Mark Willard & Ephraim Salaam Talk Sticking Flags In Opponents Fields, Blizzards In Buffalo, Jets Need To Culture Change, And More!!

Mark Willard and Ephraim Salaam talk about teams putting flags in the middle of opponent's fields and brawling, especially in the Ohio State vs Michigan game. Mark and Ephraim also react to the blizzard game going on with the Bills beating down the 49ers on SNF in Buffalo. Plus, the guys talk about how the Jets really need to change their culture and start over everywhere, how annoying the Chiefs really are, is it Michael Penix time in Atlanta, and more!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay, let's ride Week thirteen National Football League, and my gosh,
there's a lot to get to. It's a winter wonderland
in the game that we're all about to watch together.
But there's only one way to start, one way to start.
And I mean this for Captain Steve de Seger and
Patrick and Mary and certainly you Ephraim.

Speaker 3 (00:28):
Thankful.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
I'm thankful for you guys, and I'm thankful that we
get to do this every single Sunday night, wrapping everything up,
putting a bow on everything. I appreciate you. Happy Thanksgiving
and let's ride on into the holidays.

Speaker 4 (00:41):
Man, friend, Absolutely, how was it? It was great? Okay,
what you did great?

Speaker 5 (00:51):
We had a friend giving, just went over our friend's
house and you know, laughed, ate, talked, that's it, yelled
at the kids.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
That's all just Anno's.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
I think that's I think that's the way you're supposed to.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Do that standard. Yeah, yeah, that's that's the way. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
If you didn't, by the way, be thankful for this too.
If you didn't get mad at anybody this week, not
doing it right, not doing it right right, because anger
is an emotion that means there's some care in there.
Be thankful that there's somebody you care about in your
life who maybe cares about you too.

Speaker 5 (01:24):
Anyway, you don't listen to you, so either one just oh.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Day freaking men. Anyway, boy, I could tell you a
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and the food and everything, it is all worth celebrating.
And even so we are a very very heavy NFL show.

(02:04):
I want to start with something that happened yesterday, and
that's the key word celebration. I'd like you to explain
this to me because I think that there's plenty to
say on both sides of this conversation. There's a lot
to get to. But I'd like to start with this
question when is it not okay to celebrate?

Speaker 3 (02:30):
And how? Because the reason I.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Asked that question, I would argue, and I'm not saying
there's anything wrong with this, I would argue that we
have actually taken glorifying celebration to an art form in
sports in the last decade or so. You are now
allowed to do all kinds of things after a touchdown

(02:57):
that you couldn't do before because we, as fans demand it.
We want to see that expression. Major League Baseball came
up with a marketing phrase called let the kids Play.
And the reason they did that is because we wanted
to send the message that it's all right if you
hit one into the upper tank, take a look at

(03:19):
it for a minute, admire your work. It's okay. Hey, pitchers,
chill out. Stop throwing the ball at everybody. That's not equality.
Just because you're mad because somebody is happy that they
celebrated on you does not mean you get to huck
a ball at their head at ninety seven miles an hour.
That's not the punishment. Finish it fitting the crime. So

(03:43):
if we're going to bounce around to every sport and
say please celebrate, pull a sharpie out of your sock,
do it. Celebrate now all of the sudden. Oh, but
don't plan a flag at the fifty.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
You can't do that. That is offensive. It's over the top.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
It is absolutely totally different than Check's notes everything else
I see in sports everywhere every day.

Speaker 3 (04:19):
From explain it to me.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
Okay, So celebration is one thing being disrespect Like I
can celebrate a touchdown with the dance are with you
know whatever, I can choreograph it. I can do it
by myself. I can any of that. But being disrespectful, right,
that's sole case in point. Everybody went somewhere this Thanksgiving,

(04:43):
you know hopefully whether it was that where you whether
you were hosting or you were being entertained. Correct, yes,
And so if I come over to the Willard household
and we you like to play Dominoes, right, okay, and
we're playing Dominoes and we're competing, and I win at

(05:08):
Domino's instead of getting up and doing my own dance
or whatever, I stand on your kitchen table, mm take
my shirt off, right and pour gravy down my chest
in your house, I step on your couch.

Speaker 4 (05:30):
Right like that. That's not celebrating.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
That's different, brothers, that's different. You're gonna break my table.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:39):
But what I'm what I'm saying is there's there's shoes off,
no different, just outside feet just holding the shoes on
the on the table. So what listen, what I'm saying
is you beat the team, you get together as a team,
you're waving by to the fans, you're happy and all

(06:01):
of that. But then you want to take something and
just in their house, right, and you take it to
be disrespectful now right, So like now this is my house.
If I beat you in Domino's and I tell your
wife or your girlfriend, I'm the man at a house,
now you got to address me. I tell your kids
I'm your daddy, now right, all in celebrating, you get

(06:25):
what I'm saying, Like, there's a different there's a certain
way rivalry games will always be like that. You can't
and the only reason you would try to plant your
flag on someone else's field is to be disrespectful, not
to celebrate.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Not necessarily? And I'll tell you why. I'll tell you
why I can agree with you on everything you just
said if we then are willing to point out the
twenty five other examples in sports that I would argue
are the same damn thing that we allow all the time.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
I want to know why is that disrespectful?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
But tera Owens can stand on the star and we
we played the highlight every year.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
Well he didn't stand on sermon. What happened to him?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Oh what? Someone hit him? Big deal? He came to start.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Nobody got Pepper sprayed for crying out loud.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
Because.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
Yes, go ahead ahead, okay, Like to a picture, to
a picture, if I take one into the upper tank.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
And I stand there at home plate and pirouette and
point at that picture before I then head around the bases,
you would argue, that's being respectful. How about I know
that you are a follower of the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Do you remember, I would say someone in the neighborhood
is seven or eight years ago they won a playoff

(07:58):
series in Arizona, and what did they do? They all
jumped the right field fence and went in the pool.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Different you are you?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
I mean you're disrobing in the in the the home
of the other team and hopping into their pool.

Speaker 3 (08:19):
That's no different than standing on my table with gravy.

Speaker 7 (08:22):
I would argue, okay, that's the always not mad at
any of those things.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Were only mad at this.

Speaker 5 (08:27):
I don't know if we weren't mad at that, because
that's disrespectful as well. Like I'm not arguing against celebration.
I'm not arguing against other things that have been done
that have crossed the line. I'm arguing about the crossing
the line. I'm not you know, it's peas and carrots,

(08:49):
right Like, if you cross the line, Yeah, you stripped
down in somebody else's stadium and you jump in the pool,
that's crossing the line. I'm not arguing that, right. What
I'm saying is, if you're going to celebrate, the best
way for me to come to your house mark and
beat you in Domino's is to grab your wife or
your woman and kiss them and slap your kids on

(09:11):
the back of the head, tell them to go up
and clean their room, and sit down on the couch
and put my feet up on your couch. That's the
best way to be disrespectful in your home. Well, r
if we're playing a sport, me planting my flag in
the middle of the field, are in the end zone
to signify that now I own this house.

Speaker 4 (09:33):
That's the just want to.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Be sure, Yeah, I want to be sure that my
point is understood, which is that I'm not disagreeing that
that could be perceived as disrespectful. What I don't understand
is why all of the other things are not handled
the same way, where we don't say, yes, it's okay,
it's okay to fight, it's okay to start throwing coaches

(09:56):
on the ground, it's okay for media members to start
getting flung everywhere. It's okay for that because someone planted
a flag, I would argue, and I'm not like, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Going to get too deep into this weed, but you and.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
I have had this conversation about what's happened in politics,
for example, in the last decade in this country. I
would argue that our country has very clearly sent a
message we are damn cool with disrespect. We are wildly cool.

(10:32):
And that's only one example I like exactly. We could
go politics, we could go sports, we could go we
could go to any local high school and look at
the way whether it's teachers are spoken to, parents are
spoken to. And I know every time someone turns fifty
they always feel.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
That way about the world. Oh it's going to hell
in a hand basket.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
But to me, that's a very very clear message that
has been sent in this country. We're cool with disrespect,
and so that's all I'm trying to explore tonight is
why does this.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Trigger so many people so much? Would so many other
things don't.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
I think because of the spectacle of it. I think
because of what immediately transpires after, Like for whatever reason,
police decided to use pepper spray, which is crazy inappropriate
to me. So it's we know that's the oldest rivalry

(11:33):
in college in sports, right.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
We know what we know what that is.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
This isn't the first time at the end of the
game it's been contentious between Michigan and Ohio State.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Like we know the guy who was.

Speaker 5 (11:47):
Planning the flag in the middle of the field knew
exactly what he was about to insight and what he
was about to do. We know, just like if they
would have come to Michigan and done the same thing.
You know, once when you're inciting something, once you're getting
ready to do something, once you're getting ready to be disrespectful,

(12:08):
you know that you're about to be disrespectful and you're
prepared for whatever comes after that. And so to say
that nothing should have happened is ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Just like I said, you.

Speaker 5 (12:24):
Would be like, yo, man, you got to get out
my house, all right, get your hands off my woman,
leave my kids alone. You got to get out my house,
right or if I just beat you in dominoes and
then I just moved a bunch of my stuff in
your bedroom and now I'm in there right like it's
I can celebrate beating you without being disrespectful. I'm a

(12:46):
coach of nine to twelve year olds, and so when
I have a ten year old or a nine year
old come down and shoot a three, and then they
do the goggles, the three gogles, or they point to
the veins with the three, I immediately call time out,
pull them out, and you've got to come over here, ye,

(13:09):
Because the message I'm sending to these kids is number one,
you're not good enough to do that yet. You haven't
earned the right to do that. So don't just watch
the NBA and think that you're that. I don't mind celebrating,
I said, do you know when we'll celebrate. We'll celebrate

(13:30):
at the end of the game in the back, when
we're talking about what happened in the game. That's when
we celebrate. Because while you're doing the goggles and you
bump on your chest, the other team is not taking
the ball out of bounds, going down and shot a layup.
Because you're not worried about what you're actually doing. When
the celebration becomes bigger than the game, we have a problem.

(13:55):
That's the problem with youth sports now. Fair Enough, when
you watch aau Are Pop one er or our little league,
the celebrating has become bigger than what the actual game is.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
And I have a problem with it.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I get that. I get that.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Plus, you should tell your kids that the goggles is
for when you make a nice pass.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
It's not for when you make a shot.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
No, because they put the threes on top of their heads.
They put the doggle with three and do all. I'm like,
get out of here, man, all right here.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
I got a question for you then, which I'll ask
coming up next. Is this a fair thing for basically
someone to sit down and say to anybody with Ohio
State who got mad yesterday? I want to ask that
to you next. We'll also get ready. Kick off is
five minutes away with the Bills and forty nine ers.
We need to talk about the Ravens Special Team. We

(14:52):
need to talk about what happened at the end of
that Chiefs Raiders game. We got to talk about the
hit on Trevor Lawrence we got to talk about they're
not You're back in the saddle with Bryce Young. I
know they lost, but anyway, all of that is ahead
and we're glad you're with us tonight.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:22):
Live all right with you from Salama Mark Willard, and
we are live ind tire rack dot com studios. Hey,
kickoff is right now. Tell me about playing in snow
and what's your experience.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Yeah, it's not fun, it's cold, it's painful. Uh, it's blinding,
like breaking the huddle, turning and come up to the line.
And the slow doesn't fall Snow doesn't fall down, it

(16:01):
falls directionally.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
The kind of sideways.

Speaker 4 (16:03):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
So if you're you know, walking into the wind, you're
going to be snowed into your eyeballs while you're in
your stance ready to play, like that's what's about to happen.
You're going to be trying to wipe your face. It's

(16:24):
a snowflake. I don't know if you've ever had a
snowflake land on your eyeball.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
But yeah, like I've been in I've been in the
snow and had it whacked me right in the face.

Speaker 3 (16:33):
Yeah, you know what.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
I've always wondered though, Like Josh Allen's from California, and
I get that he's been playing in the league for
a minute, but he's from.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
The Central Valley. It's hot there.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, And I always wonder when people go, oh, the
Bills are used to it and the Niners are not.
I'm like, the Bills are made up of every football
team is a total melting pot.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
These are dudes, all kinds of dudes from all kinds
of places.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
Yeah, but then that maybe if you've been there for
a decade or something, maybe you've had a little bit
more experience with it.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
But it's not like it snows every Bills game.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Can they?

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Can you truly lay claim if you're a poker or
a Bill that like, Yep, we're used to it.

Speaker 5 (17:15):
Yeah you can because number one, Josh is from California,
but he went to school in Wyoming. True, and brother
Wyoming looks just like this right now. Okay, I remember
I broke my finger in Laramie, Wyoming, when it was
freezing cold, and I remember, uh, well, I dislocated my finger.

(17:36):
They snapped it back and then they I stuck it
in the uh in the snow bank that was right
next to the bench, Uh to you know, to keep
it cool.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
That that's that this is that type of weather.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
And so he's had plenty of time to get acclimated
to this weather because he played in college in the weather.

Speaker 4 (18:01):
And although there are players.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
That come from all over, once you live in it
and you're in it every day, you have to go outside,
you have to drive in it, you have to practice
in it sometimes, then you do become used to it.
It is easier to convince yourself to go out there
and play in it and for it not to bother you. Now,

(18:23):
when you come from California and you have to go
play in this, it's different. I went to Denver, right
I left California, went to Atlanta for four years, and
went to Denver, and I remember I went into the mall.
Now Denver's notorious for snow floor. It's like two hours boom,
whole city covered. Two hours later it's gone. And so

(18:45):
I remember going into the mall, went to the movies,
hung out in the mall, came out of the mall
and the whole city was covered in snow.

Speaker 4 (18:54):
I said, what.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Happened?

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Like four hours? What happened?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
So I go out to my navigator and had the
rims on it and all of that, and I couldn't
drive it. I had high profile, low profile tires on
it and all of that. So I had it told
to the Chevrolet dealership and I bought a Hummer, the
H two. I brought a Hummer so I could drive

(19:22):
home in the snow. Yeah, but over time you get
used to it. It's more altitude than anything in Denver.
Like I have played at Denver and the snow has
been on my face. I have a funny story that
my wife, when we were dating, she came out when
she wasn't on tour, she would come out and watch

(19:43):
me play. And she came out and it was a
snowy day, come home before the game. Had to pick
her up and we go to the game together and
I saw her putting on her ugs. This is when
ugs had.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Just come out. They were all the rage. Everybody had hugs.
And I was like, hey, baby, you might want to
put some socks onto Oh no, these are ugs.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
These are the Australians, and maybe I'm like, hey, look
all right, okay, okay, So somewhere in the you know,
at the end of the first quarter some I'm looking
up in the stands and I don't see her.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
I'm like, where does she go?

Speaker 5 (20:20):
I find out after the game that she had had
spent some time in the family room underneath the stadium
because she almost had frostbite on her toes. I said, baby,
this is not ug weather. Baby, this is not ug weather. Okay,
we you better put on some socks. Okay, this is
lose your toes weather. Right, But we live and we learned.

(20:41):
So yes, it is going to affect the forty nine
ers players more.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
Than they would affect the people who live in it.
Driving it like.

Speaker 5 (20:49):
Yesterday, right, it was snowing yesterday in Buffalo, or Friday
it was snowing like you it was seventy four degrees
in San Francisco on Friday.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
Right right right, I'm here in seventy four is a
little a little over the top, but no, it's it's
it's a sunny Thanksgiving in California this week, yes, and
and so uh anyway, the Bills went three and out
and uh, and I actually gonna yeah, they're gonna move
the chains into Bill's territory on their first cent of downs.

(21:22):
But I'll also say this, this game is not what
we were told it was gonna be. We're getting pictures
over the last twenty four hours of the Bill Stadium
completely under snow, however we were told. But they're going
to plow that thing and they'll get the shovels out
and the snow will expected to be stopped by game time.

(21:47):
It's snowing like crazy right now, and that plowed field
is already white and we're not at the ten minute
more the first quarter yet.

Speaker 4 (21:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
So anyway, and with all that said, Christian Dicaffrey as
already I think he just had his best run.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Of the year of the year, and the Niners are
in the high red zone.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
And of course as they take the field, the Niners
look like the team that's more comfortable after everything that
we just said. But whatever, long way to go. Speaking
of getting comfortable, this is our comfort zone. When we
get to the bottom of each hour and we get
to just hand the ball off, like Brock to Christian,

(22:28):
we just hand it off to Steve de Sager and
we're like, dude.

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Just run with the first down.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Hello, gentlemen, I believe the Niners are inside the twenty,
but the numbers are being obscured by snow already on
the first drive of the night. Buffalo is hosting San Francisco.
And by the way, in case you didn't hear, they
did not clear out all of the snow from the
seating area. So it's much publicized that they had asked
people in the Buffalo area, Hey, bring your shovel over

(22:54):
the weekend and we'll pay you twenty bucks an hour
and you'll get food and hot Drakes during your shift.
Help us inside the stadium. Well, the field looked good
about an hour ago, but to say the least, it's
being dusted with snow early in tonight's game. Bills have
won six straight. They're hosting a Niners team that does
have quarterback Brock Party. He is active after missing a

(23:14):
game with a sore shoulder, but still out for the Niners.
Tackle Trent Williams and defensive end Nick Bosa. That usually
makes a difference. Buffalo activated linebacker Matt Mulano. He's been
out over a year. Bill's tight end Dalton Kincaid out
again tonight with the knee injury. Temperature under thirty degrees
and yes it is snowing. Scoreless as they approach mid

(23:34):
first quarter. Philadelphia won its eighth straight game twenty four
to nineteen at Baltimore Eagles, now ten and two. You know,
in six straight games, Philadelphia had at least one hundred
and fifty yards on the ground and two rushing tds.
Today it was a mere one forty on the ground
and two rushing tds. Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson, in his career,

(23:54):
had been twenty three to one against NFC opponents he
lost at home today this game, he did have two
touchdown passes and on the ground Jackson eight carries seventy
nine yards rushing. But Philly wins again. Tampa Bay won
in overtime at Carolina twenty six, twenty three. The Bucks
were averaging twenty eight points a game but were still
under the five hundred mark. Got a win today. By

(24:16):
the way, they had allowed about three hundred and seventy
five yards a game this year. Carolina was ranked last
in the NFC in total offense. The Bucks escape with
the road win. Here in ot the Rams won at
New Orleans twenty one fourteen Rams had trailed six nothing
at halftime. Kyra and Williams fifteen carries one hundred four
yards in a td New Orleans in the fourth quarter

(24:36):
had a fourteen play drive stopped at the LA nine,
lost by a touchdown. Among the earlier games, Houston held
on twenty three to twenty at Jacksonville. It was twenty
three to six early fourth quarter. Jags have lost five
in a row, and they lost quarterback Trevor Lawrence to
a concussion due to a late hit. He was carted
off taking a cheap shot to the helmet while sliding

(24:59):
five straight losses for Jacksonville, Mac Jones did have too
late touchdown passes to get it close. Speaking of late scores,
Indianapolis wins twenty five twenty four at New England. Quarterback
Anthony Richardson the game winning short touchdown pass with twelve
seconds left, and then Richardson with the two point run.
We can update Jake Moody in the snow has kicked

(25:19):
a thirty three yard field goal, so the Niners mid
first quarter do have a three to nothing lead against Buffalo.
West Virginia fired coach Neil Brown after six seasons. Perdue
fired coach Ryan Walters after going one and eleven in
his second season there. Florida International fired coach Mike McIntyre
ex of Colorado. He has owed over a million dollars

(25:40):
in a buyout. Walters from Purdue is owed over nine
million dollars. West Virginia just gave their guy an extension
after last year, so he's owed nearly ten million dollars
forget all to live golf talk my goodness, become an
ex coach back.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
To you exactly.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
But you know, all those years, there just wasn't enough
money for those kids.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
Just not enough.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Just can't find it, you know, just everybody's.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
We pay for their education.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, seriously, that would be deficit over here.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
We're searching for dough if anybody any alumni would like donate.
America's universities are looking for money.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
Look at all the money that schools, specifically football programs,
have raised to buy out coaches contracts and now raise
to find a quarterback. By the way, Florida State paid
a whole lot of money, probably more than anybody in
the ACC this year and finished last in the ACC. SMU,
which deferred all its media money just to join the

(26:46):
ACC is in the ACC title game this weekend.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
Please don't use the word defer a San Francisco Giants.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Fans can't handle it.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
Hilarious.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Thank you for your service. All right, thank you, Steve.
Great stuff is always TIREQ dot com Studios. Mark Willerty
from salam Hey, So here's a question I wanted to
ask you. Is it fair at all? Going back to
Michigan and Ohio State? Is it fair in any way?
And I understand that this could be again just a

(27:17):
question here. I understand this can be sort of a
touchy subject, but the idea of.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Things that are done that offend you.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
Is not always the responsibility of those who are offending people,
in this case planting a flag in the ground, or
is there any responsibility that lies with the offended side,
in other words, planning a flag in the ground. I
understand what it represents, and I understand the emotional moment

(27:53):
where it happens, especially in a close loss.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
I get all that. But then again, and like.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's as offensive as you want to make it, Like
I could just as easily maybe ask Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Just go to the locker room. Just go to the
locker room. It's just an inanimate object in grass is
that fail at all?

Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (28:20):
But the one thing you're you have to understand emotion, right,
situation acknowledged? Yes you don't. There is with life right,
just life in general. Like saying just go to the

(28:40):
locker room after you lost a game that takes you
out of the Big Ten championship game and now puts
you further down in your chances of winning the national
championship to a riot that it's not y, I don't know.

(29:05):
Does Michigan going to a bowl game like whatever?

Speaker 4 (29:07):
That is? You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (29:10):
You see how Michigan was celebrating and they don't have
even half of the things that Ohio State has to
look forward to. But it doesn't matter because the emotion
of the rivalry is so intense. So yeah, it would
be easy to be like, hey, you just got your

(29:31):
butts kicked. Everything has changed for you, guys, just go
to the locker room. But that's not reality because reality.
Emotions come with reality, of course, of.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Course, and I get that, I get the the the
emotions of the moment are often like when you're sitting
there watching on TV and you know this now because
you've been both of the player and the person who's
just sitting there watching on TV. But I like, I
would argue that lot of times when people are watching

(30:02):
football and they go, oh.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
My god, you idiot, you are so stupid, Like.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
The person out there on the field is going a
thousand miles an hour using every piece of physicality they have,
and emotions are turned all the way up to ten,
and so it's very easy to be like, dude when
you go over to the other team's sideline, just chill.

(30:33):
I get that, I understand that. I just want to
sort of like, I want to put all of this
out there. Clearly, there's nobody who was on the field
yesterday doing anything that was like innocent, right, There's a
bunch of everything to go around when something like that happens.

(30:54):
But I think that this is just much bigger than
simply a fly going into the ground.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
I mean, their emotions behind it, centuries of emotions behind this.
The fact that you haven't beaten this team in four
consecutive years. Last year they won the national championship. All
of those things matter. Those kids, those seniors, those players
who've had to endure their entire college career, not beating Michigan,

(31:26):
which is a prerequisite for any coach. Right, their coach
is now on the hot seat, and he's own four
against Michigan and seventy two and one against everybody.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Else, everybody else, but he's.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
On the hot seat because that's how much that game means.
That's how much it means. And so with that comes
the emotion. So it's it's hard to be like, we're
going to ignore you disrespect our school and you know
our logo, We're going to ignore that. You guys did
a good job. You beat us. You guys get to

(32:11):
peel on all of our furniture and we're just going
to go into the locker room.

Speaker 7 (32:15):
No, no, I get it, I get it, all right,
Glad you're with us tonight And coming up next, the sad.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Reality has arrived for one playoff hopeful.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
In the NFL. The statement needs to be made.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
It's going to be very, very difficult for them to
do this, but they have got to not only acknowledge it,
they've got to act and they've got to do it.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
This week. I'll tell you what we're talking about next
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Speaker 2 (33:00):
Always a good time for a little boys to men,
and the Bills look like men. On that drive Ray
Davis five yard touchdown run, they take a seven to
three lead on the forty nine ers with just a
couple of ticks left to go in the first quarter.
Live tie Rich dot com Studios with a from Salam

(33:20):
I'm Mark Willard.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Look, it sucks.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
It sucks no matter whether you're a sports team, whether
it's a family, any business, no matter what it is.
When someone has been great to you for a long
time and great for you for a long time, but
dot dot dot it's time. That becomes a very difficult

(33:46):
thing to figure out, the timing of it, the way
to do it, all of that. But I'll just come
out and say it. The Ravens need a new kicker
and they've got to do this right now because their
season is literally being cratered by this. They lost a
five point game to the Philadelphia Eagles today. Two field

(34:07):
goal misses, an extra point miss. And this is not
a one time or a two time or a three
time deal. Justin Tucker has been called the best kicker
of all time for a long time. This year he's
probably the worst kicker in the league when you line
it up and it's longer than forty three yards, and

(34:29):
sometimes even when it's shorter than that. Like, my man
is missing just about everything. And he has been out
of sync and off all year long. And the way
the Ravens play football in that division, you need your
field goals and the like. If i'm them, it's great

(34:50):
that John Harbaugh went over and gave him a hug today.
That was awesome. The next thing I do is call
him into the office and make up an injury or
do something. But you got to get a new kicker
on that team.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Wow, Justin Tucker.

Speaker 3 (35:06):
Huh, dude is awful.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Yeah, he's pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
He's awful. He misses everything he's If it's not left,
then it's right. If it's not right, we go back left.
Like he's searching so bad, and you know this, there's
no time for that in pro sports.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
I wonder if maybe somebody you know go up to
him and chan check him. That can get him back
on us.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Right, that's right.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
Where's d ball when you need it? That seems to
have you know, worked for the Niners. Yeah, they're kicking
and they're kicking situations.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, yes, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
Sometimes you look, man, Sometimes you got to Sometimes you
have to have your feet held to the fire. Like
every other position on the team, kicker is the only
position where it's not openly sized And I mean like
with in in in the locker rooms and and uh,

(36:09):
you know, it's the only position that's not openly criticized.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Kick gloves gotta use kick gloves.

Speaker 5 (36:15):
And I that's why I didn't have a problem with,
uh with Debot doing that. Like this stuff means something, right,
We're all all of us are held accountable. If I'm
missing blocks, if I give up three sacks in a row,
is someone gonna say something to me? Or they just
gonna let me figure it out? If a receiver drops

(36:38):
three touchdown passes in a row, are they just gonna
let him figure it out? Are they gonna say something
to him? If a quarterback throws three interceptions in a row,
does he get a chance to figure it out? Or
are this conversation gonna be had? And so now, the

(37:00):
longer you've been in the league and the more success.
You've had dictates how that that conversation happens, and what's
said in that conversation. But everybody got to have their
feet held to the fire. That's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
He has now missed. Man, let's see, I think he
has missed one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight
attempts this year.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Eight.

Speaker 4 (37:38):
He might have not missed eight in the last five years.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And by the way, you from four in the last
three games to get you beat okay, And he's missed
two extra points as well, which that doesn't sound like much,
but extra points justin Tucker, like, what do we do?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
What do we doing?

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Yeah? Sometimes?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Right? And I don't know, by the way, I don't
know if it's time.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I've watched athletes get accused of aging and then rediscover
I don't know what the slump is. But brother, these
are the Baltimore Ravens and they're a Super Bowl contender,
and they've lost way too many football games this year
for how good they are.

Speaker 3 (38:24):
And just in the last.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Three weeks, right, they lose to the Eagles by five,
where he's left seven points on there, and they lost
to the Steelers by two when he left six points
out on the field. I don't know what's going on,
but he can't kick for the Ravens this year anymore.

Speaker 5 (38:42):
Yeah, you got to bring somebody else in and he's
got to be your quad, as heard, and it's been
dealing with this growing issued. It hasn't allowed him to,
you know, fully extend through the cake whatever they got it. However,
you got to spin it. You got to spin it,
spin it. But you got to get some some young
fresh legs in there, and you know, and revisit this thing.

(39:06):
You know once mentally he he gets a hold of it, right,
he's got the it's still a golf term. He's got
the yips.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
It's a it's a difficult thing to uh to navigate,
but it happens in sports, you know. I mean, we're
sitting here watching the Bills play the forty nine ers.
This this is a franchise that once upon a time
shoved Joe Montana out the door.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Yeah, you know what I mean, and Jerry right, and.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Ronnie Lott and Roger Craig. I like we go on
and on.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
And on and on and on.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
So all right, coming up next, Uh, I want to
find out how you feel about a take that you
had a number of weeks ago. I asked you about
it once. Before it's time to ask you about it again.
We'll do that coming up next on five Sports Radio.
All right into our number two following along, Steve just

(40:06):
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Speaker 3 (40:22):
The way tire bindings should be Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Before I get to Bryce Young, let's talk Christian McCaffrey.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
What did you see right there?

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Because somebody who is dealing with Achilles bilateral tendonighters throughout
the year, and by the way, looked explosive. Tonight looked really,
really good. Best he's looked all year by far. Just
took a toss hand off to the right a couple
plays ago and just slid in the snow on purpose
and then limped off. Every look of like Kevin Durant

(40:59):
sit almost What do you think?

Speaker 4 (41:02):
I don't know if it's that I know.

Speaker 5 (41:06):
The worst thing about playing in games with these type
of conditions. Is it calls on different parts of your body,
your core, your you know, your your muscles, all of that.
They're always firing because you're trying to keep your balance right,
So you're flexing when you normally wouldn't flex. In terms

(41:30):
of if I just take off and run, I'm running,
but because I'm measuring my steps and trying not to
slip and fall, it puts a lot of pressure on
you know, different areas of your body, your muscles, you know, joints,
things like that. So a growing a calf, all of

(41:53):
those things are are exposed to, you know, different things.
As James Cook just takes off and scores, his muscles
weren't twitching at all.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
He just.

Speaker 5 (42:07):
I'm out. Doesn't it look like the Buffalo players have
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
It almost looks like they're used to this, he for
who knows.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Looks like.

Speaker 5 (42:18):
The footing isn't quite an issue for them. I wonder
what that is anyway, It hopefully it's not the achilles
and the calvestrain that he'd been dealing with. Hopefully is
Hopefully it's not something serious. But he did look explosive.
He did start the game all very explosive. And so

(42:43):
we'll have the way. He's no longer in the blue ten.
He's into the locker room. So we'll see what the
report is coming back from now. St sure Steve had
an update for us in about you know, twenty eight minutes.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Right, extra point good, fourteen to three, Buffalo now leading
San Francisco. And uh, and you're absolutely right that Christian McCaffrey.
I mean, at this point, at least I would be
shocked if he is going to uh to come back
in this game.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
So now the Niners uh season was already on the brink.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
And and now I'd argue it's really really really on
the break.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Yeah, it's I said it last week. I said they
were done. Just the gauntlet of their schedule, the injuries
they sustained this year, they don't have enough to hit
that button and and and come back full force. Now,
especially you know Christian McCaffrey possibly not being available. That

(43:45):
that's just a woof that's gonna be tough.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Okay, let me ask you this, because it was a
number of weeks ago that you just said, you know,
Bryce Young's too small, he's too small. And then I
I asked you again when he started to show like
a little something and you're like, look are they winning games?

Speaker 4 (44:05):
Well?

Speaker 2 (44:05):
No, what about now? You could answer the same way.
They found a way to lose that game in overtime.
Certainly not Bryce's fault. No, Truba Hubbard fumbled in overtime,
Bucks went down, got a long one from Rashad White,
won the football game overtime. But we're looking at a
very very different football player at a minimum. So what

(44:29):
does what are the Panthers and what does the league
do with Bryce Young?

Speaker 5 (44:34):
Now, well I don't know what the league does with
Bryce Young, But in terms of the Panthers, you have
to really weigh out the situation. He was twenty six
for forty six two hundred and ninety eight yards in
a touchdown. That's cool, That's that's good. Is it good enough?

(44:56):
Is he the player? Do you see him being this
player for the next ten years? Are the next seven years?
Because if you double down on him this only being
his second year, if you give him another year or

(45:20):
pass up, you know, I think they're in position to
have the number one pick in the draft pass up
an opportunity to take a quarterback because he's shown signs
of progression in a losing way. Is it enough for

(45:41):
you to say he's going to be our guy, he's
gonna get better to me personally?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
I don't think so. I don't think so. It's easy
to play with reckless.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
Abandon when there's nothing on the line in terms of
your team is not depending on you to make it
to the playoffs because they're not making the playoffs, they're
not winning the division, they're not even competing in the division.
So yeah, you it's a freeing thing. You can go
out there and just be and he's playing well, play

(46:15):
well last week, play well this again this week. But
as organizationally wise, is he the guy for the next
seven years?

Speaker 4 (46:26):
Right? Next year?

Speaker 5 (46:28):
You'll have to re up him on a four year
deal after next year if you keep them, and that
price tag is going to be what Mark.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Well, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
So fifty two million dollars a year.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
So to answer your question, no, I haven't changed my
opinion on him, and I don't think you can pay
him fifty to forty million dollars a year, fifty two
million dollars a year, forty five million dollars a year
and expect him to have you compete for a division

(47:10):
title every year. I look, I love him bouncing back.
I love a redemption story. I think they've done an
excellent job moving him out of the pocket. Uh so
he's just not standing there, he's running more. He's fighting
for his life. And you love to see players fight
for their lives. What happens when he's not fighting for

(47:31):
your life his life? Ask Daniel Jones, Ask the New
York giants what happens when you're no longer fighting for
your life or your livelihood? I should say, not your life,
your livelihood. Right when you get the one hundred and
whatever million dollar, when you get the one hundred and

(47:55):
you know, two two hundred, two hundred and twenty five
million dollars deal with one hundred and ninety nine two
hundred fully guaranteed, there is no urgency there. You now,
whether you take another step, have made enough money for
your and your family moving forward. But that's not greatness.

(48:20):
And I don't think Bryce Young just based on what
I've seen his size, all of this, All of this matters. Now,
you can get better at delivering the football, but to
be five to nine at that position, to be five
to nine and play at a high level for multiple years,

(48:44):
playoff level, Pro Bowl level, all pro level. With his dimensions,
it's I mean, he's gonna have to be a one
of one? Is Bryce Young a one of one?

Speaker 3 (48:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (48:59):
No, I guess when I ask you if the opinion
is changed, and I get where you're coming from. This
is a little bit of an all or nothing conversation,
you know, do you want this guy to be your
quarterback or not? But I also ask it just from
the framework of like, are you surprised that we're even
seeing this? Like, oh, I would argue we were headed

(49:22):
for Bryce, like getting a backup job and that lasting
for about a year or two and then see you later. Now,
at minimum, let's say Carolina makes the decision that you're
saying that they will, and I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
I would imagine that all of the sudden.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
We're talking about a bidding war at the backup spot
for Bryce Young, because he does look to me like
somebody who can go out and win football games, franchise
QB face of an organization. Maybe not, maybe not, but boy,
I would take Bryce Young as my backup big time.

Speaker 5 (50:01):
Well yeah, because now you don't have anything to lose.
Now if Carolina decides to keep him on they're gonna
miss this window. They're most likely they will most likely
get the first pick in the draft, which is you know,
I guess what, Shador Sanders.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Well, I don't know about that. Where do you have
the New York Giants in that conversation?

Speaker 4 (50:27):
Yeah, they're pretty bod That looks like.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
The way if you're asking me who looks like the
worst team in the league right now, that's.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
A good pick. They do, they do. That's my league.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
That's my pick, New York Giants. They're two and ten.
The Panthers are already a game ahead of them at
three and nine. But the Panthers are playing some competitive
football right now.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
They're gonna win some games down the stretch.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Yeah. So you have.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Three teams at two and ten, Jacksonville, Las Vegas, and
New York. You have Carolina at three and nine, New
England at three and ten, Tennessee at three and nine,
the Jets at three and nine, and Cleveland at three
and eight. There will be three and nine tomorrow, So

(51:14):
you're right in that top five pick.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Right there's now.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Look, now, you if you don't end up with the
first pick in the draft, you've bought yourself a year
you've bought yourself a year. Quarterback class isn't what it
has been the last couple of years. I think you
got Shador, You have Cam from Miami. Who else is

(51:42):
out there? Not really anybody popping off the page. But
what you could do in your later rounds is you
can get a young developed Like I wouldn't stack my
quarterback room with developmental players. I mean like I wouldn't
draft somebody in the fifth round.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Like, I wouldn't do that. I would save that, I
would give.

Speaker 5 (52:09):
If Bryce is going to be your guy, I would
give him the rest of the rope, right, and.

Speaker 4 (52:18):
Build your roster.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
No matter what you do at the quarterback position, you
need to build your roster. You need to get an
offensive tackle, you need to get a defense, a rush
in like, you still have to to build your roster.
So you can take your fourth or fifth pick in
the draft and you can add instant talent elsewhere. So
when you do decide to move on from Cam, you've

(52:41):
now meticulously built your roster around whatever it is you
decide to do. The talent. You gotta get talent, right.
You got to overspend in free agency, and you gotta
really knock it out the park in the draft.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
That's my feeling.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Yeah, that makes all the sense in the world, no
doubt about it. All Right, I'm glad you brought up
Jacksonville because I'm sure a lot of people are thinking
about what happened in Jacksonville today. We'd love to get
your reaction on the hit from Aziz al Shire on
Trevor Lawrence, so we'll get to that next. With you
from salam Mark Willard. This is Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Okay with you.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
From salam Mark Willard, Tye RAG dot com Studios. Bills
lead Niners fourteen to three. Have the ball in the
high red zone right now as we move to the
final or almost to the final minute of the first half,
the Bills are rolling down hill. The forty nine ers
again dealing with all kinds of injuries. We can have

(53:45):
this sort of speculative update on Christian McCaffrey leaving the game.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
They're now calling it a questionable return.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
And a knee injury that may have happened on the
previous play. Some of the Twitter docs are there suggesting
that the concern would be for a PCL sprain, which
actually would be great news for Christen and the forty
nine er fans, who will. I think everybody was thinking
Achilles after everything that he's dealt with this year.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:15):
I mean, I'm not going to diagnose him because I
don't know. It's one thing I'm not as a Twitter doctor,
but it's just it.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Man, the way he went down and the way he
didn't it didn't seem like a need to.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Me, right right. I mean, who knows what he's feeling.
But I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
It was one of those things because in me, listen,
I've never played real football in my life, but I like,
if you've got something like that, and I get if
it's a ligament, that's one thing.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
But obviously he went back into the game and he
felt like he was going to be.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Able to grab the football and run with it. It
just looked very muscular. It looked muscular. The way he
sort of reacted. Who the hell knows, who the hell knows.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
They call it soft tissue, so yep, but you know, look, man,
hopefully he's okay. He's missed the majority of the season
so far, just recovering from that caf Achilles on both legs,
I believe, and so it's you know, the game is
better with him in it, So hopefully it'll be okay,

(55:31):
got a lot of miles on the on the tread yep.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
And I'll say this right now.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
And you know with with Nick Bosa out, their best corner,
Leonora's out, Fred Warner's out there running around on a
on a fractured ankle. He left the game, he came
back whatever. I don't know if you want to put
this on the coordinator, the injuries, it doesn't matter. The
bottom line is I protect Christian McCaffrey's future at all
costs because this offense can do whatever they want, is

(56:00):
not going to be good enough with with what the
forty nine ers are putting on the field defensively right now,
there is not going to be a second half of
the year miracle.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I can tell you that right now.

Speaker 5 (56:10):
Right, yeah, you got that, right, you know. I mean
I've known Christian since he was what.

Speaker 4 (56:17):
Five? Really? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Yeah? Because you did you play with the head, play
with Eddie?

Speaker 4 (56:25):
Yeah yeah, play with Eddie? No, Lisa and you know everybody.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
Yeah, his wife, I mean Christian's mom at his wife,
she's a spark plug. Love her, but yeah, you know,
proud to him, His brothers, whole family.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
It's a great, great, great great family.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
All right, we'll circle back to that as the bills
are again threatening for even more and already leading by eleven.
I really want to get your because one of the
reasons I love coming to you is because measured calm,
not overly emotional. What did you think, and I know
that you're tapped in with the Texans the hit from

(57:10):
Aziz al Shire on Trevor Lawrence today, What is your
reaction to the whole thing that took place there in Johnson?

Speaker 5 (57:18):
I thought that hit was egregious. I thought that's a
very very dangerous hit on a quarterback who was clearly
giving himself up. And even if he started the slide
before you initiated your launch sequence to use your forearm

(57:44):
as a as a you know, a bludgeoning force towards
his head like he can. You can watch it. He
launched himself and then he used his forearm and an
upward motion to the head of the quarterback. So it
wasn't just about the tackle. It was about and to

(58:04):
me it seems like it was to inflict as much
pain as possible. That's what I saw, and I mean
shout out to its the kid's name who got ejected
from number seventeen from from Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (58:19):
I don't know what's.

Speaker 7 (58:21):
Up.

Speaker 5 (58:21):
I'm not shame on the offensive line. I was a receiver,
like I would have been done for the day. Like
I would have been I would have been done because
I might still have my hand around uh, his neck
right now, like they we had to leave the game
together because I can't take my hands from around his neck.

(58:44):
I mean that's like we still we were still been
playing that game, man, because I man, it's no way
you get a check you get away with that, not
the way that hook that that hit. Look, yeah, maybe
they didn't see. I'm sure they played it on the
jumbo tron. But man, shout out to number seventeen, whatever

(59:05):
his name is. He got himself thrown out of.

Speaker 4 (59:10):
The game as well. But that was that was agregious. Man.
He should be. He will be fined, and I would
suspend him for a game.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, he probably will be. I mean, look, if you
want as a league and a Josh Allen. The maccollins touchdown,
pending the review, makes it now twenty to three, with
the extra point on the way for Buffalo. Just before halftime,
but I like, if you want to actually do what

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they say they're trying to do, and I would large
safer these penalties, you know, like gosh from even in
college where they're like, look, if you do it, we're
throwing you out of the game immediately.

Speaker 4 (59:58):
And you have to miss the first half of the
next game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
And it's part of the next game too, like they're
they're they're being very heavy handed. It's still not taking
it out of the game. There are targeting reviews. I
think in every college game I've watched this year almost
and so I get it. This is all happening at
a really fast pace. I understand that you're as a defender,

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you commit and then the offensive player moves. So sometimes
it looks worse than you intended to be. It all
happens really fast. I don't know, man, the defenders to
do is not happening.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Yeah, it's like I liking it too.

Speaker 5 (01:00:42):
Uh My thoughts in baseball when they were trying to
get a hold of the steroid thing, I said, hey, yeah,
there's a there's an easy way to do this. Now,
there's an easy way to do if you want to
be serious about it, there's a way to do it
meaning you suggest, meaning because because the benefit outweighs the punishment.

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If I'm a young player and you tell me, if
I can bat three twenty five, have a stronger arm,
run faster, I can get a ten year, three hundred
and fifty four hundred million dollar deal, I'll do that,
and if I get caught, I'll get to spend it
for fifty games.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Okay, right right, all right, Well that's what was happening.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
That's what was that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
That's why the steroid era it was like more prevalent at.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
The minor league level. Yeah, it's like because guys were like,
if I can get the call up, who cares?

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Who cares? Take take the fifty games? All right? Cool? Right?

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
So what I proposed, I said, Look, if you get
caught for steroids, then you team has an option to
void your contract. You get for the rest of the year,
and a team has an option to void your contract.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I like that. Guess what would have happened, right?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
That would have That'd have been the end of the steroids.

Speaker 5 (01:02:11):
Seriously, Like the punishment far outweighs the reward. That's the
only way I see it happening. I'm telling you, if
you told me take this. Everything you're doing is going
to get better tenfold. You're going to be a free

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agent or whatever. In two years, you'll be open to
a ten year, four hundred million dollar contract. In the
second year of that contract, you're gonna get suspended. You're
gonna get caught for stories and suspended for fifty games.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
So you might lose a third of that year's salary only.

Speaker 4 (01:03:00):
Okay, where do I Where do I sign?

Speaker 3 (01:03:05):
Where do I sign?

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:03:07):
I mean that's essentially what it was, right, Like a
rod had made so much money, like all of the
people who had been uh suspended for steroids, it made
so much money, and then we're going to come back
and make even more.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
So what's the okay?

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
So if you want to stop these type of hits,
be like, hey man, take this helmet off going into
the back and this is going to number one. You'll
be fine, but this is also gonna cost you a
game check. It's gonna cost you a game check, and
the second time you do it, you'll be suspended for ten.

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Games or five games.

Speaker 5 (01:03:48):
Whatever that is, right is for repeat offenders, it must
be uh more severe the punishment, Like I'd love to
hear what the one and only magnanimous Steve de Sager
has to say about that that hit.

Speaker 8 (01:04:10):
I thought the interesting comment was for Michael Strahan at
the halftime coverage on Fox. I think that linebacker threw
himself out of the game, was his quote. I think
he did that because he realized after that hit, if
he'd stayed in the game, he was not going to
be protected.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
No quote, knock his head off.

Speaker 8 (01:04:28):
By the way, it was Evan Ingram of Jacksonville.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Who there you go.

Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
So, yeah, I'm looking forward to a suspension. If there's
no suspension, there's no reason to have a rule.

Speaker 4 (01:04:37):
This is ridiculous. Right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:38):
If you don't suspend him for that hit, then you
did all right, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 8 (01:04:43):
Moose Johnston, doing the analysis of the game, said that
hit was everything you're not supposed to do. There's an
honor that you give to your opponent on the field
and you respect him. Yeah, clearly that was not it.
By the way, in the NFL this weekend, we've had
twelve games so far. All of them have been decided
by seven points or less. Wow, every one of them.

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That ties for the most in a single week in
the history of the NFL. Don't know if that's gonna
be the case in the snow at Buffalo today, because
the Bills have scored touchdowns on three straight drives. Now
they're up twenty one to three with ten seconds left
in the first half against San Francisco. Included in the
scoring the James cook sixty five yard touchdown run down

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the sideline, the longest run against the Niners in three years,
and that three years ago was on a fake punt.
The last one longer against San Francisco on a regular
offensive play was mark Ingram eight years ago. And topping this,
Cook reached a top speed of almost twenty two miles
an hour in the snow on that play, the fastest

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run by him in his young NFL career and one
of the ten fastest plays this year by any NFL
ball carrier. Twenty one three in the final seconds of
the first half at Buffalo. And by the way, the
Bills in the snow are averaging nine yards per play,
about twenty five offensive plays and almost two hundred and

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forty yards of offense in the first half. Forty nine
Ers running back Christian McCaffrey did limp off in the
first half with a knee injury. I will note that
Buffalo did activate linebacker Matt Mulano. He'd been out for
over a year and is playing in this game tonight.
Tight End Dalton Kincaid is out again with the bad knee.
Snow temperature under thirties, and of course it's Buffalo they

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are lovingness. Philadelphia won its eighth straight game twenty four
to nineteen at Baltimore, and the Eagles in this contest
did trail nine to nothing in the second quarter, So
the Ravens are on the list of most losses in
recent years after leading a game by at least nine points.
Clearly the Bears would be on that list, the Chargers

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have their recent history. The Ravens also have blown fourteen
games since twenty eighteen after leading by at least nine points.
The Niners are number one on that list if at.
Kyle Shanahan and John Harbaugh are also top two in
fact for blowing fourth quarter leads in the NFL in
recent years. Minnesota won again five straight victories for the

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Vikings beat Arizona twenty three to twenty two. Sam Darnold
two short touchdown passes, including the game winner with about
a minute left. Even before today, the NFC North had
become the first division in NFL history to have three
teams with at least nine wins by the end of
Thanksgiving Day. Earlier, it was Houston winning at Jacksonville twenty

(01:07:38):
three to twenty. That was the game where quarterback Trevor
Lawrence of the Jags was out with a concussion due
to the late hit. Jacksonville has lost five in a row.
Pittsburgh won at Cincinnati forty four to thirty eight. Russell
Wilson four hundred and fourteen yards passing, three touchdowns, one interception.
He was over two hundred and fifty yards passing just
in the first half of this game. Let russo, he's

(01:08:00):
been cooking this. He had some touch throws as well today.
There was a great item from next Gen Stats that
on passes from Russell Wilson today that went over ten
yards in the air downfield. He was eight of nine
for two hundred five yards on those plays and two
of the touchdowns as well. They've hit halftime at Buffalo
Bills twenty one to three over the Niners. Tampa Bay

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won in overtime at Carolina twenty six twenty three. Rams
came back to win at New Orleans twenty one to fourteen.
In the NBA, Cleveland at home beat the Celtics one
fifteen one to eleven. Boston had won seven games in
a row. Lakers are leading late third quarter at Utah
seventy seven seventy three women's college hoops. It was close
at the half. UCLA rank number one did wind up

(01:08:46):
winning at Hawaii seventy to forty nine. And guys in
women's college basketball number seven LSU won one thirty one
to forty four over North Carolina Central, which is h
and ten. The losing I'd had fifteen field goals made
and thirty three turnovers in a forty minute game. This
is the same team that on Friday had lost at

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North Carolina by a final of one nineteen to forty three.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Back to you, Oh gosh, Steve, amazing good stuff. Appreciated
as always tire rack dot Com Studios. Yes, the Bills
head into the haft time breakup twenty one to three.
Now before Jake Moody missed another kick though I'm not
gonna put this one on him though, fifty five yards
in the driving snow, and it was straight enough. It

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was just not long enough.

Speaker 3 (01:09:35):
That's yeah. The pause.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
Maybe that's a professional radio man right there. Sits almost
went full Michael Scott right there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
You made half the statement. I think everybody got it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
Well, you know sometimes sometimes you can infer.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
And now we move on. Yeah, man, like this, uh,
this old forty nine er thing.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Here's my question forget diving to all injuries blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (01:10:13):
Bills are really good. We knew all that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:15):
Here's my thing, And I go back to what I
asked you off the top. In snow games, when guys
are from all over the country, does it is it
really a thing to say, Oh, that team's used to it,
and those California or those Florida boys, Ah, they're not
used to it. Let me ask you this, like, do

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the visiting teams in this particular case, are they not
aware of the footwear that's necessary like a secret or something.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
No, No, it's not. But what they're they're.

Speaker 3 (01:10:48):
Running around out that they look like me with ice skates.

Speaker 4 (01:10:51):
Yeah, and the bills are running.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
The bills are running through this as if it's like
totally normal.

Speaker 4 (01:10:57):
So let me tell you what's going on.

Speaker 5 (01:11:00):
You don't wear the type of traction are spikes or
cleats that they wear outside of the snow.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
Right.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
They're too long for regular grass or field turf, which
most of the people practice on field turf now anyway,
So you can't ever get You can put them on,
but you still don't feel comfortable enough to go full
speed of them because you don't you don't have any

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you know, you don't really have any time wearing them.
You don't have any experience and wearing them for like,
Buffalo has been wearing these spikes the whole week. I'm
sure they've had I know they have an indoor practice
facility or field, but I'm sure they played outside one

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of these days with these spikes on or two of
these days, just to get acclimated to them.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
I mean, apparently James Cook and run twenty two miles
an hour.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Man, he was gone right right, James.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Cook is like like he looks like he's running through
the desert. That's it, man, and and and Deebo. Samuel
looks like he needs to go to the restroom.

Speaker 4 (01:12:14):
It makes a difference. It makes a difference. It does.

Speaker 5 (01:12:19):
I'm telling you it makes a difference, all right. Everybody
can play inside, everybody can play in the sun.

Speaker 2 (01:12:28):
So you remember last week when I said the Chiefs
the most annoying team, and.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
Remember that they get any less annoying. Remember that I
do remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Oh yeah, but here's here's what I want to say
about this week's incredibly annoying Chiefs victory. You're all focused
on the wrong thing. Don't be mad at the refs
and and a potential false start this one. The wrong

(01:12:59):
question is being asked, and I will ask the correct
question coming up next. That's E from Salama Mark Willard.
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E from Salama Mark Willard. And you're all whining about
the wrong thing in the Chief's latest annoying victory. If

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anybody is lining up for a field goal to beat
the Chiefs at the end of the game, I already
know how it's going to end. I'm like, one way
or another, this is not gonna happen. So while everyone
screams and yells that one of the refs was calling
false start, and then here comes the other refs, and
we're going to talk it over for seven minutes and

(01:14:09):
decide that it was illegal motion and therefore the Chiefs
can decline it and just pick up the fumble and
move on. And here we go again with another week
of the league is rigged for the Chiefs. None of
those players for the Raiders should have even been on
the field for that play. And if you want to

(01:14:32):
scream at someone, his name is Antonio Pierce, and I
can say that Ephraim because I was saying it in
real time. The second the Raiders offense comes on the
field for third and three with less than fifteen seconds

(01:14:52):
to go and no timeouts from the thirty two yard line,
So a forty nine yard field goal is sitting there
for you. Your risk reward is completely out of whack.
So in other words, I'm gonna snap the ball and

(01:15:15):
I'm going to give it to a young quarterback Aidan O'Connell.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
At Arrowhead Stadium. And what am I trying to achieve.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
If you get the first down, then you can run
like hell and hope that you can get to the
line of scrimmage in time to spike it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:40):
So maybe you get an extra six or seven yards.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
However, you could also complete the pass and get tackled
short of the first down marker.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
Congratulations, game over.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Or you could take a sack or have a penalty,
or have any of these things happen that all end
the game. Okay, all in an effort to get like
four or five more yards, or did it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Occur to you go kick the field goal?

Speaker 9 (01:16:20):
Just go kick the field goal on third down. Because
by the way, you might have a bad snap. Guess
what you get to do, stand up, throw the ball
out of bounds. You get to try again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Yeah, Like, I don't understand why nobody brought that up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:39):
Yeah, because the low hanging fruit in front right. The
narrative is the Chiefs and the refs. You know, they're roommates.
So you know, there were a lot of are quite
a few terrible coaching decisions that happened this week, and

(01:17:08):
they got to coach fired.

Speaker 4 (01:17:09):
I you know.

Speaker 5 (01:17:12):
The Chiefs are gonna chief Okay, sure, so we can
spend time and energy talking about them like we do
every week. But they're going to Chief, right, It's going
to happen. Bad teams find a way to lose. Great
teams find ways to win. The Chiefs will find ways
to win. And even in the game they lost, they

(01:17:36):
almost had an opportunity to win again.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
Like so they're always going to be in it.

Speaker 5 (01:17:40):
They're always going to be in a position to capitalize
on others dumb mistakes. That's what good teams do, and
bad teams make dumb mistakes. You know, snap the snap
the ball for no real like what it just you

(01:18:01):
scratch your head. But the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
Thank you what. I've never seen anything.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Like this, man. I was like, hey man, oh my god,
what this dude? He would not have been able to
fly back with the team. I would have fired him
before he got into the locker room to address the

(01:18:31):
team and before he went and doubled down on his
silly decision in the press conference. So I would have
met him right outside the locker room as the owner
and be like, hey man, thank you for your services.
We'll have somebody, we have security bring your stuff out, right.
You got to find your own way back because I

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could not even believe it was.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
That was that was one of the wildest things. Oh
my god, football field just just huck it up in
the end. It's like, man, and the game's over.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
Listening to Tony Romo was hilarious. Keep going to huh,
what are they doing? It started off like but it
isn't at a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:19:17):
Huh.

Speaker 5 (01:19:18):
They should probably call the time. Whoa what are they doing?
Oh no, oh no, oh no, oh my gosh, oh no, all.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
The game's over.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Oh yeah, game's over. Man, I was dying laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
On the standalone National I mean Thanksgiving, It'll never be forgotten.

Speaker 3 (01:19:38):
This weirdest end to a game I've ever seen. Holl
of smokes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
All right, hey, speaking of weird stats, I'm gonna blow
your mind with a Vegas stat next.

Speaker 3 (01:19:52):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
Everom your go love this?

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Now you're gonna love this one because I know how
much reverence you have for the soon to be forty
one year old quarterback of the New York Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
Are you ready for this? Do you want to.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Know why Las Vegas hotels continue to add new towers?
Do you want to know why even as we rolled
through a pandemic four years ago and that city had
to basically completely shut down, but it survived, it.

Speaker 3 (01:21:01):
Survived and now is doing just fine. Thank you. Do
you want to know why?

Speaker 4 (01:21:06):
It's?

Speaker 3 (01:21:07):
It's this Vegas spreads and I hear this all the time.
I bet you do too. People are always amazed, gosh,
how does Vegas? How do they do it? How do
they predict these games so accurately?

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
Actually see it a little bit differently they often don't,
you know, the Pittsburgh Stealers and Cincinnati Bengals got together
today and scored over eighty points. Vegas didn't have that
on the on the Bengo card. But here's what Vegas understands.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Us.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
They understand us and our perceptions about certain teams, and
how incredibly stubborn we are in changing our perceptions. The
New York Jets this year are three and nine twelve
football games. Do you know how many of them in

(01:22:10):
which they have been favored?

Speaker 5 (01:22:16):
I was, yes, seven, eight nine.

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
The Jets are terrible. They're a terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:22:34):
Football team, and if you've watched them play, you'll understand
this goes it goes so deep on so many levels
of terrible, and it was on display again today, building
up a double digit lead at home against a very
mediocre football team and then finding all kinds of new
ways to have it unravel and disintegrate right in front

(01:22:57):
of their fans' eyes. Three to nine, objectively terrible and
favored almost every week because we cannot get rid of
our perceptions that are based on history, not the current,

(01:23:19):
and not reality reality quite frankly, not based in reality.

Speaker 5 (01:23:25):
Uh huh, Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. But
look I'm in reality and all I'm saying is he
was some trash in Green Bay last year. We didn't

(01:23:45):
get a chance to see him last year, and he's
been some trash all this year. It starts with leadership,
and if the guys you're leading don't want to follow,

(01:24:06):
then you're not a leader. The guys you're leading you
don't want to follow you. You're not a leader. There's
the reason they don't want to follow you. As hard
as Jordan was on teammates, as hard as Kobe was
on teammates, Magic, the greats, Kareem people followed them. Why

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because they knew, no matter what, they could lead them
to the Promised Land, to where they wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
To go exactly. They were going somewhere.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
And Rogers hasn't been that for years. Matter of fact,
he's alienated coaches, players, the public, his family. It's hard
to follow that guy when he's not the greatest thrower

(01:25:09):
of the of the football or a quarterback on the planet.
There's no upside to following him.

Speaker 4 (01:25:17):
And that's where we are here.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
The Jets doubled down on what used to be, not
what was, not what was, and now they've shook up
their whole world. Fired the best coach they had on staff,

(01:25:42):
hired a coach who had no business calling plays by
any stretch of the imagination again, and Nathaniel Hackett brought
in some receivers that you know, Randall Cobb's not even
there anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
For what.

Speaker 3 (01:26:04):
Now?

Speaker 4 (01:26:04):
They don't want him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
It's really actually being undersold.

Speaker 3 (01:26:12):
How funny this all is.

Speaker 4 (01:26:14):
Seriously, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
Yeah, they brought him in, right, you give him the keys,
he plays.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
How many plays did he play last year? Like four?

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Four plays? He got hurt on all right, so.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
He got four plays. Then you bring him back.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Now he's forty, you know, on the other side of
an achilles injury, and three huge swings have happened all
this season. A you fired the coach, b you fired
the general manager, and C you used assets to acquire
his buddy, his favorite wide receiver, and all of that

(01:26:54):
has led to three and nine, and now you're navigating
him going on talk shows to dispel the idea that
he would like to leave next year. I mean, it's
really something. It's really something. The loyalty that the Jets

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have shown Aaron Rodgers that he has not returned, and
the fact that they I'm still not sure that they've
woken up to this. Everybody else is already there. We
all get it. Now, we get it. You hitch your
wagon to the wrong place. And it's kind of similar
to the point I made about the Ravens kicking situation

(01:27:39):
earlier this show. Once you know that your hits to
the wrong spot. You got to go. You got to
go as quick as you can. And I sit here
today and I'm not sure if the Jets know. I'm
not sure that they're acknowledging that they did all the
wrong things and they kept choosing, kept choosing the wrong

(01:28:01):
person over and over again.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
They probably still think they were right. Why would you
fire Robert Salah?

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
Why would you fire Robert Sala?

Speaker 4 (01:28:19):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
Goodness, gracious, I tell you what, what did what did
the general manager do?

Speaker 6 (01:28:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:28:30):
I mean he did? He did bring in.

Speaker 5 (01:28:35):
Uh Bryce, he brought in a bevy of other uh so.

Speaker 4 (01:28:41):
I mean he drafted.

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
Well, it was last year that everyone was like, the
Jets nailed the draft and they're a quarterback away.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
He just picked the wrong quarterback. Do you fire them
or do you fire the quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Well, that's what's odd to me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
If you're gonna fight GM because of all of the
power that he gave Aaron, why.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Would you continue to make moves for Aaron?

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Like the decision is being made in New York in football,
both franchises are baffling to me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
All of it, all of it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
I could give you five football teams right now that
I flat out do not understand when I watch them
do whatever it is that they do. I give you
five football teams that are just mind boggling, and it's
both of the New York teams. It's the Raiders, it's

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the Bears, and it's the Cowboys. And I'm pretty sure
you and I have been saying that about all five
of those teams all year long, even well before the
season started.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
I don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
That goes for within games, it goes for during the week,
it goes for the off season. I don't understand what
it is there. I don't understand what they're attempting to do.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
They don't either, And that's the point.

Speaker 5 (01:30:28):
Poorly run organizations man tough to watch, tough to watch.
You gotta really do something to change the foundation. You
gotta take the Detroit Lions approach. You got to strip
it down and burn it all down to the ground,

(01:30:51):
and you got to bring in a lunatic because you
have to change the culture. Just so long, Yeah, it's
just normal.

Speaker 3 (01:31:08):
Did you see Dan Campbell.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
When they brought up the idea that Jamir Gibbs might
have posted something on social media that had the whiteboard
with plays on it in the background.

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
Did you see this yesterday?

Speaker 4 (01:31:23):
I did not.

Speaker 2 (01:31:24):
It's hosting a press conference and I wonder if we've
got it back there. Patrick, let me know if we've
got it back there. But he's hosted a press conference
and a reporter says, hey, did you see the social
media post from jamiir And it appears that the whiteboard
is in the background with plays And.

Speaker 3 (01:31:42):
Dan's kind of like, I did not see that? Is
that the case?

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
And they're like, yeah, like it's on social media and
the whiteboards in the background with plays, and he just
looks at everybody and goes, I'm gonna have to take
a look at that, and immediately press conference over turns
and walks out of the room, and people are already like, dude,

(01:32:08):
I mean, if you're Jamior, I wouldn't be surprised one
bit if he was like suspended for the game that's
coming up, because that's, you know, is that the culture
is that? Is that the way? That is that the
way Dan Campbell's going to handle it. Meantime, with the

(01:32:29):
New York Giants, You've got your rookie first round draft
pick already here in Week twelve, Like I don't know
why they don't throw the ball to me in the
first half. Ask the coach like, that's already happening there
and absolutely nobody does anything to stop it.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
No, it's crazy to me just to to see the.

Speaker 4 (01:33:01):
Just what little control. Look.

Speaker 5 (01:33:05):
I understand, you know, youth and and all of that
stuff and coaching and all of that, but there's nothing like.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
There's nothing like experience.

Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
The players have to respect you, and if they don't
respect you, then you're wasting your time. I can guarantee
you right now, every player in that locker room respects
Dan Campbell, and he's going to turn this incident into

(01:33:50):
a teachable moment and it'll never happen again.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
Yep. The play that we just saw in Buffalo might
never happen again. As well.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
We'll describe to you what is going to be probably
the highlight of the week in just a sec. Also
coming up, we got to talk about Atlanta. We got
to talk about the quarterback situation in Atlanta, because something
is developing and it's happening quickly. So that's coming up
next with me from Salama Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio, Liventhetie,

(01:34:26):
Rag dot Com Studios. Extra Point is good both teams
have scored a touchdown since we last updated the score.
Steve will be along in a few minutes with more
It's twenty eight to ten now for Buffalo. I'm still
more focused on what Josh Allen and Amari Cooper did
a couple.

Speaker 3 (01:34:43):
Of minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
The inside the ten yard line kind of bubble screen
passed to Amari Cooper which he catches with one hand,
and then as he's being engaged by two tacklers, just
sort of decides I'm going to toss it back to
Josh Allen, who then runs for the pylon, dives.

Speaker 3 (01:35:02):
And gets there for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
And you'll see that one later today if you haven't
caught it already. Bills are having fun in the snow
forty nine ers or not. Bills are up eighteen. Shortly
after the show, the podcast goes up. If you missed
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Speaker 3 (01:35:34):
But we are not done yet, play can spend. You'll
be along in just over a half hour. What are
they doing Atlanta now?

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
So it's a losing streak, They're still sitting in first place.
They're tied at six and six with the Bucks. After
the Bucks rally for that overtime win in Carolina, right,
Kirk Cousins throws four interceptions against granted a very good

(01:36:06):
charge of defense.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
We've talked about that best in the league, but go ahead,
best in the league. But I don't know if you
saw all of his interceptions. Some of them were really bad,
really bad.

Speaker 2 (01:36:18):
So this is not a this year thing, but this division,
which is so incredibly easy to win, if they can't
win it, especially after having that two game lead that
they had. The report came out from Jeremy Fowler already
today that if this doesn't go well, the Falcons will

(01:36:38):
look to trade Kirk Cousins in the offseason. You've got
Michael Pennix right there. How would you handle this?

Speaker 5 (01:36:49):
Well, that makes sense, but because there's value there, there
are a bunch of teams that would love to have
Kirk Cousins, so you'll get some value back from that trade.

(01:37:09):
But as of right now, your best chance to win
this division is Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 (01:37:18):
Period.

Speaker 5 (01:37:20):
So you know, unless you're about to you know, you're
you can't make a change now, that makes no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:37:29):
Right, No, And I'm not suggesting that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:31):
Yeah, so it's like, well, what do you do? Well,
you get together. You know you're talking about you know,
a kicker who's missed who normally doesn't miss.

Speaker 4 (01:37:52):
Young Wakho's having a tough year as well, is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:54):
Having a tough year. Missed another one today.

Speaker 5 (01:37:57):
So all that matters, all that matters, and all that
effects the team. So it's got to be one of
those situations where you know, you got an opportunity at
six and six, tied for first place in a division too,

(01:38:24):
you know, you got five games left. Everything's in front
of you, everything's there. So I mean, there's no time
to panic for Atlanta because if they do win the division,
then they do get into the playoffs, and then they

(01:38:44):
win a playoff game, and you know that's just Cousins
being Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Well, and that's I think the question.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
I don't know that I can think of many athletes
who we've watched play for this long and we still
can't make up our mind on them. Like equally, I
could walk into a sports bar, sit down on an
NFL Sunday and have people be like, well, I mean
Kirk Cousins quality quarterback, and the very next person in

(01:39:16):
the next seat could just be like Kirk Cousins eye roll,
can't win on primetime, can't win a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Look at their schedule this year. They're now six and six.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I could argue two of their wins are total miracles,
absolute miracles. Their win in Philadelphia Week two, the Eagles
had a ninety eight win percentage with a minute a
half to go in the game, they pulled off a miracle.
They did it again against Tampa Bay Week eight.

Speaker 3 (01:39:54):
Or actually, actually I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
About the Week five, the overtime game where they'd be
to up a Bay.

Speaker 3 (01:40:01):
So what Kirk.

Speaker 2 (01:40:03):
Cousins is amazing at is being good enough to get
your team to sort of look like they're good. But
I've never actually seen him quarterback a team that's actually
really good, like really threatening in the playoffs. It's never happened,

(01:40:29):
So I don't even know. I still don't even know
exactly who he is.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
Look, but we know where your future is. They know
what their.

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Future is well, sure, it's Michael Pettick.

Speaker 4 (01:40:38):
Yeah, so that's it.

Speaker 5 (01:40:40):
They just look, man, they got an opportunity to win
a division, and so that's what they're getting ready to
push for it. I love the coach, right, you know,
love the energy of the city. I mean that was

(01:41:02):
that's my original team. That's who drafted me. I will
always be a Falcon, original dirty bird. And I think
they're fine. I think they're fine. Can they win the
Super Bowl this year?

Speaker 4 (01:41:15):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:41:16):
No, They're not very many teams that we can even
legitimately say have a chance to win the Super Bowl
outside of four.

Speaker 4 (01:41:31):
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 3 (01:41:33):
Four? You're saying only four teams.

Speaker 4 (01:41:35):
I said, who legitimately have a chance to win the
Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:41:37):
Ah, that feels like a little bit of a low number.
I mean the Lions, the Eagles, the Chiefs, and the Bills.
Are those the teams that you're thinking about.

Speaker 4 (01:41:44):
I think those are the four that are at the
top of the list.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Yeah, I guess so. I'm gonna be stubborn about the Ravens,
but I hear you.

Speaker 4 (01:41:53):
Yeah, but based off of.

Speaker 5 (01:41:58):
History and what we're seeing now, you still want up
double down on the Ravens. Yeah, they have the worst
passing defense in the league.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
Are you kidding? I know, no show, no show.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
Although oddly the worst pass defense in the league. I
think Jalen Hurts attempted three passes today. Yeah exaggerating, Yeah,
he had to. They have no interest in even trying
to throw the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
You know who does have an interest in throwing the
ball our quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
And that's one steven deep pass to Seger.

Speaker 8 (01:42:35):
Also, I'll add the Ravens committed their one hundredth penalty
of the season last month. They no leads the league
as well. You mentioned the Atlanta loss at home. It
was seventeen to thirteen to the Chargers. Kirk Cousins through
four interceptions, including three of the last four possessions ending
in picks. The other quarterback in this game, Justin Herbert.

(01:42:57):
The only interception he's thrown all year came in Week two.
He's now gone ten straight games without throwing an interception.
The NFL record is eleven straight by Tom Brady in
twenty ten. And I must talk about the crazy Josh
Allen touchdown that you reference. They have just ended the
third quarter at snowy Buffalo. The Bills lead twenty eight

(01:43:17):
to ten over the forty nine ers. Josh Allen threw
a short pass near the goal line to Amari Cooper
who was being tackled in the snow, and shoveled it
if I can use that verb back to the quarterback
who then ran for the pylon seven yards touchdown. It
was a passing play and he ran it in allan,

(01:43:38):
so he gets credit for a touchdown pass and a
touchdown catch. Now that apparently had only happened three times
in NFL history where the guy who threw it wound
up scoring on the play. Marcus Mariota in a playoff
game a few years ago did so, scoring on a
deflected pass for a touchdown. The amazing thing is if

(01:44:00):
you look at the stats, yes, Josh Allen got credit
for a touchdown pass. It was a passing play. He
got a touchdown receiving, but not a reception. There are
no targets or receptions for Josh Allen because he didn't
actually catch the pass.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
So very very strange.

Speaker 8 (01:44:16):
Meanwhile, the Niners defense has allowed at least one hundred
and twenty five yards rushing back to back games that
had only happened once for San Francisco in the last
thirty years they allowed that number on the ground just
in the first half of tonight's game. James Cook on
twelve carries has one hundred and seven yards, including the
sixty five yard TD with the speed down the sideline
in the first half.

Speaker 4 (01:44:37):
In the snow it.

Speaker 8 (01:44:38):
Was Buffalo with touchdowns on their last three drives of
the first half. The lead now twenty eight to ten
over San Francisco to start the fourth quarter, and Niners
star running back Christian McCaffrey limped off in the first
half with a knee injury. He will not return. This
would be win number seven in a row for the Bills.
Philadelphia won its eighth straight Jalen Hurts a touchdown pas

(01:45:00):
and a touchdown run in a win at Baltimore twenty
four to nineteen. Philadelphia has the league's top rank defense
and led twenty four to twelve late in this game.
Saquon Barkley one hundred and seven yards rushing and a
touchdown justin Tucker, you did bring him up earlier. He
made a fifty yard field goal before halftime, but in
the third quarter he missed from forty seven and fifty

(01:45:20):
three yards and missed an early pat as I recall
last year, he did not make a single field goal
beyond fifty yards the whole season. Tampa Bay in overtime
won at Carolina twenty six twenty three Chase McLoughlin with
three late field goals, including a fifty one yarder at
the end of regulation. The Rams were down at the
half at New Orleans six nothing. Rams won at twenty

(01:45:42):
one to fourteen. Taysom Hill for the Saints was carted
off in the fourth quarter with a leg injury. MRI
coming Monday, but it's a possible season ender. According to
NFL Network, West Virginia fired coach Neil Brown, Perdue fired
coach Ryan Walters a reminder this Friday on Fox. Team
the number ten Boise State host number nineteen UNLV in

(01:46:03):
the Mountain West Championship game eight pm Eastern time, NBA.
The Lakers have won at Utah one oh five, one
oh four, Utah Jazz four and sixteen. Houston beat Oklahoma
City one nineteen one sixteen Fred van Vliet thirty eight points,
and Cleveland ended the Celtics seven game winning streak one
fifteen to one eleven. Jalen Brown was out with illness.

(01:46:24):
Jason Tatum thirty three points in the loss. It's been
snowing all night in Buffalo. They've just started the fourth
quarter video review coming. This could take a while. Twenty
eight ten, Buffalo in the lead back to you a squat.

Speaker 2 (01:46:38):
Yeah, look at this one. So brock Ferdy h third
and five goes to release a pass. It's one of
those that's sort of like before before you even get
ready to throw, the ball just sort of flies right
out the back of your hand, and I don't think
the arm was coming forward before that thing scort it
right out, and Buffalo recovered that that was the call

(01:47:00):
in the field.

Speaker 3 (01:47:02):
You see that one any.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
Differently, No, I see it just like that.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
Yeah, the Niners look miserable.

Speaker 4 (01:47:08):
I mean, look, it doesn't look miserable.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
Remember we started to show what you asking me something
doesn't matter?

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Yes, I think the answer is.

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
It matters.

Speaker 2 (01:47:21):
Yeah, it helps to be nine and two and at
home and up by double digits and all of those things.
But you know, a little chicken of the egg there.
Maybe they're they're comfort with This.

Speaker 3 (01:47:36):
Leads to that, but.

Speaker 2 (01:47:39):
Everything for the forty nine ers has been miserable all
year long, and that goes.

Speaker 3 (01:47:47):
To July.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Honestly started off.

Speaker 3 (01:47:54):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
That goes back to the draft when they were already
arguing with Brandon Ayuk and then you know, you pointed
this out last week. Everybody came back from that Super
Bowl loss with potentially the wrong thing on their mind.
Although I get it, you'll never hear me criticize them

(01:48:15):
for it because they're human beings and they do something
that's really dangerous and painful. But they did not come
back to camp with winning more football games on their mind.
They came back with money on their mind.

Speaker 4 (01:48:29):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
And here we are.

Speaker 4 (01:48:37):
Yeah, that's a big sig right there.

Speaker 5 (01:48:41):
I mean, and look, this is a great opportunity for
Christian McCaffrey to shut it down for the rest of
the year. Hill Up, they got some serious decisions to
make this offseason. Hopefully Brandon Nyuk is ahead of schedule
and he's getting stronger, and you know they subsequent they
don't have to play pay Brock party next year, so

(01:49:04):
they can't get it. They don't have to, No.

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
They don't. You're you're not wrong. I always think with
the quarterback, that's such an interesting one though. You know,
this idea of like you don't have to you don't.
He doesn't have to show up either.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Yeah, but he will, Yeah, yeah he will, yeah, okay, yeah, because.

Speaker 4 (01:49:27):
He doesn't have any leverage.

Speaker 2 (01:49:29):
He doesn't brock Berty absolutely suck out loud if he
doesn't play.

Speaker 5 (01:49:33):
Yeah, but I'm saying he doesn't have any leverage. If
he sits out the year, you don't get the year back.

Speaker 2 (01:49:40):
No, I know, but you you can show up week
seven and you can. Like everyone, The big leverage play
that everyone always talks about in those situations is why
do you start seeing him miss game checks?

Speaker 3 (01:49:52):
Well, guess what.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Brock Purdy's game checks are twelve dollars and forty three cents.

Speaker 4 (01:49:56):
So, like I said, he doesn't make enough to sit out.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
Sure does.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
He makes more from Toyota right now than he does.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
What if I'm not playing, he's not doing Toyota.

Speaker 2 (01:50:07):
Yeah, but I'm not risking my fifty million dollars a
year contract by playing football where I could. I don't know,
like Tara ucl, I'm not doing that for game checks
that are seventy thousand dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
Well, they've shown that they can find somebody to come
in and play quarterback, right all they I mean, they
keep doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
I don't know they found him on Earth. I'll take
someone who can't play.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
I'll take Kirk Cousins for a year next year when
Atlanta wants to move whatever that is, right, You get
what I'm saying, I do. There's an avenue for if
if Brock purty, which I don't think this will ever happen. Besides,
he's gonna sit out a year, the most important year
of his professional career. Like to me, that doesn't seem

(01:51:07):
like something that's going to happen. So what I'm saying
is in order to you know, continue to build that
team and put younger pieces around, you don't have to
pay Brock party next year. Now you can, but you
don't have to. And that's the point. So you know,

(01:51:34):
that's the way I see it.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Yep, No, I like that, and that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
People are making it seem like they don't have any options.

Speaker 2 (01:51:43):
There are options, Oh, Football teams always have options.

Speaker 5 (01:51:46):
There are options, whether you want to execute those options
are not Dallas Cowboys, you have options.

Speaker 2 (01:51:55):
Buffalo turns the fumble into six, Josh Allen another touchdown,
it's thirty five ten and indeed you're probably gonna see
all the forty nine ers get shut down. I would
venture to guess you'll see Josh Dobbs when we come back.

Speaker 3 (01:52:10):
Coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:52:11):
Though I referenced that Dan Campbell audio that press conference earlier.
We now have the sound. I want y'all to hear
this and then and then we can react to it
and go from there. So we'll do that next with
THEE from Salama Mark Whillard in the Tirek dot.

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Com studios on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
All right, the holidays are here, December's here, We're here
tyraq dot Com Studios with THEE from.

Speaker 3 (01:52:39):
Salama Mark Whillard.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
So I want you to hear this man, because I'd
love to get your reaction. And I got to raise
my hand and be like, yep, I was one of
the people who was laughing at Dan Campbell when he
got hired by the Lions. We're gonna bite a kneecap
and we get all that stuff. I'm like, who is
this guy? And now I'm like, wow, this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:03):
And.

Speaker 3 (01:53:05):
I accept the warts.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
I still think he blew the playoff game in San
Francisco last year.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
I will always think that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:14):
Because he did, because he did ye secret he blew it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
So like sometimes I think we get stuck into that
like good coach, bad coach. It's like, no, you, Kyle Shanahan,
very good coach having a bad year, having a bad year,
Dan Campbell culture changer. That's more important than calling every playwright.

Speaker 3 (01:53:41):
In my opinion, I agree with that. Okay, so but
check this out.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
So this is from a press conference yesterday where a
reporter starts asking about Jamier Gibbs potentially sending out on
social media accidentally pictures of the Lions whiteboard where their
plays are written up.

Speaker 3 (01:54:01):
Go ahead and play it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
Gives posted a photo of Jefferson with a bunch of
you know, lingo on the whiteboard of the prunting there
room behind him.

Speaker 10 (01:54:10):
Oh, I didn't know that. I did not know that. Okay, yeah,
I need to check on that. Then, did not know
that I'd rather our stuff not be out there? Thanks gone? Yeah,
I'd rather our stuff not be out there. Thanks gone.
There was no any more questions. Is anybody else want

(01:54:35):
to talk about?

Speaker 4 (01:54:35):
That's a pressing issue. He's going to handle it right now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
Gone gone.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
And I bet you know, I don't know that we'll
get an announcement. I bet David Montgomery might.

Speaker 3 (01:54:52):
Get at least a few extra series this week.

Speaker 5 (01:54:54):
Oh yeah, yep, it's your job, man, It's not a game.
Social media is not your job. I don't care how
many followers you got, that's not your job.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
It feels like Dan Campbell and the Lions are on
an absolute collision course with the Super Bowl and it's
just going to be. It's one of those stories in
sports where you're watching a team and you're like, well,
that's the team, but like, let's just let's see if
they can do it. You know a lot of times

(01:55:36):
you'll have a collection of teams and you're like, well,
I can't wait to see, like who's sort of you know,
does the cream rise? Like, to me, it's just Detroit
and can they do it? And that's with all due
respect to Philadelphia, because they've certainly they've proven themselves this
time around in a way that at the end of

(01:55:57):
last year they did not. So I'll give them that credit,
even though I think Justin Tucker totally blew the game today.
I'll give them that credit. They've won eight in a row.
They they they've deserved that. But the NFC this year
feels to me like that's the story. It's the Lions

(01:56:17):
and can they do it?

Speaker 5 (01:56:19):
Yeah, and I think they came in with a different
mindset than the Niners did. The Niners had been, you know,
hovering and circling around this rarefied air for the last
five years. Uh, they just haven't attained their goal. They

(01:56:40):
haven't obtained their goal. So I don't know if did
that make it a missry missed the field goal. You
couldn't even see this just coming.

Speaker 3 (01:56:50):
Heading into the night. Looks like a redeer.

Speaker 4 (01:56:52):
Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Who knows.

Speaker 2 (01:56:55):
Somebody tell me, I'll believe anything anyway, Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:56:58):
But.

Speaker 5 (01:57:00):
It's not lost on Detroit and Dan Campbell how they
lost and gave up that NFC Championship game. So they
came in. He came in the whole team, which takes
on his personality in his persona, came in with something
to prove. And that's how they're attacking and approaching each
game with something to prove, no matter if things go

(01:57:21):
right or wrong within those games. They have a different
level of focus that the Niners and other teams don't have,
and I think that's why they're so dangerous. I think
they were on the cusp of doing something they had
never done before ever, and they understand why they didn't

(01:57:48):
do it, why it didn't happen. And I think that's
the biggest thing to understand on this journey, is well,
why didn't it happen? And they are they understand that.
That's why they're winning the close games. It's coming down
to the you know, to the wire. They're eleven and

(01:58:10):
one for the first time ever. Mm hmm, and they're
not blowing every team out. They have to win the
close one, right. Yeah, they're putting up fifty two on people,
but sometimes you gotta win by three.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
Sometimes you need to ask the other team to just
run the clock out.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
It happens when the field goal range.

Speaker 5 (01:58:31):
Good teams, fine ways, fine ways to win. They got
a huge game next Sunday at home, no snow inside of.

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Course Thursday, actually Thursday, we are four we are four
days away.

Speaker 3 (01:58:44):
Yes, green Bay in Detroit.

Speaker 4 (01:58:46):
They flex that, huh.

Speaker 3 (01:58:48):
Uh huh flex it's a Thursday. And then they get
Buffalo in Detroit the year the week after that, so
I can't give them a home field advantage.

Speaker 5 (01:58:55):
Yet they they got green Bay, they got Buffalo at
the band.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
Yeah, Minnesota too, and they have a trip to San Francisco,
which a while Ago looked tough.

Speaker 4 (01:59:07):
Yeah they're clicking, man, Yeah, they clicking.

Speaker 3 (01:59:11):
Yeah. So that's the squad and you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:15):
Over the next fourteen days, we'll get a real good
view on whether or not they can step into that
role or not. Hey man, Happy Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving and great
great stuff as always, absolutely all right for ephrom salam.
I'm Mark, Willard Plank and Spaniard coming up next, So
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