FOX Sports Saturday with Kevin Figgers & Adam Auslund talk Preseason QB Carousel moves, Jerry Jones Cowboys Drama + Fantasy Football Expert James Koh stops by!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Got a lot to get into tonight coming up later.
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Speaker 4 (00:41):
Yeah, this is when fantasy football championships are won. Right now,
you better draft correctly. But before we get to anything else.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Before we do, you know, before we get to anything else,
I want to bring this up. So we talked about
this off the air. So we're in our Fox Sports
Radio studios here in Shermanhos, California, and looking up at
our TVs and the Kansas City Chiefs Bears preseason game,
the replay is up, and so a few minutes ago
over like can midway through the third quarter or something,
and they panned the crowd, and I see all these
fans doing the wave. And now I was only one

(01:15):
who thought that it was only Dodger fans who got
bored in the sixth inning when they just got there
in the fourth inning who started doing the wave.

Speaker 4 (01:21):
And then the beach balls start coming out.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, two of my giant pet peeves.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
And all of a sudden, I see Arrowhead Stadium or
whatever it's called now, and they're doing the waves the
entire stadium all.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
The way around.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
No, granted is twenty seven to ten or whatever the
score was halfway through the third quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
But come on, for those who don't know, you already
don't like the wave? Correct? Hey do you hate the
Kansas City Chief?

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:44):
So it's already consumed me.

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, I'm on the dark side I concentration of hate.
I don't know if you're gonna be able to listen
to Obi Wan on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Heart Let that hate out.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
No, Obi Wan's disappeared. I've already hit him with the
lightsaber and he's turned into whatever. And I you know
mysterious spirit now at this point in time, can't stand
the Chiefs, certainly cannot stand the Kansas City Chiefs and
their fans doing the damn wave.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Can you give us a little bit because I can
understand why you hate the Chiefs your Raiders fan, But
what's the backstory on hating the wave?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
Like, oh, it's pretty simple. Hate the dolphins too, or
the ocean or echo. The Dolphin was one of my
favorite video games back in the days.

Speaker 6 (02:21):
I got nothing.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I got nothing against the dolphins or porpoises or anything
like that. Here's my issue. Let me ask you a question.
Why do you go to a sporting event to watch
the game? Okay, so you don't go to a sporting
event to stand up and wave your arms and that crazy?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
For no reason?

Speaker 7 (02:35):
Is it?

Speaker 4 (02:35):
Because people get in your way and obstruct your view?
And as a kid, that happened and you miss some
big critical run at one point.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
Not necessarily okay, although it doesn't help.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
If I'm sitting there actually trying to enjoy the game
and there's some yaho in front of me, He's like, wow,
why and there's two to one and eighth inning?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Why are you doing the wave? Pay attention to the
game on the field.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
Baseball is a game of anticipation, and sometimes there's heavy,
heavy anticipation where nothing is happening for an hour, Kevin,
and people just want to get up and stretch a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Not anymore.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Well, first of all, that's why they have to say anything. Stretch,
all right, get up the stretch of the seven guinea stretch.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
You can't always wait for that.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
Hey, Joe, the wave was invented back before we had
pitch clocks.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Just saying no, I mean, these games used to be
a lot longer.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
You're not wrong about that, but I would say, especially
now that the pitch clock is in, there's no need
for you to do the wave. All right, there's twenty
some odd seconds between pitches. What's the point doing the way?

Speaker 4 (03:30):
You're gonna go around as an usher and just will
just lay down on people that are doing the wave
and just no, yeah, yes, shame. It shouldn't be like
the Shange Service, like jumping in front of a president
that's being assassinated. It's gonna be Kevin jumping in front
of people doing the wave. Yeah, I'm gonna be the
the official sit your ass down guy. That is why hey,
sit down, you sit sit down, sit down, sit down.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
This ain't the beach they can they pay me for that?
Is that a job? I don't know. I kind of
like it. It's they sign me up.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
Kevin might be onto something here. You may be moonlighting
at Dodger Stadium very soon here or the Big A.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, I mean there's there's empty seats there, so there's
really no one to tell the sit to go to
go to Anaheim for what reason?

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Speaking of empty seats, there were some out there, as
you mentioned, because it's preseason football. Those seats will be
filled soon. But until then, why don't we get the
first off?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
That's wrong?

Speaker 2 (04:28):
By the way, I will say before we move on
to first off, I will say, I understand if it's
a blowout, sure, and you don't want to leave, maybe
I will relent a little bit on the waves. Still
not a fan of it. I'm more understanding of it
in that situation. But Adam, I'm not lying to you.
I have been to Dodger games where they have been
like up or down three to one in like the

(04:50):
seventh inning, and people are doing the wave and throwing.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Beach balls all over the place.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
I mean, I just don't you sound like Shooter McGavin
in the first Happy gal More?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Is this a rock concert? He says, golf. He's right,
He's absolutely right.

Speaker 4 (05:05):
Get off my lawn, get off my wave, shake your
fist at the clouds.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Don't get me started on these all these throwback jerseys
and color rush jerseys and all that give me traditional,
give me Penn State white helmet and blue jerseys with
no names on the back.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Well, we started this off by you asking me a question. Yes,
now I want to ask you a question. What are
the headlines here?

Speaker 5 (05:24):
Ken?

Speaker 7 (05:25):
What are the headlines on the announcement to starting quarterback?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
All so funny that you asked Adam?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
So the big headline I think coming out of this
week has to be what's happening in Indianapolis with Daniel
Jones being named the starting quarterback over Anthony Richardson, who
just a couple of years ago was the fourth overall
pick in the draft, who had all this potential in
the world. Now, all of a sudden, he feels like
a jilted lover. He's sitting on the bench.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Some people were pearl clutching about Daniel Jones getting the
starting nod heading into week one. They made that decision.
The same guys who drafted Anthony Richardson. By the way
trail their tail.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
Between their legs.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
They are admitting fault and saying, we're trying to save
our jobs and we think the best way to do
that is to play Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
Well, we're just saying something. Are they okay?

Speaker 2 (06:12):
Are they admitting fault though, or are Look there's a
couple of things working against them. So Anthony Richardson played
a little bit as a rookie, they ended up getting injured,
came on the comeback trail, admittedly didn't have the right
kind of work ethic. There was even a couple of
games last year where he got benched and he was healthy,
and Shane stiken said they benched him because he just
didn't have the right preparation throughout the week. So they're trying,

(06:33):
to your point, at this point in time, they're trying
to find a way to save their jobs the best
way they possibly can. They being the general manager Chris
Ballard and the head coach Shane Stikeen. It doesn't mean
that they don't like Anthony Richardson, but the progression just
hasn't been what they expected it to be, and I
think the injury part of it is a huge deal.
But I don't necessarily think that the Colts are the
bad guy or that they're tucking their tail between their legs.

(06:53):
They're just saying, like, look, this guy just ain't ready yet,
and we are not secure enough in our jobs, especially
with ownership being what it is now that Jim Mersey
has passed away. I don't know what their standing is
with ownership, and I don't think they know that. So
they're just trying to do the best job they can
to try to win football games, and they think Daniel Jones,
the veteran, gives them a better chance than Anthony Richardson,
who's been woefully inconsistent.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
Self preservation is kind of a big deal in life,
and they're going with the guy with the higher floor
rather than the guy with maybe the higher ceiling. That
seems safe. That seems like a safe bet. Daniel Jones.
If you watched him in the preseason, he did make
some nice throws. He has a ton of experience relative

(07:34):
to Anthony Richardson at this level. He has won a
playoff game, and I mean he won that playoff game
for them against Minnesota with the New York Giants.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
That was all him, his arm and his legs.

Speaker 4 (07:44):
Daniel Jones was phenomenal in that game a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Was that an outliar for him?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Yes, was absolutely, But that's still more experience than Anthony
Richardson has had.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
And listen to this.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
I don't think it's that crazy of a move when
you look at some of the statistics out there. I
got this from Law Murray of the Athletic who covers
the end of Disambia. This is how much this story
transcended this week, this quarterback controversy. I guess Anthony Richardson
versus Daniel Jones. The quarterbacks since nineteen ninety nine to

(08:18):
attempt at least two hundred and forty passes in a
season and fail to complete half of them. Achille Smith
in two thousand, JaMarcus.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Russell, I knew he was going to be on there
in two thousand and nine.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I have witnessed all of those passes, so I knew
he was going to be on that list.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Tim Tebow in twenty eleven and Anthony Richardson in twenty
twenty four.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
That is damning. How about this?

Speaker 4 (08:42):
There are fifty five quarterbacks that have had at least
one hundred and seventy five attempts over the last two
years in the NFL. Anthony Richardson ranks fifty fifth out
of fifty five inaccuracy, fifty fifth out of fifty five
in completion rate, fiftieth out of fifty five in touchdown
interception ratio.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
He's not ready. He's not there yet.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Do you know how difficult it is to complete under
fifty percent of your passes in the NFL in twenty
twenty five? Yeah, Like the metric now, like fifteen years ago,
if you completed sixty percent of your passages, like, oh,
you're having a pretty damn good year.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Sixty percent now was like lee average.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, Like, I mean, if you're one of the best
of the best, you're well over seventy percent, And if
you're above average, you're probably hoping around sixty six to
sixty five, which, by the way, is where Daniel Jones
is for his career.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
In the modern NFL, you rely on your quarterback more
than ever because the rules have been slanted to favor offenses,
so they have more of an impact than ever on
wins and losses. Out there, What about what about this
one for you here, Kevin, looking only at quarterbacks in
the first two years, since the year two thousand and so,

(09:48):
over the last twenty five seasons that have attempted a
minimum of three hundred passing attempts, there's one.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
Hundred and three quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
Richardson ranks one to oh three out of one oh
three inaccuracy, one oh two out of one o three
in completion rate, ninety four out of.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
One o three in success rate. The numbers are just bad.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
And I'm not saying like he's twenty three years of
age or something like that, he can turn this around.
But for the dire straits that this organization is in
right now, especially the GM and the head coach that.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Are shortleash, they have to go.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
With the guy that they think is going to be
more of a sure thing right now, even if that
means it's Danny Dimes, which is crazy because his dimes
are like you put a coin on a railroad track, like, well,
it is a stretch to say he's throwing dimes.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
It is warped.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, especially considering you're in a pretty winnable division. Do
I say like I like the Houston Texans, They took
half a step back last season.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I think they're still good and they're probably gonna win it.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
But outside of them, there's really nobody that scares you
in the AFC South.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
So I mean, if the Colts get another good.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Year out of Jonathan Taylor and they're improved a little
bit defensively, I mean, who's to say they can't make
a run of Daniel Jones is an absolutely killing them
at the quarterback position and is just competent, which, by
the way, I think running Shane Stikeen's offense coming from Philadelphia,
knowing what he did with Jalen hurts. Daniel Jones can run,
you know he can. We can run a little bit,
So I think he's perfect in that offense.

Speaker 4 (11:13):
They do call him the white Vick.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
Now do you remember that micro Vick's on a trip
over his own foot and stumble at the one yard
line like Daniel Jones did a few years ago.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
That was not part of the Michael Vick Experience commercial.
So much so that I think Ross Tucker like laughed,
who was an analyst who went viral his analysis, was
just laughing his ass off because he didn't know what
to say. That was an epic commercial back in the
day for Nike where you're going on a roller coaster
and it brings you out onto the field and you're
dodging defenders and you're kind of in that first person view.

(11:42):
For what Michael Vick sees out there, the Daniel Jones experience,
that roller coaster has a couple of screws missing, That
thing is coming off the tracks. That is a horror
movie that is not as safe. That is Mario Kart
running into a a banana in the road is what
that is, is Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
But it makes all the sense in the role that
they would go with this direction. And to your point,
it doesn't mean that Anthony Richardson's career is over. And
I think that's something we'll get into a little bit
later in the show too, talking about guys whose careers
didn't necessarily go the path that you thought it would,
but it might circle back and end up being successful
for them.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
It doesn't mean his career in Indianapolis is over.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Who's to say that Daniel Jones doesn't struggle this year
or the team. You know, maybe he's decent, but the
team is struggling a little bit and they want to
spark and they put Richardson in there. There's no doubt
in my mind and even in Seiken's mind, who said
it that he's improved. He just hasn't improved enough to
get them to the point where they feel like they're
confident into making them the starter right now, there's nothing
wrong with that.

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Somebody else that has to improve. And who did play
tonight for the Chicago Bears would be Caleb Williams, the
number one pick last season. As we're talking about the
headlines with the starting quarterbacks here, well, he didn't.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Miss wide open guys who weren't being defended, So that's good. Yeah,
like the reports from last week.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Now, Caleb Williams, he started this game off very poorly
against the Kansas City Chiefs. In fact, it was more
the juxtaposition watching Patrick Mahomes out there work his offense
with Kansas City Chiefs and then you see Caleb Williams
a fumble, a false start, an incompletion, he.

Speaker 3 (13:12):
Held the ball too long and got sacked again.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Yeah, like he held the ball for what six point
two seconds?

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Got in time, but I was like, you gotta get
rid of it. You're gonna break the pocket and throw
it away at some point.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Our friend Petros Papadayk has retweeted that and said, twenty
twenty three USC offense. That's what it looked like at times,
like he's always looking to make the big play. He
was trying too hard. He was using his legs on
that possession. He ran right into the defense and eventually
got sacked. But he was very shaky early. Now he
came on later and he found what Rome who I

(13:44):
guess A Donsay and him have been developing a connection
throughout training camp.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
That has been a story. But my problem is.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Well, I was also against I think the Chiefs backups
at that point exactly.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
So he struggles early against first team guys.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
One of the better defenses you're going to see in
Kansas City, by the way, too, that's fair, So that's
a good challenge.

Speaker 4 (14:04):
But is the second and third string come in now
all of a sudden, Calen Williams is finding a rhythm.
Does it matter level of competition?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Isn't there?

Speaker 8 (14:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I guess it matters in that you like to be
able to see it in a new offense. But obviously
the effectiveness isn't going to be weighted the same as
it would be against the starting union because the issue
with Caleb I mean, there were reports last week prior
to the second preseason game that you know, he was
airmailing balls to wide open receivers in the back of the.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
End zone during just pre pregame drills. That's glaring. He
was getting killed by the Chicago media. Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
Now, so it seemed a little bit overdone, like people
looking for clicks just because he hadn't even played in
the game yet and they got nothing to talk about.
I understand that side of it. And then he came
and balled out, played well against the Bills second and
third string guys, and Chicago is they're overly sensitive to

(14:56):
poor quarterback play, maybe because they had ton of it.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Mark, Mark, You're okay when it comes to quarterback play, right,
You've had a great run of quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh yeah, I think I'm getting over it. Well, sid
Luck is not walking through that door.

Speaker 4 (15:09):
What we're saying, huh, like their best quarterback in the
last twenty five years or one of.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
My favorites, probably Jay Cutler.

Speaker 4 (15:17):
No, Jay Cutler probably more accurate than this guy.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I was just starting of somebody who got royded up
and had a big season. The first quarterback to get
busted for Royd's Jim Miller. Jim Miller, that's right, Like
they had to have a guy get on Royd's just
to have competent quarterback play in Chicago.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
I mean, all due respect to Jim Miller, who has
turned himself into a really good analyst at this point
in time, But didn't he really just turn the ball,
turn the ball off to the A train.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
But they had their run.

Speaker 4 (15:44):
He threw it so far on some of those defense
because of the Royds was brought up vicer earlier. Remember
remember the Power Raid commercials where Vick was throwing it
in one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
That was Jim Miller in real life on Royds.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
I just remember those Bears defenses averaging more than the
Bears offense.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
They were good.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
That might not be true, but it's source like it
Nate nineties Bears defense and running games.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Early two thousands, or Arlacker.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
It felt in there their identity was intact of what
the Bears are supposed to be, because the truth is
they're not allowed to have competent quarterback play. That's just
not the Bears. It's just not who they are. They're
supposed to have a strong running game. Uh oh, the
running is not in vogue as much as it used.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
To be, and as we mentioned earlier, I.

Speaker 4 (16:22):
Don't think it's come making a bit of a comeback. Sure,
you know some of the better teams.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
You look at your Baltimore as you look at what
the Philadelphia Eagles did this past year. We know how
cyclical things are in this league. So as it has
turned into a passing league, it would not surprise me.
Given the right six situation circumstance, O line offense of
the running back talent, I think we can ever return
to the running game.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
I did some more value for running back.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
I ain't going back to nineteen eighty five though. No,
we're not going back to Walter Payton like that.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
Yeah, we're not going to have fourteen guys you know,
running for over fifteen hundred yards or whatever it was.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
So the Bears used to be able to rely on
running the football, having a stout defense and just a
placeholder manager at quarterback. In today's NFL, you got to
have a top tier quarterback to win at the highest level.
So they're missing a big part of the formula here. Well,
here's the thing we know, Caleb has the talent and

(17:11):
the ability. The problem is, yeah, okay, he has the arm, talent,
he has the ability.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
We know he can play.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
The issue is trying to coach him out of those
bad habits, which is hard to do because he basically
played his entire college career running for his life, whether
he had to or whether he forced it upon himself.
And it's debatable, you know which one that was. I
think it probably was a little bit of both, depending
on the situation. So now Ben Johnson has been tasked
with having to coach him out of it while also
trying to make sure. I think leaning on the run

(17:36):
game is something that they want to do. That's what
Detroit did as great as Jared golf was the last
couple of years under Ben Johnson, making almost think goodbye
it at that Jamier Gibbs in the run game is
what made that team go. I think, so that's what
they want to do now with Swift and the guys
in the backfield. They want to lean on the run
and take more pressure off of Caleb.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
And if you look at that first game against the
Bills in the preseason, like Ben Johnson was orchestrating all
that good work by Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
They were all reads.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
He didn't go to a second read. I don't think
on one of those throws. It was quick offense and
get guys in space, get your athletes in space. That's
what Ben Johnson is good at scheming. Yes, he did
it with Jared Goff. He can elevate lesser talent. I
do believe that's the biggest piece that can change things
for Caleb Williams. Because I'm being hard on him. I

(18:23):
understand he has the arm talent, he has the ability,
but he makes some low IQ decisions out there because
he thinks he can throw himself out of trouble. Sometimes
he's got some of that Brett fav in him where
he takes far too many risks. We saw it in
Southern California for USC for years, and tonight was another
example against the first team defense of the Kansas City Chiefs.

(18:44):
How are you gonna hold onto the ball for six
seconds and not make a pass? Your offensive line did
their job. Scody's got to be open in six seconds.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Or takeoff or run, just go.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
If you said you talking about Michael Vick earlier, Michael
Vicker drove back for a quarter of a second and
take off. Yeah, I'd almost rady that. Then just sit
in the pocket and run in certains and think get sacked.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
His first big play was a run to the left
when Ben Johnson had the defense thinking it was going
right right like it's scheme is strategy. He is an
offensive mastermind. If I'm a Bears fan, That's what I'm
holding onto right now.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
About a Bears fan, I'm actually fairly optimistic. I have
faith in Ben Johnson has an offensive play caller. Now,
from a head coaching standpoint, we'll see, But as far
as his fingerprints on the offense and the talent that
they have around Caleb Williams, I'm actually a believer.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
Now, does that mean they're gonna win fourteen games? No?
Absolutely not.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
How far are you going with this belief.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
In the conversation for a playoff spot by the time
we get to Christmas?

Speaker 4 (19:38):
I'll say that that's fair. Yeah, I like that. That's
going out on a limb a little bit considering how
much they struggled last season. Now I'll say this, the
numbers actually look better. For how much Caleb Williams has
been scrutinized for his performance and his rookie season. The
numbers aren't that bad, right, The record wasn't great and
he still made some bad decisions out there, but I'm

(19:58):
not giving up on him yet.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Yeah, speaking of being SCRUTINWS, we gotta get out of
here before bree rips our heads off. So we are
broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Kevin figures
Adam alson here on Fox Sports Saturday. Coming up next, Oh, Jerry,
Jerry versus Micah Parsons continues and Jerry is just doing
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Speaker 2 (21:21):
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Speaker 3 (21:25):
Adam is at follow Adam a on X. We do
have some I guess they're not called tweets anymore. What
would you call them nowadays? Posts? You wouldn't called them.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Some of my exes were hitting me up because that's
definitely going to ignore and mute and delete.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
So no axes. So what exactly do I call these
coming in? Exactly? They're just replies.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
They're posts, replies posts, Mary generic Eloy and Compton. Hey Kevin,
please tell me you ain't worried after seeing the Chiefs
first three drives on Friday Night, mahomes and then offense
will be awesome this year. Can't wait to sweep your
sorry ass Raiders lol, laughing crying emoji. You know what, Eloy,
You're probably right. It probably will sleep the Raiders. I
can't deny that.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
I'll wait a second.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
Do you have to change your pick of who you
have winning the AFC West Holmes look tonight?

Speaker 8 (22:09):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Absolutely not, Okay, I'm still rolling with the Los Angeles
Chargers to I guess upset the world? Are you to
win the AFC West because nobody else sees it coming
other than me?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Are you ten toes down?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Though? Are you just like eight or nine toes down
now on that prediction? All toes down, ten toes down,
all ten fingers down. I'm all, I'm ready to go.
Somebody else is saying Dodger fans are the most annoying
waivers in my honest opinion. I mean, then they top
it off by playing that lame I love LA's song
and I'm from LA and wish they do better.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
That would be nature boy on you have to hate on,
you know, Randy Newman.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
Their nature boy, Nature boy hit me up too, saying
the Raiders need to top to your quarterback and they're
still working on it, with a photo of JaMarcus russ Well,
I don't need that, nature Boy.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
That's messed up. Man, don't eat that memory.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
You guys want to hit us up, hit us up
at KFIG one and that follow out of may on
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your tweets and your messages on the air.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
I don't know if the Cowboys are gonna be good
enough defensively. If they don't have Micah Parsons for a
week one.

Speaker 3 (23:09):
I'll let you win on a secret at him. They
not gonna be good enough.

Speaker 4 (23:11):
If he is there, okay, fair enough, So Dak Prescott
could be a really good fantasy quarterback, then absolutely, I'll
put it like that because I don't know if they're
gonna have a great running game. I don't know if
they're gonna have a good defense. They're gonna have to
put up a lot of points throwing the football. Speaking
of fantasy football, guru James co will join us in
the next hour, but Jerry Jones is still talking. He

(23:31):
was one of the first subjects we had doing this
show on Fox Sports Radio and he's back, and you know,
at first, I thought like, maybe this is about the
contract negotiation and just Jerry being Jerry with Micah Parsons,
And I thought, is Jerry Jones peaking as Jerry Jones?
This is this fully actualized Jerry Jones here, Kevin. Is

(23:55):
he still finding himself? Is he going to Thailand to
find himself?

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like he's in White.

Speaker 4 (23:59):
Lotus or something like. That's what I thought at first,
And this is just par for the course. Now I'm
kind of thinking it's getting personal here.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
This is a little bit.

Speaker 4 (24:08):
This is more than just any other contract negotiation he's had.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
Jerry's going on this giant media tour now.

Speaker 2 (24:14):
I'm sure it's to promote the documentary, which I don't
know if you've seen any of I've saw the first episode.
I haven't seen any of the others of the Dallas
Cowboy documentary on Netflix.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
It's ten parts.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
You know, I have trouble commitment issues committing to a
ten part documentary. It was different when it was the
last dance during COVID because there was not much to
it was nothing to do with it was that in
the Tiger King all day.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
But this is this is totally this is one at
a time, Adam. You don't have to been to the
entire series in one night.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Okay, well a lot.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
I heard the San Francisco forty nine ers are featured
a lot in one of the episodes. Yeah, and you
know I hate them, so that reason I might have
to wait on this.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
So Jerry Jones making the media rounds, and obviously the
topic is your other than the documentary is Micah Parsons
and his contract situation and Jerry. The SoundBite that made
a lot of waves earlier this week was talking about
the negotiation between Jerry and Michaeh Parson's agent and what
Michael Parson's agent thought of the offer.

Speaker 11 (25:05):
We wanted to send the details to the agent the agent,
Soldiers Topper asked, well, we got this theory resolved in
my mind for the dollars cowboys.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Huh, but you don't say so.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
You're trying to go around the agent again, Like we
talked about this before, go around the agent and negotiate
directly with Parsons. And the agent is the one who
has to sign off on it. Now, look, he doesn't
necessarily have to. But that is his job as an
NFLPA certified agent.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
That's why he's there. If that's if that.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Was the case, Adam and Michael Parson just wants to
negotiate on his own, which.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
He could do.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
He could Russell Okum did it for his entire career.
Lamar Jackson's mom is like his business manager. But he
technically doesn't have an agent. You can work without an
agent if you will, if you want to, but he
has one go through the proper channels. And to make
it seem as if there's some issue with the agent
of the agent is being hoity toity in this situation
with the Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (25:53):
That's the part that doesn't sit well with me.

Speaker 4 (25:55):
He thought he had some good old fashioned handshake deal
with Michaeh. Parsons back in April through the back door,
going through the back door, well clandestine style. Then the
agent hears about that. Maybe Michael Parsons was good with it,
Maybe they had a verbal agreement. There is such a thing.
The problem is you go to court over a verbal

(26:15):
agreement and then you get the details on what was
said if there was no recording like that is such
a difficult thing to prove, but a handshake deal like this,
it just makes me think his agent got in Michaeh
Parson's ear. And even though Michael Parsons was initially okay
with this, with Jerry Jones and him just hammering this

(26:35):
thing out by themselves, eventually the agent said, now, I
don't know we can get more money, come my way,
little devil on the shoulder. This is how we're gonna
do things. And that third person interfering here is the
hold up.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Ultimately, Yeah, and look, I mean the agent has an
agenda too. Let's say, yes, he's trying to act in
the best interest of his client, but he's also trying
to act in the best interests of other clients. I
don't know what other past rushers he has is clients
for him.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
He's getting a percentage of whatever Parsons gets. So the
big of the contract, the more he's making.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
So, and not only that, if Parson signs a big contract,
we already seen the market for defensive ends or pass rushers,
however you want to classify them. The barget raised this
offseason because Max Crosby got paid and you know, a
couple Trey Henderson is trying to get paid from Cincinnati.
That's what he's looking for as a higher guarantee. He's
not getting that yet.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
TJ.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Watt got a massive contract, and the problem is Michael
Parsons and the Dallas Cowboys. They could have inked this
deal before any of those deals were happening, and Dallas
actually would have been in the better for it, because
Parsons probably would have inked for less.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Than what those guys made.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
But now that he's waited after the fact, his number
is only going to be more and more expensive.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
He doesn't have a lot of leverage here either. And
Jerry Jones pointed this out.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
The problem is he's under contract this season and then
you could franchise him the next two years.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
I will say the franchise number is gonna end up
biting the Cowboys because that tag number is going to
go up. It's based on the average of the top
five player paid players at that position, and again, three
of the top five paid players got their new contracts
this offseason.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
But it number is gonna fire up.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
Kick the can down the road for them to figure
it out later and maybe at some point Parsons gives
in because I don't know if Jerry's gonna budge right now.
Now this getting personal to this degree. That's the part
that makes this standout from other situations where we try
to parallel this with Dak before with CD lamb.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Now it's like, oh he told him stick it.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Where like this is getting bad well personal as we
think it might be. Jerry Jones says that he appreciates
Michael more than anybody.

Speaker 11 (28:38):
Nobody appreciates Michael Parson anymore than the Cowboys or me, nobody,
nobody has ever offered him more money than I haven't
played football period.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, of course you're gonna offer more money,
But is the right amount, is at the right length
we are the right guarantees?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Is the right offset language in there? See the problem
the agent is looking at is I don't know.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, you could have a verbal agreement, but no disrespect
to Micah or anybody who's not a lawyer or an agent.
Do you know what you're reading through those fifty stacks
of papers and what you're signing on for.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
Jerry could tell you a bunch of stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
All of a sudden you suffer an injury, and all
of a sudden, you know you signed Thatt's say, one
hundred and thirty five million dollars in eighty of it's guaranteed,
but only thirty of it's guaranteed for injury, when you
could have gott it seventy guaranteed for injury. That's Those
are the minute details that are very important. That might
and I'm not saying this is the case. I'm just
making up an arbitrary, you know, situation, but that might
be the case for Micah. His agent wants to make

(29:34):
sure that Jerry Jones and the Cowboys aren't trying to
pull the wall over his eyes.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
The part of this that still feels confounding, though, is
the fact that you have a player this young, this good,
he technically hasn't hit his prime years yet. This is
the type of guy you should pay. And I'll point
this out. Micah Parsons already has fifty two and a
half sacks and four seasons, the most saxon NFL history

(29:59):
Before a player he turns twenty seven, he's still twenty six.
JJ Watt seventy four and a half, Miles Garrett seventy two,
Reggie White seventy, the late great Derek Thomas sixty six,
von Miller with sixty, Joey Bosa with fifty eight, Jared
Allen with fifty seven and a half, Bruce Smith with

(30:19):
fifty seven and a half, Nick Bosa with fifty seven.
He's right behind some of the best ever.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
I mean, all those guys, with the exception of the
Bosa brothers, are sure fire Hall of famers.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Well, we're talking about guys that aged well, yeah, that
after the age of twenty six continued into prime years.
That's the trajectory that Micah Parsons is on. You want
to pay this guy, But I'm afraid now, if you're
a Dallas Cowboys fan, it has gotten to the point
where Jerry's so dug in and so obstinate about it,

(30:52):
that is going to be a problem that could bleed
into Week one.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Honestly.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
Yeah, well, I guess if you wanted to make a statement,
if you're Micah, you could set out a couple of
regular season games. You're gonna end up losing money, but
it could be one of those look what you look
like without me situations.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
That's your leverage.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
He's not gonna sit out the entire season, because if
he does, we're right back in this exactly the same situation.
He's not gonna get paid a dime for this year.
He's going to be operating under the exact same contract
as he's operating under right now, or would be operating
under right now.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
And he showed up to training camp, which is a
no no hold in, and it just seemed like he
wanted to be one of the guys.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Yeah, well, I can't get away from football. I can't
get away from my guys.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I don't know if he's the type that would sit
out and lose that money and watch his team suffer
because of it.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Well, he looked good to me walking in earlier tonight
with the the what was it French fries or nachos
or something.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
He's walking in.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
There in Atlanta, laying down on the trainer's table like
he doesn't have a care in the world.

Speaker 4 (31:44):
I heard there was extra cheese on those nachas because
he wants a little extra chedder in this contract.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I'm sure now here the issue is too for the Cowboys.
They don't necessarily have the easiest schedule, so I'm thinking
if they get off to a slow start and say
Micah isn't there, And by the way, even if he is, there.
He hasn't been in practice padded practices. I know people
try to poopoo the preseason. Not to steal a line
from Rob Parker, but getting some live contact does matter,
especially for a position like that. What if he needs

(32:09):
a game or two or three or four to get
his legs under him. I'm looking at the start of
their schedule. It's not necessarily super daunting, but it's not easy.
You have the opener against the Eagles, then you have
the Giants. All right, fine, that's probably a cake walk, Bears, Packers, Jets.
I don't think the Bears and the Packers are necessarily easy.
You get off to a slow start, it could be
hard to recover because then look at this at him,
look at after their bye week. Now they have the Raiders,

(32:31):
which I mean, who could be more difficult than that,
the Raiders in Vegas. But followed by this is after
their buy so there's no breaks after this. Eagles, Chiefs, Lions, Vikings, Chargers.
Then you're at Washington. Then you end the season at
the Giants. That is Murderer's row the last month and
a half of the season, so they have to stack
wins early. As with Chelle, you get him where you can,

(32:52):
and if you don't have one of your best players,
you buy far your best defensive player out there, that
could be a huge detriment to you.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
The other here is, and we talked about this initially
with this standoff, is I'm not sure how committed Jerry
Jones is to winning in the first place. I still
think his super Bowl is being the most talked about
franchise in sports, regardless of wins and losses. The top
of the mountain for him is being the biggest brand
and doing so while they haven't won the Super Bowl

(33:22):
since nineteen ninety six. Like that is the feather in
his cafe he cares about most. And then it's the microphone,
the camera in his face. That's his bluep shoe. That's
what Jerry Jones wants. Just give me a microphone and
a camera. I bet he goes home, watches himself, dissects
the tape, makes some adjustments for the next time he's
in front of the camera. This is what Jerry Jones

(33:44):
cares about. And the more Micah Parsons is sitting on
the sidelines and not on the field, the more attention
he gets.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
I do agree that Jerry Jones does crave the attention,
does want the attention. I don't believe that he wants
it more or cares about it more than winning, but
I do think that it's top of the priority list.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
I'll say that there is a soap opera element to
the Dallas Cowboys. And just like in soap operas where
you have that trope where somebody has been been in
a coma for a long time, you could have been
in a coma from nineteen ninety six until now and
not have missed the Cowboys winning the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
That's how bad it's been.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Speaking of bad, the NFL obviously had some issues to
this offseason in the PA with collusion. Could that be
another potential collusion story evolving the NFL and all thirty
two of its teams when it pertains to one particular
draft pick from this past April we'll talk about Coming
up next on Fox Sports Saturday, Kevin Figures and Adam
Alston with you.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
Back to Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Welcome in, Kevin Figures, Adam Auson with you guys at
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Speaker 3 (34:43):
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Speaker 4 (34:47):
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(35:29):
Go ahead, Kevin, you broke a little bit of news
earlier this week.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
I didn't do anything.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Well, come on, you're the producer of the show. You're
the chairman of the board. You're producing the show locally
AM five to seven e LA Sports, our affiliate here
in Los Angeles. The Rogan and Rodney Show and ed
Our old friend Eric Dickerson was on as he's prone
to be.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, Rams Hall of Famer mister twenty one oh five.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Eric Dickerson was a guest on the show, as he
typically is during football season, and he had some interest
and comments about Shador Sanders. We all know that Sador
Sanders much talked about, much hyped up going into this
past April's NFL Draft. Many people thought he can go
anywhere between the first and third rounds. He ends up
falling all the way to the fifth round to the
Cleveland Browns. Now, if you listen to what Eric Dickerson

(36:17):
told Fred Rogan and Rodney Pete earlier this week on
a five to seventy l A Sports the according to
his sources, the NFL didn't even want that to happen.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
And I'll tell you as much here what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it told other don't draft him, do
not draft him. We're gonna make up, we're gonna make
an example out of him. And this came from a
very good source, a very good source. And he said
that I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland Browns
and said, don't do that. Draft really, yep, draft him,

(36:47):
don't don't don't do that because they weren't drafted either.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
They weren't gonna drafted. All right. I love Ed. I
feel a butt coming.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
He is prone to speaking his mind.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
Now, he did say he got this information from a source,
so he's not talking out of school here is this
is going off with somebody that he spoke with, who
he says would have knowledge of these things.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
I don't doubt someone told him that. The question is
did it happen? How true is it? To what degree
did the NFL really manipulate the draft to stop Shadeur
Sanders from being drafted earlier?

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Let me ask it this way, do you think that
it's out of the realm of possibility or unbelievable that
the NFL would potentially collude to have something like this happened.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
I don't think it's that far fetched.

Speaker 4 (37:32):
It's not that far fetched, But I don't know if
it's worth the risk just to teach Schadere Sanders a lesson, like,
because this guy's so braggadocious and his dad is Dion,
we're really gonna stick it to him. Because here's my
theory on this, and here's how I always feel my
philosophy about big conspiracies, and this would be one. Absolutely,

(37:54):
a lot of people would have to be involved. Everybody
would have to be told, whether it's a asset look
or a phone call or a text or a memo.
Teams would have to be told this, and according to Ed,
the Browns were told even in the fifth round, don't
take them, not to take them. So how far is
the NFL going with this? Even in the fifth round.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
That's not enough of an example to make out of them.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I mean, we just came out of a lawsuit where
the NFL was basically proven to have colluded and told
each other, you know, we're never gonna give a guaranteed
money like Deshaun Watson got from the Cleveland Browns. Having
these internal discussions between owners about how business practices are
gonna work is not wholly unprecedented, and it's a lot different.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
And this is also never confirmed.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
But if you remember back some years ago when Michael
Sam was the defensive player of the year in the
SEC at Missouri and fell in the draft, you know,
he was openly he was an openly gay player. An
openly gay player had never been drafted, and there were
rumors that Jeff Fisher and the Rams were basically told
by the NFL do us as solid and draft Michael
Sam because basically it would make the NFL look good
from a pr standpoint. That was never proven, but it

(38:58):
was a long held theory that a lot of people
will still hold on to.

Speaker 4 (39:01):
I still wonder how many teams would be like, if
they really thought he was talented enough, Well, we can't
take him, because the NFL is gonna do what They're
gonna take away picks and not explain why to the public.
The Cleveland Browns lost three first round picks for an
undisclosed reason, Like, how how could they penalize somebody for
taking him? They can't with them the cover being blown

(39:22):
off the story of why.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Well, that's the thing. You couldn't penalize him.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
I guess if the only thing you could do is
strongly discourage them from doing it, and if it first
of all, I hope it's not true too, because this
would be a horrible look for the NFL from up
from a pr standpoint, because you're telling me that the
Kansas City Chiefs can draft Tyreek Hill, a guy who
beat up his pregnant girlfriend while he was in college
at Oklahoma State, and the fact that this guy can
get drafted, but you're telling me that you George Sanders

(39:46):
because he happens to be braggadocio and blows off a
couple of interviews.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
You're telling teams not to draft him. I hope that
that's not.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
True, Yeah, because that would be a horrible look for
a pr standpoint for the NFL.

Speaker 4 (39:56):
That's kind of how I feel about it. Typically when
it comes to major conspiracy sees, you know, the people
who hate the government are also saying but they're stupid
and smart at the same time, because the government's screwing
everything up. But also they killed JFK and aliens are real,
they're smart enough to hide that stuff from us while
screwing up everything else. Like, it doesn't work like that.

(40:19):
That is a complete contradiction, And I feel kind of
the same way here. But you're right, it is possible.
It's not completely out of the Roman possibility.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
All right, was not out of the Roman possibility, as
Adam and I will be back next talking to some
college football here on Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (40:35):

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Welcome back in It's our two of the FNA show
here on FSR on a Fox Sports Saturday. I'm out
of Moslin.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
He is Kevin Figures coming up a little bit later
in this very hour.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
We got our fantasy football expert in James Co joined
the show.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That'll be a lot of fun kicking help me out
with my fantasy drafting because I need because I've been
awful for the last eight years.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Now's the time people are drafting.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
I mean there's I see leagues and franchise modes in there.
I guess where people just keep the same teams year.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
To year fantasy.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Oh so those fantasy modes like that, franchise modes. And
I knew that was a thing in mad and I
didn't realized that was a thing in fantasy.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
I feel like it should be at some point at
least should I start that. No, I wouldn't sign up
for that, distorting my history of drafting. I don't know
if I do that. Not a Jason Smith Patton pending.
Not at all, Not at all.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Something we did mention last week, and it's a little
bit of a follow up.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
Well, Jim Harbaugh and the Michigan Wolverines got what was
the equivalent of a slap on the wrist by the
NCAA for their quote unquote spygates scandal, their stealing signs
scandal from two years ago. It was like a slap
bracelet from the nineties that would just wrap around your wrist,

(41:50):
and there was a myth out there that some kid
broke his wrist using the slap bracelet. My parents wouldn't
let me get one because of it, Like it was nothing.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Kevin I would say, it's probably more like you remember
the old the racetracks, the old racetracks you would have
when you were a kid with old cars. It's probably
more like somebody taking you when smacking you on the
hand with that.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
It hurts for a little bit, but it won't kill you.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
It we're off twenty million dollars to twenty million dollars
hits your athletic department, or at least twenty million dollars
is not nothing. They'll be able to make up for it.
It's not gonna hurt them too badly, but it does
sting a little bit.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Well, I saw this.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Somebody point out that Urban Meyer, former Big ten legend
you could say, with the Ohio State Buck guys and
rival of Jim Harbaugh's, was making a good point. Someone said,
you know the meme the worst person in the world
just made a good point. Yeah, the person you hate
the most actually just made a good point.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
For once. That was urban Meyer this week.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Yeah, so urban Meyer's talking about Jim Harball and the
fact that he basically cut and ran from Michigan, you know,
at the I guess best possible time for him, right
before the stations came down, and Harball gets hit with
a ten year or the eight year or ten year
show calls.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Either does a man come going.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
Back to college football at any time? So he ain't going
back anyway.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
And by the way, even if he did, I feel
like the show calls doesn't really hold as much weight
as it did back in the day. You Basically, all
the show calls is is if a college wants to
hire you, you have to speak it front of the NCAA,
in front of a panel and explain why it can
present a compelling case as to why they should allow
you to hire him.

Speaker 4 (43:19):
Make your case, bring some evidence to the table. He
ain't got to worry about that because it's basically like
he ran to or flew to Columbia, correct, and he's
not going to be extra died from the NFL.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
Yeah, and urban Meyer says like, well, hold on, so
Ohio State, I hit with all these sanctions and guys
got fired. And then Terrell Pryor got suspended for games
in his NFL career for stuff that he did at
Ohio State far less. Yeah, So why are we not
having that exact same situation right now when it comes
to Jim Harble.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
Let's hear from Urban Meyer.

Speaker 8 (43:49):
There's an elephant in the room here, boys, though, that
no one's talking about. When Jim Trussell was fired at
Ohio State and he was given a suspension, Roger Goodell,
commissioner of that football league, came out and said that
we're going to honor that violate, that we're going to
honor that suspension. And you remember he went to an
Indianapolis Colts to work in the replay room or something.

(44:11):
The Colts because the respect they had for the NCAA
and the suspension, Julize suspended Jim Trussell, so he was
unable to perform his duties for the first six games
of the year for the Indianapolis Colts. I think we
all know the answer. Yeah, any chance that Roger Goodell
and the NFL, of course not.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
So you talk about the meme that you saw earlier
this week, Adam, I mean, he's not wrong. Urban does
have a point, doesn't he.

Speaker 6 (44:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Okay, I watched you Harball be held to a lesser
standard for something for he did something that was far worse.
All Jim Trussell did was essentially try to protect the
kids and lie about them trading their I guess what
they had cards or whatever, memorabilia for tattoos.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
And he lost his job over it.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
You could argue he was already he already got his punishment,
he got fired from his job, So why the NFL
needs to double down and give him another suspension.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
Terrell Prior would have a sponsorship through Nil from that
tattoo parlor today if he played in college football now,
because things have changed that much. It's a totally different universe.
But I will say this, while it's not apples and oranges,
I think it's like a red delicious apple versus a
Granny Smith when you're trying to parallel these two situations

(45:26):
here between Michigan and what happened back in the day
with Ohio State. Because here's the thing, Jim Harbaugh did
get penalized. He missed three games of consequence on their
run to winning it all. But forget that two years
ago he missed the game against Ohio State. That's not nothing. Huh,

(45:49):
there was some punishment levied. I actually think that's pretty significant.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I'd agree Jim.

Speaker 4 (45:55):
Harbaugh is as good as a coach as we think
he is. Missing him for three of the biggest games
of the season is not nothing. Penn State was one
of them, right.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 2 (46:02):
And there's also the element of so if everything were
to be equal, I guess you should say Goodell should.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
Have a uniform rule how he handles this.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
It's kind of like the Ray Rice situation is basically
what changed the NFL's domestic violence policy, where at that
point in time it was up to the commissioner's discretion
based on facts and evidence. Now it's like, if you
are deemed to have violated the policy, you get an
automatic six games. It does not matter what the commissioner's
opinion is. So maybe there should be something if you're
going to do it this way, and I don't think
it should be by the way. And I'll tell you

(46:31):
in a second, why have a blanket rule? If you
committed some sort of a fraction against the nc double
A while you were in college, whatever their penalty is levied,
we will do our own investigation of it. And we
have the right to levy a penalty as well, based
on whatever that infraction could have been. But my issue
with that is when would you ever, let's say you

(46:53):
ran if you were a Google employee or something, and
you ran a foul of some sort of code of
conduct rule or something.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
If I was a Google employee, I'd be above the end.
Roger Goodell would be He'd be chasing me down exactly.
This competition is Google and Apple and they let you
go or you walk away, resignation, whatever you want to
call it, and Apple hires you. You know, should Apple
suspend you because you left Google under bad pretenses?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
No, that's not their obligation to do that. It's a
different entity in organization. If they choose to, I guess
they could, But the fact that people are thinking, like
Urban Myers statements, like they're almost under an obligation to
do it, I don't think the NFL is obligated to
do it, and personally I don't think they should.

Speaker 4 (47:30):
I think when Pete Carroll left USC around twenty ten
and the sanctions all came down and it was a
much stiffer fine penalty, it was punitive.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
Loss of national championships, loss of scholarships. They had an
undefeated season where they couldn't even play in the postseason, right,
just like Urban Meyer and Ohio State, by the way,
and that's why he's so better.

Speaker 4 (47:52):
He was affected by what happened with Jim Tressel back then.
And also he was seven and zero against Jim Harbaugh,
the head Urban would have gotten the job if Jim Trussell,
wh hadn't gotten fired, So there's that part too.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
This is fair. Yeah, you can't have it both ways.

Speaker 4 (48:05):
But I don't love the idea of guys being able
to fly the coop kind.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Of cut and run.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Yeah, it's a bad look optics wise, to just get
away from facing any consequences by going to the level
up into the pros and college football's pros now too.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
But yeah, and it always was. Really I don't love that.

Speaker 4 (48:28):
I don't mind the idea of being able to suspend guys.
But I hear what you're saying. What legal recourse does
the NFL really have? Like if they tried that against
Jim Harbaugh, you might be able to fight it and win.
Do they want to be entangled in a legal case
with a head coach who, by the by the way,

(48:50):
he's in year two now with the Chargers, it just
feels like, yes, it's unresolved. It feels like the end
of Poulter. Guys, they just get in the car and
drive away. Feels like that with Michigan and some of
the people who were there that committed the wrongdoing. They
got away scott free. But there's just no clean way
to do this either. It just it seems like everybody

(49:12):
just kind of wants it to go away and they
don't want to obviously punish that people have had nothing
to do with it at the university.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Now that's the main issue here with the NCAAA.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, which I kind of applaud And again the NCAA
is also saying the only reason they didn't levy harsh
or penalties is because it's not as if Michigan didn't
play with or they did play with ineligible players, so
it'll be different. The Terrell prior situation because he got
these improper benefits stupid as it might have been at
the time, and even the Reggie Bush situation, Yeah, is
these are players who, if we knew about these things

(49:43):
that were happening, would not have been eligible to play.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
They wouldn't have been on the field, they couldn't have
affected things.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
And again I go back to your acting like coaching
staff stealing signs is not affecting the products on the
field too. Now, you're right, the players might not be ineligible,
but they're getting information that they otherwise would not have.

Speaker 3 (49:57):
That's giving them an advantage over their opponents.

Speaker 4 (49:59):
To Urban, My point though, is where's the fairness here?
The punishments aren't equal. Well, yeah, of course, it's like
the truth is, though, if you're looking for equal or
fair punishment in any form of life, forget sports. I mean,
you're gonna have a tough time, especially because of how
different things are with the NCAA, which is basically toothless
compared to where they were in twenty thirteen and the

(50:21):
broad latitude they had to hand down punishment with it
felt like they could do whatever they wanted. They were
still operating under the guise of amateur sports. Everything's changed
now it's big business and it's right in front of
us with nil. So it's not comparable to twenty thirteen.

Speaker 3 (50:39):
Urban. I'm sorry, Yes, it's not fair. Life ain't fair.

Speaker 4 (50:44):
Michigan fans are happy about this, and Ohio State fans
are salty, and that's not gonna end.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
A great philosopher one said that fair is where a
pig gets a blue ribbon, Babe.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
Basically, yeah, do you give a ribbon to a pig.
That's what fair is. That'll do, pig.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
You know what's fair.

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Speaker 5 (52:57):
I'm doing well? First of all, I'm just stoked that
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Speaker 12 (53:06):
I'm down.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Let's make it work.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
First thing, I think I've been talking revenge. I feel
like there's a player out there that's been getting revenge
on Kevin and I for a while, saying that he
may be done soon.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
And by soon, I meant.

Speaker 4 (53:18):
He was supposed to be cooked three or four years ago,
and yet he's still going. How hig are you picking
Derrick Henry because it just seems like he's an agelest
wonder right now. I counted his days two years ago
at least.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
No. First of all, you do that intro for Derek Kennry, Like, wait,
I thought we're talking Lebron. What's going on over here?

Speaker 3 (53:36):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
No, Look, Dereck Henry's a Hall of Famer man. He's
one of my favorite players of all time, and obviously
he is truly one of he's like one of one man.
He's a degenerational player. But yeah, this year I am
not investing in Derrick Henry, mostly because listen, your listeners
can google this man. But it's the curse of three
seventy and the basic is when a running back gets

(54:01):
three hundred and seventy or more touches in a season,
the next year, they're a high injury risk and or
a risk for serious decline in efficiency in productivity. Two
times that this has happened to Derrick Henry, and both
times he has suffered the curse of three seventy. One
time he missed eight games and then the second time
he saw twenty five percent reduction in overall yards. Right,

(54:24):
so he's coming off of a three hundred and eighty
plus touch season this year, I'm a little bit worried.
We're talking about an older running back as well. We
don't really like running backs past the age of twenty nine. He's,
you know, again, at thirty one years old, coming off
of a high touch, high volume season. Derreck Henry, I
love him, He's a Hall of Famer, but this year,
considering cost at the end of the first round. I'm

(54:46):
probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Pass James co joining us here on Fox Sports Saturday,
Kevin figures in Adam Auson with you. What about some
of the other running backs specifically, I'll start with rookie
because I know Ashtion Gentz is a guy that a
lot of people love and people wont gaga over one
highlight from last week where he ran over a forty
nine or defender. What's your outlook when it comes to
Ashton Genzy and the kind of fantasy impact he could
have this year as a rookie.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Oh my god, I love Ashton gent First of all,
He's an absolute stud in a maniac I love. I
kind of wish Ship Kelly didn't make him change his stance,
you know, like I love that crazy psychopath stance that
he's got in the backfield anyways, But no, Look, he's
playing for a coach that wants to run the pits
out of the ball right in Pete Carroll. And he's
also playing for an offensive coordinator and Ship Kelly that

(55:28):
knows how to get the maximum out of his running backs, right.
So this has been this is a duo here in
terms of the coaching staff. There for Las Vegas. That man,
when you just start adding it all up, Gendy's got
a real possibility to just be an absolutely special player,
especially his rookie season. I would not be surprised if

(55:48):
he just comes out the gates and just gives you
fifteen hundred and eighteen hundred yards, gives you twelve to
thirteen touchdowns as well. I love the setup for him.
They revamped the offense, and it's not to me. It's
an offense that is actually pretty good when you look
at it on paper. Overall, they made a huge quarterback upgrade.
Their wide receivers got upgraded as well. They add an

(56:09):
athletic wide receiver on the outside of Deontay Thorton. I
love Jack Besh. I mean, shoot, you've got two tight
ends that can play as well, and Brock Bowers and
Michael Meher. This team set up to succeed. Guys. The
offense actually looks pretty good considering where this offense was
at last year. I really like the Raiders. I think
they're going to surprise some folks. Obviously they're in the

(56:31):
toughest division in football. But Jint's gonna have a huge
impact to me. When you talk about Pete Carroll and
Chip Kelly having influence over the run game.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
Speaking of that division here, James who's getting the bulk
of the carries for the Denver Broncos. Some think RJ
Harvey because steal carries from Dobbins.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
How are you feeling about that?

Speaker 5 (56:52):
I don't even consider Dobbins to be I just don't
consider Dobbins at all. I know he had a good
season last year on a play under Jim Harball, but
I mean, at this point in his career, I think
last year was a huge outlier in terms of health,
not just for him, but just for the running back
position in general. It was absolutely insane how no running

(57:13):
backs really got hurt last year, and I think that's
going to be a huge outlier. We're just talking like,
you know, thirty thousand feet in the sky. I really
want to go zero RB this year in terms of
a draft strategy. And I know all the boomers out
there listening, fantasy boomers out there, like, you got to
take a running back early, bro, That's how you win
a league, now, listen. I just think this year there's

(57:34):
going to be a return to the mean. I think
a lot more star running backs are going to get hurt.
I think we're going to see a lot more movement
in terms of you know, backup running backs getting some play.
And it's funny. So now you talk about JK. Dobbins,
who's been one of the both injured running backs up
the last five years, and somehow, some way, this dude

(57:55):
stays healthy last year, right Like he is truly the
encapsulation of what I'm talking about running back staying healthy
last year. So no, I'm not really considering him, mostly because, man, RJ.
Harvey is the real deal. I charted him this offseason.
I charted a bunch of rookies as well. If you
guys want to go find my Workpune Reception Perception or

(58:15):
on my own personal side sleeper King football dot Com.
Let just give a little shout out there Harvey to me, man,
you know what, your baseball fan listeners will love this.
I compared RJ. Harvey to he's the football version of
Adam Dunn, okay, because he hits a lot of home runs,
but he also strikes out a ton as well. So

(58:37):
from the running back position, guys, RJ. Harvey is the
kind of player that's going to get you, that's going
to get stuffed at the line a bunch, but man,
if he breaks a tackle.

Speaker 7 (58:46):
He's gone.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
I mean, this guy has absolute home run ability. It
just happens to be that his vision isn't the best
and his tackle breaking is also not the best either.
So he's a home runner, strikeout player. But I really
like RJ.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
Harvey.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
I think Sean Payton's gonna get the absolute most out
of him. For sure. He should be a priority in
the middle rounds when you're taking a look at running back.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
James Co, fantasy football expert for Roder Wire, joining us
here on Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 3 (59:13):
Kevin Figures and Adam Austen with you guys.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
So since we're talking running backs, we'll go to the
top few picks of the draft because I think Jamar Chase,
based on a lot of rankings, is kind of the
number one overall guy regardless of position. If you have
the top pick, most people believe you take Jamar Chase,
and then it kind of gets a little murky if
you're talking about Saquon Barkley, who had a great.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Year last year.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
If these are Robinson obviously high up there for a
lot of people on the board. Justin Jefferson obviously had
great talent, but there's an unknown at the quarterback position
there with essentially a rookie and McCarthy being his quarterback.
So as far as how the top five or so
picks go in terms of receivers and running backs, how
does that stack up for you?

Speaker 4 (59:49):
James?

Speaker 5 (59:50):
I know that Saquon Barkley Again, I just feel so
bad because I love Saquon Barkley. He's one of my
favorite players of all time. You know, he wasted a
couple of years there in New York as they were
trying to figure out their stuff, and wow, I can't
believe New York is I mean, bro, they get this
is what's so crazy. They gave Darius Slayton the contract
that Saquon Barkley wanted.

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
Bro, are you serious right now?

Speaker 5 (01:00:11):
Come on, guys, like, what do you guys do? Anyways, So, again,
I love Sakuon Barkley, but I just talked about the
Curse of three seventy with Derek Henry. Bro sakwon Barkley
last year had four hundred and eighty two touches last year. Again,
and then again, I'm dovetailing back into my conversation about
running back staying healthy. Sakuon Barkley, as much as I

(01:00:32):
love the guy, has dealt with a lot of injuries
in his career, and yet somehow, someway, this dude stayed
healthy pretty much all season long last year despite the
heavy workload. Again, if I truly believe that we're coming,
we're going to go back to the norm here and
back to the mean, I think Sakuon Barkley is at
the forefront of that idea.

Speaker 12 (01:00:52):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
So I just think that Saquon Barkley is either going
to see a breakdown in health and or efficiency. Overall,
I'm not investing in him as a top two player
and I could absolutely be wrong. And let me just
say this, let me get this out the cuff, man, Like,
if I'm wrong, you know what, I'll happily eat that.
You know why, because that means we got seventeen games

(01:01:13):
at Saquon Barkley, right, And like, to me, that's more
important than just being right, you know. Like I'd rather
just say I'd rather just as a fan, rather see
seventeen games at Saquon Barkley. That's good football, man, you know.
But I just think, again, when we're talking about fantasy football,
I'm not investing a top two pick in Saquon because
I do think the injury risk is extraordinarily high. If

(01:01:34):
we're talking top five here and you want to go
running back, you know, go ahead and give me Jamir Gibbs.
I think he's going to go. I think he's gonna
go ham Sandwich, right like Ben Johnson is gone. There's
no guarantees that David Montgomery continues to see a fifty
percent workload. Again, it's it was pretty much a fifty
to fifty backfield there, and Kamir Gibbs was still the

(01:01:55):
RB one last year. Like, let's just think about that,
Like what happens if he sees sixty five percent of
the touches, which is absolutely possible. I think I could
absolutely crush and go crazy. I think Jon Robinson should
also be in consideration as a top three pick as well. Again,
another player that has got great hands. When you're talking
about PPR formats man, like, this guy's gonna absolutely get

(01:02:16):
the work, and he got a lot of work last
year too, So I think those you know, when you're
talking about running backs, I do like Boujon and I
definitely like Jamiir Gibbs as well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:26):
Fantasy football expert James Coe is our guest here on
the FNA on FSR show. So James, let's take things
the other way. Then somebody who couldn't stay healthy last
season would be Christian McCaffrey. Can he have a bounce
back year or his best years behind him?

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
No? I mean, this is what's crazy. The conversation about
Christian McCaffrey is like it's like having any conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
About his lore, about like about.

Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
Like legacy, like oh you know, I'm like, oh you
remember cemc twenty twenty three, y'all. It's like, hey, yeah, right,
But I mean we're playing at twenty twenty five, my guy,
Like what are we doing out here? Like I don't
I don't understand, Like he's a he's a you know,
a universally accepted top twelve player, and it just I

(01:03:12):
don't get it, Like I just don't understand. This is
a player that again is coming off of multiple lower
you know, body injuries. He had the Achilles thing, which
I don't think. I'm not a doctor, but does that
just like go away all of a sudden, Like I
don't think it does, Like I think the Achilles is Yeah,
it's still very much a concern. And then again, he

(01:03:33):
suffered a season ending knee injury last year. Guys, right,
and yet we're talking about him at the age of
twenty nine like he's going to bounce back and you know,
like it's not going to be a big thing. Like
for me, I just don't understand twenty nine year old
running backs coming off of multiple lower body injuries, one

(01:03:55):
of them is a season ending knee injury. They just
don't bounce back, you know, Like so from me again,
given the price, Now, I'm not absolutely he's absolutely not
on my draft list. He's on my donot draft list
for sure as a top twelve player. Like if he
dropped down to like twenty five or thirty, yeah, sure,
let me take a stab at that. But I just

(01:04:16):
don't see it. I don't. I just do not understand
how he can be the dominant force that he was
in twenty twenty three coming off of those injuries. And
can I also say this, I think we're just kind
of sort of like I don't know, YadA YadA. In
the San Francisco offense in general, Brandon AUT's not Juwan

(01:04:37):
Jennings hasn't practiced. Guys like Deebo Samuels across the coast,
Like what are we talking about right now? Like CMC
is still recovering, Like the offense could legitimately be trash.
I mean, I love Rockie Pearsol because he's going to
see a ton of work, But I mean, again, what
does rock Perty look like when he's not playing with

(01:04:58):
the Avengers bro I mean that's a big question mark.
Like I love George Kittle too, but again, I think
brock Perty made some strides last year, but I don't
think anyone is considering brock Purty to be, you know,
like a top five or top seven talent in the NFL.
So I'm confused. I think San Francisco, there's a lot

(01:05:18):
of ways this can go south. And in relation to CMC,
if it's not a good offense with then what are
we really talking about here right when it's the most
efficient offense in the NFL. Yeah, sure, one hundred percent.
This guy's got twenty touchdown upside. It's not he just
doesn't have that upside anymore. So I don't understand why
we're risking it for a top twelve selection.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Let's go to what tight ends next there, James, I
know a lot of people feel that in year two,
Rock Bauer's probably already the best at least receiving tight
end in the NFL, and now he's going to have
an actual quarterback throwing him the ball on a weekend
week out basis, I personally was burned by taking Sam
Laporte a little earlier than I probably should have last year.
But I was banking on him doubling up what he
did from his rookie season and he kind of fell off.

Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
A little bit and had some injury issues.

Speaker 4 (01:06:00):
Just the overall tight end landscape, you know who the
best one is, where do you end up taking them second,
third round? How do you see the tight end market
shake it out? From a fantasy standpoint?

Speaker 5 (01:06:10):
So I love that you brought up Brock Balers, because yes,
he is absolutely, you know, if not the best. He's
in the top two in terms of pass catching tight ends.
But him going in the top fifteen picks right now
is absolutely bonkers and insane and just I think people
are just not paying attention. I just talked about how
the Las Vegas Raiders completely revamped their offensive, you know, structure, right,

(01:06:34):
They add a quarterback, which is great.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:36):
It's going to be more.

Speaker 13 (01:06:37):
Efficient, for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
But this guy was just a straight up volume monster
last year. Right, and again they add Jack Bash, they
add Ashton Genty right like okay, and they're already talking
about it's going to be twelve personnel with Michael Mayer. Okay, Well,
we're starting to lose some targets now. Again, I just
don't see how he maintained the volume that he had

(01:06:58):
last year, Like, how does he Someone needs to explain
to me. How does he do it? How does he
go about seeing you know, one hundred and fifty targets
or whatever it was that he saw last year. That's
insane to me. That just doesn't happen. I wants your
name is Travis kelce That just doesn't happen. I mean again,
I love Rock Bowers, See's not Travis Kelcey. You know, like,

(01:07:21):
let's be real here, you know, like Brock Bowers is good,
He's just not Travis Kelcey, man. Like, so I don't know.
For him to go in the top fifteen is absolutely
bonkers to me and just completely ignores the offensive landscape
that they have in Las Vegas. But when we're talking
about a true tight end one it's got to be
Trade McBride. You know, again, he's already has a built
in chemistry. He's already you know, one of the top

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guys at the position period. You're getting a little bit
of a discount on him because again people are over
spending for brock Bowers. Trade McBride's going later. If you
want to spend at tight end, go ahead and get
Trey McBride. And I think George Kittle, Samuela Porta, TJ.
Hokinson are kind of sort of in that group of
the next guys up. It's Trey McBride won clearly for me.

(01:08:05):
Brock Bowers and the rest of those guys that I
just mentioned are in the next tier down. And man,
I would just say this, let me give some fantasy
advice for the folks out there. You've probably heard of
like you know, dead zone running backs. These are running
backs that you take in the middle rounds, like anywhere
between rounds four to eight, and people generally say you
should avoid that because there's a lot of turnover in

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those running backs. There's just you know, inefficiencies in that area.
I would say the exact same thing for the tight
end position. You really want to avoid all of these
mid round tight ends, like the David and Joku's David,
the Evan Ingram's of the world, the John hus Smith's,
like Dalton Kincaid, Like. I don't want any of those
guys because I think the guys at the bottom of

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the draft board at tight end are gonna be, I mean,
just as good as some of these guys, if not better.
And if we're taking a look at late round tight end,
why can't Kyle Pits, Yo, why can't Kyle Pits be
a little something something? He's a tight end fifteen right now?
He's going so late, he's going outside the top, you know,

(01:09:09):
one hundred and twenty five picks. Man. Again, we're not
investing a third round pick like we were in the past.
Kyle Pitts is going so late. I actually think that
he's of value. Now. We've gone from overvalue to undervalued
on Kyle Pitts, and I really like taking a stab
at him later in the draft.

Speaker 4 (01:09:25):
So we're not going to have the sleeper king on
without asking for some guys who are definitely on the
ambient and in hibernation right now. Give us a couple
of guys that people could use to help win on
the margins and maybe win their league.

Speaker 5 (01:09:37):
Here, James, Okay, so again, you know I'm laying out
some dudes here. I really like Jordan Mason. He's the
RB thirty five right now. He's going outside the top
one hundred and ten picks. Aaron Jones is again getting
a little bit longer in the twos. He's going to
his age thirty one season again. A guy who has
dealt with injury throughout his career but somehow somewhat played

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a career high seventeen games last year and had a
career high three hundred and six touches. Guys, He's coming
back down, man, it is coming back down. Jordan Mason
is going to run in that koc system really really well.
I really like him as a late round running back.
If there's another player I'm really looking at, it might
be Trey Benson. He's the RB forty seven. He's going
outside the top one fifty again. He has another player

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in front of him, James Connor, who somehow some way
stayed healthy, which is just bonkers. James Connor has dealt
with so many injuries throughout his career. He's thirty years
old now, and I do think that he's going to
have some injury issues and some inefficiency issues as well.
Trey Benson a tremendous athlete. Two hundred and fifteen pounds,
he ran a four three ninety. In regards to wide receivers, Dude,

(01:10:44):
I just I find myself if I don't leave my
draft with either Ricky Piersoll or Romo Dunze, I'm pissed.
You know, these two guys have a real chance to
break through in year number two A Mecca Abuca, Oh
my god, he's flying up draft boards right now. But
still I think he's in that sleeper range. I think
he's gonna have an absolute banger of a first six

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weeks to the season. We'll see how long it takes
Chris Godwin to come back. But to Mecca Book, I
love this kid out of Ohio State. Definitely reached for him.
Once you get into the ninth round here and then
at quarterback man Trevor Lawrence, people have the hate has
gone too.

Speaker 1 (01:11:23):
Far, y'all.

Speaker 5 (01:11:24):
You know, like, is he the best quarterback prospect since
Andrew Locke? No, obviously not, But why are we double
telling me that now and saying he's trash Like That's
what drives me crazy. You know, it's like, oh, well,
he's trash like. He wasn't a golden child, so he
must be trash like. No, Trevor Lawrence is a damn

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good quarterback. He has dealt with some of the worst
coaching that we have ever seen at the quarterback position,
and yet he's still been somewhat okay. And oh, by
the way, his past catchers have also not been good.
So now he's got too gool great pass catchers and
Brian Thomas Junior and Travis Hunter. He's got a good too,

(01:12:06):
great head coach, offensive coach, and Liam Cohen coming into
du ball as well. Dude, I'm telling you right now,
Mark the tape, y'all, Trevor Lawrence is going to finish
as a top ten fantasy quarterback. You know, as man,
that's not even bold enough for the sleeper King bro.
Trevor Lawrence is finishing as a top eight fantasy quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Mark the Tape.

Speaker 7 (01:12:27):
F hated that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
Okay, we're going to save that one. James for sure.
James Coe the fantasy football expert for Roda Wire, and
you heard him breaking down the receivers so eloquently a
couple of seconds ago. That's because he's also a co
owner of Reception Perception. Tell us what reception perception is
all about? There, James, you guys are doing some really
exciting stuff over there.

Speaker 5 (01:12:46):
Oh thank you man. Yeah, hey, listen, you know this
is how we market ourselves. We are the mom and
pop version of PFF. So again, if you love football,
you love analytics, you come to our site. We're the
mom and pop version of PFF. We've got just introduced
this offseason. We just introduced running back charting. Your boy
over here, the Sleeper King is doing some running back charting.

(01:13:08):
Now we've got quarterback charting. We of course, are known
for the wide receiver charting. It's the best wide receiver
data that you're going to find on the market period,
hands down. I don't care. You can argue with your
mom about who is better at wide receiver analysis. I'm
going to tell you right now, I'm going to kpe
up for my boy, Matt Harmon and Reception Perception. We
built this whole company, We built the whole website around

(01:13:29):
what he does because he's so dang good at it.
But again, we've added some quarterback stuff. We've added running
back charting as well. And yeah, like I said, man,
we take a lot of private and kind of being
this plucky underdog man where it's a mom and pop
version of PFF. But I think that if you go
to the site, you sign up for a subscription, man,
you will not be disappointed. You will get some serious

(01:13:50):
analysis and a lot of contextual analysis as well. It's
not just numbers man like, it's guys that love football
and have watched football for decades man. And that's the
kind of contextual you know, writing that you're gonna get
on the site as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:08):
He is James d.

Speaker 14 (01:14:09):
Coo.

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Follow him at James d.

Speaker 4 (01:14:11):
Coo on X and on the Gram and yeah, he's
the best in the business. Argue with the wall if
you got a problem with that. James, thanks for doing
this back here on the FNA takeover of Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
All right too, Oh good stuff, James, Thank you. Man,
I missed him. It's been too long.

Speaker 4 (01:14:27):
He's a staple on the FNA show. Yeah, James co
check him out. Perception Perception dot Com wrote.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
A wired called cover of the NFL. As far as
fantasy goes.

Speaker 3 (01:14:37):
He is passionate.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
He does it in an entertaining fashion, so he can
make some of my new show with the stats and
the analytics a little bit more digestible for you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
So, Adam, you do something passionately. Oh and that is
your geeking news segments. So what do we have coming
up next segment?

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
You know there's another show that's three episodes in that
I highly recommend for you.

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
It's not us this time.

Speaker 4 (01:14:57):
We're listening to Adam Oslin and Kevin Figures here on
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:15:03):
Back in the f and a takeover of Fox Sports Radio.
Kevin Figures, Adam Austin here with you on Fox Sports Saturday.
Hit us up on the Socials at k FIG one
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We did it week one here on the f and
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Let's up, guys, We're all don't be chos that I've
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Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Just keep your Powell close.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
Up her path race watch out Kenviln.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
You know, Kevin, We've talked a lot of TV and
movies and geek news over the years, and I've had
plenty of reviews, but I do find myself going to
the theater less and less as I get older, and
considering most of the movies end up on streaming in
like a month or two.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Anyways, you don't really need to go.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
And well, especially with the tickets going up to like
thirty seven dollars to go to a movie, and that's
just the ticket itself, that doesn't count the popcorn or
whatever unhealthy, unhealthy crap you want to buy to eat.

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Person kick in the back of your chair annoying you
the entire time, so then you want to throw your
drink that costed fifteen dollars on them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
The kids yelling and screaming at the air, like, lady,
why did you bring your kid to like a Halloween movie?

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
What's wrong with you? This is Halloween?

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
You know. We're also able to live in this golden
era of television. So I'm here to plead with everyone
listening to watch this particular show because if you don't,
we may not get to a second season. And I
can't have this discontinued like Winning Time Was or mind
Hunter or Rome. I will not let another family guy

(01:16:46):
or arrested development situations take place, or firefly.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
Or we have to wait years for it to re emerge.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
I need your eyeballs on this eyeball monster that's in
this show. I'm talking about a Alien.

Speaker 3 (01:17:00):
Earth just came out. Okay, Oh yeah, Mark with the TV.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Show based on the movie franchise that has five thousand
movies already out.

Speaker 3 (01:17:09):
Well, this is the thing here we mentioned in passing
last week.

Speaker 4 (01:17:13):
I already have recommended it to everybody, but I want
to take it a step further because we're three episodes
in and it's looking really good. Okay, this is the
best thing that has happened for the Alien franchise since
Aliens in nineteen eighty six, or maybe David Fincher's Alien
three Special Edition version.

Speaker 3 (01:17:29):
I've lost count Yeah. Are there predators in this TV
show too?

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
Or not yet? Okay, but if we get to enough seasons, Kevin,
we may get some predators.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Now you're thinking, I like this ray, We'll get Arnold
in there? Why not?

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Most of the time, Yes, the legacy sequels are bad.
The TV shows based off of movies are bad. But
the guy who's adapting the movies to television here is
the showrunner for Fargo, so he's already done it, which
praised with the Coen Brothers movie Fargo that turned into
a great sea that's on FX, just like Alien Earth.

(01:18:03):
Now he just has to adapt the old Alien movies
into this, and he's doing a great job so far.
Alien Earth is incredible. Like I'm three episodes in and
I'm already saying game over, man, It's game over, but
in a good way. Like Kenny Smith after Vince Carter
had that big dunk in the Dunk Contest in two
thousand and was saying, let's go home, Superman.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
Yeah, it's over, ladies and gentlemen. Like this show is here.
It is that good.

Speaker 4 (01:18:31):
The tone is perfect. It feels like the successor to
Ridley Scott's and James Cameron's interpretations of aliens, Alien and
Aliens respectively. They did those two movies great directors. Now
there's some interesting plot lines. There's cyborgs in it, there's synthetics,
there's hybrids. It focuses and opens up the world a

(01:18:53):
little bit more so. It's not just aliens because you
know they gotta fill ten episodes a season. There's hybrid aliens, well,
hybrid people, hybrid people. It's it's complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
So those half alien half people, I mean that was
an alien resurrection.

Speaker 4 (01:19:11):
A rider and the basketball scene with Sigourney Weaver where
she really makes that shot where she throws it behind her.

Speaker 3 (01:19:17):
You're right, there have been a lot of different.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
This is the one that's going to work though, Alien Earths,
the TV version is going to work. They're exploring deep
philosophical questions like what it means to be human, all
while having aesthetically pleasing action scenes with the Xeno Morph
going maximum carnage on a bunch of soldiers.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Yes, hide the women and children from this FX show.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
It is. It is. I don't know if it's raded
R how they do TV ratings, but you know it's
on FX for a reason. I'm excited for this show.
We're three episodes in. I want you guys to watch along,
so more people are checking it out, and the ratings
boost happens and there's a big spike and we get
a season two. Because I think this could be Dare
I say the next epic like Game of Thrones?

Speaker 2 (01:20:06):
Sounds like that zombie show that was on forever that
people got tired of and they adapted it for TV.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
But instead of zombies, it's Aliens the Walking Dead.

Speaker 4 (01:20:13):
Yeah, that one, okay, Now, that had a couple good
seasons and then fell off quickly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
This will not, I promise Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Speaking of falling off quickly, we'll talk about some athletes
who add to have a resurrection On Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Yeah, speaking of big games, it is week zero of
the college football season coming up just a few hours
from now, so we will get into that this hour,
huge game in the Big twelve across the pond in Ireland,
So we'll talk about that coming up in a little bit.
But this is an interesting thing that Adam and I
were discussing a little bit earlier on Friday, when it
comes to players and athletes who for whatever reason don't

(01:21:30):
necessarily succeed in their first stop. It could be injuries,
it could be other circumstances, and we wonder whether or
not there are some athletes who just don't get a
fair shot and then all of a sudden, the circumstances
follow their way. You know, lo behold, they end up
having a pretty damn good career when it's all said
and done.

Speaker 4 (01:21:46):
You know, our friend Petro's Papadakis likes to say football
is often circumstantial. I would say sports in general apply there,
like it matters who you go to, what team you
end up on, the opportunity you're going to get, the
reps you're going to get out there. So a lot
of this comes down to right place, right time.

Speaker 3 (01:22:07):
Yeah, it really does. It really does.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
Like going no Breebery was bringing this topic up initially
because what we've seen with Baker Mayfield, this is somebody
that was going to be a perennial backup after what
happened with the Cleveland Browns, and I felt like he
kind of got a raw deal there. And then applies
to this theme because he helped them get to the

(01:22:29):
playoffs and win their first playloff game since what the
early nineties with Bill Belichick, Like he was that.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Good for them, they let him go. He bounces around.

Speaker 4 (01:22:40):
The Carolina Panthers passed on him even though he made
some good passes for them. And now he's what a
two time Pro Bowler with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and
one of the best quarterbacks in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Lest we forget him beating the Raiders after being with
the Rams for about three days.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
I'll never forget that one. I remember that very vividly.

Speaker 4 (01:23:00):
Some guys regain an elite status as he had coming
out of Oklahoma.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Yes, he's got it back.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
Now he is a made man in the NFL. He
has his own team. They're the favors to win their
division again. Now there could be their self inflicted wounds.
A lot of times when it comes to this too.
You know, Baker Mayfield probably would admit it. He wasn't
the most mature when he came out of Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
A lot of dancing, yeah, look at a lot of
six ads and a lot of notoriety before he actually
did anything on the NFL playing field, and that might
have affected his psyche as well. I think back to
Brett Farr. People don't remember the fact that Brett Farvv
was in Atlanta. Yeah, he was the second round pick
of the Falcons because he was a little bit of
a head case and he didn't get along with Jerry Glanville. Now, granted,

(01:23:42):
most people didn't get along with Jerry Glanville. He was
a little bit of a loose cannon, to say the least.
But they shipped him off, and obviously he ends up
being one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of
the sport. I guess would he have turned into that
had he not been traded from Atlanta, None of us.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
I guess we'll never know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
Baker Mayfield definitely had a chip on his shoulder even
during his time with the Browns, But on him, he's
shortened stature, he's chippy, he's fiery out there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:12):
He's a gamer, Actually, I think so.

Speaker 4 (01:24:15):
I'm a fan like honestly, I like seeing guys that
bet on themselves that eventually find a home.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
He's done.

Speaker 4 (01:24:25):
So he's been magnificent with the Buccaneers, but he probably
should still be with the Cleveland Browns. That's just the
bar was so low there, and yet they still moved
on from him, and therefore he qualifies as somebody getting
a raw deal. And that's what we're talking about here.
So we got some other examples. You want to give
me one of yours.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
Here, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
What I thought of, and it does hit close to home,
was rich Gannon. Now, rich Gannon was a backup for
the Minnesota Vikings. Was actually drafted as a defensive back.
Didn't have the greatest completion percentage, didn't have the strongest arm,
but was very scrappy. Plucky, I think is a word
that a lot of people would use. He was a
plucky quarterback. Was a backup in Minnesota, bounced around a
little bit, went to Kansas City. Elvis Gerback gets injured.

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He steps in and I think he leads him to
an eight and eight record or something and has some
pretty good numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
But Elvis comes back healthy. They go with him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
He ends up on the free agent market. The Raiders
have no idea what they're doing with their head coach
named John Gruden, who's thirty something years old and has
never been a coach before, and it says, I like
this Gannon guy. I think he can run my offense.
And the Raiders have the greatest three year run that
they've had in the last fifty years in the early
two thousands, making it to two AFC Championship games and
won Super Bowl. Of course, John Gruden with the Buccaneers

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ended up defeating them, But nobody thought that Rich Gannon
at the age of like thirty five or thirty six,
by the way, he was old when he actually got
his opportunity to be the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
On a team, and he went on to be a
perennial Pro bowler in an MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:25:48):
Did he win the MVP outright or did he share
it with Steve McNair, mimus.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Steve nair shared it with Peyton Manning that one year.
I forget what year that was, but he won that
award outright. In the two thousand and two that was
the year they lost to the Bucks in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
Dominant with the West Coast offense throwing it to two
forty year olds on the outside with Tim Brown and
Jerry Rice.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
That's honestly one of.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
The craziest things when you look back at wide receivers,
guys at the skill position at that age, just wearing
out young defensive backs. That was a special time in
the NFL. That was a special Raiders team that probably
should have won at least one Super Bowl.

Speaker 11 (01:26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
You had Tim Brown and Jerry Rice who were like
thirty eight and thirty seven respectively or something, and both
of them had thousand yard seasons, both of them ten
plus touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
It really was remarkable.

Speaker 4 (01:26:36):
Now, I have some examples of guys getting a raw deal,
but they don't necessarily see the pot of gold at
the end of the rainbow. Oh, they don't necessarily see
the promise of redemption story, but they definitely qualify as
raw deals. Okay, we'll stick with the quarterback theme here.
Our friend Rodney Pete, Oh yeah, you know, he arrived
in Carolina in two thousand and two and the Panthers

(01:26:57):
are coming off a one in fifteen season and Kevin.
They were lucky they didn't play seventeen games back then
because it would have been one in sixteen, I promise you,
Chris Wanki he was old and busted as a rookie
because he was thirty what basically, I think he was
twenty nine when he entered the NFL. That was their
starting quarterback. They go out and get Rodney Pete from

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the Raiders at that time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
I think that it was.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Marcus Tuyasa Sopo who they drafted, who beat who took
his place? Well, if I had to give you not
that most people want to hear about the history of
the Raiders. First of all, the only reason Rodney Pete
was a Raider was because the previous year in the
AFC Championship game, Tony Sierragusa separate separator rich Gannon's shoulder
intentionally and there was a No. I don't want to
call him a nobody and be disrespectful. There's a guy

(01:27:43):
named Bobby Hoying who nobody had ever heard of, who
was rich Gannon's backup, and they had to throw him
in there against one of the greatest defenses in the
history of the sport, in the Baltimore Ravens.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
Was he a former Seahawk or a Saint? Bobby Joyns
sure don't matter.

Speaker 3 (01:27:56):
It didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
So to avoid that from happening, they went out and
signed Rodney Pete to be Rich Cannon's backup in two
thousand and one. And of course two thousand and one
was the Tucker Rule game. So Rodney laments all the
time how he was on the sideline when the entire
Tuck Rule situation with Tom Brady happened. So that was
the one year that Rodney was with the Raiders was
to be Rich's backup. And that year in the draft
they drafted Marcus tu Yasosopo out of Washington to be

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to groom him to be the quarterback and waiting behind Rich.
Of course that didn't work out.

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Well, that's you reliving your pain with the Raiders. I
really lives some of mine with the Panthers here. So
George Seaford comes in, but got fired after that one
in fifteen season. Remember he said he'd bring them a
super Bowl. Instead, he brought them their worst year ever.

Speaker 3 (01:28:38):
He brought the super Bowl experience that he had from
San Francisco.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
He did, where was that he brought that with mounted
to Jack John Fox took over with Jack del Rio
as his defensive coordinator. That's where I was going with that.
And Rodney Pete, at the age of thirty seven, took
over in the two thousand and two season and they
went from a one in fifteen team to a seven

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to nine team. They won six more games thanks to
Rodney Pete Steven Davis running the football in a revamped
defense after they drafted Julius Peppers, but Rodney Pete gave
them stability at the quarterback position they hadn't had in
Carolina since a couple of years with the West Coast
offense in George Seaford.

Speaker 3 (01:29:21):
Being paired up with Steve Burlin. That Rodney Pete was
critical to them. Steve Berlin another former Raider great by
the way.

Speaker 4 (01:29:28):
The very next season, Rodney Pete goes in at the
starter and in the first game of the year, he
gets passed over at the half when they're down seventeen
to nothing. He gets benched for Jake dell Ome, a
guy who couldn't start in the NFL Europe because Kurt

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Warner was in front of him, couldn't start for the
lowly Saints, which is pathetic.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
I mean, how could that happen?

Speaker 4 (01:29:59):
And somehow they noticed he had some player to him
during the offseason during training camp, during the preseason, and
Rodney Pete goes from getting them six more wins the
year before to being benched for Jake dell Ome at
the half in Game one the very next season.

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Well, what happens.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Jake dell Ome has an amazing comeback, throws a touchdown
to Ricky Proll in that first game on a fourth
and eleven. The rest is history is they go to
the Super Bowl and eventually lose to the Patriots. Rodney
Pete only threw one more pass in his career after
being benched for Jake dell Ome.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
I would say that's a bit of a raw deal.
It's a raw deal. It's really hard to argue against it. Obviously,
I love Rodney. When the result is basically just losing
the Super Bowl by mere seconds because John Casey kicks
the ball out of bounds and gives Tom Brady thirty
yards to work with.

Speaker 4 (01:30:56):
Maybe Rodney Pete would have won that Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:30:58):
Man, who knows it's possible. Here's one for Major League
Baseball that I think a lot of people forget. Do
you remember that David Ortiz started his career with the
Minnesota Twins oh yeah, Yeah, started with the Minnesota Twins,
and because he was up on arbitrade and he was
a good player, he was not He didn't turn into
big poppy David Ortiz like he was in Boston. But

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he was a good, solid, productive player for the Twins
at the time. But coming up on arbitration, knew they'd
have to pay him, didn't want to do it. And
they also had Matt Lukroi, who most people outside of
Minnesota probably don't even know who that is, lined up
as the DH and they thought that he was a
better fit for them at DH than David Ortiz. So
they decided to let David Ortiz walk away in free

(01:31:39):
agency and sign with the Boston Red Sox. If you're
the Minnesota Twins, you realize you could have had David Ortiz,
Joe Mauer, and Justin Morena all at the same time,
all on their prime. They fumbled big time. This is
Ernest Byner fumbling in the red zone. Yeah, Minnesota, that
I mean talking about not getting it.

Speaker 4 (01:32:00):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:32:01):
He got his shot with Boston and it probably ended
up being better for it. But you talk about it
an egregious air in judgment.

Speaker 4 (01:32:07):
Probably Kevin is an absolute legend because of what he
did in two thousand and four definitely fumbled the bag
that the Minnesota Twins when it came to devid Ortiz.
Minnesota had who was it Santana as they're starting to
Francisco Lynn d'Or before his arm fell off. They had

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some teams Francisco Ariano and they couldn't get over the
hump against the Yankees multiple years, just like the A's
back then couldn't in a divisional early series. They kept losing. Yeah,
Minnesota was one of those teams that was always in
the hunt and just couldn't figure it out. All right,
I got another raw deal and while it ended up great,

(01:32:52):
just like the Panthers moving on from Rodney Pete, I
still think this guy kind of got screwed. Eddie Jones,
Eddie with the Los Angeles Lakers. I don't think people
realize how highly touted he was. This was during the
era of Who's going to be the next MJ. It's
the mid nineties. All these Jordan clones are coming into

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the league and Eddie Jones was one of them.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
He ends up in just his.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
Third year being passed by by Kobe Bryant, who gets
drafted in nineteen ninety six, Eddie Jones is out there
on the fast track to be a superstar. Like he'p
had multiple All Star games, he was in, he was
on all defensive teams.

Speaker 3 (01:33:39):
He looked the part. He looked like, you know, the.

Speaker 4 (01:33:43):
First generation iPhone and stuff like he was the first
generation Kobe. He even wore the number six, looks like eight.
They kind of had a resemblance with the way they
cut their hair. Before Kobe grew his out. There were
times where a few Quinn Eddie Jones looked like Kobe.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
Bryant out there. He was a phenomenal athlete. He had
it all.

Speaker 4 (01:34:07):
Michael Jordan complimented him on being one of the best
defenders on him and the Lakers looked like they were
invested in him, that he was going to be the
guy they paired with Shack. But Jerry West drafts Kobe
Bryant and then two years later, Eddie Jones ends up
getting traded to the Charlotte Hornets, who traded Kobe Bryant

(01:34:29):
to the Lakers to begin with. Eddie Jones never fulfilled
that potential that he had, sure didn't, but he was
very high and I think there's an alternate universe where
he stays on with the Lakers and he's Shacks running
mate to a couple championships.

Speaker 2 (01:34:48):
Now, both of us have been critical of Kobe Bryant
throughout his career. Even if Eddie Jones stays there with
the Lakers, he ain't turn it into Kobe.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
He's not turned into Kobe.

Speaker 4 (01:34:59):
But I'll say that he might have been able to
get to a place that was good enough to pair
with Peak Shack as good as and as dominant as
he was to win a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
I don't know if I'd be willing to go that far,
because I mean, what was holding him back when he
went to Charlotte or when he went to Miami from
taking that next step? And it's not like he was
he was playing with Zoe, he was playing with I
guess Larry Johnson at left at that point in time,
there was nobody getting in his way of taking that next.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
Step and that next arc of being a great player.
It's fair.

Speaker 4 (01:35:28):
So I mean it's also fair to say, you know,
depression could set in when you get passed over and
you leave LA like that and you're watching the guy
who took your spot go on to become.

Speaker 3 (01:35:39):
One of the all time greats.

Speaker 4 (01:35:40):
And by the way, I think it is the late
great Kobe Bryant's birthday today. We should acknowledge that here.
But I do think Eddie Jones he didn't do anything wrong.
He didn't do anything wrong. It could be a raw
deal situation.

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
No, no, I'm not saying it wasn't a raw.

Speaker 2 (01:35:54):
Deal, and certain like he certainly could have been an
effective role player for those teams if nothing else would
have been right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:58):
He was a two time all Sorry, I don't disagree
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
All right, Obviously, with the ascension of Kobe is he
was gonna take more of a back seat, and they
played basically the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:07):
Similar position, Okay, and they traded him. They traded him
for Glenn Rice. Is that what that trade was? That
sounds right?

Speaker 12 (01:36:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
With Charlotte.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
Yeah, he never got the coaching from Phil Jackson, he
didn't get a lot of the perks that Kobe Bryant
ended up getting.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
I'm just saying I don't know. On Earth too, Eddie
Jones is doing some stuff. Yeah, you're not wrong, You're
not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
I don't know if I will consider this a raw deal,
but it's more of like just a point back in
the face, kind of a gotcha to the LA Rams
at the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:34):
And that's Jerome Bettis.

Speaker 5 (01:36:36):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
Jerome Bettis started his career the first couple of years
of his career with the Los Angeles Rams, and I
think he's played his last year in Saint Louis when
they first moved. But Rich Brooks, the former great coach
at Oregon, got the head coaching job at the Rams.
It wanted to be more of a pass happy offense
and didn't think that Jerome fit and thought that Jerome
was not really not conducive to the kind office they
wanted to run. So they said, I will ship him

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out of here. We're gonna roll the ball around a
little bit and open things up. Well, Rich Brooks got
fired after a year and a half at the job
with the Rams, and Jerome Benness went on to be
one of the greatest running backs in the history of
the sport and obviously ended his career with the Super
Bowl ring in his hometown of Detroit with the Steelers
beating the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (01:37:15):
Yeah so they should have gave the bus a permanent
parking spot in LA Yeah, absolutely so.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Talk Abaull fumbling the bag, not getting a fair shot
because they didn't think he'd fit in that offense.

Speaker 3 (01:37:25):
Well, he fit pretty damn perfectly in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
And Rich Brooks, who went back and had a cup
of coffee in college at Kentucky really never to be
heard Froim again. While Jerome bettis one of the great
running backs in NFL history.

Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
And still amazing to me though that everybody forgets he
would have been the goat and the wrong way. He
would have been the scapegoat had they lost that game
to the Colts where he bumbled it at the one
yard line.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
Nobody remembers that now I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:37:51):
Pittsburgh Colton because the Colts defender and I forget who
it is. And there's probably a Colt fan listening who
does this is insane who picked it up, was hobbled
because he had was it a domestic issue the night
before and it's like his girlfriend stabbed him in his
leg or something.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
We're making number I'm not making this up. Yeah, he
got stabbed. I don't know if it was a number
two pencil. Yeah, it might have been a kitchen knife.
But he got stabbed by his wife or his girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
It was a domestic issue like the night before the game,
so he was hobbled, which allowed Ben Roethlisberger to actually
slow him down and tackle him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:25):
Then that ended up saving the game for the Steelers.

Speaker 4 (01:38:27):
Yeah, that is a form of final destination, maybe a
PG version of her because nobody ended up actually dying.

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
But you think about all the things.

Speaker 4 (01:38:37):
That had to go right for the Pittsburgh Steelers to
end up winning a Super Bowl. Where by the way,
now Seahawks fans are about to start calling in and
say how they got screwed Chad Hutchinson tripping by the
officials in that Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
So everything had to go right.

Speaker 4 (01:38:52):
But the bus was a part of it, obviously. All Right,
I got somebody that got a raw deal. And you
may disagree with this, but I think it's accurate when
you look at the dysfunction of the Sacramento.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
Kings and where they have been over the years, basically
since two thousand and six, they did not deserve to
draft Jimmer Ferdett. I believe Jimmer Ferdett was ruined Vivlati
Diva and the Sacramento Kings and the constant state they

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were in of just ineptitude and dysfunction.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
So the Kings are the reason why Jimmer Fredette is
a star now overseas and is not playing in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:39:35):
Yes, he got a raw deal by being drafted by
the Sacramento Kings. There is no reason why he can't
at least be Luke Canard in today's NBA.

Speaker 16 (01:39:46):
The case he fought back to the NBA after he
went overseas, he.

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
Tried and then he went to another pathetics franchise, the
Phoenix Suns. Sounds like his bad choices on his part
at this points after But the Sacramento Kings, it's tough
to get that stench off of you when you're drafted
tenth ahead of Klay Thompson and Kawhi Leonard and the
expectations were that high and he never had a chance

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in Sacramento.

Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
I'm hearing what you're saying, but I mean the Aaron
Fox was fine before they shipped him off.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
Kind of yeah, you traded for Sabonis. He's been fine, Boy,
he was fine. I don't know. I am I'm a
Jimmer for debt truther. Is that okay?

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
There is no reason in the modern NBA a guy
that can shoot that well shouldn't have succeeded, and I
blamed the Kings because of it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
I'm sorry he got a raw deal. Maybe he's just
not good enough to cut it at the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Seventy for the shang Hai Sharks. You tell me that
guy's not good enough perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:40:46):
We want to hear for you guys, though, Do you
guys have stories of an athlete that you don't think
got a fair shot, whether with his first franchise, first
head coach, and hopefully on the other side, came out
of it looking a little bit better, like Baker Mayfield
like we started talking about earlier in the same or
someone like Jerome Bettis. Eight seven seven ninety nine on
Fox is the phone number. Eight seven seven nine nine

(01:41:06):
six six three six nine is the telephone number if
you guys want to check in and talking about athletes
that did not get a fair shot to start their careers.

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
Jimmy, you're not doing anything if you want to call
in and confirm what I already know.

Speaker 3 (01:41:18):
He's playing until the Sacramento case ruined you. Please, Jimmer
Fdad call in. I think Olympiacosa is about to tip
off right now.

Speaker 4 (01:41:26):
I may not be Mormon, but I wanted more from
that man? All right, more Fox Sports Radio with Kevin
Figgers and Adam Mosley coming up next.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
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Speaker 3 (01:41:45):
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Speaker 4 (01:41:50):
I'm ada Maslim. We got k fake here, gonna be
with you guys. Third week in a row we've been
on in this time slot. I hope we don't get
cut like the NFL cuts on Tuesday. You know. No,
boy kind of worried about that, but I never got
a key card to begin with.

Speaker 5 (01:42:04):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
Sound like I'm going to try to use it and
doesn't levy in the door or anything like that. Kevin,
I don't know. I think we'll be all right. Yeah,
we'll be okay, We'll be all right.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
Well, I'll let you guys in here on Fox Sports
Raido to chime in on the topic we were talking
about last segment as far as athletes that did not
get a fair shot at their first stop.

Speaker 4 (01:42:22):
If you guys want to chime in here, give us
a ring. Eight seven seven nine to nine on Fox.
Let's start with Corey in Reno. Corey, what's going on?

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
Heany guys?

Speaker 13 (01:42:32):
Thanks for the call.

Speaker 17 (01:42:33):
Yeah, this was a fantastic, dynamic player that lasted about
two seasons in the NBA and it was a late
seventies early eighties. He was doing dropping like thirty a
game propelled the Blazers into the playoffs and was doing
Jordan's styles, dunks from the free throw line before anybody
knew who Jordan was. But sadly, about two seasons in

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and that was it.

Speaker 13 (01:42:55):
And his name was Billy Ray Bates. I don't know
if you guys remember him or not, but exciting just
was just phenomenal. But you know, it's a you know,
Portland market that was smaller, and uh, I think he
had a lot of well off the court curriculars that
he was doing and uh but that guy should have
been something and he really was for those couple of seasons,

(01:43:15):
he was magnificent.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Yeah, yeah, I know the name there, Corey, And thanks
for the call. Man appreciated. Yeah, you know, I mean
sports unfortunately is littered with you know names like that.
I mean I think of when Bias, you know, the
Celtics is when you mentioned something on Somebody that his
career never even started, never got off the ground, and
his off court demons ended up costing him his life
before his career began. But I mean, he was supposed
to be the next guy to kind of keep carrying

(01:43:38):
the Celtic legacy after Bird and McHale and those guys
phased out, and unfortunately he wasn't able to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:44):
You think about Boston obviously the tragic death with Len Bias,
but also Reggie Lewis in the nineties, right, Ye, how
much further does their dynasty extend out to where they
went from not winning a champion shift from eighty six
till two thousand and eight with the Boston Three party

(01:44:06):
with KG Ray, Allen, Paul Pierce and obviously Rondo is
a part of that too, but it is we're talking
some what if stories as well. I guess they somewhat
intersect here with some of the raw deal athlete theme
that we got going. Yeah, absolutely absolutely, eight seven seven
ninety nine on Fox is the phone number.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
Let's go to Poppy in San Diego. Poppy, what's going on?

Speaker 12 (01:44:28):
What's going on?

Speaker 4 (01:44:29):
Hey?

Speaker 12 (01:44:29):
The one player there? And I think that they didn't
give a freshound from the Texas David Carr. You know,
he went into an expansion team, the Houston Tech. There
he had no offensive line. He got sacked like seventy
six times in his rookie year. Accurate, he didn't get
a you know, a fair chance. And the thing what
I'm going to be very excited tomorrow is a Ravens
against the Commanders in the preseason game. I got a

(01:44:50):
free pick three guys, and I'm gonna take the Baltimore
Ravens minus two and a half. What are you guys thinking?

Speaker 4 (01:44:55):
Is that a lead pipe stone called Locke?

Speaker 5 (01:44:58):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:44:58):
What is That's?

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
That's serious? How many stars does that pick?

Speaker 5 (01:45:01):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (01:45:01):
Brandon Lang? Why are you so confident with taking the
Baltimore minus to two?

Speaker 6 (01:45:06):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Papa, what's you? What's your thought process on that? I'm
I'm intrigued.

Speaker 12 (01:45:10):
I'm very confident. You know, Coach Harbaugh he's giving these
guys playing one hundred percent. And you know what, have
you lived over there in the Maryland area. You know
their rivals and they hate each other, so you know
Ravens are going to go with it. They're all one
hundred percent. I don't care whether the stars player or
not the third fourth strings Raymons are going to dominate
that game. So that's my that's my thought.

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Look, Poppy, I'm not saying that if you're betting on
preseason football you have a problem. But have you had
a lot of success betting on preseason football because.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
You just never know what you're going to get?

Speaker 12 (01:45:40):
Well, of course I have. You know, I got a
you know, a show coming up or you know my
mans up and Mallard. I've given picks out last season.
You guys heard, I'm very successful and giving my pick.
So I'm very excited just shopping the free picks for preseason,
getting the balls going, the whales going for you know,
football season. But we'll see what the game tomorrow and
I'll see you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Thank you for the We'll be tracking for the advice
on that. And I know, I mean you could say
if you wanted to be this way, I'm not. But
the Baltimore Ravens going undefeated in the preseason is kind
of a thing. So it's not that far fetch that
you would predict that they would be minus to two
and get a victory.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
I think they won twenty four consecutive preseason games.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
At one point, I didn't know we also had a
side from Benny versus the Penny. We'd have Poppy versus
Benny giving out his own picks on them balor shows.

Speaker 3 (01:46:28):
I can't imagine that goes very well for Poppy, but
I could be wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:46:30):
Interesting, Well, I think that's big Ben about that, all right?
The theme is athletes who got a raw deal? Bbrie,
this was your subject. You were able to connect it
all together, starting with Baker Mayfield got a raw deal
turn things around in his career.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
Anybody else like that you want to talk about it,
I have.

Speaker 14 (01:46:47):
Like four athletes like whoa that went through my mind.
But because it's me, I'm gonna go with Drew Brees.
The fact that the Chargers let him go after he
hurt his shoulders, right, and not only was it the Chargers,
what other team could have had him?

Speaker 16 (01:47:02):
The Miami Dolphins and Nick Saban.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
Yeah, he ended up going with Culpepper instead, who got
his knee busted up by Mike Mintter of the Carolina Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
I will say I think the Chargers had a convenient
out with Drew Brees entering your shoulder. Philip Rivers had
already been sitting behind him, that Breeze was playing so well.
So the fact that Breeze separated his shoulder, it was like, well,
the decisions made for us at this point because if
Breeze had stayed healthy in the Chargers I mean, remember
that was Antonio Gates and LT like they were winning
the division.

Speaker 4 (01:47:27):
They were really good at that point and time, they
were on the come up, and they had just had
a really bad kicker.

Speaker 14 (01:47:32):
And I just think that that was one of the
not the beginning of obviously the Chargers curse, but I
think it just kind of like elevated another like one
hundred years, you know, just kind of added to it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:40):
And that Katie was great during the regular season. Yeah,
how do you do.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
Against the Jets in that playoffs?

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
That's where I did. I just say the regular season.

Speaker 4 (01:47:48):
Yeah, and he got hurt in the Pro Bowl, as
you mentioned there with the Drew Brees right, like we
don't have the Pro Bowl now. But even though he
hurt his shoulder, that's the one major injury that I
can remember from the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Well, I think he got injured the last game of
the regular season against Denver if I remember correct, Is
that right?

Speaker 3 (01:48:04):
It was the last game of the regular season.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
He was going to be a pending free agent, and
he separated his shoulder, and for the charges, it was like,
I mean, obviously, never root for someone to get hurt,
but again the decision was kind of made for him
at that point in time.

Speaker 3 (01:48:15):
We drafted Philip Rivers a couple of years earlier, or
the year earlier. This guy is injured year maybe I
was thinking of Brian Mormon.

Speaker 8 (01:48:25):
Then.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
The only guy to really be hurt in the let
up by the lady Sean Taylor, his ego was hurt.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
At least he did give Sean Taylor a pat on
the back after that hard hitting the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
All right, what else you got?

Speaker 16 (01:48:36):
No, that was my own.

Speaker 10 (01:48:37):
That was.

Speaker 1 (01:48:38):
Four.

Speaker 16 (01:48:39):
I mean well, okay, David Ortiz was my other one.
So that like, so that was funny that we were
on the.

Speaker 4 (01:48:44):
Scene saying Kevin looked at your cheeks and then.

Speaker 14 (01:48:48):
I mean I was gonna say Sam Darnold and just
like the Jets in general, I think it's just kind
of something. And then went to the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell,
I mean, that's kind of big, okay, okay, and then
just maybe Steve Nash in the Mavericks. I mean, like,
you know, they let him walk after him and Dirk
could have been a dynamic duo, and then Mark Cuban
just let him go.

Speaker 4 (01:49:06):
No, that is something that I think haunted Mark Cuban
for a while, well not forever, because they still won
the championship in twenty eleven, and they beat the Phoenix
Suns in the playoffs. I think at one point to
remember that part of it, I thought you were Phoenix Suns.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Fair.

Speaker 16 (01:49:22):
No, it's fine, it's fine. I'm just saying that those
are just a few of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:49:26):
I think that's his back was falling off, at least
it was supposed to early on. It's and steady way
until he got to the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:49:32):
Saved that for his leg for the Lakers tenure, Mark,
What do you got?

Speaker 12 (01:49:34):
Mark?

Speaker 15 (01:49:35):
The one person that I thought about from many many
months ago was a guy Mark Aguire used to be
with Paul. I thought he was a great player, but
somehow he just never got the right footing or the
right team to continue and have a better career. And
then also I was thinking there was a quarterback you

(01:49:55):
wouldn't know him, Okay, fig he was I think you
turned into a bus. But the last name Prior for
the Raiders por.

Speaker 13 (01:50:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:50:02):
We mentioned he was great in college and I thought
he was gonna make it him the pros. But just whatever,
things just his career just went away quickly. So I
just thought he had a raw deal, didn't get the
I guess the other training in Pros to make him a.

Speaker 3 (01:50:19):
Better guy, went to a bad organization. Well, that didn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
And the fact his development as a passer just never
was never there kind of what we're talking about with
Anthony Richardson. Now, Anthony richards was a better passer than
Torell Prior was at that point. But guys have to
put in that personal work and actually go up and
develop their skills and talents, and Torel Prior, unfortunately at
the quarterback position, just wasn't able to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:50:39):
Wait, Mark, did you say Mark Aguire from the NBA? Yes,
because he ended up with Detroit, right, he was a
bad boy. Yeah, and while he didn't score as much,
I think he got at least one of those rings
they won those back to back years.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
Yeah, was he okay?

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Because he came from Dallas, right, I'm not sure where.

Speaker 15 (01:50:58):
I just know he was a DePaul guy from Chicago,
and then he got to the pros and I thought
he was great, and I just thought he could have
got a better deal.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
I thought he didn't get to the highest of highs. Well,
he's a pro.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
You were right, because early years with Dallas, I mean
he was averaging thirty per game. He kind of sacrificed
his scoring to win in Detroit and take on that
defensive mindset with the bad boys and Bill Lambert choking
everybody out back.

Speaker 2 (01:51:25):
Then you know, you know, I got another one that
just popped into my head as I'm looking at your
white Sox hat over there, Mark, Oh, I'm thinking of
a Chicago cub and I'm thinking of Bernie Banks.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Ernie Banks, one of the great players in the history
of the sport, never made the playoffs. That's a raw deal.
We talked about that a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (01:51:41):
Never made the postseason a day single, good home runs,
but never was on a team to get to the
playoff or get anywhere close to anything.

Speaker 3 (01:51:47):
That is the rawlest of raw deals.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
That you can get to play for an organization for
what twenty years or something like that and not even
sniff the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
One time. That's hard to do.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
That's a disservice to him and the league not being
able to see that talent on the biggest stage, which
I think we paralleled with Mike Truck.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
Mike Trout. Yeah, thats where we're talking about. A couple
of weeks ago, our guy Eloy from Compton.

Speaker 4 (01:52:08):
By the way, his weight in. Tell me if you
think this guy got a raw deal, I think there's
something to it. The Rosen one, Josh Rosen got drafted
by the Cardinals. He was all the rage at UCLA,
even though it's not like it amounted to him doing
that much, but he projected to.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
The pro player.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
I mean that come back against Texas A and m
on opening weekend was pretty epic.

Speaker 4 (01:52:32):
Fair in the pros. Though he got passed over pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (01:52:36):
After one year. They drafted Kyler Murray. They had very
next season. Yeah, and then he bounced around. He ended
up in Miami. Yeah, Josh Rosen, yep.

Speaker 4 (01:52:44):
So he didn't exactly get it much of a runway
to show what he could do.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
But again, if you're talented enough and humble enough, and
there are questions about his humility and how we approached
certain things, and.

Speaker 3 (01:52:54):
Because he had a hot tub and a dorm room.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
Well not only that that he could be a little
smug and air again and talking about being the smartest
person in the room, and they kind of rubbed people
the wrong way. So if you're gonna be that way,
if you're gonna be that, if you're gonna be that way,
you better be Aaron Rodgers. If you're not Aaron Rodgers,
you could end up being in the XFL or the
UFL or something right now.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
If that's even where Josh Rosen is. I don't even
know where he is right now.

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
Personality did him in, Yeah, didn't help him.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
I think he's working an enterprise. Nothing wrong with that, nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
I just I thought I saw him in a commercial recently.

Speaker 3 (01:53:24):
I don't know. Got the big nose is Kevin figures
Adam Alston here on Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:53:28):
Coming up in the next segment one of our favorite segments,
Breeze three.

Speaker 3 (01:53:32):
Breeze three coming up next. What is the what is
the topic for Breeze three?

Speaker 16 (01:53:35):
Bree Well, talk about it after the break when you
get back.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Sorry, I'll excuse me. Oh well, I forgot.

Speaker 16 (01:53:43):
Oh your favorite storts? Your favorite sports documentary?

Speaker 3 (01:53:47):
Really on fire?

Speaker 4 (01:53:47):
To yes?

Speaker 3 (01:53:48):
I know, I'm on our own spiral radio death. How
dare you? Kevin figures Adam Alston on Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:53:54):
Back in Fox Sports Saturday, Kevin figures Adam Alston with
you guys Before we get to Breeze three, I do
have a couple of takes on college football because it
is week zero. Coming up later this afternoon, we have
twenty to twenty second ranked Iowa State in seventeenth the
rank Kansas State in Dublin, Ireland. I don't know if
you're gonna be up bright and early at nine am
West Coast time to watch that game.

Speaker 3 (01:54:13):
They're at them. No, I hear.

Speaker 4 (01:54:15):
What happens in week zero stays in week zero, So
even if you win, it doesn't help your record.

Speaker 3 (01:54:20):
It's like Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
That's not necessarily how that was, though you would think
if it was called week zero that'd be the case.
But both schools were turning starting quarterbacks Rock go Becked
and Avery Johnson. Should be a really good game, like
Iowa State. Maybe a hot take here, maybe not. If
think Iowa State actually ends up winning the Big Twelve Conference.
For them to do that, they have to win this
game coming up this afternoon. So I'm looking forward to that.

Speaker 4 (01:54:38):
Do you think either of these teams gets into the
College Football Playoff now that we have a twelve teamer?

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
Yeah, So whoever wins the Big twelve is going to
get an automatic bit so Iowa State, if I believe,
is gonna win the Big twelve, then Iowa State is
going to actually make it into the college football player.

Speaker 3 (01:54:54):
So you got him in? Yeah, the cycles absolutely. Oh,
let's do it all right, mit, Campbell's been waiting for
far too long. Good coach.

Speaker 4 (01:55:00):
Speaking of waiting for far too long, We've been waiting
for far too long to get to Breeze three.

Speaker 3 (01:55:04):
Let's go not one, not two, but three.

Speaker 11 (01:55:09):
Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
It's entertainment, it's good. It's Breeze three.

Speaker 16 (01:55:15):
What we got breeze alrighty guys.

Speaker 14 (01:55:17):
So you know the Dallas Cowboys Netflix documentary, the one
that's actually, you know, being released, not the one that
work live watching every day online sports center called America's
team a Gambler and his Cowboys. So I just kind
of thought, like, what is like the best? What are
your favorite sports documentaries? So my first one, I went.

Speaker 16 (01:55:35):
The Tanya Harding The Price of Gold, The thirty for thirty.

Speaker 14 (01:55:39):
I thought That was really good, just with the whole
Nancy Carrigan thing that was that was like before my time.

Speaker 3 (01:55:45):
So I just was calling me old cool because I
remember that vividly.

Speaker 16 (01:55:48):
I was like a year old.

Speaker 14 (01:55:49):
So I was like busy trying to be like developed
and walk and stuff, you know, trying to kind of
become like a human.

Speaker 4 (01:55:54):
I guess, yes, and yet Nanci care again was trying
to Okay, Yeah, that was a tough situation.

Speaker 16 (01:56:00):
Yeah, so that was pretty good. The nice ninety four
Winter Olympics, YadA, YadA, YadA.

Speaker 14 (01:56:04):
And then I went the Bad Bad Boys, like you
guys were just talking about Billy and beer, and that's
one I loved. I love Isaiah Thomas, like I just
love that whole team and watching like old games and
like you know, my dad's like and yeah, the Jordan rules,
like that whole thing and just that like drama that
was really interesting to me because again I didn't live

(01:56:25):
through it. And then my third one, I went non
sports related and I went Blackfish, like yeah, and I
like vowed to never go to sea World, never drive
past SeaWorld.

Speaker 16 (01:56:40):
I want nothing to do with SeaWorld. I do not
support it. So the whole thing with the Killer Whales
and I orca sorry but love them and so.

Speaker 14 (01:56:50):
Yeah, so those were my three. So Tanya Harding Bad Boys,
and then Blackfish got Mark.

Speaker 15 (01:56:55):
Let's go with We Were Kings, And then I thought
about Last Dance.

Speaker 3 (01:57:02):
Yea oh, because you know COVID, no one went anywhere.

Speaker 4 (01:57:05):
We all watched the Bulls absolutely over and over and
over again, ten parter and I don't know if it
counts as a documentary, but any given Sunday, why not.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
I loved it enough?

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Was that real?

Speaker 3 (01:57:18):
When the guy's eye popped out on that field? That
was a documentary?

Speaker 10 (01:57:21):
You know what?

Speaker 3 (01:57:23):
Technical technically, no mark, but I'm gonna give it to you.
Wait fight for that inch. If we can't use that one,
how about North Dallas forty Okay, okay, yeah, absolutely it
works sure.

Speaker 5 (01:57:35):
For me.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
I got unforgivable blackness. It was about the boxer Jack Johnson.
It was a Ken Burns documentary, phenomenal documentary about a
black boxer who just flawing it in front of everybody.
This is a boxer in the early nineteen hundreds who
was dating white women and flowing around wearing fancy clothes
like it was nobody's business. Got death threats left and
right and did not care that Brett Hart breda ad
Manhart Wrestling with Shadows chronicle his final year in the WWF,

(01:57:58):
including his spat with Vince McMahon the Montress Marre Drob
when he punches them in the face, phenomenal behind the
scenes on Bretthay, Hit Man Heart, and the thirty for
thirty documentary on the Celtics and Lakers. There were so
many of these, but the fact that it was narrated
by ice Cube and Donnie Wahlberg, giving this La side
for ice Cube and the Boston side for Wallborg, I
thought was very well done.

Speaker 4 (01:58:18):
So we can go outside of sports here, right of course. Okay,
I'll start with sports though. The documentary I think it's
from the early nineties Hoop Dreams, Yeah, by documentarian I.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Want to say Steve James was his name.

Speaker 4 (01:58:33):
Hoop Dreams following two high school basketball players.

Speaker 3 (01:58:37):
To see if they're going to make the league.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
It is one of the most inspiring, coolest documentaries if
you love basketball, if you are real hooper, you've probably
already seen it, but you can watch it like fifty times. Secondly,
if we're talking documentaries, I gotta have a Werner Herzog
one in there, and that would mean the Grizzly Man.
Timothy Treadwell up to Alaska to study the grizzlies.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
And well for tread Well, no I didn't. But he
got up there for like ten years before he got killed.
Oh great, great run man.

Speaker 4 (01:59:10):
And we learned a lot about grizzly bears during that time.

Speaker 3 (01:59:14):
It was very education. When did we end up learning
at the end?

Speaker 13 (01:59:18):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
They're big and scary, Oh is that all?

Speaker 4 (01:59:20):
And maybe if you try to live and sleep with them,
you will die and they will eat you for lunch,
especially if you go to a place that was the
heart of where they were hybrid eating, called the Grizzly Maze.

Speaker 3 (01:59:31):
You know, he thought that he was one with the
bears and he got too close one with their digestive track.
When it was all said, none.

Speaker 4 (01:59:38):
They delude themselves. Rip Timothy Treadwell. Lastly, though, on the
lighter side, American movie from nineteen ninety nine. I call
it the Big Lebowski of documentaries. The characters are hilarious.
It is one of my favorite things to watch, especially
during the holidays, because it takes place during Thanksgiving, and Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:59:57):
Check it out American Movie. All right, before we get
out of.

Speaker 4 (02:00:01):
Here, we do want to thank bring our producer, Mark
the chairman of the board, and of course great Scott, Yes,
Scott Shapiro for the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Again, Keny, I.

Speaker 2 (02:00:12):
Want to thank you guys for listening to us as well.
Kevin Figures Adam Alston here on Fox Sports Saturday. Much
appreciate all of the love and support. Coming up next
to fellas Anthony Argano and Jason fitz here on FSR

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