Martin Weiss & Ephraim Salaam Discuss Shedeur Sanders 2nd Start For Cleveland, Lane Kiffin Heading To LSU, Who Are The Carolina Panthers, Broncos Vs Commanders on SNF, & More!!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
You know that's a perfect, a perfect introduction, because every
every time I watch a professional football game, Ephraim, I'm
reminded that me, Martin Weiss, these.

Speaker 3 (00:17):
Guys are nothing like me. Right like I am.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
I consider myself an all American man. I go out
and fix change my own oil. Okay, right, you know
what I'm saying. Well, let me tell you something. If
I fractured my left hand, I'm.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Going to valvelin. I'm done.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm done, du and done, capital exclamation point.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Over with Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
The news comes out breaks punitent that he broke a
bone in his left hand. And today's win against the
Raiders and a game in which was it was thirty
one to fourteen, but kind of the final score was
a little closer than the than the actual game you
actually you were watching it, you know what I'm saying,
And it's like that's kind of the thing about football,

(01:02):
you know, you scored seven points at a time that
final score can look a little different than the actual stats.
To the Chargers killed the Raiders today, but in the
war lost Justin Herbert for a little bit, but he
came back into the game. So in this moment, I
didn't know if I was underreacting or overreacting. Okay, because
they did the breaking news, whoa Justin Herbert's wiz broke,

(01:25):
and so I thought, wait a minute, he finished the game, right,
He went into the locker room, came back out, finished
the game. I remember watching Aaron Rodgers play just a
few minutes ago with also a fractured left wrist. If
I'm a Chargers fan or somebody who's supporting this team
as they're trying to make this wild card a potential
division winning run, how worried am I about this left wrist?

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Just to keep it in context, He's right handed, so
essentially it's pain tolerance, and can you use it as
a post to hold the ball in your hands? Now
you won't be able to grip it, but most right
handed quarterbacks aren't worried about that. You may have to

(02:14):
be in shotgun or at the pistol. We saw Aaron
Rodgers and the pistol a lot today because of the
cast on his hand. But it's really all pay management.
I'll tell you what was hard. I think in six
or seven I broke two fingers, those two fingers on
my right hand.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
The pinky and the ring. Yeah, the ones that are
not no longer straight. Okay, yeah, you are throwing up
a little gang sign there.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
And then I shattered The next game, I shattered my
knuckle on my right hand, so this whole thing was gone.
And then I started fourteen games as an offensive left
tackle with two broken hands. They clubbed me up. It
was difficult, but it's all pain management. And there's not

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a lot of quarterbacks, not a lot of starting quarter
multiple starting quarterbacks on teams, and there's not a lot
of starting left tackles on teams. So in certain positions
you feel the need to do whatever it takes to
give your your there's almost an obligation you have to.
It's not about now you can safeties, you got all
kinds of dbs. You got about nine deep dbs, you

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got about seven receivers, you got three four running backs.
But there are very few left tackles and very few
quarterbacks multiples of those on any roster. So you kind
of feel like, yo, look I have to do this.
This is something that I need to do, and then
you just push through it. You go in, you get
taped up to get you a little shot and then

(03:46):
you go out there and he finished the game. I
always take my hat off to players who can play
through pain. My wife and I were having a conversation
a couple of weeks ago watching the game, and I'm
speaking strictly from an off intive lineman's point of view.
So many times the last couple of years, and especially

(04:06):
this year, you'll see an offensive lineman get rolled up
on and then they'll like come off the field. And
maybe that's a good thing in terms of longevity and health, right,
but it was never that was never a thing when
I was playing, Like if you got if I got
my leg rolled up on on my ankle, rolled up
on on my shoulder, hit by the running back as

(04:29):
I was blocking, I didn't. It wasn't even a notion
to come out.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
You were going out. You were somebody had to have
taken you. I can't come back in. That's the whole point.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Like, if I'm going out, it's oh, I'm not gonna
go out for a play or two. I'll wait to
the end of the drive, address whatever it is, so
you don't miss a play like I don't. I just
and it's a different mindset. Like I said, I played
a long time ago, and it was just a different mindset.

(05:01):
Then it was more of oh, you're gonna have to
kill me to get me off the field. And because
mentalities have shifted and and and guys are are are
more cautious now, maybe there won't be such, uh such
the long term effect, right, but it just it's just
still weird to me that guys are just subbing out

(05:25):
for a couple of plays, uh, and then coming back
in like it just was an it does.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It throws a weird feeling to me because it's there's
a level of like, are you hurt or did you
did you need a break?

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Did you need some water? I like being hurt and
being injured completely two different things. And then you're justin
Herbert was obviously injured. Of course you break a bone
in your hand, and he ran and got off the field,
ran in there and ran back out right. He got
it taken care of a just that you could see
it when he was running off the field. They showed
that left uh ring finger looked kind of wonky as

(06:02):
he was running into the tunnel. But I mean, as
an offensive linean me personally, you're gonna get a tweak
every place, someone's gonna roll up on your legs, someone's
gonna hurt your shoulder. It's just gonna happen every single place.
So if you get into the habit of limping off
the field and then limping back on the field, it
just it feels weird. And yeah, it's a different time.

(06:25):
I get it. I understand that. But you know, I
just you know, we were trained to just fight and
through everything, and I mean everything.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
It reminds me if you coach es basketball, so you'll
relate to this. But one of the things that my
basketball coach you used to say when I was in
high school, and it's true all the way up to
the professional level.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
If you want to see just how hurt a guy
is passing the ball.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Oh yeah, like a guy can be limping up the
court if you're passing the ball to see just how
hurt is if he passes it right back, all right,
hey blow the wists.

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Have to get him up out of here.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
But if he doesn't, all right, you could probably go
back there and get the defensive stance, because I saw
you just cross over and try to get to the rim.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
Right, you can't get only get hurt on defense. It's funny,
did you bring that up on? Because my son, who
was you know, youth basketball, AAU player basketball, he'll fall
and he's very clumsy. He's very tall for his age
and there's no hot to control his body yet and
he'll fall and he'll look at me like oh, and

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he'll I'll be like, hey, man, get up, you gotta
get up, gotta and he'll start limping and start limping,
and then they'll get like a turnover something and then
he'll just take off for the break, to take off
for the break, score the bucket, and I'm just like, oh, okay,
I said you now, you can't limp back down the
court after you took off in the full sprint.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
That that limping and playing for the for the crowd.
That's over.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
But it's just a natural thing for kids, especially to
look to be placated when something's not going right, or
they're injured, or they just want the love from the
family or the mom or dad.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
But I'm like, nah, man, let's go.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
If you're out there, you're out there, and if not,
tell the coach you can't go, right, that's it. If
you can't go, then and it's just about having them
look at bumps and bruises a different way mentally, because
if you are going to be an athlete, you have
to have a different approach mentally to those bumps and

(08:32):
scrapes and bruises than a normal person would.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
And this is a little more than a bumper, scrap
or bruise. A fracture is a big deal.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, right.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I was laughing at Mike Tomlin as he was talking
about Aaron Rodgers fracture, saying that it was a small fraction.
That sounds like it's small only to the person who
does not have it. Right, A small fracture only exists
to the person who's talking about it, not the person
who actually has that fracture.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
On his hand.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
But uh, justin Herbert, to me strikes me as a
type of player.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
I think we've seen it throughout his career.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
He's type of guy who will play through injury, if
he's if he's if he's able to play, he will
be out there. And I just think in terms of
the Chargers, it's interesting because we kind of have seen
them in the last three weeks get smacked and then
come out and smack somebody. I just think ultimately the
offensive line for the Chargers is gonna be their their
death now and that they're not gonna be able to

(09:29):
overcome just the raw, just lack of player, Like they've
love lost with Seaw Slater, they lost Joe All. They
traded for Trevor Penning, he got benched. I saw he
was back in the game today, right Like, they are
throwing offensive linemen at a problem that does not seem
like they have the right offensive lihman to fix it,
and I think that ultimately.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Would be their biggest issue.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
Well, when you look at their schedule coming down the stretch,
it's a bit of a buzzsall and not having healthy
tackles going in this stretch. They have the Eagles, then
they go to Kansas City, then they go to Dallas,
then they have the Texans and the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
You want to talk about a gauntlet.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
They're going to have to earn their playoff spot.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
And look.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
How much do I mean at eight and four, all
they have to do to solidify a playoff spot is
win three out of the last five. They just gotta
get three, maybe two, but they have to they have
to get three, and if they can do that, they'll
be If they can look up into you know, catch

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the Texans at the right time.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Well, you know what might be one of their saving graces.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
The Broncos may have exactly, The Broncos may have locked
this thing up because as we look, as we look
at the AFC playoff.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Picture right now, you would have made a whole lot
of money if you could have predicted.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
This before the start of the season.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
But the Broncos and the Patriots right now are on pretty.
They're sitting very pretty and at a result, at a
place where they most of the time, the Broncos are
the beneficiary of like the Chiefs resting players in the
final game of the season. Now it's a reality where
that could be the case. I know it's projecting way

(11:26):
far out there, but when you're talking about winning three
of the next five, you could easily go if you're
Los Angeles the Chargers two and two Denver.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Say, even if Denver goes too and two, if everybody.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Else in the division goes too and two over the
next four weeks, Denver is not playing Week seventeen, and
the Chargers will need that win to be able to
make the postseason. Yeah, I think Denver's not playing for anything.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
I should say, and this game tonight, it goes a
long way into seeing.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
That that.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
With with with with with Denver, Denver can can take
care of their business tonight. It puts them in a
perfect position to have an extra week, you know, possibly
two extra weeks uh, to get back healthy and to
We're like, no, I'm not quite sure. If Sean Payton

(12:24):
would rest everyone in week seventeen and then have the
bye after that, that's that's that's that's that's tough.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I don't know if they.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Would dress they I think they would treat a preseason
issue right, maybe go out and get a series. We'll
get a quarter a series or something. We're gonna stay sharp,
but we're not just gonna Yeah, Sean Paigon is not
not practicing stop. Yeah, I don't see Sean.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
I've known Sean since college, and I don't see him like, hey,
we're gonna take these two weeks off heading into the
most pivotal game of my tenure here.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
At at the Broncos. I don't see that.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
But you know, if for whatever reason, they've locked up
the second seed and you know, I can see them,
I can see them sitting everybody and not playing their
starters in that week seventeen matchup, giving them a week
off like a sort of a self imposed by if

(13:20):
New England winds up being the number one seed.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
Especially too, because as good as the Broncos record is,
and even in their losses, you could point to, well,
we don't jump over the center. We beat the Colts, right,
you know what I'm saying. Maybe he hits a sixty
two yard field goal. I know things are different these
days in the kicking game, but still sixty two yard
field goal for most guys feels like a coin flip, right,
So like you can feel good about that. But I

(13:44):
think Sean Payton be the first to tell you, Well,
maybe not the first to tell you, but he'd be.
He would be admitted in behind closed doors, there's things
about his office that he does not like.

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Right, Oh yeah, it's sometimes it's hard to watch. Yeah,
And I think to.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
The point, if we can win all these these games
and then have three weeks or two weeks of games
where outcome doesn't matter so much, that's what he'll be
spending those two weeks doing is trying to fix or
figure out what he can get done in that offense,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Whatever they can whatever small.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Tweak, because obviously you're not gonna be able to input
anything massively new into it. But like what Ben Johnson did,
he said at the bye week, he said it was
easier to fix the run game than it was to
fix the pass game. So I fixed the run game,
and then all of a sudden Thanksgiving Day or the
day after, we're watching two hundred dry rushers for the Bears.
You know, it's like sometimes you can do one, two

(14:35):
or three little tweaks and you can't do it all.
But if you emphasize and put your effort into one thing,
and that one thing can really.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Take you to the next level.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
We see it all the time, and in fact, I
think a lack of doing that is really impacting a
team who is a top division in the ASC and
now kind of just looking even at a team that's
I mean, this collapse right now. I know it's not
as do we just hit Thanksgiving, but it feels emminent
and it feels like it's coming, and it feels like

(15:06):
we've seen this movie a million times and I know the.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Fans of this team are sick of it.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
And you know what, I didn't even have a written
down you look the game up already.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You do exactly what I saw about.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
We'll get to that AFC matchup in just a Momas
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Speaker 3 (16:21):
Here a matchup.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
You know, when they put this one on the schedule earlier,
they thought this was gonna be a pretty good game.
You know, Jane Daniels out with the elbow injury, though
he is trying his best to come back. But right
now Broncos atop the AFC are I'm sorry, the two
seed in the AFC is New England's the one, but
this is a shit Did you think that this Broncos

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could be here at a time like like I know,
obviously we're getting to the part where football really starts
to matter, where records start to really come into it.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
But still, nine and two is nine and two nine
and two.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Once you get to nine and two, you've won the
games you're supposed to win and won some of the
ones you had to win. And now I think that's
the important thing. People love to point to, well they
haven't played anybody, Well, look at the schedule, but winning
nine out of eleven games, it's hard to do in

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any professional league, especially in the NFL, where they made
a whole movie called any Given Sunday. And I'll tell
you what if the Carolina Panthers have taught us anything
this year, it's you better show up and show out
are you gonna get shown the door? And so for

(17:43):
the Broncos, for bow Knicks, for Sean Payton, I think
it's been a steady incline. I think Bo Knicks as
a rookie last year had a hell of a rookie season.
He's gotten better, the team has gotten better. And did
I think think they would be nine to two? Absolutely not.

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Did I think they would be a viable playoff team?

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Again? Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (18:08):
It just goes to show you that, you know, if
you can get your team locked in and focused, then
anything can happen.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
And look they've they've been lucky.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
A lot of teams have been hit with severe injury bugs.
It's a war of attrition really what it comes down
to it, especially in the NFL, because at any moment,
any play, any game, you can lose key players to
your team. But just trying to find a way and
put game plans together to give your team the best opportunity.

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Sean Payton has been doing that for a long.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Time, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
I think it's something that I find interesting an observation
I've made looking at the AFC in particular, but really
the NFL, but mostly if you especially like the AFC
playoff picture you talked about it's a war of attrition.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
You look at the two teams.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
At the top, New England and Denver, right, and then
prior to today, I know their neck and neck Jacksonville
in Indianapolis, and then Seattle is one of the better
teams in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
At me thinking the longest time, it was the cheat
code was.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
The rookie quarterback or the quarterback on the rookie deal
that that could really be an impact player, right, and
you try to build around that guy as so much
as possible before you have to pay him the big dollars, right.
And you see that with New England, you see that
with Denver. I think there's like a secondary lane here
where you can have like the mid market quarterback, right,

(19:36):
I don't know, the town home quarterback, the condo quarterback
was like the Sam Darnold and the Daniel Jones, where
you have a guy who has more experience in those rookies, right,
but you're not paying them sixty million dollars to be
able to build out the rest of your roster. So
I think what you can have there is that you
can survive when your quarterback doesn't necessarily have a great
game where you can survive when you missed two or

(19:59):
three defensive line go down because you have a deeper
team around them, just because you have more money.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Yeah, I think I think you make a good point there.
I think the trend we're going to start to see
our quarterbacks who similar to what brock Party did. Right,

(20:26):
brock Party wasn't pressed on getting market value. You gotta remember,
since Dak Prescott signed that deal, no other quarterback has
said give me sixty million dollars a year.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
Right.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
You have to realize you can make good money. You
can make fifty you can make fifty five, you can
make you know whatever that is. But it's also about
I can give you sixty and you can go about
your business, right, I can. You can be in a
situation where Cincinnati is in right.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
You know. The miraculous thing is Dallas has been able
to weather that well. They persons.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
They made some moves that benefited them opposed to dumping
more money into another singular player. With all the money
they have on the offensive side. Now, you know, ironically
enough and a couple of months, they're gonna have to
make a decisions. They're in my opinion, they're best receiver
this year in George Pinkins at Pickens, And so we'll

(21:41):
see if if he's and our receivers don't normally take
hometown deals, that would normally be a quarterback position to
be like, now, give me fifty five, not sixty receivers, Like,
give me all the money I want it right now,
put it in one bag and put it in the
trunk of my car. So it'd be interesting to see
what negotiatesations are like with jord Picketts. Now I know

(22:04):
if he does hit the open market, he's going to
bring in a hefty hall another to the hall that
we're going to get from the one and only Dan
Bis guys.

Speaker 6 (22:21):
The Broncos on the move right now against the Commanders,
opening possession, still scoreless, but Boenicks has them inside the Reds.
I actually right about the twenty yard line early on,
just four minutes gone by in that game in DC.

Speaker 3 (22:35):
Justin Herbert says, if it's up to.

Speaker 6 (22:37):
Me, I'm going to play a week from tomorrow, I'm
Monday Night Football against the Philadelphia Eagles. But he's going
to have surgery tomorrow for a fractured hand suffered in
today's win over the Raiders final score thirty one to fourteen.
In that contest, Herbert still through two touchdown passes after
having to leave the game in the first half.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
With the injury.

Speaker 6 (22:55):
All Seahawks today they're nine to three, blanking out the
Vikings or shutting out the Vikings twenty six to nothing.
Max Brosmer through four interceptions and was sacked four times
in his rookie debut. Bills are now eight and four.
They topped the Steelers twenty six to seven. Josh Allen
one hundred and twenty three yards in the air I
had a touchdown pass, also a touchdown run seventy six

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of his career, most of any quarterback in NFL history.
Earlier today, some headlines Panthers stay topped the Rams thirty
one to twenty eight. Carolinas seven and six. Bryce Young
threw three touchdown passes. Matthew Stafford was picked off twice,
also had a late fumble on a drive that could
have tied or maybe given the Rams the lead. In Charlotte,
forty nine. Ers were victors against the Browns twenty six

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to eight. San Francisco's nine to four Buccaneers were twenty
to seventeen victors against the Cardinals in the AFC South Showdown,
Texans win an Indy against the Colts. Right now, Texans
seven and five. Colts are eight and four, as are
the Jaguars, who roll past the Titans today twenty five
to three. Dolphins got passed the Saints twenty one to seventeen,

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and the Jets get a fifty six yard field goal
from Nick Folk to top the Foulilkins.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Today twenty seven to twenty four.

Speaker 6 (24:02):
Lane Kiffin announced he's leaving for LSU Michigan states they
fired Jonathan Smith after two seasons. Detroit Free Press as
that former Northwestern head coach Pat Fitzgerald is in line
to be the next Spartans head coach. Auburn's hired Florida's
Alex Golis is their new head coach. Florida finalizing a
six year deal to hire two Lanes, John Summral and guys.

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In the NBA, Knicks just routed the Raptors one, sixteen
to ninety four. Celtics hold on for a one to
seventeen one to fifteen victory against the Cavs.

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Speaker 3 (25:00):
This producers put it up there.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
So we talked about, like you know, this time of
the year being one where guys are kind of playing
for This is why I find fascinating about this time
of the year. Because we said it earlier how the
Broncos won't be playing for anything. I rephrase it now,
they can't play. They won't be playing. There's no seating
advantage should be played. But there are guys making and

(25:24):
breaking their careers like every Sunday. And I'm not saying
that today was necessarily to make or break for Shador Sanders.
Kevin Sepanski already said Chador is gonna come out and
make his third start or appear in his third game,
no third start right, make his third start coming up
next week, so he is going to be the starter
for at least seven more days. But what did you

(25:45):
see out of Shador Sanders, especially compared to what you've
seen already out of Shador Sanders.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
Well, Look, first of all, I loved their first drive.
They'd he come away with any points? I thought, I
think it's important to score points when you put your team,
your offense in the position to score points. I'm not
a big fan of going for it on fourth downs
all the time. I think just for momentum sake, it's

(26:12):
hard to ask a offense to drive down the field
and to come settle for nothing and put your defense
in a tough situation as well. But I thought he
had command of the offense. I like what he did.
I like the game plan that they were running sixteen

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for twenty five one hundred and forty nine yards a touchdown.
Got sacked three times, but he had a pretty good
passing rating, and he looked more comfortable this week than
he did last week, which looked more comfortable than he
did two weeks ago when he came in when Dylan
Gabriel went down. Look sure, Dorit Sanders can play. He
can play. The more reps he gets in practice, the

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more reps he gets on Sunday, the better he'll be.
He has the intentibles, he can make the throws down
the field that we had seen void for the Cleveland
Browns this year so far. And I think Kevin Stefanski,
I think he sees how the team is rallying around him.
He's galvanized that locker room. So why not. I mean,

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they're both rookies, so at this point you have to
go with who you think can really spark the offense.
You look at your record, You're three to nine right now.
You're just playing to develop, right, You're just and so
you got to pick a guy. You can't develop them
both at the same time. It's you know, unfortunate that

(27:40):
that Dylan Gabriel had a concussion they had to miss
a game. Uh, But dims beat the breaks. Uh in
the NFL and in pro sports period.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
To be honest, and I'm not trying to disparage the
concussions are a real thing. I'm not taking anything away
from the fact that it just but you can feel
in concussion for any injury that would have had Dylan
Gear knocked out for at least a game. Dylan Gabriel
had a three to four game audition period to where
if he had gotten hurt bad enough he you know,

(28:10):
to miss a game, he could have played well enough
to be the starter. Like for example, in Cincinnati. I
know it's a stretch, but in Cincinnati Joe Burrow got hurt,
as soon as Joe Burrow was healthy, they put him
right back out there.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
Right. Yeah, Washington, as soon.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
As Jaydon daniels elbow is better to play, Marcus Mariota
will be back sitting on the bench.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Right.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
So Dylan Gabriel had an opportunity to kind of solidify
himself even though he was going to miss games due
to injury. Right, Like, I think Shador Sanders is now
taking that step that we did not see Dylan Gabriel take.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
And I think, like.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
When when you're talking about developing quarterbacks, I think this
is something.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Also we'll talk.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
About Minnesota in next hour, but it's something I find
because like I went to Michigan, big Michigan fan. I
watched JJ McCarthy's every snap he took college. So I
don't think he's like when he after they won a championship.
I said, I do not think he's a NFL quarterback.
I don know, right, you know saying I was like Minnesota, right,
But I mean I was saying I watched every stab.
I said, I don't think he's a NFL quarterback, right,

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And I thought that he should have gone back to school.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
Then they take him. I'm like, all right, cool, hey, But.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
When you have a guy that's gonna take that much development,
what's the upside? Like if you're gonna do if you're
gonna tell me that Josh Allen is gonna take two
years of development for me to get peak Josh Allen
or Patrick Mahomes is gonna take one year is sitting
on the bench, and then after one year sitting on

(29:39):
the bench, he'll be able to come out and be
Patrick Mahomes. Those are things that you're well and good
and happy to invest in, right. But if you're telling
me that, what is Dylan Gabriel going to be?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
Like?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
At what is the peak? A one best option? Like
the best output from Dylan Gabriel, It can't be as
high as the number one for Sir Door Sanders, Like,
do you see.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
What I'm saying?

Speaker 4 (30:04):
I think the intenios physically different, Yeah, I think the
intangibles are different. Now, I'm not saying Dylan Gabriel can't
be a good quarterback in the right system. I don't
know if Cleveland is the right system for any quarterback.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
I mean, it's been forty five starting quarterbacks since what
twenty nineteen whatever, nineteen nine, nine, forty five, forty five. Yeah,
it feels like thousand quarterbacks, but forty five starting quarterbacks.
So I don't know if Cleveland is the right system
for a quarterback. I'm sure Baker Mayfield will say it's

(30:37):
not sure, and so we don't quite know what's going
on in that quarterback room. First of all, remember in
training camp they had five guys on the quarter traded
for Kenny Pickett, they had Joe Flacco, and you draft
two quarterbacks in the same draft, so you got two

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rookie quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
To me, that alone lets me know they're not quite.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
In tune with how to develop and how this process goes.
Because now the leash is too short. Dylan gabro doesn't
play well, she do? Or you get in there, Oh
he doesn't play well, Oh Dylan, you go back in
there like that's not how you develop a player, right,
And that's the situation they're.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
In as a team.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And that's what I find so like because I we
pay more attention to this. Obviously you lived this, but
we pay more attention to this than the average person
who's just listening to us.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Right, this is our job, right, So like.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
I am aware that the backup quarterback doesn't get reps,
it's just not how it goes. The starter gets all
the reps because the starter is the guy that's going
to play. Now, you could argue the efficacy of that,
but what I'm not gonna argue is that that's what happens, right,
And I think the interesting part about it, You saw
all these people who were complaining essentially that Shador Sanders

(32:03):
were not being developed. Cleveland was just making the decision,
we're going to try to develop Dylan Gabriel ahead of
Shador Sanders. That's really the decision that was made. And
now I think we see them making the other one, uh,
the opposite, And but who knows they can make that.
They could change their minds on that one a week
from today, just like they changed their minds on the
Dylan Gabriel one.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
What two weeks ago.

Speaker 4 (32:24):
You're right, and I think to your point about reps
in practice, normally, if you have a veteran quarterback, he
wants all the reps like so right like he like
starting quarterbacks are meticulous about preparation.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Meticulous.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
They want every blitz period a rep, they want every
a third down period where they want every team rep.
That's the case. Now when you have a rookie starting
and the backup is a rookie, Now the onus is
on you as a coach because you understand that you're
one play away or one erratic bad half away from

(33:12):
putting the other guy in. So you have to come
up with ways to do that. Case in point, if
they want Dylan Gabriel to have all of the reps
in practice, then you have to extend each period by
four plays. Sure, so now you extend the team period
by four plays and let your door take those four plays.

(33:33):
You extend the blitz pick up period by four plays
and let your doer take those four plays. Nine on seven,
you extend that by four plays and let shouldure take.
That's how you work around that, and it's the onus
is on the head coach to be able to facilitate that.

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Having a quarterback unprepared to go into the game just
in case something happens is the reflection on.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
Upstairs.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
That's that's where that comes from. Now Schadur must prepare
like a starter, whether he gets reps or not. But
there's something to be said about being out there and
letting the offensive line, the receivers and everybody hear your
voice making a cadence.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
And I will say this whatever it is like, not
just in terms of on the playing field, off of
the playing field, juice, swag, whatever, aura, whatever new word
is coming up for Like seriously, whatever the kids wear
pajeba pants, call this now. It's like, cha, Door's got
it right and so definite, like can the can the

(34:44):
play on the field match the bravado off the field?

Speaker 3 (34:48):
And if and if it's able to congratulations.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
I don't know do you have a starting quarterback, but
you have a very marketable starting quarterback who everyone in
your city would love and defend and where's Jersey and
argue endlessly online in his defense. But coming up next,
we finally have an end to the saga that has
been plaguing the football world for weeks. It's over now,

(35:12):
for everybody except for one team. We'll get to that
in just a minute. Martin Weiss, Ephraim Salam Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
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Speaker 2 (35:29):
Live Well Ephraim, Martin Weise, epht Sualan coming to you
live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. The Cliffin. The
Kiffin clock has struck zero. We now know where the
glass slipper is. It's in Baton Rouge. As Lane Kiffin,
fresh off of a Friday daytime Egg Bowl win, did

(35:51):
not like seeing the egg Bowl during sunlight. It felt weird,
very much like it felt weird that the sideline reporter
was reporting, I don't know, I think team with one
loss is about to lose their head coach. It sounds
like he's up out of there, or Martin Smith sounds
like he's up out of there.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
And sure enough we have finally got the news by
Lane Kivin in the Sunday a Sunday one o'clock PM dump.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Right. He did it right as.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
The Sunday games were kicking off, So all the other
reporters will be busy Lane Kiff in the next coach
at LSU and not coaching Old Miss in the College
Football Playoff, the birth that they will very much likely get.
How do you feel about the idea that Lane Kiffin
is leaving Old.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Miss to go coach LSU. I'm I don't mind him leaving.
I don't like when he's leaving. I think if you
have kids by in to what you're selling by in to,

(36:54):
you know, the message that you're you're preaching. I think
at the least you can do is finish out with them.
I think that's important to do. Now, understand, business is business.
But like you said, for all into his purposes, they

(37:16):
will be in the College Football Playoff, and you want
to talk about distractions. I just don't think it's fair
to them. Uh, he's not taking the kids with him
to LSU. May some of them, but he's going to
take all of them.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
I imagine he'll do something similar to Uh. I think
De'on Sanders made it famous. So I'm bringing my luggage
with me. I imagine he'll have some luggage from Oxford
on the way to Baton Rouge.

Speaker 4 (37:48):
Yeah, but you have an eleven in one season. You've
had a tremendous year. I just think the timing of
it all, it's poor timing in my estimation, in my
in my mind because obviously the kids have bought into
that system and they revere him as a coach, and

(38:11):
to know, hey, he's leaving, he's out before the job
is done, it just kind of put the bad taste
in my mouth. And look, maybe this is a different
time and it's just business. Business is business. So I
take it he's not coaching them in the playoffs or
anything like. No, he's not Pete Golden.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Who's been an SEC assistant for a long time. I
know he also coached under Saving. He's a defensive coordinator
for ole Miss. He's going to be the head coach
of the team in the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, I think that's why. So you think Keiffn should
have been able to coach his team, and I think
he should have.

Speaker 4 (38:43):
They should slow this process down and announce it after
the you know, after it's done. And I get it,
you gotta recruit, you gotta start now and all of that.
But I think I think oh Miss probably.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Would have been down for that. But if I'm LSU,
I'm about to pay you upwards of sixty seventy eighty
million dollars. It's gonna be my next head coach. You
don't get to take two weeks before you get the job. Yeah,
well that's the and maybe that's the problem. Maybe the
problem is.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
The timing of it, all right, the way these coaches
start interviewing for these jobs, Maybe we need to pull
back on that a little bit and and let them
finish out what they're doing. Because I can tell you this,
when LSU, when he's offered, you know, by Alabama twice

(39:37):
what LSU is paying him, and he leaves in the
middle of it.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
You know, I just don't. I just don't like what
that means for the players.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
That's my biggest takeaway is if we're going through have
college football free agency and we're gonna have like essentially
with the transperportal, that's what that is college football free agency,
except that happens every single years. That have you know,
you know, everybody's up every single year, is what I
should say. Then there has to be, in my opinion,

(40:07):
a hiring and firing calendar the same way like right now,
Dan Quinn coaches the Washington Commanders, the new York Giants
job is open, the Tennessee Titans job is available. They
can't just say I'm hiring dan Quinn week fourteen. Do
you know what I'm saying week fifteen. There's a period
of time in which you can then hire Dan Quinn

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when all the interviews, all that has gone through.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That's what has to happen to college football.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Otherwise, like this whole handshake deal is gonna get blown
by by people who don't respect handshaksing.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
That's what that is coming up next.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
The most resprising result in the NFL today.

Speaker 3 (40:44):
What does it mean? We'll break it down.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
That's right, you are the man, Martin Wise, Ephraim Salaam
here for another two hours on Sunday Night breaking it
down for you. You got the start of the second quarter
in Sunday Night Football, Broncos with they field goal lead
on the Commanders. As you heard Dan Bayer just tell
you break it the dollar down. But also you said
it earlier in the show. Even any given Sunday, and

(41:13):
this week, it's been any given Thursday, Friday or Sunday
that we have seen upsets both in the points spread
and just also just in the way we view teams
right breaking down happening today watching the Carolina Panthers defeat
the Los Angeles Rams thirty one to twenty eight. They're

(41:37):
seven and six going into the bye for the Panthers.
And this was a team that earlier this season was
so bad that fans who did a podcast of about
the team said that they had to stop doing the show.
They were like, it takes too much out of us

(41:58):
to break down this bad football all the time, that
we actually will quit. And then the team when I
started going on the winning Street and now everybody says,
if you start the podcast back up, well, no one
will listen because they say the quitting of the podcast
is why the team started to win. I don't think
that's necessarily the case, but I do think what is

(42:18):
shaping up is a very interesting breakdown for the NFC Wildcard,
especially when you look at Tampa and Carolina having the
same record. That the way this will schedule. At the
start of the year, the NFC South was supposed to
be a one team, a one big league. They're not
supposed to have two teams in his thing. When the

(42:39):
Wildcard is all said and done, that's supposed to be
maybe from the East or from the West, something like that.
But between the Panthers the Buccaneers, and just those two teams,
but the Panthers and the Buccaneers, you might be looking
at two playoff teams.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, which is crazy. The NFC South has notoriously been
a void of.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Multiple talented teams for quite some time. But when you
look at the Carolina Panthers, I remember earlier in the
year I made comments like, it's early, it's too early
for them to be positioned in themselves for the first
pick in the draft, which it felt like, I don't
know what's happened.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
I think.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Carolina is in a precarious situation because the more they
win and the possibility of them.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Going to the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Now they play the Saints, they have the Bucks, the Seahawks,
and the Bucks again, they can win that division.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
The division is.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
Right there, and you have an injured Baker Mayfield right
now too. The problem is if you win the division,
it's the people who are there stay there. That is
a big problem for Carolina, namely at the quarterback position,
because now you have to make a decision on Bryce Young.

(44:20):
Do you sign him to a multi year deal paying
him upwards of thirty five forty forty five million.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Dollars a year.

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Are you put you put yourself in a position where
you won't have a high draft pick now and so
so now you have to really be like, okay, okay,
what are we doing are we? It's Bryce our guy?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Now?

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Bryce is your guy, and everybody's like, yes, we believe
in him. Then okay, but for my money, I'm not
quite sure you're ready to mortgage the next five years
on Bryce Young as your guy. Now he's resonated and
he's galvanized at locker room. Don't forget he was benched

(45:16):
and his position and his resilience coming back from that
is something to be said. But now you have to
make a decision. You're going to have to decide is
he the guy or not? Moving forward for at least
the next four or five years. This is a tough
situation to beat because if they do beat Tampa, they

(45:38):
split with Tampa, they're gonna beat the Saints. And now
you're looking at a situation where you're like, oh, all right,
there are ten wins. They may win the division, they
may get a playoff home game. I mean, that's a

(46:04):
dangerous place to be for them.

Speaker 3 (46:06):
The decision on real level of self assessment honesty.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
Yes, because as well said, okay, it's true the Carolina
Panthers right now seven and six. It's true, the Carolina
Panthers at the start of the day beat the team
that was in the one seed in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
All that is true.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
But it was a thirty one to twenty eight game,
and it gave you had to pick six to your point.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
But you gotta listen, look at this, Listen, this is
real man. You ever heard of survivor pools? Sure, survivor
pools are worth a lot of money. I'm talking about
ten thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars, depending on
how bag the survivor pool is.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
And if you're like the five people in the world
that don't know because everybody knows about the gambling stuff. Now,
at the start of the year, you have access to
every single team in the NFL. You pick one team
to win each week, and after you picked that team,
you can no longer pick that team again. If that
sounds easy, I challenge you to do it from now

(47:12):
until the end of the season, and you will find
just how hard it is to pick a single winner
every single week.

Speaker 4 (47:19):
The thing is, if you pick the wrong team and
your team loses, then you're eliminated, right, so it's literally
last man standing. My co host Mark Willard plays in
a couple of these survivor pools, and every week we
talk about how the Carolina Panthers have eliminated the field

(47:43):
in every Survivor pool. Oh yeah, because they started out abysmo.
But then you look and they've beaten the Cowboys, They've
beaten the that.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Was the Rico Da strap them up game. Then he
ran for like two hundred dge. You said they didn't
strap him up.

Speaker 4 (48:04):
They've beaten the Packers, right, the Falcons, the forty nine Ers, no,
excuse me, sorry, the uh let me see what we got,
the Bills. Nope, they lost to the Bills, lost the Bills.
They beat the Packers, They beat the Packers.

Speaker 7 (48:23):
They lost the Saints.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
They lost it, but lost to the same with everybody
losen to the Saints. I don't know what's going on
with with with New Orleans. They need some help. But
if you were to pick forty nine Ers today, uh,
if if you pick which everybody, which everybody probably would
have picked, if you picked the Rams today, then you're

(48:48):
out of the survival pool and you're angry because it's
coming down to the wire. They are a trap that's
been set and now number one, you will never feel
like you can pick them in the survival pool because
you don't know which team is gonna show up.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
I picked them to beat the Bells. Did you Buffalo
has trouble stopping the run? Yeah, Carolina runs the ball.
I thought it was elementary.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
They get their asses kicked handed to them, you know, like,
you know, it seems like to me. But then they
go out and then they beat the pants, I mean
to beat the pack, so it's like, okay, well all right.
Then they have the Saints the next week, so okay.
Then the Saints beat them, You're like, okay, wait, what's
going on here? Then they beat the Falcons and okay,

(49:36):
or are they good? Then the forty nine ers beat
them right like, and it's it's one of those situations
where you just don't know who this team is and
what they're doing. It's difficult to tell, and they are
the bane of a lot of people's existence in survival pools.

(49:57):
I don't know what team they is, and their current
record right now has them literally.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Vying for the division lead.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Ifrom I saw today, the Panthers are seven and oh
straight up as underdogs, so they were underdog in each
game that they have won.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
They were the underdog going into.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Like which let's talk about, right, the Panthers shouldn't be
favored over many teams, you know, But like when I
had picked the Panthers and the points against the Packers,
but it was more the Packers aren't this good. The
Packers can't be this much better? Right, right, right, that's
the math on it. It's like, no, because I'm of
the belief that there's no team in the NFL ten

(50:47):
points better every single week than another team.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
Right just by the way the whole thing is set up.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Now, maybe every so often you'll get a Max Brosmer
a sighting or Brosmer. I'm sorry if I miss announced
that. That's okay, I won't have to learn it. But you know,
like every once in a while you see one of
those and you're like, oh, we just have a non
NFL quarterback playing on the other side. That's why this
thing is going to be a twenty seven point blowout

(51:13):
right right. That the other team's literally not going to score,
right that rarely happens in the NFL. Now on the
Rams side of things, would you say this is a
blip or a trend.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
No.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
I really thought coming into this game the Rams are
world beaters. That defense of the young defensive line Matthew
Stafford received the ability to run the ball.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
I was like, oh, this is.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
I mean, I would have took the Panthers and the
points because that was a hefty points for it for them.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
And I know they fight hard. I didn't know why
the spread was the way.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
It was, but I surely expected the Rams to handle
their business as one of the top teams, if not
the top team in the NFC. Like, I really thought that, Okay,
the Rams are going to handle their business. I was

(52:14):
ten and a half. Right, that's a lot, man, that's
a lot. Now I've ten and a half.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Now. This is the thing that I find interesting is
I think that this was a I try to do
a better job of this. I really try to do
a much better job of this as somebody who's handicapping
these things. The Panthers defensive staff, a lot of that
defensive staff had connections to McVeigh Rightley, Jonathan Cooley's defensive

(52:47):
backs coach he coached defensive backs under McVay. Right, if ever, oh,
the defensive coordinator coach under McVay. I just wonder if
this was a scenario where they just knew what matt
Stafford and some mcvagh wanted to do, and that's how
you end up with Like, that's how you end up
with a guy who hasn't thrown an interception in a
month and a half with a pick six, right, because

(53:09):
it's just like, no, we just know what you're gonna
try to do, Like it will beat.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
You to your spot. Yeah, Matthew struggles today. It they
definitely had his number. They were well coached, they were prepared,
they were ready. It's very rare that you rush for
one hundred and fifty two yards, your quarterback throws for
almost two fifty and you lose a game. But you
throw those two interceptions in their one pick six and

(53:35):
you know, you look at Bryce did fifteen for twenty
two hundred and six yards three touchdowns. Where did this
come from? And you know, not only and what a
couple of weeks ago or last week or whatever he
threw for four hundred and something yard Like this is
I don't know who this guy is, and neither does
the Carolina brass upstairs. They have of real decisions to

(53:58):
make coming down the stretch about you know, the direction
that this organization is going to be and moving.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Forward, especially because you consider second half. For sure, I
think both in the fourth quarter, two fourth down touchdowns.
Now you say two oh six. Now you add these together,
seventy six of those two six. So the run game
was doing a lot of lifting here. Yeah, But Jalen
Cocher thirty three yards fourth down conversion for a touchdown,

(54:26):
and then Tech mcmellan, the rookie out of Arizona, caught
the forty three yard of that one that's ended up
stealing a game for Carolina.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
It's just.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
I don't know, man, I cannot. I cannot put a
bead on who Carolina is and who they will end
up being. So I mean, hell, they could win out
all right, Like we we could be sitting here the
last week of the season and like, oh my god, at.

Speaker 3 (54:55):
Least finished three and one.

Speaker 4 (54:58):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know, And I've given up
trying to analyze them and come up with any information
that would lead to someone picking them or not. I
stay away from them. But I would have took them

(55:18):
into points today. That's just ten and a half points.
Is it's crazy talk as hard as they play or
have played sometimes right, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So they say the season starts around Thanksgiving. That's when
you really need to start playing your best ball. I
know that this first year head coach would have taken
the stand things as they are right now, but even
he's got to be surprised about what nobody in the
world thought. We'd be looking at this on November thirtieth
and this would be what we see.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
We'll get to that in just a minute.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Martin Weis's Ephram Salaam, Sunday Night, Fox Sports Radio. Martin
Weiss Ephram Salaam, coming to you as the Thanksgiving how
they wraps up moving into Christmas.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
I hate to be a gridge, but I look at
the NFC standing z from right now. I rubbed my eyes.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I double check because right now I see the Chicago Bears.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
What the Chicago Bears? I say, who? Inform miss November
thirty at there first place in the NFC, I say who? Now?

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I did think that they were going to beat the Eagles,
but I thought that again, like we were talking about
last segment that was more of an indictment on the
Eagle than it was a clap in the right direction
for the Chicago Bears. But sitting atop this, I thought
going into this IT season was going to be a
two team race through the Packers and the Lions. Well,

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a third challenger has entered the chat. Not only had
they entered the chat, they look the best right now
of all three, maybe when you consider the other three
that are in competition for the division.

Speaker 4 (57:06):
I think, much to the surprise of everyone, the Ben
Johnson effect has been immediate.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Now.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Everything we got coming out of training camp early in
the year at the practices was they are not on
the same page, and shout out to them. They never
let that sidetrack them. Caleb Williams is playing tremendous football

(57:46):
right now. One thing he really doesn't do is he
really doesn't turn the ball over, which is one of
the number one things you need for your quarterback not
to do is to be careful with the ball.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
And so.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
I see them shocking a lot of people like with
with with the Rams lost today and the Bears win
on Friday on Black Friday, the power dynamic is shifting

(58:33):
in the NFC.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
Because they beat.

Speaker 4 (58:39):
The top of the food chain in terms of the
Eagles is as much malign as that Eagles locker room
is and and everything that's swirling around there. There were
the cream of the cross, the defending Super Bowl champions,
and they, you know, put foot to butt two. They
were physical, they were up to the challenge they with

(59:00):
the Cardiac Bears. But in that game they decided, hey,
it's our time, we're here, we belong. You better start
paying attention to us. And that's exactly what happened. You know,
twenty four fifteen on the road against the defending Super
Bowl champions. That's that's impressive. They ran for two hundred

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and eighty one yards.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
That's the one that's like, good lord man, okay, guys,
two eighty one yards against that Philly's front seven Jayalen
all the first round draft picks up this. Every time
they draft somebody from Georgia, they're like, they can't let
them get getting all pros. They're looking for another guy

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named Jalen to rush the passes. They can't find them,
and so to like I said, foot to but.

Speaker 4 (59:56):
To out physical one of the most physical team in
the NFC.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
I think is a statement win.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Now they've they've won a lot of games last second,
and Caleb Williams has been great in the fourth quarter,
putting drives together and getting victories. But they set out
on Black Friday to make a statement, and now the
world's listening.

Speaker 3 (01:00:22):
If you're not, it may be too late. It may
be too late.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
They have a huge game next week against the Packers
in Green Bay. Whether it's probably gonna be a little inclement,
but they're from Chicago. They're okay with inclement weather, right,
they better be. Then they have the Browns, the Packers again,
the Niners, and the Lions. I can't count them out

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of any of these games. I really can't. I just
I can't count them out of any of these games.
I know this Packer game is going to be monumental
because it's it's you know, we thought, like you said,
we thought the Lions in Green Bay will be battling

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it out for that division. That's not the case. It's
coming down to the to the Bears in the pack
and going on the road and beating green Bay in
Green Bay. It'd be huge in December, it'd be huge.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
It's big.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
You may remember Ben Jonson's opening press conference are one
of those around it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
He said, I really enjoy beating him at lafloora twice
a year. So we'll see if you were able to
cast that check in.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
We saw two records set today in the four o'clock
window of the NFL, both of them like damn, that's
impressive unless you're the Pittsburgh steel.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
Is like, why'd you do that? You should tackle somebody
coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
We'll get to that, but first let's kick it over
to Dan Byers updates on Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 6 (01:01:56):
Yeah, guys, a couple of records being broken. Also a
hand being broken today and that's one of Chargers quarterback
Justin Herbert.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
He had a break in the back of the hand
and I'm going to have a procedure done them.

Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
And I know at these these the stuff as they come.

Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
That was Chargers head coach Jim Harbaugh after they beat
the Raiders today thirty one to fourteen at the Sobering
News about Herbert, who told reporters he expects to play
in Week fourteen against the Eagles, that is on Monday
Night Football on Sunday Night Football right now. Commanders and
Broncos in a low scoring fair after Denver kicked a
couple of field goals from Will LUTs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
The Commander's answer Hurston Gold at the eight handle Rodriguez
tenness fo.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Touch down, touch down again, this is no Bit three.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
You can arrest up.

Speaker 4 (01:02:43):
You'll running the ball down there, Crol, you'll come with
the batter round Quintrica.

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
Yeah, Chris Rodriguez, the touchdown run on the Big one
hundred of the Commander's radio network. They're up on the
Broncos seven to six at the two minute warning. In
DC Bill stop the Steelers today, twenty six to seven.
Aaron Rodgers asked after the game if the team was
prepared for the game against Buffalo.

Speaker 8 (01:03:06):
I believe in the coaching staff. I believe in Mike
Thumlain's why I came here. And players need to take accountability,
my self included, and I will and I will continue to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
I got to play better.

Speaker 8 (01:03:14):
But there's eleven stars on offense, eleven on defense, plus
with the personnel groups that we run, and we're gonna
happen Monday to Saturday. We can be really proud of
our best Monday to Saturday and go out and play
our best game and take control of the Division.

Speaker 6 (01:03:28):
Seahawks are nine to three. They beat the Vikings today
twenty six to nothing. And other news on the gridiron
in the college game, you guys talked about it earlier.
Lane Kiffen leaving Ole Miss to be the head football
coach at LSU not the only coaching move today. Michigan
State fired Jonathan Smith after two seasons. In the Detroit
Free presses, they will hire former Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald

(01:03:49):
to lead the Spartans football program. John Summerross leaving Tulane
to coach at Florida, Auburn's hired South Florida as Alex
Goulish as their new head football coach. And in the NBA,
Peyton Pritchard forty two. Tonight, Celtics topped the Cavs one
seventeen to one to fifteen Jalen Johnson forty one for
the Hawks in a double overtime win against the Sixers
one forty two to one. Thirty six Knicks to care
the Raptors one sixteen to ninety four, and the thunder

(01:04:12):
are now twenty and one. They avenge their one loss
of the season, which was in Portland earlier this year,
they toped the Blazers tonight one twenty three to one,
fifteen guys, back to you, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
Can't believe we live in the world where Peyton Pritchrick's
going for forty.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
I know this is NFL Sunday, but that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That's nuts. Fire and wise ephis allat thanks Dan for that.
As we come to you from the box of sports
at radio Studios.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
So Dan touched on it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:36):
He actually plays with Aaron Rodgers sound from it, saying
players need to take accountability, adding because the Pittsburgh Steelers
have an opportunity to take control of the division. They
all were sitting around Thanksgiving table as they watched Doub
Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals beat the Baltimore Ravens pretty convincingly. Yeah,
and said, do you know what, we have an opportunity

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to do, an opportunity to go out there and to
take a stranglehold on this AFC North Baltimore has been
on this run. It was this five game win streak
for this Stealers started out one for the Baltimore Ravens,
started out won and five, finished six and five on
that run before they dropped to six and six. Buffalo
missing both tackles. We got TJ. Whill, we got Nate Herbig.

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We in good shape. No, we are not in good shape.
The Bills rushed in this game for two hundred and
forty nine yards, breaking the previous single game mark of
two thirty one, which was set by the Cleveland Browns
in twenty seventeen, which was a game that went to overtime,
And off the top of my head, I'm believing featured

(01:05:42):
Nick Chubb potentially, Like you know what I'm saying, It's
like this. I'm not saying that James Cook is not
a good back. I'm saying that James I think James
Cook is a very good player. But the idea that
James Cook was the running back one in a record
breaking rushing before Dormans is one that to me says

(01:06:02):
more about the opponent than anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Yeah, that was.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
This is the time of year where you must impose
your will, your offensive defensive line will dictate where you go,
and Buffalo down both tackles coming into a situation where
you know Pittsburgh's front seven was just licking their chops

(01:06:32):
to get after him. I'm in a little pick them
league with brian O, my old co host, and he
picked the Steelers. We picked three games every week against
the spread. Right now, I'm two and oh and I
picked the Broncos, so we'll see.

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
He's oh and three.

Speaker 4 (01:06:56):
He picked the Stealers, and I asked him why would
you pick the still and he said, well, they were
down both of their tackles, which I was like, okay, uh,
Buffalo was down both of their tackles, and so he
figured that, you know, they'd make it hell for Josh Allen,

(01:07:17):
and I just I wasn't sold. And they came out
and they dominated the Pittsburgh Steelers at home, and it's
it's not only embarrassing for the organization. Mike Tomlin is
a defensive specialist. The Steelers just haven't been stealing this year.

(01:07:48):
And I think you're at a situation now where your
division is so bad you can still win it. Like
it's so bad, you can still win this division.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
It's incredible how it seems like nobody wants to win
this They don't right, Like to me, I did not
feel this way going into the season.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
I figured that Pittsburgh would be ten and seven like
Pittsburgh's always is. But this ten and seven gotta win
the division. He's like, you can't after a while. Like,
I think that it is lame to bang on Mike
Tomlin because he has a winning record, right, Like, he's
never had a losing season. I think that that is
a criticism that is made only of the very good.

(01:08:39):
Do you know what I'm saying, Because it's like, yeah, sure,
Sean Payton's had losing seasons, but you know, but like
everybody's had a losing season, but like you know what,
they also have been fired. You know what I'm saying,
I had to leave their jobs right now. You can
argue maybe Tomlin should have been fired here or there
or whatever, but in order to make the dance, you
have to have double digit wins in the division whatever.

(01:09:01):
The Steelers were often than I have that, But the
way the Ravens fell off this year to start the season,
if Pittsburgh gets caught again with another second half collapse,
at a certain point in time, something's gotta change. And
I'm not I understand that Mike Tomlin would have a

(01:09:22):
job very quickly after leaving the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is
why I would suggest the Pittsburgh Deelers should attempt to
trade Mike Tomlin I would not fire Mike Tomlin. Well,
they don't ever fire coaches. They've never fired a coach.
They've only had three coaches in history, which is incredible
of the franchise. They don't fire coaches. I think last

(01:09:47):
year it was the first year, or maybe second year.
It's two years ago. They fired a coordinator in season,
Matt Canada. It was like the first time in at
least the Tomlin ara.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Yeah, he had done it, and he was sad to
do it, but he had to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
I don't know offensively who the Pittsburgh Steelers are, and
that's my problem. They're not a running team and they're
not a passing They will not pass the ball down
the field. Aaron Rodgers was ten for twenty one, one
hundred and seventeen yards. It's all quick, quick, five point

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six yards of pass.

Speaker 3 (01:10:21):
That's nothing.

Speaker 4 (01:10:21):
Year kids survive doing that with no running game. They
don't have a running game. Eighteen carries for fifty eight yards,
that's three point two yards to carry. You.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
Who are you offensively?

Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
When Pittsburgh has had their success this year, their defense
had been turning the other team over in a miraculous way.
If that's not the case, you find yourself getting hit
across the face twenty to six to seven at home
in a game that you need, and they're still not

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below five hundred, they're six and six.

Speaker 2 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I just I'm at a place where the Pittsburgh
I don't know how you get over the hump of
being just average because, like I put it, because they
are trending towards below. Oh yeah, because the team is old,
The team is expensive, Like it's not. I don't see

(01:11:28):
it getting any better. If you can't Tomlin voodoo magic
this thing up to be able to stay afloat atop
the AFC North, then I don't know what to tell you, right,
because at this point in time, you've cycled through a
million different quarterbacks, right, And you talk about you don't
know what the identity of the team is. Yeah, you

(01:11:49):
would think the identity of the team is supposed to
be Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
That is not the case. That's not the case.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
And I'm not trying to bang on him for the
playing with a broken left to today.

Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
Yeah, but this is not just today, this exact the
entire season exactly. A DK Metcalf is like, okay, I
don't get any passes down the field.

Speaker 3 (01:12:12):
Nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
This is what's wild, and I know they didn't necessarily
have the game that they have had continually throughout this year.
Jackson Smith and Jigba entering today led the league in
receiving yards. George Pickens entering today was second to the
league in receiving yards. DK Metcalf spoiler alert is neither

(01:12:34):
first nor second anything in receivers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
That they were.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
They said they moved off Seattle moved off of DK
Metcalf to feature jssent, and then Pittsburgh moved off of
George Pickens to feature DK Metcalf. And it's just one
of those is like, hmm, when you point at some
of these decisions that teams make, he just wonders, like,

(01:13:00):
was this the moment where you got fired? Was this
the moment where you got fired? Because I think this
might have been the moment where you got fired, and
it's not until that point I think today it may
not have been the it was the final nail in
the coffin, because the moment when this guy got fired

(01:13:21):
was the draft two years ago. But today you cannot
do today what happened and keep your job. By the
end of the year, I'm predicting right here that there
was a coach busy on Thanksgiving that will be home
by Christmas.

Speaker 3 (01:13:37):
Who is it? I'll tell you Coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
Martin Wis's e from Salam Fox Sports Radio. Martin Wise,
he from Salam coming to you live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios, was just talking to Ephim about I
got a new couch. It's amazing, it's amazing. No one
should have to watch football on an uncomfortable couch.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I agree, and.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
Raheem Morse likely will soon be watching football from his
very comfortable couch. I can't imagine he's got an uncomfortable
All the money that he's made coaching football, he's got
to have at least.

Speaker 3 (01:14:13):
One comfortable couch in the house.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
But I personally kind of thought that that regime was
over when they drafted Michael Pennix. Unless Michael Penix turned
into I don't know, Tom Brady.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
Well not even Tom Brady. It turned into Booniicks, it
turned into uh, Caleb Williams, I turned into Jaydon Daniels.
Are turned into right, like hell, even maybe a Stroud CJ. Stroud.
But like that's what it was gonna take.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Right if, in fact, Michael Penix looked like he had
any setback on the way to that. It can't work
because there'll be too many blowhards on the radio, like
me saying, well, why'd you sign Kirk Cusins three years
one hundred million dollars? If you can just draft the quarterback?
You don't have so much money. Everybody's got the same amount.
You See, that's the problem here. This isn't baseball, where

(01:15:05):
if I want to sign six first basement, it shouldn't
have any way impact on my ability to sign a
third basement. Right, That's not how this thing goes. But today,
losing to the Jets, I think with in theory, your
backup quarterback who could have been a starter, right, I

(01:15:27):
think that is one of those moments you'll look back
and say, yeah, I had a feeling after this one
that this thing might have been.

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
Over with, Like I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
I really do think that, especially the Jets, not being
the Jets are the team that, to say it politely
or figuring it out, trying to figure it out. Far
from figuring it out, the Jets are in their own category.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
I think.

Speaker 4 (01:15:56):
It's the anomaly category. It's similar to Cleveland, right are
I can't even say Tennessee because a couple of years
ago they were the number one seed in the AFC.
So it's it's one of those things where if it's

(01:16:17):
gonna go wrong, it's gonna go wrong for the Jets
or the Browns are like it. That just fits.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
It's like Murphy's Law at Murphy's Last all day Long
Jets version.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
And so.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
I mean, you rushed the ball for one hundred and
sixty seven yards, then you're the Falcons and you lose
the game to the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
That's not good. It's not good.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
And you know, speaking of Kirk Cousins, well he will
be your quarterback for the rest of this year and
next year. So you know, Michael Pennix is on his
third ACL tear problem me.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
From you only got two knees, yea, and each each
knee only has one a cl Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
Buddy, that's tough. It's tough. Tough situation six and the
last seven the Falcons tough. Yeah, it's been ugly. It's
been ugly. And once you start losing guys like in
the locker room.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
And stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:23):
Once once, once you can see the effort not being
what sure, then it's like, oh, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
You gotta.

Speaker 4 (01:17:32):
As a GM, you gotta really pay attention to that
because when you have a case in point, I thought
the Jets were wrong for firing Robert Sala because they
would fight, they would show up, and they lost a

(01:17:54):
lot of bad ways. But every week those guys would
come out and compete level was very high. They were
just a quarterback away. They still haven't found that quarterback.
Aaron Rodgers wasn't the answer, Tyrod Taylor or anyone else.
Justin fields, that is not the answer. But they competed

(01:18:17):
at a high level because they still bought into the coach.
So when you're having a skid like this, you gotta
watch how guys the body lane was on and off
the field, like you gotta start paying attention to that,
because that'll let you know if you've lost the locker

(01:18:41):
room and you need to make a change.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
That's very important.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Do you think that that's where the Falcons are at
this point? They just don't look to me.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Remember how good that offensive line, I mean that defensive
line was earlier in the year. Yeah, the young kids,
the two picks. It just it just didn't seem like
where are those guys now? So it's it's an effort
thing for me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
So and maybe it's not the coach, Maybe it's maybe
it's the the GM because they don't own their first
round pick that's going to Los Angeles.

Speaker 4 (01:19:18):
Well, the coach is the one that gets people prepared
to play. True, So the GM ain't got nothing to
do with that. The owner don't have nothing to do
with that. That is controlled by Raheem, the coaching staff.
If you still got if guys aren't bought in, if
they don't believe.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
That there's a reason.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Outside of just getting paid or contract year or something
like that, then look at case in point, look at
the Carolina Panthers. They believe right, they believe they gonna
go out there and they gonna play hard. There's a
bunch of misfits and you know also rans and guys.

(01:20:05):
People didn't want quarterback who's not quite sure if he's
a starter or not. But they are going to play
hard and now they're in position to win the very
same division we're talking about coming up next.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
A shake up at the top of a division. Two
teams that neither one of us expected to be here
at this time. We'll get to it next.

Speaker 3 (01:20:25):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
The introduction fitting because I am not a former NFL badass.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
I'm a civilian. I'm Martin Weiss.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
The NFL badass next to me's e from Salam and
he from If I had a fractured fibula, I'd be
in the hospital for months. Daniel Jones had to fractured
February and went fourteenth to twenty seven for two to
one and two touchdown passes. However, season low point total
for the Colts season our second lowest yards output for

(01:20:57):
the season, second only the last year Daniel Jones two
four eleven went under pressure. Sauce Gardner leaves the game
with a calf injury. Sauce says it's not an Achilles
Saw a video of Saw saying himself, it's not an Achilles,
just a strain.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
But again, all Achilles injuries starts somewhere right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
It's like a minor gunshot, wound, small fracture. It's all
minors of both those who aren't experiencing it right. And
then on the flip side, I think some of the
funniest clips of just reaction memes from the season have
been Liam Cohen reacting to some of the incomplete passes

(01:21:41):
of Trevor Lawrence has thrown, but they find themselves tied
right now top the AFC South and the Jacks have typebreaker.

Speaker 3 (01:21:52):
Yeah, I still don't trust the Jacks. I don't personally.

Speaker 4 (01:21:57):
I don't think Trevor Lawrence is the guy. I think
he has spot he's spotty. He looks good every now
and again. But the reality of it is, I mean
we've been waiting for five years now.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Every game if you watch Trevor Lawrence, like just focus
on his throws or go to all twenty two and
just watch it, he'll have five throws that are like, oh,
there's no quarterback better than him, and five throws that
say who's the backup?

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
And that's what you can't have. You can't build something
off of that level of inconsistency. But you know, speaking
of Daniel Jones and that Colts offense, that was, you know,
a powerhouse juggernaut. Don't sleep on the Houston Texan and

(01:22:47):
that that front seven A had, that front four, Danil
Hunter and Will Anderson, Oh my goodness, as Josh Allen,
those boys are are ferocious. They make it difficult for
you to run the ball. They take their Jonathan Taylor,

(01:23:10):
who's been a bell cow best back in the league
by far. They held him to eighty five yards on
twenty one carries. They took away the threat of the
play action, which made it really tough for Daniel Jones
to do his thing. Now, Daniel Jones is having a
phenomenal year. The Colts are having a tremendous year. But
the Texans are peaking their head around the corner and

(01:23:33):
trying to stay claim in that division. And it's going
to be interesting coming down the wire with all three
of those teams in position to.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Win the division.

Speaker 4 (01:23:48):
This is going to be this is when football is good,
and it's a couple of divisions like that to where
you don't know what's going to happen coming down the stretch.
They play the Colts again, the Texans play the Coats again,
and so we'll see the last That last game of
the year will be worth something, I can tell you that.

(01:24:11):
So it'll be interesting to see just what that looks like.
I mean, the Colts and the Jaguars, they split everybody
beating up on Tennessee, so they don't really you know,
they don't really count. But the Texans got one. They
beat the Colts today and they play them again last
game of the season, but next week they got a

(01:24:35):
tough game at the Chiefs. Then they have Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers,
and then end up with the Colts. So the Texans
can go in a little bit of a run here
and find themselves in position to to win that division
get a home playoff game. I will say again, the
first time I heard Will Anderson.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
Talk as it this season was after that Thursday night
football game, the Josh Allen eight sac masterpiece.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
And that's one of those guys that he's what they
talk about when it got like, oh he loves football, yeah,
oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Like he seems like when he wakes up in the morning,
he's brushing his teeth. He's like, oh, I cannot wait
to hit the other team's quarterback today.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Shiver. He's like, what can I do on first down
to get the third and long? Like you know what
I'm saying, Like it's a spin rip. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
He is one of those types of guys you gotta
be careful when you're using the platitudes about because they
sounded salty.

Speaker 3 (01:25:41):
Yeah, but he's a moobster. He's an animal.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
It's like, wait a minute, right exactly, And on the field,
not in reality exactly on the field, right, but h
to the point, this Texans defense, it is and has
been under Demiko Ryans ferocious. Yes, you get three wins
with your backup quarterback, and I feel like that is

(01:26:04):
the type of thing that can really galvanize a team,
because I mean, I just know when I'm sitting there
watching the game.

Speaker 3 (01:26:13):
Like when I saw Trey Lance come out there in
the second half.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
I had a moment of oh no, Like I'm not
a Chargers fan.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
Do you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
I don't have any vested interest in this thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
But it's just like, damn, if he's hurt, it's gonna
be a lot harder for them to get down what
they need to get done. You see teams like San
Francisco with their backup quarterback. You see teams like Houston
with their backup quarterback stringing together wins. Systems matter, man,
and get your matters. I get it's fun to do.

(01:26:45):
Should he be the starter? Shitt? I No, I'm definitely
not doing it. In Houston, Davis Mill starts sixteen games.
That's how they got seat right, right, right right. But
the fact being, when you have that moment of damn,
my quarterback is gonna miss a month. Now, what are
you Baltimore? Where you lose five games or four games

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in a row. Can you go two and two? Can
you go three and Oh?

Speaker 4 (01:27:11):
Well, that's what the the backup quarterbacks job is to
split however many however many games. Right your starter is out,
the backup quarterbacks job is to split those games. That's
the purpose. That's the point. Now it's icing on the cake.
If you can come out ahead. He missed five games,

(01:27:33):
you're three and two in those games. That's gravy. A
lot of quarterbacks have built careers off company. Oh you
have great systems. Remember Matt Flynn, Remember Jacoby Brissett did it?
Jimmy Garoppolo right, like Teddy Bridgewater, Teddy Bridge, brock Osweiler,

(01:27:54):
like guys have have made it, have gotten opportunities to
start after being backups and coming in and winning and
keeping a team on track is very important. It's probably
one of the most important ancillary positions that in a

(01:28:15):
swing tackle that can play both right and left tackle
on offense on the football field, especially offensively speaking.

Speaker 2 (01:28:22):
I would think that to me, backup quarterback and swing
tackle are in my top fifteen most important positions on
the football team.

Speaker 3 (01:28:31):
Yes, yeah, because it could go all bad. Not quite ten. Yeah,
I'll put it like this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
They're top fifteen, they're not quite ten, but neither one
of them is fifteenth, right, saying like, I'd rather have
a good swing tackle than like a good week side linebacker.

Speaker 3 (01:28:47):
Yeah, and my swing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Tackle is never gonna see the field unless things are
going badly, something awful happens.

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
I will scheme around Kenneth Murray.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
You know what I'm saying, Right, I'll figure that one out,
you know what I mean, I can go Maybe I
could try for Logan Wilson, But if I don't have
somebody to block these monsters in front of me, very
few teams have two left tackles on the roster.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
I'm telling you, man, it's a hard position to find. Yeah,
it is a tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:29:14):
And it's like that's why obviously, when you get one,
you hold on to them like you can. But you
would have thought the Colts make this move for Sauce Gardener.

Speaker 3 (01:29:23):
And I know that Daniel Jones has a broken fibula.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
And again I've said this already, this is the type
of thing that would have me a simple mortal man,
you know, in the hospital for months, right.

Speaker 4 (01:29:34):
Curled up on your brand new couch, which you're blanky.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
There's no way I'd get up. You want me to
do a radio show, you need to bring it here.
I need to do it here, guys, I need to
do it here, brand new couch. I'm just me and
the couch. So I don't think that the last two games,
if you make the trade for sauce gardener, like you do,
you think you have your quarterback in house. Yes, I
don't think the last two games are surely changed. He's

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that opinion of Daniel Jones. However, I do think it
may have changed some of the money he might have
come coming to his wife.

Speaker 4 (01:30:05):
Well, it depends on how they finish up, because we
saw this happen last year.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
With Sam Darnold. They were on a bender.

Speaker 4 (01:30:13):
I'm talking about a tear, and it came down to
the last two games, which cost him about one hundred
million dollars, right, even though he did sign a three year,
one hundred plus million dollar deal with Seattle. If he
gets the number one seed and then wins that play
that playoff game and plays well, then he's looking at
two hundred million dollars deal somewhere five year, two hundred

(01:30:33):
million dollars or something like that. But it didn't happen
like that. And so you know, Daniel Jones has to
be aware that they're still in position, and he's still
in position to extend his life or his career all starter,
his football life as a as a starter. It's very

(01:30:55):
important that he's mindful of that because people will quickly
be like, oh, nah, that's the Daniel we know. I mean,
and he's been scorching earth though. That dude has been
on fire this year.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
To take it to the point, you just brought it up,
Sam Donald, he has four interceptions against the Rams. You
got linebackers coming out saying, no, essent.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Our guy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
We're a good guy, because they know as soon as
he throws four, three or seven in a game, it's like, oh,
it's Sam saying goes.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
And they would say they were right there.

Speaker 4 (01:31:26):
I mean, look, it's something about a guy in the
locker room that everybody believes in no matter the UPSTI downs,
nobody's perfect. You know, all time great running backs fumble,
all time great receivers drop passes. It's if guys in
the locker room. Don't care about that, because everybody makes mistakes.

(01:31:47):
Guys in the locker room care about how you lead,
will they will they run through a brick wall for you.
That's what they care about. How do you respond? How
do you?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
How do you when when the chips are down? You
know what I'm saying, What are you? What are you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
Yes? So we just had a little bit of a
trickeration from the Denver Broncos. Don't do that. Just hand
the ball off of though it just and the round.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Turned to reverse turn into a pitch back to bow Knicks,
which netted Denver a single solitary yard.

Speaker 3 (01:32:22):
Second and one. Just get the first down and now
it's third and one. But here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
We all saw Ephraim in this game, saw a catch
that has the Internet of blade. Oh it is bringing
back memories of another prime time catch. The names in
this will not necessarily as famous, but to play very impressive.
It's tough being a cornerback with the last name Moss,
because every time something happens, they're gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:32:45):
Be like, oh, you got most that's not a smart play.

Speaker 2 (01:32:48):
We're gonna look in sounn eye football in just a
minute Bow Knicks and the Broncos surviving that pass attempt.
We'll dive into this game coming up next. Barn Weiss,
ephra Salam Fox Sports Radio Martin Ephraim Salam here on
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(01:33:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
Just search Fox Sports Radio where ever gets your podcast.
You'll find today's full show posted right after we get
off the air. You know, Ephim, it's interesting going into
the Christmas holiday season, right because you end up hearing
a lot of the same songs, like that was Just
Christmas by Donnie Hathaway. No, right, so it's like that
song came out at least forty years ago, do you

(01:33:43):
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (01:33:44):
But you still play it and you see all the
same stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:33:47):
That Corona commercial that just aired, it's a guy whistling,
Oh Christmas Tree.

Speaker 3 (01:33:52):
Oh Christmas Tree. It's twenty seconds long.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
It's a kind of a hut on the beach and
then the palm tree lights up. That commercial has been
on for at least twenty seven years. You know how
I know. I got in the most trouble I ever
got in when I was in like eight years old,
and I got out of getting yelled at by my
mom and dad and I walked out and that commercial
was on TV.

Speaker 3 (01:34:16):
This how old? This was?

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
This goes That commercial was on TV on v H one,
which was playing the MC hammer Story.

Speaker 3 (01:34:23):
Oh my god, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:34:25):
Just sentence that if you're over thirty you understand if
you're under like, what is TV used to do stuff
like that? Like show programs? You know what I'm saying.
It's like used to flip channels and watch.

Speaker 3 (01:34:36):
Commercial Hammer Story. Yeah, it just come out. It was
new to me. Can't touch this. I was like, why
didn't everybody like too pumps in a bump? I don't
get it. What was the beef? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Trey Lin burks at one of those moments where, because
we do this other time sitting here watching games on
the air, you're normally not talking about the that's on
the air because they have played by play for that.
We're talking about something else. But every so often you'll
see the game happen, and you'll like, my jaw dropped.

(01:35:12):
It's like, did he just catch that?

Speaker 3 (01:35:14):
Yes? He did? Trailing Burks.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
The only words I think you can usually describe it
as obj esque.

Speaker 4 (01:35:21):
Yeah, it was an amazing touchdown, grab tight coverage. He
extended all the way back one hand, never touched it
with the with the left hand, and pulled it in.
It was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
Over Riley Moss, who is the much maligned defensive back
for the Denver Broncos, He's got the unenvious assignment of
having Patrick's Artan be the cornerback, be his teammate.

Speaker 3 (01:35:47):
So like, it's all coming to you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
He gets so much more work than he's supposed to
get coming you wait, he gets so much. You know,
I'm gonna ask Carry Roose about that one day. You'll wait,
because he played with Daryl Reeves, right, so I bet
it was. So do you know what I'm saying? It's like,
what's that like?

Speaker 3 (01:36:03):
You to go? What is that like?

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
Because you know, of the twenty seven completions of in
a game, twenty four of them are going to be
made on your side of the field. And hang on there,
good luck, buddy, You're hanging on there for dear life.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
But so far in this matchup.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I know that the Lakers are playing as well, but
so far this in this Broncos Commanders game, I think
you see kind of Sean Payton and what we were
talking about earlier about this Broncos team.

Speaker 3 (01:36:31):
He's not in love with this offense.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
And I think you see it as some of the
play calling and some of the run, the way that
he calls the run versus the way that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
He calls the pass.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
I think you see that he knows he's got bow
Knicks as his quarterback and not Drew Brees, no matter
what he says postgame or on Wednesday in this press conference.

Speaker 4 (01:36:48):
Yeah, I don't think anybody has Drew Brees a quarterback.
You gotta remember it took Tom Brady to play forever
to break Drew Brees's passing records. I mean, you want
to talk about a prolific pass of the football, there
are very few. There are no Drew Breeses out there.
His size, his stature, the way he could spin the

(01:37:09):
ball there. You know, So if you're expecting another Drew
Brees as a head coach, and you know, knowing Champagne
and I know that's not the case. I just know
he wants to maximize whatever bo Knicks can be, wants
to give him an opportunity to be as great as

(01:37:29):
he can be based on his skill set and how
he's able to perform. But there's no Drew Brees lurking
in the woods getting ready to pop out nowhere. You
want to talk about spin that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Listen, And honestly, even to the end when he could
only really throw like thirty yards in the air, I
was the decision.

Speaker 4 (01:37:56):
I think Drew Brees made more sixth seventh round undrafted
free agent receivers viable than any other quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
That's real. Now you have me thinking that sound you
hear the wheels turning to your point. Jimmy Graham was
an undrafted free agent.

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
Marcus Colston was the last player ever drafted from Hofstra University.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
How you like that seventh rounded Who else was it?
Who else was it? I don't. I'll go with it.
Just I'm telling you, man, he it was just he
you were.

Speaker 4 (01:38:34):
He put the ball exactly where it needed to be,
so it make it It made it easy for you
to do what you're supposed to do.

Speaker 3 (01:38:41):
And I think the running route, the ball will be there.
That was it? That was it?

Speaker 2 (01:38:45):
Yeah, Actually I heard RG three say something about that
on the Herd.

Speaker 3 (01:38:49):
The point that he.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Made was some of Kleb Williams and his accuracy. RG
three said, accuracy is a myth. Well RG three wasn't
very accurate. Listen, so hey, I try not to shoot
the messenger and moments such as that because.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
You also have to be mindful where the message is
coming from.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
But if I was, because if I can't message at all,
then you know, shooting the messenger. But the point that
he made was like, sometimes the safety will be in front.
You got throught the ball a little behind. Sometimes it's gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
Be Yeah, but accurate throw, but I based on where
the defender is.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
I think to your point, like the point that you're
making is like, accuracy is about putting the ball exactly
where it's supposed to be right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:29):
It's not necessarily a.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Like you can look at the fundamentals of a quarterback
and be like, there's a checklist of where things are
supposed to be. Like sometimes accuracy to me seems like
more of a feel. Is that fair what you say?
It's the fair assessment of of the concept or though.

Speaker 4 (01:39:46):
No, because it it has to be. Chemistry is a
real thing between receivers and quarterbacks. Sure, that's why they
always talk about it, right, Well, they haven't had a
chance to work together. So all of that. The chemistry

(01:40:08):
you have with your quarterback, that's what determines how accurate
you're gonna be. If I know before my receiver comes
out of the break, I can let this ball go
and he's gonna come out of the break exactly where
he needs to be, that's a level of trust that
is unbelievable for a quarterback and a receiver or a

(01:40:30):
tight end or anybody like that. And you must be
accurate as a passer. It's not overrated. And any passer
telling you that that's the case the probably didn't have
the house, probably didn't have a prolific passing career at quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:40:49):
Now, I just want to ask you this because I
saw this happen twice today. And again, I didn't watch
every single snap of every single game, but I saw
it happen at least twice, and this happened a little
bit more and more. Jalen Hirsch and the Eagles got
stopped on the twist push on the black Friday right
fumble the.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
Ball in the top called for progress.

Speaker 2 (01:41:08):
So the change that we saw a lot of teams
implement is like, okay, well we'll have our tight end
take the snap and run the twist push that way.

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
So two different tight ends fumble the snap today. Is
this to me?

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
It just feels to me, this is just big brain NFL.
I watched Dom Brady run his sneak just fine with
no help for years, manning so on and so forth.
To the quarterback sneak was something that existed for years.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
It was just fine. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
You had guys that were good at it and some
guys that weren't so good at it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:41):
But like it was for.

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Sure a skill to find which a gap was gonna
be a little softer, yes, and fall into that one and.

Speaker 3 (01:41:51):
Sometimes even wiggle up a bit until nobody touches you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
But now, and the infinite wisdom of NFL play callers
and installers, they said, let's hand the ball to the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:42:02):
Who we don't even throw the ball to all the time.
Like I'm not. It's one thing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:07):
If it's a running back catching a direction snap, I
can understand that a little bit more right, he's a
player who participates in ball handling, play action, fakes, so
on and so forth. A tight end is blocking half
the time. I just don't know how where's the advantage,
where's the win?

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Sometimes you can overthink, I'll coach yourself. Sometimes you can
be too creative, That's what I'm saying. That's just like
galaxy brain thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:42:44):
Is that just like, well, if the Eagles can do
it and they're unstoppable, then maybe we can do it too.

Speaker 3 (01:42:49):
And it's like, well, do they have what you have?
Do you have what they got? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
I think we'll see, we'll see, We'll see that tush
push officiated different coming up because it's a situation where
people are realizing that number one, they're false starting every

(01:43:18):
time the guard to leave before the ball leaves. Sure,
and so I think now, because we have the camera
angles we have, they're gonna start to officiate that different
They won't ban it, but they're going to start to
officiate it differently.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
I love the fact that they're calling fall starts on
it the second one. And again, I look at football
academically physically, never did it myself academically. The concept of
forward progress being stopped. I cannot stand it. What does
that even mean?

Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
Like, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Understand how Now, It's one thing if you want to say, okay,
the impact from the tackle has driven a player back
five yards, and you don't want guys picking guys.

Speaker 3 (01:44:03):
Up and throwing them backwards five yards.

Speaker 2 (01:44:06):
However, to me, if we're gonna call forward progress being stopped,
then we should probably call forward's progress being stopped the
moment contact is made with the defender, because it's all
about not It's all about that defender not dragging this
guy backwards, right, It's all about this defender not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:25):
So what do you mean you could go forward and try.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
To gain another yard? No, no, no, no, no, we'll stop
it right here. We'll stop it right here. That right
there with dead the whole touch push, because they ran
a touch push today. You can't tell him that's the
first down. You can't see what the ball is see,
and to me, that's another one. That's another thing they
could do. We are not able to correctly ascertain where
the ball is because we can't see it. It's surrounded

(01:44:48):
by too many people, and everybody in the NFL will
be like, oh, I can't believe do that.

Speaker 3 (01:44:53):
Do that?

Speaker 2 (01:44:53):
And I bet you Nick Sireann, he goes to shave
his head again. Let's kick it over to Steve the
Seger fresh from the charger.

Speaker 3 (01:44:59):
Steve, how are you? How are you doing? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:45:01):
Thank you? And if the NFL, like World Cup soccer,
just put some sort of censor in the ball, it
would answer all of these questions. Soccer can answer whether
the ball goes over the goal line specifically because they've
used the technology that's available.

Speaker 3 (01:45:16):
You know, they put the chip in the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:45:18):
But today I heard I think it was Tony Romo
or probably not tell Jim Nance say they can use
the hawkeye thing to measure the distance from a first down,
but cannot use it to measure the spot of the ball.

Speaker 7 (01:45:32):
No, it's still human with the spot, which is like
what And as far as the push, I mean, even
the Eagles aren't quite the same with a different offensive
line in a lot of games this year. On that,
but I can recall Philip Rivers, a six foot five
quarterback to thirty two hundred and forty pounds, would refuse
to sneak probably his last ten years in the league.

(01:45:53):
No quarterback sneak. And I did hear the reference of
Hofstra if this was Jason Smith on a weeknight, you
would immediately get Quebette New York jecho, ure there you go.
Did you see people? This Traylon Burks touchdown pass? Unbelievable, astounding?
You are right, Objesq reaching back with one arm out stretched,

(01:46:15):
one handed catch his first touchdown catch in the league
in three years.

Speaker 2 (01:46:20):
I was about to say, I didn't want to be
I didn't want to be disrespectful.

Speaker 7 (01:46:24):
You used to be with the Titans.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
But I'm like, that might be trailing Burks' fourth career touchdown,
our fifth career touchdown.

Speaker 7 (01:46:29):
Ever, apparently it was second career touchdown catch.

Speaker 3 (01:46:32):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:46:33):
Okay, so and the man himself, Odell Beckham, seeing that,
did tweet out thirteen thirteen, their two numbers and snag
and we had a lot of football to discuss. Can
I just mention that the Lakers scored forty six in
the first quarter tonight against New Orleans, not just they're
high for any of this season, top five for any

(01:46:53):
Laker first quarter ever franchise history. We still have two
minutes to go till halftime. It's seventy four forty Lakers
over New Orleans, which apparently will be three and eighteen
after tonight Luka Donsich with twenty one points, seven rebound,
six assists, only one turnover in the first half and
Lebron James is out tonight, sitting out due to the

(01:47:14):
foot injury. Injury management end quote. They have ended the
third quarter of the Sunday Night NFL game at Washington
and the Broncos are leading the Commanders twenty to fourteen.
Bo Nicks with a touchdown pass of eleven yards late
first half to Courtland Sutton, who's only been targeted three
times but as three catches fifty four yards and the TD.
The Burks touchdown was early third quarter for a brief

(01:47:36):
Commander's lead of fourteen to thirteen. Since then, the Broncos
have answered with about a six minute touchdown drive eleven
plays seventy two yards.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
RJ.

Speaker 7 (01:47:45):
Harvey a one yard TD, and Denver's up twenty to
fourteen to start the fourth quarter. Harvey ten carries just
twenty eight yards but the one TD, Marcus Mariota one touchdown,
one interception For a Commander's team that's lost six in
a row, Denver currently has won eight straight. The Chargers
in LA beat the Raiders thirty one to fourteen. Raiders
have lost six straight. Their two to ten LA quarterback

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Justin Herbert played through a broken left handy left surgery.
On Monday, Buffalo won at Pittsburgh twenty six to seven.
Seattle over Minnesota twenty six to nothing. The Vikings fall
to four and eight. They had to use Max Brosmer
at quarterback today as JJ McCarthy's in concussion protocol. Brozmer
was sacked four times through four interceptions, including a pick six.

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Not a good day for Matthew Stafford, three turnovers including
a pick six and a late fumble, and the Rams
six game winning streak is over Carolina at home beat
the Rams thirty one twenty eight, and that loss moved
Chicago at nine to three into the one seed. Road
wins for Houston and San Francisco Jacksonville as well home
wins for Miami, Tampa Bay and the Jets, who beat

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Atlanta twenty seven to twenty four on a fifty six
yard field goal on the final play. Coach Lane Kiffin
left Ole miss for LSU and a seven year deal
news diference. Monday, Mississippi's defensive coordinator Pete Golding was promoted
to head coach Florida hired Tulanes coach John Sumrall, who
will stay with his current team through at a playoff.

(01:49:10):
Michigan State fired coach Jonathan Smith. New Mexico gave coach
Jason Eck an extension. Auburn's new coach is Alex Golish
from South Florida, and Arkansas's new coach is Ryan Silverfield.
For Memphis, yes the regular season ended yesterday for most
teams by the way, Texas A and M after the
Friday loss, fell to number seven in the New AP
Poll in the NBA. Atlanta in double overtime win at

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Philadelphia one forty two, one thirty four, Jalen Johnson forty
one points. Tyrese Maxey had forty four in the loss.
Joel emb did play at eighteen points in defeat after
missing nine games with a sortnee fourth quarter Underway Denver
twenty Washington fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:49:48):
Back to you, Steve, did you catch Mark Stoops on
the way out the door?

Speaker 7 (01:49:54):
The Kentucky guy who signed through what twenty fifty Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:49:57):
Thirty seven million dollars buyout. I'm old enough to remember
thirty one. Just for the record, it just seems like, okay,
he's been there thirteen years.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
So yes, yes, thirteen seasons.

Speaker 2 (01:50:09):
I'm looking at this report for front Off of Sports
that says you got to buy it over thirty seven million.
I gonna argue it's plus thirty million whatever it's gonna be.

Speaker 7 (01:50:17):
By the way, this new Florida guy is a former
Kentucky assistant John Sumroll.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
But I'm just I'm old enough to remember. I had
to look this up. Remember when Jimbo Fisher was let go.
We were here. It was me and VJ and you
enormous by it, and it was all about Texas A
and m Do they get Mike Yoko or Mark Stoops?

Speaker 3 (01:50:40):
And Mark Stoops tweeted out.

Speaker 2 (01:50:41):
He says, I was contacted for a potential opportunity this weekend,
but after celebrating a big win against our rivals, I
knew in my heart I couldn't leave.

Speaker 7 (01:50:53):
And then he was asked about are you stepping down yesterday?
He said one hundred percent no. But how things changed
quickly College athletics.

Speaker 2 (01:51:01):
I mean, and I know, look, I get that it's
it's very and I'm not even saying you shouldn't be
banging on Lane Kiffin for the lane Kiffin has handled
this terribly again however, right again, right, no surprise there.
The Lane Kiffin would would would maneuver a coaching a
job situation without necessarily the most class are the best

(01:51:25):
way about it.

Speaker 7 (01:51:25):
Pretty soon there will be fifteen SEC schools completely and
totally mad at him.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
But like, how do you imagine if Lane kifn didn't
take this LSU job and all miss loses six games
next year?

Speaker 3 (01:51:40):
And you know what I'm saying, like like.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Texas Mike's Mark Stoops was right, Texas A and m
is what lost one game on the year, two games
on the year, and they have a great fan base,
all the money, all all the money in the world
to put behind their football program. You can't tell me
that sitting today, Mark Stoops is looking at the mirror
like damn, I should be in college station.

Speaker 7 (01:52:04):
I think all of this, and I agree with the
earlier comment that it's just the whole schedule of college
football that a guy can take another job in the
middle of the season when they've worked, I mean, they
as a team have worked to get this point. When
has Mississippi ever done this what they've done this year
quite literally number and you know this is potentially blowing
it up. I say potentially, because we haven't seen them

(01:52:25):
on the field without the head coach. Stay tuned, we'll
have a playoff I assume at Mississippi. Right, we'll find out.
But it's just another example of college athletics being rudderless.
There is no leader, there's no there. There there's an
NCAA office, but nobody's actually in charge, especially when it
comes to football.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
They're very toothless. And yo, hell, Michigan won a national championship,
went undefeated. The coach only coach fifteen games. Hardball only
got eleven of them, twelve of them, you know, sir
On Moore excepting and got some of those wins too.

Speaker 3 (01:52:59):
So maybe the.

Speaker 7 (01:53:00):
NFL there's a central office and these are the weeks
you can have interviews, and these are the playoff team's
assistants you can talk to, and this is when and
it's just still at all levels, the wild wild West.

Speaker 3 (01:53:12):
Do you know what else this would do?

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
If you did it this way, with the way that
we both agree is should be done.

Speaker 3 (01:53:18):
There should be a.

Speaker 9 (01:53:19):
Schedule, a hiring and firing caio, just like a transfer,
very much like.

Speaker 3 (01:53:23):
In the NFL.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
Right, because before remember in the NFL, if you were
interviewing a playoff coach, you had to do it that week,
and all the NFL said.

Speaker 7 (01:53:31):
No, right, because he's still working, he's still with his playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
We're not doing that anymore. NFL said, we're not doing
it in that way anymore. And I'm I understand that
there is probably some backchannel text messages sent here and
there and there, but you know what, there's not a
fifteen hour interview that somebody had to fly across the
country to go sit for in the midst of preparing
for a playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:53:51):
But you know what it would do.

Speaker 2 (01:53:52):
Brian Kelly probably wouldn't gotten fired until today, you know
what I'm saying. So, and I'm not saying that Brian
Kelly should have kept his I'm I'll leave that out
of it. What I am saying is, you had all
these kids who got recruited to this school, and it's
more transactional one year by year than ever. If all
these kids who said I want to play for Brian
Kelly this year and they only get to do it

(01:54:13):
for what six weeks? Seven weeks, yeah, it's.

Speaker 7 (01:54:19):
Not the same as saying, well, I think of all
those Raiders offensive players that thought they were going to
be playing for Chip Kelly.

Speaker 3 (01:54:25):
For No, it's not quite the same, not quite the same.

Speaker 7 (01:54:28):
My field goal of Washington Broncos up twenty to seventeen
at Washington early for.

Speaker 3 (01:54:33):
That's after a bow Nick's interception. To Bobby Wagner, you
want to talk about still in the league?

Speaker 7 (01:54:37):
Still good?

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
I said it a minute ago, I said Mary Yoda
to Arth. That's an old sentence, add Bobby wager In, there's.

Speaker 7 (01:54:43):
A very very old still their leading tackler.

Speaker 2 (01:54:46):
You know, you gotta love it, guys still being able
to go ahead and get after it. Coming up next,
this team has added talking about still in the league.
They've added older players are trying to fix some of
this drama now.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
That they've dropped a few. I don't think that there.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
Is a fix. I'll get Ephraim's opinion on it. Coming
to next. Martin Wis, Ephram Salam Fox Sports Radio. Alright,
from the Fox Sports Radio Studios on a Sunday night,
Martin Wise and Ephraim Salaam. Bo Knicks just took a
third down sack. The Broncos punted back to the Commanders,
Washington still trailing Denver twenty to seventeen, But uh, I

(01:55:29):
want to go back.

Speaker 3 (01:55:30):
To Black Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
If I may, with you, Ephraim, because I always find
myself and I'm in this position kind of blessed because
I didn't play and you did.

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
You're there, you lived it. I play like it on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
So I enjoy kind of asking you these questions in
almost an interview way, because when I hear Nick Yearanni
say the club will quote evaluate everything? Do they lose
twenty four to fifteen to the Chicago Bears, I said, okay,
that makes sense, right. I like that I will evaluate

(01:56:07):
everything then see from the problem with these press conferences
are all recorded, and if you watch a little while longer,
you'll hear Nick Sirianni say we're not changing the play caller.
If I thought it was one thing, i'd make those changes.
Obviously it's a lot of different things. But I don't
think it's Kevin. Now I understand why most reporters don't

(01:56:29):
do this, and I wouldn't either if I was there.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Just full disclosure.

Speaker 2 (01:56:34):
But the real jack hole part of me wants to say, okay,
so you gotta evaluate everything except for Kevin Patulo, because
you just said you don't think it's him.

Speaker 3 (01:56:45):
How much of everything are we evaluating?

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
And I bet you if you had asked him, do
you think it's the quarterback and be like, we're not gonna,
We're not evaluating the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
You know what I'm saying, We're not gonna, We're not
We're not even So what exactly are we evaluating here?
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
I think I think I think it just be a
whole bunch of bluster, a whole bunch of stuff. I
have to say because I'm not Marshall Lynch, and I
won't just say I'm just here so I won't get fine,
But I gotta say something because I offense has to
score fifteen points or more than fifteen points, and damn
near a month it feels like we keep winning, but

(01:57:18):
now we're losing. So just from this point, I wonder
where did the Eagles go from here?

Speaker 4 (01:57:27):
I think they have an identity crisis. And what I
mean by that is they had a formula and a recipe.
Now last year it was going to be hard to duplicate.
It's hard to play that well, run the ball like

(01:57:51):
they ran the ball and duplicate that the next year.
It's just it's almost impossible.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
To do, I think without especially when you're bringing back
a lot of the same guys, right, it's just the
way it's tear on the body.

Speaker 4 (01:58:07):
I think the difference is their commitment to running the
ball has changed. I mean, say Kwon Barkley had thirteen carries,
it's almost four and a half yards of carry. Your

(01:58:28):
commitment level to him last year was he's the guy.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
And what's interesting to that point, they've also traded for
Tank Bigsby, They've signed AJ Dillon like that.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
But what happens is when you got the locker room
saying other things, it affects it right, like you've got
a disgruntle receiver. The games they've force fed him, they've lost.
Just FYI, they've lost. And so if you're if you

(01:59:04):
don't have an identity and you're trying or you do
have an identity and you're trying to be someone else,
every freshman who goes to college wants to reinvent themselves
right and find themselves. I'm not being true to who
I am, and so until they can be true for
the who they are, then things are going to look

(01:59:24):
like this. And I think trying to placate one person
on a team is the opposite way of trying to
find or getting yourself back to who you are.

Speaker 2 (01:59:36):
I can't believe they did in trade them at the deadline.
I can't believe they in trade you and me, brother.
It just from a a a use of resources aspect. Right,
you got a guy that could command like aj Brown
on the open market with command a ton, and you
got a number one receiver, right, Davontae Smith, especially the

(01:59:58):
way that you run offense. Davontae's Smith that could be
a number one in that offense. Never heard a word
from Davante. You know what's interesting, he says a lot
of the same stuff, is that it just doesn't get
the same like A J says, it was such that
it comes out a lot more well. But coming up next,
two guys, a lot of Chris Plank and Ardie Spaniard.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
We're out.

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