Dan Beyer & Ryan Hollins Preview Game 7 of Rockets v Warriors, React to the Lakers 1st Round Exit & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
What a twenty four hours it has been, and what
a twenty four hours it is going to be.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Welcome in. It is a Saturday night and we've got
a Game seven right in front of us.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Ryan Hollins is going to be dealing with the Game
seven tomorrow night. We are in the thick of it,
the thick of it when it comes to the NBA
Playoffs as a company from the Fox Sports Radio Studios,
Hit Ryan the ten year vet up at the Ryan
Hollins on Next you can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox. We're getting a taste right now, Ryan Hollins,

(00:36):
you're gonna get the front row seat tomorrow night when
the Rockets are home to the Warriors. And for those
that don't know, Ryan is the color analyst for the
Rockets television broadcast.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So what has this twenty four hours been like for you?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
After the huge win last night against the Golden State
Warriors to force that Game seven, now you've got this
Game seven going on in Denver, and then you got
to switch your attention back to Warrior years and Rockets.
It's got to be an absolute whirlwind of a weekend
for you.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
No, it is. You feel as much excitement as you
do unrest and I want to stay man. Our our
group probably still has ptst from that game for a
loss when our young crew could not hit a free throw. So, uh,
it's definitely excitement. You definitely see the cheers and again

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probably some of the frustration of you know, we know
how good our group is and they went out and
showed it. And now you see the national media and
the fans starting to buy in. And that's the best
and worst part of the playoffs is everybody's all in,
everybody's excited, and everybody's watching. But the worst part is

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you know, a guy all of a sudden can't play.
He's horrible, he's this, he's that, all these things, and
then you know two days later, Oh, they're so good,
they're so amazing. There's so this, there's so that, you know,
just just the sway in mindset towards these players, and
you know, I've had it from the players standpoint. It's

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just there is nothing higher than that, and you really
have to, you know, tune it out.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We'll keep you up to date of what's happening in
Denver Clippers, who are the twenty six to twenty one
and the first quarter lead. And so we'll keep you
abreast of what's happening in that game seven and talk
about what's happening in that contest. But I am curious
because what has your twenty four hours been like? Because

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if you're going through it as a TV guy, the
players have to be going through it, and they're the ones.
No offense to Ryan Hollins who puts in, you know,
yeoman's work when it comes to the broadcast, it's also
different when you're actually playing a game six. And the
reason I'm curious about this is because I think this

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shed some light on a topic that has been rising
throughout the week considering the elimination of the Lakers. So
what has been I assume you guys got in early
this morning from your trip to San Francisco.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
What's it been like?

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, for one, the flight is horrible. It's about at
least a three hour plus flight, So that clo. That's
first and foremost, okay, And then again, you don't have
time to rest, like our guys are right back in
the weight room lifting weights after the game. Our guys
went and worked out after the game. That's part of

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it because you have to think about the longevity, and
you don't have time to sit back and really think.
But you know, the jet lag is real man. On
top of that, you know, three hour plus flight, you
have a two hour time different, so you know you're
over there and you're waking up and your body's like, dude,

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it's five in the morning right now, in six in
the morinning, So you're definitely thrown off. And then the
TV games change and from the players standpoint, your workout
time change, shoot aroundant change, you know, so it's really
you know, learning everything on the fly. But for the guys,
it's absolutely exhausting. And that was one of my big reasons,

(04:20):
my big keys on why Houston is more equipped to
beat Golden State the longer this series goes on, because
you know, they can go get that one game or
two game where our young guys have to adapt. But
as time goes on, you recover a lot different in
your twenties, and we got a lot of twenty somethings
versus in your mid thirties. And that's the best players

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from the Golden State Warriors. You know, this is Jimmy
Butler in his thirties. This is you know, Steph Curry
in his mid thirties, and it weighs on them, you know,
it does. And I think in that last game it
really looked like it took a toll on Jimmy Butler.
Jimmy Butler came out, as you know, on point, as

(05:03):
you can imagine, and he exerted a lot of energy
where normally he drives the hole, he kind of just
passes and let somebody else get involved. He looked to
be aggressive offensively. And then the second half, man, I
think it really took a toll on him. Dad.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I think that it's it's well, it's well put considering
what happened in game five. And this is why I
ask you, like, if you guys are if you guys
are landing in Houston at like six am this morning,
and I don't know what the exact time, you know,
frame it is. The Warriors timetable is not too different.

Speaker 4 (05:35):
For one, let me clarify you. Okay, it's a three
hour flight from Golden State and then we get two hours.
If we get two hours at it all.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
Sure, so so then what time is that?

Speaker 4 (05:46):
So then so we got in about like four o'clock.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Okay, so four we.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Laughed around back pulls around eight thirty and the bus
at nine and yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Okay, so four in the morning. So when you got back,
no morning this morning? Oh okay, okay, hey, hey, you can't.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Listen, No, we can.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
We can trade barbs and we laugh and you and
I know each other well enough. But I was under
the impression that you go, you did your workout, and
then you guys came back in the morning. That isn't
that isn't that far fetched, is it? I mean to
make the flight back to come back.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
You know, if this was a shorter flight, we would
have gone last night, sure and slop in our own beds.
But if we came in, we'd be getting in five
six in the morning. So no, no, no, with that.
I don't know if it's like an NBA rule or
by a sleep standard, but when you have that amount
of time and then you get two to three hours
added on, you will you know, you.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Will stay over.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
So that's that that Golden State's one of those places
you all, Golden State, Portland, those are those places you
always stay over. So that's one thing that's more terrible.
But it bodes in Houston's favor because they have the
thirty something's doing that. So no, no, no, sorry, we did
not go you know, last night or whatever. But nonetheless
it's still you still.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
See I wasn't. I wasn't in the left field.

Speaker 4 (07:11):
Like no, no, no, yes no, but normally, yes, you
would love to come back that night. You know, you
wouldn't love it, but it's better than staying.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
I always tell the story this is I covered a
few NBA Finals in my day and in two thousand
and seven, and the NBA Finals schedule.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Has changed to allow more rest.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
There's there may be like like two sets of games
in the same city that are now just a night apart,
but otherwise the NBA tries to give you ample rest.
But there was a time when the games were only
on Thursdays, Sundays and Tuesdays. And the Spurs and Calves
were playing in the seven Finals, and the Calves got

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ran off the court in Game two in San Antonio,
and there was a Game three that was a Sunday night,
and there was a Game three in Cleveland on Tuesday night,
and I remember the Calves were going out after that night, Okay,
so I knew that they were staying in town.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
They weren't flying back to Cleveland. They were staying overnight.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
So that's so it's so I get the concept of it,
but like they were going out that night and I thought,
oh boy, like you're down two in a series and
you got a quick turnaround. I granted a little bit
younger than the Spurs maybe could handle it. And they,
you know, came back to Cleveland ended up getting swept
in the series. But so there's, as you said, there's

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when you have a longer flight, and maybe San Antonio
to Cleveland was you know, the same thing where the
Cavs are like, we're gonna stay and we're gonna stay overnight.
But the point goes back to what you're talking about
with the ages when you're in your thirties and your
Jimmy Butler and your Steph Curry, where I think a
lot of people felt like the Warriors are putting their

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eggs in the basket of Game six because of the
dominant performance early in Game five. They kind of just
wave the white fly can say all right, we're calling
it off. Our guys are gonna play a lot of
minutes because we want to save them for that Game
six that was two days later. Now Here you are
your guys played a lot of minutes? Ryan Hollins in

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Golden State, Jimmy Butler, Steph Curry both had over forty
minutes on Friday night, and now you've got to come
back and play a game seven on the road. It's
a bit like with leb Like when Lebron and the
Lakers ran out of gas against the Timberwolves in Game
five on Wednesday night, I felt they didn't have as
much of an excuse because they had two days. They

(09:35):
didn't play since Sunday, even though they played a lot
in that game four loss in Minnesota. Now to have
Golden State kind of put all their eggs in one
basket for last night, Yeah, I think it's going to
be difficult for them tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (09:49):
No, you're spot on, and that's absolutely what Kurr did.
And he knew that he had to find a way
to rest his guys and he had. You know, they
were in the driver's seat when they stolen at home
and then they won to at home and they took
care of business. And because of that, Steve Kerr absolutely

(10:09):
went out and punted the game. And you know, you
saw minimum minutes from Curry and those guys and that
was for sure the mindset and that's why he did it.
Now at the end of the day, Yeah, Houston swayed everything.
And the reason I knew it was going down like
that is because I saw it happen before it actually

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happened to me, Dan, and we've talked about this, and
I know the mindset, and it was actually Lebron. Lebron
did to me what the Rockets are doing to the Warriors,
and we were up three to one, and they just
essentially have to get that game at your place, and

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they got the game at our place. We knew the
series was over because we weren't going to beat him
in Mia for a number of reasons. You know, I
don't I don't want to say the referees. I think
that would be petty. But they run faster, they jump higher,
and they're they're going to have a lot of energy
at home, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, absolutely, and and honestly, like in this situation, and
I don't know if it's compared to when you were
you were playing, but I think a game like last
night shows why Houston was the two seed in Golden
State was the seventh seed, and I know, like like
I understand that there there was a log jam for

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you know, a decent amount of the Western Conference, but
Houston it's separated in themselves a little bit.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
They only ended up getting the two seed by two
or three games, but still you guys were in the
two seed. I feel for for at least a decent
amount of time and correct me if I'm wrong. No,
for a long lot of time.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I mean, I think the last three or four games,
we just suited up, you know, our rookies and sophomores
essentially at the end of the day because of that. Yeah, yeah,
so we took care of business.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, absolutely, And so ultimately in a seven game series,
which the NBA wants is they're better teams to rise
to the top. But I also think when when we
look at tomorrow and it sounds like I'm saying the
Rockets are gonna win, the Rockets are the better team,
like the like they they are, They're just they're the
better team. It's what happens in the realm of this series.

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And I feel like we feel like, well, all you
have to do is win four games. So winning four
games is a lot different than they're the better team.
And so when you look at what the Warriors had done,
and they end up going up three to one, and
you're saying, yeah, it's the Warriors. I don't know if
they were the better team. They were just figuring out
a way how to win three games. And that's actually

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what I think it's gonna be so difficult tomorrow for
the Rockets is how do you win that fourth game?
Because that's what it comes down to. It's they are
the better team, they are gonna they're gonna have home court,
everything should be there, but it's solving that riddle of
preventing Golden State in that scenario. I remember a couple
of years ago when we were sitting here talking about

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Sacramento and Golden State and how much you thought Sacramento
was gonna give it to the Warriors and how things
were gonna play out and what happened seven game series.
Then it comes down to it, Sacramento couldn't figure out
the game seven, couldn't figure it out. And I think
that's what's going to be important for your Rockets club
tomorrow because they are the better team, but the better

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team in Game seven doesn't mean anything. You have to
figure out how to beat Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler,
which is why I think a lot of people pick all.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Gonna go with Staff.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I can't bet against playoff Jimmy. Now you get to
that scenario, That's what game seven is about.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
To me, I don't think you understand how much faster,
how much higher that the rockets you jump at home.
The excitement is there, and there was a moment where
you go, well, they don't know what the playoffs are
going to look like. They don't know the intensity, they
don't know the focus that it takes to be there.

(14:08):
And our guys have figured that out, Dan, So I
don't agree with you in the sense where I know
how hard it is, and I know that they've started
to kind of, you know, understand what it's going to
feel like at that level. And that's where for for Houston,

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our guys feel extremely confident and they should. And when
I was asked about it, that was I was very
direct and saying, oh no, you let it go to
a Game seven. You know you're you're cooked, and that's
what we're seeing, you know, at the end of the
day from from from the Warriors, and obviously you know
it's never just a foregone conclusion and The reason I

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also feel extremely confident is that the Houston Rockets are
equipped to guard Steph Curry as great as I've seen
them him be guarded. And there's no Klay Thompson, there's
no Kevin Durant. So when you help, you're saying one
of those guys can play one on one, and you
can make it as simple as to say that they
don't have that second option that can go get a

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forty ball, that can go get a fifty ball in
a game like this. And Jimmy Butler, you know, he
doesn't stretch the floor. He really plays one on one.
So you're not starting with Jimmy Butler with the ball
in his hands, or starting with Jimmy Butler off the ball.
And because he's off the ball, now he's getting the
ball with five, six, seven, eight seconds on the clock.

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And it's not the same mindset that you're used to seeing.
It's not a perfect fit necessarily.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
So you're saying, throw it all out. This is were
you were? You in Boston with the lebron and the
Heat series.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
Was that, Yeah? I was in Boston, yep.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, So you're saying that back then, you guys were
the older ones and despite all the experience that you
may have had, ultimately because the Heat were younger, quicker,
faster and figured it out that that's what's going to
prevail the Rockets tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
Well, is that all figured out. The role player has
much played much better and Houston's extremely inexperienced. So where
Lebron maybe didn't have a championship mindset when he turned
the corner and at game six, you know, he was
different and he didn't have to have to have this
have that same output because the Heat were that much
better at home and the difference then I wish to
remember this role players played better at home versus on

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the road, and where our guys were struggling is because
they were that young, Like this is a first this
is a this is the first day of school for
a lot of our guys, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Yeah, but it's not the first day of school for
Fred van Vliet, and he's been I'm just I'm guessing,
but it's he sure has been the reason or the
difference in these last two games. And it's not surprising
because we had done a show together a couple of
weeks ago at the start of the series, and I
asked you who's going to get the calls from the officials,

(16:59):
because I didn't think that, and I think Jalen Green
would be getting calls from the officials, and you.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
Said that it's Fred van Vliet.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
And while it's not the exact same question and answer,
he's he's been. He's been that guy over the last
two games, and it's allowed other guys to do There
are other three things. Shanngoon's been great in the series.
Steven Adams magnificent. You've got the advantage inside, so I
get all of that. But Fred van Vliet has been

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it's been magnificent these last two games.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah. No, Fred has the the experience in the experience
right now is absolutely winning out so you're you're right,
and even bigger than Fred. Fred hit shots, so he
was able to be aggressive. But our guys, like you
got understand, they're getting used to just what a playoff
foul looks like. I mean you you had Traymond Green

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just wax Jalen Green like like they're like the like
there is there's been some wild moments that it absolutely
happened when you're going, man, what is what is this?
Like it's got to a point where like it wasn't
even basketball, So you know those are those are adjustments,
you know, and that's just, Hey, you're going out and
you're playing with the you know, your uncles or somebody

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to driving. The first thing you know they're gonna do.
They're gonna hit you, man. They're not gonna try to
run around and jump with you and out jump with you. Man.
They're gonna they're gonna take you out. And you know
there's an adjustment in many aspects for our young Rockets.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
Well, it should be interesting tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
It's the second it's the late game tomorrow night that
we've got to the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
The game going on right now, the other games seven
from the first round.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Nuggets not lead the Clippers thirty four to thirty with
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whittling down the NBA playoff picture to eight. Is there
a team that America needs to get behind. Maybe it's

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Speaker 2 (19:15):
To Fox Sports Saturday. I'm Dan Byer. He's Ryan Hollins ten,
your NBA VET now, the television analysts for the Houston
Rockets on their TV broadcast. He's getting set for a
Game seven tomorrow night in his backyard of Houston.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
It's the Warriors and Rockets play.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
We are keeping our eye on what's happening in Denver
and at Game seven between the Clippers and Nuggets. Steve
de Sager, I'll have an update for us in just
a couple of minutes. Now, there's this Game seven, and
then there's your Game seven. But tomorrow the Eastern Conference
semis will start with the Cavaliers and Pacers starting their series.

(19:54):
The Nicks and Celtics won't start until Monday. And obviously,
because these two series are going in Game seven, the
Thunder and Timberwolves are awaiting on who their opponents are
going to be. But the Thunder will be at home
on Monday night to open this series, whether it be
against Denver or La and I'm looking at the brackets here,

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the NBA playoff bracket that we have, Ryan Hollins, and
I know there are Laker fans who are disappointed their
team is no longer in it, and there's a decent
chance that the Warriors will no longer be in it
with your Rockets knocking them off. So then who do

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the bandwagon fans have to cheer for?

Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
That's who we have to ask ourselves. If you're a
Lakers fan and they're not in it, who do you
pull for in the NBA playoffs? And if you're a
Warriors fan and they get ousted, who are you going
to pull? The rest of the way with the eight
teams that are left in the NBA playoffs, And I've
figured it out. I have figured out the one team
that you need to root for in these NBA playoffs.

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H okay process of elimination. Boston and New York eliminated
from contention already. The Knicks are not going to become
America's darling because they're New.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
York's darling, and everybody hates.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
What New York has. They're all jealous. They don't want
to deal with the Garden, they don't want to deal
with the Garden mystique Nicks off the board, probably ten
times worse with the Boston Celtics because they actually win championships.
So like Boston can't be America's team because they're winning
and with their tradition, So that's that's not a great story.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
To get behind.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
I think the Indiana Pacers and John Halliburton have ruined
their chance of being America's team. HM, Yes, because of
the taunting. How are you gonna how are you gonna
get on board with an underdog like that when you're
taunting other NBA superstars.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Pacers are off the board. You know.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
The Cleveland Cavaliers were able to bring in Donovan Mitchell,
They've swung some other deals, rebound with Lebron. Really good
candidate to be America's team, but they're just not there
for me. Minnesota's not there for me. Anthony Edwards was
the number one overall pick. The tim Wolves had Karl
Anthony Towns, but traded him and brought in Julius Randall.
They gave a boatload of picks to Rudy Gobert. There's

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wheeling and dealing there. The rockets for as great as
your rockets have been. They added Fred van Vliet had
a bunch of top five picks that they were able
to land in the lottery. So I'm not on board
with that. The most organic squad that I think American
can get behind in Seattle, I'm sorry, but it is
the Oklahoma City Thunder for what they have accomplished this

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season and for how this team has been put together.
Remember Sga was the good young player in the Paul
George deal, not an MVP candidate, not MVP caliber, not
the MVP of the league, which we think he's going
to be, but the good young player in all of this.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
The piece is that they have put together.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
Sure, they got chet Holmgren number two overall, early lottery pick.
I get all that there have been some other lottery
picks as while, but we're not talking top five guys.

Speaker 4 (23:12):
Why are we not cheering for lottery picks?

Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well, just because I don't think that. I don't think
that you should. I think that it's an easy way
when you like this.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
The Pistons story has been great because the Pistons have
been bad. But then again, it's like, well, you got
Kid Cunningham number one overall. Jalen Duran was a lottery pick.
I mean, the Sir Thompson was a lottery pick. Like
the Pistons were always in the lottery. At some point,
it's going to hit. So like we were rewarding badness,

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we were rewarding bad play. And I think the way
that the Oklahoma City Thunder were put together in taking
their losses and rebounding from now the Durant Westbrook era
and being able to build this juggernaut, they may be
good for the next twenty years can ing all the
picks that they've had, and by the way, they haven't
thrown away their picks, They're still accumulating them and using

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them in different spots.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
I think the Oklahoma City Thunder should be America's team
this year.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Here's why I will. I hear what you're saying. I
think what's hurting Oklahoma City the one being in Oklahoma City.
It's not really the most beautiful place to go. With
all due respect, I think.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
There's other places you'd picked to vacation. That's nice, we say.

Speaker 4 (24:32):
And here's the thing. Yeah, if you're from Oklahoma, you're
a Midwest person. I'm sure you probably have more love
or more affinity towards Oklahoma Okay, here's the thing with Shae.
Shae's fashion helps. He is an icon, and we're speaking
more so to the young people, not to the me
and you, Dan. But here's where Shae has kind of

(24:52):
lost some of his fans or the excitement, and along
with Jalen Brunson, it's the foul baiting when they see
him getting to the free throw line. And it is
a skill. James Harden had done it, and James Harden
had probably lost some fans because of it also, But
those players that really draw fouls, they don't have the

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same respect or excitement. And I think it, although I
respect it, I get it. I know the skill that
Shaye's put forth in doing such. I think he's lost
some fans in that regard. I challenge you, and I
think maybe I gotta get hip to your times. I

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think the Houston Rockets, by far this whole season, have
been a team beyond my bias to get behind the
reason that I say it, Dan, and tell me if
I'm wrong. It's that young blood of Amen Thompson, Jalen Green,
our Princhhing Goon. It's always those young teams that excite
a fan base or a younger fan that's trying to

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get into the game of basketball. And you see those
guys and the young people relate more so to the
men Thompson's and the Jalen Greens and the Jabari Smith
juniors than they do to the Van Vliets or the
older players. So there's something about these being, you know,
second and third year guys in the mix that's really

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exciting people to the Houston Rockets.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I can agree with what you are saying. Here's why.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Again, they have so many not only do they have
lottery picks, they have so many top five lottery picks.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
And that's that's my thing. That's a negative. I know
you don't, but I do.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I think as we are trying to decipher the reason
to cheer, I mean Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, Reed Shepherd
doesn't even play, and I mean he's a top lottery pick.
Like there's I think I'm in went ahead of a sore.
I think there were four or five.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
If I don't think if this was the first pick,
that doesn't hurt because those top picks don't always work out.
I don't think people look at it like I don't
want to see the rock pick do well, but say
like their their youth. Okay, let me give you this
to Dan our playing style. Our guys play hard and Dan,
we've had several shows right where the big fuss about

(27:26):
the NBA is that we don't the league doesn't play
hard enough, and we have a group that like gets
after it. They they they're they're they're tough, they're physical,
they're athletic, they're exciting. But the physical play from an
NBA fans standpoint, I've heard a lot of people, even
the the ogs of the league, the throwback players, going, man,

(27:46):
y'all play hard. I like, what y'all do? You guys
play hard, You guys are tough, you guys don't back down.
It's not a it's not the prettiest style of basketball
under coach u Doka, but it's the I think it's
a style that people want to see. They're like, cool,
it's been a while. These guys play hard, they get
after you. It's a it's it's tough basketball.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
I'll tell you what it's.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
It's gonna be tough to have America's team get behind
the Canadian villain of Dylan Brooks. But I also think
the history of em Udoka and how he ends up
in Houston is not going to help factors when you're
looking at America's team. So I think that that aspect
of it as well of Okay, we're not gonna hold

(28:30):
things against someone forever. But if we're making like this
sake of this argument and how it happened, I do
think that those things come into play. I think they
absolutely come into play. I'm not saying Houston is the
bad guy. I'm not saying that. I just don't think
that they're the candidate to overtake Oklahoma City as the
America's team to cheer for.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
This city has this. Now, now let me ask you this.
When you're saying cheer for what demographic are you talking to.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I'm just talking for the team that didn't sit in
the front of the lottery and have a top five
pick year in and year out and load up and
hit and miss. Like I was talking about the Pistons
a little bit with the Rockets, talking about you can't
just you can't just casually be a Celtics fan, right
like you can't be like, you know, I'm not gonna
cheer for Boston this year, Like no, They've got, you know,

(29:23):
eighteen championships there's there's no way that you can cheer
for them.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
I don't think any New York team in.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Any sport is that team that you get behind because
that's New York's team and they're going to be obnoxious
about their team.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
So you're trying to find, Okay, well, where do we go?
Where do we look at?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
And the way that Oklahoma City was able to be
almost in a way organically built. You know, a guy
like Lou Dort Jalen Williams was not I mean he
was a lottery pick, but later on in the lottery,
the players that they've been able to put together, acquiring
Alex Caruso in a in a nice deal from the

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Chicago Bulls to bring I think that the way that
they've been formed organically, and with the history of Durant
leaving and then Russell Westbrook's situation not necessarily working out
and now SGA blossoming into a star, I think there's
a lot to get behind it.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Oklahoma City.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
I'm not I'm with you. I just don't think Oklahoma
City is that appealing of a place to get behind.
I don't think I hear what you're saying team as
a purist, but I'm saying the playing style the old
heads like from Houston. The young kids who like fashion

(30:40):
are gonna like Jalen Green and Dylan Brooks and what
they wear. I agreed, Dylan is a villain. He's not
everybody's a quiet taste, but he will put you in
the national media. No different than Draymond Green, Okay. And
it's I think it's just you have a little bit
of everything. And then Houston has had success this season.

(31:00):
They're the team that everybody looks up and goes hmm okay,
and I've heard it from everybody. I like what you
guys are doing. Man. You guys play hard. You keep
hearing Okay, you may not be there, but you guys
play hard. And there's something about that underdog mentality, and
you know, going and knocking off these old heads, the
Lebrons and and the Curries and the Durance guys. I get.

(31:23):
The whole season have done it.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I get.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
I think people would love to like if you're a
young young basketball fan, you're gonna be drawn to Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Who wouldn't, right?

Speaker 4 (31:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Man, absolutely, you know Jalen Brunson for what he's done
with the Knicks. I mean I don't know, like, as
you're sitting there talking about a grind out team, you're
obviously being you're in awe of what Jalen Brunton has
done in the clutch with the Knicks. But again, you
can't cheer for the next because their fans are obnoxious.
It's absurd, like they're out of the equation. As they said, Minnesota,

(31:55):
for as great as they've been in, for as dire
as the success that they've had, still Ant was number
one overall. Bit Kat when he was there was a
number one pick, but he was you know, ended up
being dealt. Just saying, I love the way that Oklahoma City.
They never never panicked Sam Prest, he never panicked with
his picks. They really only had two bad years of basketball.
Then it was the playing and last year the number

(32:16):
one seed and they get ousted and now there's a
bit of revenge, there's even that with it. Maybe the
tom for Houston will come, But just right now, I
think of the teams that are remaining as Oklahoma cities.
Let's get Steve de Sager's opinion on that. Plus he's
gonna give us a score update on what's happening in
Game seven Hello, Steve, Happy Saturday.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Hello.

Speaker 6 (32:32):
I agree with Oka see and I think most of
the country doesn't know or care how they got a team.
And also you're kind of starting fresh because comparatively to
the franchise, as you mentioned, this is almost an expansion team.
You kind of are the ground floor here.

Speaker 3 (32:46):
And I'd say this because they're the only show in town.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
It's you know, Houston's got the Texans have got the Astros.
All these other markets have other teams. It's the only
show in town in Oklahoma City, they need something good at.

Speaker 6 (32:58):
Cheerful till Oklahoma Football all starts. You bet halftime at Denver,
the Nuggets just come off a great second quarter. They're
leading the Clippers at the break now fifty eight to
forty seven. Outscored the Clips by sixteen in the second quarter.
Nikola Joki Schuld start at zero of six shooting. He
went three for three in the second quarter. He's up
to six assists in the first half. James Harden of

(33:19):
the Clippers ten assists already, Kawhi Leonard fourteen points, and
Iviza subots Clippers centers had a great series. He has
twelve rebounds in the first half, but a double digit
lead for the home team in Game seven of this
first round NBA Playoff series, Nuggets up fifty eight forty
seven at the break. Golden State plays a Game seven
at Houston Sunday night to end the first round. The

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winner then starts a conference semifinal against Minnesota on Tuesday.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
By the way, tonight's.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
Winner that game in Denver goes to Oklahoma City for
a Game one on Monday. In the NHL Playoffs, a
Game seven with Colorado at Dallas scoreless with about six
minutes left in the first period. Right now Sunday night,
there's a Game seven with Saint Louis at Winnipeg to
and the first round. Sovereignty won the Kentucky derby beating
favorite journalism on a muddy track. Scottie Scheffler leads by

(34:07):
six strokes in Texas. Late in the third round, Live
golf is in South Korea. Brice and Deshambo led by
four strokes going into the final round. A reminder, NASCAR's
next three Sunday races will be on FS one, and
IndyCar returns to Fox TV Sunday. There is we assume
baseball coming from Atlanta on Fox TV tonight and thunderstorms

(34:28):
are scheduled to continue tonight, so maybe it won't get started.
But Dodgers at Braves was what most of the country
was due to see. Maybe they'll be playing two tomorrow.
We already know. Mets at Cardinals was rained out. They'll
play a doubleheader tomorrow. A lot of the country seeing
Royals at Orioles tonight. After an hour's rain delay, they
have resumed. It is scoreless in the top of the third.
Nationals leads seven to three at Cincinnati in the top

(34:51):
of the sixth, and a great pitching outing at Philadelphia
for Aaronola six scoreless innings and eight strike ads, and
it's now Philly seven to two over on the bottom
of the eighth.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
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Speaker 3 (35:35):
At Game one and a Game seven.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
The Game seven tonight, as you heard say, Denver's got
an edge on the Clippers. Does Nikola Jokic have nothing
to lose or everything to lose? Depending on the outcome
of this game, Ryan and I discussed next here on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Dor listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
It's Fox Sports Saturday. He's right, Hollins, the NBA event.
I'm Dan Beyer. Nuggets have that lead on the Clippers,
fifty eight to forty seven in this Game seven. A
lot of basketball to play. Two teams that finished fifty
to thirty two, the four and the five seed. No
surprise that they go seven games. How do you look

(36:20):
at these teams and how we view them, Ryan Hollins,
Depending on this outcome.

Speaker 3 (36:25):
Do we put them in the same the same grouping?

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Like, are we looking at at the loser one way,
no matter if it's the Clippers or Nuggets, and looking
at the winner a different way? Or Do the Nuggets
get a little bit of leeway because they won a
title a couple of years ago. Do they get a
leeway or do we hold it against them because of
what they did to Michael Malone and dismissing him at

(36:50):
the end of the regular season. When you look at
these two teams, is it is it fair if we
put them in the same bucket if one a loser
and one's a winner. You know what I'm saying, Like,
does Nicola Jokic does he have anything to lose in
this game? Does he have everything to lose depending on
the outcome of this game? Kawhi Leonard the same thing.

(37:10):
How do you look at these outcomes of these two
teams for how we're gonna look at them depending on
the outcome of this game?

Speaker 4 (37:16):
Oh, Dan, That's an excellent question, and it's it's extremely unanimous.
Niccola Jokic is as certified as it comes. There's no
question to his greatness or what he brings to the table.
You know how good he is, and that's not gonna
be shaken obviously. You know, without Mike Malone, there's gonna

(37:37):
be questions there, and I think the organization will be
questioned a lot more than the players and saying, hey,
you know, let's say this game gets tight, and it's
gonna be tight, and there is a turnover on the inbounds,
there's something, you know, something ends up happening. They're gonna
look and say, well, you should have got rid of
Mike Malone. That's why you kept Mike Malone. And that's
gonna be something from Denver side that will be thrown out.

(38:00):
But who has everything to lose right now? It's the
Los Angeles Clippers. You know. Now, granted they move on
from Paul George and you know they make those moves,
but I think all of the pressure at the end
of the day is definitely on the Clippers, and Kawhi
Leonards is coming to LA and not being healthy and everything,

(38:21):
and they've seem to turn the corner and make no mistake,
this is and I've said this, Dan, we talked about this.
This is as tough a series as you can get.
And I think these two teams are for real and
you know, whoever wins this has a real shot of
winning the NBA Championship, you know, at the end of
the day, because I think these two teams are that

(38:42):
talented and Kawhi Leonard brings an element to the Clippers
that you're going like, WHOA, we didn't see this coming.
So I think the Clippers at the end of the day,
they have everything to lose. I think with the firing
of Mike Malone, you're going to look at the front
office if they lose. But I think you can't challenge
what's been going on ultimately Denver.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, I think I'm right there with you. I think that,
and I've got their reviews on Denver than you do.
But ultimately I think that the title helps them, and
the move to fire Malone ultimately goes on the GM
and it's actually something we're going to be talking about
in about thirty minutes or so, front office and players
in the whole deal. But I just feel that the

(39:24):
Clippers don't get this done, and even if they would
win this game, maybe they don't beat Oklahoma City in
the next series. It's what do you do with this
Clippers curse? Because guess what, Kawi's made it through. Kawhi's healthy.
Norman Powell should have been an All Star this year.
James Harden was magnificent for this team in Kawai's absence,
when he wasn't around the first part of the year

(39:45):
and was able to carry it. Zubos has seemingly come
into his own and I think it's going to be
looked at as such a missed opportunity and the Clippers
clippering again, fair or unfair. I just feel that I
don't think Nikola yokicchi anything to lose. I think that
the Clippers have everything to lose in this scenario. Yeah,
even though Kawhi having the title.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
No, you're right, and man it is man, they are
having a heck of a year. They are. It is
like everything is coming together for the Clippers. So no, Dan,
I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
You're listening to Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Everybody's getting in on the act in Denver. You heard
Steve de Seger say it all Nuggets right now in
the third quarter of that game seven. You'd think Ryan
Holland said it would be the Nicola Jokic show. He's
still doing his thing. Eight boards, eight assists, It's got
eleven points, Aaron Gordon's got fourteen, Christian Brown's got fourteen,

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Russell Westbrook's off the bench.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
He's got ten.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
Complete effort from the Denver Nuggets, and I don't know
if it's a meltdown, I don't want to say a
complete meltdown from the Clippers. It's been an entertaining series.
They blew a fifteen point lead in Game one, obviously,
came all the way back to only lose on that
heartbreaker of I guess we could call it an alleyut now,
even though it was a yogad shot at the end

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of Game four, But wow, what a tough way to
go out. I did not see Game seven. Right now, now,
there's still a quarter and a half plus to go,
but Denver with a twenty three point lead.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
I did not see this happening in game seven.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Well, keep in mind, thoughing that same game, wasn't there
a roaring comeback from the Clippers to yeah and make
it that close? So yes, there's probably some more fireworks left.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Fair enough, fair point, don't want to count them out.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And yes, if we were going to say that, maybe
maybe I should have expected is considered. Denver kind of
had this edge in game four, but Denver getting When
Denver is winning, it's when everybody is able to contribute.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
It almost feels like you just kind of got.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
If you want to beat Denver, maybe have Jokic, just
get his and then worry about everybody else.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
It's a strategy that's been thrown out there in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
But when everybody is feeding, and it's why Nicolaijokich was
second of the NBA and assists this past season, the
Nuggets can be a pretty good team.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Yeah, you're right to that. There's a little bit of truth.
And when you play against players in the style and
Nicola Jokichen, Lebron, James and Is at his best, and
James Harden and those guys, you truly do pick your
poison and you say, maybe he gets forty, but he's
not gonna get fifteen assist But when he gets forty

(42:32):
with the fifteen assists, you really don't have a shot.
So you will go in and you know, again pick
your poison or try to find habits of guys. And sometimes,
like you know, playing against Kobe Bryant, one thing that
Kobe would do a little later in his career, he
would come out in the first half, the first quarter and
he just passed the basketball and he wouldn't look to shoot,

(42:54):
and you know, you kind of had to adjust and go, Okay,
what's what's going on here? And then in the second
half he get extremely aggressive. So you know, you really
do watch tendencies and you try to kind of catch
on to the habits of what they're doing. And with
those star guys, the star players, they can manipulate the
game different than other players can, so you do try

(43:18):
to gain plan for stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Absolutely, I feel Lebron would do that at times in
his career as well, like of trying to trying to
get others involved.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
Maybe not take on that scoring load.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
And you have to like if you're if you're gonna
you're gonna demand the ball as much as they do.
If you don't spread the ball around early, if you
need guys late, they're not gonna be there because they're
not going to be engaged or not going to be
a part of the flow. But right now it's all
Nuggets now a twenty five point lead with eight minutes
to go in the third quarter. This is crazy, but

(43:52):
I'm gonna make I'm gonna make another point.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
You know how. I know gambling is.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Prevalent in the United States, and why more more and
more people are, you know, getting opportunities to gamble and
bet on sports. The delay from what I have on
my screen to the update that we get from say
ESPN or CBS Sports or NBA dot com. Ryan Hollins,

(44:17):
it's a full minute. It's a full minute behind, And
I think it has everything to do with gambling because
of now people being able to bet in a lot
of states, being able to live bet if something would happen,
or something would happen in an injury time, if you're
watching at home and you're trying to get that line

(44:38):
in quickly, like the delay is crazy. Right now, my
screen says six twenty five left in the third, seventy
seven to fifty two Nuggets over the Clippers. Now I
do have a satellite provider. I'm not on cable, but
right now it says seven ten to go seventy five
to fifty two. So it's forty to fifty seconds behind
what is actually happening in the game. That is that's

(45:02):
that's a way that you know that gambling is taken
over the United States. A bigger delay between what actually
is happening at the arenas in the stadiums than what
is happening on your computer screen. He is Ryan Hollins.
Hit him up at the Ryan Hollins, you can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox. I did mention Lebron,
is there any reason to think that Lebron.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Would call it quits after this season?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Do you think you're kidding me? No, you finally got
Bronni there, it's an NBA with them. There's no way
he's calling it quits after the season. I'm gonna tell
you that much right now. No, we're not even gonna
fancy that idea. And you know we've seen this from Lebron.
It's just it's it's frustration. I think, what was it
like two or three years ago? You know, we were
saying and asking kind of the same thing. So no,

(45:50):
absolutely not, he's not He's not calling anything player.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Player option for next year. I'm not gonna go down
my why I think Lebron James should retire. Brow don't worry.
We're not going to do that today. We did that
last year. I still feel the same way.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Do you remember how mad.

Speaker 7 (46:07):
And I'm suddenly dude, I was like, and we had
Antonio Daniels on and then he got just as mad
that I would bring up the idea that I think
Lebron should retire.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
And for those that are.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Wondering, I just I just said that Lebron takes up
so much room in the NBA that it is stunting
the growth of other stars. And I still feel that way,
like I still feel that I didn't understand what I
would But but you say, like now that Bronny James
is in the NBA, I would look at it as

(46:39):
that's what Lebron wanted to accomplish, Like if there was
anything for him yet to accomplish in his career, he's,
you know, the all time scoring leader. Now he leads
in so many categories, he's got the titles. He then
now is able to play with his son that now
you're saying, Okay, what is there what is there still

(47:01):
to do and what is there left to play for?

Speaker 3 (47:04):
And that's the reason why I do think that it
is a question.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
The Lakers will obviously want him back and have him back,
but there is also going to be a point too
where there's going to have to be some shift in something.
But it is interesting on how the conversation always pops
up at the end of a season, and when you
have a season where it just looked like the Lakers
were completely gassed in their series with Minnesota, makes you wonder,

(47:28):
all right, how much do they have left in the tank,
how much does he have left in the tank, and
in that aspect, and are the Lakers that close to
winning a championship with a move here or there? So
I think all of those questions are legitimate, and Lebron
coming back would make you think that, Okay, the Lakers
are going to try to be able to make some moves,

(47:49):
and Lebron's going to be in the great shape that
he's in despite being tired after the exhausting efforts in.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Games four and five.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
But I think that those are all legitimate reasons why
this question ends up popping up.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
No, I mean, he's forty, for God's sake, there's no
question of course they're gonna pop up. But he's playing
at a high level. He's doing something we hadn't seen.
You know, his son is on the team. I wouldn't
be surprised if he wants Bryce, wants to play with
Bryce and really just just make it a record that
can't be touched or something that we really really have

(48:24):
never seen. So for Lebron, I don't think there's the
signs are slowing down. And you know, sometimes as ball players,
we get to the point where you go, I just
ain't got it no more. It's just not there, and
we haven't seen that from Lebron. So that's where when
you talk about him hanging it up, that's hard to

(48:44):
you know, really dive into that conversation because he's still
playing at a high level, and you know, I think
he's gonna have to get to the point where he's
gonna say, hey, I want more help, and that means
you may have to take less money. That means that
a number of things are gonna have to come out
and change if you if you do want help, you know,
you do want to have a chance to win a

(49:07):
world championship, and obviously Luca is a big step. But
for the Los Angeles Lakers and you clearly you see
you Rob Pelinka and JJ Meeton already with Luca, so
you know, they're very serious about winning. And I think
that they're they're trying to get a plan together in
place for Luca where they say, hey, we believe in you,
but these things got to change.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
How much hypothetically if Lebron goes, you know what, I'm
gonna just play for I'm gonna opt out of this
contract fifty two million dollars and I'm gonna play for
I'm gonna play for the minimum so you can get
the pieces that you need and build around me and
do what you need to do.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
How much do you think that would change a.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Narrative around Lebron or I should say, maybe give him
another feather in his cap. I'm not he's not going
to do that, but at this point of his career,
from everything that has gone on at this point, I
don't want to say, what's another fifty million to somebody,
because that's a different conversation.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
But if he was to take a pay cut.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
And maybe just bringing up the minimum is silly to
bring up. But I think that if he did take
a pay cut, it would be quite the statement and
oh be one that would I think it would resonate
at least throughout the NBA when we were talking about
I mean, Michael Jordan was making absurd amounts.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
Somebody.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
He was making thirty million dollars in season in the
mid nineteen nineties, you know, at that point, and so
he's making an absurd amount of money. For the Jordan
versus Lebron comparisons, there'd be one where Lebron ends up
you know, taking less at this point, and.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
He's obviously going to be taking should be.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Taking on less in his workload seeing how they puttered
out this season. I think it could change the narrative.
I completely agree with you that I think he's coming back,
and there's no reason that he wouldn't come back. But
I think if you just come back in the normal fashion,
maybe you're gonna get the same old, same old. Do
it in a different way. A lot of you get
those pieces, Dan, You're not far fetched.

Speaker 4 (51:07):
Because the Lakers need help inside, they need a center,
and that was the urgency to kind of make a
move for Mark Williams and it didn't end up working out.
And then inside Rudy Gobert goes off and drops a
thirty ball. So there's more focus there. But I think
everybody in the basketball world would say, in sports world
would say, oh, Lebron James did serious about winning right now? Yeah,

(51:30):
there's no question. So that absolutely would be a move
Dan that would, you know, kind of draw the eyes
and ears of the community and say, no, he's serious
about this. And here's the tough part, right Dan, when
you take less money, you know what that means, You
become expendable, you become you don't have the same power

(51:51):
that you once had. So if he did that, that
would be the challenge there. But when I pay you,
I gotta play you. I gotta listen to you. You know,
you're pretty much my headache at the end of the day,
you know, win loser draws. So that's the appeal for
Lebron to never do that. Hey, when I want to
make changes in the front office, or I want to

(52:13):
challenge something, I'm not okay with something, you got to
listen to me. Because I got that I have the value.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
And I think that is his name is worth of
fifty two million dollars. I think his numbers that you
put up offensively probably worth the fifty two million dollars
as well defensively. How much you want in playing in
the regular season, those are other topics to discuss.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
That I don't.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Know if they actually reflect those numbers, but the value
would be there for the Lakers. But I think to
your point of if you do take less, you also
are you know, yielding some of that powers, you know,
power to the front office. They got to figure out
what to do with Lucas contract. Lebron has said, yeah,
we want Luca back, implying that Lebron would be back

(52:55):
as well, but that Lebron would wouldn't be interfering in
any togations or contract talks there, which I just think
that's peer talking about peer player talking about player getting
their contract and not trying to get inside their wallet.
That's how I view that. He is Ryan Hollins. I'm
Dan Byer. It is a Fox Sports Saturday. Hollins and

(53:16):
I teaming up on a weekend for the first time
in a long time. Find Ryan on ex at the
Ryan Hollins you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Speaking of Lebron James Clutch Sports, Rich Paul said something
very very interesting. When it comes down to the Luka,
Doncic Anthony Davis trade, Ryan and I will discuss and
who the ultimate targets of that trade should be. That's

(53:38):
next here on Fox Sports Saturday. Fox Sports Saturday. I'm
Dan Byer. He's Ryan Hollins, the ten year NBA VET
the Denver Nuggets having a heck of a Saturday night
leading the Clippers as they head to nearing the end
of the third quarter. It's a ninety three sixty six

(54:02):
ball game, right now in favor of the Nuggets. I
know Denver made that comeback, Eric, the Clippers made that
comeback in Game four, and Denver may not be a
sure thing in Game seven's at home with leads, but
this one feels like it's over fine. Ryan again on
X at the Ryan Hollins. You can find me at
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(54:24):
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Speaker 3 (54:28):
Just search Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
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Radio videos on YouTube. Rich Paul was on Chris Haynes's podcast,
Haynes Briefs, which I think is a great play on
a great product, I'm sure, but Rich Paul had a

(54:53):
good forty five minute conversation and they're talking all things basketball,
and I was able to kind of scrub through the
interview and it really was interesting just to hear Rich
Paul talk about the business and he's a guy that
just loves basketball. But what Chris Hanes did was ask
him a variety of questions throughout the interview, and obviously

(55:16):
the topic of the Luga Doncic Anthony Davis trade was
brought up, and again not talking about the trade, but
maybe how the players involved in the trade end up
being collateral damage. Here is a bit from Rich Paul
talking to Chris Haynes at Chris Hanes Haines Briefs podcast.

Speaker 8 (55:37):
I know ad if he doesn't showcase himself to be
someone who was worthy of being included in his trade. Fore, Luca, like,
can you just speak to that dynamic, like this thing
that we're going to always like look at that trade
and view it from a successful lands or not.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
It's so misleading and keep the player the player. That's
not on the players.

Speaker 9 (56:04):
And as a matter of fact, you know, you can
take it a step further, you know. And again I
won't get into this goat debate or anything like that,
but in order to be successful as an athlete, oftentimes
we lean on the talent, right But oh man, you know,
I think Perk mentioned this the other day. I was
screaming crazy about something one time during the finals, and

(56:26):
you know, I don't talk that games or anything, and
I was I wasn't verbally screaming really, I was talking
with my eyes because you know, I don't really talk
at games like that. And afterwards the conversation we had was,
you know, it was educational for me in terms of
it ain't as simple and easy as you think.

Speaker 3 (56:47):
Right.

Speaker 9 (56:47):
But I say all that to say, it's not on
the players.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
Those guys can go out.

Speaker 9 (56:54):
And score thirty and forty and fifty, they can do
all that, but it's going to it's the race of
the front offices, right, Who's going to make the proper
moves to put the proper talent around for each one
of those guys to be successful?

Speaker 3 (57:10):
All right?

Speaker 2 (57:10):
So those are rich Paul's comments and really and who
the pressure is on as a former player, as a
now member of the media in this game, Ryan Hollins,
how do you take Rich Paul's comments on who the
pressure is on?

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Stumming from the Luca ad deal.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
For one man? This is stick I know rich I
love rich Guy, I love for rich Man. I'm a
big fan of everything he's doing. And it's just sticky
territory because he does represent Anthony Davis and he does
represent Lebron James, and obviously the history's there with Lebron

(57:49):
James and Anthony Davis gets moved and he was shocked.
And the challenge is say is how much did Lebron know?
And if Lebron know, you got his own rich new
and ultimately, at the end of the day, who ends
up in a better place. So it's tough to kind
of take whatever angle or whatever is being said to

(58:13):
the public, because you know, there's a lot more that
goes on behind the scenes with Luca coming to la
essentially and then Ad going to Dallas, and Ad essentially
could win win another championship in Dallas, he could be
in a better place. Let me tell you something. We
played against the Mavericks and in that first half where

(58:38):
Ad first got there, he was absolutely electric. They were tough.
I mean our guys like they couldn't even score the basketball,
that's how good they were defensively. And then you had
Kyrie and you had Clay like they just they were.
They look like a team that could absolutely compete prior

(58:59):
to injury. Unfortunately didn't last a half. And Anthony Davis,
you know, called pools, an abdomen or whatever you know,
ends up happenings. But I bring that up to say
that it's hard for me to have a take on
with Richard saying are not saying because you know, he's
got a lot of moving pieces going on behind the scenes,

(59:19):
and you may not fully understand what's going on. Because
we can see by the eye it looks like Anthony
Davis should feel very misled, you know, by things that
are going on, or you'd naturally question the relationship that
he has with rich Paul or the relationship that he
has with Lebron James, you know, and ultimately it seems
like those guys are fine, but there's just there's just

(59:40):
something fishy going on there now. Ultimately, I don't know
what it is or is it.

Speaker 2 (59:47):
I've I think that rich Paul is correct. I think
he's actually one hundred percent spot on correct. I just
don't think that's the reality that we live in. And
the reason I say that is I actually look at
that in a lot of in our business of doing

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radio shows, in other businesses as well, may be a
show that are listening people are you know, are listening
to the show like I don't like that show.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I turn that show off from that time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Well, whoever's hosting that show is obviously doing the show
that they want to do and trying to do it
to the best of their abilities ninety nine percent of
the time.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
That other one percent you don't have to worry about it,
I have to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
But the host is usually doing their work, so and
in a way, it's okay that person's doing their best,
just like Anthony Davis is doing his best, and just
like Luka Doncic is trying to do his best. But
I think to what you're saying is you know a
lot more. They know a lot more of the inside
information of what's going on. So maybe putting a person

(01:00:54):
in that spot when there's not public knowledge of what
actually is going on, I may say, well, geez, Anthony Davis,
why would you why would you waste you know, a
why would you do that deal if you're Dallas because
Anthony Davis is older and injured, not knowing something that
may be going on behind the scenes with Luka Dacic,
or not knowing what's going on behind the ends of

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the Lakers that make them trade Anthony Davis. But I
think ultimately, when you do the deal, and this has
been throughout time in sports, when players are traded for
each other, they're ultimately compared to each other. So while
I think Denny's right, and you may say, hey, that
Radio Boston put that host in that spot, or that
host is better in morning drive than they are in

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the afternoon, or that DJ is better on a hip
hop station than they are on a top forty station.
Those are all decisions that are made, you know, ultimately
by bosses and say our our medium. But ultimately you're
the one who's driving home from work listening to that
radio station and listening to that person. So that person
does have to perform in those spots in those are

(01:01:57):
the names on It's the It's it's the in the window.
For as much as we know Nico Harrison and Rob Polenka,
and I think Nico's name is a lot more well
known because of this deal, Ultimately it comes down to
the players. And I know Rich Paul says that that's
not fair, but look at this past week. People are

(01:02:18):
now trying to say, maybe Nico Harrison didn't lose that trade.
Look at what happened with the Lakers bobbing out, and
by and large, Luca has been an issue on defense
that we've known. Offensively, I think that he carried his
weight in that series with Minnesota. So none of that changed,
But ultimately it is on the players. Rich Paul is right,

(01:02:40):
it's just not the world that we live in. I
know that's a bit complicated and not trying to take
the easy way out on that, But since since I
followed sports for forty years, people are always comparing trades.
We're still comparing the Vikings and Cowboys from the Herschel
Walker trade. Now I'm joking, you know I'm joking, but

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like saying, look what it did for the Cowboys. Look,
Minnesota still doesn't want the super Bowl at that point.
Like those that's the reality that we live in. So
I get what Rich Paul is saying, but I just
don't think that's the reality. And unfortunately, in this situation,
for the player that he represents, Anthony Davis and obviously
Luka Dancc, those two players are the ones who are
going to have to live up to the billing to

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make that trade work for whatever side you're on.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Now, you're right about that, and there's a lot of
motions involved, and it's you know, you get the public perspective,
but I think what people are now seeing too also
is like, hey, let's call for what it is Anthony
Davis was sorely missed against Minnesota, and you're seeing his value,
you know, because you can'ried me. You can play seemingly

(01:03:48):
small or play seemingly big with Anthony Davis and you
don't miss anything inside, you know where they say, Okay,
we could have played one of our big guys, but
we might have lost some scoring. You know, we might
have been hurt there or hey, you know, when you
have a big guy or a shot blocker, it makes
Luca more comfortable, it makes Lebron more comfortable. Where those

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guys had to chase and rebound and they got war out.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
And if I was.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Minnesota, look, we talked about this, this is the game plan.
Everybody was jumping and say the Lakers or so this
so that I said, when you get to the playoffs,
that will be exposed. I said, in the regular season,
you can't really attack Luca and Lebron. You're not getting
that detail oriented. But when you get to the playoffs
and you got to see me for multiple games, they're
gonna run Luca raggedy. And that's what ended up happening.

(01:04:35):
You were gonna run Lebron. James got hurt man, they
ran him he was physically fatigued and out of it,
and that's what you saw. At the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
I thought that both Dallas and the Lakers would be
better off this season if the trade wasn't made.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I felt that Dallas would have been in a better spot.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Obviously they wouldn't have had Davis wouldn't have been out
for that period of time. But you're even talking about
in this series, what would have happened if the Lakers,
you know, held on to Anthony Davis and maybe he
misses a stretch of the season so their record is different.
But ultimately I think this season of both teams would
have fared better if they kept their players. I don't

(01:05:17):
think that this deal for the Lakers was done for
this season, and if it was, they Rob Helenka can't
even fully be blamed for it, considering the Mark Williams
trade ended up falling through. Now, who knows how much
Mark Williams would have played, but at least that was
part of their plan, like they had, let's do this deal,
we'll do that deal. We'll add some size here. Now

(01:05:39):
it'll be up to him in the offseason to try
to figure out how to get it done. But this season,
by and large, I just don't know how you can
can can say that Dallas would have been worse if
Luca would have stayed in the same thing with La
at least that in that Minnesota series.

Speaker 4 (01:05:57):
Sorry, Lego had two big questions that they got to
answer right now in two directions. One or we're gonna
force Luca to get in shape, or we're gonna ask
him to be a better defender, a better score. He
asked his stamma to be better or else. Or you're
gonna say he is who he is and we just
got to put a bunch of defenders around him. You

(01:06:18):
gotta figure that out. And then you got to understand,
you know not Lebron's definitely better condition, but with his age,
we got two guys we don't want to be exerting
a bunch of energy with. And here's the thing Ema
Udoka had similar in Houston. Alprin Shangoon was not the
best defender, but what he did for alp to be

(01:06:39):
an All Star said, You're gonna have to be better
on the defensive of the floor. You're gonna have to
give effort, You're gonna have to get in a stance
you're gonna have to communicate, You're gonna have to do
these things so much so where he's become night and
day such a better defender in his first time All
Star and you can see the success of the ball club. Now,
the question is, is Luca young enough and mold enough,

(01:07:03):
mouldable enough to where you can go in and ask
that of him. Where are you? Maybe it's a little
bit in between. Maybe you get something comparable to Anthony
Davis that can score and finish the ball inside and
is good enough on the defensive end. You know, a
lot of people look at Miles Turner was one of
those guys. I don't think he's going to be tradable

(01:07:25):
or movable, but those guys come with a lot of value.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
On the Maverick side of things. It obviously didn't work out.
But this is why don't give Nico the benefit of
the doubt, is because we've known that. I feel awful
for Kyrie, but Kyrie is dealt with injuries throughout his
entire career.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
This is from a short stint at Duke.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Throughout the NBA, Kyrie would be a player that you
would say is injury prone, and I would say Klay Thompson,
while not injury prone, went through significant injuries that robbed
them of two seasons of basketball basically. And so like
when you're talking about like the key piece is there
to add Anthony Davis, who is known as being.

Speaker 3 (01:08:11):
Oft injured that you know, that's that's the risk that
you run.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Now at Dallas, you've got Kyrie coming off of his
knee injury. I just I don't I don't know if
it's ever going to work out how Nico Harrison thought
it was going to work out. And people may say
this week that he's justified in trading Luca, But Luca
can lose twenty pounds, Luca can lose thirty pounds and
get into the shape or add muscle and do what
he needs to do. Luca can't come back to Dallas,

(01:08:38):
you know. And that's and and maybe he felt in
tow him. Maybe he felt last year as the NBA
Finals were enough, But now there's going to be pressure
on him and he's going to be in a Lakers uniform. Yeah,
I think that you you do have to severe, you
do have to put a severe effort to get back
into shape.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
Anthony Edwards has done that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
I writped Anthony Edwards for him joking about his diet
and how you would eat at Popeyes and eat the
you know, cheetoh hot fries, And it was a joke
until Luca and the Mavericks were cooking him in the
fourth quarter of the Western Finals last year, he was gassed,
came back in better shaped. This year, we'll see if
it pays off, if Minnesota makes a better run. But
Anthony Edwards at least, you know, took that criticism and

(01:09:17):
put it towards towards his game. Now it's gonna be
up to Luca to do the same. All right, He's
Ryan Hollins, I'm Dan Beyer. Let's go to the news desk.
Steve's gonna give us an update. Is it any better,
I guess? Is it any better for the Clippers or
is it just gotten worse in Denver?

Speaker 6 (01:09:31):
Well, it's better for the Clippers because we're close to
being put out of there, almost gone, yeah, exactly, fair enough,
so fair enough minutes to go. Denver's up one oh
three seventy six on the Clippers. This is fourth quarter
action of a Game seven in the NBA Playoffs, first round.
Now gets outscored him by sixteen in the second period,
had a seventeen oh run during the third quarter. All

(01:09:54):
the starters in double figure scoring for Denver. Nicolea jokicch
after a slow start fourteen points, eight rebounds, eight assists
right now, thirteen assists for James Harden of the Clippers,
most of that in the first half. Tonight's winner goes
to Oklahoma City for a Game one on Monday. Golden
State plays a Game seven at Houston Sunday night and
the first round that winter, and then starts a conference

(01:10:15):
semifinal against Minnesota on Tuesday. Cleveland's Darius Garland is questionable
for Sunday's game with the Sprain tow he missed the
cavs last two contest. Cleveland opens the second round hosting Indiana.
Boston will host New York on Tuesday to begin a
second rounder to the NHL Playoffs. A Game seven Tonight's
at Dallas, and it's the Avalanche in the lead, one

(01:10:36):
nothing over the Stars late in the second period. Sunday night,
there's a Game seven with Saint Louis at Winnipeg to
end the first round. NHL's conference semi start Monday with
Florida at Toronto. Sovereignty won the Kentucky Derby. Scottie Scheffler
leads by eight strokes. In Texas number one ranked arena,
Sablenca won Tennis's Madrid Open to Major League Baseball. Most

(01:10:58):
of the country was due to see on Fox TV
tonight Dodgers at Braves. Thunderstorms throughout the Atlanta area tonight.
They are actually intending to start this game in just
over a half an hour, but Fox has long ago
gone to the Royals at Orioles game, which itself had
an hour rain delay early. They're now in the bottom
of the sixth that Baltimore Royal shutting out the O's

(01:11:20):
two to nothing. Mariner's bottom of the ninth lead two
to one at Texas. Top of the ninth, Nationals lead
ten to five at Cincinnati. The late game just underway
Tigers at Angels. Angels have lost seven in a row.
Cubs won six to two. The final at Milwaukee. Mets
at Saint Louis rained out. They'll play a doubleheader tomorrow
at Miami. On a grand slam bottom of the ninth,

(01:11:41):
the Marlins beat the A's nine to six. Cleveland got
a grand slam top of the ninth to win five
to three at Toronto. San Diego won two to one
at Pittsburgh, got a run on the top of the
ninth on a wild pitch. The Padres were three for
twenty nine at the plate and still won the game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Back to you, So that Dodgers Braves game is that
they're going to try to still start.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
It, yeah, after a three hour rain delay at the start,
so they play tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah, So it gives them a little leeway.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Like if they were playing at one o'clock Eastern time tomorrow,
it'd be a tough ask to try to play a
game tonight and then come back the next day. So
that likely gives them a little leeway. Plus the scheduling
because now with the even schedule, like you have to
get these games in or try to figure out a
way to play a doubleheader.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
I guess they just didn't want to do that for tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:12:28):
Because everybody plays everybody in Major League Baseball now, which
means fewer visits to each part to make sure that
you do play each team. And I wonder if, because
it's the National TV game tomorrow night, if that was
a factory and saying, you know, maybe we'll have a
window to start this thing at ten fifteen Eastern time,
as opposed to just playing to tomorrow again the Mets

(01:12:49):
at Saint Louis. They are playing to tomorrow, but no
national TV game.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Yes, yes, good point, Steve de Sager.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Steve's going to stick around the next segment because Ryan
Hollins is going to get against the crew in a
game that we are calling the Golden Standard.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
Ryan Hollins, are you ready for that? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:13:08):
Okay, sounds ready.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Yeah, he is nervous. I don't know if you could tell, Steve,
he is very, very nervous. This is actually a game
where I think someone could get a perfect score. Okay,
we're just going to call it the Golden Standard. He's
Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. It's next year on Fox
Sports Saturday. It's Fox Sports Saturday. He's Ryan Hollinds. I'm
Dan Byer, hanging out with you. Game seven almost a

(01:13:33):
rap in Denver. Looks like the Nuggets will be moving
on to face the Thunder. That playoff series will get
underway coming up on Monday. Two games tomorrow at Game one,
Pacers and Cavaliers in the Eastern Semis. That'll be the
first game the last game Western Conference first Round. Ryan
will be there in Houston, the Rockets entertaining the Warriors. Ryan,

(01:13:56):
if you don't know, after his ten year NBA careers
transition to member of the media and now is the
TV analyst for the Houston Rockets and their broadcast. It's
your final broadcast of the season, no matter what, right
tomorrow it is because it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Is TV Rights.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
I would like to this to have been a suite,
but nonetheless, selfishly I get to see a lot more Rockets.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
Basketball, yes, and we'll find out tomorrow night if we're
going to be seeing more of.

Speaker 3 (01:14:22):
Rockets basketball even after that fact.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
So Greg Popovich stepped down as the Spurs head coach
yesterday and is going to transition to a full time
role as the team president of basketball operations. Popovich leaving
the game with the most wins of any coach in
NBA history. We are playing the Golden Standard, and there's

(01:14:46):
a reason why the game is called the Golden Standard,
Ryan Hollins, You're going to be playing against Ian Roddy,
our executive producer, Steve De Sager, our update anchor, and
our tech the co producer Mary Mack. All Right, everybody
for themselves all four of you will give an answer

(01:15:06):
for your own choice. And it's a simple answer, more
or less. And the golden standard is the Golden State
Warriors head coach Steve Kerr, who is twenty ninth in
NBA history with five hundred and sixty seven wins in
his career. That's twenty ninth of anybody who's coached in

(01:15:30):
the game in the NBA, twenty ninth doll time and wins.
I'm gonna give you guys a head coaching name, and
you have to tell me if it's more or less
than Steve Kerr's wins, if that coach has more wins
or less wins in their.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
Career, are you ready to play Ryan Hollins, Let's go
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
The first name, stan Van Gundy. Does he have more
or less career wins than Steve Kerr?

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
His career less? Less Ian Roddy.

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
I'm gonna go with less as well, Steve de seger I,
less Mary Mack.

Speaker 11 (01:16:10):
I don't even know who bro is, but everyone's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Something to go less, give yourselves a point. He does
have less not. It's it's very close. It's not as
big of a gap as you would think. Steve Kurr
is five hundred and sixty seven wins. Stan Van Gundy
is five fifty four. Wow, five point fifty four. Stan
Van Gundy is thirty second all time. So good job

(01:16:35):
on that one, all right, The next one, Mike Brown.
Mike Brown, former coach of the Calves, the Lakers, and
now most recently, the former coach of the Sacramento Kings.
Does he have more less wins than Steve Kerr's five
sixty seven? Ryan Hollins, He's got more, He's got more,

(01:16:57):
Ian Roddy.

Speaker 12 (01:16:59):
See, it's off with Ryan being the first one because
I former NBA player. I don't want to disagree here.
I I know he's he was was Slash is Steve
kurrs assistant, and.

Speaker 10 (01:17:09):
I don't know if he's back with the Warriors. Now
I'm gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
Less, okay, Steve de Seger.

Speaker 6 (01:17:15):
If I stand corrected on this one later, I'm fine
with that. There's no way he has more wins than Steve.

Speaker 10 (01:17:21):
All right, less Mary mack Still, I don't know who
bro is, but we're just gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
Less, okay, less the less have it four fifty four
in eleven seasons. Mike Brown four hundred and fifty four wins.
So Ian Stephen, Mary, give yourself a point.

Speaker 10 (01:17:38):
Hey, we were a.

Speaker 6 (01:17:39):
Great folk group too, Ian Stephen, Mary, Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:43):
I love it. Mary on lead vocals, you know that. Yes?
All right, guys, what about Chuck Daily? Ian, We're gonna
start with you.

Speaker 2 (01:17:52):
Chuck Daily won a couple of NBA titles with the
Detroit Pistons. You said you felt weird following Ryan high Hollins,
so we'll change the order.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:18:02):
Now I'm thinking I shouldn't have said anything.

Speaker 10 (01:18:03):
Yeah, you get data point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Yeah, So what you get for Chuck Daily? I'm gonna
say he is more, Okay, more, Steve de Seger.

Speaker 6 (01:18:14):
Dream team coach, he's gotta have more.

Speaker 11 (01:18:16):
I'll say more, Mary, he said, Piston says.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
Coach was he's no longer with us.

Speaker 11 (01:18:24):
You know, I'm a Michigander. So I'm just gonna say more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
All right, more? And Ryan Hollins less less. He has
more six hundred and thirty eight and fourteen seasons. This
is the interesting company We've got. We got two more
that will do quick here, all right, Tom Thibodeaux Ian.

Speaker 12 (01:18:44):
Roddy Timms has less than Kerr less.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Okay, let's go to Steve de saga.

Speaker 6 (01:18:54):
This is awful. He's probably tied, isn't he? Is that
why you picked him? I'll say more more.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
All right, Mary, I'm Tom tibde less and Ryan Hollins
less less. Tom Thibodeaux has eleven more wins than Steve
Kurtin in his career five seventy eight in thirteen seasons
five and seventy eight. In fact, Steve currs twenty ninth.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Tom Thibodeaux is assistant coach wins twenty eighth.

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
No head coaching wins, head coaching wins. I don't even
think they keep a stat for assistant coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:19:29):
Wins except for Luke Walton.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Oh geez, all right, Final one. Michael Malone, Ryan Hollins
will start with you less less, Ian Roddy.

Speaker 10 (01:19:44):
Yeah, I'm gonna go less Steve and Mary Mack I.

Speaker 11 (01:19:49):
Just had to do a little quick I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Say less less. The lesses have it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
You're right, correct, Michael Malone doesn't have a job now.
Was unable to add to his little five hundred and
ten wins in twelve seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
So good job.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
But I think it tells you a little bit on
where Steve Kurr is in his career where others are
but all based on Greg Popovich's retirement. The Clippers are
about to be retired. Their logo maybe should be the Titanic.
We'll talk about it next year on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
Well, that's a wrap on the Nuggets Clippers series. Denver
moving on. As you heard Steve di Sager say, welcome
in Denver, moves on, Clippers go home.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Now what for the Clippers? We discuss?

Speaker 4 (01:20:37):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
What for Tyres Halliburton's dad won't be able to go
to Game one tomorrow against the Cleveland Cavaliers on the
recommendation of the Pacers front office. All that and so
much more, as we thank you for joining us on
this Saturday night. You and I discussed earlier Ryan Hollins
about what if for Nikola Jokicic, what if for Kawhi Leonard?

(01:21:01):
Now that we know Denver's moving on and the Clippers aren't,
how do you view this Clippers team and how do
you view this Clippers season now that it ends at
a seven game series in the first round of the
Western Conference playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
I think it shows you how competitive the West is,
and I think we knew that coming in, but for
Steve Bomer, he's just invested so much into the Clippers
getting back to so to go out in the first round,
I mean, it's tough, but everybody's good. I don't want
to over understate it. Obviously he's got the new facility.

(01:21:39):
You want to win, you get James Harden, everything was
looking up, but you're going against the Denver Nuggets, and
I'm telling you, man, this was no cake walk. At
the end of the day, the Dickver Nuggets are still
very good. They got the best player in the planet
in Nicola Jokic over there, and he showed why he
was that good. And this was a team that they
won a World Championships, So you go into a game

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they've kind of seen that before. They're still generally healthy
and intact, and I think the biggest questions with the
Nuggets coming back to being the best version of themselves
was saying, hey, how are we going to refill our brinch?
How are we going to get these guys going? And
Christian Brown was really good. Russell Westbrook had good minutes.

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He's been up and down, and at the end of
the day, if they can click, you got enough and
you're starting five to be able to repeat.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
Clippers just didn't get much of anything from Norman Powell
nine points. Now this game is a three point game
midway through the second quarter. Clippers actually had a lead
after one, but Denver just ended up taking off and
running away with it. And even in these coin flip scenarios,
if you will Ryan, at some point, when you're a
fan or you're a Clippers fan, you're just like, all right,

(01:22:51):
can it turn up heads for us once? You know,
at least for us once, can we break through? And
now when you have this core of Kawhi and I
touched on this earlier about it, I think that it's
a legitimate point when you're now you've made it through
a season where he was healthy in the playoffs, wasn't
completely healthy throughout the regular season, but got to a

(01:23:12):
point where he was able to then play for the
team in the regular season after missing games early, and
then be there for this postseason.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
And that's not always a given.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
And that's why I think it's ultimately a wasted opportunity.
You're dead on with with it being the Western Conference
and how tight things were, I think just a couple
of games basically. I mean you mentioned your rockets earlier
in them kind of just taking their foot off the pedal. Noion,
they'd be the two seed. But you had from three
to eight, just a couple of game difference, you know,

(01:23:43):
in those standings, And so that tells you how you
know how tight the standings were and how close these
matchups were. And a lot of times it is about matchups.
But if you're the Clippers, you just at some point
you say, okay, can we can we have one go
our way?

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
And this one didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
And now when you look at another year of Kawhi
and another year of James Harden, and those guys aren't
getting any younger, you just kind of have to.

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
You have to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
You have to wonder on if it will ever be
their time, because it sure didn't look like it tonight.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
No, no it didn't. But I mean for the Clippers,
I mean, I think for what they had, and I
think kind of having the resolve to say we're willing
to move on from Paul George and seemingly getting better,
and they've just kind of got their own situation going
on there with Kawhi. Leonard, don't try to make sense
of it. He kind of set out the regular season

(01:24:40):
and came back and he was well. But in fairness,
that does put a lot of pressure on the front
office again because you're saying, Okay, how many years straight
can we keep doing the same thing? What is our goal?
Is our goal just to be competitive? Because if we
have this faith in Kawhi, we essentially let him sit
out the whole season in the and he comes back

(01:25:00):
and then we lose in the first round. Is it
worth the risk? That's what you got to ask yourself.
And when he came back, make no mistake, he was electric,
and you can say, hey, how are we going to
address the Western Conference? Because the mindset was we should
be able to win the championship with Kahi Leonard or
we should be able to be a whole lot more

(01:25:21):
competitive than you know what you're going out and saying.
So they've got questions to answer, and it's kind of
you know, you're gonna wonder what, like I said, what
is the commitment there with Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
The Nuggets and Thunders split their season series, winning two
games apiece, and again that series will start in Oklahoma
City coming up on on Monday. As I'm looking at
the highlights and seeing a Russell Westbrook just yelling into
the crowd. I asked you about who was America's team
and Who's going to be America's team. Do you find

(01:25:56):
people getting behind Russell Westbrook?

Speaker 3 (01:25:59):
Now? I do?

Speaker 2 (01:26:01):
I think that it is It is so funny on
his narrative and his story arc, if you want to
put it in that way, where when he was with
Kevin Durant, maybe you weren't a fan because the thunder
were winning at that time, but then when Kevin Durant leaves,
you're like, well, he's the one that stayed. And then
Westbrook bounces around and then the whole Westbrook thing pops up,

(01:26:23):
and now he goes to Denver and kind of finds
a home and kind of fit. I feel that people
have rallied around Russell Westbrook. Again, Am I wrong in
that assessment? And looking at the Nuggets veteran and as
they now advance to the Western semis.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
No, I think this year more so than ever, and
I think the expectation of Russell Westbrook being a great
player are gone. And I think the mindset was we
just appreciate who he is and that he's here and
how hard he plays, and you're not taking Russ and

(01:26:58):
saying well, he's an All Star and he's this and that.
You're saying he's really good, he competes and he loves
the game of basketball. And I think when you take
that context and you appreciate him, that's what people are
starting to do and what's stuff for Russ? And Russ
is my guy, and I think this draws, you know,
frustration from me to no end, especially when it comes

(01:27:20):
to fans. It's not that they're saying, well, Russ missed
a jump shot or Russ missed a la at per se.
They're attacking him as a person, as a man, as
a human being. And that's when you're going, man, this
deal is getting out of hand. You guys are doing
way too much with him, and it becomes the personal

(01:27:41):
attacks that everyone has problems with.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
I get that, you know, the name stuff like some
people don't doesn't bother them. We saw in the NCAA tournament,
Calvin Samson, you know, saying like, my name is Calvin.
It's not Kevin, it's Calvin. And there may be one
letter off to you said, you know my name is Calvin.
It's what my mom named me. She said, don't you know,
let anybody call you anything else but your name, and

(01:28:08):
and I completely agree with that. I completely agree, one
hundred percent. Like it's it may not seem something to
someone else and saying and getting a name wrong. And
the reason I'm saying that is because I understand people say, oh,
it's just a taunting. It's just a taunting of a
name of west Brick. But I actually can see why

(01:28:29):
it would bother me so much. You want to give
me another you know, you want to call me bricklayer
or whatever. The name case is completely different story. But
I actually do understand why you would get mad of someone.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
Mocking your name in that way.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
I went and had some takeout food the other day,
you know, Ryan Hollins. I won't tell you from what
pizza place I picked up some parial pizzas from, but
I went in.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
They call you Dan what they kind of say by
her bear.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
Like a like a grizzly bear or like the aspirin bear,
and it's b e y e r and it's pronounced buyer,
and I just it's just an immediate response, I correct people.
And again, may not be a big deal. That person
was probably annoyed that I said it knowing that I
knew that that was my order. But I still correct

(01:29:22):
people because it is my name, and I feel that
there's a weight towards that. So I get when Russell
Westbrook is ticked off in talking about that or saying
they're somebody making fun of his name. I think I
would as well. I'm mad when they get it wrong
at the pizza place. Heck, you know, if they're going
to talk about my jumper in that way, I'd be

(01:29:44):
ten times as angry. So I get it, but I
think people are rooting for him. Plus people root for
the joker. They're the underdog in the series. I think
people will root for that, even though I still think
Oklahoma City's America's team. The Nuggets are the one with
the title. The thunder him be there before. I don't
know that's so I think at all how it's all

(01:30:05):
going to shake out Ryan Hollins fandom wise.

Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
But I'm happy for us. And again, I think he's
in a position where he can be appreciated, and I
think he gets his job in the NBA. You know,
there was a moment where he's like, Hey, I'm a starter.
This is what I am go through me, and I
think he's now like, I'll come off the bench and
bring energy. There's no one who's going to bring more
energy to a game than me, and I think that
he settled in just fine to that role.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer.

Speaker 2 (01:30:32):
The Clipper season is over, third straight first round playoff
exit for the Clippers, while the Nuggets are into the
conference semi finals, trying to make it back to an
NBA finals, trying to make it back to a conference finals.
First things first, they just got to get through Oklahoma
City to make it to those conference finals again. That

(01:30:52):
series starting on Monday. Hit Ryan up at the Ryan
Hollins you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
We talked about We mentioned John Halliburton, the dad of
Tyrese Halliburton, not allowed to attend Pacers home and road
games at the suggestion of the Pacers' front office. A
line was crossed, no doubt about it. Is there any

(01:31:13):
way for John Halliburton to get on the other side
of that line? And you wouldn't believe what is happening
in the NBA next season. We'll tell you what that is.
He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. That's next year on
Fox Sports Radio. Denver Nuggets are winning on to the
Western Semis, beating the Clippers in impressive fashion, one twenty

(01:31:34):
to one oh one. Clippers go home. I just saw
a graphic. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer, Ryan, the
ten year NBA VET. Just saw a graphic that I
think is completely I just think it's unfair. And it's
a graphic put out by Yahoo Sports that shows James
Harden in four different uniforms saying James Harden has not

(01:31:56):
lost a game seven with four separate teams.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
And I don't know if this.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Is just the NBA, maybe maybe this could happen in
the NFL. I don't think that James Harden is to
blame in all of this. I feel that maybe he's
an easy target. Clippers were obviously outclassed today by the
Denver Nuggets, and every way, shape or form from about
the end of the first quarter on, I feel graphics

(01:32:25):
like that pilon in a narrative for how we look
at James Harden. I think there's a difference between game
sevens and conference finals and game seven's.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
In first rounds.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
I think that the way that playoffs play out, I
think it's unfair to James Harden to put a graphic
out like this, Ryan Hollins, Are you with me on
this or does James Harden bear this responsibility of being
on a losing team in those Game sevens?

Speaker 4 (01:32:56):
No, I'm with you. Here's the thing. You know, until
you get over the edge, you are gonna be the
butt of those jokes. But even bigger than that, I
just hate the society that we live in where you
can kind of troll guys and trol people that are

(01:33:16):
doing things at such a high level that the normal
person couldn't do it at So, you know, you're kind
of jeering at James Harden, who's one of the greatest
players that we've ever seen play. Now he doesn't have
a championship and that's what you're gonna hold over his head,
or you know, Lebron I was frustrated with this. Lebron

(01:33:38):
goes down and it didn't look like much, and you
know he you know, has an ends up with the knees,
brain or whatever, you know, you want to call it.
And everybody's like, oh, he's soft, he's this, and it's
like we just live in a nasty, dirty loser society
where you, you know, you really make it easy to

(01:34:03):
talk bad about people who are actually succeeding. And it
frustrates me because I feel like we teach the kids
to be losers when you do that, because you're not
teaching them how hard to work or to respect someone
who's put in real work. And and it really just
puts It puts a frown on the game. It puts
a frown on our society, the way things work. I

(01:34:23):
just I'm really not a fan of a lot of
the things that we see. And James Harden is a
dog man, he's a he's a really good basketball player.
And it's it's kind of like this, so mudge to
his name. But it's something that we do, man, and
I and I think it ultimately needs to stop.

Speaker 3 (01:34:40):
Yeah, this is this is my problem.

Speaker 2 (01:34:43):
And to your point, like talking about like and how
this transcends to maybe other generations and looking stuff like
that and graphics like that, to me, it's not, hey,
these are the numbers in basketball, let's break it down
this way or not that stuff. What it does is
I don't mind people hating to lose. Everybody should hate

(01:35:03):
to lose. It's the fear of losing that I think
gets put into people because of stuff like this, What
is going to happen if I lose instead of just
going out and competing and trying to win. And I
think I do think that there is a difference. Sure,
there's always going to be a winner and a loser.
And sometimes you know, you win some, you lose some.
That's the old saying, right, But you start to put

(01:35:25):
this fear of losing and what it can do to you,
and then now you're three steps further down the line
than you ever thought you would be. James Harden was
great for the Clippers this season. James Harden is also
not in the prime of his career. I'm not giving
him an out, but I do think that every player,
like if you want to hold them to that standard, Ryan,
I think people need to hold them to that standard

(01:35:46):
of when they're in the.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
Prime of their career.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Okay, just because James Harden was on this team that
lost to Game seven with Philadelphia, was were the Sixers
James Harden's team? I don't think they were. I think
they were Joel Embiid's team. If you want to put
them on the right pockets and say that completely. That
was when he was in his prime, that's where he
won his MVP. I'm totally good with that. It feels
like it's a stat that's trying to to just to

(01:36:12):
just to be rude, just to be mean to James Harden,
or if you're not a James Harden fan, point out, look,
he's not clutch again, didn't win a game seven.

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
Well, for as great as he was, this is still
Kawhi's team to that point.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
I'm not trying to diminish his role with the Clippers,
but I feel I feel that a graphic like that,
and a and a stat like that is piling on
more than anything else.

Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Absolutely, and that ends up, you know, just being something
that gets promoted when it when it shouldn't. And I'm
not a I'm really not a big fan of it.
I agree, and I think that I think hopefully we
get more truth to be told out there. And I

(01:36:54):
see it even with the kids now, they're almost afraid
to succeed because you're you're you're you're mocking. So one
plan at the highest level of levels that you can
get to, and I think that there's some moments where
you can say, hey man, this guy made a mistake.
He did this right, did this wrong, whatever, But I
just hope that the difference is being shown out there.
And what happens is you got a lot of kids

(01:37:16):
that are, you know, trying to play sports or trying
to do something, and they're more worried about an Instagram
clip than actually being a succeeding or being a winner
doing the little things.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
He had twenty eight points in Game six. Unfortunately, tonight
had just seven points to the thirteen assists, so not
necessarily the way that he would go out. But again,
I just I feel that at some point we are
piling on.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
Are we piling on too much.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
Of John Halliburton, the dad of Tyrese Haliburton of the
Indiana Pacers, or is there still room where we can
add on after his taunting of Jiannis and Detta Gumpo
after Game five earlier this week.

Speaker 4 (01:37:55):
Here's the thing we have right now. These playoffs have
been more emotionally charged and chippy than we've seen in
a long time, and I think that's an absolute win
for the NBA. I think the NBA is finding out
how to navigate that space because you do have to
let those things go when you come down too hard
and you soften the game up man and shooting hockey,

(01:38:19):
they fight, They dust each other off and keep playing
in the same game. Not to say that the NBA
should be fighting, but those little desk ups are not
bad for the sport. Now, mister Holliburton with a mistake
that he made is that he came on to the
court and it became more about himself than about his son.
And after he made that mistake, and you can say, hey,
I understand, I get it. It happened, he goes on

(01:38:42):
Instagram Live or goes wherever, and he kind of like
explains himself and his son already said what my dad
did was inexcusable. So he kind of goes around his
son and then says what he says. And I think
because he did that knowing that he was in the wrong,
I think what it does is it put the Pacers

(01:39:02):
in a situation where he said, hey, he's going to
do what he feels like doing. We need to, you know,
kind of suspend him. And I feel like he should
be able to see his son's his son play. At
the end of the day, He's not going to be
the first or last parent that's been sent up to
the to the to the suits. Send him to the sweets.

(01:39:22):
Let him watch him there, and you don't have to
hear what he said. Hey, if we remember a long time,
I think Lebron's mom something happened or somebody hit him,
and she went to jump up, and then Lebron, young
Lebron turns over and looks at his mom is like,
this ain't happening, you know, and and and you hadn't
And his mom has been the game since. But guess what,
she was never a store. You never saw her, uh,

(01:39:43):
you know, since since that time. So I think ultimately,
at the end of the day, that's what happened, should happen.
He should be able to see his son plan. I
think the mistake that he made was not reading the
room and going to speak out when he shouldn't have.

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
Oh my goodness, did he not read the room?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I I I'll say this, Ryan, this is what was
First of all, I have to say, it's almost thank
goodness it was a game five that this series didn't
have two more games to get chippier and end like that,
because I actually think there could have been a different
reaction if there was a game seven. Also, Yannis not

(01:40:19):
the guy to do that too. Like, Giannis is wired
differently than I think anybody. Do you remember remember when
he bulldozed Mike Dunlevy JUNR early on his career. They're
playing the Bulls in a game in Milwaukee at Giannis
was young, and this is a former teammate. He and
Dunlevy played together, and Dunleavy got the ball and Giannis
just ran and.

Speaker 3 (01:40:38):
Shoved him, pushed him over.

Speaker 12 (01:40:40):
It's also Dunleavy's the Warriors GM.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Now, yeah, yes, but that was that was like, that's
when you knew that Giannis ran hot. And I give
Gianni's credit for keeping us cool, knowing also what the
ramifications were to be if he did anything. But Janis
even got in a little bit of a dust up
with some of the Pacers players after that whole scenario happened.
We saw what happened when Giannis wanted his sixty four

(01:41:04):
point basketball against the Basers. So there's a lot of
fuel on that. But Ryan, I can't get past the
point that after a victory the Tyres Halliburton's dad felt
that his spot was on the court. It's like like
there's this like invisible line. And as a member of
the media, I get access. You know, we get access

(01:41:26):
as media members to places that fans don't get. But
it's not like we get access to everywhere. And there
are spots that we know as a member of the
media that you just can't you can't go to. You
as a former player, probably have different accesses media than
I do, and you could go in places, but there's
just spots like I know, okay, we can't go there,

(01:41:47):
can't be there whatsoever. To think that you are allowed
to go onto the court to celebrate a victory, let
alone taunt another player, I can't get past. I get
being excited. I get being excited for your son. You're
hoping he's gonna run over give you a hug after

(01:42:07):
the game and celebrate that way. But to be able
to think that you were a part of it and
to step foot on the actual wood of the floor
and then go on to the playing surface on the
other side of those lines, I can't get past that.
And that's the part to me of I thought too, like, yeah,
I let him sit in a suite, But I'm like,

(01:42:27):
if your mentality is that, that's the mentality of Yeah,
then I will go and do the interview, even though
my son spoke for me. Yeah, I will go and talk,
and I will go and say this in excuse about
my part. I just can't get back. I can't get
past the fact that he got up, left his seat
and went on the court let alone, then decided to
taunt to him with.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
The tyres Aliburton towel. I can't get asked.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
At that point it was about him. You know what
if he ran to his son, he shouldn't have been
in the forebts. His son is only let's say, and
here's the thing, you're right. Let's say Yiannis had a dectum.
Let's say he did that, he took a step forward,
and Yannis interpreted it in a different way. In Yanni's dectum,

(01:43:12):
Jannie would have been in the wrong. What would have
been like, hold on, dude, that's an emotionally charged space.
What are you jumping into? You know? And it's dangerous, hey,
it's dangerous for players. You see guys fight, Guys get
into it after games, and there's a lot going on
in that scenario and it and again, it should have

(01:43:32):
been more about his son. He should have ran to
his son to hug his son, and they have an embrace,
and you know there's an understanding that a parent or
someone close kind of gets that green light. And I'm
sure there's a lot going on in that scenario, and
maybe even confusion because after they they did connect, you know,
there was I love you, I love you too from

(01:43:54):
Yiannis to him. But Yiannis is going, what's this dude
doing here? What's he doing on the floor? You know,
so he was absolutely wrong, and you know I didn't
like that he doubled down.

Speaker 3 (01:44:08):
And you're not thinking right now after your.

Speaker 2 (01:44:10):
Team just blew a seven point lead in thirty eight,
you know, with thirty seconds left in the game, and
your season has just come to a crashing halt, when
you felt like you could live another day and play
a game six like you aren't necessarily you aren't locked
in and focused and understanding. You're locked into the game,
but anything else around you may seem weird.

Speaker 3 (01:44:32):
And to have that happen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
I'm not a fighting person. I've never been in a
fight in my life. Knock on, what if I did,
I would definitely lose it. I would not be winning
that fight. But man to have the restraint at that
point and just stand there if you're honest, because then
it was Pat Connaton and I think TJ. McConnell who
came over and kind of separated them, And you're honest again,

(01:44:56):
he had a brew haha with a couple of other
Pacers players and and then shook hands. Ultimately they shake
hands and move on. As you said, spoke with John Halliburton.
But yeah, I can't. I just can't get past him
getting onto the court. It's just crazy to me. And
your point about him running to go see tyres if
he actually did step on the court, it's absolutely fair,

(01:45:18):
but still it would take a lot to get on
the other side of that of that line for me
and John Halliburton definitely crossed it.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
He is Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
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Speaker 3 (01:45:51):
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Speaker 2 (01:45:54):
I was going to just make you one name, Rollins,
That's what I was going to call you. Get Ryan
Hollins at the Ryan Allens. You can find me at
Dan Byer on Fox. Let's go to the news desk.
Steve de Seger post mortem on Game seven between the
Clippers and Nuggets and more.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
What's going on? Boy?

Speaker 6 (01:46:10):
That was a bad ending and can we all agree
that the Clippers could have won the first four games
in a row and just been done with this series.
But the overtime loss when they were the better team
for most of that opening game, and the loss of
the dunk at the buzzer, and the Clippers are out.
It was a battle of fifty win teams. They had
identical records. Regular season, Denver has advanced over the Clips,

(01:46:31):
dominating the last three quarters tonight one twenty to one
oh one, the final Nuggets with a seventeen to oh
run in the third quarter. So Denver goes to Oklahoma
City for a game one on Monday in the NHL Playoffs,
a Game seven has come alive at Dallas. The Stars,
with back to back goals in the third, have tied
up Colorado. It's two to two with about five minutes

(01:46:52):
left in regulation. Sovereignty won the Kentucky derby paying seventeen
to ninety six to win at seven to one. Odds
beat the favorite. Journalism on a muddy track. Scottie Scheffler
leads by eight strokes in Texas after the third round
to Major League Baseball. Speaking of muddy tracks, they're actually
starting this Dodgers at Atlanta Braves game. It's been going

(01:47:13):
for about ten minutes. It's after ten thirty in Atlanta
play Ball. They're in the first inning. Dodgers and Brave scoreless.
They really really did not want to play two tomorrow. Meanwhile,
the Mets game at Saint Louis was drained out. They
will play too tomorrow. Padres one on a run in
the top of the ninth on a wild pitch, two

(01:47:33):
to one at Pittsburgh and still going bottom of the
ninth at Baltimore, still going because they had a rain
to lay of about an hour early in the game.
Royals lead for nothing at Baltimore one out in the
bottom of the ninth. That is on Fox TV for
a lot of markets. Seattle won at six straight game
two one at Texas with a run in the top
of the ninth. At Miami on a grand slam bottom

(01:47:54):
of the ninth, Marlins over the A's nine to six
Cleveland one on a grand slam top of the ninth.
Three at Toronto. Daniel Schneemann was the man who hit
the solo homer in the eighth for the Guardians and
the slam in the ninth. Manuel Class back to closer
gets the saves. Six saves for him, ERA over six,

(01:48:15):
by the way, the closer for the Seattle Mariners so far,
Andre's Munoz tonight with his twelfth save.

Speaker 10 (01:48:20):
His ERA is still zero.

Speaker 11 (01:48:22):
This season.

Speaker 6 (01:48:23):
We're into May. His Mariners have won sixteen of twenty
the late games in Anaheim, the Angels have lost seven
in a row. They're hosting Detroit and La Native Jack
Flaherty on the mound for the Tigers. It's Angels one
nothing in the bottom of the fifth.

Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
Back to you, Steve, any word on what Fox is
going to do with the episodes of Raw Travel and
I Crime with Elizabeth Vargas Now that this Dodgers Braves
game is gonna likely run over those.

Speaker 6 (01:48:47):
What can we all do? Is there a library somewhere
that we could just tap into? Perhaps they'll have a
scroll at the bottom. At three fifteen am you can
catch the new episode of Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:49:03):
I love those, And usually they do it for a
Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy and the price is right now.

Speaker 6 (01:49:10):
Jeopardy will watch its huge and popular and always there
will be a scroll saying up you can see the
Jeopardy at ten o'clock tonight or whatever time delayed.

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
It's not gonna be up at two am. What do
I care?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
I don't know how to work this DVR thing. That's
how That's how I feel. Some conversations go down when
they see that scroll.

Speaker 6 (01:49:26):
Ell Li Smith, you'll just be taping. My goodness. The
Dallas Stars have scored again. That place is going nuts.
Three straight goals in the third. They lead game seven,
three to two against the Evs.

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Ryan Hollins, do you know why I will never cheer
for the Dallas Stars.

Speaker 4 (01:49:40):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:49:42):
I will never cheer for the Dallas Stars because when
they moved from Minnesota, it was controversial for them moving,
but they should have been the lone Stars. They should
have just been stars like the North Star was obviously
a just be the just be the lone Stars. I

(01:50:03):
thought that would have been better, and they didn't give
They didn't allow them Minnesota to have the North Stars
when they came back, so they had to be the
wild Yeah. So that's why I'll never cheer for the
Dallas Stars. I think lone Stars, the Dallas lone Stars
would have been much better than just the Dallas Stars.
We've had WNBA teams named stars. Just lone Stars would

(01:50:24):
have just said it completely apart. That's why I will
never cheer for the Dallas Stars. He is Ryan Hollins.
I'm Dan Byer, and Ryan does not give two cents
about that argument.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Find him at Ryan Hollins. You can find me and
Dan Byer on Fox.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Do you have a do you have a mechanic that
you go to in Houston or a place where you
get your your haircut?

Speaker 4 (01:50:46):
Do you have do you have any of those spots?
Two random places?

Speaker 2 (01:50:49):
But yeah, okay, okay, have you ever cheated on one
of those places?

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
Do you mean like a different barber? Yes, yeah, of
course you go to a different barber. Okay, all right,
we're gonna get into that. He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA Vet.
I'm Dan Byer.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
We'll keep you updated on what's happening in the Stars
Avalanche game.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
And Steve told you late in the third period, now
under three minutes Dallas with that three to two lead,
it's all coming next here on Fox Sports Saturday. Fox
Sports Saturday. He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA Vet. I'm Dan Byer.
Game seven in Texas, all but over, we'll go to
Steve de Segar and just a little bit for some

(01:51:35):
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(01:51:56):
was a game Game seven in Denver and the NBA
Playoffs Western Conference first Round, and the Nuggets end up
surviving more than surviving in Game seven, routing the Clippers by.

Speaker 3 (01:52:09):
A score of one twenty to one.

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Oh one.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
Let's get an update.

Speaker 2 (01:52:13):
About the other team from Denver, this time on the ice.
Steve de Seger at the News desk, what we've got
for Game seven between the Stars and Avalanche.

Speaker 6 (01:52:23):
Something astounding. One guy with four points in the third
period in a Game seven comeback for the home team
two seconds left after the empty net goal. Dallas Stars
lead Colorado four to two. Aside from these four goals,
they only have fifteen shots the entire game, and yet
at home they're going to come away with a Game
seven victory against the as Miko Ranton and three goals

(01:52:46):
and an assist in the third period. That means in
the final about twelve minutes of this game.

Speaker 3 (01:52:52):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:52:53):
So the Dallas Stars, unless something crazy happens in two
point seven seconds, it'd be the craziest end ever. We'll
move on to the Western Conference Semis. They just don't
know who they're gonna play yet because the Jets and Blues.
Uh go to a Game seven that'll be played tomorrow
afternoon in Winnipeg. All Right, Ryan Hollins, I asked you

(01:53:14):
have you ever cheated on your barber and mechanic and
you said yes, like this, So this is a pretty
you go to different hairstylists, different barbers all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
Is that a thing with you?

Speaker 4 (01:53:26):
Uh? No, but what I have to here?

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
Don't you feel guilty the next time you go to
your normal hairstylist and they can tell that maybe it
wasn't their cut.

Speaker 4 (01:53:37):
No, no, no, no, any of that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:40):
Yeah, I was gonna say, Ian, Roddy are executive producer.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Do you do you get what I'm getting at here?

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
Yeah, I've I've felt I I've been in that spot
where I've had someone cut my hair and I wasn't
happy with it, so I went somewhere else and then
was even less happy, So I had to go back
to the original person. And I felt like I was
walking in with my tail between my legs without them
even knowing that I would have gone.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
But because to Ian's point, I obviously think that they knew.

Speaker 12 (01:54:09):
Yeah, because they can see it in like the uh,
you know, the waves of your hair. I don't know
the terminology barber terminology or whatever, but I'm I'm the
same Dan, like I I grew up getting my haircut
from from the same guy for years and then you know,
I don't remember why, but but one day I did
end up going to someone else. I don't know if
it was we we got back from a trip, or

(01:54:29):
I was in another city or what. But but came
back and he made a comment to me, not like
you know, he was mad at me, or everybody's like,
oh yeah, someone else cuts your hair this time. I'm like, yeah,
but it is super awkward, more than I should.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
It is their livelihood. And so I'm like, gosh, I didn't.
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:54:47):
I didn't put money in your pocket because I decided
to put it in someone else's pocket. And today, like
I felt I was cheating on someone. I got a
golf lesson. I had the same golfing guy that took
lessons from for fifteen years. Now I'm ben in about
a year and i'd maybe go like once or twice
a year. But I switched it up and the other

(01:55:10):
guy doesn't know. He may know now unfortunately, but there's
no offense to him. It just this guy was a
lot closer. He was at where I play a lot.
I knew the guy. I've known him for years and
even always talking, Yeah, I'll give you a lesson sometime,
and so I'm like, you know what my game needs it,
I'm going to do it. And so as great as
the lesson was, and it was a really good lesson,

(01:55:30):
really good tips, and I'll probably go back again. There's
a part of me that feels like I cheated on
the guy who gave me my lessons for like fifteen years.

Speaker 12 (01:55:40):
Well, especially because it's been you know, like you said,
a year since your last one with the first guy,
so he's probably though, you know, okay, it's been a year.
I guess he's just not golfing. But now you've actually
had a lesson and it wasn't with him, so.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
And I feel like I have an excuse, like I
don't know if local would work, Ryan and you being like, well,
this guy was closer, so I don't feel bad about it.
This guy was closer. He was just two exits down
my other one. I'm driving thirty minutes and going into
the valley and going all these places. But I felt
bad today and I don't think that I should. But

(01:56:13):
it was just human nature and feeling bad, and I
think that.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
Pretty bad that if you're going further, Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
I just I feel that there are instances where it's
just combin nature. And I felt like Mechanic was another
like if someone always works on your car, and you're like, well,
I'm gonna just take it to this other place, and
then you bring it back, You're like, what did they do?

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Why would you go to that other place? I feel that.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
It's just a very very heavy situation that doesn't have
to be so heavy, but for whatever reason it is.

Speaker 4 (01:56:45):
Yeah, mechanic is a thing because they will ask you
what's wrong. But for me that Barbara, like, I travel,
so it's like I'm gone, I gotta get a haircut
and I ain't paying for someone to travel with me,
so you gotta kind of get it cut where you are.
But I do get the other situations and if someone

(01:57:06):
doesn't do a good job or you know, like I
had a thing, you know with my pool guy, and
I didn't like the rate that he was given me
and then I found somewhat at better with a better rate,
and it was you know, I felt guilty saying it,
and then he goes, well I'll meet that price. In
my mindset, it's like, why couldn't he meet the price before?
And I ended up staying with him because I felt

(01:57:27):
bad from what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:57:29):
Yes, yes, there is this this guilt and this price
was was fine for me. It was the same neighborhood
on what I would pay, and so I was I
was good for. But there are there are things that
you're connected to and some stuff that's maybe it's like

(01:57:49):
a toxic relationship as well. Like you just I don't
know how to get out of this. I don't know
how to get out of this. I don't know how
to go somewhere else. I think there was there was
a whole Seinfeld episode about it. There was, but there
is there is something to it of breaking apart. I
felt I felt like I cheated today. I didn't think
that I was alone. I think that to Ian's point,

(01:58:10):
you could just be like or Ryan's point as well.
I was traveling, we were on vacation, you.

Speaker 3 (01:58:15):
Know that one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
I went back to my hometown once and got a
haircut from my old barber. So the person who cuts
my hair out here, I said that. I said, hey,
I went back to the to the guy who cut
my hair forty years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:58:28):
And then it was a good story, like it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Was like, oh wow, that's great, you know that that
sort of deal. But the point is I had to
tell the whole story just to cure my guilt.

Speaker 12 (01:58:38):
You should just say that same story anytime you need
to get another haircut, and that you know that it works.

Speaker 2 (01:58:43):
That's a good point. Yeah, I keep that one in
the holster. All right, Game seven tomorrow, Warriors and Rockets.
You'll be on the call for Rocket Stevie Ryan Allins.
How does it play outs with the winner going on
to face Minnesota in the Conference Semis?

Speaker 4 (01:58:59):
I think Houston wins because obviously the time and the
injuries and the soreness and the quick travel. I think
Golden State had to do so much just to get
to this point. I think they do get worn down
the young Rockets at home having a chance to feed
off their home crowd. You saw what it looked like
in Game five, so I think you're going to see

(01:59:21):
something comparable to that. And Houston does an unbelievable job
doing guarding Steph Curry. And if Steph Curry was kind
of having his way, I maybe would feel differently, but
Houston doing a good job taking him out. And the
question is who is the next person to step up?
You know, Jimmy Butler can do his job, but they don't.
They don't really have that third option. And Podjemski's doing

(01:59:43):
a great job, but I don't think he's quite at
the point in his career where, you know, he could
take over to what would be needed.

Speaker 2 (01:59:50):
You know, the Warriors won some close games against the
Timberwolves this year, but I think Minnesota, Minnesota would rather
see Golden State than see you and the Houston Rocke Goods.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
Well, just your opinion.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:00:02):
It could be.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
Wrong, but is it. I think they would. It could
be completely wrong, but we'll find out tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (02:00:10):
They'll go wrong about a lot of things.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
So are you, Ryan Hollins. But that's for another day.
We'll meet again. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byert's Fox
Sports Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
Have a great weekend.

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