Mike Harmon & Dan Beyer Talk NFL Draft, Shedeur Sanders Goes To Cleveland, NBA Playoffs, And So Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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The draft is mercifully over. Finally, Oh, I gotta do

(00:21):
some more screaming about Shid or Sanders. I think I
have seventy two hour moratorium before we move on to
other things that you know, actually matter in the sporting universe. Dan,
But for now we'll still shake our hands and have
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Speaker 2 (00:56):
Blue Sky is Dan Byer.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
There you go. I have been on Blue Sky in
a while. I'll bet swollendome at all those particulars where.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't think other people have either to be honest
with you, I've been a little slow grow like threads.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
It got that you know push for like a week
and then kind of went off to do you think.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
That blue sky is here to stay? It just hasn't
hasn't flown as as much as we had thought.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Well, maybe we could become those influencers that allow it
to get some push. I don't know, we'll come up
with some hot take nonsense along the way to fuel
the fire. But yeah, NFL draft still front and center,
and obviously much of the oxygen to the pleasure or
dismay depending on your whether you're a TV exec and
executive or you know, family members of you know, guys

(01:42):
that actually got drafted on day one or day two
a bit salty that maybe their moments from cam Ward
on down got taken away by the side show. I
think that's the nice way to put it. That became
draft analysis when Shodar Sanders didn't, you know, get some
kind of core nation like he was King Harley Race

(02:02):
in the eighties and WWE or the Macho King. See
I'm bringing everybody in today.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
I think you're talking about the talking heads that we're
talking a lot about the NFL Draft at that point.
But I would argue that the only story of this
draft was Shador Sanders, even before he fell all the
way to the fifth round to the Cleveland Browns. When
you looked at what was happening at the top of
the draft, we saw that cam Orden was likely going
to go number one. We had heard rumblings that Travis
Hunter was going to go to We just didn't know

(02:29):
to where because there had been trade talks with the
Browns being at two, and could Jacksonville trade up? And
then I thought, Mike, the other only question, aside from
Shador Sanders was where was Ashton Genty going to go?
We knew he was going to go in the top ten,
was he going to go in the top five? Ultimately
he goes where we end up thinking he was going
to go all along, and that's to the Raiders. Travis

(02:50):
Hunter gets picked second after the trade. But the entire
drama of the draft was Shador Sanders, even before his fall.
That was the piece that we didn't know. We didn't
know if it was three, we didn't know if it
was twenty one to Pittsburgh, and ultimately instead of three hours,
it was three days.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Yeah, we get the giant circuitous route because when we
started the mock season, and the word mock is just
so appropriate for so many reasons. In all of this
is that shud Or Sanders was number two to the
Browns if you go all the way back in the
time machine, and whether you believed he was the number
two pick worthy or not, we always know. The scramble

(03:28):
for quarterbacks historically has been the well, I don't know
that he should be number two, should be number three,
but he gets there based on our desperation to fill
that slot. Well, this year that didn't happen, right. It
goes from all right, he's mocked there to suddenly you
start looking at draft odds and we get more and
more information. He was at eight and a half, so

(03:50):
is that where it goes? And then it precipitous declined
to twenty one and a half Steelers at twenty one,
so that was the last quote natural landing spot. And
all of this to say, eventually day three, he ends
up where he started and Cleveland gets him in. Really
other than poor Dylan Gabriel has to be the shrapnel

(04:11):
and all of this still like he gets caught in
all of this. Shador is not really in any different
a slot except for how much he's gonna get paid
and all of the noise that if he'd been drafted
on Day one, right, the pomp circumstance whatever is there.
You're still battling Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Now they're
super Bowl winning quarterbacks, dan super Bowl champions both, but

(04:33):
you're really not much worse for the wear.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
The only question in the top of the draft, just
to put a button on that was I thought, to
some degree you had four and five were trade spots
right with New England meeting a lot of infrastructure around
Drake May. But instead they go for the guy so
they don't move out, and then Jacksonville makes the trade.

(04:57):
Well thought they'd be trading down, whether it's the Bears,
the Cowboys, or someone trying to make a splash to
go get genty. But in the end that doesn't matter.
It's two and five, Graham goes to five and and
you know the rest is history. But yeah, I got
eleven guys to the right right slots, nine guys to
the right team, So I'm going to declare quasi victory.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah, I think that there were guys throughout the draft
that ended up going to spots. Tyler Warren when he
went to the Colts at fourteen, I think was one
that a lot of people pointed to my team, the Seahawks.
Gray is able. They've been connected for the last few
months of them being tied to But it when you're
trying about it is I feel like they drafted I said,
I feel like they drafted a thirty eight year old

(05:42):
guy with graying hair with that name. But hopefully he's
he's on the offensive line for the next fifteen years.
And he celebrated with some Bruskies on yeah, Thursday night,
more than a few. But when you looked at at
the draft, I think that you're you're right in your
We thought that there was could be movements in some

(06:03):
certain spots, but everything that played out of the Pittsburgh
spot at twenty one, sure Jacksonville didn't make that they
traded up instead of trading back. Everything kind of settled
in so there were only so many spots that should
or could go right, and so then the Giants end
up moving up and you're thinking this is the opportunity, like,
this is the chance, and then when that didn't happen,

(06:26):
that's when I think, I think even the conversation started
at that point that the freefall is in, because I
didn't hear the conversation from those talking heads of a
free fall that we would see should or not even
drafted on Friday, but he ends up being drafted on Saturday.
I heard those talks on Friday prior to the draft
that Shoudur may not even go today because of what

(06:49):
went on. And I think it was the Jackson Dart
pick that really raised everyone's attention, not so much the
Steelers because even Mike. We thought that if Pittsburgh doesn't
take Shador at that spot, they're waiting for Aaron Rodgers.
And when they didn't, then we thought, okay, well then
that's their plan. But when the Giants ended up trading
up and then not taking Shador, that was that was

(07:12):
the time to sound the alarms. If if I was
in the Sanders household, that.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Was one of those all right, what do we need?
We need a plot device to get us to the
next act. Sure of a television show, it's all right,
the Giants have made a trade and everybody gets excited.
Then we're here, you know, our draft coverage and didn't
glazers like it's dark, It's gonna be dark.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
What I wish Roger Goodell would have done, because I
think Pete Roselle announced it this way was he announced
the position first and Goodell did not. So I wish
Goodell would have said, with the twenty fifth pick, the
New York Giants select quarterback, and then you're like.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Huh as get the crowd up.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Jackson Dart and then you're like whoa Like there was,
but still it was. It was quite a dramatic moment.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
It seemed like they had enough ww people wandering around
the building between seth rollins, the call in from Sina.
Later USO showed up for the forty nine ers, like
you had enough creatives around there to say, hey, you know,
you want to get a pop. You want to get
a pop. We can help you with all of that,
you know, And it's interesting. Now we'll start getting more

(08:18):
and more of the details. So Sanders eventually goes one
hundred and forty fourth. Perhaps you missed it because you
were out and about enjoying a Saturday and you missed
it real time as it happened. I was up and
you know, I have it on in the background, I'm
moving around and so immediately get to the phone. It's like,
well he ends up in Cleveland right where you know
the helter skelter line, you know, get to the bottom,

(08:41):
go back to the top, and now you start to rebuild.
This is fun. Jeff Schwartz, who's just on with Bill
Krackenberger and Brian know this morning. I saw Sanders not
to be drafted in the second round at plus ten thousand,
so one hundred to one. I was limited to a
dollar for the wager. And he's got a thing from

(09:03):
Kevin of the office. If someone gives you a ten
thousand to one on anything, you take it, he goes.
I tried to wager fifty. I got limited to a buck.
But just the point being that all of a sudden,
you know, it's cast into chaos and there's a lot swirling.
We haven't been able to corroborate the rumors as to
who was the prank call. Sure, yeah, so trying to

(09:28):
you know, button that up before saying anything. But you
got the tape from Brian Dable and the Giants and
the report that came out about you know, trying to
walk him through some tape and progressions and him being
grossly unprepared was the term that was used, not not
me creating, creating chaos. So, like all of these little things,

(09:49):
you start to check boxes along the way, and is
you know mel kiper in his hyper vigilance and staunch
support and calling everybody an idiot, Well, no reason to
take the flamethrower to it all. Could they be wrong, sure,
sure they could be wrong, But there's a million different

(10:10):
ways to do it other than to make it look
like you're on Dion Sanders' payroll.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
Well, and Mike and I think that that's that's a
great point because ultimately, in all of this, fair or unfair,
I feel that Dion Sanders is to blame for this
for the simple fact of not Dion as a father,
Dion as a father. I think what felt burned when
these picks were going off the board. Sure, and his

(10:37):
son wasn't taken, his player wasn't taken. There's obviously remorse
and hard feelings there. But throughout this whole process it
has been the Dion way, the promotion, the logos, the
whole deal, which has gone back for as far as
when Dion was entering the league, like of the flash
of when Dion Enters in nineteen eighty nine. So if

(11:00):
anybody knows what this is all about, it should be Dion.
And if you're having bad interviews, if you're saying we're
not going to go to certain teams, which I don't
have a problem with. I don't have a problem with
the Mannings. Did it. We don't want to go to
San Diego. We don't want to go there, so they
force a trade to New York. We've seen that before.
I don't have a problem with any of that. But
when you're not Deon Sanders and you're not Eli Manning

(11:22):
and your talent doesn't rise to that level, then you
have to kind of dance with the devil that you're
bringing into play, and that is this slide. And if
none of this happens, because you've said it one hundred times,
everything is analyzed in all of this. And if you're
having bad interviews, if there are clips that are showing
you being rude in handshake lines in college football, ultimately

(11:48):
that's going to come back and bite you. And at
no point during the draft process. And I don't even
mind the Colorado stuff because I've said I think Dion
is underpaid. But when you get to this draft process.
They did him no favors whatsoever in saying, you know what,
let's tone it down a little bit, let's throw at
this spot, Let's go to the combine and throw and

(12:11):
show these things. They did none of that. They did
none of that to answer any questions. And it was
more of if you're having bad interviews, how in the
world do you expect to be drafted? Right? And nobody
can tell them no. There's nobody in that circle that
can tell Shador no except Dion, right. So ultimately it's
not Dion as a father. You sent the clipover of

(12:35):
Shiloh joking we got a fire dad as an agent,
and there is so much truth to that. There is
one hundred percent truth to that, because if all this
stuff doesn't happen, he doesn't fall to the fifth round.
For as much as he may not have liked his game,
they had him at what twentieth best prospect Daniel Jeremiah
Mel had him obviously higher because he was fighting for

(12:55):
him so much. The blame for this goes on Dion
as the coach and the agent in all of this.

Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yeah, I think when when you get down down to it,
during the process, right. You have so many different touch
points to where you can massage a lot of the rhetoric. Right.
We joke about the movie Draft Day a lot. It
comes up on the on the network and you either
love it as a as a nice little kitchy that
it's funny that Jacksonville and Cleveland make a trade, right,

(13:25):
because it's hallmarked everything young GM in Jacksonville and all
of those things. But you also have the the whole
bo Callahan thing, right, It's unfortunate years later he's represented
by Diddy in the movie. I can't change casting at
this point or retrofit it, but you've got the whole

(13:46):
thing of hey, did did people go to the guy's
birthday party? You know? And that becomes a central thing.
You either get Sam Elliott as the coach of the
Wisconsin Badgers there, as Smith said the other day, I
think it was the first time he may have Warren
Schortz in his life in that scene. But the point
being that we've talked for as long as you and
I have been doing this, NFL teams find out everything,

(14:08):
and it's not necessarily that you're a bad guy, but
it's what's left unset in a conversation. Right, you know
your your friends, you know that are married or having
some issues. It's all in the unset stuff, right, someone's
gonna confide to a point. But then there's these gaps
that you're trying to fill in in your head. Right, say,

(14:29):
you know your kids are having issues at school, Well,
how much is them? How much of that is you know,
they're they're surrounding teachers not getting the job done. You
got a couple of jackasses in their class that make
it hard. They're on a group project, and three guys
are basically telling you beat it. It's all on you,
whatever the case may be. From the the time Schaudure

(14:50):
called out the line in the Nebraska game, like, all right,
what's that locker room like? And that's been in the
background for me talking. You know, as we've gone through
this process of honest opinions about people that work around
the building, in the building, not just players. Did you
get some bad reporting and bad intel there? Again, not

(15:11):
that he's some evil nor guy, but that he's aloof
and he's disconnected and all of those things. And he's
got plenty of opportunity now to try and go repair
and remedy those things. Like I said, he ends up
in a spot other than Dylan Gabriel being in the mix.
Now he was going to go in battle anyway, Yeah, right,
and either he was going to be ready eventually or not.

(15:33):
But on tape, there were a lot of questions that
you needed to be answered, right playing on time playing
you know, behind an offensive line. We know they weren't good,
but a lot of those sacks, you know, you do
the pie chart of how much is on him? You
talk about the competition Colorado played as opposed to guys
that played weekly in the SEC and Big ten. So
when you had the opportunity to go apples to apples

(15:55):
on a field and throw and compete, you chose not
to and you showed up at a lot of events.
But then said, you know, like Jerry Seinfeld, I choose
not to run this what he did? Time it again?
So are you scared or or is it hubris? Either way,
it's not good for an NFL team looking at you.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yes, and you're right, and he's not the only one
to not run, and he's not the only one to
not throw. But then you can't say that you're you're
not gonna meet with this team or you're gonna be
bad in a meeting with this team, or you're gonna
seem disinterested. As some of the reports came out. What
you do is you bend over backwards and try to
do the opposite, and the draft set up it became

(16:39):
kind of a joke at the end. What hit home
to me was this morning, prior to the show was
I saw the clip of when Shoudor got drafted, and
Shaudor is sitting there dancing with his with his cap on,
goes and jumps in the pool, has a has a
great time. Least I think that was. I don't think
that was mocked up of anything. But he was excited, right,
just like any kid who's entering the NFL Draft should

(17:02):
be excited. And so that ultimately is when you look
back at what has transpired over the last four months. Again,
he was good enough to be top twenty on Daniel
Jeremiah's list, and he was good enough to be what
top five, top ten on mel Kiper's list. There So
the work was there something in between that point in

(17:24):
draft day everything got messed up, And I think that's
the communication that you sent the teams. The Ian Rappaport
made a great point on Friday. I think it was
Rappaport who said, now we're talking about you being a
backup quarterback, and the last thing that you want with
an NFL team is a distraction as a backup quarterback.
So now teams that maybe weren't in the mix for
Shoud or as a starter, could be in the mix

(17:44):
for a backup. But why would they take the risk?
Why would they take the risk of this now being
a distraction? And the reason it's a distraction is because
of everything that's going on the last three months.

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(19:20):
lot of draft talk and still plenty to get to
in that regard. Over the next hour and a half,
here and Dan, when we talk about wins and losses
and fantasy heroes and everything else that goes on. We'll
circle back to some of the loud I don't want
to call them loud mouths because it becomes a pejorative term,
but the loudness, the noise in the room as related

(19:42):
to shirdor Sanders. Because perhaps you missed what was one
of the great viral clips of our time. We'll do
it next hour. But we've got the NBA Playoffs swirling
in the background. Your Bucks behind Gary Trent Junior, thirty
seven points from Gary Trent Junior for the Buck, they
get a win, they'll they'll play later on tonight series.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
ESPNU The Place to Be. I harped on that for
a week, Mike. I was so annoyed that they had
the audacity to place the Buckspacers on ESPNU. But if
you're going to come back from a double digit deficit
and have the Gary Trent Junior game, I said it
in my mind, just as I think Ryan Roco was
on the call said it himself. He says, this is

(20:23):
the Gary Trent Junior game. The Bucks lost to the
Celtics a few years ago in the Eastern Conference SEMIS
and the Grant Williams Game. But this happened to be
the Gary Trent junior game.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
It's crazy how that works, right, You know, every once
in a while you get that wait, he did what
because we were watching that as it transpired on air and
just kind of chuckling in the background of the draft going.
Didn't get a lot from Lillard, and we know physically,
hope he's on the men mentally, everything that he's going
through with the the illness and injury. You know, blood

(20:55):
clot today. Man, it's no joke, but you look at
you needed someone to rise up. Didn't quite see it
coming from there. But sometimes, you know, the playoffs make
for strange bedfellows, also makes for strange endings to game. Now,
the Denver Nuggets throttle the Clippers for a good chunk
of Saturday's game. Clippers finally battle back, and then we

(21:18):
get the the chaos of Jokic putting the ball up
towards the cylinder as the clock is winding down.

Speaker 2 (21:25):
Gordon with the.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Flush and a win. We get a review and from
every angle, it's not like that triple play the other
night that went against the Mets. No, it was pretty
clear the guys trapped the ball here. It's the we
can do this a million times. When does the red
light come on? When does the clock hit zero? We
could put them all and we start. It's like those
triangulation videos that they do on you know, TV detective

(21:52):
shows or whatever else, like, No, you could see when
you do it this way, you can see clearly there's
no violation here. I don't know conclusively that I came
to an answer to it, Dan, but that we at
least had one game that gave us a thriller at
the end, which for the NBA Playoffs has become a
very rare thing.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
So right when it happened, was your thought counts or
does not count.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
In the immediate set of it. I didn't think it
was going to.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Count, Okay, I thought it was late as well. I
don't know about the crew if they saw it, if
they want to weigh in, But my point being, Chris,
when you saw the Aaron Gordon dunk, did you think
that it should count or not count? Chris prefet I.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Am genuinely rule of cool and also yes, I thought
it should count.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
You thought it was good, You thought that yeah, it
came okay.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Well, I think I guess one of my one of
my founding memories is thinking about then I remember watching
the NC State documentary. Yes, and that kind of reminded
me of that of the of like kind of put back.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Sure, like for sure, but in this case, like does
the basket count or not? He thought it was good.
I thought it was not good. Mike thought it was
not good. Shay, did you think that the basket was
in time originally when I first saw it? That's all
I need to know. Yeah, I thought it wasn't okay, Isaac,
when you saw it.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
Same thing, But the call stands. So in that case,
the call get it or what?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Did you think? You thought that it was no good? Right?
Like you thought that it was late? Yes, yes, I
did too.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Don't be afraid. There's only five Clipper fans. They're not
gonna Clipper darrowly chasing you down.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
The reason, the reason I only want to know up
to that point is because I think all of us
were steadfast in whether it was or wasn't. Now, when
you go into the replay and the review, my wife,
who was sitting on the same couch with me, she's like, no,
that's good, that's good. I'm like, no, I go no,
it's not. You can see his finger from the replays

(23:53):
that we saw, So people who are sitting on the
same piece of furniture are having a difference of opinion,
and let alone us here in the studio from our
various different vantage points. And that's what was so crazy.
And it wasn't until the NBA Official at NBA Official
where they have their replay calls, gave you the overhead

(24:16):
view from probably section four h six and into a
dome of the camera coming down and seeing that the
ball had left Aaron Gordon's hand. But even to that point, Mike,
as we're breaking this down frame by frame, I'm not
even sure if it's still enough. But in the end,
how crappy would it have been if they waved it off? Right?

(24:36):
If we're talking about one thousandth of a second or
one hundredths of a second here, then what are we doing?
So even though and listen, I want the Clippers to
win the series, I do want them to move on,
so there's no bats. I just want the Clippers to win.
So I had a dog in the fight, and I'm saying,
no basket, no basket, no basket. I don't know how

(24:57):
in the world you could wave that off. Because of
then all of the dominoes, you'd be erasing a great
moment in NBA playoff history, a moment in Nuggets history
because of something that is one thousandth of a second
too late. And ultimately it was good and it can

(25:18):
go down and Nugget's lore. But even if if it was,
if there was this replay here that showed the tip
of his finger was on it, I just don't know
how you can call it no good because of how
close it was.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Well, and he's dunking the ball through the basket. Is
it once it goes past the rim? Level doesn't count
sure whether it's still on. We go all the way
through it, right, and.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
It is the finger so like it would just be
like a shot from a three point shot. The ball
doesn't have to be through the hoop at the buzzer,
you know, that's it.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Just got to be off the hand.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
The tweet that they put out kind of celebrating the
fantastic finishes seven point one million views, twenty two thousand likes,
one point two twelve hundred bookmarks, four point four in
terms of retweets, and four hundred eighteen comments of fighting

(26:14):
over it. But is that the answer that we go
to hundreds and thousands of a second day, and is
that what we need to expand the clock?

Speaker 2 (26:20):
I think that I don't think it would be an
awful thing, But what I do think here in that
instance is it would give more of a clarification on
the two frames of the image that we see of
the ball on Gordon's finger and then the next image

(26:41):
of it not being on his finger in the light
lit It still doesn't answer the question totally because we
don't know if that's three tenths of a second, you know,
or three one hundreds of a second or three whatever
the breakdown is. But that is it still doesn't give
us an answer. But maybe it does. Maybe the NBA does.
In fact, I actually think it's amazing that the NFL

(27:02):
and college football haven't gone to tens of a second
in a game. This is the whole reasoning on why
you don't get delay of game calls on a play clock.
The clock when it hits double zero is because of
those tents of a second. Because of the double zero. Yeah,
there's a point nine eight seven six, So when you
have that pause on the play clock, there's a reason

(27:23):
why they're not calling the penalty right away, So why
not just go to tens of a second at that
point and then when you have the full zero zero
point zero zero, you're good to go. I'm shocked that
this hasn't actually been put in the NFL for the
last decade. I've been waiting for it and it's never
showed up.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Yeah, well, we get to the snap of a football.
I mean we got two things going on. One, did
they get it off before the play clock expired?

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Two?

Speaker 1 (27:47):
How many rock steps does the tackle get before it's
a false start anymore? How far can he be back?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Penalty?

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Sure, but it's just an extension of all of that.
It's like where's that shade of gray versus what's actually
out a clock?

Speaker 2 (28:01):
But you understand my point, Yeah, for the for the
play clock is they're not gonna cause they're gonna give
you that that pause if you will, And we talk
about that all the time. But if that was the
game clock, what about the zero zero point eight point
eight point seven point six that could still be on
the clock. Instead, they would say, guess what game's over?

(28:23):
Double zero's on the clock, Like there still is a second,
you know, nine tens of a second or eight tens
of a second left that at the end of the
game are not accounted for because the double zero is
the final But on something like the play clock. I
think that's the reason why they give.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
The pay and look, you might have that one big play.
It becomes like Office Space, the movie where they write
the software to steal the rounded off parts of a
coin and then all of a sudden you got three
hundred and five thousand dollars. Or there's a touchdown because
they got that extra grade second.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Dak against the forty nine ers a couple of years ago,
remember the scramble. Oh my gosh, they're gonna run out
of time. They're going out of time. The spike. If
he spikes it and there's point six seconds left, cowboys
have another play instead, forty nine Ers move on like
that's I'm shocked at the NFL has not done this yet.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
You know, it's your homework down, Dan, You've got to
go find all those instances in the NFL, the NFL films.
I'll send you all the passwords.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I have no the the NBA will go to one
hundreds of a second before the NFL even does a
tenth of a second.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Oh no, question about it at Dan Byro on Fox
where you find him in the twitterverse. Find me over
at Swollen Dome. Time to take a trip around our
sporting universe with the legend himself. It's Isaac Lohenkron at
Isaac Lowancrod. Where you find him. You hear him with
us every Sunday morning.

Speaker 5 (29:39):
Hey you doing, buddy, We're saving the best for last
on this one.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
You gonna sing its Williams come on.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Me even better, even better than saving the best for
singing the best for last. In the meantime, though, we
start with today's NBA Playoff action, which chips off at
the top of the hour with Game four from Detroit
and the New York Knicks leading the Piston two games
to one. Then at three point thirty Eastern, it's Game
four from Minneapolis with the Timberwolves leading the Los Angeles

(30:06):
Lakers two games to one, and as Magic Johnson just
tweeted moments ago, quotes, I can't wait to see what
is going to happen today with all the stars in
the NBA playoffs exclamation point unquote. Anyway, today's Stanley Cup
playoff action faces off at the top of the hour
with Game four from Saint Louis with the Winnipeg Jets

(30:27):
leading the Blues two games to one. Now, today, the
TV show CBS This Morning did a profile on North
Carolina head football coach and former New England Patriots head
coach Bill Belichick because he's coming out with a new
book next month. Now, the piece featured this.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
Young Chicks is the title. That's that's the title of
the book.

Speaker 6 (30:51):
Sorry, no, you don't have to apologize.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Copy.

Speaker 5 (30:54):
I'm actually getting to that what you said there, Dan,
But anyway, the piece first featured this exchange when Belichick
was asked about Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

Speaker 7 (31:05):
I have to ask about Robert Kraft because twenty four
years together, six Super Bowls. He's not in this book.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
How come he's not?

Speaker 8 (31:15):
Well again, it's about my life lessons in football, and
it's it's really more about the ones that I experienced directly.

Speaker 7 (31:21):
He's not even in the acknowledgment section.

Speaker 6 (31:26):
Correct and finally yes.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
Belichick was also asked about how he met his girlfriend
Jordan Hudson. When Hudson herself interceded from off camera. Listen closely,
how did you guys meet?

Speaker 6 (31:46):
Not talking about this?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
No, no, you know that's so good their imaginated heaven
didn't they make didn't they mean on a plane?

Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (31:55):
Yeah, that's what I thought. So we already know the
story or is it this story a well? Because otherwise
you just say we met on a plane. Yeah, hast
answered done?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
In other words, you probably know it's like one again
show how many Law and Order episodes I watch? If
the lawyer's asking you a question, they know the answer, yes,
right right, hey's surprising you there you go?

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh great?

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Hey, Silo at Isaac Lo and Coron is where you
find him on Twitter. We'll get him back here in
a moment as we continue. It's Fox Sports Sunday. Here
Fox Sports Radio Mike Carmen alongside Dan Bayer uh and
coming up next, the sec dominated the first three. Hey,
what does it mean? We'll sort it out as we continue.
Fox Sports Radio is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
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Speaker 1 (32:56):
It's Fox Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. He's Dan Byer.
I'm Mike Carmon. Appreciate you being with us this morning,
and when do we get together? I mean, it's really
there's only one thing we can do, because you know,
we'd love to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Mike, it's draft time, but that will not stop us
from getting the family together and playing the feud here
on a Sunday morning, Mike Harmon, Chris Purfett, producer Shay
and Isaac lohin Crown make up the Fox Family. Variety
of ways that could have gone. Could have gone our
background in the Big Ten, could have gone with the

(33:34):
schools that from the Power four conferences that had no
one drafted. Instead, I'm going with the SEC schools with
the most players drafted in the first three rounds of
the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. In fact, eleven SEC
schools had a player drafted in the first three rounds.

(33:56):
I want to know which eleven. Listen, The conference is huge,
so I think we're pretty good here if we could
just keep it within the SEC. Mike Krmin, it starts
with you.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Just remember SEC.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I'll start.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I'll just start with Georgia and move on.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
All right, show me Georgia tied for the number one answer.
Six players from Georgia went in the first three rounds
of the NFL Draft over to Chris Profess.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
So sorry, just to clarify, we're talking about all eleven
just as long as they had a player in the.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
The first three rounds. Yes, from the SKA, I'll leave it.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
I'll leave a couple of big answers on the board.
I'll just lea. I'll go to Missouri.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Oh, Missouri, it's a good pick. Show me Missouri to
show me state. Two players picked in the first three rounds.
I think we knew those names, Yes, bes and armand
Membu right, yeah, Membo went to the said seven all right,
Over to Shay, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to Tennessee. Here, Tennessee,

(34:56):
show me Tennessee. Yes, balls are on the board. They
also had two players taken in the first three rounds
over to Isaac Lowen Alabama. That had to be right
when the Seahawks took Jalen Millroe. Had to be other
tied members as well. Show me Alabama, Show me Alabama, Dad,

(35:19):
we don't have all right, Hey, we've got Alabama on
the board. We are four for four through our first round.
Back around to Mike Harmon.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
But a reminder, first draft coverage of Fox Sports.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Rady.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
It brought to you by ship station Calm the chaos
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dot com code Sports. How about Texas A and M.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Texas A and M. Great school, obviously a lot of players.
Is it Texas A and M? Is it Texas A
and M. No, boy, we don't have any of the
sound effects. Oh no, it is not. No, it is not.
It is not Texas A and M A M did
not have any players drafted. As crazy as that sounds,
A and M is off the board. Chris, do you

(36:05):
want us to go to you? Are you dealing with
other technical stuff? I got it now, I got it now.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Just apparently with our software, if I dragged something a
little bit, it just overwrites.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
The Sanke came in there and computers, all right, go ahead, okay.
See schools that had a player picked in the first
three rounds.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Well, I was dealing with that. I don't think anyone said, Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Show me Kentucky. They had one player right at the edge,
Maxwell Harston. Yes, there he was the Buffalo Bills pick
at the end of the first round. Going over to
Shay so we said Alabama. We said, we got Georgia, Alabama, Missouri, Tennessee,
and Kentucky and A and M was our first strike,

(36:48):
and that was the first strike.

Speaker 4 (36:53):
Give me.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
Texas, Show me Texas. Yeah, Texas tied Georgia with the
most at six at six. Back around to Isaac Glowincron.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Steve Hartman is forcing me to say, South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
South Carolina Seahawks drafted a game cock Show me South Carolina. Yes,
there we go. Three South Carolina players went in the
first three rounds. Back around to Mike Harmon. If you've
only got four answers left, and there are five schools
that didn't have a player drafted in the first three
rounds of the SEC, so now it's tilted the other way.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
All right, So we go back and forth. Did we
have an LSU Tiger?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
Show me LSU? Yes, absolutely, we had one. Fourth overall,
Will Campbell, Yeah, going to New England, All right, Chris Purfett,
I know this.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Because of my Lions coverage. Isaac Teslaw, although his hometown's
in Michigan, he went to Arkansas.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Right, let's call the Hogs. Show me Arkansas two players drafted.
All right, we heard down to the two schools in
all of this. By the way, give me a ding,
Give me a ding. Mike Carmen was right, I overlooked
Texas A and M. So there are no strikes. So
there's one answer left, Stuart. Yes, you're absolutely right on that.

(38:15):
That's my bad on that.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
That's all right, He forces one of our conversation points
for next hour.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
All right, let's go over to Shay. We have a
perfect board going by the way, which is what answer left?
By the way, Well, think about it, and we've got
a little time. So we've got Georgia, Texas, LSU, Alabama,
Texas A and M, South Carolina, Missouri, Tennessee, Arkansas, and Kentucky.

Speaker 10 (38:38):
So, so you didn't say Florida, I'm gonna go Florida,
gonna go Florida? Is it Florida? It is not Florida.
So Florida is our first strike of the game. Over
to Isaac Lohan Kron. This is like that scoring change.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
We had a Major League Baseball quicksip the other way,
like we kept it intact.

Speaker 5 (38:57):
Michael ka is now furious about it. All right, I'm
gonna between these two.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Who are you who you're debating between.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
I'm debating between Ole Miss and Vanderbilt.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Okay, all right, all right.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
Don't let me down Lane Ole Miss.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Show me ole Miss Jackson.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Yes, traded back us.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Good job. So the the five schools Mississippi State, Vandy, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Auburn did not have a player.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Florida, Oklahoma, and Auburn do they get relegated? Since we're
talking about rats and moving up another level.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
I'll tell you they did have players drafted after the
third round. It was only Mississippi State the only SEC
school to have no players drafted in the draft. Crazy madness. Yes,
there were seven power for schools. Mike's Almama or Mississippi State, Houston,
Duke BYU, Baylor, and Wake Forest did not have players.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah, next week we'll and some college football trading cards
on air. But next we talk more on the draft.
He's Dan on Mike. It's Fox Grant Eggs. Another hour
of audio greatness coming your way. It's Fox Sports Sunday,
Fox Sports Radio, Mike Carbon alongside Dan Byer having a
blast with you with a lot of draft talk coming
up this hour. We did some NBA playoffs a little

(40:20):
bit earlier, more from a management perspective, So you can
find that as the podcast goes up. After we get
off the air, we've got the Knicks and the Pistons
getting ready to tip off here Dan, another hotly contested
battle here, And I gotta say, for a guy whose
team has not really been relevant since the late nineties, bolls,

(40:42):
I love that we're playing physical. I'm going to attack
you and beat you down basketball in these NBA playoffs. Now,
it might not always be esthetically pleasing. We might go
to the review board a little bit longer than we
need to game the game. But I'd like when the
intensity gets ratcheted up and at least for a minute,
we're not saying these guys all love each other.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yes, absolutely, playing defense happens in the playoffs. Shock, you
have quarters that aren't forty five points like you can
do at times in the regular season.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Hey, what's the over under for the Lakers in the
fourth quarter today? Because I want to bet the under.
I'm gonna have to look it up.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
Man. The what a great series that's been. There's been
a bunch of good series so far. One that's already
over with the thunder dispatching the Memphis Grizzlies. But I
can't say that it has been disappointing because we've had
some back and forth. We have the drama with the
Clippers and Nuggets. That series has been great. Heck, Clippers

(41:39):
blew a fifteen point lead in the first half in
Game one. Nuggets. Sure, we're blown out in Game three,
but Game two is a dandy Yesterday craziness, Nuggets end
up prevailing. It's been a good first week of the
NBA playoffs. Buck's got a huge win Friday to make
that a series. Because they don't win that then today,

(41:59):
I think is kind of the throwaway and maybe they
they pack it up against Indiana and now you've got
two teams that hate each other and that's a series.
So yeah, really really good stuff so far.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Well, and they won't be relegated to some internet service
for this one. This will be gotten prime time national
television ESPN.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
You, Mike, I like you could even do ESPN two.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
I say, ESPN three for the Warriors yesterday if you
wanted to watch it, Like.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
What gives you the streaming option? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
No, it's just crazy, you know, just really quickly. The
Nuggets Clippers series is one that I'm torn as to
who to cheer for to advance right. Part of me
wants the Clippers to do it, like I love the
chaos and the fighting that happens around the office and
everything when the Clippers and Lakers are trying to advance.
I love the old guys. I'm very much you know

(42:51):
this about me. For as many shows as we've done
through the years, the longer guys can play well through
their years, I don't feel quite so. Yes, even if
Gary Trent Junior is running around out a court and
guys named Junior where I watched their dad's full careers,
but to see that. But on the other side, I

(43:11):
like chaos when you fire a coach in GM and
then suddenly go on a run. Like the different parts to.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
That, I think. And Jokic is a guy that people
I think Cheer four in a way and maybe not
maybe not universally. I don't think that he's polarizing, because
I don't think anybody hates Nicola Jokicic by any means.
But he is a guy that you can like in
Cheer four just because of how good he is, how
skilled he is, and how much he really just doesn't
care about all of the the hype and everything. I

(43:41):
think he's a completely likable player. I'm not a huge
Nuggets fan, and because I just think that there are
certain warts on that team, but every team's got them.
I just would like to see the Kawhi Harden duo
and not to exclude Norma Powell, but just name brand
wise though, those two to advance in what a series

(44:03):
it could be with Oklahoma City and see what we.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
Get out of that. My brothers, who really don't care
much for the NBA, and again, the Bulls haven't been
good forever, so you know on yours, it's like anything
takes up less oxygen, right, because you got to pick
and choose. As you get older, you got responsibilities. Like
in our jobs. You know, there are certain sports that
I still love. But the kids, travels and everything and

(44:28):
everything they've got going on. It's like, all right, that's
the window. That's that's what it's got to be. So
we pay attention, and if it's not something that's going
to be front and center with what we do on air,
it pushes to the side. But the point to my
brothers is they love Nicola Jokic because he's a horseman
and He loves nothing more than to go sit in
a sulky and just ride around a track that it's
away from the trappings of fame and fortune and everything.

(44:52):
It's like, all right, do I have to stay for
this parade? Like when they won, Literally it was like,
can I get on a.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Plane and get out of here? I got some horses
to go and too. Yeah. Absolutely, there's something very very
refreshing about that. Plus with the West and how much
of a log jam it was. You knew the four
or five and the three sixth series were gonna be good.
But here in the East, Orlando goes and wins a
game against the Boston team that isn't completely healthy, and

(45:21):
I think we think that Boston ultimately wins that series,
but it's nice for the young Orlando crew to at
least get that game in and who knows what happens.
You know in game four, Crazier things have happened. So
it's yeah, it's been good so far. In the Top
I'll tell you what. The top seeds being as dominant

(45:42):
as they have been, the Calves and Thunder for the
Thunder to sweep and the Calves being on the verge
of it, it's also probably better for the bracket because
now we have fewer questions about specifically Cleveland because they
went in that spot before. But if Cleveland can go
and sweep the heat, now we're saying, okay, maybe there's
more legitimacy to it, which puts our interest more into

(46:04):
the Eastern Conference semifinal.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Talk about the depth of that roster, no question about it.
As we run through Boston's interesting. I don't know that
there is deep you know. The more I look at them,
and then you get the walking wound, You got the
headmoon for poor Zingis and plays through Jalen Brown obviously
with his issues, and then Jason Tatum at least silence
any questions with this thirty six point performance. But all

(46:28):
of that to say, we've got more excitement and drama
and we get these moments of battling as we roll through. Hey,
you can stream this show and all our Fox Sports
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(46:50):
on your radio dial, so be sure to preset Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app, and I'll always pop
up at the top of your screen. Now, turning our
attention back to the NFL Draft, we'll do some winners,
losers fantasy ramifications as we continue this hour, Dan, But
we'd be remiss we didn't circle back to the biggest
story because it's a reflection of media. And now we're
not media critics. And certainly folks could parse out plenty

(47:13):
of what I say on a daily basis, and my
show Here with You, the podcast, random random rantings on
the internet, interwebs, and the four hours I do with Smith,
and you can get after it and pick it apart,
have at it.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
That's fine, Hey, same thing with me. Harmon can yell
at me. I told him he was wrong in the
feud and he was actually right. So we do make
mistakes at times, we do, Yeah, and I take full responsibility,
take full responsibility.

Speaker 1 (47:37):
It's all good. There's you know, there's things you're going
stream of consciousness, like, we don't work from scripts. We
may have a couple of notes of where we want
to head, but it's not always a Hey.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
And that wasn't an oversight. Literally, it's on the list here.
It just was mixed in the middle.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
Well, glad digress, but you know, you look to another
line out him. You're trying to direct traffic, get the ding,
all of those things. But I just wanted to say,
but for Sidur Sanders, it's there. It is the story
of the weekend, and it'll continue for a while because
now it becomes the earn it part of the process.
Drafted one hundred and forty fourth by the Cleveland Browns.

(48:15):
All my Life's to circle again, old radio hit from
Harry Chapin, but we we get back to Cleveland where
he was originally mocked. So now it's just the battle.
Get past Dylan Gabriel, take it down the veteran quarterbacks,
but maybe at at a lesser pressure point than you
would have had. I don't know that that's necessarily true
because of who he is in the surname, because he

(48:37):
can't dismiss the surname because that's part of what built
the legends rightsolutely, So like folks that want to parse it,
if his name wasn't Sanders, we wouldn't have cared about
him the same way because they were a five hundred
team no.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
And also if his name wasn't Sanders, there wouldn't be
the draft party that it was. There wouldn't have been Dionne.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
I'm gonna build one of those boxes though. I'm gonna
start doing videos out of something rice spray paint, a
bunch of random.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
They're just that would be awesome. It looked cool like.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
It looked like something out of the Suicide Squad, and
and Jared Leto's joker.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
Well, you know, and the reason and the reason I
blamed Dion we talked about earlier. If you missed it.
The reason I blamed Dion not for all of the
flash stuff. I don't care about that. I don't care
what you do with your draft party and that stuff
I think helps in recruiting at Colorado. I think all
of that works as a bigger picture. But it's Dion
being the former NFL player and Hall of Famer that

(49:31):
knows the inner workings of the NFL. And it's easy
when you're primetime and you're a top five pick in
the Alanta Falcons in nineteen eighty nine, are going to say,
I don't care if there's any any blowback or whatever.
This guy's talent is too good. Same thing with Eli Manning.
I don't care if he says he doesn't want to
go to San Diego. We're taking him and we're going

(49:53):
to figure it out. And the Chargers got the best deal.
Should Or Sanders' talent level was not up to the
power of it to those players. So when you're again
ducking those you know, ducking those interviews and not interviewing
well and not throwing and saying other things, and Dion

(50:13):
tweeting he's going to go top five, all of that
could come back to bite you, no.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Question about it. At Dan Byron Fox rEFInd Dan find
me over at Swollen Dome. But the criticism of the
lack of a Shudor Sanders pick became a big side
show to the coverage of the draft. Now, mel Kiper
one of the godfathers of the draft punditry industry that
has begotten so many big names through the years. Daniel

(50:41):
Jeremiah obviously friend of the network and does his work
with the Chargers and NFL Network. One of the rising stars.
You got, Matt Miller, you got a bunch of guys
that are in this business. But mel Kiper gets front
and center. It's always the all right, let's see Mel's
big board, and let's see his draft prospecting. And when
Shador Sanders didn't go, it almost became the personal affront,

(51:05):
as if thirty two teams had risen up against mel
Kiper junior, not even against schidor Sanders. At that point,
let's say hear a little of mel Kiper in audio
that you can't get. I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I don't you know.

Speaker 11 (51:20):
But here we are the fifth round. Cleveland Browns get
a guy who should have been a first round pick,
a high first round pick. If you look at the sliders, right,
the guys who slid the NFL D they know everything
done at all because the guys that have slid, I
thought really well, Gino got into the second round and
he just worked pretty well. Right, Chavick, Floss and Brady
went didn't but ans Aaron Rodgers, Chad Pennicton went eighteen.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Brett Farr's second round.

Speaker 11 (51:42):
Boomer size was second Rald Dan Marino late first round,
and now you have a situation with short dropped into
the fifth rold Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Everybody said, okay, crown pick Tom Brady was drafted. There
was a quarterback that went eighteenth.

Speaker 11 (51:57):
That was Chad Pennick, the quarterback went with her brown.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
That was che Levanni part Mosey from Coffey.

Speaker 11 (52:02):
But toom Breggy got there, we didn tell Robert Brat
like femsaf, Hey, you're six topics. I yeah, you're the
best mistission durers.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Is they sever page?

Speaker 11 (52:09):
That's that's me right.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
We'll talk about are you confident?

Speaker 8 (52:11):
Cocky?

Speaker 2 (52:12):
Are you arrogant? Are you charismatic?

Speaker 1 (52:14):
There's that fine line there.

Speaker 11 (52:15):
I think there's a lot of such an isn't reality
in regards to Chador and beyond Beyond's back.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
On interfere you have not to be calling the coach.

Speaker 11 (52:24):
You have have to be commenting about Shador while he's
in Colorado.

Speaker 5 (52:27):
Bo.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
I think there's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
The jun's out there.

Speaker 11 (52:31):
Sadie Sanders family is the door beyond.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
All right. So he continues to go on in uh
rants about the draft proSP process and how teams have
gotten things wrong for fifty years and he's taken the
for for lack of a better term, the Hank Scorpio flamethrowts.
See I'd got that Simpsons reference, Go Fox where he's
just standing there laughing like a lunatic telling you how

(52:57):
everybody gets it wrong. It's like, yeah, it's an exact science.
You don't need to give me the resumes of all
these guys. And anytime you invoke Tom Brady's name in
any of this stuff, it's like, shut up. You want
to talk about a guy that goes in the second round. Great,
you want to talk about a guy you can't keep
bringing up the greatest quarterback or the second if you
want to be the Montana perfectionist, whatever, you can't use

(53:20):
him as the example. Whenever we do this, you absolutely
undercut everything else you just said. You know, Tom Brady's like, yes, okay,
there's that guy in all of these years. Everything else
is fine, mister irrelevant with Brock Pirdy, Hey, Tony Roman,
he can get drafted. Keep going, come on, keep going, Mel,
Joe Thaisman, let's grab every one of these guys up.

(53:40):
Matt Hasselback was a fifth round pick. Let's just keep
doing it all. But it's like condemning the entire thing,
you know, And it's not that Mel has to say
he's wrong because he may not be Shad or may
go out on the field and be a star. But
until he does it telling everybody they're an idiot for
not drafting him. Come on, you know how this process works.

(54:02):
You're not a babe in the woods where this is
your first time completely You did a couple of Internet
TikTok videos and someone said you're now our number one
lead draft analyst.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
I'll say this, I think it was personal to Melt
for this reason. When you look at the NFL draft
and this has been the case with Mel Kuiper for
a while. From what I have heard from people that
have done the draft and cover the draft is there's agents,
there's scouts, there's guys who have been in front offices.

(54:36):
They're all leaps and bounds ahead of everybody else, guys
who have done this for so long. Kiper's done it
for so long, but he's never been that guy. So
while the NFL people, well, they appreciate Mel Kuiper putting
in the work, it's not really a true scout like
a Daniel Jeremiah who's been in NFL front offices and

(54:58):
has been on that side of things, or like Mike
Mayock in prior to that. Kuiper's been his own character.
And part of this part of the deal with Kuiper
and why I think he's loved by ESPN is this showmanship.
But what I think happens is Kuiper takes it personally Mike,
because he's not on the other side of the velvet rope,

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hasn't been in a front office, so he feels like
he has more to prove. And then when he's wrong
or way off in this instance, I almost feel that
he feels as it's an indictment on him as a
draft analyst, So then you get really worked up over it.
And I would say, outside of Schador's fall, mel Kuiper's
actually the second biggest story from this draft. So for ESPN,

(55:41):
mission accomplished. Yes, for mel Kuiper, it's actually mission accomplished.
We're talking more about you than we are about actual
guys who are drafted over the previous three days, and
so ultimately, for them it's probably a win. But I
do think that melk Kuiper takes it personally because he
still ultimately is an outsider looking in.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
You think he ever had maybe that opportunity to go
once and he pulled it, you know, like Deon' tweet
from twenty eighteen, If the the Browns call me, I'd
not go I'd pull an eli. So maybe it was
an organization he didn't want to work with and that
call never came again.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
If it got that far, I somewhere long.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
Long ago, there was just maybe a chance.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Right, Like that's yeah, if that's you know, you gotta
can't have it both ways. Well, what's part of it?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Right?

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Like we do a fantasy football podcast, the Outwatch Flex podcast.
This content will show up on the feed so you
can evangelize to your your friends and family and I'll
have the podcast up wherever you get your audio as
we finish. But for the longest time, it was a
fight with NFL players and former players to recognize the
value of it until it started lining their pockets and

(56:57):
created a bunch of job opportunity. They fought tooth and nail.
I remember going and being part of a big panel
at an event in the Bay Area around the year
two thousand, when when was Darren McFadden drafted.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, I would have been like seven eight.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, all right, so it's even that late and I
go and I do this event and it's got a
lot of a lot of big shots. They pay a
lot of money to go and sit with an ex
NFL guy, all Bay Area guys at the draft, and
so like everybody's sitting around this exciting stuff, and Tom
Rathman decides he's gonna start fighting with me over like

(57:36):
because I'm doing analysis of people's picks and I'm trying
to be kind because again, they paid a lot of
money to sit in this room. And at one table
you got Jerry Rice, there's Marcus Allen, there's Raftman, there's
a bunch of you know, Bay Area guys. McFadden's there,
all all these things, and it's the they in the
first round, they take take the Bears and the Bears defense,

(57:56):
and I'm like, what are we doing? And he starts
yelling about Devin Heshtem like I'm not questioning, like I'm
a Bears fan. Yes, fantasy, like you know this, unless
people are dumb. He's not returning that many kicks for touchdowns. Again,
the defense is not gonna score a scoop and score
every other game. The math just doesn't work. And like

(58:16):
we're having it and it makes for a great contested
back and forth, but it's just the idea that all
of a sudden they realized how much money this was
adding to the bank much like the better side of
things now of how much that helped the game and
then created a lot of jobs to go do content
on it, and then all of a sudden everybody was
on board same thing here. That's the lunatic over there

(58:37):
talking about draft process or whatever. It's like, wait, there's
a whole industry that can be made here, Yes, about
analyzing this coach, this GM and the process.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
I mean, Dan Patrick's saluting and wanting them to go
and have mel Kiper in the Hall of Fame for
what he's done. And I think that all of that was,
you know, accomplished for what ESPN wants on it. They're
happiest can be for how this is all played out,
and it's I guess in a way it's what makes

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Kuiper kuiper, because there hasn't been Kiper moments as of late.
When you were replaying, you were playing back from the nineties.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
No, that's true.

Speaker 2 (59:15):
Now we've got some new material.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Well it's only appropriate coming out of WrestleMania that we
got some uh lunacy at the MIC and we got
all those w WE superstars to show up on Draft Day.
He's Dan Byer on Mike Carmen, It's Fox Sports Sunday
here Fox Sports Radio. Coming up next some winners and losers,
head scratchers, Nah, losers from the Draft. We'll do that
next here on Fox Loser. Hey, welcome back in Fox

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(01:00:00):
code Sports. We just like being at the party, Dan
dan Byer on Fox at Swollen Dome and we're here
and we're coming out of the draft, and that immediately
means we've got to give report cards and figure out
who got things right or wrong before a single bag
has been unpacked at a team facility.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I'll tell you what and on one of the teams
that stands out and I'm not sure if it's I
don't know, they get an A plus so they'll get
an F. But Tom, I'll tell you this much. Okay,
it's the Jacksonville Jaguars, I'll tell you what. When your
son is riding shotgun with you at four years old
and you say, hey, we need you, you know, we
need you to be quiet a little bit, it's uh,

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we got about thirty seconds in no.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
But it's excited utterances. I mean he saw a touchdown,
catch guy dive into the ground. I mean he's got
hockey action. We got a guy checked into the boards.
So I mean there's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I'm gonna tell you my win. I'm gonna tell you
my win. When Shay put on Disney Channel for my
son who's instant with us right next to me, Brody
just turned four this week. He put on Disney Channel
and I said, do you want to watch this? He says, no,
I want to watch golf, football, and basketball. So I'm like, hey,
we we can do can do with that, So we

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are good. We are We aren't good with that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Just be careful. The big asks come later on. I
love what I'll tell you what. I love what the
Jaguars did. I love what the Jaguars did. In the
case of they need.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
A superstar, Travis Trevor Lawrence is not translated, and I
think Travis Hunter has a way to translate as a superstar.
So you go in and you try to you try
to translate to try to make that superstar. This is
a bad idea, Mike, this is a bad idea. He
just do not have your four year old son. He

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just sit next to you during a radio show.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
He's just saying he did not believe the young GM
and Jacksonville did the right thing. That's all that all
there is to it. But I think your point you
got Lawrence that you're trying. He was the generational guy
and you're trying to get him over. This is the
year that you have to decide is he your guy
for the long haul. We can talk contracts and play

(01:02:12):
games with that all you want, but it's the all right,
We're gonna push all in to give you every possible
resource that we can. So making the bold move to
go get Travis Hunter, use them both sides of the ball,
gives you a superstar. Maybe takes a little bit of
the heat off of Lawrence to that regard, but you
look at what they now have offensively, and I don't

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know that Etn's ever That guy Bigsby has acquitted himself
quite nicely. You lose Evan Ingram, which is a pretty
big loss for them. But you look at the tag
team duo of Hunter and Thomas how many how many
duos do you look at and just say, all right,
I'm ranking them above those two guys at least coming
into week one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I'll say this when it comes to how things play out,
dynamic off the charts, and it was crazy because take
Bigsby was so good that they would that the gent
rumors were popping up. But what also happens is when
you trade up for Travis Hunter and you trade your
first round pick next year, tells you that Trevor Lawrence,
Trevor Lawrence is your quarterback of the future, of the future.

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And when you look at where we were two months ago,
remember that Steelers Trevor Lawrence rumor? Sure, remember that one
that popped up. Brody remembers it like it was yesterday.
When you have that pop up, you're saying, maybe they
don't believe in Trevor Lawrence. Well, now you don't have
a first round pick next year, and what would be
a heavily we think quarterback driven draft. The Jaguars saying like, no,

(01:03:40):
we're not going to go that route. We're going to
go a different route. I think that said a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
I love the boldness of it, no question about it.
For me, I'm always infrastructure. So anytime you get a
team that really builds their interior offensive line or gets
on the defensive side and says we need a front four,
it comes back to you, I need a thrower, I
need an attacker, and I need a protector. It's the
tap eerie of Mike Carbon football. Now we're gonna kick

(01:04:05):
it over to Isaac Longngroud. We'll go through some more
winners and losers for the draft. We certainly have plenty
of teams and individuals. But first it's I low, what's
going on in this UFL game? I just kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:04:17):
Well, it's at the Texas Rangers former stadium, which now
has a different name, and let's be honest, that's probably
the most notable thing about that. However, Detroit Pistons fans
might be tuning over to that game soon because it's
been all New York Knicks at the start of Game
four of the NBA Playoffs, the Knicks with a twenty
six to fifteen lead at Detroit with one forty four

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left in the first quarter and the Knicks leading the
series two games to one, and the Knicks red hot
to begin this game shooting fifty five percent from the
field and are four out of six from three point range,
counting up with three to thirty. Eastern Game four from
Minneapolis with the Timberwolves leading the Los Angeles Lakers two
games to one. And by the way, we have a

(01:05:00):
new Magic Johnson tweet to pass to you, whoa all
right magic man posted a short time ago, and I quote,
if you haven't been watching the NBA playoffs, you've missed
intense and physical basketball. If I were you, I wouldn't
miss these matchups today. All the games are important because

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either teams will go up three to one or tie
the series at two to two. Unquote, Yeah, you cannot know, Ai,
Magic Johnson.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Is that where we've gotten to it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:36):
Or you know what?

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
I hate to say it, but I think AI would
even be more insightful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
Did we screw it up by creating the Magic Johnson
Twitter games Jason Smith and I Yes you did.

Speaker 6 (01:05:49):
You've created a monster.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
Often imitated, never do, never do any went into the
shadows for a while, and now he comes back with
this milk toast stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:05:57):
It is back with a vengeance here in the NBA
plays out of the Stanley Cup Playoffs, where in Game
four from Saint Louis, the Winnipeg Jets and the Blues
are scoreless with eight minutes left to play in the
first period and Winnipeg leading that series two games to one. Finally, today,
the television program CBS This Morning did a profile on

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North Carolina head coach and former New England Patriots head
coach Bill Belichick, who's coming out with a new book
next month. The piece featured this exchange when Belichick was
asked about Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
I have to ask by Robert Craft because twenty four
years together, six Super Bowls. He's not in this book.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
How comes not?

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
Well again, it's about my life lessons in football, and
it's really more about the ones that I experienced directly.

Speaker 7 (01:06:49):
He's not even in the acknowledgment session.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Awkward.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
And then after that delightful exchange, Belichick was also asked
about how he met his girlfriend Jordan Hudson. When Hudson
interceded from off camera, listen, how did you guys meet?

Speaker 6 (01:07:14):
Not talking about this?

Speaker 5 (01:07:16):
No, no, on that note, as Steve Hartman's jaw drops
he is literally speechless for the first time I've known
him since I was listening to him in my crib
Back to you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
I think he probably has some theories that he's going
to espouse here coming up in about twenty five minutes.
Either that or he was just trying to torment your son.

Speaker 2 (01:07:36):
How about the fact that Belichick wore his best suit
for that interview, and by that I mean off whole filled,
not navy blue, but an actual Naval Academy sweatshirt.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
You gotta go to your history, gotta have your structure.
Thanks Hilo. You bet guys at Isaac Lowenkron where you
find him in the twitterver'se find Dan at Dan byern Fox.
Find me over at Swollen Dome talking winners in lieu
losers of this draft. And I want to bring up
a name because we talked about him a little bit
last hour. Came up as part of the feud with
the drafting of Stuart to the offense or defensive line

(01:08:11):
there in Cincinnati. Is Trey Hendrickson a winner or a
loser when he gets traded?

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
I think he's a winner because somebody's gonna pay him, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Yeah, No, that's the ultimate, top of mar ultimate.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
That's the ultimate goal in all of this. It's not
of wanting to bring a Super Bowl to Cincinnati. It's
it's getting paid that Max Crosby type of money. I
don't know, he won't get Miles Garrett type of money.
But that's the ultimate goal. So in the end, he's
going to get paid. And that's the biggest.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
There's your win. Look, because you know, Miles Garrett said
a lot of stuff about winning Cleveland's over unders at
four and a half wins for this year, so you know,
believe what what actually happens when the ink goes to paper.
I did mock success successfully, Mack Stewart to the because

(01:09:00):
I wanted chaos. Okay, so I got so I got
out a right. I liked Arizona and what they did.
Finally just saying all right, we're gonna go to the
complete defensive side of the ball. We're gonna try to
get some balance, give Kyler Murray a punter's chance so
he doesn't have to score thirty five forty points a game.
So you go and you really build out and maybe
he got a two guys that fell in the draft

(01:09:23):
to them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
The Will Johnson pick I mean if he stays healthy,
I mean you're probably getting a top fifteen there. Listen,
early on in the process, Will Johnson was going five
to Jacksonville, so for him to go forty seven, so
there's at least belief there. Ultimately, what ends up happening
on Draft nine or people get scared of injuries and
availability and you get scared because of your job security,

(01:09:45):
and so you end up making decisions and so Will
Johnson ends up falling. But yeah, that's that was a
top ten, top five projected pick early in this process
that they get at forty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
Or how about you give one more guy and then
goes to your Ohio State buck Eys, and that's Egbuka
going down to Tampa. Now, we don't know what this
team looks like come twenty twenty six and be on,
but give me one year. I mean, Chris Godwin's coming back,
signed a new deal but physically coming off a really big,
big injury. You got Mike Evans for one more run,

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and now you give Egbuka to that receiving corps that
already added McMillan a year. Yes, you're talking about a
lot of weaponry in a division that's there to be having.

Speaker 2 (01:10:26):
And here's the funny thing about Abuka, because when he
came to Ohio State, he was the cream of the crop,
five star recruit, but then you end up playing it
all out and he never was the number one guy.
Whether it be Jeremiah Smith last year or Marvin Harrison
here prior. It'll be the same thing in Tampa. When
he's not the number one guy, it'll be Mike Evans
or Chris Godwin, and both may not be three or four,
but I think that he'll fit in nicely. And man,

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Tampa feels like they've got something going on offense if
they're ready to run this back. Bucky Irving was gretastic
great last year, so now you expect more from that
running game. And now they're willing to go wide receiver
at that spot. Yeah, they want to score points in Tampa.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Apparently, I'm gonna give you one more and then I
know you had one team that you wanted to spotlight. Yeah,
in the same division. I'm going to give credit to
the Cowboys. I thought they would do something crazy and
give up every pick to go make a splash.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
M HM.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
Smith and I talked about it. He thought it was genty.
I figured it was going to be all right, we're
gonna grab a receiver. Does he rate twelve to overall?
Maybe maybe not, but we're going to do something splash. Instead,
they stayed the course and to my thinking, made some
pretty smart picks going to the offensive line with Booker
with their first and then later on who was it?

(01:11:42):
The name's now escaping me? I had it written down
and now I can't read my own writing as Araku
at all. Right, so you add to your defensive front
and then keep going. And it was all guys, and
this was the draft for We talked about it a
lot last last week, you and I and we dragged
in Chris Perfatt as he was doing his for Pride
of Detroit.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
While it's not a shiny object draft, there's a lot
of bases to be covered and infrastructure to be built
for these squads. So when teams didn't necessarily act desperately,
I give them credit for Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
And I know people are like, get CD, give CD lamb,
or give DAK another weapon outside of c D Lamb.
I get all of that. But when Dallas was good,
they were good up front. So I have no problem
with with Tyler Booker, and you're gonna have to replace
pieces on defense. Remember DeMarcus Lawrence is now in Seattle,
so you've gotta you gotta. I don't want to say
reload because it's more than reloading with Dallas, but I

(01:12:39):
get that the team that I liked in that division,
the Giants, aren't obvious pick. But here's why I like
the Giants for the reason of if Brian Dable and
Joe Shane are trying to save their jobs, the way
that they do that is to attach it to a
young quarterback. Jameis Winston and Russell Wilson are not going
to save Joe Shane and Brian Dable for to have

(01:12:59):
long careers. Of the Giants, Jackson Dart will also Mike.
For all the flack that Joe Shane got last year
in the Hard Knocks off season, how great would it
have been to see this process, Like I felt like
the Giants should have done it again just to show hey,
that wasn't just it was a different situation. Then we'll
show you what it's like now when maybe they're on

(01:13:19):
the offensive. In terms of what you're gonna do with
the draft, I think they're gonna put Joe Shane in
the Giants front office in a great, great light. But
unfortunately we'll never see that again because nobody wants to
do off season hard knocks. But what a great opportunity
it would have been for the Giants to see what
they do and move and shake and why they ultimately

(01:13:40):
wanted to take Jackson Dart over sad Or Sanders. That
would have been great television. Unfortunately we won't get it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Well, maybe they did something behind the scenes, because again,
the worst of the Joe Shane stuff from last year
was stuff that he wasn't. He came off as whiny
and needy, But I don't think the analysis was wrong. Yes,
like in the end, Saquon Barkley wasn't leading into a
promise land And this is lost in a lot of it, right,
and I'll continue to bang the drum. In the age

(01:14:06):
of the New Age of the running back, all of
those great running backs went to great teams with good
to great offensive lines. It's no coincidence. With the exception
of Joe Mixon. He was the only guy that you
look at the squad and say he outperformed. But we
still had great expectations for what Houston was gonna be
so he achieved despite the offensive line falling apart. But

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everybody else went to teams Green Bay, Baltimore in Philadelphia
where we're talking about their offensive lines as some of
the best in football. So it's no surprise. So Joe
Shane got a lot of flak. I mean, the hey,
can you give us a call thing did not play well,
but the hey, go find the market because we're not

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meeting that number was not wrongheaded analysis.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
And people forget too. They did try to make a
deal with the Patriots, even though he knew it was
a feudal attempt that New England was likely going to
go with Draco may memory made that call and just
say just wanted to check in and he totally sold
at number three and they were at that time. So
I feel that they got such a bad rap because
of it was worst case scenario for them in John

(01:15:15):
Merrill's comments, But if you would have had cameras in
this draft room, I think you would have changed a
lot of narratives about Joe Shane and Brian Davie Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
And Brian Dable going to take a victory lap because
that video now making the rounds of the Shador Sanders.
Nice that went awry. He's dan byr at dan Byro
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(01:16:08):
the Knicks with a twelve point lead over the Pistons.
Zurich Classic of New Orleans going. We got SOMENHL Playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Team event this week, Kent on the PGA Tour.

Speaker 1 (01:16:17):
So tag team battle Yes, nice, all right, let's battle
it up, no question. Look, all of this will go up.
Shay and Chris making us sound so pretty Isaac Lowncron
at the news desk today, Dan, you're talking about from
the fantasy perspective, just a couple of minutes here. We'll
do it in Earnest in a future podcast, but a
couple of names to to kind of highlight from a

(01:16:38):
fantasy perspective. I'm gonna go to the veteran that got
helped first and look at Ted McMillan showing up in Carolina,
pushing all in on what was a good second half
of the year from Bryce Young. I think there's still
some growth to be had there. So while it's not
necessarily a hey, I go draft Bryce Young, I mean
as a backup of course, two quarterback leagues, whatever else,

(01:17:01):
but you now have another steady number one option in
the fold to help accelerate that squad.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
A big option as well. I think it was. It
was go get it, seize matters.

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Yeah, as opposed to Bryce Young being sure, there you
go dollar cost averaging.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Absolutely it works out. I could totally see that, and
after adding Xavier Legett yet last year in there with
the with their picks, I think it makes sense with Carolina,
so we rolled through.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
There, that was one that stood out, and then obviously
me being psychotic Bears fan the overload, while I'm not,
I'm not thrilled about it, like I want a defender
or I want another offensive linean something they addressed all
off seas like, oh, it's kind of hard to argue
with the tight end and then coming back for Luther Burden, right,
so you've got you know the Ben Johnson. I go

(01:17:53):
back to the nineteen eighty nine classic movie Batman. Where
does he get those wonderful toys? Ben Johnson certainly has
a million of them.

Speaker 2 (01:18:00):
I love what Denver did with the drafting of our
j Harvey Omari and Hampton. I like that with the
Chargers in the first round. Our buddy, our buddy Ian
Roddy on our I Want Your Flex podcast, took him
in our top sixty draft for our episode, and now
what a great situation. I know Najie Harris has his
role there, but I think Hampton's going to play well.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Oh roll right over the top and again building structure,
we talk about it all the time. You don't necessarily
need to go for the flashy toy. Hampton falls a
little bit. He mocked in a lot of drafts at
the back end of the top ten and certainly Dallas
at number twelve extole the virtues of grabbing an offensive lineman.
You're never going to get me to argue against those

(01:18:42):
picks as you go. And then the other is Hampton
was certainly a guy there, Burden as you look at it,
a loser. I'm going to look at Chase Brown, go
back to those Bengals because you got Taj Brooks comes
in Texas Tech thirty one hundred yard, twenty seven touchdowns
over the last two years. So a name to look

(01:19:04):
at there. And then we'll be watching where Nick Chubb goes.
Now that you add Judkins, perhaps is he the first
draft pick that was on the throne. There's so many
stories the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
RABL draft they had someone on the throne in the background.
I think that that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Was that was well, he was actually on camera.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
And yeah, the two that I liked, Mason Taylor to
the Jets, justin Fields. We saw the connection that he
had with Cole Comet in Chicago. Maybe it's continued with
the Jets when he was there. Elijah Arroyo to Seattle,
same thing with Donald and t. J. Howkinson in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (01:19:39):
Keep creating some chaos. More fantasy breakdown as the week
goes on, I have a great Sunday. You got Steve
and VJ next here on Fox

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