Jason Martin & Arnie Spanier Set the Stage for Game 7 of the NBA Finals, Talk Shedeur's Speeding Ticket & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello, everybody, welcome in. It is Fox Sports Saturday here
on Fox Sports Radio. His name is Arnie Spanier. In
for Aaron Torres, who has the weekend off, I am
Jason Martin. You can find him at Stinking Genius one.
Is that writers? It just stinking genius.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Steink and Genius one. And you could thank our producer
for me being here today.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Okay, I'm glad that you're here. I'm glad that we
don't have to deal with Stinking Genius two or three
or four or five years.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Well, I wasn't gonna be here, but my producer of
eight years, Ryan Burschinger, didn't invite me to his wedding
this weekend, so I had some free time, so I
figure I might as well fill in, Like, can you
believe why not invite me at least get the free present.
But he was too afraid I'd show up into his wedding,
so he said forget about it.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Well, congrats to Bersh. You know he's been my producer
in the past as well. Just an awesome guy, so
a great time for him. Certainly, you can follow me
at j mart Radio if you want. We would be
remiss before jumping into what's hopefully going to be a
nice escape talking about things that ultimately don't matter a

(01:12):
whole heck of a lot to just say that, you know,
what's happening in the world is happening in the world,
and we are certainly cognizant of what's taking place tonight,
and I can speak it's certainly for myself and say
that I'm My prayers are with those that are overseas
right now and those that have families that are overseas

(01:33):
right now, and certainly, just may God be overall that's
going on right now. Again, we are going to try
and take you somewhere else over the next three hours
and talk about sports and talk about some fun stuff,
but certainly it's it's I've been watching for the last
couple of hours, as have probably most of the people
listening tonight, So it's good to it's good to be

(01:55):
here now. And you know, I was thinking I was
just going to be all thinking games all night long,
and then you know, Game seven got kind of put
back into its proper location. But now we can go
right back to it and talk about it, because it
is going to be a really special thing that happens
tomorrow night for only the fourth time in three decades,

(02:18):
and this one's gonna be hard for me as a thunderfan.
I have skin in this Game seven. I haven't had
skin in a Game seven in a while. The last
one that I can like fully remember at least was
the Braves and the Twins, and that's not one that
I ever want to remember because that was the great
Jack Morris game where they won one to nothing, came

(02:39):
back from a three to two deficit, did the Twins
to win that World Series back in nineteen ninety. So
you know, you go back to all of that. But
Game seven's great, man, and this is the NBA Finals,
So here we go.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah, Jason, you know, first of all, as you mentioned,
fourth time in the last thirty years, first since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Yeah, but when I.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Saw those I like, wait, don't we go to Game
seven every year? It seems like there's it just feels like,
you know, every series goes far. But I'm excited about it.
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Just to back up a little bit, I've not been
excited about the series so far. And you know, I've
gone back and forth with Chris Plank, who obviously is
fully invested because he lives down there in Oklahoma. But
as I told Chris, and I'm a basketball snob, you
have two small markets. You didn't give me any large markets.

(03:31):
You didn't give me that. You aren't right, No, I
understand that, And we can go back and forth on that.
You didn't give me any villains. You didn't, as far
as I'm concerned, give me any real storylines here in
the ratings warlow to start things off. I'm curious to
see how they'll be for this game seven. And now
you've lost me in a little bit of momentum with

(03:52):
the three day rest there, which I understand because you
have to travel. I think we should go back to
the two three two. But other wise, you know, I'm
in all for the game seven now, but I feel
like it's been like a year and a half since
we've played Game six. In any momentum that was coming
off Game six certainly is not gonna show up for

(04:12):
a Game seven, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah, although this series has been one where the momentum
has been hard to kind of spot, that's true, right,
because it really hasn't mattered from game to game the
way that it's the way that it's played out. And look,
and you say this anytime you get to a game seven.
The reason why you play the regular season hard, the
reason why you compete hard in the regular season is

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so and you hope it doesn't get to this, but
if it gets to a game seven, it's in your gym.
And that's what Oklahoma City does have in their favor. However,
the Pacers have made a real habit, especially this year,
but even over the last couple of years, of doing
the things that no one thinks they can do, not

(04:57):
even the idea that they shouldn't do it, because I
think that's kind of a ridiculous point, but no one
believes that they should be doing the things that they
continually do. I would say that I am not particularly
comfortable right now because that's the one team and when
you get to game seven, all bets are off too,

(05:18):
Like it's at that point it's it's a winner take all.
It's one night, maybe they shoot the lights out and
your guys don't, and then it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
In the game numbers, team does well do you have
game seven numbers?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
What do they win?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Like seventy five percent of the time or something like that.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Something. Yeah they do well. Yeah, I mean it's they
should win, right because it's their role players. Like the
reason why you want it in your gym is because
it sounds. It sounds crazy, but the lighting you're familiar
with it. The like temperature in the building, you're familiar
with it. You know how it's going to sound in
both your ears. Like everything is just a whole lot
more comfortable. There's something like you go on vacation, You're

(05:58):
in this great hotel, but there is this feeling of man,
my own bed, and that's kind of how it feels
going back to your place. The Pacers have won on
the road in New York, they've won on the road
in Oklahoma City. They did what they did to open
this postseason of course as well, so they're not going
to be intimidated here. The question is are their role

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players going to show up on the road, because that's
usually the difference maker, is the B plus guy, the
B minus guys, the guys that aren't going to show
up every single night. They're the ones that make the
shots at home, and I think that's the biggest thing.
And of course the crowd gets into it as well,
like you Thunder get out to a big lead and

(06:40):
the crowd is drowning out, and Rick Carlisle can't hear
himself think that could be a long night for the Pacers.

Speaker 3 (06:46):
Let me ask you a question, when is the ideal
day and time of the game as a fan and
as a money maker for the NBA? Obviously Sunday. I
thought Sunday afternoon would be the best time to air
an NBA game number seven. It would get you the
highest ratings and certainly bring in the most eyes if

(07:08):
it was earlier. Now you're putting it a little bit late.
As for just being a fan, I would have loved
for it to been tonight, you know, Saturday night, eight
o'clock eastern, eight thirty eastern. Everybody's up late, it's a weekend,
and you know, you get to enjoy it. I think
it would have been fun, more fun for the fans
to have it tonight. But I understand why they have
it Sunday, Sunday night. I didn't know that's better ratings

(07:30):
wise than like a Sunday afternoon or something.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
You know. Yeah, so I think from a TV perspective, right, yeah,
especially because of when the NBA Finals are played, we're
in summertime right right, Saturday evening is a harder that's
a harder sell because a lot of people are out,
a lot of that's the day that you're on vacation.
If you're coming back, you're gonna come back on Sunday.
You're not going to come back on Saturday. Sure, maybe

(07:54):
you have games in the evenings yourself. There's just a
lot of different attention that's that's happening that maybe draws
you away from a TV Sunday afternoon. I mean, that's
an interesting argument, but again, Sunday's kind it's a different day.
I guess maybe I've just gotten used to the fact
that it's been on Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
You just have a lot of Sunday early Sunday one o'clock.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, I remember, like I do remember some big time
games like that the famous Lakers Kings game. Was it
like four in the afternoon on the East Coast or
something like that. But I think generally, like just from
a TV perspective, we know Thursday night was the night
when for most of our lives. And the reason why
was not necessarily I mean, yes, you had cheers and

(08:40):
you had all the heavy hitters, there. But there was
a reason why you had them there. It's because movies
came out on Friday, and so the production companies, the
giant the movie companies would actually pay big time ad
rates to have their movies advertised Onday nights, and so

(09:01):
in order to make that even more beneficial, television networks
would put their biggest shows on Thursday so that they
could guarantee high ratings, so they could charge even more
for the ad dollars. Oh you want people to see
your Batman trailer, It's going to cost you. And so
Thursday was a big time night. Sunday night became a

(09:22):
big time night because of I would argue because of
the Sopranos, but I mean there's been a lot of things,
but I think the Sopranos kind of changed it around.
I mean, yes, for a long time, you had murder
she wrote, and you had You've still got sixty minutes.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Though if we went back to the two three two,
we wouldn't be having all these extra days off. Then
we'd have to adjust it and we wouldn't have a
Game seven on the Sunday.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Well yeah, I mean you could do it that way,
but there have even been I mean the NBA is weird.
They still take the extra day sometimes, especially in the
early rounds of the playoffs. I'm with you. I mean
I would like it to be a little bit tighter
in how it is all done, not because I need
it over faster, but because it does. There's this story

(10:08):
that's told within a playoff series, and when there's so
much time between it, it's like it can be out
of sight, out of mind, and then I have to
find my way back into it. Where if this had
been Thursday and we were sitting here right now and
this game had just ended or it was about to end,
you know, I feel like it would it would feel

(10:28):
like this whole thing has sort of happened, not quickly,
but you had just enough time to excel on Friday
and get excited to watch it again on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
So I think at that extra day arrest too, Hali
Burton can certainly yes the extra day, so everybody's a
little bit healthier, which is what you want when it's
all said and done.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Though, yeah, that's one hundred percent tru So I mean
there's there's there's reasons both ways, and I think ultimately
you want everybody as healthy as possible. In a game seven. Absolutely, Like,
even as a thunderfan, I want them full strength, and
you know, I want to see them, you know, go
out there and ball out as best they can and
just come up short. But that's I think that that

(11:05):
most of us would feel that way, and so I
think that's you're probably going to get the best chance
at that surprise. You're not going to the game. Drive
on down, go to the game. Yeah, that drive on down. Yeah,
I've got two kids.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
That's the longer.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
I don't even want to I don't even want to
lay out the schedule that I'm were rolling with just
over this week alone.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
But but think it's can't be that expensive, like the
ARFA was in LA or New York or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean that's as easy take, aren't he. That's
an easy take. It's also an accurate take, especially when
the NBA. The NBA has done such a poor job
in recent years, especially of you know, trying to build
up some of these smaller markets to at least make
them more viable, like they didn't do it, Like we've

(11:52):
got the Pacers and the Thunder. But the biggest story
of the week was the Lakers sale. I totally dwarf
what was happening in the NBA Finals, whether you like
the games or not. And you know, you heard Adam
Silver on Dan Patrick a couple of weeks ago saying
he was lamenting. He was like, I'm a little jealous
of the NFL. You know, they got people caring about

(12:14):
the packers and all this stuff, like right, because they
make them care. They actually put them on television and
they talk about their players and they make them superstars.
There is a lot of talent and a lot of
things to like about this series, But you are tying
both hands behind your back because you already have the
uphill climb of it being two small markets, and you've

(12:35):
done nothing to make them feel special, including having to
put fake logos on the floor. Well after being shamed
into it right the beginning.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Now they did change it though, they added the introduction
to remember they were first time how many years? So
I'm not even sure why why did they take that away?
I think it was like ten years ago. I'm not
even sure why they took it away to begin with.
But I thought that, you know, you might be right.
I thought that was a good touchdown. You're right, your

(13:04):
hundred percent right.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Probably, Yeah, I mean, if it's not an AD, it's
it's to give Steven a another thirty seconds or or
whatever in a pregame because we all need that. Yeah,
I mean the NBA don't. The NBA almost had to
be like dragged into making this seem like it should matter.
And now you have a Game seven and you're probably
through in the NBA officer, you're like, why couldn't it

(13:27):
be Nixon Lakers? Why couldn't it be Celtics and Lakers
or Celtics and Nuggets, even because at least we've done
a little bit of build up of Jolkic over the
last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
There's no competition here, so they really do the hell,
there's nothing to go against them. You can't even give
me baseball or anything else. They they should be rocket.
I wonder that many people who haven't really paid that
much attention or maybe casually been watching it are going
to definitely tune in for a Game seven on Sunday
night if it's a musty TV for everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
I mean a lot of people, even if they don't
watch sports here game and we'll tune in. At least
they'll like, all right, let's see what's going on. Like
they may not watch four quarters of basketball and you know,
invite a bunch of people over, but they will from
time to time kind of check in on what's happening.
So it'll be curious.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
I'll be you're right about the Lakers story. Is dwarfs
the game? That's crazy, you know, Yeah, it's huge.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
And we're gonna have Mark Medina on after the break
and he's going to I was gonna ask him, be like,
tell me what's happening. What are you thinking about this
Lakers story? Because and you too, aren't he and I
do want to get your opinion on it too, because
you guys have both lived out there. Oh yeah, you've
covered that team. Know that you know that area a
whole lot better than I do here in Nashville, and
I've never I've only visited the West Coast a couple

(14:41):
of times in my life. I want you to tell
me what I need to know about this story. I
think that's the best way to approach it. So we'll
talk to Mark Medina. We'll get his thoughts on the finals.
I mean, we got the draft of course coming up,
and whatever's gonna happen with Kevin Durant and Giannis and
everything else, and of course the Baker sale. And I
got to ask him if he thinks championship rings actually matter,

(15:05):
because there is a star out there who is really,
really adamant all of a sudden that they shouldn't matter.
And we all to throw it Lebron.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
For the first It doesn't matter all of a sudden
in his world. But you know, if he had a
few more rings, then it makes all the difference.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
In the world, you know, yes, exactly, So we will
we will take him to task a little bit later on,
but Mark Medina will join us after the break. He's
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Speaker 4 (15:35):
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Speaker 2 (15:46):
Live Game seven tomorrow evening thunder Pacers. We'll have Mark
Medina join us here in just a few minutes our
NBA Insider to break it all down. Get y'all set
for the game as well as the draft and anything NBA,
because boy, it's all over the map right now with

(16:07):
the Lakers sale and everything else.

Speaker 3 (16:09):
But first, that was a shocker.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
It definitely was, and that valuation is something else. But
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(16:33):
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for the first time this evening, we go to the
smartest of the three of us, or at least smarter
than you. ARENI here?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
That simple?

Speaker 6 (16:45):
Hello Joe, happy to hear Alredye, Spin, you're here now.
You're still in your regular slot tomorrow night.

Speaker 5 (16:52):
Are you not?

Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
I am.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
I'm the feeling able to That's all I have.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
I have seen on the schedule.

Speaker 6 (16:59):
You're supposed to be filling in Friday night in this
slot right next to week.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, don't get me confused. Yes I am. I'm supposed
to be filling in with Mike harm No, yeah, with Mike.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
You know what happens after you guys get off the air. No,
I'm in for playing.

Speaker 3 (17:14):
Oh wow, so we're all over the place.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Yes, maybe the NBA Finals will be over by.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Then, mate, Maybe not certain of that.

Speaker 6 (17:22):
That Game seven is Sunday, Indiana and Oklahoma City, and
you mentioned it. Overall, the home team and a Finals
Game seven is fifteen and four. The thunder at home
during this postseason ten and two, and in fact, Okase
has yet to lose the turnover battle at home in
this postseason. The NBA Draft starts Wednesday. WNBA wins for

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Minnesota and Phoenix. The College World Series Finals started tonight,
LSU a one nothing winner against Coastal Carolina had won
twenty six in a row. It's the best of three series.
UFC fighter John Jones retired and Tommy Fleetwood leads the
travel by three strokes. We've got four late ballgames in
the major leagues. It's the Nationals two to one over

(18:06):
the Dodgers right now in the bottom of the fifth
in LA. Home runs on back to back pitches in
the fourth for the Nats, including from James Wood, a
rookie's having quite a season of two to eighty batting
average and a lot of long homers. He's up to
twenty one homers in the first half of the season.
Andy pajes Is answered for La with a long ball
of his own to get the Dodgers on the board.

(18:27):
Piz was sixteen homers this year. This is a guy
who was batting a month into this season batting one
sixty and he is just as hot as hot get
rights as hot gets right now. Guardian's up four to
nothing at the A's in the top of the fifth
in Anaheim. Angels at the seventh inning stretch leads seven
to one over Houston Diamondbacks in the top of the
ninth are ahead at Colorado five to three. If the

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Rockies lose, their record will be seventeen and sixty. San
Diego beat the Royals five to one, Fernando Testis Junior
a three run homer. San Francisco led three nothing in
the ninth and beat Boston three to two. Rafael Devers
exit Boston with a two run homer and for most
of the country on Fox TV tonight, the Mets ended
a seven game losing streak, winning eleven to four at Philadelphia.

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The team hit a record tying seven solo homers and
the amazing stat one of those from Francisco Lindor Win
Lindor homers. The Mets have won twenty eight straight games
won the regular season.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
The record is.

Speaker 6 (19:27):
Twenty nine straight when any particular player homers, and that
goes back to Carl Ferrillo Brooklyn Dodgers in the early fifty.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Oh my goodness, how was he?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
How was he? Yarnie, you're probably tell us I do
I touched it about his career.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
I do know. The name sounds familiar, that's for sure.

Speaker 6 (19:45):
I know, yeah, because every other year the Dodgers were
in the World Series losing to the Yankees back then.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:50):
This year's Yankees beat Baltimore nine nothing today in the
winning pitcher Clark Schmidt through seven no hit innings. Saint
Louis with a fifth straight win and eleven inncome back
over the Red six to five. The Cubs beat Seattle
ten to seven. Cal Rowley of the Mariners a thirtieth
homer of his season. Wins for Atlanta and Texas, wins
for Tampa Bay and Milwaukee, which won nine nothing at Minnesota.

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A reminder not only Game seven of the Finals on Sunday,
but will the road team actually win? It doesn't seem
like it, but this series hasn't followed what you know
on paper. This postseason, the Pacers do you have a
winning record on the road seven and four again, the
Thunder are ten and two at home.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve. We appreciate it. We
chatting plenty more with Steve. Throughout the course of the program.
He mentioned that Rockies record Arnie I said this to
Torres last week. I was like, can you imagine being
seventeen and sixty in a sport with one hundred and
sixty two games and know when you still have like
ninety games to play, like you're done, the season's over,

(20:54):
it's June twenty first, but you still got two more
months of baseball, two plus months of baseball, Like, oh,
just demoralizing. Is it's come to work every day knowing
you're not gonna get out of the hole, and it's
just like we're bad, We're not getting any better. Like
that's just got to be missing.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
I would I would think the same thing. But there
was a quote by one of the longtime met players
that went through the year where they had the most losses. Yeah,
and they asked them about it many years later, many
years and he goes, I wouldn't have missed it for
the world, but I wouldn't want to do it again. So,
you know, kind of kind of bittersweet, I guess is
what he was saying.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Would Well, look, you're still a major league ball player. True,
I mean, you're still living a pretty charm life when
it comes to that side of things, and maybe you're
still having fun and maybe at some point you're just
laughing about it closed doors, Like at some point it's like, yeah,
we understand cards. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. So I don't

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know if we've got Mark yet or not, but.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
You know, I have a story about the Lakers story
real quick, since we don't have Mark. The story that
a lot of people may not know because I went
to school with Genie. I don't know if I ever
told you this story. I went to Pacific Palisades High
School and I was sitting with my basketball coach and
it was just him and I talking, and Genie actually
walked by, and they didn't own the Lakers.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
At the time.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Genie was just Genie to me, and the coach said
to Genie, hey, did your dad buy the Indiana Pacers?
And I'm listening to this, I go what and she goes, no,
he's actually saving his money for the Lakers. And that's
where they go, who's your dad, Genie, that's gonna go
buy the Lakers? So you know, I was kind of razziger,
But his first one was he wanted to buy the Pacers.

(22:39):
That was his first thought. That was the one that
he could have bought, but backed off from it and
decided to buy the Lakers. From what I understand, they
were going to deny the sale. The other owners were
going to deny the sale to the Lakers. They were
afraid doctor Buss didn't have enough money. He only bought
the Lakers for like sixty seven million dollar or something

(23:00):
to that effect. Do you know who stepped up and
talked out his behalf was none other than Donald Sterling.
Interesting and Mark jordian is, but Donald Sterling is the
one that said, hey, if he doesn't make good on anything,
I'll cover him. And they made the thing go through.
So that's why he got it.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
So we bring in our MBA insider, Mark Medena. Mark,
any truth to the rumor that you actually offered nine
bill and you were almost to the finish line with
that thing until that group rolled in with the extra
mill and or the extra bill rather, and you just
couldn't quite handle.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
It, you know what, I can either confirm nor deny it.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
So so obviously one of the boar of governors is
up for a vote with it. Yeah, so we're gonna
talk about the finals, but obviously, honestly, the biggest story
of the week was that Lakers sale. And I told
Arnie I was just like, look, I live on the
East Coast. I've only visited the West Coast a couple
of times in my life. Tell me how big this is.
Tell me your thoughts on this as somebody that has

(24:00):
covered and watched this team. So I'll ask you the
same question, Mark, tell me your thoughts as you saw
this go down and what this means.

Speaker 5 (24:07):
Well, to your point, yes, it is the biggest story
in the NBA because it's the Lakers, because there's so
much you know, long term impact on what this means.
And also it's a very interesting twist with the bus
family because the Bus family and Jeanie Bus Note most notably,
was always adamant that this is always going to say
in the family, they weren't going to sell. I remember

(24:28):
staying in her office in twenty fifteen, as the Lakers
were going through you know, their worst stretching franchise history,
Miss Flotoffs appearances, kulbe Brian's going through injuries, They're going
through coaching changes, They're going through you know, front office
dynamics and disagreements with you know, she and her brother Jim,
and you know, I asked her point blank if there's

(24:49):
any scenario where the family would sell, and she mentioned,
you know, her late dad, Jerry Buss to explain why
the reason would be no, And she said, he worked
very hard to be in this position so that our
family could keep this team forever. We're committed to doing
that now, as we've learned nothing in life lasts forever.
But ten years later, there's so much that has changed

(25:13):
that dynamic. You know, Philip Danshutz sold his twenty seven
percent share to Mark Walter in twenty twenty one. That
kind of put him inside to maneuver. He has a
relationship with Jenie Buss already, so there's a familiarity trust.
The Bus family sees how lucrative, you know, teams like

(25:33):
the Dallas Mavericks and the Boston Celics are getting and
so they know that it's going to be worth even
more because the Lakers they get Luka Doncic in this
trade a few months ago. And then I think the
other thing is they're just mindful that now is probably
the best time to cash out on all these earnings
because they're the only ones inheriting the money they can't

(25:55):
pass along to their errors. And number two, so we've
seen today's NBA as owners get wealthier and wealthier, the
price that pay takes to run an MBA operation is
a lot more expensive. And the Bus family, they're not
crime poverty, but this is their only source of income
and that's a losing battle, so to speak. Again, some
of these other owners that have a lot of other

(26:17):
businesses besides an NBA franchise. So you add up all
those things together and it completely makes sense why this
previously unprecedented news actually happened.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
No, you're one hundred percent right on that. Also, you
ring up the disagreements between Genie and Jimmy. If they
were more together on the forefront, I mean, more in unity,
do you think this was still would have happened or
because they were fighting so much, I'll say it like that,
that's why the sale went down.

Speaker 7 (26:47):
No.

Speaker 5 (26:47):
I think that's part of their story, but I don't
think that has anything to do with this here. I mean,
it went for a majority vote. For what it's worth.
You know, I've talked to Genie as recently as two
years ago, and she was very emphatic that they've reconciled.
I think it was telling that in that Hulu docu
series about the Lakers that other family members, specifically Jim

(27:09):
and Johnny, were part of the project, and that in
of itself kind of symbolized that things have falled. Because
in twenty seventeen, shortly after Jeanie fired Jim and removed
him from the front office, they tried to remove her
as governor and put it up for a vote, and
she blocked that through a corroler. Obviously that wasn't pretty.

(27:32):
But as far as family members, they're on speaking terms.
They've reconciled and things are great on that front. So
that is part of the history here as far as
the ups and downs of the franchise, but I don't
think that necessarily had anything to do with what happened
this week.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
So another thing that is happening is the NBA Finals
Game seven. Before we break the game, down. Do you
think the NBA has blown this in any way when
it comes to trying to make like it's a Game seven, Yes,
but it seemed like they were behind on on the logos.
They've been kind of dogged out for all this stuff,
and maybe they've been trying to play catch up a little.
But this this should feel bigger to me than maybe

(28:13):
it does.

Speaker 5 (28:14):
Yeah, I agree with you. I mean they should have
already had the logos actually on the court, not transfixed
on television. It should have required social media pressure to
do that. There's no way around it. When you have
traditional dynasties with you know, more established NBA stars, the
ratings are going to be higher. But I would say

(28:36):
if you're a basketball fan, it's everything that you've wanted
as far as quality of play in the series, because
both teams are very balanced, both have star power. There
have been some blowouts, technically Game two, Game six. I
think they're still intrigue because Game two, you know, the
thunder were coming off the game one upsite, Tyre's Halbert
and game winner. How they respond. Game six, the Pacers

(28:58):
throw the thunder out, but that was elimination game. As
well as questions on Tyres Halburn's health. So I think
when you go down the line from a pure basketball standpoint,
this NBA Finals has everything you want. You have that
game when you show with Tyres, you have, you know,
some epic clutch play from both star players Sga and Tyree's.
You have X factor type players, whether it's Tyre's or

(29:21):
whether it's Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell, Jay Owen Williams. You know,
there's a lot of coaching adjustments. There's physicality, there's unpredictable
nature of what's going to happen game to game. There's
an injury with an injury with Tyres Alburn and then
he overcomes it. Those are things you want in NBA Finals,
but it does lack something important, more familiar stars like

(29:43):
Lebron James, Steph Curry. But I think the NBA they
rationalize it this way. They're they're you know, they're eleven
year I think seventy seven billion dollars deal for TVs
starting next year, so from bottom line, they're going to
be okay. But I think that this NBA Finals shows
it's most important. It's not the transactions, it's not the rumors,
it's not the soap opera. It's the quality of play

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on the court. And I think guys you don't always
see down in the regular season because of guys seeing
out there being injuries, as well as just the lack
of excitement for regular season basketball compared to the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Now the ref I forgot Foster, is he the extender
or the fixer? I forgot? I'm sorry, Mark, right, he knows.

Speaker 5 (30:28):
How to wear both hats. You know that SGA, that
SGA push off he got away with. Lou Dort got
away with a few pushes of his own. I think
two times against Haliburn. I think in that case, the
Pacers are up to one, so he would have been
the extender because the Thunder then tied it.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Are the Pacers finally getting the credit that they deserve,
Mark or no.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
Well, if they win a championship even more. But yeah,
I think that they have shown throughout the series that
they're not just year because of outside circumstances of you know,
the Bucks underachieving, the Cleveland Cavaliers underachieving, the Knicks. You know,
they gets the first Eastern Conference Finals twenty five years,
but they will at end crunch time. All those things
came into play. But I think the Pacers got here

(31:17):
on their own accord. They deserve everything. They've played really well. Yeah,
they've been inconsistent, tyres Alburton has had you know, mixed
identities of dominant passer clutch score and then completely wets
the bed. The Thunder are just a really good team.
So I think if win or lose, there's going to
be an appreciation for the Pacers that they've earned what

(31:40):
they've gotten this year. And it's not just because of
fluke injuries with all their opponents.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
You know, as far as I'm concerned, if the Pacers
are gonna win, one person has to have a big game.
That's got to be Miles Turner. What he's doing now
is unacceptable. He has a big game, Pacers have a
chance to win. I know everybody says it's got to
be Halliburton and all that, but Miles Turner's got to
put some points there.

Speaker 5 (32:01):
Well, Miles Turner, I agree with you. I mean, there's
there's got to be X factors, and whether it's Miles Turner,
Pascal Siakam, TJ McConnell, with Obi Top and all of them,
any of them are great. But I think to the
broader point is they're so evenly matched with these games
have been so competitive that every single thing could determine
the outcome. If I had to rank it, I think

(32:22):
it starts with the turnovers. With exception of Game one,
we've seen that every single game, whoever wins the turnover
battle wins the game. I think inevitably it then trickles
down to the star player. But I think especially in
the Game seven Guys, where the tensions high, you expect
that guys aren't going to shoot the ball necessarily well,
So I think it then comes down to who's making

(32:45):
the hostile plays the intangibles, and Miles Turner's part of
that because he's, you know, a very important part of
you know, giving some good rim protection and trying to
slow down check Holmbern and Isaiah Hartenstein.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
So who wins It's a good question.

Speaker 5 (33:02):
You can flip the coin either way. I give it
to the Thunder. They're the higher seeded team, they got
the home floor, the crowd in Oklahoma or City is
really great. They do have an eighteen and two record
after a loss, and that includes that Game seven win
against the Nuggets. I know it's a different comparison because
the Nuggets where were they were? But that was a
great formula. Shay had a thirty five point game. Joe

(33:24):
and Williams shot really well. They had a lot of
good bench play, they forced turnovers, they played great defense.
I mean, I think the thing is all these categories
are probably obvious, but that shows just how evenly matched
this series is and how unpredictable it is. We've got
to the point we know what he needs to do.
It's now a matter of who's healthiest, like Tyree's most,

(33:45):
notably with his calf, but also who's able to execute
all those different variables because we don't know which variable
is going to stay out the most. But because of
how tight this series has been, you can make the
argument that everything's going to matter because it could come
down to a few possessions.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, so do you feel like it is going to
be close either way?

Speaker 5 (34:06):
You know that's the thing. Any outcome I'm not going
to be surprised with. I could see it be close
either way. I could see the Thunder kind of give
the Pacers their own medicine the same way the Pacers
did to the Thunder. I could see it being close,
like in the first half and then the thunder kind
of breakaway in the second. I tend to think that's
what's going to happen. It's going to be a highly

(34:28):
contested first half. Everyone's going to give their best shot.
I don't think it's going to be much of an
offensive clinic because the game's so tight, there's so much pressure,
but there's going to be so much drama and effort.
But I think by the second half you're going to
see Shaye bring his game to another level as well
as just their overall depth and after at that point,
it just becomes too insurmountable. But you know what, guys,

(34:50):
That's what I'm going to think. But at the same time,
the Pacers have shown you dismiss them at your own peril.
They're the comeback things. They're very resilient, So who knows.
I'm glad I'm not paying this game, so I'm sure
i'd lose money on it.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Mar I appreciate your brother.

Speaker 5 (35:04):
You have the best right back at you. Guys always
want talking MBA appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
That is Mark Madeena follow him on X by the
way at Mark g underscore Medina. We'll come back. We'll
reset some of our conversation with Mark Medena and weird question.
Is Aaron Rodgers married or not? That's next. He's Arny
spend here, Jason Martin, this is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Second time I've heard this song today.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
You know this one, Arnie, It's been around a long time.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
My friend, who is it?

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I can't remember off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Brian Adams there it is, Brian Summer sixty on heard
it during the workout earlier. Now I'm hearing it here.
If you were hearing us in the last segment, you
heard a good pal. Mark Medina, NBA, inside or sports Keta.
He's been everywhere. Man. He picked the Thunder. But and
he said no this part. I totally agree with no

(36:08):
outcome at this point, which surprised me because I.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Like Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
You know, I was teasing Plank. I said that when
the series started, I said, if I call them the
Oklahoma City Sooners, nobody would know the difference. They would
have no idea that their nickname was the Thunder. That's
how small market is.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
It's interesting you work with him regularly. He's a thunderfan.
Now you're working with me. I'm a thunderfan.

Speaker 3 (36:29):
He said, that's disrespectful, saying that so disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (36:33):
Yeah, it's not quitting the Sooners. It's just disrespectful. It's
disrespectful to anyone else. So anything else that Medina said
strike you. The question I asked about the Pacers and
getting respect. Do you feel like they're being taken seriously yet?

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Or Yeah, you've getten this far. You've gotten this far
and you're one game away, and you've been an underdog.
You were an underdog in the Knick series. You've been
an underdog in all this series. You were a six seed.
Now you're a game seven winner. Take all. Look, they're
a six and a half point underdog in this game.
I like Oklahoma City, but I agree with Mark. Anything
goes into game seven. You never know who gets hot.

(37:14):
You know, if Indiana is hitting their three pointers, watch out.
Then all of a sudden, it's a whole different story.
You're right about that. They got to take the crowd
out of it early. Don't let them get all you know,
loud and you know, getting crazy. If the game's close
to halftime, they've got a chance to go ahead and
pull off the upset.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, so, and we've seen the Pacers come back, well
you know what they did to the Knicks in Game one,
for instance. But I mean, we've seen big comebacks from
both these teams at different times during this postseason.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
So why do we see more comebacks like that? I
mean they said it was.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like the balls won. I like the three balls won.
There's so many threes being shot that you have a
better chance to get back into a game, or another
team gets complacent and they just keep taking a bunch
of threes, miss them come up empty because the shot
percentage is so much lower, and then you come on
the end and ship away. Maybe they have some bad
vowels or somebody gets into trouble, But I do think

(38:08):
the three ball and the distance that guys are willing
to shoot from changes some of that at least a
little bit. But uh, these games have certainly been such
that nobody somebody is probably not going to run away
and hide, because both these teams are capable and have
shown it that they're not going to quit. And in

(38:28):
a game seven situation in the NBA Finals, you're not
playing the next day anyway, right, So I can't imagine
even if you get out thirty that you're going to
take your foot off.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
The gas this time.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, not in this scenario. I don't think it's going
to be a blowout. I don't think The one thing
that would surprise me is if the you said nothing
would surprise you. That's what Mark said. The only thing
that would surprise me if the Pacers blew out the
thunder on the road, I don't think that will happen.
I blow out like twenty five point. I could see

(39:00):
Indiana win. I could even see Indiana win comfortably. But
not a blowout. Oh no, If there's a blowout, I
feel like it has to be Oklahoma City. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
If I can see Okaoma City up being up like
six to eight late in the game and all of
a sudden they scored the last eight points and sixteen,
it looks like a blowout of something like that. But
I think it could be a close game halfway through
the fourth, which means it's a you know, a single
digit game that's like eight or West or nine or West,
and they're fighting it out. Nothing crazy, nothing like fifteen

(39:31):
or sixteen. Then we could have a good game seven
and hopefully we can enjoy it. Anything more. Forget about
it then.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
So when we come back out of this break, we're
gonna continue to But there's just a lot of Game
seven to talk about. There is some Schador Sanders that
we need to get to. There's Sam Darnold and Tom Brady.
There's there's some other stuff going on, no question about that.
But the one thing we haven't really discussed at all
regarding Game seven is the broadcast. There's gotta be some
pressure on ESPN, especially with kind of how their coverage

(40:01):
has been viewed thus far. So we'll jump into the
broadcast and the presentation of Game seven when we come back.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, our.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Number two of the program. We are live in the
Fox Sports Radio studios. He is Arnie Spaniard, I'm Jason Martin,
Aaron Torres with the weekend off. If you are a
member of the Indiana Pacers or the Oklahoma City Thunder,
you do not have the weekend off, Nope, but you
do have next week off.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Then what do we do?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
I don't know, man. I guess you can go to Cancun,
but it's not like a derogatory thing at that point. No,
you want to go. I think you could probably go
at that point, maybe watch the draft while you're down there.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
But you know they'll be football news. There's always football
news during that time.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
I mean Aaron I would say, like, could the Aaron
Rodgers separation news be next? Since no one's late eyes
on Brittany apparently, And now there's like this tabloid speculation
he was on the beach by himself.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, but they said there was nothing file too, so
that he's not officially married.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I guess, so can we just let's just let's get
down to brass tacks. He's sort of a weird cat, right, right,
He's just a weird guy in general. Like if you
found out he wasn't married, would it be like it
would be surprising that anyone else would say it? And
it was never true, And it's just like maybe he

(41:35):
got married in his mind at burning Man or at
a darkness retreat, who knows. Man. I was hoping it
was real and it was, Yeah, legit loved.

Speaker 3 (41:47):
For him and smart the media wants. That's what it's
all about. He's playing games with the media. He wants
to feel like he's out smarting them. Can you imagine
think about this. I can understand when celebrity and athletes
don't want to tell people when they're getting married, but
they don't want the paparazzi crashing the wedding or anything
like that. But why would you want to keep it

(42:08):
a secret afterwards? It's the happiest day of your life,
for at least one of the happiest days of your life.
Why would you want to say, no, I'm not married,
or I want to keep it a secret. And I
don't want anybody to know. What kind of miserable life
do you have that it has to be a secret
like that. I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
But again, like if we let's say it was like
you know, like there's blind taste tests and stuff like that. Right, Like,
let's say you didn't know who it was, but I
had said, there's a professional athlete that came back from
kind of just being in the middle of nowhere for
a while and said he had been married for two months.

(42:46):
I don't think we would have taken five guesses to
have at least suggested Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
No, maybe Manti Tea.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
That would have been, well, that's well played. I didn't
think about that. But Rogers would have to be near
the top.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
I would say that to him. I'm just teasy. I'm
just eazy about that. I mean, I don't understand mid
a world.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Peace a few years ago, yeah, or something like maybe
the prime days of her on our testis Rodman.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I still don't know who he was dating and who
was married to. I have no idea on that front,
you know.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Yeah. So I went and saw Counting Crows last week
with my wife, and I said, I was, like, every
single guy wanted to be Adam Duritz in like the
mid nineties. Really why, I was like, look at the
list of the people that he dated. It's the most
ridiculous list ever, Like, it's it's absolutely preposterous. And basically

(43:44):
she was she kind of looked at him, like why.
And then I looked it up and they called it
the Pete Davidson effect, because Pete Davidson's the one that
for some reason has been with you know, has has
been a relationships with all these women. But I mean,
he's Pete Davidson.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Way before that. You have to go way back to
John Derrek, who used to date fame and married famous
beautiful women like Bo Derek and people like that, Arsla Andrews,
I believe, and he was known for dating supermodels to
that effect.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
And we had like the Lyle love It, Julia Roberts,
ye ye back the day. And so there's always there's
always gonna be the weird cases. But no one is
weirder in sports right now. I think Dan Aaron Rodgers
just kind of the way he goes about everything seems
like he's always playing You said it right, he's playing games.
He likes to just kind of pull strings for for
no end. Sometimes either like he said, it's almost just

(44:38):
doing it for laughs. Here's my hot take, maybe not
even hot tape. This is my bold take early in
you know, long before the NFL season starts, right, this
is gonna be a year where Tom and has a
losing season.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Oh, I with you one one. It's gonna be a
miserable year. I'm seeing six or seven wins on the horizon.
I don't think he's going to have a good year
at all. I don't think he's ready for this year.
He thinks that he could just shrug everything off and
come on in. He's made a mistake, and you know

(45:13):
he's still I think that injury still is hampering him
a little bit. I just don't see it for the
Steelers this year, they're a third place if they're lucky.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
To be honest with you, that's exactly what I think
i'd be. You pretty much enabled it. Like everything you
just said is kind of the way I think this
is going to go down. It doesn't trend right, it
doesn't feel right, it doesn't look right. You also got
rid of George Pickens along the way. TJ. Watt, You're
still working at his contract situation like nothing. Nothing seems
to be Steeler like to me this year and the

(45:42):
Rogers saying everybody else can get excited about it. I
want to watch it because I'm certainly fascinated by it.
I just it's more I wouldn't say car crash, but
near miss kind of stuff.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
Do we still know why it took him so long
as the sign? Was it because he didn't want to
go into the camp and didn't want to practice, didn't
want to be held if he signed.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Arnie, if he signed three months ago, we wouldn't have
talked about it for three months. I mean, but there's
gotta be a stay in the top of the news
cycle by not being there right right.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
I understand that. I'm just wondering if that's the reason
why he didn't want to sign. Butause you don't won't
go to camp or anything.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
That Apparently he got married and he was, I don't know,
in Mozambique or who knows.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
You know, did you hear dani Ka Patrick's uh.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Yeah, what she said about their relationship was not flattering.

Speaker 5 (46:32):
I was.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
I was stunned by it, as I was.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
I was too. It said it was emotional abuse. Is
that the word she used?

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Emotional abuse? Sale Woo was saying the same stuff. Who Yeah,
I think I didn't know Shaleen Woodley had said anything.
I just saw the dana Ka Patrick stuff here just
a couple of days ago.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
And he was not flattering on that.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Yeah, I'd always heard the opposite. We'd always kind of
heard that, like Olivia Munn was a problem, right, Like
she helped isolate Aaron from his family.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
And then you thought that was like that, and you
thought Danica was a problem also just because she's a
little bit tougher, you know what I mean when she.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Had strong little alpha is she she wanted to be
a car driver and everything else. Like but like what
she said, the reason why it's believable is because it's
coming from someone that wouldn't you wouldn't necessarily think would
admit something like that, exactly right, Like, she hasn't built
her career on being that type. She hasn't built her
career on being vulnerable. So for the fact that she

(47:33):
gets vulnerable in this moment, man, she has nothing to
achieve by coming out with that either exactly like having
a lawsuit or anything to that. She was I think
she was on a podcast, which is which is why
he came out.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
So yeah, I was a little surprised that. I'm like, wow,
and that's that's.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That's exaggerated because I just don't want to think that
anybody went through and we didn't get any details. I'm
glad honestly we don't need the details, but I don't
like the thought of any woman going through that in
any kind of a relationship. And I Woodley has also
said something similar.

Speaker 8 (48:09):
Then that's so actually looking it looks like she said,
I haven't shared much about my relationship with Aaron because
it always makes me cry. But she added it was
not right, but it was beautiful, so she at least
has some positive thoughts on it, so it wasn't as
bad as the dank.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Yeah, no, better. Yeah, it's not going to be good.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
No, I yeah. I First of all, you know, if
you look at somebod and I think I have said
this to you before, I'm not sure when's the last
time we filled in. If you look at the divisions,
there's not a lot that are up for grabs there,
to be honest for you, Like in the AFC, we
already know it's going to be Baltimore. We already know
it's going to be the Texans. We already know it's

(48:49):
going to be Kansas City, and we already know it's
going to be Buffalo one, two, three, four there they've
already won the division. But in that Pittsburgh division, it's
gonna be Baltimore, it's gonna be Cincinnati definitely won two.
You could bank on that. Pittsburgh lucky to be ahead
of Cleveland at the number three spot.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
So I told I told now, I tell Torres this,
or is this when I was soloing? I may it
may have been when I was in for Bernie Fretto.
I said this, Okay, the Bills are the one team
that are picked to win every game. They're favored to
win every game this season. They're not an underdog in
any game based on their schedule. Here's what I think, Arney,

(49:27):
and you, being an AFC eastky as a Miami fan,
may appreciate this. Call me in January, Man, I don't
care what Buffalo does until the playoffs. Like we've heard
this every year, and they're good every year, but that's
not going to be how things are determined for them. Like,
do something in the playoffs and I'll care. Like you
can go undefeated in the regular season, I still want

(49:49):
to see it in January. Well like that.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
That's great and all. That's fair. But the reason I'm
saying they're probably the number one team in the AFC
is because I really think Kansas City is gonna take
a big step back words. I think Age is finally
gonna catch up to them. When you said show me,
show me what you could do when the playoffs come around,
were you talking about Buffalo or Lamar Jackson, I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
I mean, you could talk about all.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
I didn't know. I wasn't sure because both of it.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
But I know, I know, I just only one of
them can actually show you something though, right, right? But
but the difference is that Buffalo is picked to win
every game, right, So it's like, well, Baltimore, they're they're
better than Philly, They're better than all these teams. It's like, okay,
that's great, but you haven't even made a super Bowl yet. Well,
like Mark Jackson is that at some point.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
He's an m VP better than everybody else. And I'm
sure Baltimore is going to be just about favorite in
all their games with maybe one or or two. So
there it's a three team race Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City.
But this could be their year. I mean, they had
a great record last year. The AFC is a little
bit of the AFC East is a little bit better
than it was last year. So maybe going to be

(50:57):
a disaster. No, they're not going to be a cakewalk
like that, and the Jets are going to be a
little bit better off. So not so I'm not sure
where my dapine man.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Did you hear what Justin Field said? Justin Fields thinks
the sky is a limit. He thinks there's a lot
there in that Jets organization. He feels like I can't
remember the exact quote, but he was just talking about
he's going to be at his best, Like he feels
like they can really succeed. But then at least he said,
you know, there's a lot of work to do, right.
I know that that's what anybody is going to say,

(51:25):
but I'm like, dude, it's the Jets, like say, just
say we're going to get to double digit wins. Oh, Gilby,
give me something here, never coached before, never been a
head coach before. Like, it could go right, but it
could also go full Jets.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Oh, I could see him in last place. I think
the Patriots actually passed him up and put him and
Patriots in the third place. I think it was Buffalo
Miami Patriots and then the Jets. But they'll be ale
a lot more formidable than they were last year with
Aaron Rodgers. I really do believe that the Patriots are
going to be better off, so that division will be
better all the way one through four.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Dude, I think that I think the Bengals might be
the worst team in the AFC, And it has nothing
to do with anything other than the video that Ian
sent me during the break.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
Have you seen Yes, I saw that earlier today.

Speaker 2 (52:17):
So Joe Burrow, I guess was it a charity event
or something in some kind of Okay, yeah, yeah, got it.
So he threw I think it was eight balls. I
think I watched it, and man, dude is all about
way outside to the left, like just everything was was
just straight up hooking left. He had one that actually

(52:39):
hit the target.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Issue, and it felt like he.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
Was getting better. Like I looked at the second one.
It wasn't quite as far off than the third one. Okay,
we're getting a little closer than the fourth one hit
and I'm like, all right, he's got it now. The
fifth one hit the wall over to the left. I'm like,
but even it is astonished.

Speaker 8 (52:55):
Even when he was improving, it was more like because
he was just aiming farther to the right. It's like
driving to the left. You just aim right because you
don't want to fix your He doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
How to throw a baseball, That's what it was.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
I was throwing football.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
If it's very difficult to throw a baseball. If you
don't know how to throw.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
One can honest, Like, if you're Joe Burrow, don't you
you know, go out and play catch with somebody for
a day. Look, have you thrown the first Pitch album?

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:20):
I have.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I And I went and went then played catch and
threw some stuff off the mound, and it's very nerve wracking, man,
it really is if you're not a baseball player. But
if you're an athlete, it should go okay. But sometimes
you hold on to the ball too long and you
just bounce one up there a couple of times, you know.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
So, I mean I threw a strike technically right, the
ball got there and it was caught in the strike zone,
but it was very much Henry rowing Gardener. Like, when
I went back and watched the video, I was like,
this is the ugliest. This is the Adrian Dantley free throw.

(53:59):
That's a reference right there.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
I remember that, likes that was a good one there.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, that's what it was, man Like. It wasn't a float,
but if you watch it, I shot putted the ball
and I was like, I went through for like a
day or two before, just because I didn't want to
embarrass myself. I just wanted to feel a little comfortable
going up there because I hadn't picked up a baseball
in years and years. And then I go up there
and I throw it, and I'm like, well, this is
probably how it was practicing. Nobody decided to tell me.

(54:30):
I just like this.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
I went to Ken Tacolvy and did the side arm
thing invent No, I did not.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
Brett Saberhagen.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
Yeah, can you imagine somebody doing that kid kid Tokovy
doing the full side arm and throwing it that way.
That'd be fun.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
But look, man, Joe Burrow, I would just say, the
Reds probably need to work with him behind the scenes
if they're gonna have something.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Did you see that story I said you about Joe
Burrow's dad. Since you're on Joe Burrow, did you see that?

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Tell me tell me this story. I did not have
a chance to fully research Thisay, I hope it.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I hope it's true, and I think it is. I
said that to a bunch of people. I guess many years,
many years ago, when Joe Burrow bet on his son,
his father bet on his son to win the Heisman.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
This is true. I saw this too.

Speaker 3 (55:19):
He did, and he bet two thousand dollars wow, at
two hundred to one odds, which meant his payback was
about four hundred thousand dollars.

Speaker 8 (55:32):
It was also that he was like the only I
think he was the only person in in in the
country who bet on Joe Burrow to win the High.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
Get out at that time? Get out.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
I remember, how believe some lsu Hank didn't just put
down a bunch of money on Joe Burrow.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Well, that reminds me of like Rory McIlroy's dad betting
on his and Rory remember that you heard about that one.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
So yeah, well, I mean that's not like, dude, how
many how many fantasy teams have you seen in leagues
that you've played in where it's like, oh, I know
who what team he's a fan of? Right, because there's
like four or five guys from that team. Like, if
you have the money, like you're one of these wealthy
donors or something like that, why wouldn't you just throw
it down? I mean, especially in the SEC. We're nuts, Arnie.

(56:15):
I don't know if you actually know you hosted in Atlanta.
We're nuts. Oh, Like you are crazy down here. Like
if you have money, the balls are gonna win it
every year here in the state of Tennessee, and I'm
gonna I'm gonna put money down on it. Like I
can't believe like somebody with means didn't just do it
to do it, like the fact that that might have
been the only person in the country to do. It

(56:35):
is stunning to me.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It's a little shady, though. Do you get that, you
know that his own father bet on him or do
you don't have a problem with that.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
I don't have a problem because his father couldn't affect anything.

Speaker 9 (56:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
You play the best football in the world, so I
can win money. Okay, dad, that's what it was gonna That.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Would have been a story if he bet against his
son in a game. Guy, Joe Burrow's dad better get
his own son about that. That's crazy, you know. But no,
thank goodness, we didn't find that out.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
I'm glad.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
That's so.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
So it's funny. We talked about how the NFL was
gonna have stories. We were all set to talk about
Game seven, and we just talked about football for the
entire segment.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
Yeah, football, Football's king. I mean, even if it's an
Aaron Rodgers or Joe Burrows story or or what's gonna happen.
I mean, it's already June, by the way, in your mind,
when does the football season start?

Speaker 7 (57:27):
I would say, you're telling me the NFL season or
the NFL to me to the NFL season. To me,
it's the first Hall of Fame preseason game. Not the
first practice. Yeah, well I know that, but it's it's.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
A game the field, because they right, right, right.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
But to me, it's not when the practice starts, or
that two weeks before the Hall of Fame game or
the full first week. It's the week of the Hall
of Fame game. Once that starts, boom, We've got football.
We're ready to roll.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Yeah, So I would argue, and we'll get to break
here right after this. We'll come back. We can talk seven,
but we may talk to her when we may talk Lebron,
so we may stay just in Ohio for a little while.
But I would say, and it used to be more
true than it is now because it's so new again now.
But when I started to really care again about football

(58:16):
and really just get super hyped and start counting down
the hours is when EA Sports College Football came out
whenever that was if it answered LAO four or whatever,
because it was about the second Tuesday in July somewhere
in that neighborhood. That's when you and your friends are
then playing the games, you're building your rosters, you're starting
to get to know some things, you kind of get

(58:38):
back into the swing of things. And then even though
it hasn't been good in a long time. Madden would
come out about a month later, and then a month
after that the season would be going in both sports.
So like the time where football begins to matter again,
we'll be around. Like I think it's July, it's either
July eleventh or July seventeenth at college football twenties.

Speaker 3 (58:56):
And we used to have six We used to have
six preseason games in the NFL, So we got started,
I believe a little bit earlier with the preseason games
back then.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Speaking of early, we are very very late right now. Yeah,
you're talking, talking and talking. This his Arnie Spaniard just
running off of the mouth. People. I apologize for this.
So let's get to break. We will come back out
of this. Lebron James does not think that championship rings
should get the level of import that they do, and

(59:25):
the greatest player ever discussions of course he doesn't. I'm
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came back with this. Lebron James is a basketball player.

(01:00:39):
Lebron James is a really good basketball player. He's one
of the greatest basketball players of all time. But he's
also annoying and transparent and kind of thin skinned, and
he does things that just seem baffling because it's so
obvious and it's just I wish he didn't do some

(01:01:02):
of these things, and like, it's just this is such
an unnecessary thing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
If you have that's the modern athlete. By the way,
when you just skin and conscending and all that, Oh,
that's the modern day that I thought you were talking
about Kevin Durant there for a second.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Well, yeah, Durant, certainly, I was thinking about Durant when
you started naming it. I'm like, man, did we just
start talking about Duran No, we haven't quite gotten there yet,
but we will talk about Durant here in a minute.
But if you missed it, you know now that his
head coach, JJ Reddick is his head coach. He's no
longer his podcast co host. So now it's Steve Nash,
so on the was it up on Game? Is that
what it's called? I don't even not even sure what

(01:01:38):
the podcast is called? The Game Mind the Game? Sorry?
Up on Games? Actually decent. Yeah, it's here on Fox
Sports Traio. My apologies to the gentleman the host up
on Game. But Lebron and Steve Nash were waxing poetic
about championships, and Lebron said this, it's funny. I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:01:57):
I don't know why I've discussed so much in our
sport and why it is the all be all of everything.
You sit here and you tell me, you know, Alan
Iverson and Charles Barkley and Steve Nash, you know, you
know wasn't unbelievable, Like, oh, they can't be talked about

(01:02:18):
or discussed with these guys, is because this guy one
one ring or one two rings or one like it's
just it's just weird to me. It's like saying Peyton
Manning can't be in the same room with Brady or
Mahomes because he only has one ring. They don't never
discuss that in the sport. Or telling me that Dan
Marino is not the greatest slinger of all time, or
he can't be in a room with those guys because

(01:02:39):
he didn't win a championship. They don't discuss those things.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
Yeah, okay, so there's a lot there. Okay, Yeah, first off,
he's saying things that not only are patently untrue, but
he's making weird comparisons. Well, first off, Peyton Manning one
two not one, right when it comes to Dan Marino
being the greatest slinger, And look, nobody's gonna disagree if
you say that, then you can make that argument, There's

(01:03:04):
no question about it. A whole lot of people felt
for a long time that Charles Barkley was the greatest
power forward to ever play, right, Like I've heard that
a lot before. Tim Duncan came't, didn't, didn't win a ring.
Charles Barkley himself has done interviews with other NBA players.
I think it was Stephen Jackson's podcast as a matter

(01:03:24):
of fact, where Charles Barkley said something to the effect of, look, man, like,
I'm a Hall of Famer, but I'm in a different
wing than those guys meaning Jordan Kobe, some of those
guys that have won just a ton of championships during
their career, right, and I think that there there's wisdom
in that, right Like, it drove him nuts. It drove
he said, you know, Carl Malane's great, I was great,

(01:03:47):
but and we're Hall of Famer's no question about it.
But we're in a different wing of the Hall of
Fame than those guys are.

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
That's a good way I understand that, right, And that's
a good way of pretty good. But as for Lebron saying,
you know, why do we talk so much about championships, Well,
there has to be the great equalizer when you're talking
about who's number one or top five or top ten
or whatever it is. Yeah, Dan Marino is a great
Hall of Fame quarterback, but he does lose a couple
of notches for not winning a Super Bowl. That's just

(01:04:15):
the way it is. And yes, in the NBA, we
do look at championships. I mean, we don't say Robert
or or Steve Kerr is actually better than.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
The Steve Nash for example.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
Right exactly, even though Kerr has all those championships. So
we don't, you know, we don't go off the deep
rails and say something to that effect. But it is
the great equalizer when you're talking about Michael Jordan's seven
and Lebron's four, and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Yeah, and I think that's that's that's you just got
to the crux of it, right, And this is not
rocket science, right, Lebron James is now trying to move
the goalposts and change what defines the greatest player of
all time because he's never gonna win a knows he's
not going to win another one, exactly. He knows he's
definitely not going to catch Jordan.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
You know, I was gonna ask Mark Medina this and
shave on me for not bringing it up. This whole
Laker sale. What does that mean for Lebron? Does that
mean Lebron's gone after a year? Does that mean Lebron
is going to because remember now it was a sale.
I'm thinking Lebron is gonna end up going to Las
Vegas and buying his own team. And can he be

(01:05:23):
a player owner, player, coach? Does he have to retire?
Can he not be the owner just yet? But we
all know he's the real owner. I have so many
questions about what's gonna happen Lebron because of this Lakers
sale now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
So again, like, if you could just be Lebron James
and be a great player, yeah, then this would be
so much easier. It would be so much easier to
just enjoy these last few years of his career where
he's still playing really high level basketball. But this stuff
is so just transparently so.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
Worried about his legacating. Yes, and you know nowaday athletes
are so worried about their legacy. It never used to
be like this, and it really is a turnoff. It's
just downright disgusting. Stop worrying about your legacy yet again, dude,
you're really good, like good, top five, top three, whatever
you want to call it. But I hate when athletes

(01:06:16):
are so worried about their legacy. You know, the NBA
just on a little side note, remember they hadn't changed
the rules that at the end of the quarters if
you threw up a full court shot, that didn't count
as a shot attempt because the players stopped doing it
because they didn't want to exactly. I mean, you talk
about just being you know, just ridiculous that they had

(01:06:39):
to do something like that. Now with the athletes worry
so much more about their stats and and and those
type of things, and I think it's such a turnoff
for the fans to be honest.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
And so and listen, like the rings argument again, like
Lebron has made the opposite argument by how he's conducted
himself throughout his career. But and I sent you this video,
but I don't know. This must have been a couple
of years ago. He was doing maybe it was the
Barbershop or whatever, that podcast, and he was watching film

(01:07:10):
of him winning the championship with Cleveland when they beat
Golden State and they win, and he says, you know,
I went back and I watched that film and I
realized after that game seven that that right there made
me the greatest player of all time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
I remember that was the quote.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
He was, like, you know, I watched it, Like man,
that one was special. You're the best basketball player of
all time. Why, dude, championships don't matter? Like what, championships
are overrated? Rings are overrated. If rings are overrated, then
then why did you want Anthony Davis? And why did
you take your talents to South Beach And why did
you then go back to Cleveland with Kyrie Irving? And

(01:07:54):
why have you manufactured trying to get all these superstars there?
I mean, if rings are not like an ultimate metric
for greatest of all time and all this other kind
of stuff, and all of a sudden, everything's a team win.
That's another thing that he's saying. But a lot of
times he's like, man, I'm so glad, he said, I'm
so glad I was able to bring one to Cleveland,

(01:08:15):
right right, there's a lot of people on that team, man,
Tyrie hit a big three five.

Speaker 3 (01:08:21):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
And also Draymond Green helped you out a lot by
getting that tea. You might be knocked out of that game.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
He moved the golf post. That's exactly what he's doing.
He wants to be He knows he's never going to
win another championship, so he's tried to Yeah, it is
and you know, I got to tell you, I've never
seen a bigger superstar in any sport, and that's more condescending,
and you know, has more of an agenda than somebody
like Lebron James.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Yeah, I just I wish he did not think about
himself so much. Let everybody else tell you you're great.
That's fine, but don't be so. Don't you're walking around
on your own eggshells, like trying to hold onto your
own legacy in your own dude. Just you're great, but
there's always going to be somebody better in life than you.
That's just the way it is. You're always going to

(01:09:07):
be looking up at someone and you, my friend, are
always going to be looking up at Michael Jeffrey George,
and we are going to look over.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
You think somebody like Wemby will have a better career
than Lebron or it's too wait for that now.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
No, I don't think so. I just think the NBA
is different now and and he's just we'll see what
happens in this offseason. Like we haven't talked about the
free agency and all, we got plenty of time to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
Let's get super maybe or somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
Yeah, let's let him get into the NBA first before
we start doing that.

Speaker 6 (01:09:37):
Steve, what's crazy good about the Lebron career is that
he's this good, this late in the Yes, people retired
years before this age. That's what's amazing, that's for sure.
The comment though, and what you're talking about, it does
remind me of when Rob Manford running Major League Baseball.
After the Houston cheating and what to do with the
World Series Trophyley calls all this about a piece of metal.

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:10:01):
Wait, wait, you're the commissioner that hands out the trophy.
This is why the people play in your league. How
could you possibly say that? And as far as the
Lakers maybe not having the team with Lebron to win
another title, he's been in LA seven years. They won
the title in twenty twenty, plus a couple of years
ago they got swept by Denver in the conference finals.

(01:10:23):
Aside from that, that's five other seasons in LA. The
Lakers have either been out first round or missed the
playoffs entirely in five of his seven years in LA.

Speaker 3 (01:10:35):
Just for the record, beautiful.

Speaker 6 (01:10:37):
Facts, Washington is leading the LA Dodgers seven to three
in the bottom of the ninth five home runs for
the Nationals. Already, the Padres won five to one over
Kansas City, and San Francisco edge Boston three to two.
The other late game tonight has the Guardians, who were
up four to nothing early now leading four to two
at the A's in the top of the ninth wins
for Arizona and the Angels. The Mets had lost seven

(01:11:01):
in a row but got to win at Philadelphia finally
eleven to four. They're tied to Thank Arney Man. I
want to say, Arnie, thank you for your Mets man.
My braves needed you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
Guys. We did really appreciate that.

Speaker 6 (01:11:12):
Sweet So Arnie's on the air and one of his
teams won ton.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
Finally, we didn't get out till eleven, so yeah, yeah,
that was over before.

Speaker 6 (01:11:22):
Yeah, okay, Meds and Phillies are tied for first in
the NL East. Wins for the Yankees and the Cubs.
Saint Louis won its fifth straight to come back eleven
inning win over the Red six to five. College World
Series A best of three finals started with LSU's one
nothing win against Coastal Carolina. US men's soccer plays against
Sunday on Fox TV against Haiti, The Gold Cup tournaments

(01:11:44):
is on Fox and FS one. Curis out tonight scored
late to tie Canada one one. In the FIFA Club
World Cup, Real Madrid plays Sunday in Charlotte against Pachuca.
The Club World Cup is a thirty two team tourney.
The US is hosting kind of a dry run with
hosting such a big thing before the actual World Cup
with national teams is here mostly in the US next summer.

(01:12:05):
There was a game last Sunday in this Club World
Cup at the Rosewall, eighty thousand in attendance for Paris
and Jermain, the European champs, to win four nothing over
Atletico Madrid. The tournament opener was in Miami. The final
will be in New Jersey. The next IndyCar Race on
Fox TV is Sunday at Road America in Wisconsin. Denny
Hamlin ere in the poll for Sunday's NASCAR event at Pocono.

(01:12:26):
Hamlin has won there a record seven times in his career.
Tommy Fleetwood lead to the Travelers by three strokes. Jason
Day is five back. Scottie Scheffler shot a third round
sixty two and fell to a tie for eighth with
Roy McElroy. And others. Justin Thomas shot seventy three. He's
now tied for fourteenth place. UFC fighter John Jones retired.
He went sixteen to zero in title bouts WNBA wins

(01:12:49):
for Minnesota and Phoenix. The NBA has a Game seven
of the Final Sunday, Indiana at Oklahoma City. We haven't
had a finals go to a game seven since twenty sixteen,
when the Cavaliers came back from three games to one
to defeat Golden State.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I looked it up.

Speaker 6 (01:13:08):
The Game seven TV audience twenty sixteen was over thirty
million viewers.

Speaker 3 (01:13:14):
Wow, get out of here.

Speaker 6 (01:13:16):
They would be happy with a third of that Tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
They're not getting thirty mili. I promise you that or
ten maybe. Geez wow, Thank you, Steve.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
We'll come back, raise and we'll talk more with Steve Disaga.
On the other side, he's got a lot more for
us here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah. The longevity argument
that he made is right about Lebron. It is very
impressive how long he's been doing what he's been doing.
I just wish he'd let us be impressed with him
and not make it hard by saying just just you

(01:13:48):
don't have to comment man like, dude, just you're you're
no worst showing pull up your zipper like, no.

Speaker 3 (01:13:55):
Worse than the girl. Let you know she's the best
looking in the school.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
You know that, right, that's the safety exactly right. The
best looking one in the school doesn't have to tell
you because you have eyes. That's a basketball player of
all time. Yeah, he was the one that wore white
and red and black. That's and he also played for
the Wizards, which you know probably didn't need to happen,
but it did. When we come back, a guy who
did not play with the Washington Wizards, but he probably

(01:14:20):
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show posted. Right after we get off the air. It
is time to bring in our good friend Steve Desager

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for the extended update that we like to call at
least when Aaron's not here the segment Steve, what you got.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
We'll get the last add on the NBA TV ratings
in a moment. Everything's final in baseball now is Cleveland
has won four to two over the A's in Sacramento,
and Washington beat the Dodgers seven to three. As far
as these NBA Finals and the TV ratings, the last
ratings published were from the Monday game, which was just
over nine and a half million viewers for Game five,

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which was actually the largest audience they've had so far
in the series to that point through five games, averaging
under nine point two million viewers on ABC, down almost
twenty percent from last year's finals.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:15:42):
Needless to say, it's the lowest audience they've had for
a Game five of the NBA Finals essentially ever since
the nineteen eighties, when Nielsen TV ratings people went to
a people meetia an electronic device to get the ratings
instead of you actually filling out a diary. So you know,
it's it's historically low. However, keep it in context. Viewing

(01:16:06):
of traditional TV as a whole is down, yeah, and
down thirteen percent. I've read from just a year ago.
It's not doing well in general. And so in the
last month any TV channel. The highest rating for anything
on any TV channel these NBA finals so far. So
put it in contra.

Speaker 3 (01:16:24):
We look at the ratings from like sitcoms in the
seventies and eighties. It's ridicul the roof.

Speaker 6 (01:16:29):
It's thirty million for Happy Days.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Oh yeah, weir Now you're competing with elsbith Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I mean seriously, there was like ten or twenty shows
that those type of ratings. It was crazy.

Speaker 6 (01:16:42):
And more to the point, from the NBA's perspective, they've
already signed their new TV contract it starts next year,
the one without TNT, the one that adds Amazon, the
one that's going to be getting them close to seven
billion a year total for the next eleven years. So
I'm not saying it's nothing, but it is notable when
something this historically low is happening. The Oklahoma City, Indiana Series.

(01:17:04):
Doesn't mean nobody's watching Game seven tomorrow. And by the way,
don't use the sentence nobody watched the finals. I repeat,
You're getting three times the audience of any other TV
program in the last month on any other channel.

Speaker 3 (01:17:17):
Yeah, but more people will watch the NFL Draft than
will watch the game.

Speaker 6 (01:17:21):
Sound yeah, NFL anything, if there's NFL to be, you know,
a paint drawing special. I'm sure of your colors and logos.
I'm sure that would get some sort of audience as well.
Those Mets did end the losing streak of seven games
tonight one at Philadelphia. This was the dominant game on
Fox TV tonight, eleven to four of the final. And
the thing is it was the first game in MLB

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history to have seven home runs or more, but all
of them being solo shots by the same team, because
the Mets hit a record tying seven.

Speaker 3 (01:17:52):
Guys on base first starting without without Dave Kingman hitting
any of them.

Speaker 6 (01:17:56):
How about that, Dave Kingman, you could use George Foster
in the lineup, Yes, George Foster. The Yankees game today
was a nine to nothing final over Baltimore and Clark Schmidt.
The winning pitcher through seven no hit innings and came
out one hundred three pitches. He had walked to. The
Yankees hit four solo homers the first five innings. The
Orioles wound up with just one hit one for twenty

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eight at the plate. Baltimore playscatcher Adlee Rushman on the
injured list with a strained oblique il usage for the
Atlanta Braves. His pitcher Chris Sale hurt this week is
on the IL with a fractured rib cage. Atlanta one
at Miami seven nothing. Ronald ocunyan RBI double. He also
had two walks, three runs scored. He's batting three ninety one.

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Texas only had four hits tonight, but still one at
Pittsburgh three to two. Kamar Rocker got the win. Mitch
Keller at one to ten took the loss for the Pirates,
and we had another Cal Raleigh home run today for
Seattle in the game at Wrigley Field. The Cubs beat
the Mariners ten to seven, but cow Raley hit his
thirtieth home run of the season. The first guy who's

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primarily a catcher to hit thirty home runs before All
Star Break the record was Johnny bench twenty eight before
the All Star Break of nineteen seventy. He's the first
switch hitter ever to have thirty home runs before the
All Star break as well. Saint Louis with a comeback
win in eleven atnings, edging the Reds six to five
as the Reds with runners in scoring position went one

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for fifteen. Nolan Arenado the tying solo homer in the
bottom of the ninth. Five straight wins for Saint Louis
wins for the Angels in Arizona tonight. That Arizona win
was at Colorado. Yes, they lost again. Rocky seventeen and sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Beck, Wow, I that's that record, man, seventeen sixties. I'm
not good at MAP, but they're not good at baseball.
We'll come back the third hour of the program. We'll
reset a lot of what we've already talked about when
it goes to Game seven. We haven't talked about the
broadcast yet. We promised we were going to do it
and then we haven't done it. So what are we
expecting from the TV coverage?

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Don't listening? Fox Sports Radio Radio, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Welcome back our number three here, Fox Sports Radio. Fox
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(01:20:23):
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I'm Jason Martin at JAMI Radio aeron Torres with the
weekend off. He'll be back with me next week, of course.
All right, Arnie Game seven. We've talked about it from
seven seventeen thousand different angles, of course, and we have
Mark Medina. If you missed any part of our show,

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podcast at wherever you get your podcasts, and you can
hear that conversation from the first hour of the program.
He picked Oklahoma City. We will predict it officially at
the end of this show, but I wanted to take
in a bit of a different direction. ESPN's they've they've
been criticized a bit, yes during during this finals, and

(01:21:07):
you know, I haven't really talked to you since I
don't know if it was early in the playoffs. I think
it's probably early in the playoffs when we uh host
it together. But I'm looking at all of it and
I have a hard time disagreeing with a lot of
the critique. What they do is difficult. I've done it before,
not on the NBA level, but uh, you know, television

(01:21:28):
is not easy. It's not It's not as easy as
it appears for everyone that wants to hate on it.
So we could say that off the top. But at
the same time, Mike Breen is as good as it gets.
He's phenomenal. The rest of that booth is not good.
Tell me I'm wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
I know you're not wrong one, but two, I never
let the broadcast broadcast crew ruin the game for me.
I'm going to listen, and yeah, I'll yell at the
TV once in a while to say that's ridiculous or
blah blah blah. I don't let them ruin the game
for me. But you are right about that. It's not
a very good broadcast grew, but people will defend it till,

(01:22:08):
you know, till the day they die for whatever reason.
You can criticize people like that, so you know they'll
just say, hey, we enjoy it, and they'll keep it
that way. But I do agree with you. I don't
think it is very good, and you know, ESPN should
do better. They're you know, they're not new at the game.
I can understand if they're new at the game, and
you know it's the first time get it. You know,

(01:22:30):
it's like when we Apple TV got sports for the
first time and we were critical of it, but we understood.
But they're they're much better than this. I don't know
what they're doing, if it's cost cutting or what, but
they're They've gotten a lot of criticism for it, no
doubt about that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:46):
Yeah. So, and like, I mean, I've always kind of
been I haven't been like I've never really understood quite
why Doris Burk has been seeing the way she's been scene.
Not that she's bad, but like she was talked about
in rarefied air terms when she was doing sideline interviews

(01:23:08):
and doing post games and all this other kind of stuff,
and it's like, I mean, she's fine, but I haven't
really understood why there's been like such a fascination with her.
It's about it, that's theout the best way. I not
to say it, not that she's bad at that job,
but that there was nothing particularly stand out about her.
There was nothing as special as I was told, like
they were repeatedly how great she was.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
They were gonna can her off the broadcast. That's why
everybody was coming into her in defense. I think Richard
Jefferson was one that come to defense.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Look, well he can, he can come to her defense
because he's worse than she is. I mean, I'm gonna
Bena be real like he just there's just nothing there,
Like you do have to have a voice, and he
doesn't have one.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
Well, was Reggie Miller any better? It was kind of
discussed to me. Yes, he was, you know, blatantly just
rooting for the Pacers, and I understand he played there.
But then if that's true, way, why did it have
to be him? And there was another Pacer? I figured,
off the top of my head, why don't we just
get a bunch of old New York Knicks and have
him on the broadcast?

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Do that? I well, listen, like, I mean, I think
the bigger thing, it's not it's really just to dog
them out like they're all just terrible or anything else.
I don't think Doris is cast well, I don't think.
I just don't think this is the best role for
her personally. And I think Richard Jefferson can offer you
something in a studio. I just don't think his voice
carries properly for what you need in that boot. I

(01:24:33):
just miss Van Gundy at this point. Like, whatever you
want to say about Mark Jackson, you know it's fine.
He never really bothered me. I was fine with him.
But Ben Gundhy is who I would like to hear
in this game seven, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
What do you what do you want for him? Broadcast crew?
What do you what exactly are are you looking for
entertainment or you're looking for fun, you're looking for strictly stats?
What mixture of everything? What do you exactly are you
looking for?

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Yeah, I don't know that it is necessarily like categorized
like that. I think it's more I want it to
sound smooth. I want there to be natural transitions in
chemistry and people not talking over each other, except they're
like exuberant moments.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
If the NBA crew Ernie and Charles and Kenny and
Shaq were calling a game and left and we're record side,
that'd be pretty fun.

Speaker 2 (01:25:25):
Well, they've done it before. Actually, I think they did
that once before Shack was there. I think they did
it with they put one guy with a pro though,
and they didn't do it all together. I think the
only time they've ever done is like during an All
Star Game or something like that, where they've been together
or whatever. I mean, it's different. It's kind of Manningcastish, right,
or like McAfee or somebody like that. Like, it's a

(01:25:47):
totally different kind of broadcast. It's an alternate kind of feel.
But and I'm not necessarily saying that again. I will
listen to Mike Breen call any basketball game. There are
certain voices, Hm, Kevin Harlan an Eagle, like those guys
are money in the bank and doing NHL, you know,

(01:26:08):
I mean that was that's not something you'd watch every day.
But he when he does stuff, it's really it's just
interesting the way to get kind of yes, it's very entertaining,
but Breen is great. But it's like you can you
can just tell how hard he is working and you
can see the difference between the two. I think that's
that's like you talked about, Richard Jefferson said. Jefferson also said,

(01:26:32):
you know, we're gonna get better, and you got to
give us time. We're just kind of getting our chemistry
down and all this and that's fair. It does take
time on any radio program, any broadcast, anything like that.
It does take time to build chemistry, to understand each
other's rhythms, all that kind of stuff. Don't get me wrong,
But that's actually the aesthetics, the sound of it, the

(01:26:54):
way that it comes across. It's not necessarily the lack
of chemistry. It's just the contents not good. It's just
not good. And then halftime is just dreadful, like the
postgame pregame halftime is just awful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
I didn't even know, not even have individual I thought
it was all commercials in thirty seconds try to eight people,
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
That's the worst part. That's the worst part of it.
If it feels so rushed. Oh never did I feel
rushed watching TNT. That's one thing, Like, yeah, the halves
were still the same length, right, Halftime is still the
same length at those games, but it felt so much longer.
Like guys actually talked and had a conversation at halftime
on TNT, Kenny had time to run back and do

(01:27:39):
his thing on the screen. They all had a chance
to comment, But it wasn't like you've got five seconds,
you got five seconds, You've got five seconds. This is
a big blocklin groups, Let's get to the break.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
Yeah, it's ridiculous the way they they say, I mean,
my goodness, many they're like, we got to wrap it up.
I'm taking in the other in the other, okay, thank you,
And you're just wrapping it up. And look, you can't
blame them for sounding rushed.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
And it's not their fault if they don't have time.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Exactly exactly, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
I mean, I mean, how much time does Kendrick Perkins need?
That's it. I mean, there's just there's a lot of
different problems. But this is a cast, right, Like ESBN
knows this is a big broadcast for them. Like this
game seven. I don't know what the number is gonna be,
but it's gonna be high. There's gonna be a lot
of people watching that aren't ordinarily watching, and they know that.

(01:28:29):
At least I think they know. The product's not very good.
There's not much that you can do to fix it here.
You can't superimpose logos the way the NBA has, right,
just try to make it seem more important. But I
just I wish that I felt better about the product.
I was gonna get a chance to watch. I'm not

(01:28:49):
gonna be in the building, so I'm gonna get this.
And it's like, this is not to me. This doesn't
feel like an APOLS broadcast. To me.

Speaker 3 (01:28:58):
You still think it would have been too imposed had
it been like New York in LA And where do
you think the NBA m's have gone out? Gone all out?

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
And did you hear Adam Silvers I went off on
this last week? Okay, so the people that listen regularly
have already heard this, okay, But Adam Silver was on
the broadcast and they were superimposing or not super imposing,
but doing the doing the graphics and everything logo okay,
And he was asked about it on the pregame or whatever,
and he's like, you know, Kendrick knows this, but we

(01:29:27):
took the logos. They think this is new. The logos
were taking off the court, the trophies were taking off
the court like ten years ago. Because players are getting hurt.
They were slipping on the logo and it's like, we
we have tape at him. And at the beginning of
this season, this thing that you call the nd season

(01:29:48):
tournament that were forced to watch that you're trying to
tell us matters right right the ist do you know
what was on the on all those courts, especially when
you got to the championship the trophy, A big trophy,
A huge trophy logo. So you're telling me that you're

(01:30:09):
worried about guys getting injured in the NBA finals by
a logo that would make the floor seem special. But
this nothing happening, doesn't matter tournament. You're gonna let everybody
turn their ankles out there. Then it was put a
trophy out there? Come on, man, like, don't don't play
us for fools, like we're not idiots. Just just own

(01:30:30):
up to it and say, you know, we probably made
a bad decision on that, so we.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Why did they? Yeah, but what's the rationale too? I
don't understand the rationale and making a decision like that,
it can't be financial. So just somebody made a dumb
decision and everybody went along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
Did they make a decision or did they just overlook
think of it?

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
They could have maybe overlooked and then.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
Can you imagine that though, like, gee, it is it
is a it is a big deal. Like it sounds
like you're nitpicking, but you're not. Like the Super Bowl
everything about it screams different. Final four. Everything about it
screams different. World Series. All the gear that they're wearing,
the managers, of course they're they're fitted out now by
New Era, but they have everything looks different to broadcast

(01:31:13):
the music, the way that they fly in, everything looks different,
Stanley Cupp all over the ice. All that looks different,
Like Augusta. The flags are different. They're a different colored
to Augusta than they are anywhere else us open same thing,
Like there's a reason for all that. Like it's supposed
to feel different. It's not supposed to feel like November

(01:31:36):
twentieth in Oklahoma City when you're in Game seven of
the NBA Finals. And I will say this too. These
the logos that they have put on the floor look terrible.
They look so bad, like the fact that they are
not on the actual floor. You can tell you remember
the Raptors a few like fifteen years ago, maybe now ten.

(01:31:56):
Fifteen years ago had like the three D logo on
the baseline, which it looked like yeah, no, no, no,
it just said Raptors or it said Toronto, but it
looked like it looked like a triptych or something like that.
But it wasn't real, and you wouldn't know it. It
would look like it was real till somebody stepped through

(01:32:16):
it and it was like some kind of a graphical
glitch or something that was at least an intriguing idea.
This just looks like we cheaped out like it. Just
none of this feels professional. It doesn't feel special. And
that's like you already have small markets to do it
to this degree. You've really kind of shot yourself in

(01:32:38):
the foot here before you even get to this game.

Speaker 3 (01:32:41):
So I think when you played Game seven in the
sphere in Vegas, you know what I mean about about
that as a new optic. Have something special like that
in Rucker Park. Yeah, there you go. That would be
a lot of fun. That'd be a good idea.

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
I like that. Yeah, I mean play I mean play it. Yeah,
do something different, do something unique, find some way to
make this thing stand out.

Speaker 3 (01:33:02):
How college plays on the aircraft carrier sometimes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:07):
So yeah, now that's that's an exhibition, aren't you. You're
not gonna play your finals on a floating bar.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
But baseball plays a regular season game and feel the
dreams and smaller fields in Pennsylvania and places like that,
they're trying though, they're trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
Yeah, I mean, find a way to make this thing
larger than life, right, even even things that aren't good
or things that aren't as popular as they once were,
or at least you're skeptical of in advance. Like you know,
the World Cup's gonna draw and it looks different the Olympics.
You can't. You can't look on the screen and not

(01:33:42):
see the five or inks right everywhere you are all
the time. How hard is it to make sure that
everyone that just this channel surfing, that's a casual watcher
of anything that really isn't up on sports at all,
sees the finals logo when you're not in commercial break.
So maybe they would stop for about five seconds. Oh wait,

(01:34:05):
they're playing the finals. Maybe I'll stay here. And that
may happen for Game seven, And it probably will because
word of mouth will let people know that there is
a Game seven. People at church will mention it. It'll
get out a little bit. But like if you were
just going through the broadcast and you didn't know any better,
you would never think there was anything important happening. It's
not just another NBA game on a Sunday evening.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
Just another regular season game. You would have no idea
that this was the most important game of the year.
Like you said super Bowl, there's so many aspects and
so many different stories and things to tell. They could
do that all day. I mean it is all day.
You go from early in the morning till till late
at night. The NBA can't do that. And you know,

(01:34:45):
people are kind of sick and tired of people like
Steven A. Smith and those type, and they want something different.
Yeah they.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
You don't say, Well, they do and they and you
can see it in the ratings.

Speaker 3 (01:34:58):
I don't know what you could do to get better.
Maybe bring back some former players or something. I don't know,
but you've really got to mix it up a little bit.
You got to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Yeah, well, I mean they don't have time now.

Speaker 3 (01:35:09):
No, not forget about it now, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
I hope the best for him. I hope the broadcast
is better than I anticipate that it's going to be.
But a lot of their instincts so far have just
been subpar. And a lot of this look and not
the broadcast sodded specifically, but a lot of falls at
Adam Silver's feet. Man, you got to March. Your league
better stop worrying about the NFL and being jealous of
what they've been able to do and actually learn from them.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
Well, he was too busy hoping it wasn't going to
be Indiana and Okahoma sin.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Yeah, that's right. It's too busy crying, crying. What am
I going to do?

Speaker 3 (01:35:41):
Now it's too late. I can't I had all my
eggs in one basket and now it's gone.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
I can't do it. Yeah, So we'll predict the NBA.
We'll predict Game seven. At the end of the program,
we are going to talk a little bit about Shador
Sanders and not the best week for him nor Yeah,
as well as a little bit the NBA drafts and
free agency stuff. We haven't talked about Kevin Durant potentially
punching Bradley Beal yet.

Speaker 3 (01:36:05):
Twice not ones twice, two different times.

Speaker 2 (01:36:08):
Yeah, So we're gonna talk about all of that. So
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(01:36:31):
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Speaker 3 (01:36:49):
That was a good time. Have you seen that yet
or no?

Speaker 2 (01:36:51):
Yeah, we talked about it. Yeah, a couple of years
ago when we were doing this show together and my
wife and I enjoyed watching that.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
That was a good time with something else.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Man, you won and good stuff. Yeah, didn't get to
take you won, but then you ended up not being
able to take anything right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
No, no, trip to Micronesia. Didn't get the turtle waxed
and I really wanted the rice aroni. I really like
rice aroni, but didn't get to get that either. Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:17):
Well did you buy someonehen you got home? Yeah? Well no,
we didn't get anything.

Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
That was just I was so bad. We didn't get
any We didn't take any of the trips. We had
a year to take them, but I wasn't allowed to
go with anybody else and my wife was pregnant, so,
but usually the trips were to Hawaii. I don't know
why they decided to give a trip to Micronesia.

Speaker 2 (01:37:36):
All of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (01:37:37):
Where is micro I don't know, by Guam or something?

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Okay, I was I was just gonna put you on
the spots. See if you actually knew where that trip
would have sent you.

Speaker 3 (01:37:45):
Yeah, yeah, exactly past that right, yeah, it past like
four hours?

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Like where's Guam? Though? Yeah, well, don't that point too much? Yeah?
Exactly near Greenland, right, Arnie. Where's Durant gonna play next year? Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:38:04):
Well, if you take a look at the Vegas odds,
what do they say in what San Antonio? Detroit?

Speaker 2 (01:38:10):
You see he said no to Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Uh yeah, he didn't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
He doesn't think it's the best news. I think that's
the best news for Anthony Edwards.

Speaker 3 (01:38:17):
Oh that he's like, it's not the question where he's
going to play. The question is does he still have
an appeal out there? Does he still have it? Do
people still want him? What do you want to give
up for for somebody like him? Is he a guy
that's going to take you to a championship or is
he another guy that's just chasing a ring and is
only a small part of winning a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:38:38):
I don't know if he's already won a couple of championships,
aren't he so? I mean he's not like chasing his
first ring or anything like that, right, No, well chasing
you Yeah, I know he's not because rings don't matter.
I I'm kind of I'm not sure. Like if he
goes to Houston, I can understand, right, they're a young team. Now,
the question is how much do you have to give

(01:38:59):
up to get it him? And then are you still.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
Good if you had to give him too much?

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
Phoenix had to do that already, san Antonio. You want
to keep Castle, you want to keep Fox, you want
to keep Wemby. If you're able to give up the
draft pick and get him, maybe you maybe you look
at it from that perspective. But the problem I have
with him going to Minnesota was I feel like he
would be the worst influence on Anthony Edwards because I
don't want Anthony Edwards to trend to be Durant. Where

(01:39:24):
Durant is just an all out great basketball player. He's
a baller, but he has no interest in being a leader. Bro.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
He needs somebody. I mean, look how far Anthony Edwards
took him. He just needed that one extra person. Didn't
have towns this year, so UH needs that another person
to go and get him over the hump. They look
good in the playoffs though.

Speaker 2 (01:39:41):
Yeah, but they need a leader. And maybe he is
going to develop into that, but I think he has
to have somebody that can mentor him into that role.
And maybe that guy's there, maybe it's like a Mike
Conley here or somebody like that, but I still want
to see that step taken. And I don't think Durant
like Durant couldn't win with I mean, he could win
a championship with Devin Booker. He's gonna go to Minnesota

(01:40:03):
and it's gonna be all that much better. No, so
he's saying no to that. But the bigger thing is
this story. I don't do you believe this story? Do
you believe that Kevin Durant punched Bradley Beale when he
found out Beale wouldn't wave his no trade cause well,
there was two things.

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
One that he was gonna punch him or did punch him,
but he wouldn't wave his no trade cause another one was,
which I think it's better, was that he wouldn't change
the music from Kendrick to Drake or something or vice versa.
That to me is a lot funnier. But yeah, I
do believe something went on. It was a first of all,
not only was a reported by a few different people.

(01:40:41):
Then Kevin Durant took the Twitter and tried to throw
up the big denials out there, going I'm gonna have
to punt on this story and say and stuff like that.
I totally believe it. I think that's the reason why.
And I think there was a lot of animasi in
that locker room. More so then we knew during the
course of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Well Bill wasn't a good fit. I think a lot
of us believed he wasn't a good fit from there,
and I guess he happened.

Speaker 3 (01:41:06):
He didn't want to wave his no trade but I
guess his family loved it there and they want to
be there, so they wouldn't wave the no trade contract.

Speaker 2 (01:41:13):
Did you also see that the Suns believe I'm not
sure where I read this, but I saw it in
multiple locations that the Suns feel like if the rant
moves on, if they get out from underneath the rant
that they feel like they're confident Buell can perform up
to the level of what they've paid him.

Speaker 3 (01:41:29):
No, I didn't forget about that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:31):
There is no way, man. And even even if he does,
how'd that work out for Washington? Like, okay, let's say
he goes out there and balls out from from the
perspective of shooting the way that he has during his career.
He's a high volume player when it comes to that.
But like you know, him and John Wall had a
good moment together, and Beal was known for being a
pretty positive influence and a dude that was doing a

(01:41:53):
lot for Washington, scoring a lot of points. He's scored
a lot of points and they won squat.

Speaker 3 (01:41:58):
Right, you're one hundred percent right. Those days are over.
Bal's not gonna do anything for you, just another piece
that doesn't fit into the puzzle. And the Sons have
got some major problems as to where Durant's going. I
just hope it's not to my New York Knicks. They
don't need him. There's more, No, they don't everybody. You know,
I'd rather them go after Jannis and you know, we'll

(01:42:21):
see what we give up. But I'm telling you now,
no appeal for Kevin Durant going to New York.

Speaker 2 (01:42:27):
I'd seen, like, is that too big a swing for
the Knicks to go for Durant. I'm like, no, it's
just not the right swing. It's just that's that's not
the move that you make right now. I thought the
problem is you need to make sure he's there to
play in the playoffs. And I mean, dude, ever since
what happened to him in Golden State, right he's just
been an injury waiting to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
I thought the Lakers would have been a good spot
for him and just give him that third option along
with Lebron and Luca. Then all of a sudden, we're
talking about a team that can go deep in to
the playoffs. I just don't know if Luca and could.

Speaker 2 (01:43:03):
Do you think Luca and KD could co exist well?
Because I don't because they both need the ball so often.
I know, yeah, but I'm talking about the amount of
shots like Durant. Durant needs the ball to score a lot.
Lebron needs the ball to facilitate. He'll he'll be willing
to facilitate. But Luca and Kevin Durant are more high

(01:43:26):
volume scorer type players. Well you're talking look at them,
and I say, I don't know how that works.

Speaker 3 (01:43:30):
Well, you're talking about the playoffs, because during the regular season,
Lebron's gonna have to take a step back and he's
not even gonna come close to playing eighty whatever eighty
two games. I think I see him more in the
fifty five to sixty range and anything else. So they
need people that could, you know, eat up, eat up
away some of those games away.

Speaker 2 (01:43:49):
Who would you rather have next season? Paul Georgia, Bradley Beal.

Speaker 3 (01:43:53):
Oh, I'm not a fan upon George. Gosh, you gave
me two guys. I guess i'd rather.

Speaker 2 (01:43:57):
Have be And I mean on the basketball floor, not
on a podcast.

Speaker 3 (01:44:02):
I guess Paul George. But I'm not a fan of his.
He costs so much, and that's got to be a factor.
If you're not talking about money, it'd have to be
Paul George.

Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
That's the way I would go. Then how about Paul
George Bradley Beal or Russell Westbrook?

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Interesting, that's hilarious, right, Think about what you thought of
Russell Westbrook a couple of years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:44:22):
I always liked Russe. I always liked Russell Westbrook. I
never wavered from that. I never turned on him, always
was a fan of his. I knew he wasn't the
best shooter, but I think he's a great guy, classy guy,
and he does so many things. I'm always been a
Russell Westbrook fan.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Look, I'm a Thunder guy, So I mean I tend
towards your I mean there's definitely some flaws in Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 3 (01:44:46):
Well think wrong, think about.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
That Lakers thing was not the Lakers thing was just
that should never have happened.

Speaker 3 (01:44:52):
You're one game away from a championship, and all it
took was for you to trade away three Hall of famers, Right,
but a prime too or before their prime?

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Well you had three at the same time, right, I
mean had that mean they got beat and they got
beat against that Miami squad. But like I think the
bigger thing is this, all we had to do to
get to a Game seven. All the Thunder had to
do was tray Paul George for SGA, right, and multiple
draft picks that are still paying off now, like one

(01:45:26):
of them became Jamal Williams. Like you think about all that,
Like how that work out for the Clippers.

Speaker 3 (01:45:32):
Well, it didn't work out for the Clippers at all.
They know it, didn't know that that team's a mess
all so they you know, too many, too many people
that want the ball, and it's just horrible. But yeah,
I think Oklahoma City right now, it was in a
good position. They get rid of three all of famers,
there are one win away from winning a championship. They're
a six and a half point favorite. I like him tomorrow.

(01:45:54):
I think we're on the reestimating about what that home
field is going to do for them.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
So to that point, we talked about this last week
on the show Torres and I did, and now I
just kind of want to get your thoughts on it.
Who do you think between the Thunder and the Pacers
need this championship more.

Speaker 3 (01:46:16):
In what way?

Speaker 2 (01:46:17):
Like for the city, for the well, you can take
it however you want to do it. But like the
way that I looked at it was which one has
the better chance to do this again? And which one?
Do you feel like this is the only shot? Like
they found themselves in the perfect position, but they certainly
cannot expect to be doing this regularly.

Speaker 3 (01:46:38):
I feel like it's just the beginning for Oklahoma City
and just them winning. This could be the start of
something wonderful where they can win I don't know, three
or five or go on a little bit of a
one like san Antonio did, even though san Antonio never
won back to back, I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
But the West is tough man.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
Right, right, So there's no doubt about that. I think
the Pacers window is going to be real short after this.
Miles Turner, is he gonna be coming back. I don't
think he's coming back.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
Somebody's going He's gonna get paid this offseason. The question
is is he still gonna be in Indiana or is
somebody else gonna snack him?

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:47:13):
And Indiana did finish as a sixth seed, so give
him credit for the run. I don't know if they
could do that every year. So I think it's a
big game for Oklahoma City if it's the start of
something wonderful, but it's probably bigger for Indiana because this
is probably the last go around for them.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
All right, So last year they were close. This year
they make it to the finals. And I still just
think because it's Indiana, we still are just like, yeah,
it's not gonna happen again. We're still betting against them
even now, even if they.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Were a sixth seed, though they're not. You're not supposed
to be doing that coming out coming out of the
sixth seed. That's why we're not giving them credit. Not
so much because of their talent.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
They define show credit.

Speaker 3 (01:47:51):
Their coach, Oh phenomenal. I was asking a friend of mine,
why did Dallas let him go?

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Was it just time? I guess he didn't get along
with a lot of people in that organization.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
From what I understood, Well, he landed on his feet.
We can say that, let's get to the saga one
final time. We will predict the NBA Finals and the
final segment will lead to Sega. After he does his update,
we'll let him also tell us who's gonna win.

Speaker 6 (01:48:21):
I have thought it would be over by now. And
then Oklahoma City. Of course, they're the better team, and
they're at home and it's a great home crown. Of
course they should win. And as far as the pressure,
the team that win any season, the team that wins
sixty eight games should be the one feeling the pressure, Like,
my goodness, we better win.

Speaker 3 (01:48:37):
I'm still sticking with the Knicks to win I'm still
sticking with them.

Speaker 6 (01:48:41):
By the way, the answer to your previous Paul George
question is Paul George. Any team needs to acquire Paul
George because then you can trade him away and make the.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Finals as these points each time exactly. That's an excellent point.

Speaker 6 (01:48:56):
NBA Finals Game seven is Sunday. By the way, there
were two w NBA games to nine, one at Chicago.
Chicago's three and nine. They got the doors blown off
one oh seven eighty six by Phoenix. Angel Rees of
Chicago had nine points and two rebounds in twenty one minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:49:12):
She means, yeah, two of them.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
You have to pay for that, don't you When you're
that tall comparatively, can't you get four rebounds by accident?

Speaker 2 (01:49:21):
In four quarters?

Speaker 6 (01:49:22):
She had twenty one minutes on the court and was
one of one shooting from the floor. Minnesota is twelve
and one after beating La eighty two sixty six. US
men soccer plays against Sunday on Fox TV against Haiti
and the Gold Cup Tournament. The next IndyCar race on
Fox is Sunday at Road America, Wisconsin. Denny Hamlin are
in the poll for Sunday's NASCAR event at Pocono Tommy

(01:49:43):
Fleetwood leads the Travelers by three strokes. UFC fighter John
Jones retired and the College Baseball World Series Finals best
of three started tonight with an LSU one nothing victory
over Coastal Carolina, which had gone two months without losing
a game. A twenty six game winning streak ended tonight
the win to LSU's Kate Anderson. A complete game, three hitter,

(01:50:05):
ten strikeouts, five walks, one hundred and thirty pitches thrown.

Speaker 3 (01:50:09):
I still say it sounds more like a vacation destination
than the college. Well, we're going to vacation as the
Coast Coast Carolin.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
Yeah, it does sound good.

Speaker 6 (01:50:17):
And by the way, people have commented that this has
got to be one of the better uniform matchups in
any finals in any sports, where you get the purple
against the teal. The pitcher for the Yankees today in
New York was Clerk Schmidt. Got the win against Baltimore
nine to nothing. He threw seven no hit innings, came
out after one hundred three pitches, did walk a couple.

(01:50:38):
Yankees hit four solo homers in the first five innings
nine hit. The final, the Orioles offense went one for
twenty eight, and the Mets hit a record tying seven
solo homers, including three straight in the third inning. Mets
one at Philadelphia eleven to four to and the seven
game losing streak. The Mets in Phillies now tied for
first in the NL East. Milwaukee one nine nothing at Minnesota.

(01:51:01):
Victories at home for Tampa Bay and for Saint Louis,
which has won five straight. Got an eleven inning win
over the Red six to five. Cubs beat Seattle ten
to seven. Cubs led nine to one in the third
at Wrigley and by the way, Cubs pitcher show to
Emonaga will return from the injured list next week. The
Mariners Cal Raley hit his thirtieth homer. Atlanta pitcher Chris
Sale is on the injured list with a fractured rib.

(01:51:23):
Cage Braves won seven nothing at Miami, victories for Toronto
and Texas. Wins for San Diego and San Francisco, which
was up three to nothing in the ninth and beat
Boston three to two. Rafael Devers X of the Red
Sox hit a two run homer. Arizona won five to
three at Colorado. The Rockies record now seventeen and sixty
and at home. According to STATSIG, just the home games

(01:51:46):
this season, the Rockies have been outscored by one hundred
and twenty five runs already. Oh that is the worst
run differential through thirty five home games of any season
by any Major League team since the eighteen ninety seven
Saint Louis Brown's. The Rockies home record is seven and
twenty nine and the Diamondbacks again did not have outfielder

(01:52:09):
Corbyn Carrol out again with the hand injury for a
third straight game. Henneyo Suarez did his twenty fifth homer.
It was the Angels nine one over Houston. The Houston
offense three for thirty thirteen, strikeout Cleveland with four runs
in the second one four to two at the A's,
and Washington hit five home runs and beat the Dodgers
seven to three. Pitchers show, hey Otani of LA will

(01:52:30):
start Sunday back.

Speaker 2 (01:52:30):
To you, thank you Steve I one four evenings.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
They should saw Thanks Day. They should fight.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Great day Sunday.

Speaker 3 (01:52:37):
But you know yes, by the way, they should follow
the guys on the Rockies next year and see if
they are still in baseball or where they end up.
The out of how bad they really are.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Man, you're playing Corsefield. You're supposed to have that offense.

Speaker 3 (01:52:50):
Yeah, you got nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
The altitude. Man, that's a rough that's a rough ticket
right now. That's rough. It's absolutely terrible ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
Did you see that the Savannah Bananas were playing there
and their tickets were like what, eighteen hundred dollars on
the secondary market.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
I'm still kind of just mind boggled by how many
people come out to see them.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
Oh, that's a great story.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
I'm not saying it's a bad story. I'm just kind
of I'm just blown away by it.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
I want to that. Weren't they in Tennessee not too
long ago?

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
Yes, they were. They were at Gissan Stadium. I think
here they're different, Like fifty sixty thousand to watch their stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:53:31):
Yeah, they they sell out football stadiums.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
Yeah, that's that's insane. That is crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
That's great. I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
Though, I love it. We'll come back. We are going
to predict Game seven. Yeah, finally, even though Arnie's kind
of teased it already what he's going to do with this,
But we'll break it down. We'll let you know exactly
what we think is going to happen before we get
out of here. Maybe we'll talk a little bit of
a little bit of the draft, but I think we'll
come back and just touch quickly on a couple of

(01:54:00):
speeding tickets that were in the news over the past
few days. So stick around. We got one more segment
after this break. He's ONNYE spanning. I'm Jason Martin. This
is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
I love this guy, man.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
I almost forgot this existed.

Speaker 3 (01:54:17):
I love that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
I nearly fractured my next shake care biz marque disdain,
I do miss biz Marquis.

Speaker 3 (01:54:28):
Yeah, he passed away. Sounds good there, though.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
If he hadn't, he would have. Now that's Ernie Spanier
laughing and singing. If you can believe it. I'm Jason Martin.
Torres will be back with me. Aaron Torres will be
back with me next week. Arnie. I've got a couple
of speeding tickets in my day. Chador has gotten a

(01:54:58):
couple recently, chadors SA that is going over one hundred
and sixty five multiple times got asked about it. Talked
at a celebrity softball game, like I think a Cleveland
rapper he was hanging out with like kind of tried
to say he didn't do anything wrong, and then Shador's like,
I've made a couple of bad decisions. Big big thing,

(01:55:20):
little thing, red flag? How are you feeling about it?

Speaker 3 (01:55:22):
It's not a big thing. It's not even a red flag.
Well it's maybe it's a red flag if he would
have gotten one. Now it's a red flag, and it's
a big deal because he's gotten two. It's also a
red flag and a big deal because he was doing
over one hundred miles an hour.

Speaker 2 (01:55:37):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:55:39):
You know, I heard people go, well, we all did
that as kids, and I, you know, I have a
story about what I did. But you want to ask
the former Raider wide receiver rug I.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Was about to was, that's exactly the same person I
thought about. Yeah, you're going exactly where I same.

Speaker 3 (01:55:55):
Thing exactly If he feels like it's a red flag
or or no big deal, you know, I'll never forget this.
I was seventeen years old, and I'll make this story quick.
I was seventeen years old. My parents never had any
money at all. We came from the Bronx, New York.
We had moved to Los Angeles. We were like the
Beverly Hillbillies. My dad went out shooting in some food.

(01:56:17):
Up came some oil and we moved out to Los Angeles.
So when we moved out there, my parents bought me
a Porsche. Okay, you ready for that? A Porsche, and
I was driving it like a I can't even use
the word like I was, and I got pulled over
by the police, and I thought I was going to
get a ticket. To this day, this was gosh, forty

(01:56:39):
something years ago. And the cop goes, I ought to
pull you out of this car right now and beat
your blank It's people like it's kids like you that
drive around with their head up there, blank and blank.
And this guy let me have it. I mean for
a good fifteen minutes. And I wasn't gonna write me

(01:57:00):
a ticket. He just said, I'm for fifteen minutes, I'm
going to berate the hell out of you. And at
the end, you're not gonna know if I'm gonna put
you out of his car and beat your aunt.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
I wish that you that I just gave you a ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
Never forgot it in my life. And I sat there
after he left and I was shook it up.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Man, I'm like, wow, and you haven't driven one mile
an hour over.

Speaker 3 (01:57:21):
The set limit to right. I don't, well, you know,
maybe I happened. I didn't do what I was doing
back in the day when I had a Porsche doing
eighty and ninety and one hundred. I learned my lesson.
He really shook me up. This was maybe the carriage days, right,
thank you. Maybe maybe that's your carriage, Yeah, exactly, Maybe

(01:57:42):
that's what should do her needs. But yeah, it is
a big deal because it happened twice and I didn't
see the video. Was he rude to the police officer?
I heard a rumor that he that he was rude.
I can't believe that was that true or what problem is?

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
There's a microscope on everything he does, so right, this
is the kind of stuff you can do, not at all,
You just can't at anyway. You mentioned you mentioned Henry Ruggs. Yeah,
Henry Ruggs was actually at a Hope for Prisoners event. Yes, yes,
in Vegas and his comments actually have him in front
of me. It's both heartbreaking, but it does show growth,

(01:58:18):
like there's not anything you can do to do anything
he said. He said at the event, like he was
asked what he would say to the family, and he said,
I wish I could turn back the hands of time.
I would love for them to meet the real Henry
Ruggs and not the one that was escaping for something.
I sincerely apologize for not only being a part of
that situation, but the fact my face is always in

(01:58:39):
the news. It's always in the newspapers, so they have
to constantly be reminded of the situation, be reminded of me.
That's a direct quote.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Real quick, I want to say, you know, I had
Bill Guttwiler on. You guys won't know who he was.
His wife was killed accidentally in a car crash and
the other car was driven by Leonard Little, the former NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:59:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember that story. Yeah, And it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:03):
Is just heartbreaking. And I've had Bill on a couple
of times. It just shakes you up to the core,
absolutely shit.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Feel up to the court, like what Henry Ruggs did
and one hundred and fifty six miles per hour and
just his comments like you can see that remorse, you
can see that he realizes the effects. And of course
he'll be in jail now for three to ten years
or whatever. It is, all right, you got the thunder right.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
I'm going with the Thunder by eight points four one six.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
That's about where I am. I think they'll win it
by double digits. I think I'll be wearing my hat
all day tomorrow my Thunder hat as well. Bernie Frado
follows us. Always a pleasure.

Speaker 3 (01:59:40):
I appreciate you, brother, He's up next. Thank you for
having me my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
All right, guys, enjoy your Sunday Game Seven's the best
time in sports.

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