Andy Furman & Bucky Brooks React To Pacers Knocking Down The Knicks To Advance, The Never-Ending Aaron Rodgers Saga, New Era Inside The NBA, And More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
All right, the real loser. We'll tell you who the
real loser was. That's coming right up.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Good morning, everybody, Good morning. This is Fox Sports Sunday
at Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Andy Freman.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know what.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. And
here we go, and my guy, you know what, really
and truly he needs no introduction. If you know the
NFL backwards and forwards, he's the man. He's a teacher,
he's an instructor, he's a scout, he's a writer, he's
a TV star, and he's my partner right here.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
He's the man, Bucky Brooks. How are you?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
I'm good Andy. What's going on? How you doing well?

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (00:37):
I gotta tell you something. Everybody's talking about Game six
last night in the NBA. Everybody knows the Knicks loss.
I was kind of pulling for the Knicks. I did
some work for them while I was in college. I
looked with a kind of an intern there with the
PR guys over there, so I kind of was rooting
for them, and everybody knew the Paces were gonna win.
I guess because it was an Indy one twenty five
one aweight. But the real loser, I mean, we got
to pull the curtain back. You know who the real

(00:59):
loser was that game? You know, me and every fan.

Speaker 2 (01:03):
You know why?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Because there is gonna be no more inside the NBA
on TNT. That's what people need to be talking about.
The hell with the Knicks, the hell with the Pacers,
and we move on to Oklahoma City and Indianapolis. Really
no one cares. No one cares, you know what they
care about. No more Shack, no more Ernie, no more Charles, Okay,
no more Kenny the Jet on TNT. They're moving and

(01:26):
that's bad because they did more for the NBA than
really and truly than Pascal Siakam did last night. Who
won the Lowry Bird Trophy is the MVP. They did
more for the NBA and you know it and I
know it.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
Yeah No, I mean, look, it's the end of an error.
Thing about that show and watching them sign off for
the final time.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Quick, Ernie, Ernie started to cry.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
I mean, just think about it. I mean, Charles Barkley
been there for twenty five years. The amount of longevity
and loyalty and tie in that that show that look
everything on that network had had from inside the NBA
to NBA on TNT, all of those things really really mattered.
And I think for me as an aspiring broadcaster looking

(02:13):
at that show, you saw guys who were able to
present analysis by being themselves. So Kenny Smith, Charles Barkley
being outlandish and bombastic and being very opinionated but voicing
those opinions, Shack being.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Shack, all of it kind of work together.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
And then if you're someone who is really studying the craft,
you think about Ernie Johnson being able to work off
the unscripted, as he talked about in his book, just
being able to kind of handle and manage all of
those personalities, and the show was Look, it's the standard.
I mean you think every year Sports Emmys, the number
of Sports Emmys that that show has won tells you that, Look,

(02:51):
it was the number one show when it came to
covering sports in the league, and it will continue to
be even though it changes networks.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
But yeah, it's sad because.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Not the front people of the talent that we see,
they won't be affected by it, but all of the
people behind the scenes that made this your click.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
So many of them will be affected by the show moving.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
You know what, you make a great point because a
lot of times you talk about the conversations that they
have with Shaq and Charles whatever it may be, and
next thing you know, you see a tweet punting up
on the screen. And these guys that produce as directors,
they do a heck of a job there. So you know,
it's not like they're going away forever and ever. They're
moving over to and I want to mention it, I'll
call it the four letter Network. They're going over there,
which tells me it's going to be a different animal.

(03:29):
Why do I say that because I promise you, I
promise you. Steve and A is going to be walking
into the set. They're going to be grounded. They'll be
told what to say, what not to say. And honestly,
when you're on TNT, you're on an island. There's nothing else.
What does TNT have. Every once in a while, they'll
have like a golf event, that's basically it. They don't
really have sports, so they could go after anybody and
everybody on ESPN. They got to be careful of the

(03:52):
properties that they own. They can't take a poke at somebody,
because I guarantee if someone upstairs and management's going to
say I watch a Charles take it easy, it's gonna
be a different situation. I promise you that. And it's
not gonna be the same. You know, it was the highlight,
it was the centerpiece of TNT. It's gonna be just
another show on ESPN, that's all it is.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, Well, look, I'm hoping that because they've retained some
of their independent status that will still be produced out
of the studios in Atlanta by that crew and they're
just licensed licensing out the show that I'm hoping that
it retains most of its original flavor and what made
it unique. They talked about the show not having the
cross of NBA's talent, I mean ESPN's talent coming over.

(04:36):
So hopefully it ran the same, but it won't. It
won't be exactly as it was. It won't be as
loose as it was. I just can't imagine that it
would continue to do so. But I will say this,
We've seen ESPN have those agreements licensing agreement with Pat
McAfee and McAfee show is relatively the same. It's the

(04:57):
same kind of debauchery and stuff that those who fall
in love with the show like to see before he became,
as they say, corporate, And I would think that the
inside NBA should be able to follow that model and
do the same thing.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
So hopefully it doesn't change much.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
But it is sad to see the NBA leave TNT
because it was such a a great beacon for the
for the NBA, Like the NBA grew as that networking
as their coverage and as inside NBA grew.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know, I want to talk to the genius to
let that show go their genius at TNT. That will
be almost as stupid as like letting you and I go.
Think about that. I mean, really and truly when you
think about it, really, I want to hear and see
the genius at TNT. You say, it's okay, you know,
we'll be fine, let them go.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
How could you do?

Speaker 3 (05:45):
I don't get it, you know what, But that's life,
you know, That's what makes the ball go around, I guess.
But this guy right now must be looking at the
ceiling when he's sleeping, and I say, how why did
I do this? But that's another story. Right, So we
talked about the game last night. Okay, I'm watching I'm
pulling for the I mean, I watch sports right now
in a different mode, you know. I don't go up
and down and all those stuff off the TV screen

(06:05):
like I used to do. I watch, I relax. I
kind of find. But I did follow the Knicks last night.
I was screaming a little bit, you know, and I
was wondering what's going on because they picked the MVP,
all right, And I tell you why. Another way, these
guys pick MVPs. The guy who scores the most points
is the MVP. Right So Siakabad thirty one to give
the mv he didn't deserve the MVP. Andrew Nembart deserved

(06:28):
the MVP. This guy put the clamps. Put the clamps
on Jalen Brunston last night. As a matter of fact,
if Brunton's waking up right now, Nemhart's right behind him
as a shadow. I mean, that's how close he was.
I know Brunton finished with nineteen, but he had a
work he had to work for. I have never seen
a teams play defense for forty eight minutes eighty four.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Feet on the court like the Pacers did last night.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I give them a lot of credit, but the guy
who did it was Empard Andrew Nembart did it. I
mean what he six turnovers, they turned them around and
they scored. The Pacers did for what he did to
Jalen br who basically shot on the bench most of
the first quarter. He couldn't get free because he has
that fall away jumper. He couldn't get any daylight because
of them are that's my take.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
He was the MVP.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, I can't go with you on that. He was
the MVP. I mean, he had a really good game.
He did.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
He did some really good things in terms of playing defense.
And what the Pacers do is certainly unique. They pick
you up the four ninety four, and you know, it's
one of the things that people will not give Rick
Patino credit for. But going all the way back to
those next teams that Rick Patino did, he picked up
people for a court and they said, you can't press
four time.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
In the NBA. Well I'm looking up here and the
inn and.

Speaker 4 (07:38):
That papers Pacers press four court the entire time. And
it's not even just to create turnovers, but it's to
speed up the game, and they play at a pace
that's enjoyable with the more ragged the game, the better
it is for them, And I knew watching the first quarter,
I was like, man, the Knicks are in trouble because
they've been seduced into playing Indiana's way and they're not to.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Play that way for four quarters.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
And he saw like they had a lull and Indiana
stretched it out and eventually dominated the game.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
No doubt about that. And I gotta believe that Karl
Anthony Towns was somewhat hurt. But I tell you what,
I believe that he hurts the Knicks defensively. I mean,
I don't enjoy watching Towns take thirty footage from outside.
That's you know, we talked about that before. You know,
his game is basically not inside the pain but his site,
his his size and his with withid and his strength

(08:28):
should be inside. And he tried going inside a little
bit and then he looked like he hurt his knee,
had a bad knee going into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
But I think always defense, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
He's always he's always banged up. It's always something. So
it's one of those things. He heard them. He does
hurt them. In terms of being a big that doesn't
play big consistently. He tends to wander out on the perimeter.
He wants to shoot threes. In those things where the
games in which the Knicks won, he was committed to
going to the paint and punishing the little guys that

(09:00):
they had on them. Last night, he drifted away from
the paint, wanted to shoot threes, got a nemor with
a jump shot, and it didn't work in the knicks favor.
But some of that also was I would say the
exceptional ball pressure that Indiana put on the ball handlers
for the next I mean they had the next playing
out in their half court because they didn't make anything
easy for them. And one of the things that we

(09:20):
knew about the Knicks is offense is hard for them.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's hard for them to get buckets.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
It becomes the Jalen Brunson show late in games because
the rest of their players tent are unable to get
their own shot off the bounce. And if you can't
get your own shot off the dribble, now you relying
upon passing and cutting in those things, and the way
the Pacers played, they disrupt all of that.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know, it was one twenty five one away they
lose by seventeen, but it wasn't for Mitchell Robinson of
the Knicks, who gave the next opportunities for second and
third shots with his offensive rebounding, they would have lost
by thirty five.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Really, I mean, he.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Saved them what he did, and it's uncanny the way
he was able to get offensive rebounds in between those
guys under the Pacers basket. I was shocked, I really was.
He played his heart out, you know, Mitchell Robinson did.
But you know, you look at the Pacers and then
people always say that, you know, you cannot win with
one guy. I mean, you look at the Minnesota Timberwolves.
They got the man. He needs help, he can't do

(10:14):
it alone. But you look at the Pacers, they really
don't have that one guy. I mean, you know they
got Yeah Siakam will come alive.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
He thirty one. You got Halli Burton, he scored twenty
one last night. But they have guy.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Last night they had seven guys and double figures. I mean,
and you look at the Knicks. I mean when Brunton
doesn't play, they don't win. I mean, he carries them towns.
He'll give you points, but you know he what he
gives you, he gives up on defense.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
So there is team and there is individuals.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
So back in the day, didn't have the Big three
in the Celtics they had the Lakers would have like
a Beler and West.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
They've had them on the screen.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
You know they had the Lebron or you know one
guy could carry the team. Pacers are different in that regard.
They they had seven guys and double figures last night
and they shut over fifty percent from the floor, which
is uncanny.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
They played great basketball. They deserve to win.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Well.

Speaker 4 (11:06):
Look, I'm gonna say this when if you looked at
the playoffs, and if you've seen both sides the Eastern
and the Western Conference playoffs, you'll say that the two
teams that we're left with and the finals are the
two best teams throughout the playoffs. The Indiana Pasers and
the Oklahoma City Thunder have been the best teams in
the postseason.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
And it's also unique that they.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Are two teams that are in the non tax luxury
tax portion of the NBA. And what they've been able
to do is they've been able to do it with
maybe a player or two players on big contracts, but
a bunch of young players and a bunch of veterans
on mid level deals that aren't breaking the bank. It'd
be hard to retain parts of the team. But if

(11:48):
they continue to commit to this developmental model that both
teams are using.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah they can be there.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
And I think some team builders are going to look
at the way that Indiana and Oklahoma City has been
able to successfully navigate through the postseason and become teams
that have been in this conversation the last few years,
and they may do away with the big three model.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And say, hey, we need to be a team.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
We need more of team basketball, like that stop power
era has faded.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
You have to have a deep.

Speaker 4 (12:19):
Team, a team where multiple guys can feel big roles
and it's not just depending on one or two players
to carry the team.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
They do, and I think the team aspect is more affordable.
As you mentioned, I think that's the way to go.
We've seen the changing of the guard really so far
in the NBA. Look the number one seeds like Boston
and Cleveland, they're home watching on TV like you and me.
There's no superstars. Lebron's gone, Steph has gone, Giannis has gone.
So it's a different era in the NBA. And maybe
it's not all about superstars now, you know. I said

(12:49):
something about a week or so ago, and you slapped
me around a little bit.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
You were right.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean I said maybe the NBA and the executives
are not too happy with having Marcus like Indianapolis and
Oklahoma City playing in the finals. First of all, I
was wrong. It doesn't make a difference. You know, people
are going to watch. But I don't think people watch
for teams, and they don't watch for markets. They watch
for players. They watch for players, and I think they
want to see Halliburn. They want to see him, They
want to see the Pace, they want to see the

(13:14):
way they play, they want to see Oklahoma City. They
really want to see these guys play. So I think
if you got a star on your team, it doesn't
make a difference what market you're in.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Period. That's it.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
Yeah, And now I'll say this, Halliburton has become a star.
Remember he was on the latest iteration of the Dream Team.
Didn't play much for Steve Kerr in the Olympics, but
he certainly was there, so he has a higher profile.
The other thing about the Pace is the Pacers have
embraced this chatty, comical anti and maybe they're antagonists when

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it comes to kind of poking the bear a little bit.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
He made the justice early on.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
Halliburton did after that first game when he did the
choke symbol, which drew some interest. They're not afraid to
kind of yuck it up. I kind of call them
the chatty Pacers, Like they chat they kind of bark
and do all that other stuff. But you have that
combined with their style of play, because their style of
players entertaining.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
I mean, it's up and down. You see them.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
Shoot threes, but they also defend. But they defend in
what I would say a unique way. We just haven't
seen teams play other And then on the other side, Sga,
Chet Holmgren, Will Williams, the young guys that Oklahoma City
has man they can get after it, and they also
play a very similar brand of basketball. When these two

(14:34):
teams get together, we know we're going to see a
high schooling affair, but we're also going to have an
opportunity to appreciate some of the young talent that has
often overlooked because they play in small markets.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Right, and you got the MVP of the league SGA's
you mentioned it's gonna be probably going against Halliburton one
on one a public outing each other. So there's some
drama there, there's some side stories if you will, and
it's gonna be great, it really is.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
So you know, I'm looking forward to it. I'm gonna
watch it.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
But again, you know, the longer the NBA playoffs go,
the closer against the football. And we're in June now,
today's June first, so you know, they got to do something.
They've lost Christmas Day. I don't know how they're going
to do that. I have not heard yet from the commissioner,
Adam Silver. I mentioned that they should play in those
outdoor markets for Christmas Day. He probably took my letter

(15:19):
and threw in the garbage. But you know, if he
does ride me back, you know, I will inform you
and everybody else. But you know, I just think that
I remember I looked this up the other day. The
NBA playoffs years back. Memorial Day was over.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
It was all over. I mean, the whole thing was over.
I just think it's too long.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
The fans and basically people don't have that attention span
to do seven game series, you know, for division finals,
semi division final, quarterfinals, then then the big deal is
seven games, No the three out of five and I
know that'll ever happened because these people want that extra
money and.

Speaker 2 (15:54):
It's not going to happen. But people just don't.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
They don't have the time to sit through seven games again.
I mean, now, we got wait till Thursday, June fifth,
for the finals to start. I mean, come on, it's
just too long. It's great basketball, it really is. You
don't see basketball like this during the regular season. But
come on, I mean, shortened it just a little bit.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Please.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
Look, we go to get glasses, they say glasses done
in an hour, fast food. Everything right now in our
society is quick, fast, whatever. Except the NBA Playoffs. They're
stretched out. I don't get it.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Well, they're stretched out because they're trying to get into
the June sweep States market.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
That's why it stretched out. They're trying to stretch it
all the way out.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
That's why they made a concerned effort to make sure
they extended beyond Memory Day. I do understand it. And
one of the reasons why I wanted the Knicks to
win last night was because of what you talked about.
I wanted it to stretch out because I knew, if
any other one you won't see another NBA game until Thursday.
And let's be honest, my mind is not quite wrapped
around baseball yet. So I haven't turned my eye to

(16:52):
baseball and I'm not looking forward to that being my
only option when it comes to what I can watch
on TV.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
But I'll get there eventually, as I always get there.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
But I'm more of a baseball consumer from July through
the World Series as opposed to, Oh, I'm gonna look
at all of these baseball games from April long.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
You know how I knew the Knicks were going to
lose last night during the game, I think they had
like in the right hand corner of the TV screen,
they had Kenny the Jet and Charles. They were talking
about some gambling aspect, and you know, Kenny was saying, Charles,
are we going back to New York? Are we going
back to Charles? Yeah, we're going back. I said, Oh
my gosh, oh my goodness. You know, Destiny your death.

(17:32):
But he never went to bed. Charles never wins.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
You believe, you believe in the curse. You believe in
the curse.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I believe in everything. I carry a horseshoe around. I mean,
come on, whatever it takes, I do, That's what I do.
So I don't know. But can you believe that the
first segment today of our show we didn't mention the
w NBA. Could you believe that? I can't believe it. Really,
I think we've done the last two weeks. I mean,
but I saw Caitlin in the crowd last night with

(17:59):
a lay of Boston sitting there on the sidelines, so
she was watching the game.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
We'll see, you know.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
And now I'm saying the league is basically the stories
I'm reading right now, the league's gonna fold because she's
not playing. What I worry about? And you could tell
me this because you played the game and you have
injuries and you know you suffer through them. I don't
know what she basically had, but you know when you
have something like that, is it reoccurring, will happen again?
Or after these two weeks when she's sitting out and

(18:25):
Collins back should be good to go.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean, look, she has a question.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
She has to take care of it because the thing
with those strains and stuff, you're going to make sure
that you give yourself an opportunity.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
To get fully healthy.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
And she can't rush back despite one to be there
for a teammate. She has to make sure that she's
right and ready, and the n and Fever have to
be able to move on without their star player. I
think what we have an opportunity to do is really
appreciate what she brings to the team with her being out.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
It's not just about her hitting logo threes.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
It's about the way that she runs the team as
the point guard, at the number of assists, the little
things that she does to up everybody else elevate their games.
That's where we're having an opportunity to see with the
Fever and ask Stephanie White, is transitioning this team like
getting used to playing without their star It only will
make them better when they get into the postseason, because

(19:19):
there could be a game in the playoffs where and
she's saddled with files and they have to play without her.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Right there you go. I to tell you what I'm
happy now.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
I want to congratulate the Indiana Paces because I'm so
happy for the city of Indianapolis, happy for the people
that listen to us in WNDE twelve sixty AM in Indianapolis.
And more than that, I'm happy that my good friend
Brian Shapiro at Shapiro's Delhi in Indianapolis is going to
get some tremendous business right now. Really, they're going to
find out how great Shapiro's Deli. They talk about the

(19:46):
big Delis in New York City, in La Shapiro's Delhi
is right there.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
I promise you. All right, So, Brian Shapiro, how are you?
That's great? We love you, we love the paces. We
move on, all.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Right, he's Bucket Brooks. Get him on X at Bucky Brooks.
All right, if you ever ate at Shapiro's I'd love
to hear from you too, or you can get me
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Lineup today as always, ask Bucky and Patty. Patrick's gonna
help us?

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Patrick? Are you there? Are you there? Are you?

Speaker 5 (20:18):
I'm here?

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Are you gonna help us with ask Bucky today?

Speaker 6 (20:20):
Hmmm?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
It depends. Okay, okay, we got ya O n A.

Speaker 3 (20:25):
You'll help us with that at ur number two in
the blame game, in our number three. But right now,
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I don't know what we talk about more lately, the
WNBA or Aaron Rodgers. Okay, because this Aaron Rodgers saga

(21:52):
continues or does it?

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Is it over? Bucky Brooks?

Speaker 7 (21:55):
You know?

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Is the Aaron Rodgers thing over? Is it continuing? What's
happening with this clown?

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Really?

Speaker 1 (22:02):
I mean, look, I don't know if anyone knows.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
I mean, there's a great assumption that he's going to
end up with the Pittsburgh Steelers, But the more the
clock ticks, the more you wonder if he really is
going to play there. At some point, you want to
give your team an opportunity to adjust and adapt to
the new franchise quarterback coming in. And here we are
in June waiting for Aaron Rodgers to make a decision
on where he's gonna play and where he's going to

(22:25):
play just makes it very, very hard to operate. I
understand that he's dealt with some personal things, some family
deals this offseason in terms of family challenges in those things.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
But I mean in the.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
National Football League, like players play, and so he has
to make a decisions quickly if he's going to play,
because they have wasted a lot of the offseason program
not knowing who their QB one is going to be.
So it certainly doesn't do the Pittsburgh Steelers any favors.

Speaker 3 (22:53):
Well, he claims that, and what I've written reports of
it I've read is Stellers hope he signs with them. Okay,
why the question is he worth it? I mean, and
what happens now to the remainder of the roster, because
I'm sure the roster right now going to the OTAs
they're split. They're talking about it in the locker room.
Are we going to get him? Are we not going
to get him? There are some I'm sure that want him,

(23:15):
some don't want him. And what does it do for
a guy like Mason Rudolph who really wants a shot.
He was there before, he was in Tennessee. Now he's
back in Pittsburgh. I mean, does he look forward to
his Rogers coming because that's going to push him down
the depth chart even more so. This whole thing is
like a domino effect. It's not just as Stealers and
Aaron Rodgers. There's like fifty three other guys involved here.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it's a team thing.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
And then somewhere inside, like within the brain trust, you
got to have a loose deadline for like, hey, we
will participate in this thing until this point, and then
after that we got to be out. We need to
figure out who our guys are going to be. For
Mike Domlin and managing the team, you manage the team
the same way you were managing with or without Aaron

(23:59):
Rodgers to start building and focusing on three things at
this time of year. Look, it's gonna be the fitness
to fundamentals and eventually building a family within their group.
Those things things can still exist with what without Aaron
Rodgers being in the fold. So it's just important that
they are on it in terms of that and that
they get it kind of get it right.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Is it worth it? Though?

Speaker 3 (24:21):
I mean, you know, couldn't the Stealers just say tomorrow
you know what? You know, training camps right around the corner.
You know, we don't want you because it's just too
late and there's too many things in play.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right now. Sorry, you should have made the decision earlier.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Or they've got to believe that maybe he's that much
of an important cog to their team at the age
of forty years old.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
I mean, is that the case, you know?

Speaker 1 (24:48):
When I think about it, I don't.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
Look, I don't he's certainly he's not the same as
he once was, and the last year has some change.
Of watching him with the Jets, you can see the
client and rapidly. I understand the appeal for Pittsburgh because
you want the veteran, the four time MVP to come
and save you, stabilize the situation. But I don't know
if you can play, and I don't know how much
different he would be than Russell Wilson. Granted they got

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to the playoffs with Russell Wilson primarily operating as a starter,
but I think they're one and the same at this
stage of their career. He'll give them the experience, the pedigree,
and some of the cachet they want.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I don't know if he can give them the game
to elevate them to the next level.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
I read a quote the other day from Aaron Rodgers,
and I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Maybe you could help me.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
He's just quote, I don't think this from Aaron Rodgers,
I don't think it was fair to the Steelers or
anyone to make a decision while I'm dealing with a
lot off the field. What do you mean it's not
fair to the stealer? Yeah, you know, you're holding up
an NFL franchise on moving forward with their future.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
It's not fair for them to make a decision. Who
the hell do you think you are? I mean, really,
the statement is.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
That, well, I think he's saying it's not fair to
him to give the Steelers decision if he really doesn't
know if he can get all the way back in
the circle, meaning that he's willing to do all the
stuff that's necessary to be a top quarterback in this league,
and if he doesn't know because he is distracted by
some family situations. In those things, it's admirable that he

(26:18):
didn't sign with the Steelers, didn't stay away. However, he
has to understand that if the Steelers finally come to
them say man, we moved on, we wish you well,
he can't be mad at them because he held up
their process significantly with his indecisiveness when it came to,
wanted to play, and where they wanted to play in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Okay, the Pittsburgh Steelers begin their mandatory mini camp a
week from Tuesday, which is June tenth.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
If he's not there by, then what do you do?
Do you move on?

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Because I think Art Rooney the Second, who was the
president of the Steelers, he's the guy more than anyone
else who wants them. I'm not so sure Mike Tomlin
wants him. Well, I haven't heard already any thing about
Mike Tomlin yay or nay on Aaron Rodgers. It's all
about Art Rooney the Second.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
Well, because I think Mike Tomlins is in the position
that he has to kind of take a neutral stance
on it, because he wants to be able to stand
in front of the team and say, hey, if Mason
Rudolph as a quarterback, we can win with Mason Rudolph.
We were three and zero with him the last time
he was the starting quarterback here that was twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
He led us into the postseason. We can rock with him.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
So he doesn't want to get caught up into looking
like and Aaron Rodgers apologists in front of his team
because if Aaron Rodgers doesn't show up when he says
something favorable for Mason Rudolph, he's now lost his credibility
because he was all the on Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You know, it's funny.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
I remember mentioning this to you way back when, and
I remember when Mason Rudolph was playing for Oklahoma State.
I love the guy, and you even said that you
liked him PLU too. So this is one of the
things that we agreed on. I would like to see
Aaron Rodgers not signed and give the reins to Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I think he could get the job. I really do.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I think Mason Rudolph, given time and knowing the job
is his, I think that he could be successful at least.
I'm not saying he's one of those franchise quarterbacks, but
he's a serviceable quarterback and you could win with the
guy one hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
You definitely can win with him.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
And I think you have to understand who he is
and what he is the Pittsburgh Steelers, No, I want
to say. During that stretch when he led them to
the postseason, he had a remarkable run. He completed over
seventy three percent of his passes, I mean, didn't turn
the ball over, had a passer rating.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
One to eighteen.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
I mean, he was really really solid for the stillers.
Those numbers would come down if he stretched it out
over the course of the season. But the way this
team is trying to position itself, they want to run
the football, they want to push the ball down the
field on play action, and they want to dominate on defense.
Regards to who's a quarterback, they can get that done
with Mason Rudolph. They can get it done with another quarterback.

(28:53):
That's their brand. That's how they want to play, that's
how they can operate.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah, and reports say that during the first week of
OTA's in pitch or they say that Mason ruff look okay,
But look, you and I both know OTAs mean nothing.
They don't rush the quarterback. It's just basically calistenis right.
I mean, what do you learn. What can you learn
in the first week of OTAs. I mean, they learned
the playbook, they learned the places. But you know, there's

(29:17):
no pressure on any quarterback whatsoever. So how do you
tell the guys doing well?

Speaker 4 (29:23):
I mean, you just want to look at it for
what it is. I mean it's phase through the process
competitive practices in terms of like you can put eleven
on eleven offense versus defense. You can see the mastery
of the playbook.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
You can see how.

Speaker 4 (29:37):
They're executing what you're asking them to execute in this phase.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
But that's all. But you can't say that there's a
direct correlation between.

Speaker 4 (29:46):
How someone performed in OTAs versus how they can perform
in the regular season because the pads and the physical
part of the game is a huge element to being successful.
It just gives you, like a little tasty cake, just
a little preview as to it what it could be,
But it doesn't guarantee that the meal is going to
be exactly perfect.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Okay, Now the downside with the Pittsburgh steel is now
they say they're monitoring the kirk Cousins situation in Atlanta.
Please please, I mean that I would rather see Mason
Rudolph at quarterback than Kirk Cousins. I really he had
a terrible year. List hear kirk Cousins right. I know
he was coming off an injury as well, but he
just doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
He was bad, not bad as yeah, bad as bad.
And if if you're not playing well, then our job
is to call you out on it. And he wasn't
playing well. He didn't look like a guy that had
a lot left in the tank. I mean he went
through a stretch. I think he had one touchdown in
eight or nine interceptions or giveaways. That's certainly not going

(30:45):
to get it done in Pittsburgh. Number one decide in
fact in winning games turnovers and if you turn it over,
it's not good for you. And he's ready for the opponent.
Kirk Cousins doesn't give him anything. I think Mason Rudolph
would be a better option than Kirk Cousins at this point,
even though Kirk and has had a significantly better career
at this stage, which is what team builders and.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Evaluate us have to do right now.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
I can't say to Kirk Cousins walks in the door
being regarded as a better player than Mason Rudolf.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
And I'm going to tell you something honestly that hurts
me to say that and hear that from you, And
I tell you why. I don't know Kirk Cousins from Adam.
I seen him play. I never met the guy, but
I did see him on hard knocks, and when I
saw him on hard Knocks. I just I said, this
guy's a real likable guy. I think he's a good teammate.
I mean maybe I'm wrong. I mean you know better

(31:33):
than I. I mean, I'm sure you've talked people around
the league. He seems to be a good teammate, a
good dad, good husband, just a nice guy. And I
really liked the guy. I like watching him on Hard Knocks.
Remember did you see that on Hard Knocks when he
was there like two years ago.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
I think it was just.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
A good guy, good guy.

Speaker 4 (31:51):
Well, I mean like good guys. I mean, good guys work,
but good guy's got to be able to play. That's
everybody the expectation. You got to be able to play
like the league doesn't care if you're a good guy back.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
You have to be able to perform when you get
your chance.

Speaker 4 (32:02):
And for both of those quarterbacks that we talked about,
Mason Rudolf has shown it in a short sample size.
Kirk Cousins has shown it over his career, but not
of late. Regardless, if they decide to bring in the latter,
I mean, I would still think that the former Mason
Rudolph would be a better option for them, given what
he knows in the chemistry that he's already established with

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his teammates.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Okay, here's the big question, here's the sixty one thousand
dollars questions. All right, Say they bring in demand Aaron
Rodgers and they bring him in late all right. I
looked this up, and maybe I'm way off base. When
Brett Farv signed with the Minnesota Vikings, he was forty
years old and he's signed like.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
In mid August.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Do you remember that when he went to the Vikings
And he had a hell of a year with the Vikings.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
So maybe it's maybe it's not that important. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
I mean, if Rodgers comes in in mid August after
missing two preseason games, perhaps, I mean, could it get done.

Speaker 4 (33:00):
Well, here's what I would It can get done. But
it's a selfish act, right. So part of training, camping,
part of what you're doing this time of years, you're
building the chemistry and the camaraderie. And for him, if
he's capable and able to go, he needs to be
in there because the quarterback is the de facto leader
of the team and there's so many things that run

(33:23):
through the quarterback that you would like to give yourself
every opportunity not only to master the system, but to
master the personnel around you. It's a relationship game, and
if you're not there, you can't build those relationships. To me,
if he waits that long before he signs, it's another
it's another thing that just kind of reveals who he

(33:44):
is as a player, you know. And so hopefully if
he can get past the personal issues, the family issues
that have prevented him from making a decision early in
the off season, he needs to come in. The work
isn't necessarily what has done on the field, but the chemistry.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
And the Kmarodi. They need to get that together if
he's gonna be just starting quarterbacking.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
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(34:29):
coming right up. It's about twelve minutes before the top
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Fox Sports Ready. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy Firman and
you know what gonna live from the Fox Sports Radio studio.
So you know, I've been rather selfish over the last
several months. You know, we do these little segments here
as Bucky and the blame Game and Yaona, and it's
all about me, and it shouldn't be that way. We
have a team here, and Patty, you may be jumping

(34:52):
in at times.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I know that, So get get ready, get ready, I'm ready,
I'm ready. Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
I got a question though for Bucky Brooks, and here
we go. The president of the NCAA is proposing a
seventy sixteen field for the College Division one basketball Championship
as soon as next season.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Your thoughts on.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
That too many teams?

Speaker 4 (35:12):
Everybody can't go, like everyone doesn't get a participation trophy,
Like I love March Madness, but I don't want seventy
plus teams like you already have too many with sixty
eight should have been sixty four or stay at sixty four.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
That's the number either year in or year out.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
So I could not agree anymore. I love that. I'm
so happy you said that. You know you play for
so what does it mean to even win. You know,
a league championship. A league title doesn't mean anything. You're
gonna get teams in there with some five hundred records. Now,
I mean, I don't want to see it. I really don't.
But it's all about the Greenbacks, That's what it is. Next,
how much would you spend Bucket Brooks for a ticket

(35:45):
to a sporting event, any sporting event, what's the limit
for you?

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I probably spend up to right around two hundred dollars
depending on the sporting event. I'm not gonna go crazy.
I'm not gonna spend anything over that because it's gonna
be on TV, so I'm just not I mean, I
love the personal experience being at the game, but yeah,
two hundred dollars is pretty much run limit.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
You know, I didn't understand why you wouldn't run a
lay on your couch and watch on TV. I got
buddies here in the area where I live now, in
northern Kentucky and Cincinnati that are from New York and
I loved the Knicks, and they drove out to Indianapolis
to see the Knicks play.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
They made two.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
Point fifty for a ticket. I don't know where they
were sitting really didn't even ask. Plus parking right, and
a tank of gas is like one hundred hundred and
ten miles from Cincinnati to Indianapolis and come back said, wait,
what are your nuts? And then the game ends ten o'clock.
You're getting home one one thirty in the morning. I
could lay on my couch and watch the game. I
don't get it, but you know, to each his own.

(36:48):
And there's a market, I guess, and people love it
and they want to be there. They say they were there,
they got You know what, here's the thing in this
day and age, you can't even get a ticket stuff
to show someone that you were there as proof because
everything just show your phone it's electronic and go in right.
I mean back in the day, you'd save the ticket
stuff and say, hey, remember this game.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I went to this game. They don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
No, they don't do that anymore. It's a different time.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Sure is all right.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
The w NBA has already expanded to Toronto and San Francisco.
Now they're talking Detroit. Will it be too much too soon?

Speaker 1 (37:23):
No? I don't think it'd be too much too soon.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
We get to remember, like old school BNBA fans would
know that the Detroit Shock was a dominant team. They
won a few championships up there, so yeah, bring them back.
They should be back. They should have already been back.
Should have never gone anywhere. Damn in the Cleveland Rockers
like they should have all of them.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I think there was a team in Tulsa too, and
they fold and they went to Houston.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I think I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Okay, what is no here's the thing you've been around.
You're a traveling man, a renaissance kind of guy. What
is the best sports city in America?

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Best sports city and America?

Speaker 4 (38:02):
It has to be La right, it has to be Dodgers, Lakers,
you think, Clippers, Angels, No, not really, Rams have the
most sports. I would say the best sports city would
kind of lean towards maybe Chicago in the middle of
Midwest because the Cubs, the Bears, the Bulls.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
I know, j To Dame.

Speaker 3 (38:23):
Really you've got to consider they're kind of close to Chicago.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Which city, No Ju Dame, mate?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I mean they got college sports, they got the Big Ten,
they got Northwestern there, so I.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
Mean Chicago, they do have Northwestern Indiana. I mean Notre
Dame would count for them.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Yeah, all right, your choice the next big sport explosion
in our country right now, and obviously I got to
the WNBA is doing that right now. But women's hockey,
women's soccer, pro lacrosse or flag football.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
I think flag football has a chance, but I don't
think it'll catch. I think lacrosse is interesting because that
has kind of made its way out west. It's become
more of a national game than a regional game. Let's
go with pro lacrosse have an opportunity to explode.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, I want to go back a little second here
on the flag football situation. I don't know if the
public realizes this, but the USA already has a flag
football team, and it seems to me like they want
to dismantle that and let NFL players be available for
twenty twenty eight in LA for the Olympics and let
them play, right. So, it doesn't make any sense, and

(39:35):
I don't think there's a great transition. Because you're a
good NFL player doesn't mean you're gonna be a good
flag football player.

Speaker 4 (39:39):
Right, Yeah, but they're trying to grow the game, and
no disrespect to the guys that are currently on the
USA roster, we don't know them, so How can you
grow the game without knowing the personnel? If you have
Pat Mahomes and Tyreek Hill and some of the other
stars on the flag football team, you got a greater
chance of other people outside of our country watching those games.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Did I hear Patty's voice?

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (40:04):
Yeah, I got a quick one for you, Bucky. Since
you're the big football aficionado, do you think Vikings quarterback
JJ McCarthy's more likely to be franchise quarterback or game manager?

Speaker 5 (40:16):
What do you think you better?

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Hold that?

Speaker 1 (40:17):
Hold it game manager? How you a game manager? Okay?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
One position in sports that means something. We'll tell you
all about it next. All right, this parent needs to
get married real soon. We'll tell you why in just
about a minute. Now, Good morning, everybody. It is Fox
Sports Sunday, Fox Sports. Already he's Bucket Brooks. I'm Andy Ferman,
and we're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Readyo studios.
And of course he's the man, my partner, my friend,

(40:43):
the man who knows all football. You know, you won't
know anything about football. You don't need to go to
an encyclopedia or Google. You got Bucket Brooks here. He
is my guy. Bucky Brooks. How you doing.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
I'm good man, what's going on?

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Everything's great, And I think right now we got to
look forward to the NBA Finals which is next Thursday,
and SGA is going against Tyres Halliburton. That's gonna be
the big draw, I guess, and right now, I guess
we're gonna make our predictions. I'm gonna say right now,
Oklahoma City is probably this slight favorite. The game is
in Oklahoma City on Thursday, and one of the things
that's gonna decide I think the outcome of this series

(41:17):
is the depth. I think Oklahoma City is a team
that uses eight to nine guys, and as far as
the Pacers are concerned, you know, they got two guys
that score. If they don't score, they're not gonna win,
and those are Halliburton and Pascal Siakam, who was the
MVP of the recent series when they beat the Knicks
last night.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Yeah, I don't know. Look, I think this is a
very even matchup. I think this one goes seven. SGA,
the MVP might be the decided in fact, they're in this,
but it's gonna be hard for me to after watching
the Pagers and watching how they disrupt the rhythm in
the cadence of everyone's offense with their four court pressure
to go against them.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Halliburton is interesting because he.

Speaker 4 (42:01):
Is a guy who we kind of fall we fall
in love with his scorn, but really when he's at
his best is when he's kind of directing the show,
putting up buckets, but also make sure everyone gets a
little bit of in the action when it comes to
the assists to rebouncing those things. I'm gonna go seven,
but I'm gonna go Pacers in seven as opposed to Okay, see.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
You know I in a way again, I'm gonna say
I was wrong. I said that basically the NBA TV
executives they want to see Oklahoma City, the I want
to see small markers like in Thedianapolis. I'm wrong on that,
and I'll tell you something else. It reminded me back
in the day. And you may not even remember this
as going way back when ABC had the games on
two o'clock Eastern on Sundays, who was Chris Shankle doing

(42:44):
the games and it was always the Celtics and Lakers,
and we didn't get a good chance to see anybody else. Now,
I think Americas get a chance to see Oklahoma City.
Oklahoma City has not really been on TV that much
that they just not. I mean they deserve to be,
but they just have not been. It's always been Steph
Curry's a Golden State that's been with Lebron in LA.
I get it, Okay, people want to see that. But

(43:05):
now the emerging stars will be on TV. It was
great to see Minnesota. They lost, but everybody got to
see the ad Man play. So I mean, right now
we'll see Haller Burton play. It'll be great. So I'm
kind of happy now that these two teams are in.
I'm a little sad the Knicks aren't they and I
was pulling for them. But you know, we'll see two
teams that basically America has not really seen before.

Speaker 4 (43:26):
Yeah, we will get a chance to see two teams
that America hasn't seen in terms of just how these
guys are able to get down and make it happen.
And I would say, like two teams that are really teams.
You know, we can talk about the headliners and the
notable guys, but really this is a team that's devoid
of stars. They kind of get it done. They get
it done in their own way and they make it happen,

(43:48):
you know, as the collective, not just like one or
two individuals going after it. They really do a good
job of playing as a group. And in playing as
a group, man, they overwhelmed you with a depth of the.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Talent, There's no doubt. And they got guys that are
blue collar guys. I mean, guys that get dirty and
they play hard. They're Jalen Williams, hit Chet, Holme, Groom
and the kid Caruso. These guys are just you know,
guys that the diggers. They just play, you know, no superstars.
It's go out there, get the job done. This way
it is, I mean, and we'll see what happens. And
I'd like to see Indianapolis win, but I think Oklahoma

(44:22):
seeing maybe the slight favorite.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
And you say seven games, that'd be great. I'd love
to see seven games.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
But I'm moving along right now to the NFL because
when June comes, basically kind of football gets even closer.
So I'm gonna commend you as I always do, but
even more so today you may have just done your
best work on NFL dot Com.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
I read you every week. As matter of fact, I
don't think you were there last week. It took a
week off, am I correct?

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Break break.

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I'm not chastising you for that, and you can deserve it. Okay,
you say there are five new quarterback play caller duos
and the NFL defenses should be worried about these. Okay,
this was one hell of a research project. Really, I
wouldn't even attempt to do this. How do you do
the research on these play callers? I guess offensive coordinator

(45:10):
as a quarterback, coaches and the quarterbacks they're going to
be working with, how did you get to this?

Speaker 2 (45:14):
How did you do research on this? And then we'll
get into it.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
So what you do is like is the marriage, right,
It's the marriage between the quarterback and the play caller.
So what you do is you look at the quarterback,
You think about the strengths and weaknesses and what they've
done when you see them in their best either in.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
The league or as college players.

Speaker 4 (45:34):
And then you think about the track record of the
play caller and you look at where he comes from,
what he's been around, what he knows, who's associated with,
what are the odds of them trying to do similar
things in this vein? And then you kind of listen
to the posts I mean the depressors. The press conference
is how they talk about those players progressing within those systems,

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and you try and project out how they're going to
eventually play with the moves that have been done in
the offseason to helup the teams get up and going. So, look,
it's a lot of speculation, a lot of guess work
that comes to it.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
But it was fun. It was fun to take on
this project.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
All right.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
So before we get involved, here's a couple of questions
I have because you bring them to light. How important
is the offensive coordinator's relationship with the quarterback? Do teams
actually draft the quarterback with the offensive coordinator in mind?

Speaker 2 (46:25):
Then?

Speaker 3 (46:25):
You know, we look at the Chicago Bears with Ben Johnson,
who's with the Lions. Does he say to himself, I
don't know if I want to move along and work
with this quarterback Caleb Williams, because you know, he's not
my kind of guy, my style, what I want to do.
He doesn't have the skill set to do that. Does
this that happen or you know, guys say, look it's

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a better job for me, I'm getting more money. I
got a chance to be a head coach. One day,
what's the deal on that.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Sometimes it happens that most definitely can happen, and it
can be a problem. You would like the offensive coordinator
to be adaptable enough to work with anybody, but sometimes
there's a clear.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Does a clear path for how do you want to operate?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
You know, they're people that kind of suit their skills,
guys that are better for them than for others.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
So yeah, like that happens. It happens all the time.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
Okay, So if that's the case, how much input then
does the offensive coordinator have in selecting a quarterback, you know,
either drafting or a free agent or trade? I mean,
does he get involved in the conversation. Look, we're looking
at Pittsburgh right now, Aaron Rodgers on the outside looking in,
and Arn't Rooney the second the owner. All he does

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is talk about he wants Aaron Rodgers. I don't know
anything from Mike Tomlin and I certainly have not heard
anything a peep at the offensive coordinator in Pittsburgh that
he would like to work or not like to work
with Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I mean, look, all those things are in play, and
everyone has to be willing to work with anybody because
depending on the chain of command in terms of who
has to juice is the head coach or the GM.
They have final decision making power on who comes on
the team, who sticks onto the team. Ultimately, you want
everyone to be on the same page. It should be

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done as collective, not just as individuals. Doesn't always happen
like that. It's really critical that the offensive coordinator is
in lockstep with the head coach and or GM because
he's the expert when it comes to looking at quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
They're going to lean on him in his eye.

Speaker 4 (48:29):
To tell them whether a guy has to potentially be
a franchise quarterback if he's just a QB two or
a borderline fringe guy that might be a high end
game manager that can start in some situations but will
be better as a backup in others.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Okay, help me out with this.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
The relationship between the offensive coordinator on a team and
the quarterback coach on a team.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Quarterback coach has no say.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
In what kind of plays a cold is that it,
I mean, what is their relationship?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
The relationship is a quarterback coaches the buffer between the
play caller and the quarterback, and his job is to
take some of the messages from both sides and deliver
room to the other party. So if the play caller
offensive coordinator wants something done, sometimes you'll whisper it to
the quarterback coach, and the quarterback coach would be the

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one to tell the quarterback same thing. When the quarterback
see something that he likes, he may tell his coach,
who would then relay it to the offensive coordinator. A
lot of it depends on how the staff is set up,
the chemistry and the connectivity between the staff, and can
everyone be on the same page.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
Are we all on point? Are we all together?

Speaker 4 (49:37):
Do we all agree or have an alignment on the
vision of the offense to team and how the quarterback
should play?

Speaker 3 (49:44):
Okay, now, I think I mentioned this too way back when,
but I want to bring it up again because I
think egos become involved big time. And what I mean
by that. You got a quarterback and that's kind of
an ego position. I don't care who you are, you
have to have a big ego because you have the
face of the franchise.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Back is the position in the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Okay, a quarterback who's going to take I guess commands
if you will from a quarterback coach who really and
truly never played the game, who has no track record whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
That's gonna be tough.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
And I saw that firsthand way back when when Boomer
Asiasin was the quarterback of the Cincinnati Bengals and Data
Bible was the quarterback coach. I know, there was like
oil or its assault in whatever and an open whatever
it was, you know, but Boomer did not get along
with Dana Bible. And for whatever the reason, maybe because

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he thought that what does Dana Bible? No, he never
played the game, or he did, but he wasn't as
good as me. How can he tell me what to do?
That happens more than once. I would believe egos.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
Yeah, I mean ego certainly plays a big part in
all of it.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Unfortunately it happens. But guys need to be on the
same page. And I will say this.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
One of the things that happens when you are a player.

Speaker 4 (51:05):
Early in your tenurement, become a player, you look at
the media guy and you look at all your coaches
and you see their experiences, You see who they've coached,
where they've coached, You look at where they played.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Sometimes when you are a player.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
And you see that your coach either hasn't played at
a prominent place, hasn't played at a high level, or
hasn't played at all. It can be harder for you
to initially trust in the information that he's given you,
and he then has to earn that trust by telling
you things that eventually play out, whether it's showing you

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a technique, whether it's giving you a tip or a
clue that helps you make a play on a ball.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
That trust is slowly earned.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
When you are a guy who is playing for a
former player. Initially, and it doesn't mean that it always
says the same. Initially, there's a little credibility that's given
to the former player.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Now that's it.

Speaker 4 (52:02):
They can lose that credibility quickly if they can't teach,
they can't instruct, they can't coach.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
The ill prepared, all of those things.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
But it is a difference in terms of the initial
reaction to who's coaching you, given whether they played or not,
and what they've done along the way in the journey.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
It's funny you mentioned that because in football, I see
that and it happens often. We'll get to that in
a second, But in baseball it's usually the journeyman, the
guy who's not played who becomes a great manager.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
Think about that. I mean, guys, I mean I remember
when I was a kid.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
But the Yankees it was Hank Bauer, believe the Major
He didn't do much in the major leagues, but he
was a tremendous and I know he had a great team,
but he was a great manager. And great managers in
Major League Baseball have usually been journeyman.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
But in the National.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
That's the same thing too.

Speaker 4 (52:54):
Now, what we're saying is, so there's a difference between
being a star, a journeyman, and someone who never played
in the league, Like, there are different levels to it. Normally,
You're right, the journeyman tends to be the better coach
because the journeyman had to learn everything to be able
to stay and carve out a career. Yeah, the star

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was so talented that they may have been able to
skip steps, which is why sometimes great players can't be
great coaches, because things that were very easy to them
are very hard hard for the common man, and so
their frustration stems from, man, I don't understand why you
can't do it.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I used to do this all the time.

Speaker 4 (53:36):
The journeyman has a little more relatability to the player
because he had to learn all the steps along the way,
sometimes multiple positions along the way. And they tend to
be better teachers because they had to pull from a
more expansive knowledge base to help themselves carve out a career.

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Ted Williams may have been the greatest hitter ever in
Major League Baseball.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
He was not a great man.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
He won, I think once when he was in Washington,
but other than that because he expected everybody to do
what he did.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
He made it look so easy to hit. He thought
everybody could do the same way.

Speaker 3 (54:09):
Tito Francona, who's the manager of the Cincinnati Reds right now,
will be a Hall of Fame manager one day. Not
a great player, not a Hall of Fame player, but again,
studied the game and is and has been. Has a
great track record with the Red Sox, in the Cleveland
Indians and Guardians whatever. Okay, so he was I considered
not a journeyman, but not a Hall of Fame player,

(54:30):
and he's a great manager. Let's look at the NFL.
Andy Reid. Was he a great player a Hall of
Fame player? I don't think so. Marv Leavy, Bill Belichick,
Mike Tomlin, all these guys have been tremendous coaches.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Tremendous coaches.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
They have been and the connection like I don't look,
I don't think any of those guys played at the
highest level. But the thing that helped him because I
can speak for Andy Reid personally, when I was in
Green Bay playing from ninety five to ninety seven parts
of those seas since Andy Reid was first the tight
end coach while he also was the head of the

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scout team, and when Andy Reid got the job in
Philadelphia as the head coach, it was still unprecedented that
he made this change. But Andy Reid went from being
a player who a coach who never called plays during
his tenure in Green Bay to being the head coach
and the primary play caller in Philadelphia. And what he

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was able to do during his time at Green Bay
he sat and watched. He watched John Gruden and Mary
Yucci and Ray Sherman, not Ray Sherman, Sherman Lewis. All
of those guys maned the offensive coordinated position, and he
learned and operated under them while also seeing Mike Cromebrun
who was a game day play caller do it. He
took all of those experiences and really worked hard at

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the craft and became and is arguably the best play
caller in football and may go down as the greatest
head coach in football when it's all said and done,
so you can go about a different pass. It's just
the initial credibility sometimes tends to go to the former
player over the guy that didn't play. But once you
get in the league, it's about what you do. The
Marytoxy does play out.

Speaker 3 (56:10):
Okay, let's move in here the couple of situations you
wrote wrote about it because they want to give you
some credit. He Okay, can the new offensive coordinator make
a real difference in the quarterback play?

Speaker 2 (56:19):
But he doesn't have the skill set.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
If he can't get it done, you know, I don't
care who the offensive coordinet is. You got Ben Johnson
now in Chicago with the Beers, with Caleb Williams now,
obviously the offensive line's got to be a factor too.
I mean, and they got as you mentioned, they got
Jonah Jackson there and Drew Donmond. They got some additions
on that front line, which is going to help the
protection of Caleb Williams. But again, He's got to change

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his attitude too. He didn't want to go there in
the first place. In the book that he wrote, remember
he said that it's quarterback hell, and he kind of
backed off on that the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (56:49):
He did back off on that the other day. And
it is quarterback yo. It has been quarterback yo. That
has been proven. But look, he can succeed. Now here's
what has to happen. Ben Johnson is gonna coach from
hard and so you have to have the layers between
Ben Johnson and Kayla Williams. So it's not always just

(57:10):
the tongue lastings in those things. But he has high
standards and expectations. Kayler Williams may need that after operating
very loosey goosey programs prior to his arrival in Chicago.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Like look, Lincoln Raley, I can't say he runs the
tightest ship.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Then we saw last year Chicago wasn't the tightest ship.
Now he may have to adapt an adjust to something
that's not all about Kaylen Williams.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
We'll see. So yeah, it can happen.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
A good offensive coordinator can bring out the best in
the quarterback because what they can do is make you
hear people talk about quarterback.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
Friendly, make the scheme easily.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
Digestible for him while creating big play opportunities with minimum
work and effort from the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Okay, this is a given right here, because you got
Minnesota with JJ McCarthy who missed the last year with
that knee injury. But you got Kevin O'Connell who's got
a track wreck with Sam Donald's. So again, that's gonna
make JJ McCarthy feel pretty good because he's got to
be saying, hey, he did it for Sam.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
He's gonna do it for me.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think Dad has to do it.

Speaker 4 (58:11):
It goes beyond that he did with Kirk Cousins, he
did with Josh Dobbs, Nick Mullins.

Speaker 1 (58:15):
All those guys had bites at the apple and played.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Fairly well for Kevin O'Connell given their own individual talents.
But you have to feel hopeful and optimistic that JJ
McCarthy is going to play well given what Kevin O'Connor
was able to do with Sam Donald. When Sam Donald
got to Minnesota, he hadn't put up significant numbers. He
had been maddenly inconsistent, but he found a way to
carve it out where he was able to get one

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hundred million dollar contract, leaving Minnesota to.

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Go to the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 4 (58:43):
JJ McCarthy is as talented, maybe even more talented as
a dual threat player, a guy that can operate inside
and outside of the pocket. The challenge that you have
with McCarthy is just an experience. Only twenty eight collegiate
stars no NFL starts to date may take him a
while to a to the new game, but he has

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talent and he is won at a high level in college.
And when Jim harborugh I listened to it on the
podcasts says that, look, the guy that reminds me of
myself in the league would be JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
I tend to lean to that because Captain.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Comeback was a tremendous player for the Indianapolis calls.

Speaker 3 (59:20):
All right, now we got the Jets, and Justin Fields
just the other day came out with it.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
I get it.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
He's excited a new team they got to play, call
a new play caller in New York.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
He says he could be a star in New York.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
I mean, reel it in a little bit, Justin really,
I mean, come on, you're it's a bad team. But
you put down that Justin Fields and what the kind
of engstrands new play caller. You think they could make
some damage over there in New York. Go tell me why,
because Justin's got to reel it.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
In man. The other day, he had that big story.

Speaker 3 (59:48):
Coming out saying, I think I could be a star
in New York with the Jets.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
I mean, I don't know if he needs to really in,
if he truly believes it can happen.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
The only thing that matters is what he does.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
I like this, and I like this because to me,
this is the first time that Justin Fields is going
to go into a situation where he has truly embraced
as QB. One didn't really feel that since in Chicago
felt like they didn't always work with them, sometimes they
worked against them in terms of what they were putting in,
how they called them, how they manage them. In New York,

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he was the guy that was handpicked by Aaron Glenn.
Aaron Glenn had a tough time defending Justin Fields during
their matchups in the NFC North. He brings them in
and I'm sure that Aaron Glenn has told the offensive
coordinator I want to see the same guy that hurt us,
so I want him to run.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
I wanted to do.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
These things X Y and Z building an offense around
his strengths, and we're going because this is who we're
building around. I believe because of the full long commitment
to elevate justin fields, you'll see a better player. They
are going to elevate him and his connection with Garrett Wilson,
who he spent two seasons with at Ohio State, the
new connection with Mason Taylor, the running backs breeall Brayln Allen.

(01:01:00):
They have enough weapons in fire power around and for
hundred sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I'm glad to hear that we've got a couple of more.

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I want to get back to this justin Fields thing
because he says he's on the cusp of a breakout season.
This was after the Jets fifth Ota practice the other

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day and he says, quote, I think I could be great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
This is what he said. All right, that's been the
goal for me my whole life.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
I get it, all right, But that quote I think
I could be great, It's gonna bite him in the
rear end of the Jets open the season zero three
and he has five I nts. I just think that people,
and I know he's enthusiastic, he's excited. It's a new season,
fresh start, oc new team. But someone's gonna look, I

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was a PR guys to talk to these guys, Watch
what you say, it's going to come back and haunt you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
And honestly, will you play.

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Did the PR guy ever come over to you and
tell you that, Although in this day and age, it
doesn't make a difference, because even if the PR guy does,
you go home and get on your ex account and
say it yourself anyway, right, But did he do that
when you played?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
To just temper your emotions a.

Speaker 4 (01:03:19):
Little bit, A little bit, I mean, like, but there, Look,
I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with what justin
feel said, he just put himself out there, and you
have to be willing to deal with the smoke if
you did it. But I've never fought someone from being honest,
you know. I think he was trying to be honest
with his assessment and all those things. And as long

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as you're being honest and as long as you feel
good about what you're saying, like you can stand it
and live in it. Regardless of whether he said anything
or not, He's going to face the criticism, you know,
like he's going to be critiqued. He's going to you know,
he's going to get the heat from any and everybody.
So he just has to concert on what he can control.

(01:04:04):
And he can control the way that he goes after,
the way did he plays, the way did he attacks
the preparation process. If he does that, things will be good.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
It's funny because I took a different tactic as you
could imagine.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
When I was a PR guy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:19):
I worked for the fourthload of THELL Strikers in the
now defunct North American Soccer League.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
We had a pretty good team.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
We had some great players of George Best may he
rest in peace, and Gerd Mueller the bomber from Germany
and Gordon Banks, a one eyed goalkeeper. There's a lot
of good stories there. But Ron Newman was our coach
and we had a little bit of a losing streak.
So when that happened, obviously what happens that the wolves
come out of the woodwork newspaper guys and talk radio guys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And I had a kind of a gimmick and it
kind of worked.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
And now one guy on one of these radio stations
really ragging on Ron.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
May he rest in peace too.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
And I suggested, I said, coach, I said, why don't
we write a letter to this guy and say, look,
if you got a problem with me and the way
I coach what I'm doing, why don't you face me
and I'll come on your show and talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
Right, And he did. I mean he wrote that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
I mean, Ron was great because most of these guys
behind the microphone they never show up in the clubhouse,
they never do okay, So they have these big beer
muscles behind the microphone and they go crazy. So Ron
wrote the letter for my suggestion, and then the guy
called him up. I didn't think he would, but he did.
Ron was up there and the guy did a complete
one eighty. Really they became best of friends and that
was the end of the attacking. Really it works, it

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really does.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
It works.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
I mean, so we'll see what happens over there. Last,
but not least, cam Ward with Brian Callahan. He used
to be in Cincinnati with the Bengals. I think that's
gonna be a pretty good marriage caim Wood and Brian Callahan.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
Yeah, I think it has a chance to be a
pretty good marriage because cam Ward is talented, cam Ward
is tough, cam Ward is everything that they didn't have
in the quarterback room last year. Brian Callahan has been
around some of the best look he'd spent time with
Joe Burrow. I'm sure he wants this offense to kind
of operate much like sin Standy Bengals offence operated through

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the quarterback. And if he does that, cam Wore certainly
has demonstrated at Incarnate Word. He did it at we
Washington State and then Miami that he can turn around
programs on the strength of his right arm. But they
still need a little more firepower. But the quarterback is
the real deal, and he'll have an opportunity to prove
it under Brian Callahan's direction.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
No doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
Now, speaking of quarterbacks, Joe Flacco, the quarterback on the
Cleveland Browns who was slammed by a next teammate of
his first stupid rant, and believe me, it was stupid.
He said that he doesn't see himself as a mentor
for younger players.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I mean, really, the fact that you're just forty years
of age and you're playing quarterback even just don't even
open your mouth. Just what you do, your emotions, what
you do, or your workouts, whatever it may be, that's
mentoring right there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
How do you say that? And if you're a teammate,
you want to see the best for the team.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
I understand you're nervous in a sense of losing your
starting job, but I think it's part of your job
to make the team better and if it makes the
backups better, to become better players. Because let's face it,
you may get injured during the season. You're forty freaking
years old, all right, you may get injured. How does
he come out with a statement like that? And I

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believe it was Chris Canty, who played with Flacco and Baltimore.
He said it was a ridiculous statement. He's a mentoring
a young player is only going to make that player better,
which makes the team better. That's basically what it's all about,
is it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:25):
It is all about that. But let me be honest
and let me have four dislosi for you. Most quarterbacks
aren't in that game. Most quarterbacks because by nature, we've
created a selfishness amongst that position where we feel like
the starting quarterback can't be bogged down with those things.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
In terms of mentoring young players and the like. I
say that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
Is bs in terms of it because everyone can give
tips to young players. They're always around, they're looking for guidance.
You can share that. And so for the team, it's
always better if everyone, all the starters are really good
with the young players, because it only helps the team
get better. But look, Joe Flacco may see it a
different way, but I'm gonna tell you, and I've said

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this about quarterbacks for the longest time, most quarterbacks are
inherently selfish because we've created an environment where it's twenty
one and one's one quarterback and then twenty one other dudes,
and we have a different set of rules for the
other dudes than we have for the quarterback, Joe Flacco
should be expected to not necessarily hold the young quarterbacks hands,

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but he should be.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Expected to share his information.

Speaker 4 (01:08:31):
Because what's the point of having a forty year old
quarterback with all that experience in the building if he's
not going to share some of that experience and expertise.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
There's no doubt about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:39):
Now you're talking about the quarterbacks being selfish, But is
it that way, like with the offensive line defensive line,
that the lineman that they talk about the rookies that
come in and take them under their wing a little
bit and show them techniques.

Speaker 4 (01:08:51):
Oh, look, I think the lineman should do that. The
linemen are expected to do that, like they all work together.
The culture of the room is one where you're supposed
to give back and leave it better than you inherited it.
That's what the nature of the NFL is. It's about
making the league better. And the only way to make
the league better is to take the knowledge that you've

(01:09:11):
acquired and share that in the past at a and
then you pay it forward by asking the other people
to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:19):
Look, man, that's how it should be. That's a basic expectation.

Speaker 3 (01:09:23):
It's funny and That's exactly what Chris Canty said. He said,
you're only as strong as your weakest link. The whole
point of the exercise is that everybody makes everyone better.
That's why you practice. You're making each other better. It's
what you're supposed to do. You do that with the
reps on the practice field, but you also do that
by sharing points and notes in the film room. And
I think that there's got to be some coaches that

(01:09:44):
would go to a player and say, look, take.

Speaker 2 (01:09:46):
This kid under your wing a little bit. Does that happen?

Speaker 3 (01:09:48):
Or coaches are afraid to do that because they know
the guy's not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
They don't even have to tell you that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
It's a natural expectation if you created the right environment,
that the older people will teach the younger people. I mean,
even at the high school level, you tell the older
guys to teach the younger guys. Hey, make sure we
let them know how we operate and do business. The
coach can't do everything like that should be a basic expectation. Hey,
let's make sure we show them how we get down,

(01:10:16):
how we operate, because if they're going to be a
part of the family, they got to operate and understand
the family business. That's a natural expectation, that's a reasonable
expectation for a player and a teammate.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
It's amazing, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Now Flat though, said this week he wasn't going to
be quot bated by the mentor question, and he signed
with the Browns to play football.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
But you could do both.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
You could mentor while you're playing football, share your experiences
in the league are forty years old. I mean the
question I would have if I was a rookie, you'd say,
when the Browns called you when you were on the couch,
what two years ago, and you came back as a
comeback player of the year, Well, how did you get
in shape so quickly?

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
How did it happen? How are you able to do that? Right?
The questions? I liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
So if I asked that to Flacco as a rookie,
is Flaka going to walk away say leave me alone?

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Is that what he's gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:11:08):
I mean, look, you have to ask, and it is
up to the rookie to ask. But it's up to
the rookie to ask, learn and to do those other things.
The only thing that you really asked the veteran to
do is to be open. Don't give him misinformation, like
be open, be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Help them. You know, you don't have to hold his hands.

Speaker 4 (01:11:26):
But if you want someone to be a pro, you're
trying to ask him man, show him how to be
a pro. And I can say in my career, I've
had a few older players that really took a great
interest in me and they passed along those tools and
tips to show me how to be a pro. When
I was in Buffalo, Bill Brooks took a lot of
time with me individually and talk to me about being

(01:11:47):
a pro. When I was in Green Bay, I asked
some older guys Robert Brooks and Edgar Bennett that really
took the time and showed me how to go about
conducting my business, even though I didn't play the same
position they did. At Craig Newsom was a younger player
who was We were the same age, but he had
played a position a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:03):
He showed me.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
James Hasty was a pro bowler in Kansas City. He
showed me, so that is how it should be. Eric
Allen in Oakland when I was with the Raiders. The
older players should show the younger players how to get
down and in turn, I felt obligated. I felt like
it was my duty that when younger players came in
that I also passed.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
Along what I knew.

Speaker 4 (01:12:25):
It doesn't mean that the information they give you works
for you and your game and your style, but they
are trying to help you become a better player. So
to me, that's what the league should be about. And
you know, but I told you, man, quarterbacks are different.
We just sat in the first album and talked about
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Not wanted to come in for camp.

Speaker 4 (01:12:47):
He may not come in into training camp, which to
me is crazy, because how can we be a team
if we don't do some of the routine things that
you have to do to be a team. But quarterbacks
operate in a different space because we've allowed them to
operate in a different space.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Really, Now, if you could happen to impart a little wisdom,
some education, some teaching onto these new young guys that
you're spending maybe ten twelve hours a day with in
training camp.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
Why wouldn't you do it? Why wouldn't you do that?
I don't get it. I mean, and look, maybe that's
why most of these players that play in the NFL
really don't go with the coaching. You really don't see that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
Baseball guys maybe go with the coaching a little more
so managing than football players. Is it the grind? It's
a longer day. Obviously, the season's a lot shorter than baseball.
But you don't see a lot of ex players become
coaches as you do in baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
I mean you do, but look at that.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
I think all of it, all of it kind of
depends on what you want out of it and how
you can best put it together. I think the big
thing that you're trying to do is you're trying to
make sure that everyone knows how to you operate in
the space and in the environment that you're in. And
it takes older players to be able to do it

(01:14:06):
because nobody's going to get it on their own. You
have to you have to show them. And if you're
not willing to show them, then man, you can't necessarily
have those guys on your team. Like that's the way
that I would want to do it. If you're trying
to set up a culture and environment, and because so
many coaches talk about the culture to culture to culture
to culture, you got to set those expectations. You got
to take the expectations, so those those guys know what

(01:14:29):
the demands are.

Speaker 3 (01:14:31):
I've learned from you that quarterbacks are selfish, so it
doesn't make a difference how I feel.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
One hundred percent why I feel to us Joe Flacco.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
But these people are too stupid to realize that your
vision on TV or basically what you say translates on
how fans perceive you, how they treat you, although they
don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
But right now, I have no respect for Joe Flacco.
I don't like the guy. I really don't.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
I wouldn't say I don't respect it. I would say
I I would disappointed. I'm disappointed. I would say I'm disappointed.
But it's not the first time that he said this,
Like he hasn't taken a different stance, Like he's been
putting this situation for a while, Like since he left
the Baltimore Ravens, he has been in this kind of
mentorship situation where he's the starter, but you kind of
bring him in as the vet, et cetera, et cetera.

(01:15:19):
Hasn't always done it the way that I guess everyone
would want him to do it. But look, those teams
keep signing them and so you know what you're getting
when you sign them, and so that's not a part
of the deal. But they continue to bring him in,
so let's be okay by them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It's the same thing. It's not just football play.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
I watched I think it was the Minnesota game, the
a last game when they got defeated in Minnesota. I
think after the game, somebody was interviewed. I don't know
who it was, and the interviewer was great. It was
a female and the guy she was talking to didn't
even look at her. I mean to me, come on, really,
I mean, there's gotta be some training. It's just a
bad look. It's a bad optic. I mean, she's asking
him questions and his mind was somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
I know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
It's after a game. Me, you don't even want to
be there, perhaps, but if you're gonna be there, you're
gonna commit to do it, do it right, do it right.
That's all I'm saying. Right, it's like this show. If
you're gonna do it for three hours, you know, do
it right. Prepare and then we try our best to
do and I think we do a decent job because
I think we prepare. By the way, he's Bucket Brooks,
I'm a deferment. We are Fox Sports Sunday and Fox

(01:16:19):
Sports Readio. Now there's two ways to go up or down,
left or right or yay or nay. And it's next
yay r nay coming right up about ten minutes before
the top of the hour.

Speaker 2 (01:16:29):
That would be eight a m. On the East coast.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
East Bucket Brooks, I'm de Ferman And by the way,
we're live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
And Patty, are we ready for yay rornay? Are we right?

Speaker 7 (01:16:38):
Yeah, let's figure rack those brains, gentlemen. These stories need.

Speaker 1 (01:16:42):
An ass I think we need a ruling on this.

Speaker 5 (01:16:45):
Yay or nay?

Speaker 8 (01:16:48):
All right, here we go. The NFL has go ahead.
Come on, wait a minute, I know, put drink down.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
Put the drink down down and I'm the cigar, will
you please.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
I'm like, that's an outer body. Carry with the cigar there.

Speaker 6 (01:17:08):
Well, it is time for the yay or nays And
apparently and he's trying to take my job from me.

Speaker 5 (01:17:13):
I don't know. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I blame you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Can I borrow your wisonator?

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Yes you can? Yeah, I think you need it now
At this point.

Speaker 6 (01:17:22):
So anyways, guys, so the NFL has moved into Friday
night for games, traditionally a night set aside for high
school football.

Speaker 5 (01:17:30):
Are you happy with this?

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Yay?

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Your nay?

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Andy Furman, Nay, nay, nay.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
I am not happy with this. I mean, really and truly.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
The NFL they are bullies, but they moved over the NBA.
That they're killing the NBA to kick the NBA. But
at least that's a professional sports team. They'll they'll work
it out. But this is high school. Come on, really,
high school? Just day night, Friday night lights, right, come on?

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Yeah, No, I'm okay with all of it. Like, the
NFL is the NFL, and that's what they do. They
dominate the sports landscape. When you're the king, your job
is to conquer and to keep conquering it. That's what
they're doing. So I'm okay with it. I'm okay with
it too. Whoa, we went from whoa what?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Nothing, Well, we.

Speaker 6 (01:18:16):
Were gonna go from the NFL. We're gonna go to
the NBA for this one. So Tyres Haliburton's dad we
all know. So he ran up on the court during
the Pacers against the Bucks. You know he got suspended.
We thought it was gonna be like, you know, a
forever ban during the rest of the playoffs. Right, well,
he was back. He was back for the last two
in the Pacers. Seems no one gets punished anymore, yay

(01:18:37):
or nay, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
I mean he was punished. She was kept away for
a little bit. But how you gonna keep him away
at home? How you go kee him away from the
home games? He has to be around. I'm okay with
his dad, like, and let's be honest. You gotta have
some thick skin. You gotta be able to deal with
some criticism and some bars. If you're a player, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
I think he was. He should have been allowed to
come back.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
He did gets He ran on the court, which is
a no no. But here's the deal. We're in a
country right now with a president that pardons everybody, so
no one gets punished. You could do anything you want
right now and you'll never get in trouble. So it's okay,
let him come back and watch this kid play, all right?

Speaker 6 (01:19:13):
Well, that was speaking of possibly some trouble here. Stefan
Higgs missed voluntary workouts with the Pets that's no big deal, right, Well,
it seems he was seen on a boat with a
little bit of some pink looking powder.

Speaker 5 (01:19:31):
We don't have to get into lleg of six to that.

Speaker 6 (01:19:33):
But does so new coach Mike Rabel Does he move
on from him?

Speaker 7 (01:19:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Or nay?

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
Andy Furman probably nay because he needs him, Honestly, I mean,
that's what happens. And I think Stefan Diggs knows that
that he's valuable for the receiving cores of that team.
But why would you do something like that? We'll get
into the latest stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
Well, I mean I don't know, Like I mean, we
didn't see him in jest to pink powder. He just
had the pink powder in his hand and the ladies
took it. Look, volunteer is volunteer. It means that's just
optional for you to show up. He'll be there. He'll
come there, have a tough conversation, but ultimately step on Diggs.
His test won't change on a team.

Speaker 5 (01:20:10):
All right, final one? Here? Do you want to go
boo boom?

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
We'll push it up, We'll push it out.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Okay, no prime time for this team or is there
gota more on Fox next?

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Now?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
The road they travel will only be on Sunday, that's
coming right up. Good morning everybody. This is Fox Sports
Sunday on Fox Sports Radio. He's Bucky Brooks and Andy
from and we're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
And uh, we do have an additional yay on a
which Patty, I know you're.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Dying to ask.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
And what would the show be without talking about the
w NBA, right, I mean really and truly the last
several weeks we've got to open all our segments of
the WNBA. So this has a WNBA slant, So if
you want to give it to us you can.

Speaker 5 (01:20:51):
Okay, well I will.

Speaker 6 (01:20:53):
So the w NBA's TV ratings and attendance will dip
until Caitlin Clark's return from injury.

Speaker 5 (01:21:01):
Yay or nay? Andy Furrman, No, get.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
With the Bucky. I want to know what he has
to say on this.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Yay Bucky?

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Oh yes?

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
Is that blusing gonna dip because Kaylyn Clark brings into
casuals to people that aren't like the hardcore at WNBA fans.
They wanted to see Kaylyn Clark in the Indian nffever
play And regardless of whether we feel like Kayln Clark
is the best player or not in WNBA. She certainly
is one of the biggest draws, if not the biggest draw.
So yeah, it'll be impacted.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
The TV ratings will go down until Kaitlyn Clark returns.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
I'm gonna agree with you, But here's the question. I
got to ask you this because it makes me nuts.
There are great players, there had been great plays prior
to Kaitlyn Clark. Why the match? Why is she done
that makes the league go to the next level, which
obviously I have seen and they'll never admit this. See
the envy and jealousy of other players in the league,
which is ridiculous because what she has done is made

(01:21:55):
life better for them. For them, you know, they got
charters there, they're flying charters. They're doing better, they're gonna
get more money, they're getting expansion. Okay, they're doing so
much better, and she has helped that. But my question
is this, what has she done to make it better?
Because again, there have been better players than her. Right,
Brianna Stewart's been there for a long time, won a

(01:22:16):
championship with the Liberty last year, right, but she never
got the league to go to the next level.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
How did Kaitlyn Clark do it?

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
Different? Look, I would say a different thing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
I said, Kaitlyn Clark is the perfect storm.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
Understand where she is.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
So you're talking about a Midwest star who did it
as a four or five year player at Iowa. So
you had an opportunity to really fall in love with
her because it wasn't like a quick ascension to the top.

Speaker 1 (01:22:45):
Like it was a slow cook for her to be
a star.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
And so like college basketball men's basketball used to do,
you have an opportunity to establish the stars and watch
those stars come with their own fan bases into the league. Well,
Kaitlyn Clark did that at Iowa. She's everything, her numbers
emblazon on the court. She then transitions going from Iowa
to Indiana, another Midwestern situation and a Rabbit fan base

(01:23:10):
because the state is known for basketball. So you bring
all that, she has the all American girl look that
helps her and has helped a lot of people gravitate
towards her. And then I'm gonna say this, there was
a villain that elevated her and the sport to another level,
meaning they vilified Andrew Reese. Some of that tens with

(01:23:34):
racial components in composition because they were rivals in college.
LSU knocked off Iwood Winninnatti a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
Andrew Reese was a part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
There was some bantering back and forth that escalated the
entire thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
And so coming into the league.

Speaker 4 (01:23:50):
Much like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson, Caitlin Clark and
Andrew Reese elevated everything because there was already made rivalry
and both people. Because I want you to underst this
when you go and you look at Instagram followers, Andrew
Reese's number one, I think she has over four million
Instagram followers.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
Kaitlyn Clark is number two. Three point two.

Speaker 4 (01:24:10):
You're talking about seven million people that follow both respective ladies.
There's gonna be some interest in Kaitlyn Clark certainly is
the beneficiary of all those things forming the perfect storm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
The WMBA Commission did some sort of an internal.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Investigation if there's racism in the league and things like that,
look and they said they could find no conclusion that
there was. I don't know how you find on a
conclusion with that anyway, you could just see it. However,
behind closed doors, they love it. They love the finger
pointing between Reeese and Kaitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
They love that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
They love the physicality that Caitlyn's been pushed around by
other players in the league, because that's that's what makes it, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:49):
What sells it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:50):
The villain, Lebron James has been a villain in the NBA.
You love them or you hate it. There's no middle ground.
Now we'll go to the finals of the NBA right now.
I don't know if there's a villain. I think that
leagues need a villain they really do, not to succeed,
but to help ticket sales, to help ratings, to help
robberies storylines.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Yeah. Yeah, Rivalries are good.

Speaker 4 (01:25:14):
Robberies are good because it adds a passion and a disdain.
Like I would say competitive conflict is what we'll call it. Like,
you want some of that to take place because it
elevates the brand, It makes the stakes matter, It adds
an urgency and intensity to the game.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
All of those things matter.

Speaker 4 (01:25:35):
Now, going back to your point about the racism thing,
I think what has happened is the WNBA has been
hijacked by outsiders for political gain, and some of the
things that we hear around the coverage of Caitlin Clark
and the WNBA are done with the political agenda by
people that don't really care about the sport, right Like

(01:25:56):
it's part of this political game that people pay play
to get clicks in ratings in those things. I would
say in the bubble of the WNBA, look, man, the
issues certainly don't exist that are purported, but there is
this thing if you include social media and commentary in

(01:26:18):
those things that are tinged with stereotypes and racial tropes
in those things. And I think it's important for us
not to put a line in between those things because
what people may perceive to be happening, or what angel
reies may perceive or it is.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Feeling, isn't w NBA related.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
It's done by the koups and the clowns that are
outside and not affiliated with the WNBA, but are weighing
in because social media gives.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
Everyone an opportunity to weigh in and have access.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Right and to continue on your point, you could have
a villain, and you could have two, and they don't
have to be they just have the eracious thing. I'm
not going to go back way back in time because
wil Chamberlain was a villain and it's adversary.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
It was always Bill Russell.

Speaker 3 (01:27:01):
It was always Russell Chamberlain and they will both block,
so it doesn't have to be a white block thing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
It's not racism. It really isn't, although people.

Speaker 3 (01:27:08):
Want to make it that way because, like you say,
it gets more clicks, and then they got the politicians
weighing in and say, oh, you know, we need to
do this investigation and no, stop it, really please. I
don't think. I don't think there's racism in the WNBA.
Maybe I'm foolish, maybe I'm blindsided. I do think there's
envy and jealousy, but I don't think there's racism.

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
See and I think that envy and jealousy, I think
once again that's outsiders. That's outsiders weighing in because I
think outsiders want to make this a situation where everyone
should bow down and get on their knees and give
praise and thanks and gratitude to Caitlin Clark. In a
competitive environment, which the sport is, you're never going to

(01:27:49):
have that kind of reverence for someone that you're competing with.
We talked about competitive conflict. Competitive conflict exists between every
player because it's a situation where look, if you are great,
I want to prove to you that I'm greater than you.
So you're going to have some of those altercations and
incidents when people are going at it because it's competitive.

(01:28:11):
That conflict is whatever I think, the outside thing, I
think what and I said this. People have used and
hijacked the WNBA and Kaitlyn Clark for political gain. What
some people want is to put Clayland Clark on a
pedestal and have everyone either praise her or use her

(01:28:32):
as the tipping point for oh look at her, Look
at how the WNBA, which is predominantly black, and look
there there's a homosexual element to it where you have
like heteros and homos playing the sport, and there's a
worry of oh my god, the way this is portrayed

(01:28:53):
doesn't look great.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
Like they don't like her because of this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:57):
So there are all these other issues on the outside
that are working, whereas the sport itself is great.

Speaker 1 (01:29:03):
The sport itself is.

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Thriving, and it's unfortunate that people on the outside have
used this emerging sport for their own political gain and
the grab of popularity, as opposed to just treating sport
for what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
There's no doubt WMDA was there before Kaitlyn Clark going
to be there after Caton Club. There's not doubt about that.
But I will say this, I commend her on one thing,
not on a play, but the fact that she has
not fallen for this bait that's been thrown out her.
She's been really good. Even in news conferences. She's never
pointed a finger at Angel Reees. She's never said any
derogatory things, at least publicly towards her. So I think

(01:29:39):
she's kept it above board. So I give her credit
for that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
Look, I give her a ton of credit like the
maturity that she has displayed. Look, man, she deserves credit
for being able to handle herself. And she hasn't fallen
for the okie dock when it comes to how people
have tried to I also he drive this wedge between

(01:30:04):
her and Andrew Reese and her and others in the league,
like she is very much an independent thinker, a critical thinker,
and her opinion ways. She's been very complimentary of the pioneers,
those that came before her and how those people have
set up the game and those says, and she doesn't

(01:30:25):
take credit for any of that.

Speaker 1 (01:30:26):
I give her a ton of credit.

Speaker 4 (01:30:27):
I wish the people outside would not use her as
a political pawn and would really cover the sport because
they love the sport. But really a lot of the
commentary and the conversation around the sport has little to
do with the love of the sport, but more to
do with trying to score political points.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
And let's not forget angel Reees. Give us some credit
to but she's been the same. I mean, she hasn't
really gone crazy on Khaling Clark. I give her some
credit too.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
No, Look, I think both of them and there are
a ton of women and ladies in the league that
deserve credit for elevating the game and putting the game
in a great spot. I am telling you we're in
a weird place where as our news consumption habits have changed,
people are looking for different things to latch onto. If
it's not the WNBA, whatever is the conversation around transgenders

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in sports and those things like some of these things
are strictly done to advance a political agenda.

Speaker 1 (01:31:23):
That look is.

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Polarizing, that creates clicks in conversation, that has little to do.

Speaker 1 (01:31:29):
With the sports that are being talked.

Speaker 3 (01:31:31):
About right and last, but not least before we move on,
because they do want to talk about some football stuff
with you. But we want to just give our final
thoughts and prayers to TNT inside the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
But they're gone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:43):
I know, a nix a gone. But they'll be back.
The Knicks will be back one twenty five on. Wait,
they lose last night to Indianapolis in Game six in Indie,
but TNT lost inside the NBA with the crew. They'll
be on the Full Letter Network next year. But I
do believe it won't be the same.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
It can't be this.

Speaker 3 (01:32:00):
And you know, it was a sort of the good
of a tear in Ernie Johnson's eye last night after
the ball game.

Speaker 2 (01:32:06):
And Shaka is great, and Charles is tremendous. He really is.
Kenny the jet I love it, he says, stop it,
stop the tape over there. These guys are great.

Speaker 3 (01:32:13):
I remember Kenny jetsonn playing in high school and Archbishop
Malloy High School in New York City. I mean, these
guys are great and just a chemistry. Whoever put this together.
I'm not gonna say he's a genius.

Speaker 2 (01:32:23):
He got lucky.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
You got lucky. You just don't know what's gonna happen.
They just happened to mold together. And Ernie Johnson is
the best. He's just great. So I'm gonna miss those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
I am.

Speaker 1 (01:32:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna miss him too.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
And I think the thing that it shows like in TV,
remember this, Kenny Smith was a really good NBA player.
He's my favorite player when he came to North Carolina.
Obviously I'm a tar heel. I was a Carolina basketball
fan when he came to North Carolina from New York.
Started as a freshman, was on the team with Michael
Jordan and those guys. He was a freshman year, all
that stuff. He was a great player. He was a

(01:32:56):
solid NBA player, but a two time champion. When they
put him on TV, remember it because it was Ernie, Kenny,
and Charles. It was really a unique combo because Charles
is the star. Kenny Smith is not the star, but
he became a star because of TV and how good
he was on it. This show resonated because it had

(01:33:20):
this barbershop field in terms of the conversation that we
would have in the barbershop, particularly in the black community,
Like that's kind of like barber shop fodder, you know,
the signifying and going back and forth. It had that,
but Ernie Johnson was able to make sure that the
train always stayed on the tracks.

Speaker 1 (01:33:37):
It's just a great show.

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
And if more shows could have the authenticy of inside
the NBA man, we would consume a better product. As
opposed to whatever talk debate, hot take culture that sports
media has become in certain and some aspects.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
You think about it. I mean, I watch a lot
of TV. Not tons, but I watch a lot. I've
never seen a show like that sports I really haven't.
I mean, and ESPN has a ton of them. I
hate to even mention the letters.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
It's the full letter.

Speaker 3 (01:34:05):
Network, but they've dumped a couple of them right now.
But I just see people yelling and screaming and there's
not much content, and that doesn't mean anything. Maybe that's
what people want, the yelling. You know, even the announcers
today yelling and screaming. I mean, it's calm. I mean,
guys like Vince Scully couldn't make it today. They don't

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yell and scream. Think about that. Marve Albert couldn't make it.
He'd be rejected on an interview, I mean because he
didn't yell and scream, But right now the guys they
yell and they scream. It's just, you know, calm down, really,
just you know, it's not the end of the world.
That's all I'm saying. But those guys are great. It's
a great combination, and we move on. But you know,
I wish them well and I'll watch them again next year.

(01:34:48):
But I don't think it's going to be the same
because you know, when when you're on a network, at
the four Letter Network, you're not the only show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
But TNT you are on an island.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
And I think they're going to bring in their other clowns,
so to speak, on ESPN to kind of ruin their set,
and you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:03):
Know, they won't be able to do They're it. They
won't be able to fingerpoint. On TNT, they were it,
that's it. They're the only thing they had. But on
ESPN there's tons of other things and other properties. They
can't maybe make fun of the NHL like they did
last night. Charles was making fun of a promo and
NHL promo last night. It was great. Couldn't pronounce the names.
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:24):
You can't do it on ESPN because they owned the
rights to the NHL, so it's going to be very
difficult for them to stay in the lane.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
So we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:35:34):
Yeah, I mean, look, we will certainly see what happens.
It is one of those things where we'll continue to
look at how the things go down, what it looks like,
how the landscape changes when it comes to the NBA.
But I don't think it necessarily has to be a
bad thing. I think there's some good that can come

(01:35:55):
out of all of it. As they transition and make
their way to another network, maybe they can elevate the
performance of the aforementioned network that you talk about and
some of their shows. Because look, man, birds of a
other flock together. And so if you put you know,
some accomplished people that do it at an Emmy Award
winning level, people have a tendency to raise their game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
And so I'm hoping that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:19):
I'm also hoping when we go to the NBA goes
to NBC and Amazon Prime and some of the newness
in terms of the talent that will show up there.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
I think it should be cool.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
To see Carmelo Anthony and Dwayne Dwayne Wade and Eudona's
Haslam have an opportunity to share their experiences as champions.
Reggie Miller will move over, some of the other guys
will move over. Talking about Michael Jordan having a role,
you know, it's an opportunity to hit the reset button
and to make the conversation around the sport better for

(01:36:51):
everybody included.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
You know, it's funny. I'm used to I grew up
with great announcers. I grew up with Mel Allen with
the Yankees, more Avalable with the Nicks. It's just Martin
Klickman with the New York Football Giants. And I watched
the game last night. Kevin Harlan, he screams, okay, Reggie Miller,
I felt bad. I think it was a conflict of
interest to some extent because he played for the Pacers,
and I didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:12):
Really felt like you felt like you felt like Reggie
was a conflict adventures because he's calling the game, and
so you didn't feel like you're getting fair and balance covered.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Well, you know, he's rooting for the Pacers. You know that,
I get it, But I.

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Honestly, I don't think he added much. And Van Gundy just,
you know, just he said everything that Charles said at halftime,
he said. He repeated that during the game they got
to play fast. Come on, there's gotta be a better
crew than that. That's all I'm saying. There's gotta be
a better crew than that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Don't you think.

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
I felt like it was okay, man kept but I
don't turn the game like what I saw, right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:49):
But I don't the game right. I don't turn the
games on and off because of announcers. I mean, if
the game is good, I'm gonna watch it despite the announcers.
At times I could I tolerated them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
But I think there's better than that. That's all I'm saying.
I think it's better, That's all I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:38:03):
Like, look, there's always someone better lurking in the bushes,
and you certainly want that stuff, like you certainly want
them to understand all of those things, you know, like
in terms of like what's important, what you want to like,
can you can you make me smarter.

Speaker 1 (01:38:21):
When it comes to consuming the game and those things?
So I get what you understand. I understand what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
But I was spoiled because I grew up with better announcers.
That's all I'm saying. I mean Marv Alba was the best.
I love and then, and he was a student of
Marty Cookman. And you may not have heard of Marty Cookman,
but you could google Martiklok. He was the voice of
the New Football Giants on radio growing up, because when
I grew up, you know, the home games were blacked out,
so I had those to the games on radio or
drive to Connecticut to see him play. And you know,

(01:38:46):
he was great, No one better than Marty Glickman.

Speaker 2 (01:38:48):
He was the best.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
He painted a picture and he did the nick games
at times too, and Spencer Ross was there too.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
There were great announceers. But that's another story.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
But I do want to talk about prime time because
you talk about prime time, your first thoughts are always
who ds deon Sanders?

Speaker 1 (01:39:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
But in Cleveland Browns, they're not going to have prime
time this year. They're gonna play their whole schedule only
on Sunday Sunday afternoon. They were and maybe that's right
because they were three and fourteen last year. But the
division they play in and which should do a Sanders
as a primetime guy, has.

Speaker 2 (01:39:18):
Caught it back.

Speaker 3 (01:39:18):
You would think they would have at least one primetime
game don't you think.

Speaker 1 (01:39:22):
I mean, come on, I mean they weren't very good
last year, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:39:29):
And you know, I would venture to guess that the
schedule would have been different if Shudeur Sanders was taken
in the first round. Maybe, but he's taken in the
fifth round and there's no guarantee that he's going to
be on the team. How can you build the primetime
schedule anticipating him being the starter when he may not
be on the team. But know this, the back half

(01:39:49):
of the schedule, there's some flexibility when it comes to
scheduling and primetime and those things, and maybe you'll see
some of those things take place. But I mean, who
are you really tuning in to see when you watch
the Cleveland Browns. Don't disrespect to all the Browns fans,
but who are you, yeah, who are you tuning in?
Miles Garrett as a former Defensive Player of the Year,

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But I don't know if he moves the needle when
it comes to my TV viewing habits. I mean, we
see the Dallas Cowboys, They're all over the prime time
count because what the Dallas Cowboys move the needle, That's
what it is. As much as we want to say,
it's about meritocracy and competitiveness or whatever on the TV schedule. No,

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it's about who were going to get the eyeballs to
the set.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
Some teams do, other teams don't.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Last year, their offense was ranked last in scoring and
they got some quarterback competition Flacco, Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett,
Dylan Gabriel and Sanders. Okay, the question I have and
we'll roll it over to the next seven for a
little bit. How do you split the snaps and practice
to give the guy a chance? That's all I'm sane,
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we get up the air, and now we're live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios. And the question I have.
Obviously we talked about a little bit quarterbacks and the
Cleveland Browns. We mentioned Joe Flacco early on that he's
not going to help out the youngsters because that's just
the way he is.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
He's selfish.

Speaker 3 (01:42:52):
But the general manager that Browns, Andrew Berry, says it's
gonna be a truly open competition. Dylan Gabriel should do
a s pick it in Flacco. You know, how do
you split the snaps in practice? What does that mean?
Open competition? How could four guys get an equal shot
to get the starting job in Cleveland?

Speaker 4 (01:43:12):
You can script it out like when it comes to
your practice reps. You can script out the team periods
and the competitive periods where everyone gets an opportunity. It
may might be rep for rep even but the opportunities
will be the same in terms of how many chances
do you get a chance, how many chances do you
have with the ones compared to the twos, threes and fours.

(01:43:33):
And if you rotate that out, you can do it.
The thing that will have to happen when it comes
to the competition. It's going to have to happen fast
and furious, because in training camp, when you think about it,
with only three preseason games and one of those games
being designated as one where the veterans don't participate or play,
it's gonna be hard for the young guys to close

(01:43:54):
the gap on Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco. The thing
that you would like to see is one of them
would need to flash early, quickly in camp so that
you can loosely begin to think about, all right, we
need to give Dylan Gable more reps. We need to
give Shader Sanders more reps because they look like they
may have a better handle on the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Offense than we anticipated.

Speaker 4 (01:44:16):
And so there's a bit of a ying in Yang,
but you can script it out where you can get
these guys a generally a solid look to be the
starting quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Well, the funny thing is that they got four quarterbacks
now Old Vine for the number one spot. Last year
they were three and fourteen. They played four quarterbacks during
the season. During the regular season, they played four. It's
kind of crazy. They fired their offensive coordinator Ken Dorsey
they got a new go ay, Tommy Reese. What do
you know about Tommy Reese and his offense.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Well, Tommy Reche used to be offensive coordinator down in Alabama.
He's a former Notre Dame player. His dad, Billious, I think,
was a longtime NFL executive, so he's been around the league.
He knows what it looks like. His offense is one
that I think it'll be adaptable. He will adapt to
the people that he has available to him, and so

(01:45:02):
if it's a classic drop back passer, he'll make sure
that it's drop back friendly. If it's more of an
athletic player, which they don't really have, they will.

Speaker 1 (01:45:09):
Make it athletic.

Speaker 4 (01:45:11):
At the end of the day, it's still going to
be versions of what Kevin Stefanski believes in. And you
have to think that this offense has been successful throughout.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
His time in the league. He'll find a way to
have more success.

Speaker 4 (01:45:24):
Remember the last time Joe Flacco played and Kevin Stefanski
led offense, he lit it up. I would think that
they were try and keep some of those elements the same.
And I noticed that we talked about the four guys,
but remember Jashaun Watson is lurking somewhere in the background
because he is on the roster. He is rehabbing his achilles,
but he is on the roster.

Speaker 3 (01:45:46):
I'll say this that flat goes to front runner. He's
got the most experienced, but I still believe that should
do Sanders is the best quarterback on that roster.

Speaker 4 (01:45:55):
He may be the most I can't even send the
most talented, but he could be the best. But he's
gonna have to prove it.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
He is. Look, he's a long shot.

Speaker 4 (01:46:03):
He is the five hundred to one favorite when it
comes to winning to Kenturkey Derby.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Let's see if he can pull it off.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
I want to move on now to another football player
in the league, and his name is Stefan Diggs, and
I think now I understand why the Buffalo Bill's dumped
on him because he's very difficult to control to some extent.
He was not present for OTA's last week, all right,
and he sent out a video he was on a boat.
He flashed at unidentified pink substance, which a lot of

(01:46:35):
people think was cocaine, and he was surrounded by three
women on a boat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
That's fine, you do what you want to do. On
your time. My question is this, how stupid can you
be that you put a video on that.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
I mean, you're on vacation, you missed the ota. That's okay,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I mean Miles Garrett mister got a in Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
He's with his girlfriend. He didn't put it on video.
I mean, he just said he wasn't gonna go, you
don't have to go. He didn't go. But this lunatic
goes out on a boat and puts.

Speaker 1 (01:47:01):
On a.

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
To do that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:07):
Did Digs put the video out there or did someone
on the boat put the video out there? Like highly
doubt that Diggs would be like, hey, guys, look at
me with the pink substance in the thing. I will
also say I think it's important for context because people
talk about the three women that were around him. His
girlfriend Cardi bu was on the boat with him. Not

(01:47:31):
that it changes anything, but it seems like he's playing
fair and loose with a lot of chicks, like having
this engaged in this debauchery, and like his lady was
on the boat with him. You know, I just want
everyone to understand that. Now the pink substance, I don't know,
but I will say this, we saw him pass the
pink substance around.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
We didn't see him take the pinink substance, so a.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Lot of people have have assumed and presumed that he
was partaking in something we don't even know what was
in the peak substance.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Pink substance could be kool aid for all we know.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
It could be pink lemonade, kool aid powder for all
we know, because we weren't on the boat. I'm just
saying there have been a lot of assumptions when it
comes to what was taking place on the boat without
factually being able to say that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
Circumstances evidence doesn't look great, But.

Speaker 4 (01:48:18):
I'm saying we don't know for sure what took place
on the boat.

Speaker 3 (01:48:22):
You reeled me in pretty good on this, because you
know what, I did, call him Aluna tech, and I apologize,
and I'll tell you why, because there's a very good
chance that he's not he's smart enough not to have
posted that, but maybe one of those ladies on the
boat posted it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
And he's probably going nuts about that.

Speaker 3 (01:48:35):
But again, if I wore Stefan Diggs, I would go out, well,
what do you do?

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
What you can say I didn't post it? It's on
there I mean, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 4 (01:48:43):
No, it's on there, but no, But I would say
Mike Rabel's response was perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Let's get wait a minute, we have it, Mike, go ahead.
What did you say, Mike.

Speaker 9 (01:48:53):
Well, it's something that we're aware of, and obviously we
want to make great decisions on and off the field,
and we're hoping that with our time here on the
field today and that when we don't have a script
and we're on the callup.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
Periods, that we're making great decisions.

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
And so the message will be the same for all
our players that we were trying to make great decisions,
and any conversations that I've had with Stefan will remain
between him and I and the club.

Speaker 3 (01:49:17):
Mike Rabel, head coach of the New Patrie, I don't
know what that means. What exactly does it mean may
make great decisions? You could have said that prior to
seeing the video, right, So I don't know what that means.

Speaker 1 (01:49:31):
It means that he and Stefan I have very tense conversation.
He'll tell it. Stepan, come on, bro, what we doing?
You know what I'm saying? Like you know better? You
know better?

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Like one of the rules that most teams operate on
is a protected team. And you didn't protect the team
because you put you Steff in a bad situation. When
now we have an answer for things that you engaged in.
Let's come on, let's be smarter. Let's make sure that
we we take care of business.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
The wa business should be taken care of.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Wow, Okay, what would Bill Belichick I have done a
situation like this.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
I don't think he would. I don't think he would
have cut him and done anything.

Speaker 4 (01:50:09):
I think it just would have been another hard conversation
that you have to have, you know, I don't think
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:50:15):
Think it's anything that you necessarily need to go over board.
You need to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:19):
Like some people are upset because he wasn't at OTA's,
But people have to remember ota is are voluntary. It's
not mandatory NDCBA. They put that in there so you
can't make anybody show up. He's a veteran, he knows
how to play. You would like all you guys to
be there, but if he's not there, you can't make
it a bigger deal than it is. The thing that

(01:50:40):
I would say that it's probably most troubling if you're
the Patriots is like, man, just to undo unwarranted conversation
that has been created because of this incident. Now the
focus is less on what takes place on the field
and more on Stefan.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Diggs and off the field behaviors and those things.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
It's gonna lead to a lot of questions when he
comes back and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
Like, nobody wants to have to deal with that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:07):
The coach does wanted, right River didn't want to show
up and be like, oh, well, yeah, let me answer
all these questions on Stephan Dicks. He didn't want to
have to deal with that, but we just talk about
taking care of the team.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
Is this will be called a distraction, my friend?

Speaker 4 (01:51:19):
This is it's a bit of a Yeah, it's a
bit of a distraction for sure. Like I mean, is
not what any coach wants to have to deal with
right now, But uh, you do it because that's part
of the job. That's why Mike Vrabel makes the big bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Right, And I'm hearing reports on various talk shows across
the country and even locally here say, is it time
for my able to tell Stephan Dicks to walk what
to walk? I mean, come on, really, I mean, he's
part of the offense, and they need him. There's no
doubt about that. They want to elevate the receiving corps.
The receiving corps on the PAGEOTS as you finished last

(01:51:58):
in the NFL with over with seventeen hundred receiving yards,
I mean, the worst in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:52:03):
They need this guy, really.

Speaker 4 (01:52:05):
They need him. But he also has to understand his
responsibility towards the team. And so I love Stefon Diggs,
but Stefan Diggs is wrong in this situation only because
of the undue attention that it brought and it created
for the team. He has to just make sound decisions,
smart decisions based on that, like, hey, man, don't put

(01:52:28):
the team.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Don't put the team in a bad spot.

Speaker 4 (01:52:31):
You know, And he put the team in a bad spot,
right then you and I can acknowledge that that's not ideal,
a bad spot.

Speaker 2 (01:52:38):
You changed my whole take on this one hundred eighty
percent eighty degrees. I'll tell you why.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
Number One, he didn't go to the OTS with this
voluntary so there's no big whoop that he didn't go.
Number Two, we don't know if he took that substance.
And now we don't even know what the substances, though
people are claiming it's some sort of cocaine. We don't know,
but he may not have taken it. And number three,
he may never I would assume. I'm giving the benefit
of the doubt. He's smart enough not to have released

(01:53:04):
that video. He didn't do it, right, I mean, I'm hoping.
I don't think he did. I don't think he released it,
and you could change me on that deal. So the
fact that it's out there, Okay, he's probably upset that
it got out.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
There because he didn't release it. It didn't look good.

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
But at the end of the day, it's not that
big a deal when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
It's really not. I mean, but it's gonna go nuts
on this. It's not that big of a deal, right, I.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
Mean, it's not that big of a deal in terms
of like, oh, we need to cut him because he
was hanging out with ladies on the boat and they
were circulating a pink powdery substance. But it is something
that does require Mike Rabel to have to address it
and talk on it like that is.

Speaker 1 (01:53:51):
Yeah, that is something that is definitely mandatory.

Speaker 3 (01:53:54):
You have to address it, right, do you have to
talk owner of the Patriot, Robert Craft, and is Olf
saying we never had this when Bill was coach?

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Why did I get rid of him?

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think.

Speaker 4 (01:54:07):
Yeah, I don't think Robert Craft is talking much about
what happened when Bill Belichick was.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
This is my personal that's just my personal take.

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
And last one, not least, I forgot to ask you
this question. Have you been invited to the wedding?

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (01:54:21):
I have not, but I'm seeing I'm gonna go to
Chapel Hill in a few weeks. Hopefully I can score
an invitation to the wedding. Maybe I can take some
some pictures for for everybody. What I'm saying, like, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
I'll try to get the mission first. I don't want
to be like Stefan Diggs. I mean you want to.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
I was gonna say, I'm gonna make sure try to
catch him a compromising situation so it becomes a bigger
distraction or anything like that.

Speaker 3 (01:54:46):
All Right, he's Bucket Brooks and Andy Freman. We are
Fox Sports Sunday Fox. But read Yes, Yes, it's your turn.
It's the playing game and it's freaking next. All right,
The playing game coming right up. He's Bucket Brooks and
Andy Firmer with Fox Sports Sunday exports to radio by
eleven minutes before at the top of the hour and
and at the top of the hour nine am Eastern,
we will have countdown don't miss It with Brian no,

(01:55:08):
Bill Krachenberger, and Jeff Schwartz. When we are now live
from the Fox Sports Radio studios, Patty will be ready.
Let's play the blame game with.

Speaker 7 (01:55:16):
It's all your fault, it's your fault, This is all
your fault. Maybe it's everyone's fault. She's a liar. The
blame game. Let's figure out who to blame.

Speaker 5 (01:55:32):
He's a liar, well, you know what, and he's a liar.
You know who I blame.

Speaker 6 (01:55:37):
I blame you today, Andy would because I blame you.
I'm going first with mine today because of this I blame.
So with that said, it's time for the blame game, folks,
and with I'm gonna go with my question first with
this one here, so we all know what happened with
with you know, the Knicks and the Pacers Eastern Conference Finals,

(01:55:59):
but that the Knicks were toted as like you know,
probably one of the hottest ones in the East, and
had so much momentum coming in and then you know
they faced the Pacers Game one. Of course, the choke
job happens, and you know the Knicks losing six Pacers
advance and the finals. Well, who is really to blame
for all this? I mean we have Is it Thibodeau
on his coaching or the players? Just was it just

(01:56:21):
not a good correlation? Was it just they got out played,
out coached or what?

Speaker 5 (01:56:25):
Who do you blame? Andy?

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Number one? Get off Tim's back? All right? I love Tims.
He did a hell of a job. They got off
his back.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Number two, you gotta blame the fact that the Knicks
could not play the style of play that the Pacers played.
If you watched that game last night, every time they
Nick scored, the Pacers ran down the court and do
the layup. I mean, come on, you gotta play defense,
and they didn't play defense that couldn't match up. Well, really,
I still think the Knicks are great. I love the Knicks.
Brunton was shadowed last night and he scored nineteen, but

(01:56:54):
I had to work for it. I just think the
Pacers played better, and there's a better team effort on
the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 4 (01:57:02):
Look, I would say that the Nicks gessiducing the playing
on the Indiana Pacers term. So Tom Thibadeau has to
make sure he always reminds his team to play to
their style. They didn't stay true to their identity, which
is why they are now going.

Speaker 5 (01:57:15):
Fishing, going fishing. Well, we're gonna go fishing on this one, guys.

Speaker 6 (01:57:22):
So the CC and the Big Ten are looking to
separate themselves from the rest of the college sports. Two
conferences are discussing a football scheduling alliance to strengthen both conferences.
So who do you blame here, Bucky Brooks?

Speaker 4 (01:57:39):
Look, I think there are a few different things that
are played. The college football world is in transition. We're
talking about expanding the playoffs in sixteen games, talking about
the two mega conferences having.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
All the things. Look, I would say to blame TV.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
TV is throwing so much money at these conferences that
everyone is consolidating. It's a mega conference world. That's why
we're seeing so much change and turnover.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
Right now.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
You know what, I blame the NC double A because
especially they standing by and watching this happen, which is
a good thing. Big listen to Big ten and the
s you see, the two best football conferences in the country.
But the point is this, why have an NC double
A You don't need one? All right, let it go
for the fans point of view, this is great. You're
gonna be great football all the time, and everybody else
is just gonna be an ulso ran.

Speaker 5 (01:58:19):
All right, well, we're gonna go to football with this one.

Speaker 6 (01:58:22):
And so guys, so Aaron Rodgers is still on the
outside looking in with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 6 (01:58:30):
And personally, why is it Aaron Rodgers? Because let's be real,
who do you blame? And we know, yes, it is
Aaron Rodgers who blame.

Speaker 3 (01:58:38):
I don't blame really, I blame what Rudy the second,
the owner of the Steelers, who's in love with Aaron Rodgers.
You know what, this is not gonna be good for
the whole team concept. Forget it. Cut him loose. You
know you don't need him. Mason Rudolph's is the man.
I love Mason.

Speaker 1 (01:58:55):
Look, Mason Rules gonna have an opportunity.

Speaker 4 (01:58:58):
But I mean, look, the Steelers have career their own
mess up by giving all this power to Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
They said they would wait on him. So he's going
to do what he does, but just make them wait.

Speaker 6 (01:59:09):
Well, speaking of a guy that's making people wait here,
we also have Trey Hendrickson, defensive tackle for the Bengals
at it again. He said he'd sit last season if
he didn't get a new contract.

Speaker 5 (01:59:19):
Now he says he'll do it again. He'll be uh gig,
he'll be sure.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
What is the.

Speaker 5 (01:59:25):
Three thirty one years old? Shortly? Do the Bengals need
him to win? Do they pay? Who knows?

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Who?

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
Do you blame Bucky?

Speaker 1 (01:59:35):
I blame the Bengals for good the way they do business.
They always wait till.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
The last minute and always cost them more. Right now,
they just don't have the capital to be able to
give it to Trey Henderson. But they need him because
he's their best defensive player up front.

Speaker 3 (01:59:47):
They don't need a biggest They can go to the
super Bowl without him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:49):
They can't.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
They didn't go to the playoffs with him last year.
You got Tea on there, and you got Jamar and
you got Joe Burrow. That's all you need. That's really
that's all you need. You don't need him.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Let him go our final one.

Speaker 6 (02:00:01):
So Patrick Mahomes says he's not going to participate from
flag football for the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
Who do you blame?

Speaker 5 (02:00:06):
Final blame Mandy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
I'll tell you next week. How's that, how's that? Fair
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