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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:21):
the excitement in my voices, you know, a familiar face,
someone actually sitting in his studio with me.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
We could have since it's Jordan Anniversary time of year,
we could have released a statement saying we're back, or
we're back as a team. But apropos getting ready for
a huge day of college hoops and yeah, I'm good
to be with you.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Lots of stuff on the horizon here. What is old
is new again? Some of the laughing coming out out
of me with the Bulls thumping the Lakers last night
here in Los Angeles. You know, Lebron James took that
gauntlet off. Remember when he posted on social media, wow,
look at this schedule and then didn't play a minute

(01:00):
of it. We had the Brownie James seventeen point game
against your Bucks in a twenty nine point burial. Yes,
Lebron Luca back against the Bulls and they lose even worse.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
I'll tell you what, sometimes time off isn't the greatest thing.
That first day of work after a ten day vacation
sometimes is a rough one, Mike, And that sure seemed
to be the case for the Lakers last night. But hey,
how about your bulls smarting as the season starting to
wind out?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Kind of curious, curious, right? We love Scoragami in the NFL.
We had that Josh Giddy with the stat line nobody
in NBA history had ever put up. So you get
kind of that. Kobe White, your favorite players, favorite player
having himself another night, buddy. That's what I loved last night.
I texted you, guys, did you start throwing paper towards

(01:49):
a waste basket in your house?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
He's been great.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
I wondered how great he would be transferring, not transferring,
but transitioning to the pro game from North Carolina.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
And yeah, he's been a huge bright spot for the BA.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Bit by bit starting to get his game rounded out.
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Oregon getting after it. On the women's side, we've got

(02:25):
men's getting ready to tip up. Like there's so much
going on obviously everything else in our sporting universe as
we get ready towards opening day of Major League Baseball.
Yeah really, and I'm waiting on updates from my kids'
soccer game in Arizona. So lots of activity going on
here as Dan Bayer and I bring you for the
next two hours at Dan Byro on Fox where you

(02:46):
find and find me over at Swollen Dome, but one
of the storylines and I found a delicious theater. As
the week war on, you know how many people jumped
on board the Saint John's bandwagon. I think it was
more media members with New York roots then actually the
betting public because they were still twenty five to one
when things tipped off, so they didn't get that ground

(03:08):
swell of joqu public's money. But suddenly, and you and
I talking this out a little bit before we came
on air, Dan Is like, I think we just loved
the familiar so much and want to give it a
big hug. So Rick Patino and John Calipari facing off
became like this fuzzy, nostalgic Oh, isn't this cute kind

(03:29):
of thing? Two guys that five years ago people couldn't
rush to a microphone to say the most vitriolic, hateful
things possible about how they're the scourge of college sports
and everything wrong with college sports CALIBERI going, but my
guys have made thirty five billion dollars in the NBA.
Patino with all of his transgressions with the big Star

(03:50):
on one of his titles, all of that, but for
that matchup yesterday, it was like we were all standing
around a campfire singing Kumbaya.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
They always seem to be at at least tied at
the hip in some way or another. I mean, they're
teams nineteen ninety six Final four, when Patino was at
Kentucky and cal Perry was at UMass, even Patino going
to the NBA, then calip Perry doing the same thing
when he left the college game to go to the NBA,

(04:18):
and then you have these hit to say, like scandals
with schools in one way or another. Now Patinos I
think rose to different levels, but they still were marred
in controversy during their college times and then in a
way experiencing a rebirth with their new teams here and

(04:39):
this putting aside the fact that they were in state
rivals in one of the most basketball rich states that
we have in college basketball in Kentucky. And yeah, it's
like the two can't get away from each other. And Mike,
it's a little like I always feel like Celtics Lakers
was for many of us in the eighties, where it
was like, yeah, we really don't like either team, and

(05:00):
I think that was the case for a long time
with Patino and Calipari. But I think to your point,
it sure seemed to change yesterday.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
I mean we hadn't seen the face off since what
was it, twenty sixteen, So you have this long gap
for Calipari. I mean, now he moves into the Sweet sixteen,
hadn't been there since before COVID so twenty nineteen. So
I think the larger point for me, I think with
the Dan is in this changing face and we'll talk
about it throughout the show, and it's a resounding theme

(05:29):
as we talk about the NCAA tournament and where it
is and where it's headed, both on the men's and
women's side. Women's side is a whole other, weird kind
of thing because watching some of those games yesterday, it's
it's seventy point differentials. Yeah, you're waiting, you're waiting for
literally the team manager to go in and take some minutes. Sure,
down the stretch, things are so long.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
She was up like sixty one to twelve that had
It's not exact, but it was like you.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
But like you got game.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
We had it.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
We were at out to lunch my older daughter and
they got a couple of the men's game, and then
there's the Yukon women's game, and she goes, shouldn't they
stop this? Like well, let's say it's not kids' sports anymore.
Like this doesn't seem like that's helping anybody. And to
Gino Arim's credit, he's like, you know, they fought, they competed.
Obviously we didn't beat the Lakers, and they also had

(06:19):
to stay, you know, forty five minutes away from the facility,
which makes no sense. But all of that to say
is that we keep looking and trying to hold on
to vestiges of what was, and in Calipari and Patino
we get to do that because they're familiar now. And
with Calberi, I mean he was playing by these rules.
If we all just want to be honest with ourselves

(06:42):
a long time ago, right in terms of the players
coming in and whatever. And in college basketball, Look, anybody
that talks about the sanctity of the game, I always chuckle, like,
we go back, we know that Wooden had a bag man. Okay,
I mean, like there's it's a it's a dirty, open secret,
all of it. But it's the familiar of guys that

(07:02):
have been around in an era where most of those
coaches are now telling us what they see from a
broadcast position, either courtside or in a studio because they
didn't want to deal with this next iteration of things.
Whereas Patino and cal Perry, when we don't necessarily know
the faces of the players like we used to because
of the transfer portal, because of the one and done's

(07:25):
all of these things that we can at least grab
onto those guys because they've been in our homes for
thirty years.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Absolutely, the most famous Duke Blue devil of them all
is Mike Krzyzewski, and it's not even close. And when
you could go do the same thing with Syracuse and
we know Carmelo Anthony, we know Derek Coleman, we know
Pearl Washington and Sherman Douglas. But Jim Beheim, when I mean,
I know you're next to it Syracuse grad night in
and night out, But I haven't seen a Syracuse highlight

(07:53):
on my TV since Jim Bayheim stepped down.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I mean, it's no.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
And so it's well, I mean, they just had a
graduating class that ever knew the glory of an nc
double A term.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
So it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
So to your point, yeah, there is something about the
familiarity of these coaches, and then it does beg to
your other point, you mentioned Brownie James in a seventeen earlier.
I felt Brody's game on Thursday would have been much better,
would have been much more popular if it was in
the NCAA tournament, whether it be at Duquine, whether it

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be at USC, whether it be at a at a
different school. Because even the biggest star of this tournament,
who's playing today in Cooper Flag outside of Cooper Flagg
you're still trying to learn about these players and know
about these players, and that's been a college basketball issue.
It actually was a little bit of a college football
issue for a while as well. And we'll have hot

(08:48):
Heisman years, then we'll have not Heisman years when you
know players that are in and then other ones you're
not so sure about. So it's not necessarily strange to
college basketball or college sports. But to your point of
Tino and Caliperry being the hated ones, and it actually
reminds me to pull it full circle. We did the
Kobe chan of Kobe when he was retiring and playing

(09:10):
in his last game. I was never a Lakers fan.
I was never a Kobe fan, But in the end,
I'm pulling for him, and I think that that is
a part of this. You forget all the reasons why
you may dislike a player, why they broke your team's heart,
whatever the case is. And I felt that was the
case with Patino, felt it was the place with Cal
I mean and Patino. I don't even feel bad about
Mike because of the run that they had this year,

(09:34):
like it was, I mean, it was magical for them
to win the biggest regular season at MSG and then
to win the tournament like they had a full season,
didn't get it done in the NCAA tournament. But yeah,
to your point, I think I think everybody became melancholy
about those two yesterday.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, he gets us one of those storylines to grab
onto in a year where you're grasping, right, you're a
huge college Buckets fan, so you're gonna have subplots and
as we go on to the show, there's subplots to
the to the tournament that the casuals and and admittedly
I watch a lot of college basketball here, like when

(10:11):
we're on in studio and at home and whatever else,
but it's not the same intensity that maybe it used
to be. Part of it is you know, as your
your child starts to get older, you're pulled in a
million different directions, right, that's certainly mine, and you start
to come compartmentalize and do the aforementioned Jason Smith, who

(10:33):
will he picks Saint John's so he's gonna wear that
on Monday? Is the the idea that, you know, if
we're not gonna talk about it with great regularity during
a season, kind of gets pushed off. Right, I love
hockey how much mon Run. Can I get out of
Ovechkin takes far right? I mean, hey, Conter Bedard with
the with the Blackhawks, that's great. They stink. So as

(10:55):
much as you've got a new up and coming guy,
there's only so much you can do college basketball. And
I take this into my pastime of you know, trading
cards and everything. Dan, like you can open a box
of the college trading cards. Half the guys aren't with
the team that they're pictured with. You're right, yes, it's
like hey, and you'll watch a breaker's like hey, look
the quarterback from the Yeah he transferred. It's like this, yeah, yeah,

(11:18):
he's actually already in the pros.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Now the teams are being eliminated from the NCAA tournament
and you're hearing transfer portal news.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It is. It goes back to the coaches.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
What is interesting And I want to play two Patino cuts,
one that he said yesterday if we've got it, and
then compared to what he said a year ago, which
is is very interesting. But Mike, the new places that
these coaches are in I also think helps. And it's
not that Arkansaw is this down trodden place. Eric Musselman

(11:49):
was taking them to Sweet sixteens. It's just it's just
a different feel when Cal comes there and Saint John's.
I mean, how much was made about the you know,
the twenty five years and from them ending their their
big East drought. I mean it was basically back to
Ron Artest and Eric Barkley were like the last glory days.

(12:10):
And then when you're really going back, you're thinking, okay,
the late Milik Sea League, Chris Mullen. But so Patino
going to Saint John's and revitalizing that program had a
different feel because of what Saint John's hadn't done. If
you would have went to Villanova it was off two
national championships recently, I don't think it's the same trail.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Well, you reactivate the whole New York area.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, yeah, yes, and how great that was for the city.
It was just it was really amazing, and it warms
you up to it. And when you don't have a
dog in the fight to bring back that nostalgia and
to bring back everything with it, yeah, it made you.
It made you pull and people were choosing sides. Yesterday
you had to choose sides. I think more people were
probably signing with Saint John's because of just everything that

(12:54):
came with it this season. But maybe in the end
Arkansas needed to move on more than Saint John's did
for all that they got this season.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
Good grind Saint John's. Ultimately there was a lit on
the basket. We'll get into the benching of an eighteen
and a half point per game score because that exchange
with reporters was pretty interesting for Rippetino in the in
the post games. So we've got that going for us.
But as we continue, you know, we'll talk about the
wide world of sports. We have some NFL, we've got

(13:22):
some NBA coming up. In about a half hour, we're
gonna play the feud. The family is back together, so
Dan brought his long stick microphone to get things going.
We get we're still efforting the Plinko game that's now
available at Costco, but that's not with us just yet.
So eventually it'll be.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That would Carnival, Yes, yeah, it would. It's it would
be a great furniture piece. But as they said to you,
playing it is just tricky when there isn't ten thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
No, that's just it. You have to figure out prizing.
This is one that you take to a school carnival. Yes,
and just keep the kids occupied for days at a time.
But we'll continue with that at Dan bar on Fox
where you find and find me over at Swollendome as
to continue an interesting, unimmodest or a very ingenious proposal
from one college football coach. Yeah, and for once we're
not actually talking about his kid. Let's do that next

(14:12):
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Speaker 1 (14:25):
Hey, welcome back in Fox Sports Sunday. Here Fox Sports Radio,
my garment Dan Byer with you as we get ready
for another huge day of the NCAA tournament. They're hitting
them on the links. Sure, there's myriad soccer games to watch,
some spring training baseball. I can watch the White Sox
lose another game. Spring training has not even been good, Dan.

(14:47):
I can't even say, Hey, the kids are gonna be okay.
What do you got for fet.

Speaker 6 (14:52):
I don't know if I want to talk about soccer today,
just given you know, USA losing to Panama.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, no, we lasted that the other day round. We
said the the happiest guy going was Burholter that he
was playing Van Halen's Panama as his ring tone, and
he was having everybody call every phone that he possibly
could link that up to.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Hey, I always thought, is it is it when he
goes in the in the sign, is it record machine
or is it wrecking machine? I never knew what David
Lee Roth said in Panama.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I've always interpreted as wrecking machine myself because it just
sounds better.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
But then I'm like, well, it is music, yeah, so
is it like a jukebox sort of thing? But I
thought it was wrecking machine as well. I just maybe
I'm the only one that was confused at that lead.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I think you're right. I think I think it is
record machine. The other just sounds better.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
And I know I thought with you, like I thought
it was wrecking Machine as well. But we'll have to
there's gotta be some lyrics sight that can at.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Least yeah, but on a Sunday morning, I'm not going
to go into the dramatic reading that you can do
late at night on Fox Sports Radio. So you can
go find the the whole Burholter conversation Smith that I
had and then at Chris Purfett we find in Pride
of Detroit and he does his soccer a minute or
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(16:16):
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and now we're gonna start doing all sorts of lyrical searches.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well along that it was jump. It wasn't even Panama.
It was in John. That's what I just sang.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
The whole song started again. It started getting.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Don't worry about it, Yeah, move on. It's early.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Synapses fire, Dan Hagar.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
But we at least knew it was, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
Well, even if it was, I've had that debate with folks.
Do you like uh, Sammys van Halen better than David
Lee Roth's eight seven seven? No, We're not going to
do that today. Colorado and Syracuse have filed paperwork with
the NCAA requesting the ability to hold spring practices and
a game together in April. This, according to Syracuse coach

(17:16):
Fran Brown, now bylaws prevent teams from having these intercollegiate
practices and exhibition games against each other. But now it's
an interesting wrinkle to the age old question of what
becomes of spring games because this year, Dan, you know,
the long honored tradition, a lot of tickets sold, a
lot of first looks at the new talent, a lot

(17:38):
of where you can really go and pass the hat
for nil money. In this day and age, right when
we're talking about eighty thousand people at Nebraska or filling
the shoe or whatever else, you go down the line,
all these huge crowds and a number of teams saying, well,
we don't want folks coming in and taking a look

(17:59):
at what we're doing, but who's doing it and potentially
the behind the scenes poaching that's gone. Look, that's gonna
happen regardless, but if there's a guy that you're trying
to hide, I understand the sentiments. So we've seen a
number of schools already canceled their spring games. They'll do
some walkthroughs, sign some autograph, shake some hands, kiss some

(18:19):
babies and whatever, and do it all in a practice bubble.
But I like this proposal from Dion Sanders and Fran
Brown against Syracuse now a football school, owing to our
prior conversation of what's going on over there. Even if
Carmelo Anthony's sun is showing up. I like that commercial
of him getting that mini statue though. That's pretty funny.
You gotta gotta watch that. But for this, you know,

(18:43):
trying to figure out as you have a changing landscape
for players, for coaches, and how we interact and look,
all of it is a giant TV show, news flash.
It's all about getting more eyeballs, getting more money to
flow in from TV networks and in these particular cases,
flowing back into it. Because look, we've watched spring games

(19:03):
on Saturday mornings, right, they televise them. Hey, get ready,
whether it's Big ten Network or ESPN or insert your
local station, like, here's your look at your squad, and
they do crazy ass ratings all the time. Because if
you're invested in a squad, you paid your tuition, you
grew up watching a team, you stay with them. Right,
The loyalty. You may decide your pro teams. I've done

(19:26):
with them because of the way they do business. But
whatever college team has infected your heart, that does not
go away. So you're always curious and on the preiphery
and the way things have changed, and we're watching some
of these spring games go to the wayside. I like
the innovative side of this. I really hope the NCAA,
that normally can't get out of its own way, sure
allows this to go through and they hold their blue

(19:48):
ribbon panel or whatever, and that they can actually make
this happen for the spring Mike.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
It's like in the NFL when every team is trying
to find their franchise quarterback for the next fifteen years,
and the Eagles are like, all right, we're.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Just gonna run the football.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
We're just gonna take We're gonna sign this running back
and run over you because we have a really good
offensive line. And what do you know, they win this.
They win the Super Bowl. So to your point where
everybody's like, we don't want the spring game. We don't
think there's it's value. We're afraid we're gonna lose players.
Here's Dion doing the exact opposite, and I actually think
it increases the viability for fans. I always looked at

(20:23):
the spring game in a way of maybe it's an
opportunity for a family or friends to go to a
stadium that normally wouldn't have access to tickets to a game.
Now I do think it's easier in college than it
would be, say in the NFL, and maybe not as pricey,
where if a bad opponent comes to town, you can
be like, hey, with these these tickets are cheap, we

(20:45):
don't care to see you know, North South East West University.
We'll just give them away and you can give them
to someone. I don't think you could do that a
lot in the NFL, sometimes with certain bad opponents. But
the point being it's getting into the stadium and having
that atmosphere. So this spring game I always felt was like, oh,
that's awesome. People who normally don't go to the stadium
or have kids, maybe their fall is busy because their

(21:07):
kids aren't a bunch of sports, and the spring is
better for them. Maybe that allows them to go and
check out those games. I went to a spring game.
It went to a couple of spring games, and I
love football, and it was one of the worst sporting
events I went to because you could only you really
can't take anything from it. So even the good and
the bad, you're saying like, well, this will be determined

(21:29):
in the fall. To now have another opponent out there,
to have two different uniforms, to see your team do
better than that team, that adds value. And honestly, if
you can do it in a way where you have
Syracuse in Colorado, like Colorado's got a home game against
Delaware coming up in the fall. Would you rather go
see the Delaware game or would you maybe see what

(21:50):
this spring game is all about? I actually think that
it could add value in a time where people when
they're looking at their season tickets and renewing season tickets,
and Colorado's we had a lot of buzz. So maybe
they're not the greatest example, but I know friends of
mine who have season tickets to college football teams and
they're like, you know what, we don't play anybody good.
Our conference is mediocre. We don't have teams coming to

(22:12):
our stadium. I'm not sure I'm going to renew. And
maybe you won't need an Alabama or you need an
LSU or a Notre Dame to come to your stadium
to make it that package worthwhile. I think that this
could only add value if you could even put it
in terms of a package sort of deal. So I'm
I'm all for it. When everybody else is digging, there's zagging.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, I'm trying to figure out, you know, And I'm
sure this is the thought process for the Colorado Brass
of all right, how do we keep the heat? Right?
Hunter's gone, Chador is gone. We have no idea what
this next iteration is. You can talk about all the
guys that are transferring in, but does that electricity remain
because part of the juice for better or for worse,

(22:54):
because oftentimes it's been worse in our business, and certainly
in the message boards. Is Dion with his son and
now it's deon the coach. Right. The kid's gone. He's
got to go do his own thing, whether he goes
to the Giants or the Steelers or whatever whatever team
he ends up with. You know that part of that

(23:17):
chapter's closed on the Dion Sanders coaching playbook. So I'm
the interested observer of all right, what do you do
now that the kid that obviously have a lifelong relationship
with you can talk to however you need to talk
to you know, a heart brass tax get down to it.
Uh and who grew up watching you take heat at

(23:40):
every turn, so he learned to deal with that. And
you know we we have all those reports because he's
threatening Dione, I know who called him arrogant? Like Eric,
it's not necessarily a bad thing. And to be ahead,
to be a quarterback and of any level of success,
it's like being in our business, you got to have
some level of arrogance sure to you to decide, Hey,

(24:00):
I'm gonna open up a microphone, do you need to
carry it and keep you know, reminding people of stuff.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
No.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
But for for Shador Sanders, the fact that only one
guy said that I'm a little concerned on that side,
and it's like that that he didn't come off as
you know that that confident and whatever, because that's the
way he's carried himself. But the point is for Dion
Sanders trying to innovate and go to this next step,
it's like, all right, how do you innovate and keep

(24:26):
the game moving? And to your point, this is an
opportunity for folks to maybe come see I mean, he
has ce Syracuse too, wherever this gets played. But you
get to come to the stadium, you're gonna get to
see the new toys, the new players, probably do some
meet and greets, and that next generation of fans you've
sucked them in. Because that's the challenge for every sport,

(24:48):
for every business, right except for fast food places, every
place else is how do we get the eyeballs, hearts, minds,
and wallets of the next generation.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
And that it's it's a different way to do it,
and it's not gonna it's not gonna be earth shattering,
but I sure like it better than we're not gonna
do it at all. And if you go to one
of those games, or if you were to go to
say a Delaware Colorado game, maybe in the second half
you're seeing more of more of the reserve players. And

(25:20):
I'm using Delaware as an example because Delaware is on
Colorado's schedule this upcoming fall. It's a spring game where
if you don't want to play your starters, mic or
your stars, because everything is set, at least you're watching
your guys compete against another now power five school or
power four school. And in Syracuse, and I just I'm

(25:40):
all for that to see two different sets of uniforms
on the field, I think is great. What's tricky is
the NCAA is gonna hear this petition on April tenth.
Syracuse's spring game is scheduled the twelfth, and Colorado's is
the nineteenth, So I don't know what. Maybe Syracuse would
still go through their operation two days later, maybe lighten

(26:01):
it up if they were to compete against Colorado. So
the window is tight to do it. But I actually
just like how Deon brings it up. Fran Brown responds,
they do something about it and this could actually happen.
That's like getting stuff done.

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Let me ask, do Colorado or Syracuse have anybody on
the steering commission?

Speaker 4 (26:21):
Hi?

Speaker 1 (26:21):
North Carolina?

Speaker 3 (26:24):
Man, Hey, you can do.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
A hard knock on anybody named Buddy that you.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Can get Gosh, yeah, seriously, But you're right.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You can do a whole off season of programming if
other schools did this as well. Right, how do you
approach it? What do you show? How do you build this?
But I'm also looking at it like revenue, where you're
trying to figure, like Eve, even if the tickets are
five bucks, you sell fifty thousand of them there's more
for your whatever whatever facilities, whatever auxiliary staff to get

(26:55):
a little more juice.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Think if it was the other way around, And think, Mike,
think if Colorado went to Syracuse. You don't think there
would be a buzz in Syracuse that Deon Sanders is
bringing his team. Take any other top college program, Say
you're Texas A and m okay, they're old ad is
now at Ohio State. Hey let's do a spring game
sort of thing. Ohio State goes down to college station

(27:18):
to do a that would be amazing, Like how many.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
People would get involved and be excited about that.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
To have that school just come on down, even if
it was for a spring practice. I think it can
only add value instead of taking it away and trying
to protect what's yours.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
The other opportunity and this flips on the on its
head the old concept of bowl games to a degree,
because now you can make this a big event. Yeah,
and the travel and the tourism of hey, we're going
to hold a couple of workouts culminating in this this game.
Whatever it becomes, whatever you agree to, whatever the NCAA

(27:54):
and the last vestiges of power and struggles that they
have there try to hold on to that they allow
you to do. I think there's a whole other cottage
industry that helps build momentum long long into a season.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Absolutely, it just it gives you another reason to do it.
Teams will be scheduling UNLV so then their fans can
maybe travel go have a vacation in Las Vegas. It
may not be like it was a real game, but
I just think that it adds value to it. And
kudos to Dion and frand Brown for trying to make
it work.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
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I'm doing really terribly on Idean.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
You're doing okay, you're not doing Steve Hartman, well, who's
on top of the brackets, but you're doing okay.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay, there's the mention. So the challenge is for his
entire show. He can't say a damn word about it.
All right now, Dan, I turned the Giants stick microphone
back over to you.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
It's great to be here, and it's great to be
surrounded by friends or should I say family, more specifically
the foxfamily. As we play the feud, Mike Carmen, Chris Purfett,
Bo Benson, and Isaac Longcron make up the Foxfamily. Always
trying to make these topics not Steve Hartman timely irrelevant. No,
Shae got a lifetime ban because of Steve Hartman.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
But then I had to peel back on it. He
had to apply for reinstatement because otherwise my other games
couldn't be played without Shay. But it was originated by
uh so Shay was like Barry Bonds and Steve Hartman
was victor CONTI because he was supplying Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
With the set.

Speaker 7 (30:25):
If I remember, he fed him the Saint Louis Hawks.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Yes, it did, that is correct.

Speaker 5 (30:29):
Good.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Steve is leaving the building. Top seven answers on the board.
Try to make these relevant or timely. I thought this
was a fun one because I want to know the
seven Division one basketball schools that come from the state
of Utah. All right, the seven Division one basketball schools
that come from the state of Utah. Bo bent In

(30:50):
an hour ago is like, I'm not a huge into
college basketball, so this is just going to but but
it doesn't have to all be college basketball if you
really think about it.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
Mike Carmen, your first up.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, I'll just take by you and runolfs.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
All right, show me BYU. There we go.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I don't want to say number one answer because I
think that could offend the other six one.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
That's great. Now you're ranking the schools. That's the number
one answer.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Dance not fight the BYU Cougars in provo. There is
a pass available, a pass available.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
If we need.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
If you don't know the answer, I'll reveal one of
the correct answers. Let's go over to Chris Perfett.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
Oh yeah, we'll just make this easy.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Utah University of Utah show me the Utes there. They
are obviously based in Salt Lake City. Now is where
the fun begins.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Bo Benson, Utah State.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
Utah State. Show me the Aggies of Utah State.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
They were a ten seed in the NCAA Tournament, lost
to UCLA in the first round of the Midwest Region,
but they were in the dance over to Isaac Lohenkross.

Speaker 8 (31:52):
I broadcast games at two of the harder schools in
this one.

Speaker 7 (31:56):
So let's go with the Wolverines. Utah Valley.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Show me Utah Valley and beautiful Orum Utah Correct Isaac
got him Orham got him?

Speaker 3 (32:08):
All right? Mike back around to you.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Pass is available Utah Valley.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Utah Valley is off the board.

Speaker 2 (32:14):
We're looking for the top the seven Division one basketball
schools that are based in the state of.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Utah because I probably have no idea. I'm just gonna
go down the Utah. Uh, just use Utah as my base.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
That's fine.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
And how about a tech show me Nickel College, show
me Utah Tech.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
There they are the Trailblazer formerly Dixie State, changed their
name recently based in Saint George, Utah.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Utah Tech is correct.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
But they were Dixie State. Yes, that's that's interesting. They
gave themselves a tech that is an interesting.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Twitch here in the tire rat.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
By the way, I.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Love Mike's way of thinking because it was one of
the reasons why I'm like, oh, maybe this could work
if we go down that road. By the way, the
tease of sting. Utah is the Beehive state. So that's
why we are we are talking about the stead of Utah.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I'm learning so much about Utah.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
All right, Chris Purfet.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Now I want to make this clear. I only know
this because I am in absolute degenerate when it comes
to college football and watch the FCS playoffs, and I
would like to shout out Weber State.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Okay, let's go to the judges. Are we going to
allow that? Show me Weber State? Weber Yes, weber home
of Damian Lillard. Yes, there you go, Ogden, Utah, Ogden, Utah,
home of the Weber State Wildcats. The pass is off
the board. Sorry, Bo Benson. Oh, no answer, one answer left,

(33:53):
no strikes. Perfect game. Nobody talked to Bo Benson. Right
now we have a perfect game on the line. Can
you give us the final answer?

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Well, that perfect game is over. There's game. There's gotta
be a Loyola in Utah or something.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Christianity.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
All right, show me Loyola of you No, actually is
it Loyola of Utah.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
No, it is not.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I love the effort, though, going down the harmon way
of thinking Isaac Low and cron.

Speaker 7 (34:26):
Well again, I've actually broadcast a game.

Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yes, here we go the Thunderbirds of Southern Utah.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
Show me s u U the Cedar City, Utah, Utah School.

Speaker 7 (34:44):
They have a really good arena by the way.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Actually yeah, yes, past Cedar City, north of Saint George
by I don't know exactly how far it is. I
have a buddy who lives like in a town called Hurricane,
which is right before you go into Zion National Park.
But Cedar City is just north of there. You drive
past it as you go on your way to Salt

(35:06):
Lake City. So there it is your top seven answers.
You got them all. I just found it. I did
it on the heels of BYU's win last night against
Wisconsin in the second round of the NCAA Tournament, playing
in Denver. But I also think, Mike, it's one of
those schools that are one of those states that you
wouldn't think that there would be seven.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
So seven Division one. I mean, this is where we
as you gave one of the clues though, right, you
start thinking about other sports, yes, and extrapolating from there
that it's not all we always default to football and basketball.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
And Utah Tech like to think of Utah Obviously Chris
did one of the answers that was obvious, but yeah,
Utah Tech.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Weaber state Utah State.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
As soon as we had the Valley Dan, That's where
I was like, all right, now, we're just gonna put
word association with Utah as a base I.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Will also say, because I do know Isaac's background of
calling games, that I felt that if push came to shove,
he also would know a couple of these Utah Valley
The Wolverines lost in the championship game to Grand Canyon
in the Whack Tournament, So I think Utah Valley actually
is in the NIT if they've already played.

Speaker 7 (36:20):
But Mark Pope used to be their head coach by
the way.

Speaker 3 (36:22):
So yeah, then obviously b YU and now at Kentucky.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Mark Pope getting his run because old shots of him
shooting free throw.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Tonna Harman's pull of Utah Tech was amazing, So job
well done.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Just think to Illinois. We got plenty of texts running around.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
I wanted to hear a Utah A and m That's
what I wanted to hear.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Well, maybe there's one still out there that we just
haven't ferreted out. All right, back into the NCAA tournament
in earnest with Dan, I'm Mike. This is Fox Greetings,
and welcome in hour two of the program. Today, a
beautiful Fox Sports Sunday with you action all over the
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(37:04):
mixing some preseason spring training baseball. I think the Dodgers
play again today.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
They play real games, and then they come back and play.

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Now they gotta play the Angels in one of those.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
I suppose they need something they'll do until Thursday.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Give them a couple of days to stretch out. They
should have gotten back on the proper time zone and
all of that stuff at this point starting the season
two and zero. And you know me, with all my
South Side Chicago gear, watching the Cubs start zero and
two is always warms the heart for me. Dan Byer,
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(37:39):
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women's side, we got Duke and Oregon getting after at
one point game eight minutes left in the third quarter.
It still is always jarring to see three Q up
on a board, but we're talking college sports. And then
the one that we're keenly observing here and rapped attention

(38:24):
Yukon and Florida go to the break tied at thirty one.
Danny Hurley we talked earlier last hour. We're gonna get
right back into Rick Patino here in a minute, but
we talk about coaches and how they capture our attention.
And Danny Hurley one of those guys that is like
a WWE superstar, you don't know how to feel about him,
is a heel is you know face because if you

(38:47):
want to embrace the villain, because we're still in the
anti hero phase. I think of life, whether it's the
Taylor Swift song or just television and movies. A guy
who you know, with Creighton at the end of the year,
was doing in the ring gesture of ah got Tune
and Blake you I'm the greatest coach there ever was,
And then they beat him.

Speaker 3 (39:06):
He runs hot, yes he does, which is.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Kind of fun. I mean, I love the fiery nature
of it. But I also called on them to lose.
So I needed them to lose in Gonzaga, to lose
because then I look like I actually might know something.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Well, that's the interesting thing is I actually think and
I don't think I'm misremembering. But it was a week
ago when the bracket came out and when we were
talking about eight to nine seeds, I almost, in a
way felt we kind of just pushed Yukon to the
side a little bit. I don't think we were talking
about this matchup with Florida as much as we were
saying Louisville.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
They're gonna be playing.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
In their backyard in Lexington, just down the road, an
hour and fifteen minutes away. Man, they could give Auburn
a run for their money. Well, they didn't even make
it past Creighton. And then to your point about Gonzega,
there are a lot of arguments that experts saying, Man, Gonzega.
I had them as a five seed, They won the
West Coast Conference tournament, playing really well metrics wise, there,

(40:00):
numbers look great, and they come in as an eight seed.
And when you talked about those eight to nine matchups,
I don't think we were talking about Yukon as much.
We were talking more about Louisville. We're talking about more
about Gonzaga. Now, neither of those schools in the tournament anymore.
Yukon has an opportunity to make it to a Sweet
sixteen again.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Yeah, I Gonzaga gave a nice late effort to get
you your push if you had them plus five.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, they had a chance to tie it at the end,
just couldn't they. Well, they got a shot off, it
just went right back into their face and then in
the hands of the Houston defense.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
There you have it. But yeah, we're talking Hurley and
watching him, waiting to see, you know, the next explosion
on the official or if he get to a post
game at post loss, certainly there Florida second half five
and a half is your number for that one. As
the interested observers trying to figure out, you know, halftime

(40:54):
adjustments and what it all means as you flow through
last night. Obviously you know a lot coming off of
the Rick Patino John Caliperi matching matchup, and we got
to do the build up. We had the back page
of the New York Post and we gave it names
like we're putting together celebrities in a relationship and all

(41:17):
of those things. And we watched because here's thirty five
years of coaching, right, here's the names that we know
for this tournament. Look, a lot of celebration of Cooper
flag Duke and what they did round one, Like I
would have had him play in the layup line and
then sat him back down. But that's fine. You got

(41:37):
proof of concept that he's healthy and ready to go
as they get ready to advance, and a lot of brackets.
I want to say, it was like a quarter of
brackets had Duke winning it when it's all said done.
But Caliperi and Hurley and Patino or the three stars
along with tom Izzo and some of the old guard
that are still around, and we're learning some of these

(41:57):
new names, but also how they deal with stuff. Patino
helped I think a lot by some of the little
vignettes from the TV show that we're making the round,
and as we talked about last hour, check out the podcast.
Wherever you get your podcasts, you know a little bit
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(42:18):
in a new college age, we want the warm and
fuzzy feel of a familiar friend.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Absolutely, Mike and listen. It has been a great story,
and it's been a great story out of New York.
I will also say this, I think it is one
hundred percent fair. They're not cheap shots for people to
be critical of Patino, considering the background what happened at Louisville. Sure,
and now him back.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
In the game. Now you can't.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
You can't sit there and always talk about it. I
think like at some point you do have to move on.
But I think there was a little bit of when
they won the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference at IONA and
he got to the tournament, there was a little bit
of that. And then when I look at what happened
at Saint John's, this is the first real big success.

(43:03):
So it's fair if you wanted to go back and criticize.
The thing that I would say, though, is sometimes we
give Rick Patino maybe too much leeway. And I think
it was evidence in his postgame press conference yesterday when
he was asked about r J Lewis and Lewis not
playing what the final five minutes?

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Five minutes?

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, yeah, if you missed it, this was the exchange
with the reporter after the game.

Speaker 9 (43:32):
You had RJ on the bench, you know for a
pretty long stretch at the end.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
Was that just because he just wasn't making him or
was there something more to it?

Speaker 9 (43:41):
Played thirty minutes. It's a long time, so he was tired. No,
played thirty minutes and I went with other people.

Speaker 4 (43:48):
You already know the answers. Roger, you're asking leading questions.
You already know it, So don't ask leading questions. Geordy
know why he didn't play?

Speaker 9 (43:55):
Was there one play with RJ that made you sit
him the last five minutes?

Speaker 4 (43:59):
You know he was three seventeen, You know he was
over three, So you're answering your home.

Speaker 9 (44:02):
I'm not gonna knock one of my players.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Okay, you did without doing it, but I would have
just kept leading him. Eventually you're getting a Colonel jessup
on the stay in moment.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
He was three for seventeen. I'm not gonna knock one
of my players. I kind of feel like you just did.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
As soon as you gave the stat.

Speaker 5 (44:18):
Lie.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Yeah, there was some question well about the way that
r J Lewis was handling himself. Get he's the star
player for Saint John's. But it's also the point of
Patino and I'm using air quotes to Mike here not
taking the bait and taking the high road of not
criticizing his player.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
How soon we.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Forget this was February of twenty twenty four, Yes, last season,
just a season ago. Rick Patino talking about his team
after a loss.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
We are so non athletic that we can't guard anybody
without fouling. I don't think they move well laterally. I
don't think they're gonna pick it up in the next week.
I take this slow laterally. I mean on Conway gives
you everything he can. He's slow laterally. About five guys
of slow laterally. Even even the Celtics when we lost,
I've enjoyed every minute being a bus and Celtic coach

(45:10):
didn't like the fact that we lost in that following year.
But this has been the most unenjoyable experience I've had
since I've been coaching.

Speaker 9 (45:16):
Do you have any second thoughts of taking this job. No,
not at all. It's not Saint John's my team.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
I think they're very respectful they here, but they don't
It's taken me a month to get them to throw
bounce passes, actually two months to throw bounce passes. Just
thinking of getting ready for Georgetown because George Young could
definitely beat us.

Speaker 9 (45:35):
I'm not even thinking of the future at all.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
I'm just thinking of the next game and the next game,
in the next game, and that's it.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Oh so rich.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
So that was thirteen months ago, So like, let's let's
be real of Patino, not of taking the high road.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
Considering I also think he threw R. J. Lewis under
the back.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
I don't think he really did Dan. I think he
goes back to door fans.

Speaker 9 (45:57):
Kevin McHale's not walking through that door, and Robert Parrish
is not walking through that dog.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I think he took a line from the nineteen eighty
eight classic by the great Keith Whitley. Now, a lot
of it is a love and a hug and whatever.
But you say it best when you say nothing at all.
And he didn't say nothing. He gave you the three
for seventeen, so he gave you just a little nugget.
He didn't go full on the stand screaming yeah I
ordered a Code red, but he did. Now the curiosity,

(46:23):
and this is where if I'm the reporters, I don't
let it go because I want to know it's like,
is it because he's a ball stopper and at this
point he's become a chucker. So you're not getting the
extra passes and creating more offensive There's a guy that
averaged eighteen points for you a game.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, and there's and it's also a scenario where everything's
gone right for them this year. Sure, and now you
have a bit of adversity, and maybe the young kid
doesn't respond in the way that you would hope. It's
a coaching moment, and I think that I think that
there was some coaching in that. It's just funny. I'm
not calling Patino a hypocrite, but I am calling him
a hypocrite, at least in that sort of realm. Because

(47:01):
it was just thirteen months ago when we found out
Sean Conway can't move laterally, and five other guys on
the Saint John's team at that time also could not
move laterally. So that was fine, That was fine in
saying that this was the most miserable you've been coaching basketball.
That was fine a year ago. But yesterday he wasn't
gonna throw his players under the bus.

Speaker 3 (47:20):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Is it because a year ago, maybe only a few
of us would have really paid attention to what Rick
had to say.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Sure, Yeah, and it.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Didn't matter because they weren't playing for any high stakes.
They didn't have the heart's minds and imagination. Spike Lee
didn't get all that brand new gear. Yeah, they gifted
to them a year ago.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Didn't make the tournament. Last year, we're on the outside
looking in of the bubble. The bubble burst for them
last year. So yeah, I think all of that is
all of that is fair. It was a great run
this year, regular season champions, Big East Tournament champions, all
of that. But NCAA tournament comes to an end, and
I think you saw r J. Lewis react like that

(47:59):
because yeah, everything went right for them this year, it
just didn't yesterday against starting.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
It's funny, you know, you look at it at different levels,
and not to make it about you know, kids and
youth sports, but you know, my kids on a soccer
club and they've had a change of a coach, hadn't
experienced that. So some are handling it really well. Some
are not, right r J. Lewis getting some tough coaching
or and we watched this at all levels, right. That

(48:23):
was part of the conversation of Kyler Murray, part of
the conversations of like, all all the guys that have
great success get all sorts of awards and then all
of a sudden, wait a minute, this is hard. This
is different, right, the kid who gets all straight a's
and then suddenly calculus kicks his ass, yes, and they
don't handle it well, or they go into a pressure

(48:46):
situation like a standardized test, when everything else is completely
dependent on did I study enough versus here's a giant
wealth of knowledge. Let's see how you do when you
can't really study for something pacifically. And you know with
the Kyler Murray obviously the video games and all the
jokes that rant with that, but look at top ten
pick in baseball, number one pick in the NFL, and

(49:09):
suddenly it doesn't translate and it becomes a well, you
got to change how you approach games and how you're
doing things if you don't have that hard game. And
for Saint John's, it was a pretty easy slug, right,
pretty easy run. And that's where some of the metrics
I guess bore out. If you really dove deep into
the y, I shouldn't pick Saint John's.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Yes, it was there for you, Yes, I know it. Yes,
And I didn't believe in Saint John's. I actually had
Kansas beating Saint John's in the second round. It ended
up being Arkansas. Kansas said there another another The opposite
of the Saint john season is what happened to camp I.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Didn't get sucked into him this year, though self didn't
get me this time.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Dab oh Man, I think he's glad the season is over,
to be honest with you, and I think that some
of what Patino was probably dealing with yesterday was also
that for as great as it was, it is now over.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
So let's take the thirty thousand foot view. You watch
this closely, live and die with some of the forty
minutes of hell. So through three days of this tournament.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
I find it interesting and we're hearing this narrative that
I believe is one hundred percent correct, and.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
It is the.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Power conferences, the nil rich schools having great success in
this tournament, and it's why the tournament was not or
has not lived up to the Cinderella billings that were
usually accustomed to. For those that may have missed it,
this is after the first round. Multiple bid leagues. This
is their record. Big Ten eight, NO, Big twelve, six

(50:43):
and one, SEC eight and six, Big East four and two,
ACC two and three, West Coast Conference two and O
Mountain West two and two. I think I got everyone there,
So that's seven multi bid leagues. The Big ten was
eight no, and the Big two twelve was six and one.
The SEC won eight of their fourteen games. The wins yesterday,

(51:05):
Mike on the brackets from the SEC, the Big Ten,
the Big twelve, the SEC, the Big twelve, the Big twelve,
the Big ten and the SEC. And everybody's right, Yes,
mid majors are getting killed because of NIL and the
transfer portal, and they're better players moving up. That is
one hundred percent correct. But the damning part about this

(51:25):
and why this should be a situation where sirens go
off in everyone's head. We're on the verge of expanding
this tournament, and the conversation and expanding the tournament to
seventy six is let's have more at large bids, eight
more at large bids and then we can have a
mix of schools. Well, when you see these records, why

(51:48):
in the world would you have a mix of schools?
And that's the thing that's most damning to me and
killing Cinderella. It's not only and everybody is correct and
saying that NIL and the transfer portal is weak in
the mid majors. It's now the fact of why would
the committee ever give them a bid?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Again?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
In terms of if you're on the borderline of a
North Carolina and say a UC Irvine. When you see
the success of these schools, Heck, the Big Ten when
eight to zero in the first round of the NCAA Tournament,
and they had two schools who were two of the
three that were on the outside looking in, So it

(52:24):
could even have been maybe better. And that's the part
where I think it's it's so tricky is when you're
looking at, you know, a Mountain West team and saw
Utah State or get crushed by UCLA like they did.
They only have New Mexico and Colorado State still remaining.
When you're looking at the bracket and where they are,
like why would the San Diego State gets killed by

(52:47):
North Carolina in the first four, You're like, Okay, why
are we giving four bids to the Mountain West Conference
right now when obviously the strength of college basketball is
in these other leagues. That's what I find more damning
is as if this league expands, it's just going to
be eight power conference schools. And that's what's really gonna
kill Cinderella is they're not going to be getting bids

(53:09):
anymore because of this lack of success.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
All Right, I have two things off at first, Look,
I want more TV shows. Yeah, so give me more games,
more more players. And I referenced it last hour, and
I think it's appropriate. Here is you know, we're we're
talking about Cinderella and trying to find those upsets anything else,
and then we're watching the top heavy women's side where

(53:32):
the games are so non competitive, like you don't even
have a five minute spurt where you're like, hey, they
were able to stay with them on the court. Right
for Yukon, for I mean, Iowa won by what thirty
eight or something like that. That's after Kate Martin and
Caitlin Clark are gone left. Right, so like a juju,
Watkins is playing with a hurt ankle, a hurt wrist

(53:53):
and everything else, and the USC still bludgeons.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
USC one seventy one to twenty five yesterday, right your point,
Yukon one one oh three to thirty four.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
And they didn't try to play really in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Yeah, there's yes, but I.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Mean just talking about the disparity. And on the men's side,
we're watching that chasm grow. Now in the end, it's
all about how many butts in seats and what you
can do TV wise, more true, TV more, more opportunity,
So you'll take that. I think, even if it's a
shell acking, to just get the opportunity to be part
of the program.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
I think everybody loves Cinderella, and I think I don't
want to speak for you, but I I sure do.
I love to see these upsets. I love to see
buzzer beaters. Unfortunately, the close games we've seen guys misshots.
You see San Diego, you know yesterday Wisconsin BYU same thing.
We haven't seen so many make a shot outside of
the first four in Dayton with Alabama State. But it's

(54:50):
the fact of if you're the committee, because I felt
that the committee a few years ago actually favored the
Mountain West and we're giving them. We're getting five and
six schools from the Mountain West, and then they weren't
fit well in the tournament. So you're wondering, well, how
really strong is that league? And I think when you
have a big ten, go eight to no in your
first round games, that tells you that the landscape has changed.

(55:10):
Nil and transfer portal are absolutely reasons. And then you're
saying yourself, well, then why would I give a school
a benefit of the doubt just because you and I
love Cinderella, they're gonna be like, we need to give
it to the worthy schools. And I think you saw
that with like Indiana and Ohio State being the second
team out and the third team out of the tournament.
And I think that's what you're going to see more of.

(55:32):
And maybe maybe you would see U see Irvine getting that,
you know, in the field of seventy six, because they're
going to say, guess what, there's three other schools in
the Big twelve that maybe we could have put in.
And that's what's really going to change college basketball.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
So next year, sixteen SEC teams it. Mike, Yeah, yeah,
sounds crazy. But you also mentioned killing Cinderella. You know,
there's a whole subculture of horror films based on in
an intellectual property that's kind of gone and gone south.
So you got a Winnie to Pooh or franchise, you
got you know, Mickey Mouse and Steamboat Willie. I guess

(56:04):
we can have a Killing Cinderella. Maybe we're making a
murder Mystery full season event. How about that. I'm down
there you go at Dan Byron Fox where you find
and find me over at Swollen Dome. As we continue
here it's Fox Sports Sunday, we take a turn to
the National Football League. When you have a meeting for
six hours, do I just assume at the end we

(56:24):
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everything and go our separate ways. We'll talk about what
transpires going forward in the National Football League as we
continue on Fox Sports Sunday. I don't know that they count,
but maybe Cinderella still has a slipper you gon thirty
eight thirty two early moments of the second half. Hey man, desperation.

(56:48):
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(58:37):
I got to go walk past Acre sure and hang
out a little bit. And no, I don't no, no,
I kept its curious. Well, you know, it was a
trip for the kid for potential future schooling, so just
kind of getting the lay of the land and driving
around the area. But for Pittsburgh being one of the

(58:58):
hotbeds this week because we were still in the silly
season of this NFL offseason, waiting on the draft and
starting to see more and more mock drafts. Now guys
are getting out to four and five rounds. It's really
an enterprise that has changed. It used to be the
one round, yes, and here we'll do our best dart
throwing down and now we're up to four.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Bete Schrager, who a lot of people know from Good
Morning Football way back when for foxsports dot Com when
he wrote for them, would do a seven rounder. He
would do a seven rounder. But I knew very few people.
He was the only one that actually I remember back
then doing a seven rounder. And now it's more and
more second third round picks because draft has become that

(59:39):
more popular. Heck, when the Seahawks made a deal with
the Steelers to trade them DK Metcalf, they picked up
a second round pick. So I am now all in
on the second round, Mox because they've got two second rounders.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Add that extra second rounder, maybe you decide to wheel
and deal, turn that into more picks and multiply like
the Gremlins, if you got him wet. I do remember
that movie, there you go. It was scarier when I
was older. Oh, it's a terrifying film. Now they're making
another one, but terrifying. And then you go watch the
knockoff Ghoolies, which had a whole other again think churchy

(01:00:15):
thoughts the opposite. It's kind of side to it, really creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I also felt like Gremlins had a side deal with
whether it was like heart E's or Carls Junior or
like another fast food chain back in the day where
you could get Gremlins stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Remember what I'm gonna have to go back and remember
when movie franchises would team up with like a national children.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah, and I felt. I felt that Gremlins was one
of them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
One of my favorites was The Batman returns. And then
they realized how dark the Tim Burtons second one was
with the Catwoman and the penguin. Uh, the toys weren't
in the McDonald's. Let's change it to something happier and fuzzier.
This is too dark, this is too weird. She's wearing that. Yeah, yeah,
just they're own Hamburgler stuff. But even go back to

(01:01:02):
the seventies of that. I've been posting some some of
those commercials showing up from the seventies on my Instagram
at smalling' dome, Like that's a whole other world. It's
like hr puffin stuff come to your local McDonald's for advertising.
But all that to say so Pittsburgh, they didn't have
me in for a meeting for their quarterback job, but
evidently talked to Aaron Rodgers for some six hours about

(01:01:24):
the job the opportunities. Look, I think you mentioned DK
metcalf showing up there. Doesn't it smack if Arthur Smith
and Russell Wilson can coexist at all? Doesn't that look
like the team you want? If Pickens and DK Metcalf
are running deepot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
I'll tell you it sure tells us. I think it
tells us more about their feelings about Russell Wilson than
Aaron Rodgers. In fact, I wonder if that's six hour meeting,
if five hours of it were just ripping on Russell Wilson,
because we know Aaron Rodgers doesn't like him. It doesn't
seem to be warm up to him or buy into
Russell Wilson's stick. So I wonder if that was the case.
But if that was in the case, I actually think

(01:02:01):
it's a sad state of affairs for the Pittsburgh Steelers, right.
This is a proud franchise, and I get letting Ben
Roethlisberger play out the final years of his career for
what he did for that organization for the previous what
fifteen years prior. I mean, Ben couldn't throw the ball
ten yards down the field, but they were still throwing
them out there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
That's Loyalty's that's maybe out well, Hey, that's the Steelers,
that's how they do things. But for them to I
don't know, acquiesce to Russ, to Aaron Rodgers in a
way where he flirts with the Vikings. Then the Vikings
tell him they don't want him. So then he calls
the Steelers for you know, a late night stand, and
they're like, yeah, come on over, Like, what are we

(01:02:44):
doing here?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
Steelers have some you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Yeah, the final roundtable with these veteran quarterbacks, including one
who's not even on the radar, who's being dragged back
into the radar after sitting out twenty twenty four, when
we talk about the Vikings, the Browns, and the Steelers,
where we say the giants are in their own little
holding pattern over here, bringing in Jamis Winston and you
know Tommy Cuttlet's still there and potentially Shadoor Sanders, Like

(01:03:09):
all the bluster for weeks of all these quarterbacks are
gonna fall. It's like you just decided you needed copy.
We know quarterbacks are going at the top of the
draft now, it's just a question of whether Jackson Dart
joins them or not. Teams are going to trade up,
Teams are gonna go get quarterbacks. That's it's nature's law
at this point. It's as we joke about on the

(01:03:31):
evening show Smith and I with our producer Justin Prosberg,
it's science that's just the way it works. People go
get their quarterbacks. But looking at these veteran options, and
Ryan Tannehill's name has been brought out now from Minnesota
as a potential stop gap if JJ McCarthy's not ready.
I remind folks that you had the Brett Farv arriving

(01:03:52):
to Minnesota didn't happen un till mid August. So any
of the we're out on Aaron Rodgers. I think all
these teams are just kind of trying to play a
game of poker with each other. Of all right, we're
trying to force a move here, but we really is
there any reason that they need to be in the
building right now? No, there's no activity you need to
know by the end of a yerl.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
In Minnesota for their you know, for all intents and purposes.
They also said that they are going to add that veteran.
I don't think they completely closed the door on Rogers.
Tannehill was was sure, odd, you're smeck dead on right
with the Giants and what they're going to do. But
just I just to bring it back to Pittsburgh, Mike,

(01:04:34):
I just don't get it. They so they don't like
Russell Wilson so much that they aren't bringing him back,
when they had said all offseason they're not going to
bring both Fields and Wilson back, but they may bring
one back. They brought back Mason Rudolph, who led them
to that late playoff surge in twenty twenty three, and
I don't know if it was a surge. He just

(01:04:56):
they ended up making the playoffs that year and Mason
Rudolph was the quarterback down the stretch. But they're telling
me that that went better in twenty twenty three than
what happened in twenty twenty four, and it's it's just
it's a damn and indictment. I think they'd like to
have Rogers. I think that they would also be okay

(01:05:16):
with having Mason Rudolph. They don't want Russell Wilson. But
it's just it's sad to me to see Pittsburgh go
the route of again having Aaron Rodgers over for a
one night stand after the girl that Rogers wanted to
be with.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
They don't want.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Him, and it's it's just it's sad to see the
Steelers get to that level.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
But that's where we've been, you know, running in place,
just good enough to be on the fringe of a playoff,
but not really ever a contender. When when was the
last time we considered them a contender? Like I'm real contender, yes,
Like even the towards the end when Roethlisberger had that
run when twelve oh or.

Speaker 3 (01:05:55):
Whatever, nobody bought it no correct.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Right, and all these years, I guess it's the devil
you know and the devil you don't, right. You know
what Russell Wilson is with Arthur Smith, Aaron Rodgers, you know,
the reputation, you know whatever. Ex teammates don't speak ill
of him, just has run ins with management and says
some things on talk shows and podcasts, and look there's folks,

(01:06:19):
I mean Michael Keaton again. Batman comes back up big,
big and political things in Pittsburgh. But he's also asking
questions about old interviews with Rogers, like if we're going
to bring this guy in, like I don't want him
representing us with unless he clarifies this view, that view,
the other view. You guys can all go into it.

(01:06:39):
It's a political thing, but it's just interesting. You've got
celebrity fans raising their hand going forget about him being
a quarterback. I may not want this guy for the
guy he is, yes, which is a different way of
looking at things.

Speaker 2 (01:06:51):
If the day that Aaron Rodgers is released by the Jets,
if the Steelers have a meeting with him and visit
with him and he wants to be there, I'm all
good with it. It's everything that has transpired afterwards, and
for them to almost almost might seemingly be begging for
Aaron Rodgers to come play for them, and I just
think that that's a sad state of affairs.

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a little look at the day ahead for college buckets

(01:07:55):
and maybe a little more NFL. But first it's Isaac
Lowen chrome to give us an update of what's going on.
Cinderella still at the ball.

Speaker 8 (01:08:05):
Cinderella is thriving in Round two of the NCAA Tournament
because the defending champion Yukon Huskies somehow, despite starting three
out of seventeen from the field today, they've got a
forty three to forty one lead over one seed Florida
with fourteen oh one remaining in the second half.

Speaker 7 (01:08:24):
Despite as I said.

Speaker 8 (01:08:26):
Opening the game shooting three out of seventeen from the field.
Florida's Elijah Martin leeds all scores in the contest, with
fourteen points coming up after that at twelve excuse me,
at two to forty Eastern time, it will be one
seed Duke going up against nine seed Baylor. And we
have some breaking college basketball news. Multiple outlets just reporting

(01:08:47):
that Texas has fired head men's basketball coach Rodney Terry
after two and a half seasons, three NCBLEA Tournament appearances,
including the Elite eight in twenty twenty three. This season,
Texas lost in the first four to Xavier on Wednesday.
Also round two in the NCAA Women's Basketball Tournament. Right now,

(01:09:08):
three seed Notre Dame leading six seed Michigan thirty four
to twenty five and a half left to play in
the second quarter, and two seed do holding on to
a one point lead over ten seed Oregon forty nine
to forty eight with four point fifty seven remaining in
the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
Guys, back to you, thanks so much. And Isaac Lohan
cron where you find him as you roll through at
dan Byer on Fox Find me over at Swollen Dome. Also,
we've got all the other socials, but Texas making a
big move. We can to see the coaching carousel not
in here.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Not necessarily shocked, curious to see if this will put
a pause on other hirings, because the Texas job will
likely rise to the occasion above all of the other vacancies.
It also tells you this, Remember Chris Beard was let
go by Texas because of what was a domestic instance
at that time. Ended up moving on from him at

(01:10:01):
that point, and I don't think anything came of that
domestic incident. He was also in a time where a
lot of stuff was sensitive. Chris Beard's playing for a
spot on the Sweet sixteen today for Ole Miss against
Iowa State. So in just when you're looking at the
timing of things, Chris Beard is probably gonna win at
Texas and it ended up not turning out. Now he's

(01:10:24):
at ole Miss and could be advancing in the tournament
while Texas is looking for Terry's replacement.

Speaker 1 (01:10:30):
The mad world of college athletics will keep an eye
on the coaching carousel. You mentioned the Iowa story. I'm
seeing that showing up in the Twitter timeline as well,
so we'll keep an eye on that. But as we
wrap things up, we've got a little more on the
nc DOUBLEA Tournament and the week ahead. He's Dan, I'm Mike,
and this is Fox Sports Sunday. Hey, welcome back in.
It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio, Hartman and VJ

(01:10:52):
coming up in about ten minutes as we're getting ready
for a big day of NZAA basketball action, some spring
training baseball still out there, some NBA and we got
some golf rolling on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
What is the Valvespar val SPA Championship. Yes, Tampa area.
Xander Schoffley putting together a heck of a round. Justin
Thomas in contention a group of players at seven under,
including Victor Hovland who's.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
Always working on his game. And it comes in streaks
at times with Victor.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
And it's a very tough course. I've never played it,
but by all accounts very difficult. That's why you only
see scoring right now seven under after three rounds.

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let's let's look at this game right here. Let's close
right here with the game. We've talked about Danny Hurley
a little bit, and over the course of the season
we've certainly look he's been one of the few stories

(01:12:35):
that cut through in the college basketball world, right a
lot of Koper Flag, a lot of NCAA and the Stars,
Hannah Hildalgo and Juju Watkins and Page Becker's and some
of those, But for the men's side, it then would
get right to Danny Hurley. And then eventually Rick Patino
became this thing as the season went on, and for

(01:12:55):
Danny Hurley, it wasn't always positive because this is a
team that is not like all those other iterations where
it's like, all right, they're a powerhouse and they're going
to run through and here they are this year. Some struggles,
a lot of outbursts at officials, at fans, everything else.
But now he's got Florida on the ropes to the
eight seed, Husky's fifty forty four, still ten minutes to play,

(01:13:20):
a lot of basketball to be played. But you want
to talk about a resume building potential, run here right
for Danny Hurley, a guy and a couple of titles,
and this a year where I was like, all right,
let's see how far he can take them and can
they overachieve? Not often you have a two time defending
champion where it's like, can they overachieve the squad that

(01:13:41):
he's put out this year?

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
And some people even felt that the eighth seed was
overachieving for what they put on no Art and what
they ended up achieving with. Now, maybe some of the
metrics would be different, but yeah, Yukon was a team
that I think we all expected more from and Mike,
I find it funny because it doesn't happen with all
of these coaches. But Danny Hurley is a great coach

(01:14:02):
and can show us two national championships and even said
when they lost in the first round in twenty twenty two,
it basically turned on a light bulb in his brain
of what he needed to do with his team and
the results since then have been magnificent. But isn't the ultimate,
the ultimate test of a coach to do it when
you don't have the best talent, And he's had the

(01:14:24):
best talent the last two years and this team isn't
that case. And I think that it's if he gets this,
this may be a win over Florida, and a deep
run in this tournament could be more important to his
legacy than even one of those national championships. I look
at Tom Izzo like we think, like Izzo is amazing,

(01:14:45):
and he's got a national championship. His best team was
that national championship team in two thousand.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
They were awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
They mop Yes, Charlie Bell, Yeah, absolutely a great, great squad.
But I also think what made Izo iso is that
even when he was a two seed or a seven
seed or whatever, you didn't want to face him because
you knew he was gonna be able to do something.
And I kind of feel like this could this could
be a Dan Hurley sort of moment. I Meanzo still

(01:15:12):
only got the one champion tick, and they would make
it the final fours, ton of final fours, and they
would have good players. But I think that for sometimes
what they did with less helps solidify who they were
because we always felt Callum Patino got the best players.
But now this would be quite quite a resume builder
for Danny Hurley, if if he even needs a resume building.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
It's funny because you bring back coach cal right because
that was always it. Well, he had the best players
and didn't finish, so the reputation as a coach didn't
match the level of respect we had as a recruiter
while questioning what was behind door number two with every
recruiting class that came in. Let's just be honest about it,
which is why you know the sudden redemptive arc for

(01:15:54):
him and to Rick Patino is really a curiosity. Izzo
still trading on the one title kind of reminds us
of the Steelers to a degree. It just keeps going
and we're gonna be good enough to be competitive and
maybe we break through. But for Danny Hurley, you get
a third title or a Final four run, even it's
a whole next level for him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:13):
We brought a full circle in today's show.

Speaker 1 (01:16:15):
There you Go, feel like I'm standing still. There you go.
Jeff Healy Band at Dan Byron Fox at Swollen Dome
enjoy the games, folks. We'll talk to you during the week.

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