Martin Weiss & Alex Monaco talk all things GAME 7, Lakers Sale & more!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (00:05):
We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios here
on the eve of the two best words in sports.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Game seven.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
That's right, Alex Monico, Martin Wise here joining you.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
That's not all the WAP.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm Martin Weiss, joined here by Alex Monico. Alex, So
pleasure to be here with you, my friend.

Speaker 4 (00:27):
Fired up Marin, Absolute honor and pleasure. You know how
much we talked ball off air. Fired out to be
talking on with you. So Alex, you find him on
MSG networks. He is doing all types of stuff for
the Knicks, the Liberty, the Rangers, the who else?

Speaker 2 (00:43):
You tell me.

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Listen, we got an action packed network. Little Devil's Little
Islanders shout out of course, the Sabers. Yeah, we're we're
all encompassing there in the Northeast, but mainly the Knicks
as we know.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
And uh, maybe we'll touch on the next potential trade
destination for Kevin de May.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
I don't know. Maybe they'll hire a coach.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
I don't know, maybe they'll just you know what, in
NBA history, it would be a team like the Knicks
to have that player coach, aspect or maybe they'll just
do an Aau style and have Rick Brunton slide over
one seat. But you know what, that's off season news,
and I for one refuse to discuss offseason news when
again we are on the day only one day better
than this. This is number twenty fourth. I'm with here the

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day before Game seven Oklahoma City and the Oklahoma City
Thunder and the Indiana Pacers and a series in which
Alex I mean I was, I was told, you know,
it's two small markets. No one's gonna watch it, tall
small mark. Why did anybody even want to watch this?
And why did anybody even care? And then you consider
the fact that it's David versus Goliath because OKC is

(01:45):
just this mountain of a team with sixty eight wins,
but Jay Kills's elephant MVP and they got more picks.
They're set up to the next ten years. That went
seven to ten, not one, not two, not three.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, you know what, they.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Didn't win the last game as I got pounded by
the Indiana Pacers, who you know, secretly quietly back to
back Eastern Conference finals and going through it as you
sit here and watch it, you know, me and you
were both big Vegas.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Guys know it. I don't care what the odds were.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
This series was way closer than anybody had factored into
and in Game seven I expect a close margin as well.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Martin, this is a as you allude to two favorite words
in all of sports. Game seven it is gets your
t o popcorn ready type box office. For me, I
love the Indiana Pacers story. I had to take my medicine. Obviously.
I was on the Knicks to the whole Eastern Conference run.
And then I saw in person, well, Rick Carlisle and
his staff does and they have outfoxed every single coaching

(02:48):
staff to this point and pre flop on this series,
and I was all over the Pacers Martin. I had
it kind of like a metaphor. This is a little
Andy Reid vers Kyle Shanahan, not exactly stylistic, just a
head coach in his mid sixties. Sure, and Mark, I
call Marky Mark and the funky bunch over there haven't
seen everything at all at forty years old.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Just for the rest of America.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
He's talking about Mark dagnauld who that's the guy who's
standing up wearing the quartership on Oklahoma City sideline.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
He's the head coach.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
I know that, seriously, you might be able to sell
Mark Dadnel disguises for Halloween, not costumes.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
But in all seriousness, Mark Martin, this is a forty
year old who had not obviously had the adversity. And
that's the one thing with the OKC kind of narrative
going into the series and the whole season. They were,
believe it or not, one of the most favored teams
up to this series in the history of NBA basketball.
But no one was looking at really what this was

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a Pacers team, depth for depth, player for player as
versatile as this Thunder team has been. But no one
had it on their bingo card that this was a
Pacers team that was going to go out and take
the East. Now, okay, see I claimed me won the
West by default. They were just a little bit of
turnover from last year. Pepper And and Crusoe, pepper and and Hartenstein,

(04:08):
and no one was prepared in the West. Yeah, Julius Randall,
two point zero you prayed for and then they went against.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Two teams with no coach.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
And that was to me going into the series, how
I was telling myself that the Pacers were just disrespected,
whether it was Vegas or on Natty TV.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
And I know you were on Indiana.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
But here we are in game seven, where anything can happen,
and are we gonna go with the adult in the
room here? Are we gonna go with the guy that's
ever been there, who already messed with the flow and
the funk sway by starting Casey Wallace game one?

Speaker 2 (04:37):
And I think, okay, so people will be like, all right,
I get it, but they're in a fourteen point leading
game one. What it's about the mentality? To me, it's
about the attitude.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
To me, like, we just sat here and watched three
games that a Dodgers played the padres, Right, yeah, and
there's guys the rookie pitcher who witch Tatis in the
bank that was on accident, right, but you know what
shilt the manager's padres. He said, I don't care if
it's a lie. We fight on that lie. You hit
my guy again. I don't give a good dog going
I'm going out there. I'm going to deal with it.

(05:07):
Everybody kind of knows that was not on purpose, but
you know what, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I love it. At this point we're.

Speaker 3 (05:13):
Fighting, and so to me, the attitude. That's the attitude
that I'm having. If I'm this sixty eight win team,
if I'm the team that has dominated as regular season,
I just team that dominated the conference finals. Meanwhile, on
the other side of Indiana is the one that the Knicks.
However you want to say, this series kind of played
out to me. We have been sleeping on Indiana this

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entire time. We have not given them that level of respect.
And when I think about Okays in the way that
you're talking about them, they do. Everybody keeps saying this
that if Indiana somehow wins this series, that is everything
we know about basketball is thrown out of the window.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
And I get where people are coming from because they're saying,
wait a minute, you got one of the best records
in the regular season at the league, MVP.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
You know what, Yeah, that.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Team should win over a six what sixth seed in
the playoffs? Yeah, that team should win over like that
team should win. But one of the things that has
always been true of NBA playoffs is where did you
take your lumps?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Say it again?

Speaker 3 (06:18):
So like Oklahoma City got washed out of the second
round by Kyrie and Luca last year, yep.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
That where's oh.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
Indiana is the team that took that bump in the
Eastern Conference Final. When Jalen Brown came out afterwards and said,
in a five game gentleman's sweep, I believe if it
was not four to Roho and in general, no, it
was four to zher and but in the three in
games one, three, and four, the margin was less than
seven points. And Jalen Brown was like, I don't know
what these dudes were doing. They were shooting like Devil's

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magic into the room and everything was going in. And
that's a series in which your one of your stars,
Tyre's Haliburton got hurt, and you give me another regular
season with that other than built in Indiana to me
has more playoff bona fides, And I know it's easy
to say now than Oklahoma City did, but I thought
this going into the series, which is why I picked Indiana.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I love that Martin. Just to add to your
train of thought here.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
Now, no one wanted to live in this reality that
this OKCS median age was will be would be the
youngest championship team since the late Bill Walton seventies Blazers,
and I kept calling them the pups. They're the pups.
We talked off air, we talk on air about it.

(07:34):
It's a different regular season. This team just showed up
every night in the regular season, and again, to your thought,
has not ran into except for Denver who was banged up.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
With no coach. Jokich is a player coach.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
They're halfway to a Serbian horse race because he knows
they're not going the season biscuit distance. And here we are,
outside of a ag hamstring in game seven, talking about
a adverse at a non adverse run to the finals,
and look at what we're staring at Game seven, where
anything can happen.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'll tell you. I'll put it like this.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Oh, during the first run of the playoffs, I unveiled
my if you're up three to zero, we should just
call it a sweep take because of the Oklahoma City
Memphis series, so we don't need to see f.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Fourth game if this Memphis doesn't deserve another home.

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Game of this series. Yeah, but this is the thing
about Okay see to me as well. They remind me
of one of the most confounding things that I find
in the food world.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Oh you're going there. I love it. Yogurt yogurt.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Frozen yogurt okay is fire right, you put the right
toppings on it, you can get to it.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Regular yogurt smells terrible, It's disgusting, and the only thing
that changed is the temperature of it.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
See when they got a ten point lead, fifteen point lead,
they can't lose.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
It feels like they can't lose, can't miss, can't.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
And then as soon as the heat turns up, as
soon as cheed Holmgren is guarded by somebody who's just
about the same size as him but also actually eats
more sandwiches. Right, as soon as that happens, he erace
from the game. He's in his head, right as soon
as that happens. Now, SGA I think is still solid.

(09:21):
I think SGA, you can pencil him in. He's gonna
at least rise to the moment. He's gonna take the shots, right,
so some guys are not taking these shots. Does JDub
have it in him then, knowing this is the elimination
game to step up and really hoop like that. I
don't think check does based off of this series. Now,
maybe he will down the line. These guys are in

(09:43):
year three, right, so This is way sped up for them.
They are taking calculus right now in the eighth grade.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
However, we're here now, baby, it's time to take the class.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
And on the other side of this thing you got
Rick Carlisle, who's already won the championship against a formidable
Lebron and all that.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Pascal Siakam, who probably.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
The best player on a championship team, like already like
definitely definitely lifted the trophy. And Tyres Haliburton has shown
he may have seven points in the fourth forty, he
may have fifteen, but with two seconds left, down by one,
if he's got the ball, you probably feel good about it.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
To me, you're laying out a case where we have
to take the adults in the room, Martin. And what's
fascinating is this whole series has been Can you think
for yourself as a knower of ball, do you know
how many times I get chirped on the bird about
I don't know ball I took. I took the next

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play you six to one as underdogs against Boston, not
because I work for MSG, because I was watching Boston
banged up outside of Derek White in their starting five.
That's new information. Well, what are we seeing here? Rick
Carlisle is a better coach right now than Mark. They
are debt for depth. And then let's call what it is.

(11:04):
Let me pose this to you Game seven at your crib.
Is the pressure with you and knowing the whole world
was on you at home to show up and show out?
Or is actually the pressure going to be reversed? Everyone
thinks it should be on Indiana. I think the pressures
at home on Oklahoma City, who, as you laid it out,
has not been there before, and they're young in these

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in these spots, this is gonna be a first quarter under,
slow start to the game, feel it out chess match,
and I'm going with the more veteran club.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
Baby.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Just look at some of the shooting percentages for the
Thunder through this series, and then look at the scoring
output for the Pacers, Like, who's going for thirty on
the Pacers? I know nobody. Nobody's going for thirty on
the Pacers. It's not happening, and you know why because
nobody cares.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
It's like it's the most uh Ega Harran this strip.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Like if this was the NFL and AJ Brown played
for the Pacers, he'd be reading a book freaking out
right now.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Because he's like, why don't I have the ball?

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Everybody's fine with it, it is it's the way that
they way they're in to move the ball, the way
they can't get fifteen to twenty points off of the
bench from Obie Topping, Like that's not supposed to happen.
And one of the things that I think, because we
thought we talked about the depth for both of these
teams as we were previewing this series, right, and it's
like the way that Indiana plays was I viewed it

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as a negative, right, Who's gonna score thirty on the team?
Nobody apparently doesn't When we got two guys, if ten
guys scored twenty, that's two hundreds, it doesn't matter, right,
So it doesn't matter. But their bench, the Pacers bench,
Obie Topping been in the league for a long time,
like these TJ McConnell been in the league. He was
a processed sixer. TJ McConnell. That's how long he's been

(12:52):
in the league. Right, Yeah, these other guys are for
the Oklahoma City Thunder. Their bench players are also younger players.
James Johnson. Yes, two things you know it's Karai. He's
also have been in the NBA for twenty five years,
so he can sit there and pull somebody to the
side when they're not having a good game. You know,
sayings can talk to somebody up when they're not having
a good games that I've been here before. This is
how it's done. Who's doing that for chet Holmgan?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Let me ask you this, because we look at the
Super Bowl, we look at the NFL as a who's
gonna win the turnover battle and be more fundamentally sound
to win the playoff game to win the big game?
Right Well, now there's no more games in the series.
It's game seven, Mark. We talked about it prior to
Game six. Ok see twenty one turnovers Indiana ten, Game five,

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Indiana twenty two. Okay, see eleven. Outside of game one,
whoever won the turnover battle won the game.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Do you think a little bit of fundamental kind of
slam here?

Speaker 4 (13:43):
But do you think the team that protects the rock
better wins the game?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
That simple?

Speaker 3 (13:47):
It's that simple in part because neither one of these
teams have great half court offense, so turnovers lead to
what points?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Unless you're in Game one? But turnovers generally hit the points, and.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
That will be the reason why I am picking the
Indiana Pacers to go ahead and upset this on and
make a ton of uncomfortable conversations in Oklahoma City. You
know what will be you know what this I just
want to say this out loud, just the case that happens. Please,
could you imagine a world Oklahoma City prohibitive favorite in

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the West all year, loses in a crushing, soul crushing
seven game series and then is joined by Kevin Durant.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh, I love it, And you want to talk about
a Hollywood script. We're in Hollywood, baby, he look.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
It would just be like, look, you guys crush me
for game seven losers and me going and take them.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Over the top. That's just what I do. I love it,
mar is what I do. I love it.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Coming up next, and listen, I know we tell a
lot of jokes and we have, you know, tell jokes
on the show and have a good time. But if
you can hear me right now, make sure you are
not exhibiting.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
The behavior of one backup quarterback because you will be
getting pulled over. Be safe out here, people. We'll get
to that in just a moment, Martin Weiss, Alex Monico
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and we'll do it with great speed. We'll do it
very quickly. We'll do it fast, all right, We'll do
it in a rush. National Dor Sanders was reported. There's
a reporting that the Shorg Sanders was doing all of
that speeding. Got pulled over twice in a week or
twice in a month, I should say twice in a month.

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Got pulled over the most recent time the day after
the court date for his first speeding ticket that he
did not go to as Monica, what was your first
thoughts when you heard about pick one forty four trying
to hit one forty four on the spata hometer.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I'm a big fan of pick one forty four.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
I'm hoping he continues to move up the Madden depth
chart here in the offseason.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
I'm a big fan of shador.

Speaker 4 (16:28):
I think he's very much an NFL quarterback in today's league.
This obviously doesn't help. I mean, you know it, The
Browns quarterback room's more crowded than the five Freeway on
a Saturday from San Diego to La up here. So obviously,
when you're Stefanski and you're Andrew Barry, among others, you're

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not thrilled.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
But we talked off. Here'll toss it back to you.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
I thought he handled himself as best he could in
that scenario.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Well, look, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
It's hard to be first at the facility if you're
not in a rush. I'm just kidding, because I can't
imagine he was going to the facility at twelve twenty Tuesday,
morth it was Thursday morning.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
I got pulled over. You're right, you're right.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
You know that's one of those that's the real investigative
before where it gets the worm right, it was a
school night, yet worked the next day night.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
College campus is open at that hour to study.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I'll say this, I am not a fan of Sir
George Sanders speeding that much at all. I think it's
a sign of immaturity and really stupidity. But I think
it's also the type of I think it's the type
of intelligence that if you do not have it early,
you are granted with it as you, as I say,
survive your twenties. Right, I've made a ton of dumb

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mistakes that I did not even realize how dumb they
were until I was in my thirties and forties. However,
there were never millions of dollars on the line for
me at the time.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
So I'd like to think you step out of it.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
But sure, But to your point, when you watch the
video of the interaction with the police officer, seemed very pleasant,
very like you know, you watch these things and you're like,
oh god, here it goes.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Now what and he's kind of just like you got me,
all right, here's my ticket.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
You know, he had one moment where he asked what
the other officer was doing, but a very very how
you would imagine how you would hope that the traffic
stop like this would go right, And is another thing
that shows me kind of what I've been on is that, like,
I'm not absolving Shador Sanders for driving too fast.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
I think it was dumb.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
I also think that of all the legalities going on
in the Browns quarterback room, this is probably.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
The easiest to deal with. I'm with you on that.
Dylan Gabriel is sitting back like I don't do anything
wrong anyway.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
I think of all the different issues in Cleveland, this
one is the easiest to deal with, right. But I
do think it's another thing just thro on pick. He
shouldn't be doing this type of thing. But the way
you respond to this type of stuff is how I think.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You should be judged.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
And I also I read it that he didn't show
up to the arraignment, which that is how it reads legally.
Since I have heard other people in NFL circles discuss this,
it feels like that could have been much more of
a miscommunication than anything, as opposed to a malicious I'm
not showing up to this, which is how how I
thought initially it happened. Can you spin this if you're

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shitur with your coach, Well, I's slow it down first
before I spend anything.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
But in all honest, I mean, look, this is he's
a quarterback. It was a it was an interception, if
you will. Metaphor was speaking, and all you can do
is go back out and pick your team up. Sure,
is there anything obviously he can learn from this, But
is there anything he can speak on that puts him
in good graces with his coaches? In the quarterback room,
you ironically also have Joe Flacco has been a father

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of how many for so long? I mean it's almost
like he's a colder sack quarterback at this point. Sure,
but you're you're in a room with a lot of
leaders of men, but you're also someone that has extra
eyeballs on you. Can you use this Martin and flip
it around for a positive if you will?

Speaker 3 (20:15):
I think the only play is to slow down, like
you already have this target on your back, and I,
for one, try to give guys who are in this
position a bit of grace.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
And the position he's in is that.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
He has a legendary father who everybody has an opinion on. Yep,
and for all intents and purposes, when I listen to
him talk. He seems normal. I think that is a
miraculous thing to have happen. If my dad was Deon
s Anders, I would be an insufferable jerk. If my

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dad was Lebron James, I would be in a sufferable jerk. Okay,
I live on an island somewhere, Like you know, I
was saying, like people would be taking like people online
would hate me because of all the things that I do.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
I wouldn't be a professional athlete. Why my dad's like
they're millionaires, they've they've already done it. So like I
give guys, especially because I think, like Shador said it himself,
he said, I think ninety percent of the hate that
I receive is based off people's opinions about my father.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
I I to one hundred percent think that's the case
with Brandy James. When you see the outrage that happens,
how can you take the fifty fifth overall?

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Pick? Oh my god, the humanity? Right? But like so
I think when you see these guys, I think there
is a.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Level, even on a smaller scale a Lonzo Ball and
LaMelo Ball, and you look at their dad and how
he was, and then you look at them in the pros.
I think there's something to it, right, So I think
I give grace to guys who seem to be normal
despite having rock star parents. It doesn't mean he could play,
That doesn't mean no last in the NFL. It just

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means to me, he seems to have a better head
on his shoulders than I think.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
It's being discussed. Well, you made a good point. He
handled it.

Speaker 4 (22:02):
He downplayed everything. He was clearly handling that all with.
I guess you, what do you call good manners in
that is? This is manners prevalent in that moment. I mean,
just you know, so now it's to me, it's a moment,
but it's not a crazy blow it up story, right
because he handled himself like a professional in that moment

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the best he could.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
This is what it is. It's something you put in
the book. Now, it's on the first page of the book.
How long is the book going to be?

Speaker 2 (22:31):
The book?

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Maybe one page long on that side, and then nobody
will care at ten years from now. If the book
is ten years long, then guess what it won't be
in the NFL for all of them. I'll guarantee you
that acts now from there to a guy who's in
the NFL for way longer than ten.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Years, but leader of men questionable? All right.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
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Speaker 7 (23:17):
Hello, guys, there is baseball tonight. Of course, it's Saturday
on Fox TV and most of the country seeing the
Mets at Phillies. The Mets are a game back at
first place Philadelphia in the nl EAS Mets have lost
seven in a row. They're leading at Philly tonight, four
to three. In the bottom of the fourth inning, the
Mets hit back to back to back home runs. In
the third, Francisco Lindor with his fifteenth Brandon Nemo has

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hit two. Tonight, he has fifteen. Juan Soto hit his
fifteenth of the year. Part of the country seeing the
game from San Diego, where the Padres are ahead two
to one on the Royals in the top of the fifth.
Kansas City has won four straight. Saint Louis won its
fifth straight game and eleven inning win over Cincinnati six
to five. Cubs ten winners against Seattle. Toronto held the

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White Sox to two hits in a seven to one
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Devers exit Boston homerd Texas a three to two winner
at Pittsburgh, losing pitcher Mitch Keller now one and ten.
Atlanta got a seven nothing win at Miami Braves pitcher
Chris Sale, who is hurt this week goes on the
injured list with a fractured rib cage. Milwaukee won nine

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nothing at Minnesota. Yankees nine nothing winners over Baltimore Clark
Schmidt the win Orioles held just one hit today. Tampa
Bay still a game and a half behind the Yankees
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of the fifth against Coastal Carolina, which has won twenty
six games in a row. Two WNBA games on the
slate LA at Minnesota Tonight Minnesota eleven and one. Phoenix
won now eleven and four after a victory at Chicago
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the travelers by three strokes. Jason Day is five.

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Speaker 2 (25:42):
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Speaker 2 (26:01):
Love the show. Thank you go, Pacers, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
So there you go, oh Pacers, And maybe I'll learn
how to read phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
It just gave me a ride.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
So, speaking of I got no segway. All right, Aaron
Rodgers and the Pittsburgh Steelers, now we're talking, all right, Well,
speaking of talking, there you go. Aaron Rodgers apparently had
a conversation with Mark Shlaret. I know this because Mark
Schlaret said that Aaron and I had a conversation about
when he was with the Jets and how abysmal their

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running game was and now schematically it made no sense.
I started the conversation, and then Aaron went on for
about a twenty five minute diatribe on just their run game.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
I had two thoughts immediately.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
The first, Aaron Rodgers picked that offensive coordinator in New
York picked the wide receivers in New York.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
The only thing he didn't pick was the running back.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
So No.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
One three. You had an issue with the running game.

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Secondly, I had a thought, it is terrifying considering the
lot of things that Aaron Rodgers could go on a
twenty five minute.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Diatribe about Slaers. Was lucky that this one was the
run game. Now that's a top tier Joe. Right.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
With all that being said, Alex Monico, the soccer is
finally over, Aaron Rodgers, will is it? Pittsburg's dealer slotted
in the QB one slot? But you know what, that
wind lost total over there in the desert, didn't wiggle?

Speaker 2 (27:26):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Mike Tomlin and Aaron Rodgers were winking at each other
during their respective press conferences, saying, sweet, nothing's about one another.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's me.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It is what June twenty first, squarely in the honeymoon stage.
All right, we're on day two of honeymoon. How does
this end?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
This ends? Martin?

Speaker 4 (27:49):
But again, I've seen some San Diego sell cal sun
right now, so I'm a little optimistic and not In
the middle of the dog.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Days was Aaron Rodgers walking on the beach. I was
in New York, York, were Aaron Rodgers. I went down swinging,
thinking he would.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
Turn the New York Jets around. But you know, Woody
Johnson presses the doctor Evil button and you go down
the history of any team with no coach in the
middle of the season, and I digress. Now, Martin, I'm
I really want to talk this out because Aaron Rodgers
last year was top ten in touchdowns, he was top

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ten in passing yards, sure, and he had no structure.
And we talk about it also too. He's he's still
you know, he's married now, but he's been a you know, apparent,
certified battel or whatever you want to call it, and
at the quarterback position.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
I think that's unique.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
But he also was playing a predominant amount of his
years with a no owner scenario in Green Bay. Now
you go from almost the playground with no supervision in
New York Jets Woody Johnson Land to adults in the
room only, to accountability, to a real culture and a
show up play ball. Well, we don't really care about

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any extra curricular. My question to you is with the
tallman record and not being under five hundred and Rogers
last year still showing he can ball, can the combination
of his talent finally resonate with a culture and end
with a trophy being lifted, because that is the Hollywood
story I want, and I feel I'm too deep in

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the Aaron Rodgers post Green Bay narrative to see anything other.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
Have they started lifting trophies for wild card birth yet?
Because if so, then yes we could see that end
with the trophy being lifted up. But outside of that, no, no,
all right, here is that a blow everybody's mind. Two
things are true, all right, let's hear it. Aaron Rodgers
is worse at quarterback today than he's ever been. Okay, man,

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I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. Aaron Rodgers
is also better than any quarterback that Pittsburgh twos have
had for the last five years.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
I love the two things can be narrative.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
So wherever one of the worst that Aaron Rodgers is
in his entire life, yeah, is somehow better than the
whatever Pittsburgh was throwing out there, all right, Kenny, In fact,
Shador Sanders can't drive fast enough.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Kenny Pickett's not making this team, all right.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
They will give Shador Sanders Uber Black, Uber Black subscription
before they have Kenny Pickett make this fifty three male roster.
So I think the Pittsburgh Steelers will end up like
they always do that. Can I just throw something to
you though?

Speaker 4 (30:30):
On the Steelers personnel side from last year, a top
ten defense, Okay, they were seventh in points against, they
were eleventh in rush yards allowed, they had the fifth
highest interception rate, and they were top two and turnover
differential at plus sixteen, which to me, we came off
the eight block talking about Pacers Thunder.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
The winner of the Protector of the Rock wins the series.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Okay, so Aaron Rodgers a cup of coffee ago had
back to back MVPs with not interceptions. If I remember
in my rain Man memory in two years, can bond
you take that? Aaron Rodgers, which I truly believe this
is center grounded Aaron Rodgers. This is a nig my,
Aaron Rodgers, There's nowhere to go in the grown man world,

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but more zen you would hope. Now you have a
top ten d a team that knows how to win
an eco football games with no quarterback going on yours plural,
and we have an opportunity to watch a top talent
with a top culture. I'm telling you right, now Vegas
has them sorely mispriced. It's almost Pacers to run the

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table mispriced.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Okay, So when you say Vegas has them mispriced, let's
let's take a second and walk back. They're twenty two
to one to win the AFC, you're saying, And that's
where you think the misprice is. So because I, me
and you were way bigger gamblers than we have let
onto this show today because I know most not everybody
is a degenerate. Yes, sweating out College Baseball World Series hunders.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Okay, So I want to paint the picture.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Do you think that the Steelers have a legitimate chance
if you ask legitimate, like, what percentage would you put
on the Steelers to win the AFC? Verse you bet
one hundred to win twenty twenty or twy two hundred
to me.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
I mean, look, Vegas tells you they're obviously not top
of the table. They're more middle of the pack. But
stranger things have happened, and I just sit here and
I go all right. The second half of the schedule
is daunting. The first half, which a lot of company cultures,
like a Johnny Harbaugh in Baltimore, like a Kansas City
Andy Reid led club.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
They take the first part of the season seriously.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
And if we're watching this team come out six and two,
are we not sitting here and reminding ourselves the one
ring Aaron Rodgers has. He did it as a sixth
seed back in the sixth seed No. Seven seed wildcard
World and ran the table on the road. I'm not
saying they're gonna win the AFC North, a top two
division in football. I'm just saying get in the tournament

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and plus money at eight and a half wins when
our guy Tomlin hasn't gone under that. Ever, we need
to start taking a step back and looking out of
the painting a little different because if Tom Brady, who yes,
obviously is a completely different leader, can go to a
Tampa Bay and win in one season because there were

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so many built in assets, where better than Pittsburgh Martin
for Aaron Rodgers to be slotted for a plug and play.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Now, I agree with that.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
I think that this is the best possible situation for
both teams. I just think the ceiling ends at about
the third floor. You're at the penthouse.

Speaker 4 (33:46):
Well, I'm not asking him to go for three point
fifty three tugs and al Fox. This is Pittsburgh Steelers football.
This is you could argue gross winning games in a
number of different ways football. This is a California dude
who plays real December football. I'm I'm just honestly fired up. Look,

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because I don't see this blowing up.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I see this, I see nine to eight. I see honestly,
this is what I hope for as a fan of
the game. And I mean this like as somebody who
thinks that I have this antiquated idea that this is
why things should happen in the way things shouldn't. I
want Aaron Rodgers and I want Mike Tomlin to win
a playoff game this year, knock off one of these

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perennial AFC powers, and then some combination of Kansas City, Buffalo,
and Baltimore will be there at the end. Pittsburgh knocked
one of those guys off in a wild card round,
whoever's not the one seed, because they'll be two in
and in, and then we see the other two play
and end up representing the AFC in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Tomlin can go off somewhere where they will appreciate him.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Rogers can go off into the sunset where you know
both can leave with a level of quote unquote on
top because I don't.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
See any level of trophy coming for either one of them. Well,
let me ask you this, what is the worst that
could happen?

Speaker 4 (35:07):
Because if Aaron Rodgers comes into the season top ten
in yards and touchdowns, then he can still pull this is.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
The worst that cand happen. I'll tell you the worst
second happened Week six.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
DK metcalf is throwing his pascifier into the stands because
Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball away again instead of throwing
to him down the rail on single coverage. Aaron Rodgers
goes to the postgame press conference, sys Well, DK wasn't
on the red line, so I didn't even know where
he's supposed to be. Then Dk Metcalf, I can pay
the bullet. I can find the way to paint the picture.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
But coming up. But okay, all right, that's fair.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
What we won't see, I think in Pittsburgh is something
we saw in Major League Baseball yesterday that is literally
the least amount of efforts you can show at any
given moment in time.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Calling it lazy is an insult to the lethargic.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
We'll get to that in just a minute, Martin Weiss,
Alex Monico, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
Listening to Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
Martin Wisse, Alex Monico, coming to you live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios on the Fox Sports Radio Saturday,
Northern Ohio. Might want to take that if I slow down, buddy,
hit the brakes. I mean, listen, I don't play the music,
all right. The Pittsburgh, the Pittsburgh Pirates. It's dark in
Pittsburgh right now, you know, you know it's dark. They

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had the starters start the All Star Game last year
and he can't even rent a car yet and it's
still dark.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
It's dark. No daylight saving time over there. You know,
it's very dark.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Paul Skins is these shining light and you'd like to
think that O'Neil Cruz would also be one.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Of them, you would think, Martin. However, my boy's out.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Here butchering center Field like sex Reality said this apprentice.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
All right, my boy is out here.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Seventeen errors, leads the majors and having on Friday. Listen,
my dad, he's telling me this. If you make a mistake,
make it as fast as you can, right, you make
it hustling. That's how you make you know, what I'm
saying was that a sports advice, and definitely sports advice.
I could see where the wires could have gotten cross
if my dad was my head coach for my life, right,

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if he had always been my head coach, I could
see where there might be a.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Little confusion there. However, he never was. He was a lawyer, though,
and his best advice only break one law at a time.
It's great advice.

Speaker 3 (37:30):
So you know, if you're drinking, don't drive. If you're driving,
don't drink. If that's when they get you, break one
lot of time. Anyway, O'Neil Cruise broke two. He broke two.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
He didn't catch the ball in the outfield, and after
not catching the ball in the outfield, he looked at
the ball just rolled past him.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
You got it at least run after it a little bit,
as whoever's supposed to be covering you up.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It's really the guy charging in now, all right, man.
O'Neil Cruise is also one of the fastest players in baseball.

Speaker 3 (38:00):
He's got the second most tobal basis like he might
get there fafter than homeboy covering Martin.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
You're having an zero for six day four K's June
twentieth game before today, Oh for five, you're hitting two thirteen.
Baseball fans know the Mendoza line is in play here
for oeal cruise at the plate. The least you can
do is show up with Ethos Pathos locos. At least

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show up. Here's the thing you just alluded to it
it's Paul Skins and who that are the leaders in
the clubhouse we're talking about is my same thing with Sodo.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
Everyone is watching you.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
You let a groundball go by, and we now got
to go back to Little league to talk about in tangibles.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Or and Okay, I get it. They're thirty and forty seven.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Maybe they could be a miracle Angels in the NFL
team but not really already fired the manager, like you know,
it's over.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I get it, it's over.

Speaker 5 (39:04):
It was the first inning. It was the first inning.
I wasn't not there on the scoreless game, like I
get it.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
If if it was eight to nothing, I still think
it was ridiculous, but I could understand. I could get it.
This was it was the first inning.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
The thing is is baseball is a fickle sport. It's
not like basketball, and it's a game of confidence in
runs it's a clubhouse energy. And what's the energy, Martin?
If you're star player, if we're gonna call him that,
who has played shortstop for this club, who's in center field,
the captain of the outfield, and he he broke your
pops rule.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
He broke two rules in one air.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
I mean between that and there was another one in
later in the seventh inning that he just misplayed by
Marcus Shimeion that ended up being that should have been
an error. If I was grading or scoring the game,
I would have called it an error. And that's something
that I I wish that the guys who called Major
League Baseball errors were grading my test in college, because
I mean, it seems to be easy.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
But the other thing about this O'Neil Cruz and Paul Skins,
did that matter? Do you know they're gonna trade at
some point? Everybody's watching, everybody's watching.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know they're gonna trade it. You might as well go.
Speaking of everybody's watching, the Lakers just sold for.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
What you don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (40:26):
Radio Martin Wiss Alex Monico coming to you live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios in Los Angeles, California, and
Los Angeles, California felt an earthquake of sorts, not necessarily
one that shucked or shook the Richter scale, but the
NBA at.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Large, huge office. I mean, lord, have mercy.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Genie Buss selling the Lakers to Mark Walter ten billion
dollar valuation.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Remember when we were kids and people used to be like,
can you imagine a million dollars? And it was like no,
I also can't imagine ten billions.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So there you go.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
I hate to plug Doctor Evil two times in one
sit down, but remember the ongoing Austin Powers one million,
everyone laugh, one billion?

Speaker 2 (41:13):
Right with the pinky, I got some head turns now
it's multi billion. Yeah, ten billion dollars.

Speaker 6 (41:18):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
But on Boston Celtics, I'm.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Like, way, I can't, okay, don't have for the phone, guys,
turn it off, turn it off.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
They haven't finalized of sale yet.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Six million for six billion for Boton, ten for Los Angeles.
Genie Bus allegedly will keeping minority share of the team
just over fifteen percent for a period of time.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Just to ask Mark Cuban how that goes.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
But I will say, Genie Bus, right now, help having
a lot of help paying that mortgage off your first
thoughts on.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
On just the I mean, this is on I make
light of it.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
This the Bus family, the Jones family, some of the
first families quote unquote of professional sports. The Bus family had.
There's been many books written on it. Watch that Winning
Time documentary. Through a big reason why the NBA is

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what it is today. You can attribute to Genie Bussy's
daddy and that whole family without question.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
I mean, it's a astall.

Speaker 4 (42:27):
You gotta look back, and I guess appreciate to your point,
mark everything that this Bus family did to set up
the Lakers in Los Angeles. They've been a staple organization
in the NBA since they came from Minneapolis to Los Angeles.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
And the Bus family, Jerry, to his.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Credit, knew how to run this team on the court
and how to run it like a business off the court.
And it's emblematic of the purchase price here in twenty
twenty five five.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
And honestly run it like a business off the court.
It's probably emblematic of a lot of the complaints as
well that we heard from different people. More so now
that this ownership change is happening, and that the Lakers
don't have a shooting coach. I would imagine there are
some three hundred Division one men's college basketball teams. I

(43:14):
bet you two fifty haven't got a shooting coach. I
would agree, right, I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
The Lakers don't have it. They didn't have a shooting coach.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
They have the same persons, the president of the basketball ops,
the same person who's the GM. So you can't spend
any more than you can spend on players. The Lakers
have never shied on spending on players. It's everywhere else.
It seems as if they shied on spending. Seems like
that is where Mark Walter and the new ownership group

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will likely do. Heard this show on AJ Persinski said
this on The Herd, You're just week the Dodgers the
only team in Major League Baseball to have two planes
of fly on road trips. Wow, right, one for the players,
one for the coaches of support staff. Like that, to
me is one of the things that shows you just
level of moving the needle in a amenities make it

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feel better to beer as a pro type of thing,
because ultimately the second apron is the second apron. You
can't defer seven hundred million dollars to Luca Dunts like,
you can't show how Tony.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
Well random anecdote here. The Panthers are just won a
second consecutive Stanley Cup. They are known for the nicest
practice facility and taking care of their players almost better
than anyone in the NHL as of late.

Speaker 2 (44:23):
And look what's come of it. You look at how
the Cowboys. Obviously Jerry takes care of the guys.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
It goes without saying so yeah to your point with
the Dodgers, and just out of curiosity looking it up,
I want to toss it back to you. What does
this mean for a city like Los Angeles, major market,
to have ownership across the landscape in two major sports.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
It's gonna be interesting because I've been here now for
nine years, and I remember the first five. It was
not rainbows and butterflies in Dodgerland.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Far from it. In fact, Dave Roberts, the same vitriol
that Dave Roberts had for Mike shild over the weekend
was the type of vitriol that my neighbors would have
for Dave Roberts. Fact, since god, y, what did he
do it?

Speaker 1 (45:13):
In the post?

Speaker 3 (45:15):
He just does whatever he wants to kind of manager
is he and then to watch him manage that them
to a World Series win with you know, starting pictures
that look like they're throwing with the wrong hands, you know,
to be able to do that, it.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Kind of quieted everybody down. But that was a lot
a lot of negativity in that regard. I think that.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You will have Lakers fans be incredibly happy because there'd
be a lot of quick headlines like, Lakers fans probably
don't love Rob Polinka. Well guess what him and his
jackets throw on.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
The way out the door. That is you know what
I'm saying. So that'll be that'll be a headline that'll.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
Be like, oh, we're gonna win this press conference, right,
We're gonna go get the best guy, right.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah. So I think we'll see a lot of that.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
But ultimately, what it boils down to and all simately
what I find to be one of the more fascinating
angles of this this is this It's all gonna come
down to what happens on the court. Sure, winning and
losing is all that's gonna be what matters. That's gonna
be how this is remembered, and it may be remembered
as Mark Walter ruined the Lakers, which I guarantee you

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saving the Dodgers is not enough to make you.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
It does.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
You don't come out even if you ruin the Lakers,
you come out way worse. Oh yeah, this is the
second time that a NBA team has been sold with
the Luca Doncis contract pending.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
That is something that's that's Sherlock with him, Martin. And
if you look at the last two teams to be
in these big sale discussions, the Boston Celtics and the
Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah, what did Boston do?

Speaker 3 (46:47):
They won the title, paid Jason Tatum all that money,
pay Jalen Brown all that money, and it's like, hold on,
this bill's getting expensive. My insurance has gone up. I
need to sell this car, right And so my fascination
with this is I think most people would have thought

(47:09):
that Luka Doncic was a can't miss. Have to have
ten out of ten, do not pass, go you figure
it out. It just fine, Like I just have to know,
and maybe we'll never know how much the idea that
you're gonna have to pay Luca Dodgers a bowload of
money impacted the sale of this team.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Right now, I see where you're going with that.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
That's interesting now looking at the massaging, and you don't
have the luxury because it's a non salary cap league.
What the Dodgers did, which is conversation for another day,
with the O Tawni deal, which again is unheard of.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Let's pay him later after we ROI.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
Everything across the landscape in almost a decade. But looking
at to your point, is it a cell high are you?
Are you insinuating? Maybe this is the ceiling you got
the top tier asset. It's the turnover from the king
to now Luca. This is if you're in the boss trust,
the perfect timing, if you will. Genie's sixty three years old.

(48:10):
All reports that I've seen, she seems to be in
good health. She seems to be, uh, you know, everything
seems to be going well. Right, everything seems to be
going well.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
And your general manager just picked up the phone one
night and Nico Harrison was like, would you like an
all time NBA player?

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Right, And so I just this.

Speaker 3 (48:29):
The Lakers are set up with Luca, and obviously they
have some roster moves to make, but are set up
to be a top half of the Western Conference team
as constructed.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, right right now, right now, right now, we watch.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Uly Dons just walk to the finals with Kyrie as
is running made at thirty something years old, PJ.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Washington and rookies and.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
Derek Lively and Daniel Gafford who was forgotten about before
getting traded right like, So, don't tell me that it
can't happen because I watched it.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
He watched So why now? Now let me throw something
out you.

Speaker 4 (49:01):
I just popped in my Nagget how much of down
I get my freeways right here down the one ten
is Stevie Balmer's top tier taking care of his players
on the clipper side of things, which again are clearly
the younger brother in town. Maybe could be subconscious, could

(49:21):
be real table talk here as maybe a little extra
pressure for the Lakers here, the Lakers with all the
better everything except not the better facilities, not the I
think that has.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
That can't be zero point zero right. I think it
matters slightly, but also matters.

Speaker 3 (49:39):
I'll put it like this matters about as much as
the Brooklyn Nets better facilities than the New York Knicks,
maybe does well.

Speaker 4 (49:45):
I just think these guys, because we're in Toying twenty
five and the extra care you mentioned the extra plane
for Dodgers road games, those little things. I mean, are
we not sitting here with a one Soto sweepstakes talking
about a sweet and a little extra?

Speaker 2 (49:58):
Here is a reason why he's in Queens and not
the Bronx.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
I think these kind of things back to that Panthers
practice facility thing matters. When you hear about how some
of these other teams no knock but a huge knock
to the Cincinnati Bengals and how they show up to
the facility.

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Well, what the you know, hold on just a moment,
a moment, a moment, if I may, What the Cincinnati
Bengals are doing this offseason is malpractice. It is absurdity,
It is ridiculous, and I wish that they were in
a bigger market because, like I look at sports, I
know that we had it. We're kind of beholding to

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ratings and we got to talk about who people want
to talk about.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I'm in all those meetings too, I get it.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
But just as a NFL enthusiasts, somebody who is like
a big j master's degree in journalism and wants to
cover the entirety of the league, the Cincinnati Bengals are
operating at a level that it reminds me of a
professional baseball team, like they are played like a team
that has the hit the salary floor. What they're doing

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is ridiculous, and they and they pay it all the
offensive guys. And I understand, but Trey Henderson is the
type of guy he's supposed to pay. And if you
don't want to pay him, I understand it, But to
damn sure, pay the guy your draft replace him, honestly,
like you wonder why. And you know what's gonna piss
me off is in Week three when the team's one
and two and Burrow has thrown for fourteen touchdowns and

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two interceptions or damn near one thousand yards in three games,
They're gonna be like, what's wrong with your team?

Speaker 2 (51:27):
What's all you guys? As to another slow start?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
And he's gonna sit there and he can't say because
our management is absolutely.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
Horrible and the cafeteria food is forgive anyway.

Speaker 4 (51:37):
I think it's perfect, though, that this goes to Mark Walter,
because it just the shoe fits perfectly. This is a
historic top tier NBA organization now going to be top
tier across the board. Off the court. To me, that
is a trickle down effect. A happy off the court

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group running a three sixty five organization, a guy like
JJ Reddick. This is only going to add momentum, in
my humble opinion, to everything the Lakers are trying to
do with culture setting.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean, I think it absolutely has a level of
momentum there.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
I think that if you were looking at this from
anybody but the sports media landscape, that this is a
good thing.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I personally like the idea. I sometimes.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I don't want to phrase it. Sometimes you got to
have a floor to have a ceiling. So like sometimes
the Woody Johnson's and the Jerry Jones is, you know,
they they kind of help the discussion along the way,
so you can have different conversations about the Clark Hunts
and the you know what saying to the other you
got to have a floor to have a ceiling.

Speaker 4 (52:47):
Well, you're your floor at six foot two in the
six foot clubs a lot different than my ceiling over
here at five to ten with the hair.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
But I will say this, I'll say this is I
do not think that this immediately.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Turns into championships and the like, but I do think
that this improves you in the margins in a way
that like an Austin Reeves gets better year every year.
I don't think that he's gotten marketably better since he's
gotten into the endb like so so much better. Right,
Like you see some teams like guys like the Pacers,

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Andrew Nesmith, Aaron Neesmith. Rather when he was in Boston
it looked like he couldn't play basketball at all. Now
I'm watching this guy make big time moments in the postseason. Right,
You're looking at Indiana in this postseason. Ben Shephard got
minutes last playoffs. He's having big minutes this year guarding
the MVP down the stretch. It's at certain points of time.

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And Mattherin had a thirty twenty five point game in
this season.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Right. You look at a guy to me, his corollarys
some little like.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Jonathan Minga, right, but Bett Matherin right spot right setting
ability to flourish if he's struggling to pull him out
of there.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Right, you know what I'm say.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
So it's like I think that when you look at
the types of things like I think player developed me
could be a big thing. I probably you're probably not
trading for Russell Westbrook. If you're this Lakers, so like
maybe you just win on the margins just because of that.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
But and marn just put a button on here.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
I'm looking at US cities owned by multiple owner teams
old my multiple owner Terry Pagoula with the Bills and
the Sabers do it.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
I bet, I guess. And you already know who New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
You already know Benson, the Pelicans and Fans and sat
and then Arthur Blanks got the Falcons and the Atlanta
United in MLS and then it's Kronky with the Nuggets,
the Avs and the Rapids. And that's the end of
the list in christs and none of those correct me
if I'm wrong with my stigmatism.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Are major markets? No offense in New Orleans because it's
a great place. It is great place, best place in America.
Not a major market. So we're talking about rare air here.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
You cannot be the Lakers with a worst practice facility,
locker room court, at et cetera. Then you're a younger
brother the Clippers. I think you gotta thank Balmer on
some subconscious level for this.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I will say this, I know Steve Balmer if he
had some hair. He'd be running his fingers through it
right now.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
What was it? I had it right here.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Steve Balmer bought into the Los Angeles Clippers for two
billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
The Lakers just sold for ten. He like, the Lakers
just sold for ten I have the other team in
LA and I bought it for a fourth of the price,
fifth of the price. Signed me up, Sign me up,
Sign me on.

Speaker 3 (55:37):
I speaking of buying stuff, you can't find this stuff
anywhere anywhere out there. It's sold so much of this
the IRS came to this team to check on.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
If it was actually real.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
It's like actually got audited to make sure the receipts
were legit.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
The biggest thing going in sports. We'll get to it
in just a minute. Martin Weis's Alex Monico on a
Fox Sports Radio Saturday.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Dore listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Martin Wisse, Alex Monico. We're talking about more than nothing
here on Fox Sports Radio. Hit us up on Twitter
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not so proud. Papa Dion will lecture him for his
lack of maturity. Dianna's on him.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
I'd like to think so. I'd like to think so.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
So we talked about Shador, We talked about the Dodgers,
the Lakers, Los Angeles, Luca Dunchs, Lebron.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Did you already talk about the biggest star in sports?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
I'm ready, all right, So here's the de Caitlin Clark
and I had a question today. Earlier this week, I
said that Friday was a huge day for the w NBA.
The reason being is that Caitlyn Clark, I believe it

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was me, double check it real quick. It was Thursday night.
Thursday night in Golden State was three for fourteen and
zero for seven from the floor from three wow one
of her.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Yeah you know.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
I still finished with eleven, nine and seven, but a
bad game. And I said, the true mark of super startle,
the true mark that you have cut through the noise,
is when no matter what you do, you are news.
No matter what happened, not your news right not you

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got you got an altercation. Not you had forty, not
you seven? Like all of it becomes a topic of conversation,
and Friday on the national shows there was a little
bit of a mention, a little bit.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
Of a hero. On Saturday, we're talking a little bit
about it as well. Yeah, guys, this is here to stay.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
And I'm not pointing that out to pick at her pop. Legitimately,
Tyre's Halliburton, in my eyes, is not a superstar because
he can go out in the postseason and have multiple
single digit scoring games and not necessarily get crushed for it.
I know the ESPN's does a lot of crazy stuff,
but I'm talking about that at large. Turn the channel

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if you think they're doing too much on Halliburton, and
you'll see a lot of people saying, this is just
the way he plays.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Well.

Speaker 3 (58:26):
If you dominate the game with fifteen points scored, I
need tennis, I need I need you to dominate the game.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I need to see it and feel it.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
Or don't be called a superstar, or don't be called
a superstar. I think it's a very good all star,
high level. He didn't blink twice, he didn't play in
the Olympic.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Appreciate you saying that right, So that's where I'm at
with it. I think he's probably the second best player
on the team behind Tiako. I think Shaka's work consistently.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
I'm right there with you, and I think that when
you see superstar moments out of him, big time shots,
all of that, people want to go ahead and go
that far.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Caitlin Clark is a superstar.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
Move ratings this to me having a bad game, going
out there getting thumb and it being a topic a
discussion that to me is honestly a high formal respect.

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Undoubtedly, Martin and obviously the W is cooking right now.
I watch a W a lot more than just Caitlin Clark.
It's a very competitive night in, night out, high effort
regular season, and you and I be an NBA regular

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season guys.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It's kind of hard to sit.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Here and be like, Wow, the NBA could be a
lot more compelling in the regular season when we're watching
this kind of effort. To your point, though she's superstar,
all eyes on her. Obviously we're bringing her up for
a number of reasons. But again, here we are in
the sophomore season and her on campus. She's still getting

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some senior junior. You know I'm gonna see you at
your locker, whether you invited me or not.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Who's the new kid?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
To me, again, it's from a ratings perspective.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
We're talking about it, we're watching it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
I'm curious your basketball thoughts though, and maybe making some
examples of what we're seeing so especially in that Connecticut
Sun game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
So the Sun game so to me though you've all
seen it by now, but to me, and I don't
want to desparese you if this is your opinion, but
the idea that we have to like protect Caitlin Clark
because she's the face of the league and the idea that, like, like,

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I think that is honestly like offensive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
And I don't think that you would be saying it
if this was a male league. I don't think people
would say it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
I don't think there would be the same attitude of
you have to protect this quote unquote cash cow that
now gives you like some of that commentary to me
is veiled in like you weren't serious before and you're
serious now. And I have been watching the WNBA since
it was the first thing back since Coke in the
bubble twenty twenty that was my first year watching the WNBI,

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watched a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
There's twelve teams. It's very easy to get into it.
Know the players, know the storylines because again, there's only
one hundred and forty four dollar players in the league
at any given moment in.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Time, right, you watch a lot of Las Vegas aces
ws right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
So in order for this to.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Work the way they wanted to, you can't. It has
to be a Sophie Cunningham. It has to be a
Sidney Colson or a Leah Boston and one of her teammates.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
This has to be regulated on the court. I do
like that if you give her a pass, if you
give her the slightest I'm not saying be unfair, but
if you give her the slightest feeling of impropriety. On
the other way, all of these feelings that are start
by people all the way that people think, it'll all
be validated and it will take away from her excellence

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at basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:02:08):
Now, if she wasn't in her second year and she's
been a star years on end, she's a vet and
this is happening, do you change your perspective at all?
Just just playing food for thought with obviously stars, veterans
take a sport, any sport, you know, maybe get a

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little bit of a whistle more than others. Maybe get
a little bit of a Tom Brady and a little passer,
you know, rough in the passer when another quarterback would
it among other examples. But is this a still She's
a sophomore on campus. This should be handled on the court,
you're saying by her teammates to squash any kind of
anything like any other sport essentially in this moment, would

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handle it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:53):
Right, And and the WNBA to paint the picture a
little bit because I think if you are just dropping
in to watch Caitlin Clark, I don't disparage you for that,
but I think you may not have a concept of
the league in general if you're just watching Kaitlin Clark
and this is your first or second or third time watching.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Because if it was your fourth, fifth, or sixth time watching,
you realize they all play the same teams over and
over and over it because there's only twelve of them. Now,
think about Title nine and college basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
That means every Division one men's basketball team has the
Division one women's basketball team. And obviously, just look at
the scores of the Division one women's basketball tournament. The
disparity in talent is large, right though. You will see
in the first round, second round, third round, the higher
seeds you know, I mean taking the lower seeds out

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behind the woodshed annihilation.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
But at the top it is so concentrated. You have
the same amount of pool. The NBA, you have about
two hundred more players eligible around the world, where the
WNBA you don't. Next year, That's why you see all
these rookies get from their WNBA teams. Are you seeing
this offseason?

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
You'll see NBA WNBA veterans who will not have a
place to play in America because there's so few spots.
So the competition to your point, yeah, they're fighting for
lunch every day, like I don't know, I mean that metaphorically,
like fighting for their next one, like they because they
could get cut at any moment in time. There's are
just so few people that are not meaning actual lunch

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in the facility. But they're fighting all the time. And
there's no dunking in this league. The verticality is not there.
It's very physical.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
It's a very physical league.

Speaker 4 (01:04:34):
You watch any matchup I was watching Plumb obviously now
on the sparks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:40):
There are tone setters on every club.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Now let me ask you this, would you from a
basketball perspective, Let's say your coach. Let me put you
in a coaching seat here with the fever that kind
of thing happens. Do you do you want Caitlin as
much as her her teammates in any regard to maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
No step balking and be like, yo, don't if imp
poking me in the off.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
If I'm Stephanie White, the first thing I'm doing, I'll
tell Kate and the Clark keep your head on straight.
She she gives a lot that she gets. I think
a lot of some of the stuff happens is like that.
Jacy Shelter. I don't think she post her on the
I on purpose. Uh, Marina, maybe you definitely hit her
on purpose, but there was a shove before that, right
like you, you bring in a lot of this on

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your own. I also would probably have the most technical
fouls in the WBA. I'm getting thrown out of games.
I'm losing my mind on the official if you're watching it,
if I'm watching that, I'm right there with I got
that's to me, that is her job.

Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
That's her job, and right now.

Speaker 3 (01:05:40):
Steve de Seger's job is to update us on everything
going on in the world of sports.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
Steve, you're up.

Speaker 7 (01:05:45):
You mentioned so few teams in the WNBA. Remember the
NHL used to have literally only six teams in the
league through nineteen sixty seven until the expansion, which meant
you had a seventy game regular season and you're playing
the other teams fourteen times each.

Speaker 3 (01:06:02):
A lot of familiarity between everybody involved.

Speaker 7 (01:06:05):
Jing Clippers Warriors fourteen times a year, right, okay, Saturday
and then the what they had playoffs? I mean, didn't
we just right play each other fourteen times each?

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:06:18):
So, WNBA, by the way, just two games on the
Saturday schedule, and Minnesota at eleven and one is only
leading LA fifty eight to fifty six with eight minutes
to go. Phoenix at eleven and four now one at
Chicago easily today one oh seven eighty six Chicago's three
and nine. Angel Res of Chicago nine points, two rebounds.
She was one of one shooting from the floor in

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twenty one minutes. NBA Finals Game seven is Sunday, Indiana
at Oklahoma City. This postseason, the Pacers on the road
are seven and four, the Thunder at Home ten and two.
The NBA Draft starts on Wednesday. The College World Series
Finals started tonight. LSU, a top ten team, is still
leading one nothing at the end of eight against Coastal Carolina,

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which has won twenty six games in a row.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
This is a best of.

Speaker 7 (01:07:04):
Three finals series to Major League Baseball on Fox TV
for much of the country. It's bottom of the sixth
inning at Philadelphia. The Mets, who've lost seven in a row,
are leading the Fills seven to four. In fact, five
solo home runs from New York and Francisco Lindor with
now a two run double to extend the lead. Two
homers from Juan Soto yes sixteen this year. Mets win

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would tie him with the Phillies for first place in
the NL East. Kansas City has won four straight, but
it's the Padres five to one over the Royals now
in the top of the eighth Fernando Tatis Junior with
a three run homer. The Rockies have a record of
seventeen and fifty nine, but they're out to a lead
against Arizona tow to one in the top of the second.
Road wins for Atlanta and Texas home wins for Toronto

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and San Francisco. With edge Boston three to two, Rafael
Devers exit Boston hit a two run homer. The Cubs
beat Seattle ten to seven, but the Mariners Cal Raley
walted another one thirtieth homer of the first.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Half of the season.

Speaker 7 (01:08:03):
Saint Louis won its fifth straight game and eleven inning
win over Cincinnati six to five. Nolan Aronato with the
tying solo homer. Bottom of the ninth victories from Milwaukee,
Tampa Bay and the Yankees, who shout out Baltimore nine
to nothing to win the Clark Schmid, who threw seven
no hit innings one hundred and three pitches. He did
walk to As for the other sports news, Tommy Fleetwood

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leads the Travelers by three strokes, Jason Day is five back,
and UFC fighter John Jones retired. He went sixteen to
zero in title bouts.

Speaker 3 (01:08:33):
Back to you, thanks Steve Martin Wis' Alex Monico coming
to you live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Alex,
you we're about the same age, so you probably remember
when Drake first started. Mary Mack you were in diapers
at this time, but Drake had a song called Houston,
Landa Vegas, and it sounds like the trade destinations for

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Kevin Durrect.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Ha haa.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
Evera's three different cities every time we talked about three
differenties every time we talks. Fag Minnesota, the San Antonio
all in one of the Texas teams, maybe the Knicks.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
So don't Nicks, I'll have a coach. I don't know,
but here's the thing, what the Knicks are doing?

Speaker 3 (01:09:10):
And I would I would honestly send, yeah, you know,
Kevin Durant, where's he going? But I said, if I
was any of these guys, Billy Donovan, imy U Doka,
I'm sending the Knicks the biggest out of blowing raise
whatever cause, if I appreciate you floating my names when
you get that contract extension that I may Junoka just

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got one of the highest paid coaches in the NBA
and a team that was the two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
Seed in the Western Conference last year.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
That I think, universally nobody expected to do anything in
the postseason.

Speaker 4 (01:09:44):
Wayhead of way, head of schedule for their program. He
came in e May, to his credit, obviously by way
of Boston and inherited a young team. I don't say
they were culture lists, but they didn't really have much direction.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
He put a culture in.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
They are a bona fide top five defense for years
to come with so much upside, and now you almost
have a good problem.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
How do we with all of these assets scale up?

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
Do we stay patient? Like okay, see do we go
out and get it? You know who which we'll be
talking about in a second.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
So obviously it's to Kevin Durant is the question. If
I'm Houston, I'm making a move because I see the
team that I see today needs Jalen Green to be
a dominant or at least high above average wing score.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
I don't think that that is going to happen.

Speaker 4 (01:10:45):
Do you think at his ripe age of twenty three
by way the G League right that his inconsistency in
that Warrior series is that something you see for years plural?

Speaker 3 (01:10:58):
Because I tell you like this, I've seen him be
consistent once and it was the end of last season,
Like the last few months of last season where the
weird things happen in the NBA, that's when Jalen Green
I think was his most consistent. But watching that postseason series,
my thought was, man, if you just swapped Devin.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Booker for Jalen Green, he's the winning championship.

Speaker 4 (01:11:22):
They are such a complete two way team without that bone,
without that, without question, Star, I can almost co sign
that with you. But we're also talking about if it's
just worth talking out a twenty one point per game
shooting guard at twenty three being traded for a guy

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and we know he's on the golf course on the
back nine. It's is he on hole fifteen sixteen or
is he on more like seventeen? Because that is worth
talking out when you are staring at the other camp
to some degree of the model that they could follow,
which is okay see top five d and building out
that way.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
So I say, though, I just don't see.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
The reason why okay see works is because they have
the MVP like they have Who is the player in
Houston that is going to be the guy who will
be threatening to win an MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
It's a great thought.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
What I'm concerned with that I throw back to you,
is Durant that guy this upcoming season? Are they still
have that question to answer even after this trade?

Speaker 3 (01:12:30):
I thought, well, they will still have that question to answer.
But I think Kevin Durant helps them.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
I don't love it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:35):
I honestly if I am the Phoenix Suns, and I
know that this isn't what the owner said he wanted
to do. However, somebody needs to get into his ear
and let him know that he is doing this very
very badly. Right now, someone's kind of telling me the
answer to your the solution to your problems is not
trading Kevin Durant. It is trading both Kevin Durant and

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Devin Booker. I understand that Devin Booker wants to be
a son for life. That's awesome, We'll see you back
at your Jersey retirement. I understand that Matt Ispia doesn't
want to run his fans out of the building. Guess what,
they're already gone. Okay, I understand all of those things.
You had your run at it, You went to the finals.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
And you could do like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
It'd be one thing if you were in the East,
because that was was if Milwaukee and Phoenix was in
that finals.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
Right now, Yannis is probably gonna be staying back in Milwaukee. Well,
guess what, East is wide open, wide open. The West
no way like the West. There's no way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
The way like the West is clogged up up top,
so that'd be my thing. I'm running it back with one.
I get the bringing Giannis back. If I'm Phoenix, I
don't have picks. I don't have anything. I have nothing.
I have Devin Booker and that shit. I got a
ferrari outside of my uh soup kitchen. I'm selling a

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ferrari with.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
A side dish of the worst contract in the end.
No offense to Bradley Beal.

Speaker 2 (01:14:04):
I mean no offense to Bradley Beal. That's a legendary.
He's a legend. At Chase Bake talk to him nice.
I'm saying, they know his name.

Speaker 3 (01:14:15):
When he pulls up in the driveway and they say,
mister Beale, good to see you again. He's like, as
want to make sure that money was still guaranteed along
with my no trade clause.

Speaker 4 (01:14:24):
Do you think this e MA coaching extension? If you
are in the Rockets upper management, do you stay patient?
Because food for thought, Martin, It's sort of like that
Lakers team that kept running into Denver a couple of
years in a row. In the first round they couldn't
get out. I knew the wrong team was favored in

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that first round because it was also a young team
versus a bonus, a top seen everything on the market,
Warriors team with grown men, that a championships plural, and
I thought you should have had no shot.

Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
I'll tell you this, if, uh, if the Thompson kid,
if I think the Thompson kid is like that, Yeah,
I'm going to get Kevin Durray.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
Now if I was gonna move to make a second move.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
No, if I think that if he can shoot, if
Thompson can start to shoot, that might be the best
two players in the NBA. You picked whichever Thompson both
of them, because the great defenders. That could be your
wing guy, that can be the difference maker and you
could make you feel good like if he can develop
into that, like into that type of guy, then I
would see putting Kevin Durant as a secondary option off

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of him. He still got two good ball handlers. But
Fred's got the ring coming up. Next, we'll play a
little game. We's been a while since we've done this.
Play a game of.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Who you Got?

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:15:47):
Comes to your life from the Fox Sports or Radio studios.
You can hit us up with your two cents on Twitter.
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Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
But now it's time for Lee. I believe this. This
might be the first time you ever produced a show
of mine.

Speaker 8 (01:16:03):
No, No, I've had to have worked with you before, right,
I mean we definitely know each other, not the first
time we've met.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
No, definitely not that No, but I'll try. It's definitely
the first time in the Merrymack era. And who you
got was born in the Merrymack era.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
So lead to that challenge is yours?

Speaker 6 (01:16:23):
Mary.

Speaker 8 (01:16:23):
Let's get it started, all right, all right, I'm gonna
take my first shot at this. I'm gonna try and
stump you on this one. You guys start start vague.
How about this multi multi sport athlete. As a kid,
he played baseball, basketball. He's an all star basketball player,
also played wide receiver and linebacker in high school.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Once you said the linebacker, it took Alan Irison out
of its format. But that was my guest, because Alan
Irison did all.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Of that linebacker but in high school though.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
And the way he said he played linebacker in high
school gives me the implication that he's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
A basketball player or a baseball player. I'm already hearing
the the who wants to be a millionaire? Music right,
a phone, a friend, and that friend is you do
you have no guests so far? Are keep going?

Speaker 8 (01:17:09):
I'll keep going. He's the son of a pe teacher.
His older sister played volleyball at the University of Rhode Island,
and his grandfather was a Marlboro Man actor.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Oh this is Oh no, I knew this was the
Marlborough Man. Do not get this his name and do
not get this name is.

Speaker 6 (01:17:28):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
His name could also be Is it short for Richard? Yeah? Okay,
so get this on.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
The second name is Dick Hamler and his grandson is
Sammy Bardell.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
I knew that you were literally totally you're underestimating mine.
He's going to get it right. That's remarkable.

Speaker 8 (01:17:47):
I knew you're I was gonna hold that one off too,
because I coulda you weren't gonna get it off for
number three or four either.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Especially I was already going the wrong way. I said
he would playing a linebacker. Well, hey, you know what,
this should have been signed early in sand on his career.
He was playing linebacker in high school and you're drafting
him as a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:18:04):
All those tackles he made after interceptions on the Jets.
I guess it checks out.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Reading up on him.

Speaker 8 (01:18:09):
He was actually recruited to USC to be a linebacker
as well quarterback. They wanted him to play, he declined
to play. That's freshman year, go ahead, No I was.
I mean I had a lot of fun facts about him.
I mean, first freshman ever to win the Archie Griffin
Award packed twelve Offensive Rookie of the Year. I don't
think you guys would have gotten it off of that
because you could have still thought, maybe, yeah, been a
linebacker or a wide receiver at that point.

Speaker 3 (01:18:31):
Fascinating man. Fascinating that Sam Donald. Yeah, Sam Donald. I
looked that up the other because it's like when he said,
I don't know how I stumbled across it one day
down a rabbit hole.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
How about Tom Brady saying Sam Donald, Nope for the Raiders.
That was the whole Yeah, that's what the build. How
about that. I'm ready to endorse Martin on Sports Jeopardy. Listen,
I've been trying to get on there for years. It'll change.
I can't wait for the next one. How about Uh,
the other thing was Sam Donald and I find kind
of interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:59):
Mike McDonald McDonald too many, definitely many, Mike Max and Eleague.
Mike McDonald in Seattle over there has seemed to have
to defend Sam Donald a lot for OTAs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Interesting, A lot
of defense of Sammy was the ultimate by high right right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
I mean, that was the opposite, the Costanza opposite of
shopping technically for quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
You want to so and on the flip the guy who.

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
If I'm a Seahawks fan today, I'm sitting there like, man,
all right, cool? We got Sam Donald, eh, and then
Tom Brady said he didn't want Sam Donald. So that's
kind of like a double eh. She doesn't want to
watch it eye. You know, my dad always said to
the Dady advice. And then not only that, we got
the quarterback that Gino Will used to be my quarterback

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and now Tom got him. So if Gino goes in
the Vegas and balls out, ops it up in the Pacific,
Dorf West crying in my own little cloud above my
head with.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
The rain cue the music, it would be too fitting
for a defensive coach to botch the quarterback position and
go backwards.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
I mean, and Jalen Miller wrote the third round pick.
There the teams he talking about him is interesting things
going on for Slinging Sammy Donald. But the NBA Finals
Game seven tomorrow, what will the fallout be? What will
the conversation be?

Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
Monday? We preview it next.

Speaker 6 (01:20:32):
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Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
That's my broadcasting live from Fox Sports Radio Studios. It's
Martin Wise and Alex Monaco. Two day are one day,
one day before the greatest two words in sports Game seven,
Rick Carlisle And.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
Who's that over there for Inda? Okay, see who's that guy?
The pe teacher that came up from the G League,
Mark Dagnault and the Fucky Bunch. No disrespect to the
former NBA Coach of the Year, but you know, let's
be honest. Did you know his name? All right?

Speaker 6 (01:21:16):
Now?

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
I ask your wife? Does she know his name?

Speaker 3 (01:21:18):
That's my point, all right, Shake Gildes, Alexander, Tyrese Halliburton,
and like we we're all familiar with them now. No
matter how this this series started out for you, we
have now Game seven and we are here. We both
think that the Pacers are gonna go ahead and take
this one on the road. That means, if that is true,

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let's start up the other way. If Oklahoma CHETI were
to win this title, what do you think the Thunder
would do going forward? What do you think the Pacers
doing going for what's the impact that would have on
the NBA?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
Well, if you want to start with a Thunder winning first.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah, because we both think the Pacers are gonna win,
so we'll be stronger on that afterwards.

Speaker 4 (01:21:59):
Yeah, I believe we'd have to double check here on
particular contracts up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
I know SGA's do here for his sojas do he'll
get paid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
Jaylen Williams and chet Holmgreen have on year three, so
they'll be up for rookie extensions next at some point
in the next sixteen months.

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Yeah, it would be retaining I guess your core as
quickly and efficiently as you could if you're on the
ok side, Okay Sea side, and you win. What's fascinating
is says just seemingly impressed. He land never want to
run out of draft picks. So you still have so
much on their menu.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
That's actually part of the problem for them they have
too many cars.

Speaker 3 (01:22:39):
They don't have enough garage spaces, right, They literally don't
have enough roster spots for all the people that they have.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
So my question is kind of like this, after watching
his finals run, how do I feel about you at home? Gird?
How do I is that a guy? If you had
asked me before the start of the playoffs, you'd think, Oh,
it's getting a good at this Max broken this hit
one year, shooting twelve percent from three in the finals.

Speaker 3 (01:23:06):
Yeah, shown to me, when he's up against somebody who
is both his height and a bigger size, that he
can be marginalized. Makes you wonder if they win this thing,
he's staying more than likely just because it's not that's
not not what teams do.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
But if you lose, it interesting, very interesting at some point.
I mean, geez, look at the test of time, Martin.
You win a ring, there's there's real turnover because it's
when everyone cashes in on the team and goes elsewhere.
If they can't or they double down, they stay where
they are. There's just no way that this organization can

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properly pay the top guys after coming in and doing
what they did with Hartenstein and Caruster correct me if
I'm wrong here.

Speaker 3 (01:23:55):
The longest short of it is, Guy, that team, that
roster will look a lot differently in the next sixteen
month because you're gonna have to either cut the checks
for the rookies or move off of those older veterans.
And I think to the point, you'd like to think
that your starters now then become the vets, and then
some of those bench players move on to other places.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
That's the thing I think what they would like to do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:20):
But we both think the Pacers are gonna win this thing.
We do so I think that the fallout from Oklahoma
City losing this would be incredible. I don't think they
make a massive move if they lose. I think he
still probably doubles down, even though I would I'd be

(01:24:41):
interested to see what I could get for check, But
ultimately this probably I'd rather have it be my problem
than not have it right like, he's still a better player.
Like and again to your point you were making about
Jayalen Green earlier, are you ready to give up now?
And with something that seems a little bit more mental.
But I think we're gonna see a lot of teams
and I think it'll be beneficial. But you look at

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the pacers contracts. They got guys who were undervalued by
other rosters who they have found and and made into
guys that fit for them with like Aaron Nischmith and others.
Siakam was obviously it's too expensive, and uh in Toronto
and then Halliburton and Sacramento they decided that we want

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to stick with the Aaron Fox. Now most of them
are going from Sacramento. But you know these are guys
that were that were traded. And I'm not saying that
as a pejorative, but it's like generally, if you got Timber,
was not.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Trading Anthony Edwards, no shot.

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
Now, I guess on the pacer side, the biggest thing
would be Miles Turner, longest tenured Pacers.

Speaker 3 (01:25:42):
But definitely because they couldn't trade him to the Lake
the last five years.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Well, if you win, I imagine Martin, He's getting top
dollar for a center on the twenty twenty five market.
What say you?

Speaker 3 (01:25:55):
I'd say so as well, and also sneaky from Mols Turner.
If he wins, he might be one of the fifth
he might be the fifth Jersey retired for Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
That's worth discussion.

Speaker 3 (01:26:07):
It's been there ten years and be a champion, to
be the first NBA championship they've ever won.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
Now, something to think about, something to think about.

Speaker 4 (01:26:15):
The big thing that everyone who's really versed on this
apron and the new everything back office with with the
x's and o's, with the numbers on salary cap in
the NBA loves the idea that the roster construction is
sort of Siakam and Halle in one level and then
everywhere else. Do you even feel like they'll have the

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luxury of retaining that model of paying ten, you know,
eight nine, ten guys deep well off of this championship.

Speaker 2 (01:26:42):
Look at it, they're not paying eight nine to like no,
I know, I know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:46):
So this is what I think that the league of
copycat league is what I think we'll see from the
next champions which you consider in the last two alright,
Boston and now honestly for both of these teams, but
again we're looking through this framework of Indiana winning.

Speaker 2 (01:27:02):
I think that you're.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
You look at their best players, Halliburton and Siakam. Both
of them are best in the flow of offense. Both
of them are best in an option in Halliburton obviously
a big time shot maker in the clutch, and Siakam
is the better one on one guy breaking down his
matchup one on one. Yeah, I think if OKC had

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another guy well and partly Chests is playing so poorly,
that's what's really holding them back, because Javin Williams a
guy who can get his in the flow of the offense,
but also doesn't necessarily have to me the quote unquote
back where he could just get his one on one
and Shay obviously does. I think teams are gonna build
around the more guys that can get in the flow

(01:27:49):
of things, with maybe one or two that can break
off and create their own offense, as opposed to the
teams that we have seen in the past and hell
this season, that are heric all about one guy creating
everything for everybody else. I think that's the shift you
might start to see. And I think it also helps
suppress players contracts a little bit because it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
Yeah, you look at this Pacers team. Nobody's averaging over
twenty five points a game.

Speaker 3 (01:28:14):
So when I see the contract negotiates, it's like, Hey,
you mean a lot to us, but you're not gonna
be able to draw what like you mean more to
us than you do to anybody else.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
Is there any thought here?

Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Because I would give the OKC Thunder and the Pacers
an a with not only landing a star or stars.
If we'll put Halle in that conversation you got obviously
Jay will Jay do excuse me? And you have Sea
and then you have Halle and Tiakam is the fit
for the role players around these stars?

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Can it get any better than what we're seeing in
this model?

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Because you mentioned copycat league, I feel a lot of
teams miss they land the star. They don't know how
to land the pieces around the star. You get metaphorically
with it, it's like a movie, all right, you got
the star actor. Well, if everyone around him or hers
bud kiss, then here we are with a bad movie.

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What say you on maybe buying from a turner from
a chat anyone who has got something up soon with
buying there just to keep the gravy train going as
far as wins.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
If I'm Indiana, I'm running it back.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Honestly, if I'm Indiana, I might running back anyway, leaving
it even in a loss, because the East again super
Highway wide open. Also, I've been back. I'm the team
that's been to back to back Eastern Conference finals. I'm
the team that just walked through the Eastern Conference playoffs.
You guys didn't think I could do it. I knew

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I could, right, We knew I got the one of
the longest tended coaches.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
In the league.

Speaker 3 (01:29:54):
Right, Rick Carlisle won a title before half the league
was even coaching in the NBA. Great point, right in
twenty eleven. He's seen it all right and and wants
to play this style of basketball so much so that
he walked.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
Away from Luca Dungeons hard hard to even remember, right, Like,
go back and look at the Wikipedia. I forgot too.
I thought it was no, no, no, no, no, it
was not some years it was.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
He went from there through right the Indiana and it
was Luca Dunchets and dirt, no whiskey in that last stretch,
and Carlile was like, I'm washing my hands of this out.
Just makes me think, Rick Carlisle, Mark Cuban, Genie Buss,
one thing they have in common.

Speaker 2 (01:30:41):
They all walked away from Luca Duncheess, Sherlock Weiss back
at it again. Let mean that that crinkle you hear
as me taking my tenfoil hat out and putting it on.

Speaker 7 (01:30:51):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:30:52):
But yeah, so I think that, and honestly, I think
it'll be good for the NBA to have a more
egalitarian style, to have a style where more guys are
getting involved to where because when I was a.

Speaker 2 (01:31:04):
Kid, damn it, some of the role players were my
favorite players, some of them.

Speaker 4 (01:31:09):
And Shack always says that the role players, the stars
go out in the finals and do what they do.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
The role players put you over the edge.

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
We are watching this series, Martin rollout off a role
players galore. It's Caruso and Wiggins for thirty eight in
game two, it's Mathern out.

Speaker 2 (01:31:30):
Of nowhere in game what was a Game four? Three?

Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
It is a fascinating, to your point basketball series win.
Before the pre flop, everyone was down because they were
two small markets.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
And I know you're in lockstep with me on the
opposite of that, thinking, Yeah, the day I become a
TV execus the day I care about the ratings, I
care about the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
Although I'm not an NBA exact so I guess hypocritical.
But the thing that, to your point, I think we
are moving from the last two champions and really maybe
even the last three champions really make me feel that
we are moving from an era where it mattered who

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your best player was to now an era where it
matters who the worst player you have to play is.
That is a bar And I think that when you
look at Indiana, they are running out nine ten guys
like this is the freaking preseason. There's only guys not
playing because they're hurt. Because they're hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:32:37):
Adaw, he's getting minutes. And you look at Oklahoma City
and they have a lot of depth as well, But
it's not all Cason Wilace, Can I.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Trust you today? Chet Holmger? Can I trust at all?
Appreciate you saying that? Because I do sit here player
for player and feel like Indiana is deeper right now,
right now.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
I'm not sure if I'm buying them for the next
four years. Maybe I'm okay, see, but I'm sure, But
I'll talk about next forty eight hours, next forty.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
Eight hours, two sleeps, two sleeps. We're here, game seven, folks, enjoy, enjoyed.
I do think, all right, most likely outcome for you,
there's only four ways that can go right. Okay, See
when's big Indiana wins big? Okay, see when small, Indie
wins small.

Speaker 2 (01:33:19):
Where are you in? Where do you land? Most likely
if you were to like kind of wrink them pacers
tight game? I think so first quarter very tight.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
Always take the under and a close out first quarter thought,
it rolls out once the second units come out and
we see all the guys we've seen all series, That's
when I think you'll get a better idea. But again,
how do you when you look at this say to
yourself Martin Carlisle with a ring, siack him with a

(01:33:49):
ring and go with the thunder Who've never been there before? You?

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
I mean, I'm not we are in lockstep. We are
some Pettico on that way. We'll find out if we
are some Patrico at the bottom of the hour as well,
when we talk about some of the way to make
a little bit of money on this finals, because I
think that there's one thing that's kind of undervalued here
in terms of some of the ways that the future
bets go. So we'll get to that at forty five

(01:34:18):
after the hour coming up next.

Speaker 3 (01:34:19):
There was a little bit of trash talking going on
in the NFC North and all off season it's been
going this team taking shots at this other team in particular,
and I don't even know what they did to deserve
it or what about it it was. But the new
kid on the block is writing a lot of checks.

(01:34:41):
We'll see if they'll be able to cash them. We'll
come up to that just a moment. Martin Wis' Alex
Monico Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 6 (01:34:48):
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Speaker 3 (01:35:01):
Martin Weiss, Alex Monico joining you here on this Saturday evening,
Saturday night, wherever you can hear us. Thank you for
joining us, coming to you live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. You can hit us on Twitter if you'd
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Monico at Underscore. I'm Alex Monico Underscore. I should say, uh,

(01:35:23):
And we got a couple guys. Oh, Charles up Church says,
a big fan of yours. Keep swinging for the Fenches.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
Alex Monico shout out, Charles, my god, there you go,
there you go. All right.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
So Fanatics Fest is going on right now, which I
think these are all just like a cousin of Comic Con. Right,
like Comic Con was the first one to kind of
do this, and now everybody has these festivals and ideas,
all of them with a literation.

Speaker 4 (01:35:52):
Comic Con San Diego from there, I take that as
with a high compliment.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
So Caleb Williams is that fanatics fest. It was asked
where he had his most negative experience with fans. He said, quote,
probably Green Bay. I mean they suck. After the game after.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
We won at Lambeau, I want to know a lambo.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
By the way, we tried to do the Lambeau leap,
tried to jump into the crowd where our fans were.
Did they just started pushing, throwing everything out us, pushing
us down. That Lambeau leap is a real leap, not
a little baby jump. You actually have to hide jump basically,
and they're pushing you in the face.

Speaker 6 (01:36:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
But the Bears won four games five? Is that right?
They want a little more? No, ebra Flus was four
and two to start the year, and then they lost.
I think they won one more down stretch, so I
think that's five, five and twelve. There we go, all right,
Thomas Brown, that nice one win as an interroom worst
luck in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
By the way, Thomas Brown has an aside interim coach
for the Panthers last year and the Bears this year.

Speaker 2 (01:36:58):
That sucks. He's never gonna get a coaching job again.
All right.

Speaker 3 (01:37:02):
But the new coach of the Bears, Ben Johnson, has
been talking about how great it is to beat Matt
Lafleur since he got the Bears job.

Speaker 2 (01:37:10):
I didn't know that this was some you know, cotonly
contested outside of the teams like each other.

Speaker 3 (01:37:17):
But he just continues to take shots at Matt Lafloor,
talking about I really enjoyed beating Matt Lafloor twice a
year on the floor is like, well, what's the deal?
Now you got the quarterback, saying how darek Green Bay
fans be upset with me for trying to jump into
the stands the nerve? Now, I just wonder. It just
seems to me at the Packers, who by my count,

(01:37:39):
have made the playoffs every year under Matt Lafleur except
the last one without Aaron.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Rodgers, That's that's correct, and the Bears.

Speaker 6 (01:37:51):
Who.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
The best thing that happened to the Bears in the
last five years is Carolina is thinking trendously and that
becoming the worst rate NFL history, and so now you
get Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
But that's the what Am I missing something? Am I
missing something? Because if I'm green bad?

Speaker 4 (01:38:12):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
What is you guys? This problem?

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Is it a little bit of that rivalry where Aaron
Rodgers owned the Bears? What was he twenty four and five?
Something ridiculous? He even went back there and gave a
little I own you?

Speaker 2 (01:38:27):
Is there any you know? I mean? And that's been
true for the longest.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
The NFC North, by the way, is a real hierarchy
of a division. They very much are seniors, junior, sophomores, freshman.
So I feel Ben Johnson, you know, he's looking at
the floor on campus and he's ready to take him
down because the Bears are next team up. They're sophomores

(01:38:50):
about to say we're coming for the juniors, which are
the packers, and the lines of the seniors.

Speaker 2 (01:38:55):
That's I've always looked at the North here and I
don't disagree with that, I think, But to me, I'm
very interested.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
I know that we all say Ben Johnson is the
offensive guruin genius and so on, but I'm old enough
to remember that every single year in the NFL there's
going to be anywhere from four to seven coaches fired.

Speaker 2 (01:39:14):
There's only thirty two NFL teams.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
That's almost a third of the hiring cycle, so you
know what the chances are he may or may not
work out right like.

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
And I, and I don't say this like as.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
It's completely damning moment because it is June twenty first,
But Ben Jonathan has a little bit of pre game
one Adam Gasefield to me, a lot of talk, a
lot of conversation, a lot of It's just a lot
of weirdness to me for a guy who I think
was able.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
To not necessarily hide behind his head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:39:51):
But when he's throwing passes to the offensive tackles Dan
Campbell's the guy's gotta answer for that, Not Ben Johnson.
It'll be I want to know what Ben Johnson said
when the Bears are three and five and it was
an incomplete pass to whatever the Drew Dolman on third
and seven thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
I don't know how you answer that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:40:11):
I'm fascinating. This is one of the most interesting elements
of year to year in the NFL. As you mentioned
that coaching thing. Well, also, worse to first is something
that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Almost every year. I got it for you.

Speaker 4 (01:40:21):
A team finishing last coming back to next year going first.
Since two thousand and two's NFL realignment, there's been twenty
seven times a worse the first.

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
Is there any thinking here, Martin?

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
A little bit of I don't call it wwe you
know theater if you will, but let's poke anybody above
us in the division, because we are that team, and
I honestly think they could be that could go from
worse to first this year.

Speaker 2 (01:40:47):
If history repeats itself in the NFL, I think the
team that went from worst to no, they didn't go
to first.

Speaker 3 (01:40:55):
And then when the division I was about to say,
I think the team last year was the Broncos. Broncos
didn't win the division. They also were terrible to thee
prior and then made the playoffs. Was a wild card.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Most dead money was to deal with the Broncos. Uh,
not here, not here, not here. But I will say this,
Lions lost both coordinators. That matters.

Speaker 3 (01:41:17):
Okay, Vikings, I know he's Sam Darnold, I know his
dad is granddad is the Marvelman. But he smoked that
last to the last two games, the game against the
Lions and then the wildcard against the Rams. He smoked them,
and the Rams did get Philly their best game in
the postseason. So I'll give you a tip of the
cap to that. Yeah, but smoked them, smoked him. And

(01:41:42):
so you have JJ McCarthy who put it to you
like this, man, I'm getting married in August, so wow,
thank you brought our engagement period.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
I did not go on other dates.

Speaker 3 (01:41:56):
The Minnesota Vikings took JJ McCarthy in the first round,
and then since that moment signed Sam Donold called Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Brought him in.

Speaker 3 (01:42:04):
Apparently may or may not have talked to Aaron Rodgers
and on just about everybody, Kirk Cousins, would you like
to come back right, I mean, and on everybody. It's
not something you generally do when you're saying, I'm gonna
go ahead and spend the rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Great point, top tier analogy right there. So it just
gives me, you know, I put it to you like this.

Speaker 3 (01:42:26):
The Bears feel the best about their coaching scenario and
their quarterback scenario today, probably.

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Given that that is a festival.

Speaker 4 (01:42:32):
Like you said, a little comic con asked any any
play into the crowd, play into the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
Caleb absolutely, he knows theater he went to USC. Yeah,
but buddy, guess what this we're doing theater.

Speaker 3 (01:42:43):
Right now right kick it over to another man's who
I'm sure has never ever ever had any dalliances like
the Minnesota Vikings was locked in from day one.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
I'm sure of it.

Speaker 7 (01:42:54):
Steve de Seger, yep, I was waiting for your second
line to be I'm saving the.

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Dating for next year. By the way, the New York
Mets guys.

Speaker 7 (01:43:04):
Have hit a record tying seven solo homers at Philadelphia tonight.
The Mets are leading eleven to four at Philly in
the bottom of the ninth on Fox TV for much
of the country, so the Mets are about to end
a seven game losing streak and tie the Phillies for
first in the NL East. The Padres ended Kansas City's
four game winning streak five to one. Fernando Tatist Junior

(01:43:24):
with a three run homer. Atlanta and Texas with road wins.
Home victories for Toronto and San Francisco, which beat Boston
three to two. Rafael Devers ex of Boston with a
two run homer. Giants had led three to nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:43:37):
In the ninth.

Speaker 7 (01:43:38):
Tampa Bay and the Yankees each wanted home Saint Louis
as well. The Cardinals have won five straight. They had
a comeback eleven inning victory over Cincinnati six to five.
Nolan Aernato the tying solo homer bottom of the ninth,
and it was the Cubs over Saint Louis. Seattle rather
a ten to seven and for Seattle cal Raley his
thirtieth home run of the season. The College World Series

(01:43:59):
five started tonight. LSU won nothing winner against Coastal Carolina,
which had won twenty six in a row. The winning
pitcher for the Tigers Kate Anderson, through a complete game
three hitter, one hundred and thirty pitches thrown, ten strikeouts,
five walks. WNBA wins from Minnesota and Phoenix. NBA Finals
Game seven is Sunday. US men's soccer plays again on

(01:44:21):
Sunday on Fox TV. The next IndyCar Race on Fox Sunday.
Danny Hamlin are in the poll for tomorrow's NASCAR event
at Pocono. UFC fighter John Jones retired and Tommy Fleetwood
leads the Travelers by three strokes, Jason day As five
backpick to you.

Speaker 3 (01:44:37):
Thanks Steve Martin Wise, Alex Monico coming to you live
from the Fox Sports Radio studios. You can broadcast the
stream this show. Rather we'll broadcast it. You can stream
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to stream us live.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
One of the newest features in the.

Speaker 3 (01:44:54):
App, you can select Fox Sports Radio is one of
your presets, just like the precess and and radio dials.
We'll be sure set Fox Sports Radio in the iHeart
app and it will always pop up at the top
of your screen. Or do like I do, just never
change the channel. Just exit the app when you're done listening.
When you open it back up, it'll start right back.
It's the easiest thing ever. Now, Steve just said that

(01:45:15):
the Mets, what is it seven home runs that we
have seen the out of eleven runs here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
Yeah, this is how you know I've bet on too
many things in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:45:27):
Is because my first, second, and third thought when Steve
says they have hit seven home runs, is I bet you.
I would have found a way to bet on the
guy who didn't go, y'all, I would have found a
way and I went to the box Square immediately say, okay,
Lin Door did, Nemo went twice, Soda went twice. Alvarez
win as well, So like, all right, maybe you know

(01:45:49):
what I would have my ticket in on Pete that happened,
that would have been my ticket right there.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
I love it. That's great. Hey seven solo, shout out Steve.
That's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:45:59):
But that's just that's just that would be my the
way that I would bet so seen too much. I've
seen too much, and one of the things that I
know I've seen too much of to the point that
you may just Now we're in June twenty first, we
are in the height of honeymoon season in the NFL
Mini camp just ended. Everybody is undefeated and everyone is

(01:46:23):
going to the Super Bowl. Congratulations to your local team.
Bucky Brooks, friend of the show, friend of Fox Sports Radio.
He did a little list here for NFL dot Com.
May have heard of him. Five teams that won the
NFL off season. Since we're grading wins and losses in
the offseason, Bucky, I'm just poking fun. But anyway, five
teams that won the NFL off seasons per Bucky Brooks,

(01:46:45):
number one the Chicago Bears, Di Bears, number two to
Baltimore Ravens, number three to New England Patriots, number four,
your Washington Commanders, and number five.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
The Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:46:59):
Of the those five teams that won the off season,
per Bucky Brooks, Alex Monico, I asked you, which one
of these is going to lose the regular season? None
of these five, all five of these teams are gonna
be good. Think my claim on it. There will be
a stinker among the bunch. You tell me who it's
gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:47:16):
It's gonna be between the Raiders and the Patriots. For me,
of that list, I'd have to go. I'd have to
go with the New England Patriots. And that's more so
because Geno Pete Chip also heard you you speak on
it before the show about Chip recruiting Geno. That's that's

(01:47:39):
good vibes. We got a wide receiver one enjoined himself,
Gino out of high school. I go join him to
play at Org.

Speaker 3 (01:47:48):
Gino ended up going to West Virginia and then also
but Chip, I forget where he was at the time,
but they were all in on trying to draft Gino
Smith wherever he was at meeting didn't go well with
every but Chipping Gino have a history of a few
years now without question. Now frabel is he's treking up
on mountain with the Patriots. As far as reset and culture,

(01:48:10):
I gotta give him a year. I like Drake May's trajectory.

Speaker 4 (01:48:15):
I don't know that they have anything to hang your
hat on offensively, Martin, outside of you know, offensive line
isn't terrible. They have had no skilled players over there
in New England since Brady was under center that were
worth really comparing around the league to serious pro bowlers.
I don't know how you don't go to Patriots here

(01:48:38):
just because the Raiders have had They've had pieces over
the last couple of years. They just haven't had structure. Pete,
you go back to his work week up there in
the PNW. He had a thing called competition Wednesdays. Sure
Kazuka bubblegum chew, and Pete knows how to win. I
will hang my hat on that. So I'll have to
go Patriots. Final answer here, what say you?

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
So?

Speaker 3 (01:49:00):
The options are the Bears, the Ravens, the Patriots, the Commanders,
and the Raiders. My first instinct is to go to
the Raiders. That's because I agree with everything that you
just said. First of all, I think Pete Carroll raises
your floor incredibly. I think that in terms of somebody

(01:49:22):
who can come in, build a foundation for two to
three seasons and be able to hand the ball off
metaphorically speaking to the next guy, doesn't get much better
than Pete. And the thing that concerns me most about
that is the competition in the division. I think very
highly of Sean Payton as a head coach. I know

(01:49:43):
a lot of people seem to be in the media
that don't for whatever reason, for every reason. He's not
a very nice guy, perhaps you know what I'm saying.
But he was the coach of the Saints and I
saw him turn water into wine every Sunday, and we
weren't at church.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
Okay, I'm with you on Shane Peyton.

Speaker 3 (01:50:00):
And I like the fact that he's got a quarterback
that is going to listen to every single word that
he says to do, because that's what's probably happened with
rus Russ wanted a little bit of more autonomy. Bow
knicks will run through a wall. Ask you how many
times would you like me to run through that wall, sir,
the Patriots. The argument that you made, I agree with
it as well, but h and no Patriot. I put

(01:50:25):
it like this, if you're drafting a Patriot in your
fantasy football draft, you're in bad shape and you haven't
started the year yet.

Speaker 4 (01:50:32):
There's a rule in like a third of fantasy football
leagues around. It's just the world, don't draft.

Speaker 3 (01:50:38):
Don't draft the Patriot. It's not happening. Drake May has
shown some signs. I'm lower than on him than.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
Most other people.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
Also think a little bit of a crash dummy in
terms of the way that he's diving into things head first, buddy,
like you only get one of those. Yeah, But I
think Vrabel lifts your floor. I think the difference between
a coach like Mike to coach like Mike McDaniel in
Miami is as farther than the flight from Boston to Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
It is, Miles. I'm with you on that. I'm with
you on that.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
It feels a little tennesseeish though that he's inheriting. He's
also inheriting to me. Tennessee can get you to the
wildcard in the AFC.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
That's true. Liked you in this in this division in
the AFC East, first year coach Aaron Glenn with the Jets, Well,
see how he plays out last year coach Mike McDaniel
because he's on the way out the door. If this
doesn't go well, first play schedule for the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:51:33):
I hear you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
So there, I see.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
I could see nine here in competing with the Pittsburgh's
of the world for the wildcard.

Speaker 2 (01:51:39):
Yeah, I think the Commanders are going to be in
a little bit more trouble here.

Speaker 4 (01:51:45):
Wow, you're hitting me with the command on a sequential
pause for the pivot.

Speaker 3 (01:51:50):
I think the Commanders. You look at their record in
one score games. You look at the teams that they've
beaten some of those one score games, like the Bears.
Of course I'm forgetting the other one. But this, this team,
to me, had a ton of games, came down to

(01:52:10):
the wire. Jayden Daniels was incredible. I'm saying this, do
it again, do it again.

Speaker 2 (01:52:17):
The sophomore slump is real, Mark like, and I'm this,
I'm not I hate no Jadon Daniels, none of that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
But maybe if the Lions aren't missing an actual double
digit number of players who had started for the defense right,
not a Nott.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
The eleven defensive starters players that had started right.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
Jamal Adams was on the Lions defensive offer in that
game against the Washington Convenders.

Speaker 2 (01:52:43):
Okay, all due respect to the LSU legend, Jamal Adams
was on that roster.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
So I think maybe things go different, you know, I
think maybe if Frankie Louvill keeps jumping over the pile
for a touch push, maybe things go a little bit
different and that, like, and so I just am curious
to know how the Commander's team, with a boatload of expectations,
handles them with the defending Super Bowl champions in your division.

(01:53:11):
And I know that this is gonna sound crazy, so
it'd be the last one I say. But over the
last four years, three of them, the Dallas Cowboys went
twelve to five. I know last year was the most
recent and they got a new coach, but Dak Prescott
Ceedee Lamb and the like, that still is above average
in terms of this. Now, are they gonna win the

(01:53:32):
Super Bowl? No, but they could win enough to knock
off a team like the Commander.

Speaker 2 (01:53:37):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
Can they win eight games and one of the eight
be against Washington and knock them down a peg.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Like that to me seems like a reality. Dallas went
seven six to eight games and one of them to
be the Commanders, maybe two of them to be the Commanders.
I'm not blinking twice at that.

Speaker 4 (01:53:53):
You're a good salesman, because now I'm deep in the
weeds on Commanders numbers ever plus one that and over
differential they were right above. I don't say your Saints,
of course, there are two notches above the Jets from
overall points per game perspective, defensively, and then you look
at their schedule Martin, you gotta go play the AFC West.
That's not fun at Kansas City, Denver, the Chargers. You know,

(01:54:20):
you look at the division already on top of that,
and then you pepper in the NFC North, you got Detroit.
You gotta go to Minnesota. I mean, this is not
a cupcake schedule by any means, Not to mention worth
shouting out. They got tape on JAD.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Now, look, this is a team. We just did the
math on it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:43):
The commanded if you do them with the last two
years sixteen and eighteen, right, So I'm just saying the roster,
the turnover.

Speaker 2 (01:54:51):
This was a lot of the same roster plus Jayden
Daniels right now. They ended the regular season last year
five straight wins.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Three of them occurred on the last play from scrimmage,
and the fourth one ended with the Commanders stopping a
two point con version. That's a lot, that's a lot
of calling heads in it coming up your way.

Speaker 4 (01:55:15):
That is definitely pendulum pendulum swinging back the other way
for this year.

Speaker 3 (01:55:19):
This team could even be better than the one last
year and not finished as well.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
It does beg the question of what kind of NFC
East we're gonna be running into too.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
Coming up next, we will go back to Game seven.
I might just have a way for us to make
a little money betting as in this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
Who wins?

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Who knows, But we could win some money and that's
what's important coming up with that. Martin Wiss, Alex Monico,
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:55:47):
Game seven is almost tier can't I can't believe it?
The small market finals. Who even wants to there's no
there's no name, bread recognition. What are we doing? You
know what we're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
We're having a hell of a time over here at
this NBA Finals, So all you fake TV executives were.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
Saying, well, what about the ratings? Oh my gosh, what
about the superstars? You know what? Shut up, everyone's watching
Sunday now. Everybody is watching Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
Were locked in eight o'clock Eastern, So just about twenty
one hours from now we will see game seven starting now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Alex, you are the true better here. I'll say that
I bet a lot, but I am not very good.
I lose.

Speaker 3 (01:56:39):
That's what people were like, how can show hel Tany's interpreter.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
Lose forty five erc out of his bets and still
want to bet. I was like, y'all, don't get it.
I get it. That's me one hundred percent, because if
you win fifty five, it's just enough to lie to yourself. Okay,
it's just enough to lie to yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
And I might be lying on myself here, but Alex,
I think there's some value here on the finals MVP.

Speaker 2 (01:57:03):
There's a lot of value Martin.

Speaker 4 (01:57:04):
I mean, if we're looking at essentially SGA aside, you're
getting over three to one. And it's depending where you shop,
of course, but I'll pull up at MGM here. Seeakham's
plus three twenty five for those listing, that's ten dollars
to win thirty two to twenty five back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Jalen Williams is plus ten fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:57:26):
And then you start getting interesting, and I'll toss it
to you Haliburton at fifteen to one, so that'd be
one hundred down and win fifteen hundred back sixteen your pocket.
It is an interesting play. And then I have to
get your inkling on the only other two on the board,
which is TJ. McConnell at plus ten thousand and ob
top In at plus twenty five thousand your take.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
So here's the thing I've learned over my years of
doing this, And not only do I have ridley to
think pretty decent takes, I can also predict what the
takes will be after the fact. Oh I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
So I think the value here to me is on
Pascal Siakam. I'd bet big there. I think the Pacers
win this game. The odds here to me show that
Vegas still is downplaying Indiana's ability to potentially win this game.
Agree That's why Shake Gilders Alexander is such a heavy
favorite to win the MVP because if Oklahoma City does

(01:58:21):
win it, he will be the MVP, and it will
be well deserved. I don't want to hear anything about
Jaylen Williams and his forty points. He gets all of
that because Shay Gilders Alexander is who he is. Pascal Siakam,
I believe when you consider the people who vote for
this award, right, I think the MVP of the finals,

(01:58:41):
if Indiana wins, is gonna be won by one vote,
it'll be a five to four difference, and the five
to four will be Pascal Siakam. Like you was said,
I think it'll be that close with Tyrese Haliburt, and
I think the argument that he'll have is Pascal is
better in the finals, and.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Everybody else that takes will be Halliburton got them here.
This is a stupid award. Halliburton's the reason why they
play the way they play, and this is just the
second year in a row that they got the Eastern
Conference Finals.

Speaker 3 (01:59:10):
In the NBA Finals MVP role, that'll be the takes.
But I think Siakam's the smart bet here.

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
I think your spot on I just want to throw
you one caveat and I love calling it an ice
cube triple double.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
If you're a throwback fan of ice Cube on the mic.

Speaker 4 (01:59:28):
If TJ McConnell, who has flirted with it, and Halliburton,
who had a twenty two to nine and eleven game,
either of them, obviously Halliburton way more likely to take
a triple double. Does that change your thinking at all
for a PACER's MVP bout?

Speaker 3 (01:59:45):
Ironically enough, I partially think that TJ McConnell might be
at a better would have better odds to have a
triple double than Tyres Haliburt. Yeah, that like I don't
without knowing off the doubt. I weirdly feel like, oh,
I just just say this might be the more valuable bet.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
He was twelve nine and six last game. That's what
I'm saying. He was the postgame interview.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
I will say this, if TJ McConnell wins the finals MVP,
I will be the one shouting.

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
About how they got it wrong two years ago. It
will be me.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
I respect TJ McConnell immensely. I think it's awesome what
he does. The only reason he is able to do
what he does is because he plays twenty three minutes
a game, And the only reason he plays twenty business
game is because Tyreek celibrating directly in front of him
is a.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Star, now superstar, not sure, but star, and that's why
that exists. Completely agree, I'm lockstep with you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:36):
We are out of here on the Pacers Money Line
and siakam at Plus three twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:00:41):
I love it, Marin, I absolutely love it. I'm sprinking
just a little bit. It's a little not Seattle Rain,
little Arizona Rain.

Speaker 3 (02:00:48):
On Tyree's Taliburt for MVP as well, but coming up next,
Jason Martin, Arnie Spaniel look keep it locked to Fox
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