Jason Fitz & Buck Reising Talk Micah's Trade Request, Luka's Max Extension & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio. Over the course
of the last forty eight hours, much has been said
about money, and the funny thing is we hear it,
we listen to it, we react to it. But at
what point do we stand back and realize that for
all of the conversations about money, whether it's Luca with

(00:22):
the Lakers or Micah with the Cowboys, it's all predictable.
We should have seen all of it coming and nothing
changes anything that we thought seventy two hours ago. Yes,
we're talking about money, but we're not saying anything new.
It's Fox Sports Saturday. It's fucking fits Buck Rising. I'm
Jason Fitzbuck's gonna be with us in just a couple

(00:43):
of minutes. It's a weekly tradition like no other. He's
having some technical difficulties as we come at you. I'm
supposed to tell you live from the Fox Sports Radio studios,
but that's not where I am. I'm gonna be honest.
I'm just I'm gonna get fined when I say this
after buckets on, so I have to say it now.
I'm hanging out backstage right now at Hertford Healthcare Ampitheater
in Bridgeport, Connecticut because I'm sitting there with a little
big time tonight humble brag, so special thanks to everybody

(01:06):
here at Hertford Healthcare Amphitheater that figured out a spot
for me. Backstage, there are people walking in and out.
They're all having a good time. Everybody's drinking. They're all
looking at me weird through the windows. They are all
having a great time, getting ready for a great concert tonight.
And I'm talking to you about sports. But here's the reality.
I'm talking to you about money because I think we
need a perspective check. Now we'll get to Michael. We'll

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get to Luke, I should say, in just a minute.
We'll get to Luca in just a minute. Signs of
mega deal. You just heard it in the update. What's
it mean? We'll answer that, But let's start with MICHAEH. Parsons,
because it's not that long ago that my phone was
blowing up. About a day ago, twenty four hours ago.
My phone's blowing up everybody over at Yeah, who's saying, man,
we need a video. Mike is demanding a trade. Okay,
I'm looking at and all of a sudden, it's making

(01:50):
the breaking news banner and everybody's talking about it. No,
my god, Micah wants a trade. What does it mean?
It doesn't mean anything. Hell on ice water too, Like, okay,
cool man, you want to trade? So what Nothing's gonna
happen here? Like there's a very serious yeah butt to
all of this, And the yeah butt is that Micah

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doesn't control any of his own destiny. At some point,
you just have to accept where you are in all
of this. And I get it. He wants more money.
I get it. Let me say clearly, he deserves more money.
I get it. I think the Cowboys have done it
all the wrong way. I think Dallas has made this
wildly more confident, complicated than they needed to. I think

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the Cowboys have gotten in their own way and they've
taken this deal and they've made it more expensive. They've
made it a pain in the butt. They've done the
wrong thing for the attitude of the locker room and
the players. All of these things we say are true,
but they don't matter. The only thing that really matters
in all of this is what's gonna happen in the end.

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And do any of you really believe that Michah Parsons
is gonna suit up for somebody else because I don't
I don't believe Michael Parsons is going anywhere? Why because
he can't? Not easily? Okay, ask yourself, first and foremost,
what can be given up in return from Michah Parsons
it would even remotely make the Cowboys comfortable? How many

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first round picks would it take? And who would it
have to be from so that those first round picks
are actually high enough that you get a ton of
value from it. What kind of trade package would it
take for the Dallas Cowboys to even consider it? Because
I think the number there is historic. But then above
and beyond that, why would at any point right now
Jerry Jones press pause. He's made it clear whether we

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believe all In or not. He's made it clear repeatedly
that he wants to see a Super Bowl in his lifetime.
Last time I checked, Jerry Jones, not a spring chicken, right,
last time I checked Jerry Jones, not out here saying
I got ten years, don't worry about it, will rebuild.
This isn't Miles Garrett with the Browns or Max Crosby
with the Raiders. This is Michael Parsons with the Cowboys.

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An organization that, whether I agree with it or not,
seems to think every single year they're in the Super
Bowl conversation. So what can they possibly get in return
for Micah Parsons that would make them more viable as
a super Bowl contender today? Asked that question honestly and
listen to the honest answer, because the honest answer is nothing.

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There is literally nothing that they can get that is
going to make them more of a Super Bowl competitor
today than having Michael Parsons on there. So then look
at it and say, Okay, well they don't want to
do the long term deal yet they haven't given him
the number he thinks that he deserves. All of these
things can be true, but what's next. This isn't a
Dak situation, Like we keep trying to use Dak as

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a comp and Dak is not a comp because Dak
had already gone through a contract situation. So Dak was
facing a contract where, and this is rare in the NFL,
he held all the power. His contract language specifically said
he could not be franchised, couldn't even trade them without
his permission, right, So, like there was nothing that they
could do with Dak other than resigning he held all

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the cards. That's a rarity. That is not the rule.
That is the exception. And when that's the exception, you've
got to step back and ask yourself. Okay, so what
does it mean for mic is deal nothing? Because realistically,
if you're the Cowboys, you can look Micah Parsons right
in the eyes and you can say, you know what,
bub got some time left on this contract, and we've

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got the franchise tag, the way pass rushers going up. Sure,
we can just keep doing this over and over and
over again. What's your recourse if you're Michael Parsons to
sit out? How long would you have to sit out?
Would you be willing to set out that long? Are
you willing to miss all of those game checks? God?
How many times do we talk about this? At the

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end of the day, Every single negotiation is some sort
of a game of chicken. It's some sort of a
weird game of chicken. And the owners always know they're
gonna win a weird game of chicken because they have
more money. We like to apply our concept of cash
to the NFL sometimes, and I think what we have

(06:09):
to forget is that it's nowhere near like there's no
similarity at all. When we sit here, we look at
it and say, what, my god, Michael Parsons is going
to sign a deal for hundreds of millions of dollars
right and the richest NFL player in the world right
now can't even buy a sliver of an NFL team

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because those hundreds of millions of dollars. So Jerry Jones
spends on a boat for fun. How much money do
you have to have in the bank to be capable
of paying Michael Parsons hundreds of millions of dollars? The
answer is billions and billions. So now when you're playing
chicken that way, ask yourself. Okay, we've looked at it.

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The Cowboys hold all the cards. They can control his
rights for several more years if they want to. Okay,
So that doesn't speak to any trade happening. Michael Parson
says he wants out, but Dallas looks around and says,
we won't get anything in return that comes even close
to getting us closer to winning a Super Bowl. So
you can check that off your list when you actually

(07:18):
take all the emotion out of it. And this is
the hardest thing to do, y'all. Every year we get
into training camps and people start freaking out, Oh he's
holding out. Is he gonna report? Take all of your
emotion out and just use logic. Yeah, Michael Parsons has
his feelings hurt. You know what helps hurt feelings. How
many of you have ever in your job looked around
and said, I'm gonna quit. I don't feel appreciated, I

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hate this place. Raise your hand, Be honest for a
second right now, think about this. How many times have
you literally said that, You've gone home and you've said
to your significant other, I'm gonna quit, and then you
get a raise. I caution people about this all the time,
because the minute they get a raised, they're like, oh, no, no, no,
this is not the worst job in the world. It really.

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In six months, you'll be tired of the money you make,
and then all of a sudden, you'll be angry again.
You know what's gonna make Michael Parsons want to be
a cowboy a fat contract offer that gives him what
he thinks he deserves. You know what the cowboys are
eventually going to give Michael Parsons a fat contract offer
that he thinks he deserves. It's inevitable. The cowboys always

(08:21):
get it done. They always get it done too late.
We always scream about it. We always scream about the
opportunity costs lost, We scream about roster construction. We scream
at Jerry, and Jerry just laughs like the old man
on the lawn that doesn't give a damn what any
of us think. Jerry Jones consistently sits back and laughs
because he knows at the end of the day he's

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going to get it done. Should he be talking to
the players without the agents. Should he be trying to
drive down the value. No, No, he could make all
of this a lot easier. He can make it all
a lot easier. But Jerry Jones, at the end of
the day, is not just an NFL owner. He's a
modern wringling brother Artam and Bailey dude. He loves the circus.

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He loves being in the middle of the circus. He
loves being the powerful person. He loves having the opportunity
to do what he wants, how he wants, when he wants,
the way he wants to do it. So the end
of the day, he's gonna turn around and he's gonna
give Micah a fat contract offer, and then we're all
gonna have to walk back all of the time that

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we've spent because it's the off season. We have nothing
better to talk about. Wondering where Michah Parsons is gonna go,
because at the end of the day, Michael Parsons is
still gonna be a Cowboy. I'm Jason fitz hagging out
with you. Buck Rising is going to join us. We're
having some technical difficulties. We will get him in here.
We'll get his thoughts obviously on the Cowboys and of
course Luca and the Lakers. All Right, maybe I'm pessimistic

(09:46):
about what everything means for the Cowboys and Micah, Well
what about Luca and the Lakers? Will break down the
other big money signing when we come back on Fox
Sports Radio.

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(11:34):
took a little baseball stadium and converted it into a
awesome amphitheater. I've played here a couple of times with
different buddies, playing tonight with a little big town, So
gonna have a blast here if you're in Connecticut to
screaming holler tonight. Look, we were talking about money, and
I guess to me, it's less about money and more
about common sense and just accepting certain inevitabilities. Like I'm

(11:58):
I'm not a cynic. I don't really have a cynical
bone in my body. I'm a realist for the most part,
and I'm just sort of natured to look at it
and say, Okay, that's the way things are happening, that's
the way things are going to be, and whatever. I'm
the type of person that you know, if you told
me that for the next ten hours I had to,
you know, pick up trash on the side of the road.
I would do as I'm told, and at the end

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of the ten hours, I would probably ask some questions
just to find out better context to why. But I'm
not the type of person that screams and hollers about
most of anything. Amazingly for this job, that's important context
when you start talking about money. Because Luka Donci signs
a massive extension with the Lakers, and I guess my
only question for everybody is, what did you think was

(12:42):
going to happen? I mean, why is this a substantial
news note? When I think the Lakers made it abundantly
clear that this was the direction they were going to
be going. So he's signing a three year, one hundred
and sixty five million dollar contract extension in person, and
that the first day of the franchise is eligible to
offer him one. So day one came. The third year

(13:04):
is a player option. They could have gone up to
four years, but he's going to get back to the
market earlier. He could have done a four year, two
hundred and twenty nine million dollars deal. So he look
Number one, we all need to remember one thing, Luka
donciz is taking a pay cut through all of this,
because had the Mavericks not gotten rid of him, he
would have been eligible for five years, three hundred and

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forty five millions. So you know that, not to mention obviously,
as he has been smartly points out the difference in
state taxes in California and Texas. I mean, that's a
lot of money that's already gone. So the fact is
he's going to get back to the market as soon
as he can get back to the market and keep
getting contracts. I just think we have to accept that
this is who the Lakers are. The Lakers are exactly

(13:48):
right now today as it stands, exactly what they should
be and what we thought they were going to be
the minute they acquired Luca. Like there isn't some big
breaking news story about the contract here because this inevitability.
You don't trade for Luka Dacic. You don't go through
everything they went through in that process and then be like,
now we're not going to get a deal worked out,
Like there's a reason, look at look at all of

(14:09):
these things. They always say, like ask yourself where a
rumor is coming from, Who benefits from it, and you'll
figure out, you know, who's the person behind it. We'll
ask yourself the same thing from a pr standpoint, Like
Luca was supposed to be too heavy and not willing
to put himself in shape, and doesn't take care of himself,
all of these things that I think are pretty fair.
Like look, there was a question of would coming to

(14:30):
lab an awakening for Luka Dacic. Well, I mean, I
think he's sort of answered that putting himself on the
cover or being put on the cover of you know,
men's health magazine, and they're showing off how just smelt
he is at this point, like Luca has put the
work in, and so now you've got a guy that
is clearly for whatever reason it's clicked. Whether it was
everything around in Dallas, whether it was just a situation

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in Dallas, whether it's just Luca is around Lebron, I
don't know. None of us are really gonna know. Until
Luca goes into a deep dive on what didn't go
right in Dallas and what is going right now and
the way our society works, I'm not sure we'd even
accept those answers. So in my mind, Luca is turning around.
He's doing all the little things that you know he's
gonna have to do, and the Lakers are doing what
they have to do in this process. The biggest takeaway

(15:14):
here has nothing to do with Luca and everything to
do with Lebron. Like it is clear this one. We
all knew, this was clear months ago that Lebron no
longer matters to the La Lakers. That's the big headline here.
Lebron is not the main focus of this team. He's
not the main building block of this team. He's not

(15:36):
the main star of this team. Like this team has
decided to plant their flag with somebody younger that they
can move forward with for the next generation. So what
does all this mean for Lebron? I don't know, But
if you're the Lakers, you really can't give a damn.
If you're the Lakers, the only thing you care about
right now is getting Luca in and making sure that

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Luca is everything that he can be for the next
several years. Kind Of like the way I feel every
single time I get the chance to talk to Buck Rising,
they tell me that we've got you technical. Technical goblins
could not hold you back. The gremlins are gone. Buck
do we have you.

Speaker 5 (16:11):
You sure do, Hi, Bob oh Man.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You know what, I've never been happier to hear your
sensual voice. I've I will say, there's a fine system
for being late, right, Like there's a there's a late
fee fine, Like.

Speaker 6 (16:23):
There's no hilarious that you played a whole concert today,
made it on time, got your connections figured out, and
still I'm the one with the problems.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
I'm gonna be honest with you, man, like you would
have find me multiple times, because I have let everybody
in each segment that I'm in the backstage area of
the Hartford Healthcare Amphitheater in Bridgeport, Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
Well that's what Mary and and Ian are here for.
And the rest of the crew.

Speaker 1 (16:44):
There trying to get you connected because you were out
here Willy Nilly and Nashville just to do whatever.

Speaker 5 (16:50):
Probably we can't multit ask what happened.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
No, I mean they're they're out here trying to figure
out why you're out on one of those you know, bicycle.

Speaker 5 (16:58):
By Sorry I got fined.

Speaker 7 (17:00):
Yeah, you can't put you can't.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
You can't find me this late?

Speaker 8 (17:05):
You can you were taking care of It's a late fine.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
You're right, it was late, y'all are worse than a
ref in a w n B a game that waits
fifteen minutes to then react to a wig.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
I just valid though the fine was valid. Yeah, hell yeah, I.

Speaker 9 (17:20):
Just couldn't do it at the moment because you know,
I was trying to like get but connected.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
But I'm just I'm just curious what time you all
have your doctor's appointment, because jealousy is a disease, y'all.
Jealousy is a disease. I think we'll get the care
of it, and you have it. You have it while
we have the vaccine. After the after the show, when
you guys go back to your normal whatever normal people
do lives, I'm gonna sit in front.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
Of whatever normal people do.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, I'm gonna sit in front of six thousand. Yeah,
I'm gonna stand up in front of six thousand people.
Just walk out there.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
You're really taking a step back in.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Come on, come on, that's a tough scene. Wow wow. Okay,
all right, So now that we've now that I've been
fined multiple times, catering's great here too, by the way.
All right, so look, all I'm saying Buck is that
I don't really care that Luca got a massive deal

(18:17):
today because that's what we expected from the day he
was acquired, right, Like, what what is newsworthy about? Oh
my gosh, this thing I thought what happened actually happened.

Speaker 6 (18:27):
Oh well, the fact that he looks physically the way
that he does. And you know, I know Ian was
being a little tongue in cheek in our group text
earlier suggesting, you know, does he now keep the weight
off or does he stay in condition now that he's
got the money, which I think is kind of a
fair question about Luke. I understand he's got a different
level of mobile, but.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Never he is a new man. He is out there
like he's out in the LA streets, like come on, like, yeah,
you got you gotta take a.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
Little Why he found the mancha since he moved from
Texas to California?

Speaker 5 (18:57):
Is that? Is that what we're alleging.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I'm just saying, and that you know, the the said gently.
I just think, okay, like I'm just gonna be honest.
I think maybe there's a you know, he's he's got
to stand down a little bit more in l A,
Like you know, it's it's a little easier to just
walk into Dallas, and you know, be really rich and
a basketball player, and in La everybody's rich and beautiful
like he's. He's got to take better care of himself

(19:20):
if you, you know, for his arm.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Candy, Is that what you're doing in the in the you.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Know, strenic streets of Connecticut.

Speaker 5 (19:31):
Because you wherever? I don't. I can't. I don't even
think I could name a city in Connecticut. I think
Connecticut maybe my Hartford.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Ever heard of the Whaler's Buck? Ever heard of the Whalers?

Speaker 5 (19:40):
I sure haven't. I don't think. I don't think that's
in my in my lexicon. What is a whaler?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Ask your mom? Okay?

Speaker 5 (19:48):
So uh yeah, come on what.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, no, no. I was just saying that because his
mom's older than he is and she might remember the
Hartford Whalers. I don't know how you guys well, I mean, wow,
it's ok. I can't sure.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
I'm glad, I'm here. Are you sure you're glad? I'm here?
Are you sure?

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Oh? Okay. All I'm saying though, is Luca looks great.
It's fantastic. Lucas signed a big deal. That's awesome the Lakers.
Nothing changed for the Lakers in the last twenty four hours.
That didn't change in the last six months. Like, Lebron
is pretty irrelevant, Lucas the team and they're going to
move forward that way.

Speaker 5 (20:22):
Now wait, wait, wait, wait, what do you mean Lebron's irrelevant?
What does that mean? That's just that.

Speaker 6 (20:25):
Can't just be in a side about the most famous
player in the league right now?

Speaker 5 (20:28):
What do you mean he's irrelevant?

Speaker 1 (20:29):
I mean he's irrelevant to their plans? Like he is? He? Yeah,
they don't.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Give an indication Have they given you that Lebron James
is irrelevant to their plans?

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well, he didn't know about the acquisition of DeAndre eight
in this offseason, which happened at least according to.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
Post which is what he said, which is you know, I.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
Saw people today saying, like, you know, he wasn't at
the press conference or whatever. But like, I don't know,
what indication do you have? Did they give a damn
what he wants?

Speaker 8 (20:56):
It?

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Just if you're trying to win a title in the
next five years, do you really care about where Lebron
falls in all of that? Well?

Speaker 6 (21:04):
No, I think what you're what you're maybe not discerning
there or maybe failing to articulate not that you aren't
a very articular person.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
But should they care versus do they care? Should they care?
Probably not.

Speaker 6 (21:17):
At this stage of his career, we understand what Lebron
James is, and while he's still a higher level basketball
player than anybody else, you know, at forty, he his
level of you know, contribution to the team or how
much that should factor into the team building strategy that
should not matter as much as it probably does matter
to the Lakers organization that values him as much for

(21:38):
the marketing as they do for the on court product.

Speaker 5 (21:41):
You disagree.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I think that the reason that Luca was on the
cover of Men's Health is because they realize they've got
to market their next superstar looking.

Speaker 6 (21:48):
Wortica was on the cover of Men's Health because he
was fat and he likes beer.

Speaker 5 (21:51):
And now he doesn't look that way anymore.

Speaker 6 (21:53):
Okay, Like that's why Luca was on the cover of
Men's Health, not because the Lakers are putting a putting a.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
P R push together. I just that's probably true too.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
I mean, the Lakers. To me, the Lakers are they're
keen on making sure they assigned. Like look, let's be honest,
if you are just looking at the Lakers portion of
his career, only the Lakers portion of his career, not
the entirety of the brand, just the Lakers portion of
his career. Lebron isn't even a mount Rushmore guy for
the franchise. Well what are we talking about here? I mean,

(22:22):
if you just the Lakers portion of his career, Lebron's
just he's in the chapter of pretty good Lakers. He's
not even the chapter of the great Ones. So why
did they give it? Am? I get your point that
you know, the league's always gonna care about Lebron, and
as a brand, you're always gonna care about the money
that Lebron brings in. But like, if you are truly
the Lakers and you're building for your your next championship

(22:44):
and this championship era under whatever it's gonna look like,
you know, with Luca, why do you care about Lebron?

Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well, for all the reasons that you keep telling me
that people need to care about sports because he's more
interesting than he is important Fitcy and that seems like
it's right up your alley.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I hate it when you use my own logga Maru,
give us the update so that I can distract Buck
long enough to try and beat him on the other
side with Morgan and thank.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
You for bailing me out, Martin, No problem and good luck.

Speaker 10 (23:13):
You got about ninety seconds fits, so ready set, I'm
just kidding, all right. Like Curs and Luca, don just
have agreed toated three year, one hundred and sixty five
million dollars maximum contract extension that contains a player option.
In twenty twenty eight, the Broncos and defensive lineman Zach
Allen I have agreed to a four year, one hundred

(23:33):
and two million dollars deal. The Links beat the Aces
today one hundred and eleven of fifty eight. It's the
largest road margin of victory and WNBA history. That's with
the FISA Collier leaving the game due to injury. Her
head coach says, you left for imaging.

Speaker 5 (23:48):
No update yet.

Speaker 10 (23:49):
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been enshrined into Canton defensive van Jared Allen, defensive back
Eric Allen, wide receiver Sterling Sharp, and tight end Antonio Gates.
All the newest class s Deurnley Sharp joining his brother
Shannon Sharp in the Hall of Fame. They're the first
brothers to be in the Pro Football Game and Pro
Football Hall of Fame and tight end Antonio Gates is

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the first player to be inducted into the Hall of
Fame who has not PLU did not play college football.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
So there you go. Just a case that's ever on
your bar trivia card.

Speaker 10 (24:22):
Let's see Major League Baseball Minnesota in Cleveland right now
four a piece in the eighth inning. Milwaukee with an
eight to two lead over Washington. In the ninth Detroit
trying their best to give up this lead to Philly
is seven to five now in the eighth inning. Houston
and Boston the Red Sox with the seven to three
lead in the eighth. In the ninth inning, Miami has
a two tonzing lead over the Yankees. The Mets faring better.

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They have a seven to four lead over the Giants
in the seventh and Texas and Seattle ninth inning.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Two apiece.

Speaker 6 (24:54):
Back to you guys, appreciate you Martin. It's Fox Sports Saturday.
He's chasing fitz on Buck Rising. The sports gods have
blessed us because we have both Lakers news and Cowboys news.
As we hang out with you for the next couple
of hours, and our buddy R J. O'hoa of blogging
the Boys. He covers the Dallas Cowboys of course at

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ESP Nation. You know him well if you follow that
team has been documenting it all. Now we've got the
contract dispute between Micah Parsons and the Cowboys and the
agent's not involved and Jerry's not worried about it. R J,
are you having fun? I know that you know that
you at least have something to talk about if you're
not outright enjoying the mess that this organization continues to

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make with another one of its star players.

Speaker 11 (25:40):
Yeah, it's great to be with you.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
Guys.

Speaker 11 (25:41):
Look, I'm a father. I have a three year old,
so the ability to put food on my table is
one that I'm not ungrateful for. But that being said,
as the Dallas Cowboys fan, you know, we've seen better times,
and I think it's important to underscore that it is
highly annoying. It is incredibly it is supremely petty. But

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this is also super normal, Like we are well conditioned
to this toxicity, and so it's kind of part for
the course in that sense.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
R Jay. I started the show without Buck being able
to push back from me, So I'll let you push
back here. Why do we care? Like, just hear me out.
I think this is going to get done anyway. This's
just is posturing and this is what the Cowboys do
and money solves everything. So am I missing something?

Speaker 11 (26:26):
I think that's a really good question for the national audience.
Why do we care? I obviously from a local perspective,
if you follow the team, it is frustrating, right Like,
if you know this key's success is something that you
care about, then I think you care about this to
your point, it is maddening because we do know how
this ends. This ends with the Cowboys giving Mike a

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blank check, patting themselves on the back, trying to sell
a T shirt about it all, and asking like this
was the plan all the long, completely ignoring the logic
of how they costed themselves a lot of money and
the opportunity to improve their roster. And so I think
if there is a reason to care, it's because this
is what is the expression, like the Emperor showing himself

(27:08):
without their clothes or whatever. I do believe on a
national level, people are catching on again. I mean, I
recognize that people believe the Cowboys are about their brand
and whatnot, But if you examined the events of the
last sixteen months since they had their doors blown off
by the Packers in the wild card round, they have
done nothing but live up to the stereotypes when they

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had done a lot of work for about fifteen years
to fight back against that, and I've fought that fight
on their behalf. But these last eighteen months they have
done nothing but act as if all they care about
is ratings and do things so that they will get
talked about and treat it like free publicity and free
pr And so I guess in that sense you kind
of care because the fourth wall is breaking a little bit.

(27:52):
That might be the best answer I can conjure.

Speaker 6 (27:54):
Up r j Ochoa of sp Nation that covers the
Cowboys here with us on Fox or It's Saturday. Of course,
the Michael Parsons thing is at the top of the
NFL headlines, the statement that he put out our j
Micah specifically.

Speaker 5 (28:08):
I know Jerry spoke it on it.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
He just kind of chalked it up to it's part
of the negotiation process. But I just can't understand how
somebody who's done this as long as Jerry has, who
understands that the agents are supposed to be there so
that the players don't get for lack of a better term,
but hurt about how the negotiation process is going. And
I read this three page statement from Michael Parsons that

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we don't have all the time in the world to
go with now, and I just have to feel like
and as I see his teammates in the locker room
changing their profile pictures to be Michah Parsons and lending
support via social media and things like that, how much
damage do you think that this does the locker room,
whether or not Michaeh Parsons gets his money, which we
all do.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Expect him to get.

Speaker 11 (28:52):
Yeah, I think the fans who are coping are trying
to spin this into well, Jerry has sort of reverse
made Micah the leader that he wanted him to be,
right like, everyone is rallying around him, And I suppose
you could draw that conclusion. Although there are a lot
more efficient ways to go about that process, it is
worth mentioning. I agree with you, Buck. I think that

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you know, even if they won, the Cowboys did, like
how they view it to be a win from a
contractual standpoint, would would it be worth it at this point?
And I think we all agree they're not going to win,
But even if they did, would it be worth it
to have not only burned a bridge with one of
your players, but the best player on your team and
subsequently everyone who falls in line behind him again to just,

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you know, accent all of the things that everyone believes
to be true. It's a really difficult thing for someone
to live up to your worst assumptions about them. And
that's what the Cowboys Fronopsis is doing in this process.
And so I don't find there to be a gain,
which is why you do have to if you're trying
to apply loger to the situation, believe that it is
for the purposes of attention. It is not conduced as

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to winning. It's a poor situation to put Brian shot
high Man, who's a first time head coach. And you know,
while they haven't changed their profile pictures, Dak Prescott and
Cdelam have also been vocal about this. They said, yeah,
you know, and I'm paraphrasing. I don't mean to put
words in their mouth, but they've said things to the
effect of it is silly that that this has to
be the process, and we've done that, We've crawled through

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that kind of like Andy Dufrain, and unfortunately it's Mike
return at this point. But to answer the question, I mean,
the long way of getting here is there is no benefit.
I mean because again, even if you did save pennies
relative to the salary cap space, you pissed off and
alienated all of the most important people in your building.
And I mean today was a circus act in Oxnard,

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right like everyone's they're championing about Michael while they're trying
to work and get ready to take on the reigning
world champions in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I love what you just said about the Star speaking out.
That part does feel strange to me. What do we
make of big name players being willing to use their
podium right now, which doesn't feel necessarily the same as
prior generations when it came to Jerry and his business.

Speaker 11 (31:04):
I completely agree with you that that is a reality.
And now I am not presenting some sort of naive
disposition that like watch out, guys, you know, like this
is the reckoning, like we're watching everyone really take down
to Joneses. But I do think that this started with
DeMarcus Lawrence almost a decade ago. He played the franchise
tag dance with the team and ultimately got them to

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blink and want and then Dak Prescott was the most
visible example of it. And we've all had the conversations
about how you're cutting your nose off just by your face,
you're betting against yourself, whatever. And so a point I've
been trying to make lately is that Micah began these
negotiations with the benefit of the doubt on his side,
but the court of public opinion on his side in
a way that Dak and CD didn't. And some of

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that is also because Dak's the quarterback and people think
he sucks no matter what, right like Mike is universally
regarded as this all world talent. So everyone with a
brain is looking at this and saying, like, what are
y'all doing? And I think that has even Micah's teammates
some courage to be able to step out and to
speak out. And I also would add that it probably

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isn't helping the Joneses cause that they're taking shots at
other players. I'm sure you all have discussed. In the
opening press conference to start training camps, Jerry was asked
how common players like Trayvon and Davis and Terrence Steel.
It did get extensions done early when players like Micah
and Dak and Ced have had to wait. And Jerry,
I mean, like in front of the entire crowd, in
the entire world, said well, to be frank, should we

(32:28):
have waited on those guys? And it's like, dude, those
those guys are on your roster, Like, what are.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
You doing here?

Speaker 11 (32:32):
Man? And Trayvon is one of Micah's closest friends on
the team, and so you know, I think that you know,
Jerry and Steven are kind of daring the team. I mean,
Steven had a quote last week where he said, Mike's
got a want to be paid, and so I think
everyone's just kind of sick of the petulant and sick
of the pettiness. And so it isn't hard right to
stand with Micah Parsons, right, And so I think that's

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also why some of these dudes are jumping on the brigade.
But it is a matter of like the Atrice taking
the toll after toll after toll, and now you have
this superhero who can kind of lead the charge against
you know, the Dead Star.

Speaker 5 (33:06):
So to speak.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Last one for you RJ and thirty seconds or less
if you could, and we do appreciate you spending some
time with us this afternoon. Brian Schottenheimer, does he regret
taking this job?

Speaker 11 (33:19):
I don't think so, and I know you gave me
thirty seconds the last. Ultimately, what it always comes down
to with your cowboys, if there are thirty two of
them right like you can very easily. We've all convinced ourselves,
whether it's a job or an opportunity in life, to
be like, it's worth it. I can make it work.
I can make it work, I can make it happen whatever.
And you know what, Brian Steinheimer's ever gotten another head
coaching job. I don't know, but the issue would suggest

(33:42):
probably not so. I think he, you know, wishes it
were different. But I guess the best answer to that
is to say, I think Mike McCarthy's enjoying his Saturday afternoon.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
At Rjocho is where you follow him as v Nation
Cowboys coverage.

Speaker 5 (33:55):
RJ. Thank you for the time, sir, Thanks brother, of
course you'll have a good weekend. That's the man. Rjoho,
what do you think about that fitzing?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Look, we got to take a break when we come back.
What RJ just said about Schottenheimer and about the Cowboys
is the reason the entire franchise is lost. I'll tell
you what I mean next. It's Fox Sports Saturday on
Fox Sports Radio. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz. You're

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listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 6 (34:25):
Everybody likes to feel special, especially if you're the Dallas Cowboys.
But what happens when your own words, your own actions,
your own approach to doing business around the organization that
you want to be the most special in all of
America's favorite sport, once you start to denigrate that level

(34:48):
of specialness, especially if you haven't done much winning of late,
It's Fox Sports Saturday. He's Jason Fitz. I'm Buck Rising,
hanging out here with you for the next hour and ten.

Speaker 5 (34:59):
We're happy to have you.

Speaker 6 (35:00):
And of course, the Cowboys are a subject of discussion
basically anywhere that you look, anywhere that you turn. I mean,
that's a normal case of events. But FITZI heard something
from our last guest, r J o'choa that really seem
to catch his attention about just how less special that
Cowboys job feels.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
Of late, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Asked RJ if Shoddy regrets taking the job, and the
answer was sort of, well, you never regret it because
there's only thirty two of them. I am the fan,
as everyone knows, of a football team that sucks. When
you are the fan of the football team that sucks,
you know, eventually it gets so bad that when you're

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hiring coaches or you're looking for players, somebody will say, hey,
there's only thirty two of them. Well, like you reach
the very very bottom, just the absolute bottom of de
cesspool of fandom is when you see somebody say, well, no,
nobody wants that job, but there's only thirty two of them,
so somebody's gonna take. That's what you say about the

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Browns after an oh in sixteen season. That's what you
say about the Jets after just failure after failure after failure.
That's what you say about the Raiders after sixteen coaches
in thirty two years. The there you know somebody's gonna
somebody's gonna want the job. When you're saying that about
the Cowboys, damn, like my god, and it's gotten so bad.
Think about the context of how ourj put that. Not

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only is it well Schottenheimer doesn't regret it because there's
only you know, only thirty two of them, which means
nobody else is really gonna want, you know, that job.
That's where the Cowboys are. They got to beg for
somebody that nobody else was trying to hire and that
nobody else was trying to bring in as their head
coach that we know of, and that's the person that
then decides on the Cowboys because well, there's only thirty

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two job openings. Like when did the Cowboys get that low?

Speaker 5 (36:50):
Right about now? That seems I mean serious answer, Schottenheimer.

Speaker 6 (36:56):
You know, I know people are down on it because
it's not a sexy high or whatever. And I've only
had the opportunity to you can find me for this
mayor if you want to. I've only had the opportunity
to talk to the man once or twice because he
lives in Nashville and he was on my flight down
to owners meetings to Palm Beach this past March.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (37:15):
I don't know this man, and Mike vrabel is introducing
me on a plane while bullying me at the same time,
So it's not necessarily an advantageous position for me to
start throwing out nicknames for a man who doesn't know me,
who's sitting there just trying to enjoy his flight down
to Palm Beach with his wife. But either way, the
Schottenneimer may be better than they deserve because he's willing
to do the job, and you know, because he's got

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a unique background, and I know he wasn't the best coordinator,
hasn't been the best coordinator.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
But those guys can be good head coaches.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
It's not just an nexus and O's job, and the
Cowboys may luck out with somebody who is actually going
to be able to do that job well, because God knows,
there's not a lot of people that would sit there
Grenn and Barrett through a Jerry Jones press conference while
the owner is actively pissing off every player in the
locker room that you're having to oversee and you're having
to get to work in one direction. It's just a

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different kind of vibe. When Brian Schottenheimer's, you know call
a rallying cry for the troops is, hey, the owner
doesn't believe in you, Let's go out there and show
him otherwise.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
It's craziness.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
So here's the one thing that I always look at
when you talk about the Cowboys in general. Mike McCarthy
was not a terrible head coach, Jason Garrett was not
a terrible head coach. Wade Phillips, Bill Parcells, like I
keep going through the list. Jerry Jones doesn't hire disasters
the Cowboys as a overall because their expectation has never

(38:35):
met on the field, and because of the way that
we talk about them, we feel like they are just
at the worst of the worst of the worst of
the worst. They are not like more more likely than not.
If you just look at how coaching hires go for
Jerry Jones, He's going to have a coach that wins
ten or eleven games a bunch of times, and they
go to the playoffs a bunch of times, and they
don't win a Super Bowl. Like He's actually pretty good

(38:55):
identifying a decent head coach. He's just not good at
identifying that guy that's like the oh my God, holy cow,
that's the guy that God had done head coach. That
may not be a strength. I don't think there's any
chance the Schottenheimer's a disaster because Jerry hasn't hired a
disaster in a very long time. So like. The hard
part about this conversation is that we're talking about the

(39:17):
Cowboys like they are a disaster when they're not. Their
record on the field is not disastrous. Their record on
the field is mediocre, so like, But because we have
this heightened expectation, mediocre is perceived as disastrous it should.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Be for them, it is mediocre is disaster.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
But this comes back to what we always say, like
for them, No, it's still mediocre. The Cowboys are. The
Cowboys are who we thought they were. Their mediocre. It's
not my fault Cowboys fans think that they're great. It's
a mediocre, no mediocre.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Franch fan base.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
RJ is a fan that covers the team fitsy and
you hear how resigned he is to the idea that
his organization, the organization that he both covers and actively
roots for, is not special in any way.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
Just one of thirty two.

Speaker 6 (39:58):
That is an indictment on the Cowboy That is a
mission from the fan base that they are not what
they think that they are supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
The snake Kid is not what it needs to be.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
That cannot help. But if you keep looking in the
mirror and you think you're a nine, and it's like, no,
you're not a nine. You're a Paduca nine, which is
like a la four.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
I am a nine.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Well, you're a nine to me, like a perfect ten.
For the I have no teas you're listening to Fox
Sports Radio. The Cowboys are in the news, as the
Cowboys are always in the news for soap opera reasons.
I guess my question is for what in all of

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this conversation, No matter what happens for Michael Parsons right now,
the real question we should be asking ourselves is are
the Dallas Cowboys actually a Super Bowl contender? And if
the answer is no, why do we care so much
about the money that they're not spending. He's Buck Rising
on Jason Fitz. It's Bucking Fits on Fox Sports Saturday,
coming at you live from the Fox Sports Studios, which

(40:59):
in bucks case means Nashville, Tennessee, and in my case
means I am hanging out backstage at the Hartford Healthcare
Amphitheater in Bridgeport, Connecticut, where I will be tonight sitting
in with a little Big Town playing a playing a
little bit of a fiddle with the with the band,
sitting in some people player show just just you know,
I'm welcoming the fine right now, I'm trying to get fined.

(41:19):
Uh that that? Oh okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna ven.

Speaker 5 (41:27):
I don't think that's actually my venmo?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Is it not? Or you're just trying to back me.

Speaker 5 (41:32):
Why what's gonna.

Speaker 7 (41:33):
Happen happen in scottis shuffler right?

Speaker 5 (41:36):
No, what happened?

Speaker 9 (41:37):
Well, he like, I guess people found this venom and
was like requesting money from him, like after he won,
like they're requesting money from him.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Look, you can, you can request money from me all
day long. I ain't gonna give it to you. Like
there there's like I don't care who.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Me putting my venmo out there in the world is
going to get me a bunch of requests.

Speaker 9 (41:54):
Oh, actually, was sorry, Marion told me after they like
after I guess they lost the bets over him.

Speaker 7 (42:00):
I guess he lost them some bets apparently, and they
were money from that's.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
That is that is. I don't think that's the piece
of life advice there and it's all the places to Yeah,
you know what, there's it's just one of the tricks
to this job. I don't I think I think I
want to move past it, but I also just want
to give it one.

Speaker 5 (42:27):
I want to sink into that so bad that I
don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah, oh man, here we are. You know, he's Buck Rising,
I'm Jason Fitts, and this this is, this is it.

Speaker 5 (42:39):
Yeah, if you listen to it, I made his first
you know, twenty minutes of the show.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
To figure it out.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Wait, it would have been funnier said it. No, it's.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Yeah, I think so. I think so. I'm not sure
Buck and I are allowed to react if you say
it like, I don't know how that works. I don't know.
I don't I don't know the process. That doesn't.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
That be the one given out of venmo oh.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Test it out. Let's see what happens. This is, this
is this has gone spot like, we've gone out of
control a lot of summer. This is, this is this
is maybe some of our finest work. Look. I understand
why the Cowboys are relevant. I understand the brand, I
understand the fans, I understand all of these things. I
just think we waste our time with things that don't
matter and inevitabilities, and I just I'm not wired to

(43:27):
do that. It's why I tell people all the time,
like I don't care if we didn't land on the moon.
Conspiracy theories, I don't give a damn about. It doesn't
change my Saturday. Like, what I have to accomplish the
rest of the day isn't going to be any different,
no matter what your conspiracy theory is or what you
think the government is hiding from us. So like I'm
a very you know, Okay, what's in front of me?
What do I have to do? I guess my thing

(43:47):
is buck like we and you and I have talked
about the fact that I think we talk too much
about the Cowboys, and I think that they're just a
mediocre franchise that's sort of a mid thing that's turned
into its massive brand. But it's amid everything else. And
so you know, why are we surprised? My thing is,
it's fine, It's just why are we acting surprise? So
for me, Michaeh. Parsons demanding a trade only means he's

(44:08):
gonna get a big fat check and Dallas he's gonna
pay him anyway. And at the end of the year,
we're gonna be bitching about the fact that the Cowboys
didn't win a Super Bowl and having Micah or didn't
have not having Micah, not having a contract, overpaying. None
of these things really matter because at the end of
the day, the team's not good enough to win a Super.

Speaker 5 (44:23):
Bowl, but the team is good enough to win a
Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
Fits do you think that you think this version of
the Cowboys is on par with this version of the Eagles.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
No, but I don't.

Speaker 6 (44:34):
Well, actually, this version of the Eagles, this version of
the Eagles. The thing that Howie Roseman does so well,
and it's why Philadelphia is a perpetual contender this way
is they know when to lay up essentially, all right.
They let a bunch of their key contributors in Philadelphia
walk in free agency this year, whether it's Milton Williams
or who is a Josh Sweat I think was the

(44:54):
pass rusher that ended up going to Arizona after being
in Philadelphia. Part time players for them that are taking
on more full time roles for lesser organizations, and they're
gonna regenerate organically, and they're gonna let the young guys,
you know, get some reps and then in a couple
of years they'll be ready to cycle up. So this
version of the Eagles, the twenty twenty five version of
the Eagles. They still have more to give. They still

(45:16):
have Saquan aj Brown. They still the.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Best offensive line and one of the best defensive lines
in football.

Speaker 6 (45:21):
Even with that, like they all, that defensive line is
going to be interesting because that defensive line did in
huge part win them the Super Bowl, and I think
it's gonna have a little less juice. But I think
in Dallas they have comparable parts. Like their top end
pieces are as good as the top end pieces in Philadelphia,
and I would include the quarterback. I know people are

(45:42):
in and out on DAK but like Jalen Hurts, who
is a Super Bowl champion and an MVP, and he'll
have that and a winner at every level that he's
ever been at. I'm not taking anything away from Jalen Hurts,
but there are smarter football than you and I, a
smarter football people than you and I who will tell
you where is limitation are and how the Eagles excellent
roster helps circumvent some of those limitations. I think the

(46:04):
top end pieces in Dallas are just as good as Philadelphia's.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I think the top end pieces in Dallas are very good.
I am concerned about Dallas's offensive line. I'm concerned. Frankly,
when you look back at history for Schttenheimer, he loves
to run the ball. I don't know how they're going
to run the ball. I still don't think that they
have a solution at the running back position that I
feel really confident in. I think that the best way,

(46:27):
you know, yeah, their wide receiver. When you add Pickens
to Dak who I stand on the Dak platform all
the time. I think Dak is good enough to win
a Super Bowl. I just don't know about the rest
of that lot. That offensive line makes me nervous. And
at the end of the day, Dak's also got to
stay healthy, which has been its own issue. So you

(46:47):
combine all of that with the fact that you know
they're in this situation in the same conference as Philadelphia.
It's just man Washington. I think Washington's going to take
a little step back this year. The analytics show that
they were uncarre realistically lucky last year and that that'll
sort of bring itself back. But they still feel like
a ten win football team to me, Like I don't
know the Cowboys. Last year. I went in heavy on

(47:09):
the Cowboys, thinking, hey, all they ever do is win
twelve games. And last year that was that's what.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
This was about.

Speaker 6 (47:14):
That we found the root cause you said yours too
high and when they because you inter be got hurt.

Speaker 5 (47:20):
You're taking it down on the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
No, you and I one area where you and I
are squarely different. I'm glad to come in and be like,
you know what I was wrong about? That's a no,
I'll walk into. Yeah, you know what I should rethink
that I I looked at last year. The argument on
the Cowboys was that they were two one dimensional offensively,
to which I said, Okay, they've been one dimensional for
years and all they ever do is win twelve games,

(47:42):
So what the hell are we talking about? Last year
was the first time that they genuinely looked too one dimensional.
And I am at this point over obsessed with the
big boys in front, Like I just I don't if
I can't trust the entirety of your offensive line, then
I get nervous, buddy. So like, that's part of what
makes me nervous about the Cowboys. I also think, like
I said, because the metrics showed me that Schottenheimer is

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going to try and run the ball a lot, and
I don't think they're going to be able to do that.
I feel like they're going to put themselves in bad
down and distant situations a lot, and that's just not
a favorable way to play football that leads to turnovers. So, like,
I think Dallas is probably kind of a fringe playoff team,
but I don't. I don't look at them and say wow.
And I also like, I don't say that with some
level of I'm not Steven a out here, just like

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trying to hate on the Cowboys, I'm also not a
Cowboys fan. I just look at it and say, a
pretty mediocre team is going to be pretty mediocre.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
That's okay, No, But so I guess that gets into
a different level of the conversation because like, I've had
this thing with the Pittsburgh Steelers for a while where
they haven't had one. They haven't won a playoff game,
and I think it's something like eight seasons or something outrageous.
It's it's a way, way way too long for an
organization that does win enough but doesn't actually win enough
for the standards that that fan base has. The Steelers,

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though they make the playoffs, but how often would you
consider the last couple of dealers teams to make the
postseason actual super Bowl contenders. So if the Cowboys get
in as a wild card or something like that, and
there's reason to believe that they could, Washington is going
to be a bigger hurdle for them to overcome than
they ever have been in years past.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
But I think Dallas can give them a run for
their money.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
And there's reason to believe that Washington may have a
harder time this year than they did last year, where
their injury luck was excellent and Jaydean Daniels hit the
league or took the league by storm. There will be
some defensive adjustments that negate a little bit.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Of that highest fourth quarter conversion rate in NFL history
over the course of the season. That's the one that really,
oh yeah, for Washington take some like when you convert
at that historic level on fourth down, I don't know that.
I just don't know how you. I don't know how
you turn that around. So you know, that's the reason

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I think they take him any steps.

Speaker 6 (49:54):
My point is, if Dallas gets in as a wild card,
but you know you have the thoughts about them that
you do, do you consider them to be a contender
because if I if you get into the playoffs, and
maybe my bar is solo because the Titans have been
so god forsaken for the last couple of years, which
is the organization that I cover on a day by
day basis, I think that if you get into the postseason,
you should be considered a Super Bowl contender, even if

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there are flaws with your roster, because the results are
still pretty unpredictable in the sport.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
I cannot believe in the same segment we've gone from
the wild uh comments, we went from early to this
deep think piece. You have created a really interesting conversation.
Who if you are a playoff team, are you actually
a super Bowl contender? I'll answer that when we come back.
He's Buck Rising, I'm Jason Fitz. We're hanging out with

(50:42):
you on Fox Sports.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
Radio Boogie and Elite. It's what Cowboys fans would like
to think that they are in the modern age.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
It's not for all of us.

Speaker 6 (50:54):
It's Fox Sports Saturday. He's Jason Fitz, I'm Buck Rising.
We're hanging out here with you for just about forty
more minutes. And the question that we've been discussing, or
that we've just recently stumbled upon, as is usually the
case for this show, is if you make the postseason,
do you automatically get to be considered a contender. The

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Cowboys are obviously in the news, The Lakers are making
headlines with the Luka Doncic extension as well. I'm sure
we'll swing back around to that at some point in time.
But FITZI, I've had this argument on my local show
here in Nashville for a couple of years, and it's
been specific to the Pittsburgh Steelers because there's been a
lot of Steelers teams to make the playoffs here in
the last couple of years, but they don't win playoff

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games anymore, which is one of the reasons why Mike
Tomlin's tenure there may be coming to an end, whether
it's by their choice or by his. But they do
make the playoffs, and if you are one of the
last teams remaining in the postseason picture, or when the
postseason picture is put together, I do think that still
makes you a contender because you are by definition contending

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for a Super Bowl.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
You would disagree.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
I mean, our mutual friend Harry Douglas always says, if
you get in the dance, you got a chance, getting
the chance, get in the dance. You got a chance.
Always talk about all you got to do is get
in the playoffs, and then everybody has a chance. I
will be wildly jaded by my own personal experience a
couple of years ago when the Raiders shocks of the
world and won ten games and went to Cincinnati for

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the first round playoff game that they lost. They were
closed in that game. That's the same Cincinnati Bengals team
that then took on the Titans. Did any of us
really believe that the Raiders were a Super Bowl contender? No,
they were a team that stumbled and tripped and felled
their way into the playoffs. You're like, oh, that's pretty cool.
Few years before that was the year that they made
the playoffs where Derek Carr was like an MVP candidate

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according to everybody, and he got injured the last week
the season they went to the playoffs or the backup
quarterback certainly never had a chance. That felt wildly different
to me than the Rich Cannon era Raiders, where every
year they were in the playoffs. You're like, now, this
team is genuine this is a super Bowl caliber football team.
I do believe that you can be super Bowl caliber

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and not win. It takes too many things breaking your
way over the course of a game, over the course
of several weeks to win a super Bowl. There's a
lot of luck involved. I don't know though, at my core,
if I truly believe every playoff team is actually a
super Bowl contender by definition the way, if we're being
very literal, then yeah, of course you're one of the

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final remaining You're in the one single elimination playoff process.
Of course. Well, I mean, by that same argument, a
sixteen seed is actually a NCAA tournament contender. No, they're not.
They're just they're in the tournament and it'll be a
cute little run, but they'll ever win.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
Yeah, I mean, and I guess it's more.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
You could have a more nuanced discussion depending on which
sport you wanted to focus in on, right, Like the
NCAA tournament. God help us if the NCAA actually gets
their way and expands this thing, which would make me
furious because sixty eight teams isn't enough. But again, it's
a sixty eight team field in the NCAA versus what
you have in the NFL postseason picture. And I do

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think that while the NFL, the NFL doesn't feel predictable
by nature, but their postseason tends to be right. Like
the regular season, you've got parody all over the place,
You've got one score games all over the place, and
a team like the Chiefs.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
Is a very adept or at least has been very
adept at.

Speaker 6 (54:29):
Surviving those one score games and route to holding serve
and putting together a fifteen win season and appearing in
the super Bowl. And then when they get to the
super Bowl, we just assume that they're gonna win it,
because why wouldn't. They've got the best quarterback in the sport.
And then the Eagles turn the thing on its head
and we start to question what we may or may
not know about one of the teams that we think
is a super Bowl contender when Kansas City Chiefs in

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that game did not look like a Super Bowl contender.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Parody in the NFL is the biggest lie that we've
all decided is truth in modern sports like so parody
in the sense of I can go for my suck
to I make the playoffs, fine, But if you look
at championships and like it feels like in every other sport,
we're like, oh, it's championship or bust. If you look
at championships, I mean, my god. The seventies were dominated

(55:15):
by the Cowboys and the Raiders. The eighties were dominated
by the forty nine Ers and the Cowboys. The nineties
were dominated by the Cowboys and the forty nine Ers.
Like I forgot the Steelers in the seventies. Sorry, And
then you have the entire run of the New England
Patriots followed by what is now a dynastic run by
the Kansas City Chiefs. Like, parody towards championships actually doesn't
exist in the NFL. If you want parody towards championship,

(55:38):
like championship parody, the NBA does that far better. They
have a different champion every damn year, but we don't
give them any credits. So I think it's funny when
you say that, because I do believe parody exists in
the sense that the NFL has made with the concept
that teams will not be in the basement forever, but
actual championship level play. Man. That's like it's always in

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dynastic runs. That's the NFL does dynastic runs.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
I mean, nobody knows that better than the AFC. God knows.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
You feel like you're coming up for air a little
bit after the Tom Brady Patriots, and then Patrick Mahomes
comes along after Brady goes to the NFC, and you're
looking around, like, what the bleep?

Speaker 5 (56:13):
What are these other teams supposed to do there?

Speaker 6 (56:16):
Other than pray and wishould hope for the odd Joe
Flacco Ravens year to break through and break up the
monotony or or something like that. That is that the
greatest lie that we tell ourselves about the NFL, that
parody is still that much of a thing to where
we just default. It may be, it may be the
top of the list fits.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I mean, at some level. If parody were real in
the NFL, then the breaks would eventually lead to the
Bills getting a championship. The breaks would eventually lead to
the Ravens getting a championship. All of these teams that
we're looking at right now that we're saying, God, they're
very good. Like Joe Burrow last I was really reminded

(56:58):
when I watched Quarterback at how how stinking special Joe
Burrow was last year. Right, there's a very real chance
that we end up in the next over the course
of the next decade with Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow,
none of them getting a championship, none of them like
that that's real. And then we're gonna have to sit
back and be like, oh, okay, well, how do we

(57:18):
process that, you know, in a in a parody conversation?
So yeah, I when you talk about the things that
don't exist that we think exists in sports parody in
the NFL, and I guess it's how we define it though,
because again you mentioned smartly that the Steelers fan base
is frustrated. Why because all they have is parody. Cowboys
fans are frustrated because all they have is parody, Like Jags, Raiders, Browns,

(57:43):
Bears fans are frustrated because they can't even get into
that level of parody, right Like Titans fans are frustrated.
They can't even just get to mediocre mediocrity. Everybody's everybody's
their own quarterbacks calling a mid Did you were you
surprised by that? Like quarterback for three seconds is coming
out me? I mean, I mean quarterback for three seconds.
It's straight out of college that played at Miami, Like

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we're not talking about he came out of Nick Saban's
sort of process or any like. He came out of Miami.
And he's basically saying, I don't know. It just feels
like there isn't some commitment to greatness here. We're pretty mediocre.
I thought that was stunning.

Speaker 5 (58:20):
Uh, yeah, he's right.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
I've got culture.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Well, I've covered this organization for nine years. They used
to have that.

Speaker 6 (58:28):
It left with Mike Vrabel, Derrick Henry AJ Brown when
they traded him away, and everything else it's been in tatters.
This twenty two year old shows up. He actually has
standards for himself and the people around him, which is
not something this organization has had in any way, shape
or for him.

Speaker 5 (58:44):
And they've got I wouldn't.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Every fan base has dumb people in it, all right,
but this, Yeah, there is a particular level of ridiculous
entitlement from an organization, from a fan base, a percentage
of a fan base for an organization that has done
absolutely no winning, and in fact it works against that
fact to their own detriment, that will simp for them
at every turn.

Speaker 5 (59:05):
That makes me insane.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
So the fact that cam Word came in here looked
around said, yeah, we're very mid right now. And he's
had his own struggles as the number one overall pick
as any rookie was. But thank god, somebody around here
is willing to say what they are and to try
and raise the standards and make everybody better and talk
about what was the line at the press conference, good
thing come to those who work whi'chs just fired me

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the bleep of fits because they don't have anybody like that.

Speaker 5 (59:30):
That dude.

Speaker 6 (59:31):
People are going to fight for that dude. People are
going to play for that dude. And that is something
that this organization lacks. It's a bunch of losers around here.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Now the next head coach is really going to enjoy.
Wait to get out of it. I mean, look, sorry, Brian,
I am again this is that realist portion of me.
So to answer your question, as you look at it,
we always saw the Titans in the playoffs a couple
of years ago. Did you really believe that that Titans team?
Did you, in your heart of hearts, did you believe
that Ryan Tannehill was going to take the Tennessee Titans

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to a Super Bowl a couple of years ago?

Speaker 5 (01:00:01):
You're talking about nineteen when they went to the AFC
Championship game.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Was that, No, the year was that the year they
lost to Cincinnati.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
That was twenty one. They were the number one overall seed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
Yeah, well the number one overall seed.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
My god, I forget that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:15):
I forget that. They were the number one overall seed.
And Ryan Daniell imploded just through interception after interception after
interception in that game.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
Well it was three interceptions and it was the first
player of the game, is the last player of the game,
and a goal line pick to toss in the middle
of their too, Fitzy, I'll tell you that, Like that's
that Bengals game is as much as I've believed in
them at any given point, because if you'll remember, Derek
Henry missed half that season and they still won twelve games.
They dressed more players than any team in NFL history.

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They broke the injury record from I think the Niners
and the Dolphins back in the early two thousands. And
that was the year that Mike Vrabel won Coach of
the Year and they were doing all kinds of things
that they had no business doing. Julio Jones was on
that team. AJ Brown was on that team. They missed
a bunch of time that season due to health, and
all three of those players, Derrek Henry, Julio Jones, and
aj Brown, they were as healthy going into that playoff

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game with a weak arrest as the number one overall
seed home field advantage as they had been. So I
did look around at me like, all right, they might
have something here, and then they It looked like a
bomb it hit that stadium. For as shell shocked as
that fan base was, it's as traumatizing moment. I think
that's one of the key moments in the breaking of
this franchise to send it spiraling into mediocrity less than

(01:01:25):
mediocrity as the worst team in football last year. Yeah,
I really did think that they had something and they
very very much didn't, even though they sacked Joe Burrow.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Nine times in that game. Nine times fits.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Yeah, that was a week after the Raiders got after
Joe Burrow too.

Speaker 5 (01:01:41):
Like again, the bank, that ridiculous officiating in the end zone.
I forgot about all that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, this is this is the maddening part of it,
because when you had built a league that commences everybody
parody exists, everybody remembers one or two little moments from
the course of the season as the finding reason they
don't have a championship, and I just I don't know
at my core if I really believe parody exists. To

(01:02:07):
answer your question from earlier, I don't think making the
playoffs makes you a Super Bowl contender. I think that
we have to trust sometimes our eyes. And like as
much as college football has become this sort of polarizing
conversation about the eye test, I think there's a reason
the eye test has to exist. You gotta watch games
and you got to look at it, and you can

(01:02:29):
see sometimes when a team feels hot, when a team
doesn't feel hot. You can see when a team feels special.
And I think even though the Cowboys will make the playoffs,
I don't think the eye test will tell us that
they belong in the same category as a Super Bowl contender.
Martin Wise, get it caught up on what's going on
in the world of sports, because I think there's a
contract for somebody in LA. We got to talk about it.
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (01:02:48):
Yeah, there is Luka Doncinz signing the contract. He's agreed
to a three year, one hundred and sixty five million
dollar maximum contract extension with a player option in twenty
twenty eight, that had a big press conference they celebrating
the fact that Luca would be here six months to
the day that Luca got traded.

Speaker 5 (01:03:06):
To Los Angeles. So a little uh, little uh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
What is that?

Speaker 10 (01:03:10):
Something cool there? Broncos defensive lineman Zach Allen agrees to it.
I've tried to think what is it. I can't think
of the literary term. It's poetic justice that we're just
sat there and stared at each other. Yeah, there's a
word there.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
Yeah, something out there. Thanks for the life jacket, guys,
you know, appreciate the rope, you know, thanks a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:03:30):
Bronco with defensive lineman Zach Allen, agrees to a four year,
one hundred and two million dollar deal. The Links beat
the Aces one eleven of fifty eight. That's the largest
road margins of victory in WNBA history. The feast of
Collier didn't leave the game due to injury, though still
waiting to hear worried about what that injury is.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
The Pro Football Hall.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Of Fame class of twenty twenty five has been announced.

Speaker 10 (01:03:49):
Defensive end Jared Allen, defensive back Eric Allen, wide receiver,
sterling sharp and tight end Antonio Gates becoming the new
Forest members to be enshrined in camp. The Rangers just
took care of just took care of the Mariners and
extra innings and the eleventh inning, they're six to four.

Speaker 5 (01:04:07):
The Mets beat the Giants twelve to six.

Speaker 10 (01:04:09):
Elsewhere in earlier Major League Baseball in the day, the
Mets beat the Giants twelfth.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
I just said that.

Speaker 10 (01:04:14):
The Marlins beat the Yankees two to nothing, Guardians five
to four over the Twins, Red Sox seventy three over
the Astros, Brewers eight to two over the Nationals. The
Tigers were able to hold on with their new closer,
Kyle Finnega, getting his first save against the Phillies seven
to five. Rockies beat the Pirates eight to five. Rockies
has been kind of hot in their last few games.

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Still thirty and eighty though, so there's got a lot
of ground to make up. Blue Jays is with they
two to four win over the Royals, and the Orioles
came from behind beat the Cubs four to three.

Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
Rays blanked the Dodgers for nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
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(01:05:11):
every Saturday and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports
Radio and in the iHeartRadio app. I think we just
learned something about the show. We learned that we are
a We're let's just think a little bit like we
just learned that if we're all out on a yacht
together and some one of our teammates is thinking, Buck
and I are going to look at each other and
we're gonna say, oh, Martin's sinking right now, neither of
us is gonna move. We're probably the way I envision it.

(01:05:34):
We're on below decks, we're on a super yacht. We
both see that Martins falling off board, we both see
that he is struggling in the water, and Buck and
I look at each other and say, hey, Martin's sinking
right now, and then we're like yeah, and then you
take a little sip of your drink and you just
stand there and you're like, we should get somebody. That's
what I learned about us, Buck. We're not great teammates for.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
No, but I've never been a good teammate for anybody.
It's very I mean lesson.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
It was just allowed, like if you're just if you
just come out and you're like yeah, no, no, no, no,
I get this, like I'm just not a good teammate.
Like do we then all accept it? Can? Is that
the way this works? Even? Like do we just accept someone? I?

Speaker 7 (01:06:13):
Yeah, yeah we do? We do we accept it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Well? Should ask Mary? That's what I just learned. Luca.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
On my side, every time I call for a fine,
I feel like I feel like I've got a pretty
good for somebody who's not a bad or not a
good teammate.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
I seem to have a lot of support around this
situation spoken.

Speaker 8 (01:06:33):
I mean, it's like it's about you know, I'm not
going Now that you vocalized it, I feel like that's
gonna be the turning point.

Speaker 7 (01:06:42):
Yeah, honestly, honestly, you can a fine for that.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
You're to lose it all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
No, No, he's he's the bad boy in this boy man,
there's no doubt about it. Like he's bad.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
I'm the most self aware one add any of us.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
That is.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
See, this is the thing that people like to do
when they like I have a buddy that I will
say this closely so that I don't get fined. He
was an unintentional a hole. That's the best way I
can say that, right, Like, just unintentionally, and he was
just like, Oh, that's just who I am. I've decided
that Buck has decided that by saying that he's self aware,

(01:07:18):
he thinks that means he can say or do whatever
he wants because that's part of him being self aware.
That still kind of makes you the jerk in the
like in the in the in the stack. You're you're
still kind of the jerk in the in the stack there, buddy.

Speaker 5 (01:07:30):
That's right.

Speaker 6 (01:07:31):
But I've told everybody, told everybody, as long as I'm
telling you on the front end that I'm going to
behave like a jerk. You choose whether you can accept
that behavior or not.

Speaker 1 (01:07:41):
And most people I love this Luca can behave however
he wants because he's a very rich Man today he
gets the deal. I think the most interesting part of
this to me, and we talked a little early about
what's it means for Lebron in the future. I don't
think it means anything for Lebron because I think the
Lakers are moving forward, so they're going to have another
year with Lebron, then they're going to figure it out.
Where this arts to get interesting is how do you

(01:08:02):
build around Luca and what's the path for the Lakers?
Because I'll ask the same question about Luca that I
asked when the Lakers acquired Lebron, and my question at
the time was what would Lebron have to accomplish as
a Laker to be an all time great Laker? Not
an all time great player, but an all time great Laker.
When you think of the bar of super stardom for
the Lakers, it is so wildly high. Luca just got

(01:08:25):
that money, he's got that the body. He looks like
he's taking care of himself. But I think Buck we
have to understand that now there's just a much different
standard to the way everything he will do moving forward
will be judged. Because the Lakers have had the level
of superstar, the level of franchise holder, the level of
like at List, they can hold the world up on
their shoulders. That's how they've built greatness for this team

(01:08:46):
over and over and over again. And it will be
expected that Luca can do that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:52):
And I think he can, right.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
I mean, yes, they went to the finals and they
came up short in Dallas with him as the primary
piece of that team, but he gave them an opportunity
to compete in the finals. There's not a lot of
other things. I mean, there's not a lot of other
things about that Mavericks team that made it that you
would point to and say, no, that definitively.

Speaker 5 (01:09:13):
Obviously, it's a team effort, it's a team game.

Speaker 6 (01:09:15):
But basketball, an individual can will you to a win
in that sport more than any other team sport. And
I think Luca and the MAVs when they did make
their finals appearance a couple of years ago, were a
good case in point in that I do think that
they have more pieces around him in Los Angeles than
they did in Dallas at the time. You've got DeAndre

(01:09:36):
Ayt and you've got market. I mean, Marcus Smart is
not who I would necessarily cite, but Marcus smart is there,
Ruy Hachimura, Maxi Kleeber all people who were in attendance
at his press conference to announce the extension, and then
of course Lebron at an advanced stage, is still a
high level basketball player. Like I do think that they
are capable of Luca being the one who they lean

(01:09:56):
on the most, because that roster doesn't necessarily indicate to
me that they're going to have to lean on him
so heavily as he was in Dallas. The expectation for
him in Dallas, I think was higher because he's the guy,
and so they want him to be even more of
a guy than he actually is. When he's the most
efficient offensive player, maybe not the most efficient offensive player
but one of the most gifted offensive players going in

(01:10:17):
the modern NBA right now. So they're looking around and
being like, no, we need more out of you. You
need to take better care of yourself, you need to
do more. You need to be the truck to our trailer,
because we're going to hitch a bunch of things to
you and you're going to have to drag this thing along.
And maybe that's still going to end up being the
thought process in Los Angeles, but I just feel like
his load is a little lighter in La despite the

(01:10:38):
heightened expectations externally than they were in Dallas, when that
organization is putting a hell of a lot more pressure
on him to do the heavy lifting.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
There's a part of this where, to be honest, I
don't even care if the Lakers are a championship caliber
team this year. I care the most because the Lakers
made this. This entire move was predicated on the thought
process of we are going to build for the Lakers,
for the next generation, for the next ten years, whatever
that is. That's why you go out and you get

(01:11:07):
Luca in this situation. So to me, it's no longer
about a how do we maximize Like in the last
several years, everything has been how do we get the
most out of Lebron so we win a championship right now?
Because you've understood where Lebron was in the journey of
his career, I think what we have to understand at
this point is that the Lakers are no longer playing
a short term game. The Lakers are now playing a

(01:11:29):
long term game. So to me, whatever they have to
do to gut this year, get rid of this year,
move through this year. I don't care about this year.
I care about the flexibility they're going to be able
to give themselves and how they continue to build around
Luca so that for the next two, three, four, five,
six years they are in a situation where they get
the best out of that player. Because that's what He's

(01:11:51):
not going to be judged by a championship this year.
He's going to be judged by a championship every year
for the next eight years.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
Look at that we agreed on something. You know what
else we can agree on. It's time for the single
greatest game show in the history of all of sports
stock radio. It's gonna go off the rails. Would you
rather coming up next? East Buck Rising? I'm Jason Fitz.
We're hanging out with you on a Fox Sports Saturday
on Fire and I can't promise anything. It's Bucking Fits
on Fox Sports Radio. He's Buck Rising. I'm Jason Fitz.

(01:12:23):
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(01:12:46):
and every single show the same way. With the single
greatest game show in the history of sports stalk radio,
It's time for would you rather? Oh, I didn't let
I didn't let let Buck yell. I didn't let Buck yell.
What the hell? We'll give it another shop, We'll give
you another shot. You're ready bout you?

Speaker 5 (01:13:06):
Okay, want your pity? Would you rather?

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Here's the thing?

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
In on a fat a fat end of a baseball
bat and spin fitsy.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Okay, here's the thing. I'm just you know what, My
mind's in a couple of different places, like I'm wondering
right now, would you rather co host a radio show
with Buck Rising on Fox Sports Radio or go play
in front of thousands of people with a little big town.

Speaker 5 (01:13:24):
I don't know, I don't know, thousand six thousand. Don't
get cute.

Speaker 7 (01:13:29):
You are bragging.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Oh it's not even not even a humble brag. It's
just a straight brag. Crowd's gonna be yelling for me
later or not for Buck? Go ahead, Ian's gonna give us,
So would you rather question? We'll figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
I can't stand him, all right?

Speaker 8 (01:13:43):
And when when you guys build in for Cavino and Rich.
We had to take a brief hiatus with the wheel,
but the wheel is back, so we're now niting it
again to pick our would you rather question? Yeah, let's
go ahead and give it a spin for the first one.

Speaker 5 (01:13:54):
Wait, is there a wheelband on Covino and Rich? What happened?

Speaker 7 (01:13:57):
Yeah, they don't allow them on that show. No wheels, Yeah,
no wheels all lot. It's actually really weird.

Speaker 5 (01:14:02):
But that's crazy. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:14:03):
So the first one here that it landed on is
would you rather have socks that scream quietly when they
get wet or a refrigerator that judges your food choices
in your mother's voice?

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
Oh, the refrigerator.

Speaker 6 (01:14:15):
I would be in so much better shape if the
refrigerator was judging me, especially. I mean, you know, I
love my mother very much, but her name is Karen,
and so a refrigerator with the voice of an actual
Karen would diminishing me as I reached for that. You
know that those leftover buffalo chicken nachos that I didn't
even need to order the first time, Like that, that

(01:14:37):
would keep me in check.

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
I am pro that also screaming wet socks. Is there
anything that sounds worse?

Speaker 1 (01:14:42):
No, I don't want screaming wet socks. But I can't
tell you this, like I've no loss for my mother.
I've never hidden that on radio. I've always been very
open about the lack of relationship I have with my parents.
But the one funny thing about my mom with this
is that when my mom got mad at you, like
to always, the first thing she goes to is the
one line you'd know, say so if you know, like
if you're a weight sensitive person, you're really sensitive about

(01:15:03):
your weight. The first thing my mom would say if
she gets mad is that, you know. She'd be like, hey,
you fat f word, why didn't you go ahead and
put the food down? And then she'd start yelling at you. So,
I mean, if I open up the fridge, it wouldn't
just be like, hey, don't get that extra egg. It
would be like you fat ass o b why you know? So? Look,
you're right, man, I would have absolutely, oh.

Speaker 7 (01:15:23):
Yeah, worse than the average fits. I feel like for
your fridge would.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Be Yeah, that would that that fridge would come with
the level of just like rip your head out with it.
But you know what, I would be in the best
shape of my life, like there's no doubt about it.
Like there's no doubt about it. So yeah, I take that.
I take You know. The only way I want to
hear from Pam is if it's from my refrigerator keeping
me in shape. Go ahead, Pam and Karen good God, yeah, yeah,
says so much.

Speaker 8 (01:15:47):
Well, the thing, if you're playing the odds, you don't
have wet socks that frequently, so it's like every time
you open the refrigerator there's this happening, or it's every
time your socks get wet.

Speaker 5 (01:15:56):
They should Nobody sweat. Like when I go work out,
I sweat so much that your socks get sweaty.

Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
Yeah, well I buy this, the sweat wicking socks so
that they're not so disgusting.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
But yeah, I mean, I'm I'm six two two ten.
I sweat. It's what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
I mean, I don't think weight has to do with
the fact that you sweat. Like I I go work
I work hard at the gym, and when I take
my my socks off their dry as a bone.

Speaker 5 (01:16:21):
Like sweating is healthy. You're you will not tell me otherwise?

Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Next?

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
All right?

Speaker 7 (01:16:26):
Next spinning the wheel?

Speaker 5 (01:16:28):
Put the bagel down, you fat bleep.

Speaker 8 (01:16:34):
Would you rather be required to salute every squirrel you pass?
Or have your footsteps make random cartoon sound effects when
you walk?

Speaker 5 (01:16:43):
What is it with mean and feet? What do you rex?

Speaker 8 (01:16:44):
Ryan relaxed like it's actually want that GPT So I'm
actually I was wondering that myself.

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
Why is it so many feet?

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
I mean, I want, I want to salute squirrels all day,
but like, like that just seems like saluting every random
squirrel that comes by is a bit of a pain
in the butt. But I can at least control, Like, hey,
maybe I go inside and I don't have to deal
with squirrels. If everywhere I ever walk, my shoes make
those noises, I don't want that like that. You you
got to walk everywhere that you go.

Speaker 6 (01:17:11):
There's nothing that would be more like that would make
me more self conscious than my feet making noises that
I couldn't control.

Speaker 5 (01:17:17):
I will salute the squirrel.

Speaker 1 (01:17:18):
Big ass sweaty feet making all.

Speaker 5 (01:17:19):
Those noises go twelve and a half baby.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Oh congratulations, all right, go ahead, and to save us
Ian we're trying to get fired to to save us,
all right, spinning the wheel, I can't help if you
have small feet, sufficiently average feet sufficiently average.

Speaker 5 (01:17:33):
Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 8 (01:17:34):
Would you rather be followed by a slow moving swarm
of harmless butterflies at all times? Or have one of
your nostrils narrate your dreams every morning?

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
Be kind of nice to like find out what you
dreamed about.

Speaker 5 (01:17:49):
No, I don't.

Speaker 7 (01:17:50):
A lot of the time you don't remember, right, So
I don't was telling you I had.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
A dream or like at least a dream that I
remembered on what was that Wednesday or two night for
the first time I think in fifteen years? Like that
doesn't that so? Maybe? But like I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
I don't want to know what's going on in my
head while I'm asleep. That's the only piece I get
from what's going on in my head A given that
any given moment that in therapy. So give me the
butterflies that sound that sounds magical, also very much like
the little piano riff that I like to follow me
around that Mary has two I like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
To think of things in the worst case scenario. So like,
if perhaps I've taken a few too many edibles and
I'm walking and there's a swarm of butterfly behind me,
I think that's a beautiful thing. Like I'm walking down
the street, seems seems beautiful. They can't attack you.

Speaker 7 (01:18:33):
Try to horrifying, I know, if you've taken too many edibles.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
No, what's mortifying is the thought of my nostril trying
to actually like tell me anything, like how does that work?
Doesn't my nostril get a little mouth on it or
does it just flop out in? And I don't know.
Like that just feels like if I've also the worst
one too many editors. Well, if I've had one too
many edibles, that's gonna get really weird really quickly. So
I'll take the butterflies.

Speaker 5 (01:18:56):
Beh me.

Speaker 7 (01:18:56):
All right, we got time for one more. Let's spin
the wheel here.

Speaker 8 (01:19:00):
Okay, would you rather have to name every object you
touch out loud in a dramatic tone or speak only
in pirate slang?

Speaker 11 (01:19:08):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
Name every object I touch in dramatic tone?

Speaker 7 (01:19:11):
I just said for a radio host to be talking
pirate slang?

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Yeah, I can't I can't r mate everything.

Speaker 5 (01:19:19):
I'll go full Steve the Pirate.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Will you really would you wear like a little eye patch?
Sure right, I won't do that in front of thousands
of people, where I'll be uh. Stick to Fox Sports
Radio all night. Thanks for hanging out with us.

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