Brian Noe, Rich Ohrnberger, and Jared Smith talk NFL Top 100 and the Dallas Cowboys!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports. Good morning, Happy Saturday to you,
you know fellas who are knee deep into the Olympics
over here. I would like to report that my girlfriend
and I successfully won a water polo bet you know, congratulations,
Thank you appreciate that. What country on Team USA? USA?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Go go Usa?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I also want a team USA three on three? Oh
bet right?

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Good?

Speaker 1 (00:31):
Yeah? The plus five and a half against up your alley.
I could see you loving that event.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, shout out ice cube?

Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah yeah, right pretty much? Yes, fast paced right there.
So we are immersed with the Olympics and we can
talk more about them as the show goes along. But
I was thinking about this right with the Olympics in mind.
You want to go for the gold, right, you always
want to go for the gold. You don't want to
go for the gold of bad takes, Okay, but that's

(01:00):
what's happened in the world of NFL football. Here. Have
you seen this NFL Network Top one hundred list. I'll
move right to the top of the list. Okay, number one,
the number one player in the NFL right now?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
One?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Yes, what do you think it might be? You better
be Patrick Mahomes. It isn't. Oh, forget it, the list
is done. They lost me already. It is Dolphins wide
receiver Tyreek.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
People.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
But now you're thinking, well, he's got to be number two, right,
Mahomes got to be number two. Who's number two on
the list? Lamar Jackson? Get out? So you're like, okay,
this is officially off the rails here. Mahomes can't be
any lower than number three, right, number three on the list,

(01:55):
Christian McCaffrey. I've got to know still Holmes is number
four on the list.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
This is my nightmare, all right? So three time Super
Bowl winner, he's only been to AFC Championship games as
a starting quarterback. He's won back to back super Bowl
something that I don't know, maybe what three?

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Three human beings on the planet can say they've done that?
Is it? Two? I mean, how many? How many human
beings have started back to back and one back to
back Super Bowls? We're down to a small handful and
he's not at the top of the list. Why what
else do we need to see? What else needs to

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be proven? What about the quarterback position? Are people missing?
This is the most difficult job in sports, to be
a quarterback. Of a football team. You have the most
pressure of any other sport. You are one of the
few positions in all of sports that have wins and
losses attached to him, and people actually seem to care

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when they debate. It used to be that way for
starting pitchers. But now that they hand the ball off
in the fifth or sixth inning every single time, it's
a routine. Even sometimes on a no hitter, we'll see
that happen. Now. I think a lot of people, really
they don't look at wins and losses with starters as
much anymore. See Jacob de Gram. You know the fact

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that you can win a sign young and it has
nothing to do with your wins and losses anymore, you know.
So I digress back to NFL, back to Patrick Mahomes
being fourth on this list. This is one of the
silliest things I've ever heard. And that's what these lists are.
They're silly, you know, They're they're provocative. They're trying to
do exactly what they've done now is get you all

(03:48):
fired up at six o'clock in the morning, West Coast time.
So there you have it, well done, NFL Top one hundred.
You made a surly man surlier. It's clickbait.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
I mean, I see people put these lists out people
in the media space, and they'll be like, oh, here's
my rankings for the top ten whatever quarterbacks, players, whatever
you want to rank in the NFL. If if Patrick
Mahomes is not number one, I stop because there's no
point in continuing. I I've already lost respect for your

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opinion so much that I that I don't even need
to continue. And it's not even like a surly thing.
It's a point spread thing. What's the great equalizer in
the NFL? Why was the point spread invented to grade
these players? In these teams? When Patrick Mahomes leaves the
field and whatever backup comes on, you will not see

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a greater decrease in that team's point spread than when
that swap occurs. That is the only currency that matters
to me when I am grading or ranking players. What
are they earth against the spread? And Patrick Mahomes is
the king of the castle? Yeah? That's uh. There are

(05:07):
a couple of ways to look at this, and none
of them validate that one hundred at the top of
the list. Is I was I'm really thinking about this
because I want to expand my mind, and every now
and then I'm so passionate about one side that I
don't even look at the other side. Right, So, even
if I look at the other side, I think there

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are two angles that make the most sense, and none
of them back up Tyreek Hill being number one over
Patrick Mahomes, where no matter how you slice it, it's
it comes up Mahomes. So one angle is just the obvious.
If the Chiefs who traded Tyreek Hill and then won
the next two Super Bowls, if they had traded Patrick

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Mahomes instead, I think they're even sniffing two straight super Bowls.
Of course, Now the other is I love that. That
is an evil genius, doctor evil rich Nberger.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Laugh right.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Right on the money. The other angle is this, in
this top one hundred list, they try to just look
at position by position. We know quarterback is the most
valuable position in football. The top quarterback is way more
valuable than the top wide receiver. They try to put
that to the side. So even ask yourself this question,

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is Tyreek Hill better as a wide receiver or is
Patrick Mahomes better as a quarterback? That right, like, Mahomes
is better. Mahomes is absolutely without a doubt the best
quarterback in the NFL right now, unless you're trying to
get some clicks on your wacky top ten quarterbacks list,

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Mahomes is number one. Rich laid it out all the accolades.
It's indisputable. Tyreek Hill is not, without a doubt, the
receiver in the NFL right now. I think most people
have justin Jefferson is the number one guy right now.
So it's not indisputable. So even if you look at
just like this is baseball, is this second basement the

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best second basement compared to this left fielder?

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Right Like?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Even if you say Tyreek Kill is a wide receiver,
is he better in that realm than Mahomes's as a quarterback?
The answer is still no. So, long story short, this
list sucks.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's terrible. It's yeah, And so you're on a insummation.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, it does.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
It does fail. I look, there's so many things about
this list that are are arguable. But one of the things,
when you really look through it, and I've given it
a cursory view, there's something like twenty receivers, I mean
wide receivers have taken over this league. There's no question.
I mean, go through the list of names that are

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just popping off the screen and Tyreek Kill Justin, Jefferson,
AJ Brown, I'm on Ross, Ain't Brown, Mike evn cd Limb,
I mean, go down the list. Terry McLaurin makes an appearance.
It's it's uh, it's one of those times where there's
been a great transition. I mean, the the the littering
of of wide receivers all over this list just goes

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to show you where we're at and the fact that
a wide receiver has claimed the top spot. Just I mean,
it really exemplifies or highlights where we're at. This is
now a passing league. This is what people want to see.
They want to see their their fantasy team light up.
When when Sunday comes, you know, we're all general managers now.

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Every single person I know is in a fantasy league.
Everybody is getting the emails from their their league's commissioners
and they're getting ready and the buy ins are coming.
It's it's this is a part of the culture now.
And so why like Patrick Mahomes is valuable to the Chiefs.
Anybody who understands football understands his value to the game

(09:04):
and his value to sports. But when you're a general
manager and you're running a fantasy football team, who's more
valuable Patrick Mahomes or Tyreek Hill? And I think that's
what this has transitioned to. I think that our opinions
have been skewed by our hobbies. And our hobby is

(09:24):
more than watching football, it's playing fantasy football, and so
I think that has a lot to do with this.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
That's a really interesting take, because you're right, in terms
of the fantasy world, the quarterback is not valued as
much as the other positions are because you only start
one of them. And if there's only ten or twelve
teams in the league, well, odds are you're gonna have
multiple quarterbacks still available on the wire that you can
still pick up. You want to hear a fun fact,
I haven't played fantasy football in three years. Three years

(09:53):
because I'm just I'm so consumed with the gambling stuff now.
It's just I don't have the time and I'm just
being I feel like I'm on one of those medieval
torture acts extrection. So many different directions if I have
like multiple fantasy teams and survivor and this and all that.
Here's a fun little caveat here and I'll throw this
into the mix and you tell me what you think.
It appears, and I could be wrong about this. It
appears this list the current players in the league were

(10:16):
the ones voting. Is that true? Yes? And that's the
funny thing, the qualifying right there. I'm so glad you
brought that up, because it's like, oh, the players when
some award is voted on, right, and it comes out
like the media voted on it, the players are like, oh,
the players should vote on this because the players know, Yeah,
the players don't, or how about this, or the players

(10:40):
are fatigued with Mahomes, like this guy so much, he's
won so much, screw them?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Is there no fan voting a part of this at all?
This is one hundred. It appears. And here's the interesting part.
I pulled up last year's list. Guess who was number
one on last year's list? And guess who was number two?
Patrick Mahomes justin Jefferson, Hm.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yes, it's what's changed, right, Yeah, he won another Super
Bowl and was electric, so like he should definitely, Yeah,
we're gonna downgrade him. And here's the best part, Tyreek Hill.
Last year it was seventh on the list.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I gotta tell you, I mean, maybe maybe it's changed.
I barely remember filling this out when I was playing.
Oh you filled one of these outrage I barely remember it.
I I kin't. I mean, it's the faintest of memories.
And I'm gonna tell you right now, I promise you
I've never filled it out completely. I mean, if, if,

(11:38):
and here. I know these lists are very important to
you know, to fans because you know this. This stirs
something in there. Look, it stirred something in me. I
had forgotten that we were even participants in there. But
the crazy thing about the fact that this is left
to the players to decide. Let me tell you who's

(11:59):
the worst people to decide who's the best athleague. It's
the guys who are consumed with being the best at
what they're doing. Yes, right, Because there is a certain
level of self centeredness you need to have to be
a professional athlete that's under discussed because of the sacrifices
that the people who are closest to you have to
make as a result of that. It is a selfish

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endeavor being a professional athlete. I'll repeat that, it is
an extremely selfish endeavor being a professional athlete. You have
to be so self absorbed. You have to be constantly
thinking about if you got enough sleep, if you got
the right nutrition, if your weight is dialed into the
correct amount of pounds, if the scale is going to

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say something that you're confident in when you take the
field on Sunday, especially if you're an offensive lineman who
struggled the game weight like I did at that at
that time, you know, do you have the playbook down?
Did you spend enough time? Do you have to skip
that that dinner with friends so you can you know,
study film. I mean, you ruin your social life in
order to have a professional life when it comes to football,

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and everybody's fine with it around you. That's the other
thing is because you're chasing a dream, nobody wants to
get in your way. So you have very few people saying, no,
you need to have balance, No you don't. You need
to be the best. That's what you're chasing. And so
if you're gonna stick a list in front of me,

(13:26):
this superfluous, ridiculous waste of my time list in front
of me and say hey, if you got a second, rich,
could you fill out this list? Because the fans really
want to know who you think are the top one
hundred players in the league. I'm gonna be like, yeah, sure, nah,
and I'm gonna rip it up and I'm going to

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move on with my day doing what I think I
need to do to make sure that I'm ready to
I don't know, face the Arizona Cardinals or the Green
Bay Packers or the New York Giants. I'm not worried
about a list. So the NFL football players are probably
the worst human beings to vote on who the best
NFL football The list is really tough too, Like the

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number on hundred guy list is Zire Franklin.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Like who in the league. And I'm not saying people
don't know who Zaire Franklin is, But if you're just
a random player in the league, do you really know
the difference between Zaire Franklin and Levonte David, who's ninety
nine on the list? Like how do you grade those guys?
It's really tough just throwing names out there. And this
is a little bit that goes into it as well,
Like you talk about being biased, and that's what rich
was explaining there. Right, here's some audio. This gives you

(14:34):
a little encapsulation of the player's mindset. This is Bengals
wide receiver Jamar Chase. Check this out. Who is the
number one player? I'm not saying him. I get credit
when to due, but I'm not saying his name. Yeah
you do.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I'm not saying his name. Brother. I'm sorry, Joe Burrow.
He's good, He's amazing, He's good. Not gonna lie. I'm
salty though, a little solid two years in a row.
I'm put Borough.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
First, right right, so you know it is. Mahomes got
us a couple of times. He won't even say his names,
like Baltimore. What one real, last thing, real quickly from me?
Is I think putting Lamar over Mahomes is a worse
take than putting Tyreek Hill over Mahomes because at least

(15:25):
there's an argument where it's like, hey, is is Tyreek
better as a wide receiver as Mahomes is as a quarterback?
The answer, of course is no. But at least that's
a better argument than hey, is, uh is Mahomes better
as a quarterback than Lamar is? It's like, hell, yeah
he is. It's not even close. Like just a couple

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of numbers to compare. Just look at the playoffs Lamar
is two and four. Realize Mahomes is fifteen and three
in the playoffs and just touchdowns to interceptions. You could
look at all the numbers if you want to do.
They all Mahomes in the playoffs. Lamar touchdowns to picks
six to six, Mahomes touchdowns to picks forty one to eight.

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And you're gonna rank Lamar, who hasn't even gotten to
a Super Bowl, who fades in the playoffs over Mahomes.
You're on drugs? In no world does that come close
to making sense? Yeah, no sense at all.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I feel like this is a machination of a public
relations assistant somewhere in you know, the NFL headquarters, where
their task like, hey, listen, we got back all these
sheets from the players. You know, most of them are
torn in half, some of them are half filled out.
Could you guys make sense of this? So they locked

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themselves in a boardroom for four hours and they start
going through this list, and they realize at some point
every year, this is an effort in like ridiculous vanity.
You know, you're trying to cobble together a list from,
like you said, a majority biased people or people who

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just don't care because they have more important things to
do than worry about filling out one hundred names on
a list. I would have a hard time, honestly committing
the energy to filling out a top twenty because you're
just busy. I mean, and it's nonsense. It like like,
let me tell you something, let me tell you something.

(17:29):
There wasn't a single head coach, offensive coordinator, offensive line
coach whoever said to me, Hey, Rich, listen, awesome job Sunday.
We got film work Monday, and then we got the
day off Tuesday. Hey, on your day off Tuesday, make
sure you get that top.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
One hundred list.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like not happening. So this was a This is the
pr arm of the NFL trying to get fans fired up,
and that's all it is.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
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buying should be. Okay. So, the Hall of Fame game
was on Thursday, and the big takeaway was kickoffs look
a whole lot different. It was your first glimpse into
the XFL inspired kickoff returns that will take place in
the NFL all season long. And it was funny because

(20:19):
Devin Hester, who's going into the Hall of Fame today,
is going to be enshrined great return man. We got
his thoughts on this. There weren't any long kickoff returns right,
nothing beyond the thirty one yard line, and Devin Hester
said the new kickoff rules are quote kind of shaky.

(20:40):
What he said, so My thought was, you know, we
didn't have three touchdowns on kickoff returns. I screw this
year for we need instant results here. But look, man,
there were twenty one percent of kickoffs that were returned
last season. I think that's the lowest since nineteen seventy

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twenty one percent were returned, and that number is going
to greatly rise this season. I think it's absolutely better.
At least he gets some action. You are going to
get some long returns, You're going to get some touchdowns
at times. I'm all in on the new kickoff format,
are you, guys?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
I'm I'm undecided, But overall I didn't like it. You know,
I remember watching it a couple of times in the UFL,
and then watching it, you know, some of the clips
leading into this game this week, you know, discussing the
new kickoff rules. Look, I'm a fan of Look. Change

(21:40):
is inevitable. So you're either a fan of it or
you're afraid of it. I'm typically a fan of change.
I think it's I think it's overall good to try
new things. Sometimes those new things don't work out, and
I think the NFL has dabbled in that pool a
fair amount. You know, if you if you think about,
for example, the egregious n on call pass interference in

(22:02):
the NFC Championship game between the Saints and the Rams,
and the still Saints fans especially, but the Saints players
who are on the field, they will still complain about that.
That might have been their shot to the Super Bowl,
and who knows, may have rewritten the history of the NFL.
But I digress. The very next season, the NFL decided

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to change the PI rules so that you could review PI.
It was the first time they ever gave people or
coaches the opportunity to do that. Well, here's the problem.
It didn't work, and so they went back to the
old way. It is conceivable that the NFL will do
this and it won't work, and then it'll just be

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a weird footnote in the history of the game and
they'll go back to the way it used to be.
What this reminds me of, and I tweeted about this
this week, is when you get a brand new bike
for the first time on Christmas, but the only way
you're allowed to ride it is if you're wearing knee pads,
elbow hats, risk guards, the gloves on your hands, the
fingerless gloves. You gotta wear the helmet, you gotta wear

(23:05):
a reflective vests, and your parents need to be supervising you.
Otherwise you're not allowed to ride that bike. Okay, now,
go have fun. It just feels like we're trading in.
I guess some level of fun for safety, you know,
And I don't know if I don't know if football
needs to be safer. It's pretty safe right now.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Yeah, I think. I I'm okay with it. I'm okay
with change. I agree Rich, it's gonna be wonky. But
here's why I like it. I like it because it
changes the dynamic of how we view certain situations. For example,
this kickoff rule, in my opinion, gives teams a better
chance to have better field position. I think the average

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starting field position will increase in the NFL because if
you take the touchback, you're at the thirty yard line,
and there will be some times where the touchback does occur.
Right if you kick it in the end zone, it
goes out to the thirty And I think overall, because
of just the scheme of it, you will have teams
with better average starting field position than last year and

(24:12):
probably over the last twenty years on average. What that
does is it changes the goal to go dynamic, and
the coaches will make different decisions based off of it.
For example, fourth and goal from the one or two
yard line. If you know now the team is gonna
get the ball probably at the thirty on a kickoff,

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it makes the field goal considerably less. From that position,
I'm going for it more now on fourth and goal
from inside the three, I'm not taking the field goal
as much. It's not worth as much because the opponent's
gonna get the ball the thirty yard line. If we
kick it off right, we kick the field goal, they
get three points, and then we're gonna kick it off
and they're gonna get it to thirty probably. Why wouldn't

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I go for it, go for the touchdown? And if
I don't get it, well, now the team pinned back
inside and that matters more because on average, when you
kick it off, the team is starting closer to your
end zone. So it changes the math a little bit
on goal to go. That strategy and how coaches handle

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that intrigues me a lot. And I don't know if
the kickoffs are going to be this exciting play, we'll
get a few. I'm sure, but the way that the
denominator changes now with goal to go, because let's be honest,
those are the most impactful plays in the game. Third, fourth,
down inside the five, the difference between getting three and
getting seven usually decides the game. That is what intrigues

(25:40):
me about this new rule. You know, I've got something
to add here in a couple of minutes. But you
mentioned a couple of keywords there, impactful, you know, you know,
buzz right, Oh yeah, he said a couple of things
with intriguing, and it just got me thinking of one
Isaac loewen Kron this morning, right, who plus his way

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through the update.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Right, I don't have a sound effect for intriguing soul,
just have to wing a fellas. Good morning to you,
and let's start with the quarterfinals in women's soccer at
the Olympics. As we speak, Team USA and Japan are
scoreless in the thirty third minute in the first half.
Coming up at eleven to fifteen Eastern, the US men's

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basketball team takes on Puerto Rico in its final match
of pool play. The US has two to zero, already
clinched a spot in the quarterfinals. And Major League Baseball
on Friday night, Blake Snell of the San Francisco Giants
pitched a no hitter at a three to nothing victory
at Cincinnati. It was the third no hitter in the
Majors this year. Snell struck out eleven walk three through

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one hundred and fourteen pitches. It was the first complete
game of his major league career. A Minnesota Twins over
the White Sox ten to two. The White Sox have
now lost eighteen consecutive games, longest losing streak in the
Majors since the Orioles lost nineteen back in twenty twenty one.
But during this eighteen game losing streak, the White Sox
had been outscored one hundred and twelve to thirty nine.

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Ye A's held off the Dodgers sixty five, despite Shoe
O'tani's thirty third home run, Mets over the Angels in
Anaheim five to one. In Seattle, the Mariners defeated the
Phillies ten to two. Philadelphia has lost twelve of sixteen,
and the Colorado Rockies defeated this book, Padre, that's good,

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that's going on.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
You know, No, we could we can get away from
I love. That's a weird little that'll be all I
love that.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Was that was odd.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
My microphone light just went out, so that's weird.

Speaker 5 (27:44):
The Colorado Rockies won their game five to two.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
How's that, Rich?

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (27:49):
That that'll do? Thank you, Isaac Lowacron, very well, wonderful update,
Very well done.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
We appreciate that. I love Fox Sports Saturday here on
five Sports Radio. I was thinking about your bike comparison here, Rich. Yeah,
you know, I've got a bike comparison of my own. Okay,
I'd like to try on for size. Here is you know,
I get what you're saying about the safety aspect of this.
Where the kicking team they start at the opponent's forty

(28:17):
yard line, that's where they line up, so you don't
have those high impact plays. So I understand what you're saying, like,
go ahead, go ride your bike, but we need your
elbow pads, your knee pads. We want you to be
as safe as possible. Yeah, And I get how you're like,
that's not the coolest thing ever. I get that. The
thing with the old rules where these these kickers are

(28:37):
just banging the ball into the end zone. Out of
the end zone, there's no kickoff return in sight. That
would be like the bike situation. If your parents told you, yeah,
go ahead, ride your bike, and then the kid is
like all right, cool, they go and the front wheel
is gone. You know what I mean, Like there were
not even really riding your bike. There's nothing interesting about

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seventy nine percent of kickoffs not being returned.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I agree what we had and now we have.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Your argument is is a is a profound and important argument.
During this time you're looking for excitement on the football field,
I think everybody is, by and large. However, if we
just rewind the clock a little bit, we had a
perfect play. You kicked off. It was a twenty yard
touchback or fair catch rule, and most of those those

(29:32):
kickoffs were returned. Now, by the way, kickers have gotten
stronger over the years. So if you want to make
it so there's more returns back the kicker up five
more yards. That's the only change that you really needed
to make reasonably to make the game more interesting or exciting.
What this is aimed to do is make a dangerous
and violent game safer. And I don't think the players

(29:54):
were clamoring for it. I'm not even necessarily sure the
fans were clamoring for it. I think it was just
such a bad pr for the league to have guys
getting concussions at twice the rate per their stats on
kickoffs and kickoff returns than any other play on the
football field that they realized, like, geez, you know, maybe
having these guys running down the field sprinting into each

(30:16):
other is the wrong way to start a game, start
a half, or to follow every single score in a game.
So we ought to come up with something different. But
as soon as they started tinkering with the rules, Brian,
that's when we started having these problems. As soon as
you hyper incentivized fair catches and all those things, I mean,
you no longer had to play. And so it's to

(30:40):
me it's the problem with tinkering. Sometimes sometimes we lose
sight of well, the first thing was pretty good, and
we just tinkered our way into thinking like, well, now
we need to change this bad thing and make it better.
It's like no, no, no. If you just scrap all
of the changes we made and you go back to
the original idea, you had the most exciting version of

(31:03):
the kickoff, well.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
That's the thing is this would be like a vacation. Okay,
if your first choice is the old kickoff returns, right,
your first choice is, man, I've always wanted to go
to Italy. Okay, I've always wanted to go to Venice, right,
and then someone's like, that's off the table, can't go there.
It's a thing to get it out of your mind.
It's over. Yeah, Okay. Then it's like, okay, now we

(31:27):
get into this realm of well, I'd rather go to
Vegas than demoin right like that, that's where we are
with the kickoff. Yeah, like, get Italy out of your mind. Rich,
We're not getting Devin Hester returning a normal kickoff against
the Colts. Of it's done, it's over.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
I'd rather have these kickoff rules with actual kickoff returns,
which to me is Vegas instead of Hey, just have
Harrison Butker boot the ball out of the end zone
time after time in the Super Bowl. That's de mooined
to me. We've got real strategy now. This is Jared
has talked about this. This is like a different style

(32:05):
running play. We've got Justin Tucker, the Ravens kicker. He's
bulking up. He added pounds in the off season because
he might be in on some of these tackles. Here,
we've got the chiefs talking about do we have Justin
Reid kick off instead of butt like boom. We've got
something interesting going on that it's that's at least better

(32:27):
than touchback after touchback, you know what. That takes it
to a different level, it really does. Sorry, go ahead, No, no.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
I was just gonna say, I I really I wanted
to see Naples before I died. Nice. I don't know Mediterrane.
Can you imagine my skin ind on the Mediterrane?

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Geez, well, I guess you'ld do a remote in uh
in the on the Amalfi Coast, we get Scot Shapira
and get international remotes. There you go here, Yeah, I
like that all right. By the way, shortly after the show,
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(33:29):
right NFL, college football, it's right around the corner here.
We're gonna go back to the futures. Here, we're looking
at the futures market that you might be able to
take advantage of. And Jared Smith, he is all over it.
He's got what is it like? A beautiful mind with
Russell crowew guys three hours, diagrams and bart crafts and everything.

(33:51):
We'll go back to the futures. Coming up. It is
Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio. It
is Fox Sports Saturday, right here on Fox Sports Radio.
You know, we don't have time to waste. Let's dive
into this. It's back to the futures.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Maybe we can reoic comping up.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
Oh yes, the football season right around the corner. Looking
at the futures market. So many different ways to look
at it. You could look at individual awards, you could
look at team win totals. Jared, we'll start with you.
What's something that you like? Yeah, so I think you're right.
There are so many different ways that you can approach this.
I think this week I'll go individual and I'll save

(34:32):
some of the team stuff for down the road. But
I think the MVP market's one of my favorite to
handicap in the NFL because there is a clear diagram
for how you approach it. Right, the last seven winners
have come from the quarterback of a number one seed
in their respective confidence. That's it. If you can figure
out who the number one seed is in each conference,

(34:54):
you've got a really good chance to pick who the
MVP is. Again, seven consecutive winners the quarterback of the
number one seed. So let's go through the conferences. Well,
I think the AFC is a lot harder to pick
the number one seed. I think the Chiefs could have
a little hangover right regular season. I could see a
team like Baltimore Cincinnati kind of stealing it, or maybe
a team from another division because they have an easier schedule.

(35:14):
So I'm gonna focus on the NFC for my MVP
picks this year because I think that conference has a
chance to have a higher up side for teams. And
I think there's two teams I'm targeting, and neither of
them are San Francisco. I think it's Detroit. I think
it's Philly. Well, let's just take the quarterbacks of those
teams right, Jalen Hurts and Jared Goff. I think Jared
Goff has a really easy schedule, fourteen out of seventeen

(35:35):
games indoors. They have a really I would call it
high octane offense with Ben Johnson back. I think Philly
is a little bit different of an offense.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Jalen Hurts more of a runner than Jared Goff is.
I think he fits the profile of what an MVP is.
He kind of resembles what Lamar Jackson did last year.
So those are my two pre flop, meaning before the
season starts, MVP bets Jalen Hurts, Ared Goff.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Wow. Wow, all right. So Jared Goff, I'll say this.
I think he's spoiled with weapons. He's gonna have more
health coming back this season than he finished the season with,
and he looked pretty good to finish the season. He's
got consistency at the offensive coordinated position. I like this pick.
I think Jared gov has only trended upward, and unless

(36:24):
something ridiculous happens, which happens in the NFL, injury or otherwise,
I like this pick. I think I think I could
see Jared Goff being being voted in MVP because also
it's one of those awards where we know how this works.
It's as much how well did you play, but also
how much steam is on your name. The Detroit Lions

(36:47):
are a fan favorite. Yeah, everybody roots for their own team.
But when the field gets whittled and you have to
pick a likable candidate, don't you like don't you like
rooting for Dan camp All? I do?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yep, I you know, based on the NFL Network's top
one hundred list, I think with Tyreek Hill knows no
chance and there's your great Do not bet on a
non quarterback in this war?

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Oh no, do not bet.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
On a non court The non quarterback will win the
Offensive Player of the Year. That's the way that this
award has kind of been diversified.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Can weesting god je, I was just gonna say, can
we discuss Jalen Hurts a little bit for a second. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
I think Kellen Moore is gonna be the best thing
that ever happened to Jalen ere. Yeah, that's my prediction.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
You have been saying that. I do think he helps
goose quarterback stats because he is a little bit of
a guru with the vertical.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Game they run a fast tempo to more plays, more volume. Yeah,
I think I think Hurts I put it this way
where and this could be a good thing, Jared, this
is not a bad news here. I think there's a
lot of variance with Jalen Hurts, sure based on bumps
and bruises and injuries and right like, and so last

(38:01):
season he absolutely took a step back. You could say, well,
maybe he was nicked up a little bit more than normal.
Twenty three touchdowns, fifteen picks. So the thing is, if
if he's blessed with better health this season, you could
see an impact on the numbers as well. So it
could be health little Kellen Moore, little dash of this,
I agree. And another thing too, to keep in mind

(38:25):
the offensive coordinator last year, right like, Philly went through
the big change after their Super Bowl season, Stichen and
Gammon offensive and defensive coordinators both left town. The brains
left town. Nick Sirianni, I think was kind of left
on an island last year, and it was a difficult situation.
Right They brought in two very different coordinators this year,

(38:45):
Kellen Moore and Vic Vangio. I mean, it feels like
a lot more maturity is in the coaching suite now,
and I think it's gonna have a really positive I'm
really high on Philly heading in a year I'm down
on Dallas. I'm really high on Philip.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Give me another reason why that Jalen Hurts is going
to be much better this year. And I just compared
to the Tennessee Titans and I know, much lesser quarterback.
But when did Tannehill look his best in the NFL?
It was the years that Derrick Henry was going off.
We just looked at him differently. He was like, oh wow,
he's really a field general out there. You know, he

(39:20):
can really deliver in a pinch. And then you have
Derrick Henry waiting for the fourth quarter to take over games. Well,
you have Saquon Barkley now Binga and so if in Philly,
if he stays healthy, what an asset to take the
pressure off your quarterback with a capable running back playing behind,
mind you, the best offensive line he's played behind in

(39:42):
the entirety of his career. So expect big things out
of Phillies run game. Expect huge things out of Saquon
park He's the sixth favorite to be Offensive Player of
the Year.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
It's McCaffrey, Hill, Ceedee, Lamb, Jefferson, Chase than Saquon, right,
I think that's the bet i'd make. And Offensive Player
of the Year. I think Bruce Hall is a guy too,
like I'm I think running back make makes sense in
this market, you know, especially after what McCaffrey did last year.
I wouldn't bet McCaffrey at the top is the favorite.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Though.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
The funny thing to me is, and we could even
expand this, I love the Cowboys over nine and a
half wins. All right, let's go back and forth on
the Dallas them love.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Let's have a little let's have a little uh okay
off the Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
I got the nuggets where you might want to chew
on that you might not know about, you know, okay,
all right, you know if you're like, guys, stop what
the sweet barbecue sauce? Try the Mongolian hot sauce. I'm like, okay, fine,
don't give it a shot. I might not like it
at all. I might disregard it, but we'll get into that. Also,
on one hand, it makes sense, but on the other hand,

(40:46):
it makes no sense. Oh, happy Saturday, good morning to you.
You smell that do you smell that. I smell disagreement
in the air. That's what I smell. Okay, Team Jared
Smith says thumbs down to the twenty twenty four Dallas Cowboys.
Oh we're getting right into this. Huh yeah, oh yeah.

(41:08):
Team Brian No double thumbs up to America's team over
nine and a half wins this season. Now here's the thing.
I'm not gonna give you a dissertation, all right, just
a couple of cliffs notes over here. It wasn't too
long ago I found out there's an s it's cliffs No. Oh,
I did not know that. Yeah notes forever right, Yeah,

(41:32):
me too, And I googled, googled it, and I was like,
holy cow right, So I'll give you the cliffs notes
with the Dallas Cowboys. Listen, I get it. They're not
a popular team in terms of like, yay Dallas Cowboys,
Like I want to bet on the Dallas Cowboys. They're
known for what they don't do well. They crashed and

(41:54):
burned against the Green Bay Packers in the playoffs. We
all know that. But here's the thing. The Cowboys, for
a third straight season, won twelve games. They won twelve
games for a third straight season. And not only do
they have Michael Parsons and all those weapons on offense,
they get tray Von Diggs back. They get a really
really good cornerback that they didn't have for most of

(42:16):
the last season. They get him back, and we just
have to get to ten wins. I'm not saying they're
super Bowl bound or anything like that, but we gotta
get to ten wins. And where's the huge loss. Okay,
they didn't bulk up in terms of big free agent acquisitions,
but who did they lose Tony Pollard? Like, who did

(42:37):
they lose? That's gonna make a big, big difference. I
don't see it. And so to get to ten wins.
That by the way, the under is the most popular
bet on bet MGM. Yeah, that's why I wouldn't bet
the under, right right. Yeah, That's the thing is if
you tell me like, hey, is this a popular pick
taking the over, and it's just like, no, no action,

(43:00):
it's the most popular pick, you take the under, I'm like, Okay,
I'm more than sold on the over now, because again,
you gotta get to ten wins. And the last thing
I'll say for now is this, right, look at the
Philadelphia Eagles. Oh, look at the Eagles, ah Man Jalen Hurts,
look out like the Eagles went ten and one. They

(43:21):
were just like like Ben Johnson, remember the sprinter Ben
Johnson out of the Blox, just like a bolt of lightning.
That was the Eagles last year. And then what happened?
They sucked though they lose six of their last seven games.
They got punked by Baker Mayfield and the wild card
of the playoffs. If that were the Dallas Cowboys. Do

(43:44):
you realize what people would be saying about Dallas right now?
They start off ten and one and then they just
absolutely nosedive. They'd even be less of a popular team
this season, right like betting wise, do they get to
ten wins? I don't think getting the ten wins is
too much to ask at all. I love them to

(44:04):
be a double digit win team.

Speaker 2 (44:06):
I don't love tying wins to the quarterback position. I
think there's a little too much weight placed on wins
and losses laying at the feet of a quarterback because
there's so many other things that need to go right
for a victory to take place. But a quarterback is
an important part and since the Prescott era started in
Cowboy Land, they're sixty one and thirty six, and a

(44:29):
lot of those losses actually came when Dak was unavailable
to play at times during his stretch as a starter.
And then you look over at Mike McCarthy. He's got
a sixty one point four winning percentage, So he's six
fourteen over the course of his over the course of

(44:50):
his long tenure as a head coach. That's a better
winning percentage than Bill Parcells, Chucknoll, Tom Landry, and Bill Walsh,
among other greats. So when you look at the two
most important, arguably the two most important people on a
football team, the head coach and the quarterback, and you
look at how they've won separate from each other and

(45:11):
now together, it's hard for me to say, yeah, you know,
Dallas Cowboys gonna have a down year, because it'll break
the norm. The norm is these not only are these
two guys winners, but together they've won a lot of
football games. So assuming health, then you always assume health.
I guess when you're placing a bet like this, unless

(45:33):
you know it's a situation like Kirk Cousins or Aaron
Rodgers is coming off an Achilles injury and you kind
of have to factor in some of that. I think
that the Dallas Cowboys, I feel like the over hits
and the overhits comfortably.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
I do like over nine and a half wins. I
think that's a good bet because the Cowboys are a
regular season bully. But here is here are the chinks
in the armor. Right here is the canary and the
home line they are. Last year, I think they were
the one of the most volatile teams in the league.
What do I mean by that? There were twenty games
last year where a team won by twenty eight points

(46:10):
or more. The Cowboys accounted for six of those games.
They feasted off of one of the easiest schedules in
the league Giants twice, Washington twice, Carolina, New England, Jets, Arizona.
Those are their wins. They went just three and five
against playoff teams. They don't bring back the defensive genius
dan Quinn. I think that matters a lot. Mike Zimmers

(46:33):
pretty good he is, but I think dan Quinn's better.
And I think the situation that I see here where
Dallas now plays eight games against the top ten this
year and seven games against the bottom ten, that is unprecedent.
It's only a curt fourteen times since two thousand. Where
a team plays so many good teams and so many

(46:54):
bad teams, their season will be littered with volatility. I
don't like what they on the offensive line. They lost
their best left tackle to the Jets, their starting center,
best running back Tony Pollards gone. I do think Zeke
will give them some stability at running back. They'll get
the tough yards, but I don't see a whole lot
of explosion at the running back position. I see a

(47:17):
thin wide receiver group outside of Ceedee Lamb. I just
I see a lot of very intriguing Hey, this spot
is really tough. For example, in Week twelve, coming off
of a Monday night game against Houston in a short
week on the road in Washington, and the Commanders have
extra rest in that day in that game, Like circle
that game Week twelve against Washington, because that is a

(47:40):
really tough spot. Like they have a lot of these
really tricky spots late in the year against tough divisional opponents. Situationally,
that skew against them. I think Dallas is a bully.
I think they feast on the bad teams and they
struggle against the good ones. And I think they play
a lot of good teams this year, including two out
of their first three at Cleveland versus Baltimore. Like, it's

(48:03):
just I don't think they're gonna be this thirteen win behemoth.
Ten wins makes a ton of sense. But super Bowl
forget it, no shot. They're not even on my list
of teams that can win the Super Bowl this year. Wow,
like incapable, incapable, They are not going. There's really only
like six or seven teams on the list, and they

(48:24):
are not one of them. Okay, I look at the schedule,
and I get what you're saying, Jared, But the thing
that I like about Dallas is again, they've won twelve
games three seasons in a row, so they're used to
playing a first place schedule and you get basically three
games that are different if you compare the schedule among

(48:45):
your own division. And so the Cowboys have played a
first play schedule here at least a top schedule first
or second for a number of years. So I think
a team like not to shift focus completely, I'll bring
back to the Cowboys here, but think of a team
like the Houston Texans. Okay, Houston went from worst to first.

(49:07):
So that's great, but along with that comes a first
play schedule.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So the Texans, they are three games that were different
than their divisional opponents. Last year they went with Arizona,
Denver and at the Jets. Okay, they trade that in
this year for at Dallas, at the Chiefs, and they
host Baltimore on Christmas. Like that that could be the

(49:32):
difference between you're over or under cashing and they're at
nine and a half wins, just like the Cowboys. I'll
tell you what, the Texans. It seems like there isn't
a more popular pick right now in the NFL where
look at CJ. Stroud, Look at this Texans team there
on the rise. Over you play a first play schedule,
you might not get to double digits. But back to

(49:53):
the Cowboys, Look, yeah, did they lose a little bit here? Okay?
Fight does it make a mammoth difference? I love this, Jared, Like,
on a week to week basis, is Tony Pollard worth
what half a point?

Speaker 2 (50:08):
Like?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Maybe not even that, you know, so we can't overstate
like how big of a lgry that is, Like over
the course of the season, that's not gonna be the
difference between twelve wins and like ten or nine wins.
You know, it just isn't. I like Tony Pollard, He's
just not making that big of a difference. And I
think that when you look at it's a different bar,

(50:29):
like the playoff bar, the super Bowl bar, that's completely
different than getting to ten wins. I think they get
to ten wins, Brian, I do.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I think they're a regular season bully.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
And I think it's I think it's a fair bet,
and I think it's also one of those bets that
will probably cash. I mean again, so much changes during
the regular season. What if Washington has a renaissance, you
know what I mean, don't. I don't expect that for
the Giants, but Philadelphia you have high expectations for Jalen

(50:59):
Hurts the Eagles this year with Kellen Moore as their
offensive coordinator Jared so all of a sudden, the division
could get much more tricky for the Cowboys, and things happen.
You know, even with health, you could get caught a
couple of times, lose a couple of home games, maybe
you should win, and then all of a sudden, your
season prospects look a lot different and you may have

(51:19):
to sweat that bet. But double digits wins in the
regular season for the Cowboys has been such a consistency
for them over the course of the past half decade.
It doesn't feel like a far cry from what we'll see.
But in terms of playoff success, I don't know. Nothing
motivates me to believe that the Cowboys are gonna all

(51:40):
of a sudden figure it out, because what's changed magnificently
in the direction of improvement, you know what I mean
when you look at the roster, when you look at
the coaching staff, have they made a change or the
change now?

Speaker 1 (51:59):
And they did nothing in offseason right right? They got worse.
They lost their defensive coordinator, who's I think the mastermind
behind it all.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Arguably so. And yeah, and and to Brian's point, Mike Zimmer,
if there's one strength that the Vikings had in that
division in the North for all those years, is they've
they really cobbled together some some pretty astounding defenses with
spare parts sometimes and they created stars on that side
of the ball that very few people respected. Because you know,

(52:29):
Kirk Cousins got the moniker of fading and you know,
prime time and all that stuff. So there was a
lot of that conversation when Mike Zimmer was the head
man over there, and and that sort of went away
when they became a little bit more offensive with Kevin
O'Connell taking over as the head coach. But Mike Zimmer
good defensive coordinator, so well we'll see. I mean again,

(52:50):
it really is. It feels like we're juggling because you
want to say all these nice things about the Cowboys
because they got some shiny cars, partly in that garage.
The problem is every time they seem to take them out,
it's a smooth ride, but if you take a Ferrari
off road, and that's what the playoffs iss. Yeah, all
of a sudden, I mean, they get stuck on top

(53:12):
of a rock and they're like, yeah, I don't know.
I mean, the tires aren't touching in the back.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
So we're gonna give you one more nugget here to
chew on. Brian, And I'm curious your thoughts on this.
Would you agree that turnovers are the most volatile statistic
in the NFL? Very hard to repeat back to back
a good turnover year.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It's hard to repeat that last year the defense. The
Cowboys defense ranked number one in the NFL and expected
points added from turnovers, and they had a record six
defensive touchdowns. Excuse me not record. The record was the
five pick sixes by Deron Bland. The six defensive touchdown
was league leading. When you filter out the garbage time

(53:48):
and all those defensive touchdowns, the Cowboys defense was thirty
first in success rate alout. Like, I think, if they
can't repeat six defensive touchdowns and all of the variants
from getting turnovers, their defense is going to take a
step back this year. And how about this? On first
down they could not stop the run, dead last in

(54:11):
success rate last year. Stopping the run on first down again,
they're a bully number one in the NFL and efficiency
against bottom ten offenses their defense, but when they face
the top ten offense last year, their efficiency dropped the
twenty first again. They play eight teams in the top
ten this year in terms of the overall rating. Last
year they went three and five against playoff teams. If

(54:33):
they go three and five against those eight teams in
the top ten, that means they've got to go seven
to two in the other games, or what seven and
two or seven and three on my map might be off.
They gotta win seven games right to get to ten,
So they better be perfect against those bad teams because
they play a much more top heavy schedule this year. Okay,
sometimes you have to read between the lines on stats.

(54:54):
You know, our stats can mislead you. You gotta be smarter.
I'm not saying this directed at you, Jared. I'm just
saying the one that caught my attention was the pick six.
Is Deron Bland went crazy and listen some of those games,
instead of winning by two touchdowns, they won by three touchdowns,
you know what I mean? Like, this wasn't a pick

(55:15):
six in the final two minutes and they won the
game by one point, you know. So that's one thing.
And the other part of this is you get Trayvon
Diggs back. That's a big, big benefit to your defense.
And yeah, you lose dan Quinn as a defensive coordinator.
But which would you rather have if you're being fully honest,
would you rather have dan Quinn back there and still

(55:37):
no Trayvon Diggs or would you rather have Mike Zimmer
and Trayvon Diggs. I still think you're coming out ahead
as the Dallas Cowboys getting digs back. That's how good
of a cornerback he is. And I think, going back
to your point, rich Man, I could talk about the
Cowboys all day.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
They turned out crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Yeah, I love what you're saying about the on road
versus off road thing metaphor. It's really good because the Cowboys,
when you get to the playoffs and you go off
road the Ferrari, it doesn't perform very well. But the
mistake that some are making is they're acting like the
regular season is the off road course and it isn't

(56:18):
compared to the playoffs. It's not. And the Cowboys as
a Ferrari, they have performed at a high high level
on the regular season race course. They have, so I
don't know why would be downgrading them as if this
is off road and the playoff course when it isn't.
Right Like they're going over nine and a half wins

(56:38):
and they're gonna get bounced in the first round of
the playoffs. Yeah, that's one hundred percent of how the
script is going for the Cowboys.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Last thing I'll say is the last time the Cowboys
were really successful was when they were they were such
bullies and they were so tough upfront on the offensive
and defensive line. You remember those teams in the nineties,
if you were alive for it, yep, they ran the
football down your neck. They they stopped. I mean, you

(57:05):
didn't have a run game. And then they had talent
on the edges. So if you did try to throw
it over the top, I mean, good luck, good luck.
It was. It was a defense and an offensive line,
especially during those days where they they really built it
the right way. In fact, I'll make the comparison the
way that Dallas Cowboys were built back in the nineties

(57:26):
is how the current day San Francisco forty nine ers
have built their team. Now, the San Francisco forty nine
ers have suffered significant losses on their offensive line.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, they're they're all line is not that good? Rich
yeahs offenses. Their offensive line is really bad.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah they've they've they've really I think.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
The Lions are better a better comparison to how they're
actually Cowboys are.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Thank you. That's actually a better comparison. Right now. The
way the Niners used to be is the comparison. The
way the Detroit Lions are built up now is the comparison.
Because they've made a commitment to building from the inside out.
And it's a beautiful thing because that is that is Look,
it's I'll say it all the all day long. It
is a passing game, don't get me wrong, Like this

(58:06):
is a passing league. If you don't have a at
very least a solid quarterback and good receivers, you're not
gonna win very many football games. But you do need
to pay attention to the line of scrimmage because if
you don't, you'll lose sight of how these quarterbacks are protected,
how you do stop the run, and also having a
run game yourself because it balances your offense. And and

(58:27):
that's where the Dallas Cowboys have fallen down. To me,
there's no commitment to the run with Mike McCarthy. To me,
it's it's all about stopping the passer and those interception
and uh iron t pick six is that's great and
and it's a feast or famine stat like you pointed out, Jared.
But that's the reason why when you get to the postseason,

(58:50):
they the flame starts to flicker because the consistency goes away.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
Offensive line too, So what are the two most important
positions on the offensive line? Rich left tackle and center. Yep,
left tackle rookie this year for the Cowboys. Tyler Geiton,
center gone brock k Hoffman who's never started before, new
starting center and at the receiver position right we love
Ceedee Lamb. Behind him is thirty year old Brandon Cooks,

(59:17):
who barely had seven hundred yards. I think last year
Man and then Jalen Tolbert. I don't love the prospects
of what Dallas did in the offseason. I don't think
they got better. I think they're the same team, and
I think it's fair to say they're gonna win ten
or eleven games in the regular season. But I don't
think this team has a championship pedigree at all. They

(59:38):
never know. I this is the last thing real fast
is I get it what you said about left tackle
and the center right there, But hey man, sometimes rookies
come in and they are productive. I think it's a
mistake to act like no. Look at Rayshawn Slater with
the Chargers. He hit the ground running like Joe Walt

(59:59):
might be fantastic with the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
This.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yeah, Tyler Geiden might be great. I agree, he might
be great.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I know Terren Smith was fantastic, although he was getting
up there in age. I think the Cooks thing will
be intriguing, Like if they lose Ced Lamb for any
significant period of time and he's gotten hurt before, you
have Brandon Cooks at your number one receiver position. Okay,
we gotta go. We've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American,
Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian know. Okay, I've

(01:00:25):
got three beefs. Okay, we got to find out if
Rich and Jared if I'm gonna have a winning record
with agreement over here. Okay, I'm trying to get to
two and one with both of them who are on
board with my beefs. We'll see if I can do
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beefs over here. Okay, I've got three of them, and
I want to see if I can get honest approval. Okay,

(01:01:32):
honest approval, not like yeah, sure, sure, no, sure, I'll
go along with that. Now I went honesty over here.
I'm gonna throw it your way. But we were quite
long winded. We were gas bags in the first segment.
It's time to work Isaac Lohan Kron into the four
man weave over it here right away, and I will

(01:01:53):
get you beef number one first though, the great Isaac
Lowan Kron.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Who's with us here, always great to be their precise
when I'm needed. And we start at the Olympics as
we speak. In the US women's soccer team in a
tough battle right now in its quarter final match against Japan.
They remain scoreless. They are now in the seventy second
minute in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:02:16):
The US men's basketball team will take on Puerto Rico
coming up at eleven to fifteen Eastern time this morning.
Some forty five minutes from now in its final game
of group play. Team USA two to zero has already
clinched a spot in the quarterfinals. Drew Holiday will not
play in this game because of an ankle injury. In
Major League Baseball, on Friday night, Blake Snell of the

(01:02:36):
San Francisco Giants pitched a no hitter in a three
to nothing win at Cincinnati. It was the third no
hitter in the majors this year. He struck out eleven
walk three through one hundred and fourteen pitches. It was
the first complete game of his major league career. Twins
over the White Sox ten to two. The White Sox
now in an eighteen game losing streak, A's held off

(01:02:57):
the Dodgers six y five, despite Shohey O'tani's thirty third
home run. Finally, NFL media reported a short time ago
that Arizona Cardinals pass rusher at bj Ojulari tore his
ACL and practice on Friday. O Julari had four sacks
last year during his rookie campaign of twenty twenty three.
Fellas back to you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Thank You, I Low. It is Fox Sports Saturday, right
here on Fox Sports Radio. Kind of this is weird,
like great timing. I low mentioning that, and I hate
that for bj O Julari going down in practice. But
here's the thing, this is beef number one for me.
All Right, You've got these players in the NFL that
are getting hurt in practice.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
DeAndre Hopkins, Titans wide receiver, he's out for four to
six weeks. Seahawks quarterback Geno Smith he had to undergo
tests for knee and hip injuries. He got banged up
in practice. Should be okay, isn't expected to miss any time,
although he did miss two practices. And I just started
thinking about all these injuries, and it's funny to me

(01:03:59):
because football listen, players get hurt in practice. I don't
know why we're acting like preseason games are like juggling
steak knives, you know what I mean. Like nobody is
sitting here saying, oh, don't practice, it's too risky. You
want to be healthy for the regular season. Right, So,
on one hand, I get it, you don't want to

(01:04:20):
take an additional risk with a player going down. Okay, fine,
But in certain cases like Aaron Rodgers he's gotten four
snaps with the Jets, He's like, put me in, coach,
give me some preseason reps. Hereies ready to go, and
Sala's like, nah, no, my gut feeling he shouldn't be
out there. Caleb Williams, Daisy fresh rookie with the Bears.

(01:04:43):
You can't get him a series or two, especially a quarterback,
Like what are the chances that he gets banged up
and he's missing significant time because of a preseason injury.
So I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Players get hurt in practice, they get hurt in joint practices,
they're not held out of that. But when it comes
to the preseason games, it's like, oh, no, death defying
stunt if you even think about going out there. I
got a beef with certain players not getting any reps
in the preseason. I don't think it's a smart approach.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
I agree with you one hundred percent. I think that
the only way to get better at something, truly get
better at something, is by taking live reps at it.
You know, I mean, it doesn't matter what it is.
I don't care. If you are an accountant and you
talked about tax season and a bunch of classes at

(01:05:33):
your university, you have no idea what the late nights
are going to look like until you have your first April,
you know, or based on extensions, your your first October.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
I mean like it's it's gonna be a couple of rough,
really rough weeks that nobody can prepare you for. I
mean in football, it's the same thing. I mean, nobody
can prepare you for the speed of the game when
the bullets are flying for and it's something that every
player needs. It's something that every player desires, frankly, to

(01:06:08):
have real live reps so that you can start to
quell some of the nervousness of being new at something,
so you can knock a little bit of the shine
off of the the the bumper, right, you know what
I mean. You don't want to go out there and,
like you said, being shiny, new daisy fresh, because if
you're not battle tested, you have no idea what battle

(01:06:29):
feels like. How can you go hit you know, the
field of play and expect to have any sort of results.
So I agree with you, however, and I know you
will understand this too, Brian. This is a business decision, yep.
The investment that these teams making these players, and the
amount of money that swirls around endorsement and advertising opportunities

(01:06:55):
tied to the teams tied to these players. You know,
fantasy football general mat all across the world, won all
of these healthy players ready for the start of the season.
If they go down during training camp, it doesn't do
anybody any favors, or preseason doesn't do anybody any favors.
So to me, that's this is the intersection of business
and sport, and business is winning in these conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:19):
I agree that they should play in the preseason. Brian,
I agree hundred percent with your take. So you got
both of us on board for ree Go. I think yeah.
I mean, listen, especially with Caleb Williams. I mean, he's
a rookie.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
With Aaron Rodgers, he's coming off of and Kelly's injury.
He's forty one years old, he played a million preseasons.
I'm fine with that, especially as a Jets fan, like
rap this dude in tin foil, bubble rap and just
you know, stash him until that Niners game in Week one.
But for Caleb Williams, there's zero excuse for him not
to play in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:07:52):
I don't know if he's gonna know. I know he
didn't play the other night. I don't know if he's
not gonna play any entire preseason, if that's been announced yet,
But if he is not going to play in the
entire preseason, Like, how can you justify that in any way?
I don't understand it. I don't understand he's never taken
a snap in the NFL. You want his first snap
to be Week one, in his first real game. That

(01:08:12):
just doesn't make sense to me. And I know, I
think there was another team that did this last year
with their rookies. I forget which one with the rookie quarterback.
It might have been CJ's DRD. It might have been
Brice Young one of those teams. It wasn't I remember
it Wasn't he played in the preseason. I remember there
was one quarterback rookie who did not play in the preseason.
I'm like, what, Like this makes no sense? And the
injury thing matters, And I agree with you, Rich, like

(01:08:35):
the business side of it matters, But you gotta have experience,
Like you can't just walk in to the league Week
one and expect to be good. Like I think the
preseason is only three games. I think the rookies should
be playing in the preseason. All Okay, here's beef number two,
and I liked that you guys are on board with
team over great start. Now, I don't want to lead

(01:08:57):
the witnesses, but I feel I feel like impending agreement
might be in the air. Okay, So last night there
was a no hitter throne Blake Snell, San Francisco Giants pitcher.
He no hit the Reds. He had never gotten into
the ninth inning before in his career, which is amazing

(01:09:18):
to me. So one hundred and fourteen pitches, and it
got me thinking of the previous no hitter. Rich your
guy Dylan sees over there with the Padres, he no
hit the Nationals a little over a week ago. One
hundred and fourteen pitches. As far as I know, his
arm has not fallen off yet. Okay, it's still attached.
And there was a seventy six minute rain delay and

(01:09:41):
the guy still went back out there and threw a no.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I'm sorry, but it just gets me thinking about our guy,
Paul Skeins. Okay, ninety nine pitches at Milwaukee. He didn't
allow a hit through seven innings, and they said it's
too risky, we can't get this guy out here, even
though he's a freaking bald. I don't know why. I
really don't. I don't know why we're acting like a

(01:10:05):
high pitch count is automatically awful. Okay, I get that
you want to play it safe with Paul Skeins. He
looks to be a phenom. But on the other hand,
I don't know why teams are just petrified to, like, oh,
triple digit pitches. Yikes, there are alarms, there are bells

(01:10:26):
going off. It's like, eh, eh, no, no, like you've
seen other pictures do this and they're freaking fine.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I don't know why.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
We're acting like it's automatically an awful thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
I look, I certainly don't. I think it's great when
you see a picture throw a complete game. I think
it's great when you see a picture stay in on
a no hitter? How many pitchers. It's a headline every
time it happens. But that headline has happened a lot
more recently. That a pitcher gets tugged out of a
game after seven innings throwing a no hitter. I mean

(01:10:59):
that happens multiple times a year. Now, rewind the clock
ten years ago, wouldn't happen not once. A pitcher would
rather saw off a tow than allow you to take
him off the mound while he's in the middle of
pitching a no hitter. It's something that only three hundred
and eighty plus people have ever done in the history
of a sport that's been around for almost two hundred years.

(01:11:21):
I mean, it's just it's silly what we're seeing out there,
like putting. Don't get me wrong, longevity is important, durability
is important, but the whole reason why you participate in
sports is to do great things, to strive for greatness.
And yes, team sports, team goals are important, but also

(01:11:42):
individual goals are important too. And I feel like a
lot of these teams have made up their mind that
they know better for the athlete than the athlete does,
and as a result, they have robbed a lot of
these athletes of quality, experience that they could be chasing
after an and honestly, greatness that they could be chasing

(01:12:02):
down individually. I don't know how the rest of the
season is going to go for Dylan Sees, but riding
high off the emotion of throwing a no hitter in
a season gives you a level of confidence that has
to be otherworldly, you know what I mean. Doing something
that separates you from the rest of baseball history, something
that spans the test of time, has to make you

(01:12:23):
feel pretty special. So don't tell me that trading in
you know, just it's just a couple of reps during
the preseason. What is it hurt? And also we're preventing injury.
It's like, yeah, okay, but maybe something magical happens during
a preseason game. And you may laugh at that if
you want to, but I'm telling you right now, as
young player getting my first snaps in preseason games, there

(01:12:46):
was something magical happening. I was having the pinch me
moments where it's like, oh my god, I did it.
I'm playing professional football.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
I'm out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:54):
I'm in the NFL. Like, you have to get over
that at some point and have it not be so
so you can go out there and perform the way
he did during college, the way he did during high school.
That got you that point. But there's a lot to
take in as a rookie. So give these guys an
opportunity to get that out of the way in the
preseason so they're not having a pitch be music moment
when Micah Parsons is screaming off the edge and hacking

(01:13:17):
at their right shoulder as they're trying to deliver a football.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
Come a long way from the last football building right right, oh,
playing in the NFL. That's a little state college university
park inside joke there, All right, let's get to Skeens.
So the Skeens thing I A grew through bright I
think a hundred pitches. It should not be this like
magical number that that thou shall not pass. In the
Skien scenario, in that no hitter, it was actually Skeens

(01:13:44):
that took himself out. He said I'm out of gas,
and and and he and in that scenario, if the
pitcher is going up to the guy to the coaches
and it's like, hey, I'm out of gas, yes, take
them out. I mean, that's that's like no brainer to me.
But in general, one hundred pitches should not be this
like magical line like. It should be how stressful those
pitches are, and how the pitcher's feeling. Like if the

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picture says he's got more gas in the tank, let
him go out and start and pitch another inning. The
problem is these pitchers are now kind of trained mentally,
it's like a mental thing. And I can relate to
this now because I started a running routine and it's
all mental with me. If I know before I start
my run, I'm gonna go this far and I get
to that point, that's it, my body stops because it's

(01:14:27):
like I reached it and I'm done. And these pictures,
I think, are kind of trained now to go one
hundred pitches and that's it. Their bodies just kind of
shut down because that's what the training has implemented. Here
are the numbers though, when the complete games, because you
guys were curious about it. So this year there have
been twenty two complete games, which is not a lot.
Last year there were thirty four, also not a lot.

(01:14:48):
For perspective, Bob Gibson in nineteen sixty eight through twenty
eight complete games in thirty five stole. So just for perspective,
we have had less complete games this year than Bob
Gibson through the entire season in nineteen sixty eight. That's wow. Yeah,
I know, I know times have changed.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:06):
Some of it does make sense, but I think when
you take it to the extreme right, like it's load
management in the NBA, I get that a little dabble
here and there. When you take it to the extreme,
it's like, okay, now now we're getting a little crazy
with this. So yeah, I don't know, man, I think
that the pitch count thing it can be. I just
don't like it when people are like, this is gonna

(01:15:28):
be Strasbourg all over again. It's gonna be de Gram
if we get to triple digits. That to me, the
panic alarms are a little bit too loud at that point.
But we've got Rich Orenberger, Penn State All American, Jared
Smith FSR betting analyst, I'm Brian No coming up next,
we get to mail bonding time over here. Okay, the
prop bet market. We'll get to beef number three. Yeah,

(01:15:50):
next beef, you know, and then there's gonna be on
board with the final beef. I'm not sure to and oh,
so far it's a good start. We'll see if we
can go undefeated in prop bets this week. That's the
real test that is on the way. It's Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. It is Fox Sports Saturday,
right here on Fox Sports Radio. Oh, we got some

(01:16:13):
prop bets to make. Let's dive into this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:17):
Prop it up player plays.

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
All right, Jared, we start with you. What do you
like today? Well, I'm gonna take a page out of
your book here being no Cardinals action. Kyle Gibson on
the mound today for Saint Louis. Big game against the Cubs.
Cardinal's kind of given a couple back in the standings lately.
Tough game yesterday. I think Kyle Gibson goes deep into
this game today. I'm going over sixteen and a half outs.
He's actually been better on the road this year. He's

(01:16:42):
gone over this in seven out of ten away games
this year, including his one road start at Wrigley back
in June three. One era on the road, and the
Cardinals bullpen again yesterday didn't get really a deep start.
I think the bullpen is a little bit weary after
this little stretch that we've seen here where they haven't
had many days off, and I think we get a
Cardinals push from Kyle Gibson today. Over sixteen and a

(01:17:06):
half outs at Wrigleyfield.

Speaker 2 (01:17:08):
Okay, Team USA facing Puerto Rico in just minutes here,
Kevin Durant fifteen and a half points. I'm taking the under.
I just don't see a lot of the key players,
especially one that sustained an injury early in the Olympics goings.
He missed all the exhibitions for Team USA, staying on

(01:17:29):
the floor very long against a team that Team USA
is favored by thirty five points US to beat. So
I got Kadi going under the fifteen and a half points.
I think he gets pulled off the court before he
gets there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Wow, Okay, all right, I'm looking at some guy named
Steph Curry. Okay, never heard of it. Yeah, who's so
he was bad? Actually, if you can believe that he
was bad last game, and I think, man was he
over over from three? So I'm looking at him to

(01:18:03):
rebound over here. Right the last game against South sud Dan,
if you look at Steph from three point range, he
was oho for six. He was one for nine from
the field with only three points. So it's crept up.
But we're gonna have to go along with the public
over here, all right, taking on Puerto Rico, Steph Curry
over two and a half three pointers. The juice were

(01:18:26):
at minus one fifty five right now at BENMGM. It
is crept up. But I think in a game like this,
the US just for context, their team total it's set
at one twelve and a half. Okay, they're gonna be
scoring some points against Puerto Rico. And for a guy
like Steph Curry, who was bad, not just for his standards,

(01:18:47):
just bad in general, oh for six from three last game,
I look for him to rebound in a big way
and his teammates know that. Right, You're gonna see his
teammates set him up and get him some open quality looks.
I look for Steph Curry to bang at least three
three pointers today, as Rich said, just in a matter
of minutes over here against Puerto Rico. Yeah, I think

(01:19:09):
I might lay it against Puerto Rico to the thirty
three and a half points. Puerto Rico has lost by
forty to Serbia, who the US handled pretty easily the
other day too, so that'll be an interesting one coming
about fifty minutes. How about Jack Flarity making his Dodgers
debut tonight, Guys, any vibes on Flarity. I think we
go over on outs. I think we go over on strikeouts.
I don't think this A's team is kind of I mean,

(01:19:30):
I think their offense actually has been a little bit
better lately. But they're a high strikeout team and they
don't take a ton of pitches. About middle of the
pack in all of those categories. And again we get
a guys starting with a new team. He's gonna want
to put his best foot forward. I think this Dodgers bullpen,
which we have detailed, has been an absolute disaster. They
might get a little bit better now with Kopek in

(01:19:50):
the mix, but just a really rough season for the
Dodgers bullpen. I think over seventeen and a half outs, right,
that's six innings. I think over five and a half strikeouts.
If you can find a good numb, we're there to
get the six. I think those will be the ways
I play Flarty tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
A's are a bad team. They don't have a lot
of quality hitters. Like you said, the offense has been
a little bit better, but the reality of the situation
is swing away. What do you got to lose? So
there's gonna be a lot of swing and misses out there. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Man, there are a lot of baseball trends that you
could look at in the prop bet market, you know,
like the Phillies are just ice cold right now. After
the All Star break, maybe you look to some mariners
pitching props when it comes to that. But you can
take advantage of those team trends individually. All right, coming
up next time, adjusting. Good morning, Happy Saturday to you.

(01:20:42):
I'll tell you what. The only bad thing about Team
USA about to take the court and Olympic hoops right
now is that I got to switch it off a
gold zone. My gold zone is amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
Well, there's the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
USA Japan women's soccer match, really good too, right now?
Neil nil extra time. I'm all about the box of
gold zone and they got a hit over there. I
don't know how you guys feel about red zone. I
hate it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I'm like maybe the only person ever saying this where
I need to be my own red zone. Okay, I
need all the games in front of me, and I'll
choose what I what I would have watched, right, I'll
watch this driving. Yes, I need to be my own
red zone. But gold zone for the Olympics and we've
got It's crazy. I took a screenshot of this. I

(01:21:29):
couldn't believe what was going on just a few minutes ago.
You have at the same time, and they show it
in one screen. Judo road, cycling, gymnastics, badminton, water polo, boxing, tennis, soccer. Boom,
there you go, eight at once. So yeah, I got
to hone in on one. I'm all about Team USA basketball,

(01:21:50):
you know me. Oops is my second favorite sport. I'm
all over it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I look at the space that we're in right now,
and I can't tell you how much I'm clamoring for
football that matter. I know. I like the taste we got.
I mean it was like a morsel. It was a
bread crumb that rolled off the table and it rolled
close enough to the little mousehole cut out of the

(01:22:18):
base board and I was able just to reach my
arm out far enough not to get noticed by the
house cat who was sleeping in the corner. I grabbed
it and I was like, no numb.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
And then the game, Oh no, I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
There was a weather delay, severe weather in the area,
see cover.

Speaker 1 (01:22:33):
That's what they said in Canton.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
And I'm telling you right now, when that happened, I
legitimately sat there and I went, well, I'm sad now
because it was just a taste. It wasn't enough, but
it was. I'm telling you, we are. We are on
the doorstep of inarguably one of the most interesting college
football seasons we will ever participate in. This is going

(01:22:57):
to be bonkers. I mean, think about the ramifications of
some of the offseason movement in college football and then
just try to digest what we're about to embark on.
It's mind bending. UCLA and USC are in the Big ten.
Let's just start there, and then the list goes on.
It's mind bending. And then you talk about the NFL.

(01:23:20):
So many young quarterbacks who are having early success. There's
already storylines about injuries everywhere you look. There's things. There's
six draft picks at the quarterback position taken in the
top twelve. There's coaches who are coaching for their lives.
There are quarterbacks who are playing for their careers. Kirk Cousins,
for example, coming off in Achilles, has a lot to

(01:23:41):
prove this year in Atlanta because there's a top ten
pick waiting in the wings to take his job, Aaron Rodgers.
He wants to win two Super Bowls with the New
York Jets and he hasn't even played a snap yet. Basically,
I mean, it is bananas. I can't wait, so sorry,
I haven't really checked in on Goal.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
TV yet, Oh you're missing out. You're missing out. I
don't have a lot of time for it, but when
I do have time, it's been entertaining and I'm with
I'm with Rich. I'm let's can we start football season?
Like now, let's go okay, So you know, I'm gonna
give Rich some cat nep over here based on that
last week.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
Sorry, you know, sorry, alright, So.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
It's okay, it's all right. You know you want ball,
give you ball here. So I saw this updated commercial,
you know, the Big ten maps commercial. Yeah, this might
refresh your memory if you're like, what is that?

Speaker 3 (01:24:42):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
And they just show the map of where all these
Big ten schools are located, and it's you know, it's
got a graphic going on there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Movie. I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
It's a good one. So that by the way, it's
a song called silver Lining by Guards if you're interested
in that sort of thing. But that's the song that
they've used for a while on that maps ad. And
they added, like Rich said, the four schools, right, we
got Oregon, Washington, USC, UCLA officially in the Big ten.

(01:25:14):
Now there are eighteen teams, eighteen schools in the Big ten.
Whatever that's college football defined right now, none of it
makes any sense whatsoever. But the question after seeing that
maps commercial updated and where they show like all these
teams on the West coast and then they make their
way back to the Midwest and the East coast, the

(01:25:36):
question that popped into my head was is it going
to be a tougher transition for the four new schools
in the Big Ten or the twelve existing schools in
the Big Ten having to go out west and play
these teams. You could look at it thirty seven different ways,
but I think when you look at the Big Boys,

(01:25:58):
that's what I hone in on the most. I think
it's gonna be a tougher adjustment for the top teams
of the existing twelve where Ohio State they gotta go
to Oregon, and there are some games like that where
you're looking at Michigan and it's like, oh wow, you
gotta play a tough a couple of these tough games
where Michigan they host USC, they host Oregon, Like those

(01:26:23):
are the new schools they're at Washington, so they get
three of these new schools in the Big Ten. I
actually think it's gonna be a tougher test for the
existing twelve adapting to the new four than the other
way around.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
That's interesting, that's an interesting take. I really haven't flipped
it around yet. It really is, you know what, And
an argument could be made for either. I mean, logistically,
it's just as much strain on any of the existing
twelve than it would be for the incoming four. You know,
you think about the volatility of playing against teams that

(01:26:59):
you don't know. Yeah, there's a lot to be said
about that now, I mean against conference opponents. After years
of playing against similar faces, your your players get a
better feel for the scouting report. So that's the edge
that you know, current teams will have as opposed to
incoming teams coming to a conference. But but and and

(01:27:23):
coaching too. I mean obviously coaches, you know, value a
scouting report and in person from the sideline review of
what happens during those games. But but yeah, yeah, that's
that's that's a pretty good way to do this. Flip
it on its head and see see, you know, wear
the shoes on the other feet and say, yeah, yeah,
how comfortable is it going to be? For for example,

(01:27:44):
you know one of these Northeast teams or you know,
a team out of Ohio, or Michigan to travel all
the way to southern California. It's going to be an adjustment.

Speaker 1 (01:27:54):
It is going to be an adjustment. And I'll say
what else is a big adjustment is the travel. Yeah,
And it's one thing for football to go through the travel,
which is intense, really intense and rich.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
You know this. I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
I worked in division on football programs behind the scenes.
You have to basically ship an entire equipment room across
the country and most of the time you're driving it.
Unless you're playing Hawaii, then obviously you can't drive. And
I remember when I worked at FAU, the equipment truck
would leave like three days before the game. And that

(01:28:29):
was when they were playing teams that were in the
relative region that they were in. This was when I
worked at FAU, when they were in the Sun Belt Conference,
so we played like Westerntonucky and Middle Tennessee and like
those types of teams. So they have to drive all
the way up to Tennessee from Boca Rato. It's a
long drive. Now you're going from Washington to Rutgers and
I don't know if they play at Rutgers this year,

(01:28:50):
but you get the point, Like that's like the biggest
gap between geographic locations in the Big Ten. Same thing
with the SEC, right going from Texas down Alabama, that's
a far drive. I think in general, those types of
entities will be impacted more. And yes, that is a
two way street. As much as Texas has to get

(01:29:12):
used to playing in the SEC against Alabama and Mississippi
State and all those teams, those coaches also have to
adjust to playing Texas, and those sports information departments and
those equipment departments have to adjust to the new routines
and the new travel schedule. Like these these coaches, especially
the coaches that have been in these conferences, in these
leagues and these teams for a long time, they are

(01:29:33):
creatures of habit. When they go to this city, they
stay in the same hotel, they eat it the same
pregame meal, like, they do the same exact thing, and
all of that now is being you know, change and switch,
and I do think there will be slightly more of
an adjustment for the new teams, but there will also
be an adjustment for the existing teams as well. So yeah, Brian,

(01:29:55):
I can't really push back too hard on that. I
think more adjustment for the new teams. But that's not
to say that it's nil on the other side of
the equation. Yeah, that's the part where whether you break
the tie with the four newbies or the twelve existing,
who's got to adjust more. I think there's a tendency

(01:30:15):
to think, well, I mean, these four new teams really
have to adjust to a different conference in different travel
and that's true. But the twelve existing Big Ten teams,
that's a lot of adjusting as well. You got to
go all the way out to the West coast, maybe
a couple of times, depending on your schedule. That's a

(01:30:35):
big adjustment. So adjusting works both ways. And I think
there's a tendency where I don't know, maybe it's like
a trade in basketball, where it's, oh man, this guy's
got to get adjusted to his new team, And I
don't know. I think we look at realignment in the
same way when it's completely different. If it's Rutgers or

(01:30:57):
that's probably a bad example, let's use it it's Penn State.
Penn State's gotta go all the way out to the
West coast. That's a big adjustment, you know. So it's
not just the four new schools adjusting, it's the twelve
existing schools in the Big Ten. Now I'm focusing on
them because of the maps commercial update, but you're right
if you extend that to the SEC or there's been

(01:31:17):
a lot of realignment adjusting works both ways, not just
for the new schools but the existing ones.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
I think I think it's a fantastic point. I think
it's probably a point that has been under discussed, you know,
because you assume these teams joining this powerful conference like
the few against the many. Well, I don't know if
anybody was paying attention to college football this past year
the Pac twelve before completely disintegrated, pretty good conference.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
Yeah, a lot of good teams in that conference.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
And in fact, if you stacked up team for team
the Pac twelve against Big Ten last year, boy, I'll
tell you what, it's at very least, even if not
West Coast.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
So it's it's it's going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
A tricky circumstance for Big Ten teams to navigate against
the new blood. And also, dare I say the Big
Ten for a long time was like the last holdout
to change over to the spread offense. You know, take
every quarterback snap from the gun like a lot of

(01:32:25):
these teams do. Now they were. There were a lot
of teams holding on to the old pro style way
of play, and it was you know, hard nose, three
yards and a cloud of dust style football with heavy
defense and good linebacker playing. And it's it's made the
transition this decade, but it was far behind a lot
of the teams in the Pac twelve who have been

(01:32:47):
you know, instit who have instituted this style of play
and have recruited for this style of play for many
many years now. Now, I do think the Big Ten
caught up. Obviously, you look at schools like Michigan and
Ohio State and Penn State. I don't think they've been
left in the dust, certainly not. But the reality is

(01:33:09):
that this has never been a more even fight across
the United States in terms of you know, whatever your
whoever you are, whatever your university says on the front
of the jersey, it doesn't really matter. What matters is
how deep your nil pockets are. That's what a lot
of these athletes are looking for. It doesn't really matter

(01:33:31):
whatever it says on the front of your jersey as
long as you have playoff prospects. A lot of these
recruits are looking for that. So it's a different time
in college football, and so I think there's a lot
more disparity in terms of some of the things they
just pointed out, or the disparity nil and you know,
the college Football Playoff as it currently exists creates. But

(01:33:54):
also there's a lot of equality, and it's going to
make it so a lot more of these teams are
very even. And so I agree with you. I think
this is going to be a tough road to hoe
for either side of this coin, whether it's the time
the teams who are joining conferences or the teams who
have to prepare to play against the new teams in
these conferences.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Let's take it a step further. You know what conference
I think is going through the most upheaval, The Big Twelve?
Can you name? I will give one hundred dollars. Actually no,
because you guys are gonna look this up, or the viewers.
I'll give someone one hundred dollars if they can legitimately
name the sixteen teams in the Big Twelve this year.
Good luck. It's a hodgepodge from all over the country. Here.

(01:34:37):
I'll just give you the teams because you're not gonna
get them. Utah UCF Arizona. Then you get the traditionals
Oklahoma State, Kansas Gate, Iowa State, TCU, Kansas, West Virginia,
Texas Tech, Colorado back in the Big Twelve, Baylor, Cincinnati,
Arizona State in the Big twelve, what YU and Houston.

(01:35:00):
I got a sixteen team hodge Podge conference. That one
of those teams is gonna be in the playoff probably
you taught, but who knows, could be someone else, But
one of those teams I just mentioned will be in
the College of Ball Playoff. And let's go through the list.
TCU made it right and they had their crazy run.
No one else on the list besides TCU with that
crazy run, I believe made the College Wall Playoffs. So

(01:35:22):
odds are unless TCU makes it again, we will have
a new team in the Culturawall Playoff representing the Big Twelve. Yeah, crazy,
it is. It is wild, and it's not just within
the conference, it's the overall landscape of adjusting. I mean
really from a betting perspective, from a fan perspective, I

(01:35:43):
guarantee they're gonna be a lot of diehard college football
fans where they pop on the TV early in the
season and they're like, wait a minute, Arizona against TCU
is a constance game, Like, really, Cincinnati against BYU conference game, Yeah,
it is. It's gonna be wild. Yeah, it is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:05):
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you know, I've got a minor beef let to still
set to go here, I've got a major beef right now?

(01:37:36):
What are we doing? P Crock That's what I call it.
Right when you have to go to Pakrock for the
NFL playoff game, you gotta do it for the Brazil
game right first Friday, Peakrock, get on it. If I
go straight from the Gold Zone to Team USA basketball,
I don't want to miss the first five minutes of
the game. What are you doing? It's like, hey, enjoy

(01:37:58):
a shot of the Eiffel Tower before the game starts.
I'm watching it on the sports books. They're always updating
the scores right and bet MGM. I'm like Okay, the
game's going on. Why is it not televised? They're like, oh,
our bad story. You ever go to a sports bar
and they're late getting the afternoon NFL games on?

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:38:17):
It's like five pm Eastern time. They're like, oh, shoot,
the Cowboys are on. It's like, I'm not coming here again,
you guyet that's not a real sport bar. Yeah, sports
bar drives me crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
It's very funny how our habits have changed now, where
Like I don't get me wrong, I I definitely remember
wistfully like the days where you could just turn on
the television and click over to the channel that you
wanted to watch for whatever it was, whether a sports
or otherwise, and then you had the channel recall button

(01:38:50):
flip between two channels.

Speaker 1 (01:38:51):
Those are now.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
I it's just amazing. I come home and I think
what app to I need to turn on? Yes? Yes,
Like that's the challenges remembering what even app I need
to turn on? Is my YouTube TV? Now it's on
a special what is it? Peacock? I don't know? Is
it Hulu? Which one do I gotta turn on too?

(01:39:13):
But it's the world we live in now, it's all
changed very quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
It's gotten to the point where I need a warm
up period just to get my television set. For example,
great example is this show We go off the air
on a regular college football Saturday. We're off the air
at fifty four, and the games start at top of
the hour. In that six minute stretch between when our

(01:39:39):
show goes off the air and the games kickoff, I
am scrambling most days to program all. I have three
televisions in my command center here to get them all
on the right game in the right spot, and sometimes
I misskickoff. It takes that long to turn it on,
get to the app, know what game you want, set
up the screen, Which games do you want on which screen?

(01:40:02):
It's almost like a like a warm up, like before
I go for a run. I have to stretch like
I can't just turn on the TV anymore and flip like.
It is a process to get the games out. Not
that I'm complaining, but it is a process. Okay, So
I wanted to throw this story at you. It's not
gonna have major legs just because the team isn't sexy

(01:40:22):
right now. It's about the Chicago Bulls, and listen, you
might not have you might not know anything about the Bulls,
you might not care about Zach Levine. All of that's fine.
It's really what an organization is doing that to me
is very interesting. So they're trying to trade Zach Levine
and Zach Levine he's gotten a lot of blame for

(01:40:43):
the Bulls woes as of late, and so this week
he came out and he was like, I think I'm
blamed a little bit too much for the Bulls struggles.
I only played twenty five games last season. And so
there was an anonymous team source that said the following
about Zach l again like a Bulls team source talking

(01:41:03):
about Bulls player Zach Levine saying he's never won. He's
done it his way, the whole way, and never one.
If he's interested in winning, he'll do what's asked of him.
And if he's motivated to not be here, one way
is to come, be compliant and be who he is
end quote. And I saw that, I'm like, what are

(01:41:27):
they doing here? Put it this way, would it make
any sense for a used car salesman to say, listen,
this car sucks, it gets horrible gas mileage, the muffler's broken,
and then turn around and try to sell that same car.
That would make no sense whatsoever. Why would the Bulls?

(01:41:47):
Why would any team source crush Zach Levine this way
while the organization is trying to move him. This is
one of the dumbest things I've ever heard, and it
shows why the Bulls have been a c for way
too long.

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Now. Well, yeah, sometimes you ask why, and the answer is,
you know, simpler than you think. There's you know, there's
a lot of times something is sourced and you say, hey,
why was this message given to the general public, Like
who wanted this album?

Speaker 3 (01:42:15):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
This favors the player because the player is searching for
a trade. Oh, this favor is the team because the
team is trying to make the player the villains, as
the player is holding out for more money and they
want to change the topic DuJour more toward how greedy
the player is, as opposed to you know, how stingy

(01:42:36):
the team is. You know, it's there's a lot of
reasons why things get message to the public. But sometimes
the why, or I should say, the answer to the
why is because somebody made a horrible mistake. Somebody spoke
to somebody on the record when they thought they were
off the record, and so even though no names were named,

(01:42:56):
this could have just been as simple as I had
a whoopsie. I worked for the Bulls and I was
talking to somebody who I thought I was speaking to
in confidence, and I gave him a juicy little morsel
he or she could not refuse to take to the
press and to publish and to write about and to

(01:43:17):
include that. It was a team source that said it. Now,
can this burn bridges for a reporter? It absolutely can.
Can this make a huge mess for a team and
an organization trying to now sniff out the rat and
get rid of them? It absolutely could. But sometimes the
answer to the why is whoops? And this is what

(01:43:37):
this feels like, because you're absolutely right, Brian, this makes
I mean zero sense for this to come out right now. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:44):
I again, I haven't been paying too much attention to
the NBA. I didn't even know about this story until
Brian popped it in the Rundown last night, and I
was like, wait a minute, late, what that's me getting
the big stories on the rundown? No, No, but this
is one of those where I'm glad that I did
see it because it does change your perception on the

(01:44:05):
Bulls this year. Now again, we have plenty of time
to you know, reevaluate those opinions before the NBA season starts,
and you know, throughout the course of the season we
will constantly reevaluate. But I'll tell you what, I'm not
bullish on the Bulls heading into the season. That's for sure.
I'll be here all week.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Don't forget that, your waitresses.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Actually, I'll be here for another thirty minutes and that's it,
and then he's out of here. I'll tell you who's
here for another roughly thirty minutes or so. The fantastic,
the hard working, the gregarious Isaac Lowen product last this morning.

Speaker 5 (01:44:40):
Do what he does pretty much covers it. Actually, now
that I think of it, it just scratches the surface.
It only scratches the surface. With Simone Biles because fellas
at the Olympics. Simone Biles has just won another gold medal.
She just won the women's vault competition for the seventh
gold me of her career. Meanwhile, in the women's soccer

(01:45:03):
quarterfinals moments ago, the United States and Japan were scoreless
in extra time.

Speaker 1 (01:45:10):
Done looking for Roblan again, Rodlan and Trinity Rodlan.

Speaker 2 (01:45:22):
Twenty two year old Trinity Rockland take a bow.

Speaker 5 (01:45:27):
The call in USA. So the United States up won
nothing on Japan. They have about a minute left in
extra time, but there's going to be stoppage time added
on to that. So Team USA still needing to hold on.
Right now, the US men's basketball team trailing Puerto Rico
twenty seven to twenty three, forty five seconds left to play.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
In the first quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
The Americans have already clinched a spot in the quarterfinals.
They are two and oh. This is their final game
of group play and finally, American Vincent Hancock has just
won the gold medal in men's skeet shooting. I don't
know anything about skeet shooting, but.

Speaker 1 (01:46:07):
I do know we won. So there you go back
to you guys. Man, I wish I had money on
that guy. You know, how about that British announcer with
the US goal, Like, did he have money on Team Japan?
He did not seem very excited.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
About You noticed that too?

Speaker 1 (01:46:21):
Uh yeah, okay, not just me and her little American
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(01:46:41):
show posted right after we get off the year. Okay,
so I'm too and oh with both of you guys
in my three beefs today, right, I'm trying to go
perfect and I need you to be completely honest what
you always are. This is a minor beef. This is
not like the heavens are falling, major deal, nothing like that. Now,

(01:47:03):
just based on me being me, when I start discussing this,
it might sound like it's earth shattering just because of
the way I am. I don't know, but let me
just say this is a minor, minor beef. I just
saw the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies there today. I
knew that, but I didn't hear about the order of

(01:47:24):
who's speaking when. Okay, so closing the ceremonies is basically
lunch payal guy Andre Johnson. He was an amazing player.
We all know this with the Houston Texans, mainly awesome
wide receiver. He's gonna be the last player to speak,

(01:47:45):
and I just like to raise my hand and say why.
Like Andre Johnson is known for being a lunch payal guy,
doesn't say a whole lot, just does his job, not
a diva receiver. You know, head down, don't draw attention
to yourself. That's great.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
I loved his approach as a professional athlete in the NFL.
I don't love that to close the induction ceremonies for
Hall of Fame weekend, you know what I mean? Like,
if anything, end this with Dwight Freeny. Dwight Freeney was
an amazing player. He's got the stats, he's got the cachet,
and he's got way more personality. Like this is the thing,

(01:48:23):
Like end with some bizazz and with some personality instead
of you know, I'd like to go. I don't even
know what Andre's speech is gonna sound like, you know,
and it's gonna sound like a major thing. But he's
more of the opening act than the headlining band.

Speaker 2 (01:48:39):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:48:40):
I don't know why you would close the show that
way at all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:43):
I'm curious if the committee, the executive committee for the
Pro Football Hall of fame gets to read their scripts
because I assume everybody goes with a written script, right
and maybe they have to send it to somebody to
how reviewed. And so maybe maybe they felt compelled to

(01:49:04):
have Andre go last because they went, oh, you know what,
there's a lot to this, because if you think about
the story of his career, it is a career of
an overachiever with an underachieving franchise and the sort of
sticktuitiveness and the you know, the I don't know, the
guts it takes in some In some ways, there's probably

(01:49:27):
a better word for it to grind out in the darkness,
while you're looking till you're left and your right, and
you're seeing your peers and your contemporaries sailing beyond. You
know where you are from a team wide success standpoint.
You know, that's got to be a frustration that you
have to sort of grin and bear through because your

(01:49:49):
privileged to play such a great game. But at the
same token, you're probably feeling like you're being left behind
in many ways. I'm very curious if that's the criteria,
If they get to look at the scripts and decide
who they think is going to deliver the most impassioned
powerful speech that represents the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
Bast Yeah, that's an and Brian, I'm not as familiar
with the Hall of Fame cadence. Is it normally the
most popular exciting player goes last? Is that how it
traditionally is it's kind of a blend. A lot of
times it's the biggest name, or it might be a
blend of biggest name or a this guy's just got

(01:50:27):
he's oozing with personality. Let's close it out with a bang,
you know, the best of both worlds, Like if Brent
Farv goes into the Hall of Fame and yeah, so
of the list this year, Freeeny Haster, Andre Johnson, Julius
Pepper's Patrick Willis. Actually Patrick Willis's story is really intriguing.
Randy Gratish Art ste MacMichael, who I believe is deceased

(01:50:49):
right as being inducted, he's he's still here. He just
has a LS Yeah, okay, okay, because I saw the
Hall of Fame game, it was his wife that came
out and accepted the the gratitude when they were announcing
the Hall of Fame's pregame.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
There.

Speaker 1 (01:51:03):
I think that list, like, let's use the top five, right, Freenie, Hester, Johnson,
Peppers willis the one speaking. I mean, can you pick
a number one? Clear cut? Like, yep, this guy needs
to go last. Like I think it's it's kind of
up for debate, right, gimme freenye, give me Dwight freenyek.
He's got the personality. I think Hester's got the personality too,
based off of what I've seen from interviews, and obviously

(01:51:24):
he's got the blockbuster highlight rail to go with it,
but I don't think that's as impactful. Yeah, I agree,
Andre Johnson going last doesn't move the needle for me. Yeah,
I just don't know enough about the process to make
a really informed opinion about it. No, that's fine. I'll
take a slight agreement on that, you know, half agreement half.

Speaker 2 (01:51:48):
I will say this, playing with Dwight toward the end
of his career and getting to know him a little bit,
he was one of the most interesting people I've met. Yeah.
He was an open buck, and I mean an open book.
It didn't matter what you were talking to him about.
If you are talking about challenges he's faced in the past,

(01:52:09):
or you know, tips on how to you know, play longevity.
I mean, he played forever, you know, the times when
he was with the Colts and the things they were doing. Defensively,
he was a great talker. He loved to talk, and
so there were times where you'd sit down at the
lunch table and you'd lose track of time and you know,
almost you know, be late for a meeting because man,

(01:52:31):
he just had a lot to say and he was
an interesting dude.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
And so that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I I yeah, I'm very curious because you know, that
speech could go in a lot of different directions, and
I hope, I hope he really concentrates and focuses on
all the positives of his career because there were so many,
even though there were some negative times. You know, he
was one of those guys who kind of got the
whoolpoll over his eyes by a bad financial advisor. Yeah,

(01:52:58):
and it was a big, big piece of the story.
But where where he's gotten to since then and what
he was able to accomplish during all that is nothing
less than amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:53:08):
I think it's interesting your theory of maybe the committee
see some of the speeches and they're like, oh man,
this would be a good speech to end it with.
I like the opposite. I like the opposite of their like, man,
this speech sucks. Let's put them, Let's put him like third.
When the intermission happened, he break speech.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Yeah, yeah, people are gonna be reapplying their suntan lotion.

Speaker 1 (01:53:32):
Yeah, it's gonna be hot out there in Canton. I'm sure, right,
humidity is it an outdoor? It's an outdoor, fair right?
They were those heavy gold jackets. Man, I remember one
guy I remember one year was like sweating through it.
That's why I think of the movie Anchorman, you know,
with what Rich was talking about, where you know Dwight
Freenie's got this personality and he's not the last speech
and what you said, Jared, with the heat out there

(01:53:55):
and how hot it is. Remember an Anchorman where Will
Ferrell's like milk was a bad joy. That's how I
feel about Andre Johnson. Andre Johnson was a bad choice
to finish this thing. Last thing I'll say, I love
who presents each of the Hall of Famers. They choose
someone to present them for the Hall of Fame. Rich,
you mentioned Freeny's agent and all that. Julius Pepper's agent

(01:54:19):
will be presenting interesting, right, Andre Johnson chose former Texans
head coach Gary Kubiak, Patrick Willis chose his sister, Devin
Hester chose his mom. Randy Gratischer is going to be
presented by Tom Jackson, right, Steve McMichael, I love this one.
Gonna be presented by JAREDT. Peyton, Walter Payton's son. That's

(01:54:42):
really cool. And Dwight Freeneye. He chose Colts team owner
Jim Ersy, So that'll be a fun speech. He's always entertaining. Yeah,
how don't we put last?

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:54:51):
Right, the team of Dwight and Jim not last couple,
right there, no doubt about it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
We've got Rich Hornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR,
betting analyst. I'm Brian now coming up next the moment
of truth. Time for some picks, with a little story
on my end as to the roller coaster nature of
this non football season, you know, rapid fire selections. Here,
we'll get to that. Right around the corner. We've got

(01:55:23):
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(01:55:46):
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got some picks to make.

Speaker 2 (01:55:55):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Rapid fire. Okay, Jared, we start with you. What are
you thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Yeah, we'll go.

Speaker 1 (01:56:04):
Back to baseball, I mean with slim pickens obviously for
the next week or so, and then we'll get back
into the football grind very soon. Don't worry. But it's
a nerfy day. Hey, it's Saturday. We'll go Giants, Reds
Hunter Greens on the mound today. And I'll be honest,
if he pitched for any other team, we'd be talking
about this guy for a signing. He's having an unbelievable
year eighteen and three to the Nurfy fifty seven and

(01:56:24):
ten of the Nurfy since twenty nineteen. Crazy Nurfey numbers
for Hunter Green gets Kyle Harrison on the other side
for the Giants, and he hasn't had a great year,
kind of up and down. But the Reds have really
struggled against lefties this year, so we'll go nurfhy in Cincinnati.
We'll go nurfy in Minnesota too. Bailey over has been
up and down, but his stuff lately has been good.
And on the other side for the White Sox, we

(01:56:45):
get Garrett Crochet, who's actually been roughed up a little
bit his two starts before the trade deadline. He's staying
in Chicago. I think he comes out. We'll a little
smoke today, probably a little upset he didn't get traded
at the deadline. So I think Crochet has a good
start today, and I think he gets through the first
inning on and then we'll go your feet. How about
an early year feet. This game starts in about an
hour in the Bronx, Jose Burrios, who's been terrible on

(01:57:07):
the road for the Blue Jays this year, Carlos Dan
who has not been good for the Yankees either, and
we get those great first inning lineups, especially in the
Bronx for the Yankees with Sodo and Judge. So I'll
go your feet Toronto, New York Nerfy White Sox wins
Nerfy Giants threats.

Speaker 2 (01:57:23):
I've been hammering Padres over the past couple of weeks
and having some success, so I'm gonna continue on that path.
So San Diego is hosting the Colorado Rockies. You may
think to yourself, well, san Diego's on a heater, Colorado's
no good this season. Not so fast, my friend. The
San Diego Padres have had trouble against the Rockies on

(01:57:43):
the road and at home. This is one of the
few teams that have swept them this season. So I
got the Rockies plus one and a half on the
run line. I also think that the game's gonna go
over eight and a half total runs. So that's my
first two. Then Martin Perez over four and a half.
Strikeouts can go hot, the bats can go cold for
the Pods, I'm gonna take the four and a half

(01:58:06):
the over on strikeouts from Martin Press.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
Okay, so the backstory here. I thought I was like
the Edmonton Oilers. Okay, remember how Edmonton in the NHL.
They got off to a just a dreadful start, and
then they righted the ship and the next thing you know,
they're in the Stanley Cup Final. I thought I was
on my way. I don't know what my record was
at its worst, you know, I started off five and

(01:58:30):
ten in the non football season picks. I was seven
games under five hundred. I don't know where I was
at the worst, but I righted the ship, baby, and
I got back to five hundred. Like al Puccino in
any given Sunday, I scratched and I clawed with my
finger nails to get to get to thirty and thirty.
And then what's happened in the last three weeks one

(01:58:50):
and eight? Oh my, I'm right back in the cellar again.
Just terrible. So I'm gonna try to try to get
back on track. Over you got first thing. First thing here,
if you're watching Team USA and Puerto Rico, this is
not lockdown defense. We're talking about here in game over
one ninety nine and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Love it.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
I say they get to combine two hundred points in
this game. Okay, let's start with that. Then we're we're
stuck with baseball over here. We're almost there, guys, We're
almost there, almost there. You know what I'm gonna do.
I'm going to ride the hot team. The Arizona Diamondbacks
have been fantastic year. Last couple of weeks. I'll take

(01:59:32):
a minus one to ozh five on the road against Pittsburgh. Okay,
they're just that hot, and I'm gonna fade the cold team.
The Phillies have been ice freaking cold since the All
Star Break. I'll go with the Mariners minus one twenty
at home. You know, I thought about going with the
Twins over four and a half runs their team total,

(01:59:53):
but you mentioned Garrett Crochet. He's pitching today. The Twins
have just been freaking hammering. Yeah, the White Socks. They're
crushing left these two. Yeah, but I'll leave that off
and I'll opt for a little in game team USA
Puerto Rico over right?

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Now?

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
What do I like it?

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (02:00:10):
At least a winning record? Huh? Can we can we
get to two and one?

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
At least?

Speaker 1 (02:00:14):
I feeling good? We gotta do uh, we gotta do
like a re like a Kumbaya and get ready for
a football season, because I feel like, uh, this is
like a totally different vibe, like the baseball picks. I
love baseball, but it's it's like the amuse boush to
what the main course is?

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
I know it? Right?

Speaker 1 (02:00:29):
Yeah? We were inch and closer, closer and close. Maybe
a little preseason football action next week. We'll see with
the picks. Everybody, have a good day. We'll catch it soon.

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