Dan Beyer and Brian Noe talk CFP Expansion and LeBron James!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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I would argue, Brian, though, that it would be difficult
to find two bigger college football fans on this network
then you or me.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
There's some that are equal, but.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
I would have a tough time maybe finding someone who
loves college football more than you and I.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
And we come.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Out on completely opposite ends of the spectrum in one
of the biggest spories stories in sports this week, and
that's not just the fourteen team buy being proposed for
the College Football Playoff, but it's the first round buys
that could possibly be headed to the SEC in the
Big ten. Good afternoon, Happy Sunday to you, Brian, No.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Same to you.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Dan Byer, I'm happy to be here with you, and
we are on polar opposite ends on this issue, and
it sounds like we're first taking it here, you know
what I mean, Like you take this position, I take
that position. No, it's how we honestly feel about the
first round byes. We are on completely opposite ends to
the table here.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
In the news that came out this week were that
the SEC and the Big Ten, we're saying, hey, if
we're going to have first round bys, then they should
go to the champions of our conference. And now you're
getting pushed back from the ACC, and push back from
the Big twelve, and heck, maybe even push back from
the Group of Five, and push back from Brian know
who wants absolutely nothing to do with it. And I

(01:44):
actually think it's really the only fair thing to do
in this new world of college football, that sooner or
later people are going to have to accept that this
is what it is. And just the SEC and the
Big Ten are so stacked right now in entering the
up coming season that if you look ahead and you
look down the road, there is no way that you

(02:04):
can argue that the SEC and Big Ten are even
close to the other conferences, so they should be getting
first round byes, and it is actually something that makes sense.
Am I not loved the fourteen team bracket, but let's
be real here, the SEC and the Big ten are
going to be light years ahead of these other conferences
and deserve a first round by if it does go
to fourteen teams.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Okay, the first thing I think of is where do
I slot among everything else that you mentioned? You know,
am I like the Big twelve is over me? But
am I slightly ahead of the group of five in
terms of my annoying voice.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Just banging the table like no, this is stupid.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Here I go to a quote from Mike Gundy, head
coach of Oklahoma State, and I love how he said this.
He says, quote, a playoff format that guarantees a first
round by to any team, division or conference before the
season starts is unheard of in any sport as far
as I'm aware. Based on the premise proposed, a team

(03:04):
could be undefeated and ranked number one in the country
and still not receive a first round by because teams
were awarded one before the season even began. Like end quote, Yes,
Mike Gundhy absolutely shout out to you.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
And your mullet. He is right on that. He's on
top of this one.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Like, I don't understand why if more times than not
you would have an SEC team or a Big ten
team earn the first round by.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
Why would that need to be predetermined? Just earn it
on your own?

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Why is that slotted? Can you imagine if we did
this in the NFL. What if they said before a season, Hey,
whoever wins the AFC West you get a bye, and
whoever wins the NFC East, you guys get a bye.
And they'd be like, well, the Niners, they actually have
the best record in twenty twenty four in the NFC,
that doesn't matter. We already predetermined that the winner of

(04:02):
the NFC East would get the buy. That makes no sense.
Should I believe there's no chance at all?

Speaker 2 (04:09):
There are year seats, Brian know where there are two
top teams in a conference and one of those teams
is the second seed in the AFC and would have
to play a first round game, while someone in the NFC,
guess what gets a first round by and it's because
of the conference that they are in, Like there are parallels.
Mike Gundhy doesn't realize that there's an actual parallel to

(04:29):
what he's talking about. He's mad that this would be predetermined.

Speaker 5 (04:33):
It would be trevy.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
It would be predetermined that the Big Twelve gets two
automatic qualifiers in the bracket before the season even begins.
Like that sounds absurd. The Big Twelve, no matter how
crappy your conference may be, you're not only only gonna
get one with a champion, but you're also gonna get
another team in there. When the SEC or the Big
Ten may have five or six schools better than the

(04:55):
second team in the second best team in the Big Twelve,
they're already pred determining things. So it's not a new thing.
It's not that they're making it up. That's where Gundy's
point is. Often in the NFL, you gotta have two
of the best teams in the NFL. Colton Patriots, you
know for years manning against Brady, Well, guess what if
it was under this format, one of them would have
had to have had a first round opponent, because the

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team in the NFC that had the best record gotta
buy Because that's what's set up. That's all that the
Big Ten of the SEC are going to be light
years ahead. And if you have a conference where you
have a twelve and one team in the Big Ten
or SEC, their schedule is going to be so much
better than what would be a Florida State scenario that

(05:37):
we have to face, the unbeaten scenario that Mike Gundy
talks about. That's what they're trying to avoid is well,
look at the zero in our lost column. Well, you
only played Clempson this year.

Speaker 5 (05:46):
Well that's you gotta earn it. You gotta earn it.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Last year Washington was number two, like going into the
College Football Playoff, that was a Pac twelve school, that
was a non Big Ten, non SEC school, and under
this proposed format of like automatic buys, they wouldn't have
gotten a bye. So the number two ranked team wouldn't

(06:10):
have gotten a bye that goes to the top two teams.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
That makes no sense.

Speaker 4 (06:15):
The NFL, they don't have pre determined buys.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
You earn it, like that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (06:21):
If the SEC and the Big Ten have a representative
that earns it, great, have ad it.

Speaker 5 (06:27):
But to determine that.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Before the season, as if what Florida State couldn't be
number one or number two, Clemson couldn't be number one
number two, go on and on. They can't teams that
could be up there, like they can't earn a buy
even though they're ranked number one debts.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
That makes zero sense.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
And the reason that they can't is like it or not,
it's what college football is. When you have the Big
Ten in the SEC so stacked and you even mentioned
this bracket. What are the four teams that made the
playoff this past season now have in common? They'll either
be in the Big Ten or the SEC. And the

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gaps that were between the Pac twelve and the ACC
and the SEC over the past years, we're I don't
want to say negligible, but you could argue there was
a point where we thought maybe the Pac twelve was
the best conference in football this past year. Well, now
you lose USC, Oregon and Washington and then UCLA to
the Big Ten. The Big twelves champion was Texas. They

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now go to the SEC. There's just no way that
you could take those losses of those schools. And I
love Utah, I love what Kyle Winningham has done. Arizona's
obviously going under some change with Jedfish no longer there,
but they had a great season last year. Them going
to the Big twelve and Dion Sanders coming in is
not enough to close the gap that the SEC and
the Big Ten have made by the additions of those schools.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
I don't know why you want to predetermine that though.
And that's the thing is, if you look at the
SEC or the Big Ten, it's impressive the top team
that they have, but they still have teams that are
in the middle. They still have bottom feeders. You could
pick any school you want in either conference. They don't
play the best of the best the conference has to
offer from top to bottom. They've got some middle tier opponents,

(08:14):
they've got some bottom feeder opponents, and it's going to
be comparable to the schedules that other teams play in
other conferences not named the Big.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Ten or the SEC.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
So play it out and earn it. You don't have
anything predetermined.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Do you think that the ACC then would say, all right,
we will do away with our automatic qualifying bids because
we want the opportunity for our potential champ to be
to get a first round by.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I don't know what they would say, but I know
that you can have your cake and eat it too,
you know what I mean? Like this idea that we
should just go along with the predetermined first round byes.
I'll tell you this, Dan, I'll meet you a slightly halfway.
It sounds like we might be on the same page
maybe on this one. I hate that in this fourteen
team playoff ort, we would have eleven automatic qualifying spots,

(09:05):
we'd only have three at large bids. And regardless of
the conference it could be whatever, Big twelve could be,
Big ten like to automatically qualify two or three teams
depending on your conference. What if you don't have a
team that's in the top fourteen and you automatically get
a seat at the table.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
I don't like that either.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
That's Louisville and the ACC this past year. You know,
they play in the ACC Championship game. And that's the question, like,
does the ACC with the ACC want to risk only
having one team maybe being their Numero Uno thirteen and
oh squad getting that first round buyer? Would they rather
have two institutions automatically be placed in the bracket. And

(09:47):
I think that's what the Big ten and the SEC
are saying is they're saying, listen, the gaps between our
leagues and their other leagues are significant. We are we
we understand that that if we're going to give them
two automatic qualifiers per league, that we at least need
something a little bit more, because there could be a Michigan,
Ohio State Washington scenario and here's Oregon sitting there and

(10:11):
they watch Louisville get into the bracket instead of the
Ducks because you know that could play out, or Oregon
in a Penn State because now you're also competing with
other SEC teams. That's where Gundhy was wrong in this
and saying that this has never happened before, but it's
actually happening within the bracket. To your point, Brian, they
should just take the fourteen best teams and if you

(10:32):
wanted to keep one from the group of five, then
move that in. But when you start as signing automatic qualifiers,
you're then limiting the power of the actual powers in
college football. And I don't know if people are just
so anti against the fourteen. I know you and I
don't love it, but it's the reality of what college
football is is there is just going to be a

(10:53):
huge enormous gap between what the SEC and the Big
Ten provide and the ACC and the Big twelve. And
that's where I actually think the big ten in the
SEC are like, you gotta at least give us this.
If we're allowing you guys for automatic spots, and maybe
two of those would already be earned, but they're sacrificing
other things. They want something off the top. And if

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it's the top two seeds, I think it's only fair
for how far ahead those two leagues are going to
be past these other conferences.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
I hate all of this, and I love college football, Dan,
I would if we're going to twelve teams. We've talked
about this, I'll give you the cliff notes version. I
would like to see the five and seven model, and
they have that.

Speaker 5 (11:35):
That's what we have for two years.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
And I would love to see home games throughout the
playoffs except the title game, just like the NFL. That
would be amazing to have every game at a home stadium,
way better than a neutral site in the semi final
round or what have you. Right, I would love that
if we expand it to fourteen, because we've got to.

Speaker 5 (11:53):
Have more money, more money, more money.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
If you had a five plus nine, I'd much rather
have that. I'd rather have five spots. You win your conference, Okay,
you get a seat there and you know we have
nine automatic like nine at large bids earn your way
in there.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
I hate this and I don't think that the Big
twelve or ACC want that because they are Look at
what happened to Florida State, right, I mean, you lose
Jordan Travis. And I know this is not to say
that the Big twelve or ACC will have, you know,
to lose their starting quarterback. But another reason what was
so difficult was Florida State really kind of just hung
their hat on the win against LSU, you know, at

(12:31):
the start of the season, like that was the one
that you can point to where their conference didn't provide
much resistance outside of of what you had. Again, Louisville
was their opponent in the conference championship game.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Michigan.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, they had to play Io win the conference championship,
but the week before they played an unbeaaten Ohio State team.
And so that's where I think like the ACC and
where the Big ten of the SEC also realizes if
you are the ACC, yeah, you kind of got to
accept what it is and it's a power plan. I
think we all kind of have to. Like there's we
could be mad at the fourteen team system. And it

(13:06):
may be we may be mad at the Big Ten
and the SEC for doing it, but in terms of
what they're asking, it actually isn't as big of an ask.
If you realize what the landscape of college football is
about to become.

Speaker 4 (13:17):
It depends how you look at it, Dan, because I
could see it one way. Basically, what you're arguing is
you could have sixcess SC teams, Yes, fourteen team playoff.

Speaker 5 (13:27):
It could happen.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
And so by saying, hey, we only have three where
you're leaving some you know you're leaving, you're negotiating against
yourself a little bit, right. But if you say, well,
then okay, you got to give us a perk where
we get an automatic buy us in the Big Ten,
it's like, well, play that out.

Speaker 5 (13:46):
You've got.

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Whoever gets those buys, you've got a huge advantage that's
predetermined where you have to win three games to win
a title, while every team that doesn't have a buye
has to win four against the best competition the sport
it has to offer. That's a drastic difference, especially.

Speaker 5 (14:03):
If you didn't earn it. You know, if you end
up being number one or number two, I don't have
a problem with it.

Speaker 4 (14:08):
But if you're the fourth ranked team and you get
an automatic buy just because of your conference affiliation, what
are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (14:16):
It's they look greedy.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
They sound greedy because of how they've shaped this, and
it looks like they're asking for even more.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
But again, like the I bring this inn arean, as
you bring it up, the SEC may feel that they
would want six teams in the bracket. Yeah, and that's
not going to happen if you allow the ACC and
Big twelve to have an additional automatic qualifier outside of
their conference champion.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
And yeah, so it's it's and listen, we're in a
spot now and this is this is reality. We are
going to be arguing if in this and I know
it's difficult to go un beaten in college football, but
you're gonna have thirteen and zero and a Big twelve
or an ACC against a twelve and one in the
SEC and the Big Ten, and it's it's not like
it was this past year at all, and where you

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can say it's clearly like the twelve and one in
the SEC and the Big Ten will likely be better
than any thirteen and zero because of the quality of
wins those leagues put up against the Big twelve in
the ACC.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Well likely yes, certainly no, And the format is saying
certainly it will. And that's what I disagree with, Like,
just let it play out. If you earn it, you
earn it. I think this, and I'll say it fast,
and I think this is the bigger picture. And this
is why I hate all of this stuff is because
I see the SEC and the Big ten. They're already

(15:37):
starting to throw their weight around here and they're saying,
we need this first round by we should get X
amount percentage of the money.

Speaker 5 (15:47):
We need.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
This is we need more automatic qualifying spots. We need,
we need, we need, And one of two things gonna happen.
Either they're gonna get it and I don't like that outcome,
or they're not gonna get it and they're gonna say, hey,
why do we need all of you guys anyway? Sure right,
you're episode it's really headed.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Yeah, yeah, yes, you know, take our demands and accept them.
Otherwise we'll go off and do our own thing.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
And then where does that leave the ACC? Because where
does Florida State want to go? Where would Clemson want
to go in such a power position, and it just
it sounds dirty, it sounds weird. It just I mean,
we were just coming off of the heels of the
twelve team announcement and now we're saying fourteen. And then
you add on that that the Big Ten of the
SEC want buys. I get it, I get the you know,

(16:32):
the the sticker shock and seeing that. But it's the
reality of what college football is about to become. That's
why they actually probably should be asking for it.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
I hate it.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
I hate it, Dan, because it goes against everything that's
made college football special. We're going to sacrifice some of
the meaning of the regular season to have more teams
in the playoff.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
We get that.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
But to then say, hey, even before we've teed it
up for the first game, we already have the SEC
and the Big Ten. Those are the byes, like those
are the automatic buys anybody whoever the top team is
in those conferences. That goes against everything you and I
have watched since we've been alive.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
I hate all of that.

Speaker 4 (17:12):
It sucks for Mike Gundy to say it's unheard of,
Absolutely for Sunny Dykes at TCU saying it's preposterous, totally
with them. Love those words. And they're absolutely accurate. When
you look at college football from a historical standpoint, this
goes against everything it's been forever.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
H Hey, roll the dice TCU and see if you
get that second bit. If you don't win the conference,
and we'll see then we'll see how things go. He's Brian,
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I have a feeling on the heels of our previous argument.
A lot of people on the Bayou are going to
be on my side because they sure as heck believe
in LSU team fourth in the SEC would be better

(19:02):
than a second place Oklahoma State team in a fourteen
team bracket, and in the scenarios that are being laid
out that there could be a scenario where LSU would
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be there, great great hosting city. It's it's truly is
of all the cities we know, Indianapolis can put on
a party. San Antonio does a great job with the
final four, Las Vegas and what they have done. But
this city mentioned when you're talking about big time sports
events and then know how to put it on, it's
New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
Absolutely. I've been there a couple of times. Love it
in New Orleans. And like you said, super Bowl fifty
nine there and shout out to LSU. And if they're
fourth in the SEC, I got good news for you. You're
gonna get in that large bit problem solved.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
You're in.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
What about their fifth? What about it they're sixth today.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
Fifth or sixth? You still got a shot.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
True, it is true, and knowing how we look at
the SEC, maybe it's better than others. Then the big
ten will sit be sitting there smarting and in throwing
tantrums is a big ten guy. I do know that
those things happen. But welcome again our brand new affiliate
one O six point one the Ticket in New Orleans.
So happy to have you along. We are so happy
to be your teammate here on Fox Sports Radio. Lebron

(20:48):
James last night made history, although I don't know if
it's history, Brian, because this mark that Lebron James hit
last night is like the person in your life that
throws apart already for Arbor Day. You're like, well, why
are you throwing a party for Arbor Day? Well, I
just like throwing parties. Hav any reason to throw a party.
And then you're like, all right, cool, no problem. Like
forty thousand, like if he's already scored the most points.

(21:10):
I don't know what the forty thousand point threshold actually means,
but Lebron James passed it last night and again as
humble as ever in making a mark in the NBA,
despite losing to the Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 7 (21:25):
To be quite honest with you, everybody wanted to see
me fail. When I got to the league. Everybody was
just like, it's not it's no way he's going to
be able to exceed, you know, the expectations that's put
upon him.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Okay, I missed that part, Dan.

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I missed the I was. I thought I was alive
in three h four.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
I was, But I also may have missed this part
where everybody was cheering against him.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Well, the first thing, I like what you said about
throwing a party, you know, getting to forty thousand points
right there. It's kind of like Sinko to Sace. You know,
if you throw it's just sure a block party. It's like, okay, okay,
we can run it back.

Speaker 5 (22:07):
I guess.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
But yeah, Lebron, listen. First off, it's an amazing accomplishment.
And I swear only Lebron could say something so stupid
to take away our focus of how amazing this milestone is.
What is he talking about? Everybody wanted him to fail.
His games were on his high school games are on ESPN.

Speaker 5 (22:28):
You think the.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
NBA executives were like, man, oh, if only this guy
from Akron who has monstrous hype could not live up
to it and just fail miserably, that'd be awesome for us.
This is I think Dan, and you mentioned it. If
you think about the social media day and age, and
of course Lebron he brings out the venom and a
lot of people if you get a steady diet of that.

(22:51):
I think sometimes you just believe that's what the masses
think instead of a small segment of So maybe that's
gotten him to think this, But there's no chance that
everybody wanted the guy to fail from the beginning.

Speaker 5 (23:04):
That's not true at all.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Here's here's where I like think like Lebron misses at
times anywhere it's all all about him, Like when he
passes Kareem for the all time scoring mark, he's in
a Laker uniform. You could be very humble. You can,
you know, keep your praises on Kareem. I get it,
Like nobody else has forty thousand points. There's nobody else there,
So there's nobody that you could pass it along to.

(23:27):
But what you can do is saying, like, I think
forty thousand points is a testament to you know, my
long career and I wouldn't have a long career if
it wasn't without great teammates, with great coaches, with great trainers,
with everybody who's helped me along the way. I mean,
this starts when I was just coming into the league.
Then you name a couple of people, I think that's
the proper way to do it instead of saying you

(23:49):
all counted me out forty thousand points that are boom
in your face, boom roasted.

Speaker 4 (23:54):
Yeah, I just had a flashback with you saying that.
It made me think of Kevin Rant and not that
long ago he passed Hakeem Elijahwan on the all time
scoring list, and he just had a funny story where
he was like, my mom had a crush on Hakim
when I was growing up, and he was like, whenever

(24:15):
you pass one of the greats, it's awesome, and he
just kind of reflected on like his mom and the
game itself, and it was just like a cool moment.
It's like, Hey, I'm happy for KD to reach that milestone,
and we should be like that with Lebron.

Speaker 5 (24:32):
But Lebron, I swear, could write.

Speaker 4 (24:34):
A book in hustling backwards when it's one of these like,
oh ah, you guys wanted me to fail. No we didn't,
and that takes our focus away from an amazing accomplishment
that only one guy on the face of the earth
has accomplished.

Speaker 5 (24:48):
That's that's really bad. I was.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
I was in Cleveland in the summer of three and
bought a bunch of Lebron James stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Was I a Cavs fan?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Heck no, yeah, right, there's no reason due but yeah,
that's where you know, I loaded up. And I would
have to think that there are a lot of other
people like me, and you know, and and the point
as well is when he talks about people being against him,
it wasn't until the heel turn of the Miami Heat,
maybe a bit, but they were still they were underdogs

(25:17):
in the finals, you know, to the to the San
Antonio Spurs in two thousand and seven, and they ended
up getting swept in that series. And I still think
that there was a lot of love for him, but
it was the heel turn when he ends up going
to the Heat, that changes some of the narrative. And
even still with that, there are a lot of people
who still followed him. And then he you know, mended
the hearts back in Cleveland. So this a lot of
people listen, A lot of people said that he wouldn't

(25:40):
be able to do this because it was unthinkable. I'll
give him credit in the in the fact of to
have somebody live up to the hype like he has, right,
just very very few have done.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
But I feel that we've said that.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
That's not hating, that's just I think having realistic expectations
of what you would think in NBA career would be.
I don't think anybody thought forty thousand points. And if
he didn't say it in two thousand and three after
he was drafted, you're a hater. Just it's you know,
he's had such an amazing career. I don't know how
anybody could have thought he would have done this right.

Speaker 4 (26:12):
And that's the thing is, I mean, think about it
from Lebron's perspective for a little bit, where he has
for his whole NBA career gotten a steady diet of
not as good as Jordan, not as good as Jordan, right, repeat, repeat, repeat.
No one thought anyone would pass kareems Mars. Sure, well,
most people did. Maybe there was a couple here or there,

(26:33):
but for the most part, the masses never thought that
mark would be reached. And he got there and then
got to forty thousand points. That's insane. But there's a
big difference between us being skeptical, like could anybody live
up to the hype that Lebron had coming into the
NBA and saying everybody wanted me to fail, Like that's

(26:54):
there's a big difference between those two.

Speaker 5 (26:57):
So I'm just trying to see it from his point
of view.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
If he goes on X and starts, hey, let me
check out my mentions, and it's just like you this
and you that, and you're not Jordan it you get
that for two decades, you might start to think, man,
the masses are against me, But it's not the reality
that everybody wanted him to fail.

Speaker 5 (27:17):
That was never the case ever since he's been in
the NBA.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
I think more than not, if you just break it
down percentage wise, Dan, I think more have wanted him
to succeed than to fail. That would be a true debate.
But to say everybody wanted him to fail, that's not
even close to be in the.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Case again, and he brought it upon himself with the
decision that I actually think was great for the NBA.
It wasn't great for the Cavaliers, but it didn't make
him that villain up until that point. I remember that
overtime game against the Pistons in Game five of the
Eastern Conference Finals, It's one of those games that you
get wrapped up and he started cheering, you know, cheering
for the person, and you had no dog in the fight,

(27:56):
you know in it. I mean, Chris Perherfet's a you know,
Pistons guy. I don't mean to exclude you from this,
but that's amazing basketball. When he's young in his career.
You may dislike him as a Pistons fan, but there's
no there's no hate or wanting him to fail at
any point.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (28:12):
I went to that Cavs parade, did you?

Speaker 5 (28:14):
And they won?

Speaker 9 (28:14):
When they won that, I was living in Toledo at
the time. I even got asked by the local stations Leo,
why I'm going there because I was working there. I'm like,
I'm never going to see anything like this again. He's
an icon. He's something that is unique to the culture.
And I got to experience that with millions of other
people who just swarmed Cleveland that day. That was a
piece of history. I don't think I would ever root
against that.

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Was that when JR.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
Smith was shirtless, Yes, what I did, so, I was
at the rally point.

Speaker 9 (28:41):
What I didn't know is the barrier broke the minute
they left the queue, and that's why it was taking
hours for them to get to the actual rally during
the parade.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
You know what, I'll say one thing real fast here, Dan,
because I just started thinking about it.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
You could identify with this.

Speaker 4 (28:57):
As a radio guy, I call some of the listener's joysuckers,
you know what I mean, where sometimes you finish the
show and then you go on X and it's.

Speaker 5 (29:05):
Like you suck where's the normal host? You know what
I mean?

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And Lebron has had to deal with a lot like
countless joysuckers over the last twenty plus years while he's
been in the NBA, and I hate that.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
I hate that.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
For as accomplished as he is and how much he
loves the game of basketball, there are joysuckers in bulk
that come along with that, and I hate that. But
that's the reality of it. But still it goes way
too far to say everybody wanted to see me thing.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
It's even worse when it comes from your mom. Sorry mom,
just kidding. I was just kidding.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
Your mom is like a show.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, I've mentioned it before. She has given me tips
since she has told me. You know what, I didn't
agree with that point, but She's never said that show stunk.
Get a new hosts in there. She's never said that.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
It's never been one of those I disagree and you're
a sad excuse for a human being.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
She hasn't taken it to that level.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Has not said get Bernie Fratto in that chair. She
has not said that yet. Right yet, maybe you shall say,
get Manzy Bolanos in that chair. Maybe maybe Manzy that
could be the case. Monty is here to give us
the latest of what is going on, what's happened in
Monty on what.

Speaker 10 (30:18):
Sorry, I'm trying to watch the Clipper game and trying
to give an update and trying to comment on what
you just said about Lebron James Brian, Hi, guys, you
know I would be fine if people were what would
you call them? Fun suckers?

Speaker 5 (30:28):
Would you joy?

Speaker 11 (30:29):
I went joy suckers? You know, here's the thing. Lebron
is a billionaire.

Speaker 10 (30:33):
We would all be okay if people were joysuckers against
us if we had just a little bit of the
millions that Lebron has. So that's the only thing I
think is different. But the Clippers have extended their lead
over the Timberwolves in Minnesota, eighty two seventy eight is
a score less than five minutes to go in the game.
Kawhi Leonard twenty seven points, Anthony Edwards twenty five points.
The Celtics Warriors game has been over since halftime, but

(30:56):
it's still going and Boston is on top one twenty
eight to eighty one, four.

Speaker 11 (31:00):
And a half minutes left in the game. None of
the starters are in.

Speaker 10 (31:03):
But Steph Curry took nine three pointers and didn't make
a single one. He only made two shots from the field,
so yeah, I know, zero.

Speaker 8 (31:10):
Of nine zers.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Threek is there like a game streaker?

Speaker 11 (31:13):
Did he remember? He broke like he lost it. He
was on a streak for a long time.

Speaker 10 (31:17):
And then he went a game without hitting a three
pointer and so that big, big long streak he.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Had it tweeted you saw Steph Curry.

Speaker 11 (31:27):
Exactly what happened earlier.

Speaker 10 (31:29):
Today, Luka Doncic dropped a triple double, but the MAVs
lost at home to the seventy six ers one twenty
to one sixteen.

Speaker 11 (31:36):
Caitlin Clark dropped thirty five points today.

Speaker 10 (31:38):
She became the Steve Steve Hartman hates this, but became
the men and Women's all time NC double A leading
score as number six Iowa defeated number two Ohio State
ninety eight or ninety three excuse me to eighty three.
On Fox, we got the NASCAR Cup Series still coming
from Las Vegas. We're officially in stage two and after
one hundred and forty two laps, Kyle Larson is in

(32:01):
the lead, with Kyle Busch right behind him and Denny Hamlin.

Speaker 11 (32:04):
In third place.

Speaker 10 (32:05):
So far, in the NFL, the Miami Dolphins are likely
unlikely to use a franchise tag on defensive tackle Christian Wilkins.
It would make him an unrestricted free agent, and the
NFL Network reports that the new kickoff rule crafted by
NFL Special teams coordinators would allow teams to attempt an
onside kick only when trailing in the fourth quarter, and

(32:27):
it would require them to declare it in advance.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
H So do I declare bankrun like Michael Scott?

Speaker 11 (32:36):
Michael, Oh God, so good, that's so good, thanks to you.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
No surprise onside like Sean Payton in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
We can't do that.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
These rules are so fun declare.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
These rules are so funky that I thought about adding
them to our show list. It would take up a
whole segment just to be like if the that, but
this than that.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, it's it's a mess.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
It's it's they're gonna be more confusing than the overtime
rules in the playoffs.

Speaker 8 (33:08):
Why they move up to the forty yard line is
what I want to know.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Like, they don't want thirty Yeah, they don't.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
They don't, Well, they don't want it would be the
opposing It would be up the thirty yards. You'd be
in plus territory. They don't want a thirty or twenty
yard head start. They only want five or six yards downfield.
That's all they want. So you would be across the
fifty yard line under this new proposal.

Speaker 9 (33:31):
The whole thing about the XFL kickoff is they had
solved it. They had figured out how to make it interesting,
to take away a lot of the injuries from it.
And now the NFL is like, we want that, but
also we want touchbacks.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
Still. I don't it's weird, you know, I don't hate
the XFL rule.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
We only had twenty two percent of kickoffs that were
returned last year in the NFL twenty two percent.

Speaker 5 (33:54):
It was a touchback fest.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
So if you give us the XFL rule, Like you're
explaining Dan and you actually get kickoff returns. I'd rather
have that than what seventy eight percent being touchbacks.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
That's just not a good product at all.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It's just confusing to figure out because some would go
back to the to the twenty, some would be to
the thirty five. So it just, oh kay, that's silly.
That part is layers upon layers. What is in silly
is what Monzi has to say.

Speaker 3 (34:23):
She's got.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
According to Monzi plus, has one part of the NFL
completely eaten up. Another part may sound weird, but we'll
explain coming up in a little bit. He's Briban now,
I'm Dan Bayer Relive from the Tirek dot Com Studios.
That's next here on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Sunday.
He's probably no, I'm Dan Bayer relyve forth Tireraq dot
Com Studios again, big Welcome to our brand new affiliate

(34:45):
in New Orleans, the new one to six point one
the Ticket teaming up with Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Happy to be a part of that team. Hit Brian
up at the No Show.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox, and
you can find Monzi Bilanos at Monty Bilanos and you
can find her right now, Corn, and now.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
It's time for absolutely that's it's according to Monsei.

Speaker 5 (35:08):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Yeah, Monsey, are you going to be able to do this?

Speaker 11 (35:15):
I think so?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
He listen, listen, I'm sorry, it's a regular season NBA game.

Speaker 11 (35:20):
God, fine, man, we're talking about good he's.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Freaked out because the Clippers are off one of the Timberwolves.

Speaker 11 (35:25):
With thirteen seconds left.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Try it on your favorite teams, like down three in
an NCAA tournament.

Speaker 5 (35:31):
Yeah, eighty seven to eighty six.

Speaker 8 (35:34):
What are we doing today?

Speaker 10 (35:36):
Well, the Boston Celtics scored already enough for everybody, so
you know, we're just trying to balance it out.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh, that's it, got it, all right, let's get down
to it.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
According to Months, is the.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Juice really worth the squeeze with Caleb Williams?

Speaker 11 (35:48):
All right, listen.

Speaker 10 (35:49):
Caleb Williams has been described as a generational talent.

Speaker 11 (35:52):
I've been hearing this for months and months. He's incredible.

Speaker 5 (35:55):
I see it.

Speaker 10 (35:56):
He's got raw talent. But is he ready to be
the face of a franchise.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
That's a big.

Speaker 10 (36:00):
Responsibility that requires a lot of maturity, and it's like
being in a relationship where the most important things are
communication and trust. His communication has not been the best.
After losing to UCLA, he refused to speak to the media.
I hate that he refused to shake hands with Utah.
He's at the Combine, not participating because he says there's
plenty of tape for people to watch, and he refuses

(36:21):
to do the medical examinations with the team. It's believed
by CBS Sports that he's the first player at the
Combine who's been invited to decline medical exams.

Speaker 11 (36:29):
He doesn't have an agent.

Speaker 10 (36:30):
Maybe that's why he thinks it's okay, but it's hard
not to see it as entitlement. It's reported that he
has made over ten million dollars in nil money. He's
been described again as a generational talent, So maybe he's entitled.
But how's it going to fit in a locker room
full of men, some of which we had had to
work incredibly hard to make a small percentage of what
he already made as a college player. I don't think

(36:51):
the attention that the media has given him is helping
him either, because the expectation is almost too high, Like
will this game his game translate to the NFL? If
he is surrounded by a better team, because that's what
the expectation is.

Speaker 11 (37:04):
But is he gonna have a chance to actually learn
and grow?

Speaker 10 (37:06):
Does he have the maturity a guy who painted f
utah on his nails to be the face of a
franchise and become a team player.

Speaker 11 (37:14):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
Maybe the S stand for fabulous Utah.

Speaker 11 (37:17):
Yeah, sure, that doesn't fit on his fingernails.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
I listen, if you're not shaking hands, if you're not
doing the press conference, that's one thing. But in this
whole about to be a pro process, you have to
do what you think is best for you to make sure,
especially because of where he is.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I have no problem with any of that stuff.

Speaker 4 (37:37):
According to Monsei, I just want to know if Bob
Benson is shooting daggers in your direction right now. According
to Monci, Gilbert Arenas is proof that not everyone needs
a podcast.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (37:49):
I know, this guy thinks that because you're European players
don't bring guns into locker rooms, it means they're soft. No, no, no,
that's not the reason the defense has gone down in
the NBA.

Speaker 11 (37:59):
But this has been going on for years.

Speaker 10 (38:01):
He actually said that NBA took away aggression to open
up the euro.

Speaker 11 (38:05):
League, and that's not it at all.

Speaker 10 (38:07):
Luka Doncich said that the NBA you could score a
lot more easily than in the.

Speaker 11 (38:12):
EuroLeague because of the roles in this space.

Speaker 10 (38:13):
In two thousand and one, the NBA added the defensive
three second rule and essentially took out zone defense because
a defender can't stand in the pain and wait for
you to drive. You have to be actively defending someone
and be within an arm's length of an offensive player.

Speaker 11 (38:26):
The NBA has been shifting the league to.

Speaker 10 (38:28):
Score more for years because it's more exciting, or so
they thought. Rookie starvik thro One Banyama said at the
start of the season NBA is faster, but the EuroLeague
is more physical.

Speaker 11 (38:37):
The top two defensive players in the NBA are French.

Speaker 10 (38:40):
The EVYB discussion the last couple of years has been
surrounded by non American players. He also said that it's
a three point shooting league because they're they're copying eurostyle
when EuroLeague prioritizes teamwork and fundamentals over shooting the ball.
I don't know if Gilbert Arenas has ever heard of
Steph Curry or the twenty eighteen Houston Rockets who missed
twenty seven consecutive threes.

Speaker 11 (38:59):
And thank you to Gee More or Thieves from Spain
who posted a chart of nineteen.

Speaker 10 (39:02):
Players who have shot four hundred plus threes this season,
only three are European.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
No, no, it's them hating that they didn't play in
that in this generation.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
That's all it is.

Speaker 11 (39:12):
It's stupid.

Speaker 12 (39:12):
Well according to Manzi, all right, according to Manzi, if
it doesn't have marin aara sauce on it, then it
is not pizza.

Speaker 10 (39:19):
I don't know it needs to hear this, but pizza
mus have three things, some sort of bread, marinara, and cheese.

Speaker 11 (39:24):
That's it. Whatever top beans you want.

Speaker 10 (39:26):
As long as those three are in there, it's pizza.

Speaker 11 (39:29):
Does it have white sauce, that's not pizza. You can
call it a flat bread, you can call it an appetizer.

Speaker 10 (39:33):
Is it barbecue chicken, that's wonderful, that's not pizza.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I once ordered a pizza accidentally with barbecue sauce, like
I hit the toaggo.

Speaker 12 (39:45):
I do that all the time.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
Really yeah, I.

Speaker 8 (39:49):
Will agree on the barbecue.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
But as an Italian American, white sauces pizza.

Speaker 10 (39:54):
But then what do you call it whatever, a flat bread,
an appetizer, a cheesy pull apart bread with white sauce.

Speaker 8 (39:59):
I mean, very fine.

Speaker 10 (40:01):
We can do a lot, but pizza Marin arrisaw S
must be a part of it.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
There's no way, huh there.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
It is another great episode of according to Manzi. By
the way, in that four minute segment, only eleven seconds
of game time went off the clock in the Clippers
tim Rowls game. It's finally over. Clippers win eighty nine
to eighty eight. But there was thirteen point one when
she started the segment. When it ended, there was three.
A lot going on, but the Clippers get.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
A big road win in Minnesota.

Speaker 10 (40:29):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Manzi's happy, Chris is happy, Bo's happy. Me and Brian
know we're good with it all. But Brian's not good
with something that's happening in the NFL. He'll tell you
what it is next year. On Fox Sports Radio, our
NFL insider Adam Kaplan joins us in about twenty minutes
and try to clarify the picture of where Justin Fields
is going, because I do believe that he's on the move.

(40:49):
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(41:13):
So he'll have Chris Bow and Monty as his lifelines.
And if you missed any other show, you can always
go to Fox Sports Radio dot Com, click on podcasts,
and after the show just look for Fox Sports Radio Weekends.
That's where you can hear Brian. In my discussion on
the college football fourteen team playoff for the Big ten
in the SEC are asking for buys. Spend a good
twenty minutes in dissecting that. Brian's against it. I think

(41:35):
that the Big ten of the SEC should have automatic
first round byes to their champion ce He's already disgusted
just as say it, but it's the future of college football.
But you can hear that again right after the show
has done. Just go to Fox Sports Radio Weekends under
podcasts and click on that something else is kind of
make you disgusted the NFL kind of eating itself.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Would that be a good way of putting it?

Speaker 5 (41:58):
Maybe?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Maybe I was just thinking that if you think about
the draft and how much focus there is on the draft,
we go crazy for it.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
The combine.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
We're dissecting who did what, what this could mean? Caleb Williams,
on and on and on mock drafts. Here's my mock
draft two point.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
Oho.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
You know, it's all about the draft, and meanwhile, free
agency is just about a week away. The draft is
like seven weeks away roughly, right, And isn't it funny
where we're just so draft, draft, draft, draft, and not
as much about free agency. We'll get into it when
it rolls around, but only being a week out. Think

(42:36):
about how that rivals being a week away from the
NFL draft. Dan, that's all you're gonna hear, That's all
you're gonna be talking about for the most part, and
free agency just doesn't rival that. So I don't know,
it's not quite I was thinking about where the draft
is a little bit like the college football playoff, or
we're just all right, what's gonna happen in Washington, Texas?

(42:59):
We're all in and the non college football playoff bowl
games were like, Eh, that's just how it feels right
now with free agency, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, it's really weird because I don't think and heck,
we were just talking about college football, and if you're
just tuning in for the first time, Brian a huge
college football fan, Me a huge college football fan. I
don't think that we and I have no interest in
the combine. There's no connection to college football fans in

(43:30):
the NFL combine.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
I don't believe, like.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
I don't think you tune into the combine because you
love college football, and so I've always just tried to
figure out, then, what is it about the combine? And
so when you bring this point up about us being
so wrapped up in the mock drafts and the what
guys running the forties and into what guys bench press

(43:53):
and who said this, and that we're taking completely unknown
you know, quantities of these players, we have no idea
really who they are outside of a few of them.
Whereas free agency we have Kirk Cousins, you have Baker Mayfield,
you have Mike Evans, you have Justin Fields on the
trading block, Guys that we know about guys that we

(44:13):
are very very familiar with that we watch weekend and
week out, that we had on our fantasy teams. And
I don't know the answer. And that's the crazy thing
about it is, I don't think that the combine is great.
I am not a Combine fan. Yet it feeds into
the craze of the NFL Draft, and I don't know
if it's the show. I don't know if it's the

(44:34):
drama and the presentation. I don't understand it myself. I
know sometimes free agency doesn't live up to the billing.
Maybe a guy just resigns with the team and he
was the biggest fish that there was. But still like,
there is more familiarity with the players who are available
bouncing between teams than there is in anything from the
Combine or these players coming to the pros. Yet we

(44:56):
love that one hundred times more than the Combine.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yeah, I think there's something where for the most part,
the unknown in the NFL is way more interesting than
the known. And there are exceptions. If some for some reason,
the Chiefs were trading Patrick Mahomes, that's the known, there'd
be a lot that was said about that, there would
be a lot of intrigue. But as far as like

(45:20):
Mike Evans, he's put up numbers for a decade with
Tampa and.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
It's like, Eh, where's he gonna go? Eh, we'll see, right,
But who's gonna take Roma Dounze? Right?

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Is it Maleak Neighbors or is it another receiver that's
gonna go first?

Speaker 5 (45:35):
Overall? Is it Marvin Harrison Junior? Is that the right play?

Speaker 4 (45:37):
Like all that stuff, the unknown, for the most part,
I think is more intriguing. And when you talk about
the draft, that's the ultimate puzzle to try to put together.
And it's like we all become many gms and say
this team should do this and they shouldn't do that,
and they're out of their minds.

Speaker 5 (45:55):
If they do this.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
And I think that we go back and look at
past drafts and say, man, the Bears could have drafted
Mahomes instead of Mitch Trubisky.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
What were they thinking?

Speaker 4 (46:05):
You know, It's just it grows and grows and grows,
and the popularity of college football feeds into that because
you are familiar with the top end guys.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah, and there are things that are true, like the
the hit rate and free agency I think is a
lot less than it is in the draft. But that's
not what makes the draft exciting. Like when we talk
about like free agency in terms of like those players
truly working out, there are a lot of teams that
just will wait for teams with a lot of cap
space to go and spend money, and then they'll dive

(46:36):
into the pool a week later to see what's left
to see if there's anything of value or a of
a bargain there. And that's you know, like the Seahawks
are my favorite team, and that's kind of been their
way that they've operated throughout free agency most of John
Schneider's tenures. So maybe maybe that's a part of it,
maybe because I just know that, hey, this opening a

(46:58):
free agency subconsciously is not gonna be anything that the
Seahawks are gonna go after. They're not gonna be you know,
talking with Mike Evans or bringing in Kirk Cousins. You know,
maybe in a weird way, maybe all of a sudden
they're trying to talk with the Bears about justin fields.
But I'm only bringing up hypothetical situations that would get
me interested in this. But there they are sitting at sixteen,

(47:18):
Brian and I'm like, okay, do you trade back? You
don't have a second because you know you did the
trade with the Giants to get Leonard Williams. Where do
you do you? Can you get the tackle or guard
that you're looking in the middle of the draft. Can
you get a number one next year to set up better?
Those are all scenarios that I'm looking at. So maybe
I'm as we're doing this exercise and talking it out,

(47:39):
maybe I'm realizing on why it is more important to
what you said. It's the unknown of what could happen.

Speaker 5 (47:45):
That's really what it is.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
And with all this soon to be rookies, we're just
trying to figure out who's gonna do what. You know, like,
there's an interesting guy with You're gonna bring him up
with JJ McCarthy, the Michigan quarterback, and where does he go?
Does he go higher than expected? Does he go higher
than most people have him on their big boards? Just

(48:07):
because the supply and demand aspect of quarterbacks, it's really
interesting how all of that fits together. And I don't know,
maybe it's a wrong thing, but there's something about new
that seems to be more interesting. And when these are
about to be all rookies in the NFL when they
get drafted, where they get drafted, who reaches, who does

(48:28):
what in the draft. There's just far more intrigue in
that sure than NFL free agency. And some of these
bigger names in free agency they could make a way
bigger impact, but there's just not as much intrigue building
up to that moment than there is the draft.

Speaker 5 (48:46):
We're talking more draft right now, and it's in late April.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Free agency is like a week away, and we're like, eh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Right, it's got like, you know, we've had a Reggie White,
We've had Drew Brees, We've had you know, some of them.
But there's there's not the big fish that we normally
think and and even of someone's stature, if they're if
they're good enough, usually they're not hitting free agency, so
there is a cap. I mean, Kirk Cousins is a

(49:14):
free agent and could be for a lot of reasons,
but a top level depending on where your level is
NFL quarterback. But he's coming off also off of an
Achilles injury. Yeah, you know, and you're wonder, okay, if
there's no Achilles and the Vikings continue to do what
they do, is there more of a question do they
still want to bring them along? Like we're talking even

(49:36):
damaged goods, you know, in that sort of factor of
the top level free agency guys. Mike Evans seems to
have been in the league for you know, twenty years.
How many you know, how many good years are you
going to get for Mike Evans if he, you know,
continues to play in it, maybe two or three, but
it's not a fifteen year career that you drafted in
the twenty twenty four draft.

Speaker 4 (49:55):
Yeah, I think that our attitude toward veterans is oftentimes
like I've already seen that movie. For instance, if you
think of the Falcons Dan you brought him up. I
think Kirk Cousins going over there with the numbers he's
put up, the experience he has, mixed with all those
top ten offensive players, right, top ten draft picks, with

(50:17):
Jehan Robinson and Kyle Pitts, Drake London. To match all
of that with Kirk Cousins, it's like, Okay, what's this
gonna look like?

Speaker 5 (50:25):
I would look at it like that, but.

Speaker 4 (50:27):
I think for the most part, it's like, Oh, Kirk Cousins,
what's that gonna do. Meanwhile, if they drafted the unknown,
they waited around. Maybe in the second round they got
Michael Pennix Junior, there'd be way more build up for
what's Penis Junior gonna do with all these guys compared
to Kirk Cousins, who's put up numbers for years. I

(50:47):
think we're just like I've seen that Kirk Cousins movie before.
I don't agree with it, but I think that's typically
how it goes.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I you mentioned JJ McCarthy earlier, and the only reason
that I you know, bring him up, and I'm glad
that you did, was you just mentioned Michael Pennix there.
And I feel like there was at one point that
we thought Penix was going to maybe be a mid
first round pick, and now it surely seems like he'll
be a second day guy, second round pick, maybe sneaks
up at the end of the first round. But I

(51:14):
just I don't see him being a first round pick.
Where JJ McCarthy is. I mean, we're now hearing rumors
of a top ten possibility. Yeah, and to the point,
you know, Monzie talked about it in According to Monzie,
you know, game tape matters at some point. You know,
there were times where Jim Harbaugh did not want to
put the ball in the hands of JJ McCarthy and

(51:36):
relied on his running game to win football games. And
it's amazing to me to see what McCarthy did in
college and what Penix did in college and to see
now their draft stocks kind of completely going in opposite ways.
You know, Pennix maybe wasn't as big as he was
listening in college and McCarthy seemingly added some weight over
these next couple of months. But to see the rise

(51:58):
of JJ McCarthy to be like a top ten guy,
it's just to me, I understand the whole process. So
it's not like I don't get it, but in a way,
I'm also like I don't get it.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I don't understand how this happens.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
It was funny when Jamison Williams was at Alabama, he
you know Tori's ACL. Remember he couldn't break through against
Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson in the Ohio State depth chart,
which forced him to transfer to Alabama. And so he
transfers to Alabama and then tears his ACL and people
are putting them ahead of Garrett Wilson and Chris A.
Lave and I understand that we're talking about panning out

(52:32):
into an NFL career, but at some point what you
did in college and you know, has to matter at
some point. And that's where I just I don't know
if Michael Pennit's is going to be a great pro
I have no idea. But there was nothing in the
college portion of what JJ McCarthy was doing that tells me, yep,
I'm sold on this guy, and there's this late push
for him. Now all of a sudden, maybe a top

(52:52):
ten guy could be the fourth quarterback off the board.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
Yeah, I'll be honest with you, I think McCarthy he's
a tricky of value because I hear you where it's
not like he did jaw dropping things in college, because
like you said, they relied on that running game, They're
relied on their defense. They didn't even throw a pass
in the second half against Penn State, you know.

Speaker 5 (53:14):
And so I initially think like that where.

Speaker 4 (53:16):
It's like, we're really gonna go with McCarthy in the
top ten, what are we doing here? But then I pause,
and I think, just because they didn't ask him to
do it doesn't mean.

Speaker 5 (53:26):
He can't do it, you know.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
And this is a tricky comp because I'm not saying
he's the next Justin Herbert, but I felt very similarly
to Justin Herbert when he was at Oregon and Mario
Christabaul was over there. Very conservative. They they'd run the ball,
run it, run it. I don't know, Okay, we're losing,
all right, go ahead, throw it.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Herbert.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
You know, he put up good numbers, but they weren't
just jaw dropping. WHOA this guy is gonna be a megastar.
I watched all of his games. I did radio in
the there in Portland. We talked about Justin Herbert like crazy,
and I'm like, he's all right, but they don't ask
him to do a ton. And then he got to
the NFL and it was like, wo wow, this guy

(54:12):
does have the goods. So I don't know that McCarthy
is gonna be like that.

Speaker 5 (54:17):
I just know that.

Speaker 4 (54:19):
Sometimes it's dangerous when a team doesn't ask their quarterback
in college to do a ton. You start thinking, well,
that's because he can't, and it's like, well not really.
They're just they ran the ball and played great defense
and that was their formula.

Speaker 5 (54:33):
So he's a tricky evaluation.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
I haven't seen anything that jumps off and I'm like,
oh man, I love this dude. I think he could
do work in the NFL. Because it was a lot
of one read, two reads. There wasn't anything great about
his progressions. But he's an athletic guy. It's pretty accurate
and could he surprise a lot of people when he's
asked to do more.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
It is possible he'll be a top eight pick. The
way that things are going, And that's not my confidence
in him. I like confidence in them. It's how these
things end up going. Yeah, you know, like this is
the hype is going to build and somebody's gonna end
up falling in love with him.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
He's Brian No. I'm Dan Byer.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
It is Fox Sports Sunday Live from thee Tiraq dot
Com studios. Coming up next, we'll talk with our NFL
insider Adam Kaplan and who made the big strides at
the combine and yeah, who is going to get in
on this justin fields topic. We'll all talk about it
next year on Fox Sports Sunday. Fox Sports Sunday, I'm
Dan Byer. He's Brian No. Trucker Joe tweeted in kind

(55:29):
of agreeing with my JJ McCarthy sentiments. You tried to
compare him to mac Jones, but essentially it goes back
to your point, Brian, of the unknown is kind of
what you want in the NFL. It feels like the
potential is what you're drafting instead of maybe the known
commodity of what you got with a Michael Pennix. And
I use the example of Garrett Wilson and Chris o'lave

(55:51):
who were NFL ready receivers when they were still at
Ohio State, and Jamison Williams was getting just as much hype,
you know, as those guys were when they were entering
the draft because of the what could be and he
was coming off of an ACL injury. You know, in
that scenario, it is the A lot of the times,
it's of what you know just isn't as appealing of
what you don't know.

Speaker 4 (56:11):
Yeah, it really is, and you know, I wonder, man,
we'll get into it. When you think about wide receivers,
I know it's not gonna become like the running back position,
but if you think about this, Dan, think how deep
the wide receiver draft is this year where it's got
a lot of depth. If you think about a receiver
like Mike Evans, who's been fantastic for ten years. Like,

(56:35):
you have a real decision to make. Would you rather
make Mike Evans a big offer or would you rather
draft a wide receiver that might be the fourth prospect,
maybe the fifth prospect.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
You might be better off doing that.

Speaker 4 (56:48):
And I know it's not gonna be the same as
a running back, like Dobey a running back.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Just draft a running back. Everything's gonna be fine.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
But you like, in certain instances with wide receivers, we're
just automatatically like, oh, he's worth it, throw money at him,
don't even think about it. We haven't changed our thinking.
If there's a deep wide receiver class, you might be
better off going the cheaper route in the long run.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Let's ask our NFL insider about Mike Evans and where
he could be headed, and a whole lot more. You
can read them on the Pro Football Network and here
on the Inside the Birds podcast, and here I'm right
here on Fox Sports Radio. Adam Kaplan joins this. So
free agency is about a week away. Hello, Adam, what
is the likelihood of Mike Evans maybe finding greener pastures elsewhere?

Speaker 13 (57:27):
They're trying the bucks want and back. He definitely is
interested in coming back, but his agent, Derek Gilmore, is
able to kind of gauge the interest out there being
in Indianapolis this week, and that's what's what agents do.
He's been around a long time. He's had Mike since
Mike's drafted I F TEXA and M in twenty thirteen.
So they'll get a pretty good idea of what his
market will be. It should be fairly robust. Now I

(57:50):
heard you, guys before I came on here. It is
I mean, by Mike count I've got nine to ten
receivers going off within the first sixty four picks. That's
a lot, but that is really and they ran them
all that by the way, they ran well on that
fast turf at the A.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
Lukes Oil Stadium. It's a very deep and diverse group.

Speaker 13 (58:08):
You want taller guys, you could find that, you want
fast guys, you can find that, you want possessed receivers.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
You could find that. It's a very good group.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
What do you think building off that cap A couple
of teams, specifically the Dolphins with Jalen Waddle, the Eagles
with Devonte Smith. Those guys are in line for contract extensions.
They already have Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown. What do
you think about those teams paying a second receiver big money.

Speaker 13 (58:32):
Yeah, So this is the problem Brian with Cincinnati and why,
as I understand it, they decided to tag. They didn't
even try to extend the contract of T Higgins because
they know over the next two years, I mean, they
don't have to, but most likely they're probably going to
do that. They're going to extend Jamar Chase's contract. He's
eligible now for a contract extension down he's played three years.
There's really been no example of a team paying top dollar,

(58:56):
top five dollars two receivers.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
It's never happened before. I could remember.

Speaker 13 (59:01):
This is my twenty fifth year of covering the NFL,
and you're right to point that out. Now, the Dolphins
don't have to do anything again, Wattle, like Chase is
only in its fourth season, he's only on his fourth year,
and then they have the fifth year option, which they'd
pick up if they don't extend. They got two tags,
so they don't have to do anything. They're now the Eagles,
I would tell you, I would be stunned if they

(59:22):
don't extend DeVante Smith's contract. Why this is just kind
of their mo They're the one team in the Nacial Football
like does not wait once they're eligible to extend.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
They get this done because they see where the money's going.

Speaker 13 (59:34):
Tyre Kill that the highest paid at receiver in the
history of the game at thirty million a season. He's
not gonna get that DeVante Smith, but it won't be
too much less. And then the Eagles, as you mentioned
with AJ Brown, one nugget here for you with AJ
Brown's contract and why this could be his last year
with the team. His salary cop number goes to a
twelve point five million to just over twenty six million

(59:55):
next season, and his salary that's not guaranteed in twenty
five is fifteen point twenty five So this could very
well be his last season as an Eagle.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Adam Kaplin joining us here on Fox Sports Sunday. Are
we any closer to finding out where Justin Fields will
play next year?

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (01:00:09):
In my report Friday, which I put out on a
sports grid, which I know a lot of people have
asking abouts, I'll just address it. So what I said
was that I don't see him going to Atlanta. I said,
you never say never, but Let's not forget Zach Robinson,
the new offensive coordinator with the Falcons. He is running
a true West Coast offense. This is the same one
Shanahan McVeigh or running. Mcveigh's a little different than Shanahan

(01:00:32):
Shanahan's this really old school. But Zach Robinson's running a
timing based offense, so that is not a good fit
for Justin Fields. Again, I never say never, you know,
the Falcons have a decision to make I feel more
than Kirk Cousins would be a fit. Though the Vikings
want to be him back and he wants to be back.
Kirk Cousins will be much better fit for Zach Robinson's
offense by the way he has played in a West
Coast scheme before.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
How about the quarterback domino's cap where the Falcons and
all teams. Is Kirk Cousins the first domino to fall?
And then you think, well, if we don't get him,
maybe Baker, maybe Field. Is it Kirk Cousins the first
guy we got to figure out what's going on with him?

Speaker 5 (01:01:08):
I don't think there's much of a mystery.

Speaker 13 (01:01:09):
It's certainly not a Lockdady returns to Minnesota, but he
wants to be back. Talking to Vikings, they definitely want
him back. It's kind of harder for him because he's
turning thirty six and August coming off off of a
devastating injury at torn Achilles. Now he did play great
ballot before he got hurt, and then Baker would be
a team for Atlanta if they cannot if the Bucks
somehow don't get him back. Now, both sides want to

(01:01:31):
do business with each other. It is a great story.
One year four million was upside, which is what he
signed for last season. Want to bargain. But after that,
it's they're all backup, folks. They're all backups. It's if
you don't get one of these two guys, you're looking
toward the draft, that's what you'll do.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Adam Kaplan joining us here on Fox Sports Sunday. He's
Brian Noah, I'm Dan Byer. So what do you make
about this JJ McCarthy hype that Brian and I were
just talking about seeing now possible top ten position for
the Michigan quarterback after what took place at the combine.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Where does the Michigan product And all.

Speaker 13 (01:02:04):
Right, so it's funny you mentioned this so last night
I had dinner with some scouting people in Indianapolis and.

Speaker 5 (01:02:10):
I brought this.

Speaker 13 (01:02:11):
I actually brought him up because they did not talk
about him, and these guys aren't all covering the same area.
So I said, hey, do you guys think you'll go
in the first round. The three guys agreed and b
where do you think he goes? One guy said, look,
I don't have a first round great on him, but
I know he's going to go in the first round
because this is what happens. Quarterbacks get pushed up. I'd

(01:02:32):
say top twenty. Now the knock on him is now
I know he put weight on. There was a concern
that he'd be around the two undred pounds. He put
on some mass to his body.

Speaker 5 (01:02:41):
That's good.

Speaker 13 (01:02:42):
That certainly makes people feel better who aer than the
scouting world. But overall, you don't see him with great anticipation,
great timing. Sometimes that's what his tape shows. I was
told by someone in scouting. You like his elusiveness. He
can move, he can run a little bit. He's not small.
I mean, he's got some length to him. But you

(01:03:05):
want to see how he reacts to certain things. At
the next level. There are some questions whether he'd be
ready or one to start, No doubt about it. That
that's something else that was brought up to me because
you don't see a ton of him under pressure. That's
the issue that some scouts had with bo Nicks, the
argon quarterback. He should go somewhere between twenty and thirty two.
But you do struggle going through tape and seeing him

(01:03:26):
through under pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
How about the Chargers cap where you look at their
four guys that are going to count a lot against
the salary cap in Joey Bosa, Khalil Mack, Keenan Allen,
Mike Williams. What do you think is the best approach
to maybe keeping a couple, maybe moving on.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
From a couple. What do you think they should do
to approach this the.

Speaker 13 (01:03:46):
Right Yeah, hard to believe they'll keep all four. I'd
be very surprised. Now there's a segment the National Footballague. Look,
if you want to keep a player, going to.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
Keep a player?

Speaker 13 (01:03:57):
Now, Khalil Mack still showed he had a can still play.

Speaker 5 (01:04:02):
He just turned thirty three. You never went to wait
till it's too late.

Speaker 13 (01:04:05):
This is, by the way, Max last year of his deal,
his salary cap numbers over thirty eight million, which is
a quarterback number.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
You've got a new.

Speaker 13 (01:04:13):
General manager, got a new head coach, new offense, defensive schemes.

Speaker 5 (01:04:19):
Someone's gonna have to go here. I can't see it.

Speaker 13 (01:04:22):
And by the way, Mike Williams nobod. They haven't made
a decision on what they're going to do with these contracts.
Mike Williams is coming up back from attorney ACL. His
salary cap number due to the restructure last September is
over thirty two million. You mentioned Keenan Allen who just
cannot get healthy. He's also in the last year of
his deal, salary cap number for thirty four million. I

(01:04:43):
wrote this for Profible Network to start last season that
it's hard to imagine both those guys would be back
in here we are and we don't know Williams of
Terror's ACL, so I'd imagine one, if not two, of
these guys will go. And here's the other problem. Because
most of these guys are not on a contract for
next season. It's hard to restructure because you're fading voidable
years and more cap problems down the line. They're in
a tough way here. It's going to be it's gonna

(01:05:05):
be hard for them to get through all.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
This before we let you go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
And I know it's a tough day for a lot
of people around the NFL, the passing of Chris Mortenson.
Obviously you spent time at ESPN, have been in this
insider game for decades.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
What can you tell us about Chris Mortenson after?

Speaker 5 (01:05:22):
I'm so glad you brought this up. This has been
a tough day.

Speaker 13 (01:05:24):
I found out about it, you know, three or four
hours ago, and it stopped me in my tracks. So
I told more at this when we worked together, we
worked closely for two years before his illness. I told
him that he was the inspiration for my career, that
that is something.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
I'd been without him.

Speaker 13 (01:05:39):
And as a reporter, I remember where I was in
nineteen ninety eight, if we're not at a fancy football convention,
and I asked him this question, could you find out
what's going with Georgy Levins's contract? And it called ron
Wolf and I picked this cell phone up and I'm like,
I can't believe this is that?

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Like I was like mesmerized.

Speaker 13 (01:05:58):
Yeah, And I told him that we laughed about it
and he's a special guy. The other thing that I
love about him is He's sent.

Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
You a really nice note.

Speaker 13 (01:06:07):
And I know we've seen people on social media, reporters
in our business, you know, put this out. I'm probably
gonna do something tomorrow mine. Yeah, my story's gonna be
a little different. But he would always send encouragement like
out of the blue sometimes and I'm I'm sad that
I do not have touch be in touch with him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
In recent months.

Speaker 13 (01:06:25):
That's you know, obviously disappointing, but special human being and
again the number one inspiration in my career that this
is not even close and no like Will McDonough, the
late Will McDonough was another guy that I saw growing up,
but to no more just to love him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I'm telling you, the guy was a special human being.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
He's Adam Gaplan our Fox Sports Radio NFL. N's had
our great words on the passing of Chris Morten's in
earlier today. Adam, thanks so much. We'll talk to you
next week. Hit him up at Kaplan NFL. Let's sit
over to the news desk. Monti Blanios has got the latest.
And then after that she'll serve as a lifeline, one
of the three lifelines for Brian know in our Game
of Easy as one, two, three?

Speaker 3 (01:07:00):
What's going on? Manzi?

Speaker 10 (01:07:01):
You know when I watched these NASCAR races and they
start going to the pit and changing these tires, I
can't help but.

Speaker 11 (01:07:07):
Be in awe how quickly they moved crazy?

Speaker 10 (01:07:10):
You know what, I just just had my tire situation, right,
So maybe that's what it is, because I'm just like, oh.

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
My, how quickly did you just put those tires on, Mancy?

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I'm so cheap my back right tire, it keeps going
flat and I'll just put air in it every three
weeks or so. It's going flat again and just keep
putting it off. I need to take it to a
NASCAR trap.

Speaker 9 (01:07:32):
You probably have a puncture, and that you should probably.
My tire got completely shredded and I nearly died this.

Speaker 11 (01:07:37):
Have you taken it? Because if there, if it is
a little hole, they can patch it.

Speaker 8 (01:07:41):
And then you did Yeah the place, We'll do it
for free.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
Yeah I did that once. But it's still it's going
down again.

Speaker 11 (01:07:47):
Yeah no, I hear you. So on Tuesday I came
into work.

Speaker 10 (01:07:50):
Literally on my eight minute drive to work, I was
getting a flat tire. Like by the time an hour
into my ship at seven am, I went to look
at it at a flat complete tire and I had
like a like a slash on the tire, like I
couldn't fix it.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
And by the way, yeah, I didn't know you were done.

Speaker 10 (01:08:06):
So and then I found out I didn't have a
spare tire in my car because I have a hybrid
plug in so it's where the battery is.

Speaker 11 (01:08:13):
So I had to get towed. I just bought new tires.
I don't I was very upset.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
My apologies for breaking up your story, So it'll take
it doesn't take ten seconds.

Speaker 5 (01:08:23):
I was on my way to work.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I was working in Fresno at the time, blasting Lamb
of God as I typically do. Dan, you know, I'm
a metal guy. And the guy next to me, we're
at a red light and he's pointing down. He's like
pointing down and I'm like, yeah, man, right on, and
I got to work and then my back right tire
was totally flat and I didn't know it. He was

(01:08:45):
just like, he's the most laid back guy ever. I'm like, yeah, man,
I know it's flat.

Speaker 5 (01:08:50):
It's cool. I had no idea.

Speaker 11 (01:08:52):
That's so funny.

Speaker 10 (01:08:53):
Well, let's get that tire fixed, Brian, before it's it's dangerous.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
I guarantee you know the gas station that is free air,
because there are very few of them now that have
free air.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Which you find the one, and that's the one that
you go back to every single time.

Speaker 11 (01:09:06):
And the most annoying thing is it's coins.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
I don't know, No, it's free, That's what I'm talking about.

Speaker 11 (01:09:12):
The ones that you do have to pay it's coins.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, cooin air terrible.

Speaker 11 (01:09:16):
I know, I got time for that. All right, Let's
check in on NASCAR.

Speaker 10 (01:09:20):
We are down to the third and final stage and
it looks like Kyle Larson is still in the lead.
Thirty eight laps to go. This is coming from Las Vegas.
Tyler Reddick in the in second place, Ryan Blaney. Daniell
Suadez was in the lead not that long ago, and
he won the last one, so I was like, oh,
maybe he's gonna win this one. But no, Kyle Larson
right now, thirty seven laps to go. In the NBA
two games going on, the Magic are beating the Pistons

(01:09:42):
twenty nine to twenty seven. Late in the first quarter,
the Hornets are up on the Raptors thirty one to
twenty seven. They just got going in the second quarter,
the Celtics dominated the Warriors one forty to eighty eight.
Boston is the first team in NBA history to win
three games by fifty or more points in a season.
The seventy six was held on to beat the MAVs
in Dallas won twenty to one sixteen and my Clippers

(01:10:03):
they edged the Timberwolves in Minnesota eighty nine eighty eight
was the final.

Speaker 11 (01:10:08):
In college hoops.

Speaker 10 (01:10:09):
Number three Yukon Cruise pass Seaton Hall ninety one sixty one.
Caitlin Clark dropped thirty five points today. She is now
the all time leading scorer in the NC DOUBLEA men women.
It doesn't matter. Number six Iowa defeated number two Ohio
State ninety three eighty three.

Speaker 11 (01:10:23):
We're also going to talk about number.

Speaker 10 (01:10:24):
One South Carolina because they completed its second straight perfect
regular season with.

Speaker 11 (01:10:30):
A seventy six sixty eight victory over Tennessee.

Speaker 10 (01:10:32):
South Carolina is the first team to enter the SEC
Tournament undefeated multiple times and in the NFL. ESPN reports
that the Dolphins are unlikely to use the franchise tag
on defensive tackle Christian Wilkins, who is coming off a
career high nine sacks in.

Speaker 11 (01:10:46):
Twenty twenty three, so he will be an unrestricted free agent.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Back to you guys, all right, let's get right to it,
easy as one, two, three, four, Yeah, we got to
move this bad boy along, Brian. Those quest to get
ten points a simil discussion of topics where Brian does
not have to give me all of the correct answers,
just has to give me some of them. He has
lifelines at his disposal. Monty Belanos, Bo Benton, and Chris

(01:11:11):
Purfett are here if Brian wants to workshop any of
these topics. The topics today the NBA, NFL, Women's college basketball,
and men's college basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Okay, are you ready to go, Brian?

Speaker 5 (01:11:23):
N I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Let's go over under eight and a half. It'll never
be nine and a half. That's asking too much, but
a feel you'll do pretty well in this one.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
Good name one of two, Brian, of the NBA's all
time highest scoring leaders that never played a game in
a Lakers uniform. So the two highest scoring leaders in
NBA history that never played a game in a Lakers uniform.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Okay, gotcha? So, uh, we take Lebron off the list.
We take Kareem off the list, we take Karl Malone
off the list, and we take Kobe off the list.
So we've got mj final answer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
All right, show me Michael Jordan. Yes, there he is
number five, thirty and ninety two points. Derk Novitski also
would have been an acceptable answer, But then after that
you had Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O'Neal, and then if we
wanted to extend it, Kevin Durant would have been the
third Carmelo Anthony played for the Lakers. So yeah, seven

(01:12:24):
of the top ten have worn a Lakers' uniform. Brian,
know you were easy? Yeah, you are often running. Let's
go question number two. It's my all time favorite question
of easy as one, two, three, four. It's been used before,
but we bring it back today. Uh oh, name two
of three NFL teams that have never had the first
overall pick in an NFL draft?

Speaker 5 (01:12:45):
Baby two? Okay, two of three. I might need a
lifeline for this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
My initial thought is the Ravens because they haven't been
around for that long. I don't I don't know. I'd
have to workshop that one. If they've had the number
one overall pick. I'm gonna workshop this with Bo Benson
lifeline number one. Here, I could go team by team

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in nauseating fashion, and it would take forever for us
to do that. But I'm thinking Baltimore, you thinking anybody
in particular Bo?

Speaker 12 (01:13:26):
Baltimore sounds right, But I don't know if they were
treated as like an expansion franchise and given a top pick,
I don't know if they.

Speaker 5 (01:13:33):
Were, I don't know.

Speaker 12 (01:13:35):
I would think the Steelers have never been bad enough
to be picking first overall, but that might be wrong too. Look,
thinking about some of the guys that played.

Speaker 5 (01:13:43):
There, I don't know, because these teams that go back forever.

Speaker 4 (01:13:48):
Yeah, I'm worried about and the Steelers were bad for
a long time, so I don't know they could be
on the list.

Speaker 5 (01:13:56):
I'm not sure.

Speaker 12 (01:13:57):
Yeah, that's that's wow.

Speaker 2 (01:13:59):
This is my favorite question. I love this all right, Brian,
Now are you are you ready to give a final answer?
Do you want to use a different lifeline?

Speaker 5 (01:14:08):
I thought Bo was going to chime in with you, Okay, yeah, Well, if.

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
Dan loves this question, then maybe the Seahawks are one
of the answers.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
You know, it's not a bad thought.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
Let's go, and they haven't been around as long as
the Steelers and some of these other teams. Right, so
we'll go Dan Ravens Seahawks. Final answer, All right, show
me the Baltimore Ravens. They did not get the opportunity
to be the first overall because everybody moved over. They
were an expansion franchise, but not in the normal sense.

(01:14:39):
He got that one, correct. Show me the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
Yes, that is.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
The other team to not have a number one.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Pick first overall, the Denver Broncos, Denver Wow, Pittsburgh Terry
Bradshaw first overall. And so uh that's a way back
in the way back machine. The Seahawks could I have
had number one in the first draft, but instead that
went to Tampa Bay. They also drafted Rick Myra in
the early nineties at number two, but never number one overall.

Speaker 4 (01:15:10):
All right, shout out Irish, huh, Irish and Seahawks. It's
like you and me just combined forces. I don't know
if we can really bond over Rick Myra. You had
a much better time with him than I did.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
That's true. I saw him at the Super Bowl. By
the way, I walked past them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:23):
I'm like, ah, Rick Meira, all right, yo, Noah's three
for three on the verge right now, on track for
a second straight perfect game. But we're talking hoops next.
Manzie's a lifeline, so is christ Perfet. It's all coming
up next life at the Tirek dot Com Studios on
Fox Sports Sunday. Brian know is perfect. I'm not talking
in general, but right now perfect in this game of
easy as one, two three four.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Hit him up at the No Show. I'm Dan Byer,
Bryan and I hanging out with you on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
A Sunday and Sunday evening on the East Coast and
the last Sunday before we change our clocks. Yes, next week,
a majority of us at changing our clocks as we
spring ahead. Let's jump ahead to question number three in
our game of easy as one, two three four, where
Brian has two lifelines left. Chris Prophet or technical producer
in Manzi Blanio's at the news desk, all right to

(01:16:09):
you ready, I am ready. He's got three points. Here's
your opportunity to add three more. Name three of four
Brian schools that made the women's Final four last season
in college basketball. Okay, again, these aren't out here to
trick you like there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
There's a path that you can usually find to an answer.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
Yeah, well, I definitely remember LSU and Angel Reese talking
trash to Caitlin Clark and Iowa. So we've got LSU
and IOWA, and I'm gonna have to use a lifeline for.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
One of the other two teams.

Speaker 3 (01:16:46):
He's nodding her head.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
Okay, that seems like a good sign. Moncey, I'll use
you as a lifeline. You got the answer, you got
the final two teams.

Speaker 10 (01:16:53):
So I think Iowa beat South Carolina in the Final
four and then advance to play LSU.

Speaker 5 (01:17:00):
I'd buy that.

Speaker 11 (01:17:01):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what went down.

Speaker 5 (01:17:03):
Okay, okay, pretty good enough for me. Sure I'll go
final answer. Those three teams.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Show me LSU, Yes, Angel Reese and the Tigers cutting
down the nets last year. Show me Iowa. Yes, and
they beat IOA on that championship game and to keep
it perfect and they have Manzi come in and save
the day. Show me South Carolina. Yes, it was ls
who beat South Carolina. Iowa beat Virginia.

Speaker 10 (01:17:31):
I mean we got there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:32):
Still yeah, still.

Speaker 10 (01:17:34):
Count remember South Carolina losing in the final four, So
there we go.

Speaker 8 (01:17:38):
Okay, guys, Junia Tech was the higher seed to Virginia Tech.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
At South Carolina were the one seeds. Iowa was a
two seed. Last year, LSU made the Final four and
one at All as a three seed.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
So it's kind of like saying, I remember Mahomes and
the Chiefs beating the Lions.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
In the title game.

Speaker 8 (01:17:56):
We don't need to do this today, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Final question is Brian no again goes for a perfect
game for the second straight week. And perfect games, Uh,
they're they're rare here, So to go back to back
is something named four or five Brian know, big ten
schools that have won a men's college basketball national championship.

Speaker 4 (01:18:17):
Okay, wow, four or five Big ten schools won a
college basketball national championship.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Okay, So we've got IU.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
I'm gonna workshop with this with you, Chris Purfett, you know, careful,
he's sabotage me on this. We've got tom Izzo and
Michigan State. We've got Sparti in there.

Speaker 9 (01:18:40):
So we've got two regular season championships, not the tournaments. No,
it's a national championship, national champion excuse me, excuse me?

Speaker 5 (01:18:48):
Yeah, okay, so we've got a couple oh man, here
let me see. Gosh, we go back in the archives
over here, can we We got to get two more here.
I'm thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
Illinois, Michigan and Purdue, and I'm not sure. Chris like, well,
we definitely have Michigan, right because they're a Meal Robinson.

Speaker 9 (01:19:12):
So we're three yeah, and I don't Yeah, yeah, Michigan, Michigan,
Michigan State, Indiana, Yeah, and we need one more. I
swear there must be in Ohio State in here somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
How about Maryland? Maryland?

Speaker 9 (01:19:27):
Maryland would have been all in the a CC, but
I don't yeah, and I and and just yeah, you're right, yeah,
that would not They'd have to be in the Big
Ten Conference. I gotta say, it's got to be like
I don't think Wisconsin ever won one, Minnesota maybe not.
All right, time for your final answers, I want to

(01:19:47):
say just I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 8 (01:19:49):
I'm gonna say Ohio State has to be in here somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:19:53):
You know they because they lost to Florida the one time. Okay,
so we'll go with the first three.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Show me Indiana, yeah, show me Michigan State, show me Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
Yep. All right, and here's where it is. Show me
Ohio State. Yep, there is nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
Sixty champions and in nineteen forty one Wisconsin Badgers cut
down in that. Good job, Chris, Yes, like another perfect
game for Brian know Lebron James is in the news again.

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the NBA and just as we see the Celtics just
completely dismantle the Warriors today from the get go the final,
as you heard Manci say, one forty to eighty eight.

(01:21:02):
Does a game like that change your mind at all
on the Celtics fortunes or the Warriors fortunes when it
comes to the to the upcoming NBA playoffs? Does does
that move the needle for you with either team, Brian,
when you see an outcome like that today.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
Not really, it doesn't do much because we know the
Celtics are a fantastic team. They might win a championship
this season. So it doesn't change anything I thought about them.
They're crushing teams. They've won their games by an average
of over ten points, and that's one of the best
marks in the history of the NBA. You know, most
teams that have won by an average of ten points

(01:21:39):
going to win a championship. So it doesn't change how
I feel about Boston. But Golden State had been playing
really well on the road, and some people are like, hey,
look look at the Warriors winning again on the road.

Speaker 5 (01:21:51):
They've won like seven in a row on the road.

Speaker 4 (01:21:54):
So it's just a reminder of It's like Denzel said
in training Day, that day is dead dog.

Speaker 5 (01:22:00):
Don't roll like that no more. That's the Warriors.

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
The Warriors are not gonna do anything of note when
the playoffs roll around.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
It's also crazy to think that the Damian Liller trade
likely would determine an NBA champion, but it would be
the Boston Celtics because of the Bucks giving up Drew
Holiday and Drew Holiday finding his way. And I'm not
saying that Drew Holiday is the only piece, because obviously
Boston has been building made it to the finals two
years ago. But you add Porzingis, Derek Whites played well,

(01:22:27):
and they sure seem to be a juggernaut. That's where
That's where I thought this sense was. That's the feel
that I get on social media is that this was
Boston's statement, if there was a way to make a
statement when they've already probably made statements throughout the first
sixty games of the season, that this was the statement
game to do. So I will just say this, this

(01:22:49):
is just the this is just the wet blanket or
you know, the dark cloud on a sunny day. Just
make sure you don't peak too soon. That's the only
the only thing, right, Yeah, too soon.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
And you know the other thing, Dan, I'll say it
real fast, is you think about the Bucks. I think
they're an interesting case study, if you will. So I
was very analytical. I don't mean to make it sound
like that, but they crashed and burned against the Miami Heat.
They lost in the first round when they had the
best record in the East, and that was embarrassing. And

(01:23:21):
they changed all this stuff around. Right, They got rid
of Bud, they got rid of Drew Holliday, they made
the trade for Dame. And I get some of that
because you got to keep Yannis happy. Gianness is like,
I'm here as long as you basically do things to
make us title contenders every year. So that was conditional
love if you want, so, you got to keep you

(01:23:42):
honest happy. I get that, But there's something to be
said for you don't have to just change and change
and change. Look at them now, are they any better?
And I love Damian Lillard, but you mentioned Drew Holliday.
Their problems are on the defensive end. Drew Holliday is
a magnificent defensive Guardian Lillard is not. Are they any

(01:24:02):
better with Adrian Griffin after Bud? No, they fired him.
Are they any better with Doc after Bud? I would
argue not. So it's one of these things. It's not
sexy to say, Hey, let's run it back. Giannis was
hurt for two and a half games in that first
round loss against Miami, who made it to the finals.

Speaker 5 (01:24:20):
Right, let's run it back, Let's retool a little bit.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
We don't have to make massive changes it's not as
sexy to do that, but you might be better off
running it back instead of making huge changes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:31):
I don't think there was.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Any way that they thought that Drew Holliday would end
up in a Celtics uniform. Yeah, you know, you know,
because when you think about like what that would set
up and lo and behold, that's what ended up playing out.
I do think they needed to make a change. Something
had to be done. You had to get better offensively,
and this was a way for them to do it.
It just came at the expense of Drew Holiday. And

(01:24:53):
to your point, yeah, they're kind of looking for that.
You wonder if Patrick Beverly's going to provide that. I
joked last week on the Doc Rivers haters. The Bucks
went two and zero out of the gate. They've won
their last five, granted the games against the Bulls. They
just beat the Hornets and back to back games. Now
it gets tougher for them. But again, the way Boston's going,
whether it's the Bucks, the Cavs, or whoever, Boston's going

(01:25:15):
to have have it on cruise control. And the other
thing that we know about this time of year, Brian,
there are other teams that put it on cruise control
that just want to end the season, yeah, and not
win games. So you will get a lot of ten
twelve game winning streaks from certain teams because there are
teams that just don't want to compete anymore, and this
is where they mail it in. The Wizards have lost
fourteen in a row, so you know there's a team

(01:25:38):
Memphis doesn't have much to play for. They've only lost
five in a row, but how much are they going
to be locked in for the rest of the year.
This is where you start seeing longer winning streaks because
teams would rather lose than win games.

Speaker 5 (01:25:48):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 4 (01:25:49):
And I'm impressed by a couple of teams that could
be a little bit lethargic in the regular season. A
team like Denver, they just won a championship and yet
they're tied for the best record in the West.

Speaker 5 (01:26:01):
They're forty two to nineteen.

Speaker 4 (01:26:02):
You know you think about That's why I'm skeptical about
a team like the Knicks, where I don't mean this
as a negative, but they're a regular season, tryhard team,
you know what I mean. Like they are focused, they
bring the intensity every night. Tibbs has got him ready
and that's not a negative. It's just when the competition

(01:26:22):
ramps it up in the postseason and they're meeting your level,
is there a drop off with the Knicks?

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
So I can't wait for the playoffs. Man, it's gonna
be really interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah, Sixer's got a big win today against the Mavericks
doing so and Tyree Smacksy had to miss a little
of it and they didn't really even need him in
the second half. But that's a good win. And there's
hope that Joel Embiid could come back at the end
of March. So a lot of NBA to talk about,
But why not look ahead to the NBA Draft because
that's where Lebron James enters The conversation entered it when
the tweet was sent out that ESPN was removing Bronnie

(01:26:54):
James from their twenty twenty four mock draft. They included
him as a second round pick in the twenty twenty
five draft, and then Lebron came out with his tweet
supporting Bronnie and what it was all about, contradicting everything
that he had done over the last you know.

Speaker 3 (01:27:07):
Four or five months.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
We are able to move this story a little bit
ahead because of what Adrian Ward Genarowski said last night
prior to the Lakers Nuggets game that aired on ABC
about Bronnie James's future and how his future in college
basketball may not be as long as some thing. This
was wojan last night's broadcast.

Speaker 5 (01:27:27):
Only I talked to Rich Paul CEO clut Sports. Obviously
lebron james agent.

Speaker 14 (01:27:32):
He will also be Bronnie James's representative, and a couple
of things they're really gonna look at when they make
a decision about leaving school or returning for a sophomore
year at USC.

Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Number one, Rich Paul and Lebron James. Bronnie James will
be far less interested.

Speaker 15 (01:27:49):
In how high he will be picked, but is the
right team interested, the right developmental situation for him, perhaps
later on in the first round.

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
But here's one thing that will consideration.

Speaker 15 (01:28:00):
I was called by Rich Paul the idea that he
needs to play with Lebron James, be on the same roster,
play with him on the Lakers. That is, as Rich
Paul said to me, if it organically happened, Lebron would
be head over.

Speaker 16 (01:28:14):
Feels excited to play with Bronni. But in Rich Paul's words,
Lebron wants Bronni to be his own man, and so
it'll certainly be something as we get further into the spring,
and he's got a decision to make, you know, they'll
have time to get a real sense of where they
stand in the NBA.

Speaker 5 (01:28:33):
From this twenty twenty four draft.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
What a bunch of bs. And I'm not saying that
Woj is full of bs, it's just the stuff that's
being being.

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
Fed to him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
This is this Lebron playing with Bronni dream is still
alive and well, and they can deny it and they
can do what they want. But that whole conversation of
what Woj was just saying that he had with Rich
Paul just tells you, like, it's never mattered on how
good Bronni is, whether it be in a mock draft,
whether it be how we watch him play at USC

(01:29:04):
or what he was like coming out of Sierra Canyon.
It's just all been the fact of how does this
work in the James Gang plan of things? And the
thing that shocked me about it, how many times, Brian,
do we have guys who are second round picks being
like I I'm thinking about going pro but I want
to I want to make sure that I find the

(01:29:24):
right fit for me with a draft pick. Well, how
the heck do you know who's going to draft deal?

Speaker 5 (01:29:30):
Exactly right, that's my whole thing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:32):
Yeah, it's like this statement is I don't this is
from Rich Paul, you know, Brownie's agent. I don't value
a young player getting into the lottery as much as
I do getting him on the right team in the
right developmental situation. That was the statement that you read, Dan,
And it's like, this isn't usc you can pick what

(01:29:52):
college you want to go to.

Speaker 5 (01:29:54):
You can't pick like, let's say I don't know for.

Speaker 4 (01:29:57):
The sake argument, the Orlando Magic are on the clock,
and for whatever reason, you're like, no, no, no, that's
not a great developmental situation for Bronnie. Well, if they
pick you, that's where you're going. Yeah, that's just how
it's the draft, which is this idea, Yeah, of like
you got to be in the right developmental situation. Yeah,
if it just happens to fall that way and it

(01:30:17):
works out, great, You have no control over.

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
That, which tells me that there's got to be something
in the works with some NBA team. And then when
you think about that, we'll like what NBA team, Well,
there's not many to choose from, Like when we think
of like great NBA developmental teams to come into mind,
the Heat and the Spurs, Okay, like that, Like that

(01:30:40):
would be like you would think, like, okay, under Greg
Popovich's wing, what could he do? Do you think that
they really want to do Lebron a favor?

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:30:49):
I think it would be tampering almost if you're consulting
in a way of, hey, draft my guy in the
second round so he can develop. Do you think the
Miami he want to do Lebron a solid I'm sure
I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:30:59):
Think pat Riley, it's that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:01):
Absolutely, not no way in heck.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
But you have the Lakers sitting there with a second
round pick, and then you had the caveat like, well, hey,
if things happen organically, so.

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
Then this does set up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:13):
So then Lebron says, all right, Lakers take my son
in the second round, and then I don't have to
opt out of my contract, and then I'll be in
LA and it's a second round pick and I get
to fulfill the dream of playing with my son. Like
it it is such laying the groundwork of trying to
play this all out. I don't ever ever remember this scenario,

(01:31:36):
and I know Bronni is different, But if he has
developing to do in the transfer portal in college basketball,
maybe you would want to go and transfer to a
different school where you feel like that coach could develop
you as a player. Right, not be drafted in the
second round by some NBA team that you've already struck
a side deal with Like that is just it's weird

(01:31:57):
and it's odd, and there's just there's too many things
to play that Lebron is saying, all right, Lakers, you're
gonna take him with a second round pick and we're
gonna play together next season.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Otherwise I may have different plans.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
I get dan that sometimes your tastes will change in
your lifetime. For instance, an odd example, but off the
top of my head, I used to hate when there
was mayonnaise on my BLTs. Okay, I used to scrape
the mayonnaise off, like, oh, it's ruined the sandwich. After
a while, I would forget to ask him to take
it off, and I just got used to it, and

(01:32:29):
it my taste changed and I'm okay with it. Now
is that the same thing as Lebron who initially is like,
I definitely want to play with Brony.

Speaker 5 (01:32:38):
I think that would be the coolest thing.

Speaker 4 (01:32:40):
And now his taste has changed to ah, you know,
I want him to be his own man, but we
don't necessarily have to play with each other, you know,
on the same squad, right, Like, I just don't know
what to make of that. Where is that what he
truly feels or is this him coming to grips with
I really don't have any set and if that happens

(01:33:01):
or not, it's hard to know exactly what he truly
feels about that whole situation.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
I think it's all bs. I think that he completely
wants to play with Bronnie. He doesn't want to make
it seem by the way it is a very selfish thing.
Like we talk about Lebron wanting to play with Bronnie.
Is that Bronni's dream to play a season in the
NBA with his dad? Is anybody? Maybe somebody has asked him.
I I don't know, but it always seems like this

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was Lebron's dream to be able to do that and
be able to have that legacy. But I don't know,
if anybody has said, hey, hey, Bronnie, do you actually
want to play a season with your pops in the NBA?
Would you like to kind of carve out your own
you know, your own way. It's just it's too odd
and there were just too many things that there with
the it's not it's not about like where he is,

(01:33:47):
it's where he can grow. Like what then you're gonna
now spend time in the G League? Is that what's
gonna happen? And you're gonna go back and forth in
the G League? Don't you think maybe another year in
college would be better? You know, by the way, is
finally for college, there's three finalists when he was choosing
on where to go, where usc that he ultimately picked,

(01:34:07):
you know, went out close to home. Ohio State obviously
the bronze connections with Ohio but they fired Chris Holtman
this season. And Oregon, and you'd have to think that
there was some sort of Nike connection in what Oregon
has done. But Oregon's in danger of not making the
NCAA tournament like it wasn't It wasn't the you know, Yukon, Kentucky.

(01:34:29):
You know, sort of like hey, that are bringing him in.
All of these had like weird, I don't know, not weird,
but angles that weren't necessarily about becoming the greatest basketball player.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Right, you know, like like to go to Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
There's obviously the connection of Lebron being from there and
staying at USC, you know, backyard, you're back home, But
in terms of like improving which makes which tells me
another thing that there is it didn't matter on how
good or how bad he was, that there is this
plan in place that somehow is going to be manipulated
so those two can end up playing together. And I

(01:35:05):
just think it's very selfish on Lebron's part for doing
it and to try to And I think they're going
to pin it on the Lakers because the draft comes
before Lebron will make his decision on whether he wants
to opt out of his contract. I mean, like, those
are the things that we're gonna end up having to
deal with in June. And it really puts the onus
on LA to end up making that draft pick in

(01:35:25):
the second round when it comes to it, if he
ends up entering.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
Yeah, it makes me think of a couple of things
where the first thing is with Bronni suffering that cardiac arrest.
You know, that was last July, and that sideline him
for nearly five months, you know, So how big of
an impact has that had on his freshman season at USC.
I think it has made a big impact as far

(01:35:50):
as that goes. So, yeah, maybe going back to USC
for another year would be better for his all around career.
He's going to make that determination. The other one thing
I think about is you think about Austin Rivers. He
was on ESPN probably about a month ago or so,
and he was talking about he hopes that Bronni goes

(01:36:11):
to a different team than his dad lebron because of
his experience. He said, when I was coached by my dad,
Doc Rivers, it was not a great experience because of
everybody having everything to say about, Oh it's just because
your dad, bah bah bah. He was like, it could
be a rough situation for Bronni. So I don't know
what Bronni wants to do. I mean, to be fair,

(01:36:33):
he might be that would be really cool. I don't
know where he stands on that whole thing. But if
that's not his desire and he feels like Austin Rivers
did when he was coached by his dad, Doc.

Speaker 5 (01:36:46):
That would be a rough spot to be in.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
I mean, like there are rougher spots to be in
in life, but that's not an ideal situation if that's
not what you want to sign up for.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
And again, Lebron's tweet that he deleted this past week
online Monday was can y'all please just let the kid
be a kid and enjoy college basketball? And this message
is like, how soon can we get him out of
college basketball and be drafted into the second round and
progressed by a team?

Speaker 1 (01:37:12):
Right?

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
That's right?

Speaker 4 (01:37:13):
And that was in January where he said he could
play for us right now, and it was like, wait
a minute, so which is it.

Speaker 5 (01:37:22):
Are we just letting him be a kid? Or could
he play for the Lakers right here, right now?

Speaker 4 (01:37:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
That just doesn't add up the most popular second round
pick that we've had in along. And again, I don't
put one ounce. I'm so glad Browny James is healthy.
I'm so glad that he's been able to resume his career.
I just think he's been putting into an unbelievably tough spot.

Speaker 5 (01:37:41):
But he has been.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Yeah, he has, Like this is no Joe Schmoe, that's
your dad. Lebron's the only guy to get to forty
thousand points. That happened last night, and now you're you know,
you're on the same squad. That's not that it'd be
like I think of Ken Griffy Junior and his dad,
remember that when they were sitting on the bench together,
and there's that old clip, like not in high def obviously,

(01:38:04):
and it's like, wow, that was really cool. Yeah, the
kid went on to be an all time great. Ken
Griffy Senior was not an all time great, Lebron. Most
people have him as the number two overall player in
the history of the game, you know what I mean.
So to be teammates with that guy, that's different than
the Griffies for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Yeah, because because Ken Griffy Junior earned his way up there,
and it's not that Bronnie. You know, Bronnie wouldn't have
probably earned this spot, you know for what for where
he is in his game right now, it just doesn't
seem that it's that it's earned. A story that we
will continue to follow, which, by the way, almost hijacked
last night's Nuggets. Nobody's talking about the Nuggets beating the

(01:38:44):
Lakers again and doing it like in normal fashion, like
they did in the Western Conference Finals.

Speaker 3 (01:38:48):
We're talking about this, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
He's Brian though, I'm Dan Bayer, hanging out on a
Sunday Nixon Calves just getting underway. Did I see Jalen
Brunson kind of be a little iffy bo bench in
our executive He.

Speaker 12 (01:39:01):
Did kind of look. I don't know what happened. I
watched the play. He just went to shoot and landed
awkwardly and got helped off the course.

Speaker 2 (01:39:09):
Okay, so yeah, maybe me speculating an ankle injury. But
we will keep you up to date of what is happening.
Big problems for one professional sports league. You have no
idea the problems that they have incurred. He's Brian now,
I'm Dan Byer. That's next to your life forth the
Tyrek dot Com Studios on Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:39:26):
I'm Dan Byer.

Speaker 2 (01:39:27):
He's Brian know, hanging out life forth, Tirek dot com Studios.
It's a big weekend for us here at Fox Sports
Radio as we welcome our new affiliate, the new what
O six point won the ticket in New Orleans, so
pumped to have them well part of our Fox Sports
Radio family. Big thank you to market manager Pat Galloway
and program director Jason Kinty.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Love being on in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
The fan base that you know as as you do
this job, Brian know and you travel around and you
see certain fan bases that you know, will we'll travel Steelers, right, Packers,
you know. If we're talking the National Football League Super
Bowl forty four in Miami. I'd been to New Orleans,
you know, prior, but to be somewhere else and to

(01:40:13):
be whether Saints were playing the biggest game in franchise history.
I thought there would be a lot of Colts fans
there in in Miami, dominated by Saints fans in my
experience there, and just a new found appreciation. We had
known everything that you know, they had gone to, gone
through with Katrina and then then the Saints coming back.

(01:40:34):
But to see how passionate they were about that football
team something that I didn't realize until I saw it firsthand.
So awesome New Orleans totally. And I made it there
a couple of times. I was there in nine and
it just happened to be their Super Bowl season. But
I made it there and we went to a regular
season game. We're just hanging out.

Speaker 4 (01:40:53):
There's actually a bachelor party that weekend, and it's an
awesome place to.

Speaker 3 (01:40:57):
Go for that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
But yeah, we And as soon as I got there,
I took the bus and everybody, the bus drivers talking
to the people on the bus about the Saints. And
I'm telling you, man, people say that the city cares
if you go there. They care on another level. It's
like sec college football level care for who that in

(01:41:21):
New Orleans?

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
Man, So no doubt.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
By the way, trivia question here with the bump back music,
I know you're a big jaw Rule fan.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Sure right there with him as well, right, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
Yeah, so he turned he had a birthday last Friday.
How old do you think jaw.

Speaker 5 (01:41:35):
Rule is now?

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
I'm going to say forty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:41:39):
That's a great guess. Guy's forty eight years old.

Speaker 8 (01:41:42):
Wow, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
I was like on my neighborhood. That's why I fired.

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
I was blown away.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
I don't know why I thought Joe Rule was I
don't know, like in his early forties or something.

Speaker 5 (01:41:52):
I was like, holy cow.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
And then I did the math and I'm like, no,
it actually does make sense that it's a little while ago.

Speaker 3 (01:41:59):
Well, aren't they two one?

Speaker 2 (01:42:01):
Jah Rule?

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Who's you know?

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
He went through the whole firefest, you know, crap. Then
there was the Bucks halftime, a lot of a lot
of great extra with Jah Rule. Speaking of extra, we're
gonna get the Manci Belanios here in a second.

Speaker 7 (01:42:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
I mentioned earlier how I felt like celebrating Lebron's forty
one thousand point last night was kind of like hanging
around that person that just loves to throw parties, so
they'll celebrate anything.

Speaker 5 (01:42:24):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:42:25):
I kind of got that sense with Kitlyn Clark today. Really,
the Pete.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
Maravitch record, I never yeah, like I just I felt
it was very manufactured. And one of the things that
I loved about the Caitlyn Clark story was how organic
it was, was of just you know, this, this transcendent player.
I couldn't have told you at the start of the year, Brian,

(01:42:50):
if the if the men's player or the women's player
was the all time leading scorer in college basketball. I
didn't know if it was Kelsey Plum, I didn't know
if it was Pete Mayrav I wouldn't have known who
had more points. So I know it was a mark
today but I just I just I felt like, you know,
Manti used the squeezing of the orange. I felt like

(01:43:11):
we squeezed a little bit too much out of this.
It just didn't it didn't feel organic like the the
all time record very organic for women's basketball. But I
had never once compared what Pete Maravich did or what
Kelsey Plum did, or what the men's game did to
the women's game of who had the most of anything,
And I just I felt that it was just it
was a little extra.

Speaker 3 (01:43:32):
I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't. I watched it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
I wanted to see she broke the record on technical
free throws at the end of the first half. But yeah,
it just to me was what's so great about it
is how organic it was. And I thought that today
was just a little manufactured. She broke the mark, yes,
but it wasn't one that I thought. And by the way,
none of that's her fault. It's everything that goes around.
And just felt that it was a little manufactured.

Speaker 5 (01:43:54):
Interesting. No, I look, man, I think it's an amazing accomplishment. Obviously.
I know you not saying it isn't. That's not your point.
I get your point. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:44:04):
I don't know if what can make it feel organic,
you know, I guess would be the the question I
would have is what could have helped that? You know, like,
what did they do that made it feel so manufactured
to you?

Speaker 3 (01:44:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
That you know, and it's our network here, But Fox
had the thing up in the bug, Travis Scott was there,
they had the bug up and you know, the countdown
of it. But it just felt like another reason to
celebrate or to tune us in, and if you're a network,
you're doing that obviously, but it just we knew that
she was on the cusp of breaking Kelsey Plump's record
at the start of the year, just like we knew

(01:44:39):
Lebron when he broke Kareem's record, you know, was on
the verge of doing that, and so you're waiting for
that that mark, and then this forty comes along, it's like, well,
why not just celebrate that? And I felt like that
was like, well, then let's just celebrate this, you know,
and then you know, it was I guess it was
good to look back at Pete Marovitch's time as well.
Maybe that was you know a good reminder of it

(01:44:59):
for what he did, but I think he had a
lot of stupid conversations that end up coming from it
as well. But it just seemed like it was the
Kelsey Plumb stuff was more organic for the women's game
than just saying like now it's men's and women's because
I never never compared the two. I wouldn't have known
who had more at the start of the season.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
Anyway, I wonder if it's a here's my birthday cake theory?
Try this out, dan Is, Do you think it has
anything to do with Lebron getting to forty thousand points
the night before?

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
Like maybe you had some birthday cake and then the
next day, Hey, you want some more birthday cake, and.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
It's like I just had something. Is there anything like
that going on here?

Speaker 3 (01:45:41):
And I didn't want birthday cake the night before?

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Like I didn't care about Lebron's forty you know, thousand
point threshold.

Speaker 3 (01:45:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
I just Manchi Blanios is here to give us an update,
to give us the latest. Did you feel it was
all manufactured? Did you feel like there was like this
threshold that was crossed today?

Speaker 10 (01:45:57):
I mean, I just hated that it was done on
a freight throw, and I agree with you. I feel
like it it didn't need to have that much attention,
and once it happened to it could have just been said, oh,
now she has the most out of anybody. Yeah, you
know what, I get what you're saying in that aspect
that it just so much attention was drawn to it,
and I don't disagree with that, but I also don't
think it's like necessarily a bad thing. We've never compared

(01:46:18):
men and women, and I get that. But now she's
the leading scorer in all of ms Cuba.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
And that's why I say it's the person who just
wants to throw parties. Oh it's flag day, Yeah, let's
have a party. Why it's flag day. It's an excuse
to have a party. All right, go ahead, you know what,
on a game, I'll come over all some doogs. Yeah
that's yeah, Like that's that's kind of like what I
felt like. It was just like, well, let's just celebrate
this or why well, why not, good point, let's do it.

Speaker 11 (01:46:42):
Let's yeah, I mean, you're not totally wrong in that.

Speaker 10 (01:46:45):
Since we started with college sports, we'll continue on in
the men's side. Number three Yukon cruise pass Seaton Hall
ninety one sixty one, clinching its first outright Big East
championship in twenty five years. Now, softball, we all have
I've heard of Oklahoma's NCAA Division One record seventy one
game winning streak.

Speaker 11 (01:47:04):
It ended today.

Speaker 10 (01:47:05):
What, yeah, I know, So I think so Louisiana visiting
Louisiana pulled off the seven to five upset. So oklahoma
seventy one game winning streak came to an end today.
But you know, South Carolina back to the Ladies hoops.
They completed their second straight perfect regular season with the
victory today over Tennessee seventy six to sixty eight. Now

(01:47:28):
onto the NBA. I don't like that what I'm about
to tell you. Jalen Brunson seemed to have injured himself
in a weird jump shot play. He needed help getting
off the court and going to the locker room. It
was one of those bizarre situations. It didn't look like
anyone made contact with him.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
Oh boy, yeah, speculation, I'm not speculating.

Speaker 11 (01:47:50):
Oh the Internet is speculating. Lots of them are speculating.

Speaker 10 (01:47:54):
And yeah, Arney Spaniard is already like, oh my god,
things can't get worse, Nicks like, he's already thinking it's bad.
But the Knicks are beating the Cavs right now, twenty
two to seventeen late in the first quarter. The Spurs
up on the Pacers late in the first quarter as well,
twenty five fifteen. It's a tie game between the Hornets
and the Raptors. They're tied at sixty halfway through the

(01:48:15):
third quarter. The Magic extending their lead over the Pistons
seventy eight to fifty three halfway through the third as well.
The games that I've already finished in the NBA, Celtics
crushing the Warriors one forty to eighty eight, first team
in NBA history to have three fifty plus point victories
in a one regular season so this is their third
game this year that they have won by fifty or more. Clippers,

(01:48:36):
as the Timberwolves eighty nine eighty eight seventy six ers
held on to beat the MAVs in Dallas one twenty
to one sixteen. Kyle Larson is your winner at the
NASCAR Cup Series in Las Vegas, his.

Speaker 11 (01:48:45):
Third career win there.

Speaker 10 (01:48:47):
In the NFL, Joe Burrows spoke to ESPN and he's
telling them that he thinks middle of May is when
he's going to be completely cleared from that torn ligament
that he had surgery, and it was a season ending
injury for him during.

Speaker 11 (01:49:00):
Week eleven, So almost there. And I just saw that
Pro Football Talk is reporting.

Speaker 10 (01:49:06):
The NFL's plan for an eighteen game regular season is coming.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
Oh yeah, Oh it's been brewing a little bit.

Speaker 11 (01:49:13):
Been brewing, so we're hearing more about it.

Speaker 10 (01:49:15):
And the new kickoff rule, apparently crafted by NFL special
teams coordinators, would allow teams to attempt an on site
kick only when trailing in the fourth quarter and require
them to declare it in advance.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
That eighteen game schedule wouldn't come until the new CBA,
which is still six years away. Twenty thirty would be
the season. But even Andrew Berry of the Browns alluding
to the trade deadline was I think a point that
Pro Football Talk made as well of people feel that, yes,
the eighteen game schedule is coming, and then everybody can
get their wish of having a day off after the
Super Bowl because you'd have the President's Day holiday right

(01:49:49):
after that.

Speaker 11 (01:49:49):
Yeah, maybe the All Star Game in the NBA will
just be done.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
And then yeah, or that could be the halftime show
from the to the Super Bowl. Then you go, I
appreciate it, Monci. It is a Fox Sports Sunday hit.
Brian up at the No Show. You can find me
at Dan Byer on Fox Am. I last storning into
a bit of a problem, Brian, know that, you know
listen as a Seahawks fan, I am all for replacement refs.

(01:50:17):
But the MLS has a whole different animal on their plate.

Speaker 5 (01:50:20):
Yeah, it's a weird story here.

Speaker 4 (01:50:21):
We're not going to break down you know MLS games
left and right here, but they've got replacement officials right now.
Remember the old fail Mary, Oh yeah, when you're Seahawks
and the Packers there. Well, we've got replacement refs in
MLS right now. And a story that got some traction
here is one of the replacement refs was replaced because

(01:50:44):
photos started showing up on social media of the guy
wearing an Inner Miami jersey. So they're like, no, you
can't ref the Inner Miami game yesterday against Orlando City
because these pictures are floating around of you actually wearing
Inner Miami gear. Is how it works, and I get that,

(01:51:06):
I understand that, but if you think about it, Dan,
you could still be a fan and be unbiased as
a ref. It'd be like a sports radio talk show host,
like we have our favorite teams, right, do you think
that we can't be so biased talking about teams?

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Ever, I sometimes think that if you're a fan of
a team, you're more critical of that team, then maybe
you would be because you know them. If you're a
half glass empty guy like I am, I sometimes feel
like I'm more critical of my team than maybe I
should be, or I always look at the things that
could go wrong with them. However, in this instance, if
you can directly help them, and by the way, they

(01:51:44):
didn't need it. They won five to zerl, so they
they maybe that was part of the plan. Maybe the
other guy was also a fan, and this is part
of their you know, they're their misdirection. But I don't
know anyway, And listen, it's not like they're a new
an old team right like where it was like, hey,
ten years ago, I had a you know, I had

(01:52:05):
a Steelers jersey when I was in college. Now I'm
an NFL ref. You know, like still those optics would
would not be good. But this is a newer team. Obviously,
the flavor of more than the flavor of the month,
are inner Miami. Yeah, you just you would like to
believe the guy, but there's no way that you could
do it. Heck, we look, we look out where refs

(01:52:27):
are born in the NFL, like or in college football back,
oh the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:52:31):
Guess what?

Speaker 3 (01:52:31):
The guy was born in Upper Michigan. No wonder why
the wolver calls. You know we do that.

Speaker 4 (01:52:38):
Remember the the no call in that Rams Saints NFC
title game. I'll never forget. Heading into that game, Bill
Vinovich was the lead ref and the Rams were zero
to eight in his games, and there was a petition
floating around. All these people are signing it for Bill
Vinovic not to ref that game because the Rams were winless.

Speaker 16 (01:53:01):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
And then there's the no call that benefits the Rams
when all these people are like, get them out of there,
we don't want the guy. So yeah, you can imagine
how it would go if Bill Vinovich was like wearing
a hood At shirt or something like.

Speaker 5 (01:53:15):
People would be going crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:16):
Oh that's I did not realize that set because usually
like you would have that like we know that was
Scott Foster, you know, like with the NBA and Chris
Paul like, but those things like aren't easily researched. Sometimes
it's like, you know, a guy like Jerome Boger would
throw so many penalties, and if your team penalizes a lot,
you're like, all right, I don't know, we're in for
a long game. But to have the Bill Vinovich rams stat,
I had no idea. That's news to me. That's pretty amazing.

(01:53:39):
Well hey there, look see it didn't matter. But those
are all star crews as well. So even the best misscalls,
whether you're a fan or not, I will say this,
the ref that made the call and the fail mary
uh huh.

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
True story. He became a.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
Insider of officiating for us at Fox Sports Radio, and
no kidding, our producers no longer here off the bigger
and better things, had this guy's number and would call
him up and would be a guest on our shelves.

Speaker 3 (01:54:07):
Yes, the guy too. And as the Seahawks fan.

Speaker 2 (01:54:09):
By the way, I knew it was an interception, but
I also knew, I go, these guys don't know the rules.
There's no way that they're gonna call it. They're gonna
say ty goes to the runner. Offense gets it. So
like I felt like I knew right away that they
were gonna win the game, and sure enough when they
looked at each other like touchdown, Yeah, it was a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:54:27):
It was crazy because you had the two officials and
they were each signaling different things. So I'm curious the
guy that you had on the air, which signal was
he going?

Speaker 3 (01:54:38):
He was the one that did that, that gave the touchdown.
That was the one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
Because then he made a career out of it, like you,
he profited off, which, by the way, he should have
because he wasn't gonna ref another game like this is
your moment in the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:54:50):
Make you know, make what you can of it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
But yeah, to have him come out as an expert
of knowing the rules probably wasn't our best judgment.

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
But hey, man, props to him. He parlaid that into
something bigger.

Speaker 3 (01:55:02):
That's great. Oh he's probably no.

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
I'm Dan Baierrier Alive from the TIREC dot Com Studios,
wrapping up this edition of Fox Sports Sunday. Coming up next,
one prominent name in sports has taken a stand and
he's not gonna take it anymore. I'll tell you what
that is next on Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Sunday.
I'm Dan Byer. He's Brian no wrapping things up. Hit

(01:55:24):
him up at the No Show. You can find me
at dan Byer on Fox. Speaking of X formerly known
as Twitter, Johnny Manzel took to Twitter yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
Did you see He's got Reggie Bush's back? Brian?

Speaker 2 (01:55:36):
I did see this, Yeah, he tweeted quote, So this
is Johnny Manziel. You can back a Brinks truck up
to my house and I still will not attend the
ceremony or do anything involved until Reggie's Heisman trophy is
back where it rightfully belongs. This is about doing what's
right for everyone involved. Reggie's play on the field inspired
me to be the football player that I am. To

(01:55:58):
the Heisman. Trust, I hope you understand my positioning. You
know that I have nothing but love and respect for
that trophy and the people associated with it. It changed
my life for the better forever, and I will be
eternally grateful for that until my last day on this earth.
The bond of the brotherhood means more than anything else.
That's truly what makes the fraternity so special. Peace and

(01:56:19):
then he tagged Reggie Bush in it.

Speaker 5 (01:56:21):
A little piece at the end there.

Speaker 2 (01:56:22):
I just there a couple of things with this. For
as great as I think that Johnny Manziel was as
a college football player and the year that he won
the Heisman Trophy, let's also be real the Heisman Trophy
in reality does not need Johnny Manziel. It does not,

(01:56:43):
and in fact, the Heisman Trophy probably didn't love it
when Johnny Manziel was doing what he was doing throughout
his NFL career or what he explained what he was
doing now in his college career, I don't think that's
representative of the Heisman.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
I also think that it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:59):
Is Johnny man trying to get out in front of
something and it's something he doesn't stand up for Reggie Bush,
and not that he doesn't want the Heisman, but they
do think that there will be a time where Reggie
Bush gets his Heisman back once we get all this
nil stuff cleared up. And that's where I think it's
also of the of the positioning of being out in
front and taking the stand. But in reality, the Heisman

(01:57:20):
Trophy is a great trophy. It doesn't need Johnny Manzel
and I just find it's an interesting stand to take
for something that likely will come back to Reggie Bush
at least.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
At some point.

Speaker 4 (01:57:30):
It's gonna take a lot more than Johnny Manziel for
Reggie to get his heisman back, you know, and explained
some of the history there. When when Johnny Manziel has
documented being on the take when he was at Texas
A and M. You know, I don't know if that's
the guy that you want taking a stand for it.

(01:57:50):
Like listen, I think Reggie should have his heisman. He
accepted improper benefits when he was at USC and in
that day and age, it was a no no.

Speaker 5 (01:57:59):
So I think he should.

Speaker 4 (01:58:00):
But it's an interesting conversation, Dan, where some of it
I think is Reggie Bush was speeding when the speed
limit was at a different speed that time, You know
what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:58:13):
So let's say you're speeding.

Speaker 4 (01:58:14):
Let's say you're going eighty in a sixty mile per
hour zone and you get a ticket. Well, like years later,
they raise the speed limit, Are they gonna mail you
back the money you were fined?

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
Probably not, No, they're not.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
So even though nil has changed and things are different now,
it wasn't different back then.

Speaker 5 (01:58:35):
So I could see them sticking to their gun.

Speaker 2 (01:58:37):
Johnny tweeted within the past hour on how the last
two Heisman winners, Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams, made twelve
million dollars combined last year. And again that's under the
new image of the nil But you know who also
is not gonna like stand up Like Johnny Man's other
thing is okay in terms financially of where he is,
but the Heisman is the defining moment of you know,

(01:58:59):
some one like Eric Crouch, right those he think Gino
Torretta's not gonna, you know, attend to Heisman stuff or
he used to his benefit to stick up for Reggie Bush.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
No, it's not good. It's not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Like you know, Johnny Manziel doesn't need to, and there
are other Heisman Trophy winners that probably don't need to.
But there are a lot of other guys that are like,
all right, I can't take the stand with you because
that's how they're known, That's how they're forever gonna be known.

Speaker 4 (01:59:21):
Right Yeah, And uh, listen, it's who would have the
most cachet, you know what I mean? It's not Johnny,
but what former Heisman winner if he were to say,
I'm not attending until you do right by Reggie Bush,
who would have the most influence.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
I would I I honestly I would think like it
would be a recent one if they weren't playing in
the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
But uh, you know, gosh, Bo Jackson, you.

Speaker 4 (01:59:49):
Think maybe maybe yeah right, like, uh, wouldn't be Cam
after the seven on seven fight.

Speaker 3 (01:59:56):
No, they couldn't. Oh that would know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
No to Archie Griffin, you take the two timer, you know,
you go old school to do it. Yeah, yeah, I
think that. I think that was yeah, all right, Brian,
this is fun. Let's do it again soon for Brian know,
I'm Dan Byer. It's been Fox Sports Sunday at Fox
Sports Radio.

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