Chris Plank and Arnie Spanier talk Chiefs and saved seasons!

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should be, Arnie. Today, you kind of look at us
as the launch of the week, right, isn't that how
we've started to position. This is the first time I've
heard you happy and like over six months. Man, listen
to you join in your voice. Your team's won. Oh
my goodness, this is the happy Chris Pike. I can't

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believe it. Let me see here, hold on me, let
me see when it was the last time I was
this happy. I don't know the last week Oklahoma and
Vegas one on the same week. And you know what,
In fact, I hadn't even thought about that until you
just mentioned it. Maybe last year the Raiders. The Raiders
last one on October twenty three, And I'm pretty sure

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the Sooners didn't win on October twenty second. Either that
or they were on a by knowing my luck. So yeah,
it's been a minute. It's been a minute since I've
been that happy. I'm looking right now. Just a double
check so I don't sit here and lose my mind. No,
here we go, Here we go. The Sooners were on
the bye on October twenty two, so then I wouldn't

(01:26):
have been able to celebrate the win on the twenty
three for the Raiders. And then the Raiders win before
that was well, I guess the only team they can
beat this year the Denver Broncos. Gosh, that win came
on October second, and that was the same weekend that
oh you got beat by TCU, So I don't even

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know the last week and both get our crack research
crew that's in the middle of putting together all these
highlights and look at last year to find out when
the last time Oklahoma and the Raiders one on the
same week, And dude, it was a great weekend for me. Um,
you know, do you see what I got to do
on Friday night? I got I introduced a concert. I
was the y ramost knows. This is being an old

(02:10):
FM guy, you know, that's right. I'm gonna sorry talking
like this every now and then. So just be careful.
That's right. I might whenever we go to break, I
might lead right up to the part in the music
where the band starts singing or something. That's right, baby,
I'm gonna is it writing the post or hitting the
post robost? It's in the post, that's right. So I

(02:30):
just want to warn you. I'm like a big time
FM guy now Arnie, so watch out, I mean Oldie's
one oh one whatever, I'm here. I'm ready for you.
Since you brought it up, I just want to say,
all those all those FM jocks out there, you're stealing money.
I want you to know that what are you doing
right now? Three minutes a day at an hour and
you introduced a couple of and you do the weather?

(02:52):
Come on, come on, come on now, way they take
take a phone call from a very excited salesperson who's
calling from the next room. Leave them alone. Um, but no, no,
I bring up my great weekend to say, and I
appreciate you noticing that has been probably over a years
since the Raiders and Sooners one on the same weekend.
But this starts my favorite least favorite week of the year.

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I love this week not just because I'm a fat kid,
and I love Thanksgiving, the family, both family. I love Thanksgiving.
It's we get to do a lot of shows. You
and I get to work together, uh on Jason Smith's
show What Wednesday and Friday Night. Thursday. Also, my my
wife's driving out of town. So I just told, yeah,
don't don't even bother with the turkey. Just make me

(03:37):
a boatload of stuffing and then I'll be happy. That's
all I really need. I'm not that big of a
turkey guy. I I just like the stuffing, and I
am for one day a year. So I love this week.
And then you've got right Thursday football, which used to
be so unique. Now it's something everyone hates. You've got
college football games that matter on Friday. You've got Ohio State, Michigan, USC,
Notre Dame this weekend. But then, Arnie, it's also one

(03:58):
of my least favorite weeks because it's kind of like
the sign that football is coming to a close, especially
college football, right. I mean, after this weekend, it's conference
championship games Army Navy, and then we're waiting a month
for the four team playoff unless, of course, while Arizona
is not going to a bowl now, unless you're one

(04:20):
of us blessed schools that have six or more wins,
and you're going to a bowl. Not many people care
about the Birmingham Bowl, the Armed Forces Bowl. It's all
about the four team playoff and maybe one of the
New Year's Day six bowls. But it's a weird feeling,
aren't I'm watching Sunday Night Football. I'm watching the Chargers
try to drive down and take the lead. That's where
Steve de Sagarius and night he is covering that game

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in l A. But I I love Thanksgiving. I love
this week. I love everything about it. I love us
getting to do shows. I love it, love it, love it.
But then when it's over, you like college football is
over in the regular season and the NFL only has
what are we looking at like seven weeks left? It's
wild how quickly the season for Wonder if you'd be
talking about the season being over after Thanksgiving if we

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had twelve teams this year in the playoff. Don't think.
I don't think you would either. But but again, I see, Okay,
this is where I'm unique, though, and this is where
you I get lost, And I'm just being honest with you.
I feel like you know, everyone that's like, oh, a
deep values the regular season or you need to add
more hype to college football. I'm gonna I'm the more
on it's gonna be hyped for the Liberty Bowl. I'm

(05:25):
the guy that's gonna watch. And I think I'm the
only one. I love college football. It's kind of my beat.
You know, I live in a college football town, so
I usually kind of, well, you don't even like college football,
you just like Arizona. I kind of rely on you
people on Twitter to help me out because I mean,
there's some that say it takes away from the regular season.
There's some that say it will add too because more

(05:46):
games will have meaning. But I'm just I'm so excited
when we get to that point for a twelve team
playoff on especially in a year like this where I
understand Tennessee got Smoke and Hitt and Hooker is out,
but I mean, who wouldn't mind seeing Alabama potentially getting
another shot. They might be the most talented team in
college foot number I said that, I said they were
going again. I have a number seven in my top seven.

(06:06):
I want to again, so they would be there in
twelve and they might have been there in twelve the
week before. But they're not in this mix. Alabama's not
going to the playoffs this year. Clemson is gonna get
in a world before them. So um, in my mind,
I get excited about the twelve team playoff, not just
because of that aren'tie, but because of home playoff games.
So you lose me on that. And I know that's

(06:26):
not where the show is going off the top, but
it's a little bit sad, a little bit sad to
think about the end of college football coming up. Both
go ahead. I wasna saying. You know what sad is.
I was admitted forty six away from from my Miami
Dolphins being the number one seed in the a f C.
And now the charge A just scored. So I gotta
hope for Mahomes comeback right now. Why what do you
need to happen here? You want to You want the

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Chiefs to win, of course, Well I no, yeah, I
wanted the Uh. Well, if the Chargers won, Miami would
be the number one seed I believe in the a
f C. If the Kansas City one that kind of
helps Miami and drops the Chargers um away. If Miami
has to fight out for a wild card so either way,
it's a win one situation. Wait wait, wait, you're you're
worried about the Chargers in a wild card situation? Right here,

(07:12):
I thought they were going I thought they were going
to the super Bowl. What are you worried about with anything?
Right now? All I hear from you every freaking week
is how the Dolphins are going to the super Bowl,
And now all of a sudden, you're worried about the Chargers. Yes,
it's a great finish coming up in Sunday Night football
has already mentioned touchdown pass Justin Herbert went a little
over one free the Chargers lead to the Chiefs. That

(07:37):
was a ten play, sixty four yard drive five minutes.
This is a good one. This is a good one. Now,
we've had some decent Sunday Night football games a couple
weeks in a row, and the Chargers have stayed on
mahomes all night long. And this is just what Los
Angeles seems to do against the Chiefs. So any of
these two teams bring out the best in each other. No, No,
this was a good one. And of course, when when

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Kansas City have to settle for a couple of goals early,
you knew that was gonna come back and haunt them
when they should have gotten touchdowns and and and the
Charges of of course got out to the lead. Um,
I'm surprised Kansas City came back a little bit. But
I'm wondering right now. Um, you know, if you're if
I'm adopting fan, do I root for Kansas City now
or San dieg are for the charges? You gotta be confused, now, Plank. Well,

(08:20):
I mean, if you're saying you want to be the
one seed, I think you want the Chiefs to lose
as many games as you can. That is true, That
is true. I should be happy about this then, yeah, yeah,
I was wondering why you'd be mad about it. But yeah,
because if you win right now, you'd be tied for
the top spot. If the Chiefs lose tonight, um, you'd
be tied for the top spot. I don't know what
the tiebreaker looks like between you and Kansas City. I'm

(08:42):
also not looking at stupid playoffs scenarios in week eleven.
What are you doing right now? Well, you're a Raider fan.
You're not looking at any playoffs any times. Still live,
still live in that twelve? Congratulations? Yes, in my in
my world, the Vegas Raiders are only two and a
half games out of a playoff spot right now. So
look out hey, with that in mind, looking at these

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standings as we welcome you into a Sunday night, a
week eleven NFL football recap here on Fox Sports Radio
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I three. I mean, everyone's already on fire on Twitter.
You got everyone fired up for the show tonight. Arnie's
to where they want to start. But when when we
were laying out the show notes for tonight and then
you sit in your list, there was one take on

(09:24):
and I try to find one that I really disagree
with you on, because I guess that's how you make
millions in this industry. You yell and scream at each
other and tell the other person how stupid they are. Um.
But in this instance, I couldn't because I don't want
to give away our our hour three bit right after
a week eleven. I know this, we got a lot
of time to get there. But I'm starting to buy

(09:45):
into a theory that you posed on the rundown, which
is maybe maybe we uh maybe we crowned there ask
to steal a great phrase from the legendary coach Dinnis
screen a little bit too early when it comes to
the Philadelphia Eagles. They lose on Monday Night Football to Washington.
They look less than stellar against an ESPN coached Indianapolis

(10:08):
Colt team who, make no mistake about it, should have
lost that very lucky to come out with a victory
in that game. Should have lost that one. I mean,
and and again suddenly you look, well, Gihantston really helped
to build up that NFC East Today. What the heck
was that Arnie Um? But the Commanders won a game.
Cowboys looked incredibly competent stopping a muddle in the in

(10:29):
the Minnesota Vikings today. Sorry sorry, boss man, but I'm
just I'm starting to see those issues in Philadelphia. I
got a friend of mine that every game on Twitter
is ready to fire their defensive coordinator. How far again
he's a moron? And I'm like, oh, yeah, they just
gave a sixteen here and then you watch and you're like, gosh,
they do some stupid things. Uh. And the Colts, of

(10:50):
all team, the Colts were able to take advantage of it,
where should the panic level be for the Eagles fans
right now, because Arnie, in my mind, I think it's
pretty high. Well, if they if you look at the schedule,
they built that what eight No Or nine? And oh
start um based on a real soft schedule. I mean
they beat the Lions. Yes, they beat the Vikings, but
look at the beat down the Vikings got from from Dallas.
Today they beat the Commanders, the Commanders still the last

(11:13):
place team, and then they beat some five hundred teams
like the Jaguars, the Cardinals, the Steelers, the Texans and
blah blah blah um. Maybe they built themselves up because
they lose to the Commanders, should have lost to the Colts,
that would have been two losses. We'll see what they
do against the Packers. Who's those great shakes. But they're
about the easiest schedule I've seen in a seventeen game
schedule in my entire life. It's like cream Puffs after

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cream Puff. I don't know how they how they arrange this,
but really, other than the Titans, they'll play the Giants,
the Bears, and the Saints. So it's just a cakewalk
for Philadelphia. And I'm one of pe them will come
back and bite them in the backside when they get
to the playoffs. When I say the Spider Man meme,
do you know what I'm talking about? Okay? I think

(11:56):
in two weeks, do you have the spider meme game
in the National Football All League and it's Tennessee and Philadelphia.
I just I feel like you kind of point the
finger and yes, I I know. And for arguments sake,
here the Eagles have a better record than the Titans.
But after watching these two teams the last few weeks,
I kind of looking like, how are they this good?

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You know? How was their record this? I mean, I
watched Denver. I watched four quarters of Denver. Today I
watched all of Russell Wilson. It's probably the third or
fourth game I've watched them in this year. I've got
some thoughts in the way that game was broadcast, and
holy smoke, Mark Shlare put down the damn Bronco pomp
pomp when you're calling the game. Russell Wilson is affecting

(12:37):
the game with his cadence. And I think the Raiders
have one off side penalty all day long. And I
was a guy in the neutral z Oh my gosh,
a one yard run for Denver. Arnie was brutal, top strong. Meanwhile,
run out, there's one yard game for the Raiders, Like,
what are we doing here anyway? I'll let my homewards
and bad Guss. But I watched Denver and I saw
a team that's like, Okay, they haven't figured out how
to win yet, right they They're they're struggling with a

(12:59):
little bit of everything. They can't figure out how to
win a game. And they had the Raiders put away
and couldn't do it. But I could see right where God,
they got a few more breaks this season. That's a
team that could be just like Philadelphia right now. Right now,
they're not gonna have a blowout way and they're not
gonna what what the Eagles have earlier this year as
far as blood Oh, they beat Pittsburgh thirteen. Now Broncos

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probably won't have one of those on their resume, but
they get a break here there you see, do you see?
Nick writes, Note this blew my mind involving Denver. And
I'm not listen. I'm not just trying to to pile
on Denver here. I'm making a point to how I
feel like you know that that's a team that has
just not got breaks where someone like Philadelphia has got
him and maybe to their credit, created them. But Denver

(13:44):
has now has now allowed eighteen points. Are is not here?
You go? Here's the stat. Uh, the Broncos or would
be nine and one if they had scored eighteen points
in regulation in every game. Eight teen points. It's not

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in the National Football League, But the Broncos would be
nine and one this year, y'all if they just could
score eighteen points in regulation every single game, nine and one.
So to me, that magnifies this fine line between Okay,
where we are with how Philadelphias looking, how the Giants
have looked at times, and then teams that are on
the struggle bus, like the Raiders who found a way today.

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But the Broncos in light of that, I mean, Arnie,
that's a thin line between great and just okay, goodness
they have a yea that goodness, they have a good
offensive coordinator. Oh wait a minunight, I got that mixed
up there? Um yeah it I didn't think that that's
all they had to put up was eighteen points again
to you know, go ahead and have that type of record.
That is kind of strange. It's wild, right, but but

(14:48):
my point is, I mean, it's it also shows you
to me. And I'm not trying to compare Philadelphia to
to Denver by any stretch of the imagination, but it
can go south pretty quick. And bringing it back to Philadelphia,
you mentioned it's a soft schedule coming inside, but suddenly
there you know you're not getting it done against an

(15:09):
Indianapolis cult team. And yeah, I know what was on
the road. It was like Jeff Saturday's first home games,
so everyone was kind of on cloud nine. But I
mean again, you slip up a little bit against Green
Bay next week. You know, they look like a proud team.
We mentioned Tennessee. Suddenly that's two more losses and then
you're battling for first place in the NFC with the
Dallas Cowboys. Are good news is they've already played Washington

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twice this season. Now that the Commanders are playing better.
But I mean, I don't know, Arenie, that that thin line,
that fine line between really good and really bad was
magnified to me today. And I don't know if I
should be worried for the Eagles or if I should
be impressed that they're still finding ways to get these dubs, no,
because you know it's it's a win league and then
worry about next week. It really you know, they're playing games,

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you know what I mean, They're gonna have down games.
But you know, maybe we'll affect them in the playoffs.
You know what, when when it comes to overcoming adversity
and you're not used to being down or coming from
behind any of that, maybe maybe we'll come back and
bite him in the backside. By the way, Kansas City
with a touchdown? Did you did you not think they
were gonna come back with one six left and get
a touchdown to to beat the Chargers. There's thirty one

(16:18):
seconds left of the game. And uh oh gee, Travis Kelsey.
I would never have known that they would have gone
to him. I would have all eleven guys guarding him.
Just beat me with somebody at eleven. They're gonna guard
Dravis Kelsey and if we can stop him, and it's
gonna be a drill. And it's ridiculous how many many
balls he catches, six catches, six catches, a hundred fifteen
yards three scores. Tonight he's been targeted ten times in

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the game. And I saw this note earlier. Isaiah Pachero,
the running back fifteen, carries a hundred and seven yards.
It's the first running back over a hundred yards for
the Chiefs since last season when Clyde Edwards Hilaire had
a hundred two against the goals, which seems wild for
as explosive as their offenses, but they typically can't run

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the football all right, So thirty one seconds left, three timeouts,
can justin Herbert get it done? Chargers down thirt We'll
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(18:12):
we thought maybe Justin Herbert had a chance, right, all
three time outs, all three time outs, not the not
the best field position in the world. Right, It's not
like you had a big kick return you on your
own twenty five yard line touch back? Right, Um, two
plays any throws an interception ins the game, she got

(18:32):
stacked on the front, you know, or stopped on that
first quarterback drawer or whatever it was. What did you
make of the holding penalty? Now, it's kind of hard
for us because right we're on the air, so I
can't really hear what the rules analysts has to say. Um,
but you're sitting there at third and four and it

(18:54):
was the Chargers third and four, what minute twelve to
go in the game? Chargers at a good job of
pressuring Mahomes. He has to throw it away, probably gonna
be grounding, right because he threw it from in the
pocket and no one was even near it. But instead
there's a holding penalty on Derwin James that gives Kansas

(19:15):
City a fresh set of downs and and and literally Arnie.
Three plays after the holding penalty, the touchdown pass that
gives them the lead with thirty one seconds left. I
tough call in that situation, especially whenever the Chargers thought
they had it sealed away and it was so far
away from the play too, I would you know when

(19:35):
it's away from the play, And it kind of reminds
me of what happened in the Jets Patriots game on
the punt return and they were completing that there was
an illegal block. There was an illegal block alright on it. Yeah,
but that was like when a ten yards behind the play, Christian,
You're not gonna you can't call something like that in
that situation. I know people like, oh no, no, if
if it's a foul in the first second, it's a

(19:55):
foul in the last second. If it's a penalty the
first minute, it's a penalty in the last minute. No, No,
it was a It was a big situation end of
the game. He wasn't gonna catch him anyway. It wasn't
even close. If it has nothing to do with the play,
you just go ahead and let it go and you
move on. Yet, you can't call everything, Chris. So if
a guy rips a dude down by his face, mac
mask behind the play, because that's different. And by the way,

(20:18):
they say that, um in the NFL office, and that
was a clean hit anyway. But even if it wasn't,
I said that was not a clean hit. They said
it was a clean hit. I know, but I'm just
saying that there's no way now. And Patrevans, you don't
have to defend it. I mean, you know you saw it.
I thought it was about fifty fifty. But either way,
I would even if it was a dent Day block
in the back. First of all, what a stupid play

(20:39):
that was, because, um, you don't need to make a
block like that too. Even if he gets caught, he's
gonna get caught within that what the five yard line?
If that was the Dolphins who were having a player
return a pick or punt or kick against them, and
you saw that play happen, and I wasn't called you
losing your mind. I would lose my mind that we

(20:59):
lost the game. I died in the last five seconds,
but I wouldn't lose my mind that I was. It
would absolutely be the first guy here going that's a foul.
That's a foul, So stop it. Don't act like that
sudden better than that. I'm better than that. Listen. I'm
here to tell you this tonight because I love you, Arnie.
You're not better than that. Here's a really good question
from Doug off the website that somehow is still here

(21:22):
after I was told it was going to be finished
a couple of nights ago. Twitter dot com, Doug Rights,
can you explain how, in the final minute of a
Chiefs game, with them trailing, everyone in America except the
team they are playing, knows that Mahomes will throw to Kelsey.
I'm completely dumbfounded how this occurs almost everything you know.

(21:47):
Ramos was saying this to me at the break, and
I'm like, you know, what is it like? We don't
know it's not coming to Kelsey. I don't know what.
Can you not double team him? Do? Do I really
have to put all eleven guys on Kelsey and just
have y'all walk in with somebody else. I I don't
even know what to do at this point. If if
I'm Mahomes, I think I doted Kelsey like fifty times
a game. If you can't stop him, I don't need
anybody else. Jeez, it's ridiculous how this guy gets open

(22:10):
all the time. You know, my new favorite thing is
people trying end like the m v P discussion after
like this game, week eleven, and listen right now. If
I had an m v P vote, Patrick Mahomes would
be number one. But we also we also have like
eight weeks left in the season, and it literally a
guy has one bad performance, like well, he's out of
the m v P conversation. I mean, there's nothing more

(22:32):
fickle than that asinine conversation we have at this point
in the season in the NFL amongst fans. But I'm
the same way. I don't know how defenses can't adjust.
I mean, there's Juju's out, Todarius Tony had already got hurt.
Maybe the Chiefs running the football a little bit better
made it challenging to do what you wanted to do
against Kelsey and Derwin James honestly aren't he had done

(22:56):
a pretty good job against Kelsey at times. Here tonight,
I think Kansas City was over to going at Kelsey
whenever Derwin James was covering him on third downs. But still,
how does how does he still find a way to
get that open? Is in a moment where we stop
and say, he's just maybe the best tight end we've seen.
Maybe he's definitely in my opinion, Travis Kelsey in a

(23:17):
league rich with talented tight ends, you gotta give him
his props. He might be as arrogant as all get out,
but my man is the best at what he's doing
right now. He's a great tight end. By my question
is this, what would be a harder person to guard
somebody as big as somebody as Travis Kelsey, who is
not the fastest person, or somebody like Tyreek Hill, who
if you get a half of stop behind them, that's it.

(23:40):
You're done. He always has the news put the ball
in front of him and and you're never gonna catch him.
So you would think you'd just get physical with Kelsey. Look,
it's not gonna stop him all the time, but maybe
a couple of times you're gonna stop him. I don't
know how you stop a speedster, you know, Cooper Cup
He he doesn't because he runs such great routes. Nobody
can stop that guy. I don't. I don't know how
he gets away with it all the time. He's hurt.

(24:02):
So that's how you stopped. But I would also add
already I would really take big strong and fast over
just fast any day. And and Travis Kelsey pig strong fast.
Oh yeah, just just get physical with him or anything
like that. Three fast for where he lines. Do you
wanna have it? Can we pray Romo's we get the

(24:24):
Fox Sports Radio drying race board and we'll do some exs.
And I'm not really good at it. Maybe we can
tap in, uh, Brady Quinn or somebody just to lay
out how you line up a tight into making more
challenging to where he's not being covered by a fast
guy like say Tyreek Kills. But it's a good point, man,
I don't know how you stop. The Raiders haven't been
able to do it. Chargers couldn't do it consistently. Uh,

(24:46):
and the other team that division, the Broncos, probably have
the best personnel to do it, but there's such a
dumpster fire right now they can't get it done. So
my man is going to completely continue to dominate from
that time in position so the Chiefs win. But that's
just one of the many stories. You say, are you
trampling all over me here? I know you, But just

(25:07):
one more thing on that. You know, you say he's
the best tight end every right, So I said, maybe
the best Titan ever, maybe the best Titan ever. But
what happens if you put him on another team that
wasn't so good? Would he have those type of numbers
if he wasn't catching the ball from Mahomes? I mean,
look at Tyreek Hill. He went to another quarterback and
shows you what he's doing better than he was when
he was with with Mahomes. Is travill kell is gonna

(25:29):
put up those numbers if you, let's say, put him
to Jacksonville and he was catching it over there, or
you tell me, huh, yes, absolutely he would absolutely. Well
you're the same guy. Now. That's making it seem like
that Tyreek Hill sucked less or sucked more with Patrick
Mahomes and that he's now free and open whenever he

(25:50):
was the best receiver in the game when he was
with Mahomes and he's still really good. Good is good?
Arnie Travis Kelsey is gonna be good regardless where you
put him, and if you put I agree with you.
Put him somewhere else. Listen, NFL break this monopoly. Or
let's put Travis Kelsey in Vegas. All right, I'm telling
you he's that's good. Put him anywhere and he's gonna

(26:10):
be good, aren't. It's it's not just a matter of well,
Patrick Mahomes the offense good is good man, and Travis
Kelsey is damn good. And I can't stand the guy.
I can't. This pains me to say this. Why are
you doing this to me? It's like when you make
me to Findale Obama. He's good man. It doesn't matter
where he is. You love him in Miami. Oh you
don't think I would, of course, I mean, he's no Kaseki.

(26:32):
But if you come on ye all right, listen, let's
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Sega wraps up his responsibilities with the Chargers tonight is
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What's up, Kevin? How's it going? Uh? Sunday night football?
Just wrapping up as you guys just talked about the

(26:52):
Chiefs trailing late in that that game, thirty seconds ago
a seventeen yard touchdown pass from Mahomes to Travis Kelsey
to give the Chiefs the thirty to twenty seven win
over the Chargers. Kansas City now makes it a three
game lead in the a f C West. Some week
eleven scores from earlier today, the Bills make it through
the snow to Detroit and beat the Cleveland Browns at

(27:13):
their temporary home thirty one twenty three. Buffalo is now
seven and three. Eagles escape against the colt seventeen sixteen,
largely do in part to Jalen Hurts and his eighty
six yards and a touchdown on the ground, as Philadelphia
moves to the league best nine and one. Cowboys obiterate
the Vikings fourty to three. Vikings are the first eight
and two team in history to have a negative point differential.

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The Lions with an upset win over the Giants one
eighteen behind three touchdowns from Jamal Williams. Saints meet the
Rams twenty Ravens grind went out against the Panthers thirteen
to three. Commanders over the Texans ten Patriots make it
fourteen in a row against the Jets with a ten
three win over New York Bengals, top the Steelers thirty
seven thirty Falcons edge up the Bears twenty seven. Twenty

(27:56):
four Raiders were the twenty two sixteen overtime win over
the Broncos. In the NBA, Damian lillardre gonna miss one
or two more weeks. We're gonna reevaluate them at that time.
He's been dealing with a strain in his lower right leg.
One game in the association's currently still going on. The
Lakers leading the Spurs one eight teen to eighty eight
with a little underfour minutes ago in that one. Back

(28:17):
to you guys, thanks a lot, we appreciated Kevin as
we come to you alive tonight from the tire rack
dot Com studios. Oh, they're all over you for trying
to discredit Travis Kelsey. Yes, I know that. Let's read
them away. Let's do it all right. Um, let's see
where do we want to start here? Who has the
most not I don't like this guy. The guy's in
a hole. We're not reading his um the weed Smoker rights.

(28:40):
All it took was a Travis Kelsey touchdown to bury
the Charger season in any hopes of justin Herbert being
installed as the m v P big different uh Roger
the engineer, Hey genius. Travis Kelsey had great numbers with
Alex Smith. Um, how long has myhome has been in
the league? What year did he start? Taken over mahomes?

(29:02):
First season as a full time starter? I want to say,
let's see him and Baker would have been in sixteen.
So seven eighteen was his first year as a full
time starter. Interesting that happened to me. In eighteen was
the first year Travis Kelsey had his over a hundred yards.
Before then, his biggest year was twenty receptions less a

(29:22):
matter of fact, he had in the sixties and low seventies.
So I really proved my point, Thank you. I appreciate that. Well.
I mean he's still averaging twelve point to twelve point
to thirteen point to yard. I'm not going by the average,
crist I'm not going I'm doing my catches well. Is
so catches are what matters to you. If it doesn't,

(29:42):
if it proves my point, it does, okay, whatever wants
to prove your point exactly, we go by yards because
fourteen fifteen year he also had listed nine hundred yards
and then Finally, you know when Mahomes came around in nineteen.
I don't even know what point you're trying to make
on this. So you're trying to say that Kelsey isn't

(30:04):
that good to say there's gotta be a way to
stop him. I mean, it's ridiculous the way this guy
just and when you know he's getting the ball too
late in the game and you know what's going to him,
you still can't stop him. That's the crazy part. Yeah,
it's what's wild tonight. Like we brought up, is there
were moments where the Chargers actually did a pretty good
job on him, and he still still ends up with
six sketches, three of those for touchdowns. A hundred and

(30:26):
fifteen yards was the difference in Casey's thirty seven went
over the Chargers. So, right now, as it stands in
the a f C, if you want to get into
playoff conversations, which ten ten games in for most teams
right now? Um, the Chiefs have that lead for the
top spot by game over the Miami Dolphins. But look

(30:49):
how many teams are seven and three right now? There's
four teams Miami, Tennessee, Baltimore, and Buffalo all seven and three.
That's amazing. Five teams all separated by one game, um
for the top spot. Five teams separated by that, and
then you have three teams in the mix for two
playoff spots at six and four. The Chargers are right

(31:10):
there at five and five. But then it gets interesting, Artie,
because the Colt. No, it's not did you watch the
NFL last year? But it's done so after that. That's
that's why it's that, that's why it was important that
the Chargers lose. It's only between Cincinnati and the Jets
and the Chargers and the Patriots for three of the
last four spots. The Colts, Jaguars, Raiders. I'm sorry, they're

(31:32):
eliminated again. Did you watch the NFL season last year? Yes,
a little bit? Yes? Right? Where were your Dolphins to
start the year last year? Would you stop doing yeah?
Stop doing this crap. Okay, nobody is eliminated. Well, I'm
sorry the Browns. You're out by Cleveland and whatever that
was from Pittsburgh today. Holy smokes. But even mathematically, they're

(31:53):
all right there, Aretie, hell din dinverse. Mathematically still the
playoff mixed mathematically, But I mean, jeez, let's let's be
honest and um really figure from the Colts on down,
nobody's really gonna make a run. Maybe the Colts because
they got that one tie, so they're sitting in four
six of one. But I don't see Jacksonville or anybody
else making a running. I see a certain team there

(32:13):
at twelve, Arnie, who's been in more one score games
than anyone else this year, who just found out how
to win one score games. The Vegas Raiders, Darren Waller
getting healthy, Hunter renfro is gonna be back, their best cornerback,
Nate to get in what's the magic number nine or ten?
Probably ten? Oh, I think I think right now in

(32:36):
the a f C it's gotta be ten. So that
means you gotta win out, which isn't happening. But you
look in the next few games. We got Seattle next week,
who's playing pretty well. Then you get the Chargers, who
are a nightmare. You go to the Rams, who are
an absolute disaster. Arnie. In my book, that's the Raider
is getting to six and seven, where the showdown he
gets New England on Sunday Night football on December eight. Team.

(32:57):
So I'm just there to tell you I wouldn't count Out,
Derek Carr, Davante Adams, the return of Darren Waller, Hunter Renfro,
their best corner in Nate Hobbs. Don't write the don't
write the eulogy yet. Now this is the same guy
who wanted to fire everyone last week. Wake Up Doth,
Wakeup is calling? So yeah, it's uh yeah, but what

(33:18):
ended up? Happy to see? This is where that analogy sucks?
Aren't he What ended up happening at the end of it?
Wake Up Dorothy? An e M's calling. She's happy, everything
is good. She's she was getting out of Oz anyway,
So why is that telling someone she was leaving Oz?
So just dreaming the whole thing is what it was.
It was just dreams. No, it was real, Arnie. It

(33:39):
was real smoked the good stuff when you watch Wizard
of Oz. But I I think there's a couple of
teams like that. I got one in the NFC for
you when we come back. That's not sitting pretty. But
I'm sitting here thinking they get a break. Look at up.
Oh hell no, no, they're I'm so tired. Oh my

(34:01):
follow you packer Homer's I'm so tired of Aaron Rodgers
completing one pass and all of a sudden, it's like
I didn't know Christian Watson couldn't catch a ball. It's
like he completed one pass in a game and you
act like it's the greatest thing that's ever happened. Let's
get into some quarterbacks. You made a statement today. Let's
get into some NFC teams who might still be alive.
And let's get into your tweets. Next, it's art in

(34:23):
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lot of stats all over the place on this game, man,
people which came for the Chargers. Oh Chargers, Yeah, I
saw one of them. This must be a gambling guy
that Brandon Anderson said. Justin Herbert is now eleven twenty

(35:06):
nine and two against the spread all time in the
second half five cover rate. I don't even know there
was such a stat for something like that. Gres unbelievable,
you know. Cover rate. Yeah, in second half. I like it.
Let's add it. It's probably more important than completion. I
was about to say, that's got to be an important one,
considering that's you know, when you're gonna win a game

(35:27):
or loser games in the second half. I just there's
a part of me that is so infatuated with the
gambling side of things, but not not in the way
that some think. Kind of like Arnie, I really don't
put any money on games, but I don't sit here
and tell you how great my picks are. Three and
seven in college Barnie three and I was bad. I
was fired. If you were a head coach, I'm gonna
start calling you the Nathaniel Hacket a page. I went

(35:49):
six and thirteen so far. I got one more game
to go terrible. But I I because in a lot
of ways, it really does ratchet up interest in the
most meaningless situations ever, Like like I think about this
the end of the TCU Baylor game yesterday, right, arguably
one of the most wild finishes we've seen in college football,

(36:12):
the dumbest, dumbest play calling I've ever seen at the
end of the game. But the third and seven r
are the yeah, thurding seven run. Didn't get it either.
Didn't make a lot of sense to me, but I
guess they had practiced it whatever. They won the game though, right,
And it's funny, everyone's everyone's losing their minds, like gosh,
TC is still undefeated, finding a way and literally as
you scroll through like the comments, there's people that are

(36:33):
mad about the missed extra point than having to go
for two because if they would have at least got
that extra point, aren'tie they would have covered with the
game winning field goal because the spread was two and
a half, so it didn't it didn't matter that they
won by one. If you look in like the comments,
there's people are like, it doesn't matter. Not a great team,
you don't cover? How dare you miss an extra point

(36:54):
to make that? It's like, what are we doing right now?
You know the rules better than everybody else. You know
the rule in the at least I know the in
the NFL. Um when the offense makes a substitution, the
referee stands over the ball and allows the defense to
make the substitution after that. Correct, Is that the same
thing that goes on in college because once it started
in because once TCU made that first move different and

(37:19):
special teams, I was gonna say, why wouldn't you take
your time? It's it's a look at you making a
good point? Can we nerd out for just a second time?
Nerd out? Because that's exactly what I was thinking. Well,
I go take your time, but he's gonna stand over
the ball. Take your time. It's a big it's a
big move in college football, and you don't see it

(37:39):
as much in the NFL because maybe outside of Kansas City,
you don't have a lot of tempo offenses in the NFL.
But in college football, I mean Oklahoma runs Temple Tennessee
or miss Us even though that Lincoln Riley doesn't really
run a tempo offense. It's just they don't huddle. They
run the football a lot. But listen, we we don't
need to get to the nuts and bolts of it.
But it's called snail is an offensive call. And what

(38:02):
you'll see is it was an old bait. It was
an art Brile's trick back in the day, they sneak
a wide receiver onto the field and you couldn't change
the match up against him. They'd get you in the
wrong personnel. Chip Kelly was really good at it two Oregon.
So the college ranks change the rule and so now, uh,
you'll see, whenever the offense makes a move, right, they
they substitute a guy out official, stands over the ball,

(38:24):
holds his arm out, and then the defense will chot
on this big old defensive tackle and it takes them
like ten minutes, it seems like, to get out there
on the field and the next thing you know, there's
like a second on the play clock and they can
snap it. You from what we learned yesterday and nerding
out on this, Arnie, you it's different and special teams,
those rules only apply on offense. When it's special teams,

(38:47):
apparently it doesn't matter. So if you're running out to
do a punt or a field goal, uh, you can
make all that personnel change. Which is funny because I
guess if you fake the field goal, right, it kind
of if you just kept your quarterback in there to uh,
to hold would have been different. I don't know, But
from what we learned because we were talking the same
thing yesterday on the college ranks. But now now it's good,

(39:09):
good thought on your mind. But crazy finished like that,
But that all people are mad about. If you have
made an extra point, you would cover the damn spread.
I love it. I love it right now. Listen, guys
on on Twitter at at stinking genius went a playing show.
We're not fighting about Travis Kelsey or Rob Gronkowski's greatness. Okay,

(39:30):
it's just as shocking to both of us. It's not
disrespecting Gronk or Todd Christensen or Ricky Dudley, all those
great tight ends. Thank you whenever we say how good
Travis Kelsey is. It's just still a shock to both
of us that you look at us a late game
situation and the dude is wide open in the end zone,

(39:53):
are running wide open and no one can stop him.
You would think by now they would figure out it's
a good idea out of block cover whatever it takes
that guy, because he to the ground right when he
got off. All right, you, hey, that's what the Raiders
tried to do with him. Go back, go back to
the Monday night football game. They literally had a guy

(40:13):
that every time he came off the line of scrimmage Arney,
they would just knock the snot out of him, and
that their defense. All right, when we come back an
hour two, let's go all in on week Levin, who
saved their season, whose season came to an end? And
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(40:36):
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(40:56):
I forgot? You don't put me on work. Lakers, as
you heard one night one ninety two, Sunday Night Football
was fantastic, came down to the end, and again Travis
Kelsey makes a big play, justin Herbert does not as
the Chargers fall in Sunday Night Football to the Chiefs.
Thirty seven. Uh, and I was thinking about this, Sarny.

(41:17):
If you're looking at the big matchups in week eleven,
those that really caught your I from today, I would say,
are big takeaways are what the Cowboys just throttling the Vikings,
the Ravens finding away, the Giants looking like posers bearing
the rams and probably watching what uh the end of

(41:37):
the Nathaniel Hackett era? That didver the Nathaniel Hackett era
and denver did? I hit all the big stories from
week eleven they have, But to be the biggest surprise,
it was the Cowboys what they did to the Vikings.
You know, Okay, I picked the Vikings to win, and
I thought the Vikings were probably gonna go ahead and
I'm not gonna say run away with it, but win
it by maybe double digits. Never thought that if the
Cowboys won the game, they win it the way they did.

(41:58):
Maybe they went on the last can field goal be
a low scoring game? They just dominated? I mean absolutely dominated.
Is that the best game Dak Prescott's ever played in
his life? I don't know, but um, the Cowboys looked
awfully good. They certainly did, and um, would I be fired?
He hit the dump button. If this is not being
allowed to I'm not allowed to say this. Okay, get

(42:19):
your hand on the dumb button? Is power the better?
Running back to Ezekiel Elliot or what? I'm just kind
of curious about that. Are you new to sports radio? Welcome?
But I you know a lot of people say you're
crazy when you say stuff like that. You know, I
would say nine point nine out of ten people that
watch the National Football League would not call you crazy, Arnie.

(42:39):
The only people that wouldn't that would call you crazy
here like Ohio State fans like, no, he's a buck
guy for goodness sakes, how dare you? You can't say that?
And then you stop me like well, I mean, okay,
well Tony Poller does does this? You're like, well, okay,
maybe so. But now I listen, I feel like I
feel like that's one of those bandwagons that's been kind

(43:01):
of loading up for a couple of weeks, and now
you're starting to see the pay off from it. In fairness,
Zeke's just now getting back. But as it credit to Pollery, right,
aren't he when he's got that opportunity, he's truly taken
advantage of it? Yes, he has, and you know what's
kind of weird about the whole thing. It could have
very easily have been Pollard, the one with a big contract,

(43:22):
you know what I mean, He's the one that was
the go to guy and holding out for the big
money and and all that stuff, you know what I mean.
He could easily have been him with the big name
and had he gone somewhere else, But um, he wanted
to stay in Dallas. So but whatever, he's he's had
a good career. He's been there a while. Yeah, I
mean you Pollard had a chance to go somewhere else,
are you would think wouldn't he or no? Well, I

(43:43):
mean it's he's only been in the league for four seasons.
I mean, this is his fourth year, so I mean,
I don't I don't know. I just I've he was
a fourth round pick of the Cowboys in twenty nineteen,
so I mean, I don't know if he had a
ton of options of other places to go, but at
the very least, now getting that opportun gonna need to
be the Bell cow Uh. He's definitely taking advantage of it. Now.
To the point you brought up off the top of

(44:04):
the hour, I want to go back and ask this
question if you are truly the boss and in charge
of schedules, and are you are truly running this show?
Why are we not on Monday through Friday? Why are
we only on Sunday night? Wants to work five days
and we'd rather work like maybe Tuesday, Wendes. I would
like to wait more, make more money and not be
up until two am. If you, if you're up there,

(44:25):
I could I can find out Maybe Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
noonish to one is we'll take an hour away from
Colin and we'll do don't don't pencil us in from
noon the one? Noonish to one is we don't like to,
you know, whenever we get here, we get here when
we don't, we don't, but we don't want to do.
Say I'm kind of a hard worker though, Arenie. I
don't like this las Fair attitude, right, I mean, I

(44:46):
I want to be in but no, you and I
get a chance to hang on. What Wednesday and Friday?
Is that right? Doing? Mikel Rman, I got you Monday,
Wednesday Friday is when I put you on, and I'm
doing Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Wednesday Friday with you and Thursday
with VJ. Who is another Dolphin fan? Who's such a
big Dolphin fan? You're ready for this. I don't want
to discourage the guy, but he wants me. He makes

(45:09):
me want to root against the Dolphins. That's how bad
he pulls. How much stuff on Twitter about the Dolphins?
You know? Wait, you're the ultimate in making people want
to root against the Dolphins. He's worth, Are you sure?
I mean you guys tell me it's stinking genius. Want
to plank show on Twitter? I'll know so, boss, Who
do I have to write shotgun tomorrow night with Harmon?
Or do I get to drive tomorrow night? That's the

(45:31):
I think. I think Harmon usually drives out. You know,
it's his show. I mean, it's him and Jason Smith
show where I'm not a good navigator, Arnie. I I
kind of struggle. Sometimes I'll get lost on my phone
and the next thing, you know, we've missed the exit.
But I'll do my best to say, folks, you don't
get that because you don't go on road trips to you. No, No,
I guess all right. Anyway, Week eleven for the National

(45:52):
Football League, every single Sunday night here on Fox Sports Radio.
We like to start out number two were talking about
who saved their season and whose season came to an end.
Arnie real quick before we dive into it, though, and
Todd Ferham and joins us in about ten minutes from now.
I didn't want to stake a case for a rather
long shot NFC playoff team. But then as I started

(46:13):
really digging into it, I know you're all in on
the top seed in the a f C and you're
worried about your Dolphins, But I mean, who can you
really count out right now in the UNFC for that
seventh spot. I mean, the Niners are in that seventh
spot and they're five and four right now, and if
they lose obviously math five and five on Monday Night
against Arizona. But I don't really I mean, the Falcons

(46:36):
still have their buy. They've played eleven games um already.
This season has to do the Commanders coming up, uh
Packers as well as you're saying, So I don't I
don't really know who to bury because I thought I
was gonna be real smart and say the Packers are
are Actually the Falcons are a team that has a
chance to make the playoffs. Just look look look at
what they've been able to do when they've had these
games every now and then, where you're like, holy smokes,

(46:58):
Arthur Smith has an offense and Mariota staying healthy. But
then I looked in there there only one game out
of the playoffs right now. I mean, I don't really
know if that's necessarily pulling a needle from the haystack
in a surprise team when squad it's only one game
out right now. I think in the NFC it's everybody
from Arizona, of everybody from like Green Bay, Saints, Rams, Carolina,
Chicago too much. They have seven losses. In San Francisco's

(47:21):
got four losses, so you're three games behind in the
loss column. It's tough enough to make up to. The
Lions are on a little bit of a role. And
I actually I'll tell you this. I think they win
at home on Thanksgiving against the Buffalo Bills, so that
give him another win. I don't know if they could
make the playoffs, but they've been there. They've been a
fun team to watch the last a couple of games,
no doubt about that. Well, do you want to start
there with teams who saved their season and we even

(47:43):
we put the Lions in there absolutely. I mean, look again,
I don't know if they're gonna go and make it running.
You still have plenty of time left. I mean, like
I said, ten games probably get you in the playoffs.
I doubt they run the table or anything like that.
But hey, the season is still alive and it was
a good victory. And like I said, um, you know
they're not that far behind their two games behind in
the laws column. They'll look good, real better, a lot better.

(48:06):
And a matter of fact, I think they went on Thanksgiving,
like I said, against Buffalo, which would put them in
five and six. This was a team that had a
five game losing streak, the Detroit Lines. They lost twenty
nine zip to the Patriots in a game that they
weren't even competitive. They got beat three scores by the
Dallas Cowboys this year, and honestly, I'm not just saying

(48:28):
this because you're Dolphin's homer and we're doing a show together,
but Miami beat them a little bit more than just
thirty seven, right, I mean, that was a game when
you look back on it, and all right, might look
thirty one seven, but Miami rallied and kind of took
care of business. So now they've won three straight games.
I don't know what you're seeing and picking them over Buffalo,

(48:50):
but I like it. And then suddenly it's Jacksonville before
a Minnesota team that's ridiculous to figure out as anyone
in in the NFL this year. And that's a team
they only lost to I four earlier this season. So yeah,
the Lions not only save their season but generating a
little hope for Detroit fans and they haven't had that
in a long time. Yeah. So see what see what

(49:11):
the fans say when they went on Thanksgiving? Um, and
that's gonna be an electric crowd out there, especially coming
off with the victory today. So and and by the way,
Buffalo um. And I'm telling you, I don't know. One
week they're good, one week they're average. I don't know
what they get from this Buffalo team, you know. Yeah,
but again it's so it's why this show, I think.
And and then you know, not having a full day

(49:32):
to kind of I mean, even the Monday Show sometimes
are hard and when you just focus on the NFL,
aren't he Because we could sit here and debate this
all night. Retweets, take calls, have guests on like Todd firman,
who's coming up next? And we'll sit here, go man,
what is what is wrong with Buffalo these last few weeks?
They're just not looking the same. They let Cleveland back
in this game late, and this is coming off a

(49:53):
two game losing streak to a Jets team that couldn't
score a point today. Um, and then they'll go out
and do something like be Detroit by fifty on Thursday.
I mean, it's just that that's the NFL. Man, It's
a week to week league. It makes no sense. We
could sit here and look at all the numbers and
this this same the same Buffalo bill team that beat
the Chiefs and everyone's crowning them, and it's like, oh

(50:14):
my gosh, they're sitting here this season as what a
six and one football team? Now they're wanted two in
their last three games. Um, and in your eyes, they're
gonna lose on Thursday. I don't see that. That's just
how do you How do coaches stay employed in this league? Right?
I mean? How the hell do gamblers make any money
on this league? It's just it makes no sense to me.

(50:35):
It's truly a week to week league, and I feel
like it changes every single week. Outside of Patrick Mahomes
finding a wide open Travis in the game, it seems
like Arnie teams, like Detroit teams like we just mentioned
Atlanta here earlier, teams like now the Buffalo Bills, they're
just hard to figure out. Bills aren't real hard to
figure out. I want because and the Jets too. I mean,

(50:57):
my goodness, man, if they had any offense what however,
I'd love to see what their record would be because
they're just putrid. I mean, you gotta get another quarterback.
It's not gonna happen with Zack Wilson. It's just it's
just horrible out there. What do you have like seventy
five yards passing? He's pathetic. I saw stat that was
like three in the second half. I don't know because

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it can't get worse than seventy five for the game,
but I I know that, yeah, some somebody said for the
second half. Can I then, with that in mind, submit
a team for who saved their season? And maybe it's
not just this week, but it's a collection of the
last few weeks. And granted two of their three wins
or against the Jets, but coming off of Monday Night

(51:40):
football loss to the Bears at home. We all kind
of started questioning Bill Belichick, which, for some reason you
love to do. I've never understood it. But now the
Patriots have won three games in a row. They've got
the Vikings next Sunday night, who are coming off a thumping,
and suddenly they're just a game out of first place
right now. Everyone, by the way, in the a f

(52:00):
C East is right there in the mix. But not
just the game, but right there the mix for the
playoffs too, aren't he did the Patriots save their season
with that wild finish in the Jets Patriots game today? Yeah,
they save their season, but it still doesn't feel like
they will do anything if they do make the playoffs.
I don't think they'll make the playoffs anyway, because, um,
I believe their next three games are against the Visional foes.
I'll have to double check out. They're playing Minnesota next week. Okay,

(52:23):
then the other two games are Arizona. Yeah, they'll they'll, they'll. Well, there,
I'm wrong three times out because I was looking at
Buffalo's record. Maybe they're the ones that play three opponents
in there in the a f C East. They'll eventually
eventually get two games in each and you know you'll
see some loss and so it's not going to continue
this way. They'll start knocket each other off. I can't

(52:44):
assume all of them are gonna be above five hundred
when the season's over. I don't think that's bathmatically possible.
Here's here's one for you. Just and by the way,
I'm just gonna make this clear. I just happen to
have the Patriots schedule pulled up whenever you war. That's
the only reason I think it was Buffaloes. I look
the Buffaloes earlier. Okay, New England's next four games are

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all in prime time. They play next next Thursday. There
did I say Sunday? I'm sorry? Next Thursday they do
the Thursday night game in Minnesota. So that's a short
turnaround for Kirk. Have you seen Kirk Cousins when you
play after what happened to them today? That's thet have
you don't guarantee you guaranteed last week and you went

(53:28):
like three and seven and missed five of your guarantees,
AREN'TI This is now not the time whenever you can
be bad at picking um. Kirk Cousins reckon a primetime games.
Not good, but get that. They play back to back
Thursday games. They play Minnesota on Thanksgiving NBC game. They've
got the Bills the following week at home, that's a
prime game. They play Monday Night Football at Arizona on

(53:52):
the twelve. And then there you're gonna go, oh and
three and those three for the for the Patriots. You're
doing this just because you don't like the Patriots. And
then they've got to win. And then they got the
Raiders on December eighteens and three, so there you go,
exactly right. They're gonna go too and two, and they're
gonna be an absolute nail in your coffin to your

(54:13):
Dolphins season on December first, and gonna be a cry like, oh,
the Dolphins are so good? What's your boys name that
you're coming on with on Thursday? Vince, VJ J, You
and VJ I'll be crying like to have cut to Uh.
I'm telling you right now, mark it down. January one,
the Patriots are going to put a dagger in the

(54:34):
Dolphins season arty and you're gonna have yourself to blame.
You can't doubt Senator Palpatine over there running the Patriots.
They won a damn game without doing anything. But one
of these teams did anything offensively today. I think you
and all our listeners have been wrong from day one
when I tried to explain to you what the Dolphins
we're gonna do this year, and all you did was

(54:54):
mock me, and you and the listener, the listeners sitting
in text. You're an idiot. You don't know what you're
talking about. Dolphins suck. Look what they did the year
before two was no good and and everything I told
you was it was spot on the top team in
the a f C with Kansas City. Two is the
real deal, just like I've told you for a long

(55:15):
time now. And picking up Tyreek Hill was the biggest thing,
um imaginable, which I said was gonna put him over
the top home run each time up in bat, and
and and finally just starting to get it. Don't don't
doubt the Dolphins, my friend, don't do it. Hour and
fifteen minutes into the show before you started getting in
your fields about the Dolphins, who will gladly hand the

(55:37):
Texans their second win of the season next Sunday. Um
one other team, I don't show up if they lose
to the Texans. I won't show. Okay, I want to
one more team that saved their season when we come back,
because I thought there was one game today to where
I watched. I'm like, okay, this team's got a chance,
and I'm not talking about my Raiders. I want Homer
out yet. We'll get to that next with Todd Fermant

(55:57):
live from Vegas. It's Darny and playing Committy live from
the tire rack dot Com studio on a Fox Football Sunday.
All right, welcome back Arnie and Plank on a Fox
Football Sunday. Todd for I'm and ready to roll out. Okay,
thank you, Darnie Spanier. I'm Chris Plank. You got me
digging during this break about the Patriots win. Um, it

(56:20):
was the first game and at least the last forty
seasons in which the first touchdown scored was a defensive
or special teams touchdown in the final minutes of the game.
It's and I know that's kind of a deep one,
but the point is this doesn't happen very often to

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where you have the only score of the game be
a walk off play like that, be its special teams.
I think the Giants had a pun return walk off
against Philadelphia if I remember, but I'm not sure. Okay,
I'm gonna reread this. It was the first time in
which the first t D scored was a deep intive
our special teams t D in the final minute of

(57:03):
the game. It's the fourth time that a special teams
touchdown has walked off a game. Yes, DeShawn Jackson did
it for the Eagles against the Giants. Um in oh
nine there was a play by Robert Blackman for the
Sea How moved that was like eighty nine? Uh? And
in You Have to Walk On in the Ravens blocked

(57:26):
field goal against the Browns and Monday Night Football. Joining
us right now is Todd Ferman from Vegas Bet the
Board podcasts, and you can find him, of course on
Twitter at Todd Ferman. All right, good day for the books,
bad day for the books. Where was their greatest risk today?
And did it pay off? You know? One of the
spots where the books needed things to work out in
the House's favor. They got the home underdog to cover

(57:46):
for them in the nightcap with the Los Angeles Chargers
coming up short in terms of winning that game outright,
but getting there early in the day, the Books found
themselves rooting for the Detroit Lions. The public continues to
back the Giants, although I think we're bound to see
a little bit more regression from the Giants. They're extremely
limited offensively defensively, they don't do anything that blows you away,
and that's evident obviously in the number that we see

(58:07):
for their trip to Dallas on Thanksgiving. In terms of
some of the other games that stood out as far
as the House was concerned, they were on the wrong
side of the Commander's Texans game. Uh, there was no
professional money that came in on the home underdog, and
the general public wants to fade the Texans regardless of
who they play. And when you look at the Bills
Browns game, they would have loved Cleveland who have gone
for a two point conversion late in that game, hoping

(58:29):
that the game fell instead of thirty three. With that
closing number at seven and a half. I don't think
there was one gambler that took the Panthers plus thirteen.
Today I lost with the Ravens minus third team. I'll
think anybody took the Panthers. It's always tough to cover.
Is a thirteen point favorite in the game when you
only score thirteen points. And what's interesting about that spot
When you look at teams and it's not a massive

(58:50):
sample size that are double digit favorites coming out of
the bye, it has typically been a great strategy to
go against them, whether it's rushed or getting caught looking
past the particular inferior opponent. You saw that on full
display today when you watch Baltimore kind of look like
it was a glorified dress rehearsal of sorts. Unfortunately for
the Carolina Panthers, they really couldn't do much offensively to
put a threat into the Ravens. Do you wonder, Todd,

(59:13):
I was thinking about this today and watching the Raiders,
unfortunately when whenever I wanted them to be in team tank.
How much do you think the NFL now has to
monitor stuff like this in places like Carolina, knowing that
you know, Houston's had one and eight and there might
be a few interesting quarterbacks in this draft. Do you
think it ever becomes a very concerning as it is

(59:35):
in the NBA tanking in the NFL, because I almost
feel like you're gonna back into some wins of the
National Football League? Is it a concern the NFL should
have no I don't think so. And the reason I
say that is because organizations tank, but players don't. I mean,
if these guys take their foot off the accelerator for
even one snap, given the level of physicality there, they
risk putting themselves in serious jeopardy. The eye and the

(59:56):
sky never lies, and they're constantly fighting for their next job.
The other thing about that, when you go through the
NFL and the way the drafts great out, it's a
lot different and it's a much more imperfect science when
you look at top quarterbacks and number one overall picks
that Peyton Mannings and the Andrew Lucks aren't always the norm,
like a Victor wemban Yama, who we know is going
to have the ability to change the fortunes of an

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NBA franchise, or Lebron James. You know, you can make
a case for a number of quarterbacks and right now,
if you had the number one pick, is it Will Levis,
Is it c J. Stroud? Is it Bryce Young or
a guy I think that's going to climb up draft
boards given his raw tools as much as anything else.
Should you elect to come out, Anthony Richardson will find
himself very much in the discussion because I haven't been
overwhelmed with some of the other players that are projected

(01:00:38):
to go number one. So I just bet the under
and every Jets Patriots game, like under fifteen or something
like that. They just can't score these horrible It's incredible.
I mean, you watch some of the ineffectiveness from that
Jets offense. I mean the amount of completions that Zach
Wilson have typically the number of classes most college quarterbacks
attend during their times at educations, uh at during their

(01:00:59):
higher educations. But I mean, this is a Jet team
right now that appears in the postgame press conference to
be pointing fingers at one another, Zach Wilson not taking
accountability and responsibility for this offense struggling mightily for New England.
Yet again, that defense gave them every chance to win
the football game. And when the Jets muster a grand
total of I think it was less than ten yards
in the second half, you ain't gonna beat a whole

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lot of NFL teams. Crazily enough, though, But I know
you guys were talking about the walk off punt return.
If the Jets hold New England to a field goal
they still find a way to potentially cover. As a
three and a half point wrote about that, that's fantastic.
To take me back, I know you've talked about this
at length, but what are the rules? How does Vegas
handle whenever you have a game move like this? I

(01:01:41):
know it's such a rare occasion, but do they just
do they reset the uh the kind of the pallett
that cleans the palette and all bets are are are canceled,
then they reset them once they get to a new side. Yeah,
the majority of books, Chris, once you change venues, excuse me,
I will refund all action. But there are a couple
of books out there, and relatively prominent ones that say

(01:02:02):
all bets are actually action as long as the designated
home team doesn't change. So what you had is they
were growing whispers of this game potentially moving to a
much faster track and a total that had been bet
under under the expectation they were going to play in
six ft of snow. People were coming in betting it
over forty two, hoping that this was going to get
moved inside, and lo and behold those folks that got

(01:02:23):
ahead of it. They understood the house rules and how
those could be exploited. We're able to take full advantage
of that with the game ultimately falling fifty four. You
have any, uh any tricks for Thanksgiving Day games? Do
you take a look at who played on the road
the week before and say, I'm gonna go ahead. If
they've got to be on the road again, bet against them.
What kind of tricks up for Thanksgiving? You know, the

(01:02:44):
NFL usually does some pretty good job. And obviously we
have a significant enough sample size that Detroit and Dallas
have become the two fixtures on Thanksgiving that there aren't
any discernible trends. Typically Detroit has been overvalued in this
spot when you look at some of the inferior teams
they put out there now riding a three game winning streak,
books may find themselves with slightly more balanced action. And
this week you have the unusual predicament for Buffalo that

(01:03:06):
they don't even have to leave where they played their
game on Sunday. They'll be right there is a de
facto second home team. You look at the Giants and
Cowboys increased familiarity there within the division, and I think
the most fascinating game is obviously at night with a
pair of winning teams doing battle Minnesota looking to bounce
back after demoralizing loss today against the Cowboys in New
England with the consummate floor general in Bill Belichick having

(01:03:28):
a very short turnaround to figure out what he can
do to fix the offense, because I can tell you
ten points won't cut it against his Vikings team on
a faster track after they were lit up like a
firecracker earlier day by that Cowboys offense. Todd I want
to slide in one more. I was talking about the
week to week league and how challenging this is. Suddenly
the Lions are winning games. I mean to try to

(01:03:48):
to figure out what's going on with with Buffalo even
though they want today they tried to give it away
and have lost two of three. Is the NFL as
challenging as it gets because of the week to week
nature of it. When it comes to handingcapping and trying
to figure out what's which team you get on what day,
there's no different than any other sport. When you're trying
to identify good situational spots. You have to do a

(01:04:09):
good amount of extensive reading to try and engage coaches
and players quotes in terms of the level of focus, engagement,
and I think this week the perfect illustration. It was
rather telling Dallas in the wake of their loss at
Green Base at how disappointed they were and the players
needed to be more accountable in their run fits. And
you could tell that Micah Parsons, never having not generated
any pressure against Aaron Rodgers, was going to be a

(01:04:31):
much larger focal point to get him in the backfield.
I mean, he disrupted that game on the opening series,
Whereas Kevin O'Connell's comments after they ended up outlasting Buffalo
in a probable fashion said that the players were exhausted,
he wasn't sure that they were going to be able
to run it back and show that same emotion, and
that was pretty evident over the course of sixty minutes.
But for all of those particular illustrations where the players

(01:04:51):
kind of tip their hand and you feel you can
glean a little bit of value, it still is a
league where it's an oblong ball that doesn't always bounce
the right way for sports betters. And there's a reason
that so many of these games in a league of
parody like we're seeing this season, it's all about getting
the best of the number because it differentiates wins and
losses like the Bears and Falcons that we're betters that
may have laid three and a half with the Falcons

(01:05:12):
that end up on the wrong side of it in
the game falls three. But if you late two and
a half with the Falcons late and you end up
taking three and a half early with the Bears, both
sides can be winners there. You know, Todd, I, I
know you probably need my help on this, so I'm
more than happy to give it to you. You know,
I'm the expert on Wales soccer and they're all one
in five in their last six in the U e

(01:05:33):
f A Nations League. Take US A U s A
layed the half a goal, My friend lay half a goal.
You know, it's always difficult with to run and lay
a half a goal in this kind of spot against
a team that really wants to grind you down. Wales
is gonna bunker in. Let's see how the US handles
the weight of expectations. I think a lot of people
believe they should get out of their group. You dig
into what they're gonna have to go through to try

(01:05:54):
and get to the round of sixteen. I think they're
gonna have their hands full, and it's a relatively young
and inexperienced team who was in the out side looking
in four years ago. You just hope that they show
progress here and it creates a level of optimism for
this golden generation, knowing that the World Cup will shift
to American soil, and we have reason to believe that
that team could potentially put together a deep run. Look

(01:06:15):
at you, ripping you. All Arnie wanted to say is
that he had a pick for the World Cup and
had no idea and Todd and their last thing, you know, Plank.
I think the better question is if you gave Arnie
a blank map, and we don't even have to give
him a global map. You can give him a map
of Europe. Could he find whales? And being whales was

(01:06:37):
located on that map? I can't making fun of too
many people. I was Google and where's guitar today? So
I can't get too carried away. Todd, listen, you're the man.
I have a great Thanksgiving. I hope you spend time
with family and loved ones, and we'll talk to you
next Sunday. I hope always a pleasure gentleman, have a
great Thanksgiving as well, and enjoy all the tremendous games
that we'll see from now through next Sunday. You know,

(01:06:58):
maybe that on a map, maybe maybe even before Thanksgiving?
Right Friday night, doesn't Todd do something on with Jason
and Mike and we're in on Friday night. Let's go
all right, listen, We've got so much to get to Twitter.
You guys have been great. We're hitting the best tweet
to the show next. But first, our man Kevin Wyrett
is in with what's trending in the world of sports. Hey, guys,

(01:07:20):
Sunday Night football going final About an hour ago in
Los Angeles back and forth affair between the Kansas City
Chiefs and Los Angeles Chargers. Patrick Mahomes to Travis Kelsey,
a seventeen yard touchdown pass with thirty seconds to go
gave the Chiefs a thirty to twenty seven win over
the Chargers. Kansas City now a full three games ahead
in the a f C West. Some other week, eleven

(01:07:41):
scores in the NFL, Eagles escaped from the cold seventeen sixteen,
Jalen Hurts with a seven yard touchdown run with a
little over three minutes ago in that game that was
part of his eighty six yards of a touchdown on
the ground for the Eagles as Philadelphia win seventeen sixteen
and moves to a league best nine and one. Cowboys
obliterate the Viking forty to three. Vikings writing two but

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the first eight and two team in NFL history to
have a negative point differential lines with an upset win
over the Giants one eighteen. Jamal Williams with three touchdowns
for Detroit ST's beat the Rams twenty seven twenty Ravens
grind went out against the Panthers thirteen to three. Commanders
beat the Texans. Patriots make it fourteen in a row

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against the Jets with a ten three win over New York.
Bengals top the Steelers thirty seven to thirty. Falcons edge
out the Bears twenty seven twenty four. The Raiders were
the twenty two sixteen overtime win over the Broncos and
an NBA news Damian Lillard gonna be reevaluated in another
one to two weeks. He had his a strain in
his lower leg, his lower right leg, and have back

(01:08:43):
to you guys. Thanks all. I appreciate that Kevin as
we come to you alive tonight from the tire IRAQ
dot com studios with already spanning your m Chris Plank
on a Fox Football sunny You ready to hit some tweets?
I'm ready to do it, my friend. I like this
from Pete out a Republic Pete seventy six because springing up,
there's another team that I saw kind of in our
who saved their season, whose season may have come to

(01:09:04):
an end. Uh. Pete hit on one that I like.
He writes, the Bengals save their season against the Steelers.
Bengals lose that game the Ravens pretty much when the
division and Cincinnati is on the outside looking in. I
like that a lot because not only to me that
it's signal hey Cincinnati is they're gonna be okay, but
it's their second straight win without Chase, and it's not

(01:09:27):
just a team that's trying to make the playoffs. Aren'tie
breaking news. They went to the Super Bowl last year
and they've looked anything but a super Bowl contender this year.
So I kind of think that once they get Jamar
Chase back whenever, that might be what the report today.
He was on crutches and today they saw him off them,
So maybe there's a chance and he's back sooner rather

(01:09:47):
than later. But it's a bit of a brutal stretch
for Cincinnati coming up. Ye Tennessee next week. You've got
the Chiefs after that, so you know, you could as
easily be you know, six and six and I'm sitting
here eating row, and you win those two games and
you get to eight and four, lookout there, big time problem. No, absolutely, Look,
they struggled against the Steelers, no doubt about that. I mean,

(01:10:08):
still has put up a better game than I thought
they were gonna be. And you're right, they just want
to wait till Chase gets back. Otherwise, I mean, my goodness,
they still put up thirty seven points. Had they lost, though,
and dropped the five and five, yche man, can you
believe that, it wouldn't have been like the season would
have been over, but it would certainly have been a client.
They wouldn't have been in a playoffs spot right now, um,

(01:10:29):
but they would have been behind the eight ball, that's
for damn sure. Still plenty of games left. But but
that was a big win by them, especially it was
on the road. Shout out to our man Calbert. Do
you see that at that damn bear on Twitter? It's
listening tonight Arnie from the hospital. Wow, Calbert, get well,
my friend, get well? Uh, nature boy right. He's in

(01:10:50):
Arizona to geez, get well, um, nature boy right. Jimmy
G is ready to dispose of the Cardinals in Mexico tomorrow.
Word is he is using the alias Rico Suave. I
still think that's one of the coolest videos I've seen
this year. Whenever Jimmy G is courtside at the what
the Warriors game and all the cheerleaders come by. That
was fantastic. That was awesome. Man. Can you imagine being

(01:11:14):
that good look? If I was that good looking, I'd
be so conceited. Oh my good you couldn't even talk
to me right now. I would. I'd be looking in
the mirror constantly. Oh my goodness. If cheerleaders were running
up just to talk to me like that, I'd be
looking in the mirror constantly. There is a phrase slash
quote that tells you all you need to know about
Arnie span If I was good looking, I'd just be

(01:11:37):
looking at the mirror and myself that that good Jimmy
G is playing for what team next year? I don't know.
Is that a fair tap out? Right? Now? That is
a tap because I well, first of all, found the Jets.
I do everything I can to get somebody like that.
I can't do it anymore, like I said, but what
I've got there, so I've got to make a move
at him. And by the way, I'm getting that discount right?

(01:11:58):
Is that what he is under next year? What like
that ten million dollar guarantee or something like that or what.
I don't I think you're right. I think you're right.
I think he's got a pretty good deal, pretty cap
friendly deal for next year. So why not? It was
not better than it was earlier a couple of years before.
It's a lot of Jimmy G stuff on Twitter tonight.
Russef is the goat rights And by the way, Arnie

(01:12:20):
doesn't get that either. Jimmy G just might end Cliff
Kingsbury's career tomorrow. There's no way the very mediocre Kingsbury
regime returns next though, So it doesn't. I think Cliff
Kingsbury is in for at least next year unless the

(01:12:40):
bottom falls out. But Arnie, I think the Broncos are
firing Nathaniel Hackett tonight slash tomorrow morning. I don't think
the Broncos can do this anymore. That dude is terrible
as a head coach. And I know, listen two of
the three today though, was he no Kubia quest and
it actually worked out pretty well. I don't know if

(01:13:01):
this is a Russell Wilson problem. I don't know if
this is just the Broncos culture and what's going on there.
And maybe you know, they traded away Bradley chub so
they kind of had to reset their expectations. And if
you watch the game on Fox today, based on what
the analyst was saying, you would think the Broncos were
the greatest thing that's ever stepped foot on a football field.

(01:13:23):
But they're not. And I don't know, Arnie, how in
the world they can go another day with that kind
of commitment to Russell Wilson like they have with this
guy as their head coach. He's I know, this is
terrible in the first season, but I feel like there's
a time when you know, and based on I follow
a lot of Broncos people, somehow it seems like they
feel like they know. And Benjamin Albright even was responded

(01:13:47):
to some fans earlier today, he said he thinks the
clock has taken for Capers to be the interim head
coach and for hack to be gone and went downhill
after it was it the first game, second game when
he didn't go for the first down and lookted to
kick eight yard field goal or something like that. Remember
that eighty yard field goal. I mean, I'm like literal
Chris all the sudden, it's like, what, yeah, it didn't

(01:14:10):
go well, yeah, you're right. That was the opening weekend,
wasn't it. And then oh my gosh, apparently he called
it time out. Like this was the moment where I
was like, Shlaith, you freaking Bronco Homer. Uh Dan, Nathaniel
Hackett calls a random time out on defense, and you
would have thought that this was the greatest decision ever

(01:14:33):
made by someone who had given up play calling. He's like, oh,
yes see, Nathaniel Hackett saw that, and he called a
time out because his nose wasn't in his place. You know,
I'm like, he's on defense. Anyway, what are we talking
about right now? So I I don't know, Arnie, what
the future looks like for the Broncos organization. I just
don't think you can go the rest of the season

(01:14:54):
at three and seven with this guy as your head coach.
Whenever you've been in so many games? What's this that
we uh? Nick right tweeted earlier tonight, give him his
his his shine. If they just scored eighteen points in regulation,
they'd be nine in one right now, nine in one.
The only game they would have lost, The only game
they would have lost was the Week four game to

(01:15:14):
the Raiders. But Russell and I said when Russell Wilson
went there, it's just not going to work out. It really,
isn't it. It maybe not be all his fault, but
it's just not gonna work out in Denver. Uh And,
let's see, do we have time for one more? Let's
hit the rest of the tweets when we come back.
The sagas out, so we'll try to get you caught
up on some of the wild numbers. Plus after week eleven,
we learned this coming up right around the corner on

(01:15:35):
a Fox Football Sunday. We are good, John Ramos, we
are good. It's a good night. As bo Bnson, our
extraordinary producer, has pointed out, Arnie, as we come to
you from the tire rack dot Com Studios. Yes, it
is the first in a while. It is the first
weekend and over a year when both the Sooners and

(01:15:57):
Raiders won in the same weekend. Wow, it's been that
long since you've been in a good mood. October Oklahoma
beat Kansas. October Raiders beat the Eagles. And that's why
we got all those texts of it. My planks in
a bad mood again, fifty seven weeks in a row.

(01:16:19):
I'm like, yeah, here we go again. It happens. It
happens when your NFL team stinks and then your NFL
team gets good and your college team kind of stumbles
down the stretch. It's uh, it's not fun. It's not God.
I do right. Yeah, so many great moments for you. Hey,
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I want to hit a few more tweets. You've been
really good tonight. Um here's one of petsmen on fire,
turn off planks, Mike, he's in denial. The Raiders beat

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the b Broncos who don't know how to win a game,
and it's Derek Carr really going to win games. Yeah,
that's what he just did today. You know, sooner later.
You gotta blow it up, Chris, you really do you know?
I blown it up like seven times the last eleven years.
Shut it. No, they're not blowing it up again. We've
been down this road. Stop it, you know, stop it. Well,

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there's you know, there's a book of unwritten rules in
football as well as baseball. I don't know if you
know that. And one of they've never heard of it. Yeah,
what are the unwritten rules? Also is if you're behind
the Detroit Lions, is late in the season, you gotta
blow it up. And that's the Green Bay Packers you go.
You know, see, I thought you were taking a cheap
shot at the Raiders there, No, I really think the Packer.

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I mean, when you're behind the Lions, you do have
to blow it up, don't you or what? Oh are
you talking? Are you going down the road that I
think you're going down? The one that was Rogers Key's
a couple of weeks ago and then and Rogers playing
kind of well, it's the cap Are you going down
the Jordan's love path? I think they're gonna go ahead,
and you have to. I think this is gonna be

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the last year for for Aaron. I think he's gonna
have to find another place to play next year. Have
you seen his contract? Yeah, it's it's not guaranteed for
next year though. Oh erin aright, Rogers deal. That's right
because it gives the flexibility. Are you sure about that? Yeah?
That didn't the GM say it was a series three?
Are yeah? Three one year contracts? I thought was the

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US We can double check. I'm not a contract expert.
I thought it was a three year extension, and I
thought it was worth like a hundred and fifty million dollars.
I think it's one year at a time is what
they did. But you'll, you'll you'll look that up, as
I know you, I'll look up what you're throwing against
the wats. Okay, well, so what do you do? Then?
Let's let's let's play the hypothetical game. You're not stuck, um,

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you can move on. Are you saying this is his
last year and you gotta move on. Well, if i've him,
I first thing I would do is call Bill and say, hey, Bill,
do you want to win again? Or you want to
be uh second or third place team in the a
f C East, because I come win you another Super Bowl.
So you think the Patriots are place, Look, that's where
I would want to go. They don't have a quarterback?

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Really do they go to the Jets to just got
just got a great defense? I might want to go there. Okay, well,
if if you can find somebody that would be willing
to take on whatever that salary figure looks like. But
I kind of think that he's tied to him for
a while, or maybe he goes to San Francisco because
he's the Bay Area guy. But at what point did

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San Francisco have to finally start seeing whether or not
they have something in Trey Lands when he's healthy. I mean,
Green Bay has kept Jordan's love up there on the
sideline for a while. They didn't give up three first
round picks to go get Jordan loves. So I feel
like we're heading into and I can't believe we're saying
this after Week eleven, another wild off season in quarterback movement.
So when we come back for the final out live

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should be. All right, can we clean up this Aaron
Rodgers contract mass real quick? Well you say I screwed
it up? Yeah, he's not on like a year to
year deal. He's he's hooked with him until six, aren't he.
That's I'll tell you what I read right in front

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of me and says here. The new contract that Rogers
and the Packers sign changes things significantly. The deals officially
viewed as a three year, a hundred fifty million dollar
contract extension, which included a reported incredibly fully guaranteed bass
sarry of sixty point five million three, but the forty
nine point three million is not guaranteed. In right, they've

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got a decision make, but it is Artie. It's a
fully guaranteed contract. Essentially, they've got a decision to make
in four his options. It's his option, fully guaranteed. The
team has no power in this. They've they've given all
the power to Aaron Rodgers. The only thing he doesn't

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have is a no trade clause. If there was an
agreement on restructuring, uh, they could do that, but he's
They don't have any his option for the forty nine
point three million, four, the extension, and the contract structure.
He's owed ninety eight million dollars on the new deal
thirty two mill due next year alone, all fully guaranteed.

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It means that whether he plays, retires, or the packers
want to cut him, every option is really bad for
green Bay because okay, well mine says the forty nine
point three million is not guaranteed. We're what we're what
do you are you looking at? Spoke track called I
called spot I used to call spot rack right now,
say it to me right now. It's probably from uh

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Adam Slefter on Twitter to try to make things feel better.
Here's the problem, though, they can't cut them. I mean,
I mean, they're not gonna cut them, but they put
pressure on him to trade him just like he did
last year. In the last couple of years. There's not
a no trade classe. You could do that, but you
would have to eat a lot of his contract in

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order to do that. And you're looking at I mean,
he's got a dead cap next year of seven mill
and it's twenty four point four mill and four, so
it's not a year to year deal. Uh, And he's
not going anywhere unless the Packers want to start a
rebuild and try to go for it. Are unless Jordan

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Love is amazing as they're making him out to me
because I hear, you know, I hear Colins saying they
should try Jordan's Love out the rest of the year.
I'm like, well, what good? And then what good is
that going to be? If if Aaron Rodgers has to
come back? Then I thought it was a series of
one year contracts. And when Colin was saying that, like
that makes sense, let's see if he could play and
that way, you know, if you want to bring Garon
Rodgers back, And like I just said to that thing

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where it says the forty nine million is not guaranteed.
That's what I understood. So maybe I got that one wrong,
then I'm sorry, I don't that's from June one of two.
I mean, I know that's when the new deal was signed.
But uh, I mean he's he's getting in guaranteed money,
fully guaranteed fifty eight point three million dollars next year,

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right right, Yeah, the forty nine point three isn't guaranteed
in four so that's two off seasons away. I got you, Okay, Yeah,
so I mean you you can look at out in
the future, but for the next two years, he ain't
going anywhere. Um, unless the Packers are willing to eat
a lot of money or just a one year this
is gonna be well. He he still got that option

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to where he's got a no trade clause and it's
aaronteam money. So either he plays through it, or you
find a team where you're not gonna get your two
or three first round picks for him, and you maybe
have to do you gotta take a lesser deal. I mean,
would you be willing to trade a first round pick
for Aaron Rodgers right now? No, But the Packers are

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gonna want that. They're gonna want a couple of Okay, well,
I'm asking you. I don't think I would have given
that type of money for a guy that hasn't thrown
over three hundred yards and how many games. No, I
would have said, no, goodbye, you're you're leaving. Thank you
for your years of service and that one super Bowl
you gave us. I appreciate that, And when we win
several more of will invite you back for old timers Day.
When you win several more with Jordan's Love, who you

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said should quit football the last time that he started,
I wouldn't in a way. I'm not gonna win it
with Jordan's Love. Off to go and get somebody else.
I love this tree of just incredible quarterbacks that are
out there that people I guess can pick from that
can come in and do better for you than what
Aaron Rodgers has done in his career. I'm not sitting
here saying he's terrible, but you're gonna dump all over
one super Bowl. When it was the last time the

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Dolphins went to the Super Bowl? Wow, easy, damn Marino,
he didn't win it. Didn't ask me when they want it?
When was the last time they want it? It's been
a long time. I don't think you. I don't think
you get to sit on that bully pulpit and talk
gas about about what super Bowl you want? Was David
Woodley the quarterback? Was the old L s U quarterback?

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Was he there when the r I p David Woodley?
I believe um? But no, I mean I guess the
point more than anything else is. And that was the
Thursday night game the Titans the Packers. Aren't he taking
his back real late in the week because he's somehow
and almost a trade Aaron Rodgers the Patriots? But did
anything signal just how ridiculous we get week to week
over certain players? Right? Yet? Oh, the Packers beat the Cowboys.

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Told you they were back, was just a matter of time.
Davante Adams little Key's and hell out in Vegas and
Christian Watson is amazing. Then all of a sudden a
week later, it's like they're gonna have to do something
about Aaron Rodgers. What's going on right now in Green Bay?
Because he stinks too. Okay, I'll tell you what the Well,
first of all, it's been a long time, like I
said about him throwing three hundred yard games. Second of all,

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that they are four and seven, So you can't just
go ahead and brush that off. Third of the behind
the Lions. I said this unwritten rule. If you're behind
the Lions, it's late in the season, you've got to
go ahead and blow it up and go ahead and
start fresh from there. Yeah, you just can't go ahead
and keep the team like that. It's embarrassing what has
gone on there. Sure, but how do you blow it
up when you owe a quarterback? Uh, forty eight million dollars?

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Next problem, right, and that's just his roster bonus. He's
got a twenty three option bonus of fifty eight point
three mill guaranteed. And it's four option bonus, which one
place set isn't guaranteed. Spoke track dot com right now
seems to say it is forty seven million injury guaranteed.

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It's signing fully guarantees the fifth day of the four
waiver period, so he gets part of it, and then
there's more of it. It's fully guaranteed on the fifth
at the waiver period. Even if you cut him, then
you're still swallowing a lot of money in dead cap.
So let's say you do all right, Well, there's no gear,
there's he's not guaranteed that bonus in Okay, cool, that's

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still fifty million dollars in dead money you have to
eat because of the deal you gave Aaron Rodgers getting
bogged out on this. So let's move on. I don't
want to fight anymore about Aaron Rodgers. But no way
Jose does. Right, what are the odds that Aaron Rodgers
goes to Detroit to end his career? They need a
quarterback with experience. Thanks, thanks for carrying the show, is

(01:27:34):
what Jose says to you. Ho see, I'm gonna kick
my feet up and not do a damn thing. You arrogant.
Go ahead, you know you're carrying the show tonight. I
was gonna tell you the one prediction I got right.
Remember we're talking about some of the quarterbacks that are
getting old, and you know they're coming up out of retirement. Um,
I'm I think I'm gonna call this one, right, I said,
the first quarterback to retire maybe maybe Matthew Stofford. And now,

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I mean, this guy's getting hit. If they're having a
horrible year, how many more years does this guy want
to get through? What does he have left to prove
he got his he got his Super Bowl. He's going
through what back, back, back to back concussions on consecutive weeks.
His wife was very concerned about the first concussion, and
his wife went through some serious medical problems, serious and

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thank god she's okay. Um, how long do you want
to keep doing this, Chris? After a while, don't you
want to say, Man, we've went through a lot. Maybe
it is time to hang it up, you know, especially
with some of the media opportunities that might be out
there for him. Oh yeah, no, I will say. Um,
they literally have to put his jersey on him for
the Little Caesar's commercials because nobody knows who he is.

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It's like, oh nine, I thank the guy for the Rams.
Here here's the funny part, because let's just get into
this after week eleven. I know this on Fox Sports
Radio with Auntie Spaniel and Chris Plank looking back on
the week that was. I do know that the Rams
are in big trouble. But they can't rebuild why after
them picks? Right? Oh me? The shirt f them picks.

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They've got to do it all through free agency. They've
got to do it all through I don't know, what
do you want to potentially put more future assets at risk.
He I'm a super Bowl though, didn't it That's what
the that's what they say, sure, but what cost? Right?
I mean, this is arguably one of the worst defenses
of a Super Bowl title in the history of ever.
And I do mean ever, what's going on right now?
And Arnie after Week eleven, I hate to write the

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epitaph on a team right now, but by Rams, it
was fun. It's kind of cool to have you guys
being good for a year. Gave Ben mallor something to
talk trash about even more. But uh, you kind of stink.
And now the Cooper Cup is out and you can't
keep Matt Stafford up right. Uh? And and I love
your your offensive line, but it's just it's not jelling.
I'm sorry. It's over. O V E. R. Arnie, it's

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over for the Rams. It was fun, kind of go
through a little three years of hell health these teams
that traded assets to get your picks end up getting
a star quarterback and you either go out and make
the next big splash. Maybe that's where an Aaron Rodgers
ends up. Maybe they make a big push for I
don't know, Jimmy Garoppolo, which would be hilarious if he
ended up in l A. But I mean, I don't

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know what they're gonna do. The Stafford looks d O
in E done. So I'm with you on that after
and I'm spelling everything to what do you what do
you think? How many more years you think that guy's
got left? You know, I don't know. I would say
if this thing continues and he's as beat up as
he seems, he doesn't look to me like a guy

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that magically suddenly is healthy, gets things right, not only
looks good for the rest of this year, but then says, Oh,
I'm refreshed, I'm relaxed, I'm coming back. I mean, it
kind of seems like everyone's Yeah, you ever been around
a friend that partied a little bit too hard? You
might have been that guy. You have names for your
buddy still, what do you call keg? Slimy, sloppy? Right?

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The Rams are like in this ridiculous hangover, You're like, bro,
you gotta get back to work at some point. Congratulations,
but it's time to go. It's like now at Man,
one more night, one more night. It's like it's like
they're the college kid they're freaking Vayan Wilder and they're
just they're still suck stuck on their Super Bowl high.
It's wild to think how bad I think he still

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comes back next year, but um, who knows. I mean,
like I said, his wife was very concerned about those concussions,
and now he has them possibly back to back after
week eleven. I know this, and I said this earlier,
but I just want to reemphasize this. It's not going
to work out with the jetson Zach Wilson. He's seventy
seven yards passing. I I mean, this guy is not
even a legitimate backup quarterback in the NFL. He's horrible. Um,

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they're winning in spite of him, and my god, I
don't even know how they're six and four right now
with that type of offense. They really need to go
ahead and have somebody else back there, you know, calling plays,
and they'd be so much better. They can get so
many veteran quarterbacks out there. But Zach Wilson is just
not gonna hang. He's not gonna cut it, you know.

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After week eleven. I know this history was made today
and no one's gonna talk about it because I feel
like Garnie. One of the more underappreciated versatile weapons in
the National Football League is Cordarrell Patterson. And when he
did this earlier earlier today, Darrell Patterson out of the

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Dson He'll hit here goes CEP thirty five forty Patterson
on his way thirty. He's got the twenty ten five
touchsdown Atlanta, Holy smokes. For the ninth time in his career,
car Daryl Patterson has returned to kick for a touchdown

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and three of them up and nine have come against
the Chicago Bears. So he WHOA. That's a great stat
courtesy of the Falcons Radio Network, he becomes the all
time kickoff for a touchdown return leader. Did I say
that right? Most kickoff returns for a touchdown in his career,

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um topping. Do you know who we've surpassed. It's a
great name for the past. I heard him earlier. I
can't remember Joshua Cribs, right. I heard that Leon Washington
also had a but special teams are somewhat of a
lost start. But Arnie, I know this after Week eleven.
Tip of the cap to Cordero Patterson. I love what

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the Falcons are doing. NFL record for the most kick returns.
I know they're gonna get up probably I hate saying
this about Mariota, but probably more consistent, better, consistently healthy quarterback.
I don't know if it's Desmond rid or going forward
or not, but I like the trajectory of where the
Atlanta Falcons are right now, and I think they're gonna
I think you're gonna make a little play for that
seventh the playoff spot in the NFC before all said

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and done. By the way, is Deshaun Watson coming back
next year? Next week? Is that when his his return
is or was when he's eligible? Man, you gotta bet
against the Browns next week, don't you. They're play in Tampa.
Uh and Tampa's I think a three point favorite? Is
it in Cleveland? You gotta bet against the Browns? Don
Joy or what are you thinking that he's gonna play? Well?

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Why wouldn't he play? I mean, Jacoby Brissette hasn't been
terrible as their starting Quarterback's fantastic? This dude? Well, I mean,
how great was freaking DeShawn Watson? Aren't he? Whenever he played?
Son of a b man? Look at what he did
in the preseason the guy hasn't even been in live
action since week week one of the preseason. You're like, oh,

(01:34:22):
dump all over Jacoby Brissette. You're a staate nerd. You
figured you would love Jacoby Brissetta. I don't care what
your stats are. If I pay you three hundred million dollars,
you're playing my friend. You're only paying him seven hundred. Yeah,
so you're good? Or is this a after week eleven?
I know this. Deshaun Watson is gonna be the starting

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quarterback next week for the Browns. Our producer says he's
back against the Texas Texas. That's right, Well, you can
start fully practicing this week, so our producer, what's our
producer's name, aren'tie? I don't know. How would I know that? Boson?
I just week thirteen, So next week he can practice.
By week thirteen, he'll be back. You see the starting quarterback?

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Oh absolutely, as soon as he's eligible. You put him
right in there and see what he's gone. Absolutely all right?
More of after week eleven, I know this, plus just
starting the post game audio rundown, and before we get
out of here, more of your tweets stinking genius one
him at plank show. This is Fox Sports Radio Arnie
and Plank on the Fox Football Sunday. This is my tunes, man,

(01:35:28):
this is my tunes. There you go. The man could
drive twenty miles to place legal bets shoes not to
but has his tunes. I'll never understand you literally, aren't
he could drive twenty minutes. Oh you so you could
only gamble in Vegas? No, but I'm a Vegas guy.
You know I love going out to Vegas. I understand that.

(01:35:49):
But you know you can bet on your phone? Who
says I know bet? Who says I don't you do?
The best part of betting is going to the sports
book and you know, seeing the people screaming and yelling
and hanging out and all that stuff. I don't want
to be around people. I want to sit on my couch,
drink my free beer and bet from my phone. Come on, Oklahomna,
get your stuff together. Who says I don't bet? You do?

(01:36:11):
You know? I? I will say though, I'm very proud
of you here tonight from the entire rack dot com
studio because I was thinking you're gonna ask Todd this.
I think you want to say to what kind of
odds could I have got on a punt return for
a touchdown to win the game just moments before. I
was kind of surprised that you didn't have some sort
of special teams prop question for Todd on Odds tonight

(01:36:33):
and that Jets game. Yeah that you know, something like
that doesn't pop up. But um, when he was running
that back and I'm like, oh, they're gonna get in
the field goal position, and the next thing, you know,
that whole thing opened up. I'm like, oh my goodness,
he's gonna run this one back and they were going
ballistic on that. I mean, that was just I don't
know if people enjoy a three three game and then
they get the touchdown at the end. It was just

(01:36:54):
killing me because I had that on my other TV
and it was just you never you never expected the
jetsic score. They were just horrible, absolutely horrible. I will
say this, I don't remember ever seen the red zone
go to that game. I watched the red zone early,
I don't remember it once going to the Jets Patriots

(01:37:15):
game all day long. So if that if there was
any better indicator of how terrible things were in that game,
I don't think RED remember a game as boring as
that one. Do you ever remember watching a three three game?
I've watched a lot of Raiders games, aren't you, So
I'm sure? Well what I'm what am I saying? Their
defense couldn't stop anyone? I don't know that I have

(01:37:37):
that would involve weather the way when that comes to mind,
I think it was like a playoff game between the
Rams and Tampa where it was like a nine six
game or something like that. It was like all field goals.
I don't know if I've seen one, especially in this
modern era of the NFL and the high powered, high
octane offenses, where two offenses looked more inept than both

(01:37:59):
of those did today, makes no sense, right if you
look at um uh mac Jones is like numbers. I
know they're good, They're very good. I mean he was
like twenty three twenty seven. I think that's impossible. To
go twenty three and twenty seven and only put up
three points on the board. That just impossible. I don't
know how you could do something like that three twenty

(01:38:21):
seven with no interceptions. Yeah, but no, now you can say, okay,
but he had like three interceptions. It could cost three drives. No,
nothing like that. I mean, my God, where did all
those yards? How? What a way you get penalties? I
don't know what. He got sacks six times, and you
mentioned penalties, so I had a dig six sacks, six penalties,

(01:38:44):
So I mean, oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Eight penalties
for the Patriots today only two are three for the
Jets all day long, three five yard penalties and that
was it? How about that? I tend to three games
so real quick before we hit the whole week and
kind of give a quick thought on each game. And
Artie's picks are coming up, and Kevin's got one more update.

(01:39:04):
Let's hit a few tweets because they're pretty good. Darryl
rights man, he was, he was all over is for
this a little bit earlier in the show. Um, but
Darryl writes on Twitter, how the hell did Jerry Rice
always end up wide open? Seemingly every time he was great?
Kelsey is great, The great ones get wide open, especially
in the clutch. He says, It's not hard to figure out.

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One thing about Jerry Rice is one he had speed again,
kind of like what I bring up about Tyreek Hill.
When you have speed, you know it's gonna be hard
to guardian no matter what is out there, and he
ran phenomenal routes. Kelsey, that guy just I'm gonna tell
you what he's gonna do. Now, he's gonna run down
the field and he's gonna turn in a little bit.
My god, get in front of us from crying out.
And he's not as fast as the Jerry Riser or

(01:39:49):
Tyreek Hill. He's just so big and physical. I I
just don't know how he gets separation from the corners.
It's crazy because corner's got to cover your receivers. You're
a athletic safety is in charge of it. And hello
mismatch and he did it tonight. Uh and Daryl followed
it up with this, and I'll read it. I can
take my bullet, I can take your bullets. After week eleven,

(01:40:10):
I know this Baker is absolutely horrendous and Plank will
never tell the truth about him. So I'll finally move
on from that and say that this is Daniel Jones
last year in New York. He is awful. Table with
the quarterback is going to be scary. Why do you
where do you find out, Darryl that that quarterback table
goes and gets his Baker Mayfield. That's gonna be the

(01:40:36):
funny part in all of this. Oh yeah, Baker hasn't
played well in Carolina, But uh, I'm still more perplexed
by what happened with the Giants today. From Darryl's point,
what was that? Was it just they caught the Lions
at the wrong time. Hasn't been a bit of a
facade at seven and two with what they're doing. I mean,
that was just a thorough domination. We never thought they

(01:40:57):
were dominating. Yeah, they had some good victories and some
good from behind victories. Um, but I didn't expect this.
But they did catch the Lions in a bad time.
There's there's no doubt about that. And maybe they are
a tad bit overrated again, dead there don't put up
good numbers, but he didn't put anything up until we
got to the fourth quarter. It's just that the Lions
were just so overwhelming. I haven't seen the Lions dominate

(01:41:18):
anybody in like the last decade. I guess it's the
first time. It's it's amazing they were able to do
that to the Giants. What's their their best win this year?
And opening week they went on the road and beat
the Titans, but that was then beat Baltimore. But those
are the only two wins they have this year over
teams with a winning record. So I mean, I don't
get me wrong, every Giants fan out there would take

(01:41:39):
seven and three through ten games this season. But has
Daniel Jones done enough to say, all right, didn't pick
up that fifth year offense option for him, but we
want to keep him around? I don't. I don't know.
It's so funny because when you look at the NFC,
especially the East, people say we even started to show
with us that we think that Philadelphia may be overrated.

(01:42:00):
Will think that the Cowboys overrated. Well maybe they were
over it against Green Baby, not overrated against Minnesota. And
you know, certainly, um, you know you could say that
people will wrong about that whole division about being overrated.
Josh writes, I know this. I'm not a Skins fan.
Oh buddy, listen. I don't know if you caught this
or not, but they're now the commanders and Arnie's worried

(01:42:22):
that if you use the old nickname you'll get canceled.
But Josh rites, everyone was calling for Ron Rivera's job,
and now if they make the playoffs, I think he
should be considered for Coach of the Year. Wow, that's
going from zero to hero real quick. Let's add into it, Arnie,
everything that's going on around that franchise right now, right

(01:42:42):
it is, it was, it was, It is a mess.
And all the Commanders are doing making a quick little
quarterback change and winning games. Yeah they are. And a
matter of fact, I think they're what one game behind
the last come against San Francisco. Um, I don't know
what they'll do against the Giants. Don't putty of games
left though, so it's not like ye have, you know,
start crunching the numbers. Now, still plenty of time to

(01:43:03):
sort this thing out, all right. Well, each game got
a little sound, got a little audio to share from
the locker room, and also Arnie's picks are run around
the corner. But as we come to you tonight from
the tire rack dot Com studios, Kevin Wyrett has been
awesome filling it for Steve to Sager. He's got one
final update, take it away, Steve, Thank you guys. Sunday
Night Football thirty to twenty seven. The Chiefs beat the

(01:43:25):
Chargers after Travis Kelsey received a seventeen yard touchdown reception
from Patrick Mahomes with about thirty seconds to go. The
win puts Kansas City a full three games ahead of
the Chargers for first place in the a f C West.
The Cowboys absolutely obliterate the Vikings four to three. The
Vikings are the first eight and two team to have
a negative point differential, and it is the worst loss

(01:43:47):
by a home team thirty seven points, the worst loss
by a home team since nineteen sixty three. Rough day
at the office for the Vikings. Bills make it through
the snow to go to Detroit and beat the Cleveland
Browns at their temporary home thirty one twenty three. Buffalo
is now seven and three. Eagles escape against the cold
seventeen sixteen. Jalen Hurts had a seven yard touchdown run

(01:44:07):
with all over three minutes to go. That was part
of his eighty six yards and a touchdown on the
ground for the day as Philadelphia moves to a league
best nine and one lines win an upset win over
the Giants eighteen behind three touchdowns from Jamal Williams, Saints
beat the Rams twenty seven. Twenty Ravens grind went out
against the Panthers thirteen to three. Commanders over the Texans

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Patriots making fourteen wins in a row against the Jets,
a ten three win over New York Bengals, top the
Steelers thirty seven, thirty Falcons edge out the Bears twenty four,
and the Raiders were a twenty two to sixteen over
time win over the Broncos. That was all the action
for week eleven. Guys. Back to you, well done, Kevin. Sorry,
I mean literally Steve has done updates Forez like I

(01:44:52):
actually said, Steve, Kevin ken So I mean I don't
think we are ranking there anywhere. This is Arenie in
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What's all this? Henry Winkler I met my idol today,
Patrick Mahomes, What what is all this? Did you see

(01:45:36):
matter what? Well? Have you seen the movie water Boy? Yes?
I have. Yeah, Henry Winkler was that he was the
coach and water Boy. I think what coach Klein? If
I'm not mistaken, So Henry Winkler was at the game tonight,
and I think that that's what Mahomes is talking about it.
I think I'm assuming here. I've I've been focused on
the show. Aren't you not playing on Twitter all night long?

(01:46:00):
But I saw a Winkler our buddy Rob Collins from
the Kansas City Chiefs station, and are the Casey sports affiliate?
In what am I trying to say? He's a sports
anchor in Kansas City. He was at the game. I
got there and he was a posting pictures with Henry Winkler.
So I think it was just at the game. And
Henry was at my house one time, okay, what yeah,

(01:46:22):
he was. I was babysitting his kid. So Henry Winkler
the fawns and he chose up at my house and
it's so funny. I go, well, I would hate house
if your baby sitting his kids? Right? And I was
giving him grief to and he's like, uh, can I
have Jed Boise When he says, can I have? What?

(01:46:44):
Were you running? Like a daycare or something there? Or
while No, he was with my brother, my younger brother,
so they were they were on the same team together,
So you baby sat, I would I would think ink
that maybe that's something you would have bragged about more often.

(01:47:05):
Deal well, I mean it's the Fallons for goodness sake,
So I would think so is that a name though
that's lost on a whole generation? Are there people right
now they're like, what in the hell are you talking about?
No idea what we're talking about? They're like, in other words,
they're like, wait, are you talking about Coach Klein in
his playbook that was stolen for him by coach red Below.

(01:47:26):
He stolen his playbook from him? And I think that's
what that's all about. All right, let's roll through some
of these games today, just get some quick thoughts. Maybe
a few of them we haven't spent a lot of
time on. And I'm sure you've got these three Thursday
games in your NFL picks. But we both came away
a little bit concerned today about the Buffalo Bills. They

(01:47:47):
beat the Browns three, but in a weird game that
got moved to Detroit and they could barely get out
of Buffalo. Still learning, Bills have looked somewhat mediocre the
last three weeks. They a look pedestrian. Um, you wonder
what's going on there now. I kind of have a feeling,
and we knew this before the game that, Um, you

(01:48:08):
know that Josh Allen is not a hundred percent. I
don't know if that had anything to do with it.
You know, obviously I'm not a doctor, but I think
something's ailing him, um a lot more than they're letting
us on. And that's what's holding him back a little bit.
You know, we easily could have folded and allowed it
to be an excuse for us. UM. But again, trusting
the guys that we have in this locker room that
are true professionals that do things the right way. Um,

(01:48:30):
We're just trying to try to win a football game.
That's our our mindset, our goal every time we step
out in the field. You know, unfortunately got it done. Today.
It's Josh Allen post game for the Bills. Chris. You
know what, I'll be serious on this. Maybe you'll do
the homeworkers. I don't think anybody really picked up on
this because I'm not gonna do it. Um, how many
times did they run compared to throw when they got

(01:48:50):
inside the red zone? Usually Buffalo likes the throw esupposedly
with the running back situation. They didn't do that this time.
I noticed they ran a lot, a lot when they
got into the red zone. I wonder if that has
anything to do with the Josh Allen interceptions that has
happened over the last couple of weeks, or anything to
do with injuries. But you know, maybe I was wrong

(01:49:10):
about the numbers, but it seems like they ran a
lot when they got in the red zone. So I
just pulled up to play by play here real quick,
let's just use their last drive, right, they get to
the Cleveland seventeen run for a loss run sack and
they were only throwing it on third nine. Maybe you're
onto something here, Arnie. I'm not gonna do that work.

(01:49:32):
You'll forget about that right next week. Wait are you
with me tomorrow night? No? Okay, we're good, and we
opened the show and we've given you almost an hour
and forty five minute reprieve. Here are two hours and
forty five minute reprieve here Eagles fans, But I'm just
got a break today. Took advantage of it, right, But

(01:49:54):
you're needing fourteen fourth quarter points to come back and
be the team that's coached by an ESPN analyst. Come on,
what do we do? What do we do? What do
you keep saying that? I want to know what? Because
that's what he is. He's a former center. Was a
really good problem. You know, honestly, I have no problem
with it in him getting the job, But at the

(01:50:14):
core of it, what was he doing to start the season,
the same thing we're doing talking on radio? He had
a fantasy team. I mean, that's what he is. He's
ESPN analyst Jeff Saturday. Did you know he was a
high school coach before he got hired? No, but sir,
I'll tell you I did though. Um, but regardless, he's

(01:50:35):
just you. And it's an offensive coordinator who literally is
calling plays for the second time in his career in
a in an NFL game, and he's able to do this. Well,
it proves my point, Chris, when I always tell you
coordinators don't mean anything. Now we find out, don't You
don't didn't have any experience to be a head coach,

(01:50:56):
so well, what god experience you need to be a coordinator.
You know, you need a break two from the officials,
right and get that bad face mask call. That hurt
them m But as you might imagine for for Jalen Hurds,
for the Philadelphia Eagles, they're not panicking too much, and
in fact, their head coach, Nick Sirianni was kind of
a homecoming of sorts for him. So it was it
was pretty emotional. I'm emotional because I love Frank Reig,

(01:51:20):
I really do, and he's, uh, he's one of the
best damn football coaches I ever been around. So I
was hoping that that him and I will be able
to coach against each other. He's might one of my
biggest mentors. I got my dad, I got Larry Harris,
and I got Frank Reich. And yeah, you don't want
to know what I think. Uh, if you should be
here or not? How could they miss that face mask call?
I am I'm watching that as a terrible missed call. Anyway, Uh,

(01:51:42):
Colts lose. They followed the four six and one Eagles
win nine and one. We've spent a lot of time
in the Patriots and Jets game already under the radar,
though not many talks today about the Peter King's pick
to be the number one seed in the NFC home
field advantage throughout. The Saints finally get back launch Act
there four and seven. Lookout prediction is still alive, and

(01:52:03):
they beat a really bad Rams team today. They did,
and you know, Stafford went down, so you know there
was gonna be a problem there that the Rams were
with double They were uh, thirteen points down or fourteen
points down at that point, they were gonna rally. It
was gonna fall short anyway. It's good win by the Saints.
I still don't think they saved their season or or
anything like that. I still think it's over, but um yeah,

(01:52:24):
and there was at least a good win by them
to get that. And isn't it wild? Last week we
sat here. If Bobo were still running this show, he
would have probably lost his mind, might have cut off
your mic a few times. But we buried the cowboys.
We buried Bobo's cowboys last week, and like the Undertaker,
their hand poked through the dirt and they come alive

(01:52:46):
and they dominate the Vikings today. So which which teams
the real Cowboys? In your mind, Arnie, is it the
team that couldn't get out of its own way last
week in Lambeau? Or is it that team tonight that
improved to seven and three and destroyed Minnesota in Minnesota
forty three? Which one is the real Cowboys? It's got
to be the one tonight, doesn't it? I mean, what
the what the what they did tonight was just so

(01:53:07):
in president and dark. Prescott actually look like a quarterback
worth all the money that they're paying them. And then
it seemed like they act you have real threads out
there at the running back situation. Um, I just loved everything.
When I saw that defense was phenomenal. I think that's
got to be the real Cowboys. Now, they're not gonna
play like this every week, but um, you know, when
they get to the playoffs, who knows what's gonna happen

(01:53:29):
when you know once they get going, and who knows
if they don't make a run at this thing. Seven
days ago in that locker room, we talked about, Hey,
this this game will help us in a lot run
if if we let it and just learn from it.
And I think it's clearly it was part of our
lesson anything from the final score that's Mike McCarthy, Cowboys
forty Viking Street. Of course we'll all be in our
uh well, you don't like turkey, but we'll be in

(01:53:50):
our food coma for the Giants and the Cowboys on Thursday,
four thirty Eastern on Fox Stuff. Anything from the Bengals
Steelers game to take away outside of Cincinnati getting a win,
Steelers continue to I don't I don't know how to
describe how they look. There's moments where I think, Okay,
Kenny Pickets looking pretty good. But then there's also moments

(01:54:11):
where I'm like, they might be in a they might
be in a battle for c J. Stroud or Bryce
Young or maybe even Will Levis. Right now, with the
way things are going for them, yeah, I'm gonna be
looking for another quarterback. Not that um, he hasn't done well,
he's done average, but I just yeah, I just don't
think that, you know, he's the quarterback of the future
you mentioned earlier. Cincinnati saved their season with a win. Absolutely,

(01:54:33):
they could have dropped the five and five. And look
how many teams are seven and three there in six
and um five or six and four there's there's a
lot of good teams on top of that, AMC would
have been real tough for the Bengals. Good climbing out
of that. According to a note the season, m v
p ods are out well the updated excuse me, m
V p ods are out currently. The second choice Jalen

(01:54:56):
Hurt said plus six hundred. Josh Allen is the third,
said plus six fifty, but his numbers are exactly the
same as the fourth choice to a talk about law
at plus six fifty. And I tell you too of them.
Remember I could have gotten him in like a hundred,
the one to be the m v P at the
beginning of the year. Remember I wanted to say that. Look, man,
I'm losing that on a lot of dult hanging out

(01:55:18):
with you. Again, he's still tied for the third choice.
The top choices, Patrick mahomes a minus one sixty. So yeah,
I I don't think i'd be running to the window
to cash your better pat yourself on the back too
much yet, Arnie, because it's still not right. That's my quarterback,
Lamar Jackson plus all right when we come back, Arnie's
picks take us home. On another edition of Barnie and

(01:55:39):
Plank on a Fox Football Sunday. All right, fun show tonight,
Good Avramos back in the mix. Always great stuff with
Bo Benson, the updates a night. Great job by Kevin
Wire and the millions and millions of editors and producers
behind the scenes who help make this show possible. Thank you.

(01:56:02):
So we come to you live from the tire rack
dot Com studios. One final segment. Listen, I I've waited
around all night for this, Arnie. I know we're short
on time. Yes, so let's go. Everyone came for your picks,
Let's get your picks. Let's go. Arounmost put me in
the mood, give me a little music. Of course, we're
gonna go with the NFL will start with the Thursday games.
And that's really I gave you all the games on Thursday.

(01:56:24):
But that's what people love on Thanksgiving. Love the Lions
plus the nine and a half against the Bills. A
matter of fact, don't want the nine and a half,
don't need the nine f I'll take then nine and
a half. I think the Lions actually beat the Bills outright,
but take the points in that one. I'm gonna jumped
back on the Giants fand Wagon one more time. I'll
take the eight on the road against Dallas. Dallas can't

(01:56:45):
do that again, can't they? And give me the Vikings
minus three against the Patriots. I love that. That's like
my pick of the year. Patriots are just gonna wilt
law of the Vikings minus three. Um other games, Let's
go to the college football, like Michigan plus the seven
Navigans Ohio State in that one too many points. Give
me South Carolina plus the fourteen and a half against Clemson.

(01:57:08):
I'll take Auburn lane twenty one in a excuse me, Alabama,
Ley and twenty one and Navigans Auburn and give me
USC minus the five and a half against don't tre Dame.
And come on, mate, let's talk a little soccer. Give
me the USA two to one over Wales as they
win their opening game. So there you have my picks,
two of them. Please no longer strictly for entertainment purposes only,

(01:57:32):
so soccer expert now in the bio. Oh absolutely, so
you're you're not. You're going with Whales all one in
five the right like ninet, the right nineteenth or not.
We're here's my point. This is a football show, right,
what you can sider even in the off season. I
consider us a football show draftings of that nature. You

(01:57:57):
have Ohio State, Michigan. You've got U C. L. R
USC and Notre Dame next week, and you got Auburn Alabama. Um,
you got all these great games, and yet you wanna
pick soccer match. I picked all those games. I have
to pick the soccer match. It's tomorrow two o'clock. Mate, Well,
who did you take in Olive State in Michigan? I

(01:58:17):
slept through that. I took Michigan plus seven and a
half against Ohio State. You know Blake Kreum's out right
the running back. Yeah, that's okay. I'm taking the points
too many notes, By the way, I need to clarify.
You know he's they're really good running back, right. Bernie
texted me that earlier in the day too, So right,
because we know you don't know that Blake Coreum is
there really good right, We're trying to help you here.

(01:58:38):
Seven and a half too many points. It's just like
that time where you try to tell me that Oregon
was gonna be Georgia and I was like, no, Oregon
is not gonna be Georgia. R Us still are you picking?
Are you ragging on my picks here? Yes, they're terrible
seven last week? So what you ragged about being six
in the preseason? Are you good? Had one bad week?

(01:59:01):
I mean, come on now, so three and seven is
a good week. So you're saying the Raiders are good?
I was pretty well you just said. You're just sitting
here defending your terrible pass. Can't believe you didn't pick
the Arizona game. That makes me upset. Um the thirty
seven point lost by the Vikings their second largest home

(01:59:22):
loss in franchise history. Today and oh, by the way,
Davante Adams game one or sixth player in NFL history
with six or more seasons with at least ten TV catches.
The Raiders are back, baby, They're going to the playoffs,
all right, Arnie, I'll see a Wednesday night, we're sitting
for Jason Smith. I'm back tomorrow night with Mike Carmen.

(01:59:44):
Have a great week,

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