Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks Discuss Jerry Jones Negotiating Tactics, Urban Meyer's Comments, College Football Returns, Rising NFL Rookies, And More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
He was told to stick it. We'll explain that in
just about a minute. But right now it's time to
say good morning everybody. Yes, it's that time. It's Fox
Sports Sunday. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy from and you
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and away we go. Let me introduce my partner, my friend,
the man who lives for football, coaches it, he writes

(00:25):
it on TV, it talks about it with me on radio.
They're one and only Bucky Brooks Buck How are you?
How is your week? Are you ready?

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I am ready. It's been a great week.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
I'm ready and it's a lot of fun. Football season
is almost here.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Well you say that it is a great week. What
made it so great? Because I like to know maybe
I could do the same thing next week for myself.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh well, now it's a great week.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
We had the end of the preseason, high school stuff,
football kicked off, we had college football over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I mean football is in full swing.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, it certainly is. I mean, you know it's here,
but really it's not here because you know, when you
have the game in Ireland it's not really here. And
then college football started yesterday Iowa State Kansas State. You know, look,
it was a great game because it came down to
the wire. It was a one point one field goal,
twenty four to twenty one. Iowa State beats up on

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Kansas State five in the last six years. They want
again yesterday Matt Campbell doing a pretty good job at
Iowa State. But you know, really and truly, the game
was good and it was riveting, but really, they could
have gotten more of a headliner to go out there
to play, like I think Notre Dame should go there
every year. Notre Dame belongs in Ireland. But again, they

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could have picked better headliners. But I guess the people
in Dublin don't even know any better. They see football,
they see college football. They're gonna go, right. And half
of those guys who are in their bag anyway, they
drinking all day long, twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
I mean, we don't want the little guys to go.
We don't want Iowa State in Kansas State. We don't
want them to have an opportunity. We just want big
mighty Notre Dame to always go. Let some of the
other guys go.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
Look, it's okay for those guys to go and get
the experience. I'm here. I hear what you're saying, but
it doesn't thrill me. You know, if I'm a real
big time football college fan in Dublin, Ireland, I don't
even know if they are not over there, if they
root for college football over there. But really and truly,
Kansas State Iowa State, it's not a headliner. Notre Dame's

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a headliner, you know what I mean, Ohio State, maybe Texas,
the big names Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Iowa State. Really, I mean,
come on, but they went because it's an event. That's
why they don't know better. I don't think they do.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
No, they do. I mean, they certainly went.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
And what was great about it when you look to
understands a lot of people from both schools, representing k
State in particular, a lot of purple in the building,
and to see what will end up being one of
the big big twelve games of the year hosted overseas
is a fairly big deal.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
So I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (03:05):
The a play was kind of slow for maybe three quarters,
then it picked up in the.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Fourth quarter, But overall, what he did it.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Signaled the beginning of the college football season, which is far.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
More exciting than just the single one game.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, tell me about this quarterback, Rock Quebec from Iowa State,
because he did pass for two touchdowns, he ran for
another touchdown, And obviously, I think the key to the
game was not so much the quarterback played, because obviously
every Johnson from Kansas State he passed for two seventy three.
I think the key to the game was Iowa State
had the ball, have possession for twelve of the fifteen

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minutes in the fourth quarter. You know, Kansas State couldn't
get the football, so they basically Iowa State sat on it,
sat on the lead.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
They won.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
They won the ball game. That was the game right there.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, I mean, really that was a game, and it
was about then making enough place in the fourth quarter.
Rock Leebec, the son of Anthony Beck, former first round
pick who spent a long time in the league as
one of the best quarterbacks that we have in the
college football game, does a great job of getting the
ball out on time, and even though he got off

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to a bit of a bumpy start, he found his way.
And I'm a Matt Campbell fan. I think he's one
of the best coaches in college football. He does the
most with the least. In last year, Iowa State one
eleven games. Coming back this year with the quarterbacks, some
of the guys, they returned the big things expected of them.
They certainly didn't disappoint, and give State credit, their defense

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played lights out.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
They just made far too many mistakes to win a game.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Though Matt Campbell has done a pretty good job over there.
But SoSE Iowa stayed right now, you know they're going
up with the big boys. I mean, they really were
always like in the middle of a pack in their conference.
And you know he was I believe he was a
Toledo am I correct, he was a Toledo he went
to and he did a real good job at Toledo
and you just got his handpicked from Iowa State. Now,

(04:54):
how did that go? I mean you would know the
in the workings to that. Did he apply for that
job at Iowa stay or they hand picked him they
saw him at Toledo, what he did in Toledo.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well, I'm sure they saw what he did in Toledo
and inquired about his interests in the job, and then
he took it over. But this is someone who has
like great legacy. Played at Mountain Union. Mountain Union was
a perennial powerhouse. I think he won three titles as
a player there, wants some more as a coach, goes
to Toledo, has a lot of success as a young coach,

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and then he rebuilds Iowa State.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
He has a blueprint and a formula that works.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
It continues to work at Iowa State, and even though
it plateaued for the Cyclones a few seasons ago, he
has found a way to get them back in the mix.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
So it's been great to watch.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
You know. I gotta believe if you're an athletic director
at a big time school, and let's face at Iowa State,
it's a big time school. They played at a big time conference,
power conference, you know, and you look around you want
to hire a coach. Certainly, these athletic threats have like
a list of coaches I guess in their file. You
know if and when when that coach was leading, or
they fire a coach. Ever it may be, you're gonna

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look at a school that basically is a difficult school
to win at, like a Toledo, and he was very
successful there, and I think that's what you're gonna do.
But it's difficult in my mind to say, well, this
guy who was at Toledo, can he get the job
done at a Biggert school. Like I was saying, why
do I say that? I remember when Notre Dame hired
Jerry foulst Out of Molar High School. You know, Jerry

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was tremendous in Mola. I mean, he built a powerhouse
at Mola High School. And when I talked to Jerry
after he left, and I think he finished his career
at a Notre Dame like with five or six games
over five hundred, he said the problem he had when
he went to Notre Dame is he couldn't delegate. You know,
he was too busy handing out towels all the time.
He said, I did everything, he said, I did everything

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in Molar and I couldn't get away from that when
I went to Notre Dame. It wasn't that he lacked
football knowledge, it was the fact that he couldn't delegate.
And that may be the key going from a school
to a bigger school.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
I mean, yeah, I mean I think a lot of
times when you take those jobs, there have to be
similar circumstances and situations. Meaning Matt Kimbell went from a
job where he was the underdog at Toledo and so
he's dealing with still you know, lack of reefle didn't
have everything that some of the major schools has, and
then he goes to another school that is like that.

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So you went from Apple to Apple. It wasn't an
Apples to Oranges type jump where he needed to get
out of his character and hey, I'm going to a
program where now where I have everything you have to
recruit a different type.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Of kid and all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I think it worked for him because the blueprint
is similar. Maybe if he goes elsewhere continues to try
and climb and aspire to like one of the blue
blood programs, maybe the formula of the recipe doesn't work there.
But I just know watching him operate at Toledo and
using the same blueprint and formula at Iowa State, it's
been very, very successful for him.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Okay, we got to move away because I'm tired of
talking about Iowa State and Kansas State because I don't
think anybody really cares unless you were in Dublin Eye yesterday.
The story of the day yesterday was basically Shudoor Sanders.
I mean, I find it almost laughable and ridiculous and
almost crazy about there's more talk about shardor Sanders than

(08:14):
the number one draft pick on the Tennessee Titans came
Ward the quarterback. I don't get it. I don't know
what happened to Shdoor. Is it because he fell in
the draft or why he fell in the draft and
what he did yesterday? Really, I mean, he made a
kind of a decent showing of himself in the first
preseason game when he was like fourteen to twenty three
for one point thirty eight against Carolina. He goes yesterday again,

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the Browns are playing the Rams, and basically he didn't
do any any favorites for himself. And honestly, I will
say this, his offensive line didn't help him out much either.
He was sacked five times. What happened to Shador Sanders
and what's going to happen to him?

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Now?

Speaker 2 (08:49):
What's the future? Because that was the story yesterday in
the NFL preseason games.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
Well, it's the story because he's box office.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's the story because every time he steps onto the field,
it's a major your boom to the ratings as a
story because he's more celebrity than player, and so there's
a lot of people that are vested and watching Shudor
Center's play, his supporters and also his haters and what happened.
He had opportunity to play with the third stringers, didn't

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play very well, had five sacks, and a lot of
those sacks were on he was responsible for, meaning he
held onto the ball too long. He did some of
the things that showed up in the college tape that
you didn't like, where he drifted and waited and drifted
and waited and ultimately took sacks. So it wasn't a
great performance for him. Was the worst performance that we've

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ever seen from Brookie quarterback. No, but for someone who
was vying for a backup job, it wasn't the kind
of performers that would have convinced Kevin Stefanski and others
that he was ready to be Joe Flacco's backup. Meanwhile,
Dylan Gabriel has an opportunity to play his second chance
of the preseason, and he led a touchdown, I ran

(10:00):
a two minute drill successfully. Flash of of the things
that made him intriguing to the Browns as a third
round pick, and in that competition on that day, Dylan
Gabriel outplayed Shooter Sanders. So look the way however you
want to score this match, Shooters Anders was terrific his debut.
Didn't play against Philly, didn played so so against the Rams,

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Dylan Gabriel bounced back and so it's a competition, and
so on this day, Dylan Gabriel was the superior player.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
And it may.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Change some of the depth chart things that Kevin Stefanski
has to deal with going forward.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Okay, should Sander's yesterday was just three or six fourteen
yards played almost a half? Okay, but when they judge
his play and they rate him, don't they see that
he played with the number three guys, the third team.
I mean, that's why he was sacked five times. I
know he held off to the ball and that was
one of his problems when he played the Colorado, but
he was sacked five times because that offensive line didn't

(11:00):
do much to help him either. Really, I mean, they
got to really take a look at that film and say,
wait a minute, I get it, he wouldn't have one
of his better games, but still, in all look who
he was playing with. I mean, I should do. I mean, man,
I still think that Dylan gave you.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean, and I can say that, but like
to a point, people don't care. They put you in
tough circumstances to see how you handle it. Can you
take a team where you're clearly the underdog and have
that unit rise above expectation? And that's what you're looking
for in those moments. You're looking to see, how does

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he handle getting beat up? What kind of resilience does
he have? What's his response to the negative plays that
may happen because he's not playing with everything.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Yeah, so there's a lot that you can take out
of that.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
And even though you would like to grade him on
a curve given the circumstances, what you're trying to see
is not necessarily the production. You're trying to evaluate the
performance because you go through all the reads as you
get to the third and fourth part of his progression,
is he patient enough to work through these things while
the pocket is chaotic? All of that stuff, So, regardless

(12:10):
of who he's playing with, there's certain things that you
want to see, and he didn't put all of those
things on display when he has the opportunity to play yesterday.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, I didn't like the idea that Kevin Stefanski and
the coach and the Browns benched him at the end
of the game. I get it he was having problems.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
I wouldn't I would I wouldn't say that he necessarily
benched him. Like in these preseason games, you have a
rotation and you have a way of going about doing
things because you want to be fair to everyone who's
literally fighting for their football lives. Some of these guys
have put countless hours in and havn't had a four
chance to play, So you want them to have the

(12:45):
opportunity to not only live out their dream, but to
fully get evaluated. With Kevin Stefanski and Shoor Sanders is hey, man,
you played, you played the third quarter, you played most
of the fourth quarter. I'm gonna give Snoop Huntley a
chance to go in, not because snow Huntley is gonna
make our team, but I owe it to him the
way that he came in, to give him a chance
to show people whether he can play or not, so

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he can put good tape out there to maybe extend
his career. So I wouldn't necessarily say it was a benching.
It's more of I'm trying to do right by the
guys doing right by us.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Okay, so Hunbley's not going to be on this squad
right now, but the rumors have it, and some published
reports say that the Browns are gonna have four quarterbacks
on their roster. So we know Flacco is going to
start an opening day. I guess Kenny Pickett's going to
be the number two guy to backup quarterback because of
his NFL experience, right, because he's played more NFL games
than Dylan Gabriel. Will should do a Sanders. So his

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picket and Flacco one two two one, whatever it may be,
then Dylan Gabriel and should do a Sander So sand
this is gonna make the ball club, right, there's gonna
have four quarterbacks on this team.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
Yeah, they have four quarterbacks until they can move one,
and Kenny Pickett is most likely of that crew to
be moved, but he's also the best bet to serve
as the backup quarterback until they can move him. The
reason why you don't really want to go into the
season with two backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
As the next man up behind.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Jo Flacco, Kenny Pikett has played and started NFL games.
He's coming off a super Bowl team, and even though
people can debate whether he can or cannot play, that
experience matters, and when you go to the backup, you
want someone who knows what he's doing, someone you can.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Trust in those things.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Because of the trust factor, Kevin Stevanski probably wants the
veteran still in the building at least for the first
few weeks of the season, because he's not quite ready
to hand the ball to one of those first year players.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
All right now. Now, if you think your door Sanders
is a story, that's why it makes the NFL so great.
It's about a soap opera. I mean, you got your
door stander, that's the big story. If that's one, then
one a's got to be Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons
right now, and obviously it's continuing, and I don't get it.
I love it. I think it's great. I think it's comical.
I think it's like pro wrestling. I really do. You

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got Michael Parsons to start pass rusher for the Dallas
Cowboys and now he's eating like a beg of Dorito's
behind the bench on the table during their last preseason game,
and you got Jerry Jones going crazy with the agent
David Mullagata over there speaking and saying that that the
the agent told to stick it with the sun don't
shine about the contract negotiations. I mean, the agent says

(15:19):
that's false. It's getting like pro wrestling. It really is.
And honestly, it's not good for anybody except guys like us.
Because we talk about that, I think we may have
some sound from the Michael Irvin podcast about the situation
between Jerry Jones, Michael Parsons and Michael Parsons agent. So
let's take a listen to this.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
We wanted to send the details to the agent the
agent soldiers asked, well, we got this resolved in my
mind for the Dallas Cowboys, all right.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
That was Jerry Jones on Michael Irving's podcast saying that
basically the agent told them to sit the contract with
a sundn't shine. Look, I don't get it. I don't
know what's happening over here, but still in all it's
not good for the game. But I will tell you
this much. You know, I'm trying to connect dots over here,
and tell me if I'm way off base, all Right,
the Cleveland brown signed Dishawn Watson for five years for

(16:13):
two hundred and thirty million dollars, which changed the entire
landscape of the National Football League. As for US signing quarterbacks,
we agree to that. I know that, however, whoever signed
DeShawn Watson was Michael Parson's agent. This guy David and Mullagetta. Okay,
I'm thinking maybe you know, I'm trying to stretch it
out here to see what's happening. I'm thinking maybe Jerry

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Jones is taking a stand for the rest of the
league and the rest of his fellow owners, saying I'm
not gonna let David Muldo Getta or whatever the hell's
name is. I'm not gonna let him do what he
did to the Cleveland Browns to me and force contracts
to go through the roof again to pass rushers. Maybe
is that a possibility? Is that why he's doing this

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to Michael Parsons because of the agent.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I mean, there's obviously some discord.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
For First, I'm gonna say we should respectfully called David
Mullagetta by his proper name and give him that respect,
because you want to be called by your proper name Secondly,
I would say Jerry Jones is wrong for what he
has tried to do in the situation. You try to
negotiate directly with the player instead of dealing with the agent.
And anytime you directly negotiating with the player, it is

(17:23):
almost like you're trying to pull a fast one because
you're more experiencing these negotiations than the player. The player
has representation for a reason. You should be having those
conversations with Michael Parson's representation. So even though you might
feel like you've worked out in agreement with Michael Parsons,
Michael Parsons is represented by an agent. He needs to

(17:43):
talk to the agent so the agent can sign off
on this situation with Jerry Jones is trying to do
what a lot of times happens in our country with
corporations and billionaires in those things.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
He's trying to squash the little person. He's trying to
squash tosent.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
He's almost trying to bust the union and the way
that players operate with an agent representing them in those things.
And so look, I applied Michael Parsons and David moulkellifer
standing strong in this situation because Jerry is wrong in
this deal with the agent to have the negotiation with
the agent or don't negotiate at all.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
But what they're.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Doing is just messing around with Michael Parsons. This has
little to do with Michael Parson's value and more to
do with what you're saying him trying to punish the
agent because the agent is going to make Jerry Jones negotiate,
and he's going to make him pay significant money, and
Jerry doesn't want to deal with.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
That, right, So I'm onto something a little bit over here,
the fact that Jerry and the agent A don't get along,
and B he wants to set the agent straight that
you're not going to back me into a corner like
you did to the Cleveland Browns with Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I mean, he could say whatever, but the deal is
going to be negotiated based on Michael Parson's market value.
So Jerry Jones can hold on that and say, hey,
I'm gonna make the agent an example.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
But there are a couple of things that matter in negotiation.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Performance and production and potential all factor in that you
can't argue Michael Parson's performance in his production. You can't
argue his potential based on what the top guys are getting.
At forty million dollars a year, he's right there with
Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt as a guy that is
a prolific past rusher that's been proven. What he's doing, Man,

(19:26):
he's just having an exercise in grandstanding. At the end
of the day, if Jerry Jones wants to do this
deal like he should want.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
To do the deal, they can get the deal done.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
I think there's more at play than just a Michael
Parters than this. He's trying to send a message, but
it's ridiculous and ultimately the reason why the Cowboys never
win Super Bowls is because they don't take care of
business away that it should be taken care of.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
I'm with you, right, Dan. I can't believe people still
call him America's team. I think the Kansas City Chiefs
are probably more of America's team than the Dallas Cowboys
right now? Was the thirty years since they want a
Division championship, thirty year since they won a Super Bowl? Really?

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I mean this team, I just think, yeah, I just
think about doing business. I think what people are to
understand is the Cowboys are a business. The Cowboys are
not running like a sports franchise, meaning Jerry Jones is
trying to pocket the most amount of money as he
can from the bottom line of the Cowboys, and so
he'll pay a handful of people, but he won't pay everybody.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Look at them.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
They don't spend at the top of the market for
their entire team.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
They're one of the.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Lowest paying franchises, but yet they're the most valued franchise
in the league.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
It's all business.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
They're not serious, which is why they don't have serious
results at the end.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
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Speaker 2 (22:23):
All Right, the coaches are really concerned. We'll tell you
why in just a couple of minutes. He's Bucky Brooks
and Andy froman in My Life on the Fox Sports
Radio studios. But let me run this by you before
we let you know that s Bucky's going to be
in about ten twelve minutes from now. This trade that
happened the other day when the Kansas City Chiefs when
they traded Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins. I was

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back in twenty twenty two. They wanted to replace him
in the draft and they drafted this kid, sky Moore
out of Western Michigan. Didn't work out, so sky Moore
was traded the other day to the forty nine ers.
We talked about this last week at the forty nine
ers decimated they need receivers and we thought that they'd
go after Odell Beckham. You know, at least I did.
I don't know if you were with me in that,

(23:05):
but I thought they would. So they trade him. So
the forty nine Ers got sky Moore. The Chiefs get
a sixth round pick, and this sky Moore really and
truly didn't turn out to do as they thought he
would do. He didn't live up to the hype. But
again I always believe that sometimes you have to look
at the pedigree. You know, the guys at Western Michigan.
I mean, I get it, it's not big time. But

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to me, if I have a choice to drafting a
kid out of Ohio State and Western Michigan, I'm going
to Ohio State. Do you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
I would say this Ron Wolf Hall of Fame executive
who led the green Beer package to the Super Bowl,
used to talk about big school guys and small school guys,
and he would prefer to go after big school guys
because if you're looking at the potential into projection, it
is easy to project someone who is playing against the

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best of the best what they're going to be in
the National Football League than someone who is not playing
against the highest level of competition in those things. No
disrespect for those guys, but he just said, for him,
he always believed in big school guys because the odds
of finding the diamond the rough don't it isn't weigh

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in your favor to do that.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
You're more likely.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
To find a guy at at an elite level playing
at a big school than you are to find someone
who overcomes it in this situation. I think it came
true with Scott Moore. Somemore is a great player Western Michigan,
terrific playmaker and all those things.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
It just didn't work out.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Doesn't mean he still can't find his way, but it
hasn't worked out to date. And for me, I tend
to opt for big school players, players that are playing
in big conferences, big games, those things, just because I
feel like it's an easier evaluation than looking at someone
that's coming from a lower level of competition.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well, we finally agree on something. I like to hear
you say that. And speaking of big conferences at big
school conferences, talk about the Southeastern Conference, the SEC, the
athletic director is there. They now have adopted a nine
game conference football schedule starting in the twenty six to
twenty seven season. They say it's going to be good
to balance the competition and preserve rivalries. How is it
going to balance the competition? Help me out with that?

(25:17):
I mean, are you in favor of this nine game
conference schedule. I understand that in the past the SEC
they would play some real good cupcakes in the middle
of the schedule, and I had no problem with that
really because they beat the heck out of each other
during the season.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
I mean, look, I don't really have a strong opinion
on it either way, but they were saying they want
to level the playing field and compete with the Big
ten in terms of like nine name schedule, not having
the cupcakes in there, because when you talk about the
playoff field, you want to be able to look and say, hey,
these resumes are similar.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Let's do the pros and cons.

Speaker 3 (25:54):
Let's make sure that everyone is kind of being asked
to do the same things within their conferences that we
can level it out and make a decision that is
it's fair and balance in those things.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
So I get it.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
It doesn't I understand why they push forward, but it
doesn't really matter to me.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
Well, it doesn't matter to me, I guess it. They're
at this, and I guess maybe it matters to the fans.
I don't know, But the ACC now is the only
power conference left with an eight game schedule. They're gonna
play nine games now you need like a slide rule
here to figure this out. So I'm gonna go real
slow here. Maybe maybe it'll finally get into my brain.
Under this new format, each team in the SEC, they're
gonna play three permanent conference opponents. Okay, I get that,

(26:37):
because those are the rivalries, I guess, and they're gonna
rotate through six others every season. Teams are gonna face
every other SEC team at least once every two years,
and every opponent at home and away every four years.
You know, really and truly, I don't know who makes
this up, but I just read that. I still can't
figure it out. I mean, I don't get it. Additionally,

(26:58):
each team is required schedule at least one power for
non conference opponent or Notre Dame every season. Do you
get that? I mean, you know, when I see the schedule,
I'll get it. But right now reading that, I'm really confused.
I am, I admit it. Well, I'm not that.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I would look. I would say.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
What they're doing is they're trying to just put some
basic permembrance in place, like, ay, pick your three rivals
that are your games that you want to play every year,
then there'll be a rotating situation, much like the National
Football League is just thinking about this as within the conference,
like having divisional games, So you got three divisional games
that you know you're always gonna see, and then it

(27:39):
rotates based on a formula that they'll create to make
sure that every SEC team is eventually seen in a
reasonable period three or four years and those things. But
when the conference is so big, you can't play everybody
every year. So this is their way of just kind
of creating a scheduling formula that allows eighties and those
things to maximize the revenue that can be built by having,

(28:03):
you know, ticket sales and those things, giving you the
markeee games that you want, while also trying to make
it fair for everybody.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Okay, let's pull back the curtain now and we talked
about the obviously what's happening, but now let's figure out why.
Let's figure this out. First of all, the coaches say
that concern because they added games increased physical demands. I mean,
come on, that's just a lot of garbage. Because the
coaches are saying that because they didn't want to play
it the tougher schedule. That's why they're saying that there's
always physical demands in football. Right, We've seen that all

(28:29):
the time, so that I don't believe any of that stuff. Right,
you agree with me there, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
I mean that is true. Like sometimes you do want
to break game. You don't want to play all heavy hitters.
You do want a game where you can breathe knowing that, Okay,
we're gonna win this game, but we want to get
some things work done. Yeah, every coach wants that.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Okay, now you've got to see to yourself. Well, let
me scratch my heads then figure out why would the
SEC want to do something like this. Well, they did
it because the last two years the Big Ten won
the national titles. Really because everybody said the SEC is
the cream of the crop of college football, and it's
a great conference. It is, But the last two years
the national championship was won by a Big Ten school,

(29:08):
So what do they do. They needed to increase their
record strength. That's why they did it. Because they want
to show I guess the committee that they're playing tougher
schools so they could get more teams perhaps in the
college football playoff period. That's why they did it.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
I mean some of that, but some of that is
yet you want to have that legitimate argument with the
Big Ten. If we're on level ground, well, then if
you're don't give the Big Ten for spots, you need
to give us four because we're the same deal. And
no matter what people say about which conference is the best,
most football people will tell you that the SEC is

(29:43):
the best conference in football and they deserve to have
more bites at the apple. Given the depth and the
talent within that conference. The Big Ten is right there
with them. If you want to say one A and
one B, those are the two power conferences. Now the
rest A and some of the others, they got to
catch up, and they have to catch up by not

(30:04):
only the CC putting that ninth game on the schedule,
but they got to show up in the non league
games to enter sectional games. They have to show up
and show out and win some of those games so
they can earn their respect.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Okay, So if you think the SEC move is nuts,
which I don't know if it is or now, I mean,
time will tell. The commissioner of the Big Ten wants
to include seven seven automatic bids for the Big Ten
and the SEC, and he wants teams maybe with seven
and five records in the conference for the college football playoffs. Okay,
so this is what he basically is saying. He wants

(30:39):
to get every eight and four Big Ten team into
the playoffs finish at eight and four, and his latest idea,
according to multiple reports, that he wants to expand the tournament.
Get this, he wants to expand the college football playoff
tournament field to as many as twenty eight teams and
include as many as seven automatic bids a piece for

(31:00):
the Big Ten and the SEC twenty eight teams. I mean,
come on, I mean I think that, well, basketball tournament's
too many now were with sixty four.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
No, But here's what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
What we're doing is we're trying to eliminate the bowls season,
right because the bold season is a dud. I understand
that ESPN and those companies make money off of Bowls,
but no one shows up and no one.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Plays their players.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
When you look at every level beneath the top level,
they all have a playoff system. Those playoffs can go
anywhere from sixteen to twenty four teams, and people tune in.
What they're basically trying to replicate is if we're going
to have playoffs like every state has playoffs in high school.
Why not have a real playoff system and that would

(31:46):
create a real playoff system where you have a real
champion based off of what happens on the grass instead.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Of the computers and all the other stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I'm actually in favor of that because I think it
has always made more sense to have a true playoff.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
Than they have the bowl games and all this other stuff.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Like, you have two different things happening at once, and
it doesn't job.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
You can't have playoffs and then bowl games. It just doesn't.
It doesn't matchup.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
It doesn't. You know, you're right, it doesn't make any sense.
I mean, there's a lot of tradition there with the
Rose Bowl and things like that, but there's somewhat meaningless
right now. And you hit it right on the head
when you said most of the big time players opt
out of those games, and I don't want to play
for fear of getting hurt and hurting them opportunities to
get drafted in the pros to the next level.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
You're right, it doesn't.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
So if you want to better, say you want to
see better games, then then go to a true playoff system.
And a true playoff system will allow you to see
some of the compelling matchups, and everyone's will talk about what.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
The first run games are going to be boring. But
each and every.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Week we see upsets in college football, So who's to
say that we won't see upsets in the playoff round.
If you have the best twenty to twenty four teams
in the tournament, I am in favor of that more
so than continue to go with the bowl games and
all this other stuff that no one is really paying
attention to.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
You always open my eyes to something when I didn't
realize that. Because when I say when they say they
won't to open up to twenty eight teams, I say
to myself, well, you got a team like Rutgers which
was seven and five, and they may go to the
college football playoffs. But then again, if you win six
plus games, you going to a bowl. So instead of
going to a bowl, you go to the college football playoff.
It makes sense now now I'm seeing the picture, and

(33:26):
you're right, it does make a lot of sense. It's
not gonna do anything at all for Ohio State or
Michigan because they're going anywhere, but it's gonna help the
lower echelons of these of these conferences. Those teams which
probably are vine to get just six wins to go
to a bowl game. But if you eliminate the bowl games,
which they didn't mention, but that's going to eventually happen,
eliminate the bowl games, then I could see it happening.

(33:47):
So you're right, you're right on with that.

Speaker 3 (33:51):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's gonna be a better
overall product, and eventually it would get to that because
as we're seeing college football make that transfer, college sports
make transformation to.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
The pro game and mimic the pro model.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
We go see more of their playoffs and those situations
look more like the pros, and some of the traditional
things like bowl games and others are gonna fall by
the wayside.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
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Speaker 2 (35:01):
So it is time for Bucky books. That means only
one thing. It's also time for ld Little Dumper. So
Little Dump are you ready?

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (35:08):
I am ready, And I got some NFL I got
an NFL question for your Bucky. So we are in
the midst of, you know, finishing off NFL preseason. You know,
finally roster cuts are coming down, all that good stuff.
It's not gonna be about rosters, but gonna be about QBS.
So a couple of days ago, we saw Jackson Dart
ball out. I mean, you know, he looked phenomenal right

(35:31):
in for the Giants. Do you think that? Do you
really think Jackson Dart will be your starter like legit
within the first three weeks of the Giants? What do
you think not the.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
First three weeks of the season, but I do believe
he'll be the starter for more games than Russell Wilson
would be. When you look at Jackson Dart in the preseason,
you get this Josh Allen vibe that Blind Daboll had
with Josh Allen in Buffalo. So it's only amount of time,
But Jackson Dart is going to be the starting quarterback
for the New York Giants this season.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Uh huh, all right, I got something for you, Bucky Brooks.
You already former Bengals speaking to quarterbacks. Former Bengals quarterback
Boomer Sison. He's in the team's Ring of honor CINCINNTI
Bengals Ring of Honor. He was invited to attend this
year's ceremony, but he was told to pay his own
way and his own hotel bill. What are your thoughts
about that?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Are you surprised? I mean, the Bengals, this is what
they do.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
They watched the bottom line. I'm not surprised, but look,
I hate it for Boomer Siason. He's a legend, and
when you are going to honor a legend, you should
roll out the red carpet. I wouldn't consider this to
be rolling out the red carpet. But I'm certainly not
surprised because this is how the Bengals have always done business.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I mean, on the you know, let me just continue
on this for just a second, on the heels of
this Trey Hendrickson situation where they're not signing him and
to announce the ring of honor and say, Boomer, we've
left to have you here, but you gotta pay your
own way and will give you a discount deal on
hotel room. I mean, come on, how I mean, don't
you think other owners in the league laugh at that

(37:08):
when they read that and hear about that.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
I don't know, man, because I think this is what
we have to understand. Some people are running sports teams
with a desire to win championships. Some people are running
their teams with have desired to make it a big business.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
The Bengals are operating this. It's the business.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
They don't have generational wealth because of independent businesses.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
They have it because of the team.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
So I'm not surprised, you know, let me just throw
something else in there. I mean to me, not only
are you kind of concerned, maybe you're not concerned. They're
concerned about your owners and your people you work with
in and around the league. But in the same city.
This year, the Cincinnati Reds baseball team honored the fiftieth

(37:52):
year of the Big Red Machine nineteen seventy five, and
they flew in all the members of the Big Red Machine,
obviously the living members. They flew them into Cincinnati to
put them up in a hotel and the Reds paid
for that. And you know, and now the Bengals are
doing this and it's not a group of players, it's
just Boom or Siasin. Really, I mean, come on to me,

(38:14):
it's just embarrassing knowing that the other team in town
is doing something similar and they're picking up the tab
and you're not that to me, it's very embarrassing to me,
I think, yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:27):
I mean, look, it can be embarrassing because look, two
different teams operating with a different premise. This Cincinnati Reds
want to be first class. That's where they're taking care
of their people. The Bengals don't. And the Bengals have
it and they don't care. This is what they do.
I mean, they've always done it, as you know former Bengals,
and they'll tell you about the Bend in the middle

(38:48):
of locker room with jocks and socks and all that.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Cowl they used to charge.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
They used to charge players for gatorade and lunch and
everything else. This is what the Bengals do. They operate
like a mom and pop shop.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Unbelievable. I'm gonna ask you a question about quarterbacks right now.
Who's gonna have a better year, Caleb Williams or Justin Fields.
I'm concerned about those two quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
M Kelly Williams seems like he's set up for success
with Ben Johnson coming over. They're following the blueprint that
helped Jerry Goff kind of bounce back.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Him just because of the play calling from Ben Johnson.
But I think Justin Fields will have a good year
in his own right though. I think it would be
more the run game and what he does to enhance
the Jets run game more so than what he does
as a passer.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
Aaron Rodgers came out the other day he said he
made running back again next year. What do you think
about that?

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
I think there's a love affair between Mike Tomlin and
Aaron Rodgers. Moreover, I think there's a love affair with
all of these veterans that have come on board. Jalen Ramsey,
Aaron Rodgers, DK Metcalf. There's a new vibe and energy
in that locker room, and when you're a part of that,
you want to stay connected to that. So I'm not
surprised to hear Aaron Rodgers say that.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
All right, you know, speaking of Pittsburgh Steelers, let me
run this by I mean, obviously there's somewhat under the
radar and a lot of questions with that ball club
right now. How far can they go? Are they a
playoff team?

Speaker 1 (40:12):
They're more than a playoff team.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
I think they can be a sneaky title contender if
they played this right with Aaron Rodgers, Yeah, they can win. Look,
they can win big in the AFC North, but they
also can give people problems throughout the AFC. I think
this is one of the better teams in football.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Wow, all right, give me some NFL coaches already before
the season starts on the hot seat.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Down in Miami, Mike mean Daniels on the hot seat.
There's a lot of pressure on him to get this right.
The locker room was fractured last year. They made some changes,
but we'll see if those changes materialize in wins. He
is number one on the hogh seat.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Did just a lot of unhappy campers around the city.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
There we go. He's Bucket Brooks. I'm in DEFERMANI. By
the way, he doesn't do too much talking, but he
landed a bomb with this, that and more on Fox
All right, round one goes to the coach that's right
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Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm ay firm, mean,
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(41:15):
Radio studios and the way we go. He's my partner.
He's a football mavin. His name is Bucky Brooks. Bucky.
Here we go. Football is here, it's here. How has
it changed your life that the football season? Does it
mean that you're more involved with a TV set watching games?
What does it do to you the football season?

Speaker 3 (41:35):
I mean, I'm I'm always kind of busy, it's a
different kind of busy. So for me, now that football
season is here, it means a weekly obligation of that
commitments to.

Speaker 1 (41:43):
The Jacksonville Jaguars.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
I do the radio broadcast now that we're transitioning to
the regular season, I'll be on the sideline as opposed
to being in the booth touring the preseason. During the
regular week, all the stuff for NFL Network, NFL podcasts,
Buddha sticks with Daniel Jeremiah that I'll right for NFL
dot Com and also Fox Sports Digital.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
I think we should probably pump that more Fox Sports
since the connection, and then some various odds and ends
where we just talk about ball. So it's all ball
all the time over here.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
You know, I'm going to do that. I always pumped
the NFL dot Com store. I just starts doing the
Fox Sports. I still I will do that. I promise
you I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
You know.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Let's talk a little bit with the college game. Obviously,
yesday we have Iowa State beating Kansas State five at
the less six times, twenty four to twenty one. I
think that score was and obviously Iowa State control of
the football twelve minutes in the fourth quarter. That basically
was the game right there. But I watched a little
bit of the Stanford Hawaii game yesterday, which is on
Eastern time, like seven thirty Eastern time, which is probably

(42:43):
about one thirty in the afternoon in Honolulu. How bad
is it for Stanford to lose to Hawaii? Hi, Hawaii
is not normally a football power. They produce some top
quarterbacks in the NFL, but they're not really a football power.
How bad is that loss for Stanford? Right now? Frank
W Reich basically coaching answers an interim coach for Stanford

(43:04):
right now.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I mean, I don't know how bad it is, Like
the first week can be kind of hairy.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
I'll say this because the buddy minds the defensive coordinator
for White Dennis Thurman. Dennis Thrman, who not only played
for the Cowboys and the Super Bowl champion, but spend
time at USC where he was a national champion way
back under John mckay'na. He's gonna make it difficult and
he made it difficult for Stanford, and a Stanford is
finding their way under Frank Wright, you're gonna have some

(43:30):
hiccups and some bumps in the road and those things.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
So I wouldn't say it's a terrible loss.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
It's not one that you want if you're Stanford because
you want to feel like you always can dominate teams.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
Uh. From a lower conference. But they're rebuilding program.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
They're they're a program that's in the middle of a transition,
so sometimes these things happen.

Speaker 2 (43:49):
You know, I'm really glad you have a buddy over
there at University of Hawaii on the football staff. Now
I could get into some uh some behind the curtain situation.
So recruiting over the years, I mean, everything has to
be recruited on the mainland. How expensive is that? How
tough is it for them to recruit players? I mean
I always wondered about that. I mean, there's only a
certain amount of players on the island that play for

(44:12):
the University of Hawaii, So you got to go at
least to California, maybe further to get players.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
West coasted and do those things, because it's like a
five hour journey to the island if you're going too
the University of Way. But they get most of the
guys from the West coast, and if you think about
some of the things like the culture and those things,
like it's easier to get people to AWII. They also
play on the mainland a few different times of years,
so your parents and stuff can see you. They got

(44:41):
a cute little stadium on campus there are some benefits,
but I think you have to be one who is
willing to sample that island life. That's a little different
than how we have it on the mainland domestically here.
But the people that I've known to go over there,
I've certainly enjoyed their experience.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
All right, now we talk about college football, we talk
about the pros. Right now, you played both. What exactly
is the difference between the pro game and the college
game and all aspects the preparation, the learning, I aspect.
I mean, I know the pro game is a business,
so you're on twenty four to seven. They give you
the playbook, you gotta study it. But what really are
some of the major differences between the pro game and

(45:21):
the college game.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
I would say time on tasks, expectations, the things that
you have to do on the daily basis that are
voluntarily mandatory compared to, oh, I love it, it's a hobby,
maybe I will, maybe I want. That's the differences when
it comes to the pros and the pros. There's a
standard and the expectation of your ability to complete certain tasks,

(45:47):
your ability to play at a certain level. Because you
are a pro the college game, you have some of that,
but it's changed.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
But I will say.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Since money has started flowing into the hands of the
players at the collegiate level, some of those expectations and
some of those pro standards had become more commonplace. So
there's not a lot of difference. But I still will
say the level of competition at the pro level is
so much superior to what you see on the collegiate level.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, they Boston Globe asked your former school, the coach there,
Bill Belichick, what the difference was, and it was great
because he says, there's no owner, there's no owner's son,
there's no cap and everything that goes with the marketing
and everything else, which I'm all for that, but it's
way less of what it was at that level of

(46:40):
generic NFL teams. You have the owner of the president,
the general manager, personnel director, college director, pro director, CAF guy,
some other consultant, the head coach. He said, I'd say
that we had our best years in New England when
we had fewer people and more of a direct vision,
and as that expanded, it became harder to be successful.
Bill Belichick took the first salvo, took the first shot

(47:04):
at its former owner of the of the of the
New England Patriots. I thought it was great that how
he doesn't talk much, so it's great that Belichick came
out there, just took a big roundhouse to the New
England Patriots right there.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
So here's what I think he's saying.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
And it is as a shot certainly at the Patriots,
but I think this is true in all forms of
team building. The more voices, Okay, I guess the best
way people talk about it hy too many cooks in
the kitchen, right, So you have too many people in
leadership positions who want to have us say. And when
you have too many people, you can't get anything done

(47:42):
because everyone wants to be right. When you have a
streamline process where everyone knows this is the person that
is at the top, everyone needs to follow. Division fewer
people leads to less division and more unity, and that
helps you here to the plan, as opposed to everyone

(48:02):
sneaking off in those dark corners whispering well, if I
was in charge, we should be doing this or d.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
It just disrupts the flow.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
And finally, I'll say this, the Patriots had so much
success on the Bill Belichick that the issue became less
about their planning their process and more about who felt
like they deserve the credit for the success. And when
ego gets involved, it disrupts your program. And in New England,
the owner, the owner's son, and everyone around the program

(48:33):
wanted to have certain credit given to them for the Patriots' success,
as opposed to man, let's just win games and not
worry about who gets the credit. As long as we're winning,
collecting rings, we all get credit as one of the
best teams in history. Why not continue to operate like that?
But people's ego can't. They just can't keep it in check.

(48:55):
And that's what happened with the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
No doubt about that. We see that in Dallas too,
Jerry Jones, No doubt about that with the ego. But
I asked you the question about Bill Belichick, and I
know I'm not going to ask you how many wins
he's going to have, because I don't think anybody can
predict that, But how successful can he be on the
college level? And the college kids, can they or will
they relate to his coaching tactics? So far, so good,

(49:21):
I would think we haven't heard any explosions yet. Can
they relate to what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yes, they can relate. Have him been there twice.

Speaker 3 (49:29):
I went there in the spring and watch him in springball,
and then I was invited to go back to be
around the football program doing an n official visit weekend,
and I would tell you I was blown away one
by his energy and enthusiasm around the kids eighteen to
twenty two, how bought in he was in the recruiting process.

(49:50):
Then in talking to people around the program, guys that
I know, guys that I played with, they talk about it,
just talked about like man, just how they're about their work.
But the kids have embraced the work and how important
it is that they're getting the right kind of kids.
So when you tell me how successful will it be,
I have no doubt that he's going to have success.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Now that success might not match what he did at
the pro level.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
But they're gonna win games because he understands how to
win games at every level. They're working hard, they're buying in,
and they will see a level of success. I would
think eight wins this year in the debut season would
be a success for the program. But I expect bigger
and better things down the line. As he begins to
settle in and really implement his program.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
All right, TCUs the opener next Monday, September first, So
that's a big and I very pleased to read some
quotes from the former coach. Mack Brown said that Bill
Belichick will have success with everything the school has given
him to work with, which I thought was great. There's
no envy, there's no jealousy, there's no meanness over there,
because I remember when Mac Brown left, one of the

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comments was that he might be too old to coach
at North Carolina, but too old to coach young kids
in college football. And they hire Belichick, who I believe
is even older than Matt Brown.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
He is older than coach Brown.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
I would say the way that this kind of took place,
Coach Brown is being for real when he says that
he set up for success. They made a bigger commitment
to football for Belichick than they did for coach Brown.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
And I'll say this, I love coach Brown.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
They didn't give him the same kind of stuff that
they've given Belichick in terms of run of the land,
the amount of money that they committed to the program.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
In those things.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Now, I will say that coach Belichick runs a harder
edge program maybe a little more cutthroat, maybe a little
more blue collar in terms of the work in those things.
But both guys are Hall of famers, or assume to
be Hall of famers. Coach Brown is a college football
Hall of Famer. Bill Belichick will be a pro football
Hall of Famer based on what he's done.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
They're just doing it differently.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
But yeah, the university made a stronger commitment to the
football team monetarily and with rec horses, then they may
be coach Brown, which is why Belichick will have success.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Okay, now we talk about the transition pro college college pro,
wherever it may be player a coach. I don't think
it's that easy, and I think there's gonna be a
tough road to hoe for Coach Belichick. And when I
say that because I look at some of the other
coaches who had a lot of success on one level
and kind of fill on their face on the other level.
Look at Urban Meyer, tremendous success in Ohio State. What

(52:25):
happened to Tampa? I mean he just forgetting jack Jackson.
I'm sorry who got him in Jacksonvine? What happened to
him there? He just fell on his face.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, he fell on his face because he wasn't prepared
and didn't fully know the pro game. Like there's stories
everyone can read about it. He didn't know the pro game.
He is a great program builder on the collegiate level,
but the collegiate level is different than the pros, and
the collegiate level, if I have better players, I'm gonna
win more games. He was a great recruiter and he
had better players than his opponents, so he was going

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to win games just based on that. The pros about
coaching and tactics.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
All the teams have talent.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
You have to be able to win in the margins,
and the margins typically are schematically and from a culture standpoint.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Meaning everyone buys in.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
Even though this is a pro game and his business,
they still kind of have a familial feel to it.
It feels like a family. But yeah, Urban didn't do that.
He didn't buy into that part of it. That's why
I didn't work for him.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
Okay, what about Nick Saban failed with the Miami Dolphins
and look what he did. One of the college football
coaches ever.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
Really well, Yeah, like Nick Saban, and I wouldn't even
call it fail because I think they had a winter
season one year then it wasn't great the second year,
but I mean it came down to the quarterback. He
wanted Drew Brees. They had Drew Brees in the building.
They were gonna sign him as a free agent, the
Miami Dolphins doctors next it, he signs Dante Culpepper. And
this league, the National Football League, if you don't have
a quarterback, you don't have a chance.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
That's where you're hurt.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
But there's no doubt when you talk to people down there,
he was going to have success because he's a great coach.
The one thing that I know about great coaches, great
coaches can figure it out collegiate level, pro level. The
game part of it doesn't change much. It's the rules
of engagement around the game that changes from collegiate to pro.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, And what about Jim Harbaugh to me, is the
exception to the rule in a sense had success on
the college level, and is it Jim at his success,
He's going to have success now in the pros? He
will and he did.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
I mean, this is what he does like he understands it.
The blueprint and some of the hokey pokey stuff that.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
They do in the locker rooms wherever he's been it works.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
He has a great mind, not only from a schematic
and tactical standpoint, but he just has a great feel
for building a team and all of the different factors
that you have to have in place to build a team.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
He does that. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
I think you could throw Jim Harbought anywhere and he
will find a way to be successful at any level,
high school.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
College, pro, whatever it is. Wherever you put him. He's
a winner. He's a coach.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah, And I think there are some coaches that it's
like the p the principle, Like you could be a
tremendous teacher, but they make you a principal. You know,
you may fail, but you're better off in the classroom
than leading other teachers. And I'm looking at some of
these coaches. I mean, Bill O'Brien, good coordinator, didn't really
hack it as a head coach, right.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I mean different though, but like there has to be
a connection. Though to me, it just doesn't seem like
he necessarily connects with people. So you can be the
greatest exes and oh guy on the planet, but it's
still a relationship a people business, and you got to
have the right people in place to get the business done.

(55:46):
So look, he's been successful. He took over a tough
situation in Penn State and kind of stabilized it. Has
success in Houston, not based on the record because people
say he's right around five hundred as a coach, but look,
he got them to the playoffs three or four times,
and I expect that you have success at Boston College.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
It's just not a lovey dovey, feel good type program.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Steve Spurry didn't do much with the Washington Redskins when
he came to the NFL, So I mean, really and truly,
the track record doesn't look that good. I mean, it's
just tough. Lou Holtz, I mean with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Yeah, So I think maybe the difference, I don't know,
like some of it is going from up to down
or down to up, meaning going from the college game
to the program is completely different. Remember going back to
the original cold you're talking about, Belichick talked about all
the different people, all the different cooks in the kitchen

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when you go to the pros where if you come
from the collegiate game, where you've been to the executive
chef and no one else operates in the kitchen but
you to now you go to the Pro game and
it's different.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
That's a bit of a learning curve.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
I think it has actually been easier for guys to
drop down a level and have success.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Think about Pete.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Carroll, a couple of failures first at the Pro Game,
goes to sc tremendous amount of success the Empire of
leads that back into success in Seattle. You know, there
have been others who have dropped down and have had
some success doing that. But a lot of it depends
on man the players. You still gotta have players to
do it.

Speaker 9 (57:23):
Like.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
It still takes players to win, but it is a
relationship business at every level if you're gonna win.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Okay, see, guys, I'm looking at some coaches now. Bobby
Paccino went to Louisville, then he went to the Atlanta Falcons.
Didn't do much there, but I will tell you this much,
Tom Coughlin, I think he succeeded. I look, I think
it's sometimes it's the personality. This guy is a tough
son of a gun. He left Boston College and became
the coach with the first coach of the Jacksonville Jaguars,
and he led him to the AFC Championship. So I

(57:49):
think that he had some success at both levels. But
he's that kind of a guy. I mean, I think, well,
I don't know Tom Cofflin. I wouldn't know him if
I was in a room.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Yeah, I played for him, I was on those Yeah,
but I was on those Jaguars.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Personality, like, you know, I'm not gonna lose, right, He's
one of those gritty, old old school kind of guys.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yeah, I mean, he's definitely old school. He's a disciplinarian.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
He had a lot of rules, a lot of rules
that you had to hear too. Some of those rules
made sense, some of them didn't. I did have to
make an apology to him a long time ago because
I played there and I Bristol did those rules. I
didn't understand why we all had to wear the same
shorts and socks and college shirt on the road and
those things. But then as I finished playing and as
I started coaching high school, I told him, I now

(58:32):
understand why you did what you did with us, and
it does make a lot sense now. And look he
did it like he is a tough minded He's gonna
build a tough, physical, old school throwback team.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
And you can win a lot of games with that
mentality and that grit.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
It's amazing. I mean, I just think that what you said,
going from NFL to college might be an easier way
to go. And really and truly most of the guys
go from college to the NFL, and maybe that's why
they're having a hard time. I think going to NFL
to college, I think really could be a little easier.

(59:11):
It could be an easier move.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yeah, it could be.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Doesn't guarantee anything, but yeah, it could be. Because one
the over warming majority of collegiate players want to go pro,
so they're more likely to buy in and listen to
what you're saying when you tell them, hey, this is
what you're gonna be asked to do when you're a pro,
and so they'll kind of heed that advice. They'll listen
to you. They'll buy in and do those things. When

(59:36):
you're going up in ranks, it's hard for a pro player,
particularly one who's been in for a long time, to
look at a collegiate coach the same and so you
have to connect with them differently. Matt Ruhl had a
tough time with that, and he's one of the best
coaches in college football. We're seeing what he's done throughout
his time and what he's about to do at Nebraska.
But at Carolina it didn't work because the credibility, you know,

(59:59):
is the lack of understanding, like, hey man, what do
you ask me to do? How is this gonna pay
off for me down the line? There is more of.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
A credibility issue for a collegiate coach coming up than
for an NFL coach going down. Interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
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We'll explain it all next. Perhaps it's all about jealousy.
That's right around the corner. He is, Bucket Brooks. I'm
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about twelve minutes from now. But right now, you are
an amazing individual, Bucket Brooks. You really are, because you know,
I did not go to the Fox website this time,

(01:01:18):
at NFL dot com this week, and you're talking about
the Heisman Trophy a little early, of course, but you
know you got to jump on everybody else and you
got the top eight possibilities and sixty the eight quarterbacks.
And I'm telling you right now, I don't think a
quarterback's gonna win this year. I think Jeremiah Smith, the
wide receiver at Ohio State's gonna win the Heisman. That's

(01:01:39):
my take right now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:41):
I mean, jeremih Smith is the best player in college football,
but the Heisman Trophy award typically goes to a quarterback,
the quarterback of the best team with the best stats,
and so he has an uphill climb to overtake whomever
that is because some of the guys that we're talking about,
a top of the list k Klutnick Arch Manning, they're

(01:02:04):
gonna have an opportunity to one be seen on prime
time to the lead teams there on title chases, and
they're gonna put up terrific stats. It's gonna be hard
to do that because the name cachet, the brand uh
equity that has already exists.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
When it comes to the quarterback. Man, it's just it's
just hard. It's hard to deal with it. So I
agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Big decisions hard. Yeah, it's not fair. But a big
decision is gonna be made probably when Ohio State plays
Texas next week, because those two guys will be meeting,
because Arch Meeting is gonna be meeting Ohio State. I
want to see what happened. And you know what, I'm
a little sick and tired of the Manning name out there.
I have no disregard for them. I respect them, but
it's like ridiculous right now because Eli Manning will probably

(01:02:46):
get into the Hall of Fame, obviously he won two
Super Bowls, but the name Manning is really gonna shoe
him in through the doors. There's no doubt about that.
And Arch Manning really didn't do squat last year in
college football, and he's ranked number one as possible getting
the Heisman this year. What has he done? But as
you say the cachet, the name is the name that's
getting us done. Is it fair?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
But just just the way it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
That is just the way it is, and you can't
be upset about it because here's what I do know.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
Look, whenever you say Manning and you put that in Google,
it's at the top of the list when it comes
to SEO search engine optimization. So this is what it's
going to be. And people going to talk about Arch Manning.
He's been anointed as the guy, but he also is talented.
He's a different style quarterback than his uncles, but he
certainly is talented. And we are way ahead of the curve.

(01:03:40):
We're jumping the gun significantly, like, way early. But that's
what we do because its sales. The name sales. It's
a great story, and we're in the business selling stories,
which is why he's one of the tops already when
it comes to the Heisman Trophy race.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Which is ridiculous. As you mentioned in your preview, he's
only had ninety five college past attempts and he's number
one now listed as a possibility to win the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I mean, this is I mean, this is how it goes.
I mean, it's as crazy as crazy as it is
that that is definitely how it goes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:14):
And there are a lot of people that are willing
to say that he is going to be the next
one to get it done at a high level.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
Do you think he's going to win it? I mean,
you put there as far as the potential, but do
you think he'll be winning. I hope he does it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
I mean I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
I mean, like I'm a little selfish for someone who's
daughter at University Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I hope that they win it so she can have
a great experience. But I don't know. I mean they're good,
they're loaded. They have everything that you want.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
I mean, runners, pass catchers, a quarterback, defense galore, coach
who knows the blueprint and the formula.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
I mean, they are a juggernaut and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:51):
They're going to continue to be really, really good in
the Arch Manning era, which is why look this is
he's probably not gonna be one and done. He's probably
has two more years at Texas, and if he has
two years, I would anticipate them being able to get
it done during that time frame.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Yeah, and I tell you what, if i'm him or
on one of his handlers, or his relative, is his grandpa,
his uncle, whatever it may be, they need to tell
him to stay in school because if we know anything
at all about quarterbacks going from college to the pros,
you better get some reps in college to be somewhat
successful in the pros. Take a look at Anthony Richardson,
young kid but still in OL. Never had that many

(01:05:28):
reps in the college ranks, and that's why he's having
some difficulty in the pro ranks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
No, that's not why he's having difficulty. He never dominated
the collegiate game like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
So people are talking about the lack of experience in
those things. But I would say, what was Anthony Richardson's
signature game? When did he ever dominate consistently over a two, three, four,
five game period where you felt like he was the
best player on the field. He had a great game
one year against Utah, great game, but he never matched that. Again,

(01:05:59):
the draft is about like trying to take players who
not only have these traits that kind of tantalize you
about their potential, but they also have to have production
and performance to validate while you're taking them.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
Anthony Richardson didn't have that. Hopefully for arch Manning.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
He gives you some of those moments where you feel
good about a not only is the potential there, but
he has a track record of production that's likely going
to lead to success down the line.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
But we have seen quarterbacks that have not had a
lot of college experience not really have a great pro
career well, have a difficult time adapting to the pros.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Yes, and I mean that is one true because the
more you play, the more you learn. And when you
play significant amount of snaps at the collegiate level, you
learn a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
The guys that are.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Having instant success as rookies at quarterback they played a
lot Bo Knicks, jayde and Daniels both head over. I
know Bo Nicks had sixty four starts. I think Jay
Daniels might have had fifty five close to sixty starts.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
That's a lot of time on tasks as.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
A leader, and every time you play you learn more
because give every rep matters so yeah, I think you
have to look for guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Who have significant experience.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
That also maybe why his granddad, arch Manning Archie was saying, yeah,
he may hang around a little bit because they know
they see it and there's not necessarily a rush to
get him to the league.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
Exactly right now. We talked about the college game and
coaches jumping from college to pros and vice versa, from
the pros bat to college at Bill Belichick, and we
also mentioned Urban Mayer, and believe it or not, he's
back in the news again now. We talked about the
so called quote punishment the University of Michigan football team,
and they're filma coach Jim Halbrock from the NCAA following

(01:07:48):
their sign stealing during their twenty twenty three national championship
season twenty million dollars and basically everybody who was involved
with that really and truly is no longer they're in Michigan. Okay, Well,
Urban Meyer feels that Jim Harbaugh should be punished by
the NFL. Why in the hell is Urban Meyer concerned

(01:08:08):
about Jim Harbaugh unless he's jealous and he's upset it
just has a personal vendetta against Jim Harbaugh. Why is
he concerned? Why is he sticking his nose in this business?
I like to know.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Ah. I mean, look, this is what commentators do, this
is what Urban does, particularly when it relates to Harbaugh.
He loves poking the bear a little bit, so he's
gonna poke the bear. He's gonna do it whenever he
has an opportunity and do those things. It has nothing
to do The collegiate game and the pro game are
like completely separate and there's nothing, hopefully that Roger Goodell

(01:08:44):
does the impact Jim Harbaugh anything. Whatever took place at
Michigan took place at Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
You leave that there.

Speaker 3 (01:08:50):
He got a show cause penalty in those things. But
in the NFL, nah, I shouldn't have any consequence.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Let's take a listen to Urban Meyer on the Triple
Option podcast what he had to say.

Speaker 9 (01:09:03):
There's an elephant in the room here, boys, though that
no one's talking about. When Jim Trussell was fired at
Ohio State and he was given a suspension, Roger Goodell,
commissioner of the National Football League, came out and said that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:15):
We're going to honor that violate.

Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
They were going to honor that suspension, and remember he
went to Indianapolis Colts to work in the replay room
or something. The Colts because the respect they had for
the NCAA and the suspension. Do you realize suspended Jim
Trussell so he was unable to perform his duties for
the first six games of the year for the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
I think we all know the answer.

Speaker 9 (01:09:41):
Yeah, any chance that Roger Goodell and the NFL, of
course not.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Look, I would say this that that's from the Jim
Trussell for the overmya Triple Option podcast. But Maya, he's
got a little bit of a point here. If Goodell
was going to punish Trestle for infractions that were committed
to college, why won't he do the same thing with
Jim Harbaugh. But again I would say urban, Maya, Urban,
stay in your lane. Really, this has nothing to do
with you. Get out of it. I still think it's personal.

(01:10:08):
I think it's jealousy. But you did go seven and
zero against Michigan when Harbor was there during the time
of Ohio State, so you know, maybe it wasn't that personal,
but it certainly comes out that way that it's personal,
and it doesn't look good for urban Meyer. You know,
it looks worse for urban Meyer than for Jim Harbaugh
when you think about it. You know, Harbor is the
greatest because he hasn't said boo. He hasn't said a

(01:10:31):
word when the when the penalty came down last week.
I guess he was asked by some media people you
couldn't find or hear a word from Jim Harbaugh, which
is the smartest thing in the world. Didn't say a word.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
I mean, what can't he say anyway? You know, like
there's nothing really that can be said. I think you
have to just be careful of waiting in those waters.
And I understand why urban Meyer would do that because
he does have a point. Jim Trussell did serve a
suspension and when all that stuff went down with Terrell
prior and tattoos and and permissible benefits in those things.

(01:11:05):
But I think the league is different now. I don't
think Roger Goodeal wants to necessarily do that because you
know what it does. It tarnishes the brand. And the
NFL of late has done a lot of things to
make sure that the brand is look unblemished, not tarnished
or whatever, and so if you do that, all you

(01:11:26):
do is bring negative attention. The league is not trying
to bring negative attention on its own. So yeah, I
don't think we'll see your suspension or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Well, I will say this, I think you'll agree that
the sign stealing scandal that took place at Michigan was
a greater infraction than the one that costumed trussell Is
job at Ohio State, when the guys were basically just
trying to get some money and getting tattoos remember that deal,
and selling jerseys, you know, for their own personal gain.
I mean, it was nothing to do with changing game opportunities. Really,

(01:11:59):
I think this was a worse situation than it was
that couse Jim Trussell's job. And I love Jim Trussell.
I thought he was a true gentleman. I thought he
did a great job.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Uh, he did do a terrific job.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
You know, he did a terrific job of making all
the things like happen whatever. I mean, it's different, it's conversation,
but really a.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Lot of this is like we've already done this, right,
We've already gone through this. I don't know why we
keep bringing it up or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
They this has already been decided in legislative, so I mean,
hopefully there's a resolution, but you know, Michigan is keeping
it alive because they decided to follow an appeal.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
So it just never ever goes away.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Well, you know what how to do or get involved
with Urban Maya, you know what had had something to
do with him, and it did because the NCUBA, when
they punished Ohio State, had had a very big impact
on Urban Maya because Urba Maya took over the Ohio
State program in the fall I believe twenty eleven when
Jim Trustll was gone and because of the trustle in

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fractions that took place before Urban took over, Ohio State
did lose nine scholarships and they were not allowed to
play in a bowl or a championship game during the
first year when Urban Meyer took over. So that's the
deal right there. You had to see some sort of
a connection between Urban Meyer and Jim and the Urban

(01:13:22):
Meyers taking over Ohio State and what happened in Michigan
with with with Harbor. That that was the deal right there.
So there was some envy, there was some jealousy, and look,
I don't think there's any love loss between urban Meyer
and Jim Tressel and may mean Jim Harbor. I'm sorry,
I'm sure of that, right, I'm sure there's some animosity
over there between the two.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
I mean, there's always gonna be something, right, Like, there's
something that rivalry.

Speaker 3 (01:13:48):
You know, Ohio State Michigan. I mean, you're they're in
the great state of Ohio. You see how they they
get down and how they don't like each other within
their state. Yeah, like, so look, I get it, understand it.
Uh is just you know, it's just weird that that's
gonna be the heal that he wants to die on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
But so be it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Well, and because of that, if you remember urban Meyer's
first year at Ohio State, he went twelve to zero,
but they weren't allowed to com to compete for a
Big ten title or a national title. So I mean
that that was the whole thing right there. So it
still burns him. It still burns Urban So sorry, Urban,
just as the way it is, that's still suay. It

(01:14:27):
is live with it, and it just makes him look petty.
That's what it does. It really does.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
I mean, yeah, I mean that's what it is. But
that's that's part of the robbery. That's all of it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
It's so many things baked into Why urban would have
jump in want to jump into this conversation, no.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Doubt about that. Really, Okay, Now, be sure to subscribe
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Now he's bucking Brooks on Andy Firm when we are
Fox Sports Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. Really, it's really easy.
It's pretty easy. Two choices yay or nay, and then
next yeay your nay coming right up. It's about twelve
minutes before the top of the hour. He's bucking Brooks
and Andy Firm when we're live from the Fox Bots
Radio studios, and it is that time. So, uh, are

(01:15:26):
you ready a little dumper? Let's do it. Let's okay,
let's figure rack those brains, gentlemen.

Speaker 6 (01:15:32):
These stories need an ass.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I think we need a ruling on this.

Speaker 6 (01:15:35):
It's yay or nay.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Yes, it is a little dumper. Let it go.

Speaker 8 (01:15:41):
All right, Well, let's hear it for the yas, let's
hear it for the nays. Everybody, it's time to play
yeay r nay. And you know what, guys, I say,
I've got a good one. And maybe this is a
yay or maybe it's a nay. Well, so the Cleveland
Browns have finally finally established Joe Flacco as they're starting
quarter That's not the important part of this yeay or nay?

(01:16:03):
The important part is is Dylan Gabriel Should he yay
or nay on this? Should he be the second string
backup quarterback over should Dor Sanders? Is this like yay
or nay on this?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Andy Furman, Well, there's a question of should he or
what do I want him to be? Okay? Should he?
Probably he should, I think after the performance of should
Door yesterday. But he didn't get much help on the
offensive line, so I'm gonna say yay. But the good
news is that Joe Flattel is getting ready to collect
Social Security, so he meant at last the whole season.

(01:16:37):
So should do is gonna move up on that chart?

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
I would think draft position will make it where Dylan
Gabriel will get first by Today Apples. If you like,
cross out both games and say that it was a
push between Gabriel and Sanders. Gabriel gets to not because
he was the third round pick and Sanders is the
fifth round.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
All right, all right, well we got coming up next.

Speaker 8 (01:16:58):
We got local affiliates are losing money and losing money
named could potentially shut down. According to a report in
Barret Sports Media, could the NFL be home to Netflix,
Prime Video, Peacock and even Paramount instead of you know,
the Fox Sports Is, the CBS Sports is and a
NBC Sports Is or the like yeah or nay on this,

(01:17:20):
Bucky Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
I will say not either, or I would say yay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
It will be home to those guys, but they won't
lose the local markets as well, Netflix, Amazon, YouTube. They
all would get a bite at the apple. But the
league is never going to do away with the local markets.
The more people that can see football, the more money
goes to the NFL, and the league is never gonna
turn down.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Minds.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
I'm gonna say nay. I just don't think that the
NFL could afford to turn it around and like lose
free over the year of football for the fans, because
that would turn them off. That would kill the goose
that laid the golden egg. I think there's gonna be
more and more games that'll be streamed. There's no doubt
about that. You cannot get every game stream because, like
Bucky says, you gotta have people seeing the games, and

(01:18:05):
people are gonna refuse to pay for those games. And
I'm going to be one of them. How's that all right?

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
Well, I'm with it, speaking of a golden Eggyandy. Back
to college football. SEC is expanding games to a nine
conference games next season, and the Big Ten is looking
at a twenty four twenty eight team playoff format. Yeah
your nay, Andy.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
You know what, Initially when I read this and heard you,
I said nay. But if they're talking to Bucky Brooks,
he slapped me around pretty good, but he showed me
the real He showed me the way. He always shows
me the way. And if they're going to eliminate bowl games,
I kind of like this tournament. I kind of like
the twenty eight game deal, twenty four to twenty eight teams.
I like that. Eliminate the bulls. They never said that,

(01:18:50):
but that's basically what they're going to do. Eliminate the
bulls and do a large tournament for everybody to get
in there.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
So I say, yay, Yeah, I'm all about it. A man,
bigger tournament. The more teams that are playing, the better
the competition is. I like a true champion, and true
champions are one on the grid iron and so at
every state we have high school playoffs where you have
sixteen to thirty two teams.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Why not do it in the collegiate game. Yeah, I'm
with this. I think they should expand it and eliminate
the bolls.

Speaker 8 (01:19:20):
Well, speaking of a true champion, guys, Nick Saban has
been rumored to return to college football coaching. Yeah or
nay on this, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Yeah, And I think the school to keep an eye
on would be LSU.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
Brian Kelly doesn't appear to be a great match for
the Bayu Bengals, and look, if the money is significant enough,
I think there may be a way to lure Nick
Saban out of retirement. I know he loves TV, but
also know he loves coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
I say, Nate, there's no way. At God's Green Earth.
He's comfortable, he likes it, he wants to go out.
He's a legend at Alabama. I don't think he's going
to do it. Why would he want to do? Go fishing,
Go fishing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Nick really coaches coach coaches, coach well, speaking.

Speaker 8 (01:20:05):
Of fishing, guys, maybe not in this way, but hey,
we're fishing for a challenge. The nine to nine to
nine challenge in baseball game?

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Now, what is that?

Speaker 8 (01:20:13):
Eating nine hot dogs, drinking nine beers in a course
of nine innings? Yeay r nay on the zandy Nay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
It's disgusting. That's why everybody in this country is so
freaking fat. Really, it's disgusting. I'm not a little dumper.
You might do that. I'm not doing that no way.

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
What I mean, I don't like I don't like beer,
but the hot dogs and stuff would intrigue me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
I mean, you got nine innings to get them done.

Speaker 3 (01:20:39):
I mean there are times I've gone I've gone to
a game and I've had three hot dogs before we've
gotten even into the things.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
So I could I could see.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
It if I knew that I was going there with
the full sole purpose of doing the nine nine nine,
I'll do it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
Oh my what all right? By the way, one quarterback
could be changing uniforms, but where that right here on
Fox coming up next? Why was this the curtain raiser
that's coming right out? Good morning, everybody. This is Fox
Sports Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I
may deferminive. We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios,

(01:21:15):
and Buck, we're rocking and rolling right now because it's
our number three. We've took football. It's right around the corner.
We've touched on it. And one of the games they
touched on yesterday was the Iowa State Kansas State game.
Iowa State Winnsday had control of the football twelve minutes
in that final quarter yesterday they went twenty four to
twenty one. And the question I have for you, because

(01:21:37):
I know you probably have the answer, I don't how
do they pick these teams that got to Doublin every year?
I had no problem with Notre Dame. I mentioned this earlier.
Notre Dame should be in Dublin every year, should be
a home game for them. But why do they pick
Iowa State Kansas date? How would they pick then? Who
picks him?

Speaker 1 (01:21:56):
I don't know. Whoever puts on those games has DoD
choice to pick him?

Speaker 3 (01:22:01):
And you're trying to figure out one which fan base
would fill it up, like who's gonna make the international travel,
what would be a good game to take in terms
of like a marquee game, one that people would tune in,
and those things.

Speaker 1 (01:22:13):
And the reason Iowa.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
State and Case State made sense is because it had
big twelve implications, two really good teams, two teams that
were ranked in the top twenty five, and two teams
that were going to buy for the championship.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
To me, it made a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:22:28):
Sense to bring those teams in and to figure out
who's gonna be a heavyweight a contender this year.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
I knew you'd have the answer. Okay, And now that
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You didn't have him in your top eight. As far
as Heisman possibilities, is he a Heisman possibility?

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I mean, I think he's on the list, but way
down the list.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
They're bigger names for bigger programs that are gonna get
first crack at it before him. But if he puts
up spectacular numbers and those things, yeah he could have
a chance. But hit the entire stage to himself on
Saturday and he didn't wow us with like numbers that
kind of jumped off the stat sheet. It could be

(01:23:54):
a little harder for him because every time we see
him the Football World season, we need to see him
have a big game for him to make up ground
on some of the notable names that are already on
the list.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Okay, now we moved to the National Football League. It
was Indianapolis coltsmaned official this week. Daniel Jones will be
their starting quarterback in twenty twenty five instead of the
former number four overall pick, Anthony Richardson. How surprised are
you with that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Not surprised, as though when they made the move to
bring him in, they brought him in and paid him
like he was gonna be the starting quarterback. I want
to say that deal had him with a base salary
of ten to twelve million dollars, which is significant for
a quote unquote backup quarterback. Not surprised then when Anthony
Richardson had another injury the dislocated finger. In those things,
it's just part of a list of injuries where he

(01:24:43):
hasn't been available. And if you're Shane Stiken, you're Chris
ballat the general manager, this is a make or break
year for you. You're competing for your professional lives in
terms of retaining the roles that you're in. You go
with Danny Dins because you know what you're getting. There's
a level of consistency that he brings. Now, he may

(01:25:06):
not have the highest of ceilings, but his floor is
good enough for them to win and for the goals.
You're just trying to figure out a way to win
games by any means necessary. So this gives them a
chance to win games. But the roster that is pretty good,
I mean very very competitive with some of the top
rosters in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
Well, i'll tell you what. They gave him a chance,
Anthony Richardson in two years. His completion percentage of like
forty eight percent in twenty twenty four was the worst
in the season since ten Tiva went twenty eleven. His
eight and twelve touchdown did interception ratio sixty one percent
passer rating the worst since DeShawn Kaiser's marks in twenty seventeen.

(01:25:44):
So this guy has also struggled, as you mentioned, to
stay healthy. So Richardson right now has some physical gifts.
They would say that maybe created the draft where he
was number four, but he has improven a thing in
the National Football League yet. So the question is what's
next for Anthony Richardson. So obviously they wanted to look

(01:26:07):
at some tape. He'd like to go somewhere else, and
there's some opportunities I would think in the National Football
League for him to at least be a backup. And
my take would be with the back issue in Los
Angeles with Matthew Stafford and the Rams, the Rams were
maybe looking at Anthony Richardson as a possible backup. Is
that correct?

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
I mean maybe, I don't know if stylistically he fits,
but there's gonna be some answers in him. If he's
dangled out there or if he's cut people want Look,
they're not gonna take on that rookie contract. They'll wait
for him to get cut so they can get him
on a minimum deal. But there'll always be some answers
just because he's such a spectacular athlete that there's a

(01:26:49):
coach out there that says I can get it out
of him. And some guys like tinkering with quarterback projects.
It's like those old men who like kind of messing
with old cars, right they like wearing cars and getting
up under the hood and doing that. Well, if you're
dealing with Anthony Rigison, that's exactly what you're dealing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
With all right now. I'm looking at some teams right
now that maybe looking at quarterbacks, and I would have
to say, right here and now today, the New Orleans
Saints may be in the worst shape as first quarterback
than any team in the National Football League this year, agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
I mean, it's not great for them, No, it's not great.

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Spencer Rattler's going to be the quarterback? Is that the deal? Probably?

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
I would think it seems like if you ask me,
because I've watched those guys compete two weeks ago, Spencer
radlery to me, is more ready to play it than
Tyler Shit is well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
And I tell you what I think, Anthony Rigidson, probably
given the opportunity, with the right team, right coaching staff,
probably has more talent than Spencer Rattler.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
I would think, Yeah, he may have more talent, but
he's not a better quarterback. See there's difference in terms
of like we're talking about running a race and doing
like a picks. Yeah, Anthony Richardson is going to surpass
Spencer rally, but it comes down to quarterback play and
winning quarterback play. Spencer Radland some of these other guys

(01:28:09):
who aren't as talented are better players than the guy
with more tools.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Okay, I have to say the Raiders might be a
possibility right now. Be stay down one quarterback Aiden O'Connell
broke his risk yesterday, so maybe they're looking for another
quarterback on this staff. So I think Richardson is a
possibility going to the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
I mean like they'll kick guitarres on the butt.

Speaker 3 (01:28:29):
Remember, nothing will happen for Richardson until he gets cut.
He would have to get cut because you don't want
to be on the hook for his salary, like make
the Coles have to pay all of that, the guaranteed
money and those things, and then pick them up on
a bargain basement deal. He likely his voiced his concerns
or what he would like to see if he's traded.

(01:28:50):
But for someone to do a trade, you really have
to feel like he's going to be a guy that
can come in and start or whatever. And I just
don't know if they're prevailing. Feeling around the league is
that on Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
I think two other teams that may have somewhat of
an interest maybe perhaps look see would be maybe the
Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers Fanthony Richardson. So I'm just
saying that I don't think Anthony Richardson is going to
be out of work. I think I'll have a uniform
on this year.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
I mean, you have a uniform. More people always take
a first round pick. Trey Lance has kind of settled
in and found his way with the La Chargers. He
went to the Cowboys after it didn't go well for
him with the San Francisco forty nine. If someone to
do the same for richardson of the teams that you named,
Baltimore would be intriguing. But the thing about Baltimore is
Todd Munket system. He's gonna have to be comfortable and

(01:29:43):
playing in the pocket and doing those things. He has talent,
but can you bring that out. Maybe Baltimore would be
the best situation for him because he could sit and
watch Lamar Jackson every day and learn.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
And Trey Lance is a perfect example what we talked
about it early on, a guy who didn't get a
a lot of snaps in college out of maybe a
difficult time adjusting in the NFL, and now he's sort
of learning his way.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Well, there's two things with Trey Lance. Not a lot
of snaps, but also a level of competition. You know,
he played down a level he didn't play up and
sometimes that can be a major factor. And because it
was a one and done one for one he played
one year, really played a game in the COVID season,
he didn't have a lot of experience when he made
his way into the league. So it's not only the

(01:30:29):
competition junk jump from you know, North Dakota State to
the NFL, but it's also the lack of experience. So
he didn't have enough reps to really be an expert
at what he was doing.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
I'm glad you touched on that with the competition levelcause
we told that a little early as well. But what
about Ashton genty because he didn't really play with top
notch competition either, right.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
No, he didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Running backs can be a little different because it's a
handleball and go get it thing. Quarterback can be a
lot different just because the speed and the pace of
the game and all that. But some of that can
be negated if you have significant reps at the level.
It's a mix and there's no perfect formula. I can't
give you a cookie cutter recipe to tell you, like, hey,

(01:31:15):
this is going to lead to success. This isn't going
to lead to success. I can just tell you those
factors are real when it comes to experience and what
it is that you're hoping to accomplish as a collegian
trying to make that jump from one level two next.

Speaker 2 (01:31:29):
I hear you sound okay now, you had a list
of eight potential Heisman Trophy candidates, and we said six
of those eights were quarterback, and obviously that's a quarterback.
It's a quarterback deal. I mean quarterbacks Heisman Trophy. And
now I'm going to give you a little bit of
a list of from the preseason rookies that look pretty strong,

(01:31:51):
all right, and see if you agree. All right, I'm
going to throw some rookie names at you, and one
of them that comes to mind is the quarterback of
the New York Giants, Jackson Dart. I think he had
a pretty good showing against the Buffalo Bills. Was something
like twelve to nineteen, one hundred and somewhere the one
hundred and fifty yards I think it was, So it
looked pretty good. Jackson Dark to me, maybe maybe the

(01:32:14):
most impressive because he played in New York. Obviously with
the New York market getting a lot of hype, maybe
the most impressive rookie thus far.

Speaker 3 (01:32:21):
I would think, yeah, he's been like, look, he's been
really impressive. Now, some of it is also what you said, like,
we've kind of blown this thing up a little bit
because it's New York and because he's in a major
market in those things. But Dark has played well. He's
played well in the situation that they put him in.

(01:32:41):
They also modified the offense a bit to make sure
that it.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
Catered to his game. You're seeing some of the things
that he did at ole Miss kind of layered in there.
So you give him credit.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
I mean give him credit for playing well and doing
what is asked of him to do, very very early
in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:33:03):
All Right, I'm gonna go now to a running back.
I'm gonna go to t Trevon Henderson because what he
did in the opening game for the New England Patriots
against Washington. Uh, he took the opening kickoff one one
hundred yards for a touchdown. That that opened up a
lot of eyes right there. So I think that right
now is another rookie. I think you have to say, uh,
people will be looking at him, watching him and thumbs

(01:33:26):
up thus far.

Speaker 3 (01:33:27):
In preseason yeahs, thus far he uh the big, big,
big play early. The return showed you the explosioness, the
big playability, and that will give you an uh. That'll
give you a chance, right, that'll give you a chance
to get onto the field because everyone wants that dynamic
playmaker in the kicking game, and they also see the

(01:33:48):
value that he could bring if you could put him
in space. Look, he's been as advertised, which is what
you want to see from a guy who's really brought
in to help Drake Matt.

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Okay, here's here's a sleeper. Here's a guy that I
don't think anybody expected to do well in the National
Football League. He played at Iowa. He led the Football
Bawl Subdivision and tackles in twenty twenty three. He was
a two time first team All Big Ten Honors guy
and All Conference linebacker twenty twenty four. But he was

(01:34:22):
undrafted in April, maybe because he had some poor testing numbers,
bad small size, only six foot at two twenty four.
His name is Jay Higgins fourth, a linebacker, went to
the Baltimore Ravens and maybe during the preseason one of
the better linebackers right now. Don't know who he's playing against,

(01:34:43):
but he's making a bit of a name for himself.
Have you seen him? Have you heard much about Jay
Higgins fourth, the linebacker on the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
What I would tell you about the Baltimore Ravens that
the Baltimore Ravens are one of the best teams when
it comes to giving guys opportunities. Undrafted free agents who
come in and have an opportunity to play there will
make the team.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
And so he's been productive. He stood out you talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
The numbers in those things, he'll have an opportunity. May
not make the active roster right away, but certainly he's
done enough to command some attention as a practice squad guy.

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
All right, get out of Kansas State, goes to Tampa Bay.
He's a cornerback, Jacob Parrish. All right, it looks like
he's gonna start for Tampa Bay at nickel corner and
showing the Buccaneers that they did the right deal by
getting this guy. So I think that he's another guy
with a thumbs up right there.

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Yeah, I mean, but Jacob Parrish came in expected to
be a starting nickel slash down candidate, great instincts and awareness,
and he's been as advertised at that position for the
Tampa Bay Buccaneers, a team that really plays a lot
of his own coverage. I's in the backfield, vision and
break doing those things. Not surprised to see him have
immediate amount of success.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
Okay, now I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a couple of
names out there that maybe uh, not having that great
of a preseason, not having a great success, and not
to say that they may not have a great career,
but as of now as a rookie in preseason, just
some questions. Now, we look at the Las Vegas Raiders
had a pretty shaky cornerback situation last year, and what

(01:36:26):
do they do. They only drafted one guy in the
secondary and this guy was Darian Porter, and he's not
doing that well right now. He's struggled. I get it.
This is a transition, right It's a big sugg struggle
to go from the college to the pros. It's tough.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
I mean, it is tough.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
And I think the thing that we have to be
mindful of is like sometimes in these games, we don't
know what the goal of the team, like their approach
in terms of, hey, we're just gonna play this coverage
only just to see how everyone does or whatever. This
about Porter, he's only played a position for a little
over year. Here's a wide receiver for most of his time.

(01:37:05):
They made a conversion. His final season at Iowa State,
he played cornerback. He's a special team standout, which is
really where he's gonna make his contributions.

Speaker 1 (01:37:15):
Eventually he'll get on the field and do.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
Some corner stuff, but I think of him as more
of a big picture player, someone that's gonna be a
two phase player special teams and defense as opposed to
just being a defensive contributor.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Okay, I'm gonna also put my thumb down because I
want to do it to this guy. He's a quarterback
on the Cleveland Browns, Dylan Gabriel. I still think shoe
dooer standers should be playing in front of him. I
know they're gonna go by who was drafted and what
round and what order. So he's going to take the
situation that Dylan Gabriel will be ahead of should doer standards,

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at least right now for now, he will be. But
I'm not that impressed. I'm not that impressed. And really
and truly, I'm not so certain forty year old Joe
Flacco is going to make it through the season. What
do you think?

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
What a few different things they played? Dylan Gabriel played
like they thought he would play. His experience has paid off.
He had a really good drive let him on a
score against the Rams the last preseason game, and he
settled in After a topsy turvy performance against the Eagles,
he bounced back and played well. Sudar Sanders didn't play

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as well. People talk about he played with the threes
in those things, but five sacks and four of those
were on him more so than the line.

Speaker 1 (01:38:30):
That's not good enough.

Speaker 3 (01:38:31):
I think what everyone has to understand is evaluators don't
see these things in a vacuum. They look at the
entire body of work from the beginning of training camp
all the way through the last preseason game, and they'll
make those decisions based on that.

Speaker 1 (01:38:45):
But Gable has been.

Speaker 3 (01:38:47):
Solid and that might just be enough for the peck
in order to say the change on the stay the
same on the depth chart.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
But did the evaluators not just look at how they played?
Did they also look at who they played against?

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Always, I mean you always are looking and seeing and
making sure that you evaluate the player fairly. And you
can see when you're playing with and against the threes
as opposed to playing with and against the ones, that
level of adversity reveals something about who you are as
a player in a prospect. But yeah, evaluators have been

(01:39:21):
at this for a while where they're able to kind
of grade on a curve great correctly based on situation
and circumstance.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
Oh help me out here. Now, I'm gonna throw a
little loop in here. I'm going over now. I want
to talk about the Tennessee Titans for a second, because
when you draft a quarterback as the number one pick
in the draft, and they did that with cam Ward,
you would think that the national media would at least
converge on this guy. Let us know what's going on,

(01:39:50):
how he's playing, what he looks like, and what he
may be doing. We haven't heard squat about cam Miller
cam Ward if we really haven't heard much about him
obviously because there's so many other things going on with
Jerry Jones and Michael Parsons and obviously what you do
with standers. What is the story with cam Ward? How

(01:40:11):
is he going to do and what is he going
to do with Tennessee.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Look, man, I think people around Tennessee love cam Ward
and what he brings, not only from a tool standpoint,
but from a leadership standpoint. He's an alpha dog, he's competitive,
he's feisty, doesn't mind being with the underdog, and.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
He makes place.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
He's a playmaker, and they haven't been able to put
it together completely. But he's shown flashes and that's why
you're encouraged by his play.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
You know, it's funny because you know with Bill Callahan
there as an offensive coordinative and now head coach. I
think he's going to do rather well. But I think
that if you're cam, you're kind of happy you're in
the shadow that they're not talking about you. I mean,
that creates a lot of pressure when they do. And
really and truly we don't here much nationally. I'm sure

(01:41:01):
in Tennessee is getting a lot of play, but other
than that, we don't hear much about him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
Yeah, but he still, uh is under pressure. Make no mistake,
when you're the number one overall pick, you're under pressure.

Speaker 1 (01:41:11):
Now he would like to be.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
More spotlight on him because more spotlight leads to more
opportunities to get paid off the field. But for now
it works, but everyone is going to pay closer attention
to him and his performance as we get into the
regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:41:27):
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where would they go?

Speaker 8 (01:41:53):
Where to go?

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
We'll get to that in just about a minute. He's
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So let's get rolling right now. Now. You know that
colleges need to get some revenue right now, Athletic departments
need to be creative. They got to raise some revenue.

(01:42:37):
And what they've done bucket. You know this, they have paid.
They're making you pay for some practice in the spring,
for spring practice, for football, the spring game. A lot
of these schools are charging admission now they're doing this.
This is amazing. I don't know if you heard this one.
In order to be creative to raise revenue now, because
they not only have to pay the coach big time money,
they got to pay the players. They are now get this,

(01:43:01):
they are now selling the postgame media press conferences to
the public. It's unbelievable. Really, what do you think about that?
Before I roll on on this, what do you think
about their opening up the press conferences so the public
could attend and see what goes on at the press
conference after the game.

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
If they're buying, I'm selling. So if people are going
to pay for access, then I'm gonna continue to sell it.
I have to find ways to raise our revenue.

Speaker 1 (01:43:32):
This is a new model.

Speaker 3 (01:43:33):
This is a landscape that wein and if I'm gonna
have to revenue share and pay and do all these things,
then I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
That's what I have to do. This is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Look, we can call it collegiate sports, but we're operating
like professionals, and the NFL makes you pay for access.
So I'm not surprised to see colleges begin to talk about, hey,
let's make the public our fans pay for some of
this content out that we used to put out for free.

Speaker 2 (01:44:02):
Now you just said the NFL makes you pay fast
in the words the public or go to the post
game deals in the prose too. I didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
No, they don't do that, but I'm just saying, like,
if you just think about all the different things that
you have to pay for to get behind the scenes
access in those things, like, for instance, I don't know
if you're watching Netflix and the deal with Jerry Jones
and the Cowboys and those things, things are on subscription
based models. Hard Knocks is on a subscription based thing.

(01:44:31):
We're paying for that access to these things. We may
not know it, but we're paying for these things. And
NFL has an app, NFL Plus, where you're paying for
more access. That's the nature of it. I am not
surprised that colleges has started to go to some of this.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
It's amazing. And look, you've been to your share of
postgame news conferences. I'm sure I'm going to kind of
set it up so for those people who may be
interested right now, getting really excited, say, look, I want
to do this with their favorite college team. It's in
a place which is a small, cramped, clammy room with
a microphone, and the background on the stage is a

(01:45:09):
sponsored background, And really and truly it's somewhat boring. You
got players that don't want to be there and coaches
that really don't say much, unless maybe once in a
while they'll attack a reporter and say, that's a stupid question.
That basically is what it is, right, I.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Mean it is, but if the question is stupid, it's
okay to call it stupid question. Yeah, I mean basically,
what you're doing is you're in the bottles of the stadium.

Speaker 1 (01:45:33):
You have like a seating area.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
I would think that if they're selling it, they'll move
it to a nicer place, like a little mini auditorium
or the team meeting room so that you can go
in there and.

Speaker 1 (01:45:44):
You know, like actually listen and to do those things.
But yeah, paying for access, that's I mean, I can't.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Say it's pretty d I will say it's pretty created.
It's a good idea. Whoever thought about this really, and
I'm going to tell you the school that's doing it
right now. But you have the coach and a PA
or players doing their best, really and truly to avoid
saying anything that will wind up getting them really toasted
and roasted on social media, all right, And also you
have reporters out there. It's just kind of push and push, push,

(01:46:14):
try to get them to say something. So I'm hoping
that if and when it's opened up to most colleges,
I think colleges are going to start doing this. They
don't permit the public who are paying their way in
there to start asking questions too. That would be bad.
So I will tell you the course right now, Oklahoma
University is doing it. They're selling access for six hundred

(01:46:36):
and ninety two dollars and eleven cents where they get
that from to the upcoming game against Michigan on September sixth.
That six hundred and ninety two bucks and eleven cents
is a ticket that admits two, so it comes out
to about three hundred and forty six dollars ahead. And
they go there after the game for the postgame press
conference and for the prior weight that Oklahoma's playing Illinois State.

(01:46:58):
That's only four and that game is sold out. It's
sold out. So the Oklahoma people are buying, and what
Oklahoma is selling, the public's buying. I'm telling you it's
gonna catch on. I'm not saying it's gonna catch on
every school. I bet it happens at Ohio State. It
will happen in Kentucky Basketball for sure. I know that
it's gonna happen to a good handful of schools around

(01:47:21):
the country. And they're gonna make some good money on this.

Speaker 3 (01:47:25):
Yeah, they'll make some money. The access is everything like,
they'll they'll make some money on it. They'll have an
opportunity to cash in a little bit offset some of
the costs that are killing them. You know, we talk
about the costs that are killing them, just player labor
being everything, Like just having to pay the player says,

(01:47:45):
really put a little dentt in everyone's budget. This is
a way to offset some of that. I don't know
how much money they'll make off of it, but they'll
make enough. They certainly are gonna make enough to make
it entertaining for them, no doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:56):
People want to go where no one ever goes before
I mean people want to go. They can say I
was there. I mean, you know, the late Bobby Knight.
I mean, may he rest in peace. People would have
loved to have gone. I don't think he would permit this, really,
but people would have loved to have gone to see
him go ballistic at a postgame presser. They really would
have loved to see that. And then they can go

(01:48:18):
back and tell their friends, you know, you see that
on TV as that oh TV, I was there. I
was there when it' happened. People love that. People would
love to be there. So I think this is gonna
catch on like wildfire. And honestly and truly, I give
a five star commend this guy whoever decided to do it.
And Oklahoma has been first, so you know, we'll see
what happens. It's gonna catch on. It's gonna catch on

(01:48:39):
in North Carolina. They're gonna want to see Bill Belichick
on the postgame news conference. And believe me, Belichick won't
say more than five words. He doesn't talk of those presses.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
He really doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:48:48):
So we'll see what happens there. But you know, you
know what's happening in North Carolina. You'll keep us informed.
If they're gonna sell the postgame press conferences there, I'm
sure Bucky you'll let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:59):
Yeah, let's you know. Oh listen, I haven't heard, but
I'm sure at some point to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
All right, could we talk a little something about one
of your favorite sports, which is baseball. And I hate
to bring it up because I know your Dodgers are
no longer in first place, the San Diego Padres, But
I'm going to talk about something else in the sport
of baseball. Last week, during the broadcast of the Little
League Classic they call it now not the World Series,
the Little League Classic, Major League Baseball commissioner Rob Manford,

(01:49:24):
he was talking about expansion and realignment. Is it too much?
And where do they go expansion? You know, why do
they want to expand? You know, when you have a
question about something in the world of sports, that always
comes back to one thing, and that's money. The green
cabbage of salvation. It's all about the money because the
owners will get an expansion fee if in fact they expand.

(01:49:49):
I think expansion's good. Why, it's got a great jobs.
A lot of people get judged that's a good thing.
But I think it also dilutes the talent, don't you agree.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
I mean, it can die.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
I guess it depends on which teams, which cities they
would go to. Like I would personally love for them
to make their way back into Canada and go to
the startup to Montreal Expos Again. People have talked about
that I missed the exposed, I miss seeing them or whatever.
I can't imagine what other teams or what other cities
they were venture into. But to me, if I'm a
fight for another team, I'm gonna say, let's go, let's

(01:50:23):
go to the expos.

Speaker 1 (01:50:24):
Let's do the Xpos.

Speaker 2 (01:50:25):
You know what. I'm with you on that. I'm with
you on the Expos. I don't know right now how
difficult it'll be going through crossing the border, but I
guess what athletes you could get that done. But you
hit on a point over there. You know, they want
to go to thirty two teams instead of the thirty
were on out.

Speaker 8 (01:50:38):
Where do you go?

Speaker 2 (01:50:39):
I mean, who's available that they're talking about? Nashville? Nashville
has been very hot over the list several years getting
a team in Nashville. But what's available Portland? I don't know, Charlotte, Orlando.
I mean sot Lake City has become kind of a
sports city now they got the NBA and they got
the NHL. It's so like city a possibility for baseball.
I don't know, So you hit it right on the head.

(01:51:02):
I don't know. Besides Nashville and maybe Montreal, I don't
know where else you can go.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't I don't know. I think
Nashville is fine, like because it puts you in the South.
I'm trying to figure out what teams because you know,
you got to balance the books when it comes to
if you can do thirty two, you got to make
sure it's balance in both leagues. You don't want to
have one league with more teams than the other one,

(01:51:28):
you know, with eighteen and the other with fourteen. So
you got to balance it up, make sure it's even. Yeah,
it'll be interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:51:35):
But yeah, Nashville certainly would have some play because it
is a major city. They do have all the sports.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
Well not really because they don't have NBA Basketball Tennessee
that's in Memphis the Grizzlies.

Speaker 1 (01:51:46):
But they do have hockey. They got the pro team
for the NFL team, so maybe you put baseball there.
Maybe they're complete it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
Who knows. I mean, I don't really care if they
expand it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:56):
They don't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:57):
I just was interested when he started talking about that.
The last expansion of basketball is nineteen ninety eight when
Tampa Bay and Arizona came to the league. But the
one thing that really irked me when I read about
this is that they want to change the name the
American League National League. They want to change that from
that to East and West. And I got to believe
American League and National League at least for the baseball fan,

(01:52:19):
for the purest and you're a purist, you're a baseball
purest fan. I think those names are sacred. I don't
think you could change that to East and West. You
got to keep American League Nationally, don't you agree.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
I'm okay with Like if you want to change it, like,
what does it matter? I mean, American League, National League,
those things. I mean, it will change everything because if
you go east to West, well now you kind of
upset the Alpacar because the American International League have East
and West divisions, So it changes everything.

Speaker 1 (01:52:51):
I mean, there's a way. I mean, I don't know
if you have to do anything to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:52:55):
Well, you know, it would be easier to name it
East and West because I think if you want to
keep some rivalries, you'll know the Yankees and Red Sox
they probably have to be in the East, and that's
the East, and they want to keep that rivalry there.
And I think maybe you ought to put the Mets
in that division as well. I mean, they talk about realignment,
Dodgers and Giants have to be in the same division,
but maybe they put the Angels in there as well.
So I think they're going to realign everything. Look, I

(01:53:18):
think baseball change. I don't think it changed for the
better when they basically made interleague play. I think on
paper it sounded really interesting and exciting, but I think
there was something secretive about the all start game every
year when you saw people and players from the other
league that you never got to see unless the World Series.

(01:53:39):
Really I think that was a big deal. I think
in the league play kind of hurt that room that
to some extent, and I rather see teams play each
other more within their division because it means more. Those
games mean more, especially going down for a pennant race.
That's what I'd like to see. I think in the
league play sort of hurt baseball. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe disagree,

(01:54:00):
but I just think in the league play was not
the greatest of all ideas. Money wise, it may be.
I think when the Yankees go to Denver and they
played Denver, you know, I remember they raised the prices
of tickets they charged per team, you know, interest per team,
and when the Yankees going to Denver, they charged more
money to see the Yankees play because more people want
to see the Yankees. But other than that, I don't

(01:54:23):
think the advantage of inter league play.

Speaker 3 (01:54:26):
Yeah, I mean it did take some of the novelty
off of those matchups that we would see either All
Star Game or in the World Series when you did
go to interleague play, Like yeah, like you used to
only see your teams over and over and over again,
teams within that conference or whatever National League, American League,
teams within the league over and over again. When you

(01:54:48):
did open it up. Yeah, it was fine for a
little bit, like some of the rivalries that we saw
like the Chicago the Cubs in the White Sox and
those things Dodgers, Angels, But after wow, that's all worn
off now, and so is it really worth Is it
worth it?

Speaker 1 (01:55:04):
To kind of break it up like they've done.

Speaker 2 (01:55:06):
I didn't mean to upset you by bringing up baseball
and your Dodgers. I really didn't, So I won't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no no, no, no, no,
no no, I'm fine. This temporary is temporary, like it's
it's amazing in LA. We just worried about the big things.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
So once we get to the postseason and those things,
we're gonna get a ticket into the tournament.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
And then once we get into the tournament, we kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
Know what to do, all right, and we'll see time
will tell. There we go. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Firman.
We are Fox Sports Sunday and Fox Sports ready on
his time to let off some steam. Why the blame
Dame is freaking next the blame game coming right up.

(01:55:45):
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(01:56:06):
time for the blame game.

Speaker 1 (01:56:08):
Ruin me, it's all your fault.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
No, it's your fault.

Speaker 6 (01:56:12):
Is all your fault? Maybe it's everyone's faults. A liar,
that's why there's the blame game. Let's figure out who
to blame.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
He's a liar. Oh that's you. That's you.

Speaker 8 (01:56:27):
I'm sorry, I'm not a liing today.

Speaker 6 (01:56:30):
A liar?

Speaker 8 (01:56:31):
Okay, maybe I am a little said that? Who did
say that?

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Some big loud mouth? Oh?

Speaker 8 (01:56:38):
Why I YadA. I'm gonna give that one a good
one too. Well, speaking of giving someone a good one too,
Shiloh Sanders yesterday at his preseason game was ejected. Why
for punching the opposed one of the opposing offensive players.
I think it was a tight end. So he got
ejected for throwing a punch.

Speaker 1 (01:56:58):
Who do you blame for that one?

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
And well, you know what, though, I'm a Sanders guy, Okay,
so it's not really fair. So I'm gonna say the
punch was deserved. He deserved because I looked at that
tape several times and it looked like he was throwing
the punch after he got hit. After he got Usually
the guy that throws the second one against caught, and
he got caught. But you know what, he got a

(01:57:21):
good lock. First of all, I don't understand why anybody
would ever throw a punch with the guy's wearing a helmet.
That's the stupidest thing I have saw. I mean, when
football players punch one another with helmets on, that's kind
of dumb. But you know what, I'm not blaming mister
Sanders on this one. Ain't his fault.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Now, I'm gonna blame him because he cast himself a
great opportunity. The third preseason's game is a game where
they play all the second and third stringers the entire game.
So for a guy that is fighting to make a roster,
the decision was silly. He has to be able to
walk away from that and keep the main thing, the
main thing. The main thing is to play, put good

(01:57:56):
tape on there and get myself a chance to make
a roster. He hurt himself and he may ultimately paid
the ultimate consequence by being cut because he didn't finish
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:11):
I had that guy back there. He's one of those
guys that paid his way into the press conference.

Speaker 8 (01:58:16):
Oh man, well let's go to college football here, guys,
the Kansas State Iowa State for yesterday's a college football opener.
Who do you blame? Bucky?

Speaker 1 (01:58:25):
Look, I don't blame anybody. I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
I love the fact that they were over in Ireland
playing the game. Teams that we normally don't see you
on TV. They got a chance to play on a
big stage. So I love it, great opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
I blame the commissioners because there's gotta be Look, there's
gotta be too. Give me some names. Okay, Kansas State
and Iowa State. I'm not named players, they're not. May
come on, it was a good game. There's no doubt
in my mind it was a good game. But again,
you know, it's not about the game that's played. It's
about the marquee on the on the board that sells,

(01:58:57):
not the game. It's the marquee and they not really
you look what people in Dublin are pretty stupid anyway,
they really are. They don't know. If they wouldn't, you
know what, I would tell you this much, little dumper,
you meet Bucky and Mark could suit up on one
of those teams and they'd still pay the gocus. They
would know a difference.

Speaker 8 (01:59:13):
Why was so mean to iron to Irish people? Man,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
They're always they're always They're always loaded. That's why you
treat twenty four hours a day.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Oh man.

Speaker 8 (01:59:24):
The Irish are my people.

Speaker 5 (01:59:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:59:27):
I love Irish. They drink all the time.

Speaker 8 (01:59:32):
Thank you, thank you for that. Mighty well, let's speaking
of a team that makes us all want to drink more.
We have the Cowboys, Micah Parsons, Jerry Jones and Mica
is agents the whole negotiating stalemate that we're at right now.
Who is to blame for this whole mess?

Speaker 1 (01:59:47):
Buggy Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:59:49):
This is the deal that should have been done two
years ago. But Jerry Jones continues to like to play
these things out with his stars. He doesn't want to
pay anybody doesn't like paying his bills.

Speaker 1 (01:59:59):
And it's his fault because now you have this disrupted team.
Disrupt this disjointed team is just stupid, and so he's
the blame.

Speaker 2 (02:00:10):
I sometimes do agree with Bucket Brooks. I'm agreeing right now.
Say it is it is in fact, Jerry, Jerry, wake up,
wake up, Come on, sign the kid, will you geez.

Speaker 8 (02:00:25):
Well, we're gonna go from the NFL to college ball.
We're gonna go SEC. So the SEC wants nine regular
season games next season. The Big Ten also is talking
about going to twenty four to twenty eight teams for
the college football playoffs. We mentioned that earlier. But who
do you blame for this whole idea? In concept?

Speaker 1 (02:00:43):
There?

Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
Andy? You know what though, this time, I'm not gonna
say it's a blame. I think the commissioners are doing
something really smart. They want to get more teams in there.
They go to eliminate the bowl games, more competition, more games.
There will be a great tournament right now.

Speaker 9 (02:00:55):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:56):
I'm not blaming anybody on this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:00):
Yeah, I mean, I love it. I just love to
seeing more teams play, So I'm good with it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:03):
There we go, by the way, that's it, Curtain coming down,
Countdown next on Fox. See you next week,

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