Martin Weiss & Zach Harper React to Shedeur's Plummet to Cleveland, Untangle the NBA Playoffs & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
That's right. We're coming to you live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios. As we watch Jimmy Butler saunter in
to the game Golden State versus the Houston Game three
coming up. Jimmy Butler with a very nice fur coat
on as he was walking. I was more concerned, honestly,
Zach Harper on Martin Weiss with the way Jimmy Butler
was walking. Looked walking pretty good for a guy who

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has a essentially a massive butt. Bruce.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
This is the thing I don't understand. And look, I
get it. The pelvis has a backside. If you fall
on your butt, the Warriors will call it a pelvit contusion.
M hm, he fell on his butt. He's got a butt, Bruce,
got a butt. He's got a butt, Bruce. He's not
playing it. I don't think not playing tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Ruled out of belief. Ruled out believe. Okay, he was
walking pretty good just now, sure, but that's not playing
NBA basketball. But is he gonna sit? Where's he gonna
stand and watch the game? You know? See, that's why
you bring zachl exactly because that is the type of
NBA analysis That to world right there, that's journalism, baby.
The clear sign if Jimmy is standing.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
This is will have This is eighteen years of doing
this right here, So.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
All right now, the Clippers trailing the Nuggets with a
seventy six to sixty one lead in the third quarter,
as that's winding down here, this to me has been
the best series thus far in the postseason. What say you?
I agree?

Speaker 3 (01:28):
I mean Game three was bad, right for the Nuggets,
they got smacked around, But the first two games were
so good. I think you can kind of excuse that
Lakers Wolves has been really good, Pistons Knicks has been
really interesting, really good. But to me, this one is
also the most interesting because I think these two teams
with the Clippers and the Nuggets, the Clippers are sneaky, dangerous.

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Oh yeah, everybody else in the West like this is
a team where and I've said this for a couple
of years now, I believe Kawhi Leonards season should start
January first.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I mean, it's hard to argue when you look at
so how long he's able to play at a high level.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, and it started on January fourth this year. That
was his first game and so I like, we're seeing
it kind of right on time here and then as
much of a mess as Denver has been and you know,
firing their coach with three games left, they still got
that big dude, that big Serbian guy, and he can
he can change everything, and so I think they can
throw a huge wrench in there. But if Denver continues

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to win this game and they go on and even
this up, we now have a three game series with
two of those in Denver.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
So we will keep an eye on all the postseason
NBA games going on, NHL postseason also and swing. But
if you've missed any of the postseason action, I understand
because I've long since held the opinion that the NFL
Draft could have been an email, right, like in terms
of TV shows, that could have been an email. But
we actually had some drama in this year's NFL draft,

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starting from the first round, continue into the second round,
and then again into the third round, and then again
to the fourth round. It's like, wait a minute, it's ridiculous.
So we saw Shador Sanders, who by all intents and purposes,
was mocked to first round teams. Everywhere you look at
your numerous big boards across the board. A lot of

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people had him in your thirtieth to sixtieth best prospect.
But there are so many different angles to go down
as to what exactly happened with this NFL draft and
Shador Sanders, who is now going to be at Cleveland Brown,
which was predicted by many. It's just one hundred and
forty two picks after people thought it could have potentially

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occurred on first glance. As because you just got drafted today,
we're some of the first people to talk about where
he's actually going to be. What do you think happened?

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Look, there's so many different theories, and I get it.
Like some people think they're sticking it to Dion, They're
sticking it to the whole situation, the family. Some people
think it's race involved. Some people think he's just not good.
I think it's the draft process approach. I think there
You know, the NFL is very much you got to
play our game, right like you have to play a game.

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You gotta play about our rules. And I think the
fact that they looked at this and said, no, where
like this is Dion, this is Shador and we're only
going to talk to five teams when I'm messing with
anybody else. Apparently the interviews didn't go well based on
you know, rumors and you know a little bit of
report and everything. I think if you're going to kind

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of not spit in the face, because I think that's dramatic,
but if you were going to kind of laugh in
the face of what that process is, and then you
don't do well in the little process you participate in,
you do put yourself in a position to fall. To
fall that far though that I don't understand. That is
where like fall into the second round, sure, third round,

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maybe to today fifth round. That's crazy that I don't get.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
So I think there's a few factors you nailed. One
of the biggest ones for me, I think the number one.
There's not a lot of real estate available. We had
six quarterbacks drafted in the first fifteen picks last year. Yeah, right,
so off rip outside of Josh Rosen starting one year

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and then Kyler Murray being the I believe number No.
Was the number one overall pick that next year. I
don't know when you've had teams that have drafted first
round quarterbacks to then draft the starter seventeen games later, right,
I don't I don't have it in front of me.
It feels like it happens very very rarely. Off the
fact that I can name the one time in like
like by memory that it did. I am with you

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on the draft process and the way that he went
about it. It seems to me that there was a
at some point somewhere somebody was lying. Yes, somebody was lying.
And I don't think because when you look at the
way Chador Sanders and this Deon Sanders camp whatever, just

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in the last forty eight hours the party thrown. That
is the man who thinks he's getting drafted in the
first round. Absolutely okay, that is like, take however you
feel about the party, how ostentatious or glitzy or or
you know, some dude, whatever you feel about it, right,
take it out. You don't do that if quinn Ewers

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is never doing that, because quinn Ewers knows I got
a much better shout of be in the seventh round
pick than I do with a first round All right,
after the draft, first round tomorrow will be the day
quote from Shador Sanders, Yes, somebody was not telling the truth.
That's why you see mel Kiper up there losing his mind.

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Ian you said it earlier. Who did you see quoite
that line to about mock drafts are on with your
ears and big boards done with your eyes. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
So Daniel Jeremiah, he's with NFL Networks senior draft analysts.
He's known for that statement, which is super accurate. He
does mock drafts with his ears and big boards with
his eyes.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
And so to that point, producer popping by the way,
major draft guy found that out, like last week, what's
your Twitter? I don't care if you hided what the
NFL draft what? Uh yeah, I've got his.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
I've got a separate Twitter for just draft content, which
is at the draft room NFL.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I'm sitting here watching the sixth round and he's like, oh,
that's a steal, Like who is that? You know? And
that's how we came down this path. But the uh
so to shador like that is not the move of
somebody who thinks they're gonna be a fifth round pick.
You don't tell everybody come back tomorrow, folks. We're doing it.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
Against Dion would not put his son in that position
to be embarrassed this way.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And so I was of the Chaudors a stretch in
the first round, but you know, lack of availability of
other quarterbacks, that's what people are gonna want. Until I
heard Lance Zerline on the Herd on third on a
Wednesday before the draft. He was on the show with Kylin,
lancezer Lines and NFL draft analysts I believe for the

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NFL Network, and this is what he had to say
about this year's class at Shaud or Standers in.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Particular, when you look at Shador Sanders, he would not
have been in that first round mix. I think he
is in the first round mix this year. Obviously, Chador
is going to go in the first this year. He
would have gone maybe in the second round last year,
maybe even in the third round because teams don't like,
they don't like drafting players in the second round. There's
only in six quarterbacks drafted in the second round over.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
The last ten years.

Speaker 5 (08:44):
Wow, thirty five first rounders and fourteen third rounders. So
it's like that's a line of demarcation. You're either a
starter or you're a backup. And you know, I think
with cam Ward he would have been probably the seventh
quarterback off the board based on how it at tracks.
But I think he deserved to be in that conversation
last year. That's the only quarterback I would have had

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in that conversation, would not have had Dart, would not
have had Shador Standers in that conversation last year.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So to me, and you know this too. Zachar As,
an NBA journalist, covered you, covered you said, eighteen years,
you've seen all types of number one overall picks come in.
I heard Gilbert Arena say this first. When they're looking
at prospects, they're not necessarily just looking at the competition.
But it's also like the age in which you are
to compare to the guys who are in the league. Right,

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So if you're telling me that cam Ward would have
been the seventh quarterback last year, I can't take If
you just do the aggregate of the last two years,
Shador Sanders would have been somewhere in the eighth ninth
best quarterback. I can't take him in the first round. No,
of course not. I can't take him in the first round.
And then golf with Zerline said about now I'm drafting backups. Yeah,

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in the third round. Well you get to the t
bow zone with Shador. Yeah, of he gets way more
attention in the NFL. Are likely in the NFL because
of the way the ratings and all the you know,
we know his name. Yeah, then like Jalen Milroe, for example,
will in Seattle, Like Jalen Melroe started at Alabama, saw

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him at college football playoffs, but like, no one's gonna
be when Sam Donald goes out and has three pich
in game one. We gotta get mill Roe. We gotta
get Milroe in there. That's the conversation. If you drave
Shador Sanders, yes, one hundred percent. And we talked about this,
I don't know, maybe a month ago where we're like
we were talking about, you know, who should go number two?
Who should go number three for the Giants? And we were.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Talking about the the fight between do you go Travis Hunter?

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Do you go Abdall Carter?

Speaker 3 (10:45):
Right right, like we're talking about that, and and we're
talking about like, what's what's your process?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
There?

Speaker 3 (10:51):
At no point are we like, well, Shadure should be
in the mix. We were we were assuming Schador like, well,
I guess they're going number two with Shador, so then
what do the Giants do? It was an assumption that
this was gonna happen, not a yes, this has to
happen because it was I guess they're going with this.
It wasn't ever a stamp of yeah, he's like, he's

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absolutely a first round guy. It was just there's not
really quarterbacks, and if you need a quarterback, I guess
that's where you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Like if Cooper Flag is like the eighth pick in
the NBA draft, yeah, people will be losing their mind
if you go second to lose them exactly, But because
it is so evident and obvious that he is the
best prospect in this class, like that was never the

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case for Shador Sanders. If Schadoor Sanders, if Shador Sanders
threw like Caleb Williams and ran like Jaydon Daniels, then
the Tennessee Titans front office would have been doing the
perfect timing dance as they zoomed in in the war room.
They would have all been doing watching and they all
would have had personalized shirts that said legendary across. That's

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what it boils down to.

Speaker 3 (12:06):
For me, it's it look, I feel I get it.
There are a lot of people that are gonna be like, oh,
they brought this on themselves. They brought this on sure.
I guess I do feel bad for him to a
certain degree. And like, look his numbers, his numbers last
year are great, Like he went to the Big twelve
and he was good. That doesn't mean he's going to
be good at the NFL level. That doesn't mean he's

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going to be a starter. I don't know if he's
ever going to be a starter. He'll get a chance,
but it doesn't mean that he's going to win the
job and keep the job and you know, excel at
the job. He'll get his chance. I fully believe that,
and I mean it's the Browns. Of course he's going
to get his chance like that. That organization sucks. I
don't care how good they become at a certain point,

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they're always going to be the Browns and give him
a chance. But to fall all the way down, it's
interesting that that's the history with the second round and
quarterbacks taken. But to fall all the way down there
to fulp beyond Dylan Gabriel. See, that's the insane part
to me.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I think that the the so the pre draft process,
to your point, his tape was not good enough to
be a slam dunk home run first round top of
the draft quarterback, and he acted as such, right he
moved the way that Kayleb Williams had moved in years back,

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like not throwing at the combine, not doing so. So
when you get to that backup level, I think he
really did himself a disservice. I don't give. I don't
care what his interview could have been. I really don't
like I understand that, like you may rub somebody off
the wrong way here or there, but like if it
would not he could not speak English, all right, if

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he was throwing for fifty touchdowns running for seventeen, they
would have got a translator in there and they would
have figured it out. There are people who get drafted
Tennis League every year who have committed real crimes, you know,
like like I have now sometimes that week.

Speaker 6 (14:06):
Yeah, so I the personality all of that. No, yeah,
it didn't keep him out of the first round. No,
Like what it did was it kept him out of
the third. And that's the thing is is with with
his tape. I had it told to me this way, like, yes,
the the completion percentage of the yards, the touchdowns, all
that stuff, those are nice numbers, but when you get

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to his tape, there are no, oh my god, look
at that play right, And that's what you're looking for,
because that's what you're trying to mold. And when you
think even like an inaccurate quarterback like Josh Allen, like
obviously they're way different in terms of styles and everything,
and and where they were is college college athletes, right,
But when you look at the the plays he did make,

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you were looking at going, what was that?

Speaker 2 (14:52):
See right? Like, and you think, if I can harness
that we got something I had as we were working
through my day jobs debating, I would rather have Jalen
Milroe in the second round than I would add Shador
in the first round because Milroe has elite speed, a

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rocket arm. I could figure everything else out, right if
but I'm looking at drafts, I'm looking at traits, and
Chaudor's elite trait is the accuracy. And you know they
say the processing, like especially pre snap processing, that's post
snap a little bit. You gotta worry about the pre
snap And I think a lot of the post nap
is a little overblown because you have Travis Hunter, right,

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if you have Atrophy out there, it's like, now hold
on to the rock for a little bit. You know,
I'm gonna hold on to the rock in case I
can get make something happen there. But those elite traits
are like prerequisites for being a above average quarterback. For sure.
You tell me a point guard it has a great handle,
Well he's gonna need that. How can he shoot? Though?

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You know what I'm saying, because that's where we're that's
where the margins are, and and not doing any of
the combine testing didn't allow for any of those margin
maybe narratives to be busted. You know what if what
if he went out and ran a four or five
right right in a straight line, Like I don't think
it would have happened, but what if you did right?
You know what if you did? Yeah? Well, anyway, The

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But uh, right now it's time. I want to look
at the three to six matchup in the West, Zach, yes,

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two to one right now, Timberwolves in favor of the Lakers. Uh,
Anthony Edwards throughout Let's say, I think he turned to corners,
fair to say in his last postseason, like really last
two years, kind of elevated from star to superstar. And
you know, guys, you know, best player in a series
type guy. Yeah, right, and we what we have seen

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to me in these three games is almost I would
say a playoff evolution from him. But Dwayne Wade said
it on his podcast. It was after Game two, because
you know everybody has a podcast. Yeah, but he said, basically,
Anthony Edwards has been the baddest MF for walking And
it was in the level of challenge to Luca and Lebron, saying,
you two should probably be the baddest mffors walk in. Yeah,

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in this scenario, I just think back to Anthony Arwards
knocking kd He out the playoffs last year, knocking Yoki's
out of the playoffs last year. This guy's a giant
killer and he's not afraid. He's unbelievable, man.

Speaker 3 (18:15):
I mean he's twenty three, like he still doesn't know
what he's doing right, And he even talked about that
after last night's game, after he closed this Lakers team
out and look, we can do all the qualifiers of
Luca was sick, food, poisoning, flew whatever, it was like.
You could tell he did not look good Luca. You
know that clip from last week where Shack had to

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like flee the scene and get to get to a bathroom.
That's how Luca looked every time they cut to him
on the bench, That's what Luca looked like.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Like.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Luca looked like he was in trouble. And so Luca's
not at his best. He tried, he did what he could.
Lebron was fantastic. Austin Reeves got going at.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
A certain point, but Anthony Edwards was having a pretty
good game, and then fourth quarter came and he just dominated,
like absolutely dominated.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Close that thing out. Jade McDaniels was great. But after
the game, you know, ant was was talking about you know,
he's he's admitted in the series and some people criticize
him for this, but he's admitted, like, yeah, they're throwing
some coverage at me.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I can't figure it out. He's done this. Yeah, they're
running a little kind of his own thing.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, and I'm struggling with it. And he talked about
after last night, he goes, yeah, I was still struggling
with a little bit, but I watched film and saw
some things, and I saw it tonight and times I
was still confused, but I figured it out. And I
think that self awareness where and I even think that
him talking about it out loud helps him right to

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be able to talk about it like it kind of
helps him in real time.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
And you just see the evolution.

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Where the criticism last year was one he ran out
of gas against the Mavericks, which you know, he had
to defend at a certain level and then had to
carry them offensively at a certain level, just and he
couldn't do it. Mavericks were too good and they you know,
they dropped two games at home to start that they
should have won.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
And also just to real quick to your point, it
also shows you why not a lot of guys are
doing it. Yeah, it's hard to do. It's hard to
play both ends of the floor, right, hard to go
guard Kyrie or Luke on one end and then carry
a team on the other. And then and the other
thing was like, all right, you're not a great shooter.
Like you're just not a great shooter. Right.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
He goes, has that Olympic experience, hangs out with KD,
hangs out with Steph starts, you know, picking apart their
games and how they're preparing everything. He comes back, leads
the league in threes this year, shoots forty percent.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Right now, he did game a little bit justice from
Elik Beasley, but he was up there close enough to
be able to scam it. Yeah, at the end he did.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I mean, yeah, he should have been out of the
game against the Jazz, and he wanted that.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
He did steal that.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
But this but like you think about that, He's like, Okay,
you're not a good enough shooter, all right, I guess
I'll go become a forty percent three point shooter right
this summer, and it just you think about what where
he is now, how young he is. And I expect
the Lakers come out tomorrow night and and win this game.
I expect them to even up the series. I even

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kind of still expect them to win the series because.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
They have Luca and Lebron.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Right, but man like he is he Dwayne Wade's right,
like he is just one of them guys like he
is one. He is, he's special and we throw that
around a lot, and if they lose this series, there
will be criticism he is he's one of the guys. Though,
I don't think it will ever get to him. I
think he uses and not in that corny like I'm

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gonna favorite all the social media things that are said
about me that are negative and I'm gonna use it
like I think he uses it as constructive criticism to
process and figure out how do I fix this.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
He does have a confidential level that is professional athlete appropriate.
I'll say, yeah, Like, I think that's the level of
confidence you should have. Like is it outrageous? Absolutely sure,
but you have to be yeah, because you are I
mean you have to have a level of Unabas Hubris
to be like I can go out. I heard Charles
Barkley talk about it once. He's like, I know, Michael

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Jordan's better than me, but if I think it, I'm
gonna lose already. So it's like, yeah, I'm not letting that,
you know. But the thing that I also truly appreciated
about Anthony Everards when you look at the last two
postseason runs and this one obviously only three games. In
last year, he had a guy in Karl Anthony Towns
who was much much maligned, and he would criticize Carl

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Anthony Towns but with a smile on his face, and
it felt constructive. It felt like it comes along the
if you don't play at our best, your best, we're
not gonna win. And sure enough West Comverce Finals, he
didn't and they didn't. Right, you look at him now
with a guy like Julius Randall, who again, big man,
who's that much maligned in the postseason Julius Randall. I

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know it's been three games, but these are some of
the best playoff games he's played in his career. And
I just look at that and I'm like, I just
say this fool me once whatever for me twice, Like
it's other point. Something has to do with the best
player on the team enabling And then he had the biggest.

Speaker 6 (23:03):
Punchy back in the league, right and the ruddy gobart
stole the ball from.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Looking doncee yesterday.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
That was man, It's funny because Luke obviously embarrassed him
in the in game two, and and you know there
were some moments there, and he obviously embarrassed him last
year in game two. But that moment where because even
when he poked the ball away, I just instinctively, as
I'm watching that last night, I'm like, oh, well, Luca's
just gonna snatch that back and do some side step
and hit it. And then he starts like going down

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the floor and I think McDaniel's got a dunk or whatever,
and uh. And that was a moment where I'm like,
what just happened?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
All right? And I just I'm doing too much. I'm
doing too much saying that Anthony Edwards is the reason
why all of this has happened on man, But I
think that he when your best player creates an environment
in which like no, no, no, you could roast me because
I'm just gon get better. Yeah, they're like nobody else
is like it all trickles from there. I think no,
but I think there's something to it.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
In Look, I'm not comparing him to these players, but
I think when you set up the environment like the
he's in, the Spurs culture was was what it was
is because Tim Duncan said, yes, Pop, criticize me, tear
me down in front of these guys when I do
something wrong. The reason the Warriors culture is what it
is is because Steph creates a culture.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Of all that. Right, if Anthony Edwards can further this
and continue this and create that in Minnesota, and he
seems very happy and very like he seems to like
Minnesota and want to be there and want to do
all this there, if he continues this there, it like
it sounds ridiculous. Maybe he does create a dynasty there

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or just a team that competes for championships there and
maybe wins one. And I think for for Anthony Edwards,
you know, it's not just the three games with Randall.
The last month of the season, Julius Randall played some
of the best basketball he's ever played, right, Like, even
as good as that next season where he was I
mean he had missed a bunch of games. He came
back and that last month he was fantastic. He does this,

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you know, does this thing where I mean Carlington Towns.
For all of his faults, he primarily guarded Jokic in
that series last year with Rudy Gobert helping. Nasried, you know,
guard a lot of Jokic with with Rudy Gobert, with
Towns helping. And for Kat to do that, to have
that series against.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
And for them to win Thatt, like no one ever
had that happening. Everyone's just been crapped on carl And
and look what it did for for that team in
that franchise.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
And look, man, he's got fifteen more years of this. Yeah,
it's unbelievable. He really truly is one of my favorite
players in the league. Let's go to a tweet ray
here we got blind emmittt Emmon on air on Twitter
said the thing for me with Sanders that he did
have the toughest conference to play in college. I also
think his character has something to do with that. You

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want your QB to be a great leader and speak
correct things, and he blasted his teammates. Ward may have
been cocky, but I think he's a better leader. The
thing about that conference thing is interesting. We'll get to
that in just a moment, because this sure did not
matter for somebody else. But first, Steve de Seger, with
everything trending around the world of sports, Steed eure up, guys.

Speaker 8 (26:06):
The Denver Nuggets are up twenty at the Clippers to
start the fourth quarter. Down the lead is ninety six
ninety five over the Clippers with under two minutes to go.
For the moment, the Clips lead this first round NBA
Playoff series two games to one. Nikola Jokic thirty three points,
twenty one rebounds, eight assists, just one turnover, Clippers down

(26:27):
one late in the fourth the late game in just
a few minutes. Golden State hosting Houston, that first round
series even at one.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Golden State's Jimmy Butler out after a fall.

Speaker 8 (26:38):
Oklahoma City, best team in the league this year, a
four games to none sweep of Memphis, winning today one
seventeen to one, fifteen thirty eight points for Shay Gilgers
Alexander for Memphis. John Morant was out with a bruce hip.
Scottie Pippen junior scored thirty points. Cleveland, top seed in
the East, won at Miami, won twenty four to eighty seven.
Caves now lead three games to none in that series.

(27:00):
Four NHL playoff games Tampa Bay five to one winners
at Florida, so the Panthers up two games to one.
Now Vegas, a top seed, won in overtime at Minnesota
four to three. That series even at two. A top
seed Toronto is in action right now and tied two
to at Ottawa in the second the late game in
an hour, we'll have Dallas at Colorado Minnesota. Vikings acquired

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quarterback Sam Howell from Seattle in the NFL Draft round four,
running back from Arizona State Cam Scatibo to the New
York Giants, running back from Georgia Trevor Etn to Carolina,
and running back from Tennessee Dylan Sampson to Cleveland and
then the Cleveland Browns. In round number five. Today took
quarterback from Colorado Shador Sanders, and defensive back Shiloh Sanders

(27:44):
is signing with Tampa Bay. In round number six, in
a pick from the Browns, the Miami Dolphins got Oklahoma
State running back Ali Gordon who a couple of years
ago won the award as the best at his position
in college football, and a kicker was drafted by the
Baltimore Ravens in Round six, Tyler Loop from Arizona. By
the way, Ohio State had fourteen players drafted this week,

(28:06):
Georgia had thirteen, Texas had twelve. The final selection Patriots
at number two fifty seven overall, a compensatory pick get
Memphis defensive back Kobe Minor. NASCAR is back on Fox
TV Sunday from Talladega three pm Eastern Time to Major
League Baseball on FS one. The Royals trying to go
to eleven and four at home, shutting out Houston two

(28:29):
to nothing in the bottom of the six. The Mets
won two to nothing at Washington with two runs in
the second inning. Among the many earlier games, Twins beat
the Angels five to one. Update from the NBA minute
and a half to go, Denver still leading ninety six
to ninety five.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
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(29:04):
you know everybody says the draft starts at four. We
know he's gonna be you know, no, no, no, no, no, budd
The draft started as soon as the Cleveland Browns got
on the clock, moving down three spots to with the
Jacksonville Jaguars. Cleveland got back the fifth pick, second round pick,
number thirty six, fourth round pick, and twenty twenty six

(29:24):
first rounder for the Jaguars, who swapped that fourth rounder
got a sixth rounder this year and the number two
overall pick, taking Travis Hunter, wide receiver and cornerback. He
is a player that Jacksonville quote believes will change the
direction of the franchise of potential to the sport. Zach Harper,
Is this too much to give up to move up

(29:45):
three spots? Man, it's a lot.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
But if he's your guy, right, if he's the guy
that you believe in, I got I gotta think Jacksonville
has a smart enough guy running the I don't mean seok, Like,
I like they believe in this guy, glad James Gladstone,
first year GM, thirty four years old.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
First draft.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
You have to believe that he can find a way
to acquire talent, acquire picks, acquire things that will make
up for what you gave up.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Right, if you believe.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
That Travis Hunter is one and a half players, because
I've you've heard that, all right, he's going to be
a receiver and they're going to mix him into a
few packages defensively and then maybe expand that. I think
it's about right. It's a lot. But if he is

(30:40):
this good, it's worth it. If he changes this, if
he is the weapon that that Trevor Lawrence needs, Okay, ah,
Like we've seen these guys, like we've seen receivers like, look,
this is gonna be drying. I'm not saying it's gonna
be this combination. But if he is there's some version

(31:01):
of Jamar Chase for for Trevor Lawrence. If he is
the number one receiver that like this is the combination
and like now you have an offense that that can
that can be unlocked and can be reliable and can
be elite, then like I think you can find ways
to fill in the gaps in the future, but he can't.

(31:22):
But it's got to be he can't. It can't be
a miss. He's got to be elite. He's got to
be elite.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
And I think that this is a wild overpay not
and this is not a knock on Travis Hunter. I
understand Travis Hunter's willingness and desire to play both sides
of the ball. Sure, I just don't believe it's possible.
Like I think that it is nearly impossible when you

(31:48):
were evaluating Travis Hunter the prospect to take away the
fact that he's got he's he apparently never gets tired.
He can play one hundred and sixty snaps. Most mere
Mortals are only playing seventy, Right, you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm taking that away from him. I'm just not
gonna be the one to try that out. Sure, I
believe that the draft is a horse race, and I'm

(32:10):
looking for Thoroughbreds, not unicorn. Yes. Right, I don't know
what to do with Travis Hunter, right, I now have
to figure this out. You know what the Browns are
gonna do with Mason Graham. You're just stick it, right,
next to Miles Garrett. Miles Gary's gonna have seventeen and
a half sacks next year. Sure, they know how to
they know what to do with that already. And I
really developed this thought process with Zion Williamson. When you

(32:32):
have these unique talents that no one's ever seen before,
outliers don't last. And I'm not trying to knock Travis Hunter.
I'm not saying that it's a bad idea to draft
them second overall. But I'm saying, when you are mortgaging
your future to the point where you're trading away next
year's first round pick, that's dangerous. Sure, you know who

(32:56):
didn't think they were trading away the rights to Caleb
Williams When they trade to get Bryce Young the Carolina Panthers,
they traded away that next year's first overall pick. Do
you think it's a possibility Jacksonville just did the same,
because I do for sure.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it's absolutely a possibility. It's also a possibility they
make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
Sure, I mean AFC South is a wild, widely open division. Yeah,
I look, I'm not saying it's not a risk. I
just think if Gladstone is as good and smart and
look these young gms. You know, whoever knows right, whoever
knows with this in all these sports, right not everyone's

(33:37):
going to be theo Epstein and everyone wants to find
the next th Risting, Right.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
I just think that when it comes to this, if
you're an organization like Jacksonville, I do believe in just
sometimes you just got to take a big swing. And
I think this is a swing worth taking.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Oh, it's for sure a swing. It's for sure a
swing like Brian Thomas is good. Brian Thomas a good receiver.
Oh yeah, now he's the number two. See. I would
have much rather preferred this move be done by a
team like Baltimore, Kansas City, Philadelphia, even a Buffalo, a

(34:15):
team that you feel like you maybe or a piece
or two away. Sure to me, Jacksonville and I get
I guess Travis Hunter plugs two pieces.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
That would suck as a fan to see Travis Hunter
go to Philadelphia or Buffalo or something like.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
That, not if you're a fan of Philadelphia for the
rest of us. But also all right, hold on, but
this team was nine and eight two years ago, right true?
Like they are they might be a nine and eight
team again, or they might be a four and thirteen team.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Again, I guess that's the way that people look at
I also just have major questions with Trevor Lawrence, so
my commentary is well colored with that A little bit.
I do too.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
But if now, and especially like with what's coming up
with his his contract situation and what you have to
commit to him and what you have to how you
have to build your roster out, this will tell you.

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Oh absolutely.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
For context though, guys, Travis Hunter, this trade, this is
the first time since the year nineteen ninety seven that
a team traded up into the top three for a
non quarterback.

Speaker 2 (35:15):
I'm saying this doesn't happen essentially well.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
But.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
To be fair, what also doesn't happen is we have
a guy who's playing one hundred and sixty snaps a
game in college. Who was that player? Do we know
traded up for a quarterback?

Speaker 4 (35:28):
I'm gonna confirm right now, I think Keishawn Johnson.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
But Jack to the Jets number one overall. Yeah, you
gotta see that because it felt like it would have
been like a defensive end or something like that. That's fascinating,
you know what. We'll have that answer and Zach Harper.
I have a question for you because we're right now
watching a battle between the Denver Nuggets and the Los
Angeles Clippers, which looks like it may have just ended.

(35:53):
But what does that mean for the rest of the West.
We'll get to that in just a moment. Martin White,
Zach Harper, Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
Coming to a love and Fox Sports Radio studios right now.
Just watched the Denver Nuggets on Aaron Gordon's first career
game winning field goal make beat the Clippers to tie
that series up two to two. We watched Jimmy Butler
walk into the arena he's not playing Houston with a

(36:26):
nine to five lead just under ten minutes left in
the first quarter. Zach Harper, which one of these four
teams or you could take the field? I guess no, Yeah,
what's one of these four teams do you think would
give Oklahoma City the biggest problem? Yeh see, Okay, first, just.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
Want to just want to pay off that tease from
the listeners stuff about the number one pick. So it
was actually nineteen ninety six that Keishawn Johnson was the
number one pick by the Jets, number the damn ball.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
Next offseason, they got the number one pick again. In
classic Jets fashion, they hired Bill Parcells, though, and he
decided to trade away the pick and the uh Saint
Louis Rams at the time ended up selecting Orlando Pace.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
So not bad, not bad at all. Keishawn Johnson, good
friend of mine. But apparently being the number one overall
pick as a wide received. Maybe that's why there hasn't
been one since you had the number one over pick
The next year exactly, but uh, do you want to ask,
you know, we got the Rockets, we got the Warriors, Yeah,
and the Clippers and the Nuggets. Which one of these

(37:25):
teams do you give the best shot to take down
Okay See. Do you have okayc right now as the
favorite coming out of the world.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Yeah, I think they've got to be the favorite right
now just because of how dominant they've been and they
they've They've got who should who should end up winning
the MVP.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
If Jimmy Butler's fine, if.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
He's if he's healthy, if he if he heals, I
would say it's the Warriors. I just think there's something,
there's something there where the problem with Okay See is
can you can you slow down their attack and can
you slow down their defense? And by slow down their defense,

(38:03):
I mean can you stop them from swarming and deflecting
and really being physical embodying. The way you do that
is with a lot of the action that the Warriors run,
and they run a lot of motion. Like the reason
that the Thunder defense is so is so good is one,
they've got great defenders, but two, a lot of offenses

(38:26):
in the NBA are so stagnant and a lot of
pick and roll with the guys standing around. The Warriors
move constantly. It's Steph moves constantly, and when Steph moves,
it's different than anybody else moving And so if Steph
is moving around, they have to defend in a different way.
And then you've got Jimmy Butler just making plays and
Draymond making plays and so, yes, the shooting isn't great
around Steph. But I do think the way that they

(38:49):
can game plan is different than what just about any
of those other three teams can do.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And to your point, I think that if you can
get Okac in a half court, yeah, then and I
still have major questions about who's the second guy when
the shot clock has six seconds left, Who's gonna get
me a quality shot? That's not name shake Gildas Alexander.
I do not have a good answer to that question,
and I think if you don't have a good answer

(39:15):
to that question, you have a lot of trouble as
a high end playoff team. You can have Anthony Edwards
get you through the first round, maybe this second, but
when you get to that third round, what's the what
is your counter? What's your curveball? Warriors did not have
a curveball prior to the Jimmy Butler trade, which is
why they weren't in this conversation. I think they absolutely.

Speaker 3 (39:37):
Do now, Yeah, no, that Jimmy changes everything. They were
not contenders. They could not have even approached contention. I'm
not even sure they get through the playing tournament before
the Jimmy Butler trade. Now they're legitimate contenders as long
as they stay healthy. But if he can't get right,
they're not going to get out of this series.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, I mean, you saw how quick you got to
You know, you cover the league, so you were more
aware of this guy. But I'm watching Pat Spence there.
He's a lacrosse player. I thought he won a contest
and got to Jersey out you know what I'm saying,
like what to local grocery store and called the number
and all of a sudden like yeah, you could be
a Warrior for a day. I was like, this guy,
what is this guy doing? Speaking of what these guys doing?

(40:15):
One draft analyst up set? We'll get to that in
just a minute. Should he be? Was he right?

Speaker 1 (40:22):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio radio?

Speaker 2 (40:25):
That's right, Martin. Why Zach Harper broadcasting live from the
Fox Sports Radio studios, which is not what this paper
says ian, But that's all right, we'll get it done
the Fox Sports Radio studios, South Sports Talk Radio should
be uh. And we are diving back into the NFL
drafts there as we see there watching the Houston Rockets

(40:47):
lead the Golden State Warriors. Buddy heel just hit a three.
About time? Hey, welcome to the playoffs, Welcome back to
the season. All right, fifteen to twelve the score here.
But let's dive back in to the NFL Draft. And
to me, so you watched the draft on TV. Yeah, okay,
I've tapped out of watching the draft in general the

(41:10):
last few years. My strong belief is that this TV
show could have been an email, and I don't need
to see it all play out in the way. I
could just catch up later. But this year, with the
intrigue of where she door Santras was going to go,
ituned in. I was watching the ABC broadcast, which had
Kirk herb Street, Nick saban Uh and who else is?

(41:35):
Rhys Davis and Desmond Howard. Those were the guys. The
college football crew was on ABC. The ESPN crew was
more mel Kiper. Forget who else was up there with him,
but mel Kiper was up there. Adam Schefter was up
there more of your this is the way to phrase it.
College Game Days College on ABC, NFL Live Monday through Friday,

(42:00):
types Mina Coms, Ryan Clark, so on, and so forth.
They were on ESPN. So I didn't see this or
hear this until after the first round was up. This
was after the first round, so mel Kuiper is in
the process of losing his mind because he simply cannot
believe No. This was right after Shador got drafted. Okay,

(42:22):
so this is after the one hundred and forty fourth pick,
so Thursday. Then I'm starting to see the stories of
how yeah, like people making Leo Kuiper embarrassed himself. I'm like,
what could he have done? Could he possibly have done?
And you made the point you saw it, and it
was pretty embarrassing.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
It was pretty yeah, because I remember after the first day,
Adam Schefter had like this little I don't know, it
wasn't too long, but he's on he's on TV and
he's wondering why Shador doesn't go day one, and I'm
I'm like, that was kind of weird, right, It wasn't bad.
It was just like, that's a little bit of a
weird little rant. And then I saw a mel Kuiper
clip not that long after. I was like, well that

(42:58):
was that made the Shifter thing look completely normal. At
this this thing after Shador got drafted, my goodness, So
he had.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
He had marks after cam Ward went number one. He
had remarks after Jackson Dart was drafted. I'm sure he
had remarks after when Tyler Shaw Shuck was drafted. And
you know he's not alone, everybody did. Yeah, but after
he was after Shador Sanders went to Cleveland one's forty four.
This is what mel Kiper had to say on ESPN.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
The NFL has been clueless for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
When it comes to evaluating quarterback clueless all that had
no idea what they're doing. There's the evaluating quarterback.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
That's proof. There's proof of that.

Speaker 5 (43:42):
Manyay, we know exactly what we're talking about with quarterback,
they don't.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Now, all right, you had something to cook it for
the first twelve seconds, Now the third, last third, it
was where we know exactly what we're talking about the
quarterbacks they don't. I do agree the NFL is pretty
bad at evaluating sure how things are going to work,
whether it's talent, personality, fit whatever. This isn't watched. The
door was a fifth round pick. What was your take

(44:09):
on just Kuiper and the evaluation of all of this?

Speaker 3 (44:12):
All right, let me say this, I you want to
hit the NFL for missing on quarterbacks, I actually think
it's gotta be hard to I think it's fine for
it to be hard. I think it's fine to miss
on this stuff because you don't know what it's going
to be. You can guess, you can have educated guesses.
But to be like, oh, these guys miss all the time?

Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yeah, man, like this is it's not the same thing, right,
College and NFL. It's not the same thing and it's
fun when they miss it gives us stuff to talk about.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
But when then you punctuated with they don't know what
they're talking about, we do. Bravo, bravo. Mel absolutely zero awareness.
I'm pretty sure there are websites dedicated to all of
his misses. I'm pretty sure they like, we could look
this up, right, And I'm not even anti mL Kuiper,

(45:01):
I am pro you just absolutely having zero awareness here
and wanting to put your resume out there without putting
it out there and just saying like I'm the best
of this. I know what I'm doing. And look, he's
been on TV forever. I've seen that helmet of hair forever,
and I'm gonna see it forever.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
He's gonna be on there as long as he wants to.
And it's great to Yeah, absolutely yo the job security
being on there, he's entertaining. I like seeing it, but like,
come on, man, we know what we're talking about, Like
I don't know, man, I feel like we could look
that up and it's just it's hilarious. The thing that
drives me the most crazy about this, second to bracketology,

(45:46):
mock drafts are my least favorite thing in sports. And
it's not because of the like, just it's how everyone
reacts to them. Shador Sanders was mocked as a high
pick and as a result, we are now talking about
his slide. When you asked Lance Zerline or any of
the other guys were evaluating talent big boards, he is

(46:09):
sitting somewhere in the thirtieth to sixtieth best player. But
because everybody said Shador Sanders, oh, he's in play two,
and oh I rappit Board said he's in play two.
Is in Cleveland, Oh, Jordan Schultz said, is three to
New York? Oh, look out. Dana Rossini said twenty one
in Pittsburgh. Is all online. And I'm not knocking any

(46:32):
one of those people because I believe they were told that. Yes,
I do not think that you insert NFL insider here
is sitting up. You know what I'm gonna do today.
Let's do a little shit in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
And they're not running with that information without it being solid, right,
Like somebody is.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Telling them this is what's happening. H They're just being
lied to because they're being used, right, They're being used
to communicate through other teams. Hell, I am the least
plugged in can be. And there were a few people
that will text me and say, is this real? Yeah?
You know what I'm saying. Oh you know, hell, let
me go ask somebody else because I don't know. But
people will ask me like, is this report real? Because

(47:12):
teams are siloed in their own spaces, right. She just
reply like, I'm hearing yes, but it depends. I just
don't think that all of this is just being made up.
But then when you sit there and you make your
mock off what people are telling you, and those people
are lying to you because there's no consequence about telling
you this is not a congressional hearing folks, all right,

(47:35):
Then all of a sudden, oh, he slides to the third,
fourth round, and it's just a grave impossibility. It would
be like if the weather man went on TV and
told you it was gonna rain for the next three
weeks and then it was Sonny and then he comes
on and says, you know what, Actually, God was wrong, Yeah,
God was wrong. I was right, it was supposed to rain.

(47:56):
God got the formula mixed up and ended up being sunny.
No no, no, no, you were wrong. That's okay, own it.
But nobody ever does. And that's how I have mel
Kiper freaking out and pick one.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I love that he freaked out. It's so can we
play that again? I just want to listen to that again. Yeah,
it's it's it's just the way he punctuates that.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's hilarious. The NFL has been clueless for fifty years
when it comes to evaluating quarterback. Clueless. Call that no
idea what they're doing in terms of evaluating quarterback.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
That's proof. There's proof of that.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
How many we know exactly what we're talking about with quarterback?

Speaker 3 (48:29):
They don't They If I could make that, they don't.
My ring tone that were my text tone. I absolutely,
Oh my god, that's so great. Like he So, I've
had this theory for a coup for a few years now,
or not a theory. I'm trying to figure out how
I feel about this of how we talk about draft

(48:53):
bus right, Okay, where you think about Let's I mostly
do this with the NBA, but let's talk like, think
about JaMarcus Russell. Right, JaMarcus Russell goes number one to
the Raiders. Is JaMarcus Russell Or is JaMarcus Russell a
draft bus? Or are the Oakland Raiders at the time.

(49:14):
Now the Las Vegas Raiders are they draft bus. I'm
tracking because he's not the one that drafted himself number one.
They're the ones that drafted themselves, that drafted a number one.
When Anthony Bennett goes number one in the twenty thirteen
NBA Draft, no one had that. That was a legitimate
surprise on draft night that no one had. Is he

(49:37):
a draft bus when he sucks? Or is did you
put him in the position to suck?

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Right? If you, in fact, had drafted Anthony Bennett with
the uh, if he goes seventh, no one cares. I
was I didn't even think about that. I was just thinking, like,
say he drafted with the fifty fifth overall pick. That
was a pick that had a lot of fanfare this year. Right,
if you drafted Anthony Benett with a fifty fifth overall
pick and he turns out to well, exactly what Anthony
Bennett turned out to, you know, hey, not bad.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
But like we have this thing where like someone's like, hey,
this guy, this this draft prospect. Some analysts will say
this draft prospect is the best prospect since Lebron James,
and then the kid's not that good. And we're like, well,
this kid sucks. He's supposed to be the next Lebron James.
Why because some guy said it that, Like, no one
did this. If this kid comes out there and says

(50:27):
I'm the next Lebron James and then he sucks, yeah,
hammer him for it.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
This is what I had this argument when Victor win
Binyama was coming over from France. Yeah, and all of
a sudden he was seven feet seven inches tall and
then he trunk to seven four. Right, by the way,
he's seven to five. But do you know what I'm saying,
Like the reports when Wind's horse was like the first
person ever lay eyes on him, you know, it was
like he's seven feet ain't it's just tall. He's got

(50:53):
a wigs fan that crosses the Atlantic. Yet, right, he's
the best prospect. I'll never forget this Woach newsbreaker at
the time out of the business stup, but at the
time was a newsbreaker that opinion guy says he's the
best prospect in professional sports history. Oh what that must mean?
His agent wanted to say, I get that, but I

(51:13):
mean I remember watching I watched Andrew Luck in college.
You know what I'm saying, Like whoa stop the press, right,
all right, like stop it? But like, so that's that's
what it is. That's what it all was. You're building
all of this up.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
It's so funny to me when someone's like, oh, the
kids like kids, the the next Kobe Bryant and then
the kid's like pretty good. You're like, wait, what happened
to this kid? Why is he so bad? It's like,
that's not on the kid there, that's on the analysts.

Speaker 2 (51:40):
There's a guy that we both know actually told me
that he thinks that you don't have a very high
opinion of him, which is hilarious to me. And I'll
tell you why off the air. But the discussion was
Cooper Flag over one and a half NBA MVPs. I
said under and I was called everything under this side, Oh,
you're a you don't think you can do it? Oh?

(52:02):
Is it? Because he's like, no, no, it's just it's
hard to win MVP. Because I watched Grant now so
beat him to the spot. You know, That's why I
don't think it went multiple NBA MVPs. Look at the
list of people have one multiple NBA MVPs. It's why
when people were like, you know, we read Shepherd was

(52:23):
like a number Like They're like, oh, yeah, he's going
number three to the Rockets. I'm like why, Like, oh no,
look at his numbers up there, and I'm like, yeah,
his numbers are great. I also watched him not be
able to get an open shot against Oakland University and that,
and at that point, I'm telling you, I.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Watched that game and I was like, yeah, I don't
think he's gonna be good. And they're like, that's unfair.
I'm like, I don't know, man, Like I watched that
game and he couldn't get open against inferior Towns.

Speaker 2 (52:50):
What am I supposed to do with that information? And
you know, I lie that. People say you got you
can't just take one game and they share evaluational sure,
but sometimes if the game's bad and it's a game,
it's kind of like the.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Matt Marts of like, violence is never the answer, but
sometimes it is sometimes right, you can't base some things
off one game, but sometimes you can't.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
Hey, speaking of violence not being the answer, but sometimes
it is. We might be in for something we haven't
seen in a long long time. One of my favorite
words have come out. It's like along the lines of
like stave off elimination. You only hear this word this
time of year, and as a result, people are very,

(53:32):
very upset. We'll get to that in just a minute.
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And it was this Game four of the SI Game

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three of the series is split one one both ways.
So uh, we heard yesterday Jalen Brown and a series
in which the Magic have less than three percent opportunity
to win, chance to win something like very very slight chances.
It's been very physical. The word of the month it's physicality, physicality,

(54:39):
the physicality, and mind you remember this just like you
stave off elimination. Yes, the physicality is ratcheted up in
the postseason. Sure, it is now ratcheted up in the postseason.
And Jalen Brown yesterday said, and when asked about the
physicality or ratcheting up by Gary Washbourne of the Boston Glove,

(55:02):
He's basically said there's gonna be a fight out here
in so many words, and said we will fight to
get to the second round. But he definitely said like
we're gonna be a fight today in the Clippers Nugget series,
we saw some pushing and shoving, some extra curriculars then

(55:23):
quite right at the level of a brew haha. Reggie
Miller was adamant on the broadcast there's just nothing. Yeah,
it was a lot more than nothing than you'd see
in general basketball game. Yes, do you think we're out
of place in the NBA? Well, we should actually see
somebody punch somebody in a face.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
No, I think that's out of the game. I think
there's a couple of guys in the league that might
do it. I think we're more likely to see it
in the Knicks. Piston series. Yes, because Isaiah Stewart is
in that series. I think that's where we will see it,
even though he's not playing right now. But no, like

(56:02):
I I man, I don't even know all right, what
I'm about to say probably isn't the best thing. Ooh,
I think the league's missing it.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I uh agree.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
Now this is probably me being in my forties and
I grew up watching it and I grew up, you know,
really watching basketball in the nineties, right, and I get
all the reasons the NBA has gotten it out of
the league. And guys don't want to lose paychecks. Guys
don't want to you know, they don't want to lose
the money. And it's funny because I'll say that to

(56:37):
like friends of mine who don't who aren't covering the
league or anything, and they're like, oh, yeah, they don't
want That's the equival of me losing you know, fifty
bucks or whatever.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
I'm like, whatever, they don't want to lose it. Whatever
it is, they don't want to lose it. The next
time you're having those conversation with the friends, ask how
they feel when they get a parking ticket, right exactly.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
But whatever reason they don't want to lose the money.
They don't want to be suspended. They don't even want
to lose the money on technical technical fouls, right, they
lose I think it's like twenty five hundred dollars, five
thousand dollars or whatever it is. And so because of that,
the league has done a good job since the Mouse
at the Palace at getting that out of the league.

(57:15):
There just aren't a lot of guys who want to
do that. I don't even think it's a whole like
we're friends kind of thing, the aau of it all.
It is about the money, even as contracts of Skyrock, right,
And there just aren't that many guys who want to
do that these days.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
So it's funny you mentioned Isaiah Stewart because I was
texting a good buddy of mind who is a big
Pistons fan, and we were just texting back and forth.
I picked the Pistons to win the series, and I'm
kind of on an island everywhere else my confident, Right,
this guy's going to back it up. Yeah. I texted
him Thursday at halftime we got to cut off gotta

(57:54):
shut off Cat's water here, and he said, need Isaiah
Stewart said, to be fair, Isaiah Student would have got
ejected from this game when I when Kat pushed.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Whoever, I'm surprised beef Stud didn't come off off the
bench in that suit.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
But so I, first of all, in kudos stand for
wearing a suit. You're a millionaire, do it? Uh, and
you're at work. I want I get why you uld say,
like the headline is NBA players need to fight more
is not necessarily the one you're looking right. However, I
am of the belief as someone who has been punched

(58:31):
in the face several times. Yes, there is a healthy
respect that you have in life when you have said
something and then without any other words being said, you
have then been punched in the face. It is it's
a it's a moment that I think, like, I think

(58:53):
people need. And I'm not saying these guys haven't been
punched in the face before. I'm sure they have, because
when that happened to you, you then operate under the
knowledge that at any moment in time, I can get
punched in the face. Yes, and so when you choose
to talk crazy, you are doing so with that knowledge.

(59:15):
It's very much like driving without a seat belt.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
If you're driving out a seatbelt and you end up
going through the wish as you make it.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
I bet you know what you do. You buckle up
every other times because you know if this goes worst
case scenario, it could get real ugly. Do you follow
the account NBA cobwebs.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
No, So they're everywhere Instagram, Blue Sky, Twitter, all of it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
It'd be a cobwebs. They will just have the most
random stuff.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It's literally like something for every day and it's the
most random highlight and then they'll give you the breakdown
of what happened in the game just in the caption
of it all. But they have so many times where
it was just like random punch is thrown and then
we're good. Oh Like it's like we're good, and it's
obviously like those are like the games from the eighties,
but it'll be like nobody's ejected this game.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
They just kept going Parkly had thirty. But it's funny
how how you know, it's a reminder of how regular
it was. And I do think the physicality back in
the game, it is more physical than it was a
year and a half ago, right, And I do think
it's healthy because it got out of control with how

(01:00:20):
much was allowed to happen offensively, it's still unhealthy. I
think the amount the offensive player is an advantage just
by the rules. But it's funny, like I saw something
the other day where, you know, somebody who analyzed the
league was like, yo, is there too much physicality now?
I'm like, what are we talking about? Now? What?

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
No, give me some hand checking. I want hand checking back,
That's what I want. I'm fine with it. I think
that you know, you allow players. The referees just had
to set what the level was going to be. Yes,
be consistent and be consistent. But I think almost more
than anything, to the point of, you don't know what
it's like to get punched your face. And you get

(01:01:01):
punched in the face, and I know it's ironic. And
Jordan Poole as we're watching the Warriors, right, so you
have a better chance to getting pushed your face in
practice then you may in an actual game. But I
know this to be true without having conversations with any
other parties involved. Jordan Poole didn't talk crazy in Washington. No,

(01:01:24):
I know that to be true. You know how I
know that to be true because he got punched in
the face. And when you see all these people who
are in the NBA, like arguing and yelling and fighting
and yelling at the referees and all of that, it
has a lot of I'm yelling at you because you're
not gonna do anything about this. And to go back

(01:01:45):
to the Anthony Edwards thing real quick, there was a
scene last night in the game, a scene what was
this movie? I play last night in the game where
Anthony Edwards is talking trash to one of them. I
believe it's Ruy hotching more rights over there, like, yeah,
you got nothing for me. I'm over here doing you this, dad,
and the third and all of my parts is bigger

(01:02:06):
than yours. He's giving it to him, right, And then
nas Reid steps in between the two of them. Anthony
pushes naves Reid like no, no, no, no, no, no, We're
just talking, bro, I'm just talking my game. There's no
level of anger, there's no level of fight here. And
that's one of the things I can appreciate. It's like, no,

(01:02:26):
we're talking with a smile on our face. We're talking trash.
There's no level of there's no need to step in
here and be fake tough guy because that's a lot
in the NBA. And I say, not Read is a
fake tough guy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
No, but that moment is always the fake tough guy moment,
whether that's a fake tough guy or not exactly, those
guys just it's like, oh, time to step up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
And it's like now, all of a sudden, we have
escalated ten fake tough guys staring at each other and
a five foot ten referee in the middle, which I
think is what happened that Clippers yeah, Clippers Nuggets think
where I don't think anything was gonna happen, and then
we had this fake toughness get in there, and then
you start pushing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
That's the reason to start pushing. Harden and Christian Brown
could have just like, all right, they have a little
thing face to face and then we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Christian Brown was smiling. Yeah, he wasn't taking any of
that seriously. If anyone is smiling, he's like, you're gonna
get mad at that. Get out of here. In fact,
if anybody's smiling pre fight or pre argument, you know
two things are true, or one of two things are true.
Either this guy has no interest in doing this at all,
or he wants to do it. Like, that's how I

(01:03:34):
feel like James Johnson from the instill in the Pacers, right,
James Johnson is just daring somebody. Please they swing at
tyree tealiburt, So why I come out here and none
chuck into death?

Speaker 3 (01:03:44):
And it's why the Pacer all the other pacers talk
so much trash because they know that guy's behind us.
And it's why the rest of the league knows. We
can't really do anything about them talking trash. We have
to just go beat them because we're not going to
start anything with them because that guy's there quickly, because.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
We're not going to talk about this in any other point.
What did you make of Rick Carlisle and his most
overrated defense of Tyre's aliburn.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
One the whole Like, look, they Athletic put that out
the anonymous player poll. It was ninety players that voted
in the most overrated part, So we're I don't know
what that math is. Thirteen people twelve people picked.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
As there is one hundred and forty people in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
So he said nineteen ninety people voted in that question, right,
he had fourteen percent of the vote, So I think
it's like thirteen people or whatever. So we're talking like
thirteen people voted for him, thirteen players, and then Rick
Carlo comes out there and like I thought Tyree's had
the right approach to it, like I don't care right
like that, it's it's meaningless, like you don't have to

(01:04:46):
be defensive about it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Rick Carlisle came out there talking about this is a travesty.
Jimmy Butler would have been MVP, and you're honest.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
It's dumb, like, calm down, you don't have this is
the situation where you don't have to ride for your guy,
right for him with the refs, right, relax.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
I took that award to mean like least liked around
the world. That's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:05:05):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:05:06):
That's and again we're talking thirteen people here, right, voted
for those thirteen people.

Speaker 4 (01:05:10):
I don't think they actually believe that he's the most
overrated player in the NBA. They just don't like the guy.
I don't think the way he's talked about is I'm
guessing half of them were on the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
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The NFL does no favors when they put these guys,

(01:05:44):
put these cameras in war rooms. Yeah, we saw the
impact of one of them, a pick that normally nobody
cares or is watching, but we were all locked in here.
We'll get to that in just a moment. But first,
Steve de Sega.

Speaker 8 (01:05:58):
Quite a segment on the modern and so you're saying,
if I can make a conclusion that in the postseason
things are really ratcheted up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
I mean no things, but especially Steve, the physicality, physicality,
the physicality, Christmas physicality, nothing to worry about. Look tax Day,
physicality an issue.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
And you're mentioning if Tyres Halberton does take a hit,
then what Dale Davis and our tests are coming back
on the court in uniform just for general purposes, for
a dust up.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
By the way, for the.

Speaker 8 (01:06:28):
Modern NBA, this Golden State Playoff game going on right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
For seventeen minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:06:32):
The Warriors have attempted seventeen three pointers and they're three
of seventeen. They're not gonna stop. Houston is leading at
Golden State thirty four to twenty two mid second quarter.
For the moment, this first round playoff series is tied
at a game apiece. Jimmy Butler of the Warriors out
after a fall. Denver tied two games apiece after a
win on a dunk at the buzzer at the Clippers

(01:06:54):
one oh one ninety nine, Aaron Gordon the late hero.
In fact, according to Basketball rep Friends that Gordon dunk
the first ever game winning buzzer beating dunk in the
history of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
The NBA postseason.

Speaker 8 (01:07:07):
Oklahoma City won at Memphis one seventeen, won fifteen thirty
eight points for Shay Giljes Alexander. The Sunday Thunder sweep
the series, which means Oklahoma City's record is now seventy
two and fourteen. Cleveland, the top seed in the East,
won easily at Miami, won twenty four to eighty seven
to go up three games to none. In fact, this
was for the Heat their worst ever playoff loss in

(01:07:29):
the NHL postseason. Tampa Bay a five to one winner
at Florida. Vegas won in overtime for to three at Minnesota. Currently,
Toronto is tied three to three at Ottawa with about
three minutes left in the third. The late game is
just getting underway. Its Dallas at Colorado. The Vikings acquired
quarterback Sam Howell from Seattle. The NFL Draft concluded rounds

(01:07:51):
four through seven today. Total attendance in Green Bay for
the three days was six hundred thousand. By the way,
in round four, we had Cam Scatabow Arizona State running
back go to the Giants. In round five, quarterback from
Colorado Shaduor Sanders to the Cleveland Browns. Defensive back Shiloh
Sanders of Colorado signed with Tampa Bay. Undrafted running backs

(01:08:13):
from Texas Jayden Blue to Dallas, running back Kansas State
Dj Giddons to the Colts, and running back from Oregon
Jordan James to the forty nine Ers. Those three all
in the fifth round. Baltimore kicker Justin Tucker is under
investigation for improper conduct. The Baltimore Ravens used a sixth
round selection on a kicker from the University of Arizona,

(01:08:33):
Tyler Loop. Carolina signed Ucla quarterback Ethan Garver. Cincinnati signed
Auburn quarterback Peyton Thorn. The Jets signed Missouri QB Brady Cook,
and the Jet sign Michigan running back Donovan Edwards. A
couple of late compensatory pick that the Patriots had. In
round seven, they picked up a long snapper with a
draft choice from Vanderbilt, Julian Ashby, and the final selection

(01:08:56):
defensive back from Memphis. Kobe Minor goes to the Pats.
Bryson Deshamba leads the live golf event in Mexico by
one stroke. NASCAR is back on Fox TV Sunday from
Talladega three pm Eastern time. Austin Hill won the Exfinity Race.
Among tonight's ballgames, the Pirates down now two one to
the Dodgers in La bottom of the second inning.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Back to you, thanks Steve, Martin Weiss and Zach Harper.
Coming to you live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
And we have these moments, the most famous, I think
the dogs hitting in Belichick's chair as he was being
you know, the Patriots were on the clock. And now
we have all these cameras in war rooms and so

(01:09:37):
on and so forth. Right also war room. I just
found a very how about draft meeting room? Anyway, the
Cleveland Browns when they drafted Shador Sanders, the broadcast showed,
how would you quantify I describe the round of applause
that Kevin Stefanski Andrew Berry and the Cleveland crew gave when,

(01:10:00):
you know, immediately following the pick for a fifth round pick. Yeah,
I found it to be.

Speaker 3 (01:10:10):
You know, I I have this uh this movie podcast
right that I do with a me L Hassen, another
basketball analyst, and and it's about bad movies. And yeah,
we ascertained if the movies properly rated or is it?
Is it welcome to appreciate that, And so we give
out awards at the end of the movie. And one

(01:10:31):
of the awards is ass off, right, and did you
act your ass off? And that's for the good actors
in the movie. The other one is ass on. That's
for the bad actors in the movie. That draft room
would have been ass on for me, Like, I it
seems so forced. I didn't like it didn't look genuine
to me. I'm like to me, I'm like, oh, this

(01:10:52):
is for the cameras. Yeah, Like what, Like I get it.
You want to make it look good because it's shador
and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Let me see that. Let me see that for the.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
Other picks that your fourth round pick. Let me see
what it looked like for the fourth round pick. Well,
you got the footage the camera.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
I'd like this he would have looked like for a
third round pick. Dylan Gabriel exactly. Yes, Yeah, I do
think it's a little overblown. This is the one hundred
and forty fourth pick in the draft, guys, right, Like
nobody is sitting back like we got him. Yeah, Like
that's what you do when you get if you were
taking him too, if you kept the second pick and

(01:11:28):
you take them too, you're like when you end up
getting Mason Graham with the fifth pick. Yes, and you
wanted him at two and you got him at five. Yeah,
let's clap a bit like Danny Ain's doing victory laps
when he gets Jason Tatum at three for trading back
from one. Yeah, let's hide five. This to me, do
you know what? This? To me seems like I'm getting
married and August I worked two jobs of all odd

(01:11:52):
hours of the day and night. I'm coming in and
so I walk in after you know, being at work
at five o'clock in the morning. It's now two afternoon.
I'm exhausted, right because I got three hours the night before,
and my fiance will be like, Babe, guess what we
just booked?

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
Three hotels is gonna cost us two thousand dollars and
everything's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
And I don't necessarily have I'm not necessarily like, oh
hell yeah, well, I can't wait to spend this money
a bigger bill more. Like it doesn't mean I don't
want to get married. Sure, it doesn't mean like, of
course I want to get married. I can't wait for
my honeymoon, but I don't want to spend their money
now to like know that, Okay, this is how I'm
gonna be spending in the South to France or you

(01:12:33):
know what I'm saying, Like, I gotta spend the money now, Yeah,
I gotta. And then I gotta go to sleep and
wake up and go to work to pay for it all. Yeah.
So when Andrew Berry says I think we're probably just
tired from the weekend, I kind of tend to agree
with him. Look, I'm not saying that it's one to
one one hundred percent, but I think it's a little like,
what are they supposed to be doing backflips? I just like,

(01:12:55):
why do we have that? Anyway? You know, why do
we need to see that? We got We got the
shot of of the Sanders family. Yep, we got the
shot of like Shiloh like like making it a big
deal for his brother. That's all I need. YEA good.
I got to see the replay of this. But I'm

(01:13:16):
pretty sure Draymond accidentally pushed Clinton post thinking he was
a rocket. Well he is a rookie. He's like here
you ear it anyway? Uh yeah, I just think I
think it's a little overblown. The fifth round pick for
your guys is not necessarily when you're gonna jump up
and clap and celebrate. Makes me do wonder if somebody

(01:13:37):
stepped in here, like, was this like a level of
did ownership say, hey, guys at this point draft him, right?
Because sure, at this point draft him, which hey, it
happens all the time and not necessarily always a bad thing.
What is that quarterback room gonna be? Like, that's that's

(01:14:00):
gonna be the funniest possible outcome of all this. Joe
Flacco starts Week one coming up next me producer and
I cook this up. We're gonna try it out for
the first time Sports Court, Sports Court. Who's guilty? Not me?
Martin White, Zach Harper, Fox Sports Radio coming to you

(01:14:20):
a lot from the Fox Sports Radio studios is Martin
Weiss and Zach Harper. You can get us with your
two cents on Twitter. I'm at Martin Weiss and Zach
is at Talk Hoops, which I mean, let's be honest,
top three Twitter name for a basketball hoops. But now
it's time for honestly, this is all Ian Righty's creation

(01:14:43):
and production. So if it goes wrong, tweet him. Let's
better start this time for sports court.

Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Oh yeah, we got background for thank you, Mary mac okay,
So yeah, sports Court.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
There's a brand new game. We're trying it out here.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Don't have a ton of imaging yet, that's why we
appreciate at the law and order backdrop there. I'm gonna
give you guys a topic. Bring someone to the stand
here if you will, in our court of sports opinion,
and you guys are gonna determine whether that person is
guilty or not guilty unsaid charge. So let's start with this.
Lawrence Taylor stands accused. Now the Giants selected Abdul Carter

(01:15:23):
pass Rusher out of Penn State with the number three
pick in the NFL draft, as we all know. When
asked after the draft what number he plans on wearing,
Carter revealed he planned to ask Lawrence Taylor about the
possibility of getting his permission to wear number fifty six,
which has been retired by the Giants. If he didn't know, well,
it's already come out that Taylor has declined the rookie's request.
So Lawrence Taylor on trial guilty or not guilty?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
Here? Not guilty? I'm innocent, absolutely? And is it not guilty?
Are you kidding me? Look, I think Abdul Carter is
going to be great. That's Lawrence Taylor. Get out of here.
I'm with you, not guilty. One hundred percent. Retired numbers
retired for a reason. And also, Abdul Carter, you have
the opportunity to wear eleven and do a whole Penn

(01:16:07):
State deal like Michael Parson has told you to on
draft night. I do that before I try to get
a retired number.

Speaker 4 (01:16:12):
Out now, before we bring the next person to the stands.
I just want do you guys have an issue with him?
Even asking no.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
No, I've DMed Brianna before. Okay, I'm gonna need to.
I'm gonna regather myself after that. That's great, all right?
Well yeah, still still and Carter Still.

Speaker 4 (01:16:36):
Carter did tweet after the fact saying the worst he
could have said was no, and he did, so, you know,
respect abduel in that case. But next up, this is
a little bit of a stretch here, but I'm gonna
say Kyle Busch stands accused. The NASCAR driver now NFL
draft prospect Gray Zabel was drafted in the first round
by the Seahawks on Thursday. Post draft interview quote went

(01:16:57):
viral of his They asked him what is he gonna
do now that he's been draft and he said, quote, hell,
I'm gonna dive.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Into these bush Lights his dad.

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
His dad tweeted later in the night saying the Zabel
household has officially run out of bush Light, and he
tagged bush Light the beer company in the tweet. Last
I've seen though, bush Light has not resupplied them, has
not given them a deal of which, hey, maybe there's
potential for that, some sort of nil endorsement deal. But uh,
Kyle bush guilty or not guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
I'm going guilty because he should have stepped up and
filled in the void where bush Light's naughty. I love
the fact that my boy said, listen, hey, what am
I about to do now? Well, about to go drink
cheap beer. I just got drafted from North Dakota State.
I'm about to go drink cheap beer. Absolutely, that's one
hundred percent guilty. One hundred percent guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
You have a responsibility, at least as a social media
manager to be on top of that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
Whether you're gonna supply or not, you've got to respond.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
All right, we got time for one or two more here,
so we'll say this, Ole miss Fratbros. Stand accused. Now,
I think you guys are you guys know where this
one's going now? Shador Sanders, as we know, he fell
to the fifth round. But on day two of the draft,
he got prank called with some ole miss Frat guys
pretending to be Mickey Loomis the Saints GM. The the

(01:18:12):
whole videos come out now from there and they're in
some dorm room and they called Shad or you heard
him pick up. It was definitely the real thing there.
But ole miss Frat Bros. Guilty or not guilty?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Here guilty? This is honestly, that's so messed up. It's
so messed up, and I honestly hope something terrible happens
to them, Not like life altering, like you know, they
lose a leg or something, but like you fail like
four classes and all of a sudden, now you got
to go back for an extra year.

Speaker 3 (01:18:41):
I gotta be honest. I stopped listening at old Miss
frat Brose and just decided, guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Listen, discrimination, More media members should take your level. You're
you're right, it is discrimination, agreed, guilty of that? Yes,
more people take that all right? Next up are Manning
stands accused. So former Texas quarterback Quinn Ewers, who people
were speculating whether he would enter the draft or return

(01:19:08):
for another year of college. He did ultimately decide to
enter the draft, and he was taken today, but not
until the seventh round, which was much later than I
think he was expecting. And a lot of experts, well
as you guys, were saying weather Man whatever, but it
was later than expected. As the point, but arch Manning,
now the quarterback at Texas, maybe given a little pressure
for him to leave. Guilty or not guilty, not guilty.

(01:19:30):
If you can't win out the job, figure it out,
go somewhere else. The number one example I can think
of this I remember when Darius Morris went to the
NBA after sophomore year in Michigan. That was very question
the Kenny dribbles left hand. But the reason why is
Trey Burke was coming to run that spot. Yeah, all right,
go get it while you can, buddy, because this is
pro sports. Not guilty.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Get your spot, get your spock, get your opportunity, go
out there, ball out whatever gets your spot. That isn't
a crime, not guilty.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Now you mentioned one of these that I found fascinating,
that shit door Sanders phone call on day two. Now
I'm ready to put my tenfoil ad on and break
down just exactly how this possibly could have happened. I
know Zach Harper has takes as well, but conspiracy abounds people.

(01:20:19):
We'll get to the bottom of it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:24):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (01:20:27):
That's why we're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
Fox Sports Radio. It's the way that sports talk radio
should be here on the Fox Sports Saturday NFL Draft.
In the books, in the books. And you know what, Zach,
I'll ask you the question. Yeah, I heard olden polonies
asks earlier today. The mister irrelevant was Kobe Miller out

(01:20:51):
of Memphis, cornerback drafted by the New England Patriots. There
was another cornerback, Kobe Bryant cob Ee out of Kansas,
who was also drafted today. Seeing the Kobe's, where are
the Lebron's, it's a great question. Where are the Lebron's?
It's a great question. You got to remember, though, Kobe
had a seven year head start right gets draft in

(01:21:15):
ninety six, two thousand and three, so I can only
assume they're two NFL draft a lot of Lebron's. All right,
this is a true story. I was talking with Skip
Bayless in the waiting room are the lobby of Fox Sports,
of Fox Sports one, and there's a graphic editor there
named Lebron, spelled differently. I said, what up Lebron, and

(01:21:37):
Skip was like, no way, that's his real name? Is
sure enough? It was, all right? So back to the
business Shador Sanders and his fall. But I want to
talk about so I honestly thought throughout the draft process,
from not draft right throughout the like from start of

(01:21:59):
the draft pick one one to the last pick, shad
Door Sanders ac quitted himself very well. Yes, from all
the videos we saw that came out, he looked like
he was confident. He seemed like even though things were
not going his way, not pouting, freaking out whatever. Had

(01:22:20):
some funny moments with his brother, even saying if they
make it, you wait, they really don't have to wait,
or like you know, turn around say hey, hey, I
think we should fire our agent. It was kind of
tongue in cheek funny. I understand everybody's looking at us.
We understand where the butt of the joke. We can
laugh too. One of the things I found to be
kind of absurd, though, was the prank call from a

(01:22:44):
member of Old Miss. Somebody from Old Miss call Shador
Sanders pretends to be Mickey Loomis right ahead of the pick.
And I heard both sides of the video because Shaud
door Side put it out as well. Should Door sounds
a little apprehensive, sounds like it doesn't necessarily believe that
this is Mickey Loomis. But it's like also, and it

(01:23:07):
came out of other videos that that that number he
had gotten from Boost mobile, particularly for the draft, and
emailed it out on a list that the NFL. You
imagine there has to be a pretty comprehensive call list
right when you're there's some six hundred people that could
be drafted in the two hundred some spots. You gotta

(01:23:28):
have phone numbers for those people you got to call
up to that hey, guess what, you're going to join
the team. So that his number was on that list,
which is privy to the thirty two NFL teams and
you know, ancillary staff, but not really. So somebody has
leaked that number and it says to me, and I'm
tinfoil had fully on, yeah, because when you look at

(01:23:50):
everything that happened from day from the beginning of the
draft process to now, should do or moves like a
number one overall pick. He operates like a guy who
had promises. Yes, And for me, once I saw him
slide past twenty one, all right, But to get to

(01:24:11):
the fifth round, you don't move the way he was moving.
And for that number to get out it makes me wonder,
is it something more real about the NFL versus Dion Sanders,
Like about the NFL acting against Dion Sander. The idea

(01:24:34):
of Dion Sanders or the idea of how he's been
trying to manipulate the drust like, because that's malicious to me,
that's very like. That is not a joke on Twitter.
That's malicious to reach out to somebody on a day
they've been waiting for their whole lives to prank call
them that. And the idea of the number got out.
It just begs so many questions that don't seem to

(01:24:56):
have logical and direct answers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Yeah, this isn't his phone got out. This is a specific,
exact call list phone number for this specific moment. He
bought a phone for this weekends. This isn't his self exactly. Yeah,
like I it. Man, You're right about the him moving

(01:25:21):
in a certain way and some of this we're we're
all push back a little bit. He moves this way
because his dad is Dion. He moves this way because
of who he is and who his family is and
who his dad is. So I think he's just built
and made and and kind of condition to have this

(01:25:42):
confidence in general. So I think that's why he moves
like a number one pick. And he was relatively successful
in college, right, had good numbers had, you know, had
relative success whatever. So I think he just moves like
that in general. But at the same time, he did
conduct himself in a manner where, man, he didn't just

(01:26:03):
think I'm going in the first round because I'm shoulder Sanders. Yeah,
he didn't think, hey, all right, didn't work out today,
we thought that might be a possibility tomorrow, It's happening
because I'm should door Sanders. I do believe that at
a certain point, and look, teams can change their minds.
Things change throughout the draft. Trades happened, picks happened where

(01:26:27):
oh we thought this team was going this way. Now
this guy's available, we got to change our plan here, right,
Like of course, like things are going to happen in
a multitude of ways, but it does seem like this
tinfoil hat theory of yours where they were set up
in a way to make them look foolish. I think

(01:26:50):
it's I think it's kind of a confluence of things
like where I think they were lied to on some level.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
M h. I think draft things just happen on some
level to help that the number getting out to like
have this phone call happen is ridiculous. Like that's it.
That's where I that's where I really believe that, Yes,
they on some level, they were set up.

Speaker 9 (01:27:15):
And I would say, like, if if he had been
a third round pick, I wouldn't be trumpeting this agreed, agreed,
if it had just been if he was the seventy
eighth pick in the draft, I wouldn't be blinking twice.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
Yes, to go after the likes of Tyler Shuck, to
go after the likes of Dylan Gabriel. These are guys,
the mill Row, I'm with you, Yeah, the cam Ward,
I'm with Milroe to me was the second best quarterback
in the draft. You know what I can I can

(01:27:48):
see that speat, I see that on cam Ward. I
can see that beat. I can see that. Yeah, Tyler
Shucks had four careers and four season and the injuries. No,
I'm I'm good, I'm good. Yeah, okay now, but like
some of these other ones, I'm good, Like I'm okay here,
Dylan Gabriel is five eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
What's funny, Like I'm in a group chat with some
friends and two of them are the biggest Oregon Ducks fans, right,
like I mean during college football season, like it is
Ducks ducks ducks right right when Dylan Gabriel went before
them and we were tracking this thing throughout Dylan, they
were both like, oh my god, something's up.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yeah, even though we're like nah, man, like this is
too far and so like, it just seems to me
that there is at least some level of And again,
thirty two teams had access to this number. I'd imagine
I was the maximum amount of teams that access to
this number. Right, even though she do or said I'll

(01:28:46):
do this, and just on the drafts, it seemed to
me that there was in day two like an effort
to to really I don't want to phrase I don't
love the phrase because it makes me there's so much
that goes into like just all the racial of all
of it, but like there was something about humbling that

(01:29:11):
crew in a big way because I think that like
when you look at the way that Shiloh Sanders, who
was not viewed as an elite prospect, like he didn't
get invited to the combine, but they hired the same
people that do the combine timing to come out here,
to come out to go out to Colorado to time
him right, because it's like no, no, no, we that

(01:29:34):
they that's say they weren't moving this way with everybody.
You know what I'm saying, Like it wasn't like Silo
was also out there like I'm gonna be a fifth
round pick, so I don't need to do any of
this stuff, it seems. And also the final point on it,
I don't really hold mel Kiper's opinion in high regard
in this stage in the game. But I'll tell you
one person I do, and I don't think it's just

(01:29:54):
out here repeating what he's heard, is Lewis Riddick. And
because Lewis Riddick won jobs in this bit, she wants
to be an NFLGM, he takes take and that's part
of the he takes it seriously for him to come
out here and say nine for Shador and then continually
down rounds two and three, be like, I don't understand
this now, this is all kind of it's leaving a

(01:30:17):
nasty taste in my mouth, especially Friday night. Yes, after
the run on quarterbacks in round three, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:23):
And it's not just the run on quarterbacks. It's like
you said, it's who was taken Milroe fine, and even like, look,
I'm not a Jackson dark guy. I kind of get it,
like he's taking like all right, if you believe.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
And also like I look.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
At it and like, all right, it's the Giants, Like
the Giants traded up to take Jackson Dart, all right,
they kind of get this wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
And and also with the idea the reporting that DoD
Nickshay had where Chador did not have a good interview
with the Giants very well could have been dark shadoor
our chaudor hey, Chador loses the interview. Now we're going
to get Dart absolutely absolutely, Like I get that, But.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Like this is the other thing, right, and you you
mentioned this earlier in the show, is that there's not
a lot of real estate here. The reason there were
only a couple of teams that that that you know,
that were on the Sanders family's radar. There's only a
couple of teams that are really looking for a young
quarterback here because we had that run on quarterbacks in

(01:31:31):
the first round last year and six and the first
fifteen picks. But also this crop of quarterbacks isn't good.
That's the other part.

Speaker 2 (01:31:40):
If we had another crop of quarterbacks as good as
last year's guarantee we'd have a different situation. It's also
that Chador's not that good, Jackson Dart's not that good,
Shuck's not that good. That's that's also the situation. And
they intention I want to say intentionally, but with COVID,

(01:32:03):
with red shirt years, you were able to manipulate your
draft status. Cam Ward would not have been the number
one overall pick last year, not even close. He would
they I mean, first, well, maybe because Greg's airline about
gregs are Greg z arelin'es a kicker, lancs are line. Yeah,
I know we ran a sound earlier in the show.

(01:32:24):
I'm not saying that he is, you know, the say
all end all b all when it comes to quarterbacks.
But I think it was pretty common that people had
cam Ward as the sixth or seventh quarterback in this class.
Six quarterbacks went in the first fifteen pickch last year
was unprecedented. Yeah, generally we're looking at what three four
before maybe before so then maybe you're looking at a
second rounder, you know what I'm saying. And cam Ward, Yeah,

(01:32:46):
but you know, another year, he goes back, he improves,
he has a year at Miami and boom, all of
a sudden, you know, he's the number one overall pick
and people feel good about it. Yeah, you know, it's
just it's just it feels to me that lat like
he didn't do anything like I all of what's all
of the criticisms you will hear of the next seventy

(01:33:07):
two hours are true. He did nothing to help his
draft stocks, His interviews were bad. You know what I'm saying.
The tape was not necessarily all of this. The idea
that the number got leaked to me insinuates that it
is deeper than just that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
And again we're not saying he should have gone first round.
I don't think he should have gone first round. I
don't think he's the first round quarterback even in a
week quarterback class. Absolutely not fifth round. And that number got.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Leaked that we're not talking about what's talking from day
one to day two. We're talking about what's looking from
day two to day three, middle of day three, which
is a massive, massive difference. It's going to be fascinating
to see what happens. But honestly, what's crazy about the
whole thing. If I told you, Zach Carper, close your eyes,
imagine the world that shod door. Sanders starts week off

(01:33:55):
for the Cleveland Browns. You can do it. Absolutely, it's
the Browns, Kenny Pickett's, Dylan Gabriel, Joe Flacco, and Shadora Sanders.
You know, might have to set up and clap for
Andrew Berry because he got a quarterback. If this all
works out. Look, no, if this all works out, it's cheap.
He got a quarterback. You gotta bet everybody on his

(01:34:17):
argo with a second overall pick with the one hundred
and forty fourth and he starts for four. You like that. Congratulations,
you got yourself the next party. I've said, look legitimately, seriously,
that'd be wild. Okay. We just saw Draymond Green get
a technical foul, of course, which means, look out, Houston Rockets,
there will be one of you in a choke hold
by the fourth quarter. We will the score be, How

(01:34:37):
will it all play out? We'll get to that and
just a minute, being Zach, we'll look into it. I'm
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(01:35:19):
top of your screen. Right now, Zach sixteen to fifty
nine and the score two seeds Houston leading seventeen Golden
State without Jimmy Butler in the fold right now, with
four minutes left in the third quarter. Steve Desager will
update us on everything else that's going on about this game.
But just as we're looking at it right now, it
seems to me a game that has been the physicality

(01:35:43):
has been ratcheted up as Steph Curry as a three
and a lot of grabbing, a lot of clutching, and
you look online a lot of clutching of pearls saying
how could you possibly let Steph Curry get guarded like this?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
It's funny, like, man, everybody wants this Steff Curry thing
to still not be real, right, That's how I think,
because like they had this regular season game where Steph
had three points, right, Like, they guard him great and
he had three points. Oh, they're too physical form, they're
too physical form. And in game one of this series,

(01:36:19):
a group chat I'm in with some pretty like pretty
good basketball people, right, they're like, oh, Steph's gonna be
in hell this series. I said, guys, Steph is hell, right,
Like what are you talking about? And he lit them
up and it was right. And he's he's having a great,
great night tonight, right at twenty seven, right now. And
and the thing is like, this isn't new since Davidson. Right,

(01:36:44):
they've been trying to rough him up. You can't do it.
You can do it every once in a while. He's
too good. He's too good. He's been too good since
twenty fourteen to fifteen, and he's going to continue to
be too good until he can't physically do it anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
It reminds me of well, to beat Tom Brady, you
gotta put pressure up the middle. Sure, yeah, yeah, all right,
bet good luck. Yeah, I'll stand double a glat bitch
every single time. But I lose by fifty ye Why
because it does there is no way to beat right,
you know what I'm saying, Like you have to strategize
your team around how your team is gonna be able

(01:37:24):
to try to just like defend this massively unique player. Right.
You talked about it earlier today in the show. The
Warriors run offense different than any other team in the
NBA because you just look at it. It's a lot
of pick and roll three and D guy standing in corners,
you know, a lot of stagnant, stagnant let's oh swing, swing, rotate. Oh,

(01:37:48):
let's call a pick on this side. Oh, we gotta
get a switch, Gotta get a switch. The Warriors are
so concerned and defenses are so concerned with Steph Curry's
off ball movement because he does and stop, it doesn't stop.
He's relentless. And so as a result of that, like
there is no the strategy I thought the Rockets would

(01:38:08):
have had to enforce here is you just got to
try to hold him the one shot and get the
rebound and play defense. Because like the idea of limiting
his shot attempts is gonna be brutal. You can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:21):
And the funny thing is, like you will see this
all the time of like how do you let him
get open? He gets open, right, there's nothing like you've
been trying to stop that forever. He's gonna get open.
He's just too smart. They're too smart. You can try
to limit that. The way you do it is you
just limit everybody else. That's why them getting Jimmy Butler

(01:38:42):
with such a problem, because now you got another dude
who's really smart but can score the ball, right, Like
that's the thing, Like Draymond's really smart, Like Draymond's a genius,
but like, but he can't score.

Speaker 2 (01:38:53):
The viral tweet went a few years ago, everybody's a
gangster til Draymond starts shooting threes. Yeah, you know, I
have several memories of viral tweets about Draymond, like Draymond
looks like he's shooting the door Explorer backpack on. Yes,
all of these still true, Yeah, still true, Like Draymond
is a genius and everything that isn't scoring right, But

(01:39:13):
when you add Jimmy, Jimmy is one.

Speaker 3 (01:39:17):
A dude who loves that pressure. Oh yeah, he is
a genius when it comes to basketball. He is a
guy that just understands the instincts of what it takes.
Now you've put the three of them together, and it's why,
all of a sudden you can start considering, like, all right,
if they're healthy, this is a championship caliber team. Doesn't
mean they will win it all. But before this team

(01:39:39):
wasn't that good. It was Steph Curry trying to drag
them to maybe the playoffs. And Steph is so good
at doing chaos, like he creates chaos in a way.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
That you can't plan for. The Rockets are one of
the best defensive team teams in the league. They are
great at it. They are physical, they're in your face.
They don't have a weakness defensively. There's not a person
they put on the floor who can't defend and can't
defend on the perimeter. Am and Thompson some people voted
him Defensive Player of the Year. Fred van Vliet great defender,

(01:40:18):
Jalen Green good in the in the system, has to
be a good defender. Dylan Brooks irritant good defender like
Shane Goon, surprisingly good defender for how slow he is.
All that stuff. They can't stop him from getting shots.
You just can't. He's too good at it. What you
gotta do is hope buddy Healed has no idea what

(01:40:39):
he's doing. They can't shoot. And that's why Jimmy Butler
just wanted to dribble. He's gonna give the ball away
if he does. And see that's it. I'm sitting here
just looking at the box score and I know, obviously
the box scorers are not necessarily the end all be
all when you're evaluating this type of stuff. But just saw,
in conjunction with a stat that that Steph has a

(01:41:01):
scored or assisted on eleven of Golden States last thirteen,
and depending on how that last play shakes out, looks
like thirteen to the last fifteen. And I'm looking here,
Draymond Green's taking ten shots, made two of them. That's
where if Draymond's taken five shots and makes two of them,
and then we have Jimmy coming in scoring twenty points
on ten shots in seventeen free throw you know what

(01:41:22):
I'm saying. All right, now, we're cooking with dad, right
And so that's I agree with you in that one
hundred percent. If they not be able to do that,
And I think that if Draymond as good as he
is and as smart as he is, we're the same
age I played against him in high school. And the
thing that has Steph or the how do I want

(01:41:46):
to phrase this, I think that when you are a
player that gets to an advanced age past thirty three,
thirty four to thirty five, you have to have an
elite skill that keeps you on the court. Kevin Durant
can rise and shoot on anybody who's over six eight.
I'm under six eight. That will keep him out there
until he decides he doesn't want to play anymore. Steph
Curry can hit three pointers from the other free throw line.

(01:42:06):
That will keep him out there until he decides he
does not want to play anymore. Right, like a guy,
like even like a Lebron at his age. You saw
him tire out a little bit down the stretch in
the fourth quarter, but even at forty his athleticism, he
is one of the top two three athletic players on
the court any moment in time. Right, Draymond was his

(01:42:28):
brain like, that was his elite skill. Very good defender,
but more so because he knew where to be, not
because he's some outrageous athlete I played. I don't think
I'm telling to us at school. He was three hundred
pounds in high school, you know what I'm saying, Like
he was when Michigan State was two seventy. As a freshman,
I played the Draymond Green. I was playing AGAs high school.

(01:42:49):
Couln't run all the way down to court, but was
scoring fifty points. It didn't matter, right And so now,
but you saw so I said, it's never been a
high flyer, never been an incredible athlete on an NBA level.
But you know I had size, had height, had the weight,
had the ability. It was his brain got to figure
it out that got him to be where he was.

(01:43:11):
And now at thirty four, thirty five years old, I
wonder you can think all the same stuff like I was.
I think I'm about to go dunk, and then when
I don't leave the ground when I jump, you know,
this is what that happened. I had a moment today.

Speaker 3 (01:43:27):
You know it was raining, uh and uh there was
a river where the gutter used to be sure and
so I had to jump across this river, oh yeah,
to clear it so I could get in my car.
And I had I had a coffee in my hand.
I was like, I can make this jump. I'm good, right,

(01:43:47):
And I'm like all right, I'm waiting for the cars
to go by, and I'm like, all right, I can
make this jump.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
I can make this jump.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
I'm like, man, I'm not as like for some reason,
I'm not as confident, like this is a wide river here,
like I don't know why this is so wide. And
so I made the jump and I did make it,
but then the coffee exploded as I landed, and I
feel like because I had to jump so hard, I
didn't have the cushion to and then man, my sweatshirt

(01:44:14):
got coffee all over it. My pants had coffee all
over it. And I thought, oh, I'm an old man. Yeah,
because you know what, ten fifteen years ago, I would
have landed so softly, That's what it is. It would
have landed so softly. Not a drop would have come
out of that coffee loop.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Your knees would have been impact in a different way.
I landed like concrete and see like so and I
obviously as as as much as I just said here
and knocked on Jamon Green's athleticism, he has more athleticism
and his pinky toe than I have in my entire body. Right,
So when I compare the two, it's just literally because
I actually played against him in high school in Michigan.

(01:44:52):
But I see him with that gray hair on his
beard and think, Man, it's gotta be hard to get
up every day. It's gotta be hard to aene me
physically difficult to get up to bring yourself to that level.
And when he and when his elite trait is being
a pest, yeah, that makes it that much harder. Well,

(01:45:13):
let's go ahead now and kick it over to Steve
de Seger for what's trending in this game. Buddy heal
with they jump shot. If only dubbles one, Steve, he's
not that.

Speaker 8 (01:45:21):
Bad, actually, Buddy healed four of eight from three point range. Now,
and Golden State's only down two in the final minute
of the third quarter. They're at home against Houston. This
first round NBA Playoff series is tied at one, Houston
up seventy one sixty nine.

Speaker 2 (01:45:36):
For the moment.

Speaker 8 (01:45:37):
By the way, the Warriors have now been held under
twenty points in the first quarter in each of the
first three games of a series for the first time
in the shot clock era, and yet they still have
a chance to go up two games to one with
a mild comeback in this one Steph Curry with twenty
seven points so far. Earlier, Denver won on a dunk
at the buzzer by Aaron Gordon, beating the Clippers in

(01:45:59):
LA one oh one one to ninety nine. The Clips
were down twenty to start the fourth and still lost
series tied at two. Oklahoma City best in the NBA
this year, now seventy two and fourteen the overall record.
They just completed a four game sweep winning at Memphis
today one seventeen one fifteen. Cleveland, top seed in the East,
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Miami one twenty four to eighty seven for the Heat,
the franchise is worst ever playoff loss to the NHL.
It's an overtime victory for Ottawa to stay alive. They're
down three games to one after a win at home
against Toronto four to three. Tampa Bay a five to
one winner at Florida Vegas in overtime one at Minnesota
four to three. Colorado's out to a two to zhing

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lead on the Stars late in the first period to
major League Baseball. The Dodgers have just tied it up
against Pittsburgh three to three. They're onto the top of
the six now at Roki s Saki on the bound
raised lead three to one at San Diego bottom of
the sixth and a nice comeback for the Braves. They're
up seven to six at Arizona, top of the ninth.
That Atlanta scored two in the seventh three in the
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from Ayu Henneo Suarez of the Diamondbacks, who has nine
home runs this season despite a batting average of one
to ninety four. Earlier, Detroit swept a doubleheader from Baltimore
and Charlie Morton in one of those games, took the
loss in relief former starter as Oh and six this
season now era over ten for Baltimore on his one year,
fifteen million dollar contract. Cleveland split two with Boston. They

(01:47:30):
liked the Detroit series. They played two today after a
rainout on Friday. Kansas City two nothing over Houston. Mets
won two nothing at Washington. Cincinnati won at Colorado six'.
Four The rockies are four and twenty two by the Way,
Yankees toronto reigned out The university Of. Colorado Quarterback Shader
sanders was drafted in the fifth round by The. Browns,

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today defensive Back Shiloh sanders From colorado signed With Tampa.
Bay undrafted in round number, Seven indiana Quarterback Curtis warld
to the forty Nine. Ers quarterback From texas Quinn ewers
to The Miami. Dolphins the final selection by The patriots
a compensatory. Pick defensive back For Memphis Kobe. Minor bryson
De shamba leads the live golf event In mexico by

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one stroke again At Golden state's end of Three rockets
lead The warriors seventy one sixty.

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off of the. Air so the draft started. Early we
knew Cam wore was gonna be number one overall, pick
but then two seemed let nobody knew anything that was
happening as The Jacksonville jaguars trade up For Travis hunter
with The Cleveland browns and get, a you, know a
two way. Player was that the most surprising thing that

(01:49:03):
happened in the? Draft to? You? Or should Door falling
more surprising now that it's all? Over? Yeah what? You
what do? YOU i mean what you? Know what put
a flag up?

Speaker 7 (01:49:13):
On?

Speaker 3 (01:49:13):
YEAH i think shaudor falling has falling to fot into
the fifth? Round, sure, right that that has to be
the most surprising, thing just based on everything that was
reported and assumed and everything, like that's gotta be the
number one story of it. All The hunter, trade it's.
NOT i don't think it's surprising that that that someone

(01:49:37):
traded up to, Two BUT I i am a little surprised.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
That it Was.

Speaker 3 (01:49:41):
Jacksonville i'm with, You, YEAH i know you're out on this.
DEAL i do like the deal for. THEM i do
think you've gotta you've gotta like jolt something here into
this because this was two years ago it looked Like
jacksonville was doing something, sure and and then last year

(01:50:01):
was a disaster for for a bunch of, reasons BUT
i don't THINK i don't think they're as bad as last.
Year and whether or not he's going to be a
two way player in any, Capacity LIKE I i THINK
i would rather him be a star receiver than a star.
CORNERBACK i THINK i think THAT i think that matters.

(01:50:24):
MORE i think you're a better impact player as a star.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
Receiver.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
RIGHT i think giving that To Trevor lawrence helps you
figure out is this the? Guy is this the franchise
guy that that that we assume that he's going to.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Be would have loved to have figured that out before
making him for the highest paid. Quarterbacks, sure but but you.
Can but you can also get out of, that, Right
LIKE i mean you.

Speaker 3 (01:50:50):
Could you can eat, it you can trade, it you
could like some like look there's the dead cat money and.
Everything but also there's gonna be teams that would, say,
well we, could we could use, him we, could we
could send something for. Him it's not gonna be great
to miss on. That but but you can do something with.
That and and If Travis hunter does help solidify, that

(01:51:15):
you've got a great number, one number two receiver set up.
There sure you've got. It you've GOT i think a
running game that you can figure out and believe. In,
okay and now you've got an offense that can put
points on the.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Board and then all, right we'll figure out the. Defense
And i'll say from that, Though and you, know maybe
figuring out the defense was Drafting Travis. Hunter, sure, yeah
maybe that was. It it just for, Me i'm doubt
at least That i'm out on the. MOVE i am
not out On Travis hunter the. Player, right it's a
lot to give. Up it's a lot to give up
for a team that has a lot of questions to. Answer,

(01:51:54):
sure if you had told me, again like If Kansas,
city for, example had Drafted Travis hunter, somehow a team
that ye's the wide receiver and also could use a quarnerbat,
right you know What i'm. Saying, YEAH i was, like,
okay but that's a team Like Travis. Hunter to me
feels like the whipped cream on top of The. Sunday,
yeah you know What i'm, Saying, like you need to
have the dice, cream the chocolate, sauce the, banana and

(01:52:16):
then you Drop Travis hunter and he takes your team
from A b minus to AN a. SURE i don't
know If Travis hunker take your team from A d
to A b. Minus. Sure, now the bet That James
gladstone's making The JAGUARS gm and the bet that you
think is you, know a good. One that's why they
trade their first round pick next, year, Right they they're
gonna be. Good, yeah they think we're trading away the

(01:52:38):
twenty fifth or best or worst pick in the draft
to make this. Move my only fear, IS i hope
you didn't trade away the first. One if it's a
top ten. Pick.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Yikes, yeah especially if it's the first, Pick oh my,
god that's gonna be a. Disaster. AGAIN i just like injuries.
ASIDE i don't think THAT i don't think they're as
bad as last, year especially in that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:02):
DIVISION i don't think so. EITHER i think also would
be interesting to see What houston. Does houston has kind
of to say they've ran the. Division they have more
won the division by default over the last two. Years
somebody's gotta win, it you, know and so that's kind
of how it's been In. Houston it felt like now
year one felt a little bit better than last. Year

(01:53:22):
with your rookie QUARTERBACK. Cj, stroud and all, That but
that seem was a three win team three years. Ago
so just to show you it can change. Quickly and
to your, point if you think you've got a guy
that can lead, you like excuse, me you have you
can't make this move without a. Quarterback it's one of
the reasons WHY i wondered Whether Travis hunter would be

(01:53:45):
a good pick for The. Browns, right it's one of
the reasons why we did this math all year of
well is It Travis? Hunter or should do? It because
the quarterback is so? Important, RIGHT i don't make this
move without a. Quarterback jacksonville and you know, what to their,
credit because if you are these, guys you shouldn't take this. Job.
Right if you don't think That Trevor lawrence is this,

(01:54:06):
guy absolutely so more power to. You i'll tell you
what fortune favors the. Bolt we'll see if this turns
out to be fortunate for The. Jaguars but coming up
next to the old man baby face of assassin just
did it. Again you see the best player left in the.
Postseason we'll get to that in just a. Minute Martin
Weis's Zach Harper Fox Sports radio coming to you live

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looking The Warriors rockets game winding down with just under
seven minutes left in the fourth. Quarter So i'm looking
ahead a little bit now to. This this one will
be two to one either. WAY i think The rockets
may pull this one out when it's all said and.
Done but like you, Said, Steph curry is. Incredible we

(01:55:33):
have four series that are two to one that resume Tomorrow, Knicks, Pistons, Lakers, Timberwolves,
Magic celtics And Bucks pacers out of the three that Aren't,
magic don't do that To. Magic come, on, man which
of these series do you think has a better? Show

(01:55:55):
ARE i don't want to phrase, this which goes up
in a commanding three to one, LEAD i Think Pacers?

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Bucks, OKAY i know The bucks had a great second
half and really really took it to The. Pacers The
pacers have pretty much owned them the last two.

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Seasons, yes and.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
The pacers have been the fourth best team in the
league Since january.

Speaker 2 (01:56:18):
FIRST i feel like this is non, scientific but it feels,
right So i'm going to go with. It The pacers
have owned them since the fifty point game ball. Incident,
yes like since like it feels right since. Then just
About it's one hundred percent correct All indy and This
indie turnaround in twenty twenty. Five it's not just, offense

(01:56:38):
like they've been a top ten defense like this team.
Is this team is capable of ruining this Cave Celtics
Eastern Contege. FINALS i was just about to ask, YOU
i think it's much better than the team that was
in the conference finals last.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
Year Tyres halliburn's playing incredible, basketball like this team just
is a lot more, Confident they're a lot more well,
rounded and they just they have embraced their. Identity SO
i think The pacers will win. Tomorrow AND i just
don't think This bucks team is very good in terms
of playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
BASKETBALL i get. THAT i, mean When giannis is, scoring
we had thirty six and the team scored eighty. Six,
yeah and your next highest scorer IS Aj green off the,
bench who was not A Cincinnati bengals ride. Receiver it's
not That Aj, green not THAT Aj. Greene All. Right
so the other, two to, me two of the more

(01:57:29):
intriguing first round series that we've had Absolutely nick the
three six match up both Sides Nick, Pistons, Lakers, timberwolves
both of Those knicks with a two to one, Lead
minnesota with a two to one. Lead if you have
to predict one of these to go three to one
of the two, was would you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:47):
Probably Knicks pistons just because of the youth of The.
PISTONS i agree, With AND i don't like it. ONE i,
KNOW i know you don't like, that BUT i do.
THINK i, mean The knicks are you, know The knicks
aren't exactly the most stable team.

Speaker 2 (01:58:00):
Here, right like they like they.

Speaker 3 (01:58:02):
They can you can get in their, head AND i
think The pistons have at, times but learning how to
even win at home in the, playoffs there's a process
to it, right, right and and we've seen The pistons
kind of get inside their own heads and kind of
lose control of of big moments in game so, far
which is. Fine like this is a team that shouldn't
be here based on how they were last. Season they've

(01:58:24):
taken incredible strides and even if they lose for to
one in this, series you have to feel great about
where they are and how much they've grown. UP i
also just THINK i think This Lakers wolves, THING i
THINK i thought it was going to be two two
after four, Anyway, okay SO i think THAT i don't
Expect luca to still have the bubble. GUTS i think
he's going to be fine In game. FOUR i think

(01:58:45):
he'll play really. Well he loves Torturing wolves, fans AND
i expect them to even it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:49):
Up So i'm leaning in there as. Well but the
thing with The Knixt, pistons for, Me i'm starting AND
i am far FROM i would have voted for The
coach of The Year So i'm not KNOCKING. Jb bickerstaff at,
all but in some of these late game runs that
The knicks have been, on it's kind Of i've BEEN.
Jb you're, watching, Buddy, YEAH, jb you're, There Like, bickerstaff

(01:59:14):
it's time to wake, up you, know do something like
you like you're poking a stick at the. Rock do
something because this is a young team that doesn't have this.
Experience and THEN i look in and be, like, oh
you know he Did cleveland's four. Seed now they're the one. Seed,
okay well maybe it's like is he a really good?

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
Coach but, YEAH i mean for me last, GAME i get.
It he's got long, arms he's a. PEST i was,
like you want to Take Dennis shrewder off Of Jalen.
Brunson he's getting, torched. Right put a big, guy like
put a Put. THOMPSON i, know Like Amin thompson was
in foul trouble to Put kate on. Him put someone
who's six.' Six jaylen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Brunston is like five to eleven, because like the offense
to me has been a lot of brunts, and pump
fake brunts and penetrate four to three until game the
first Half of game Three With carl towns, WAS like, i,
know y'all you're gonna call me, a, punk right but
it's right there.

Speaker 3 (02:00:08):
For them put a six to six Guy. On brunton
see what happens in the. Fourth quarter he still might. Do,
it honestly make that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:13):
The key put a six to sixth Guy, On brunton
put a six sixth Guy, on towns and then you'd
be good to go. To short figure, it out? All
right coming Up Next aaron Torres And. JASON martin i
know they're the best college football wrap up show in,
the LONGEST so i know they have takes on. This draft.
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