FnA with Kevin Figgers & Adam Auslund talk Eagles Issues, Red River Rivalry + Chris Plank joins the show!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
Adam.

Speaker 2 (00:19):
We got a lot to get into tonight slash this morning,
depending on where you may be listening.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
This is where I usually start pumping up and over
hyping the show. But you cannot over hype this show,
especially because we got a former broadcaster that was sitting
in this chair right for years. At this time, Chris
Plank is coming up with us in the second hour
to talk about the Red River rivalry, which is more
than just a tongue twister.

Speaker 5 (00:43):
I learned red River Rival's rivalry.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Yeah, I can't do it. I just started calling get
the red River Shootout. I've given up completely on it.
Fair enough, but yes, some of you have asked that
all happened to Chris Plank. Chris is fine. He's still fine.
He's still part of the Fox Sports Radio family. He
made him walk the Plank to host every Sunday Night
with Arnie Spaniard wrapping up the NFL action from the
previous day. And of course he's a silent reporter for

(01:09):
the Oklahoma Sooners Radio network. So Chris is going to
join us here in his old time slot, like Adam mentioned,
coming up next hour as a matter of fact, to
talk about the Red River shootout. I also have some
baseball to get into. By the way, what an epic
game on Friday night.

Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
The longest postseason game in a winner take all situation
in Major League Baseball history?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Insane.

Speaker 5 (01:30):
Where were you when the.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
Mariners got back to the Alcs for the first time
in twenty four years.

Speaker 5 (01:36):
Now, I longer, I can't remember. It wasn't a winner
and take all.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
The Dodgers played the Red Sox in the twenty eighteen
World Series, sir, and that game went to eighteen innings
at Dodger Stadium.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
That's right. I was in attendance at that game.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It was a Friday night, and I think I left
in like the twelfth or thirteenth.

Speaker 5 (01:54):
Is that because they cut off the beer around then?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Or well obviously, but most importantly because I had to
be here. I was anchoring at Fox Sports Radio that night.
So I left the stadium around the twelfth. Then he
came here, got ready for my anchor shift. I was
mid update. Jonas Knox, who you hear on two Pros
and a Cup of Joe at the time, was occupying
this time slot. He went to me for a bottom
of the hour update. I was just getting ready to

(02:16):
toss it back to him. I'll blink up and all
I see is a ball flying out of Dodger Stadium. Yeah,
no it was not. It was not Albert Poohols t
o Albert at the time. No, it was actually Max
Munsey home run I believe off a former Dodger prospect
Nathan Navaldi at the time, in the eighteenth inning, and
the Dodgers won their only game of that series in

(02:37):
eighteen innings. I think that may have been Game four,
I believe of that World Series.

Speaker 5 (02:41):
I mean, it could have gone six games if you
left Rich Hill. And what are you doing? Dave Roberts,
where is that? He's got him back in the NLCS?
So how much can they complain? Right now?

Speaker 4 (02:49):
They're trying to go back to back and be the
first team to do so in twenty five years.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Doesn't matter how you make it as long as you
make it right. So we got a lot of baseball
to talk about.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
Of course, we have the NFL six as we always
feature here on a Friday night, and we'll also have
a little bit of geek news later this hour.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, we'll talk some college football. Some huge matchups coming
up this week in the Big Ten, a very very
big one in the SEC as well, so we'll get
into that a little bit later in the show too.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
But first, it's first off, there's time that's wrong.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
One are the headlines on the announcement to starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
I swear it never fails tradition.

Speaker 2 (03:27):
Every single week unlike any other there's something new, there's
a headline story when it comes to the quarterback position
at the NFL.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
You know, quarterbacks are pretty important and we probably should
start the show when there's big news like we had
this week. But also a big Thursday night football game
with one of the biggest upsets by Big Blue.

Speaker 5 (03:43):
Who saw that coming? Not me, no, nobody, I probably.

Speaker 4 (03:49):
I know they just lost to the Saints and it's
tough to respond after that. I definitely think it was
tough responding against an Eagles team that had just lost
as well for the first time this season to the
Broncos and Jackson Dart bawled out and the Philadelphia Eagles
from Philly special to a not so special to what

(04:09):
it was like when I finally got there and had
Ginos and Pats. I got into Philly last summer. First
thing I did ten PM. I get Gino's, I get Pats.
I door dashed both of them. The rivalry Philly cheese steaks.
Tried them both and you know what, pretty mid Really,
I'm not kiddy, so I should have got a burger.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
So what Philly's best out here in the San Fernando
Valley's better than the cheese steaks out there Bingo.

Speaker 5 (04:34):
Really, Yes, I'm not kidding now.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
Maybe it was because I got him so late, but
I felt like this is a late night spot, like
this is the famous Pats and Gino war that has
been going on forever.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Food wars, Philly cheese steak wars. I will say, if
I had to choose between the two, I'll give it
to Patsy. But the point is, yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:53):
The Philly cheese steaks tasting a little bit colder right now.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
I'd say so. And you know who else is mid
despite their four and two record. Philadelphia Eagles because they
have not played well this year. Now they found a
way with smoking mirrors to get themselves to a four
and zero record.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
But they could have easily.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I think they pretty much had that Cowboy game in
opening night in hand, but certainly could have lost to
the Chiefs. They should have lost to the Rams. The
Rams blew that lead in the second half. Credit to
the Eagles to shore as a big comeback win, but
I mean they definitely could have, you know, three losses
on their ledger at this point in time, and just
lucked in to a couple of those victories early on.
And those glaring weaknesses that showed themselves early and didn't
cost them on the scoreboard now is actually starting to

(05:32):
affect them.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
It's catching up to them.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
And it's interesting because we talked about oh, win's a
win all the time, or some people say that own
they think a win is a win.

Speaker 5 (05:40):
We own that team.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
No, it matters how you play, because eventually some of
those bad habits can come back to haunt you, and
we're seeing it happen now against better competition. Okay, not really.
The Broncos was that game was tough. They lost that
one late. The Broncos came back, by the way.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
They scored eighteen points in the fourth quarter. I mean
that the Eagles were dominating them the entire game. I
mean this and this has been so jek Lin Hyde.
I mean, we mentioned the ram game off to a
slow start, they got out to a big lead, and
the Eagles came back.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Well, that's just that championship pedigree they have. Of course
they're gonna come back. That's what it felt like at
the time. Oh, the Eagles have that in them. They
are going to find a way to win the ball game.
Now it looks more like they're not the same team
as they were.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Yeah, but you juxtaposed that with the following week against
Tampa Bay. They got out to a big lead and
nearly blew it with a banged up Tampa Bay Buccaneer team.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
So they found ways to win every which way.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Where they've played well, they've not been able to run
the ball at all, by the way, which is glaring.
And we talked to Greg Cosell about this last week
on our show. You know, we asked what's the issue
with the Eagles and specifically Saquon Barkley, and he said
that offensive line is just not playing the way that
it played last year. I know they've had injuries. I
know Landon Dickerson and they've been banged up a little bit,
but jordanill Lott is there and as far as I know,

(06:53):
healthy and just not playing as well as he played
the previous couple of seasons.

Speaker 5 (06:57):
They're just not opening the requisite.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Amount of holes for Saquon Barkley, which puts pressure on
the passing game. And as you saw on Thursday night,
Jalen Hurts is missing guys wide open left and right.
Because that's not the strength of their game that you Yes,
he can have a comeback against the Rams or another
team here and there, but that's not how they're built.
If they're going to have to throw the ball thirty
five times a game, they're not gonna win.

Speaker 4 (07:18):
They're supposed to run you over. That's the type of team.
That's the way they're built. It's a physical brand of football.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
That wears on you as the game moves along.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
That interception he through Thursday night, He's staring down his
receiver the entire time like that, But.

Speaker 5 (07:32):
That's what he does. That's the problem.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Hurts is not a guy that's gonna drop back and
work through progressions that their offense isn't built that way.
He is not built that way, and if you ask
him to do that, you ask him to play outside
of himself.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
My problem is we talk about this, when we talk
with Greg coach hell about this as well. They are
built upon I.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Don't want to say a house on sand or a
house of cards, but there is something gimmicky about their
offense and the way they do things that's so unconventional
nobody else can really replicate it. But they might not
be able to do that soon because they may take
away the tush push, which almost got voted out this
past year. If it gets voted out this summer, a

(08:13):
lot of people are gonna start looking at that championship
they won and say, oh, that's an asterisk.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
They couldn't have done it. I would have the tush push.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Well, you think it's gonna go that far where people
will put an asterisk.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Next to it?

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Well, I mean, look, it was a Wikipedia but it
was it was legal at the time that they did it.
So I'll opposing fans will do that. I mean sure,
I mean and honestly I think it's a little bit
of sour grapes. I'm not the biggest fan of the play, no,
but I feel like because people can't find a way
to stop it, they feel like it needs to be outlawed.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
They can't find a way to officiate it though, either,
which is a big problem.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, that's a huge issue, and that they ran it
four times the other night, four times in a row
at that and at a certain point it gets to
the entertainment value of it. It's just not necessarily fun
to watch either. Nobody wants to see that.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
It's not athetically pleasing sights football, Yeah, rugby out there.
I don't know what I'm watching. I think it is
going to be outlawed. But they are running an offense
that somewhat relies upon that play, that relies upon running
the football, and Saquon Barkley is averaging I think three
and a half yards per carry. The offensive line is
a problem. He still looks like he has burst out there.

(09:18):
But there is something to guys who run for two
k and then that next year fall off a little bit.
We talked about it with James Co, fantasy football expert,
before the season started, but.

Speaker 5 (09:27):
He talked about the rule of three seventy and he
was mentioning it. Three seventy is a number of carries
that Dereck Henry had the year before, and there seems
to be a curse there. It's not a curse, it's
just a workload issue where that next season it's still taxing.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
Some of the tread is off the tires. It takes
some skin off, guys. It's actually you're seeing it now
with Derreck Henry. Maybe that's part of what's happening with
Saquon Barkley, or maybe this is a game plan thing,
and maybe this is receivers barking with their quarterback like
their to and McNabb back in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
And Yeah, AJ Brown, you know saying there was supposedly
this meeting between Jalen Hurts and AJ Brown and Saquon
Barkley last week to sort of clear the air and
talk about the issues. A. J. Brown's been kind of,
you know, chirping a little bit these last couple of weeks,
and then yesterday AJ Brown on Thursday, J Brown says
like they weren't a meeting. What are you talking about?
Or I don't recall there being a meeting. What do

(10:20):
you guys mean, I was like, I don't know. Saquon
talked about it, and Jalen talked about it, but then
he was security cameras here. Yeah, so then he sends
out a tweet like, oh, is walking to my car
and I just happened to run into those two guys
and we chatted for a few minutes.

Speaker 5 (10:32):
I wouldn't necessarily call it a meeting.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Okay, Well, some man ticks AJ like, come on, man, yeah, Like,
obviously you're upset.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
You're a talented receiver, you're one of the best in
the league. You're not getting your requisite amount of touches,
and the team I can't see, the team isn't winning.
There were four and one going into Thursday night. But
this is kind of what happens, I guess a lot
of times when a team is struggling. Look, there were
four and oh, but we all knew that there were
issues with this team in the way that they were performing,
and that it probably wasn't gonna be sustainable. These issues
were gonna pop up in up costing them victories at

(11:01):
a certain point. Now, all of a sudden, you're getting
a little bit of I don't want to say, a
dissension in the locker room, but you have guys start
chirping about what they're getting and not having their touches
on top of the fact that you lost two games
in a row.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
It's really a bad seed right now.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
The disease of me is pat Riley would say, guys
are splintering. There's a bit of a schism there, considering
they just won the championship, and we're not going to
be able to just hunker down here and figure this out.
We're gonna talk to the media. We're gonna complain about
how often you're seeing the football thrown your way. The
season just started, right and while you can say, and

(11:35):
you're right, the way they were playing while they were winning,
it wasn't sustainable. We figured that out pretty quick now
the last two weeks. It still raises an eyebrow when
you're four to zero and you have a receiver complaining
about not seeing the football enough. Now I can go
back to the greatest receiver of all time and Jerry Rice.
He places with the Raiders did when they won games.

(11:56):
But people don't remember that. There wasn't Twitter back then.
People didn't the headlines like they do nowadays. In the
twenty four to seven news cycle typically eats these things
up quickly and you move on. But they're not able
to if you keep losing like this and they're not
finding answers, or they're not finding that magic elixir, that
potion and that special sauce they had last season to

(12:18):
get through and be the best team in the world
and dominate the Super Bowl like they did. There are
expectations for a team that is in Philadelphia. That's what
we're talking about here with the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Yeah, this is different.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Yeah, And I also have to talk about Kevin Patulo,
the new offensive coordinator. I know this is what their
third offensive coordinator in the last four seasons, and this
turnover there, and I thought it was interesting. Another thing
that AJ Brown said after Thursday Night's game is that
they lack an identity. It's like, I feel like you've
had the same identity for the last six years or whatever.
It's been five years since Jalen Hurts has been the
starting quarterback.

Speaker 4 (12:50):
They made a Super Bowl, they lost the Super Bowl,
then they got back and won it.

Speaker 5 (12:53):
They've been this team.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
You're a run first offense that you know, takes advantage
and makes big plays in the passing game when it
presents itself, your identity is already there, regardless of who
the offensive coordinator has been, whether it's been Kellen Moore
or anybody else.

Speaker 5 (13:06):
So that's the part that I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
And the fact that Saquon Barkley had what twelve carries
on Thursday night in a game that was close for
the most part, that the Giants obviously ran away with it,
you know, pretty late, but for the most part, it's
not if the Eagles were out of it and never
were forced to throw from like the second the second
quarter on or anything. How Saquon Barkley only has twelve carries.
I know the old line isn't playing that well, And
I'm not saying you have to hand it off to
him and have him run up the back of the

(13:28):
guard eighteen times in a row, but you gotta let
him cook a little bit and give him some more
opportunities in which makes me believe Adham, I don't know.
He looks fine to me, But you talk about the
carries issue that we mentioned with James co before before
the season started with Fantasy football, and whether or not
there's a wear and tear issue. He looks okay, But
I wonder if he actually is okay, and maybe he's
feeling a little bit of something.

Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's worth I guess, speculating about at this point, why
aren't they calling more plays for him?

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Now? The answer may be staring us in the face.
We just brought it up.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
You got receivers warning the ball more while you're not
winning ball games because you're not running the ball as
well as you did last season.

Speaker 5 (14:04):
So if the solution to all of this.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Is running the ball more, it's not gonna make the
receivers happy, even if you're winning apparently, but you're not
doing it by playing through them. That leads me to
think that this problem isn't going away anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, it makes me thinking people kind of speculated on
this last week with that Denver game because they threw
the ball so much and they really didn't need to,
especially considering that they were in the lead for the
majority of the game, and that this is out of
the coaching staff making a statement to the receivers, all right,
we're gonna let you guys eat.

Speaker 5 (14:33):
We'll throw the ball. Oh look what happened.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
We allowed them to come back and get us because
we didn't actually play clock ball in the second half.
Not that they were trying to lose the game, no,
but this is what happens. We want us to open
up and throw the ball more and get away from
what we usually do.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
All right, point proven, So what that will happened on
Thursday night?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Why did you run the ball fourth in sixteen eighteen
times wherever it was as a team and Saquon Barkley
only had twelve of them.

Speaker 4 (14:56):
Now, part of it could have been the Giants got
up up on them by double dis It's early on
and they kind of kept them at bay, staying up
by about ten points. Philly was playing from behind, and
I don't believe they scored in the second second half
of the game. No, when they got into the close to
the red zone, that's when that pick happened with Jalen
Hurts staring down his receiver.

Speaker 5 (15:15):
So some of it is by just the measure of
the way the game played out.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
But this is something that when you hear about guys
talking to the locker room about identity, when you are
the Super Bowl champions, when you brought back for the
most part the same squad, you shouldn't be dealing with
these issues six weeks into the season like.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
This, that's alarming. That's concerning.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
If I'm in Philadelphia, if I'm an Eagles fan, Yeah,
I got real concerns after losing to the Giants and
a rookie quarterback like that.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Yeah, you know, and the issues I think even stem
further than just the offense, I mean defensively, you know.
And give credit obviously to the New York Giants, and
if we have time here, we can talk about them
and Jackson Darton the impact that he's had these three
weeks that he's been the starting quarterback.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
But this game said more of Philly to me, right,
Oh it did.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, And look and it sounds like we're disparaging the
Giants and we're not hell.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
Of a win. Yeah, but you aren't a contender this year.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Right.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
The story is in that locker room because they're supposed
to be much better in this.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
And that defense has not been sacking the quarterback at
the rate that they have been.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
They've not been stopping the run at the rate that
they have in the past.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
There is a little bit juice and look, maybe that's
part of the you know, we know how symbiotic a
lot of times these games are there's a complimentary aspect
to your offense and your defense, and maybe the defense
is kind of frustrated with the way the offense is
performing and that's affecting them. But that Eagles defense certainly
is not performing the way, at least not consistently the
way that they have these in the past couple of seasons.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
Especially on Thursday.

Speaker 4 (16:40):
Night, you wonder if it's gonna take a wake up
call like this and that level of desperation kicks in,
and maybe there's another meeting that happens, a player's only meeting,
and these guys finally come to an agreement on how
they have to play to win. Maybe they watched tape
from last year, but it just doesn't smell right now.
The good news for them is while the Commanders are

(17:00):
starting to play better, they still are in a division
where they can be in control. And that's the one
saving grace right now with Philadelphia.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Although senior divisional games.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, and I mean the Dallas Cowboys and they have
a leg up on them already with that opening night victory,
are I think are performing better than a lot of
people thought they would, and they actually had one of
their better defensive performances of the season so far.

Speaker 5 (17:23):
Last week, I know it was the Jets.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Notwithstanding, so I mean that division, which most people thought.

Speaker 5 (17:28):
I don't know if anybody thought Philly would run away
with it.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
I think most people thought it was kind of the
Phillies and the Commanders to lose. I think it's a
little bit more competitive than people may have assumed, considering
that the Cowboys are kind of in that mix as well.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
At this point, you mentioned Jackson Dard and we've talked
about this before. As good as he has played so far,
it is so reckless. He looks like a crash test
dummy out there.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
A lot from a dummy.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
I am concerned.

Speaker 4 (17:53):
I mentioned him trying to be the white VIC, It's
more like I don't want him to have the path
of the White RG three, to put it that way,
because his rookie season, remember what he was doing with
the with the football. He ended up getting hurt in
that playoff game I think against Seattle eventually with Washington
and was never the same.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
But he took so many chances with his legs. It's
just not realistic that you can keep playing like that
and stay in this league that long.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
And if that's the way you do have to play
to win games. Right now, that's worrisome to me.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah, if you're Jackson Dart, you just have to realize,
you know, you have to play more like prime Russell
Wilson and less like prime Steve McNair.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
You are a slide.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
You ain't built that way. You're not gonna sit over
here in truck a linebacker or even a safety consistently.
We have to open cushion controversy on Thursday night with
Brian da bol and Rush trying to rush him back
into the game.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
He was about to fake being a doctor.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
I thought he was gonna put some scrubs on before
he went into the blue tent and clear him himself.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
That's one of they get the smelling salts, smack him
on the buttons, say get back out there, kid.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
What are you talking about? Is fourth down?

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I don't know I've ever seen a head coach get
upset with the team doctor or athletic trader like that
before I need him.

Speaker 5 (18:58):
Have you seen Russell Wilson. That's a first one. I
know we have to check out here, but I want to.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
I want to talk more about Jackson Darda on the
other side and juxtapose it with another quarterback situation, a shuffle.
If you talk about and we discussed this last week
on the show, maybe a little bit of prescients on
our part when talking about a quarterback change in the NFL.
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Speaker 3 (20:36):
All right.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Sticking with the NFL and then transitioning into Major League
Baseball on fn AN Fox Football Saturday.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
He's k fig.

Speaker 4 (20:44):
I'm out of Moslin, so to come. We got geek
News later this hour, and then Chris Plank next hour
to talk about red River rivalry. Recort that rivalry, red
River rivalry, red River rivalry, red River rivalry, red River rivalry.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
Almost Why is it so hard? What in God's holy
name are you blathering about?

Speaker 2 (21:02):
That was a pretty good streak you hat there. That
was what three consecutive ones flubbing it?

Speaker 5 (21:06):
That's pretty good.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Yeah, I'll try it again with Chris Plank a little
bit later. Okay, Bree shaking her hey, like, no, that
wasn't that good Red River rivalry.

Speaker 5 (21:12):
What's up, Bree? What's up?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
We were talking last segment about the Philadelphia Eagles and
their issues that they've run into in recent weeks, really
issues they've been having all season long, despite their four
and two record, and then losing to Jackson Dark and
the New York Giants on Thursday Night. Now, if you
were recalled a few weeks ago when the Giants made
the switch to bring in Jackson Dark, I questioned it
and whether or not it was the right time to
do it, and whether or not Brian day ball On

(21:36):
James Joe Shane were doing it because they felt that
Jackson Dart was ready to assume the role of starting
quarterback of the Giants, or because those guys were just
so freaking desperate and they knew Russell Wilson was so bad.
Let's just throw him in there and see what happens
and maybe he'll make something work. Nowhere else's turn. You
know what, it worked out, even if his stat lines
are not necessarily the most phenomenal. No, there's something to

(21:56):
be said, Adam for inserting a guy and giving a
team a little bit of a spark. He certainly did
that in that game against the Chargers three weeks ago.
Even if it's that line wasn't phenomenal there and it
really wasn't, but there was just a little bit of juice,
an invigoration into that offense and especially into that defense
that particularly week against the Chargers, that I don't think
can be discounted. And if he can continue to improve

(22:18):
and granted to your to your point last segment, not
take shots left and right, that may shorten his career.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
If he keeps doing that, Yes, you end up like
Steve Young. Yeah, and E. S. Williams has come and
look out, one of the all time greats in the
underrated even though he's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
It's the last play from Steve Young. It usually doesn't
end well, didn't LeVar Arrington here at Fox Sports Radio?

Speaker 5 (22:37):
And Troy Aikman's.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Career, Yes, and Derek Brooks ended Rich Gannon's career. There's
a couple of those.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
You mean because the Super Bowl or it just.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Not effectively ended Rich's career. But no, that very next season,
the Buccaneers came to Oakland and played the Raiders, and
uh Rich I believe was trying to slide and Derek Brooks,
you know, tried to tackle him.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
It wasn't malicious at all. He put him in with
one of those like dog cone things. Basically, we're rich
gannon like I almost had his neck broken or maybe
did have it fractured, and it was wearing one of
those dog combes.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
He hit him in the neck and he had a
whole back thing, and that basically for it. Rich was
also like forty two at the time or whatever it was.
He was a knocking on the door of retirement.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
He wanted to be as old as his receivers at
that point. Iim Brown and Jerry Right.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Were the oldest run They had the average age of
like thirty seven or something.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
That they understood each other or they were going to
be on the field at all times.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
So the extra juice and motivation that Jackson Dart infused
into that lineup for the Giants was infectious, and I
think it showed even that loss to the Saints that
got out to a hot start, Jackson showed that he
was a rookie obviously with a couple of turnovers and
Sody cam Scattabo who had that big fumble, but he's
played well for them too. Now we're wondering about something
that we discussed just last week on the F and

(23:47):
A takeover of Yes of FSR Adam. We were talking
in the six pack, I believe, and I believe I
brought up the Cincinnati Bengals and that I was putting
Jake Browning under the microscope because he had not played
well they started to and oh they've lost three straight
and considering how wide opened the AFC North Division seems
at this point in time, because Baltimore is struggling, we

(24:08):
discussed whether or not Jake Browning should be the guy
if he were to struggle again, which of course he
did last week. But let's take a little bit of
a listen to what we said last weekend about the
future or potential future of the Cincinnati Bengal quarterback situation.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Let's hit it, Brie.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Let's hit it, Brie. Win chimes, we're going back in time.
This is it us from last week. Come on, we
got it.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
In time travel?

Speaker 5 (24:34):
Maybe not? I hosted at F and A show.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I was so proud of this prediction, like I really
went out of my way to make sure because hey,
when we're wrong, you'll hear nothing about it, so it
will never bring it up when we're right, we're gonna
bring it up every single time.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Well, in my defense, I did bring up the fact
that I was basically wrong about Jackson Dart.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
I can admit to that.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (24:56):
I've been wrong a lot, but baby was is wrong
for telling that the.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
Audio all difficulties were up over here and I pressed
the play button.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
And I have no idea. Are you sure the video
is not muted, because that oftentimes.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Will happen the browser muted, and so essentially so we
had the discussion. And if Jake Browning struggles again, I
think the Cincinnati Bengals, if they are going to stay
alive in the playoff race in the AFC North, might
have to look at making a trade for a veteran quarterback.
I think I threw out a couple of names. Do
you think we have it now, Bree?

Speaker 5 (25:27):
Hell no, we don't have it now. No, you just
want to say, you know the guy Co commercial is
a guy Co with the dollar. Oh you almost got it.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
You almost goot it on the fishing Paul, Thanks for
I threw out names. I threw out Jamis Winston. I
even threw out the red Rifle. Who's backing up Bryce
Young in Carolina? Andy Dalton, Maybe your reunion there. Kirk Cousins.
Kirk Cousins was a guy we brought up, although we
did admit that probably not realistic considering his contract, having
his contract on the books, and Joe Burrow is probably
not prudent for one of the more frugal franchises in sports,

(25:56):
the Cincinnati Bengals.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
You brought up a name, Adam, and I thought it
was tongue in cheek, and maybe it was, but not
now it's not because it came true. Adam brought out
the name of Joe Flacco.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
Joe Flacco in division with the Cleveland Browns not playing
well to say the least, what two touchdown passes, six interceptions,
completing fifty seven percent of his passes this year.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
I mean for a Cleveland's Brown quarterback, that's actually about
par for the course. It is. It is they've gone
through forty the last twenty five.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Years, the extremely rare inter division trade of a quarterback,
no doubt.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
That's when you know a guy's washed.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
No, Well, there's something to be said because if you're
the Cleveland Browns, you're willing to trade a starting quarterback
within your division. Did this happen, says something Donovan McNabb. Yeah,
you got traded to the Washington the Redskins at the time.
I believe that was in the off season, though, too
the thing goes a little bit. Yeah, it's not as
not doesn't hurt as much.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
These are two teams.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
In a different place, and if the Cleveland Browns didn't
have two rookie quarterbacks that they probably would like to
move on to and that was always part of their plan.
This season, Wheels fell off and they have yep, with
Joe Flacco that this was always an option, of course,
But I still think it makes sense to some degree,

(27:11):
even when you're trading within a division like this, only
because I mean, come on at Joe Flacco.

Speaker 5 (27:16):
How much is he going to come back to hurt
you anyways?

Speaker 2 (27:18):
That's true, which if you're Cincinnati, like, how much is
he gonna help you?

Speaker 5 (27:22):
If the issue is that's what it is.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Adham, It's like you're making a desperate movie or taking
a shot in the dark. He's like, well, this guy's available,
and we knew what he's able to do when he
has a strong arm, lest bring him in and see
he can't do much worse than Jake Browning's doing. So
let's bring the problem is Jake Browning at least can
move a little bit and behind that offensive line. I
am very fearful for Joe Flacco's health and safety at
forty two years old, knowing that he's a statue and

(27:47):
pretty much has been.

Speaker 4 (27:48):
His entire career. He was born a statue. Yeah so
high doctor slapped him on the ass and it hurt him.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Like Joe Burrow is one of the most elusive quarterbacks
in the entire league and he can't stay healthy.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
But that behind that offensive line.

Speaker 4 (27:59):
I think this is mostly about in Cincinnati playcating to
the fans, like we have to do something.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
We're seeing what you are with Jake Browning. It's not working.
We have to go a different direction, and at least
when the pr like at least when it for a
week before they get smashed by the Green Bay Packers
in Green Bay coming up on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
But just to see that we're trying. We are at
least exhausting our options right now. The fans were actually
clamoring for Jamis Winston. There was a believe it or not,
a Bengals fan wearing a paper bag that said make
the Bengals great again, bring in Jameis Winston. It's like
that is I never thought i'd see something like that.

(28:42):
They are honestly, they just.

Speaker 5 (28:43):
Woantn't be entertained. Like we may still lose, but Jameis
Winston's gonna throw for three touchdowns and four picks. It's
gonna be at least entertaining, because look, you have all
the talent in the world.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
You signed T Higgins to the giant contract, you sign
Jamar Chase even says something to the effect this week
is like, I mean, yeah, at least we're trying, you know,
at least we're putting out some to try to shake
things up.

Speaker 5 (29:01):
And I don't give to appease the wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Correct who they just paid all this money to. I mean,
I understand it, you know. And if I were in,
you know, Mike Brown in that front office is situation,
even though I don't think it's gonna work, I would
do it too, just to show, like, hey, we realize
where we are here, we realize our defense is still terrible.
I think they're you know, pretty much third to last
in every defensive category. At this point in time. But
we have all the offensive talent in the world. We

(29:24):
can potentially perform better if we bring in a veteran
quarterback who has a little bit of experience. So I
don't think it's gonna work, but I guess I'll give
them credit for at least trying.

Speaker 5 (29:32):
Yeah, because it's.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Still with thin grass. Look, if the Baltimore Ravens were
fully healthy and we're undefeated and we're running away with
the division or something, maybe it will make a little
bit more sense. Don't trade away assets, just kind of
ride it out with Jake Browning and unfortunately chalk it
up to a lost season. You at this point in
time at least see a little bit of a light
at the end of the tunnel and say, all right, well,
we're two and three at this point, Baltimore struggling. Pittsburgh
is solid but certainly not dominant. We actually have a

(29:55):
chance to potentially win this division if we can have
a couple of things break our way. So I certainly
understand and the rationale behind why you would want to
make a move like this. I just don't think that
Joe Flacckell was the right person to bring in.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
Yeah, they didn't have a lot of great options. Obviously
we mentioned Russell Wilson before. That's what you're looking at.
It's scraping the bottom of the barrel. But when the
barrel is misfiring in the arm of Jake Browning, it
still feels like, Hey, a little bit of wind in
our sales. We got some positive news here. We're going
to see something different this week. It may still be

(30:28):
really bad, but it's a different shade of bad than
what we've been seeing the last three weeks.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Well, the call part is still like Joe flaccol has
no experience with his coaching staff, no experience in the
AF He admitted this when he did his introductiony press
conference on Friday. You know, just being able to break
the huddle and have the right catence and call the
right place. This guy's been now. Granted, Baker Mayfield did
it against the Raiders, but that's the Raiders was talking
about here. A couple of years ago when he went
to the Rams after being with him for three days
at Lantam two went against the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
On Thursday night, I think, or a Monday night whatever
it was. So to be fair, they didn't have a
lot of tape on him playing for the Rams.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
Yet that's not This situation is a little bit different
when you're playing against a legitimate Super Bowl contender on
the road, A little bit of a different situation.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Yeah, the Green Bay Packers are favored by fourteen in
that game, rightfully, So I don't think Joe Flacco moved
the line in a positive direction. I don't think he's
worth a point or even a half a point, not
even a quarter point, which they don't do.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
That's a baby hook, That's what you would.

Speaker 4 (31:24):
Call that in gambling. But I commend them for trying something.
Is this going to be the savior they're looking for?

Speaker 2 (31:31):
No?

Speaker 4 (31:32):
I don't know if people still feel like, you know,
you catch a hot streak with Joe Flacco, you just
never know what can happen.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
The play off, Joe, You just get him to the
postseason and see what happens.

Speaker 4 (31:42):
Is that the level of faith some fans still have
that we're saying he was elite back then in twenty
twelve or whenever it was.

Speaker 5 (31:48):
I think that's fairly irrational.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
It is he's over the hill. He's about to retire.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
He was retired. They called him out of retirement, a
couple of years ago. Well, he's sitting on his couch.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Sometimes it takes two retirements to actually settle into it
and realize that's that's your place.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
That's brettforv exactly.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
So uh, the Cincinnati Bengals, good luck to you. The
Joe Flacco experiment is about to be underway. Speaking of experiments, Yes,
coming up next in geek News, it looks like we
have the science, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
We finally got down to it.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Yes, science do nice guys finish, last research has been done.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
We'll give you the answer. Coming up next, he's Kevin Figures.
I'm Adam Moslin. This is fn A on FSR.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
Name's that housewares fn A cotton.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Back in on the f and A takeover of FSR
F and A on FSR. Kevin Figures and Adam Awson
with you hit us on the socials at kfig one
and at follow Adam A. Coming up at the top
of the next hour, we would get into our NFL
six pack for week six. But coming up right now, Adam,
let's get to it.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
Let's goodman, you're playing D and D tonight. You want
to come case this.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Let's guys, don't be choosed that I've been chying online
with babes all day.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Just keep your power close up.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Her right wants Kennelin.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
So there's a long held belief or a stereotype that
women want the bad boy and nice guys always finish last.

Speaker 5 (33:25):
They don't want Steve Erkle.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
I treat her so well, and I'm so nice to her,
and I give her flowers all the time, and all
this guy does is treat her like trash and ignores
all of her text messages.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
I don't understand. They don't want Rkele. They want Stefan.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Stefan or Kel. That's right, good pull.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
They don't want boring and stable, they want unpredictable and dysfunctional.
They want a man who will recklessly spend money. He
doesn't have my paying for a five hundred dollars night
and putting it on his credit card while meanwhile he's
two months late on his rent.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
That's right.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
I'll shake your head, Brie. All them is fast.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
That's a taste of America right there for you. And
it's science too. You're about to find that out.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
And short Ferrari, that's a fleet car that you got
from work.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
You know what's one of my favorite memes flirting versus harassment?

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Have you seen that one?

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Kevin?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I haven't.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
But uh, it's the same statement made by two different men.
Oh okay, I got you, and the statement is, hey.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
That dress looks sexy on you.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
Now, from the good looking guy, it's perceived as flirting,
but the big ogre looking dude with a quad schin
is perceived as harassment. Away for me, yeah, that guy
might have got pepper spray.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, the first guy is like, oh, really.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
Flirting versus harassment? So how much do looks in style
play a role in attracting the opposite sex or attracting
females in this case? And do nice guys really finish last?
So a study was conducted and published in the Journal
of Research and Personality. I'm sure the researchers for this

(34:59):
have some really big personalities and weren't socially awkward at all,
the nerds. But a questionnaire was sent out to thirty
eight hundred adults in Australia, Denmark and Sweden and they
were asked whether they were in a relationship and if so,
how satisfied they were with it. Well, when it came
to kindness, there was a divide between the two sexes.

(35:21):
Women who were more agreeable, meaning empathetic, cooperative, patient were
no more likely to be in a relationship than women
in whom these qualities were less pronounced. For men, though,
agreeability agreeableness seemed to work against them, The correlation between

(35:42):
kindness and being in a relationship was weak but slightly negative.
In other words, the nicer he was, the less likely
he was to.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
Have a partner.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
You know what I hate most about this study that
I'm not that nice and I still am single and
ready to mingle here. But the study says I have
a better chance of being in a relationship if I'm
more of an a hole.

Speaker 5 (36:07):
So he needs to be more of an a a
hole than you already are. Now impossible. I was gonna say,
that's pretty hard to do, I find to be honest.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Maybe I need to take things up a notch. Kevin,
Here's what I'm thinking next, girl, I like, I'm just
pulling pranks left and right on her. I'm pulling a
chair out from underneath her using a whoopee cushion. I'm
stealing her parking spot, I'm teeping her house doorbell, ditching her.

Speaker 2 (36:27):
You're going straight back to middle school. Basically, is this
what you want?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
You want me to be mean and nasty? Like, this
is this what I have to do to take things
up a notch to be the right type of jerk
to pass as a mate? Like maybe if I get
her number, I'll just prank call her a lot and
she'll like me because of that.

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Is that how it works?

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I feel like there's probably the word nice is probably
being used out of context to a certain degree.

Speaker 5 (36:48):
I'm gonna give her what Willie Well, I'll mean atia
she might be into that. You never know, I might
find the right one.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Like there's the idea like if a guy who literally
just fawns over a woman that will give her anything
that she wants, and it's being ultra submissive.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
Of simp city.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah basically yeah, but if you be in a simp
and it's like that's a huge turn off for women.
You can be a nice person but be pretty confident
in yourself and have boundaries and say what you you
know like and don't like. And if she says she
wants to do something and you don't just like and
stand on business on that's like now not really feeling that.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Sorry, ten toes down yeah, basically, so I was like,
I think to make yourself too available, that's kind of
what it is, or at least just make sure you
stand on something and don't just submit to every to
all of her whims because women don't find that attractive.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
That is part of what this study says. But you
could be nice. That's different.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Being a kind person is different than being a pushover,
I guess is the way that I read.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
It right, looking weak or meek?

Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yeah, but you can be nice and still be confident
without veering into arrogant. Necessarily, it's the confidence aspect that
they seem to like most.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But there are women out there who love arrogant aholes
who are very flighty and don't return calls and all
that stuff. It draws them in. Depends on the type
of person you're looking for.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
I guess, center straight to voice mail. I got her
for I got her good ring.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Now, now that's true. They like the negging. Sometimes you
have to give them a hard time and uh, they'll
eventually come around. I mean, play hard to get baby.
So I don't know, as a dude, are you so?
I mean you've mentioned your situation here, Adam. Is that
the issue that you're finding Are you being? Are you

(38:25):
being one? Either too much of one or too much
of the other. I just stopped going out much once
I stopped drinking. I think the problem that social lubricnt
is not as prevalent in my life anymore.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
So you can knock back a few Shirley Temples and
still spit some games. So yeah, seven up with cherry,
grenadine or whatever.

Speaker 5 (38:43):
Exactly, get that little cherry in there.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
Why not.

Speaker 5 (38:46):
That's a big night for me. I am sure, you
know that's that's everything now.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, I never thought this cherry until I started talking
to you. You know, there's something like that, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 4 (38:57):
I don't know. I feel like I just have to
be even worse. I have to be a worse guy
to find for for women to find me more attractive.
That's what it's gonna take, according to the study at.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
Least, well the study of Australians and sweetens and where else.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
Oh, there's so much different than us, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But I'm just I mean, there are.

Speaker 5 (39:13):
Some culture and norms that art maybe a little bit different.
Not at the Red House. At the Red House, you
haven't seen that.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Look that up on YouTube.

Speaker 5 (39:21):
By the way.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Yeah, it's amazing.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
That's a classic. It's right up there with Spirit of Truth.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Another oldie but goodie for sure. If you're an fn
A listener, you know about the Spirit of Truth.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
I just thought it was interesting that there finally was
some cold, hard facts when it came to this subject.
People really want to know. Do nice guys finish last?
And sometimes even guys that aren't that nice end up
finishing last.

Speaker 5 (39:44):
There's still hope for.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Me, though, Oh ah, I was gonna say, I was
gonna say so. Basically, what we can surmise is that
there's just no hope for some people. Regardless of how
nice you are or how mean you are. You're just
a lost cause you call me a cat person. Not necessarily,
I was saying, you do have you do have your
two cats.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Are you really get out and be like that?

Speaker 3 (40:01):
Kevin Well, I.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Mean, you've admitted that your cats make your football picks
for you every single week when we do too on,
too off.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
Well, they're doing a good job for the most part.
I'm the real problem with the picks. So we'll get
into more of that later. Kevin's been kicking my ass there,
but he's kicking most people's asses in this from what
I've seen, I'm looking at Joel klass picks he's under
five hundred.

Speaker 5 (40:20):
I'm like, yeah, right there with me, Joel. I'm coming
for Awley.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
Kevin Fager is doing well though blind squirrel finds a
handful of nuts every now and then. I guess, all right,
Coming up next the NFL six pack on fn A
on FSR.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Do listen sports.

Speaker 5 (40:37):
It is fn A on Fox Football Saturday. I'm out
of may. He is, Kevin figures Kevin up.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
We got Chris Plank coming on talking about the red
River rivalry, red River rivalry, red River rivalry red River.

Speaker 5 (40:52):
By the end of the show, right, it didn't sound
like that.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
All right? Coming up?

Speaker 5 (40:59):
We all, oh, we'll get to some major League baseball talk.
But first, what about your tweets?

Speaker 4 (41:05):
No, Kevin, I was going through some of the old
sound that I put into this machine from a long
time ago, and I forgot about this one. See if
you recognized this voice.

Speaker 5 (41:15):
Glowing up right now?

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Can you not recognize the great Fox Sports radio host
Steve Hartman.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
I think it's still a good asset to you from
people tweet us glowing up right now. He's at kfig one.
I'm gonna follow out him a big Lou, big long
time FNA listener, Big Lou. Good to hear from you,
big Lou. I guess he wants us to take some
calls here if you want to call in, and we
got the line. The lines are open.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. We'll try to
get to you guys here. But he wants to talk
about the new two k all stot Cam Scataboo.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
Who that's eight wids just so we have the eight
seven seven nine nine six six three six nine eight
seven seven ninety nine one Fox.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
Yes, call Cam Scataboo when you need touchdowns by a
white running back. Yeah, that's he's gonna give it to you, dah.
Like we've known about him at Arizona State. So none
of this is surprising to me. Why he went in
the fourth round, I don't know. I don't know what's
up with that. You know, Hey, some people complain about
Shador Sanders going that late. I'm gonna complain about Scattle.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I mean, a guy that made Texas, who had this
great defense last year, looks stupid in that playoff game.

Speaker 5 (42:23):
I don't know. Yeah, you know, I'm I'm emmy for
him doing backflips.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Now, we do know he didn't have the measurables, didn't
run very fast. He's one of those. He's not a
heighthweight speed guy. Toby Gerhardt screwed it up for all
of us. I guess so those guys are the ones
who go earliest in the draft, even if it's more
based on potential and not production. So now, Camp scattabul
I don't know how long of a run he's gonna
have in the NFL playing the style that he plays,
because we talk about Jackson Dart running like a bulldozer.

(42:48):
At least Scataboy's built that way. Oh yeah, but the
amount of war and Terry's gonna have, he's gonna take
those sort of carries and those sort of hits. He
might not be around for very long. So let's enjoy
his NFL career for as long as we can.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
Jason Miller are also enjoying Camp Scattaboy blowing up right now.

Speaker 2 (43:05):
I do like that.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
The white Rhinos what Jason called them. That's pretty good.
I can get with that, all right. I like I
may become a Giants fan just bec because of camp
Scattaby jump from one bad organization to another that works.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Why why not?

Speaker 5 (43:19):
How dare you? What are you saying? I'm a Raiders
fan the Giants? Why not?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
The sea of misery is welcomes all. Bree is in
there with us right now. With the Saints.

Speaker 5 (43:30):
Mark might be coming out of it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
With the Bears.

Speaker 5 (43:32):
I'm actually kind of optimistic about what they might be doing.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
The Saints one last week.

Speaker 5 (43:35):
I don't know if you guys knew, but it's okay,
we're turning the corner. We're gonna win the super Bowl.
It's fine. Oh yeah, you guys got the Patriots this week.
We'll see how that goes. Let's see how this goes.
Let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Mark time for the NFL six pack.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
No, we're just gonna just gloss over that the Saints
are gonna win the Super Bowl. Statement because Bree, you
don't even believe that we're talking about margareite are during
the commercial breakout?

Speaker 5 (44:01):
Do you have one in there right now? Is that
what's going on?

Speaker 4 (44:03):
You got that lebron Hennessy exactly? Someone fell for the ad.
It worked, all right?

Speaker 2 (44:11):
All right, We're gonna start with our NFL six pack
in our first topic, the hot seat heat check the
coacher player under the most pressure this weekend, Adam, what
do you have?

Speaker 5 (44:19):
All right?

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Some may believe the expectations aren't high enough and never
really have been for this franchise. It's almost like they're
the mister irrelevant or franchises. Not because they're the worst,
they just aren't interesting enough with anything they do. Part
of it is the market, but I think it's mostly
because when you go off of the give me an
A or give me an F formula, they're pretty consistently

(44:42):
giving you a CNUS or a D plus. And while
they had a chance to make a little bit of
noise because their quarterback has some talent, he consistently underperforms
and leaves you wanting a lot more. I'm talking about
Kyler Murray and the Arizona Cardinals. Kyler Murray is on
a seat hotter than a Gila monster's black and pink

(45:03):
ass warming up on some volcanic rock in Arizona, and
Kyler Murray is anything but cold blooded. The Hail Murray
to DeAndre Hopkins was.

Speaker 5 (45:13):
Five years ago.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Unless he's playing the Raiders and he runs around behind
the offensive line for eighteen straight seconds, and finds a
way to beat him in overtime.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
It's the Raiders. We don't count stuff like that fair enough.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
The Raiders shuck, that's fair.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
But his biggest moment came half a decade ago. I
thought maybe he'd erupt after that and turn into one
of the better young quarterbacks in the league and had
a really bright future.

Speaker 5 (45:35):
But maybe the lights.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
Are too bright for Kyler Murray and not the ones
at his desk late at night. Because there have been
concerns over his lack of film study, to the point
he even had an independent study clause put in his
contract where Kyler can't multitask with video games while also
studying film. No, the Cardinals would prefer he would get
tunnel vision and stare down the playbook the way he

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stares down his receivers.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
He's now thirty eight and forty eight as a starter,
and the Cardinals are two and three this year and
on their way to finishing last in the NFC West
for the third time in the last four years. It
wasn't just de Marcado and his fumbling issue.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Oh, it was the the comedy of errors and how
that game ended last week was incredible for Arizona. It wasn't.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
It wasn't just de Marcado, wasn't Kyle.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
There was the entire team, but de Marcado's premature touchdown
ejection syndrome.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
We'll call it one week after we already had it happen.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
It's insane. How I does it continue to happen. I
don't get it.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
It's unbelievable. Man, Like, get exciting, Stop getting so excited.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
Just take one more step into the end zone and
do whatever the bleep you want. Just cross the goal
line first. People, It's not that hard, and if you do,
you won't have your head. Coach Jonathan Gannon lighting you
up on the sidelines. I haven't seen again and light
someone up like that since Rich Gannon with Tim Kats
ten years ago, told him lose my number number now.

(47:02):
He lost it on Mark Trustman some years ago on
a pretty epic sideline rand.

Speaker 5 (47:06):
I remember, I didn't see Jonathan's face during what I'm
sure he would label the unholy roller that went against
the squad for that touchdown. Later it's a Raider play
from Raider history.

Speaker 4 (47:16):
I like it, but I'm tired of seeing Kyler Murray
roll out look like a video game he'd rather be playing.
But yet they still end up somewhere around twenty points
tops every week in Arizona. It's just not working. Even
his former coach in Cliff Kingsbury, who was enamored with
him before he was even coaching him, Well, you thought
that would be a great pairing an offensive tandem.

Speaker 5 (47:36):
It wasn't. But now Cliff's a good pairing with Jaden
McDaniels in Washington. He's the OC there. Maybe both Arizona
and Kyler Murray need a change of scenery. Perhaps the
football being snapped and hitting him in the face in
shotgun like a couple times a year is a sign
you're just not on the same page. It's not happening
in Arizona.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Not being able to see over the offensive line doesn't
help your calls either.

Speaker 5 (47:58):
That's a Bryce Young issue as well.

Speaker 4 (48:00):
Look, no one expected him to be Tom Brady, but uh,
Kyler Murray is closer to Marsha Brady with how often
he's getting hit in the face with the football.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Well, there are high expectations of since he was the
first overall pick for a team that drafted a quarterback
in Josh Rosen With I think the seventh overall pick
the previous year. That's a lot of high expectation right there.

Speaker 5 (48:19):
That's right. So I forgot they had Josh ros Everyone forgot.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
They at least expected you to be some sort of
Pro Bowl type quarterback for you know, the next decade
or so, and then hasn't turned into that.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Now.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
The problem is the end of the road is not
on the horizon because he has a fifty seven million
dollars dead cap hit next season. They are not eating
fifty seven sixty million dollars to have him not play
for them next year.

Speaker 5 (48:41):
They won't be eating wins either, like Jamis wins, maybe
eating a lot more ws if Jamis was there. Do
you got somebody on the hot seat here?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
I do have somebody on the hot seat and that
is John Harball. And you kind of brought this up
a couple of weeks ago with the Ravens. I know
the Ravens are banged up and they had so many
guys injured last week it was incredible on both sides
of the They don't have Lamar Jackson again coming up
this weekend against the Rams. And I'm not saying they
have to beat the Rams. That might not be realistic
even though they're at home. But you got to show
a little bit of fight. I mean, you laid down

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against a Houston Texans offense that has been atrocious all
season long, and they ran up and down the field
on you. I realize you gotta have, dudes, at a
certain point. It's a talent talent based league. You can
have all the gumption and all the motivation of the world,
and if you just aren't good enough, you're gonna get
run off the field.

Speaker 5 (49:26):
Lewis speeches, I think.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Baltimore is at least good enough to be able to
compete on a weekend week out basis. They cannot afford
to go out and get blown out and run off
the field again by the Rams this weekend. So John Harbold,
I don't think it's in the verge of getting fired
per se unless things completely go off the rails this season.
But they have to show at least a little bit
of fight this week. Don't get run off of the field,
lose by ten, show some fight.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
I'm renofictable.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
I know the bar is very low, but at the
very least try to show a little bit of fight
out there against the Rams this weekend and don't get
embarrassed on your own home field for the second week
in a row.

Speaker 5 (49:58):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
Coming up next, You're gonna like this. Chris Plank is
joining us former sooner. Yeah, some of you who are
complaining about us being in his time slot.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
First of all, get used to it.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Second of all, he's our friend and he supports this show, right,
and he's coming up next to.

Speaker 5 (50:14):
Talk about what Redriver rivalry. The Red River rivalry. Chris
Plank is next here on FNA.

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Kevin Figures and Adam also hit us on the Socials
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and about twenty minutes or so we'll continue our FNA
six pack. But coming up right now, we have the
Red River rivalry coming up later this afternoon, and we
have a special guest, one of our Fox Sports family members,

(51:20):
joining us right now, Adam to talk about.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
It Alan drinking dude, Thank you, Guddy.

Speaker 5 (51:26):
Well, fifteen years ago, it was me calling our next
guest on this show to ask for some advice on
how to get into sports talk radio, to which he replied, quote,
I hope you like Edie macaroni and cheese and top
Ramen every night. But since then he's become the big
Cheese at Oklahoma and Fox Sports Radio. But now, in
a full circle moment, we're currently broadcasting our show in

(51:47):
one of his old time slots, right so, I guess
he's eating that good Gouda cheese. Now, it's our indirect
guardian angel who's been unknowingly looking out for us all along.
It's Chris Plague joining us here on FNA on Fox
Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Chris, good looking out. Let's have some fun in your
old time slot here.

Speaker 9 (52:05):
I appreciate you guys having me on ever since Brief
fired me. I mean, this thing has been a rocket ship.
You guys are taking off and I don't deserve the
kind words, but I'm grateful for them. And yeah, I
mean listen, I had to travel. I'm here and I'm
coming to you live from the Omni Hotel, which is
the epicenter of Sooner Nation.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
Now the team's not staying here.

Speaker 9 (52:24):
This is where the OU Alumni Association is, and I
apologize that there's parties going on all around us right
now as we get set for o U Texas a
little bit, I guess you can say now later on
in essential and Eastern time zone, later on this morning,
later on this afternoon, whatever it might be, depending on
your time zone. But I actually had to travel with
two ham sandwiches, so it's not too much party time yet.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
But I'm fired up for this game tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
I know how it goes, Chris. So as you're out there,
you're in the epicenter. Like you mentioned, people talk about
Robbery's Ohio State and Michigan and Alabama, Auburn the unique
part of this rivalry is it's played early in the season.
Just talk a little bit about the rivalry between Oklahoma
and Texas and what the atmosphere is like that out
every year at the Cotton Bowl.

Speaker 9 (53:10):
Yeah, second Saturday in October is where it has historically
been during both teams times in the time in the
Big Twelve, and even I want to say last year,
it's maybe even been that first weekend in October. And
you know, Kfig, you add to the uniqueness of this
whenever you're playing in the Cotton Bowl and it's fifty

(53:30):
percent Crimson, and it's fifty percent that hideous burnt orange,
and it's always hot as hell, so I'm hydrating and
it's just it's in the middle of a party.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I mean, it really truly is.

Speaker 9 (53:44):
And you know, there's people that are listening right now
that have been here, you know, and they're like absolutely
because it's right in the middle of the state fair.
And it's not like a small state fair where there's
a ferris wheel and a couple of a I don't know,
the zippo or whatever there is. I mean, it's a party.
There is the largest ride you can imagine. It's funny

(54:07):
whenever I walk in we go on this main game,
they never know what I'm wearing ou gear. I've got
my pass and everything and my producer and I always
kind of get there super early.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
In the play by play voice Toby.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
Rowland, no one ever really knows where you're supposed to
be or you're supposed to go. I usually have to
tell secure. I'm like, no, we go over here. Yeah,
it's fine, But once you walk in, it's the craziest
thing ever because you got big techs, which is this
just massive Texan that's standing up there with the cowboy
hats like the Statue of Liberty, and then right below
them there is literally Ford. Inside the state fair has

(54:38):
an exhibit where people are just driving cars around a track,
not like go carts, like full sized cars, so they
get to like take a test drive.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
Might be Chevy, but it's a different world.

Speaker 9 (54:48):
It's all about corny dogs and funnel cakes and turkey
legs and wax cup beers. And then for about three
hours everyone comes together inside an antiquated dare I even say,
you know, barely standing cotton bowl, which has been renovated
and upgraded for one of I think.

Speaker 3 (55:06):
Three games that are played here.

Speaker 9 (55:09):
I think it's only one of three football games that
are still played at the stadium. And it's as breathtaking
and his jaw dropping of just a scene, the esthetics
of it or something that's just pretty amazing k Fig.
And then at some point we kick off the game
and we find out who's the better team. But you know,
I'm in the it's a forty eight hour maybe seventy
two hour party for some people, depending on what their

(55:29):
pregame festivities are like. And it's held the test of time,
and I hope it never moves out of the State
Fair or out of the Cotton bol Chris.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
Before we get down to the nuts and bowls of
this particular matchup, and sticking with the big picture here,
how do you see this rivalry evolving? Is it just
more amplified now in the SEC? Because to me, this
was like some Dodgers Giants thing where they hate each
other so much they follow each other to the West Coast.

Speaker 5 (55:52):
These two teams follow each other to the SEC. Just
what does it mean for the rivalry in that respect?

Speaker 9 (55:57):
Yeah, it's funny because you have you add to that
where it's you know, the Texas side of it is like,
well Oklahoma followed Texas. Uh, then that may then Oklahoma
state fans want to get all mad and say Oklahoma
chose Texas over us, when you know, in reality, I mean,
the facts are that, you know, Oklahoma kind of ignited

(56:17):
the discussions to the SEC.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
But that's just part of this rivalry.

Speaker 9 (56:21):
I mean, dude, you want to get an Ou fan triggered,
call it the Texas Oklahoma game. You want to get
a Texas fan triggered, call it the Oklahoma Texas game.
I mean, it's just that's I was talking to our
buddy Fozzie Whittaker the other day, who does a great
job on ESPN and the former Panthers running back is
now on the SEC network, and I was like, hey,

(56:41):
what's your feeling on the Ou Texas game?

Speaker 3 (56:43):
He goes, well, first, I think the Texas OU game.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
I mean, that's just how petty this is. And you
mentioned kind of having this stage. I think a lot
of people in the SEC, you know, I guess I
didn't really realize.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
This until I was in this league.

Speaker 9 (56:59):
It's not an arrogance, it's not a cockiness, but just
they don't really have a care for anything outside of
their conference. You know, it's maybe they'll watch Ohio State Michigan.
Maybe they'll they'll this weekend they'll be in on Oregon
and their matchup with Indiana. But for the most part,
they are very pigeon holed on the SEC and nothing
outside of the SEC is better than what's in the SEC.

(57:20):
I mean, we went to our first SEC media day
last year and that I mean you had guys who
are like, well, the Mississippi Mississippi State Egg Bowl is
a bigger deal than OU Texas, And then they came
right and they covered it, and they're like, Okay, we're wrong.
You know, it's just that it's it's exposing it to
a whole new world and you know, I don't know,

(57:40):
maybe dare I even say, a larger audience, And it's just,
you know, it's good to see this game getting the
attention it deserved, not I mean when you mentioned getting
into the nuts and bolts of it, which we will.
Texas has been a bit of a disappointment so far,
but you know, all it takes is winning this game
and it can change the tune for either one of
these teams as far as the season is going. So yeah,

(58:02):
it's it's really cool to see how now you got
SEC people that without Florida and Georgia has always been
bigger or miss to be missed or whatever, you know, Alabama, Tennessee,
whatever it might be. Sure they probably still feel like
that's the bigger rivalry, but they now appreciate the uniqueness
and the special nature of these two bordering states that
just really really hate each other. Whenever it comes to

(58:25):
this Saturday in October.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Chris Playing joining us here on F and A on FSR.
Of course you're here Chris here on Fox Sports Radio.
More tolerating than co hosting Arnie Spaniel every Sunday night.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
That's a really talk about it.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Talk about a heavy lift, my god the other day.
O K.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Fake. I'll just tell you this real quick.

Speaker 5 (58:40):
That's the real rivalry right there.

Speaker 9 (58:42):
He moved and I do a local show every day
from six to nine a Central time, and he has
no care for anything anyone else is doing.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
And I mean he knows this.

Speaker 9 (58:52):
I'm on from six and I got like twelve text
messages because something went wrong with his computer.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Like I'm his personal it guy.

Speaker 9 (58:59):
Dude, I'm on the I'll help you at nine am,
all right, Yeah, Yeah, he's the best. So it'll be
fun to see how the Dolphins have him on the
ledge again this Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Guddon for paying to be a Dolphins fan, for sure,
for Arnie's fan. You're among other things, Arizona basketball is
disappointed for years. We can go on and on about that.
But Chris also silent reporter for the Oklahoma Sooners. So
you talked about the struggles of the University of Texas
recently this year, and let's start with arch Manning. I
know Oklahoma has its own set of quarterback issues. Sure,
when it comes to John Matier, we'll talk about him

(59:29):
in a second. But just from the outside looking in,
what was your take on Arch Manning. A lot of
people were not on this bandwagon coming in to the season.
They said, Ah, this guy, if his last name wasn't Manning,
he'd be more of a three star than a five star.
He struggled against good competition in high school. Just from
your perspective, being as close to the Oklahoma Texas situation
as you have been, what were your expectations for Arch

(59:50):
Manning and what do you think of what you've seen
of him so far this season?

Speaker 3 (59:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (59:54):
I was a little bit different in that. Well, now
everybody was like, got it think he was that good?

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Right? I can't fig that's how it happened. That's whenever
things go south.

Speaker 9 (01:00:01):
But I mean, Texas was the preseason number one team
and they lost the highest rated recruit in the history
of lack of recruiting. I mean Quinn Youwers, even though
he's a seventh round pick and really hasn't done much
yet in the NFL, Like he was considered whenever he
went to Ohio State one of the greatest recruits. And
he was the starting quarterback for three years at Texas

(01:00:23):
and he was really good. When he graduated and moved
he still had another year of eligibility when he moved on.
I was a big believer that, hey, you know, it's
it's gonna be tough and you because Texas lost his playmakers,
they lost their top running back, and oh, by the way,
they lost four of their five starters on an offensive
line that had been among the best in college football.

(01:00:45):
But none of that mattered to a lot of people
because they've got Arch Manning, who, by the way, has
been in the system now for three years and in
those previous two seasons had started what two games because
of injury, So it's in a lot of ways, it's
like having a fresh out there, and everyone just wanted
to look past that, and they didn't want to accept
that this was a team that had bigger issues and

(01:01:07):
they were preseason number one when they really didn't deserve it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
But I'd Kavik, I'm different.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
I know a lot of people like to pile on Arch,
and that's fine.

Speaker 9 (01:01:14):
The Athletic had a disgustingly ridiculous article this week about
how he's college football's first flop.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I did see that. There's been dozens. That's ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (01:01:24):
Listen, Will, I don't know this first time you watched
college football, but holy smokes, we've had flops out the
wazoo over the last fifty years. But here's where all
defend Arch and dan Orlowski. Through this out this week,
the offensive line has allowed the highest pressure rate in
the SEC. Mike Cowort on the Sooner Radio Network. Former
NFL guy Gay Biker called their left guard situation basically tragic.

(01:01:45):
Their running backs are thirteenth in a sixteen team SEC
in average arts per run at four point three, and
their defense hasn't recorded a sack against their two Power
four opponents. So it's not just Arch. I mean, this
team has problems all the way around. I watched the
Florida game now twice, and if it wasn't for Arch,
they might have been sacked twenty times. He did a

(01:02:07):
good job of evading pressure. So he hasn't been as
good as people thought he was going to be because
people put ridiculous expectations on him. When Paul Finbaum comes
out and says he's the greatest quarterback prospect, the greatest
quarterback since Tim Tebow, it's like, Buddy, you've covered the
SEC for a long time. You had Joe Burrow that
was in this league in twenty nineteen, and that's unfair.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
So I thought it was unfair. I think he's gonna
be a good quarterback. I think he's gonna be really
good next here.

Speaker 9 (01:02:34):
But Texas's problems are more than just Arch's erraticness. They've
got issues on the offensive line, and that's hard to
fix in the middle of a season.

Speaker 4 (01:02:42):
Especially because I can't remember the last time Oklahoma's defense
look this good. Like what I know, Hey, I'm a
casual in disrespect Chris, but they look incredible on the
defensive line.

Speaker 5 (01:02:54):
Just what have you seen that changes?

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
I guess the temperature of how this game could go
because of how good their defense is.

Speaker 9 (01:03:02):
Well, Adam, a couple of things. Number one, just as
you mean, I like the admission that you're a casual.
So that means all my notes I have here for
my pregame show I could throw to you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Guys, Here we go.

Speaker 9 (01:03:12):
Oklahoma rinks number one in six defensive categories college football,
including total defense, yards per play, tackles for loss in
a game, in sacks. Forty eight percent of the opponents
two hundred and seventy six plays this year have resulted
in zero or negative yards. And as we sit here
on the precipice of Ou and Texas, Oklahoma has forced

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more punts than they have allowed total points this season.
So you know, it's funny. Britton Vinnables is a defensive mind.
You know, he's he's changed the mindset here. This was
a program that you could count on fifty points a
game and their defense might give up forty eight or
forty nine our fifty and you might need the team

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to throw it to you. Now this is a defense
that is deep and nasty. You know, there's a young
man who is really starting to emerge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:06):
His name's David Stone.

Speaker 9 (01:04:07):
He wears zero, Adam, watch him tomorrow, He's I guess
later today. He's special. And it's funny because last week,
what's his first start? You know, he's not even a
starter for their defense. He up Jayden Jackson, who was
a freshman All American last year. We're just talking about
defensive tackles. Dominic Williams, who was a transfer for TCU,
who's really starting to emerge. I mean, they've got they're

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four to five deep at defensive tackle. And then you
add in the guy who might be the highest draft
pick on this defense in our Mason Thomas thirty two,
the edge rusher that is just an absolute beast getting
after the quarterback. So it really starts with the defensive
line because it's wild over the last few years. If
you look at stats and most teams, you're leading tacklers

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are your linebackers, maybe even your safety. For Oklahoma, linebackers
and safeties haven't even had a chance to make a
play yet this year because the intive line has been
eating it up.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
Here's my concern, though, Adam.

Speaker 9 (01:05:03):
They have shown the ability to lose guys in coverage
and they're very young at corner for the most part.
They've got an experienced guy in Gentry Williams at one corner,
but he's battled injuries. Courtland Gillery is the name to
keep an eye on. He where is number four? Cam
coleman ate his lunch Whenever Oklahoma played Auburn, and Oklahoma's

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gotten better I think at helping him out. They've got
a little Eli Bowen a corner, came back to provide
depth depth. Kendall Dolby is back to provide depth at corner.
But you know all those numbers I just laid out,
You know they Texas lives.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
And dies by the explosive big.

Speaker 9 (01:05:39):
Play, and Oklahoma has shown, at least against Auburn a
little vulnerability to it. Even against Michigan they gave up
the you know, eighty plus yard run. So to me,
that's the one area that when I'm heading into the
game later today, I'm a little bit worried about. And
that is Oklahoma being able to make sure that they
can pressure Arch get them off the spot.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
I have no doubt about that.

Speaker 9 (01:06:01):
But if he gets some time, could there be a
big play out there in the passing game that they
can hit on, and unfortunately, Oklahoma has shown little bit
of vulnerability to that at times this season.

Speaker 5 (01:06:11):
I don't know this sounds so fierce. Maybe arch man
connection to his uncles will just be that he's gonna retire.
Also like he just walk away. I'm good, I'm out,
have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Chris Less addressed the elephant in the room when it
comes to the quarterback position at Oklahoma. With Jah matier upgrade,
it's a probable just what are we fourteen days removed
from that hand surgery at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (01:06:31):
Yeah, so let me ask you this question, Chris.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
And I'm not gonna say be honest with me because
I know you're going to be if they were playing
Texas Southern instead of Texas. Is Jo Matier playing in
this game? Is he playing because he's ready or is
he playing because of the weight of his game?

Speaker 9 (01:06:44):
I think he's playing because he came to Oklahoma to
play in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Yeah, and I.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
But I'll say I'll add this context to it. I
think Oklahoma is very aware as a team, as a program,
as a coaching staff that they've got a big game
next week at South Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Ole Miss is coming to town the following week. Then
they go.

Speaker 9 (01:07:08):
I think I'm doing this off the top of my head,
and I think we go to Tennessee. We listen to me,
we But I just I think it's a great question
because if it was, say, kn't State this week, then
he's probably not playing because they would know they'd win
the game. But everything that we've heard, which isn't much,

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is that he really hasn't been all that limited.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
Here's my concern. I think he's gonna play. I think
he's gonna start.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
What happens the first time he takes a shot on
that hand right because Texas.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Knows he's he's hurt.

Speaker 9 (01:07:43):
Also, Oklahoma's offense has a lot of QB run whenever
he's in the game. Do they shift that up? Do
you see a Michael Hawkins when they're running the ball?

Speaker 3 (01:07:52):
You know?

Speaker 9 (01:07:53):
And maybe they alternate quarterbacks. I don't know, but they
have It's a great balance. Oklahoma needs to beat Texas,
not just for playoff purposes and the season, but Ventnables
has one and two against Texas and to the losses
or the worst against Texas in program history, and you
know he wants to win it more than anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
But Oklahoma looks.

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
Like the kind of team that has a defense that
might have something to say about titles whenever we get
to the playoffs. So it is a wild and delicate balance.
It's been as secretive and as weird around here kfig
as I can remember Oklahoma took practices indoors this week.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
I never, well, now they do have AC.

Speaker 9 (01:08:33):
In their indoor now, and we haven't had AC in
the indoor around here ever, and they just got it
put in this year, so that makes a little bit
of a difference.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
But it's a coach.

Speaker 9 (01:08:41):
Viittables shut down any conversations or questioned about him, So listen.
I know I'm being long winded here. This has been
the one thing I've covered NonStop for the better part
of the last two weeks. But I said, as soon
as I started reading up on all the thumb injuries
Curtis Rourke and Indiana last year, Jared Goff a couple
of years ago in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:08:59):
Every thom is different, every injury is different.

Speaker 9 (01:09:02):
But as soon as I saw those timelines, I immediately thought,
he's playing to ou Texas. He's absolutely gonna play, so well,
we'll see how much he plays. But it has been
a wild storyline to kind of interrupt that usual who's
better on the offensive line, who's better on the defensive line,
Who's run game? Run game is so huge in this game.
Who wins the rushing battle usually wins oh U Texas.

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But all week long it's been is he gonna play?
Is John Matier gonna play? And there's nowhere that you
could go in Norman or across the state of Oklahoma
without someone asking you about his availability.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
And Oklahoma's done a really good job keeping it close
to the vest.

Speaker 4 (01:09:38):
I hear, like if you're at a Chipotle, you just
put your ear up to the guacamole and it tells
you whether or not he's playing.

Speaker 9 (01:09:46):
The tortilla press or store is one of my all
time favorites. I just I love that you're at your ear.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
That shows you.

Speaker 9 (01:09:53):
Man, you're at a freaking Chipotle and you're just trying
to get your your double protein bowl right, maybe get
the case so maybe get the extra guac, And all
of a sudden, the tortilla Presser's like, hey, John Mattier,
you playing. It's hilarious. And that's what it's been. Like,
We've got they move practice inside One of the funny
things about it is where the school of journalism is at,

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you can see the practice field like you can see
the practice field from their classes.

Speaker 3 (01:10:20):
And I think that had a lot to do with
O you moving things indoors this week.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
All right, Chris, last one for you here is I'm
scrolling through your Twitter account and I may have seen
something that's unrelated to Oklahoma.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
It's hard to find on there, but I did. You're
also a Raiders fan, so it's the ying and the yang.
Oklahoma's thriving, the Raiders are suffering right now. And you
said this quote. As a lifelong diehard Raiders fan, I've
seen some bad, awful, terrible, and embarrassing performances. This talking
about last weekend's performance performance honestly might take the cake

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is the most pathetic performance I've seen, not just by
the Raiders but by any NFL team ever, Like who ever?
Is that hyperbole?

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
I mean, maybe.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
You're in the one percent of seeing bad performances of
all time because you're a Raiders fan, so you would
know about them. But uh, it's only up from here, right,
You got the Titans coming up.

Speaker 9 (01:11:12):
Well, here's what's here's here's why I should never be
allowed on any any medium to talk about the Raiders
because they've given up forty or more points in two
of their last four games. They were hapless against the Chargers.
Should have beat the Bears. But here I am sitting
here on the Friday night into Saturday morning before I

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shut down with the Titans, and I'm like, you know what,
they beat the Titans, then the Chiefs haven't looked all
that good. Maybe Miss Crosby can frustrated, you know, then
all of a sudden, you're You're three and four is
just what I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I was out, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:11:46):
And that's the thing. And it's funny because I was.
I was trying to watch highlights. What sucks even more
about the Colts game is that they forced a three
and out on the first drive. Adam three shut him?
Oh false, you know what. It's just so enraging right now.
And the fact that Daniel Jones they were trying to

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get him last year and I was so mad about it,
and now after what he did to them, it's it's
it's it's it's down.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
And then this week you got your Mane Pratt getting cut.

Speaker 9 (01:12:17):
That's the second big defensive player in a month after
Christian Wilkins, who, by the way, oddly enough, when Christian
Wilkins got cut, you know where he ended up, right,
he was here and he was in Norman.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
He was like, gott a, I went to us.

Speaker 9 (01:12:28):
Yeah, I went to like a Booster event and I'm
just kind of walking around and there's Christian Wilkins and
I'm like, is that Christian Wilkins?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
And I wanted to walk up to and go, dude,
what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Man?

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
With what's why are you not there? It's like twenty
thirty forty million dollars.

Speaker 9 (01:12:42):
But Adam, it's a very k fig you know, trust me,
it's a very frustrating time right now.

Speaker 5 (01:12:47):
Well that's why I brought it up. I wanted to
make sure Kevin say.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
I don't get too hot.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
Chris and I would have therapy sessions together on fox
Worth Radio over the Raiders over the last couple of years.
Trust me, we might need another way. They're telling you.
The Great Chris Blank carries the show with Arnie Spaniel
on Siteday nights here on Fox Bolls eight pm to
eleven pm Pacific time. Of course, Sidelines for the Oklahoma
Sooners Radio Network as they get set for their big
rivalry matchup against Texas coming up later today. Chris, this

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was fun, man, Thanks so much. We appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Hey, anytime, man, anytime.

Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
I like how You're like, it's Chris Plank and Arnie Spaniard,
just like ex Oklahoma versus tax I'm not getting that
one twisted. That's for damn sure.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Make sure we never forget it is Chris Plank and
Arnie span You're not the other way around.

Speaker 4 (01:13:29):
Until we get Arnie on. Then it's Arnie Spaniard and
Chris playing. Absolutely, but that was fun having him on.
Of course he was in this time slot for a while.
It's an honor to get to carry on the tradition,
the legacy that he built here on Friday nights since
Saturday mornings.

Speaker 5 (01:13:45):
No doubt, no doubt whatsoever. This is fn A on FSR.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
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quick minute. On the other side, we will get back
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Speaker 5 (01:14:33):
Adam still got five more categories left in our NFL
six pack. Mark what's next here?

Speaker 6 (01:14:39):
Trap game tap?

Speaker 5 (01:14:41):
All right, Kevin, you want to get things started here
with your trap game?

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Yes, my trap game tap. Let's see if I can
pull it up here a little bit. How about you
go go there first? There, Adam, I'm got a little issue,
a computer issue here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:54):
You know where I'm going My trap game. Trap is
from my panthers, not necessarily these ones, but perhaps the
panthers of yesteryear, who always seemed to find a way
to beat Dallas. Now, you may say, Adam, the Cowboys
have won three in a row against Carolina. They're twelve
and five, overall head to head against them, true, but

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my Panthers have a couple of epic wins against them
when it mattered, most like in the divisional round back
in nineteen ninety seven when the Cowboys were trying to
repeat his Super Bowl champions but they had to go
to Ericson Stadium and Troy Aikman looked like he wanted
a phone a friend as he threw three picks against
my favorite Panthers defense as the late great Sam Mills

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sealed the game with an interception, given my Panthers their
first ever playoff win. And guess what their second playoff
win also came against Dallas seven years later.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
That was I believe that might have been Bill Parcells's Cowboys, right,
you want Carter at the quarterback position?

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
You knew it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Quarter Is that also the same year that the Carolina
Panthers went.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
To the Super Bowl, Yes, that would be correct.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
They beat the Cowboys in the Wildcart round, They beat
the Saint Louis Rams in overtime on a walk off
touchdown catch by your guy Steve Smith, and then they
went into Philadelphia and put a whoopin on the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
Ooh, you're hot with it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
Ricky Manning junior, former UCLA great, I think had three
interceptions in that game.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
Adam, Now, now.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Don't forget the part where they got screwed by spygate
and the Patriots, we've both been screwed.

Speaker 5 (01:16:26):
Did they get screwed by spy Gator?

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Did John Casey kick the ball out of bounds and
give the Patriots a short field so they can kick
a game winning field goal in the final second?

Speaker 5 (01:16:33):
Was spargate?

Speaker 4 (01:16:34):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Say it was spargate?

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
Like half of the Panthers defensive line on steroids too,
and the punter.

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
You know what, We don't need to reminisce about all stuff.
Just know this.

Speaker 4 (01:16:44):
Technically, yes, the Cowboys are twelve and five against the Panthers,
but we own them total ownership in the playoffs. So
I would not be surprised if these Panthers, as bad
as they have looked at times, find a way to
win another game at home. They're two to zero at
Bank of America Stadium this year. That's saying you can
bank on this win. But I am saying it could
be a tap game trap. Can't wait to see which

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owner either gives the finger to the fans or throws
a drink on them in this game. What do you
got here, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Good pool. I'm gonna go with the Colts at home
against the Cardinals. I know you weren't the biggest fan
of the Cardinals. You talked about him a little bit
earlier in this hour, But and Daniel Jones has played
extremely well, as have the Colts as a whole. But
all that being said, I do think they could be
on a potential upset alert. Now, if you watch the
Cardinals at all this season, as bad as they are,
they've been in pretty much every game. It's the Seattle

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game on that Thursday night, the San Francisco game. Both
losses happened in walk off fashion with a walkoff field goal.

Speaker 5 (01:17:42):
I think it is the first time in NFL history
a team has lost three straight games off walkoff field
goals against them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah, and so look, we do know in the NFL,
like the line between a bad team and a great team,
it's a large chasm. But the line between a bad
team and an average team, we're talking about the difference
of a couple of plays during a season. I mean,
four wins and eight wins is really not that big
of a difference. A lot of times if the Cardinals
just have a couple of things break their way, if

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they don't just Keystone Cop their way to a loss
last week. And if you don't know who the Keystone
Cops are, look it up, people. It's before my time too,
all right, no history anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:18:18):
Back in my time, drinking wise, I knew who the
Keystone Cops were.

Speaker 5 (01:18:23):
They had the big mouth can on Keystone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
So I think the Cardinals have the potential to catch
the Colts with their guard down, especially if Kyler Murray
doesn't end up playing this Weekendjacoby Pressett far from a
world beater, obviously, but he's a fairly capable backup and
obviously much taller at the very least, can stand tall
in that pocket and make plays down the field that
sometimes Kyler can't. So I know the margin of the

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victory in the NFL is fairly slim at times, and
the gap between a good team and a bad team
is fairly wide. Like I mentioned a minute ago, I
do think the Cardinals are more towards of an average
team than a bad team, and I think it's shown
itself that way throughout the way the season is played out,
being competitive with teams like Seattle and San Francisco who
are fighting for a playoff spots at this early part.

Speaker 5 (01:19:06):
Of the season. So do I think that the Cardinals
will beat the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Probably not, but I do think it's one to watch
out for for sure, and it would not surprise me
in the least bit if the Cardinals found a way
to upset the Colts and knock them off the top here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Their defense has been very competitive so far. They've been
underrated in that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Area under Jonathan Gannon's tenure, over the three years he's
been there, they've been a really good defense.

Speaker 4 (01:19:31):
And they just had one of the most epic collapses,
like a once in a bi centennial type of collapse,
like you rarely ever see a team who was about
to go up what like twenty eight to three, yes
Tornado to thrumble the ball at the one inch line
like the game's over. So I do feel for them
a little bit in that way, and they probably are

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on the comeback trail now. They at least lit a
fire underneath them, or Jonathan Gannon certainly lit a fire
under his team in the locker room afterwards.

Speaker 2 (01:20:00):
Yah, will you also make your own breaks to a
certain degree too, when it comes to that, and that's
part book. Bad teams don't know how to finish. That's
the issues we talked about the margin of victory being
very slim. The good teams find a way to actually
make things happen when it matters most in crunch time,
and the bad teams are the ones who aren't able
to finish.

Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
Coming up, we got our beer goggles games. Still, we
got a lot to get to. We still have four
more categories. Oh Troy Potential, my favorite category is still
coming up here. We also have your college football Forecast
where repreview games coming up in mere hours from now.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Got a lot to look forward to here coming up,
a lot to do and not a lot of time
to do it. One hour remaining on the FN a
takeover of FSR.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Right the final hour of Fox Football Saturday with me
Kevin Figures and he Adam also an at K. Fig
One is where you can find me on X. You
can find Adam on X as well. Coming up this hour,
we'll have two on to off. We'll also talk a
little bit of college football and get back into the
NFL six pack. You know, before we get to the
NFL six back, just really quickly on baseball, your Steve
Desager's update, talking about the Major League Baseball postseason. We

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had that epic finish in Seattle on Friday night?

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Are you sleepless in Seattle?

Speaker 3 (01:21:12):
Do you bit?

Speaker 6 (01:21:13):
You?

Speaker 5 (01:21:13):
Will you remember that game the rest of your life?

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Honestly? I might?

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
That's what no.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
I love an extra innings nail bider like that, and
we had never seen anything like that in the postseason
because it went fifteen innings.

Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
But the pitching display that was put on incredible, superb. Yeah,
I mean that game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
Do you at the the game four of the Dodgers
in Phillies the other night, which is also spectacular pitching.
But I want to get your take on this and
we'll get back into the six pack because I said
at the time, this is not, you know, a Monday
morning quarterbacking, but or second guessing. When they took Trek
school Ball out after six innings and ninety eight pitches,
I believe he threw. I said, why are you taking

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this guy out? Leave him in?

Speaker 5 (01:21:53):
It's the postseason. This is why you have an ace.
His arm falls off at ninety nine pitches. That's how
it works exactly. He's like, yeah, is there like a line?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
So once you get to one hundred and one pitches,
this is the officially the time that you need to
be taken out of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Instant, Tommy John. They perform it on the mound. Actually,
if he throws in his ninety nine, y it is.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
It just infuriates me to the mf degree that a
guy hits the magic number of ninety nine or one
hundred and all of a sudden we have to take
him out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
If a guy is rolling like that, leave him in
the game.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
I thought the glass now decision the other night by
the Dodgers, which did not come back to haunt them.

Speaker 5 (01:22:25):
They won the game anyways, eighty three.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
I think he was at eighty three now. Dave Roberts
say that a playoff game he's ever had. He said
he was cramping, Oh real, He said he was cramping
up in the fifth inning, and they send him back
out there in the sixth inning after he had been
cramping up when he battled through that, and they didn't
want to run him back out there because he said
he was cramping fair enough, because I did also in
my mind, I said the exact same thing considering how
the bat the Dodgers' bullpen has been. If you have

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a starter that'said eighty three pitches through six innings, why
the hell would you not leave him in there?

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
God send for them.

Speaker 2 (01:22:53):
Yeah, but so that's why I just want I wasn't
sure about your thoughts on that, but it just frustrates
me to no end when you finally get to the
poet season and a guy which is the magic number
of ninety or one hundred pitches trek Skouball's last pitch,
which was a strikeout swinging, was one hundred and one
miles an hour, and.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
They ended up beating him twice in this series, actually,
which is crazy. I well, he had the lead when
he went out. I think it was two to one,
so me so.

Speaker 4 (01:23:17):
He didn't get hung with the loss. But both the
games that he started correct Seattle ended up winning.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Yeah, if you leave him in there, maybe, look, may
he doesn't go nine probably with that many pitches, but
staves off. I think the rally happened that very next inning.

Speaker 5 (01:23:29):
Now, they couldn't have anticipated that they were going to
go fifteen innings and burn through all the pitchers that
they did, but that was honestly one of those games
where no one deserved to lose. It's true.

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
I felt like, you know, there's no crying in baseball,
but if you lose that game, like the Tigers are
gonna remember that forever, the tears keep flowing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:49):
Well, there's just so many big plays.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
I mean, how many times were the bases loaded or
were guys on second and third with one out?

Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Oh they got guys like yeah, no outs. I don't
know how they got out of some of those jams.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Incredible, so incredible pitching performance by both teams. Obviously feel
bad for the Detroit Tigers, but now we have a
Seattle in Toronto are very improbable. I would say, coming
into the season al Championship Series matchup.

Speaker 5 (01:24:11):
Detroit fans are really joyful that we were able to
fit in a little bit of baseball to make sure
we poured a little bit of salt into that one.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Whoever thought we say this, at least you got a
football team out there in Detroit that's playing pretty decently.

Speaker 4 (01:24:23):
Ry All right, Mark, let's get back into it. We
got four more categories left in our NFL six packs, starting.

Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
With this beer goggles Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
Yes see ugly matchup that might actually turn out to
be someone entertaining this weekend, and I'm going to go
with the Titans taking on my Raiders. Titans get the
monkey off their back last week after some aid from Arizona,
which we talked about a little bit last hour. Now
they had to Las Vegas where the Raiders pirate ship
is steadily sinking. Steadily Actually, if you know what, it's
been perpetually sunk for the last forty years. Basically you

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have to go like send an excavation and an excavator like
the Titanic to try to bring that thing.

Speaker 5 (01:24:58):
From out of the bottom of the ocean.

Speaker 4 (01:25:00):
Oh, it's been shot up like Sonny and Godfather, like
with cannon balls.

Speaker 3 (01:25:04):
That thing.

Speaker 5 (01:25:05):
There's so many holes in that shit.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
I will say for all the people wondering, by the way,
if Geno Smith is gonna get benched for Kenny Pickett
or something not happening.

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
No, he's Pete Carroll's guy.

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
He makes way too much money and he's still the
best option that they have, so he's not going anyow it.
This issue the Raiders are running into is the same
issues Seattle ran into when Gino Smith started to struggle
it's because they couldn't run the ball and they didn't
give him enough help.

Speaker 5 (01:25:30):
One thing he used to say all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
When we were critical of the late great Kobe Bryant
is sometimes when the Lakers were the most successful was
less was more.

Speaker 5 (01:25:37):
Yeah, when Kobe was less of.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
A trying to be a scorer and was more of
a team player, the team actually performed better. When you
lean on Geno Less, he's actually a better performer. You
want him throwing the ball I'd say between twenty five
and thirty times a game, not thirty five and forty,
because all of a sudden, that's when those warts start
popping up.

Speaker 4 (01:25:54):
Maybe that's the guy who should be on the pitch
count or the throwing count, since we were just talking
about that.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
No more than yes, he is an above average quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
But he's one of those guys who, even when things
are going well, he's prone to have like i'd say,
three to five games a year where he turns the
ball over and he's inaccurate and he's a little cold.
That's just in his DNA. The problem is that gets
exacerbated when he's not able to get a running game.
And Pete Carroll actually called out. I would even say
that it was like, you know, a passive aggressive. It

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was fairly explicitly, even though he didn't say chip Kelly's name.
He's basically we need to run the ball more and
help Gino. That's gonna help him with all of his issues.
We need to make sure that we put an emphasis
on running the ball more. As clearly a message to
Chip Kelly to hand the ball off to the guy
that you use the top six pick on in the
draft and has shown flashes and has played well these
last couple of weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:26:43):
Yes, when he's gotten the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Now, with all that out of the way, I do
think this is a game where Gino and the Raider
offense can actually play well. Even with brock Bauers being
out with that knee injury, which by the way, he
should have been out for the last three weeks. The
guy's been playing at like forty percent as a decoy. Yeah,
you gotta think long term with the young guy like that.
You're worse for the wear by throwing them out there.
But anyway, it's desperation mode for the Raiders. They can

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see their season slipping away. I think they respond and
play better offensively than they had the last couple of weeks.
I know Max Crosby's an excellent player, but I like
cam Ward a little more the more and more that
I see him. Give him a little bit more time
against that Raider secondary. I think some points can be
scored here. So I know it looks like a pretty
much of a dud matchup between two teams aren't going anywhere,
but I do think the game itself can actually end

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up being fairly entertaining.

Speaker 5 (01:27:29):
All right, this is also my beer goggles.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Game, The Old Man Comes Home Drunk.

Speaker 5 (01:27:34):
You may see two teams with a combined record of
two and eight as some type of toilet bowl, especially
when one of the starting quarterbacks has already called their
team ass.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:27:45):
You might say both these teams are two cheeks of
the same ass. You might say that the Titans and
Raiders deserve each other. It feels like a pretty even
matchup of ineptitude right now, which could make for an
entertaining contest. At least That's what I'm seeing with my
beer goggles on. Hey, I don't see the Titans, you know,

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them getting that win last week as being that lucky.
I mean, come on, just because Brian Callahan, their head coach, postgames,
said quote in the locker room, sometimes some s has
got to go your way, Like you know, a guy
willfully fumbling the ball away at the goal line, or
the other team intercepting your quarterback fumbling and you somehow

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getting a touchdown out of it. Totally normal stuff that
happens once a century.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
No big deal. The fact that you need that to
help you win a game, I mean, yeah, says a lot.
At least he almost owned it afterwards. But the lone
Raiders win came all the way back in Week one
over the Pats on the road. That actually feels more
fluky than any of those Titans lucky breaks that they
got this past weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Now, so no, wait, the Raiders beat the Patriots, and
the Patriots beat the Bill, So the Raiders are better
than the Bills, meaning they're the best team in the AFC.
That's how that.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
Works, right, I don't know if that's how that works. No, No,
that man, thousand percent how it works at them.

Speaker 4 (01:29:08):
Well, look, I'm working with this as a beer goggles
game because I actually think these teams might mix it up, styles,
make fights, and it's going to turn out to be
a fun competitive game somehow.

Speaker 5 (01:29:20):
All right, I like it?

Speaker 2 (01:29:21):
All right?

Speaker 5 (01:29:21):
What's the next Mark?

Speaker 10 (01:29:23):
Oh my god, Oh my god, oh Try, I'm so.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
Sorry, oh Troy. Epic fail potential. That is our next category.
And now, speaking of the Buffalo Bills, I'm going with
the Buffalo Bills against the Atlanta Falcons. Interesting last week,
I said that the Patriots game on Sunday night was
a trap game and that the Bills needed to watch
out for because sometimes, and sometimes look to my credit,

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sometimes the blind squirrel finds that I actually think that
the Patriots were going to defeat the Bills.

Speaker 5 (01:30:06):
No, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
I said it was a trap game potentially, but I
thought the Bills would actually end up winning the game. Now,
with that being said, I know Buffalos four to one,
and yes, most games in the NFL are determined by
a small margin, like we discussed a little bit earlier,
But I do think there's a little bit of costs
for concern for this team other than that game against
the Jets in Week two, and that team looks like
a total disaster right now. By the way, they really

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have not performed as well as you would think based
on the expectations of the Buffalo Bills coming into the season.
Saints and Dolphins both right there with them in the
fourth quarter, and they needed an epic comeback against Baltimore,
a Baltimore team that doesn't even look that great, by
the way, all the way back in Week one. So
there's nothing glaringly wrong with the Bills statistically when you
look at them, they just don't seem to be dominating

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the way that many people expected that they would considering
their easy schedule. And by the way, I can acknowledge
the fact that a sense of malays can set in
where you're a team that has been six as they
have been over the past six seven years. Granted they
haven't won a Super Bowl, but they've been to a
handful of conference championship games, and knowing you have an
easy schedule, sometimes you can take your foot off the
gas a little bit and maybe be a little bit

(01:31:11):
bored with the regular season. Yeah, so I can understand
that part of it. At any rate, I do think
there's potential for the Bills to lose their second string
gait here their second straight game. You're on the road
on a Monday night, where the Falcons are a four
and a half point underdog at last check they well
at home they do, and home dogs in a Monday
night we know generally perform well when it comes to
the point spread. So I think the Falcons see this

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game as a litmus test on a national stage to
show that they are a team to be taken seriously
in the NFC, and a great way to do that
will be to defeat the team that as of right
now has the best odds the shortest odds to win
the Super Bowl, in the Buffalo Bills. The Bills are
second in the league in rushing, and kudos to them
forgetting Josh Allen some help on that front. You asked
for it, I did, because that's what he's needed. But

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Atlanta's nipping at their heels when it comes to that
nose that side of the ball. With Bijon Robinson one
of the most dynamic players in the entire NFL. The
Bills have been banged up on defense these last couple
of weeks, and I think Robinson has a big game
against that Buffalo defense and Atlanta has a great play
for an upset here on Monday night.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
Interesting call. I like it, my old Troy potential fail.

Speaker 10 (01:32:15):
Oh Troy, I'm so sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:32:20):
I can see some old Troy potential for both of
these teams in Miami this week. I can see the
Chargers getting back on track in a big way and
doing so at the expense of the Dolphins, who are
miserable and just lost to Bryce Young and the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
I mean, come on, well, they have dana seventeen point lead,
didn't they went they up to seventeen nothing in that game.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
They were Bryce Young also through an errant pass that
was so far out of bounds that hit a cameraman
and it was low enough. He was also kneeling like
he was probably praying that that ball wasn't gonna hit him.
But unfortunately Bryce Young is just so talented that he
finds a way. Now, what if the Chargers lose to

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that same Dolphins team that the Panthers just beat.

Speaker 5 (01:33:01):
That's an o Troy.

Speaker 4 (01:33:02):
But I could also see a scenario where the Chargers
rise above the injuries going on and say We're not
gonna let the war of attrition take us down like
it usually does before they take themselves down in an
epic playoff collapse.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
Every year.

Speaker 4 (01:33:15):
They treat the Dolphins, or they should treat them like
the one in four team they are. The Chargers cannot
afford to lose another game because Kevin Chargers, well that
prediction he had for them winning the AFC West. It's
starting to look like the Broncos are back in it.
The Chiefs as well. It looked like for a while
was the Chargers to lose because they started off three

(01:33:37):
to zero against the division. But it's backup for grabs
except for the Raiders. The grab is the number one
pitcher sports Radio. I give the Chargers, you know, the
opportunity to blow out the Dolphins, or maybe they have
a close defeat at the hands of the Dolphins.

Speaker 5 (01:33:57):
I could see that too.

Speaker 4 (01:33:58):
Either way, it's going to be an Oa Troy up
fail I think for somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
I absolutely agree with that. And by the way, my
charge of prediction, yes, I made that prediction after Rashaun
Slater got hurt.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
But once Joe Alt and Amario and Hampton both went down,
y'all stick with it. Not to Mitch Khalil Mack is
that all?

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
I feel like I get at least a little bit
of some sort of mulligan or something on that.

Speaker 5 (01:34:16):
I mean, geez, who's the next running back that sees
the Grimory Gunnings for his ankles right now with.

Speaker 2 (01:34:22):
The Chargers, Nytron means still still got some eligibility left.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
Can he come back and play? Love nay Tron loved
him as a Jaguars, right Mark, What.

Speaker 2 (01:34:29):
Do we have next under the microscope? Yes, the game
team player. Everyone should watch closely this weekend, and I'm
going to Dillian Gabriel and that Brown's offense against the
Pittsburgh Steelers. All things considered, I think he had a
pretty solid debut rookie quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
A lot of people didn't necessarily want to see out there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
They wanted to see a certain Scout Team quarterback start
in front of him.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
The hate watching going on with Tylan Gabriel is wrong.
Congratulations to shed Or Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
He is now officially the backup, no longer the Scout
Team quarterback, so could graduate to you.

Speaker 5 (01:35:00):
Young man for gradually they made that move.

Speaker 2 (01:35:02):
Yeah, But playing overseas in his first NFL game against
one of the best defenses in the league, I think
the deck was kind of stacked against Dylan Gabriel, and
all things considered, he played pretty damn well and put
them in a position to be able to win that
game until Carson Wentz let that game winning drive at
the end, he threw fro under two hundred yards only
five point eight yards per throw, but a couple of
touchdowns and most importantly didn't turn the ball over. So

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now the questions becomes, what do you do for an encore?
Now you return back to the States, you have to
face a division rival in the Pittsburgh Steelers on the
road coming off of a bye. So I don't know
if you can call it a respite when you're facing
the likes of TJ. Watt and Patrick Queen and that defense,
but that defense has not been as good as its
reputation would bill it.

Speaker 5 (01:35:43):
That's what's the eighth in the league in total defense
right now.

Speaker 4 (01:35:45):
I still feel like because the Steelers in three are
three and one and their defense hasn't played that well.
The running game hasn't been that good. Those are two staples.
That's what they do, that's what they hang their hat on.
If those two things come around, then all of.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
A sudden they could look scared, absolutely absolutely, But as
of right now they haven't. Now, I know they've had injuries,
high Smith and Porter Junior are both supposed to be
back this week, so that'll obviously give them a little
bit of a boost. But I do think for the Browns,
the emergence of Queen John Jukins not necessarily a fan
of the person, but the player, very good impact player
on the field for them, love the artists gives them exactly,

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has given them a huge boost. And they've got a
lot of good young guys in there. They have that
rookie tied end that they've thrown the in there who's
played extremely well for them as well. So I want
to see how Dylan Gabriel plays this weekend in the
Steel City. I know they have tape on him now
and it's all about adjustments and how they adjust to you.

Speaker 3 (01:36:37):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
But I'll say I like.

Speaker 5 (01:36:39):
What Cleveland is doing in general, getting these young guys.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
Harold Fan and that's his name, Isaiah Bond, who would
have been an early draft pick but got undrafted and
they signed him as a free agent, can make an
impact for the impact for them as well. I still
think that Dylan Gabriel is best suited to be a backup.
I don't think he's going to be the back the
Browns quarterback of the future. But I also set the
same thing about brock party with the San Francisco forty nine.
Is the able to see what happened with him once
he got his opportunity to start.

Speaker 4 (01:37:02):
Yeah, but when you say that about Cleveland Brown quarterback,
you're in a real good company. Like the odds are,
they ain't gonna be around for long.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
This is true.

Speaker 5 (01:37:12):
This is true.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
So I do want to see what this kid does
in his second NFL start in a pretty hostile environment,
and I'm actually kind of encouraged.

Speaker 5 (01:37:19):
I think he's going to have a pretty good outing
against Pittsburgh.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
All right, under the microscope game, I need to see
my Super Bowl champion Green Bay Packers look better in
all facets. After a forty to forty tie against the Cowboys,
and before that, I lost to the Browns, they got
a week off. They're playing a team as weak as
any we've seen so far this season, and the now

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two and three Bengals, who are bungling.

Speaker 5 (01:37:46):
They have lost three in a row.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
It's a good team, sure, but they are getting destroyed.
They made the quarterback move after being down twenty eight
to three early on in that game to the Lions.
The final score was not indicative of how badly they
they were getting beaten up at home by Detroit. Last week,
I mentioned the Bengals fans won Jamis Winston, Well, he's

(01:38:09):
not gonna save them now. I don't know if Joe
Flacco is gonna be that guy either, but regardless, I
just need to see Micah Parsons, the one hundred and
eighty eight million.

Speaker 5 (01:38:20):
Dollar man, earn his money.

Speaker 4 (01:38:23):
I mean, at least two sacks for my Super Bowl
champion Packers against the Bengals.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
I need complete domination.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
I need those Tigers to change their stripes to els
on the Bengals uniforms by halftime. I want the Packers
to prove to me they are still a contender, because
I just saw the Lions do it to Cincy. So
they had a bye week off. They're sitting there at
home in Green Bay waiting for the Bengals. They should
be waving goodbye to them midway through the second quarter.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
You should be able to eat against lesser competition, and
that is exactly what the Cincinnati Bengals are. So that's
a good under the microscope. I'll be watching closely for
that too, because they're really determined. I won't determine whether
or not they won the Super Bowl, obviously, but if
you're talking about the pecking order and the power rankings
of the NFC and where you stack up, this is
a team you should have make some really good hay against.

Speaker 5 (01:39:08):
We got one more category here before we get out,
mark redemption round.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Yes, the team a player looking to bounce back from
last week. I'm going to go back to that Chargers
Miami game. I think this is a redemption round week four.
I almost call them the San Diego Chargers. Well, I'll
always be the San Diego Chargers to me. Why great
Jersey's great song? Like you mentioned, so why they hell
not great? But you mentioned they started phenomenal city, started
three and oh they were might pick to win the
AFC West. And then all of a sudden, like the

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Chargers typically do, was not their fault. All the injuries
start to cascade on them. They're lost their two starting
offensive tackles and their backup offensive tackle are all out
Amari and Hampton. Their number one pick our running back
is now out as well. They're running out. There's no where,
there's no room, there's no there's no there's no more
room in the ambulance. They used to run out. What
was it on Madden that would actually hit the players.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Ran right over guys over healthy weren't after that?

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
No, it's ridiculous. So even as the Chargers being as
banged up as they are, I think the Miami Dolphins
are a dumpster fire at this point, evidence by the
fact that they blew a seventeen to nothing lead to
Adam's Terrible Panthers last week.

Speaker 5 (01:40:12):
Yeah, that's fair. I mean that's awful.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
So I do think the Chargers have to win a
game like this. Despite all their injuries. You still have
Justin Herbert, who's supposed to be one of the great
young quarterbacks, one of the faces of the league, who's
supposed to take a leap this season. I know he's
running for his life, but you know what, Patrick Mahomes
has run for his life the last couple of years too,
and he's found ways to win. So my redemption round
goes to the Chargers and it must win game in Miami.

Speaker 5 (01:40:35):
All right in my redemption round. Can't believe I'm doing this.

Speaker 4 (01:40:39):
Lightning may not strike twice, but Spencer Rattler does and
I showed him some love last week. Thought he would
get his first win after starting zero to ten as
a starter. He did against Jackson Dart and the Giants,
who then got a big win themselves. But even though
Spencer Rattler tried an illegal double forward pass at one point,

(01:41:00):
I don't know if you saw that, passed it forward,
got knocked back to him behind the line of scrimmage,
tried it again, think it went out of bounds. They
didn't throw a flag, but still he became the first
drafted Saints quarterback bree to get a win for them
since nineteen ninety eight. I could ask you who that

(01:41:21):
quarterback was, but you didn't jump on until Drew Brees
was under center.

Speaker 5 (01:41:25):
I think so, do you want to guess who that
quarterback was? Burry Quiz, drafted.

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Quarterback by the Saints, the last one to actually get
a win.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
It starts like Wayne Something, Wayne's World, Danny warffet Waffel,
Darny war Warfle and a warfol Yes, yes, we're.

Speaker 1 (01:41:41):
For a world.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
So with Spencer Ratler getting a win after starting zher
to ten, that means that Shaun Kaiser's record of being
oh to fifteen as a starter is safe. He never
got a win in the NFL. That is DiMaggio's hit streak.
You will never touch that round.

Speaker 2 (01:41:55):
I would un retire and try to sign with a
great team and just take like the first snap of
the game. I'm sure teams are lining up, yeah, just
so I can, you know, just so I can get
the win. Cause somebody have extend that charity to the
Shawn Kaiser so he doesn't have that distinction.

Speaker 5 (01:42:08):
The human victory cigar. Now, I'm not saying the Saints
for sure went at home against the Patriots, who are
on the rise themselves after that big winning Buffalo you mentioned,
But I am saying that they can be competitive, and
Rattler does look like an NFL quarterback. Drake May even
went through his own early season struggles and got it
together with apologies to Lane Kiffin. Why not the part

(01:42:29):
rat par Snake, Spencer Rattler getting it together getting it
together this week, Like I could see it happening where
they're competitive and that's a fun game. Actually breathe competitive
or they're gonna win. They're gonna win, they're gonna cover.
Don't get greedy. All right, more on that coming up
and two on two off. But up next, Kevin, up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
Next, we got to talk some college football. Some of
the big matchups coming up this weekend. We have the
red River Shootout among a couple of others, so we'll
do that coming up next year on Fox Football Saturday
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Speaker 5 (01:43:18):
Oh, Figures and Adam, I get it. That's a classic.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:31):
Talking about the red River rivalry, I could say, well,
slowly there, Adam.

Speaker 5 (01:43:35):
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Speaker 4 (01:43:58):
Before that, we still got two on two off with
our NFL picks, but we got to get to and
we're coming up with production for this because we're doing
it every week as we should. We're calling it the
College Football Forecast.

Speaker 5 (01:44:14):
Oh listen to that there we go. Okay, Yeah, that drum,
the drum that tells you that's a band. This is
college football. Yeah, this is an NFL music. No, this
is is.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Yeah, college football on Fox Big Noon and that crew
Big Nude kickoff that's right, featuring Ohio State in Illinois,
which I don't think is going to be much of
a game.

Speaker 5 (01:44:33):
Tell me about it, Kevin, Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:44:36):
Ohio State has been fairly I mean dominant, is strong,
but they they look like and by the way, you
have a young quarterback back there without a lot of
experience who's growing into the role.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
But they just have so much talent on that roster.
He's completing eighty percent of his passes.

Speaker 2 (01:44:49):
Al Granted, he's not throwing the ball eighty rs down
the field, but you don't need to.

Speaker 5 (01:44:53):
They should you dink and dunk.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (01:44:55):
That's all Julian saying is doing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:57):
First of all, that's not all he's doing. He's doing
a lot of it. But it's okay. Whatever it takes
to win doesn't bother me. And you're going up against
an Illinois team. Obviously they had they had the comeback
victory in overtime against you, as see. I think they're
still smarting from that Indiana loss. I just don't think
they have the horses to be able to keep up.
From a skill position standpoint with Ohio State, I think
they can score some points in Ohio State's defense has

(01:45:20):
been dominant this year.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
Is it the best in the country. They've given up
two touchdowns? Yes, like that's crazy. Answer your question. They
are absolutely the best. Teams are averaging five points against them. Yeah,
so as good as Illinois's offense is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:32):
And I do like Luke Altmeyer and I think they're
gonna be able to score a little bit on the
I just don't think they're gonna be able to keep up.
On the flip side, Illinois defense has not been very good,
especially against top competition this year. So I think Ohio
State runs the ball up and down the field on them. Offensively,
I can easily see this being like a forty five
to twenty one type of game.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
Something like that.

Speaker 4 (01:45:51):
Let's get to a game that could be more competitive
between two top ten teams. One of these teams is
in the top five. That would be the number three
Oregon Ducks, who are hosting Indiana at Austin. I think
this is a game where the Ducks are favored by
seven and a half, but I don't know. They might

(01:46:12):
show just how talented they are. I wouldn't be surprised.
Kevin at home. They are forty one and one their
last forty two home games.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
You know the last Big ten team that Oregon lost
a home game two.

Speaker 5 (01:46:24):
That's Big ten team they lost a home game two.
I know this, and I should know this. Oh at
Michigan State.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
No, No, was it Indiana, son of a bit?

Speaker 2 (01:46:37):
It was Indiana.

Speaker 5 (01:46:38):
I feel like you tricked me.

Speaker 2 (01:46:40):
It was Indiana back in the early two thousands, in
another game, by the way, similar to this game is
gonna look nice?

Speaker 5 (01:46:46):
Hey, Mark, I played the dumbass sound? Was that not
good enough?

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Rainy conditions? I think Kellen Clemens was the starting quarterback
for them back then. Okay, don't they turned the ball
over like seven times or something in Indiana, who was
an also rand in the Big Ten, and granted they
have been for the majority of their existence the last
fifty years or whatever it's been. Now you have rainy
inclement weather and that's what cost Oregon back in that game.
It's going to be rainy inclement weather out at Alton

(01:47:11):
Stadium this weekend as well.

Speaker 5 (01:47:13):
Plus with all the smoke there, you have that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
This is one of those games that I think is
going to be one and dominated in the trenches and
both teams that are really good upfront on both sides.
But I do think Oregon is a little bit better
than Indiana when it comes to that.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
They won the battle in the trenches against Penn State,
which looked like a much better win before Penn State
s the bed against UCLA last week.

Speaker 2 (01:47:34):
H as an Ald timer, Yeah, which I mean, I
think we all got that one wrong. I said, I said,
don't even watch the game, don't pay attention to the game.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
It doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (01:47:40):
Remember, we looked at the line. It was like Penn
State minus twenty four and a half twenty four, and
I said that's way too low.

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
Yeah, everybody felt like that hammer it very someone new.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
I do think it was a very cool moment to
see Rick Neuheisel, the father of Jerry Newheiseel, who was
the offensive coordinator who just got promoted to the offensive
coordinator position on Tuesday of last week, and all of
a sudden, that entire offense flips on its head and
runs up and down the field on what was supposed
to be a great Penn State defense. And there's the
shot of UCLA winning the game and Rick new Heidel

(01:48:12):
in studio at CBS cheering on his son at his
alma mater.

Speaker 5 (01:48:16):
For him to get the victory. That was a pretty
cool moment to see. You know, I'm going to come
clean on this right almost Well.

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Also the parallel between Jerry Neuheisel being lifted and carried
off the field when they upset Texas back in the day, when.

Speaker 2 (01:48:33):
He here's a quartering back at UCLA it was a
backup and had to come into that game off the
bench and get the victory.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
For sure, that was special and well, but he needed
that more than UCLA.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
So I do think Indiana is a very good team
and I think the game will be very competitive. They're
not a pushover whatsoever. I do give the edge to
Oregon in this one. I think they're just a little
bit more talented, and I'll no, actually, I say they're
a little bit more physical and a lot more talented
at the skill positions the Indiana, and I think that's
gonna end up being the difference. But Indiana, if you
lose to Oregon on the road, nobody's gonna hold that

(01:49:02):
against you. They still have a stake to the claim
of making it to the Big Ten Championship game and
certainly making it to the playoff as an at large.

Speaker 4 (01:49:09):
Yeah, you can have a moral victory losing to Oregon.
I think they're that good and I think their defensive
line could be the difference in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:49:16):
Speaking of moral victories, I thought this was very interesting.
I'm listening to Two Pros and a Cup of Joe
earlier this week, and Brady Quinn brought up something interesting
talking about the Red River shootout.

Speaker 5 (01:49:25):
What I don't know of this Red River shootout? Red
River rivalry?

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
Ooo?

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
That one you know about? That one that was smooth?

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
Kevin? Oh, thank you? So he says, do you lose
the battle to potentially win the war? When it comes
to Jommetier and his hand injury, because you know, the
committee is not going to hold it against you if
you're Oklahoma and you lose the Red River rivalry game
to Texas if Jommeteer doesn't play right. So if he
doesn't play and he comes back and they rattle off
a bunch of victories and they're on the bubble when

(01:49:54):
it comes to being in that large team in the playoff,
they're not gonna look at it. Even if Texas sans
up having a bad year and they peter out and
it's all bad for Arch Manning and Steve Sharkegian. Sure
they're gonna say, you lost a rivalry game, but you
didn't have your best player. We're not gonna hold that
loss against you.

Speaker 4 (01:50:08):
It's like so reverse of what happened with Florida State
a couple of years ago. Yes, when they lost Jordan
Travis and they realized they're not the same team. Now,
in this case, Matti would be coming back and they'd
be playing better late in the year, so the losses
they had without him wouldn't count against them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
So what they would you Oklahoma actually be better off
sitting him in this game, risking the fact that they
might lose to Texas, but also knowing that he gets
another week to heal and he can be better for
them down the stretch and help them finish the season
with one or maybe even two losses and increase their
playoff rankings. As opposed to putting him in this game
this afternoon, he ends up getting hurt for longer, and

(01:50:45):
you lose the game and you potentially find yourself out
of the race because you lost your best player for
the season. It was a very intriguing notion that I
hadn't thought about.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
I would say this, first of all, I think Michael
Hawkins Junior could win the game against Texas with how
bad they have looked.

Speaker 5 (01:50:59):
If he's under center for Oklahoma.

Speaker 4 (01:51:01):
But because there's that human element with the committee, they
also could take into account that he's not right yet
and he has come back early, and if he doesn't
look great, but then he starts to get rolling in
the next coming weeks, they also might not hold it
against them as much as it would.

Speaker 5 (01:51:19):
Be a loss for anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
I am encouraged by what I saw from arch Manning
last week in a hostile environment against one of the
best defenses in the league. After getting down big, he
almost led a comeback in the swamp against DJ Lagway
and that offense, which really woke up because I guess
this Wilson kid who Florida has been missing, this freshman
over the past four or five weeks to start the season.

(01:51:41):
He must be the second coming of Randy Moss or something.
You hear people talk about him. He certainly made a
giant impact for them last week because Texas up before
last week, was also one of the best defenses in
the country, and they've shown some leaks, so you think.

Speaker 5 (01:51:52):
Arch Manning is he primed for a breakout performance. This
could be it.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
You know when Chris Plank told us when he came
on the show earlier that Oklahoma was prone to giving
up the big play, and we know that that Texas
passing game, despite the fact that their offensive line hasn't
been good in Archis was running for his life, they
can make some plays down the field. So I think
I'm actually gonna call it and say that Texas ends
up winning this game. Matier or no, matier doesn't matter.
I think they're able to make plays against that Oklahoma

(01:52:16):
defensive secondary.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
I guarantee.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
I'm i guaranteeing a thing, but I will yeah, I
will say I do think that the Texas Longhorns did
him getting this victory today.

Speaker 5 (01:52:24):
Okay, that's bold. I like that. What about Michigan out
here on the west coast, west side.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
Out physicals USC on the front lines, and you know,
I when Oklahoma beat Michigan earlier this year, we had
petros on and I kind of poop pooed it to
steal a line from Rob Parker, like, Yeah, Michigan's a
middling Big Ten team. They're good. Underwood's a freshman quarterback.
He's solid, but nothing special. I've changed my tun on
that and he's looked amazing. They're running the ball well
and he is improving every single solitary week. So they

(01:52:52):
actually have discovered the four pass in ann Arbor and
it's helping them win some games.

Speaker 3 (01:52:56):
Here.

Speaker 4 (01:52:56):
When's usc gon has rediscovered the running game, I should say,
you know what, they've been.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
Better this year. They've looked a lot better. They looked
more like than Lincoln right of the Oklahoma teams that
actually had a very healthy mix of running pass.

Speaker 4 (01:53:09):
It's still not enough if you want to be physical
in the Big Ten.

Speaker 2 (01:53:13):
Yeah, I just don't think they're more on the defensive
side than the offensive side. I just don't know if
they can hold up against that Michigan offensive line and
nothing the way that Illinois ran them over a couple
of weeks ago. I think Michigan is even better than
Illinois upfront, is even as good as Brett Beilaman is
as an offensive line coach. So I think Michigan goes
into the coliseum and runs all over USC. So I

(01:53:35):
maybe it's a seven, seven to ten point game something
like that last.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
Year on this that was one of USC's close calls.
Last year, wasn't a twenty seven to twenty four one
of the games that they blew up wid There were
many Big House. Yes at the Big House. They blew
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
They blew a game against Maryland, They blew a game
at home against Penn State that there's a laundry list.
One more I want to get in before we get
out of here, Bri a big one of the SEC.
It's a statement game from Missouri if they could find
a way to beat Alabama, because Missouri is one of
those teams in the SEC that says we want automatic qualifiers.
Because of the subjectivity of a committee, we are never
going to have the cachet name value of Alabama, LSU,

(01:54:10):
all burn whatever, no matter how good we are. The
fact that they're undefeated and they're raked in the top
four in the country in offense and defense and they
still only come in at number twenty in the country
and this is the first week that they're ranked tells
you all you need to know. So they are fighting
for basically for relevancy to say, we are Missouri, we
are an SEC team, we are legit.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Give us our damn respect.

Speaker 2 (01:54:31):
Respect And I think they get it because I think
they beat Alabama this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:54:34):
Wow, Alabama has been through the ringer. They've gotten victories,
but they've had a really tough schedule the last three weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
This is not going to be an easy game early game,
and they don't stop the run.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
And Missouri is one of the best teams in the
country and are the best team in the SEC at
running the football.

Speaker 5 (01:54:49):
All right, Well, they got to prove themselves because their
best victory is against like South Carolina. They beat UMass
last week. It ain't much, but this is their big moment.
It's coming out party for Missou. Coming up next two
on two off two picks on A favorites or on
favorites in the NFL two picks on underdogs here in
our betting segment. Final segment here on F and A

(01:55:11):
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Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
Speaking of Betton Mark, let's get to it two on
two on all right, So last week, once again, Kevin
went three and one.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
It's a really deep sigh you took there.

Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
I went two and two. Okay, I went two and two.
That's pretty good. Oh, Vin went that works on the season.
I'm nine and eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:56:06):
The bomb's lost.

Speaker 4 (01:56:08):
It's perfect number for the emergency. I'm happening for nine
and eleven. Is I even that bat, it's not. It's
right around five hundred. Go look at Joel klass record.

Speaker 5 (01:56:18):
Within the college.

Speaker 2 (01:56:19):
Why Joel, he was catching strays from you this because
he ignores your text messages.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
Kevin.

Speaker 5 (01:56:26):
Meanwhile, on the season thirteen and seven.

Speaker 3 (01:56:29):
Total ownership at that?

Speaker 5 (01:56:32):
All right, Kevin, you want to give me your two ons,
your favorite picks for this week.

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
So one of my onw I know, I gassed up
the Cardinals a little bit earlier in the show in
the six pack, and I still they'll give the Colts
a run for their money on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:56:44):
Oh how much? How much money?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
While the line is seven, the Colts are a seven
point favorite, and I think that's on and is about right.
I think, at worse, I think it might end up
being a push. I think that the Cardinals are going
to be in at the entire way through. But I
do think that the Colts end up winning by touchdown.
Maybe it ends up getting up to eight to ten
points or something like that. So you got the Colts covering,
So I do have the Colts covering the covering the
seven point spread. Yeah, that is one of my ons.

Speaker 5 (01:57:10):
So my cat shadow had that as well.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
Okay, also picked my guy Indiana Jones and the Colts
to win by more than seven against the Cardinals at
home after what.

Speaker 5 (01:57:20):
They did to the Raiders. I mean, my all right, gone, all.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Right, calm down, speaking of the Raiders, their AFC West
mates or across the pond against the Jets. This's the
Denver Broncos seven and a half point favorites. I think
that's about right. I think the Broncos with that comeback
victory over the Eagles, maybe finding their stride a little bit.
The defense has been amazing all season long to this point.
Offense still finding their footing. I know last week in
my under the microscope, I had bo Nix and I

(01:57:46):
think he performed well, especially in that fourth quarter. So
I think the Broncos has seven and a half point
favorites over the reeling Jets in London. Isn't on for me.

Speaker 5 (01:57:54):
I wanted to pick that game, but my cat Tuca
did not. Ugh Tuca took.

Speaker 4 (01:58:01):
The Rams minus seven on the road against the Baltimore Ravens,
who are reeling and I think may have one foot
out the door because they got a bye week coming
up and they probably think, hey, Lamar gets healthy. Even
if we're one and five.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
They still have all these games left against the division
to play. I think it won two three kancon for
the next week.

Speaker 4 (01:58:22):
No, come on, now Van Exell is not involved like this, right,
but I got yeah, I got the Rams covering who
basically are coming off their own bye after that Thursday
night lost a tough one when they were favored by
eight against the forty nine ers and somehow.

Speaker 5 (01:58:36):
Shot themselves in the foot the entire night, some way
Kyle Shanahan out coach Sean McVay.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
Again, it always happens, except for when it matters most
in the MC Championship game.

Speaker 5 (01:58:44):
Those are our ons, our bets on favorites. What about
the dogs? Here are offs Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:58:48):
They are six and a half point underdogs against the Steelers.
Are pretty much went through why I like the Browns
and Dalan Gabriel and yeah, in our previous segment earlier
in the show on the six packs, so that Steelers
defense has not been good as a representation reputation with States.
And I like what Dylan Gabriel and this Browns offense
looked like last week in London against the Vikings. So
I think the Browns pulled the upset here and end

(01:59:09):
up beating the Pittsburgh Steelers. And for my other off,
I got the beating, yes, not just covering beating. I
got them actually winning the game. How about that? How
about that?

Speaker 5 (01:59:18):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
I do have the Detroit Lions, who are underdogs for
some reason, against the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday Night football.
I don't understand it. I know the Chiefs are making
some strides and are improving, but the Lions have been
dominant offensively ever since they struggled against Green Bay on
Opening Night. The Chiefs defensively have not been the same
team this year.

Speaker 5 (01:59:35):
They have no pass rush.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
Jared golf whites up that Steve Spagnolo defense, and the
Lions win this thing against the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (01:59:42):
On two p's in a pod over here, I also
have the Lions plus two and a half points. Is
that what you got on it?

Speaker 2 (01:59:48):
Yes, it is two and a half.

Speaker 4 (01:59:49):
I know they're on the road. They beat them there
a couple of years ago in Arrowhead against a better
Chiefs team. That was a huge game to start off
the season Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (01:59:57):
On Ring Night.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
That's where the Lions spoiled it right in front of them.
In fact, Jared goff is two and zher against Mahomes
because he beat him with the Rams.

Speaker 5 (02:00:04):
Remember that crazy Monday night game.

Speaker 2 (02:00:06):
At the Coliseum when the Rams were still there. I
remember that vividly. That was a back and forth game.

Speaker 5 (02:00:10):
Like fifty five fifty. Yeah, it was unbelievable. I got
the lines too.

Speaker 2 (02:00:14):
I think that'll be a pretty entertaining game. I'm not
saying that the Lions are going to run the Chiefs
off of the field by any stretch of the imagination,
but just looking at how both teams are playing at
this point in time, I do think the Detroit Lions,
to your point one golf there has their number and two.
The Detroit Lions, I think, with this victory, might submit
themselves maybe the best team.

Speaker 3 (02:00:32):
In the NFL.

Speaker 5 (02:00:34):
Yeah, they were the number one seed last year. Why not?

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
Yeah? All right?

Speaker 4 (02:00:38):
My final off here on an underdog. I got the
Dolphins plus three and a half. They get the Chargers
at home. I don't love it, but I'm doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Chargers are going to charge you in Miami. We'll see
what happens. Thanks Debris, Thanks to Mark, Thanks to you
for listening. Project in Io. Next on FSR

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