October 29, 2025 • 29 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official fantasy football podcast! Dan Beyer and Mike Harmon open this midweek edition of the show looking ahead to the NFL trade deadline, which is already less than a week away... Who could be some big names on the move? They also nitpick a trade Dan recently made in a fantasy league that he's already regretting. Later, the guys look ahead to this week's Thursday Night Football matchup between the Ravens and Dolphins... Will the return of Lamar Jackson be enough to salvage Baltimore's season? Can the Dolphins build off their much-needed Week 8 win?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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(00:24):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome in too. I want your flex.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Looking ahead the week nine, we'll take a look at
Thursday night's matchup. If Mike I'm at Swollen Dome, you
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Speaker 1 (00:47):
I know people were cringing last week when.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The Ravens Dolphins grapha graphic appeared on the screen.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
However, as we found.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Out, Lamar Jackson's going to be back for the Ravens
on Thursday night, so that'll be a boost and the Dolphins,
as we talked about in our previous pod, coming off
of the win against the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So maybe not as bad as it was a.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Week ago, but We'll dive into some of that a
little bit later on in the pod. It should also
be noted that the NFL trade deadline less than a
week away, coming up on Tuesday. We expect to see
some deals done. We don't know how big of deals.
It is the season though, Mike, for every NFL insider
to tell us all these players are not available, giving
leverage to the team that has those players, only for
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them to possibly be traded at some point in the
next six days.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Are you saying that they're getting notes from their favorite
general managers and team officials as to what to say
isn't going to happen?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Nick Wright is pretty vocal on X about insiders, and
I feel like this is something that we have talked
about or have has been said for a while, and
now it's just finally getting the national attention of Yeah,
when are we going to get these news breakers and
these big deals. So hopefully it has happens within the
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next week where we get actual competition between these insiders
and not just the agent fed news that we seem
to always get.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
No, And that's it, right, It's the condensed or contraction
of this field to a degree, where it just seems
to get filtered through a couple of guys or women
for that matter. We get a couple out there as well,
but yeah, it's just that kind of time. Hopefully we
get a bunch more trades, because we've certainly seen an
active run these last few weeks, some that still don't
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make any sense, like Joe Flacco getting traded to the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But all of that to say that it.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Seems fewer teams being willing to just stand pat or
at least philosophically. Maybe it's a new age of GMS
and being more aggressive to that end of well, how
do I reset the table faster versus I don't want
to help people? And I think that speaks directly to
you know, some of the fantasy football world that we're
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living in, particularly in this podcast.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Man, you think it's a social media thing, just the
noise is overall louder, so it kind of makes them
a little more knee jerky, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Just a thought, how do you mean like that the
the calls on Twitter.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Just like the noise surrounding a franchise when they're struggling,
is a lot louder than it once was. Obviously the
newspapers have always existed, but that's kind of just like
a once a day thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You, Yeah, maybe maybe there's something to that, right that
the cacophony of voices that you're trying to go through
the noise, and maybe you get not bullied, but you're
always trying to justify your job right to a degree.
So if this isn't working, then pivot and say, hey,
we at least tried X, y Z. Maybe maybe there's
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something to that.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
You just got more opinions than ever now. And that's
that's kind of what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a different
angle off of that.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think we have a lot of younger gms in
the NFL, and I think that younger people don't give
a crap as much, you know about like I feel
it's where you've got these guys who are coming in
and you know in their.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Some of their late twenties.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, you got on the Jaguars guy and he that
the trade for Travis Hunter is looking very need reaction around.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I mean, he's straight out of draft day because it
was the Jaguars GM that was new that Kevin Costner prayed.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
On right, So a lot of that that's a good poll.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Actually, I think that these guys don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think that it's you know, there's an old way
of thinking and there's a new way of thinking, and
if you make a mistake, you make a mistake. I
think that there is less connection to players now. I
don't think there's as much emotional attachment. And they're going
to make a move. They're going to make a move. Yeah,
I didn't know if that's analytics, but I do think
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that there is something to that.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, I think to.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Your point, right, we in the last episode, we were
watching eighteen innings of baseball, right, and the analytics of matchups, pitcher, hitter, hey,
pinch it here, strategies whatever, same thing. In football of
all right, a lot of these guys are reduced to
numbers of how do they fit into an equation to
where we don't like you and I Dan particularly, you know,
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of of our ELK, there's guys that are identified with
a franchise.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
That's that's not the way it is.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean, even going back Joe Montana playing for Kansas City,
It's still still boggles the mind when I see him
in a Chiefs uniform on a trading card, right, go EMMITTT.
Smith to Arizona whatever. A lot of that started to
flow where guys were in a second Reggie White leaving
and going to Green Bay. But like, go on down
the line. Now guys are in five six teams and
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it's it's not the same identifier that it once was.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Let me ask you this because you know, Devan e
Chan's name has been thrown out there, and you know
we got the ravens of Dolphins coming up, and if
you're the Dolphins where they're likely going to move on
from Mike McDaniel, Like, if you're a GM, are you like,
let's do this move. I can keep my job or
are you thinking like, all right, I'm not going to
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keep my job.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How would you go about that?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Because I think that there are teams when we've seen
how important the running back is and we've been raving
about Jonathan Taylor's success this year, We've talked about Saquon
Barkley last year. The running back has become more and
more of a factor in these stretch runs. If there
was a team out there that said, heck, my team,
the Seahawks eight, they're having a difficult time finding the
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running game going. If you took, you know, some picks
and packaged Kenneth Walker for Devon Hn Walker's going to
be a free agent coming up, Like, wouldn't that be
worth a deal? Like if you were Miami, would you
pull a trade not knowing your future as a GM?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think I would look to it for sure, right,
like all of those guys, And we talked about this
at the end of last season in the recap of
the guys that went to new places, like Saquon, they
went to places with a better established operation, right, with
a good offensive line, everything else, Like Jonathan Taylor has
been working with this group in Indianapolis for years and
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then Daniel Jones comes in and it's not a retreat.
It's not the last year of Philip Rivers or well,
Joe Flacco is timeless, as we found. But Matt Ryan
at his end, whatever they try with Anthony Richardson, no,
they bring him in and he and Shane Stike and
start doing something. So it unleashes Taylor on a different level.
But you already had some pretty decent infrastructure for a CHAN.
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I think you're working with spare parts to the for
the most part there in Miami. So if I'm a GM, yeah,
if I could get the right deal for a running
back needy contender to give me a couple of picks,
I think I'd spin the wheel absolutely.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And I love a Chan I think he's a great player.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
We've talked about him a lot the pod and you know,
fantasy week to week as a runner and receiver. But yeah,
I think I would spin him off completely, absolutely and
just burn it down.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him, because I think
I tend to agree with you, Mike, But I think
something that's worth bringing up is that I think in
recent years, teams of sort and fans also have sort
of undervalued I guess the running back. It's always been
a conversation in recent years, like, you know, how valuable
really is the running back position. But if you actually
look across the league at the best running backs, not
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all of them, but most of them were taken in
the first two rounds of the draft. You got guys
like McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, Like these guys who
were supposed to be good coming out of college have
all turned out to actually be really good and Alvin Kamara,
I feel like was kind of one of the guys
holding the torch and one of the reasons why that
was lingering. You know, this is just a long winded
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way of saying a Chin is actually one of the
few running backs taken in Round three since Kamara was
who's actually worked out. So it's harder to hit on
these guys than it's become the norm to think in
recent years.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But I'll tell you, though, I look and I look
at it from the team that's like acquiring. So if
you're the Dolphins in this scenario and you're you're you
probably haven't hit rock bottom yet because you're gonna have
to figure out your quarterback situation, no matter how good
to have looked against you know, the Falcons and it's
eight chan running that train. But it's just that it's
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like it's like when you're on a bad baseball team
and you have a really good closer.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like, what's the point It's.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like, well, it's even, but but even it's it's it's
different with a closer because you're only gonna win fifty
five games. So now you have a great closer, Well,
how many of those games do you win by more
than three runs. Right, So now you have like this
magnificent closer that can only really save you thirty games maximum,
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you know, of the year, because you're not gonna win seventy,
You're not gonna win eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
How many times are the Dolphins gonna be in games?
You know? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So if you keep a Chan this year and then
next year, this is the last year of his deal,
and then he's going to re up. So now you're
like into twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, where you're
paying him a lot of money and your team still
hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Able to build up enough yet.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Where I look at, you know, that's what I'm looking
at teams that may need a running back at the
trade deadline, that could be like, you know what, we'll
give eight Chan the contract, We'll give him his deal
because we don't have that piece in place right now.
So I think for the future, like for the Dolphins,
he just doesn't have any value because they're not going
to be good for the next couple of years. I
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just there's just there's no point when you're five and
twelve and having Devon a Chan on your team.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, it's the curiosity right with Ross. Does he clean
house with both Greer and McDaniel to where you just
have a new fresh set of eyes in both positions
trying to look at the roster, but look the trade
deadlines Tuesday. So Greer is the guy making the disc
vision this time out. I would think saying, hey, we
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get because I got to think a guy like we've
watched a chan and you see what he is, and
try to decide where he ranks amongst current running backs.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I mean it's pretty high. So with the number of.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Contenders in need of somebody more consistent, I got I
gotta think you've got a pretty good marketplace, like whether
whether that you know, go knocking on Kansas City's door
or one of those squads that they could use enough
help to where say, oh, well, yeah, you know it's
here's funny money, draft capital, give us another top notch player.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There's you just you know, you look at spots and
maybe they don't want to trade with, you know, within conference,
like if you're the commanders and you're sitting there saying
to yourself, all right, we think we've got something with
Jayden Daniels. They don't have anything in the backfield right now,
now you know is there do you have a playoff hope?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Maybe maybe you make a move there.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I talked about my Seahawks because they have been able
to get the running game going. We've seen a lot
of charbon A at the the goal line, but it
hasn't been as as much as you would have hoped
with the the two headed monster of Kenneth Walker and
Zax Charbonette.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'll kill you with volume though, Dan volume, as they will.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I just I think that because of the emergence of
the running back in the value, that it could be
something for a team that then would be willing to
pay somebody to have that sort of back, where it
just doesn't pay for the for the Dolphins right now. Plus,
I want to trade done because it overshadows the trade
that I made in my long term league. Guys, I'm
going to I'm going to review this trade. And it's sat,
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It's sat in the guy's mailbox. You know, there's like
a forty eight hour window on it. I swear it
sat there for forty two hours untouched, and I thought
about pulling it, and I'm like, no, I'm not going
Just you know, it'll expire whatever if he doesn't do it.
And then I was scrolling on late last week and
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all of a sudden, I notice my roster was different, like,
oh well, I didn't check my email.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Trade went through.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Standard League, and because of the byes last week, I
really wanted to win in Week eight, so I traded
Ashton genty Standard League again, Rashi Rice and DeVante Adams
for Justin Jefferson, Romandre Stevenson and Chewba Hubbard. Okay, I
wanted running backs. I wanted to add depth. So now
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in the span of a week, when I was betting
on the future, I've had Chewba Hubbard get demoted to
second team. There's going to be no more split. I
have no idea who the Vikings quarterback is going to be,
and it seems like the Chiefs are just tickled pink
to throw the ball to Rashie Rice whenever they want to.
So that's the trade that I ended up doing. I
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have my reasons for it. I still think that it
could work out for me in the end, but right
now the trade that I did, I may have gotten
taken to the cleaners and I proposed it well.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The fact that they left Carson wentz out there to die.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
He doesn't. It's not your fault. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I've seen coaching malfisis and we talked about it a
little bit last week's pot. I'm more in sense the
longer that I get away from that game. For what
I watched last Thursday night, where the dude was a
pinata against the Charger, I don't think there's any easier
way to encapsulate what was gone. And then you get
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more word of how hurt he was coming out of
that game against the Steelers, so he'd already gutted it up.
You have a bad offensive line, and then you left him.
So now justin Jefferson's left looking around going, well, you
killed this guy?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
The hell's throwing me the football?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, so sad.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Like you know, we talk about a lot of things
in terms of protecting players or whatever. Who the hell
gets to throw the damn towel there? Quarterbacks should not
keep telling me I'm good as his shoulder is slumped
three feet lower than the other.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You can see it too, the way that he was
throwing the football, just with that left arm buckled in agonizing.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, I mean I was paying to watch the boor
guy out there. But now, I mean, is JJ McCarthy
gonna get cleared all of a sudden, do they go
find break glass and go find another quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I mean, I I thought maybe that's what the Cousins
bit was for with the Falcons. Sure right, bring him back,
Let's bring him back home. See what see what that's
all about. If JJ McCarthy isn't ready, now you have
an opportunity to still do that sort of thing. But
it sure as heck wouldn't be a vote of confidence
to JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, but that but that's the larger question I think
that that Minnesota's got facing it. Is it that he's
still how should we say not good? Or is he
physically unable?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Where where in that?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Like if you're going in a giant pie chart, Dan, Like,
where do we put the percentages of those two options?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Man? I couldn't say about.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
About the completion percentage of Carson Wentz on Thursday night?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Probably around that well fortune.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Uh the the I just I also looked at I
looked at the trade like this guy's because it'll give
us just a chance to analyze these guys quick. I
thought that Justin Jefferson has yet to have a breakout game.
The targets are still there. They're gonna throw to them.
You also have a string where you got the Lions
coming up that they've got They've got them coming up
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this week in Week nine, with that secondary banged up.
You've got the Ravens who have been giving up points. Uh,
there's there were favorable matchups that they had, and that's
where I was looking for Jefferson to kind of emerge.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Sure, and I just had big time worries about Ashton gent.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I don't you know, I don't know where the Raiders
are going. I don't know if he's going to be
able to hold up all year behind that porous offensive line,
and I just think there's gonna be too many stinkers.
There may be the game here at home, they have
a bad opponent. But now you're you know, we saw
what happen when they ended up having divisional play against
the Chiefs on the road, and you're gonna have the
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you got the Browns coming up in the future. You
got Denver to play yet, so those you got Denver
to play twice. I just didn't like Ashton Genty's future.
So that's kind of why I just felt like I
needed to move them at that point.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I think there's something of, you know, watching it run
in place, which is really what he's kind of done.
As much as I'm excited to see Tyler Lockett with
Geno Smith and everything, or maybe brock Bauers gets back
that it makes life easier. But like all that said
with brock Bauers, Genty had one game that we talked
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about him in glowing terms. Otherwise it was a lot
of what's wrong with Ashton.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Jenny Yeah, yeah, so I may have and I think
that there was a ceiling on Devonte Adams with Pokinakua
coming back, sure, and honestly with Rashi Rice, even if
you watch the other Chiefs play like Rice had nine
catches on nine targets against the Commanders on Monday Night,
had the touchdown, he had a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
They keep scoring. He's obviously going to be a factor.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But I wondered on the big playability and they do
like to feed a lot of different guys, So Juju
Smith Schuster is still getting action. You know, they got
stuff for Xavier Worthy. Obviously you still have Travis Kelcey,
but Rashie Rice has been has been a main guy
and is not eased up. There's not been eased into
the to the plans for the Chiefs. He's been right
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there since he came back from that suspension. So yeah,
I may have may have mishits on the the trade,
may have bought too high on Romandre Stevenson, but you
live and learn.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I mean, he's still going to have a big workload. Sure,
they're going to run the ball a ton. Now, was
this the week that we thought Henderson would suddenly get
a bigger workload?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Nothing trended that way. Yeah, in the thinking. So I'm
with you.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I think I think there's still a great opportunity here.
And look, ric O'Donnell has had a great couple of weeks.
Chuba Hubbard's still gonna be used a bunch.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He got me a backdoor touchdown just because they were
getting killed by the so much. Yeah, yeah, we'll take it.
It was the poorest day. Otherwise they all count the same, Dan, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
all right, we'll take a time out here. We'll take
a look at that Ravens Dolphins game. Even though we
talked a lot about Devoni Channon trades and whatnot, plus
other happenings in the NFL. He is Mike Carmen hit
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him up at Swollen dolman'sy and Roddy find him at
Ian Roddy underscore. I'm Dan Byer. It's all next here
and I want your flex. I know Mike Carmen had
to see it firsthand for some reason. Snoop Huntley just
only plays well in a Raven's uniform. Yeah, I mean,
as crazy as it is, but we're not going to
see him Thursday and night. Mike saw him first hand
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on Sunday. Didn't see Lamar Jackson. But Lamar Jackson makes
it his return. He'll do so Thursday night for the
Ravens in Miami as they take out the Dolphins, and
as we tease at the top of the episode, an
interesting game for these two squads is the Ravens still
have postseason hopes and the Dolphins really don't have much hope,
but they at least are coming off of will win
against the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Coming off of that, that game I don't think any
of us saw coming. I mean maybe that they'd play
in some inspired ball, but to come out with the effort,
they did a four touchdown work from two a tongue
of I looa after you know, saying some really troublesome
things out loud about not being able to see guys,
and his whole game has been as far as I've
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seen it for all these years, guys has been anticipating
putting guys into spots right timing. It's not like he's
whizzing the ball in there right. That's not not what
he does. But all that to say, you got good
balance and some big efforts. Jayalen Wattle surprised and had
a big comeback game. We've talked a lot about Devin
h Chan. I think the world of him against the
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Ravens front. Should have himself a day, and I think
that's where a lot of this game lives. When we
look at what the Miami defense has been very poorous
against opposing run games. So what do you get healthy
dose of Derrick Henry a little bit of a concern
of Lamar Jackson's legs, although maybe he gets eased back
into that part of his game. Keaton Mitchell was back
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and healthy and offered a big explosive option for them
against Chicago, So I would expect, you know, Henry's going
to be a top three back for the week, no
question about it. We get Lamar back in as a starter,
but I've been looking at Keaton Mitchell as a guy
in your daily fantasies or as a flex play to
maybe get some action laid in the game to where
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we get some points.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Certainly here and.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'll tell you what points in Week nine. I don't
know if you've seen the lines, guys on the slate
of games. A bit of a different story from week
eight now Week nine. Eagles, Bucks, Jets, and Browns have
a bye. But remember we talked about there were just
a couple of games that were close and then everything
else was kind of a touchdown. And then he had
the Titans Colts game where Indy was about a two
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touchdown favorite and the Chiefs were about eleven points give
or take a point. Much tighter lines that we've got
for the matchups that we got, but the over unders
are in a full coming up for Week nine.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Fifty and a half for Baltimore Miami, the high is Arizona.
Dallas is fifty four and a half, m Chicago, Cincinnati
fifty two and a half, Kansas City Buffalo fifty two
and a half. Yeah, there's some great stuff San Francisco
and New York. Even with no camp Scataba and questions
about the quarterback position for San Francisco forty nine and
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a half insane.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Wow, there should be opportunities. I would have thought that
we just talked about the Vikings and Justin Jefferson, and
even though we don't know who Minnesota's quarterback is going
to be, once we find out, I wonder if that'll
eave it, in effect at least the over under for
what the Vikings have. But the only dog game in
terms of the line seems to be that Denver Houston game,
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which could end up being a pretty good football game
considering the way that the Texans were able to control
things against the Niners. And we'll see how things go
against Denver. But I think for as bad as Week
eight was, Mike, you picked the perfect week to go
to a game because there just wasn't really anything there.
And Ian had the perfect week for his girlfriend to
be in town because he had his Jets win and
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then he didn't have to watch all the crap that was.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
On the rest of the day if he didn't need to.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think We're going to
be in much better, better form and have better games
coming up here in Week nine with the slate that's ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, four teams on the by, so you worked to that.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
We've talked a lot about the injuries that have piled
up across the league, but some really great matchups when
you get down to it.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Some curiosities for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
You know, as we get to the second half of
the season, teams, you know, have this this moment to
try to figure out who they are ahead of the
trade deadline, you know, like we always do with Major
League Baseball. Are you a buyer or seller? We haven't
said that in the NFL a ton, but we talked
about it with the change of GMS and age and
philosophies of building a squad that maybe we do after
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you know, Sunday's games start seeing a lot more activity
and shuffle up and deal with guys and new homes.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, I'm gonna find interesting is you know Joe Flacco
had the shoulder injury you mentioned earlier, even if he
doesn't go against the Bears, Mic, I mean Jake Browning,
it was more of the interceptions that killed him, and
and I know there was a down game against Minnesota,
but still they could throw the ball, So that's not
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necessarily gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't think it would change your out.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Uh, you know your questioning on the output of what
Jamar Chase or Chase Brown would do in that game.
And I still think that you could get in the
shootout and maybe maybe that's the opportunity for Caleb Williams
to break out of a bit of a slump.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Right now, to get back into it and pushing the
ball downfield.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
There were a couple of throws really liked.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
A couple that were head scratching in the Sunday loss
to the Ravens. One that as I did an awful
lot of there's there's memes you know where you just
kind of put your hands over your head. Not quite
the Tim Robbins. I just survived everything in Shawshank, but
just the what am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Why me?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
But still trying to figure out, Like we saw him
Loveland get a ball early.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's like, hey, hey, no, cool, come out, he got
a pass? Hey you get dick at him?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You know, we're yelling back and forth to each other
like idiots, and all the Bears fans in a ten
that's gone.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I remember, Hey, they remember that guy.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Exists, So you know, little hits around there. I mean,
Swift wasn't great, but found the end zone. So I
mean you've got the opportunity. But yeah, with Browning, the
thing I like about him is he has no conscience,
like he's already got the forty year old veteran kind
of mentality of all right, I'm here to throw the football,
and I'll make a throw. And for Jamar, Chase and
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certainly for t Higgins huge. I wonder if Flacco can't go,
how much that hurts our guy, Chase Brown who's been
rediscovered these last couple of weeks with Flacco under center,
after being just miserable for us and seemingly I had
the giant sharpie king size that had his name in
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the cold soars every week for a month. So we'll
see about that. But yeah, starting off with Thursday night,
what do you think can to replicate to any degree
what he did in Week eight?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Absolutely, because I don't have a lot of trust in
the Ravens defense. I just think ultimately Lamar and Derrick Henry,
I mean, Henry's actually been good in the last couple
of weeks, So for as bad as the Ravens have been,
maybe we've slept on him.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think it could be there, Mike, I just don't
think they're going to win the football game.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
No, I would concur Baltimore a little more than a
touchdown favorite in that one. But gotta love the fact
that we're sitting seeing a fifty number for the total
by the betting line for a Thursday night football game,
because Lord knows, through the years, we've certainly had some
how should we say, less than stellar and exciting outings
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to chronicle, so you know, hopefully, hopefully it lives up
to the billing, and certainly everybody excited to get Lamar
back in their lineups and back on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well, hey, let's wrap things up here on iwinterflex. Mike
and I both like the Ravens coming up on Thursday.
Good slate of games. My Seahawks on Sunday night football, guys,
YU taking on the Commanders and what probably look like
a much better game at the beginning of the year.
But the Seahawks sitting there at five and two tie
to top the division. They've got an interesting stretch coming up,
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but a cross country trip to take on the Commanders
and see on how healthy Washington is as they've been
nursing injuries. We know J Daniels and whatnot, and and heck,
we're going to find out on Monday on you know
what's happening with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray as they
go to Dallas. And you talked about that high point game,
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So some quarterback injuries to watch throughout the week. Bryce
Young again monitoring as Carolina is on the way uh
to face Green Bay. And if there's one thing that
we've learned last week with Lamar Jackson, never assume, never
assume we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Full participant with the scout team.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, and John Harbaugh, having been in the league all
these years, didn't know the difference.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
It was the Vegas line that really did it.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
It was their favor by a touchdown. Well, but that's it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But that's the problem is coming off of what happened
with the NBA last week, everybody hit the brakes on
that as fast as they could.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We got to fix that. You mentioned the Monday game,
we'd be remiss.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Gus folks did their claims keeping an eye out on
the waiver wire. Murray supposed to in theory be back
if not. Brissett's in decent spots against Dallas for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Sure, And we'll know more on the Thursday practice for
the Cardinals, and we'll be back again Friday with our
rankings that Mike has for the quarterbacks, running backs, and
wide receivers, and have a much clearer picture on the
injuries that have been going down in the NFL. And
we're out, yeah, at the halfway point during week nine,
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so after week nine, halfway through the regular season.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm Dan bayer h.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We need to talk to you later in the week,
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 1 (00:34):
Welcome in too. I want your flex.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Looking ahead the week nine, we'll take a look at
Thursday night's matchup. If Mike I'm at Swollen Dome, you
can find Ian Roddy, our executive producer, at Ian Roddy Underscore,
and you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I know people were cringing last week when.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The Ravens Dolphins grapha graphic appeared on the screen.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
However, as we found.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Out, Lamar Jackson's going to be back for the Ravens
on Thursday night, so that'll be a boost and the Dolphins,
as we talked about in our previous pod, coming off
of the win against the Falcons.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
So maybe not as bad as it was a.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Week ago, but We'll dive into some of that a
little bit later on in the pod. It should also
be noted that the NFL trade deadline less than a
week away, coming up on Tuesday. We expect to see
some deals done. We don't know how big of deals.
It is the season though, Mike, for every NFL insider
to tell us all these players are not available, giving
leverage to the team that has those players, only for
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them to possibly be traded at some point in the
next six days.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Are you saying that they're getting notes from their favorite
general managers and team officials as to what to say
isn't going to happen?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Nick Wright is pretty vocal on X about insiders, and
I feel like this is something that we have talked
about or have has been said for a while, and
now it's just finally getting the national attention of Yeah,
when are we going to get these news breakers and
these big deals. So hopefully it has happens within the
(02:01):
next week where we get actual competition between these insiders
and not just the agent fed news that we seem
to always get.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
No, And that's it, right, It's the condensed or contraction
of this field to a degree, where it just seems
to get filtered through a couple of guys or women
for that matter. We get a couple out there as well,
but yeah, it's just that kind of time. Hopefully we
get a bunch more trades, because we've certainly seen an
active run these last few weeks, some that still don't
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make any sense, like Joe Flacco getting traded to the Bengals.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
But all of that to say that it.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Seems fewer teams being willing to just stand pat or
at least philosophically. Maybe it's a new age of GMS
and being more aggressive to that end of well, how
do I reset the table faster versus I don't want
to help people? And I think that speaks directly to
you know, some of the fantasy football world that we're
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living in, particularly in this podcast.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Man, you think it's a social media thing, just the
noise is overall louder, so it kind of makes them
a little more knee jerky, if that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Just a thought, how do you mean like that the
the calls on Twitter.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Just like the noise surrounding a franchise when they're struggling,
is a lot louder than it once was. Obviously the
newspapers have always existed, but that's kind of just like
a once a day thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
You, Yeah, maybe maybe there's something to that, right that
the cacophony of voices that you're trying to go through
the noise, and maybe you get not bullied, but you're
always trying to justify your job right to a degree.
So if this isn't working, then pivot and say, hey,
we at least tried X, y Z. Maybe maybe there's
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something to that.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
You just got more opinions than ever now. And that's
that's kind of what I mean by that.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna give you a different
angle off of that.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
I think we have a lot of younger gms in
the NFL, and I think that younger people don't give
a crap as much, you know about like I feel
it's where you've got these guys who are coming in
and you know in their.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Some of their late twenties.
Speaker 6 (04:21):
Well, you got on the Jaguars guy and he that
the trade for Travis Hunter is looking very need reaction around.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I mean, he's straight out of draft day because it
was the Jaguars GM that was new that Kevin Costner prayed.
Speaker 5 (04:34):
On right, So a lot of that that's a good poll.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Actually, I think that these guys don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I think that it's you know, there's an old way
of thinking and there's a new way of thinking, and
if you make a mistake, you make a mistake. I
think that there is less connection to players now. I
don't think there's as much emotional attachment. And they're going
to make a move. They're going to make a move. Yeah,
I didn't know if that's analytics, but I do think
(05:02):
that there is something to that.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Well, I think to.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Your point, right, we in the last episode, we were
watching eighteen innings of baseball, right, and the analytics of matchups, pitcher, hitter, hey,
pinch it here, strategies whatever, same thing. In football of
all right, a lot of these guys are reduced to
numbers of how do they fit into an equation to
where we don't like you and I Dan particularly, you know,
(05:25):
of of our ELK, there's guys that are identified with
a franchise.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
That's that's not the way it is.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
I mean, even going back Joe Montana playing for Kansas City,
It's still still boggles the mind when I see him
in a Chiefs uniform on a trading card, right, go EMMITTT.
Smith to Arizona whatever. A lot of that started to
flow where guys were in a second Reggie White leaving
and going to Green Bay. But like, go on down
the line. Now guys are in five six teams and
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it's it's not the same identifier that it once was.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Let me ask you this because you know, Devan e
Chan's name has been thrown out there, and you know
we got the ravens of Dolphins coming up, and if
you're the Dolphins where they're likely going to move on
from Mike McDaniel, Like, if you're a GM, are you like,
let's do this move. I can keep my job or
are you thinking like, all right, I'm not going to
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keep my job.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
How would you go about that?
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Because I think that there are teams when we've seen
how important the running back is and we've been raving
about Jonathan Taylor's success this year, We've talked about Saquon
Barkley last year. The running back has become more and
more of a factor in these stretch runs. If there
was a team out there that said, heck, my team,
the Seahawks eight, they're having a difficult time finding the
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running game going. If you took, you know, some picks
and packaged Kenneth Walker for Devon Hn Walker's going to
be a free agent coming up, Like, wouldn't that be
worth a deal? Like if you were Miami, would you
pull a trade not knowing your future as a GM?
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I think I would look to it for sure, right,
like all of those guys, And we talked about this
at the end of last season in the recap of
the guys that went to new places, like Saquon, they
went to places with a better established operation, right, with
a good offensive line, everything else, Like Jonathan Taylor has
been working with this group in Indianapolis for years and
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then Daniel Jones comes in and it's not a retreat.
It's not the last year of Philip Rivers or well,
Joe Flacco is timeless, as we found. But Matt Ryan
at his end, whatever they try with Anthony Richardson, no,
they bring him in and he and Shane Stike and
start doing something. So it unleashes Taylor on a different level.
But you already had some pretty decent infrastructure for a CHAN.
(07:40):
I think you're working with spare parts to the for
the most part there in Miami. So if I'm a GM, yeah,
if I could get the right deal for a running
back needy contender to give me a couple of picks,
I think I'd spin the wheel absolutely.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
And I love a Chan I think he's a great player.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
We've talked about him a lot the pod and you know,
fantasy week to week as a runner and receiver. But yeah,
I think I would spin him off completely, absolutely and
just burn it down.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
I'm not saying I wouldn't trade him, because I think
I tend to agree with you, Mike, But I think
something that's worth bringing up is that I think in
recent years, teams of sort and fans also have sort
of undervalued I guess the running back. It's always been
a conversation in recent years, like, you know, how valuable
really is the running back position. But if you actually
look across the league at the best running backs, not
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all of them, but most of them were taken in
the first two rounds of the draft. You got guys
like McCaffrey, Jonathan Taylor, Saquon Barkley, Like these guys who
were supposed to be good coming out of college have
all turned out to actually be really good and Alvin Kamara,
I feel like was kind of one of the guys
holding the torch and one of the reasons why that
was lingering. You know, this is just a long winded
(08:52):
way of saying a Chin is actually one of the
few running backs taken in Round three since Kamara was
who's actually worked out. So it's harder to hit on
these guys than it's become the norm to think in
recent years.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
But I'll tell you, though, I look and I look
at it from the team that's like acquiring. So if
you're the Dolphins in this scenario and you're you're you
probably haven't hit rock bottom yet because you're gonna have
to figure out your quarterback situation, no matter how good
to have looked against you know, the Falcons and it's
eight chan running that train. But it's just that it's
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like it's like when you're on a bad baseball team
and you have a really good closer.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like, what's the point It's.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Like, well, it's even, but but even it's it's it's
different with a closer because you're only gonna win fifty
five games. So now you have a great closer, Well,
how many of those games do you win by more
than three runs. Right, So now you have like this
magnificent closer that can only really save you thirty games maximum,
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you know, of the year, because you're not gonna win seventy,
You're not gonna win eighty.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
How many times are the Dolphins gonna be in games?
You know? Right?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
So if you keep a Chan this year and then
next year, this is the last year of his deal,
and then he's going to re up. So now you're
like into twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight, where you're
paying him a lot of money and your team still
hasn't been.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Able to build up enough yet.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Where I look at, you know, that's what I'm looking
at teams that may need a running back at the
trade deadline, that could be like, you know what, we'll
give eight Chan the contract, We'll give him his deal
because we don't have that piece in place right now.
So I think for the future, like for the Dolphins,
he just doesn't have any value because they're not going
to be good for the next couple of years. I
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just there's just there's no point when you're five and
twelve and having Devon a Chan on your team.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
Yeah, it's the curiosity right with Ross. Does he clean
house with both Greer and McDaniel to where you just
have a new fresh set of eyes in both positions
trying to look at the roster, but look the trade
deadlines Tuesday. So Greer is the guy making the disc
vision this time out. I would think saying, hey, we
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get because I got to think a guy like we've
watched a chan and you see what he is, and
try to decide where he ranks amongst current running backs.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I mean it's pretty high. So with the number of.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Contenders in need of somebody more consistent, I got I
gotta think you've got a pretty good marketplace, like whether
whether that you know, go knocking on Kansas City's door
or one of those squads that they could use enough
help to where say, oh, well, yeah, you know it's
here's funny money, draft capital, give us another top notch player.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
There's you just you know, you look at spots and
maybe they don't want to trade with, you know, within conference,
like if you're the commanders and you're sitting there saying
to yourself, all right, we think we've got something with
Jayden Daniels. They don't have anything in the backfield right now,
now you know is there do you have a playoff hope?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Maybe maybe you make a move there.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I talked about my Seahawks because they have been able
to get the running game going. We've seen a lot
of charbon A at the the goal line, but it
hasn't been as as much as you would have hoped
with the the two headed monster of Kenneth Walker and
Zax Charbonette.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
I'll kill you with volume though, Dan volume, as they will.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I just I think that because of the emergence of
the running back in the value, that it could be
something for a team that then would be willing to
pay somebody to have that sort of back, where it
just doesn't pay for the for the Dolphins right now. Plus,
I want to trade done because it overshadows the trade
that I made in my long term league. Guys, I'm
going to I'm going to review this trade. And it's sat,
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It's sat in the guy's mailbox. You know, there's like
a forty eight hour window on it. I swear it
sat there for forty two hours untouched, and I thought
about pulling it, and I'm like, no, I'm not going
Just you know, it'll expire whatever if he doesn't do it.
And then I was scrolling on late last week and
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all of a sudden, I notice my roster was different, like,
oh well, I didn't check my email.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Trade went through.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Standard League, and because of the byes last week, I
really wanted to win in Week eight, so I traded
Ashton genty Standard League again, Rashi Rice and DeVante Adams
for Justin Jefferson, Romandre Stevenson and Chewba Hubbard. Okay, I
wanted running backs. I wanted to add depth. So now
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in the span of a week, when I was betting
on the future, I've had Chewba Hubbard get demoted to
second team. There's going to be no more split. I
have no idea who the Vikings quarterback is going to be,
and it seems like the Chiefs are just tickled pink
to throw the ball to Rashie Rice whenever they want to.
So that's the trade that I ended up doing. I
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have my reasons for it. I still think that it
could work out for me in the end, but right
now the trade that I did, I may have gotten
taken to the cleaners and I proposed it well.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The fact that they left Carson wentz out there to die.
Speaker 5 (14:04):
He doesn't. It's not your fault. I don't know that.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I've seen coaching malfisis and we talked about it a
little bit last week's pot. I'm more in sense the
longer that I get away from that game. For what
I watched last Thursday night, where the dude was a
pinata against the Charger, I don't think there's any easier
way to encapsulate what was gone. And then you get
(14:30):
more word of how hurt he was coming out of
that game against the Steelers, so he'd already gutted it up.
You have a bad offensive line, and then you left him.
So now justin Jefferson's left looking around going, well, you
killed this guy?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
The hell's throwing me the football?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, so sad.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Like you know, we talk about a lot of things
in terms of protecting players or whatever. Who the hell
gets to throw the damn towel there? Quarterbacks should not
keep telling me I'm good as his shoulder is slumped
three feet lower than the other.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
You can see it too, the way that he was
throwing the football, just with that left arm buckled in agonizing.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
Yeah, I mean I was paying to watch the boor
guy out there. But now, I mean, is JJ McCarthy
gonna get cleared all of a sudden, do they go
find break glass and go find another quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
I mean, I I thought maybe that's what the Cousins
bit was for with the Falcons. Sure right, bring him back,
Let's bring him back home. See what see what that's
all about. If JJ McCarthy isn't ready, now you have
an opportunity to still do that sort of thing. But
it sure as heck wouldn't be a vote of confidence
to JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Well, but that but that's the larger question I think
that that Minnesota's got facing it. Is it that he's
still how should we say not good? Or is he
physically unable?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Where where in that?
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Like if you're going in a giant pie chart, Dan, Like,
where do we put the percentages of those two options?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Man? I couldn't say about.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
About the completion percentage of Carson Wentz on Thursday night?
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Probably around that well fortune.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Uh the the I just I also looked at I
looked at the trade like this guy's because it'll give
us just a chance to analyze these guys quick. I
thought that Justin Jefferson has yet to have a breakout game.
The targets are still there. They're gonna throw to them.
You also have a string where you got the Lions
coming up that they've got They've got them coming up
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this week in Week nine, with that secondary banged up.
You've got the Ravens who have been giving up points. Uh,
there's there were favorable matchups that they had, and that's
where I was looking for Jefferson to kind of emerge.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Sure, and I just had big time worries about Ashton gent.
Speaker 5 (16:54):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
I don't you know, I don't know where the Raiders
are going. I don't know if he's going to be
able to hold up all year behind that porous offensive line,
and I just think there's gonna be too many stinkers.
There may be the game here at home, they have
a bad opponent. But now you're you know, we saw
what happen when they ended up having divisional play against
the Chiefs on the road, and you're gonna have the
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you got the Browns coming up in the future. You
got Denver to play yet, so those you got Denver
to play twice. I just didn't like Ashton Genty's future.
So that's kind of why I just felt like I
needed to move them at that point.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
I think there's something of, you know, watching it run
in place, which is really what he's kind of done.
As much as I'm excited to see Tyler Lockett with
Geno Smith and everything, or maybe brock Bauers gets back
that it makes life easier. But like all that said
with brock Bauers, Genty had one game that we talked
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about him in glowing terms. Otherwise it was a lot
of what's wrong with Ashton.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Jenny Yeah, yeah, so I may have and I think
that there was a ceiling on Devonte Adams with Pokinakua
coming back, sure, and honestly with Rashi Rice, even if
you watch the other Chiefs play like Rice had nine
catches on nine targets against the Commanders on Monday Night,
had the touchdown, he had a couple of touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
They keep scoring. He's obviously going to be a factor.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
But I wondered on the big playability and they do
like to feed a lot of different guys, So Juju
Smith Schuster is still getting action. You know, they got
stuff for Xavier Worthy. Obviously you still have Travis Kelcey,
but Rashie Rice has been has been a main guy
and is not eased up. There's not been eased into
the to the plans for the Chiefs. He's been right
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there since he came back from that suspension. So yeah,
I may have may have mishits on the the trade,
may have bought too high on Romandre Stevenson, but you
live and learn.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Well.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
I mean, he's still going to have a big workload. Sure,
they're going to run the ball a ton. Now, was
this the week that we thought Henderson would suddenly get
a bigger workload?
Speaker 5 (19:00):
Nothing trended that way. Yeah, in the thinking. So I'm
with you.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I think I think there's still a great opportunity here.
And look, ric O'Donnell has had a great couple of weeks.
Chuba Hubbard's still gonna be used a bunch.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He got me a backdoor touchdown just because they were
getting killed by the so much. Yeah, yeah, we'll take it.
It was the poorest day. Otherwise they all count the same, Dan, Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
all right, we'll take a time out here. We'll take
a look at that Ravens Dolphins game. Even though we
talked a lot about Devoni Channon trades and whatnot, plus
other happenings in the NFL. He is Mike Carmen hit
(19:35):
him up at Swollen dolman'sy and Roddy find him at
Ian Roddy underscore. I'm Dan Byer. It's all next here
and I want your flex. I know Mike Carmen had
to see it firsthand for some reason. Snoop Huntley just
only plays well in a Raven's uniform. Yeah, I mean,
as crazy as it is, but we're not going to
see him Thursday and night. Mike saw him first hand
(19:56):
on Sunday. Didn't see Lamar Jackson. But Lamar Jackson makes
it his return. He'll do so Thursday night for the
Ravens in Miami as they take out the Dolphins, and
as we tease at the top of the episode, an
interesting game for these two squads is the Ravens still
have postseason hopes and the Dolphins really don't have much hope,
but they at least are coming off of will win
against the Falcons.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Well that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Coming off of that, that game I don't think any
of us saw coming. I mean maybe that they'd play
in some inspired ball, but to come out with the effort,
they did a four touchdown work from two a tongue
of I looa after you know, saying some really troublesome
things out loud about not being able to see guys,
and his whole game has been as far as I've
(20:39):
seen it for all these years, guys has been anticipating
putting guys into spots right timing. It's not like he's
whizzing the ball in there right. That's not not what
he does. But all that to say, you got good
balance and some big efforts. Jayalen Wattle surprised and had
a big comeback game. We've talked a lot about Devin
h Chan. I think the world of him against the
(21:00):
Ravens front. Should have himself a day, and I think
that's where a lot of this game lives. When we
look at what the Miami defense has been very poorous
against opposing run games. So what do you get healthy
dose of Derrick Henry a little bit of a concern
of Lamar Jackson's legs, although maybe he gets eased back
into that part of his game. Keaton Mitchell was back
(21:22):
and healthy and offered a big explosive option for them
against Chicago, So I would expect, you know, Henry's going
to be a top three back for the week, no
question about it. We get Lamar back in as a starter,
but I've been looking at Keaton Mitchell as a guy
in your daily fantasies or as a flex play to
maybe get some action laid in the game to where
(21:44):
we get some points.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
Certainly here and.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'll tell you what points in Week nine. I don't
know if you've seen the lines, guys on the slate
of games. A bit of a different story from week
eight now Week nine. Eagles, Bucks, Jets, and Browns have
a bye. But remember we talked about there were just
a couple of games that were close and then everything
else was kind of a touchdown. And then he had
the Titans Colts game where Indy was about a two
(22:09):
touchdown favorite and the Chiefs were about eleven points give
or take a point. Much tighter lines that we've got
for the matchups that we got, but the over unders
are in a full coming up for Week nine.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Fifty and a half for Baltimore Miami, the high is Arizona.
Dallas is fifty four and a half, m Chicago, Cincinnati
fifty two and a half, Kansas City Buffalo fifty two
and a half. Yeah, there's some great stuff San Francisco
and New York. Even with no camp Scataba and questions
about the quarterback position for San Francisco forty nine and
(22:45):
a half insane.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Wow, there should be opportunities. I would have thought that
we just talked about the Vikings and Justin Jefferson, and
even though we don't know who Minnesota's quarterback is going
to be, once we find out, I wonder if that'll
eave it, in effect at least the over under for
what the Vikings have. But the only dog game in
terms of the line seems to be that Denver Houston game,
(23:08):
which could end up being a pretty good football game
considering the way that the Texans were able to control
things against the Niners. And we'll see how things go
against Denver. But I think for as bad as Week
eight was, Mike, you picked the perfect week to go
to a game because there just wasn't really anything there.
And Ian had the perfect week for his girlfriend to
be in town because he had his Jets win and
(23:29):
then he didn't have to watch all the crap that was.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
On the rest of the day if he didn't need to.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think We're going to
be in much better, better form and have better games
coming up here in Week nine with the slate that's ahead.
Speaker 5 (23:43):
Yeah, four teams on the by, so you worked to that.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
We've talked a lot about the injuries that have piled
up across the league, but some really great matchups when
you get down to it.
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Some curiosities for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
You know, as we get to the second half of
the season, teams, you know, have this this moment to
try to figure out who they are ahead of the
trade deadline, you know, like we always do with Major
League Baseball. Are you a buyer or seller? We haven't
said that in the NFL a ton, but we talked
about it with the change of GMS and age and
philosophies of building a squad that maybe we do after
(24:20):
you know, Sunday's games start seeing a lot more activity
and shuffle up and deal with guys and new homes.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, I'm gonna find interesting is you know Joe Flacco
had the shoulder injury you mentioned earlier, even if he
doesn't go against the Bears, Mic, I mean Jake Browning,
it was more of the interceptions that killed him, and
and I know there was a down game against Minnesota,
but still they could throw the ball, So that's not
(24:48):
necessarily gonna.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I don't think it would change your out.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Uh, you know your questioning on the output of what
Jamar Chase or Chase Brown would do in that game.
And I still think that you could get in the
shootout and maybe maybe that's the opportunity for Caleb Williams
to break out of a bit of a slump.
Speaker 4 (25:02):
Right now, to get back into it and pushing the
ball downfield.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
There were a couple of throws really liked.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
A couple that were head scratching in the Sunday loss
to the Ravens. One that as I did an awful
lot of there's there's memes you know where you just
kind of put your hands over your head. Not quite
the Tim Robbins. I just survived everything in Shawshank, but
just the what am I doing here?
Speaker 5 (25:26):
Why me?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
But still trying to figure out, Like we saw him
Loveland get a ball early.
Speaker 5 (25:31):
He's like, hey, hey, no, cool, come out, he got
a pass? Hey you get dick at him?
Speaker 4 (25:36):
You know, we're yelling back and forth to each other
like idiots, and all the Bears fans in a ten
that's gone.
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I remember, Hey, they remember that guy.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
Exists, So you know, little hits around there. I mean,
Swift wasn't great, but found the end zone. So I
mean you've got the opportunity. But yeah, with Browning, the
thing I like about him is he has no conscience,
like he's already got the forty year old veteran kind
of mentality of all right, I'm here to throw the football,
and I'll make a throw. And for Jamar, Chase and
(26:03):
certainly for t Higgins huge. I wonder if Flacco can't go,
how much that hurts our guy, Chase Brown who's been
rediscovered these last couple of weeks with Flacco under center,
after being just miserable for us and seemingly I had
the giant sharpie king size that had his name in
(26:23):
the cold soars every week for a month. So we'll
see about that. But yeah, starting off with Thursday night,
what do you think can to replicate to any degree
what he did in Week eight?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Absolutely, because I don't have a lot of trust in
the Ravens defense. I just think ultimately Lamar and Derrick Henry,
I mean, Henry's actually been good in the last couple
of weeks, So for as bad as the Ravens have been,
maybe we've slept on him.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Just a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think it could be there, Mike, I just don't
think they're going to win the football game.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
No, I would concur Baltimore a little more than a
touchdown favorite in that one. But gotta love the fact
that we're sitting seeing a fifty number for the total
by the betting line for a Thursday night football game,
because Lord knows, through the years, we've certainly had some
how should we say, less than stellar and exciting outings
(27:18):
to chronicle, so you know, hopefully, hopefully it lives up
to the billing, and certainly everybody excited to get Lamar
back in their lineups and back on the field.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Well, hey, let's wrap things up here on iwinterflex. Mike
and I both like the Ravens coming up on Thursday.
Good slate of games. My Seahawks on Sunday night football, guys,
YU taking on the Commanders and what probably look like
a much better game at the beginning of the year.
But the Seahawks sitting there at five and two tie
to top the division. They've got an interesting stretch coming up,
(27:49):
but a cross country trip to take on the Commanders
and see on how healthy Washington is as they've been
nursing injuries. We know J Daniels and whatnot, and and heck,
we're going to find out on Monday on you know
what's happening with the Cardinals and Kyler Murray as they
go to Dallas. And you talked about that high point game,
(28:11):
So some quarterback injuries to watch throughout the week. Bryce
Young again monitoring as Carolina is on the way uh
to face Green Bay. And if there's one thing that
we've learned last week with Lamar Jackson, never assume, never
assume we're gonna.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Full participant with the scout team.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Yeah, and John Harbaugh, having been in the league all
these years, didn't know the difference.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
It was the Vegas line that really did it.
Speaker 5 (28:35):
It was their favor by a touchdown. Well, but that's it, right.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But that's the problem is coming off of what happened
with the NBA last week, everybody hit the brakes on
that as fast as they could.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Who whoa, whoa, whoa whoa.
Speaker 5 (28:47):
We got to fix that. You mentioned the Monday game,
we'd be remiss.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
You know.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Gus folks did their claims keeping an eye out on
the waiver wire. Murray supposed to in theory be back
if not. Brissett's in decent spots against Dallas for sure.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Sure, And we'll know more on the Thursday practice for
the Cardinals, and we'll be back again Friday with our
rankings that Mike has for the quarterbacks, running backs, and
wide receivers, and have a much clearer picture on the
injuries that have been going down in the NFL. And
we're out, yeah, at the halfway point during week nine,
(29:21):
so after week nine, halfway through the regular season.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
So for Ian Roddy and Mike Carmon, I'm Dan bayer h.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
We need to talk to you later in the week,
give you those rankings, hop plays, points of b los
and streaming defenses and so much more. We'll talk to
you then here And I wonder what
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