Chris Plank & Arnie Spanier React To The Rams Steamrolling the Bucs On SNF, React To The Raiders Hitting Yet Another Low As An Organization, College Football Reactions, And More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Now, let's go Stick
and Geniu.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Let's go, big boy, let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
What a week for you?

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's go. What what was it.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Like to go to an actual sporting event.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
And not only to go to a sporting event, my
Arizona Wildcats. When saw them on the road, it was
a blast, Chris, I gotta tell you it was. It
was absolutely just a blast. Well with two of my
fraternity brothers. Uh Yo Bob and Resin.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
And do they still go buy those names?

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
In their regular walk of life. They're Yo Bob and Resin.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yo Bob Resin, Thumper Keg.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
So what was your name? The sounds like your obscure
movie comedy guys.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah, it was. It was so much fun, I gotta
tell you it was. We went over to the campus,
had something neat beforehand, and I gotta tell you, the
kids just don't party like they used to, Chris. They
just you know, we were talking to about these twelve
to fifteen young co eds. No guys came up to

(01:17):
hit on them at all for like the hour we
were talking to them.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
We're kind of in a little.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Bit of a different world now too.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I mean that's not necessarily the way that the kids
go about it anymore. They meet on social media sites.
They know each other probably before they go out. Chris,
that age and era that you lived in that I
lived in doesn't really exist anymore, not even to go
up and say, hey, girls, how you do it? Yeah,
that's kind of crazy. I think, Actually I'm not in

(01:44):
that world. I guess I can. Mary, You're probably the
closest one too. At Patrick, Ugh, I don't really know
if that's as common as it was back in the day.
And they probably saw these strapping young lads that were
already talking to these females, so they thought they had
no shot at all with who was in keg and Resin.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
And you know, it was just it was just resident
your sorry, your brother's brother, Yo, Tom couldn't couldn't come,
but they took pictures for us. They asked me if
I was if they were my dad. I'm like no, no, no,
we all went to school together, so we're all there
all this.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
What do you like?

Speaker 2 (02:18):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I would have taken dad as a as a badge.
I would have borne that You're lucky. Probably didn't think
you were their grandpa. Or something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
It was a good game. Though I was watching, I
was looking for you.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I couldn't find you amongst the It's weird to watch
college basketball to me in November because I'm so in
football right now, in college football and this, and I've
gone I went to Spokane to see Oklahoma and Gonzaga
two weeks ago. It's almost as if college basketball isn't
going on. And I watched that game. It's almost like
the NBA isn't going on either. But you watch that

(02:54):
game and it's crazy. It was, and it sold out
and there's people's I mean, it's just Luna, and then
you realize, oh, yeah, that's right. There's some places are
a little crazy about college basketball than they're about college football.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
Right they play there, They play their big games on
a neutral site or a little bit, I mean off campus.
This one was on campus and it was rocket. I
mean when they came back, we were up by thirteen,
when they came back to take the lead. I don't
know if I ever heard of plays as loud it,
I wasn't. I was shocked. I'm like, whoa, it got

(03:27):
real loud in there. It was just it was a
lot of fun. The fans were really cool.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I got into it with a few fans out of
a few uh you know, you know it was great.
About two hour an hour, about an hour before game time,
an hour and a half, we found out their best
player wasn't going to play. Yeah yeah, but they didn't
The fans didn't know it, and I got to break
the news to them. I was having so much fun
with that. I'm like, oh, it is you should have

(03:54):
seen their faces. They wanted to punch me in the
face there. They're like, oh, you're full of crap. I'm like, oh,
here there.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
You know what this slike? Drive is for you when
you go to a sporting event to want to get
punched in the face or start a fight.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I wanted to break the bad news to them. So
that was a lot of fun and I was actually
I got a I got a good kick out of that.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's you.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
That's your There's a.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Guy that does a company that calls Bob breaks bad
news and you can call him up and pay him
my twenty bucks and he makes brad news to people.
I should start doing that. That'd be right up my alley.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
But that sounds like something, Actually, are you sure it's Brad,
is it now John breaks bad news?

Speaker 2 (04:33):
I don't know, it's something like that. Somebody's I mean,
let facts get in the way of a story.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
I can.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
But you know, the fans were cool. Great game, they
took the lead, we blew a thirteen port lead, but
it was good to come out with the victory. I
know it's pretty much meaningless this type of year, but
it was just it's good to see these teams play
each other though, and have some excitement if it. You know,
everybody's gonna go to the tournament anyway, so whine out,

(05:00):
schedule more games like this and give the fans a
lot of excitement.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
So that was listening.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
That was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Listen, Sean, if you want to send your crappy tweets
because we talk about college football, your boy stinking genius
says ten minutes talking about a college basketball game. So
leave me alone. Hey, let's talk about the breaking news.
First of all, Sunday night football has become very lopsided.
The Rams are rolling the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. In fact,
no Baker Baker got hurt in this game thirty four

(05:27):
to seven. Teddy Bridgewaters bit and it took me a
couple of series I was watching with the soundown. I'm like,
who is ten? Well, who is that? Because you're making
plays running all over the place.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
But that's not the guy from the TV commercial. That's
the backup quarterback that comes in. And yes, yeah, that's
who it is.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's not Jack Powers or whomever.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Right.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Two seventy three three touchdowns tonight from Matt Stafford. He's
been outstanding rams about to improve to nine and two
on the season, but as the only person who sat
and watched every stupid snap of the Browns Raiders game today,
which was by far the most embarrassing performance in the
history of Raiders football.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
I'm not close to getting fired for being a Raider film.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Not Las Vegas. Okay, that bit's getting old. Not Las
Vegas Raider, not Oakland Raider, not Los Angeles, not Oakland
like Raiders history. Today was embarrassed. Shador Sanders is not
very good. I mean, he looked fine today. I give
to be honest with you, did you watch every snap?

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Not every snap?

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Okay, I give him a C minus watching every snap?

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Why would I punish myself? Why would I watch everything?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Okay, so you're great, but see. That's my point is
I'd give him a beat B plus. You didn't watch
every snap You're great, doesn't mean a damn thing. You
watch the highlight you watched. You watch the one throw
when he's rolling out he threw to it.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Guy, what I saw one hundred times, trust.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
And you're gonna see it a thousand times off shit
door defenders. But he had it at least hold on
a second, hold on just one second. He had at
least four passes that should have been picked at least four,
and the Raiders did not do anything anything created to
try to put pressure on him. So you watch your
highlights and give him his B plus. I watched the
whole game, and I'm like, Okay, let Cleveland have their

(07:07):
hope right now. That was more about how ridiculously bad
the Raiders are in than Shador Sanders.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Not you're around on your parade, just dropping facts.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
I never thought they were the Raiders would lose that game.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
I thought they I did. No.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I said, look, it's one thing though.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
You obviously haven't paid attention this year.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah, but they're playing in a home rookie quarterback hasn't
been done since What did they say? Eric Zaire. Is
that that that's right Georgia quarterback. I believe I think
it was.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
He's the analyst on the Georgia radio network industry after
this season, So I.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Mean, I I just didn't think he was gonna I
thought he was gonna have a horrible game. But like
I said, some of the stuff I saw it looked good.
I just can't believe they held you guys to ten points.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Oh, I can stop saying that you haven't watched this
as a show. I can't believe they haven't seen it.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
Because you're not watching it.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You have no idea how terrible this.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
No, it's not that. It's not about the personnel. I'm
just kind of surprised. And I know he's new to
the team, so I shouldn't really hold him responsible. But
you know tom Brady, you know he's gonna finally say, hey,
my name's on this thing. And I can't have pulled.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
Tom Brady into this. For who cares about Tom Brady.
I won a serviceable offense.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
You're not gonna who You're gonna blame Davis, you know
you're gonna blame something. I'm gonna blame the owner. You're
gonna have to redo everything now with Yeah, I don't
care who cares about Hey?

Speaker 3 (08:33):
Should it? Just keep listen?

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Arnie doesn't want to change anything because we're gonna have
to redo everything from this embarrassment of a two to
nine franchise right now that has been blown out by
crappy teams like the Browns got destroyed, got destroyed by
the Commanders, the Charger stink now got destroyed by them
in week two. This is an absolute embarrassment, Arnie. So

(08:55):
you could see him like, oh, I don't know why
you would make changes. You're a crazy person. I didn't
say why you would. Where would you start though?

Speaker 2 (09:03):
With the coach, with a quarterback, offensive coordinator everywhere?

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah? It at all? Yeah, No, it was embarrassing. And
every single Raiders fan that has lived this pain for
the better part of the last twenty years is embarrassed,
and they should be. We're bad. It's so bad. We're better, Like, hey,
you know, Derek Carr wasn't so bad everyone that clowned

(09:27):
on him for years and years and years. Look this
Gino Smith is flipping off the fans as he leaves
the field. You'll owe a major apology to that guy
that was holding up the sign whenever they played Seattle
in the exhibition game. I mean, the dude that said
he was a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russell. That guy
was right. But again, like where do you start? And
the offensive line can't protect they gave up ten sacks

(09:49):
to day. They can't run the football because when Jenti
gets the ball he's destroyed, can't throw the football because
Gino's spooked in the pocket, can't do anything. It's just
you gotta start some So just firing an overpaid offensive coordinator,
I guess is where you go.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
You know what's crazy about this whole thing. The Raiders.
Two teams that used to be historically just great teams.
I mean, year in and year out one with the Raiders,
and you know, and look what they've become now. I mean,
kids nowadays have no idea what the Raider War used
to be alike, you know what I mean, And you

(10:25):
know what their mystique used to be, and how great
of a franchise it used to be. And it's funny
if you look at another sport, you got the same
thing right there in your neck of the woods. The
Oakland A's or whatever you want to call them. Now
remember what a historic franchise Jay used to be and
look what they're now. There's a lot of historic franchises
in sports that have just crumbled in front of us,

(10:47):
and the Raiders are one of them.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
They're they're not even close. Yeah, used to be under
Al Davis, not even close. Well, they were pretty bad
under Al Davis late the late years. Yeah, in fact
after since the Raiders went to the Super Bowl in
two thousand and two. So you mind that quick math
tells me that is what twenty three years ago? All right,

(11:11):
do you know how many winning seasons they've had in
those twenty three years?

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Winning season. I'm only talk about playoff wins. I'm not
even talking about going to the playoffs. I was just
over five hundred two. Oh jeez, they've had two. It's
like they went in. Yes, it is in twenty sixteen,
the year that Derek Carr broke his leg right before
the playoffs with Jack del Rio. Second year, they went
twelve and four and lost in the playoffs of the Texans.
Twenty twenty one, they went ten and seven. That was

(11:35):
the year of Henry Ruggs accident. When John Gruden got fired.
They Rich Bassachia came in and did a good job.
Derek Carr played nails down the stretch. They finished ten
and seven. Outside of that, not a zippo zilch. And
it sucks because they're only kind of like mediocre bat
theres in eight and eight, eight and eight, like seven
and nine in there, so it's not even where you're

(11:57):
bad enough that you get the top pick. And the
one time you got the top pick, the biggest bust
on the planet went number one overall JaMarcus Russell. So
I don't know, man, I don't know what the fix is.
I feel like Mark Davis needs to sell the team.
I just feels he's in over his head. He made
his money. His dad would be so embarrassed right now.
I mean so embarrassed if he saw the state of

(12:19):
this franchise and the fact that this dude keeps holding
on and making bad decision after bad decision. Sell the
freaking team seems like a good dude. No, he's not
going to sell it out of those cold dead hands.
He needs to though. He's a clown. He's an absolute clown,
and that's the unfortunate reality of what's happened to this franchise.
I would go to the mattresses for that dude for

(12:40):
the better part of the last five or six years, Like, hey,
he loves a team.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
He loves a team more than I do. He's financially invested.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
But now it's like he's more interested in being the
star of the WNBA than going out there and grinding
and putting a winning front office and team together.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's just an embarrassment war.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Do you even look for a quarterback? Where do you start?
I mean, I obviously, I mean the draft. Yeah, I
mean that Vandy quarterback.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
I don't know that Diego Pobby's like thirty years old.
I don't want Diego Pavia. If I'm looking at the draft,
I want franc Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
I want Dante More, I want Ty Simpson. You know what,
that Hart.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
Timanny that I saw against Arkansas pretty good too about Arkansas.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
About Arkansas's defense stinks.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I want I want anyone outside of that dude that
wears number seven, that trots out there for them. How
bad is Kenny Pickens? That's what I want to know.
He has got to be the worst quarterback in the NFL. Arnie,
because Kenny Pickens can't get on the field with this
disaster that's taking place at quarterback for the Raiders right now.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
You don't want to know what do you think that
he would have gotten the chance just by accident?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
He must suck. I mean, I have no idea, I
have no clue.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
It's got to be frustrating. There's no I know what
you're going to do. Because I'm a dolphin van so I've
gone through it a long time. No, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
You don't know what.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
I'm going through it. Because if the Dolphins win a game,
you're like.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
Hey, here we go, look at us, We're going to
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I'm out that we're four and seven.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
You're like a You're like a golden retriever. I just
shine a little flashy light. You're like, oh, won a game,
we won the first half. We're still a good team. Terrible, terrible.
It's just absolutely positively a disaster. And I guess the
best news about it all is it's almost over. We've
only got to deal with this for five more games

(14:30):
or what is it now? Six more games? Oh my gosh, man,
I'm the more I'm that'll watch that game next week
and think, oh, look at this Chip Kelly being gone
will make all the difference. No, they can't block anyone.
They can't even when they get a guy open. They
can't catch the football, can't run the football, even though
they've gotten maybe the most aggressive back in the league
right now, at least among them as far as power runners.
It's just a it's an embarrassment, and you know, so bad.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
And I talked about what a great franchise used to
be a long time ago. You know what it is
also bad about it. You look at your bad quarterback
situation coming from a franchise that had some like Hall
of Fame quarterbacks back in the day, you know, like
George Bland or you know somebody that, uh.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
I can help you out here if you want the
kindy stand.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
As to what I was thinking about Ken's dable, I know, yeah,
Jeff Hotsteller there.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
For a while, but I don't think he's quite a
Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
But no, but just big name quarterbacks compared to the
last Wilson. Mark Wilson was not a bad quarterback for you?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Was he not?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Or what he was?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
You gotta make me cuss on the air.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Mark Wilson was terrible, man, He was awful, But they
were better off, and they would bring him back out
of he'd be better than Geno Smith. That was Jim Plunking.
I'm sure he's gotting great. Can he still sling it?
Come on, Jim, get back in here.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
You know, was the quarterback for you that was good?
Was my old high school quarterback? You know that one was.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know that I would consider Jay Strader good,
but again, it was better than what they have right now.
The bottom line. The bottom line is this, Chip Kelly
is out. It's not gonna make any difference. In twenty
twenty five, we'll see what it does. I wonder if
this maybe gives Pete Carroll another year. He's fired their
special teams coordinator and their offensive coordinator now in the

(16:15):
span of like three or four weeks.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
So I don't know that helps anything.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Well with the breaking news now, aside in the Vegas
embarrassment against Cleveland, what really jumped out at you today?
Pretty good comebacks by the Chiefs and the Cowboys. I
guess you could say save their seasons.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
Never would have thought that the Cowboys were gonna come
back down twenty one. Nothing. We could do a whole
show today, Chris just reading cold freezing takes or whatever
it is. You should have seen the tweets from Cowboy fans,
you know, when it was twenty one nothing. They're absolutely hysterical.
I saw a few of them, but I bettered there's

(16:50):
a lot more that's gonna be released as the next
couple of days go by.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Yeah. I gotta be honest with you. I found myself
almost buying in. People were tweeting at us already with
the Chiefs, and I'm like, ah, I don't know, guys,
I've seen this before. I try to tell you, every
single week you tried you already, you buried him, You've
ended their seats.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I didn't think they were gonna pull it out against
the Cold Star. I didn't think they were gonna pull
this game out.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Yeah, but I mean you bury them every single week,
you and mister Nobody and others. I want to be
all smarty and smart elokey with me, and I'm like, god, ye.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I was about before ten minutes away from being right
about them being eliminated.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
But again, you weren't close. Does not matter in these
types of debates. Hey, I told you they were down
in the third quarter. They came back and did with
the Chiefs dead. They ripped your heart out. And by
the way, Cowboys aren't better with Quinn Williams on defense,
and they fell behind twenty one zip in that game.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
It did not look good for the Cowboys. You get
sit and watch much of that.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
I watched a lot of it, but I also had
the red zone on. But I got rid of that
one because they were going too much to Atlanta and
the Saints.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
They love that game zone.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Today I'm like, why can you can you just let
that one be silent for me? Please? But I never
expected the Cowboys to come back. I when it was
twenty one seven, I'm like, Okay, maybe they'll make a
little bit of a game, but Philadelphia will go ahead
and shifted in the gear. I don't know what the
Eagle fans must be beside themselves after seeing something like this.

(18:25):
They gotta be losing their their marbles over this game.
And Saquon Barkley, what has happened to that guy this year?
He's been absolutely miserable this year.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Well, and today the Cowboys did a good job of
putting him in a booth.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
Ten carries twenty two yards his two point.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Two, and it looked for a while like Jalen Hurts
had silenced all of his critics.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
Now he did a good job today. I mean he
threw the ball well, but.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
They lost, and whenever you lose in Philly, things get
dicey rather quickly, especially people already calling out Jalen Hurts.
All right, when we come back at Fox Sports Radio Studios,
I do like the idea of debating who saved their
season and who season came to an end.

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Speaker 1 (20:21):
I'm not gonna lie. I'm still pretty surprised by that
Cowboys comeback today, Arnie borderline shocked, and it's the fourth
time in Cowboy history that they've had a twenty one
point comeback there first in eleven years. I mean again,
that's two and zero now since they made their deadline moves.
Now one of those doesn't really count because you beat
the Raiders. But I'm I come away here on this

(20:43):
week twelve edition of Arnie and Plank looking back on
the NFL week and that it was.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think maybe Dallas is kind of my team of
the weekend with what wow.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
And let me tell you something. I wonder what the
odds were nothing Todd is what kind of live betting
you could have got on them? And how much you
could have made. You probably could have gotten like ten
to one or something like that. And by the way,
the name I forgot was a Jim Punkett. How about that?

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You know, don't get rich Gannon he won an MVP.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
Yeah, I didn't bring his name up either. I forgot
that one too, so I ate him on you for
not bringing up these other great quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
You mentioned, Jay Schrader and Mark Wilson.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
By the way. Mark, By the way, Mark Wilson was
considered a top ten quarterback for the Raiders of all time.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I have the list right here in front of me.

Speaker 3 (21:29):
Then that whoever put that list together needs to be five.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Jeff George number nine and Mark Wilson number ten, followed
by Jay Schrader number eleven.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Well, you just said he's a top ten quarterback of
all time. He's eleven.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
That was Schrader. Number ten was Mark Wilson.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
I thought you were talking about Strader anyway. I just
I don't care who made that list.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
I don't know I have it.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
I googled it.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Stupid Raider fan?

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Is it ai?

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I'll give you.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I'll give you the top ten worst Rader quarterbacks of
all time, JaMarcus Russell won, Gino Smith.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Two, Fox Sports Radio. Well, whoever did that?

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I mean, unless it's Danny Gen needs to go a
lot of good stuff on the text line about it.
But I don't want to bag all your nights down
with my team because there's other stories. I think you
quickly veered away from the Cowboys here. Why are you
not wanting to kip your tip your cap to the
Cowboys snati?

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Oh yeah, and actually, well that's where I thought we
were gonna start. Where he said who saved their season?
Who didn't? Mine was gonna be the Dallas Cowboys. They
was there. You forget about it. They're not gonna have
any chance at making the playoffs now, they're kind of
right there. I don't know what percentage it is. I
don't have the odds on that, but it saved their season.
Down twenty one nothing, chances of losing was probably like

(22:45):
ninety seven percent. They could have just said they could
have just said that out with it, seasons done, were finished,
We'll just move on to next year. And they came back.
It's just incredible, especially against the team that was eight
and two at the time. So not only did they
save their season, they did it against all odds, I

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mean astronomically. It was just crazy what the odds are
against them.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
In this game, Dallas rang up four hundred and seventy
three yards of offense.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
The Eagles committed fourteen penalties, by far their most of
the season.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
And I mean right out of the gates, Right out
of the gates. The Eagles had thrown for one hundred
and fifty seven yards. I think that was the number
at the end of the first quarter. I need to
double check my math on that. It's more than they'd
have that they've had in half of their games this season.
So it's almost as if they came like, we're gonna
show you can throw the ball, and then, for some reason,

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following three touchdowns in the first to three possessions. Yeah,
the Eagles gained only seven first downs in their next
eight possessions, and in those eight possessions ran only three
plays in Dallas territory.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean, look at ladies. Give Dallas defense credit, but
they make such an adjustment to shut down the Eagles
like that, or the Egos go away from their game. Poan,
I don't know. I have to scoring three touchdowns. What
could possibly just bog you down like that? Is incredible?
That to not even you know, get one score the
next eight drives is incredible.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
You know, you know, let's let's let's table that for
a second, because I feel like that conversation you just
had about Philly Arnie that could relate to Indy today too,
because they're up twenty to nine and then all of
a sudden, their offense just decided it's like now we're
done here, and it allowed the Chiefs to get back
in the game. So I got some numbers from that too. First, first,

(24:37):
our man Steve the Sager is in the house, and
look at everything that's going on in the world of sports.
We have things a final, right, you bet you?

Speaker 3 (24:43):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (24:44):
It was great evening for the Los Angeles Rams, because
Philly blowing that lead means they're eight and three. The
Rams getting the easy win means they're nine and two.
The Rams are alone in first for the one seed
in the NFC.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
And remember they are.

Speaker 8 (25:00):
Going into today. They were tied for first and Philly
beat the Rams head to head with those two block
kicks in the fourth quarter earlier this season. This is
enormous for the Rams. A six straight win and also
with a Tampa Bay loss. Now the Panthers, who played
tomorrow night, could be solely in first in the NFC
South if they could beat San Francisco. This Rams win

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was thirty four to seven over Tampa Bay. Matthew Stafford
does it again. Three touchdown passes in the first half,
two to Devonte Adams. Quarterback Baker Mayfield of the Bucks,
down thirty one to seven at the half, did not
return due to a left shoulder injury. He had one
touchdown two interceptions. Tampa Bay running back Bucky Irving still
out with shoulder and foot injuries. The Dallas win was

(25:44):
twenty four to twenty one over Philadelphia, even though the
Cowboys trailed twenty one nothing late in the first half.
Jalen Hurts with three total tds, but on a field
goal on the final play, Dallas wins it to go
to five five and one. Jacksonville could be in the
playoffs this year. Lawrence had three touchdown passes.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Who told you that a long time ago?

Speaker 8 (26:03):
And four turnovers, So it is news that if this
quarterback performance keeps up and they still make the playoffs,
that would be something to see. Overtime win for the
Jags at Arizona twenty seven to twenty four. In the
AFC standings, the last three spots go to three seven
and four teams Chargers, Jaguars, Buffalo, Bills. The Steelers as

(26:28):
of now would be out. Pittsburgh wound up playing and
losing at Chicago today thirty one, twenty eight. Caleb Williams
three touchdown passes. Cleveland won at Las Vegas twenty four
to ten. Gino Smith was sacked ten times three by
Miles Garrett, and tonight the Raiders fired offensive coordinator Chip Kelly. However,
Pete carrol Son is still gainfully employed. There you go,

(26:49):
Atlanta Winter at New Orleans twenty four to ten for
the Falcons. That ends a five game losing streak. By
the way, Alvin Kamara left with what's called a sprain
knee and with a quarterback spot. It was Kirk Cousins
for the Falcons two touchdown passes, one interception. Because Michael
Pennix is due to have ACL reconstruction surgery this week.
Overtime wins for Detroit and Kansas City. New England won

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its ninth straight game, Baltimore won its fifth in a row.
Seattle held on thirty to twenty four at Tennessee, which
is one to ten, and Green Bay beat Minnesota twenty
three to six. Running Back Josh Jacobs out with a
knee injury today and the Packers do play Thursday at Detroit.
It'll be Thanksgiving this week. Today Emmanuel Wilson got twenty
eight carries for one hundred and seven yards and two

(27:34):
scores for the Packers. Cal fired football coach Justin Wilcox
after nine years there. Florida State says coach Mike Norvelle
will return next season. In the NBA. Oklahoma City is
seventeen and one after ripping Portland one twenty two to
ninety five. Okse's won nine in a row. Tonight, Shay
Gilgess Alexander thirty seven points in thirty minutes on the court.

(27:57):
The Lakers got thirty three points from Luca Donsons. They
edged Utah one six, and Cleveland beat The Clippers won
twenty to one O five thirty seven points for Donovan Mitchell.
Kevin Durant of the Rockets is reportedly out for two
games due to a family matter. Aaron Gordon of the
Nuggets will miss four to six weeks with a strain hamstring.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Back to you, hey, by the way, to say, do
they have anything more on Mayfield's left shoulder injury.

Speaker 8 (28:21):
It as soon as he grabbed it. I mean he
wasn't even down to the ground yet he was grabbing
it on that long throw at the end of the
first half, sling in the second half. That doesn't look good.
Because the left shoulder of Jordan Love at Green Bay
today was certainly not good and it affected his handoff,
but he still played a full game today. This, to

(28:44):
my eyes, looked more serious, though.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Are you knew right away what he was like drooping down?

Speaker 1 (28:48):
You know what I mean? It was drown But it
was so odd because you thought that maybe he threw
his shoulder out at first.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Whenever he went down, I was like, did he throw
a shit.

Speaker 8 (28:58):
Yeah, and it wasn't the throw and it wasn't ya right.
But now they've lost three in a row and now,
granted on their schedule and their division, they're going to
be playing what Atlanta and Arizona and the Saints. So
I'm not saying the season's over at six and five,
you could win, as we all know, at nine and
eight in that division, it's hardly over.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
By the way. Funny thing Arnie brought up earlier, boy,
the red zone was infatuated with that Falcon Saints game.

Speaker 2 (29:24):
It was killing me. It was really I thought maybe
it was just me, but it was a discost.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
It was not just you.

Speaker 8 (29:30):
They were the Saints' offense literally did not have a
touchdown and Tyler Shuck was sacked five times.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I don't know if maybe someone in that room is
like a Falcons fan or what, but I mean you
even had yeah, I mean the Raiders game you didn't
need to go to the Cowboys game got good.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
I kind of felt like the Eagles were up.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Twenty one zip and they knew the entire country was
getting that game, that they just tried to focus on
a few other.

Speaker 8 (29:53):
Games or something, or maybe because there was no focus
on the game in New Orleans. Maybe they were getting
it for free, there was no rights fee whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't know the reason why focus wasn't saying, hey, Arnie,
you just brought up a really good point. Tarnt even
playing care. On Fox Football Sunday, you were talking about
the Bucks, I'm sorry, the Eagles and how it just
seemed as if their offense either didn't keep doing what
was working for them, they shifted their approach, or the

(30:23):
Cowboys defense adjusted. Right, It's pretty wild to think that
you would adjust being down twenty one zip and there'd
be a magic adjustment to shut it down. I wonder
the same thing about the Chiefs Colts game. I mean,
the Colts looked like a Super Bowl team through three
and a half quarters.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
They went.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
They had a twenty nine lead heading into the fourth quarter,
but they couldn't get it done in the red zone.
That a couple of short field goals and you thought,
all right, that might be enough. But what ended up
happening is the Colts offense ended up having the football
for less than twenty six minutes, while.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
The Chiefs held it for forty two minutes.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
They still last two drives though I believe the last
two drives were either three and out, three and out
or when they needed that first down to get some clock.
They never got it. They had to give the ball, Yeah,
the Colts. They had to give the ball back to
the Chiefs. And that's that's where the eleven points in
the fourth quarter came from. They just it wasn't wasn't
as bad as Philadelphia in Dallas. But yeah, in the

(31:23):
twenty to nine lead, and I thought, Okay, they're gonna
hang on to this, They're gonna figure a way to
pull it out. Their defense was really playing well, I
mean really well. I think Kansas City picked up a
long third down to keep things going, so I got
to give them credit, but that was a bad the
Colts of that one slipped through their fingers. They really
had that game on.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
You can say it's not as either bad as the
Eagles or as good as the Cowboys, but when you
consider that Kansas City, I'm sorry. Indianapolis went on an
eleven play, sixty nine yard drive and up four minutes
and forty nine seconds, and at the end of the
third quarter they had a twenty to nine lead. Yeah,
and then after forcing a fumble on the next possession

(32:07):
for the Chiefs, they went punt punt, punt on the
next three possessions nine plays, six total yards. And what
they do on their first possession of overtime three plays
seven yards.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I mean, I thought they were gonna go for or
was it on Where did they punt in that first
possession in overtime? I think it was like from their
own forty or something like that or right around there.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
And I'm thinking that my west, their own forty.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Okay, I'm saying to myself, you give the ball back
to them, game over, and you know that's going to happen,
you might as well go for it, as if you
don't pick it up, you're gonna lose, and if you
punt it to them, you're gonna lose, So the hell
with it. You might as well go for it, or
least try to draw them off side. You gotta do something.
You can't just give them the ball back like that.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Well, but again, maybe they listened to the show last
week and they heard you say the Chiefs were done
and it is ov er over. Maybe that was what
they heard, and they're like, we got a chance here.
Arnie said they were finished. They've got no chance to
stop us.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Now, well, I know if the season ended today, they're
still not in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
So would you want to play him in the first round?
Pumped them?

Speaker 2 (33:10):
What do you mean think they're like the ten seed
right now? They're not even close to the playoff spots.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Wait? Wait, are you trying to say the Chiefs aren't
close to a playoff spot right now?

Speaker 3 (33:20):
They're one game out.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yeah, but they're behind Pittsburgh and the Texans also.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Again, they are one game out.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
What did you see from the Steelers today that leads
you to believe that they're going to win a game
without Aaron?

Speaker 2 (33:30):
I don't want to put too much into that with
now Aaron Rodgers. That's not really fair, is it.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I mean, you told me Aaron Rodgers stinks who they?
I mean, if I listen to you, none of these
teams would be in the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
I never thought it was going to be a great
year for Pittsburgh anyway. You're the one that was buying them.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm buying and listen, they're sitting here at six and
five right now. They're tied for first with another team
who season apparently in it a few weeks ago, and
that's the Ravens, who are now in first place.

Speaker 3 (33:54):
In the season.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
You brought up to three, You're brought north.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
The three teams are the last three spots in the AFC. Chargers, Jaguars,
Bills all seven and four. The three teams chasing them Pittsburgh, Uston,
Kansas City all six and five. So six teams separated
by one game. Half of them get in that. Talk
about a great playoff race.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, yeah, and it's pretty similar to what you're seeing
in the NFC right now. Uh now it's only one well,
I guess one and a half because you've got to
tie in there for the Packers, so it's kind of
hard to figure out. But they're seven three and one,
The Niners are seven and four, and you've got the
Lions at seven and four. The Cowboys are the Panthers
at six and five, and then the Cowboys are there
at five to five and one. Yeah, I mean you

(34:36):
draw thee. Yeah, it's a drop off. But again, I mean,
if you're gonna tell me the Dolphins are still alive
for the playoffs, and I guess I need to say
the Falcons and Vikings are still alive.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
I did the right I did the math on my Dolphins.
It came out to one point one six percent of them.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
So you're telling me there's I'm sorry, So you're saying
there's a chance.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
I'm saying there's a chance, but not a good chance.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
All right. Got a lot of good stuff on Twitter tonight.
Most of it revolves around the Raiders firing of Chip Kelly,
which happened moments ago. But we've got what we learned
from week twelve in the NFL. We got Todd Furman
coming up. We're just getting started. It's a busy Sunday
night with Arnie and Plank on Fox Sports Radio. Fox
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(35:22):
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got a busy week here on Fox Sports Radio, Arnie.
When can the span your minions find you as well?
During the Thanksgiving week?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I see a lot of the the regulars are working
the holidays, so there wasn't a wasn't a lot of
fillings this holiday time. But I got Thursday Friday by
usual slot with VJ Husky ten pm to two am Eastern,
So that's gonna be on Thursday and Fridays.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Now we'll get you choosing to work with VEJ over me.
This is heartbreaking right now.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
I I didn't choose.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Who you're the boss. You say you run this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
You didn't contact me, you didn't tell me you wanted
to work. I thought i'd give you the day off.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
DJ getting that fillin makes me want to jump off
my roof right now, that you chose him over me,
I'm just going to tell you that right now. All right,
let's hit some of these tweets that are coming into
the show Late Night drug Tester, Right all right, I'm
thinking aj Brown is right and the Eagles have issues.
Do you happen to notice how he was talking gas
Nick Sirianni to the Cowboys fans when they got up

(36:56):
twenty one. Zi, But it was a really brief thing
and didn't make too much of a big deal. And
I like Sirianni, man, I kind of like that attitude.
Dude's want a Super Bowls. He can't hate on him
too much.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
He can't.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
But I mean, maybe there's a few deeper issues right now.
Whenever it comes to what the what's going on in Philly.
They can't they can't hold on to a twenty one
zip lead. Oh' that's a tough look.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
They you know what.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It was just kind of you know, I didn't see
it coming because the offense looks so good the first
three things, the first three possessions. I'm like, well, they'll
get it back on track in the second half.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Though.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Look, even if they don't score three touchdowns, they'll get
themselves ten points, maybe thirteen seventeen points. They'll be just fine.
Not even close to that.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Johnny, I understand your frustration with the Raiders plank, but
what the heck is Brady doing to help the team.
That's kind of my point, he's he's not.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
No, I bought up Brady. You got mad at me
when I did that.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Because what's he I mean, he's not really doing anything.
He claims he's not the general manager. He claims he's
not the OC or anything. So I mean he's apparently
there and was buddies with chip Kelly, So what does
that mean?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
He got chip Kelly fired?

Speaker 1 (38:05):
So I don't really I don't really know what his
role is and nor do I care. I like the
I like the idea that he got his ore and
his vibe around the team, But so far that hasn't
me and that hasn't been Diddley pooh. It's been like
the worst thing has happened.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
We'll give him some time. I mean, it's what been
a year, so let's let's give him a little time.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
Though. What is the amount of time to where you
think that things are going right when you take over
a team that is worse the year you take over
with no no conceivable hope for the future.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Well, I don't know how much how much he's making
the decisions. Also, I have no idea how much he's
involved with that. This could be the first year that's
still making that he's making decisions. Who knows If Davis
isn't making the decisions, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
I don't know where it's coming from. Coach King Rex,
what the hell is thinking genius talking about? He almost
made me cuss to Mark Wilson, Arnie. Mark Wilson was guarded,
Jason writes Breton.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
If he was on the top ten on that list,
I think he was ever.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Made that list is probably looking at all time passing
yards leaders.

Speaker 3 (39:08):
And then one more on the Raiders, Brendan Wrights.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
If I were Mark Davis, I would have done the
one thing they did tonight. They did the right thing there.
That's his start. I think by firing Kelly alone, our
offense will improve. The players hated him to their core.
Then again, our O line couldn't block me. That's true, Brandon.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
And only six and a half till he was making
the sacred.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Said, well that so the Raiders are two and nine
right now?

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Is that right?

Speaker 3 (39:33):
So the Raiders sitting at two.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
And nine or wherever they are, I'm so I don't
even care that that means that he made that amount
of game and in that short amount of time, Steve,
is that right?

Speaker 8 (39:43):
My I was supposed to be six mil. I mean
that's more than some contracts full contracts.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Or six as an assistant coach. And I was excited
and hired him too.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
I know that was like, what are you doing?

Speaker 8 (39:59):
He Carroll had never let a coordinator go mid season,
and now really two and a half weeks, it's two
got twice. He's also never had on a team that's
been this far under five hundred before.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Has he not?

Speaker 8 (40:10):
In all the decades he's been a coach, pro or college.
The answer is he has not.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
He does have a good, good view of the game, though,
I will give him he's got a great pettiger. I
don't know what he's doing, but he's you know he's doing.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I have no idea what he's doing over there whatsoever.
Mister nobody has an interesting perspective, he writes. But Jim
Nansen Tony Romo acting like coming back from twenty to
nine was a big deal. Eleven point lead with twelve
minutes left in the game. Any competent home team can
come back. Yeah, Casey doing it because Indy stopped playing
is nothing to impress me. It was one game, an

(40:45):
eleven point lead and a comeback in the fourth quarter.
I mean, I don't know, dude, I kind of think
that's impressive. Maybe I'm too Maybe i've been and you two,
mister Nobody, and you too, mister Spaniel. Maybe you guys
have been too used to Patrick Mahomes doing this. But
I don't think that's normal. You don't usually when you
have an eleven point lead in the fourth quarter, you

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don't blow that very often. Seems like it's happening a
lot in the NFL, and Gunner won more this segment.
Rights Carolina will be taking over the NFC South tomorrow. Wow,
disaster that precision hasn't made. Oh my gosh. All right,
when we come back, Todd Furman joins us as we
recap week twelve on Fox Sports Radio. Well, you had

(41:28):
some really wild comebacks. Cowboys were down twenty one zip
at one point for the first time and what is
that now eleven years since twenty fourteen. They come back
from twenty one points down to beat the Eagles. Chiefs
rally from eleven down in the fourth quarter to win,
and then you had some teams that survived. Now, in
our one, we didn't talk too much about the survival

(41:52):
because it's it's kind of hard to look at, right.
The Seahawks, the Giants, are the Lions, and the Patriots
Arnie all didn't necessarily play their best games. Ravens, I
would throw the Ravens in there too, didn't play their
best games. And I even the Jaguars because I guess
you consider them right there in the playoff mix right now.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
But what did they do?

Speaker 1 (42:11):
They still found a way to win, unlike the Bills
on Thursday night, which knocked me out of my survivor pool.
But I got to tell you something, dude, I'm so
torn because I love this league as a week two
week league.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
I'm so torn between watching.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Say that's Titan Seahawks game and thinking, how is that
game closed? Watching the Ravens, who finally started to pull
away late, watching the Delion seed overtime to be Jameis
Winston and the Patriots basically need the incompetence of Joe
Flacco to win. I don't know. I come away from
these games and I'm trying to embrace the week two
week league, But doesn't it say something about how these
teams could be considered vulnerable?

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Oh there's a lot of them. That's where we don't
know who's gonna go ahead and when it this year
we look at the number one seeds. We talked about
the number one seeds and I'm like, I don't buy
in New England to go ahead and win this whole thing.
They're probably not even gonna be one of the favorites.
Maybe the Rams, yeah, I buy into them, but I
don't buy into Denver. I'm not buying into the Colts.

(43:07):
Ravens of won five in a row, but I certainly
were surprised. They were lucky, not lucky, but you know,
they struggled a little bit, to say against the crappy team.
I guess the best team I like is the Chargers,
and they've got injury problems like crazy, I'd so wide
open in the AFC. It's not even funny. It's crazy
out there.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
It is. It is kind of wild, though, because I
have a hard time in judge, in judging whether or
not Arnie, we should be impressed with those teams that
found a way to win, or are more disappointed that
they put themselves in that position. Like how let's just
I know you're real focus in the AFC here, but
let's talk about Detroit. Yeah that was that, Like, how
are you at home against a team that's got an

(43:48):
interim coachy. There are a couple of games in with
Mike Kafka and you're you're fighting for your life. You're
down double digits in this game in the fourth quarter, Like,
what are we even doing?

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Troy's got to make a decision. I don't have the
contract in front of me, but I think it's time,
and not that he had a horrible game, but.

Speaker 3 (44:08):
Soon blame on Jared Golf.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Sooner or later, you got to move on from I
was thinking about this during the game. I'm like, you know,
this guy, he's done a great job, but within the
next what two years, I think it's time to move
on with him and start grooming somebody else. And I
think it's ready to go ahead and move on to
the next quarterback there.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Well, okay, then who is that? Well, you gotta pick it.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, you got to go ahead and figure that out.
I can't do everything for you, Chris.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
I mean there's seven and four. I mean I think
they tend.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Yeah, but offensively they've had problems though this year.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
I mean, I guess my question would be, what would
you want from him? I mean he threw for two
seventy nine Today, he was sacked three times, a couple
of touchdowns. Had to pick but I mean, it's gonna
happen in the league. I was, I didn't realize you
were this down on Jared Golf.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
Yeah, by the way we went on, this is one
thinking that Lion fans. I mean again, if you look
at some of the past offensive performances, it's not like
they've been killing it like that in the last couple
of times. I mean, Gibbs, that guy was crazy today
to just I. Of course I had to play against
him in fantasy football. They were just getting colabored. But
that guy was on fire. He was crazy today, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
He was. He was nuts. And then I guess the
other storyline from today. I I know that the Packers
have been on a roller coaster, but the Vikings have it.
It's been one way and it's been down. And I
saw stat today that blew my mind. I don't know
if it's real, but I'm not going to let facts
get in the way.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Of a good story.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
No, don't let it get in the way.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
This is from Danny Heifitz, and this is true Media's numbers.
But JJ McCarthy is now eight hundred and fifty first
out of eight one hundred and fifty two quarterbacks in
the history of this metric, which is EPA per drop back,
the only player below JJ McCarthy is JaMarcus Russell. If

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you isolate it down to just third downs, uh, he's
he's dead last. And for those that are wondering what
the EPA is overall, it's like expected Oh jeez, I
just had it right here in front of me. Ep
eddicates above average performance. Negative ETA suggests uh, negative performance.

(46:33):
It's expected points added. It's at statford quarterback, which measures
their contribution to their team score on a per play basis. So,
in other words, he's the worst at that since JaMarcus
Russell when they started keeping expected points out at EPA.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
What'st terrible? That's horrible. I mean that's like I didn't
think he was playing that bad where he was like
the the worst.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
He's playing better than Jared Goff. And you want to
catch Jared Goff right now?

Speaker 2 (47:00):
You know, there's I think I said this a couple
of weeks ago, or was it last week? I go,
how about you? How long are we going to give
McCarthy About a year or so, because the guy has
too many games under his belt. Maybe I don't have
to give that much time, Chris. Maybe I could just say, yay,
you know, maybe it's time to move on from him
and figure something else out.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
You know, I would, I would have to say more
than anything else, Arnie. The bottom line. The thing that's
impressive to me is how you still have people that
are trying to tell you that he's good. Right. I
mean it's there are analytics nerds. Even with that EPA
stat that I gave you, they're like, oh no, no, no,

(47:39):
whenever you look at it and you look at all
these other percentages, he's still a really good he's gonna
be I don't.

Speaker 3 (47:45):
I mean, what is that that leash? What is that rope?

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Whenever you're thinking about how long you can experiment with this?
I mean, they tried to keep Sam Darnold around, Arnie
are and they were apparently in the Aaron Rodgers conversation too,
so they knew there might be some hiccups this year.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Just how long can you go with it?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
You knew he wasn't going to be that great of
a quarterback based on what he did in Michigan, right,
It was like he put up the most ungodly numbers
and what game was it? Where you know, you're just
you're like handing the ball off like every other time.
It's it's insane to think that this guy was going
to come into the NFL and become, you know, in
the next grade starting quarterback. I just didn't understand it.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Well, everyone seemed to love him, so I mean, I
guess it's I guess it's one of those things that
the bottom line, more than anything else is they're.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Stuck with him for at least a couple more years.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Like, I don't know if they had a serviceable backup,
Like if Carson Wentz didn't go out there for a
couple of weeks and you're like, oh, yeah, that's that's
Carson Wentz. He's awful. You might see a situation where
they could have gone like the Colts did. I mean,
they had Daniel Jones last year, remember whenever, Yeah, you
got cut by the Giants. The place he went was
the Vikings. But yeah, listen, let me stop wasting times

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on bad teams. Here. It's already even playing on a
Fox Football Sunday because we were talking about teams that
saved their season. Can I add one from Thursday night
because this game was so wild to me, Yeah, yeah,
go ahead, Absolutely, Texans save their season with that.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I was thinking about that too. I had three teams,
but the Texans, I believe.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Who are your three teams?

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Overall?

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Again, just to reset Colts, I'm sorry, Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I had Dallas saved their season obviously with the win
over Philadelphia Kansas City. I really believe had they lost
that game, dropped the five and six, they would have
their percentage of trying to get into the playoffs would
have been less than a quarter. Twenty five percent wasn't
gonna happen at that point. And Baltimore, even though they
had won four in a row at that point after

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the win, it's five in a row. If they would
have dropped the five and six, I would have said
that's it. Their season would have been done. There's only
what I really tried to look at this, and I
know Arizona lost and they're pretty much done, but there
was really only one team I felt season came to
an end because they lost. And for some reason, I

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put Cincinnati in that category because they felt like, oh,
Joe Burrow is gonna come back and try to save
the season and make a run at the playoffs. I'm like,
what what playoffs?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
What run are they?

Speaker 2 (50:11):
What's he coming back to? But now that they lost officially,
I feel like there's seasons definitely come doing that.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Well. If they would have won, Arnie, they would have
been right there at four and seven with the Dolphins,
so you've pretty much guaranteed a playoff spot, so it
wouldn't be that wild, right.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
Wow, are you going to throw that back in my face?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Aren't I listen? I mean, the Dolphins haven't lost since
you made that proclamation. They won too straight and.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
The Dolphins have like the easiest schedule in the history.

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Of football, So I listen as a friend. I don't
think I would look at the schedule metric because you've
been so dead wrong on that from I mean, the
Cult apparently had the hardest schedule. We're going to be terrible.
The Dolphins had the easiest, and they're like four and seven, Like,
I are you looking at the right strength of schedule metrics?
Are you just making up your own as you go along?

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Have you looked at we've gone through the schedule for
the Dolphins, I understand how about everybody? How about last
week and when everybody was jumping on the dolphin beadwagon,
and Mark Gruden was saying, I don't watch off of
the Dolphins. Maybe John would, I say, Mark Rudens glad, I.

Speaker 1 (51:11):
Call him that.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
John Gruden saying the same thing. Everybody jumping on that
dolphin bedwagon, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Well, you do have the Mighty Saints coming up next week,
so we'll see if you.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Can way and then what the Jets after that? Uh huh,
there's another win. Now we're now we're six and seven
and we played Pittsburgh after that?

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Right, yeah? When at seven and seven Pittsburg gone? When
football weather? Have you seen boys? Whenever they play in
cold weather, they're like a tortoise going back into it.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Hope for global warming. Come on, let's go.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Uh think at the Bengals. Joe Burrow could be back
by then.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
That's what you're gonna give me. I would have worried
about that. Stop it.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
You're not gonna worry about Joe Burrow.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
I'm not gonna worry.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Joe's not worried about a three win team. Sorry about that.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Well, you're a four win team.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
You have a damn good four wind time my gosh.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
All right, a couple of other things I wanted to
get to here real quick. I saw this on NFL
dot Com and I thought it was an you got
any other teams that save their season, you want to
get the Dolphins in play.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
So I tried to avoid it all night long.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
But yeah, if the Doves at play to be a different.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Story, right, I completely and totally understand. Now Judy Batista,
NFL dot Com has an article in the headline says
eight NFL narratives we can finally put to bed after
Week twelve on Sunday, and one of those in here
is the Vikings know that they're looking at and made

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the right decision to go all in on JJ McCarthy
this season. Her point is, yeah, it's not good, right.
You can lay that narrative to bad that all they
made the right move. You can lay the narrative to
bad that the Ravens dug themselves too big of a
hole in the early season.

Speaker 3 (52:57):
They're in the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
But here was one that I've struggled with quite a bit,
and the Bears won today. I don't know how catab
Williams basically laid the ball down in the end zone
and gave the Steelers a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
I don't know how they lost that game.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Crazy. It was holding like a loaf of bread.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
It was crazy.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
But the narrative that she lays out in disputes is
that the Bears are a mirage, and I still think
they are. Sorry, Jonas, I know, Jonas Knox has got
to be the happiest guy. Fox Sports Radio is a
Bears fan right now because we're the Bears.

Speaker 3 (53:31):
They are right in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 (53:33):
You know, they are that worst to first candidate, and
they're still very much alive. They won today thirty one,
twenty eight and don't look now, but they're eight and three. Arnie,
the Bears are eight and three now, I still think
they suck. This is the theory that Judy lays out.
Until Sunday, the Bears had not beaten a team with
a winning record. The rest of their schedule will be

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a much tougher test, starting with Black Friday in Philadelphia
and two games against the Packers. But on and beating
the Steelers, the Bears toppled a winning team and did
it without six defensive starters and with six games to go.
There in first place in the NFC North. Now, he
does add the Steelers have their backup quarterback today.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
You know, I look, I.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Love looking at what the sov strength of victory, you know,
teams that they've.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Beaten, because in college football this year, oh is.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It the If you look at what they've there's only actually,
there's only one team worse than the strength of victory
than them, than the Chicago Bears. You want to guess
who that is?

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I don't know who.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Another team making a playoff runt, the Dallas Cowboys, Bears
point three toh nine, Cowboys point three to oh four.
Everybody else way above that, way above it. So it's
not even close. They've feasted, feasted off a really really
easy schedule. That's what they've done.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Kind of similar to the Broncos, only maybe the Bears
have a little bit more offensive juice than the Broncos,
where it's like, how are they good?

Speaker 3 (55:08):
How is this team sitting.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
Here at eight and two or eight and three whatever
it is with the Bears. Ninety two of the Broncos
ain't three of the Bears. I mean, you watch them
play and it's just it's kind of mundane. They make
some mistakes. But yet for the Broncos, their defense I
think is elite. Denver reminds me a lot of Oklahoma
and college football. For the Bears, I don't know anything

(55:29):
on them that's elite, aren't he? And yet they're sitting
here at eight and three right now in a division
that we thought was going to be dominated by Detroit
and maybe Green Bay, and the Bears are in first
place right now.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
You know what's going to be cool about one thing?
And I don't know if you gave a lot of
thought to this. Usually when we go to the playoffs,
we see the games in Buffalo, in Kansas City, you know,
the usual suspects. How cool is it going to be
a home game in Denver finally like it used to be?
And that crowd in Chicago a home playoff game? How

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awesome is that going to be? How long has it
been since something like that happened? That that's gonna be
the fun part of this whole thing?

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Well, I mean, again, we're not going too terribly far
back when the Broncos had a home playoff game, really,
I mean they it's not too terribly I mean, everything
to me seems like it's not too terribly far removed,
because I'm.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Like, hey, didn't it just happen like in nineteen ninety five, as.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Soon as they are, that's thirty years ago, right, wasn't
Carl Mecklenberg on the Broncos the last time they had
a home playoff game? But no, let's say the last
Broncos home playoff game actually came in. We do have
to go back to twenty fifteen. Wow, when they be
so you're going and the Broncos, by the way, have
Let's see, they've missed the playoffs. They made it last

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year in Sean Payton's first year. They missed the playoffs
from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty three. So after they
won the Super Bowl and after Peyton Manning retired, damn arnie.
They had they had been. They had a couple winning records,
and there had a ninety seven se in there. But
it's wild to see just how absent from the football
playoff landscape they've been. And now, for the first time

(57:07):
in a decade, they're gonna have a home playoff game.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
It looks like the Bears are longer than that. The
ten years.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Let's look, when would you say the last the last
time the Bears had a home playoff game?

Speaker 2 (57:17):
Man, maybe fifteen years, twenty years. I don't know the
last time that.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
I always think that way.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
The last time the Chicago Bears had a home playoff
game was twenty eighteen.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Double doink.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, they lost whenever. That was the Khalil Mack trade
here when they got Khalil Mac. Matt Nagy won Coach
of the Year that year. To kind of give you
an idea of just how that was a twelve and
four football team. They lost the Eagles in the first round.
But now, for the first time in seven years, they
could have a home playoff.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Game, right, I get those. I think games, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
I think that's a really good point.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
It's gonna be fun to see some different teams hosting
come playoff time. All Right, when we come back to
the Fox Sports Radio studios, we'll head of Vegas talk
to our buddy Todd Ferman a recap Week twelve in
preview Monday Night Football with Arnie and Plank right here
on Fox Sports Radio. Ale's welcome in, Welcome him in.
He is Todd Furman. Every single Sunday night, he Jones
joins Arnie and Plank here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
All Right, Saw it by the breaking news.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Thank you, thank you for doing something, Pete Carroll, But
I don't know if this is the right move.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Chip Kelly is out.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
Offense have been an embarrassment, Todd, and maybe the lowest
moment for the Raiders franchise in Vegas outside of losing
the Jeff Saturday as an interim coach with the Colts.
This is a pretty close one. A getting embarrassed by
a team as bad as the Browns.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
You weren't impressed with the way that they were so
buttoned up out of the gates against his quarterback making
his first NFL start, and the Raiders promptly got themselves
in a double digit hole week teams too often and
so look. They did, of course make the change firing
chip Kelly, but Pete Carroll wanted to do the organization right.
He should probably fire himself, as this organization will yet
again be going through a summer of rebuilding, trying to

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figure out how they can put the pieces together, not
to become a five hundred football team, but just to
make sure they have the foundation to compete three years
down the road.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
You know, Tod, I said earlier, maybe Tom Brady got
to get involved and start call the shots and everything.
Who's calling all the shots?

Speaker 9 (59:16):
That's a great question, a great question, and I'm not
sure anybody really knows the answer. Tom Brady has been
a little bit more involved with the organization going forward,
but of course his day job gets in the way,
and you do begin to wonder if he would make
in all in commitment to being in the Raiders front
office and kind of moving away from his broadcasting responsibilities.
I'm not sure the overlords at Fox would like that.

(59:36):
I'm not sure it's what Tom Brady feels his best.
But somewhere along the way, I mean, this organization needs
a full foundational reset, and someone with a little bit
of a championship pedigree like Tom Brady might be the fit.
And you'd hope that he had the wherewith all and
the ability to identify talent to know where the strengths
and weaknesses of this group are. Because right now you're
pointing the finger at Chip Kelly is essentially blaming the

(59:59):
painter when the foundation on your home starts to crack.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
I'm mad at the plumber because everything is falling apart
in my house. Now, It's you're one hundred percent right,
all right? No one wants to hear about these losers anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
Are the Bears good? I'm looking at this SAT.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
They're plus nineteen in the turnover margin and there're eight wins,
which again you can debate whether or not you consider
turnovers to be a little bit of luck involved there too.
But they're minus three in their losses. I can't figure
them out. They'll make some plays that are as boneheaded
as anything you've seen, and then Caleb Williams will look
like a rock star.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
What do you make it of the Bears right now?

Speaker 9 (01:00:32):
It's a team that's learning how to win, and I
think before you can learn to win big and win comfortably,
you have to try and escape some of these close games.
But as we saw last year with the Kansas City Chiefs,
they found themselves on the right side of variants in
a variety of one score games, and those kind of
things regress. But Ben Jonson is cluded building a culture.
This team believes and they don't let one mistake spiral
into two or three or even more. Now, the one

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thing for the Bears and why it becomes a little
bit of a cautionary tale. They've played one of the
softest schedules in the NFL to they will play the
most difficult schedule based on opponent win percentage from this
week going forward, and that'll kick off on Black Friday
against the Philadelphia Eagles. But they were able to erase
a halftime deficit today against the Steelers, and every game
you win, you stack that level of confidence. And they've

(01:01:15):
built a little bit of good faith with their fans
and have created a little bit of a margin of
air in the division for what is going to be
extremely competitive between them, the Lions and the Packers all
the way to Week eighteen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
You think, did you get my message when I said, hey,
I think you should bet the Cowboys that comeback when
they were down twenty one nothing? What kind of odds
did you get on that?

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
You know, the price never drifted as far as you
would think in a game like that. I saw some
six six and a half to one.

Speaker 10 (01:01:40):
But if you dug it that game from start to finish,
I mean the Cowboys are the better football team.

Speaker 9 (01:01:46):
I mean they had some self inflicted wounds early on
in the game, including an interception in the end zoe
from Dak Prescott. Philadelphia gets the four to twoitous bounce
on a roughing the punter call that shouldn't have been
made since the ball was deflected and credit Dallas, and
they continued to find a way to push even after
they had a failed fourth down attempt inside the five
yard line.

Speaker 10 (01:02:05):
Got to stop and we're able to go on and
win the football game.

Speaker 9 (01:02:08):
They played extremely well, and you do wonder though, if
they have anything left in the tank playing their third
game in what ten or eleven did the days depending
on how you calculate it on Thanksgiving knowing the raw
emotion about losing a teammate, so I wouldn't be surprised
that the Cowboys look like they were up against it
against the Kansas City Chiefs in the afternoon game on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Are the Rams the least talked about good team in
the NFL right now? I think Stafford's put together a
case for MVP, and they just were surgical tonight against Tampa.

Speaker 9 (01:02:34):
I mean, he is no doubt deserving of the MVP,
and I think when the odds reopen at the majority
of books, he will be a heavy odds on favorite.

Speaker 10 (01:02:42):
The only thing.

Speaker 9 (01:02:42):
Working against him would be, you know, the potential of injury,
like it always is in the National Football League. But
you mentioned how surgical he's been the first half. Truly
went out there and dominated it, and like a fine wine,
continues to get better with age. There are still some
concerns on this Rams roster that, in my opinion, have
to be addressed for they get to the postseason. The
interior of the offensive line leaves a little bit to
be desired, and look even a week ago, if the

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Rams don't force multiple turnovers against Sam Darnold, they probably
lose that football game. But a lot of reason for
optimism and excitement. They've done a tremendous job drafting well,
getting a lot of young talent on the defensive side
of the ball, and a one to two punch offensively
at wide receiver in DeVante Adams and Pooka Nakua that
are as difficult to cover as any in space.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
You did well if you took the double digit underdogs today,
But regular people like to take the big favorites, don't they.

Speaker 9 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I mean, you didn't have any of those massive,
outright upsets, but you did have some of the dogs
that got home from an ATS perspective, so that always helps.
But there's a lot of teasers and money line parlay
liability and everything else that goes on. But it is
always fascinating because for years you bet the NFL and
all you had to do, and I say that sacetiously
is identify the outright winner and you'd be able to cover.
But you go down the board and see that the

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Ravens wanted didn't cover as two touchdown favorites. Of course,
the Lions double digit favorites, they win, but don't cover
New England on the road wins, it doesn't cover Seattle.

Speaker 10 (01:04:01):
The list goes on and on. So numbers do matter
in this business.

Speaker 9 (01:04:04):
As people who found themselves involved in both the Arizona Cardinals,
Jacksonville Jaguars game, and of course the four mentioned Bears
the Steelers game, it's the importance of winning and losing
between two and a half and three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
At the risk of getting in trouble. From College tall
cater my man Shady Sean on Twitter, I do want
to talk about my Sooners and I just got your
message somehow tonight, Todd.

Speaker 9 (01:04:25):
I guess they the new social media interface is about
as difficult to navigate here as anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
All right, good, but I'm with you. This is a
dangerous game. The Sooners are playing now. It was a
much different world On Saturday. They smothered the nation's one
of the nation's top rushing defenses. But you got LSU
on Saturday. They could be They're on their way to
the playoffs right now. What a year would a bounce
back for this team, But they're doing it in a
unique way.

Speaker 10 (01:04:49):
They sure are.

Speaker 9 (01:04:49):
I mean the defense is outstanding, but you do worry
about the offensive shortcomings when they step up in class.
But look, they have everything in front of them. They're
a double digit favorite this weekend and home against an
LSU team that looked anything but dynamic on the offensive
side of the ball, sneaking by Western Kentucky is a
twenty four point favorite last Saturday. But you can't take
your eye off the ball. And I think the bigger
question for the Sooners if they're able to hold serve

(01:05:12):
in the regular season finale. You know, rule the committee
give them a home game in Norman or will they
send them out on the road. I think there is
a great chance that you'll see a game in your building,
and given the cachet around the brand, potentially being on
that Friday night, knowing that the Four Letter Network has
exclusive rights and I'm sure they don't want to let
a blue, blue blood program end up getting relegated to
some of the second year broadcasts that we'll see on

(01:05:33):
that college football Saturday opening playoff day.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
You know, Tod always with these rivalry games, always look
at the upsets there. You see anything this week, maybe
Mississippi State over Old Miss on Thanksgiving, maybe Michigan beating
Ohio State or something like that.

Speaker 9 (01:05:49):
Well, I think the team that should be on upset
alerts Orient Quite frankly, I wasn't overly impressed even their
double digit win against USC. I know they're dealing with
some injuries at the skill position, so we'll see if
they get some reinforcements there with the Corey and Moore
and Gary Bryant junior to return and Washington on the
other side of things, will the Huskies get some of
their key contributors back, both along the offensive line at

(01:06:09):
the skill positions. But that is one of the more
difficult places to play at all of college football, especially
on the West Coast. Washington would have nothing more than
a place spoiler. And while people want to look at
a lot of these resumes in college football that these
so called playoff teams have assembled.

Speaker 10 (01:06:23):
I'm not a buyer in Oregon as.

Speaker 9 (01:06:24):
A legitimate threat to win the national championship, and I
don't think at ten and two they would find themselves
inside the playoff given the weakness of the schedule overall.
So I'll say that the Ducks as a six and
a half seven point favorite or on upset alert among
some of the marquee.

Speaker 10 (01:06:38):
Games that we're going to see this weekend.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
Quick flip back to the NFL side of things, because
I guess we saw some teams survive today right when
they didn't necessarily play all that well, and one of
them was the Lions Detroit. I mean, you got Dan
Campbell calling offensive plays. Now they've speaking of a roller coaster.
Are you off the Lions Vandwagon? Are you still a
believer that they can make some noise on the stretch.

Speaker 10 (01:07:01):
I'm still a believer.

Speaker 9 (01:07:02):
I mean, there's way too much offensive talent on that
team to try ignore. I think the big thing that
stood out in their thirty four to twenty seven win
against the Giants today was that their offensive line was
completely overwhelmed by that Giants defensive front. Now, credit to
the Giants, they have an elite defensive front with a
ton of first round draft capital there. They're just a
little bit weak in the back. So I don't think
the Lions are going to see that kind of pressure

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on a week in, week out basis, but they're going
to need to get better in the trenches. They're getting
a little bit healthier on the defensive side, and it
should set up a fantastic matchup in the NFC North
where the Lions are a three point favorite on Thursdays,
they'll welcome in the Green Bay Packers. In terms of
trying to exactly measure revenge for a game where they
were blown out Week one on the road of Lambeau.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
Todd, we were talking about this earlier. With the AFC
just so wide open, how could you not get some
favorable odds with some of those teams out there. I mean,
you don't even have to take like the one, two
or three seeds. You could take some of the bottom
seeds and get some good value there.

Speaker 10 (01:07:59):
I mean, there are plenty of.

Speaker 9 (01:07:59):
Good rice is out there if you feel that you've
been able to identify a team, and I don't remember
a conference in recent memory where we're going into the
Thanksgiving holiday weekend and you don't have a team price
at less than four to one to win the league.
I mean, throw a blanket all over the Colts, Patriots, Broncos, Chiefs, Ravens.
I'm not a buyer of the Bills. I don't think
that roster is overly talented. And if you were looking
at try and make a case for a team a

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little bit further down the board. I think the Houston Texans,
if they can go on the road to Indian and
pull off the upset this weekend, There's not a team
in the AFC that wants to see that defense coming
into their building, especially if the offense trends in the
right direction.

Speaker 10 (01:08:32):
One CJ.

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
Stroud returns under center after three week absence due with concussions.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
You want to know the craziest thing about the whole thing,
the who do you think is the favorite in the
AFC right now? And I'll give you a hint. They're
not even in the playoffs right now.

Speaker 9 (01:08:47):
I mean, I mean, I'm not sure where you're going,
but if you're going to try and tell me I
should watch out for the Dolphins, I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
The Kansas City Chiefs were is the favorite in the AFC,
and they're not even in the playoffs right now.

Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Yeah, I mean they're all bunched off.

Speaker 9 (01:09:03):
I mean, like I said, there's five teams right now, separated,
you know, depending on which book you're choosing, a look
at by anywhere from fifteen to twenty cents. So odds
makers have kind of thrown their hands up in the air.
They're going to allow the betting public to try and
figure it out and look. The inside track to the
number one seed remains as wide open as any. But
even if New England takes home that number one spot,
I don't think a team like the Ravens and the

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chiefs of the Broncos would be intimidated going into Foxborough
and taking on a sophomore quarterback making his playoff debut.

Speaker 3 (01:09:30):
Hi, buddy, have a great week, Todd.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Appreciate you man, and always I look forward to seeing
the news, notes and numbers you got for us on
Twitter at Todd Ferm and talk to you next Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Happy Thank you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:09:40):
Always a pleasure to Arnie. I'll make sure on them
at the Terrytorial Cup in tenp next Friday. I don't
drop your name so I don't can get escorted out
during the game.

Speaker 10 (01:09:48):
Between Arizona Arizona State, we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Should have two extra wins. Many they took those b
YU and the Houston went away from us. We should
be ten and one right now.

Speaker 10 (01:09:58):
I mean, look, you know what, I'm just gonna leave
it a down. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
By the way. Arizona State can still get in the
Big Twelve championship game if they win that. Hurry the way,
what can we do? What's trending?

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Then tell us why you're up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
Yeah, I'll tell you a st trending.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
All right?

Speaker 8 (01:10:21):
Make him feel better? There we go, by the way.
The clinching scenarios for the conference championships are pretty basic
for most of the teams. Now we're still two weeks away,
but those conference championship games for the major leagues are
the first Saturday in December. It'll start with the Big
Twelve at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium and then have the

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SEC title game at the Atlanta Falcons Stadium. Then two
on that Saturday night early December, the ACC Championship at
the Carolina Panthers Stadium, and on Fox TV, the Big
Ten title game in Indianapolis. In other words, yes, Indiana
hosting the Big Ten Championship game. But as to who's
going to be in, say the Big twelve title game,

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Texas Tech gets in with a win, BYU gets in
with a win, and either of them get in with
an Arizona State loss. As for the Big Ten Championship,
Indiana's in with a win, Ohio State's in with a win.
In fact on Fox TV this Saturday, number one, Ohio
State at number fifteen, Michigan. As far as who will
be in the ACC Championship, SMU's in with a win,

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Virginia is in with a win. Pitt would need help,
Miami would need a lot of help, although I expect
to see Miami still as the highest ranked ACC team
come Tuesday nights rankings, which will make it interesting. As
far as the SEC Championship game, Alabama's in with a win,
Texas A and M's in with a win. What about

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my Sooners Georgia would be in either a loss from
Alabama or A and M. Yeah, because in the SEC,
I mean, not only is it bunched up at the top,
but in the SEC, Oklahoma's one of the teams with
two losses like Texas Vanderbilt for that batter. You know,
Vanderbilt's playing Tennessee and they're both in the top twenty

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this weekend. I don't believe that's ever happened before. Meanwhile,
we've got NFL to talk about, because tonight the Rams
became the team that's alone in first in the NFC
standings nine and two. They've won six in a row.
The defense only allows seventeen points a game, best in
the NFC, and then they gave up only seven tonight,
thirty four to seven, the final over Tampa Bay, which

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not only falls to six and five, but Bucks quarterback
Baker Mayfield, down thirty one to seven at the half,
did not return due to a sprain left shoulder. He
had one touchdown two interceptions. Tampa Bay running back Bucky
Irving still out with shoulder and foot injuries. Matthew Stafford
had three touchdown passes in the first half, two to
DeVante Adams pukin Takua seven catches ninety seven yards. It

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was looking like Philadelphia was on the way to nine
and two this year. They were up twenty one nothing
at Dallas late first half. Jalen Hurts three total touchdowns
and the Cowboys came back to win twenty four to
twenty one on a field goal on the final play,
a forty two yarder by Brandon Aubrey, who had missed
a fifty one yarder in the third quarter. Philadelphia missed
from fifty six yards out. Today, Saquon Barkley finished with

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ten carries twenty two yards rushing one fumble. He did
have seven catches fifty two yards. Jacksonville won in overtime
at Arizona on a fifty two yard field goal. The
Cards then failed to score on their possession. Kansas City
was trailing at home twenty to nine to the Colts
with nine minutes left in the fourth quarter. Chiefs beat
him in ot twenty three to twenty. Detroit in overtime

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beat the Giants thirty four to twenty seven. Giants have
lost six in a row. Jamier Gibbs on fifteen carries,
had two hundred nineteen yards and three total touchdowns. That's
like a Derrick Henry High School game. The Cleveland Browns
won at Las Vegas twenty four to ten in a
matchup of two to eight teams. Gino Smith was sacked
ten times three by Miles Garrett. In fact, I saw

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a stat Miles Garrett's up to eighteen sacks this season.
The only guy who's had more at this point of
a season was Hall of Famer Reggie White, who had
nineteen at this point.

Speaker 4 (01:14:09):
Of the ease.

Speaker 8 (01:14:10):
Now, granted, an individual sack has only been an official
stat since nineteen eighty two, so Deacon Jones is never
in these kind of stats, but still very impressive, especially
the last month, and also just in the NFL in general,
what I just mentioned, we not only had three overtime games,
three comeback overtime wins with Dallas, Detroit, and Kansas City.
So how many games have we had in the NFL

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this year where the winning score comes in the last
two minutes or overtime. The answer is forty seven different games,
the most through Week twelve in the history of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
That's great.

Speaker 8 (01:14:44):
Atlanta and Green Bay each one, Seattle and Chicago with wins.
Baltimore won its fifth straight New England won its ninth
straight game. Cal fired football coach Justin Wilcox after nine
years there and never finishing above five hundred in conference
play whatever conference. He went forty eight and fifty five overall,
including a loss at rival Stanford last night. Will Cox

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is still owed over ten million dollars. But I guess
with the payoff UCLA has to give him, they can
just send it straight to the coach. Ron Rivera is
Cal's football general manager. By the way, assistant Nick Rolovich,
now the interim coach at California and Florida State, says
coach Mike Norvel will return next season. The Seminoles record
is five and six in the last two years, they're
three and thirteen in the ACC Norvell would have been

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owed over fifty million dollars to pay him the money,
that's why. And they would still owe his assistance a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
Yeah, didn't want to give them money.

Speaker 8 (01:15:35):
It just makes a good business too. I mean, geez,
didn't didn't they play well against Alabama? I might missing
something here From the beginning of the season, how things
change back to you.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
And by the way, you had we mentioned will Cox.
So justin Willcox get gets fired at cow Nick Rolovich
replaces him. Was fired at Why do you remember why
he was fired.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Because he wouldn't take the COVID.

Speaker 8 (01:15:58):
Yeah, the COVID thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
And so now he gets hired at Cal, which the
university might be a little bit left of Hawaii, but
there you go. Just Nick Rolovich, who was a candidate
for about every job until that twenty Yeah, pumped up
the name.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
Then he would not take the vaccine.

Speaker 8 (01:16:16):
And by the way, cal As a cousin of the
UC school University of California in Berkeley. UCLA is paying
off cal because they left the PAC twelve. That's right,
put them in dire straights. There were people on the
UCLA radio broadcast last night going at length back and
forth at the end of the game of whether that
was UCLA's last game at the Rose Bowl ever so far.

Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
I think it'd be cool.

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
It became public that UCLA's investigating playing at the Ram
Stadium where the pro game was tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Interesting, there is a long.

Speaker 8 (01:16:49):
Term contract with Pasadena.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
Just for the record, Yeah, they'd have to pay to
get out of that too. So what'd you have that
you needed to get into Arnie before we break run
a little? It was just real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, it was real quick because we were talking about college.
You know, when Arizona has a great year, I hate
when we have to play Boloney teams in good Bowl games,
which is what's going to happen this year, SMU or
garbage teams like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
That's where you went to the playoffs last year.

Speaker 2 (01:17:14):
I hate playing no name Boloney teams like SMU. I
really think we should be rewarded. I hate playing garbage
teams like that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
Right, that's Arnie Spanier on Chris Plank when we come
back that This segment is next on Fox Sports Radio.
All right with Arnie and Plank here on Fox Sports Radio.
Glad you're hanging with us as we recap week twelve
of the NFL. A little bit more on college football
coming up too, but it's time four.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
That is segment. Steve Desager's in the house.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
What you got, Steve, you.

Speaker 8 (01:17:42):
Mentioned college football. Of course, we'll get the new Playoff
Committee rankings Tuesday, but Oregon is up to number five
in the new polls. Top four stayed the same, both
poles led by Ohio State, which is at Michigan on
Fox this Saturday. The highest ranked team in the polls
in the ACC is Miami at number thirteen, a team
that may not even be in its conference final. Georgia

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Tech fail to number twenty three, and among the group
of five teams, James Madison is number twenty in ap
North Texas twenty one, and Tulane number twenty two, one
of them will get the last playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
But wow.

Speaker 8 (01:18:15):
Current bowl projections have BYU against USC in the Alamo Bowl.
Projection also that Arizona will play in the Sun Bowl
against either Clemson or wake Forest.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
No, come on, that's worse than ASMU. Clemson, what a
Boloney team they are?

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Oh my god?

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
And Wake Forest do they play football? Come on?

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
Is every team that you're going to be projected against
the Boloney team?

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
Come on? Is Tim Duncan on the team? Stop it stop?

Speaker 8 (01:18:47):
The Citrus Bowl projection for New Year's Eve is Michigan
against Vanderbilt. And San Diego's Holiday Bowl the projection is
Georgia Tech against either Washington or Arizona State. The Raider
news tonight after losing it home to Cleveland and losing badly.
I mean they were down twenty four to three in
the fourth, twenty four to ten the final. Yet another

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bad game, and the Raiders fired offensive coordinator Chip Kelly
in his first year. AP in the Bay Area points
out that the Raiders have had fourteen head coaches in
the past twenty plus years, only one excuse me two
have had a winning record. Two if you count Rich Bassacia,
who went seven to six. The other, Jack del Rio,
was just above five hundred and In the last twenty

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plus years, the Raiders have had twenty seven different guys
start at quarterback. One has a winning record, and that
was Jason Campbell. These Raiders the past month, they've goned ten.
They've gone three straight games allowing at least four sacks
and rushing for under seventy five yards. Only one team
since the merger has done that in four straight games,

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and that was Hugh Jackson's one in fifteen Cleveland Browns.
This offense is putrid. It's even worse than the Jets
or the Vikings. And if you've seen those offenses that
should raise an eyebrow. It's those teams are getting at
least two hundred eighty yards a game on average and
twenty points a game. Raiders fifteen points a game this
year and two hundred and sixty nine total yards per game.

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It's not bad on the positive side. The day that
Jamir Gibbs had to win the overtime game for the
Lions against the Giants, on his overtime touchdown run sixty
nine yards, he was clocked at a max speed of
near twenty two point two miles per hour. He now
has three of the top four speeds by any ball

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carrier in.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
The league this season.

Speaker 8 (01:20:37):
And he did something today that only Ladanian Tomlinson has
done in an NFL game where a running back has
at least ten catches and two hundred yards rushing and
three touchdowns. It was a monster effort.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
That was quite the performance.

Speaker 8 (01:20:52):
Quite the performance today on only fifteen carries two hundred
and nineteen yards.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Wow o, way, Arnie, Tony the tiger Son, Come on,
Baby Clemson or maybe Wake fours.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
That'll be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
I want a big name.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
When we come back to the Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 8 (01:21:07):
Studios, they're not that happy about Arizona.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
We'll get into what we learn and what we know
and even what we think.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
After week twelve, it's already in playing Thanksgiving week Fox
Sports Radio. All right, final hour, the Power Hour here
on Fox Sports Radio. Hope everyone's getting geared up for
a big holiday week. It's gonna be a fun one.
Thanksgiving is always one of my personal favorites.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Some big games too, some monster games.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Monster games in both the NFL and in college. They
think the Cowboys Chiefs Thursday game is going to break
all kinds of viewing records for TV ratings fifty million
regular season. Yeah. And then college football wise, I mean,
you've got the Egg Bowl, which could be Lane Kiffin's
final game as the Ole Miss head coach. Georgia Georgia

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Tech is suddenly big on the Friday after Thanksgiving. You've
got the Lone Star Showdown that's back between A and
M and Texas, Ohio State Michigan this weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
What, of course up on the air during Arizona Arizona State.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
Oh are you on the air Friday night?

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Yeah? So the game starts at nine Eastern. I go
on the air at ten o'clock eastern. It's tough for
me to concentrate.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
It's gotta suck that there's not as much at stake
for you guys as there is for Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
But no, the officials took that from us. Every year.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I mean every year it seems like you're blaming number
seventy five or whatever the official was, number whatever it
might be. All right, after a week twelve of the
National Football leagueuse we head into a big week of
great games at both the NFL and in college.

Speaker 3 (01:22:40):
Army span you I know this where do you want
to start?

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
I will I'll start where I left off with Todd,
because I don't think you guys quite understand what I
was trying to say. Maybe I didn't do a good
enough job. The favorite for the AFC right now to
go to the Super Bowl is a team that's not
even in the playoffs right now, and that's the Kansas
City Chiefs. It is so wide open when I talk

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about good value for gambling wise, Like, take the Chargers.
Who's in the playoffs right now? What do you think
the odds are they are to win a Super Bowl
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Chris?

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
What do you think for the Chiefs?

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
No, the Chargers? The charge Oh, for the Chargers? I'm sorry, Well,
I mean did you watch the Chargers the last time out?

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
Well, you're getting good value, That's why I brought them up.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
Well, what are they like plus thirty three hundred or
something like that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Forty forty to one? Oh wow, forty to one. So
it being so wide open in the AFC, I'm thinking
to myself, why not take a chance at a forty
to one, fifty to one something like that? Maybe with
a Jacksonville Buffalo. I wonder what I can get with
Buffalo right now. I'm looking at I'm looking at FanDuel.

Speaker 1 (01:23:51):
I just pulled it out. And again I don't know
what the official one. It is not legal in my state.
It's got them at plus thirteen hundred to win the
super Bowl. That's winning the Super Bowl for who?

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
For who?

Speaker 3 (01:24:02):
For Buffalo?

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
But thirteen wow?

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Yeah, But that's just now for the for the playoffs,
I mean, obviously it's a much different story. I mean
their minus seven hundred right now. But if you're looking
to win the super Bowl, that's the number right now
for the Buffalo Bills. That's winning the super.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
Bowl, not just value.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I don't know if you can bet. I don't know
if you can bet just getting to the super Bowl.
I don't know if that's out there or not. But
as far as winning it, Buffalo is plus thirteen hundred
right now. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
I don't have that in front of you, so I
don't know. That must have changed.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Oh yeah, what do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yeah? Yeah, I see it now. I had the Chiefs
was the favorite though at ten the one.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
And out of the AFC, that would be the way,
see right, But I would counter with this, You say
that says it's my more wide open. I say, it
just says that it's not it's a matter of the
Chiefs getting in and everyone else is in big trouble.
I mean, if you're if you're on the outside looking
into the playoffs and you're still the favorite to win
the super Bowl out of your conference, right, I mean

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that to me says there's not a lot of betting
market faith in anyone else. And I won't pull back
and say I'm still learning about this, right, I think
we all are every single day. But there's also got
to be some concern about liability if you put that
number where you truly believe it, because I'm sure the
books don't want to get burned by making the Chiefs
in that area of I don't know where they should

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be right where say Houston is right now plus four
thousand and win to super Bowl or Tampa Bay and
plus six thousand, because they know that the Chiefs have
done it and they're capable of it with Mahomes. So
they probably got to keep that number lower too, just
because of the potential liability too, right, Right, And you're
right about that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
That's why they don't want to get burned. They could
easily get burned if the Chiefs make a run and
everybody's betting the Chiefs are like fifteen or twenty to one.
Oh my goodness. Could you imagine how much would be
at stake for something like that? I saw the Cowboys
might not be a bad value at one hundred and
twenty five to one or one hundred and fifty to

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one win the Super Bowl. That's some good value there.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
How about this after Week twelve in the National Football League?

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
I know this, There is going to be a lot
of airtime here on Fox Sports Radio over the next
five days. What does Cleveland play on Sunday over the
next six days? Spin about Shador Sanders? And you know
that there's people licking their chops on the TV side
to be able to dive into this tomorrow because they've
just been waiting to. And here's my thing I've learned.

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And I want you guys to listen. I know if
you don't listen anything tonight, I want you to listen
to this. If anyone tries to tell you that the
Browns found their quarterback of the future, they did not
watch the game yesterday. I mean, I love what he did.
Would you give him like a CE?

Speaker 3 (01:26:44):
Plus?

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
I gave him a B plus.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
I said, I'd be more to seize to a degree
a C plus, which is fine. Which it's his first
game starting as a quarterback. I hope everybody just calms down,
because if we can just have a level head a
response and say, the Raiders are really bad.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
He made a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:06):
But I worry that people are going to see the
one fifty yard pass and be like, oh my gosh,
he's the greatest thing ever and just lose their mike.
Don't everyone turns on dudes, the t Bows, the arch Mannings,
the should or Sanders of the world, because we just
can't let it be what it is. We've got to
try to turn it into something different. And well, I'd

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be excited if I'm a Browns fan. There ran the
football real well, Dylan Samson looked awesome today, but it
was the Raiders, and the Raiders are in a really
bad spot right now, and Shador probably threw about three passes.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
It should have been picked. So who Sanders?

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Who would get the start? If I if they said
Sanders and Dylan Gabriel both one right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Now, well, I mean, I guess you got to give
it to should Or after that right after they won
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
It just don't be he looked the average at best.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
There. Yeah, he did look average. I mean again, I
watched the whole game. Man, I don't know what they
saw in Dylan and that they didn't see in him.
And I don't know what practices look like. And I'm
not one of those nerds that was taking practice counts
of percentages. But I mean, he did just win a game.
So I mean, if you're gonna go with a hot
hand theory, don't you go with that?

Speaker 2 (01:28:17):
I guess you do. But if he was hot enough,
that's the question. Is it enough to go ahead and
replace the quarterback? By the way, I do know who
your quarterback for the Raiders are going to be next year. Okay,
I don't think you're It's an improvement, but I don't
know how much of an improvement. He used to be
a big time improvement, but now I don't know how

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much of improvement he is. Okay, you want to take
one guess? No, Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 1 (01:28:46):
I listen, I'm watching Gino Smith play this year.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Would you think Shawn Watson would you take GiB or? What?

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Did you see him wearing sunglasses all games?

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Today. Know, maybe he has a concussion and there's light sensitivity,
but you are you are inside, it's a dome. You
can't see what sunglasses on, and it don't I mean again,
and then they all did you hear the glowing report
that they had on? I know you didn't because everyone
wasn't watching this stupid game like I was today exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:29:19):
Oh they had And I don't know who this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:29:21):
This guy's got the greatest radio voice I've ever heard
calling the game first down. I don't know who this
guy is, but he was him and Ross Tucker on
the callin Ross is a rock star, And at one
point it was, Ah, there's Deshaun Watson. He's got of
a mentor to these guys. I'm like, what he's a
what he's a mentor to chanor Sanders and Dylan? What

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are we doing in Cleveland right now? Looking forward to
getting back around the team. It's like, so, I don't
know what his future is, Arnie, I don't. He wasn't
that good when he got on the field last year, right,
He wasn't very.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
Good last year, but he was He was certainly good
for the stops before he came to Cleveland. That's why
he got all that one one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
I just I'm so down right now.

Speaker 1 (01:30:03):
You could throw Mac Jones in there, and I'm like, yeah,
that's an improvement. So I don't even know what to believe.
Right You could throw Tom Brady, Well, Tom Brady might
be an improvement over a lot of quarterbacks in the league.
You can tell me you're gonna be Carson Wentz and
I think it's an improvement right now. But Deshaun Watson's
going to be a very interesting story this offseason. You
know what, if Derek Carr decides to come back, does

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he become an internal story this offseason? I don't think
that's scoring that happened.

Speaker 3 (01:30:27):
Well, then he would be just as viable as Deshaun Watson.

Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
I'm not so sure about that. Deshaun Watson, we forget
about how good he used to be.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Well not, you know, not the same year that you're
talking about when Deshaun Watson was so great, Derek Carr
was an MVP candidate.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
I mean, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:30:47):
Talking about Deshaun Watson and you're you're sitting here waxing
the style you wanted to be the next quarterback of
the Dolphins. Do you know the last time do you
know the last time that he started a whole season,
It was twenty twenty. He hasn't really played in five years.
He was one and six as a starter last year.
I mean, I just again, I'm not a fan of

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him based on everything that happened off the field, But
I'm also not just gonna banish someone for mistakes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
I think that he's got a life in the NFL. Still.
You see quarterback needy teams out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
There right now, A whole bunch, all bunch all right
after Week twelve.

Speaker 3 (01:31:26):
I know this, maybe it should be I know this.
I think you're right. I think the Bears are good.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
And listen again, I'm not here to reign on Jonas's
parade or anything, but they're I can't tell if I
should be impressed at they're eight and three or shocked
that they're not three and eight. I mean, they had
no business beating the Raiders, the Commanders probably shouldn't have
beaten the Bengals in that crazy comfort behind win, had
no business beating the Giants. That's four games right there.

(01:31:54):
You know, that's the difference between what eight and three
and four and seven Right now? But they took care
of business against the Steelers who were down, who were
down their starting quarterbacks. So you don't want to get
too carried away. But I feel like we're gonna learn
a lot about the Bears on the road Friday against
the Eagles. This is the Black Friday game that's on Prime.
But I mean, the Eagles are down, the Bears are

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on a high note. They won four straight games. I
feel like Friday is going to be a fascinating game.
But Arnie, I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:25):
Think the Bears are good.

Speaker 1 (01:32:27):
Figure it out.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
You know one quick thing on that, when you say
the Bears are playing Friday after twelve weeks, I know
this week thirteen is probably the best week of NFL
games ever. Only one game is pretty much meaningless, and
I think that was Atlanta and the Jets. Otherwise, every
game will have some type of significance for a playoff run.

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I think the only other game maybe you wouldn't care
for is the Dolphins and the Saints. But other than that,
everybody else has a significant say in the playoff run.

Speaker 1 (01:33:05):
You were just gonna slide right by the Dolphins and
Saints had some sort of playoff Every game has playoff
relevant except the Jets and the Falcons.

Speaker 3 (01:33:15):
Well, the Falcons are still alive for the division, believe
it or not.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
I mean that whole division is still kind of alive
right now in the in the NFC South, let me see,
let me just double check that. Yeah, I mean there
are only two games out of first right now, and
they played both those teams still this season. So the
Dolphins Saints game is the only game that doesn't have playoffs.
Oh but you never know, right, I'm not sitting here.

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I'm not trying to dismiss you.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
I think it's crazy this morning to row like I
told you you didn't believe me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
Well, that's right, because it hasn't happened.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Yet, wrote us off. We didn't right back.

Speaker 3 (01:33:48):
Gosh, after week twelve, I know this. You can't kill
the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
You guys can keep trying to h They could be
down double digits in the fourth quarter. That might not
be a big deal to some of you, But when
you were playing as poorly as the chief swore against
a parent Super Bowl contender on the road and you
come back and you win, that's a big deal to
me also, ARENI After week twelve, I know this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:08):
I think the Cowboys got their signature win today.

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
You kind of saw signs of them maybe getting a
little swagger when they just dominated the Raiders on Monday
Night football. But this Thursday night game, I don't get
two carried away because there's still after that five games
ago in the regular season. Could that be a playoff
elimination game for both those teams? I mean if the Chiefs,
if the Cowboys win, they're like, whoa, Okay, they're right

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in this thing. But if they lose, that's probably a
third game they need to make up. The Chiefs could
be in a situation where if they lose, that's suddenly
a two game deficit to try to make up in
the AFC and not just one. Again, maybe being a
little overly dramatic, but I think that game on Thursday
is going to be incredible with the stakes. It could
be well with the stakes that we know that are
out there right now, with both teams fighting for their

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playoff lives.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
And by the way, the Pittsburgh and the Texans both
have tiebreakers over Kansas City if they finished with the
exact record, so they have to finish with a better
record than those two teams right now.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
All right, anything else you want to add and what
you learned from Week twelve or even Week thirteen of
the college game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:09):
Just you know what, I think there could be a
few upsets in week thirteen, Week twelve of the college
again Thursday, the college Week thirteen, there's Monster Monster games. Yeah,
coming up this weekend. I can't wait. I love Thanksgiving
because I mean, you got the games on Thursday, you
got our Friday Saturday, and you got the rivalries. I

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love this type where you know, you got the Egg
Bowl and stuff like that. I live for this type
of year.

Speaker 3 (01:35:36):
Yeah, and Ohio State Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:35:39):
With Ohio State trying to break that curse, but Michigan
is still very much alive for a spot in the
Big Ten title game.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
In the playoffs, Oklahoma can clinch against LSU.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
I mean you're a big favorite over that. When you
know you see the one.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
Nine and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
I so I'll put it ten I think and a
half half, Yeah, ten and a half, ten.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
And a half. Now, I just I don't know what
to expect from LSU. They're very talented, they got dudes everywhere,
but kind of looks like they might have tapped out with.

Speaker 2 (01:36:03):
You you see the UCLA USC line, that's crazy. Twenty
and a half point favorite seems like too much. I
know the UCLA quarterback Nico, he got hurt right in
the game against Washington, so I don't I don't know
what status for that game.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
Yeah, Niko Iamliava. They lost forty eight to fourteen to
Washington on Saturday night with the worst fake field goal
you've I saw that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
I'm like, what the I had to watch it like
three times? Like am I watching this right? What the
hell happened there?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
They've played They've played Indiana, Nebraska, Ohio State, and Washington
after they'd won their three straight games and everyone was
losing their mind. Yeah, in those games, UCLA has been
beaten fifty six to six, twenty eight to twenty one,
forty eight to ten, and then on Saturday night against Washington,

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you know, forty eight to fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Real quick, because you mentioned it last hour. I think
things will change for them and they'll get better athletes
once they get out of the Rose Bowl. And I well,
no disrespect to the Rose Bowl. Once a great venue,
unbelievable venue, and it's still gonna be a great venue
for like a bowl game, but that have UCLA play there,
it takes like an hour and a half to get there,
so far from campus. It's done at that intimate setting

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like you want, with like a lot of the other
campuses out there. I really wish they could have put
it on campus where the track is, but they say
it's too much and it's too difficult. I think once
UCLA gets to so far, they'll be getting a lot
better athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
Right now, Right there, you go, what we learned. Let's
hit what you guys have next. Hit us up on Twitter.
That's Arnie. It stinkin genius one. I'm at Plank Show,
and everyone go follow us at Fox Sports Radios. Arnie's
picks right around the corner and to Seger's update here
in moments right here with Arnie.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
And Plank on a Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:57):
All right, we are cooking on a Sunday night into
a holiday week Monday here on Fox Sports Radio. Jay
Glazer tweeted moments ago, but he talked to Chip Kelly quote.
Kelly was fired tonight by the Raiders. I'm grateful for
the opportunity with the Raiders. Bottom line, in this league,
you have to win. I really love those players. I'm

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a huge, huge gino Smith fan. That was one of
the best parts of this experience for me, working with
Gino and those guys every day. But hey, we gotta win.
I get it. And the very first response to this
on Twitter said interpretation, I'm six million dollars richer and
I'm leaving this shole piece out.

Speaker 2 (01:38:40):
Is he gonna retire? Is there something next for Chip Kelly?

Speaker 1 (01:38:42):
Oh, there's always I mean, he can go back to
college he wanted. Last time, he was an offensive coordinator
in college, he won a national championship with Ohio State,
and he decided, I man, I don't think he'll be
a head coach again. I don't think he'll be a
head coach again. But I could see him being an
offensive coordinator in the college game. I mean, do you
think you'd be a head coach again?

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Maybe have a smaller program, you know what I mean,
kind of like the way Moore took over at Yukon
or something to that effect. What did you think about
James Franklin signing things up with Virginia Techa.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Thank it's good higher Yeah, and the amount of money
that they're giving him to spend allegedly, If I'm any
coach that was fired, if I'm Brent Prize, who was
fired to be before him. I'm like, well, that's not
really fair, which is also interesting because whenever, whenever James
Franklin was at his best. This is such a nerdy stuff,

(01:39:36):
I ply, But the guy who got fired, Brent Prie,
was his defensive coordinator. So I wonder if Brent Pribe
would come back to Virginia Tech be like, hey, well
you're paying me this buyout money, I'm going to be
the defensive coordinator for your new head coach who I
was a defensive coordinator with for a long time at
Penn State. I think he was there for seven He
was with James Franklin when he was at Vanderbilt from
eleven to thirteen, and then was with him every year

(01:39:58):
at Penn State outside of the three he was the
head coach at votech So maybe story worth ketting and
eye on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
And you are on the record for saying you think
Gwayn Kiffin is gonna stay at all miss right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
I don't know. Oh, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
I've changed my mind just like he probably has.

Speaker 2 (01:40:12):
Because I was going to say, isn't that ship kind
of sailed? Because when you wait this.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Long, I think everything's still on the table, dude. I
think when you wait the song.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It's kind of like an insult. That's like you asking
out a girl to the prime and she goes, let
me get back to next week and see if anybody
better ask me. And if no, if nobody better ask me,
then I'll go with you. It kind of get the
same feeling there, Chris.

Speaker 1 (01:40:37):
Yeah, but you're still waiting, aren't you. Yeah, I mean
you're still gonna go. She calls you back and say, hey,
I want to go with you. All three jobs are
offering the same money. All three jobs are allegedly offering
the same amount of revenue for your roster, though some
say maybe LSU is tipped a little bit more. It

(01:40:58):
kind of just comes down to where he to go,
and no one has a good beat on it. I
will say it's very weird. The announcement by the ad
that says, well, we'll have something after the egg Bowl.
It's like, what, yeah, that's Friday. I mean, don't you
want to Because I don't know about you. I wonder
how it's going to affect playoff rankings, right, because there
is this wild theory that some say, if he decides

(01:41:20):
he's going to LSU. Ole Miss would be like, all right,
well you're done. I mean, we're not gonna let you
coach in the playoffs if you're leaving to go somewhere else.
But I just I can't fathom. I can't fathom that
they would lay out, hey, we're going to talk about
this and announce it on Saturday what his future is
because to me, orn't if he was standing at Ole Miss,
when you just go ahead and announce it, now, would.

Speaker 2 (01:41:40):
You let him coach if he was saying I'm not
coming back, would you? I didn't finish out.

Speaker 1 (01:41:44):
I would just because I think they're the best team
I've seen in person this year. They're really good. They're
really Trinidad Chambliss is an absolute beast, and I know
that they haven't done anything in a couple of weeks
because they had a bye week and then they played
I don't know, some FCS team, but I think they're
really I think they can make the championship game. I

(01:42:06):
think they could win it. I think they're that good.
So if I was Old Miss, i'd probably let them
keep coaching.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
I didn't work out for Michigan when they let their
basketball coach go, right, before the NCAA tournament, and there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
They're also going back to nineteen.

Speaker 1 (01:42:20):
That's the best I could.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
No, I'm just saying what I've used, but I'm just
saying a lot of things have changed since then.

Speaker 1 (01:42:25):
All right, before the Sagers update, let me hit a
couple of these tweets that have found its way to
us at steink Genius Wannament playing show. LJ is always
here to remind you of one thing. Yeah, he called
the Patriots. He hits us up with this. The best
record in the NFL belongs to the New England Patriots.
I told you in the preseason to watch out for

(01:42:46):
them this year, but I didn't expect this. They still
have a lot of work to do. However, unlike Miami,
the future is bright.

Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
You know, we talked about can you imagine, you know,
being a home playoff games? Not that the Patriots, you know,
or starting for home playoff games, but how about a
home playoff game after Tom Brady is gone? The new
eerr has started and they're gonna have a playoff game,
home playoff game without Tom Brady?

Speaker 3 (01:43:12):
Could, should, will probably happen.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Colin Wrights, as a Packers fan, I'm not sure what
to think defense is mostly solid and shows elite flashes,
but the offense is one dimensional and overly predictable. Team's
still young, but just not seeing real growth. I'm starting
to doubt Lafleur, especially his play calling.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
And how long is Jacob's out for now with the injury?

Speaker 1 (01:43:37):
You know, Josh has a little history with missing time
due to injuries. I think they said, what three weeks
and then a reevaluation? Ouch? Ouch, let's see here, what's
I could have miss misspoke there, but he did. He
missed the second half of the Giants game. He was
hoping not to miss any time, but he is out.
He pushed all week to play, but the Packers decided

(01:43:57):
to play it cautious. There was no pregame workout, just
a conversation. Though. They're holding out hope he can go
at Thanksgiving. Listen, if he didn't go today, he's not
gonna play on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Why not? I mean, how many more games you get
to miss? The only six left?

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
I mean, that's if you didn't even go through a
pregame warm up and that's four days away.

Speaker 2 (01:44:17):
Didn't they say Burrow's gonna be playing the next game.

Speaker 1 (01:44:20):
Though, allegedly, Yeah, allegedly, But I mean they could have
played him today because they had activated him on that
window and they thought, oh, you know, never mind, now,
why bring him back?

Speaker 3 (01:44:30):
I mean bringing back to get hurt again.

Speaker 2 (01:44:32):
I was gonna say, wehy bring it back now. There's
no reason you're not going to make their playoff r I.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
Forget it anywhere, mister Nobody. It's after midnight on the
East Coast. It's my birthday and I'm still listening.

Speaker 2 (01:44:44):
Well, happy birthday, mister anybody, birthday, mister Nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
And he adds two others here, The Raiders' offense doesn't
get fixed unless Gino gets binched. I don't think that's
happening because obviously Kenny Pickett sucks. And given how Florida
State doesn't care about its fans by bringing back Mike Norvel,
I'm wondering why I should continue being loyal.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
Yeah how about the vote reasons?

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Yeah? How about the vote of confidence this weekend for
Mike Norvel at Florida State. And then the team that
Arizona just blasted Baylor, Dave Aranda, their head coach at Baylor, got.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
A vote of confidence too. So just very very weird.
And compege.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
Well, I saw that Florida State didn't want to pay
him the fifty million, But you can't come out and
say that rag they did, didn't they Wasn't that one
of the reports that they're like, We're like, we're not
going to pay him off that type of buddy, What
are you crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:45:32):
I don't think anyone wants to come out and say
that in the college world, especially whenever you have all
these places like A and M and Penn State.

Speaker 3 (01:45:40):
They're just like, yeah, here's fifty mil.

Speaker 1 (01:45:42):
Go away. But yeah, I mean, it would make a
lot of sense to say we don't want to spend
that money. And then, finally, before the Sager's update, why
hasn't the bar for rookie to thirty year players, especially
quarterbacks come back down? From a media standpoint, this is
a very good question from the missing link. Joe Burrow
had one spectacular year his second season. Nothing since Tua

(01:46:03):
hasn't been good. So in other words, I mean, are
we gonna start calling these guys out when they stink?

Speaker 3 (01:46:10):
I feel like we do, don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
Not?

Speaker 1 (01:46:14):
Enough?

Speaker 2 (01:46:15):
Like? Okay, remember remember who I gave the CJ Strout Award.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Two CJ shroud, didn't you? Wasn't that who won it? Oh? No,
Jane Daniels, that's right, sane.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
Daniel's gonna get it next year, right, but he's been
hurt this year, so we'll give him a little bit
of a break. Let's see if he's gonna go back
to his rookie year or if he's gonna go back
to the second year. Guy, I'm curious see how that's
gonna play out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
And Arnie's picks are riding around the corner. But when week?
But first, before we do that, Steve Seger has one
final update for us before he starts his Thanksgiving week.
What's going on? Steve working Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (01:46:46):
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:46:47):
I am working, but not here on Thanksgiving. I will
be back in studio on Friday and Saturday and Sunday
and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
You're gonna give you Thursday off.

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
I didn't know that us off. I just he gave
you Thursday off and then chose to work with who
is it again? VJ Zanili the husky over me? Yeah,
that's he gives you the day off and and punts
me great. Oh no, I'll be here fro it. My
poor daughter need a new pair of shoes can't get
enough because Arnie chose Husky over me.

Speaker 8 (01:47:15):
We'll all be watching Arizona State. You mentioned that the
Packers are playing on Thanksgiving this Thursday at Detroit. They
each have about the same record, and then the game
after that is Chiefs at Cowboys and they each have
about the same record. And then there's the Bengals at
three and eight at the Ravens of the night game
on Thanksgiving. The Ravens have one five in a row now,

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so they're over five hundred. And the Ravens at the
moment are leading the division race because they haven't lost
a division game and the Steelers had at the moment,
that's the tiebreaker.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
But by the way, the SEGA they say fifty million
on the Kansas City Dallas game.

Speaker 8 (01:47:52):
You know that's like Alabama Ohio State, isn't it. I
mean they each get huge ratings individually and they don't
play each other often. And then when it's a holiday
on top of that, because I think when it was
Chargers Dallas it was thirty million.

Speaker 1 (01:48:06):
I mean, these are too much.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Do you can't get down?

Speaker 8 (01:48:10):
Fifty million is like, you know, a playoff conference championship.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Typeliday too but it's a.

Speaker 8 (01:48:15):
Holiday and nobody's going anywhere. By the way, the Black
Friday Game, which is streaming only unless you're in Chicago
or Philadelphia. It's a battle of eight and three teams,
the Bears at the Eagles this Friday. The NFL standings
include at the top of the NFC the Los Angeles
Rams at nine and two alone at the top. Since

(01:48:38):
Philadelphia gagged the lead at Dallas today, Rams kicks straight. No,
that didn't end well at Chicago, Okay, a little bit better.
They at least played a great Super Bowl Rams over
Tampa Bay thirty four to seven. You know, Vince Ferragamo
beat Tampa Bay to go to the Super Bowl season.
Matthew Stafford, who's an MVP candidates, Boy, have you seen

(01:48:58):
the last two months? Three touchdown passes in the first
half tonight two to DeVante Adams thirty four to seven.
The final Bucks QB Baker Mayfield down thirty one to
seven at the half, did not return sprain left shoulder,
is what his coach says. Dallas was down to Philly
twenty one nothing late in the first half and still
beat the Eagles twenty four to twenty one on a

(01:49:19):
field goal on the final play. Dak Prescott over three
hundred and fifty yards passing three total touchdowns, George Pickens
nine receptions on nine targets one hundred and forty six
yards and a short TD. It was the largest comeback
win in Cowboys' history. Here, Philadelphia had only had four
turnovers all season, had two in this game. Philly had
been seven to one against NFC teams. Blew this game

(01:49:43):
against the division rival, not just any NFC team. Jacksonville
in overtime won at Arizona twenty seven to twenty four.
Cardinals had tied it late in regulation on a short
field goal. Jacksonville wonted on a fifty two yard field goal.
The Cards then failed to score on their overtime possession.
Lawrence three touchdown passes, four turnovers. Tight End Brenton Strange

(01:50:04):
of Jacksonville off injured reserve, had five catches ninety three yards.
Cleveland won at Las Vegas twenty four to ten, sacking
Gino Smith ten times three by Miles Garrett Ashton Gentia
the Raiders fifty yards rushing. He did have eight catches
fifty eight yards and a touchdown, but the Browns had
been zero to five on the road two to eight overall,

(01:50:24):
had Shador Sanders making the first start. Raiders had thirteen
penalties and on third down conversions were four for seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
Thirteen penalties too.

Speaker 8 (01:50:34):
Yeah, it just doesn't end. The Raiders fired offensive coordinator
Chip Kelly tonight. Atlanta ended a five game losing streak
with a twenty four to ten win at New Orleans.
Kirk Cousins two touchdown passes, one interception the winning team
the Falcons twelve drives, thirteen first downs, nine penalties. Quarterback
Michael Pennix is due to have ACL reconstruction surgery this week.

(01:50:56):
Alvin Kamara of the Saints left today's game with the sprain.
Taysom Hill had ten carries just seventeen yards and was
ozh of two passing. Tyler Schuck sacked five times two turnovers.
Saints are two to nine. Overtime win for Kansas City
against the Colts, overtime win for Detroit against the Giants,
and Seattle held on thirty to twenty four at Tennessee,

(01:51:17):
which has lost six in a row. One to ten
record for the Titans Jackson Smith and Jigba has already
set the Seahawks franchise record for most receiving yards in
a full season. He's over thirteen hundred yards receiving and
they haven't even played thirteen games yet, but he broke
dk Metcalf's franchise record today today in this game, eight catches,

(01:51:39):
one hundred and sixty seven yards and two scores. And
most amazing to me is this guy has had at
least seventy five yards receiving in every game, all eleven
games to start a season that had only happened twice
since the nineteen sixties. Tyreek Hill had that kind of
start with Miami a couple of years, and Julio jo

(01:52:00):
OANs had a season in twenty eighteen when Atlanta where
he had this many yards receiving At this point of
the year, the guy's been sensational. Green Bay over Minnesota
twenty three to six while Josh Jacobs was out with
the knee injury. Emmanuel Wilson got twenty eight carries, one
hundred seven yards and two scores. At Chicago, Caleb Williams
three touchdown passes beating Pittsburgh thirty one twenty eight as

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Baltimore won its fifth straight twenty three to ten. Was
the final over the Jets. Derrick Henry two short TV
runs in the third quarter and New England won its
ninth straight game. Twenty six twenty at Cincinnati, tight end
Hunter Henry seven receptions one hundred and fifteen yards in
a score. The Patriots are six and zero on the road,
the only undefeated road team in the NFL. Cal fired

(01:52:44):
coach Justin Wilcox after nine years there. Florida State sits
coach Mike Norvel will return next season. NBA Oklahoma City
seventeen and one. After beating up Portland, Shay Gilgess, Alexander
scored thirty seven points in thirty minutes. Lakers got thirty
three points from Luka Doncic in a win at Utah
on one oh six. Phoenix and Atlanta each one. Cleveland

(01:53:06):
and Toronto as well. Kevin Duranta the Rockets is reportedly
out for two games due to a family matter and
advancing to Major League Soccers East Final where Miami and
New York City.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
Back to you thanks a lot, Steve.

Speaker 1 (01:53:18):
By the way, if you're already looking at Tankathon, you're
already wondering where your.

Speaker 3 (01:53:22):
Team's draft slot would be.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
The current draft order looks like this the Titans would
still have the number one pick after last year. The Giants,
I guess have the tiebreaker. They're at number two, followed
by the Saints.

Speaker 8 (01:53:37):
Kind of the reverse tiebreaker.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
Yeah, I guess that's the bet. I don't know the
exact terminology, but it reverse tiebreaker works. The Saints at three, which,
again with those two teams in front of you, would
be the first place where maybe a quarterback would go.
But the Saints at three, followed by the Jets at four,
and the Raiders at five, six through ten, Browns Washington, Cincinnati, Arizona,
Miami at ten, and the Rams would have the eleventh

(01:54:02):
pick right now of Saga because of their trade with
the Falcons.

Speaker 8 (01:54:05):
Falcon's got an edgdresser we've never heard of still change pears.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
By the way, some guy that does the job like
the Saga. Does you know the SEGA works for the
Chargers and does the NFL games.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
It's called a statistician spot or something.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Yeah. Whatever got in trouble today for making an error
and it influnds the game today. Wait eight, the NFL
admitted a mistake on a roughing the kicker call and
they're blaming the error on Fox for not providing a
timely replay.

Speaker 8 (01:54:35):
Actually they're blaming it on the video people.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
How is that what you do?

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Isn't that what you do the sega? You do the
video video.

Speaker 8 (01:54:42):
I do not work in video. This is an audio meeting. Yeah,
the NFL did said they didn't have access to a
close up like that, And it was a few plays
later that Fox got one and showed it and said,
oh my god, it should have been a penalty for reffing.
He actually got a piece of the pun.

Speaker 1 (01:55:00):
Good stuff. By the way, the Bears have the second
worst point differential fro an eight win team through eleven weeks.
I'm not a big point differential guy.

Speaker 8 (01:55:10):
But it's like Florida State in college with a lot
of losses and outscoring, and the Bears are getting a
lot of wins and getting outscored.

Speaker 1 (01:55:18):
I mean, it just doesn't I'm sitting here, I'm looking
at it right now and I can't find them. The
Bears are in first place. You can offer three point.

Speaker 8 (01:55:27):
I can offer one reason. Best in the league in
turnover margin. At one point today it was a plus seventeen.
Compare that to the Raiders and some others. You know,
the Jets. I think it's the Jets. Yeah, they still
have one takeaway the entire season. They played eleven games.
It does make a difference. Turnovers unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:55:46):
All right, well it is that time, ladies and gentlemen.
It's Arnie's Picks. They're coming up next, as well as
the tweets of the night right here on Fox Sports Radio.
All right, great job tonight and Mary Mac great job.
Great job by Patrick Sweegar, producer, got us Todd Firm,
and tonight hooked us up with all the great audio
that it in play my bad Ben Maller will have
it all coming up next, and of course the millions

(01:56:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:56:10):
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takes you don't like. Just search Fox Sports Radio on
YouTube and subscribe today. Any big Thanksgiving plans for the
span your family now that you're all moved.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
No, they're all going up to Vermont. My son's up there.
My wife is driving up there.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
Wait, mine, you moved to Yukon, so now you're going
moved to Connecticut, so now you're going back to Vermont.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
We're all going up to Vermont. I'm staying down here
in Connecticut and working Thursday Friday, so I'm kind of
just just going so over.

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
So how do you how does that happen? It's a
three four hour show. How do you get to get
all this time to yourself for that short amount of And.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
My wife's even Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and not coming
back till Sunday. So I made her take the dog.
I told her I couldn't take care of the dog
because it's too much for me. So she's taking the
dog with her.

Speaker 1 (01:57:26):
You're disgusting.

Speaker 3 (01:57:27):
What can't take care of your own?

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
I can't take it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
The one gone.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
The dog wants to take like a walk at four
in the morning, I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
Go take a walk with them.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
You don't have anything else? What else do you do
during the day.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
I get off the air at two o'clock in the morning.
I can't be getting up at four in the morning
to take the dog for a walk.

Speaker 3 (01:57:45):
One day you get off at two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
Well, but I gotta fill in Thursday Friday. The dog
is gonna be barking. I gotta feed the thing. I
gotta keep it a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:57:56):
Yeah, what a terrible dog under you?

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (01:57:58):
All right, stinking Gene, he's taken away. What do you
have on your picks this week?

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
We got a lot of games to get to. Let's
start in the NFL Thursday game. Real quick, Oh, excuse me,
Monday game. Jumping ahead of myself. Give me San Francisco
minus seven against Carolina. Now let's get the Thanksgiving Day
I'll take Detroit minus three against Green Bay. Give me
Dallas plus the three and a half the riding high
against Kansas City. And I'm gonna take Cincinnati plus the

(01:58:25):
seven against Baltimore Friday. I'll take the Bears. Am I
getting seven Chris against Philadelphia? That's crazy, but I'll take it. Now,
let's get the college I like Mississippi State plus the
seven and a half against Old Miss. I'm gonna jump
on Georgia Tech plus the thirteen and half against Georgia
thirteen and a half. Yeah, yeah, that's a lot of points.

Speaker 1 (01:58:47):
Made me knock everything over here. I didn't realize it
was that large of a spread.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
I like Texas plus the two and a half against
A and M. You know, I'm taking my Arizona Wildcats
against ASU. We should be played for the Big twelve championship. Sure,
give me Ohio State lay in nine and a half
against Michigan. I'm gonna take my Oklahoma Sooners lay in
ten and a half against LSU. I'm all over UCLA

(01:59:16):
plus twenty and a half against USC. And give me
Alabama minus five and a half against Auburn. So there
you have my picks. Do them as you please, no
longer strictly for entertainment purposes only, So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:59:32):
You know, Auburn's breaking out their new quarterbacks so pretty
good last week. I think that's gonna be a good
game between Auburn and Alabama. It's just weird things happen
in those rivalries, though, I will say I kind of
thought weird things would continue to happen in the Florida
Tennessee rivalry.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
Tennessee kicks snot out of them on Saturday night. But
it should be a fun weekend. I think for college
football fans, this is the best and worst week of
the year. It's the last week of year because you
get all the big games and you get all the
big rivalries. It's the worst because it's the final regular
season week at college football. This is it, this is it.

(02:00:10):
You got conference championship games the next weekend. You got
playoffs at start, you got Army Navy that followed. But
I mean, it's it's it's over. This is the final
week of the college football regular.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
SEASONO quick, way too quick.

Speaker 1 (02:00:24):
It's the shortest season and the longest offseason. Even though
kudos about the NFL and college and becoming relevant year round. Now,
I mean from free agency in the NFL to the
trade dead well not trade deadline. What am I trying
to say, Like the June first cuts and things of
that nature, to the draft. College football is like the
equal now because college football has its own free agency

(02:00:46):
as well.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
All right, well, enjoy the time to yourself.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
I mean, it's gonna be rough being away from your
what Stanley, your dog, because you can't the whole two
days you're working this week, you can't take them out
for a walk, so enjoy it. Big Ben Mallor is
coming up next. Yes, big news tonight. I'm sure everyone's
gonna be talking about it. Chip Kelly out as the
Las Vegas Raiders offensive coordinator, Breaking news here, Las Vegas

(02:01:11):
still sucks. So for the stinking genius, I'm Chris Blank.
Have a great Thanksgiving week. We'll see you next Sunday
Night on Fox.

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