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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Countdown starts nine. Lying from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
Here's Brian no, Rich Hornberger and Jared Smith.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh, welcome in. Good Saturday morning, hob your days off
to a fantastic start. Man, we have drama for days
over here. Good morning to you, Jared, Good morning Rich.
Everything good with you, guys. I'll tell you what I
would just like to make about eighty seven quick points

(00:55):
about Okayc's win last night against Indiana, and then you
guys can go eight.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Yeah, how'd you get the eighties show?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
We got to streamline it here, you know, we got
to get the ball moving. We can't wall stick, you
know what I mean, like the one I can't talk
for seventeen minutes straight and then pass to you guys.
You know, you guys need your your shots as well here.
So eighty eight is a little too much.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Distributor, it's a little he's a distributor.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Yeah, guard show, there we go. Yeah, Okay, So what
a game last night. First off, and really when it
came down to Okay, see flip the script, right, they
flipped the script in the fourth quarter. If you look
at the Pacers, the Pacers had outscored OKC by twenty

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seven points in the fourth quarter over the first three games.
And the Pacers, they were the team that you look
in the playoffs. And what they've done in the fourth
quarter just coming back from the dead. We've talked about
them being the zombies of the sports world, right, They've
been so clutch in crunch time in the fourth quarter.
And what did OKC do last night? They outscored the

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Pacers thirty one to seventeen in the fourth quarter. That
is winning time. And Oka see just found away last
They came up huge down the stretch. Had to have
that game. They were staring a three to one deficit
in the face. And then you look at SGA, the
MVP was clutch, scored fifteen points in the final four

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minutes and thirty eight seconds. We'll call it the final
five minutes. He's the first player with fifteen points and
went eight for eight from the free throw line in
the fourth quarter of a finals game. Since some guy
named Michael Jordan in nineteen ninety eight. And the last
quick point I will make is Okase really did remind
me of the ninety seven and the ninety eight Bowls

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last night, cause you think about those games in Utah,
those games were battles down the stretch of those series. Right,
you had the flu game in ninety seven Jordan and
the Bulls are on the road and did what they
did against Utah, and then ninety eight the game winning shot.

(03:07):
Those games were so close, and it just felt like
last night when you looked at OKC, it felt like
they were on a treadmill and it was on the
highest incline setting. It just felt like they were just
slowly just walking up a mountain the whole night. The
crowd's going crazy. Pacers have been so great in the

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fourth quarter and in crunch time and they can't buy
a three. They can't make a three to save their lives.
And they just played great defense and were scoring however
they possibly could even had the SGA pushoff on Nisman Jordan. Right,
it really reminded me of the nineties Bowls last night

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what happened with OKC. But what a game, man, what
an absolute game last night.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
That was Yeah, that was a special game. I completely
agree with you. I don't know if it directly reminded
me of the nineties Bulls or what it reminded me of,
you know, to put like a perfect comparison on it,
but it did feel throwback. It did feel or have
moments where I felt like I was watching basketball from

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a different time. And look, we can complain a lot
about a lot of things. You can complain a lot
about the way basketball's played these days, more of a
perimeter game. It features less aggressiveness, even though it's it's
a contact sport. I feel like they're quick to the

(04:37):
whistle usually in terms of the referees and how games
are officiated. The players, and we can get really you know,
existential about this. You know, the players, the amount of
money they're being paid, and you know, even in the postseason,
outside of the finals, you know, sometimes you know player usage.

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The coaches and players will make strange choices where if
a game is starting to slip away, or if a
game is a blowout in the third quarter, some of
these teams will roll over and die and say, hey,
we'll chalk this one up as a loss, and we'll
look forward to the next game in this seven game series,
there was none of that. There was none of that.
Okay See was having a terrible night moving the ball,

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they were having a terrible night from deep, and they
found a way to battle back. They never left this game.
They stayed tied to the moment, to the emotion, to
the momentum, and they found a way to turn the script.
You're absolutely right. It wasn't pretty. It was an ugly win.
But ugly wins can win you championships. If you get

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four ugly wins in a row, guess what, you just
swept the team. If you get four ugly wins by
the time Game seven rolls around, you just want a championship.
So it's find a way. And that's exactly what Oka
See did last night. And that was the most fun
I've had watching basketball this entire postseason.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
I would argue, well said, I think before I start
the this championship series, not only in the NBA, but
the NHL the Cup Final as well. I know we
complain a lot, and we whine and we moan, and
we analyze and we overanalyze, and we will continue to
do all of those things because that's our job. But
I'll take a second here and just be a fan.

(06:23):
This is awesome. This is freaking awesome, and we won't
get many, like a few more days of it, right.
Maybe maybe we'll get two more games in the Stanley
Cup Final. Oh no, we will. We'll get two more
games in the Stanley Cup Final. Maybe we'll get three.
Maybe we'll get three more games of the NBA Finals. Maybe.

(06:43):
I think, frankly, both series will end in six. That's
my prediction here on June fourteenth. It's that the teams
that won the last game have now captured momentum of
both of these series. And to both of your guys point,
it wasn't it wasn't pretty last night. You know what
was pretty, though, The ability to overcome adversity. I think

(07:03):
that is the true test of a champion. I honestly do.
I don't think these two teams that we have in
these championship rounds, Oklahoma City and Edmonton, the teams that
I think now have the inside track to win the
championship in their respective sports. I don't think they're the
best teams, the best champions we've had even in the

(07:25):
last decade or so. But both of them obviously last
night being our focus now with Oklahoma City out scoring
Indiana by fourteen in the fourth quarter, the two stars,
actually I'll say the three stars home Grom Williams SGA
combine twenty seven for twenty seven at the free throw line. Wow,

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did not miss a free throw all night. The three
best players on the best team in the league. Clutch, gritty, grueling.
Not an easy win, but they overcame the adversity and
they got it done. And I think that was I
don't want to say it was the sealer because there's

(08:08):
still again best of three. Anything could happen. We've seen
Indiana overcome their fair share of adversity in this postseason.
But Oklahoma City is.

Speaker 4 (08:17):
A worthy champion.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
They deserve the flowers for going on the road last night,
overcoming everything, including Steven A playing solid there during the game.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
And being able to clinch the win. Very impressive stuff.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
You know, It's crazy is depending on how a game unfolds,
a stud performance might become a total footnote.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
You know, you go to.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Baseball, you know, remember the Mets when Andy Chavez made
that insane home run stealing catch against the Cardinals and
then the Cardinals go on and win the game. And
it's a total footnote, right, Like, that's how I felt
last night with Andrew Nemhard the defense he played on
SGA and how much of a pesty he was a

(08:59):
loose dort like pest, and I mean that completely complimentary.
He was just pestering SGA until the final five minutes
rolled around and SGA rattled up fifteen points. Fifteen points
in the final five minutes of the game, and it
was just crazy. How Oka so he found a way
to pull it out. And now it's just kind of like, yeah,

(09:20):
shoulder shrug them hard. He did his thing. But that's
not where you're gonna remember from this game. A couple
other things point jump out at me. It's not a
three point shooting contest. I hear so many times where
we make today's NBA just that, well, if you make
more thre's probably gonna win the game. If you shoot
a better three point percentage, probably gonna win the game.

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And last night Okase was ice freaking cold from three.
They hit three of them all night. They shot under
nineteen percent from the three point line three for sixteen.
You're not supposed to win games in today's NBA shooting
that badly from the perimeter, and they did it. Shows
there are many ways to win games. You can win

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it with your defense, you can win it with you know,
shots closer to the basket. You don't have to just
bomb threes all night and that's the only way you
can win. And a lot of times we reduce it
down to that. It's just not true. And I think
we were right to point out that Mark Dagnalt, the
OKC head coach, has messed up numerous times in this series.

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But I think you got to give him some credit
because it really worked out last night. He rested SGA
in the first quarter. It was nine straight games where
SGA played the entire first quarter, all twelve minutes, and
he sat for over four minutes in the first quarter
last night, and that was big. I thought that was big.
Otherwise he just wouldn't have had enough gas left in

(10:45):
the tank.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
At the end there, yep.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
And he hit some huge shots, the three pointer to
cut it to a one point deficit late that was
with three minutes to go, and then the next possession
was the push off on Nie Smith. Absolutely a travel
I get Pacer fans are upset about that, but hey,
not gonna get every call perfectly. It's not gonna go
your way every single time. And when you slow it

(11:10):
down in slow motion, that looks completely different than in
live action. It looks like he pushed. It looks like
a WWE push off, you know what I mean, when
they slap each other in the chest to begin the match.
That's what it looks like in slow motion. In liftime,
it didn't look like that. I don't think my live
eyes are that bad. Where the push off it just

(11:32):
didn't look as blatant live and the steps it just
didn't look as blatant live to me. You slow it
down and it's like, oh my gosh, he really got
away with one right there. But that's the way it goes. Man,
You're not gonna get perfect officiating all the time.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
Yeah. And it is a contact sport again, and so
there's gonna be room for error. There's going to be
margins with physicality. The officials, the rafts, they're gonna blow
their whistle for certain things and they're gonna hold off
on other things. And again, it's a championship series. So
I never I never really complain about a ref airing

(12:07):
on the side of Hey, was it afoul? Wasn't a foul.
I didn't quite see it from the correct angle. I'm
not going to call this one. I'm better with that
than the opposite, than over officiating. I want the players
and their physicality to decide outcomes. I have a question
dovetailing off of what you said about SGA. I'll get

(12:28):
to that, but I do want to comment on the
fact that they were so cold beyond the arc, that
three for sixteen shooting from three data point. If you're
going to be that poor fundamentally from a very important
part of today's game, which we have to be honest,
perimeter shooting is a really important part of today's game,

(12:50):
well you better be nails somewhere else, and they were.
They outrebounded the Pacers forty three to thirty three, offensive
boards twelve to seven. You know, you're stealing possessions. And
speaking of possessions, they forced the Pacers into fifteen turnovers.
You know, so if you add the five possessions they

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got off the glass over the top of what the
Pacers were able to get when they were on defense.
When you add another fifteen turnovers, that means twenty extra
possessions for OKC. And then when they were fouled, they
made their shots. They hit thirty four thirty eight from
the free throw line. So if you're going to be

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bad from three point, which they were objectively awful, then
you better be great elsewhere. And they were. And I
really appreciated that fundamentally, that OKAC was able to keep
their composure even though a big part of their game
was really flum mixing them. Here's the question I wanted
to arrive at. So SGA rests in the first quarter,

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he has a really rough start to this game. Do
we think we're going to see a similar strategy in
game five? Or do we think as a result of
that decision, maybe the feeling is, hey, we we kind
of we kind of screwed up, Like we may have
impacted how he started that game and played that game. Now,
he had a phenomenal fourth quarter. The way he closed

(14:14):
out that game was incredible. But do they do that
again in game five?

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Great question? The thing that there's two things that surprised
me last night. First of all, he looked gas in
the first quarter, even the first half. I tweeted that out.
I said, I was surprised, you know, something's off with
SGA when he had zero free throw attempts in a
half of basketball. Yeah, I mean, this is a guy
that is literally named the free throw Merchant. Well, business

(14:40):
wasn't good in the first half last night for the Merchant.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
Zero free throw attempts in the first half.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
So I thought that was kind of your red flag
that maybe he was a little bit gas. Right, He's
an elite defensive player. He's being asked to do a
lot on both ends, and I thought that was a
really sharp decision by Mark Dagnall to give him some
rest because I think in the fourth quarter he looked great.

Speaker 4 (15:03):
He did not look gassed.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
I'm sure there are plenty of Pacers fans today. I've
seen him on social media that are very upset about
the push off. I don't know what to tell you.
Go google Jordan push off and then tell me what
you see, and then you tell me how you feel
about the one we saw last night. Like I just
I think to Rich's point, in these games, you're gonna
have to let some stuff go. And Scott Foster, I

(15:27):
know he's had his moments in life in his refereeing career,
but I think that was the right Like if that
was a fifty to fifty call last night. I think
he was smart for leaving his whistle in his pocket.
I commend that. And yeah, Rich again, you nailed it.
Like the three point shots weren't falling, but they out

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rebounded Indiana. They won the turnover battle, they won the
fourth quarter convincingly. They did all the little things that
you need to do to win a basketball game in
the fourth quarter in the NBA Finals, essentially with the
finals on the line, you go down three to one.
Tough ask. It could be done, but very tough ask.
Now you're two two, you get home court. You're gonna

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have two games at OKAC. You're gonna be a double
digit favorite in both. Most likely. I think it's like
nine and a half right now. It's gonna take a
monumental effort for Indiana to win one of those games.
I don't think they're gonna win either. I think it's
gonna be okay, see and six. I think last night
was the series. And I give the thunder their flowers.
They are a worthy champion. They overcame what they needed

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to overcome in order to get that one win on
the road. They had Game one one and they blew it.
They needed to go into Indiana and get one of
these games, and they got one, and that, to me,
that's what it takes to win a title.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, that was man, that was a high, high hurdle
they jumped over last night because that place was a
madhouse and the Pacers, I mean, they were in great
position to go up three to one. Agree with a
lot of the talk the day of where it's like,
if they go up three to one, it's a freaking
wrap forget it, no chance, no how, It's like, really,

(17:07):
I think it'd be funny if OKC ends up winning
three straight games. Right now, I realize it's a lot
different winning three straight games when you're down to one
than if you're down three to one. I get that,
but it would be funny for everyone who's like, if
the if OKC goes down three to one, forget it,
it's over, no chance you're gonna end up winning three

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straight games. That'd be pretty funny.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Guess what the favorite is right now for the series? Okay,
see at six.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
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So the New York Knicks, Wow, this good. This head
coaching search is leaving a lot to be desired.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
They just the Knicks remind me of a former supermodel
where they're just they're still thinking themselves in those terms
like I'm in my prime right now, and they don't
realize they're no longer a current supermodel, you know, like
those days are You're like you're kind of over the hill.
Now that was a long time ago you did that

(19:33):
photo shoot.

Speaker 6 (19:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
The Knicks just kicked Tom Thibodeau to the curb, and
they don't have a real plan for who their next
head coach is. It's like they're googling an NBA teams like, hey,
who's the current head coach with the raptors like, yeah,
call them up, see if that guy's interested. And these
teams are just denying the Knicks opportunities to interview their

(19:56):
current head coaches. The Knicks have been denied by the Rockets,
They've been denied by the Timberwolves. They've just been denied
left and right from interviewing current head coaches and the MAVs.
They want Jason Kidd. The MAVs are like, yeah no,
and the Knicks are like what h called Quinn Snyder.

(20:18):
Let's see me. It's been rough and it might work
out okay in the long run, but you talk about
an extra sloppy process here. They look like a total
joke right now.

Speaker 5 (20:31):
Yeah. Rule number one of skydiving is bring a parachute
onto the plane. You know. It's if you are going
to throw yourself out of the plane, you better have
a plan. And it just sort of felt like the
Knicks went, hey, we don't really love TIBs, you know,
and I'm talking about as a unit or whatever outside

(20:52):
consultants they brought in to discuss this, and they all
scratched their chins and went, yeah, we agree, we don't
like TIBs. Okay, good, let's get lunch and we'll continue
chatting after lunch. And then they all forgot to talk
about anything after lunch. They just had meatball subs and

(21:13):
they all got a little, you know, tired, and so
instead of finishing that day of work, they went home early.
And then at one point, I'm sure, you know, maybe
it was somebody in the Dolan family just went, hey,
was there something we were supposed to talk about after lunch?
And then they just went, Nah, those subs were good, right, Yeah,

(21:34):
we should go to that deli again. All right, good night, honey.
And then they just completely forgot to make a plan.
But you gotta have a parachute packed if you're gonna skydive,
you're right the way you tease this topic, Brian, the
fact that the New York Knicks think because of who
they are and the market they play in, and the
kind of money that you can generate if you're a

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player or coach in that market, and maybe a little
bit of the pomp and circumstance of playing at the
hallowed grounds of Madison Square Garden, coaching in the in
the in that arena, maybe they thought more of this
job than the rest of the league and the rest
of the available candidates do, especially when you look at
their roster, especially when you look at their future in

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terms of draft picks and things like that, you know,
like the actual quantitative things, not this qualitative nature of
the New York Knicks. And they're struggling, and that's what
happens when you don't have a plan, You oftentimes struggle
or you get lucky. And luck has not been on
their side.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
So shout out mom. By the way, I'm about to
tell this story. And if she's the one that a
birth me b gave me this advice, so shout out mom.
So when I was younger in my career, I bounced
around a lot of jobs, as most people do in
the media industry.

Speaker 4 (22:53):
I would have this job.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
My first job was an internship. Six months later I
got a job in Trenton to work with a thunder.
A year later, I've done at FAU then yearly. I
was bouncing around all those different jobs first five ten
years of my career, and my mom gave me this
piece of advice and it always stuck with me. She said,
don't quit your current job until you have something else

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lined up. Really foolish, and I did that once. You know,
I miserable at this one gig. I was a writer
for this Atlantic City newspaper and I hated it, and
so I wanted to leave and She's.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
Like, don't quit until you have another job lined up.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
I was like, okay, Mom, good advice. I don't think
the Knicks took that advice at all, because you would
think the next headline after Tibbs gets fired would be
Nick's higher head coach or Knick's interview next head coach,

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and not Nicks denied interview with Jason Kidd. Then the
next headline Nicks denied interview with Emi Udoka. Then the
next headline Nicks to night interview with Finch, Nicks to
night interview with Night or nixt to night interview.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
With Billy Donovan. Billy Freakin Donovan.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Yeah, the Bulls want to keep Billy Donovan so badly.

Speaker 4 (24:16):
That they wouldn't even let him interview with the Knicks.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
And I don't want to get into the dynamics of
Billy Donovan and the Bulls. That's not the point of
this story. I think he's actually had a really very
interesting career. But the point of this story is, you
do not fire the head coach, the only head coach
in the last two decades to win two rounds in

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the playoffs, unless you know who your next head coach
is going to be. You have built this entire team
around culture, grit, determination, muscle, all of the attributes that
Tom Thibodeau brings to the table. And if you don't
think he is the right guy to take you to

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the finals, I am not in a position to argue,
but I can tell you if you fire him without
a plan in place, a succession plan, it's not gonna
work out.

Speaker 4 (25:13):
It was a bad decision, whether or not TIBs is
the guy or not. This was a bad move. And
I have no idea.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Who they're gonna hire, Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, one of
those guys. It sounds like I just don't understand the logic,
the plan. What's your plan?

Speaker 4 (25:33):
I don't think there was one.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
I think the meatball sub thing makes a lot of sense.
And you know what, something else Rich said a week
or two ago, It really does seem like, Hey, maybe
Tom Thibodeau is a little like Belichick right where it's
not the guy that you would expect in the workplace
to be like, hey, Jimmy Dolan, Howard things is everything going?

Speaker 6 (25:57):
Like?

Speaker 2 (25:57):
It was the vision trip cool? Tibbs just I was
like I got film to watch, you know, That's how
Belichick was right, Robert Craft couldn't wait to get rid
of Belichick, and so maybe there was something there. This
is absolutely a James Dolan move. James Dolan kicked TIBs
to the curb, and now the process is what it is.

(26:17):
And it also seems like you ever see it and
they're totally set up. Do you ever see those like
mock wedding proposals at like halftime of a basketball game
or something like that and the girl says, no, that's
what the Knicks seem like. They seem like, you know,
it should probably say yes, it should work out fine, right,

(26:38):
And now they're in this spot where it's like, where's
your self awareness? What was the plan? B If all
these teams just said no, we don't give you permission,
not granting that to talk to our current head coach,
what were you gonna do next? Did you not anticipate
that at all?

Speaker 5 (26:55):
They didn't.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
They didn't at all, And that's why we are where
we are.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I really think it is and it is crazy. It's
it's uh, I mean. And also the list of coaches
that they asked to interview in the list that they
didn't like, you know, like you start going down the
list like you mentioned Udoka and Donovan and Quinn Snyder
like they they didn't talk to Rick Carlisle or asked

(27:20):
to talk to him, or or or tylu or jj Red.
I mean, like, was there a point where, like at
some point you just think to yourself, like, hey, we've
shot or shot and missed with with these guys, we
may as well just continue stepping on rakes in the
grass until we find one who will allow us to interview.

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Or or were they embarrassed and they kind of sheepishly
tucked their tail between their legs and stopped doing that.
Here's here's the problem now though. The problem now is
after letting go TIBs the way he did, which I thought,
you know, from the standpoint of how it happened, it
sends out a bat signal to other coaches that this

(28:04):
is how you will be dealt with in New York.
Like it puts up it puts up a little bit
of an ice front or a cold front for from
from the standpoint like you know, you may be mistreated
if you come here from a head coaching standpoint. There
were rumors circulating before the playoffs even began that Tom
Thibodeau was out and there were still analysts and people

(28:28):
close to the game who were shocked about his firing.
But there were rumors and then they followed through with
those rumors, and Timms is still owed thirty million dollars
on this contract.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
I mean, he is going to be paid a boatload
of money by the New York Knicks. So you have
that part of it where it's like, hey, even if
you think you have security based on the time left
and on your contract or the money left on your contract,
guess what, you don't. And we have no problem embarrassing you.
So if we don't get along with you, good luck

(29:03):
finding somebody who is interested in you know, the public
humiliation that they really kind of put one of the
most not prolific, but one of the winningest coaches they've
had on the staff in a long time. I mean
we've cited it so many times, how long of a
playoff drought and an Eastern Conference final drought it had

(29:26):
been prior to Tibbs. But it's it's it almost outside
of winning a championship. I don't think anything would have
reversed this decision for the Knicks. They didn't care.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I can't. I've totally forgot about the contract. That makes
it even worse that that's how you know if it
wasn't a Dolen decision, he had to have signed off
on it.

Speaker 5 (29:49):
Oh yeah, he did.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
There's no way that they would have fired him and
owed him all that money. And maybe there's something in
his contract where they can get out of it at
some point. I I'm not privy to it. I didn't
look at his contract this morning. I totally blanked on
that aspect of this story, which is an interesting nugget
because it makes the search that much more exhausting. Like

(30:14):
I wouldn't be shocked if Leon Rose game six in
Indiana goes up to Carlisle and then in the tunnel
like hey, Ricky, Hey, we're gonna we're probably gonna fire Tibsy,
any interest in coming coach for us? Like I just
at this point, the desperation like it's it's it reminds
me of that guy at the bar at the end
of the night and you gotta, hey, you gotta you gotta,

(30:37):
you gotta close, you gotta finish your your your masculinities
on the line. You don't bring a girl home, don't
even get me started on that argument, but it's just.

Speaker 4 (30:45):
It's just it reeks of desperation.

Speaker 3 (30:48):
It absolutely reaks.

Speaker 4 (30:50):
Did they not think all of these rejections would.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Be made public? Like with each passing rejection, the odds
of them getting a star to come play for them,
like Kevin I don't know Kevin Durant, who's available, by
the way, who the Sons are desperately trying to trade.
It just decreases their odds of getting one of those players,
cause it just makes them look like they don't.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Have a plan.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
If you are a player in the NBA and you
have any semblance of a brain with an eight with
an agent, and a forward thinking mindset, and you're sitting
down with the Knicks and you're like, hey, Leon Rose,
what's your plan? I don't know, We're gonna call all
these coaches that already have jobs gainfully employed and begged
them to come coach for us. Well wait a minute, then,

(31:38):
you just have a coach that took you to the finals,
that made it further than all of the other coaches
that you're calling in the postseason like it just and again,
I'm not an NBA expert, I'm not this analyst that
covers the league. But I do have common sense and
I know that you don't leave a job until you
have another one lined up. That's just a dumb move.

(31:59):
You don't fire a head coach until you have another
one lined up. It is a dumb move when you're
running a multi billion dollar organization like the New York Knicks.
Shame on you, Leon Rose, Shame on you, James Dolan,
Shame on the entire operation for allowing this to happen.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, that's rough, man. Sometimes I wish coaches behaved like players.
They're better off for not doing that. But if there
were a player that was done dirty like Tibbs just was,
there's a good chance they would be pretty vocal about it.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Oh yeah, And you're not gonna hear a peep from
Tibbs any smarter off for doing that, because it's just
gonna make him look bad. But it'd be funny to
hear an interview from Tibbs right now. Oh yeah, of
like you see what I was dealing with?

Speaker 5 (32:43):
You see what? Right? You see?

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Like we've rattled it off. They made it to the
Eastern Conference Finals for the first time in twenty five years.
Back to back fifty win seasons again for the first
time since the nineties, you know, and you look at
it's crazy to go through the seven years before TIBs
where they didn't make the playoffs, and sometimes it's kind
of like, I can't even really remember. So it was

(33:09):
Derek Fisher was a head coach for like a year
and a half, Kurt Rambis was the interim head coach.
Then it was Jeff Horniseck for two years. Then it
was David Fizdale. You take that for data, that guy
for like a year and a half. Then there was
another interim coach, and then there was TIBs. Like it
was Lean from Mike Woodson until Tibbs, and there were

(33:31):
a multiple coaches in between those two. And it's like
that you could be staring that in the face right now.
Now watch this. Somehow, some way work out where these
teams like the MAVs and the Rockets and all these things,
not only do they not want to let go of
their head coach, but if they are going to lose
their head coach, they'd like some compensation for it. They'd

(33:51):
like a first round pick or something instead of just
letting them go. You know, So maybe it works out
where they get a draft pick and the Knicks still
get who they were initially looking for. It could work
out that way, but man, this is a bad process.
We talk about process all the time in sports betting.
Every now and then you luck out you're playing Texas,

(34:12):
hold them, You're like, I'll go in with ten three
off suit. It's it might work out. You know, it
worked for Texas, Dolly ten two close right like, and
it's like, it's not always gonna work out every now
and then any two cards you run into some blind luck.
But your process was bad. You know, Like there's even
if it works out well for the Knicks, the process

(34:33):
is freaking terrible.

Speaker 4 (34:34):
It's not gonna work out well for them in this situation.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It just seems like it shouldn't because the process has
been so bad.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Like, what's the best case scenario, Taylor Jenkins mikee.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
It's gonna be a retired It's good. That's the world
that they're going to exist in now. In terms of
this coaching hunt is gonna be the retired head coaching route,
whether it be collegiate, most likely professional. They're gonna find
an NBA tread They're gonna sign him to a shorter
tester like contract, and that coach probably won't see the

(35:07):
end of that contract either before being let go. And
then maybe at that point they'll be bad enough for
long enough to have enough of a draw in terms
of the draft picks they've amassed. Uh, if they trade
off a couple of stars in a mass a few
more where a head coach will take the bait, well
they'll be like, yeah, I've heard all the horror stories

(35:29):
about the Dolans. I know organizationally they're unorganized or disorganized.
Maybe I could come in and help. And plus we've
got a bright future if we spend those picks the
right way. Yeah, I'll be a part of the rebuild.
That's honestly, it seems bleak, but that might be the
best outcome for the New York Knicks right now.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, that's the deal man, here's nothing. Yeah yeah, yeah,
back to the drags of the Kegs.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Well that's that finals around, guys.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
If it's not that and it's one of these current
head coaches, they're gonna have to send some compensation. Might
be a first round pick. The problem is they sent
five first round picks in the mckel bridges deal.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
Oh my god four.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Unprotected picks and mckel Bridges is a good player. Good,
but that's a lot of compensation for mckel Bridges. And
if you're trying to get Jason Kidd and it's gonna
require a first round pick, whatever it requires, you don't
exactly have just this OKC treasure chest of a surplus.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
They spent years building this team around Tibbs's culture, like
Bridges is a Tibbs guy. Yeah, defensive mind died gritty
and you built this entire team with an architect in mind.
And now you swapped out the architect right when the
team reaches their peak. Well, and then you didn't have
another backup architect to replace them.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Yeah that's right. Yeah, that's exactly where they are right now.
I've got rich Orenberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith FSR,
betting analyst, and a Knicks fan at heart from as
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(37:11):
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(37:33):
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Speaker 1 (37:55):
Check this out with Parlay letter.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Ah yeah, so it's not just a regular old parlay platter.
It is the Mega super Charged Deluxe parlay platter.

Speaker 5 (38:06):
Today.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
What it's going on, Dear Jerrett, We're getting weird today.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
I mean, listen, We've got at I think at minimum
two games, but I don't think we're gonna get to
a third game. So I'm just gonna go out and
say this will be the last NBA parlay platter of
the season. We're not gonna get to a game seven
next week. The series we'll have next Thursday, So go
big or go home. Here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna take a bunch of picks. I know I have two.

(38:31):
I know Brian has too.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
Rich has like one and a half.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I don't know if we're gonna be able to get
his second pick in the parlay because he's getting weird
with his drops today, but maybe he'll switch on me
last minute. Here I'm gonna so we're just gonna do
a two leg parlay and then we're gonna smush them
all together and get six legs and that equals to
the mega. SGA to score thirty at Oklahoma City to win.
This is just this is like Peanut Butter and Jelly Baby.
The Thunder are eleven and three in the postseason when

(38:54):
SGA scores thirty or more. Two of the losses were
in the Denver series. The other loss was Game one
of this series. So in the last two games, by
the way that he's failed to reach thirty points, they lose.
So it just it seems like this is a very
correlated play. SGA gets to thirty more than likely the
thunder are gonna win and vice versus. So I'll go
and this is just minus one fifty on its own.

(39:15):
I don't mind this on its own. SGA to score thirty,
Oklahoma City to win the game, the first two legs
of the metal.

Speaker 5 (39:24):
Okay, I've changed up mine, all right, throws are not allowed,
No tho the bottom doesn't like it. Yeah, okay, let
me just focus on points and let me go over
nineteen and a half Pascal Siakam. He's been a consistent
scorer in this series, especially as of late. And then
let's go with less than ten and a half points

(39:45):
on Alex Caruso. I'm taking the under there because, look,
he is not one of their primary scores. He played
a great role off the bench in game four. I'm
going with the zig Zag here though he went over
ten and a half last game. Let the under ten
and a half this game in game five. So there
you go. Over for Siakam, under for Caruso.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Okay, I'll go fast. If I have no choice, I'll
go with the Pacers team total over one oh five
and a half. I mean it says we saw it
last night with Okay see backs against the wall. This
is a gots to have it game. You're telling me
they're not gonna score one oh six.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
I know.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Okay, See's defense fantastic. I like them going over. I'm
gonna go Miles Turner over. Fourteen and a half points
and assists.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
We'll get fourteen to one.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Fourteen to one.

Speaker 5 (40:34):
Not bad at all.

Speaker 4 (40:35):
Mega, Oh what is going on?

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Happy Saturday to you? Okay? So you know how some
shows and some talking heads they like to have it's
like Bruce Buffer where they're in the red corner, we've
got the NBA playoffs, in the blue quarter, we've got
the playoffs, and then Bruce Buffer is like, that's time.

(41:05):
You know you've got to pick one and talk trash
about the other. We don't do that here, you know,
we don't. We don't pit these as foes. We have
them as friends. The NBA and NHL playoffs. So yeah,
we're gonna do a little comparison between the two because
you look at game four in both series, off the

(41:26):
freaking charts. What drama you saw it? Last night in
the NBA playoffs, OKC comes back brilliant fourth quarter, They
win a tight, hard fought game. It was tremendous. You
look at Game four of the Stanley Cup Final. Wow,
you had Edmonton that was trailing three to nothing after
the first period. They're staring a three to one deficit

(41:49):
in the face. They come all the way back, they
tie the game, they win it in overtime. Just drama, drama, drama, drama,
Like Florida has the game tying goal in the final
twenty seconds and then Edmonton wins it in overtime. It
was sensational. So if you look at game fours in
the NBA and the NHL, which loss was worse. Was

(42:12):
it Florida They're up three nothing at the end of
the first period and they lose in overtime or was
it the Pacers. Pacers are up. I don't know what
their biggest lead in the fourth quarter was. I think
it got to double digits. But they're up healthy lead.
They've been nails in the fourth quarter. They had been
outscoring OKC by twenty seven points in the fourth quarter

(42:37):
of the first three games, and they got outscored thirty
one to seventeen and lost Game four at home with
the chance to go up three to one. So we'll
throw it to you first, Rich there it is no
movement the fastball right down the middle in your wheelhouse?
Which loss was worse? Was it the Florida Panthers in
Game four or was it the Pacers last night in

(42:59):
Game four?

Speaker 5 (43:00):
I think it's the Pacers because I think I realized
that we're looking at kind of a similar thing where
there was a favorite coming in and it's been a
more contentious battle than maybe we expected or maybe the
public expected. I think you could have made an argument
for why this series is panning out the way it

(43:22):
has between the Pacers and the OKC. But when the
doors left the jar and you find yourself in the
third quarter, in the fourth quarter with an opportunity like
you have, and it didn't feel like the tides were
shifting in a major way. It's not like the undercurrent
all of a sudden shifted like it did in Game
four of the Stanley Cup Final. This truly felt like

(43:46):
it was death by a thousand paper cuts in the
Pacers game. And at any point they could have, you know,
reversed the course. They could have played smarter defense, They
could have prevent themselves from turning over the basketball like
there were so many self inflicted wounds. They could have

(44:06):
stopped the charge to the free throw line that was
consistent throughout the fourth quarter. Sga was bottled up for
three quarters and then he had a brilliant fourth quarter.
You'd give him a ton of credit. He's the MVP
for a reason. But it just felt like the Pacers
really let one go that they potentially had dead to
rights middle of the third quarter. And so I'm gonna say,

(44:29):
you know, I guess worst best it was. It was
the best performance by Okac in the comeback, the worst
performance by the Pacers. If we're just comparing the two games.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
It's a good question. I think I think about it
two ways. The first way is Indiana was a bigger
favorite at that point. I think I'm not pretty sure
because it was much earlier in the game that the
Oilers were down. Right by the time we got to

(45:01):
the middle of the second period, the game was tied,
and so there wasn't it wasn't that late game push
like Oklahoma City had. They were down. I want to
say they were down ten in the fourth quarter. Okay, see,
I think that was the below. Like if I had
to look at the odds, I would guess and I
don't have this in front of me, I would guess

(45:23):
Oklahoma City was a bigger underdog. If you were just
saying which team was the biggest underdog at any point
in the game, I would say it was Oklahoma City.
But then I think about what Florida did to come
back down late, tied the game and the final what
like five seconds, and then still lost. That feels like

(45:46):
it's more debilitating in the long haul for me, at
least mentally to come like for Edmonton to be down
three zero and come back three to three. Okay, it
was early in the game, and then Edmonton took the
Florida tied it back up and then still lost the game.
Like to me, I think, if you're asking me which

(46:07):
game will have a bigger impact in Game five, we
were all in agreement. Game five was gonna go Oka
See no matter who won last night, even if they
were down three to one. In fact, if OKC was
down three to one, I would feel even more.

Speaker 4 (46:23):
Confident that they were gonna win Game five.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Now that they've done what they've done, I still feel
confident they will win Game five. But the zigzag that
would have been like a double zigzag if they would
have lost both three and four in Indiana, they would
have won Game five at home. The Edmonton Florida series,
now that one felt like each moment is magnified because
of how close that series really is. It was a

(46:47):
pick them going into the series. Edmonton got a slight
edge for being at home. They get the home ice.
But Ford, I think most people think they're the better team. Well,
now it's two two going back to Edmonton, best of
Edmond think gets two of them at home. Like that
series is just completely shifted now, whereas we even felt

(47:07):
comfortable thinking, okay, se could win three straight if they
were down three to one, but if Florida went up
three one, no, I think that would have been it.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Well, I think of this two ways also, but my
two ways differ from your two ways, Jared, which is
why this is a great question.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
Right, Yeah, I agree?

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Which loss was worse? You had the Florida Panthers up
three to nothing in Game four, they lose in overtime
or was it the Pacers they're up? I gotta look
at the play by play. I think they got up
by ten in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (47:36):
I think it was ten. I think that was the peak.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
And then the Pacers ended up losing. I think of it,
first off, just as Game four. If you look at
just Game four, I think the Florida Panthers loss was worse,
and I hear you, Jared, I don't know what the
odds would have been. Maybe you're right, Maybe the the
Thunder would have been a longer long shot to come
back and win with what they were facing the fourth

(48:00):
quarter last night than Edmonton when they're down three to nothing.
Edmonton had to be a healthy underdog trailing by three
goals problem right away, you know, so it'd be pretty close.
And I just think the way Game four went, when
you're up three to nothing in a Stanley Cup final game,

(48:22):
that should be a rap. I know, some crazy stuff
can happen, fine, but you're up three nothing and the
backup goalie is in there and you can't score that
freaking guy, right, Like I thought, just for Game four,
the Florida loss was worse, But I think the Game
four loss for the Pacers is worse if you think

(48:44):
about the series as a whole, because just look at
the betting odds. It's not all about betting, but it
does give you a gauge. Sure, look how much this differs.
OKC to win the series is minus six twenty five.
The Florida Panther to win their series minus one oh five.
So that means if you're backing Okay, see, you've got

(49:07):
a risk six hundred and twenty five dollars just to
win one hundred dollars. If you're backing the Panthers, you
get a risk one hundred and five dollars to win
one hundred dollars, far less risk. So the Panthers, if
you look at the series, they're in much better shape
sure than the Pacers are. Pacers are plus four fifty, right,

(49:32):
like the Panthers are minus one oh five. So you
put one o five on the Panthers instead you win
one hundred. You put that same money on the Pacers,
you're gonna be over four hundred and fifty dollars. I
all want to confuse you with all these numbers, and right,
it's just like Indiana is a much longer long shot
now that they've lost Game four than the Panthers are.

(49:53):
That's how I look at it.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Yeah, and I think that's maybe maybe I'm conflating things,
because I do think that I'm having a hard time
just focusing on the loss as opposed, and the comeback
for OKC as opposed, and what it means for their
destiny as opposed to just focusing on the moment. Look,
credit to Edmonton for having the stones to remove Skinner

(50:18):
and replace them for Picard and then also, you know,
for a backup goalie, for an alternate to come into
a game and not really be solved until the end
of the game. I mean, they couldn't get to them,
and then the shot chare for Edmonton skyrocketed. It felt
like after that first period, they settled down, they got

(50:40):
to the bench, they discussed things and went, hey, look,
we we just got have to put more pucks on
that if we're going to even have a shot at
this game. And uh and and obviously when you're your
your your goalie, when your guy and goal is having
a night like that, sometimes give him a rest. And
that's a tough decision to make as a coach because

(51:01):
I guess you could say you could make the argument
it couldn't go any worse, but in actuality it could have,
you know, And it worked out for them. In terms
of the Pacers, though, I don't really think that you
can look at the at OKAC and say Wow, they
did something really different in the fourth quarter, because they didn't.

(51:22):
The only thing that really changed was Sga got his Like,
at some point in every game against the Thunder, the
reigning MVP of the league is going to have his
way like you just I mean, he's going to get
his points. So whatever you got to do to limit

(51:42):
the damage around him, you've got to do that. And
I think that again, I think a lot of the
wounds for Okac leading to an inevitable comeback was a
result of self inflicted wounds. And I then think that
the reason why the Pacers let it go was self
inflicted wounds. It wasn't some major sea change and undercurrent

(52:04):
that pulled them out into deep order and they just
couldn't tread any longer like in the case of the Oilers.
I think this was I think this was truly the
Pacers had to win. They were holding it in their
hands and it turned to sand in it and it
slipped through their fingers. So I don't know that one
feels more detrimental. I do feel like it is more

(52:27):
humiliating the way the Panthers lost. We'll see how the
rest of the series shake out, but I think that
was a much more impactful moment series wise for the
Pacers than it was for the Panthers.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Yeah, so it looks like the Oilers were ten to
one when they were down three to zero. Wow, to
win that game. And I don't have the live odds
in front of me, but the highest win probability for
Indiana was up ten late third quarter, they were in
eighty nine point six percent win probability.

Speaker 5 (53:00):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So if I pull out my little odds calculator here
and I go eighty nine point six, God, I'm such
a nerd?

Speaker 2 (53:06):
Is that the new one?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Like?

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Does that replace the scientific calculators you had to have?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
If we got what was the name of the one
the T I T three, What was the name of
the one you had in high school?

Speaker 5 (53:17):
I forget what the name of it?

Speaker 4 (53:18):
Used to play games on it?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Eighty nine point six implied odds is minus eight sixty two.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
So Edmonton was the bigger underdog.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Good call Brian at ten to one, down three to
zero in the first period. And now, now to be fair,
to be fair, I don't know what the odds were right,
Like if you just took the straight up implied odds
from eighty nine point six percent win probability. It equals
minus eight sixty two odds. I don't know if that's
actually what was being offered. My guesses it was higher

(53:48):
because there might have been big involved, and especially when
you're doing a live bet, the juice, right, the tax
that the sports book is charging you is higher. Like
usually it's minus one ten for a regular bet, but
in the live market sometimes it's minus one fifteen.

Speaker 4 (54:01):
It's like the base odds.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
So my guess is probably around minus a thousand. Anyways,
they let's leave it at this.

Speaker 4 (54:06):
They both were really big underdogs. Yeah, they both were
really big.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Underdogs, and both of them won Crazy's. And again that
goes back if you listen to the top of the show.
This has been an awesome, fricking postseason for the NBA
and the NHL. You had in the last two nights
a three to zero game, go back to three to three,
then four to three, then four to four in the
final seconds, then overtime, and you had a team that

(54:32):
has been a historically good defensive team find their defense
in the fourth quarter, hold Indiana to seventeen points, the
race a ten point deficit late third quarter, and get
over the hump, and now I think we're all in
agreement in Oklahoma City's gonna win this NBA championship, and
rightfully so, because they've been the best team all year,
but they had to overcome major adversity. They've had their

(54:53):
backs against the wall twice. This has not been roses
and rainbows and sunshines and butterflies for this OKC team.
I know they've look that way at times. Down to
one to Denver on the road, down at half, pull
that game out and win, win the series in seven,
down to one at Indiana, down ten late third quarter,
pull that game out and win. And now I think,

(55:14):
as we say, with a big favorite, they're probably gonna
win the NBA title. Awesome postseason. Doesn't really matter which
game was more comeback, ye, but they both were freaking awesome.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
They really were. You talk about a one to two
combo right there. Both game fours off the charts, NHL, NBA.
It was sensational stuff. So if you're enjoying both, like
and that's legal, you can't You can't enjoy both. It
is it is I read the fine print. It is
legal to.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Do an overdose on comebacks in sports.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Right, cannot you just can't parlay him. You know, you
can't parlay the game for Edmonton comeback with the game
four OKC comeback. That's the shame of it all. What
if you wanted ten to one and ten to one
parlayed for who knows what that would be, right, We
can't do that. We can't suspend time. That's the unfortunate
drawback right there. All right, we've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State,

(56:08):
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Speaker 1 (57:04):
This follow the money, real good money.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Yes, we welcome in our good friend Seamus McGee, team
lead of sports Trading at BEDMGM. You know, Seamus, good
morning to you. I've got live betting on my mind.
So if you think of these game fours legendary stuff, right,
huge comeback by Edmonton and Game four, huge comeback by
OKC in game four. If you give us a glimpse

(57:30):
into the BEDMGM live betting portfolio, right, like, how much
money line underdog money.

Speaker 5 (57:39):
Do you see?

Speaker 2 (57:40):
You see people just like I'm taking OKC. Man, I'm
taking Edmonton. They're down three to nothing. This is the
perfect time to strike. How much underdog money do you
see compared to favorite money where people are like, yeah,
I gotta lay a lot to win a little. But
there's no way Florida is losing this game. No way
that the Pacers are losing this game, How does that
break down for you guys?

Speaker 6 (58:03):
That was good to be back. Yeah, it's a bit
of a mixed bag. I'd say really depends on the game.
I'd say you've probably seen more of it in hockey.
You know, the classic saying you're worstle in hockey's two
goals and now maybe three goals the way the game's
going in the past few years. But just you know basketball,
last night, we actually did pretty well in play on

(58:24):
the on the game last night, so that was good
to see. So it really depends on the game. It
kind of like footfalls a lot whether people you know basketball,
I think a lot of people will, you know, see
how the game's going and they'll lay a number on
the spread. But you know, it depends on the team.
Like the Pacers, I feel like whenever their dad, we'll
start to see a lot of money on them in
play some of the crazy comebacks they've had. So I

(58:45):
guess it really is kind of a mixed bag. You
think you can expect what you see. I think hockey
is a little more predictable which way the money is
going to go.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah, it's funny. We just we just did a segment
on that, you know, which was the greater comeback or
I guess maybe which was the bigger uh, the bigger
lapse between Okay, see Indiana Game four and Florida Edmonton
Game four. I'll present that same question you because I
think we were all kind of on different sides of it,
like which game was more detrimental to that team's hopes
of winning that perspective series, was it Florida blowing the

(59:14):
three to er leader or the Pacers coughing up that
double digit deficit in the second half.

Speaker 6 (59:20):
I really want to lean Pacers here just because it
you know, the hockey, it feels close, but like the Pacers,
if they went up three to one, I just feel
like it's just gonna be way harder to come back
in basketball than it is in hockey, especially if you know,
the Pacers have a chance to close it out in
Game six at home if they were up three to one.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
And like the Panthers, they are no strangers to the
Oilers coming back. I mean, you remember they heard three
to er last year and they went to Game seven.
So I I lean Pacers was more detrimental to their
to their championship. Look, and you can see them on
the odds the way they moved after the game.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
Where's the PubL money going and where's the sharp money
going ahead of Game five after that furious comeback for Okse.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
So right now it's actually gotten a little bit more
balanced as the you know, as the games have progressed before,
you know, the start the series, we're seeing a lot
of love for like the Pacers money line, and then
it kind of flipped back to the Thunder because you know,
they had to win that game. Then Pacers money came
in for Game three, and then we actually had a
really good night. A lot of people expected to at
least that on the Pacers to go up three to one.

(01:00:29):
So right now it's a little early. You know, we
got two days before Game five, so it's about split
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
You know, shame is besides getting to a Game seven,
which is obvious. Is there anything that bet MGM would
like to see in the NBA and the NHL playoffs?

Speaker 6 (01:00:49):
NHL, we'd like to see the Panthers with this series.
The Oilers are a pretty small loser on the futures
book right now, so I think we'd rather see Florida
win the Stanley Cup. But the NBA was it was
a crazy you know, few days leading up to the finals.
We took you know, a few heavy bets on the
Thunder series price to win this, which really brought down

(01:01:12):
a lot of our Pacers liability. So right now it's
looking pretty good to the point where like Pacers winning
is actually almost preferable now, the Thunder winning. It's crazy
how it turns out. It's just how much money comes
in the days leading up to the championship series is
really on full display here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Yeah, that is wild, especially because I think going into
the series, nobody thought Indiana had a chance, and and
now we thought maybe they had a chance, and now
maybe they don't. We do have a game tonight, and
I know we have a couple of days until the
next NBA game, but we do have a hockey game tonight,
and I think the side is priced correctly because I mean,

(01:01:47):
not a lot separating these two teams. You just give
the Edmonton you know, home eyes, and that's why they're
a slight favorite. But the totals intriguing to me. Shame
is I think at some point I got some point.
We saw it happen multiple times in the Standing Cup
Finals last year, especially later in the series, and I
would say Game five, later in the series, We've got
to have an under at some point, Like these games
have just been goals, goals, goals, overs, overs, overs, a

(01:02:07):
lot of money coming in on the over. Tonight is
tonight the night we finally get that two to one,
three to two nail biter, even though all the games
have been nail biers. But is tonight the night we
finally see it under?

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
I mean, we open this six and a half under
minus one fifteen. It did get that down to minus
one twenty. But I can't trust any that I would
make on an under in this series. There's just so
much firepower and you never know what's Stuart Skinner you're
gonna get in goal or even the card for Edmonton.
So I mean, your best bet is you hope Lebrowski

(01:02:40):
just you know, stands on his head and keeps out,
you know, McDavid in dry sidle. So I don't know's
it's a really tough ball to want to bet an under,
but you you are right at some point you think
there's some regression to the meaning here.

Speaker 5 (01:02:53):
It does feel a kind of a two horse race
in terms of the finals. MVP in the NBA. But
is there a dark horse you like?

Speaker 6 (01:03:01):
I really like the loud Dort After the first few games,
like he just pretty miss it felt like, but now
it does. It's hard for me to kind of find
a dark horse right now. I think, you know, Siakam
had a pretty decent game last night, even though they lost.
I think maybe if he really really makes a push
for it, he could have a shout. But it really
does feel like it's going to be either Shay or Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
You know, Seamus before we get to the Seamous special,
a bonus question because I know you're all excited for
Nixon Bricks right the Knicks and did the same day
the Indy five hundred. What is up with your New
York Knicks right now?

Speaker 5 (01:03:36):
My friend?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
What's going on there?

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Everyone's freaking out about the coaching search. I'm not really that.
I'm not like Brett level Midnight yet about the coaching search.
They're just asking teams if we interview your coach, and
of course they're all really good coaches. They're asking interview.
They're all saying no, So I don't mind them doing that.
They're the only team right now. It feels like looking
for a coach. I really feel like the you know,
the failed shape if they can't get someone they really

(01:04:00):
want is the assistant on staff Johnny Bryant, who is
a shortlist for the Sun's job before. I really don't
want Mike Brown kind of over him, but I could
live with Taylor Jenkins, like, I think that's worth a
shot if Yeah, there's interest there. But I'm not worried yet.
I mean, they've just been asking people who already have jobs,

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and the teams just don't want to let their coach go.
And for good reason.

Speaker 5 (01:04:26):
I am.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I'm disappointed by your you know, your very uh you know,
modest very, you know, like, let's see, you're too rational.

Speaker 6 (01:04:35):
Leon Rose has a plan. I will follow that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
Man, does he does he? Do you really think that?

Speaker 5 (01:04:44):
Who know?

Speaker 6 (01:04:45):
Look at where we were before. I remember when Steve
Mills was here and it was just awesome. This man
is single handedly getting fifty win season's home court in
the playoff series run to the East Finals. I'm sad
it's see TIBs go, but I understood kind of like
what the thinking was. It does feel like maybe this
is the ceiling for TIBs. But it was tough to

(01:05:08):
see him go. We didn't love them here.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
I agree with that take. The problem was, if you're
going to let him go, you got to have someone
ready to hire, and it doesn't seem like they have
that situation worked out.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
That's the issue.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
It's not the firing, it's the plan after the firing
that I take issue with.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
I think they were a little worried that Brian would
leave to go to Phoenix, so they said, okay, well
let go of Tibbs, reach for the stars. You know,
Jason Knda and Quinn Snyder. I saw those get out
and if not, we'll interview some other guys coming around
here and then if all else sales, we do have
a guy that's already on the bench, so there's a

(01:05:46):
sense of continuity there. But yeah, we'll see. I mean,
the next interviewed like twenty coaching candidates before they even
landed on Tibbs. The last hiring round Star, I expect
them to be pretty thorough.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
I don't know if Quinn Snyder is the Stars or
like then the emergency like uh, you know, stale ramen noodles,
so you need a meal one of the two.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
I don't know. That's a weird one. I think Putsire's
a really good coach. But that's I For some reason,
I just have that in my head. Bull me crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I don't know. Billy Donovan was the one where I
was like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Yeah? Well yeah, all right, well we've uh, we've delayed
it long enough. Here Seamus, what is the Shamus Special today?

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
Buddy?

Speaker 6 (01:06:31):
All right, I'm gonna need you guys to hang with
me here.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
Just follow.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I'll speak slowly for this one. So last year we
had the Euros. Of course in soccer, it was a
great tournament. This year we have the under twenty one
Euros happening right now in Slovakia and at Nude we
have Spain versus Romania. We are going to take the
first half over one and a half goals. Wow, Okay,

(01:06:56):
don't don't ask that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
I don't ask. I just bet it's just Bain Romania
under twenty one euros first half.

Speaker 4 (01:07:04):
Over one and that half.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
Oh my god, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Sometimes I love the explanation of you know what, just
roll with it, just let's know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
Yeah, I just want to open you guys up to
the There's a whole wide sports out there, a lot things.

Speaker 3 (01:07:21):
You can find we're gonna go the under eighteen route
next week. There, sure, very nice.

Speaker 6 (01:07:25):
We'll keep getting younger under eighteen year olds is also happening.
It will stick with the under twenty ones maybe some
players that are actually in some of the big leads.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
All right, seamous great stuff as always, buddy, Hope you
have a good Saturday. We'll catch you soon.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
Thanks, guys, have a good one you too.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
There he is great.

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(01:08:31):
should be. As the Thunder pull out a huge Game
four win, you know what I was thinking about when
we were talking to Seamus about Tibbs. You know, it
would be hilarious. I hope this happens. I hope that
there's breaking news and a leading candidate has emerged for
the head coaching job of the Knicks and it's Tom Thibodeaux.

(01:08:54):
That would be beautiful. It's like, you know what, what
they're discussing, a thirty million dollar contract tips culture right, like,
certainly sets the culture. There's no doubt there are a
lot of things to like about the guy. We know
it's not gonna happen, but that would be hilarious if
they just completely backtracked and they're like, all right, you know,

(01:09:14):
we we broke up. I looked if the grass was greener.
Turns out it wasn't. I mean, let's just let's just
make this work, right, So I'm selfishly rooting for even
though it won't happen. So Aaron Rodgers is married. Huh, guys,
apparently this freaking guy I I don't know who is

(01:09:37):
advising Rogers. I'm hoping someone's advising Rogers to just be
as unlikable as possible. I hope that's the case. If
they're like, hey, man, if you want to be unlikable,
do it this way, and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
and then he does it that way. That's the only
reasonable explanation for him. Like he's signing his contract with
the Steelers and literally he almost has his ring finger

(01:10:00):
up to the camera in the air, like yo, check
it out, like the ring fingers up in the used
right exactly, and then he's just, hey, so are you
married Rogers? You married Rogers? You're married, Yeah, a couple
of months ago. Yeah. He loves it. He loves you know,

(01:10:20):
like setting the stage and everybody's all interested. And then
he's like, I'm casual, cool Rogers. He is such a jackass.
I cannot describe how much of a jackass he is.
He's reached a new high in the jackass meter. He's
off the freaking charts now.

Speaker 5 (01:10:39):
I'll say this, you know, just speaking from like the standpoint,
and it's very different for a quarterback than it is
for an offensive lineman in the NFL, But speaking from
the standpoint of you know, being pressed into you know,
having to speak to the media every day and uh
and and being around guys who are asked the same

(01:11:01):
questions over and over and over again. I can't even
imagine what it must be like for a player of
his caliber, for as long as he's played, to deal
with sometimes great questions that are really pursuing a deeper
level of interest in the game or interest in the person.

(01:11:22):
And then also kind of, almost paradoxically, in the same room,
during the same media scrum, answer question from somebody who
may not even belong in the room, you know, may
have gotten credentialed because they know somebody or there's somebody's nephew,
and they ask the dumbest question you've ever heard. And

(01:11:44):
you have to answer both of these questions not only
as if you're interested, but you know, like pretend that
the value is the same, and that is really difficult
to uphold. So there is a part of me that
I agree with you, Brian, Like I really do agree
with you, Like there are things that he does specifically
that sign of kind of grind my gears. But at

(01:12:06):
the same time, like there's a bigger part of me
that's like good Man you know what, I'm happy that
one of us is out there, I mean, like the
fraternity of football players, just speaking his mind, being who
he is, whether you agree with him or not. And
trust me, I don't agree with everything he says or does.

(01:12:27):
And because it's almost freeing in a way to see
somebody be free, you know, because I truly don't think
he really cares what Brian Know or Jared Smith or
Rich Hornberger former player broadcaster, or any newswriter, reporter, or
any you know, talking head on any of these sports
networks say about him. I honestly don't think he really cares.

(01:12:50):
And if he does, I then it does kind of
feel like he's living in a gilded prison. But it
appears that he doesn't care, and that I don't know,
there's something kind of unique and refreshing about that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:03):
I agree one hundred percent. I've said this on the
show before. Again, if you've been listening to this show
for several years that we've been doing it, I've been
critical of Aaron, as I've been critical of many people.
It's actually one of the things that I've learned about
myself over the last few years doing this show and
doing other shows like it is that the more that
I'm critical of the players and the coaches, which is

(01:13:24):
our job. We're doing our job, the less I care
when other people, and it does happen, are critical of me.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Cause it's like turn about his fair play.

Speaker 5 (01:13:34):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
If I'm going to stand up here and say Aaron
Rodgers should do this and this and this on the field,
off the field, whatever, I should be comfortable and not
care if other people are going to say, well that Jared,
he made a terrible pick the other day. His analysis
of this game was terrible. This guy's an idiot. Like,
you just have to have that level of nonchalantness. I
don't know if that's the word nonchalant. Nonchalants, Yeah, there

(01:13:55):
you go, there you go. Here're figuring it out on
the fly here on Saturday morning. You just have to
have that level of care free And I think that's
like when I watched Rogers give that interview and the
reporter asked, hey, you married, He's like yeah, and that
was it. I did a little research. Apparently he's been
dating this girl for a few months. December twenty twenty

(01:14:16):
four is when he first revealed that he was dating
a girl named Brittany it was on the McAfee show,
and I don't want to get into the details of
his personal life.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
I think we've reached a point in his career where
the only thing that matters now is what happens on
the field. There was a time when the off field
stuff mattered a lot, especially with the Packers. I think
with the Jets people just expected a circus. Now in Pittsburgh,
the only thing that matters is wins and losses. Like

(01:14:47):
I think, at this point in his career, all the
other stuff. We know he's a little bit quirky. We
know he likes. He's got weird you know, thoughts on aliens.
By the way, I do too, Like go look at
the Pyramids and Giza. Those weren't built by humans. We
can get into that at another time. But I so
I agree with a lot of the weird stuff that
Aaron has to say, but I also disagree at this
point though. The only thing I care about from an

(01:15:07):
analysis standpoint is how he meshes on the field and
how many wins the Steelers have in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Okay, super super fast. I agree with rich a bit,
and I completely disagree with him at the same time.
So like, I agree that Aaron Rodgers doesn't specifically care
about what Jared Smith or Rich Hornberger Ortenberger, or what
myself has to say about him. But the weird twist
is he cares about attention as a whole. True, and

(01:15:36):
within that, there's Jared Smith, there's rich Hoornberger, there's myself
right within that. So it's weird. He doesn't care about individuals,
but he sure does care about the collective. And that's
what's strange about him, Like, don't tell me you don't
care about attention and then do things that are directly
attention seeking behavior. I don't care about attention. Here's a

(01:15:57):
shirtless selfie that I'm posting online. It's like, bro, you
care about attention, don't act like you don't. That's what's
so disingenuous about Aaron Rodgers. Got all right, soapbox over, rant,
quick and painless. Hopefully we've got Rich Ronberger, Penn State
All American, Jared Smith FSR betting analyst. I'm Brian know
Aaron Rodgers doesn't care about us individually, cares about us collectively.

(01:16:19):
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All right, let's do this prop it up. The player plays,

(01:17:04):
all right, the prop betting market, Jared, we give you
first dibbs. Where are you taking us?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
Good sir, Well, I'm going to take you to a
direction that I've taken you many times before. It's been
relatively profitable this postseason. It's Jalen Williams over four and
half assist. I feel like I've given this out like
three straight lead.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
You love it?

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Yeah, dude, I love this problem and he's gone under
in two straight games, so we're getting a little bit
of a discount. And I think the reason I watched
that entire game start to finish those to toads last night,
I counted at least three situations where Jalen Williams set
up a perfect pass and the shot was wide open
and it was a break. So again, I think a
lot of this is dependent on not only Jalen Williams's

(01:17:41):
ability to distribute, but also the players he's passing to
their ability to hit these shots. Now that the scene
shifts back to OKC role players in general, just shooters
I think will shoot better at home. So Jalen Williams
over four and a half assists. It has gone over
in fourteen of the first seventeen until the last two
that he's gone on.

Speaker 4 (01:18:00):
I think he goes over in game five.

Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
All right, give me Tyrese Haliburton, who's averaged eighteen and
a half better than eighteen and a half points per
game of these playoffs, including a twenty two point Game
three and an eighteen point Game four we saw just
last night. He's been consistent. He's gonna find room to
attack off the pick and roll the numbers set at
sixteen and a half per game five. I think that's

(01:18:24):
a conservative point projection considering how good he's been, especially
in this series. Give me the over sixteen and a
half for Albert.

Speaker 2 (01:18:32):
Okay, I'm gonna go to punk On. You give me
a Corey Perry over there with the Oilers. I'll take
his shots on goal over one.

Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
And a half.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
That's at minus a dollar twenty so far this series,
you go each game two shots on goal, followed by three,
followed by five, followed by four. Now, some of those
are overtime games. No, it's not setting Stone. We're getting
another overtime game. But consist over all series long, this
is what Edmonton does. They get a ton of shots

(01:19:04):
on goal. Bob has been amazing. I've been riding Bbrovskis
to the Promised Land just taking his saves prop over.
But you gotta pay a tax. Now, you gotta pay
double tax. Really, it's inflated to twenty seven and a
half saves and then there's juice on top of that.
So I'm looking for another way to go, sort of

(01:19:26):
play the Bob saves instead of going with Bob saves. Yeah,
give me a Edmonton shots on goal and specifically Corey
Perry over one and a half. That's what I'll go with.

Speaker 3 (01:19:37):
I like it. I like it, so it's it's a
really good point about how you have to keep an eye,
especially in these playoff series that are long, and I
think both of these series are gonna go at least
six games. I think NHL is the Champons to go seven.
You have to be willing to ride the wave. And
what do I mean by that, Like the Jaylen Williams thing,
the saves thing, like what Brian's talking about. You like

(01:19:58):
something and then you get priced out of it, don't
chase it. There's other things for you to look at.
You have to show that discipline when you're in this
prop market. There's so many prompts. If something moves considerably
up or down, you have to be willing to buy
or sell just based off the number, because what's really
the difference between one game to the next. Same theme.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, it's tough too, because you're like, it's one more saved, right,
It's like that that could mean a loss? Yeah, all right,
comeing up next? Does this team run it back?

Speaker 6 (01:20:29):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Good morning, happy Saturday to you. The original adjustment was unneeded.
But the readjustment, Oh it paid dividends. We'll get to
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get to the double Big lineup. You know you got

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to use your your you know, like your Randy Blig
Lamb of God singing Double Big lineup. So it was
such a stupid adjustment to start this series where Mark Dagnall,
the OKC head coach, is like, you know what, why
don't we start Caseen Wallace and just get out rebounded
by seventeen in game one? Instead of going with Chet

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Holmgren and Isaiah Hartenstein. Let's just change it up for
game one. And it didn't work out, and they stuck
with it for the first three games. They reverted back
in Game four last night to the original double big lineup,
and it worked out. They're what plus ten in the
rebounding category, So you'd have to assume it's gonna be

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the same old stuff. It's gonna be Game five, it's
gonna be the same starting lineup as Game four. I'm
just surprised it took this long to revert back because
it just didn't work out, and I thought it was
an unnecessary adjustment. You're supposed to dictate terms. You're the
team that's been historically great, best point differential of any
team in the history of the NBA, and you're adjusting

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before game one even tips off. It was just weird.
But he figured it out finally, and I thought it
paid dividends. Last night. You saw a big offensive rebound
in crunch time with both bigs on the floor where
Hertenstein tipped it out to Holmgrin and he tipped it
out to SGA and they got some points off of
that offensive rebound. So I think it's helped. I'm just

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surprised he adjusted before game one.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Yeah. Yeah, we talked about this last week and what
I said holds to this moment, which is, you know,
when you switch up your strategy. Sometimes you'll do it
prior to a game, prior to a series in this case,
or sometimes you'll do it midstream. Sometimes it'll be in football,

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the sport. I came from going the tunnel at halftime,
head to the locker room, get on the whiteboard. This
is working, this isn't working. We're going to tweak some
things in the second half. Sometimes those tweaks are things
you've done and their routine and their rote and you
have a lot of experience doing them. Sometimes you're getting
a little experimental, and I think that really depends on

(01:23:30):
how desperate the times are. There's no desperation early in
a series. So it was just such a like, such
an odd decision. I'm glad that OKAC settled in and
they looked at the situation and said, hey, you know,
we kind of got to dance with the date we
brought to the prom here, which is we've got these

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two bigs. They're rim protectors, they obviously add some offensive prowess.
Let's keep our foot to the pedal here and play
thunder basketball. And it's worked. I think it's it's probably
going to be the lineup in alignment you're going to
see the rest of the way and you know, Okay, yeah,

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you know you could lose, there's no doubt about it.
But it almost feels like I'd rather lose that way
if you want to look at it in terms of
worst case scenario, if you lose this series, which way
are you going to look back and regret less? And
I think the plan they're currently employing is the one
that they would regret less.

Speaker 3 (01:24:35):
Yeah, we talked about this last week. I remember I
did the DJ kalled impression you played yourself because it
just it just didn't make sense. It didn't just like
why you were a historically good team rolling through the playoffs.
You won the Western Conference Finals in five games with
this lineup. You slayed the Dragon Nikole Ayolkich with this

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line up, and then you faced a lesser team by
all accounts, by the market, accounts, by every you know,
pundit expert in Okay, so he's going to roll in
this series. Okay, see in five? Okay, see in five?
And what did you do in game one? He just
completely changed everything because of I don't know, some on
off number that maybe caught you off guard. Here's what

(01:25:22):
I know. Having two bigs in the NBA is a
rarity these days, so much so that we consider this lineup, which,
by the way, I know it's two bigs, but it's
a power forward.

Speaker 5 (01:25:33):
In a center.

Speaker 3 (01:25:34):
That's what it is. Hartenstein's the center. Homegroom's the power forward, right,
a little more of the little more of the wing player.
Hartenstein's the big bulk muscle. That's just a normal lineup
in the NBA. Why would you go away from that? Oh,
you're worried about Indiana running up and down and you
have the advantage. You're the best team, you're the favorite.

(01:25:55):
Make them adjust, And I think Dagnall eventually came around.
He did. I'm just curious, Like I wanted to be
in the room when they decided this. It's kind of
like the same people in the room the meatball sub
with the next coaching search. Yeah, Like it's just like
I want, I want to be a fly on the wall.
When Dagnault comes into the room, it's like, all right, guys,

(01:26:16):
I've got this crazy idea. You know, this awesome lineup
that's gotten us all the way to the finals in
a historic run. Yeah, we're gonna throw that out before
Game one, before we even put the ball in the
air for the first game and we're gonna do something different, Like,
I bet the assistants were like, see hi, Like is
he taken what Aaron Rodgers was taking in the desert

(01:26:37):
during his darkness retreat? Like, what's going on here? Cooler heads,
sanity prevailed.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
Yeah, it's funny. I wonder if I would love to
have heard those conversations me too, where I wonder if
dag Nault brought it up and nobody checked him. They're
just like yes, man, likeah, yeah, let's roll with that.
And now Dagnault thinks, why didn't you guys tell me no.

Speaker 5 (01:27:01):
That all about?

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
But you know you mentioned DJ Khalid he was over
there the other night at the Stanley Cup final. Yeah,
it's always better. They always spruce his stuff up. We
need DJ Khalen for Game five of the NBA Finals here,
you know, the man in demand. Okay, So if you
look at Game five in the series as a whole
in the NBA, we'll look at the NHL as well.

(01:27:25):
But if you look at the NBA from here on out,
it feels is it an overreaction to you or is
it an appropriate reaction? Where it just feels like, okay, okay, see,
they scaled the mountain last night, they got over the hump,
they got Game four, it's tied, best of three series. Okay,
see has home court pacers are toast. It just feels

(01:27:49):
like most people are thinking that do you think rich
that their chances are that bad going forward? Like no chance?
Know how for the Pacers. I don't know that it
goes that far for them.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
I don't think so. I think okay, see, as we
saw in Game four, they they they have some issues.
You know, they're there, their shooters go cold, their defensive
structure at times gets a little slippery. Things get away
from them. I I this isn't even series for good reason.

(01:28:22):
It's and it's not just because OKAC isn't following the
script perfectly. It's also because Indiana is a solid basketball team,
I mean, and every step of the way they have
overcome adversity. I think that's a part of this conversation
that's usually missing when we talk about sports because it's
a very data driven zeitgeist that we live in. Everybody

(01:28:46):
loves numbers. They're available to us at all times. We
now have artificial intelligence using algorithms and and verbal and
visual patterns to help us understand things better better. But
this is this is a human interaction. At the end
of the day. You have guys who have a bad
night's sleep and wake up and have a bad day shooting.

(01:29:09):
You have guys who, you know, get into an argument
with their girlfriend or their fiance or their wife the
you know, the night before the game or the day
of the game, and you know, or and maybe not
even specifically like personal issues, but like you also just
have nights where, like all human beings, you just feel off.

(01:29:29):
You can't shake a funk. Maybe that was the case
for SGA in Game four until the fourth quarter when
he finally snapped out of it. You know, tiredness can
be a factor. There are so many different factors. It's
a human game. And so when I look at the
team that's been more battle tested, when I look at
the team that expectations have been lower and they've seemed

(01:29:50):
to exceed them time and time again through this playoff run,
that is the Indiana Pacers. And so here they are.
They've leveled out the ser Nobody really expected them to
be here. And I don't want to say they're playing
with house money because I know, Brian know who literally throws.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
I'll come after.

Speaker 5 (01:30:11):
But when you when you have when you have a
little bit less to lose, when you can be a
little bit more cavalier, when there is this feeling of like,
you know what, we're gonna lay it all out on
the line. You should anyways, but it's a little bit
easier to humiliate yourself trying your hardest when you're the

(01:30:31):
unexpected underdog who's taking haymaker swings at the already crown champion.
When when you're starting this series the okay, see thunder
that that that place that the Pacers are in, that's
a really good mental age if they take advantage of it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
The Cleveland Cavalier. Maybe how about that Cavalier. Now that
this has been I'm trying to think back and I
do were called because I was looking at this the
other day. There has been there has been a relatively
recent year where we've had both NBA and NHL championship
series go the distance. Can any of you guess which

(01:31:13):
year it was?

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
Without which year they both went the distance, both.

Speaker 3 (01:31:16):
Went seven games. Both NBA and NHL Stanley Cup Final
NBA finals both went seven games.

Speaker 5 (01:31:22):
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
We all we all were alive for it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:28):
Barely, but we all were alive for it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Okay, man, that's uh yeah, I don't know off the
top of my head. You know, I couldn't tell you
We're going.

Speaker 3 (01:31:40):
Four Knicks Rockets Rangers come out? How about that? They
both involved New York teams too. It was also the
year that was also the crazy If you guys remember
that thirty for thirty with OJ, that was the same
situation during that Knicks Rockets game that the OJ Bronco
Chase was happening.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
But just a weird year. Ninety four it was an
awesome year for me. I was eight years old.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
I got to watch my favorite team, the Range. I
was a big I was actually a bigger hockey fan
growing up than I was basketball fan. I kind of
switched gears a little bit in college, more so to
the basketball game, but hockey was my go to. I
played goalie. I was big Mike Richler fan. So that
ninety four year was awesome. But this has been just
an incredible year for and I think both series have

(01:32:25):
a chance to go seven. I think one of the
two probably will. I don't think the NBA one will.
But on the NHL side, like that house money vibe,
there is no house money in that series. There's just
money period. Like these teams are just scrapping and clawing
and gouging eyeballs out to get across the finish line.

(01:32:48):
And I think Edmonton has the edge. I do, and
I don't think it's a big edge. I think it's
the runner up theory on full display. What's the runner
up theory? I developed this theory in twenty fifteen. I
was fortunate enough to cover the Mets Royals World Series
that year covering local news in New York City, and
the year prior the Royals loss to the Giants in
Game seven, Madison Bumgardner went crazy at Kansas City's field.

(01:33:13):
The Royals lost the World Series in Game seven, and
I remember interviewing the Royals players before the series started,
and I remember it wasn't me, but another reporter asked
about that series, what did it feel like to watch
the Giants win the World Series on your turf? And
I remember the looks in the player's eyes when they
were describing the feeling, and I was like, yeah, they're

(01:33:34):
not going to let that happen again. And they won
the series in five games. It was not very co
it was actually the first couple games were close, but
then the Royals kind of pulled away late. That's how
I feel about the Oilers in this series. That's how
I felt about the Panthers last year after going to
Vegas and losing, they came back the next year and one.
I think that's the edge I see for Edmonton in

(01:33:54):
this series. It's not a big edge, but it's that
runner up theory. After watching the Anthers hoist the Cup
in Game seven last year, I think Edmonton's got that
just slight edge. So house money, no, but runner up theory, yes. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
It's kind of funny because Rick Carlisle, the Pacers head coach,
he looks at a best of seven series like different
chapters in a book, like they're completely separate chapters. And
I think that's even more so in hockey right where
you think Florida lost this gut wrenching Game four, they

(01:34:30):
had a three to zero lead, they got it to overtime,
then they lost that. They found a way to lose
in overtime on their home ice, and you think, oh man,
that's just so draining, and in hockey it's just like, no, man,
throw your stuff on, let's gear up for Game five.

Speaker 5 (01:34:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
I feel like it's even less so in hockey, where
there's more of a tendency in the NBA Finals, where
the previous game might have a bigger impact on the
next game. I feel like hockey, it's like, bro, we
started zero zero literal for the next game, and there's
not that much carryover from the previous one. I'll say this,

(01:35:07):
I think the tricky thing about betting and in the
NBA Finals this is on display. I don't think at
this stage, okay sheet OKAC should be this healthy of
a favorite to win the series. They're minus six twenty five,
minus six twenty five. They are overwhelming favorites to win

(01:35:27):
this series. It's I don't think they should be that
huge of a favorite. I get that they should be favored.
They'd be the best team all season, and that was
the game to get for the Pacers. You're at home
game four, okay See, can't buy a three and you
let it slip away. I don't think Oka See should
be favored by this much. But in order to bet

(01:35:49):
the Pacers, you have to, in my opinion, truly believe
there is a very legitimate shot that they win the series,
and I don't believe that. It's like you're caught in between.
I don't think OKAC should be favored by this much.
But I can't run to the betting window and bet
the Pacers because I don't believe there's a very legitimate

(01:36:11):
shot that they're gonna win this series. Is there a shot? Sure, yeah,
but very legitimate.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:36:17):
So it's like, all right, that's a non play, Like
that sucks. I want to take advantage of a line
that I think is off, But as far as who
wins the series, I don't think there is a way
to play that.

Speaker 8 (01:36:30):
Yeah, I'm having a heart like again, and it's an
even series, so it's very easy to get sort of
lost in the minutia of like falling in love with
a side.

Speaker 5 (01:36:42):
But I'll say some nice things about the Thunder and
then I'll say some nice things about the Indiana Pacers,
because there are really good aspects of both of these teams.
You know, Sga at home has been one of the
most potent scorers of the postseason. He plays like an
MVP in front of his OKC crowd. They play smothering

(01:37:02):
defense as a team they have balanced secondary scoring. When
they're calling players off the bench, they contribute, and that's
what you need. You need guys who can sit and
then they can rise to the occasion and make shots.
But then you look at the Pacers and you say, look,
they've been pretty dominant at home too through the course

(01:37:23):
of the postseason, and that's going to play into an
advantage in this series. And then you look at Haliburton
and you see his playmaking ability and his clutch playmaking
ability in several series, in several games already this postseason.
And then you want to talk about bench step, but
also the tactical deployment of that bench from Carlisle. He

(01:37:45):
makes substitutions in good moments like we haven't yet in
the Battle of the head coaches really given the edge
to Okay, see this entire series so far because Rick
Carlisle has really felt like he's called mostly the right
shots so far. So Look, it's a great series. These

(01:38:08):
are the right teams facing off against each other. I
don't think anybody wanted this series. It's kind of like
the series we didn't know we needed we're getting and
I hope it goes to seven because I'm legitimately enjoying it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:22):
Yeah, what Brian just described is why gambling is so hard.
Like that, that's it right there. Everyone watching this series
knows Indiana's got a puncher's chance because they just they're
like that prize fighter at the last end of his
career that's got one good punch left. Like, you know,

(01:38:44):
they've got a puncher's chance to win Game five. But
we don't think they're gonna win Game five. We think
Oklahoma City's gonna win Game five. So it's one thing
to think it could happen, but it's another thing to
actually risk your hard earned dollars on it. That's why
I love gambling. Because all I've heard all week, for

(01:39:05):
the last two weeks since Indiana one Game one, this
has been the prevailing take on the average talking head
show about basketball or sports in general. The Pacers are undervalued,
team of Destiny, underrated, feisty underdog. That's great, then go

(01:39:26):
bet them. All I've heard for the last two weeks
Pacers are undervalued. Guess what this team that's the Team
of Destiny. Last night, you could have bet them at
two to one to win the series. The Team of
Destiny plus two hundred to win the series. Well, now
you can get them at a much bigger price. But
it just feels like a lot of the people that

(01:39:46):
do this for a living don't understand that there is
a way for you to back up your opinion with
your hard earned cash. That's why I love and respect
any show that not only gives their opinions but also
gives their bet their bets, and they're wagers because they're
actually gonna back up their opinion with their money. I
can't bet, okay, see, I can't bet Indiana to win

(01:40:07):
this series. And and you're you're you're definitely right, Brian, Like,
there's a there's a puncher's chance, but I don't think
they can get it done.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
I mean they're plus three thirty three to win in
Game five. They're gonna be two to one in Game six,
just like they were last night when they go back home,
and it'll be another plus three hundred, plus three fifty
underdog in Game seven. They have to win two of
those games in order to win the series as a
two to one underdog at home and a plus three
hundred or longer underdog on the road. I just I

(01:40:36):
just don't see it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:38):
Yeah, it's gonna be tough. The counter to that is
they've done it in this series already, right, but it's
gonna be tough for in you know, five through seven.
If there is a seven, might be five through six.
We'll see, all right. We've got rich Oronberger, Penn State
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Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
You can load up on whatever you want. Okay. So
this is a stat that was crazy to me. So
I keep track of all these prop bets in the
NBA Finals, So BETMGM puts out all these props for
player points, player assists, rebounds, three point shots.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:24):
I don't keep track of the combo stats because they're
within these individual stats, but I track all of them,
and so it stood out to me. If you look
at OKC, all right, they have thirty four individual player
prop bets that are offered by BETMGM for Game four

(01:42:45):
last night. So of these thirty four, they were their
record collectively was nine and twenty five to the over. Wow,
And they won that game, like no one's going over
their stuff. They had three guys go over their point total,

(01:43:05):
two guys went over their assist total, three guys went
over rebounding totals. No one went over their three point props. Nobody,
nobody for OKC, And it makes sense they didn't share
the ball. Their assist numbers were down. Chet Holmgren had
fifteen rebounds, so it wasn't like a group effort rebounding

(01:43:26):
game and they couldn't hit a three. They went nine
and twenty five to the over in individual player props
and they still won that game. That is crazy. Good
luck finding another instance of that happening.

Speaker 5 (01:43:41):
Yeah, I mean you won't, you really won't. You know.
I played multiple sports growing up, basketball being one of them,
and I'll kind of work around the horn and talk
about like the fundamentals that keep you afloat in games
where things aren't working out for you. I played lacrosse,
and anybody in this country who played lacrosse at any
level knows that ground balls are the most important stat.

(01:44:04):
It's like one of those one of those lesser thought
about stats. But when the ball hits the ground, the
team that has more ground balls and it's a stat
that not even every team really keeps. That's a team
that's gonna win because, look, there are checks that lead
to loose balls, there are miscatches, you know, shots on

(01:44:24):
net that bounce off a post. The team that has
the highest amount of effort gathering up those second chance possessions,
they're typically gonna have better results in lacrosse. In football,
it always felt like it came back to the run game.
If you can control the line of scrimmage, it didn't
matter how flying of high flying of an offense you

(01:44:44):
are facing against. If you could win the battle in
the trenches and you can win the run game, you
could control the tempo of the game, and you could
exert your will on even the best receiver trio that
you're facing against. You could slow the pace of a
game as long as you can control the line of scrimmage.
So be great upfront, be great in the run game.

(01:45:05):
In basketball, rebounding the control the controllable. Now I understand
there's other players under the glass. I understand that you're
elbowing and you're fighting, and you're battling for body positions.
So it's not only on you, butund rebounding and making
your free throws. By and large, that effort or that

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concentration are things that you can control and okay, see
for as bad as they were in a couple of
different statistical categories, three pointers being the most glaring, they
were great at the free throw line when when they
had an opportunity to grab a free shot, they took it,
and they shot at almost a ninety percent make rate.

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And in terms of rebounding, the out rebounded the Pacers
by ten rebounds total offensive glass twelve to seven. So,
I mean, when you have numbers like that, stare you
in the face on paper and shake Gilders. Alexander has
the type of fourth quarter he has. Yeah, I mean

(01:46:07):
then all of a sudden you can squint at it
and say, yeah, I could see why they won. I
could see why the Pacers folded.

Speaker 3 (01:46:14):
You know what. That's that reminds me of This happens
in the NFL every year, where people love to bet
overs on win totals and people love the bet overs
in general, and the mindset there, the psychological mindset is
once I reach that threshold, it's done, but BET's over,
Whereas the under you're never really out of it until

(01:46:34):
the game or the season is really over over, right,
You're not.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
It's not over.

Speaker 4 (01:46:40):
Till it's under.

Speaker 3 (01:46:41):
It's not under till it's over. So in the NFL,
if you add up all of the win totals together,
there's significantly more wins than actual games played. And I'm
sure you and Crack will talk about this when you
get closer to the NFL season Jeff as well. Everyone
loves about the overs, but there's not the it's impossible
for all these teams to go over. There's only so

(01:47:01):
many games and they all play each other. Same thing
in the NBA with these props, the if you can't
bet over points on everyone, Like if you add it
up the point totals for all the props for OKAC,
and you add it up all the numbers like SGA
thirty four, Jayla Williams twenty, whatever, like it'd be like
one hundred and fifty points in the game. Like you
just can't get to that level. But the prevailing thought

(01:47:25):
with props is overs always, especially in the public's mind,
but in reality, most of the props stay under. Same
thing in the Super Bowl. If you go and look
at the Super Bowl, everybody wants to bet overs, on everything.
But there's only so many first downs and receiving yards
and you know, rushing attempts that can happen in a
game that the majority of them stay under. But there

(01:47:46):
is this prevailing mindset amongst the average better that they
want overs because they want to match the number and
then be done. It's over a I'm good. So that's
what that reminds me of Brian, Like there's this always
this lean towards overs because of that, but in reality,
the numbers tend to skew it. Like I bet if

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you added up those props for all of the games,
especially the games where it was close, like not a
blowout in one direction, or actually, to be fair, the
blowouts might even be more unders because the players sit
in the fourth quarter. But I bet if you added
up all of the props for the season, especially in
the postseason, I bet the majority of them probably stay under.

Speaker 4 (01:48:26):
Especially in the scoring department.

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
Yeah, there are a lot. I'm just peeking at it
real fast. Go back to Game two and the Thunder
scored one hundred and twenty three points and most of
their unders hit exactly like that's a lot of they're
three pointers, like lou Dort hit four of them. I
don't think anybody else went over. No one else went

(01:48:48):
over their three pointers rebounding. That was another bad rebounding game.
The first two games for the Thunder were bad rebounding
games individually and collectively. And yeah, the points props. You know,
if SGA drops thirty four and well, there's not gonna
be a whole lot more players going over their individual numbers.
So yeah, it's it's pretty interesting something to keep in mind. Okay,

(01:49:11):
So we have numerous topics and very little time. Okay,
so we're opening the Fox Sports Radio Countdown presented by
Bett MGM buffet. It's very worthy buffet. We got to
shortened the name of the buffet.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
We're short on.

Speaker 2 (01:49:24):
Time here, the Mega buffet. Yeah, the buffet is open.
Over the countdown buffet is open. So I'll give you
a couple of topics to pick from and then we'll
chop it up very quick.

Speaker 3 (01:49:37):
Shrew.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Yes, So you can either choose dwindling interest or attempted murder, which.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
Will so we don't really know what the topics are.
We just get these ramah.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I like this.

Speaker 2 (01:49:50):
All right, what do you like?

Speaker 5 (01:49:51):
You choose rich, you choose Okay, I'm gonna take dwindling interest.

Speaker 2 (01:49:57):
What is yeah, that would be the U Open. Are
you more interested or less interested in this year's Open
because we don't have the big names at the top
of the leader.

Speaker 5 (01:50:08):
Board without question less interested. I think golf has cut
off its nose to spite its face. They had opportunities
for a long time, the PGA to make right by
the players, to help them become the influencers that they
clearly are. We've seen in the Netflix show that's followed
some of their lives. I can't tell you how many

(01:50:30):
arguments players have had with the PGA over being able
to use video of them that is shot by the
PGA in their own social and they're not allowed to
to promote the sport to promote themselves. It's ridiculous, and
I mean that's just one example of the many ways

(01:50:51):
that golf has tried to fillbuster the golfers from rising
and making more money and earning more acclaim and making
sport more popular because they never wanted to take their
boot off their neck. Well Live came along and really
blew up the sport. Now that has created a lack
of interest nationally because people drew political lines with that

(01:51:14):
in certain cases. And then also when you look at
the majors, you have one major issue, no Tiger and
they never replaced them. They never found the next Tiger Woods.
So unless you have a superstar come by man and
you're in short supply, you're going to struggle. And I

(01:51:34):
think golf is at that crossroads right now.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
See I have a different view of this because I
love playing golf and I've been to a lot of
these tournament, especially at the lower level, like not like
the majors, but I've been to a lot of bunch
of like random other tournaments, and I appreciate how good
these players are and how hard golf is. And I
know it's not the most athletic when you like watch

(01:52:01):
the players. He's John Daney with his gut hanging out,
drinking beers, and this guy drives it through and fifty
yards like, oh, anyone can do it. Yeah, go try
to do that and then tell me how you do
like it. It's such a difficult sport that I and
I'm so attached to sports in general that I respect
how good these golfers are.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
Even though you're rich.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
Is right, there is no Tiger Woods Scotti, Scheffler doesn't
have that persona. Even the guys that are at the
top of their game right now, like Rory, It's just
there's something a little off about some of their appeal
to the masses. But because I respect how hard golf is,
I still am interested in it, and also I can
bet on it well.

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
I yeah, I think a golf like music, you know.
For me, I'm not just a hits guy. I'm an
albums guy, like especially the metal albums. I know, the
like the B side songs. Some B side songs are amazing.
But if you give me nothing but B side songs, hmm,
it's like that's not great album.

Speaker 5 (01:53:00):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:53:01):
That's how I feel about golf. Like, I'm fine with
the B side players if you will, like that, the
mega names, But you gotta give me a name here
or there or I'm gonna lose some interest. I'm not
asking for the best of the best. Give me something,
Give me some.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Here's the top eight right now. None of these guys
catch your eyes. Sam Burns heard of him, JJ Spahn,
Victor Hoblin heard of him. Adam Scott heard of him,
Ben Griffin, Victor Perez, Thurston, Lawrence Russell, Henley Brooks Kepka.
I had the interesting Brooks Keptka wins it, I think,
especially after the live stuff. But you're right in.

Speaker 2 (01:53:29):
General, yeah, or you gotta see Brooks get a little
bit higher. That's certainly the biggest name.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
That's the only major winner in the group.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Really Yeah, I was thinking storyline, so okay over low
on time, So shout out Caitlin Clark. Don't call it comeback.
She's back, but the Indiana favorite fever. She'll be taking
on the Liberty today. Also fan and sports better bliss.
That would be the College World Series. You guys into
this thing? You watching it, you're betting on it.

Speaker 4 (01:53:57):
No, I think there is some value, but I just don't.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
I don't watch it enough to just dive in and
in the end and just start firing wagers. And I
getting wagers from other people that they send me and
I just bet them blindly.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
There you go. That might be the way to do it,
but I feel like that I'm just not in the
college baseball mode. But I'm totally into the College World Series.
I love the super Regionals, but I feel like, oh man,
this is cool, but I don't know what I'm doing.
You know, I feel like showing showing up to Saratoga
and seeing the horses, and I'm like, I want to bet,

(01:54:33):
but I have no idea how or why A cool event.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Yeah, I just I'm not. I don't watch it during
the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:54:39):
Yeah, no, no doubt. And uh, there you go. There's
the buffet for you. How do you like it? Do
you have enough to eat?

Speaker 5 (01:54:47):
Stuffed?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
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We each have at least three picks for you. We'll
share them with you rapid fire style, including maybe some unders.
After that impassioned speech, Jared just can't give you all over.

Speaker 5 (01:55:26):
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we got some picks to make.

Speaker 5 (01:56:23):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
Rapid fire.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
All right, Jared, we start with you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:30):
What do you like?

Speaker 3 (01:56:31):
Well, I've got a Schmorgersborg for you today. I've got baseball,
I got basketball, i got hockey. Let's start with MLB.
I'm taking the Astros on the first five money line.
They are hosting the Twins minus one twenty five over
at bet MGM. Hunter Brown versus Joe Ryan advantage Hunter Brown,
Houston's hot right now, they've won three straight, starting to
find their stride atop the als. Twins are sinking, they've
lost two straight and they are very poor fourteen to

(01:56:53):
twenty against teams above five hundred this year. So we'll
go Astros on the first five money line Game five
Stanley Cup Final taking and the Oilers playing and simple
money line easy bet minus one eighteen uh. The winner
of Game five of a two to two series historically
wins the series about eighty percent of the time. Massive
game in Edmonton tonight, and I think the runner up theory.

(01:57:15):
They have just the slightest of edges over Florida. And
finally we're gonna do the correct result of the NBA Finals.
We're going thunder four to two. This is minus one
ten over at bet MGM. Essentially a two team money
line parlay Oklahoma City in Game five, Oklahoma City in
Game six, or minus four to fifty on the money
line in Game five. They're probably gonna be about minus

(01:57:35):
two forty. That was the closing price in Game four.
If you smush those together in a parlay calculator comes
out to about minus one forty. We're getting minus one ten.
I feel good about OKC in six thunder winning the
NBA Finals.

Speaker 5 (01:57:49):
Okay, I'm gonna give you a schmorgasbord that only includes
two sports, Baseball then basketball. First, Padres plus one and
a half on the online against the Arizona Diamondbacks. I
trust in the Padres bullpen. I think they'll keep it close.
Moving on to basketball, Pacers plus nine and a half
after not a humiliating loss, but a loss nonetheless, I

(01:58:15):
think that they'll find they'll find a way to keep
this one close as well. So I'll take the points
there and then under one hundred and eight and a
half in the first half. I think both teams will
come out to a little bit of a slow start.
I don't think they'll be tripping over themselves, but maybe
a little bit of a haze, a carryover effect from

(01:58:36):
the poor three point shooting we saw from OKC in
Game four. So give me the under one away and
a half in the first half.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
You know, I'm feeling freaking crazy today. I gotta be
honest with you, guys. I'm going parlay here.

Speaker 5 (01:58:50):
Wow, and let.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Me check almost two to one crazy? How crazy is that?

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
You don't get bonus points for that.

Speaker 5 (01:58:58):
I know I'm just.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Feeling crazy right now, but I like this play I do.
I'm gonna go with Corey Perry. I mentioned that shots
on goal over one and a half. He've been over
this number in each of the first four games, and
Edmonton puts a ton of shots on goals, so I
like that. I'm gonna parlay it with the Texas Rangers
minus one and a half. So the run lines minus

(01:59:20):
two and a half. You gotta look at the spread
minus one and a half. Jacob de Cram's going for
the Rangers. They're playing the White Sox, and the Rangers
have scored a ton of runs over the last six games,
so I like them to win by at least two.
So that's basically two to one plus one ninety seven.
For no reason, I don't get bonus points for that.
So I'm this crazy person over here. I'm looking at Indiana, Okay,

(01:59:45):
So I'm looking at the Liberty and the Fever. Give
me the first quarter over forty three and a half points.
They haven't played since Tuesday. Caitlin Clark is back, so
I think we're scoring points right out of the gate.
Last time they played last month, they combined for fifty
nine points in the first quarter, So I think we're
running and gunning in the first quarter of this game.

(02:00:07):
And then give me an under here I have to
because Jared he sold me on the under. Give me
TJ McConnell under two and a half rebounds for the Pacers.
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