Mike Harmon and Bucky Brooks tackle the NIL beef between Jimbo Fisher and Nick Saban, the NBA Conference Finals and much more!

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Bucky Brooks at Bucky Brooks on Twitter. What's going on, Buddy,
what's going on? What's happening? How you doing? Oh? So
much going on in our great sporting universe, driving as
we do all over the place in our kids athletics pursuits.
So we got that over the course of the weekend.
Had my surgery midweek, so, you know, riding the lightning
of pain thresholds. So that's kind of a fun little

(00:44):
thing to do. Yeah, I don't I don't know if
it's a fun little thing to do. It's the thing
that you have to do. Yeah. Yeah, we're just grinding
through it. Yeah, that's it. So I've got this giant
club which is weighing down. So eventually my shoulders just
gonna be yoked from hearing this thing around. But we're
here out a beautiful Sundays. So much going on in
the Sporting Universe, UH Soccer F one, uh more, NBA Playoffs,

(01:09):
full slate of Major League Baseball. All sorts of fun
and excitement going on, Bucky. But you know, in the background,
you've always got some great NFL stories where links and
will get to some of those, the Jimbo Fisher, Nick Saban,
Dion Sanders story. We'll have to U revisit a few
times over the course, because I mean, there's there's a
lot to unpack in some of what said, some what's

(01:32):
not and some misconstrued things I think from media jumping
on word choice or maybe not jumping on word choice,
because they're they're smart guys. They know how they're going
at this. So we'll we'll get into that. N I
l the next level if we were going to do
a Star Star Trek extension uh and add another to

(01:52):
the long catalog there. But the NBA Playoffs last night,
I I saw the lamentation after the early blowout scenario
was starting to unfold with the Heat taking up a
huge point lead, absolute beat down of the Boston Celtics
until it wasn't. Jimmy Butler leaves all of a sudden

(02:14):
the Celtics I of the Tiger battle back in front
of the home crowd. You've got the Marcus Smart coming
out of the locker room, I mean, and the way
they showed it on television and might as well have
been something straight out of you know, UFC ring Entrances
or w w E backstage pass. Oh who's getting ready
to come? And and there he is. But the Heat

(02:35):
survived one oh nine, one oh three. Jimmy Butler says
he's not gonna miss any extended time, but it was nice,
nice to see some remnants of the old dam at
a Bio show up for the Miami Heat and to
to put some toughness back in he p J. Tucker.
It's kind of funny, you know, both both teams Bucky

(02:56):
in this series. We go back to Game two when
Smart now Horford played and all of a sudden, you've
just got a very different mentality playing likewise with the Heat.
You know, p J. Tucker and Kyle Lowry aren't aren't
names that are gonna frighten anybody right now, but man,
they really showed up and and offered an awful lot
to the just physicality of things and an extension of

(03:18):
what Jimmy Butler brings before his exit. Yeah, I think
that's one thing that you always know about both of
these scenes. But the Miami Heat in particular, uh, playing
hard is their calling card. They can play with a
level of toughness and physicality that makes you uncomfortable as
the other team, and so if you're not willing to
meet force with force, they're gonna bully you. And I

(03:38):
feel like after Jimmy Butler went out, I think they
even ratted it up another level. You know. The funny
thing about the Heat is they tend to do this right.
They'll play great, then they may deliver a stinker, but
then they bounced back and there's a level of toughness
and resilience that they always display when they're in between
the lines. I think we gotta got a little glimpse
of that. Now. The issue is how long is Jimmy

(04:01):
Butler going to be out? Because we saw how they
were holding off for dear life in this game. I
don't know if they can win the series without Jimmy
Butler despite all the things that I love about them
when it comes to their toughness, their tenacity, and how
hard they play on both ends of the floor. Yeah,
as of now the expectation that is that he's available,
but we we know that could just be pr spin

(04:23):
of al right, push it off until we have something
more official to work with. So certainly that is something
to watch, as you do have a guy that's been
able to to heat it up, and certainly in the playoffs,
has been a different player in his career. One of
those great studies of the sports psychology of it all.
I think when you get to to Jimmy Butler, but
yet twenty three turnovers by the Celtics in the second half.

(04:48):
Jayson Tatum six turnovers, zero field goals. He did leave
the game briefly with what looked like a shoulder issue,
so we'll see what happens there. His quote, Honestly, I've
got to play better. I feel I like I left
guys hanging tonight, and that's on me. You also had
Jalen Brown who had a monster game with his forty points,

(05:10):
but he also had seven turnovers, so you know, they
had just a ridiculous night and some of them were just, hey,
we're picking your pocket, right turnovers. Normally it's all right,
the ball sales ahead of a fast break, the guy
rotates and there's nobody home as you're trying to kick
it back out. In this case, it's all right, dribble,
dribble and get caught in a bad spot and just

(05:32):
active hands and takeaways, which you know oftentimes will lead
to foul opportunities and fall shooting in this case led
to a lot of frustration on the hands of the
Boston Celtics and the home crowd. I love that it
got to to a fight, though, Bucky, because you know
everybody was immediately going, all right, ha ha, what am
I gonna watch? There's so many cool movies on cable tonight,

(05:56):
and then all of a sudden, the game of game again.
I was like, all right, I guess we should complain.
Just tune back in in an hour, right, set a timer,
watch a show, maybe catch a couple of your favorite sitcoms,
and then circle back and just see where we're at.
Because for the NBA Playoffs, as much as we've had blowouts,
we certainly have had those big runs to get back
into games to where suddenly it's of interest at least

(06:17):
for a moment. Yeah, I think I think the playoffs
have been great this year. One we're kind of devoid
of the stars or Lebron James and some of the
notable names Kevin Duran, Kyrie River and those guys aren't
in it. Uh yet. We have the old guard in
terms of the Golden State Warriors. But even looking at
that team, they have a bunch of young talent, Pool
and Looney and some of the guys that are kind

(06:39):
of coming off the bench and giving them energy. And
so you have a new list of names and new
cast of characters that are playing in prime roles. And
then seeing the Miami Heat on this stage in the
Dallas Mavericks with Luca nic and some of those guys.
To me, it's been terrific, and the unpredictability of the
postseason has has made it maybe more enjoyable to watch.

(07:00):
I would say that this is the most fun that
I've had watched an NBA basketball in a long time,
and a lot of it stands on the fact that
I have no idea what is going to happen when
we click on. I appreciate the the chaos of it all, right,
I joke all the time with Smith, right, chaos in
between the white lines. Now doesn't mean that I'm still
not gonna watch a game and shake my head wondering

(07:20):
what the officiating is and sometimes the reviews for is
something rising to the level of a flagrant fall. It's
really kind of hit, uh, a very dangerous spot, like
where there's so many stoppages of players, Like, really, all right,
it's a fall. It's the playoffs. A guy got hit
in the head going in for a layup, and why

(07:41):
are we always looking like guys are trying to closeline
him an audition for a slot you know on on
Friday Night SmackDown. But I guess you know you're trying
to make sure the game's safer. And you know the
NFL to a degree, right, they're reviewing everything, and you'll
often get the pink slip in your locker a couple

(08:01):
of days later. It's like what I wasn't even flags Like, yeah,
they reviewed it, uh, and they came back and got you.
But I do uh. You know your point about all
the the new blood, right steps a guy that is
embracing a little of the old guard. I'm back on
the big stage. I'm gonna dance, I'm gonna sing, and
I'm gonna do the sleepy time, you know antics wherever

(08:22):
I can. When I make a big shot and then
you've got Draymond Green, who's really maximizing his screen time
and gives you the edge. Now, he's also one to
start fighting with all the media guys about play and
interpretations there, which is fine. Hey, you gotta prepare for
that post post playing career, there's no question. But Luca

(08:46):
is a guy that that we watch and and I'm
wondering if he's not going to be the next guy
that goes from We love watching Luca too. Luca winds
a lot, and you know he's gonna be memorable because
of the facial expressions in teams, at officials and opposing players. So,
but it's good for business when you've got new stars,

(09:06):
but it means you've got to keep building right and
keep telling those tales because they're not so ready made. Right.
The Warriors is a nice easy package, right, you can
send someone that that's the assignment. The rest is all right.
How do you make everybody else on the Mavericks beyond
Luca interesting and new and exciting? Right? Jalen Bronson having
himself a great playoff run, everybody's looking for all right,

(09:28):
who's gonna pay him an awful lot of money? I
would imagine Mark Huban's gonna try to cut up a
really big check, just just me, but doesn't mean that
there's not more. And Boston, I think people are waiting
to be the next team over that we watched during
the regular season. I don't know that people gravitated to
the heat. It's like, all right, that's they're not exciting,
they're interesting and if you like physical basketball, you know

(09:52):
you're gonna you're gonna watch a slug fest for But
it's it's building those that next round of guys, which
is funny because most of the names that you threw
out in terms of the big guys that aren't here
in the playoffs. On the periphery, there's still some of
the big storylines as I wrote up, you know, a
grid of things that we could talk about today. There's
still Lebron because of the Lakers coaching search. There's Kyrie

(10:16):
and and Harden and all these guys are in the
news right A. Mari Stotomyer had his takedown a week
ago and that's resonated through this last week. So you know,
the guys are still on the periphery and still being
talked about. But it is that winning time of year,
and so now it's trying to take advantage of the
schedule and promote the hell out of all the new players. Yeah, no,

(10:38):
it is taking advantage of the schedule and promote um
the new players try and create some some energy, and
you write about how long before people grow tired of
look at Nazis and some of the other new stars.
But I kind of like this because you're getting a
mix of old and new. You get in the mix
of like some of your traditionalists, you're old school powers,

(11:00):
like the Boston Celtics being there. Um, you're seeing those
stars in Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown, Marcus Smart has kind
of become a star because he's the master flopper, defensive
specialists who understands how to get up under the skin
of the opponents and think with the Miami Heat man,
it's all about like what pat Riley has established during
his time there when it tells the Heat coach and

(11:20):
people kind of snicker at the notion of the Heat
doing things a little differently than everybody else. But I
don't know how you can explain some of these guys
that um come out of relative relative nanimity to be
stars for this team. And then on the other side,
you know, like the Warriors. It's funny because the watching
them kind of walk down the Mavericks the other night.

(11:43):
It wasn't Steph Curry, Clay and Draymond that did it.
It was the newbies, the young guys, and so they
only have four guys that remained from their great run,
but they're there. They've kind of put that championship DNA
stamp on the young guys, and the young guys are
running with it. And what we're looking at, maybe right
in front of our eyes, is the reincarnation of the

(12:03):
Warriors dynastic run that could be happening with the young
guys kind of taking the baton from the whole guys
and allowing his team to make a glorious run. Yeah,
the words, we'll get into them a little a little more.
We've got another game coming up later on tonight. But yeah,
you talk about Looney with his twenty one and twelve
having a big day. The fact that the Mavericks are

(12:23):
shooting so many three point shots means Steph Curry's at
the leader board for rebounding in each game, which gotta
fun to watch, right, the little guy kind of sneaking
into traffic, but Jordan Pools, a guy that's all year long,
has done it for him when Clay was out, uh
and obviously when Steph was out, Draymond missing sometimes. So
he's been a guy that's been a rallying point twenty

(12:44):
three points in game two, uh and watching him developed.
So now it becomes the question of what's that next,
the next generation of it. But certainly they they've got
the core. And we talk about institutional greatness because you
and I talked about it in the end and NFL
all the time, Bucky and talking about heat culture, talking

(13:05):
about the Warriors, like all right, we know how we
do things. Doesn't mean you're always rising to the top,
but you're bringing in guys and obviously there's going to
be a lot to the giant algorithm. And when you
add health factors in for superstars, well that changes the
game immensely, particularly in the NBA. Right next man up
is a much more difficult proposition on a short bench,

(13:28):
but it's looking at going forward, you know. For the NBA,
I think it's time to start appreciating that because it
really does put the microscope, you know, more so on
organizations that were once great, like the Lakers of all right,
what changed? Is it just Dr Jerry Buss's voice right now? Yes,
they got their title. I get it. They got their title.

(13:51):
Uh in Florida during the shortened season in the bubble.
I don't want to call it the bubble Championship because
that's the pejorative of it. You still have to win,
but you still have to make things happen. So Uh,
in that single singular instance, that singular season, they were
equipped to make it happen. But every other year has

(14:12):
been a desperate climb. You know, Like I've heard the
analogy and they used it in winning time with uh
John c Riley's Jerry Buss character. It's like, you know,
the the duck or goose or whatever whatever, as you know,
looks calm above the water, but underneath you see the legs,
right just you see it, the frantic effort to stay

(14:34):
stay above and keep paddling forward. And that's kind of
what you get a little more of a glimpse of
with some of these franchises versus all right, just move forward.
So it's it's just the curiosity of the business and
ebb and flow of the sport. But I've been entertained
as hell I'd like less stoppages for the files, but
if that's the only thing I've got to grape on,

(14:56):
I think we're doing okay. Yeah, this look that the
officiating has still left something to be desired. But in
terms of the game play now, it's been good. I
mean it's been good. I I do like the fact
that they've allowed a little more physicality, not quite the
eighties and nineties basketball, but enough where you're seeing people
have to kind of fight through the rests to be

(15:17):
able to make buckets. And I think in the postseason
it should be a little more difficult because you want
to see the stars play like stars. You want to
see people rise to a different level, and we're not
only seeing stars do that, but we've seen some role
players come off the bench at certain times and have
big games. And so to me, that is what the
excitement of the playoffs is all about. It's about the

(15:38):
Drama's about the soap Oper's about who is going to
be the star of the night, uh, the unexpected star,
and so we've seen all those things, and with the
parody that we're now seeing in the league, we're getting
fresh faces first teams. I think it's overall been a
great experience, great opportunity for the league to capitalize more stars.
As you talk about Memphis, we saw it with John Moran,

(15:58):
some of the other star turns. As we push forward
and try to figure out, you know, because we always
have to ask the who's next question, Bucky and all
these sports uh, And that's what we're doing a little
bit in college football. Yeah, who's next? The players and
n I L and bouncing around the transfer portal and
everything else. But what stays the same the big name

(16:18):
head coaches and a couple of them decided, hey, let's
throw some barbs. Let's get after it. I want to
get him in the ring. But we'll talk about Jimbo Fisher.
We'll talk about Nick Saban and college sports and the
ever changing landscape and those that really just want to
keep it where it was. Open the door because things
are changing. Mike Garment alongside Bucky Brooks with you here.

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(18:26):
p g A Championship third round underway, we'll get into
tiger Woods withdrawal in about twenty minutes because we'll have
some TV withdrawal. I think a little bit with him
off the course, but it speaks to a larger part
of events at this point for the p g A.
But uh, the main event over the course of the
week Bucky College football. N I L application and a

(18:51):
lot of finger wagging from people, and also I think
people looking for a word that was never said, particularly
from Nick Saban when he called out A and M
and he would later say, well I shouldn't have singled
them out. Well, no, they beat you in the recruiting rankings.
So when you're trying to convince your boosters your collective

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because I like that the word collective is like now
n C double A mafia is kind of what it
sounds like to me. We gotta go to our collective
and we gotta we gotta get our protections i e. R.
Giant bags of cash to go compete in this new
world order. But when when Nick Saban calls out A
and M, you know, saying, hey, they bought their players

(19:35):
and we didn't buy any and it's a new world Well,
guys got paid that. We're part of the Alabama program. Right,
So let's not you know, Bury Bury the lead there,
but you know we're we're looking at Nick Saban. His
follow up was, quote, it's gotten completely out of control
when it's not a sustainable model, to the point where
you've got these attorneys agents calling collectives and saying, pay

(19:57):
my player a hundred thousand dollars a year, and then
they at their piece of that, and everybody wants cut.
Of course, nobody does the whole altruism thing that folks
try to say, Hello, I'm just doing it for the
good Nick. No, you're getting something in return, if nothing else,
you're gonna get an acknowledgement somewhere of hey, you're the
guy that brought in the guy. There's no question. And

(20:19):
then you had Jimbo Fisher, who started really going after it, saying,
I know Nick Saban, right, they coached down the same
staff and all that. I know Nick Saban, you know,
some people think of themselves as God. Really some great rhetoric.
And but what he didn't do was, even though he's
claiming he knows where all everything is and where all
he's got all the receipts, he didn't offer any Nor

(20:41):
did anybody at that press conference have the stones to say, hey, um,
all right, Jimbo, we all have our tape recorders on.
Please what do you got? Yeah? No, I mean, look it.
It was a very contentious uh back and forth between
Nick Saban, U, Jimbo Fish and even out Sanders because
Nick Saban kind of lured them in there. I think

(21:03):
what's funny about this entire conversation is Alabama had the
second best sank It ranked recruiting class, and yet he's
whining about what Texas and him was able to accomplish
because they were first. Now, there's definitely a correlation between
the rankings of your recruiting classes and a few years

(21:23):
later in terms of how your team plays. Um, the
last few years we've seen top break recruiting classes end
up having championships Alabama and Georgia respectively, And so Nick
Saban doesn't want to concede any ground in the recruiting landscape,
and so he kind of put this out not necessarily
for UH, Jimbo and Dion, but so his boosters, his

(21:46):
money people, they understand clearly what is needed to ensure
that Alabama remains on the top of this college football
and escape, well that's the larger thing, right that I
think was lost and everybody getting inside, Oh they're throwing
an acres was the type of event that he was at,
and I'm guessing the question was, you know, and something
he'd heard was, you know, how did we you know,

(22:08):
slip and recruiting all the way down to number two? Uh?
And so he in a room of people that are
you know, shaking his hand and patting him on the
back for all the success, decided, all right, well here's
my telecoon appeal for you know, this is the way
the game has changed and we need to be part

(22:28):
of it. So A and M gets singled out right
with Dion Sanders and Jackson State. I think that everybody
knows more about the businesses going on right sitting UH
College to college. Then then they'll share publicly obviously because

(22:48):
we you know, we know there's a lot going on
trying to make these things happen. But a lot of
the stuff with Jackson State was media reports. So I
mean Nick could hide behind Yeah, I just read articles
like everybody else, right, so hey, this this is what
we were told was going on, this is what bar
stool was offering, and that what they said they were

(23:09):
putting up and whatever else. So you know, you can
you can do it that way and that, and Nick
can hide a little bit beyond that. But you've got
a guy that has all these titles, a guy that's
had this great run of success. If anybody is going
to have the gravitas and the ability to raise their
hand and say, all right, what are we doing without

(23:29):
really fearing a loss of reputation and certainly uh tenuous
employment opportunities, it's Nick Saban. So he he's the guy
that raises his hand, perhaps you know, on improperly of
this brave new world that we're in. But I think
everybody recognizes eventually they're gonna regulate, they're gonna try to

(23:51):
go through and the n C double A whatever, you know,
vestiges of that once my mighty and proud organization remain
gonna try to keep their peace of control of it
all as best they can. But for Nick Saban and
Jimbo Fisher, this this just got really interesting. And you
notice how quiet it was. The SEC reprimands them and

(24:11):
then basically told all their coaches You're not doing any
media the rest of the week. You're not getting involved
in this. Yeah, because if you're the SEC, you're the
king of the hell. The last thing you want to
do is have somebody to be able to kind of
knock you down a peg because you have in fighting
within the league. And so they did right by taking

(24:32):
care of like whatever punishment State build out to Nick
Saban and Jimbo Fisher to make sure those guys are
all on one accord. Um. I think it's it's interesting
because you brought out that Nick Saban was kind of
playing to his boosters and so he was really making
an appeal to Hey, I need everyone to step up
and be a part of the boost club and give
more money so we can do all these other things.

(24:52):
That's it. The n i OH deal and the frustration
that some have with Travis Hunter and Jackson State. Travis
Hunter was number one wide receiver, crewed one top five
recruits in the country. He decided to go to jack
State because he wants to play with din, he wants
to have a Black Hollus experience and all those things.
And so there's been this backlash a little bit too.

(25:16):
Travis Hunter elected to go to an hbc U because
normally those kind of talents have been going in recent
years since segregation, they've been going to UM big time
schools like Alabama and Georgia and some of those things.
Here's the thing about it, when Nick Saban alleges that
UM a million dollars was paid to Travis Hunner, one

(25:37):
HBCUs don't have those kind of resources to be able
to do it too. They normally don't have like a
robust fan base that is, like fever pitched and committed
to bringing that kind of talent there. So they're willing
to open up the callfers to do it. So that's
the part of it. The other part of it is
part of a bigger conversation where what you see is

(25:58):
if elite play begin to trickle down and decide that
they want to play and have a shared experience with
their own people. Um going to an a spc U
playing on the coach that looks like them, that has
a staff that is more diverse than maybe some of
the staff that they see at other institutions. It changes
the landscape for recruiting because that is the one thing.

(26:20):
And so what Nick Saban and some other coaches trying
to do is they try and halt that in the
past and say that there's no way these guys are
getting it on the up and up. They have to
be doing something different because why would you boypass an
opportunity go to Alabama to go play a small Jackson state.
But there is an undercurrent and a tide in a
shift in terms of how some of these young guys
are thinking about how they want their four or five

(26:41):
years in college to be well. And certainly if it's
even if it's not coming through the school right. And
in the Hunter's case, it became a Dion had the
association with bar Stool, so that was you know, just
follow the you know, the money there and the connections there.
But it certainly is a different age of the creating.
I mean, just look at the transfer portal, look at

(27:02):
what USC is doing. Like seemingly every week it's a
new guy that has won an award in college showing
up at their doorstep. Now in addition to uh, highly
sought after and respected coach and Lincoln Riley. Right, so
you've got the the change as it were. Uh, And
like I think the thing that really also just got

(27:24):
people and and I think it extends to to your
point with with Dion and the choices books make as
soon as you use the term bought m hmm, because
it's he didn't say cheated, right, because that was the thing.
Everybody got all excited like it was an accurate accusation

(27:44):
of cheating. And then it became you know, a told
different you know, context and connotation to it and just saying, well,
this is the rules of engagement as they are right now, right,
So it was all he called out for cheating. And
that's when when Jimbo Fisher reacted as he did, got
my eyebrows raised, wondering like, all right, what what's your interpretation,

(28:09):
What's what's your problem with this here, Jimbo? And what what?
Because he's obviously had others take their shots across the
bow to Bucky. So it's like, all right, what what
are you reacting so violently to this part for because
now now you're you're kind of opening the door of
like in this particular case, we know with name image likeness,

(28:29):
it's it's a different world. So I don't know that
anybody would have taken Nick Saban's comments quite to that level,
except maybe you're showing that all right, if you dig
there there's problems, So you might protest a bit too
much in this regard. Yeah, I do wonder, um why
everyone is protesting. Look, everyone knows what the stakes are, like,

(28:50):
it's now above board. You can do whatever within reason
to get players. And look, if you have a plan
you're organizing, you detail in terms of executing the plan,
it you see how it plays out. Look at what
USC is doing now. I would contend s he has
done a great job of getting me a bunch of players.
They would need to get more bigs to be able
to compete with the Alabama's and the Georges of the world.

(29:11):
But their skill positions that they've upgraded and added, uh
using the portal and n I oh, I mean, look,
it speaks volumes to what can be done if everyone
is on the same page. Still gotta make sure you
build the interior. That's right. You and I talked about
offensive and defensive lineman more so than well anybody, and
that that makes us outliers, renegades as it were. Nick

(29:34):
saban Uh and Jimbo Fisher would not be happy. But
the landscape is changing, and everybody's got to decide what
their experience needs to be. And if you can get
funds outside of the quote collectives, your choices and your
range certainly opens up and do a whole different world,
as you said, with dion Um and the opportunity for

(29:55):
Jackson State and other schools perhaps to make inroads that way.
He's Buckey Brooks. I'll like Garmen and this is Fox
Sports Sunday. Let's turn over to Isaac low Crad find
out what's trending in our sporting universe. Was that Buddy Morning,
Mike Morning, Bucky? Are you you got? Are you guys
familiar with the TV Games show? The Price is right?
Of course, I've kind of looked like Drew Carey for

(30:18):
way too long. There will be a social media equivalent
of a pricing game of pop Quiz for you guys
coming up in mere moments. That's that's what you got
a whole forty five seconds to get ready. In the meantime,
we'll tell you about Game three of the Eastern Conference
Finals on Saturday night. It saw the Miami Heat what
it Boston one oh nine two one oh three to
take a two games to one lead. Heat led the

(30:40):
contest by twenty five in the first half that they
had to hold on to win it late because Jimmy
Butler did not play in the second half because of
right knee inflammation. Bam At a Bio finished the game
leading Miami with thirty one also at ten rebounds, six assists,
and four steals. In the Stanley Cup Playoffs on Saturday night,
the Colorado Avalanche one on the road at St. Louis
the two in Game three of the Western Conference Semifinals.

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They as leave the series two games to one. Now
going on to the final round of the p g
A Championship. Meto Pereira seven years old from Santiago, Chile.
He played his college golf at Texas Tech for the
Red Raiders. By the way, he's got a three shot
lead going to the final round at nine under par overall.
Now here's where you guys come in. I want you

(31:25):
guys to guess how many followers Meto Pereira presently has
on Twitter closest one wins. Uh, Mike Carmen, let's start
with your guests. How many followers does p g A
Championship leader Meto Pereira presently have on Twitter? Okay, Bucky,

(31:51):
if this was the prices right, I would say one dollar,
so I would say one follower, one follower. Well, actually, Buck,
he uses that strategy to win. He has two two thousand,
three hundred and nine five followers at present going into
the final round of the p G A Championship. One

(32:11):
other note, of course, of physically struggling Tiger Woods Withdrew
after round three on Saturday after shooting a nine over
par seventy nine, and also Saturday early voting won the
one forty seven running of the preak Mistakes. Of course,
Kentucky Derby Winter Rich Strike did not compete in the
Preakness on Saturday. Mike and Bucky back to you, fun

(32:33):
Stuff Island. Nicely done, Bucky. On the one dollar strategy,
I should have been I should have just gone to
the clue of of the prices right, just gone really low,
and you still would have gone a dollar, but I couldn't.
I couldn't go. I would have got to make sure
you pet his spader neoter. That's nicely done as well.

(32:57):
I'm still trying to get one of those sweet stick
Mike her phones as well, because that was the best
and I'll always regret. I went there when uh and
and saw the show when Bob Barker was still getting
it done, and I took my mom. It was great.
It was still with all the old seventies decor so.
It was the brown curtains with the the Prices Right logo.

(33:20):
I'm always gonna be mad. I didn't try to just
rip off a piece of that fabric for the collection.
I mean I sweet, I mean I do. I do
like that. I do like everything about the Prices Right.
It was like stepping into a time warp when we went.
Really was kind of funny. And then later on went
and saw that it again once Drew Carey had taken

(33:43):
over again with my mom who made made the joke
with the producers, right, because you know, you go and
you say you're one liners and that might be enough
to uh get them to put you on the list
of potential candidates to get up on stage. Uh, and
she made a joke about how I like Drew Carey.
That meant there was no way I was getting on stage. Yeah,

(34:06):
that was just not gonna happen that And we weren't
a big enough group. Figures should have roped in five
or six more friends along the way. But plenty of
game shows to go. Try to be a contestant on
these days, Bucky, So we'll have to figure it out.
Get that singing voice ready, We'll get that duet maybe
in a couple of weeks, and and try to make
that happen. I don't know, I'll work on it, work

(34:28):
on it a little bit. I mean I don't dance,
but maybe since my hand is as it well, I
don't have to h do a Vegas misdirection by dancing
around when I dance right now, that's the way it
works at Bucky Brooks on Twitter where you find and
find me over at swallen them. We'll circle back to
the p g A Championship because you did have the

(34:49):
withdrawal of Tiger Woods, and you know, we we need
to make mention of it in a very difficult third
round physically, the questions of where he's at, but for
the PGA Tour. That longstanding question remains. We'll ask and
answer it next year on Fox. Welcome back at It's
Fox Sports Sunday. Here Fox Sports or Radio. Mike Armen

(35:10):
alongside Bucky Brooks. Just getting rolling here on a Sunday morning,
full slate of sports. We'll get back into the NBA
Playoffs coming about ten minutes from now. But we'd remiss,
be remiss if we didn't at least take a quick
turn to the PJA Championship. I see m Pereira top
the leader board, and I just think of our beloved

(35:30):
rules analysts, Mike Pereira, Bucky. I'm thinking he was gonna be,
you know, swinging the sticks and then turning to you
and giving you a ruling as to how things should
have operated. He thought, well, you know, it's like my
Mike Prairie, Well, we used to have those great uh

(35:50):
conversations where Jason with my my partner during the week,
Jason Smith for those unawares, um would ask him a
question and there'll just be this five seconds of silent.
It's like, oh, you've just gone down to the You've
blown up Mike Pereira's mind because he can't even fathom
the rules question that you're pondering here, So I you know,

(36:14):
it gets a little loose sometimes. Yeah, um, that's what
we do. Rule because you know, the only thing that
I that I would like to see change would be
like the defensive paths interfairenceing. It just bothers me. It
just bothers because it's too big of a yard shift.
I think it needs to be egregious for it to
be as big as we give it, like at the spot.

(36:37):
I would like to see somewhere in between, like the
fifteen to twenty five yard thing that we see in college. See.
I like that you bring that up because Bud Grant
has some rules, uh and thoughts on making the game better. Yes,
the former Minnesota Vikings head coach you know, started waxing
poetically about the game he loves. So we'll get into
that as the show. Uh, where's on it? But the

(37:00):
past interference rule, yes, forty yard. Hey, I'm just gonna
throw it up and hope something happens. And if I
get a completion, great, If I get an incompletion, fine,
But the hope is that there's just enough of a
body that I'm gonna get a dubious spot call that
comes up. But Tiger Woods, withdrawing from the PGA Championship,

(37:21):
we're scoring the event that he's ever had a nine
over seventy nine, had a triple bogey at one point,
and just I quote a Well, I'm sure I know
that is for a fact. We'll do some work see
how it goes. But it's a the difficulty of watching
around goal awry, right, We we cheer and you and

(37:44):
I have been on air with Tiger Woods with some
of these moments and the comebacks and the the attempts
to play, and you get excited and there's a few
shots and there's like, all right, hope, right. We always
quote the shawshank uh idea that hope cuts both ways. Right.
You've got one point in the movie it's hope is
a very dangerous thing, and the other is that it's

(38:06):
the best. And when we sit and watch one of
these events that Tigers entered, there's always that anticipation that
there's going to be some portion of the Tiger that
we remember. Now he's still yoked, like let's let's not
you know, bury the lead there when it comes down
to it. But you had the p G A President

(38:27):
Jim Richardson quote, we admire Tiger's valued effort to compete
here at Southern Hills. Wish him the best as he
continues to recover from his injuries. So just a difficult,
difficult watch during Saturday's activity, uh and and watching some
of those holes. So but for the p g A,

(38:47):
anytime he enters, there's just that much more meaning to
the tournament. Right. That's where we're still at is because
you know, we're always talking about next. We don't have next.
We got a bunch of guys and right now none
of the usual suspects or atop the leaderboard. But you know,
Tiger Woods is still a marquee name that gets the

(39:08):
flashing lights and and gets eyeballs and clicks. Yeah. I mean, look,
he's the biggest draw because without him, like a lot
of people still don't go to the television sets. And
so I think what we have to do with Tiger
Woods is we have to just appreciate him being out
on the course and walking around and not put the
expectations that he is going to win tournaments again. If

(39:30):
he does, great, but he's not going to be the
Tiger that was magical, that captivated our minds and attention.
He's just not gonna be that guy anymore. But enjoy
him while he's there, because when he's not there, people
just don't tune in. Despite the great set of golfers
that we have at the top and what we've seen
the excellence from the people that are normally at the

(39:51):
top of the leader board, no one kind of resonates
with us like Tiger, and so we just have to appreciated.
While as yet to commit to the next major, the
s open in Brookline, Massachusetts, so we'll keep an eye
on that. That's still a few weeks away here in
the middle of June. But to your point, I mean
that that is certainly the the the larger context to it.

(40:13):
You know, when we talk about athletes that have been
so great for so long, is you know the Tom
Brady angst I know that people have, would you just
go away? It's like, no, eventually they'll they'll be gone,
and then you'll lament that they're not here for you
to boo or cheer for. So we'll we'll keep with that. Uh.
The NBA playoffs roll on back into the Western Conference.

(40:35):
Steph Curry and the Golden State Warriors. Fox Sports Radio
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two of the program. Here a beautiful Fox Sports Sunday
with you here Mike Armen alongside Bucky Brooks. Bucky. Our

(41:00):
one goes by fast. We've got some F one racing
going live from Spain. So about halfway through that race
right now, so good times. Actually closer to two thirds
as we go. Uh, Norris and Verst stopping and some
of the usual suspects a top the leader boards. So
we got that. We got the p g A Championship,
I got a Tractor Supply Company sponsored PBR event on.

(41:24):
I got live live action and and some pretty cool
taped violence ready to show here on a Sunday morning.
Look at you, man, just got it going already out
the gate. Well, and then as soon as we're done here,
it's the usual drive fifty miles to go watch more
a kids soccer. So you know, it's it's good times
all around. And we're coming up on Memorial Day already

(41:45):
the kids are getting ready to get out of school.
Congratulations everybody that walked in your graduation ceremonies here over
the last and we did it a little bit last
week and celebrated some of the athletes going back. I
always love those stories, Bucky that uh, you know, warms
the heart, the promises to mom or grandma or just
their own self edification or trying to create legacy for

(42:07):
their children or whomever else, just to say, hey, this
is important and always a reminder, as I've said all along,
when guys for n I l deals, right, you know,
the lamentation of leaving early for a football draft or
for the NBA draft is Colleges don't close. You can
always go back and learn more. Even if you have

(42:28):
a degree, you want to go do something else. Plenty
of opportunities nowadays. You don't even have to show up
to a building. Do it all for the comfort of
your computer. So good on those folks going back and
finishing up. And and I know some friends of mine
had big ceremonies going on yesterday. I'm sure they are
still celebrating the release from the college bills from their kids. Yeah,

(42:52):
I mean, it's it's it's it's a monster, right, it's
a Monster's one of the things that uh, as a parent,
you're trying to save up and suck away, are you
little uh pennies? Knowing that your your kid may go
to a private institution like college, and that this costs
are ridiculous, particularly if it's out of state. Even going
for an in state public school like sometimes it can

(43:13):
be a lot and bust the budget. And so it's
one of those things where when you get the graduation,
there is the celebration of hellelujah. Uh, you're going on
to the next phase phase of your life. But really
for a lot of parents is at least we can
drop that bill, right, I can get a couple of
my dollars back, get a couple of dollars back, because look,
it's hefty. It costs a lot to go to um

(43:35):
colleges in this country, and so it's one of those
things have to kind of bake into the budget. Yeah,
you've got a son in college now, I know he's
celebrating some of the victories. Uh they've had the baseball
squad there and and you know, we're starting to go
through that process with my daughter of looking into different
programs and what she may want to do. My older one.

(43:56):
So yeah, it's uh, it's a fun and exciting but
daunting process. And I've actually got an inordinate number of
friends out here, Bucky that are actually going back to
Chicago their kids. They've got no ties to Chicago, but
they're heading to De Paul and other schools for uh
for college. And I'm like, all right, here's some of
the great spots in the neighborhood. Oh wait, no, no, no, no,

(44:16):
you're still too young for some of the great spots
in the neighborhood. But I can tell you where to
get a good slice. How about that, uh slice? I'm
overdue for Chicago. I feel like I want some Chicago pizza.
If I were here later in the day, i'd bring
in some Chicago pizza for the crew. Maybe maybe I
have to do that next week holiday bring that in

(44:40):
and then we've got a we we we do have
a toaster of it in the back, so maybe we
can make that happen. Yeah, who, no, that's what I mean.
I just have to order it the day before, that's all,
and make the effort to get up here so that
it's ready to go. But I can't leave it in
the fridge here because there's no way it's surviving. Oh no,
you have to name on it, like nicely done. And

(45:01):
even then that did work. Would have been would have
been nice to have some of those little security cameras
back when I was in college. Who keeps taking by stuff?
But that's the way it works, that's how it goes. Uh.
You know what the Mavericks by breaking a bunch of
three point shots in the third quarter after building out
a big lead. Uh, they allowed the Warriors to come

(45:22):
and take their stuff in Game two. See there, that's
what you're called professional. Back into a topic to a
third team from three point range in the third Jason
Kidd quote, you rely on the three, you can die
by the three. And it's just been interesting to watch
the Mavericks go so reliant on trying to play the

(45:46):
three point game that operational efficiency in the you know,
in in range, right in the paint has been lost,
right the midrange jumper. I thought DeMars Rosen was starting
to give it a good name again for folks. But
for the most part, we're still talking about three point
arc being the be all to end all. But in

(46:07):
that Warriors Mavericks game, as well as Dallas shot early
I mean, the law of averages says you're gonna cool
down a little bit. And there was no rebounding like
you're talking about a huge rebounding margin. And then the
points in the paint. We talked about Looney and his
big game effort where sixty two to thirty in that

(46:29):
game that that is a losing formula and a way
to get you know, things chipped away pretty fast because
long rebounds, fast break opportunities, and the Warriors certainly cashing
in time and again. So two oh heading back to Dallas.
Enough fighting this squad that I think they may be
able to extend it a little bit bucky, but it

(46:50):
seems like we're on path to the Warriors reclaiming the
the Western Conference crown and having that dynasty extended right dynastic.
I don't know what we're like. Dynasty is the only
word we can use. There's like saying very good for
a long time is boring. So we we talked about

(47:11):
dynasty and the running towards conference finals and NBA Finals appearances.
Looks like we might get that Core and Steve Kerr
back one more time. And it's something I've wondered this
whole playoff season. How much they pride that themselves, and
not only did we get back here, but we didn't
need to bring in some other big swinger, you know,

(47:32):
you know, a big heavy hitter like Kevin Durant again
to get it done. You know, I actually think what
this will do if they're able to pull it off,
they run, run the table and finish it off with
a championship. I think we would respect them more now
than we did previously when they won what three and
five years see, because I think previously it was I mean, yeah,

(47:53):
but you stacked the team who couldn't win with Kevin
Durant added to a team that it already won a title.
But now because everyone to kind of pour dirt on them,
because you know, they had the injuries to Clay Thompson,
they fell apart, they missed the playoffs for a few seasons,
and then they come back. I think now you have
a great appreciation for the job that Steve Kerry has done.
You have a great appreciation for how good Stephen Curry

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and Clay Thompson and Draymond Green were as a unit.
And I believe this kind of puts them in a
different stratosphere. If they're able to pull it off. As
it relates to the Mavericks, like, here's my thing. Everyone
is kind of taking what the Warriors have done. But
the problem is everyone wants to shoot the three, but
they're shooting it more than the Warriors do, who have

(48:37):
two of the best shooters that we've ever seen. And
so we have all these guys jacking up these threes,
and yes, it's feast of famine. And so they feasted
in the first half and then it was bleak in
the second half. At some point, I get the analytical approach,
it's either threes or layups, and I think for the
MAVs they got to focus on kind of building up

(48:59):
the layoupart and they didn't get back to the three. Well,
build inside out. Now, they did have some success early
with the drive and kick, and then well there were
no drives. Right, sustained bailout three point shot shooting is
not gonna work. Right, Let's run the shot clock down
and then all right, it's a thirty point or thirty
ft three point shot. It's just not effective basketball. Trying

(49:22):
to hold on to a lead with a team that
can get out and run like Golden State will. I
mean they got dunked on by Clay Thompson. That might
have been the highlight of the night, is that Clay
had such a wide open lane that he went in
and dunked. And I wish I screenshot at all the
Mavericks players looking at each other. It's like none of
us contested that. Really, none of us contested this guy

(49:46):
who was coming back off two big injuries, missed two
plus years, seemingly moving in slow motion to the lane.
Yet he's still got there for the dunk. Yeah, he's
still flashed it. You know. It's funny because I think
I was as surprised as you might have been to
see him go and duncan even though, look, he's over

(50:07):
six five, you should be able to dun Yeah, but
he kind of put it on the floor and made
a move. I think I'm so used to watching him
catch his shoot and get it up that you're like, oh,
he actually can put it on the floor and make
it happen. Yeah every now and again, right, that always
be able to have that in the bag. Just you
wonder how much of the bag is left, because that's

(50:28):
part of the question for these Warriors and why they're
so interesting this year, is that they'll have the grand
decisions to make because you still have money on the
books for Clay, and obviously you're looking at Jordan's pool,
who's already a third year guy, money committed to Draymond
and Steph who Steph when healthy, still puts up his

(50:48):
numbers like it's a different game that he's playing a
little bit more now than it than it was. But
Draymond still fills the statueet emotional guy, emotional leader. Uh.
And look, all of these guys have become master thespians
in terms of being able to bait an official into
an erroneous call. But look, you're fooling the eyes live right.

(51:11):
You can't fool the camera, but you might be able
to foold the official on the court, and that's all
that matters. So we've seen a couple of big calls
in these games as well where I was like, wow,
that's phantom, but that's a reputation, that's a veteran, that's
a superstar call, and that's part of what the NBA
game has always been. So you try to leverage that
to your advantage as best you can. But from an

(51:34):
organizational standpoint, we talked about organizational stability being so important.
They've at least got that next iteration of players coming
up between cominga pool whatever James Wiseman becomes. Obviously they're
still holding out hope that, you know, he's everything they
anticipated when they drafted him as they did, but right
now they just would love that he could actually contribute

(51:58):
rather than worried about him be being a star just yet.
But you you've built the next iteration while the veterans
are still they're playing great basketball, so they've got the
best of both worlds. But eventually some hard economic decisions
that will have to be made. I mean that that's
that's part of it. And that's that's the thing. When
you build up a team and you have a good team,

(52:20):
you have to make choices, and um, the decisions that
you make, whether it's on experience or youth or production potential,
all those things will play a part in how long
you're able to keep it together and keep it on
the uptick. And so yeah, this would be a challenging
off season for them, but slight easier doing it when
you win. Then when you lose, well, there's no question

(52:42):
about it. Right, Always better to be from the drawing
board when you're sipping a little bit of uh, maybe
not the bubbly, but feeling good about where you're at,
as opposed to all right, we've been home since the
you know, regular season ended, and now we're looking up
at all these teams, particularly in the Western Conference, because
that that's the part uh and the unspoken part. I
think a little for some of the teams that bowed

(53:03):
out earlier, didn't make the even the play in tournament
is right. Not only do we have to try to
fix some of what we're doing, but we're trying to
figure out how to get to the top and there's
an awful lot of teams to pass. It's like being
in the final weeks of a regular season looking around,
going all right, we may not get be able to
get to first but you know, in baseball, can we
get to the second wild card? How many teams do

(53:25):
we have to jump? How many series? And you start
playing that game and schedule watching all the way through.
For the NBA a little bit the same. We certainly
did it this year because we wanted to see Brooklyn
and Los Angeles and if for nothing else, to see
the train wrecks finish at the end of the year.
Which well, they both did for different reasons. So we

(53:47):
we keep going. Uh. NBA playoffs continue later on tonight,
Western Conference Finals as it were. We'll see if Luca
and company can get something going on the home court.
He's Buckey Brooks on Mike Carmen and coming up. Actually
take a been to the NFL and the it's a
toss up when asked to describe, well, what are your feelings?

(54:08):
What do you want? A superstar? That's what he described
his quarterback position and quarterback room as. And I'm not
very emboldened or excited about that response. We'll tell you
which team and what he's talking about next here on
Fox Welcome to tight End University. Mike Carmen, Bucky Brooks
with you here a Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday.

(54:30):
Tight End University Year two under way in the greater
Nashville area. George Kittle and Travis Kelsey and fifty of
your closest friends getting together to talk about the greatness
of the game, work through the position, do some good
work with the Boys and Girls club there in Middle Tennessee.

(54:52):
All sorts of stuff, but it's George Kettle's comments about
the quarterback situation in San Francisco that lead me to
you analyst, mentor, scholar, NFL Network personality, NFL dot Com contributor,
My guy Bucky Brooks. When he's talking about the ability

(55:14):
of Trey Lance, mind bogging boggingly say that five times
really fast, mind boggingly. Uh, exceptional, right, the opportunity potentially
for greatness they're in but talking about Lance versus Garoppolo,
it's a toss up. And then earlier this week we

(55:35):
also had more related to Tray Lance when we had
some comments that hit the hit the wire Ryan Harris
who then had to explain it and went on Twitter
and explained it some more. Former old lineman and now
an analyst. Uh. And he was the latest to kind
of raise the hand on Trey Lance, saying, quote from

(55:56):
players I've talked to you and coaches I've talked to you.
With the Niners, he's really leaving a ought to be
desired in terms of the fitness of his arm, whether
or not he can digest the playbook and Canny really
start to process the game at a high level. Young
quarterback okay, hearing that picking up a full offense depending

(56:16):
on the the you know the type of year that
you're having and how much you get integrated early on.
That's not surprising, right. I Mean we've heard that with
with first year quarterbacks that maybe maybe there's a little
bit of lag in terms of getting game ready and
digesting all of that. Particularly a Kyle Shanahan book. Maybe

(56:36):
you get a little more of a long pass there.
But but Bucky, there's been so much on the tray.
Lance isn't getting it and Harris the latest to jump
onto that side of things, like, I'm trying to figure
out what's real, what's imagined, And and obviously George Kittle
is going to be a great teammate, so now he's

(56:57):
acting as his super hype man because if he does
win the job, that's the guy throwing to him. So
you gotta get that, you know, all all all the
laudatory praise and about his arm strength and ceiling as
you can. For Kittle, I'm trying to figure out what's
the truth here. Well, here's the thing, and here's the
thing that's frustrating on the outside looking in when it

(57:19):
comes to trade Lance. And I'll even say this about
Jordan's love. I would say with both of those young quarterbacks,
um we haven't seen him enough to know whether they
can play or not. Like practice accounts and all those
other things are one thing, but you never know if
a guy can play until they play in a game,
because the game moves at a different pace, it moves
at a different rhythm. There's some guys who are great

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practice players but don't play well in games. There's some
guys that are dog practice players but have a way
of playing at a high level in games. And so
a lot of it is we want to kind of
feed the frenzy. We want to know, We want to
be able to speculate and have a hot take on
a player or whatever. But with both of these players,
but particularly Lance and two we see him have a

(58:03):
full season or two in Shanahan's offense, it's impossible to
know where they can play. Back years ago. Brian Billieve,
it takes thirty to thirty two games to figure out
if a young quarterback can play. That's two full seasons
of starts before you can really assess where a quarterback
is and where a quarterback could go. We've seen Trade

(58:25):
Lance play what to three games relevant in the larger world, right,
you need thirty is the accepted sample size to say,
all right, we've got enough data from which to draw conclusions.
So it only makes sense that we get to that
same type of conclusion with a player. But you know,
it's like microwave everything we want it now. Right with

(58:48):
Jordan Love, I don't know what he is like, and
anybody trying to claim that they do, you know, to
put it on him for a second, because there were
some comments from Matt Lafleur, you know, just saying, hey,
he needs all the work he can get. Well, obviously
he's not getting any starts. Right Aaron Rodgers the guy
that doesn't miss games, so you know he we're never
gonna see him really pushed getting first team reps and

(59:12):
practices and the opportunity now obviously the off season. You know,
if Rogers contracts stuff had dragged on, then yeah, you
could have said, all right, Rodgers, isn't there, sir, Jordan's
Love would be the beneficiary there. Well, that resolved itself,
so that that doesn't help him at all. It doesn't
happen honestly, like Mike, like, until he plays in games,

(59:34):
it doesn't matter. Um. Practice is one thing I'm the
biggest advocate for practice because you know, the way that
you practice. Ultimately, you create the kind of habits that
will come through in game situations under pressure. That said,
you can't replicate the intensity of a game and practice,
you can't replicate the speed. You can't replicate like the

(59:57):
complexity of what you're seeing in the moment and practice,
and so you kind of have to bite the bullet.
When you have a young quarterback, you have to throw
him out there at some point, whether you want to
read short or for a year, whether you want to
play him right away. You will never find out if
your quarterback can play until you put him in the game,
and you have to give him the game plan, let

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him start tailored to him, and let him work through
some of those issues. And only after you've watched him
play at those thirty games that we said, can you
make a solid assessment on who he is and what
he's going to be in this league. Yeah. The hardest
part is also for these two particular players. You're talking
about teams that are at the top of the conference, right,
So it's not like you're you're pushing to make a

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change right off the jump, right, Jimmy Garoppolo, people can
push away from him all you want. He does enough
to get you into the winner circle most of the time. Right.
Career record is fantastic, and anybody that does the well,
he'll give you a chance or two every game. You
know what pretty much every quarterback does, folks. That's part

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of his DNA, Like part of his DNA is he's
going he is going to toss it to the other team.
You have to notice as a coach, You have to
noticed as a team like, hey man, I gotta gives
it away a little bit, but we win games with him.
And I think the telling thing with Jimmy Garoppolo is
I'll try to be dismissive of like, hey man, they
can get better and they can't get better. I do
believe they can find a better option at quarterback. They

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can have someone that can knock down the lips and
do all the stuff that cal Shanahan wants. But we've
seen this team play without Jimmy Garoppolo, and cal Shanahan's
had a hard hard time winning games that same playbook
that he's at, same playbook that he does, all that
that stuff that we and all about. He hasn't been
able to win with the likes of C. J. Bethan
and Nick Mullas and other guys. So Jimmy Garoppolo deserves

(01:01:46):
credit for being able to get him to the winner circle.
But then Trey Lands deserves an opportunity to kind of
go through whatever growing pains he is going through on
the practice field until he's ready to play. Here's what
I will also say about trade Lands. I think people
have to understand he didn't play his final season due
to the COVID stuff. Yeah, we've seen Jamaar Chase and

(01:02:07):
Michael paris Is and some of those other guys who
set out play well. Quarterback is different. Those reps matter,
and those game reps cannot believe, cannot be duplicated. So
you have replicated you have to play the game to understand,
like how to read defenses, how to throw, what I
can fit in, what my limitations are, where my boundaries are,

(01:02:29):
all of that other stuff. And so until he gets
those rips. Look, man, we're just talking. We just speculated.
That's the beauty of this business is that that's what
it's all about. How do we look to Week one
game against the Chicago Bears. Who's going to be under center?
Obviously still a while before Jimmy Garoppolo is even able
to throw a football. So you know when we do

(01:02:51):
the line them up he and Jordan Love, you'll Lance
or at least have the opportunity to go and make
strides right to at all the first team reps to
get all of that uh coach coach them up kind
of mentality here in mini camps and at the start
of training camp. Evidently Trey Lance part of the uh

(01:03:12):
tight end university fun and excitement as well, UH per
George Kittles. So we'll see how that that flows. But
opportunity certainly knocks. And when you got an organization, and
I mean, I guess that's the theme of the show
when you back it out between the NBA playoffs and
what we're looking at in the NFL is yeah, you
take your shots. And and for San Francisco, they put

(01:03:34):
a lot of assets into bringing Tray Lance in to
prepare for the future, to prepare for the expansion of
that offense and to make it more dynamic. But you're
also winning in the interim, so it's trying to figure
out how that bridge works. But when you've got a
little bit of institutional knowledge we talk about all the time,

(01:03:55):
but consistency in the organization. Uh, it's a lot, a
lot easier path than with the chaos and turmoil that
we takes up two thirds of the league. Bucky, we
get to it, talk and draft. It's like, all right,
here's what in theory they should do, But here's the
how you make a splash and get people excited, right,

(01:04:16):
Because you're still trying to run a business and be
an entertainment product while trying to climb back up. So
trying to figure out what the reality is and recognizing
where you are is often a difficult proposition. For San Francisco,
it's the alright, how do we make this as seamless
as possible from the style of Jimmy Garoppolo to tray

(01:04:36):
Lance in the future, and how fast do we need
to do it? Yeah, I kind of believe it's the
situation where they probably should have done it, like um,
the Baltimore Ravens did Lamar Jackson. Will you put him
in and you just roll with it, You make it happen.
You do you tailor and continue to tweak the offense
around his talents, and eventually he will show you if

(01:04:57):
you can play, and you may have to play a
different way in those games, like we've seen with this
Running game. With the Running Game, everything is gonna be
um really easy for him trade lance. In the Passing game,
we see that Kyle Shanahan consistently creates easy opportunities for
his quarterbacks play action, uh to man combinations, deep overs,

(01:05:18):
um things that are i mean one to three simple
Simon type stuff, high school reads. He does that. He
does that through the through the pen. And so my
thing with the Lands is what is the disconnected? There's
a disconnect. Why is it that, um, the coaches don't
trust him enough to put him in there over top
of Jimmy Garoppolo, particularly when we talked about Jimmy Garoppolo's shortcomings,

(01:05:40):
and so there might be something there because obviously, if
you have a young quarterback who's talented enough to tie you,
normally goes to the young guy. So this should be
a chance for him to step up and take over
and be the guy. He's Bucky Brooks on Mike Carmen
Fox Sports Trading another quarterback hanging out and limb though.

(01:06:00):
We'll get to his situation in a moment, but first
it's Isaac with an update on what's happening in our
sporting University. The Miami Heat in a little bit of
a limbo, but they have the lead in the Eastern
Conference Finals two games to one over the Boston Celtics
thanks to a one oh nine to what oh three
victory at Boston in Game three on Saturday night. The

(01:06:20):
Heat led by as many as twenty five in the
first half, but then Jimmy Butler ruled out of the
game at halftime, did not play in the second half
because of right knee inflammation, and Miami had to hold
on to win it at the end behind maam Ade
Bio's thirty one also had ten rebounds, six assists and
four steals. He had the Stanley Cup Playoffs on Saturday night,

(01:06:42):
the Colorado Avalanche victorious on the road as well. What
I got St. Louis five to two in Game three
of the Western Conference Semifinals. The Avs lead the series
two games to one, going go to the final round
of the p g A Championship. Meto Pereira, twenty seven
years old out of Santia i Go, Chile, as a
three shot lead at nine under par overall, ahead of

(01:07:05):
American will Zala Torris in England's Matt Fitzpatrick Tiger Woods,
clearly physically struggling, had to withdraw after shooting nine over
par seventy nine and round three. On Saturday Today, it'll
be Pereira and Fitzpatrick teeing off the final pairing at
two thirty five Eastern time. Also Saturday, early voting won

(01:07:27):
the seven running of the preak Mistakes. Kentucky Derby Winter
Rich Strike did not run in the Preakness this year.
And we've got a Major League baseball game coming up
just one hour from now. It'll be the Pittsburgh Pirates
hosting the St. Louis Cardinals. Always a good thing when
there is morning baseball, even on the East Coast. Mike,

(01:07:48):
Kentucky back to you celebrate every sporting event that starts earlier,
you kid me. I mean, you got up really early
and you had the f one race got started there
down to the final four lad ups. Is that one's finishing.
We got the final day of of Rodeo, so I'm
getting some of the greatness of yesterday's activity. I mean,
there's so much going on makes us look forward to

(01:08:10):
the NFL in London in the fall. We always celebrate
that because we can set up the day's game while
mocking the Jaguars or whatever. We've been fed schedule release video.
I know, I know, I know. Well we're I mean,
I will say this, I hope the charges are as

(01:08:31):
good as we expect because the social media teams certainly
put on some chumming. Oh they wrote a lot of checks,
a lot of checks. I still I want the n
f t of the Urban buyer face though. Someone print
that up so I can hang that on my wall.
Get that still shot for that Chargers Jaguars preview. Thanks

(01:08:56):
Silo at Isaac Glow and Cron on Twitter. He's he's
associated with the charges, so you can send him your
residual hate for anything his the social media members of
the team might have done to your squad in that video. No, look,
I like it. You gotta gotta fan the flames, kind
of like Drew Brees did with his tweet after exiting
NBC that uh talking about a guy in Limbo. We'll

(01:09:20):
get the banker Mayfield and more nonsense related to if
you were released, like, well he hasn't been, but we'll
talk about that, because we were gonna get a line
of teams saying yeah, that that could be worth it.
And that's all the usual suspects, but it's still great
speculation in radio trying to figure out a guy that's
in limbo there. But for Drew Brees talking about I'll

(01:09:42):
go learn pickleball, I'll go do this, I'll go do that,
probably will still end up broadcasting at some point. Questions
of whether he was expecting an ascent to a top
spot at NBC, wanting to do games full time, and
that didn't come to fruition, and that's why they separated
all of that between he UH and his former employer

(01:10:04):
UH and whatever he tries to do on the broadcasting
part going away. But he did throw up a a
little line of maybe go back and play some football,
which got the tongues wagging. I know he just had surgery,
was a report from Ed Werder, So that's out there.
But I mean, he was a guy that the final
two years of his career we were looking at him

(01:10:24):
wondering if he could make a throw twenty yards. He
was just this side of Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, love man.
I know that he would love to go back and
play if he could, because normally that's coming when New
Orleans is now builting out receiving room. Yeah, like normally
when you have um failures in one area, you want
to go back to your your your happy spotlight, right

(01:10:46):
your comfort zone. And so that's always been playing for him.
But if Drew Brees popped on the tape and watched himself,
Drew Brees can't go back and play in this league anymore.
He can't throw, He couldn't throw, and it was an
issue like you can't you can't play some all about
His mind is willing, but his body can't deliver, and
so he has to figure out what is going to
be the next step. You know, if it's not broadcasting,

(01:11:08):
what else can you throw himself into? But playing playing
can't be an option now. I thought it was an
interesting line to throw out there, And obviously you bring
in a lava. You look at the wide receiving corps
that's been built. Michael Thomas expected to come back, uh
and who knows what he is right after being away
from the game, injuries and everything that he's god So

(01:11:31):
we'll we'll see what Jamis Winston's working with there. But
I can understand wanting to reclaim a little bit of
past glory. Particularly when you keep seeing Tom Brady chugging along.
But folks have to remember the wounded ducks that were
being thrown twelve to fifteen yards down the field, like
we're not talking, hey, he's going for the downs two

(01:11:51):
uh whatever, Kenny Stills and some of those Deverie Henderson
and guys of years past like that, Deveri Inderson going
back to the you know, early two thousand's for that one,
But they had a number of those wide receivers that yeah,
he was good once or twice a game for those,
but that was never the game, and then towards the

(01:12:11):
end it really disappeared altogether. So it's just a curiosity,
and that one came out obviously in the wake of
all the Tom Brady stuff that we talked about last week.
You can always find the podcast of that conversation because
that was fun. I think we took it into directions
that you didn't hear elsewhere in the radio landscape. Go
to iTunes wherever you get your podcast. Go to Fox

(01:12:35):
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(01:13:17):
And obviously here every Sunday on Fox Sports Radio with
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of oral greatness rolling through into your sporting day. Uh.
And obviously we're counting weeks till the NFL with plenty
of action, plenty of speculation and rumors to help fuel
the fire. So from breeze, how about we keep it

(01:13:39):
in the NFL And we'll turn to the fun and
exciting world of Baker Mayfield next, because well, one of
the teams that was speculated about early, well now you've
got analysts saying yeah, one which always makes me laugh.
So we'll get into that next year on Fox. It's
over in Spain. F one race is finished and by

(01:14:00):
that big a nerd Bucky, I mean, I'm going global here.
I'm bringing in auto racing. Uh, Max Verse stopping uh
the victor in this race. Team Red Bull finishes one
and two, with Sergio Perez finishing second. Lewis Hamilton's fifth.
There you go, I'm getting worldly because we also have

(01:14:21):
the French Opens underway. There's already been a couple of
upsets on the women's side. There's there's a lot of
stuff going on, Buckey, a lot of stuff going on,
a lot of stuff going on everywhere. I think it's
fascinating that you brought up Formula one stuff because and
having conversations this might be the new thing. I didn't
know this, but this hit is Steven Ross off that
Formula one race that he had in Miami a few

(01:14:42):
weeks ago. He makes more money than he will make
on all the Dolphins games combined this year. Welcome in
the new world order here, right? Is that? I mean
they've they've announced a date in Vegas for next year.
Burn have one race. I mean there there's money to
be had. Look, it's it the question of how big
you want to Like if you go full in, then

(01:15:04):
potentially saturation and all of that stuff hits and and
you're trying to make sure you're you're feeding the audience.
But you know it's there, right. It's a global sport
and you've got folks that get together for races early
am I mean this one started long before we were
even on air. Uh And we've been on for almost
two hours, so I got to watch it all live

(01:15:26):
and in living color here uh in the Fox Sports
Radio studios. So fun, fun, exciting events to get things started,
and a crowd that is just I mean their color
coordinated for their favorite squads and drivers. So it's cool stuff.
But it's always that you know, you look at a
market place that you're gonna enter, like, say, you decide,
I have started brewing the best home beer ever, and

(01:15:49):
I want to make this my business. Well you're not
looking at the topple, you know, Budweiser cores and and
all those giant market shres. No, it's a huge business,
billions of dollars, and you're just trying to capture your
little sliver of it all. Likewise, for f one in
the United States. You don't need to have it all.

(01:16:09):
It's like when people get all excitable about ratings and
really get up in arms over NBA Playoff ratings. Whatever.
You gotta recognize all the different ways that the product
is consumed, disseminated, distributed, repackaged, and sold. It's far more
than just what shows up on your TV screen for

(01:16:30):
two to three hours on a Sunday afternoon or evening.
It is. I mean, it's it's all part of a
bigger grid and programming and trying to figure out like
what's important, what's gonna be topical, what is going to
cast the attention of those and so everyone is done
with that in mind. I am just I'm just fascinated

(01:16:50):
at one the amount of stuff that we look at
and how we can kind of get captivated. I told
you to formula one thing. I literally asked friends, like,
is this something I need to get into too, because
it seems like it might be the new thing that's
all the cool people did. I want to be a
cool person. So I'm just wondering, well, I mean, you've
got guys like Jordan and others kind of looking at

(01:17:10):
dipping their toes in and and everybody kind of trying
to figure out the financials of it all of whether
it's something to gravitate tour. I can tell you from
the collectibles side of things, it's taken off like crazy
in the last two years, like it's always been there,
and it's in certainly in Europe huge, but now state

(01:17:31):
side with some of the trading card releases and even
going back to early Lewis Hamilton's cards, people looking for
these young drivers as they're coming up and going all
the way through to some of the just cards of
the cars themselves, right and celebrating the teams, the engine
makers and whatever else. There's there's a whole other community

(01:17:54):
that's getting exposure here in a different way. And so yeah,
it's it's picking up some steam. And once they announced
that Vegas race, like, all right, you don't have to
do it thirty five times, right, that's the difficulty, Like
of a NASCAR schedule. You're you're trying to like you've
got your loyal folks and obviously you've got some that

(01:18:15):
will be able to go to multiple events, but filling
thirty six times is difficult. You do it a couple
of times in the in the us and build gradually. Yeah,
you're gonna build the audience, but you're gonna fill it up, right,
We talked about it. You know, every events in Los Angeles, like,
no matter if there's eighty one dates for the Dodgers,

(01:18:35):
how many millions of people are here. That means that
some small percentage of folks decided to make that their Sunday, Monday,
whatever day of the week kind of entertainment. It's still
just a fraction. Likewise, here of a giant population three
sixty or whatever, we're at a million in the country.

(01:18:56):
You need seventy thousand to fill stadium. I think you
should be able to get that pretty easily. Yeah. Not
to mention folks if it's in Vegas that will jump
a plane to come do the event for the week, right, Yeah,
I mean that's that's the thing. Anything in Vegas typically pops. Well,
how do we get fractional ownership? That's really what it's
all about, now, Bucky, how do you and I get

(01:19:18):
are a couple of chips that we can put to
the center of the table. You know, the money earned
working here on Fox Sports Sunday. How do we push
those chips to the center of the table so I
can claim some portion of Red Bull ownership. That's it.
That's that's really what I'm at it. I mean, it's
got to be beyond the max first stopping rookie cards
that I've got sitting graded in a stack at my house.

(01:19:41):
See what I did, I got a mini In full disclosure,
I'm well diversified when it comes to this stuff. So
funny you just laugh at me at Bucky Brooks on
Twitter is where you find and find me over at
Swollen Dome. Now you gott mean, come on, you got
the pageant three of a literal metal stand that goes

(01:20:02):
out there and they get to you know, shed some
tears of joy after drinking a bottle of champagne as
fast as they can, uh and getting back out there
big presentation in front of all the crowd. And he
come on, it's pageantry, pomp and circumstances. We love that stuff.
We do love this. So I'm with you on that.
We doesn't want to go dancing with Mark Madison and
Shaquille O'Neil at a parade. I mean, it just lives forever.

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(01:21:35):
latest always at Bucky Brooks on Twitter. How were feeling
two hours in? We've already got enough. One race done,
We've got a Premier League action now underway, and I
mean there's so much going on, I can hardly contain myself. Yeah,
there's a lot going on. It's a great Sunday, Like
this is what you want sundays to have a bunch
of different things. You want to be able to sit

(01:21:56):
on the couch and watch a bunch of different sports.
We got postseason bass, good ball, we got hockey and
for Earnest you talked about Formula one. We have a
bunch of stuff. This is great. Yeah, it's it's the
best of all worlds, right, is all these sports running
it once. The NHL playoffs have been fantastic as well,
some high scoring action and in the Edmonton Calgary series

(01:22:19):
we had fifteen goals in Game one, eight and game too,
so we'll see what the Game three holds for us.
Just action and adventure at every turn. So all of that.
We've got action at Roland Garros already with the French
Open p g A championship underway. No Tiger Woods. He withdrew,

(01:22:40):
so now we see if Pereira can hold off. We
learned earlier from Isaac Lowen Crown that he has fewer
than twenty four hundred followers. I'm gonna have to go
at him, so you know, we could become best friends too, Okay,
friend everybody. I'm all about you know, putting my my

(01:23:03):
bear hug on the world at large, Bucky, you know that. Yeah.
As much as I like my solitary time and being
left the hell alone, I do love people and the
energy and trying to find out what makes people tick.
I mean, that's what it's all about, building that great community.
A building a community is never bad, right, especially if

(01:23:26):
bit by bit, We're all gonna make sure we bond
together so we can get in on the ground floor
of f one monetary things happening here in the States.
See what I'm doing there. I'm gonna build my own
collective like I'm an m n C double a football booster.
Were collectives now No, No longer a bunch of rogues

(01:23:48):
sitting around with briefcases and bags of cash. We we
are a collective. Maybe there's a movie to be written
there as well. I'll tell you what though. One one
story that we've been following a lot and coming up
this week, there's gonna be an HBO UH special dedicated
to some talking to some of the women that have

(01:24:11):
accused Deshaun Watson of his behavior and the assault and
aggravated um situations. Right, it's still trying to figure out,
you know, that process. Rusty Harden came out with a statement,
what we should know what their position is initially talking

(01:24:33):
about the NFL sometime in June, and then everybody will
figure out if there's gonna be a hearing about it,
or people can work things out or whatever. This is
what he called told Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland
Plane Dealer on Friday. The only thing that's certain is
that they want to try to get everything done this
summer and earlier then later in the summer past that
we don't have any firm date or possibilities. The curiosity,

(01:24:55):
you know, when we're talking about the deposition and and
truly how long this would play out in the legal
process is the curiosity. Harden's told cabin that Watson it
was question for three days this week by NFL investigators
uh Lisa Freel and Jennifer Gaffney. Quote this idea that

(01:25:16):
the NFL hasn't aggressively investigate this is totally totally false,
as evidenced by the fact that he's already spent three
days with them. They've obviously done a bunch of research
and have done a lot of work themselves, and they
need to do some more. They say they need to
do some more. So now the curiosity is how quickly
does the NFL work two finishes because Harden also said

(01:25:41):
that there's nothing imminent in terms of any type of
settlement to resolve any of the twenty two allegations that
have been put forth against them. So the NFL, in
the wake of the Trevor Bauer decision by Major League
Baseball two years uh is what you're looking at their
plus and all millions that on his contract that he

(01:26:03):
will not collect is a little bit of pressure to
show your teeth related to your own policies and personal
conduct policies. But also trying to ascertain how that relates
to the legal process. Now, obviously in Bower's case, there's
no charges pending, but the league decided to go heavy

(01:26:26):
handed with the approach or appropriate depending on your point
of view. Right again, legal versus what the league needs
to do. But right now, Roger Goodell and company, you
know they still have the the wounds. I guess for
lack of a better term, from what how they handled
the Ray Rice incident when a videotape ended up coming

(01:26:47):
out and changing how we looked at personal player discipline forever. Yeah,
I think the league has to be careful. I think
the reason why they've gone slow is because, um, they're
trying to kind of kind of measured out and kind
of see what is appropriate. Here's the thing. I don't
think Trevor Bauer is suspension. No matter what MLB did,

(01:27:09):
I don't think that that I have swayed necessarily on
the National Football League. The National Football League has some
precedents when it comes to dealing with cases that are
similar in nature to Deshaun Watson, even though you may
not have charges. A couple of years ago, they did
to deal with Ezekiel Elliott. I want to say Ezekiel
Elliott with Elliott received six games, and that was one

(01:27:30):
that was not adjudicated in court, and there wasn't there
wasn't nearly the level of uh, the allegation more or
less came and went. But and it was one they
still I gave him a six games suspension to the
maximum of what that personal content policy allows, right, and

(01:27:53):
then you had been Roethlisberger who before that was given
was it six that was cut down to four when
he had to to um sexual assault like kind of
I can't even say all that other stuff is Marcus.
I want to make sure I give it this some
proper respect. So he received four games with six games

(01:28:15):
originally and it was cut down to four games. So
if you go back and you look at like the president,
he's looking at six games, right, like that's what the
league has done or whatever, it would be challenging I
think for the league to go well above that because
when you think about like the cb A, you think

(01:28:36):
about the union and all those other things. I just
think it's going to be hard for them to impose
something that is similar to what MLB did with Trevor Bauer.
I just I know people who have said that, and
that's kind of been the buzz on. Oh well, the
league could take a clue from you know, Major League
Baseball and kind of really go heavy handed on the shoan.

(01:28:58):
I think they will go heavy handed, but I don't
think it will look like what League Baseballs. Yeah, think
it comes down to the c b A. As you mentioned, Bucky.
I mean, you're trying to all of it is the partnership, right,
and trying to figure it out and be fair to
the process and for the league. It's it's also the

(01:29:23):
as soon as Roger Goodell and the league got into
this business, right, which is in the old days, I
mean you came up as it was transitioning a bit,
you know, into the league was under tag laboo. As
long as you're available on a Sunday, have at it, right,
and trying to put in a policy when no two

(01:29:48):
cases are ever going to be the same. Right. They
may have the same banner, the same headline, the same
general accusation, but no two cases are going to be
the same all the way through. It becomes a difficult
proposition and something that needs to be reset, remeasured, uh,
with some on a on a continual basis without question.

(01:30:10):
And then in this case, you know when when I'm
not surprised to hear Harden to say what he did
here right, that the league had been investigating in quiet
because the the accusations from a lot of the media
is like, well, they're not doing anything, Like I don't
believe that for a second. It's like, you can't tell
me that every team is hired investigators to turn up
anything someone may or may have said or done in

(01:30:32):
eighth grade before drafting them. And tell me that the
league is sitting on their hands wishing and hoping that
this just goes away with Deshaun Watson, I wouldn't believe
that for a minute. With the amount of security and
when we're talking about protecting the shield and the billions
of dollars that you know a guy that just got
a two million dollar guaranteed deal. Yeah, they're just sitting

(01:30:55):
on their hands wishing that it just goes away. Like
nobody lives in fantasy into that degree. No, No one
lives in fantasy land to that degree. And you are right, Like,
but the amount of money then he receives and all
the attention and everybody is going to be paying attention
to this case. And you know a lot of times
we talked about and we talked about like you want

(01:31:17):
to make sure that the suspension is fair and that
the league is given it it's proper do based on
um the nature of the alleged acts and those things.
The thing that we always have to remember is not
only the victims in play, but Deshaun Watson and going
back and forth and having his day to you know,

(01:31:39):
tell his side of the story and those things, and
then the league being able to kind of take whatever
it is UH come up with doing the investigation, Deshaun
Watson's size, and if they've talked to UH any of
the victims, all of that stuff and kind of put
it together and kind of figure out where should they
stand with it. But I would say this if I'm

(01:31:59):
the Rounds, if I'm anybody like you want this done
because you want to be able to go into the
season knowing exactly what it is. And I think it's
kind of fair because this has been a year long story.
At some point we need to wrap it up with
the investigation, the suspension and those things so the league
can move on, because it really prevented um the league

(01:32:22):
from being able to put the Browns on PROMP time
because they didn't want to spect up the story overshadowing
what the game would in the league has always been
good about kind of owning the pr machine. This is
one where they need to get it resolved. And if
they talk about it happening in June, at least when
it happens in June, everybody can begin to make a
step forward, like, Okay, here's what it looks like, here's

(01:32:43):
what it is, here's how the we can go forward
and then just move on. Yeah, we did have earlier
in the week, Uh, Deshaun Watson admitting an apology to
a crying massage therapist after a session and trying to
suss that out. Uh, and the details they're in. But
but your point, right, it's not the legal system, right.

(01:33:03):
We we always uh we have the movie Double Jeopardy. Uh,
and people blow that out. Uh. If I'm pretty sure
the NFL would be able to come back after Deshaun
Watson if something were you know, more damning. I trying
to find the right words of this to be sensitive
to it right to where we're at in terms of
allegations and the civil cases that are that are there

(01:33:27):
versus always the potential for criminal charges to to get
into play. But at this point you could make the
determination and rule and if you need to go back
stronger you can now with people bemoan that saying you
got gave them too light a situation. If more were

(01:33:49):
to come out, sure, but you're dealing with the facts
in evidence and in your investigations as you can. As
to fairness to the Browns. Well, the Browns knew what
they were getting into when they signed the deal, right
that this was still hanging over, And so I can't
say that I'm gonna feel bad for them or worried

(01:34:10):
about their prime time eligibility in that regard. No, no, no no, no, no,
I'm not. I'm not saying the team itself, but I'm
saying from a lead perspective, like say what we want
to say about the Browns. The Browns are a big brand,
much like the Raiders, the Washington football team and all
those other things. Like, they have a national fan base.
It's not just localized. And so when you kind of

(01:34:31):
deprived those guys, you're talking about more eyeballs or whatever.
So no, not necessarily the Browns and what the Haslems
are doing and what Shaun Watson doing, but just look,
you have a huge fan base that this is a
big deal, and this team is expecting to be good
with or without Deshaun Watson. So you kind of robbed
them with the opportunity to see their team on a
major stage. They'll just have to buy a bigger cable package, right,

(01:34:55):
I Mean they've always had you anyway, This this success
thing is a res and thing and actually being eligible
for primetime consideration. See how I tried to find the
light in this of taking you know, the factory of
sadness and reminding them of history as it were. All Right,
we'll stick in Cleveland because you've still got a quarterback

(01:35:16):
on the roster. Uh. That well, nobody wants to pay
the price for What happens is a contingent on what's
going on with the Shawn Watson. We'll talk about Baker
Mayfield uh and the world of speculation and analysts, uh,
theorizing next destinations coming up next, He's Bucky Brooks. I'll
buy Armen. This is Fox Sports Sunday, and how we're
rocking along here. It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio

(01:35:39):
Action on the pitch, F F one race already done,
We've got NBA Playoffs later, the p g A Championship.
I'm gonna go drive to the middle of nowhere to
watch kids soccer and hopefully you all have something lined
up today. A barbecue, a walk, maybe a nice nap.
I don't know. Mike Armon, Bucky Brooks with you here
on a Fox Sports day. The nap sounds good, doesn't it, Bucky,

(01:36:02):
it does. It always sounds good. There's nothing wrong with
a good mind. Nap, Well, that's it. Always always try
to work one end. Make sure to work for balance
and definition, as Arnold Schwarzenegger taught us so many years ago,
and pumping iron. Alright, So we talked on one side
of things with Deshaun Watson and where Rusty Harden and others,

(01:36:23):
you know, thinking maybe June we have some sort of resolution,
well a resolution there in terms of the league deciding
on disciplinary action and perhaps maybe the cases themselves being settled.
But nothing imminent there, according to Harden, but it would
perhaps force the issue once and for all on what

(01:36:46):
to do with Baker Mayfield. Now, if I were Baker Mayfield,
I'd be showing up at every offseason conditioning thing and
whenever I'd be the guy in the room smiling and
just going through the paces. I'd be that guy Bucky
as opposed just staying away from everything and waiting for
stuff to resolve. Not no, I'm still under contract. I'm
still here, hi uh, and just keep waving at you.

(01:37:08):
Eighteen plus is the expected salary, right, that's what he's
on the books for for this year, and you know,
there's still the alright, Seattle would be amenable. In Carolina
would be amenable. Folks weeks ago we're talking about Pittsburgh,
but that was more before Pickett showed up. Ah, he

(01:37:29):
and Mitchell Drabinsky for this year. But for Baker Mayfield,
a lot of it comes down to how much will
the Browns eventually just say all right, we'll eat a
bunch of the salary or do they wait for the
outright release? You know which is more likely the Browns.
I'd say, I evaluate and see what I could get

(01:37:51):
for eating a chunk of the salary and then moving
on with whatever draft compensations or players you could get.
But the way eating game continues here and not that
anything has to happen imminently, but it's a story that
just keeps getting legs and more and more teams get
attitude while they'd consider if he was free I a

(01:38:13):
free agent signing. UM, I think the big thing for
U Baker Mayfield is, yeah, he could certainly kind of
accelerate the process if he did show up, If he
did go and UM kind of set in the quarterback
room with Deshaun Watson, Jacoby said. Josh Dobbs and those guys.
I think the bigger thing is this with the Cleveland Browns.

(01:38:34):
I think everyone around the league is is kind of
waiting to see if they're just gonna drop him. And
when they're gonna drop him, they know at some point
the other shoes are gonna fall and they have to
kind of let them go because they can't carry his
salary and they can't keep him and Deshaun Watson and
those things. So it's a bit of a cat and
mouse game. Um. You know, the teams that you consistently
here that have been linked to him have been to

(01:38:55):
Carolina Panthers and then the Seattle Seahawks. The Seattle Seahawks
in the middle of a quarterback competition with Gino Smith
Andrew Locke. Um. The Carolina Panthers seemingly have their quarterback
and say, I'm Donald or mac arrel. So if Baker
is released and he goes I don't you know, there'd
be a little clamoring for him because you know he's

(01:39:18):
gonna be on a veteran minimum. Uh. He was a
former number one overall pick Um. I don't know if
it's gonna be this feeding frenzy. UM. I just wonder,
you know, and I wonder where he fits. And I
wonder if with all the stuff that's kind of coming
out about his tenure in Cleveland, UM teammates and coaches

(01:39:39):
like how you get along interactions. I'm trying to figure
out who signs up for that where he is right now,
because now you have two strikes against you in terms
of UM. He already has some protocol of prototypical challenges,
but now he's coming off an injury and the other
stuff when it comes to like leadership or football character whatever,

(01:39:59):
the a lot. So I don't know if this is
an easy signing for the next team UM. And I
also don't know what the best opportunity is for Bacon
when Baker thinks about where can I go to kind
of reignite miket rear Um. I don't know, man, I
think it's a tough one. Yeah, he is the great
enigma because there's been some good on tape, and you're

(01:40:20):
always trying to figure out the locker room stuff. It's
like we're talking about a little bit with with Trey
Lance right earlier, with all the whispers like are these
executives or people in the building that are trying to
get out because you know and just say hey, you
know what. I I didn't think it was gonna work
ahead of it because if it goes wrong, they can
raise their handgunts. See my evaluation was, right, are they

(01:40:41):
the guy's leaking information out the back door? With Baker Mayfield,
we've seen some success, but it's always the all right, Well,
now we're getting the details a little bit from behind
the scenes and trying to figure out what's real what's imagined.
You and I talked about it at the time. With
playing hurt, you don't You don't get a pass for
right right badge of honor to a degree. Okay, great,

(01:41:02):
you were able to play with injuries, but you played
badly with injuries. So how does that help, and you
hurt your team because you couldn't play. Doesn't that that
doesn't get you extra bonus points in terms of searching
for your next squad. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't help.
It doesn't help as much as you would like to
think that had it tell us that hey man, he
he sucked it up, he gritted it out, he did

(01:41:24):
all these things. No, you don't get on his points,
like ultimately when you walk on the field and you
elect to play, people are judging you based on how
you play. Um. You know a few years ago when UH,
James Weston had the thirty for thirty thirty testdowns thirty
interceptions he played that year would have broken thumb. Um.
Dak Prescott had injuries and UH it impacted his ability

(01:41:47):
to play down the stretch a couple of seasons season
three seasons ago when people he was trying to get
his money, they were shalking about it. So it is
one of those things that when you run out the tunnel,
no one cares, and you have to understand that. And
so we can talk about people doing these heroic things
act collected John Wayne, but the league has shown us
time and time again they do not care. And so

(01:42:10):
every player has to make a decision. Okay, this could
work against me, but I want to play so bad
that I'm gonna play well. And obviously with Baker, a
guy looking at the time thinking he was going to
get his get a long term deal or set himself
as best, right, that's also working in it too. Of
I'm not giving up my chair because they're they're not

(01:42:31):
exactly beholden to me. Right, they didn't give me my bag.
So I've got to keep proving who I am because
if I give up the seat that I may never
see that bag. And instead he ended up playing badly,
and you know, for Stefanski and the company. I always
wonder if, in a nice quiet corner of the living
room watching some bad TV in the middle of the night,

(01:42:51):
if you were to say, do you wish you would
have put Keenan in, whether you'd get an honest answer?
You know. So here's the thing, like like I don't
I don't know, Like I think like going going bright
to the Baker thing like with now that oh b

(01:43:12):
J is gone and Jarvis Landry is in New Orleans,
I think what you have to do is if you're
a team like thinking about Baker and what all the
stuff that that Baker brings, I think you gotta find
a way to begin to talk to his teammates. I
think was telling um, no one in the locker room
has come out and defended Baker. To my knowledge, we
haven't heard that. You had a little bit in Joku.

(01:43:36):
But it was it was very metered, like it was
not very effusive with praise to the point where it's like, hey,
you know the Tara Owens, I'm gonna cry because that's
my quarterback kind of thing. Yeah, we don't have any
so we don't have any of that. And so I
think before anybody can't really see, you want to kind
of see what what you're taking on, you know, personality wise,

(01:43:58):
all that other stuff like, um, look, man, there are
plenty of quarterbacks we've had personality who have been good players,
who have been able to lead their team and do things.
You just want to you want to know what is it?
What a what am I stepping into? How do we
have to handle it? Uh? Is it something that we
want to take on? Um, that's the main I mean,

(01:44:20):
that's that's that's the main part of it. And then
after that you just try to make a good decision
based on the team and where the team is at well.
And I think that's the last point is is the
one I think I jump on here for a second year, Bucky,
is that we don't have a lot of chairs, for one.
And so when you're looking at and evaluating, you're also
trying to figure out who you are as a squad,

(01:44:41):
right and being honest with yourself in the mirror of
how close you are too competitive and for St. Carolina, right,
part of it is is temper ready to jettison Matt Rule, Right,
that's playing in the background of this. So if you're
Matt Rule and company, are you gonna lobby for him
because he may make you a game and a half

(01:45:01):
better or a game better? I don't. I don't know
what that metric is, and I don't know what the
odds oddsmaker would put on it would say it's he's
worth a game to you. What does that do for
you in terms of your two or your future? Not
a whole lot. So in bringing that in, what what
what's the ultimate benefit risk reward? Because now where we're at,

(01:45:26):
Mike we I mean, we were getting close to getting
into June, right, So if he signs in June, he
has a month at home to learn to play book,
and then he has whatever time you have in training camp.
That's not a lot of time. Like ideally this would
have been if you felt like he was going to
have a legitimate chance to be your certain quarterback, you
would want him early in the off season and to

(01:45:48):
that point, if you felt that way, you would have
offered up something to make sure you can get him,
or you'd be more aggressive trying to figure out what
teams offered for him and what we need to do
to get a steal done. You know you would have
done that because it's more important to have him in
the building working, doing your stuff. Yeah, I think it's uh.

(01:46:11):
You gave us one of the lines of the year
when you joined Jason Smith and I ahead of the draft,
and we had all of this movement and the veteran
quarterback market being much different than we've ever seen right
of the blank, those picks and and big offers and
transactions and rumors right some of which never actually happened.
As well, You and I had the arised right with

(01:46:34):
Aaron Rodgers didn't go anywhere, but goes back to the
line before the draft is all that activity showed you
what the evaluators thought of this draft class, the fact
that Baker Mayfield is still on the books for the Browns,
as much as you can add the juicy storyline of
all right, everybody wants to penalize the Browns and not
do them many favors. Okay, that's nice, but if I

(01:46:56):
were putting that on a big piece of pie, that's
about two percent of the the rest of it. Is
we don't think Baker moves the needle for us. And
I think that's the thing because understand what the Carolina
Panthers gave up to get Sam Donald. Like, just remember
where Sam Donald was when the Carolina Panthers traded away

(01:47:18):
picks to get him. They did that knowing that Sam
Donald was struggling with the with the Jets. But all accounts,
Baker Mayfield has had a more successful career than Sam Donald,
yet no one has been able to make an aggressive
move to get that. This is in the same offseason
in which we saw in the draft, one quarterback was

(01:47:40):
taken in the first round, no quarterbacks taken in the
second round. I mean it magin like like think about that.
So they weren't overwhelmed by the draft class. You know
what it is to get a quarterback in terms of compensation,
you weren't willing to meet that. And now he's out.
I mean he's not out, but tendically he's kind of out,

(01:48:02):
like and there's no one willing to pull a trigger
in what would be a death racist situation. Crazy times ahead.
We've got a lot of off season still to come.
More rumor, conjecture, speculation as it were Coming up next,
We've got a great story out of the NBA. What's
it like to miss out of an opportunity to be
part of a big three? And it's because of your waistline.

(01:48:25):
We'll talk about that coming up in a minute, but
first it's Isaac Lowland crowd. He's got what's trying to
get our sporting universe. What's trending? A sudden concern over
the many Bucky Brooks sponsored donuts I've consumed over the
years around here leading to your waistline tea. So I'll
be listening thoroughly to that. I'm gonna try and run
through this as quickly as possible. We start with Game

(01:48:46):
three of the Eastern Conference Finals on Saturday night, the
Miami Heat what I at Boston one oh nine to
one oh three to take a two games to one
lead despite playing the second half without Jimmy Butler due
to right knee inflammation, And that's all the official word
that has come out of Miami since then. Coming up
tonight at nine pm Eastern, it's Game three of the
Western Conference Finals. As the scene shifts to Dallas with

(01:49:10):
the Golden State Warriors leading the Mavericks two games to
none the Stanley Cup Playoffs. On Saturday night, the Colorado
Avalanche what at St. Louis five to two in Game
three of the Western Conference Semifinals. The Avalanche leads that
series two games to one. Today's Stanley Cup playoff action
faces off at one thirty Eastern time with Game three
of the Eastern Conference semi finals and the Tampa Bay

(01:49:32):
Lightning hosting the Florida Panthers, with the two time defending
Stanley Cup champion Lightning leading that series two games to none.
At the p g A Championship, twenty seven year old
Medo Pereira out of Santiago, Chile as a three shot
lead at nine underpar overall, ahead of American Wills Alatorus
and England's Met Fitzpatrick. Carrera and Fitzpatrick will tee off

(01:49:56):
the final pairing at two thirty five Eastern time. Baseball
just getting underway in Pittsburgh against the Pirates hosting the St.
Louis Cardinals. My ears and waistline, Oh wait the latest
from Mike and Bucky. Thank you Ilo at Isaac Lowan Crown.
If you want to keep your mic open by all
mean uh please do Jermaine O'Neil sat down on the

(01:50:19):
Knuckleheads podcast and talked about being part of the Miami
Heat and he could have remained with the team as
it began its Big Three era with Dwayne Wade and
Lebron James and Chris Bosh, but says quote, they wanted
me to resign. I knew that Braun and them was coming.

(01:50:40):
I knew he was coming, and the realist thing I
could tell y'all, you know they got that eight percent
body fat right for a big guy. That's heavy lifting.
I remember going to the Pantrao at night looking at
the oreos, the oreos looking at me right, and I
could bro, I'm in full dead battle daily on what
I hate. And I was like, bro, I'm thirty plus
year is old. I can't go through this. He said, Wait,

(01:51:04):
I'm too old to be having a debate whether I
want to have an oreo or not. I can't do
this blank. So that's why I left Miami. Okay, he coaches,
not for everybody. Um, it's not only the body fair thing.
I hear about the conditioning test being ridiculous and how

(01:51:25):
hard it is forty eight minutes of hell, baby, let's
go m that's that's something, that's something else. But I
appreciate that. I love it. I love to knocka this podcast,
but I appreciate them pulling those stories out. But that
is there's one hell of a story right there. Now
you got a good oreos. The oreoles were calling me,

(01:51:47):
and I just couldn't mess with Well. It's like, you know,
we all have our our inspiration and we think about
stories like that right when you're staring into a pantry,
staring into a fridge. Like remember one of the first
columns I wrote, uh at Yahoo, not related to my
waistline and food, but was just kind of the you know,

(01:52:09):
all the trophies and and memorabilia whatever sitting around, And
I did a whole thing of the old head bobble
heads getting after me on Fantasy Baseball drafting with the
young guys. Right, so here's old Ellis Burke's with then
with the rockies yelling at me about you know this,
and then some of the upcoming rookies yelling at me.

(01:52:32):
Eventually there was a George Lopez episode of his show
where he had bobble heads talking to him. So hopefully
someone on the staff was a fan. I got no
writing credit or story buy or anything. But you know,
gray inspiration comes from you know, the same places at
times in in comedy and and certainly in radio and
what have you. But just kind of the the curiosity.

(01:52:53):
I can only imagine. You're an athlete, you made you
made good money, right, You've had a good career like
Jermaine O'Neil had a good career. But it's the I
could have been part of that if I had committed
to not having the oreo and consistent but I mean
consistency of all right, I'm gonna have to say no
to all of these things based on the rigors and

(01:53:16):
obviously metabolic changes as you get a little older, Yeah,
it's a little harder. I don't want to sacrifice. You
get tired of doing all the other stuff. Man, do
I ever really have to get up in rhyme? Do
I do I have to? So it goes from want
to man, do I have to? Well? Sure the change

(01:53:36):
and the league changing right to where we talked about
it with the NFL, certainly the NBA the same thing.
It's like, you don't even though we joke about one
to three cancun when teams are eliminated, what do you
get about seventy two hours before guys are back in
a gym or on a court getting ready for the
next year alright, or back with their the rehab assignments

(01:53:57):
or massuses or team physicians or whoever you're getting a
plan in place to get ready for the next season,
because it gets on you that fat that much faster
as your body's recovering like that, it does. It does
jump on you faster, and you do have to make
some changes. And it's hard because like it's funny when
you think about Jermaine one, he will being dead old.

(01:54:19):
But then I look at the team last night, p J.
Tucker thirty seven years old, Kyle Lowry Uh in his thirties.
The sacrifices that those guys had to make UM to
do it. Yeah, it's not for everybody, and it's hard.
And then you think about, like some of the great
players that have been able to UM play great later
New years is because they paid more attention to their body.

(01:54:42):
UM made sure that they were in the right um
not only mental state, but physical state to be able
to play and play well later in all those recovery opportunities.
That's why I ordered my TV twelve recovery pants, so
I could be just like Tom. He's Bucky Brooks on
My Garmen, Fox Sports Radios, Fox Sports Sunday and coming

(01:55:03):
up next, Bucky alluded to it, Kyle Lowry, p J.
Tucker and what they meant for the Miami Heat because
when they you know, they showed up just when the
heat and Eric Spoelstran needed them most. Well, we'll look
back at last night's game and at an epic uh
collapse by Boston. No and I say that because of
that first half. It's a collapse that they tried to

(01:55:25):
recover from and didn't. And we'll tell you how it
all came to bear next on Fox Welcome back in
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and of course Isaac Lowan Crown a little bit. Jerry Jones,
always a listener emeritus or whatever we want to give
him as it were, And and and he's got to
be a little excitable because well there's basketball in Dallas
later on tonight. We'll talk Warriors. MAV's coming up in
about ten minutes. But Reference did a couple of minutes ago,

(01:56:10):
Bucky when we talk about glue guys and they're meaning
to squad locker room guys. Culture. All of that on
full display for the Miami Heat. And while they nearly
gave away UH and had stolen from them a twenty
five point lead. I used that term UH specifically related

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to this game. Nineteen steals, twenty three turnovers help seal
the deal. One nine, one oh three is the final.
UH got to a one point deficit for the Mavericks,
but then a couple more bad turnovers, four turnovers and
steals of course by by Miami UH and Bama a

(01:56:52):
Bio more than producing his output of the first two
games where he'd been invisible. What p J. Tucker coming
back and he did a couple of great flops that
might win him some awards UH in the player awards,
UH if they start giving out acting awards for flying around.
But look, it's veteran savvy AH. There's a little bit

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of contact. He kind of got his hand on my
back as I went for a rebound, so I'm gonna
fly into the third row. All of that. You gotta
sell it, just like you're in the w W E
that tell my daughter with their soccer team all times,
Like you know, your forwards need to be better sellers,
because what do you mean, like there's contact, you gotta
sell it like, yes, they're gonna be out of position,
which means you guys have to pick up. But you

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know you want to a free kick up close every
once in a while on a scoring opportunity. You know
there them selling the job up front is gonna have
to be key. But for the heat, he built a
huge lead, you lose Jimmy Butler knee injury, Uh, day
to day, not expected to miss time as of now.
I don't know how much is that, Uh, just putting

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that out in the press and waiting and seeing versus legitimate. Hey,
we may see him for Game four, but in the
interim it was the the KG veterans, cluding Kyle Lowry,
who I don't know anybody could have had any grand
expectations at all for him, who played a pretty good
number of minutes but gave them good production. Uh in

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his return to action. You know, when I think about
Kyle Lowry coming back, the one thing was the leadership.
It was the leadership that he displayed at the end,
the heart, the hustle, making the play, the savvy play
that he made where he stole the inbounds pass um
gave it for the layup that was critical. Being able

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to kind of settle this team in It was not
only Lowry but Victor Oladipo being able to make some plays.
This is a team that makes his youth with experience.
They find a way to get guys to play the
right way. And even though when you're following the Miami
you have to know that you can't have to live
through some ugly moments, some ugly times when comes to
their offensive production. The one thing you never canna question.

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They're gonna play hard, they canna be physical, they're gonna
challenge the opponent. They're gonna make it uncomfortable for the opposition.
And that's what they've been able to do. And so
now they're sitting at two and one. We'll see what
happens when Jimmy Butler uh and his knee inflammation, if
he's able to come back in Game four, but cal
Lowry returning and bring into leadership. That was everything in

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this game. The Haymakers thrown time and time again. What
what a fun series this is? UH, hard fought battles,
guys that seemingly have the lid on the basket and
looking at you, tire of hero uh for uh yesterday
including over six from three to help the Celtics get
back into the game. But Jalen Brown with forty points

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but seven turnovers, Tatum with six turnovers. Uh. And when
we look at those two stars, look, I picked the
Celtics once we turned into the new year, that can
they'd make a run. So I can't jump off him,
So I I need them in seven, Bucky. That's where
we're at at this seven. I don't know, I do.

(02:00:08):
I do want to see the one on one battle
between p J. Tucker and Al Horford though, That's what
I'm all right. We'll get back to the Western Conference
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obviously here. Every Sunday, six am to ten am Pacific,
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go up a little over an hour from now. For
whatever you missed this morning, some deep dives, you did
a lot of NFL. I will get turned back to
the NFL and a little bit we'll do the turn
into the Josh Donaldson, Tim Anderson flare up that we've

(02:01:17):
got going on between the Yankees uh and the White
Sox White Sox Uh, Tony Larusa calling the term racist
with Donaldson UH saying hijackie uh to Tim Anderson. There's
some more history and some to go back, but you know,
we'll we'll get into that a little later in the hour.

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But how you feeling, man? Four hours of heavy lifting
on a Sunday morning. That's not that heavy. There other
things that we could be doing. It would be a
lot harder we're talking about sports. This is great. I
only got one arm, so I can't do most of it.
Come on, right now, you can do it. You do
a bit of the other one. Well, that's just it.
I'll end up looking a little disproportion but that's okay.

(02:02:04):
Well you gotta work to get those popeye forearms anyway. Yeah,
Steve Garvey forearms as they used to be called back
in the day as well. How about that the Dodger legend.
How about that? That is something Steve Garvey. Well, there
you go. He's still around, still does a lot of
appearances on behalf of the team, one of the ambassadors,

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that kind of thing. No, never ever ever. Great signature too,
by the way, Oh yeah, that's one of the classics.
At one point I had a they used to do
a barn storming tour the Happy Days Crew like they
played baseball, and they would play these games at Dodger Stadium,

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And at one point I came into possession of a
ball that was signed by Ron Say, Steve Garvey, and
Ron Howard, which is pretty cool. And Steve Garvey's signature
has not changed in forty years. It's really kind of
kind of cool. Still every letter Well, it's funny because I,
you know, I had been watching these things and and

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it's watched things evolve over time. And Larry Walker in
a recent Hall of Famer and legend right the expos
and Rockies, Uh, he was doing a signing of a
commitment that he had for Tops and was posting, look
at you know, putting some work in. And he was
getting all these comments on his signature and he's like, well,

(02:03:28):
they're paying me to sign my name. I gotta show
people some respect, which I thought was pretty pretty kind
of It was an interesting thing because I look at
some of the give up signatures that the kids do,
and I'll just say the kids, and I don't mean
that as a pejorative of just saying the young guys
coming into the league where there's just initials. Okay, you

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hate me, because that's that's me. Have you gome bb
in a number to be He's another And you're right,
Steve Garby's signatures glorious. What what I'm saying there? You know,
for you you all want to look at that on
the Google machine. He spent a lot of time in
grade school really working on that profession. My mind is brilliant.

(02:04:14):
You can't read anything else I write, but my signature
is well well rehearsed. That is a good one. I mean,
that is it? Yeah, yeah r v U. I mean
you can right very allegedly that is that's old school,
old school kind of thing. Fitting it all in uh

(02:04:35):
signature moments that we've seen from the Golden State Warriors
through the years, a lot of three point activity, the
heroics from Steph Curry and his Band of Merriman. Obviously
the last time we saw them in championship form was
the iteration that had Kevin Durant. Well, now we're back
to the the basic plan with new characters mixed there

(02:04:58):
in Draymond, Clay and Steph. Different versions of those players developing,
And obviously for Clay Thompson it's the can you find
a level of consistency as to who he is? Remember
go back to you know, scoreless in Game two in
the first half, finishes with fifteen and they able, They're

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able to come back and get a victory. And we've
seen with the Mavericks the the difficulty of their their
offensive output, you know, finally find the three points stroke
for a half and then to keep shooting it. And
Jason Kidd talking about living and dying by the three.
I found it more interesting, you know, some of the numbers,

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you know in the tail of the tape of all right,
if you're gonna take all those threes, then your rebounding
has got to be on point, right, You've got to
be better, uh at at playing the angles and recognizing
where opportunity is going to go. Otherwise you're giving up
fast break opportunities. That's what we saw the Warriors have
taken an advantage of in this series thus far. And

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so we were also watching the tail of the tape
when it goes to points in the pain and that's
where you're getting a decided advantage from the Warriors without
having a traditional dominant big men. Right, You've got Andrew
Wiggins who's kind of all over the place, but giving them,
you know, is eighteen to twenty a night and near

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to double digit rebounds Steph Curry right now is they're
leading rebounder in the series, taking advantage of the balls
coming off long because of the three point shots and
really the agitating the Mavericks to a level of they're
they're not even doing a lot of work in the
low post, which is curious, not that they're necessarily built

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for it, but that has become a three point shooting
fest is just a curious style of offense to run
when you know the Warriors love nothing more than to
pick up pace on you. Yeah, no, it's it's certainly
not the way that you want to play, right because
the one negative, well, a couple of negative things. One,

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when you shoot a three point, it's a it's a
lower percentage shot too. When you miss the rebound puts
it out more near the free throw line, so you
do have a fast break ready to go. And so
if you don't have what they call defensive balance, where
you have a guard or two rotating back, you are
susceptible to UH two on ones and three or two
fast breaks, which leads to easy shots. And so we

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are seeing where the guards are becoming the big rebounders
because there's so many long balls. And I do wonder
um heading into the series, UH Dallas was a team
that played slower than most other teams in the league,
like down UH but the top five in terms of
slow paced tempo and those things. I do wonder if

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they try and grind this one to a halt and
quit trying to play the Warriors game and get back
to playing more their game, which is a little slower,
a lot more deliberate, a lot of Luca kind of
set in the table and neither taken a shot at
getting it to his teammates. Slow, methodical, uh type of situation.
As oppos what we're seeing with the Warriors, you have

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those secondary guys that are popping up cominga on occasion,
Moody on occasion, and obviously Jordan's Pool in his third
year has become that much more of a scoring opportunists
and has picked up a lot when the Elder Statesman,
I think that's fair to say the Elder Statesmen have

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had to either miss games or miss significant time due
to injury, and he's been a spark plug off the
bench for them, certainly in this series and throughout. But
either way, you know, what's been kind of comical is
the lamentation of the quality of basketball in the postseason. Now,

(02:08:51):
I'll stand and raise my hand going. I wish the
efficiency and consistency of the officials was better. But as
for the level of play, look, I expect there are
going to be blowouts because there's always it's one loss,
whether you lose by ten or lose by forty, and
if I can get seven minutes of playoff grind off
by guy's leg, recognizing that we live to fight another day,

(02:09:14):
That's what I'm gonna do. So some of these blowout situations. Now,
we do have craziness, like last night where I know
a lot of folks went and found themselves their second
screen experience and and moved away from the Eastern Conference
Finals game because of the lead the heated established only
to make it a one point game before closing out

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Boston one one oh three. I get that. Uh, there
have been some frantic ones, but in the end, it's
it's the ebb and flow of a series. And you
can't live and die by one game. As the players
and the coaches, and certainly as a fan recognizing there's
more to it. You spot concerns certainly, and celebrate some

(02:09:57):
of the good that your team is doing. But recky, guys,
he gets a long slog before this thing is done. Look,
it's a marathon, not a sprint, and so you gotta
be geared up for it, not only physically but mentally.
You gotta be able to endure the ups and downs
of a long process, and you have to be able
to stay locked in and focused, and you have to
be able to put those bad games to bed and

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come back and be locked in. And I think what
we've seen is the teams that the most resilient, the
teams that are able to kind of get um their
concentration and focus back after a success or a failure,
those are the ones that extend and go in. And
that's what I love about the playoffs. But I love
that about the playoffs in any sport, whether it's NHL,
whether it's MLB, UM, NFL, all these things. These sports

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not only tax you, uh from a physical standpoint, but mentally.
And so that's why you see the exhilaration for the
champions when they win, it is because they knew they
had to endure it the long road and they made
it on the other side. And I think that is
the part that everyone feels fan of players now, Guy,
played in the league. You've been around the league, the

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National Football League, that is for a long while for
those unawares, uh Bucky suiting up and then helping to
build squads and scout and all of those things, like
the veteran leadership. How much do you just we we've
got this core of people, so we know we can
count on on them that they're not going to freak out.

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It's the Billy Chapel for love of the game, going
into one of the great great Costner baseball movies, right
the clear the mechanism kind of moments that as you're
building an organization, I mean to have a few of
those guys, I would imagine it gives you a much
higher floor from which to operate. Yeah, experiences life's greatest teacher.

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And the only way to kind of understand how to
master those moments is you have to go through those moments.
And as you go through it, and as you play
on that stage, you get increasingly more comfortable dealing with
the pressure that comes along with playing in these games.
And so when you have a veteran um set of players,
or you have veterans that you bring in, they can

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share those experiences. They can give you tips and those
things in terms of how to prepare for the game,
how to prepare for the moment, how to handle the
moment in game. That's why leadership is so essential, and
that's also why teams will sign um that kgo veteran
who may not look. He look his best days are
behind him, but he offers something in terms of that

(02:12:31):
sage wisdom. When we look down at the Go To
State Warriors bench, we see Andre Igodala down there talking,
talking to Draymond Green, talking to some of the other guys.
Given um, everybodyce you look at the Miami Heat you
d Udona's has them being able to talk to those guys.
You have to have a nice mix because it's a
different game. It's a completely different game than the one

(02:12:51):
that you play in the regular season, and you need
to be able to adjust and the just quickly to
have any chance of being successful. East Buckey Bruks out.
Mike Carmen. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports a Radio.
Coming up. Next, we turn our attention to Major League Baseball,
Yankees and White Sox. No, it's not me, just trying
to get a White Sox story and uh, something that

(02:13:11):
has taken on a larger cultural touch point. After an
altercation between Josh Donaldson and Tim Anderson of the White
White Sox where honor goes to mockery and disrespect and
trying to figure out where the line is. We talked
about that next year on Fox Fox Sports a Radio.

(02:13:32):
It's Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Armen alongside Bucky Brooks. Appreciate
y'all being on board of us getting your day started
East coast already into the afternoon hours. Plenty of sporting
action to keep you entertained, a lot of action on
the pitch right now, some early baseball, and because of
weather and circumstance, well, you always get some of these

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weekend doubleheaders in Major League Baseball right now, Bucky, and
one of those today, uh, twin bill for the White
Sox and Yankees. Uh. And coming off of a very
uh contentious game on Saturday back in early May or
earlier May, I should say May thirteen. Uh, there was

(02:14:15):
a hard tag from Josh Donaldson on Tim Anderson. Uh.
So there were benches cleared there yesterday, benches clear once again.
As rounding second base after the final out of an inning,
Donaldson began talking to Anderson and it got animated, and
Anderson said that he said, what's up Jackie, referring to

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Jackie Robinson. Uh. And Anderson didn't take to it, as
Donaldson would say, in the spirit in which it was
intended to try to diffuse whatever was still lingering from
the prior tag and all and going back to and
Donaldson in the post game, you know, referring to comments
that Tim Anderson had made coming up in about his

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role and we talked about talk about it a lot,
right when we talk African American UH involvement in Major
League Baseball was at seven percent right now, UH and
Tim Anderson being one of the the guys saying, hey
changed the game right to reinvigorate UH it within communities,
but also you know the spirit of fun and changing

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the game, and it's actually become a hashtag that the
White Sox have adopted. But referring to himself, you know,
as a guy that needs to change the game, as
Jackie Robinson. That's what Donaldson said that he was referring
to and that they'd joked about this in the past. Well,
the past wasn't Saturday. The past wasn't May thirteen on

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a hard slide, and part of me, you know, taking
it at face immediately there was there was an outcry
of it just at out racism on Donaldson's behalf. And
I don't pretend to know Josh Donaldson, what's in his
heart or what he was trying to get across there,
but how it's interpreted different time, different place. And while

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it may have been joked about and they may have
talked about in the past. You know, Tim Anderson has
been under fire in Chicago fielding woes early in the season,
hitting well, but White Sox aren't performing as well as possible,
and so you're trying to add layers and context to
it all rather than just immediately, you know, throwing racism.

(02:16:33):
But Yasmani grandal took exception. Tony Larusa labeled it as
racist in the post and and for me trying to
figure it out, right mid forties white guy, uh to
you know, pull pull back, just trying and that's my squad, right,
my White Sox squad, but trying to figure out how
much is is it overblown on the race side of

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thing or do we need to make sure that we
we take note each each and every time there's even
even a hint here, you know, so here here, here's
the thing. And I understand why Tim Anderson took offense
to it. Right, you talked about the league in which
you only have seven percent of the players are black,
even thought or Latino. Um, you're very sensitive to that.

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Tim Anderson has probably come up in the time when um,
look man, he's one of only two maybe three on
a baseball team sometimes, and so he understands it. So
he's had to kind of pipe down and kind of
bite his tongue um a few times. And so if
Donaldson is making reference to a comment made back in
twenty nineteen, uh, after a hard attack is certainly not

(02:17:41):
the opportunity, like when you're on the base pass or whatever, like,
that's not the chance, particularly coming off of what they
had the previous day. That's not the time to crack
a joe, regardless of whether you're saying like, oh I
was just playing on that, like no, you can't play
um the innocent ignorance deal, like oh I didn't know,
Like why would he take advance to that? Like you know,

(02:18:02):
like there's certain things where you know you can get
a rise out of a player. Well, but but even
just take it to the larger context, right, let's take
take a race away from it for a moment. But
say you're with a group of buddies and pent of
the time you can joke about the relationship they had
that just got torn asunder for a million reasons, right,
you can you can throw anything you want, whether it's

(02:18:23):
a marriage, just a dating situation, whatever, But then there's
going to be that day, in that moment where you
know what, it's not right, and you maybe you took
the the verbiage a little too far on a guy,
just to put it in a different context, but I
think it's along the same lane. Yeah. Look, and I
think anytime you have uh an incident like they had

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the previous day, right, because it's kind of been building, right,
it's been a week of uh that some week ago
or so, they had a little little thing and they
come back and have that like sometimes you have to
lift sleeping dogs. Lie Like sometimes it's not the time
to comment, Like you just say he's on the base whatever.
We don't really say much of anything, and we just
kind of go on give the nod and say it's
sucked him to the next, to the next even even

(02:19:09):
just turn him and ask if you're good or whatever. Right,
you know, because that was a week ago, and obviously
the way the schedules are working this year, you have
some very strange circumstances. I mean, not often are you
gonna see the White Sox playing a l East teams
a week later. Right, it's like, all right, you played
that series and now you're right back on him. So

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anything that did transpires, yeah, because like, look, everyone has
long memories and those things. But normally what would happen
is if you have an incident, you probably wouldn't see
them for three or four weeks. It's cool down. You
kind of plotted it out. You know, it looks it's
not front of mine like it is. But man, for

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it happened last weekend, didn't come right back. Yeah, that's different.
Yeah for me, it was just it was tough to
put the broad brush of just racist. But look, I
I again, I can't judge the man's intent. I can
question his um timing and his judgment and saying such.
Right in this case, you know, he was trying to say, hey,

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we've joked about that comment in the past, and that's
been a greeting. Well it wasn't one, right, And I
can't tell a guy how how to feel and how
to interpret what somebody says to you, right, And and
if that's how he was interpreted as it meant like
Donaldson could have presentment it that way, I I can't

(02:20:35):
say for certain but that's how Tim Anderson took it,
and you have to just work from there. Yeah, you
know this. This is tough though, because like it's one
of those things where you want to give people to
benefit of doubt, right, you want to give him race
in those things. And so like, let's take the racy
part out of it and let's just talk about like

(02:20:57):
the comment or whatever. Like in competition, when have a
heated battle, and um, you have a confrontation a week ago,
you're already approaching the game with the mindset of I
wish they would like you're already on your heart. You're like,
you'd like the cat that's already ready ready to pounce,

(02:21:17):
and you're just looking for any little thing to spark it.
And so that that comment, that moment, that whatever, like
sparked it for Tim Anderson. And so, um, look, man,
you know news cycles and stuff, we kind of like
to anytime we see the guys kind of ranging out
the dug out of whatever you like to talk about it.
But um, you know, only Donaldson understands what his intent was.

(02:21:40):
Only Anderson can tell us what he felt in that moment.
But I would say that you have all that in
the context of a game in which you have very
emotional players who just had a confrontational a confrontation. Yeah,
I'm not surprised that a kind of escalated uh right away.
And like I said, for those out aware, uh, because

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the White Sox aren't going to be followed nationally on
a minute a minute. Uh. Anderson's got seventeen multi hit
games this year, so batting wise, everything going according to plan. Uh.
In the field, he's been awful, and he's been hearing
it from the home announcers, including a number that do
White Sox post former manager Ozzy Gee and among them

(02:22:20):
who've been very critical. So uh, you know, put that
into a little bit of the background of how you're
approaching a game, uh, and the intensity that comes in
and then you have a situation play out. It was,
I guess, the perfect storm of everything Bucky to where
it boils over. Yeah. I mean, look, it's one of

(02:22:42):
those things where it boils over. But I give Tommy
Risk the credit because he is one of those he
never really running from the fight, stand up for his guys.
He's always he is always, always, always ready for it.
And just remember with Tim Anderson, when Tony Lusa took
the job. One of the questions was with the fun,

(02:23:03):
change the game kind of attitude of the young white
Sox squad that he was coming into. Was wondering if
old school and news school would mix. Well, Tony Larusa
going old school, and it's like, that's my guy, and
he's picking up for his guy. So you have to
respect that as you go. Hey, you think you had
a few more snaps in you, because I got a
league that might have the answer for you. Maybe one

(02:23:26):
I guess to make the work stuff is in order. Okay,
we'll talk about that in a moment. He's Bucky broke
up Mike Armen, Fox Sports Sunday. That story next, But
first it's Isaac lowin crowd with what's trending? Mike and Bucky.
We have some amusing breaking NBA news. Let's go, and
has just come down within the last few seconds. Yeah,

(02:23:46):
the NBA has just find the Dallas Mavericks again the
bench again, this time a hundred thousand dollars just because
they haven't found anything new find Cuban for in a while,
and and they realized revenue projections were off. What are
we doing? Hey, it's all about the bottom line. Follow

(02:24:07):
the money. I'm just saying, the NBA, here's the reason
for this new one thousand dollar fine. This is word
for word from the NBA. It's for quote, continuing to
violate league rules regarding team bench decorum. The amount of
Dallas is fine also reflects prior infractions of team bench

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decorum rules. In two NBA playoffs, on multiple occasions, several
players and a member of the coaching staff stood for
an extended period in the Mavericks team bench area, stood
away from the team bench, and we're on or encroaching
upon the playing court during game action. Unquote. That the

(02:24:54):
word for word reason by the n b A. And
you know, I remember, I think it was guy either
in high school or even junior high where I was
spotted by our vice principle standing for an extended period
of time and I was confronted by the vice principle
and I was told, you're on the wrong track. Don't

(02:25:16):
be like the Dallas Mavericks will one day or it
will cost you a hundred grand. Uh. Do we have
rules around here for Fox Sports Radio studio decorum? Mike
and Bucky. I don't know that anything is written, but
I mean it's like major League Baseball. There's a lot
of unwritten rules. So what do you got? What you
found an infraction for me? No? No, I'm just hoping

(02:25:36):
that I thought you were staring through the window at
Hartman and you had something to say. Oh well, I see,
I see multiple violations already as he points to me.
But yet I realized he's not listening to a word
I'm saying, as he often does anyway, A hundred grand
No word yet whether Mark Cuban is searching through his
couch cushions as we speak to try and scrounge up
money to pay that one hundred thousand dollar fine. His

(02:25:59):
Dallas Mavericks will be on the court tonight. Can't wait
to see the bens decorum tonight for Game three of
the Western Conference Finals in Dallas against the Golden State Warriors,
who lead the series two games to none. Final out
of the PGA Championship underway. Meto Pereira, twenty seven year
old from Santiago, Chile, as a three shot lead to
nine underpar overall ahead of American Wills La torus In

(02:26:20):
England's Matt Fitzpatrick. Pereira and Fitzpatrick ting off the final
pairing at two thirty five Eastern Time. One Major League
Baseball game going on right now. The St. Louis Cardinals
a seven nothing lead at Pittsburgh. They're only in the
top half of the second inning. But at least the
Pirates have not had to be docked a hundred grand

(02:26:41):
yet today, Mike and Bucky back to you. Thank you
so much. Add Isaac Loan Crow where you find on Twitter,
I'm gonna push that football story in that that thought piece.
Uh out, I've got ten minutes because I want to
talk about this. Fine. Okay, this irks me to no end. Okay,
the excessive standing whatever, If the guys in the front
row can't deal with it, stand up like we had that.

(02:27:01):
We went to a concert a week ago my my daughter.
You know, we took one of one of her friends,
and people in front, about halfway down the section stood
up and you could hear the people behind them yelling,
I didn't pay all this money to stand. It's like
it's a concert where people are dancing in the aisles
and dancing in their seats and you're gonna be mad

(02:27:21):
at them. Come on, grow up now. As as it
relates to this, right, I mean, look, it's if you
want to just sit in your chair and listen to music,
put on a CD, put on your you know I
Heart radio app and and listen to it. Listen to
some tunes. If you're going to a concert, there there's

(02:27:44):
a vibe, there's a field, there's a magic and an energy.
And people that want to dance to old Beatles tunes,
damn it, they're gonna get up and they're gonna shake
their thing. You may not want to look at it,
you may not want to see it. You may want
to avert your eyes to the gyrations that are being
put in forth in front of you. But that's their
right to stand up and groove as they want you.

(02:28:05):
They're in their seat, They're not bothering anybody. So stand
up yourself and and put your hands in your pocket
and watch. The problem I have with this, Mavericks Fine,
is that the league just shows how how dumb they
are in their processing of things. Okay, we're gonna continually
find you for excessive standing, celebrating and to the bench,
walking around whatever you're gonna do. Fine, But the Philadelphia

(02:28:30):
seventies sixers will only find fifty thousand dollars for violating
the league injury reporting rules. Remember when we don't know
and Beads probably not gonna go, oh no, he's ready.
When we got league betting partners, legalized gambling state to
state all of these things, that's a fifty dollar fine.

(02:28:50):
Integrity of the game is what they tried to claim
with all these injury reports, right, isn't that where we're
always told both for the NBA and for the NFL
and everything. Yeah, that's a fifty dollar fine. But because
you got a bunch of guys standing up to celebrate
their guys jack in threes, it's a hundred thousand dollar fine.
Dumb as this league. How you like that I slammed

(02:29:15):
a desk for authority with my good hand. I know,
I mean, I know I heard you, uh do it.
I think the thing that I wanted um them to
do it, Like I can send him be an off
the quarter a little bit, But I don't know that's fine,
it's necessary. Like they're part of the mix. I feel
like the NBA has guys all around you know, well,

(02:29:38):
you gotta figure out how that configuration is. Then if
this is if this is your response is to define
no again, you know, on on a grand scale, is
a hundred grand a lot of money for a team. No,
but it's it's the principle of the thing. Now you
take a lot of money, right. No, but like on
the just the largest gale, Right, it's a hundred grand

(02:30:02):
is a good amount of cash. Right. Whenever we see
a guy get fined like, oh he makes this much like,
don't tell me he still doesn't want that hundred grand
or grand for the hit that he wasn't flagged on
that he later gets fined on in the NFL or whatever. Right,
but it's it's like that, that's your answer to it.
All right, they're standing up, so let's let's find them

(02:30:23):
for this. No, no no, no, how about the solution is
that you figure this out? And people will say, well,
it's only the Mavericks consistently getting fine. It's like, all right,
they're being made the example of. But it doesn't mean
that it wouldn't be a league wide issue of guys
doing this or you know, getting loose over towards the
corners or whatever the case. May be time to figure
out how to create more space for them to operate.

(02:30:44):
If that's the problem. Um, so here's the thing I like.
I like the bench being in it because I kind
of like when Steph Curry hits shots and puts them
to sleep. Um, and when there's a little exchange back
and forth between the players on the court and the
players off the court, opposing players. Um, I'm here for

(02:31:09):
a little a little trash talking, here for a little
physicality and toughness in the playoffs. I think it adds
flavor to it. Um. I understand where if you're like, hey,
they're on the court, they're in the way, they're impeding, Uh,
things that are happening, But man, let them play a
little bit like this still should becoming fun. You gotta
be careful you start sounding like the No Fun League

(02:31:30):
here if you're the NBA with stuff like this, like
part part of the greatness is running past the bench
of the opposition after hitting a big shot, or going
down the line past your own bench when they're watching
something crazy happened, right. That excitement, enthusiasm, and that part
of the infectious nature of what you want in your environment,

(02:31:51):
in your arena. But no, you got a little bit
too too hype. Uh, so you're gonna sound I mean,
obviously it was up in in San Francisco, so that's
where this fine takes place, like what you were the
folks that spent a lot of money to come watch
the Warriors at the home base. We're mad because they

(02:32:14):
were getting drummed at the time, and so it's like
he came back and won the game. Okay, Now, I
don't know. Like to me, it's just when when you
have such a uni fine for something that is legitimate,
you know, should be a legitimate concern related to the

(02:32:34):
integrity of the game versus Yeah, this guy's waving a
towel and he's tall, so I can't see that's a
problem to me. Um, I think that's funny when people
get mad at games like that. Yes, I bought a
ticket to sit behind the bench, and then I'm mad
when the seven footer stands. Just just doesn't make sense

(02:33:01):
to me. Bucky, I'm sorry, like people, people get mad,
People get mad, So yeah I did, though. Just getting
up and dance, that's it. Just find a way to
dance through life a little bit. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm
Mike Carmen coming up next. I go back to that.
How do I get Bucky on the field for that
one last stamp? I might have a league that will

(02:33:22):
let him in because we got more guys clamoring to
get on the gridiron one more time. We'll tell you
where and how next on Fox Welcome Back Head, It's
Fox Sports Radios. Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carmen, Bucky Brooks
with the Fantastic four Hours of Fun Education Entertainment talked Saban, Yeah,

(02:33:45):
that was fun. Jimbo Fisher and taking offense. He didn't
really call you a cheater, but you took it as such.
So what are we going to get? I'm just waiting
for the guy to show up and goes I got receipts.
I joked about it, Uh, Bucky on on on our show,
Jason and I that it was if and even on

(02:34:06):
Twitter ats will dope. Uh. If someone would have turned
to Jimbo right then and said, hey, well, what what
do you know? What can you tell us all about?
You know, at the time, he would have been going
to the old Chappelle's show, Get Going, I plead the
fifth one to three four. All of a sudden, his
memory would have gotten a little hazy just that fast

(02:34:27):
would be my guests, because you know, it all ties together,
because you got Dion was at Florida State with Bobby
Bowden and so you know, you always they always wonder
rumor conjecture, speculation of college football back in the day
of what was all going on. So that all ties together,
which takes us to the now. We had that, We
talked Donaldson and Anderson, We talked a lot of the

(02:34:49):
NFL podcast going up in just a few minutes iTunes
or whatever you wherever you download your audio. Go to
Fox Sports radio dot com. Uh, look for Fox Sports Weekend,
Brooks and Harmon. Download to give it five stars and
evangelized friends and family. Uh, it's a gift that keeps giving. Uh,
there's a league that's you know, people are just trying
to eke out one more run, just for their own edification,

(02:35:13):
for their own fun. Right, everybody's got a hobby. How
about a hobby? We we what would it take to
get you? Maybe a full series of snaps Bucky in
the fan controlled Football League, because now you got Johnny Manzel,
Tarrell Owens. And it looks like Michael Vick is looking
to come out of retirement to join the startup league
as well. See him winging the pill around. So I

(02:35:37):
don't know, I think it's gonna be what it's it's
an eight team league now seven on seven style, fifty
yard field. I mean, that's that's a flick of the
wrist for Michael Vick, even a decade after retire. Is
it is it is is big enough to do it? Well,

(02:35:58):
that's the bottom line, right, oh, figuring out what the
check is versus the upt insurance premiums and everything else
that you're gonna have in post. You know, I always
love I mean, I do love the the concept of it, right,
and guys were wanting to make that one more run.

(02:36:18):
And it's curious because, like I tie it as I
so often due to the rest of the entertainment and
sporting entertainment world, which is to say, uh to guys
wanting to make that last ride as a wrestler, right,
one more walk down the aisle. Right now, they're hyping
a big thing that will be in theory Ric Flair's
final walk down the aisle walk down, not until until

(02:36:47):
they're doing the ten bells salute that we we learned
of the worst of worse. I'm calling it what it is.
You can't get away from it. It's your identity, I mean,
and when you lean into it as hard as he
has for so many years. What else can you do?
I mean that that's become who you are, you are

(02:37:09):
wrestler Rick Flair. I mean what else would you do?
I mean, the guy has been a legend since like
that up, I would say that the extra thing that
I would look to see more of. And they've done
some of these events. I was actually telling the guys here,
UH is the the next evolution of things. Uh is

(02:37:30):
Before his passing, Roddy Piper had started doing um like
storytelling nights, so I was like, all right, here's a
bunch of stuff from at comedy clubs, so it would
be like an hour of work and then he'd do
Q and A. And I got to see that and
meet him before before his passing. On that, mcfoley has
been doing a little of that flair occasionally on a

(02:37:50):
big stage in in front of a ton of people
at some of these conventions and all. But I think
that's the next iteration for NFL guys. That's how do
I get into a booth? M right? I mean it
isn't at it how to how to figure out, you know,
to get in on that line and again going back
to pay days, UH and the big conversation we had

(02:38:10):
about Tom Brady. Drew Brees no longer at NBC, but
between the podcasting world and the extending broadcast world, it's
you know, how do I get a piece of the pie?
I'm raising my hand. I want in on these you know,
tertiary and and fourth and fifth level broadcast too. I
can yell for three hours, let's go. I mean, look, man,

(02:38:32):
it's a wide open world when it comes to that. Uh,
Drew Brees, I have an opportunity. I think you know,
they talk about him going Fox because he wants to
do more games as opposed to studio stuff, which everyone
has their their thing, their thing that kind of fits
who they are and what they're about. And so I'm
sure we're here his name banded about. You get an
opportunity to get behind the mic and do what he does. Yeah,

(02:38:53):
I think with Breeze part of it, you know, recency
and obviously he's always going to be compared to Brady
one way or another being in that Arett not to
mention Peyton Manning and the success of the Manning cast,
even if the numbers aren't huge, the cultural impact for
football loving culture that is, uh, it was huge and
so for Breeze, trying to figure out who you are

(02:39:14):
from a personality perspective of letting people in, you know,
behind the curtain a bit. We've seen a little with
his kids that he gives us over social media, but
you know, to try to see who you are there.
The other is, yeah, when you're doing broadcasting and games,
if you want to do the technical analysis and and
you know, breakdown game film, that that's a whole different

(02:39:36):
schedule and skill that takes some time to develop. So
you know, one year isn't going to be the answer there.
So we'll watch the next iteration anyway, full day of
sporting action. Thanks for our watching some f one with
me and uh some of the other nonsense that I've
led you through on this morning. Always always a great,

(02:39:57):
nice and easy four hours that Bucky Brooks out Twitter.
Find me over at Swollen Dope. Steve Hartman, Rich Hornberger
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