Mike Harmon & Greg Cosell preview All games in NFL Week 10 and discuss the QB development issue in the NFL!

On a new episode of FOX Football Sunday with Mike Harmon & Greg Cosell, Mike and Greg preview Falcons vs. Colts in Germany, discuss the possible QB controversy in San Francisco, + go in depth previewing each game of Week 10 in the NFL! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio, greeting it. Welcome in
another beautiful Sunday morning. As we get things going. Ninety
minutes from now, we'll have football live from Germany. One
game in the books, four teams on a bye so
much swirling International Football League campaign, Cincinnati, Dallas, Tennessee, and

(00:24):
Kansas City taking the week off, so you can reevaluate
those fantasy lineups for a couple of heavyweights that'll miss
out on this week's action.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Also a lot of quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Missing for this week's game, so we'll get into the
particulars as we roll through the slate, as we do
each and every week. Welcome in on Mike Carbon It's
Fox Football Sunday with me as he is every Sunday,
blessed to do it. Our guy, Greg Cosell forty six
years NFL films the NFL Matchup show, Matching Witch with
Ross Tucker each week, hanging out with Colin Coward one

(00:57):
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Greg Cosell, where you find them on Twitter. Greg. Hopefully
better more robust slate than what got us started here
in week ten.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
Let's hope so I think that game Thursday night. What
did that do? Mike said, offensive football back about thirty years.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Well, it begets a lot of questions. I mean, yeah,
there was a lot to take from it. First off,
you know, I used to do the administrating of the
Yahoo Fantasy Football site once upon a time, Right, so
when you'd have strange scoring plays and parse out who
got credit for the points, Like all week it's been hey,

(01:37):
there was a block punt. No, no, no, that went
past the line of scrimmage. It's not a block. It's
a punt of four yards, that's it. Yeah, it's a
deflected punt, but it got a guy fired.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's right. I saw that. Yeah, I'm not. I'm to
be totally honest. Special teams unfortunately in my seventy five
hour work week kind of falls by the wayside. So
I'm not. I'll be the first to admit I really
don't watch much special teams.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
No, you're you're a wise man, because you're you get
to xciz some curiosities along the way, certainly in the
kicking game. But you know the fact that we do
have some of those big special teams plays that then
loom large as we did not see a scoring fest
to say the least, Denver with the ten to seven win.

(02:23):
That's three hours of my life I won't get back.
I was on air for it, so I got to
comment on it as it was transpiring and questioning a
lot of what was going on.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
So feel for you. I feel for you. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
It's one of two seventy two though, Greg, So I
celebrate them all, not equally. I mean, this one's gonna rank.
I don't know how many are going to be. But
behind it when it's all said done, probably a couple
of Jets games, maybe that Jets Browns game later on today,
I'll rival that. But uh, yeah, it's it was a
we counted as one of those. That's it.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah. No, I think there were twenty first downs total
in the game, which is really remarkable in today's NFL.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yeah, we got to nearly the level of penalties.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
But you know, there was a conversation Andy Furman Bucky
Brooks preceding us here Fox Football Sunday as we get
our things going, but talking about development of quarterback plays.
So I'll be remiss.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Let's go back and find the one highlight from Thursday.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Night fifty said three to the right, two to the left,
Knicks drops back, throws a ball to the end zone.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
The pass is taught and that is a Denver touchdown.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
Troy Franklin with the catch at the gold line and
he had Eric Stokes.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
On his back. So there it is the one highlight.
The bow Knicks touchdown pass to Troy Franklin gets them
the one positive play that we can jump off from
the week that was. But it gets a bigger conversation,
even though Denver's won seven in a row. Greg a
lot of focus on bow Nicks the development there. Sean

(03:55):
Payton whispers, you know, behind the scenes, a little bit
on Colin Show, you know, just kind of wondering, you
know how much they that marriage is working, pushing forward. Look,
you're winning games, but you know for long term viability.
And the question that Andy and Bucky were addressing was,
you know, quarterback development. As we see guys bouncing between colleges,

(04:17):
you know, the consistency or lack thereof with coordinators and
coaching and style and down and distance even leading to
the pros. A lot of times we see a shuffling
in the coordinator positions year to year on tape, Well,
do we see development of bon Nicks, like, where are
we at in the middle of year two?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I mean, there's so many elements to this, and obviously,
you know, we just heard Andy and Bucky talk about it.
So it's not as if you and I plan to
have this conversation and and this conversation could be an
hour and we're not going to do that. But I
think there's the question of quarterback to quarterback development generally,
and then there's a question of bon Nicks. So we'll

(05:00):
just start with bon Nicks. I think one of the
things that stands out when you watch bon Nicks. And
I've always been a believer and this goes back to
when I was taught the position, being very fortunate in
my career to have been taught the position by Bill Walsh.
And to me, everything starts with the fundamentals and the mechanics,
and it starts with how you drop back, your footwork,

(05:21):
the basics of playing the position. The position is not about, hey,
let's go out and make plays, or the position is
not about you know, we've come to the point where
a lot of people say a quarterback has great trades
if you can throw it hard and run FASTO, that's
not what makes a great quarterback at the NFL level. Hey,
it's nice if you can do that, but quarterback is

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a discipline craft at the NFL level, the subtleties, the nuances,
the details. It starts with your footwork. Right now, bon
Nicks from a footwork perspective, is a little chaotic and
a little frenetic. He's not really setting in the pocket,
planting back foot, seeing things as clearly as he needs to.

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And again, I could talk about this for an hour
and we won't. But if you're not doing that, there's
going to be an inconsistency in your play. And Sean
Payton knows this. Everybody who coaches quarterbacks knows this or
should know this. But sometimes it's just hard to get across.
It's hard for the quarterback to execute it. Because if

(06:26):
you're not comfortable playing the position, and Nix isn't right now,
and again, not every single play obviously, but generally, then
what happens is, you know, you only have a certain
amount of time, and so what happens is if you're
not comfortable, if your mechanics aren't there, if you're not
seeing things clearly, you speed up because you know you
just don't have a lot of time. Your internal clock

(06:47):
runs really fast and hot, and then everything starts to
fall apart and your game becomes just erratic and consistent
forre neetic and Nix's is kind of there right now,
and he can work through it because we've seen him
play well. But he's going through a little bit. And
by the way, second year quarterbacks sometimes go through this.

(07:09):
C J. Stroud went through this a bit in his
second year in the league last year. So I don't
view this as abnormal as oh my god, bone Nicks
camp play. They made a mistake. They need a quarterback.
You know, this is a hard position to play at
the NFL level. Now, we can get into a lengthy
conversation and we won't about how quarterbacks are taught from
the time they start playing quarterback when they're ten, eleven,

(07:31):
twelve years old, which by the way, is not overly
conducive to playing the position well at the NFL level.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, we need to get you on a full on
Greg Cosel Masters class, you know that thing that they advertised, Yeah,
how it is so Yeah, I mean you'll teach mering
and you'll teach me how to watch film.

Speaker 3 (07:49):
Well, Hey, my favorite drummer was Bonzo with the Zeppelins.
We're talking yeah, now, we're talking yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Take that down to a whole other level, right the
ringo where you have the guys like my buddy Steve
Gorman who's out on the road with Darius Rucker and
Mike Mills former two.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
So they just started their tour.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
They got a new band that they put Wow. So
they're out and about first couple of songs that came
off the album sound pretty pretty deah.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
He was well past his days with the Black Crows.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Well you know that book he wrote about them. WHOA Yeah,
let me tell you that's some stuff. But but all
that said, right, in different styles like quarterbacking, right, Bonzo Uh,
he was going to go through the drum at times.
So you know, you've got all of all of the
different styles that make fight.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And by the way, every quarterback is not the same,
we know that, but there's certain things that you have
to be able to do. You know, a lot of
people now because quarterbacks have become more athletic than ever Okay,
and that in and of itself is not a bad thing,
but there's still a repetitive mechanics element to playing the
position at a higher level. That is absolutely necessary if

(08:59):
you're going to make throws consistently from the pocket, and
you still need to be able to do that. Now. Granted,
is are there more place maybe in which the defense
wins tactically and the quarterback needs to do something beyond
the structure of the play design. Maybe, But the point is,
if you can't make throws from the pocket with some

(09:21):
kind of consistency, it's very hard to be a good
quarterback in this league.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
Definitely, what we've watched for the last decade plus that
question of transition, and we've done it with a lot
of quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
I always default to.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
You know, what Cam Newton was at different points of
his career and and what separated him at times was
the fact that he was built like a middle linebacker
and can right through guys, and that's going to only
have a certain shelf life, right And we watched as
that goes for bow Knicks right now, trying to figure
out the pace he's backed by one of the best

(09:55):
defenses in the game.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
Oh, and that's the that's critical here. And by the way,
I always find it interesting the way the media and
I guess we'd be considered part of that. You know,
I said watch tape. Sure I didn't watch tape seventy
hours a week, but obviously I talk about the game,
so I guess i'd be considered media these days. But
it's interesting how certain quarterbacks, even if they're not playing

(10:17):
well and they win, they're called winners. Bow Nicks is
not playing well and he's winning, but nobody's calling him
a winner. So it's interesting how the perception of quarterbacks
also influences how they're thought of by by fans because
of the way the media presents them.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, I mean a lot of this to me when
we're looking at this Denver situation, right, quarterback rating in
the mid eighties and a completion percentage of about sixty one,
because that metrics has changed. I mean, I go back
and I look, and you know how different the game
is from what I was growing up. Reg and guys
in the downfield pass, you know, they they put the

(10:53):
ball in harm's way. You know, you were trying to
push here's usually three yards in a cloud of dust.
Which is why I don't think guys like Bradshaw and
some of the.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
Content they didn't worry about completion percentage back then you're right.
I mean back then, great quarterbacks might have completed forty
eight percent of their passes because the game was different.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Right, So like just that evolution. So now when you
got a guy at sixty one percent, that becomes the
thing that starts jumping off the page versus correct, Right,
he made enough plays to win. And the hope is
that you're developing along the way to where it becomes
more consistent. Yeah, you ratchet up the completion percentage, but
in the end, if they're making enough plays to win

(11:32):
and not making the plays, you know, that put you
on the other side, right, Because that was a great
example of a game that people that do the box
score reading and see the two interceptions like, ah, I
you had two picks, like, well one of them hit
Troy Franklin in the hands, like I don't think he
could couldn't have handed the ball any better, and the guy.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
You know, and we get so wrapped up in the
fact that normally, apparently not with bo Nicks, but normally
if a team wins, because people always say the quarterbacks
the most important position, which I think everybody would agree
that it is, we get caught up in quarterbacks most
important position. Team wins, Therefore, quarterback great and there's so
many reasons why teams win and why teams lose. You know,

(12:11):
bo Nicks obviously is on a team that has a
great defense. They led the league in sacks a year ago.
They're leading the league in sacks again by a wide
wide margin this year. They've got an outstanding pass rush,
they've got a really good defense, and certain is even
out right now, but he'll be back. So you know,
he's on a complete team. And they've run the ball
better than I think a lot of people thought because

(12:32):
they were uncertain as to what JK. Dobbins would be,
they were uncertain as to what RJ. Harvey would be,
but they've both ended up being very good contributors in
a run game that's been very, very solid.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, we looked at what even the other night. It
wasn't overwhelming, but Dobbin's still near to eighty yards on
the night. Expected a little from Harvey. I mean, fantasy
owners were mad that they didn't get the rushing yards
from Knicks that they've become accustomed to, as he had
just the negative two. But overall, it's winning football, right.
You got seventeen games the goal is, however, by hook

(13:06):
by crook by you know, whatever unit has to step
up in a particular game. In this case, that special
teams play help set the table and it's enough to
get the w.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
They're eight and two, and again no one's arguing about
Nicks is playing, Well, he's not playing. You know one
thing I've always said, and I think this is and
then we can you know, like I said, I can
talk about this.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I think it's a wonderful conversation.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Yeah, but the point is when you evaluate a quarterback,
for instance, when a quarterback comes out of college, and
I do a ton of this. This is one thing,
you know, I probably watch two hundred and twenty college
players in detail. And when I say detail, I'm talking
about seven eight games for each guy, not not some
highlights on YouTube. I'm watching the coaching tape of college
players and quarterbacks. I really study in detail, particularly the

(13:51):
top ones. I might watch nine or ten of their games.
But when you watch a quarterback, and this is what
I've learned from people smarter than I is I've grown
up doing this, is you have to ice the quarterback
from the rest of the team to evaluate him. You know,
you can't look at a quarterback and say, oh, he's
on a bad team. Well, yeah, that might impact his statistics,

(14:11):
but that doesn't impact his traits and how he plays
the position. Okay, so you have to separate how the
quarterback plays, what his traits are, what you see about
him in isolation from the rest of the team. Now,
obviously the team dictates wins, losses, things of that nature.
But you know, for instance, and again just to throw

(14:32):
a quick aside out, you know, we saw what Mendoza
from Indiana did yesterday in the two minute trail, and
obviously that kid made one of the greatest catches I
think I've ever seen. I've seen that highlight a hundred times.
I don't know how he can twarted his body to
do that. I'd like to be able to do that
for five minutes if you.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
Give me that one moment, right, yeah, I'll trade on
that forever.

Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah. But I mean, the point is you have to
isolate the play of the quarterback. It's separate from the team,
otherwise you get caught up. That's why when people say
things in college like he's a winner, that is a
meaningless thing to say because that doesn't necessarily translate in
any way, shape or form to the league.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
No, that's it, right.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
We put the labels on because as we continue our
conversation and it's easy. Well, but that's it. You slap
a big broad tag on it and move on.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah. Right. If a guy wins, of course you could
say he's a winner. That's easy. You know, when you
have access to the results, everybody's a genius.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
No, it's it.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
The bigger question is why and how and breaking down
how you got there. You know, the the box score
reading is part of part of the business for sure,
but you know going back and looking at the devil
in the details is well, it's a the hard part
and certainly it may may yield some results and some

(15:50):
findings that make you a little bit uncomfortable, and you know,
maybe gives us that learning for going.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
And one final point, the fascinating guy for people like
myself when we do draft work, if he chooses to
come out, we'll be Leonoris Sellers from South Carolina because
he's big, he can throw it hard, and he's a
great runner, but he's not really a very good quarterback,
and those are two different things.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, it's going to be an interesting draft evaluation process.
Can't wait to see how deep your depth chart has
to go on the quarterbacks. Yeah for the twenty twenty
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less on that actual atrocity that we witness on Thursday night.
But coming up next, a guy who may never shake

(16:56):
his past. It took one game, one game with some
turnovers to have the Boo birds out once again.

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We appreciate you giving us a few minutes at the
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(18:26):
Cell with you here as we get you ready for
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some of the video clips of what he breaks down
forty six years with the with NFL films, making us
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of that, it's like little morsels because even going into

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you know, as we finished that first part of the
conversation here Greg go into the studio, I got Mark,
and we got Brandon with us this week, Brianna off
and Brand and I immediately we pick up the conversation
where we're going talking about where you land and all
of those things you know for quarterbacks, all those you know,
chapters two through ten of your masterclass to go through.

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But certainly a guy that you know, a lot of
the football world still waiting and you know, some with
the quote other shoe to drop, others saying all right,
is this the promise that we saw going all the
way back to being drafted in the first round with
the New York Football Giants years ago. And that's one
Daniel Jones. Let's hear Daniel Jones highlight. Let's question mark Jones, well,

(19:29):
throw it, intercept it, it's picked off by Wilson. Another
huge play by a Steelers defense. Peyton Wilson slides a
little pass, comes back.

Speaker 6 (19:39):
Daniel Jones puts it right there and it hits them
right in the chest.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
And then one of the low lights there CBS on
the call last week's game, the Pittsburgh defense that we
still have a giant question mark on on a week
to week basis, Greg, but they came up big against
Jones and the Colts a week ago. He'll look to
rebound again the Falcons in Germany. But it started up
some of those other conversations owing to what we just

(20:06):
were getting into with bo Nicks.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, I act. You know, it's funny when you watch
games and I watch every play, and that's what you
need to do, and you have to try to understand
each and every play. And Daniel Jones did not play
poorly last week. You have to understand he dropped back
fifty five times in the game. Twenty six of them
came in the fourth quarter. That's not the way they
want to play or that's not the way any team

(20:29):
wants to play. We just saw that interception. I could,
you know, give you a ton about that specific play.
I won't be because I'd be going into the weeds.
But just understand this. A number of the sacks came
on first and ten, and on first and ten they
did not chip and help with wa or high Smith.
On third down they did. So it was one on

(20:52):
one for the right tackle and the left tackle, who
both had poor games, and one on one pass protection.
But if you watch that tape single play, you'll see
that Jones made some big time throws in that game.
And obviously you can't fumble in the pocket. We know
that and so does he. But he did not play
a terrible game that that game for some reason, because

(21:14):
it was not really it didn't really get away from
them through most of the game. It was just one
of those games where it seems that they got away
from what they do because Jonathan Taylor, even early on,
did not seem to be a big factor in the game.
But I think the people who believe just based on
the turnovers itself and Jones may and the fact that

(21:36):
they lost, who think that Jones looked bad, I would
say the tape does not reflect that at all. In fact,
you know, one note I made watching the tape was
what continues to stand out with Jones is that he
is seeing the field with clarity as far as routes
versus coverage, and that's allowing him to be decisive with
his reads and his throws. He's been like that pretty

(21:56):
much every game.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
A couple of big throws that as a I was
watching it back Greg where you know to there was
a sixteen yard or to Pittman that stood out, and
once again Alec Pearce being that big play threat, but
he's become six for one fifteen a week ago, Pittman
nine for one to fifteen, and Josh Downs, who seems
to be elevating week to week, three straight games with

(22:18):
a touchdown, you know, exception, but a guy who's becoming
more of a threat.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
You know, it's funny you mentioned Downs and I just
will very quickly say something about that Wilson interception that
we heard the radio on. Jones looked to his left initially.
Now I don't know if he just looked there just
to take a quick peek or if that was his
primary read, but then he threw the Downs on the
whip route in the middle, and that was a play
where they chipped, so ch Taylor chipped on Watt, and

(22:43):
you know what that did. It slowed his release into
the flat where Wilson would have expanded if Taylor had
been able to get into the flat quicker, but he
chipped Watt, so he didn't get into the flat. Now,
I'm pretty sure I wouldn't know this for a fact,
but I would bet Jones just anticipated that, you know what,
Taylor was going to get into the flat, Wilson was

(23:05):
going to expand and I'd have the clean whip brought
to downs. But because Taylor did not get in the flat,
Wilson didn't have to expand, and therefore he was sitting
right there there.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
You have it. We'll see if we can get a
hold and back channel that to get an answer for you,
just to confirm your suspicions there.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
That's what I believe happened, just based on and I
watched that play ten times when I watched the tape.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
No, I believe it. It's one that going back and
trying to with each of those turnovers and plays five
sacks as you said, you know, coming off those first
down not shipping, you know, in game adjustments as it were,
But fifty five dropbacks certainly not what they want to see.
They have Falcons later on today. A Falcons team that

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has had its fits and starts over the course of
the year with Michael Penix Junior under center, but a tough.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Defense to play against. Mike, a tough defense. They aggressive
with pressure, and they play a lot of man coverage.
It's not an easy Now again, we'll see if they
play as much man coverage how they feel about Terrell's
a very good corner. They've got Mike Hughes on the
other side who's been around the league and is a
solid player. But they pressure. Now, they're gonna bring pressure.
You can guarantee that.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Three straight losses, you know for the Falcons as we
look at them, take the offensive approach because they're facing
a little new look Indianapolis defense bringing in Sauce Gardner,
so their defensive backfield new lease on life. He'll play
for a winner. Do you think that changes his circumstance,

(24:39):
like literally walking in the door, it just feels different.

Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm sure it does. Look we're not in the Jets
locker rumor in the Jets building so you know, it's
always hard to know what a feeling is when a
team's not playing well. I'm sure it's very, very difficult.
But he's a very good player. There's not many corners
in this league with his size, his length, his movement ability.
He's a very very good player. So that's an upgrade
for sure. But one player they've lost for four weeks

(25:04):
is to Forrest Buckner, and that's a pretty meaningful loss.
He's not talked about enough when it comes to the
better d tackles in this league, but he fits into
that category.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Well, you know me, I love the guys on the
front lines, the wall of mean as I'm trying to
assemble it as I get older. The guys is celebrate
in the middle, and that's a huge loss, particularly here
when you're talking about a team that relies on trying
to get Jon Robinson off early and often. Greg we
look at his box score week to week, the run

(25:36):
game not necessarily popping off three straight games with fewer
than fifty rushing yet, but still such an active part
of the pass game. But against with no Buckner there,
I got to think he at least try to test
the middle.

Speaker 3 (25:49):
That's something that has been a little confusing to me. Again,
I'm not in the Falcons building, so I don't know
how they go about their game planning. But I would
think with a quarterback who's essentially a rookie. He only
started three games at the end of last season, so
Michael Pennix is essentially a rookie quarterback, I would think
that they'd want to lean on the run game and

(26:09):
have that be the foundation, especially with a back like Robinson,
who I believe, just in terms of his overall traits,
is the best back in the league. Obviously people are
going to look at the numbers and say, oh, no,
he's not, but it would seem to me that you'd
want to start your offense with him, which they really
haven't done the last number of weeks. So I don't
know if that's something they'll get back to, or if

(26:31):
this is the way they feel they can play best.
That's always hard to know, but it just seems to
me that Robinson is not being deployed in a way
that can really maximize what he brings to the table.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Now we look at the receiving game, you've got London,
the aforementioned Robinson and Kyle Pitts, who's up to what
forty three receptions on the year, a much bigger target.
They haven't gotten much help from the ancillary receiver position.
Darnell Mooney's been out a bunch. Ray Ray McLeod who
was there a while he got yeah so. And but
for Michael Pennix Junior, you know, we're talking tape and growth.

(27:05):
He's hitting on about sixty one percent of his throws
at this point. What are we seeing from him? As
we get to.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
See he's an odd thrower. He's got a big arm,
but you know, he's one of those guys and I'm
not sure what to make of this. When you watch him,
his feet it's almost like his feet are stuck in
cement when he throws. You know, he doesn't have much
bounce to him. The lower body is kind of tight
and stiff, but he can compensate because he's got a
big arm. I'm just curious to watch his development. And

(27:34):
he's a very smart kid. I've been around him. I
think he'll continue to improve, but they're gonna need more
at the wide receiver position going forward. That won't happen
this year, And like I said, I think they really
need to give him more help by having the run
game be more of a foundation.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
There's one hundred and eighteen carries thus far for b
John Robinson. He's only gone over twenty carries once in
a game, which is.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Which which cris me as a little you know, and
you talk about one hundred and eighteen carries, I mean
with a back like that, you know where that stands.
He's he's fifteenth in the NFL when it comes to
number of carries.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
I go back to his rookie year, Greg, you know,
when Arthur Smith was the coordinator there. I would bag
on it. It's like, do you clearly have a guy
that's special? Why are we not seeing the ball more
and and that, you know, and trying to get your
offense jump started when you've got that type of threat.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Just is always curious to me.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Obviously we're not in the room, you know, we we
we certainly you know put that up of you know,
game planning down distance and and see your sequence so calling.
But yeah, when you got a guy that special, fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Yeah, and think about this, Quinn Sehn Jenkins, who's played
one less game has the same number of carries.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Wow, Okay, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (28:53):
That kind of puts it in perspective.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I think absolutely, you know, and because you know I
look at the clock, and you know, we talk about
m timing and all of those things. This allows us
to give us that thirty five seconds on Cleveland and
the New York Football Jets because we touch them all.
Do we have to well, you know, no, I guess
we don't. The over under is down to thirty seven
and a half. You mentioned quinchin Judkins, so you know,

(29:18):
I think that suffices for talking about that game. Greg.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
How about me, We've got something better.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I about Baltimore and Minnesota twenty seven to twenty four.
The win last week for Minnesota. JJ McCarthy in his return.
We talked last week, you know, the Baltimore return because
we had that game against Miami. I'm curious to see
how much more Isaiah likely we see in that Baltimore
set going forward. But for Minnesota, what'd you see from

(29:44):
JJ McCarthy Week one?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
JJ McCarthy's a fascinating guy this game, but by the way,
deserves a lot of attention Mike on both sides, just
so you know. But JJ McCarthy is an interesting player
to me because McCarthy and I noticed this even when
I evaluated him coming ou out of college, and I'm
curious to see his development because I think he's got
an issue that is very difficult to fix. He's what

(30:08):
we call a locked front leg thrower. So when he
throws the ball, his front leg locks, his knee locks,
and what that does is it prevents him from clearing
his back hip and throwing with core torque and weight transfer,
So it makes it difficult for him to drive the
ball and it can also hurt your ball placement. Now,

(30:29):
I think as a pure arm guy, like if you
just look at his arm, I think he's got a
good arm. But because he locks his front leg, if
you were to stand up and go into a throwing
motion and then lock your front leg, it would almost
be like you've hit a wall. You can't go any
further because your front leg is locked. So, like I said,

(30:49):
you can't clear your back hip and it prevents him
from really driving the ball. There was a quarterback like
that who won a lot of games in the NFL,
and on to that watching McCarthy this week, and that
was Alex Smith. He was another locked front leg thrower,
and it's just very hard to really drive the ball,

(31:10):
and I'm wondering if there's gonna be similarities between the
two because I think both guys are tough guys, you know,
to be cliched. I think they both had moxie, you know,
that kind of stuff. But it's it's gonna be interesting
to see JJ McCarthy's development.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
It's curious because you know, all the stuff out of
the locker room, people start going into the performative. I'm
worried about what happens between the white lines. What happens
thereafter for social media is for everybody else to dissect.
We'll stay with this game, go to the other side,
talk a little bit more on the Baltimore offense. Lamar
Jackson back after missing a couple of weeks. We saw

(31:45):
him in his return the twenty eight to six win.
We'll see how that translates to try and to break
down the floor as defense. We'll do that as we continue.
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(32:27):
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(32:48):
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(33:10):
can apply as we do our own watching, and you know,
some of those conversations we're having at the watering hole
or at.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
The house, he's like, hey, you know what this guy did?

Speaker 1 (33:19):
You know, and make sure to get proper accreditation to
Greg Cosel as you do. So as we go through
the processes, I certainly do. We're talking about Baltimore and Minnesota, Greg,
as we got commercial and the Minnesota side of it,
McCarthy still with us. You know, run game that's kind
of spotty at times. The Baltimore side of it interesting.

(33:41):
You got the leading receivers Zay Flowers. We saw a
little more of Mark Andrews right two for two perfect
deficiencies sure last time out. Two catches, two touchdowns. Likely.
We highlighted that thirty five yard catch he had from
Lamar Jackson in that game.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
Lamar a moving and likely moving with him, mirroring his movement.
That's what they do so so well obviously because they
know Lamar will move and Lamar when he moves like that,
does look to throw the ball. He doesn't always look
to run.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Now, so as we look at this matchup with the
way Flora is in the aggressiveness of his defense, I
would suspect we see a lot more of Andrews and
likely leaking out while it's trying to establish Derek Henry early.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Of course, it won't be the same this week because
obviously Minnesota just played Jared Goff, and Jared Goff and
Lamar Jackson are not even close to the same kind
of quarterback. But I have to tell you I thought,
in watching that Minnesota defensive tape last week, I thought
that was one of the best tactical games I've seen
this year. Think of it this way, and it made

(34:47):
me think of something from years and years ago. But
what did Floras do? He pressured a lot, but he
focused all his pressures in the A gaps. And the
reason he did that is he forced Jamiir Gibbs have
to pass protect. Okay, so Jamiir Gibbs he was forced
to pass protect on fifteen of Goff's thirty two dropbacks.

(35:10):
So what did that mean. It means he meant he
could not release into routes where he is a definite
matchup problem. So Flores did such a good job of
understanding that. You know, it reminded me of something from
the early two thousands when the Patriots and the Colts
had their big rivalry, and what Bill Belichick would do
against the Colts is he'd pressure in such a way

(35:32):
that forced Edger and James to have to stay in
to pass protect. Because James was such a terrific receiver,
he knew he wasn't going to sack Peyton Manning because
Manning never got sacked. He always got rid of the ball.
But he just made sure that James would stay in
to block, and they forced Gibbs. And I tell you,
I give Gibbs a ton of credit because he really

(35:54):
went after it hard. But the point is he was
forced to say stay in and pass protect. I just
thought that that strategic element was so good.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Just three catches for three yards last week for Jamior Jay, Yeah,
and that's been an interesting piece. I want to get
back to the San Francisco and Rams game in a minute,
but just Detroit offensively. We look at Gibbs at this
point in the year, Greg He's got thirty one catches
for one hundred and ninety seven yards.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, not a lot of yards at all, I mean,
and he's such an explosive player. So you know, teams
are doing as Minnesota did a better job of controlling
him in the past game, you know. And the funny
thing was, and we spoke about this last week when
we were talking about the Minnesota Detroit game, is last
year Gibbs killed Minnesota. So there's no question that Brian

(36:41):
Flores made sure that he was going to prevent Gibbs
from being a factor, certainly in the past game.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Certainly one of those things you hang up on the
mantles like I was able to get tell you that
guy and you said, it's unstoppable. We'll get back to
Detroit and Arnis a little bit later on next hour
as they have a date with Washington. One of those
games that kind of gets pushed down a little bit
because we've got some other heavyweight battles to preview as
we get through the slate. We've got the Rams on

(37:07):
the road at San Francisco four and a half point favorites,
another Mac Jones experiment forty nine and a half, and
you know, all the Kyler Murray talk this past week,
Cabby were sent. It begets some conversations about what's going
on in San Francisco as we look at what Mac
Jones has been relative to brock Purty.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Yeah, I don't think there's a debate there. I mean,
they paid party. I think Purty's better than Jones. Jones
is in the perfect spot for the kind of quarterback
he is. He can really play one way, and that's
the Kyle Shanahan way. That system works perfectly for him.
But I really don't believe and this is my point
of view. Obviously others could disagree. I don't think there's

(37:49):
a debate there. I think that brock perty is the quarterback.
But they're very fortunate to have Jones. Obviously, the offense
runs through McCaffrey. We saw that again last week versus
the Giant, and he's such he's the critical piece a
team that is so creative with their run game concepts,
how they get to basic concepts. They now they've got
this motion I don't know what they call it that

(38:11):
they do with uscheck, which is really interesting, and they
get to multiple blocking techniques with it. But there it's
really a run first team and then and then Jones.
You want him to be efficient, as he certainly was
against the Giants, playing a better defense this week with
the Rams clearly, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
As we look at McCaffery, He's already over twelve hundred
total yards for the season, which is just insane, third
most targeted receiver in that game.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah, that's yeah. They that's the key to their offenses
because right now they're receiving situation with so many people out.
Pierce are still out, I Yuke's not back yet, you know,
Kittle is. They don't necessarily you know, I say this
to people all the time. Their offense is not built
on focusing on one receiver. They don't go into a

(38:57):
game mic with the idea, oh, we got to get
your Kittle involved early. They don't play like that. They
don't think like that. You know, I did a study
of their first quarter plays this year, and you know
what they do. It's over fifty percent of their first
quarter plays come out of twenty one personnel with us
check on the field. That's the way they structure their offense,
and they work off that. They're not really a pass

(39:20):
first team.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
We've talked a lot about Kittle and his return. What
it means to the run game as well.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
Oh, big time.

Speaker 1 (39:26):
I mean just you know, to spotlight the receivers a second.
Kendrick Bourne had had a big run. He's got eight
targets the last three weeks. John Jennings three straight weeks
with four receptions. That's great going up against that Rams
secondary this week. But let's talk Matthew Stafford a second
twenty one touchdowns, two picks, nine touchdowns his last two
games out.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
You know what's really been interesting watching them and we'll
see if it continues, is they have played in their
last two games a heavy heavy dose of thirteen personnel,
meaning three tight ends on the field, and believe it
or not, they've thrown the ball really well out of it.
So in those two games at of thirteen personnel, Stafford's
thirteen for nineteen for one hundred and thirty two yards

(40:10):
and six touchdowns at a thirteen personnel. So we'll see
the last game they played. They had thirty five snaps
of thirteen personnel last week, so we'll see if they
do that. If they continue that.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Well, that'll also I'm having more big guys out there.
What we got more protection from Matthew Stafford, which yes,
here without questions as you're going to the pursuit of January.
As we continue, we look at a second year quarterback
on the rise.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
But is this receiver happy we'll talk next.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
A greetings and welcome in hour two of the program
today at week ten of your National Football League Season
one game in the books, we watched it so you
didn't have to Denver and seven win over the Raiders.
At a half hour, we'll get live from Jermy, Indianapolis
taking on Atlanta forty eight eight and a half the

(41:04):
over under that one, so expecting some fireworks. Welcome in.
It's Fox Football Sunday, Mike Carbon alongside Greg Cosell at
Greg co cell on Twitter where you find him, NFL
Films forty six years, the NFL Matchup Show.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's always a treat traversing the radio dial to hear him.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
You can do that on appointment scheduling one o'clock Eastern
on Thursdays, alongside our own Colin Cowherd as part of
the Herd doing some tape review and some big picture
kind of ISOs of quarterbacks and where we're going kind
of what we do here each and every Sunday. So
we're blessed to be with you as we are each

(41:42):
and every week of this NFL season. We got Mark
tagged out, Chris is In as our technical producer, Brandon
In as our executive producer, and we'll hear from Isaac
lohen Crown a little bit later as we're starting to
get some of the injury information for the big day ahead.
But one of the big games from last week total
chaotic and tory game that I gotta be honest, Greg,

(42:04):
I watched a lot of it, and I was in
the car for part of it going to my daughter's
soccer game. I'm like, all right, this one.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Is kind of done.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
No.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
From the time of getting out of my car and
walking into the stadium.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
To go sit and watch my daughter's soccer game.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
The Bears gave up the lead to the Cincinnati Bangles,
and then we had this play from Caleb Williams which
well made me a winner.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
Caleb prows little with a film lovel catch, picks away
at the thirty PLoP, the twenty cluff, the ten cloff
of the end zone touchdown, Bears clost to Lovelin on
a throw by Caleb Williams on the blitz with seventeen
seconds to go, and the Bears reclaimed the lead forty
seven two.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That would be the final Jeff Joniac about to pass
out as he made that call on the Bears Radio Network.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
You gotta love Jeff. You gotta love Jeff.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Hey, he's wearing it on his sleep even. I mean,
that game was just insane. What's funny is one of
the parents of one of my daughter's teammates, he was
watching the action unfold and he saw me sit down
and you know, I didn't have my phone out of
you know, the game is beginning.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
He's like, no, no, no, we got to watch the end.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Of this and it's the final possession and like we
both kind of had a scream and there was nothing
happening in my daughter's soccer game. So all players on
the field and both benches just looking at us, like,
what is wrong with you two? I can't explain it.
I can't. But a big play Loveland, the guy that

(43:36):
we've questioned for a lot of the season, Greg why
he wasn't being seen more prominently in the past game,
he comes up huge. A lot made this week about
Roma Dunza's dad. The Bears had the greatest clapback by
putting together because Roma Dunza was miked up. He went
without a catch in that game. Did have a red
zone target that wasn't an easy catch, but one he

(43:59):
probably makes pretty often, but either way, the Bears clap
back on social media, Greg with about a two and
a half minute super cut of Roma dunees A blocking,
slapping his teammate's helmets and getting hyped after big plays
that he helped in doing all the little things. So
I thought that spoke very loudly. I want to make
sure to give that its proper recognition on a national forum.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Well, that play we just heard that was a big
time seam throw by Williams. That was I mean, And
that situation obviously was about as critical as you could get.
But the anticipation, the ball placement, it was cover two.
We put it right in the void. Obviously the tackle
should have been made. But you know, you mentioned Lovelin,
and I thought this was a game, by the way,
where I really thought, for the first time this year,

(44:46):
I saw a lot of what I really viewed as
the Ben Johnson pass game concepts. And it's funny because
I think I watched Caleb Williams right after I watched
the Lions offense on tape, so I and that just
worked out that way. I didn't intentionally, but it's funny
how you see, I saw so much of the same.
And I thought that Loveland had a thirty one yard

(45:07):
catch actually in the third quarter, which the play was
designed for him to run arout against a corner and
because it was a concept we call dagger, and he
ran the route against DJ Turner. And that's what Lovelin
can do. And I think we're going to see more
and more of that. But again, this was a game
where Williams made some big time throws and also there

(45:30):
were others examples where he still saw him being a
little bit of a work in progress where he's a
bit slow with his reeds and did not get the
throws that were there. But when he makes throws, when
he sees it the right way and does play within timing, boy,
is he a pretty thrower of the football. And I
got to tell you, I'm not sure I've seen anybody

(45:52):
throw it with more juice on the move than Caleb Williams.
I mean, he has a power hose when he's on
the run. He can really drive the football.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
That thing came out to Loveling down that scene and
again the pinball effect. You had three guys with a
shot at him, but Loveland battles through to get to
the end zone. What's been interesting to watch right it's
the week to week cul de sac is what I
call it. A folks driving back and forth on the
Caleb Williams evaluation and something you and I talked about
from from week one together. You know, the work in

(46:25):
progress of you know, that's what it is, challenge what
he's doing.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, I hope people understand that. You know, when you
talk about I guarantee Ben Johnson, you know, it's funny
you talk about this stuff and I sit and watch tape,
and you know when I talk to people as well,
and they're interested. You know, people in the league where
I have to say about the quarterbacks. But you know,
Ben Johnson is not going in on Monday after this
game and saying to Caleb, Caleb, you were perfect on

(46:49):
every single play. We have nothing to do this week.
You know that doesn't happen no matter you could win
fifty to nothing and a coach would never say that.
There's always things that need to be worked on. So
when I type as I'm watching the tape that there
is still a times and unfocused nature to Williams pocket play.
That is the next step in his continued development to
play with more defined clarity and control and calculation. That

(47:12):
is not a rip on Caleb Williams. That's a continuation
of the process as he goes through it with Ben Johnson.
There's no question he is really gifted. And when he
plays properly the way Ben Johnson wants him to play, boy,
does he look good?

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Now? They got in their bag a little bit some
of the trick plays and comed who eventually left with
the concussion, with the reception, Caleb with the catches, all
of that once that you know, and it's something we've
talked about a lot in terms of structure and certainly
what Ben Johnson wants to do. Right now, the Bears
are tied for second most pass attempts out of play action.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
A great point, and that's the Ben Johnson offense, and
Caleb Williams was getting better at that because that's a
learned trait. Mike, we may have talked about this previously,
but when when you turn your back to the defense
when you're under center, if you've never done that before,
and ninety nine point nine percent of quarterbacks nowadays as
they grow up with the position in seven on sevens

(48:10):
and all that which have become so prevalent and even
through college where they never do that. They're basically in
the shotgun on every snap. That's a learned trait when
you turn your back to the defense. If you've never
done that, you know how fast your internal clock starts
to go, and it goes fast anyway, that's a really
difficult thing to learn.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
On the other side of this game, the excitement of
Jackson Dart, now it's tempered. You don't have Scatabo trying
to run through the juggernaut. But for Dart, you've only
got one game where he's thrown for more than two
hundred yard or two hundred and two yards. But he
is such a threat in the run game. Four games
with at least fifty rushing yards of rushing touchdown in
five of his six starts, something that certainly can give

(48:52):
fits to a Bears defense that's been opportunistic plus thirteen
in that turnover differential to lead the NFL. But they
certainly do let you move between the twenties.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah, Dart's an exciting player to watch. He's a fun
player to watch because of his movement and the fact
that he uses his legs so often. You know, it's funny.
I spoke with the coach this week when we were
talking about Dart and you know, he's still playing and
we both agreed. This coach, you know, studies quarterbacks in
the league, and Dart's still playing with unfocused eyes at times.

(49:24):
There's too much head and body movement in his pocket.
I think the picture's still a little muddy for him.
You don't see a lot of timing and rhythm throws.
And this gets back to the beginning of our conversation
this morning, where you talked about evaluating a quarterback and
isolating his traits. Does he have great receivers? Of course not,

(49:44):
but that's not really relevant to how he's seeing the
field and playing the game. And he's a fun watch
and I'm sure Giants fans are very excited, as they
should be, because he looks like the kind of guy
that you feel good about. But just as far as
playing the position the way it needs to be played,
he's another work in progress. And I hope people understand
that this is not a definitive statement about his career, Mike.

(50:07):
This is where he's at right now, which, by the way,
is not a surprise to anybody, you know. Now, it's
just the learning process and how he develops as he
continues to get more and more experience.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Now that is the chaos factor of it all. You know,
you're learning on the fly and ceratinly. Losing neighbors not
the best for pushing you forward. No, today, today you
get the extra bonus. Greg. We may have winds high
as thirty five miles an hour and snow in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
They're talking snow.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
Huh talking snow talking huge rains out here in southern
California for the week.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So yeah, that'll be fun driving.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
That's not my favorite four letter word, by the way, snow.
And I grew up in the northeast, so you know,
but I'm not a big fan of.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
That now because then you get that heavy snow and
it leads to all the back injuries and hospital states.
It's not good for business, no question.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
But it's not good for anything. It just makes it
too hard to get around.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
That's it. You gotta find that teenager on your block,
invest in me, invest in the more, and just say
you can guess my more. But you're come to do this,
you know, you know, sweep sweep my area, no question
about it. All right, As we continue, how about Sunday
night football? As we continue this one, Pittsburgh and the
Chargers chargers down Joe Walt. They make a trade with

(51:20):
New Orleans to try to help that offensive line a
little bit. But we talk about the pressure rate season
high what one hundred and four blitzes against Justin Herbert
Already he's been hit repeatedly. Still two hundred and sixty
five passing yards per game, eighteen and eight twenty eight sacks.
Hidal has been great out of the backfield for them.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
But this is one.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Where the Pittsburgh pass rush, it'll be curious to see
how how they try to work. We talked about Indianapolis's
struggles a week ago.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, and Pittsburgh's pass rush. Finally last week high Smith
and Watt won one on one battles and now they're
gonna It'll be interesting to see what to Harbaugh and
Greg Roman do because the tackle position is obviously going
to be a weakness in terms of one on one
pass protection. So we'll see what they do there. I'll
tell you one matchup I'm really looking forward to seeing.

(52:12):
You know, Jalen Ramsey last week played safety on every
snap and I don't know if that's something they're going
to continue to do if he's essentially now a safety
in the Steelers defense, because earlier in the season he
was playing safety at times, about a lot of slot
corner as well, and even times he played outside corner.
But last week it was one hundred percent safety, and
he matched up to Tyler Warren when they did play

(52:33):
man to man coverage. I'm very curious to see now
if they match him up to Ronde Gatston, who over
the last month, Mike, and then for those fantasy people,
they know what I'm talking about. Ronde Gaston has become
a really meaningful target for Justin Herbert. I mean, and
he's kind of a big wide receiver even though he's
technically a tight.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
End, standing six five two thirty six over the last
four games a total of twenty four receptions.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
Yeah, so he's he's he's been a major factor. They
do a nice job scheming him, but also the one
on one matchups, and I think you will see the
rams He Gatsdon matchup in this game.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
Pittsburgh offense, on the other hand, one that leaves.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Us wanting oftentimes. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Third view is rushing yards per game. It's just eighty
seven Rogers averaging two eleven. But we talked about it
a little bit last week. Still trying to find DK Metcalf.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Yeah, this offense, I mean, I'm just being honest. It's
a tough one for me to watch this in terms
of enjoyment of watching football, you know. So yeah, like
you said, they try to run it. They use a
lot of big people. Every once in a while. It
looks good because Washington, the tight end, who I have
it from a good source that he's probably closer to
three hundred pounds than two sixty five. You know, he's

(53:51):
a very good blocker for a tight end. He can
block defensive ends one on one, and that's important in
their run game. But the past game is you know,
even with Aaron Rodgers, it's it's just there's not a
lot there right now. You have to hope as the
season progresses, for their sake anyway, that it just gets
better and better. But offensively, they're not an easy offense

(54:11):
to watch for me anyway.

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As we continue, that is a Sunday Night, a fair
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Speaker 1 (55:44):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio. It's Fox Football Sunday.
Mike Carmon, Greg Coasell with you. Having a blast rolling
through the games of week ten. Reminder, you've got just
a few minutes to get those lineup changes in. If
you had anybody that you were in debate between the
Falcons and Colts that game coming up.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I was looking at Alex Pearce. Alex Pierce had to.

Speaker 1 (56:07):
Find his way into the back end of the lineup,
looking for one of those big plays, Greg Cosel to
get me excited, and if I'm going to be watching
it in the studio, I got to have that extra
vested interest along the way that and I've talked him
up a bunch over the course of the week, and
then I realized, Hey, he's been sitting on a bench
on one of my squads. Bad job by me.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Well, they're starting to use him a lot more too.
They're lining him up as what we call the boundary X,
the single receiver to the short side of the field.
So he's getting more targets.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
Letting him go and get it, averaging about twenty one
yards of catch as we get ready for Week ten,
can't wait for this matchup, the curiosity of what Atlanta
does and to see if we get more Bijon Robinson,
and of course for Indianapolis, the bounce back effort after
that game against the Steelers. But one of the biggest
games on the slate today has my rapt attention, certainly

(56:59):
my folks. My dad was asking me about it the
other day. He said, I asked Greg what he thinks
of Baker Mayfield. So we'll do that in a second.
But let's start with the other side of things. The
New England Patriots.

Speaker 7 (57:10):
To left and one right for Mac Jones in the shotgun,
stomps his foot, gets the football back to pass pressure
in his face, throws.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
It out left.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Jennicks catches, try to the ten, jumps for the left
pylon he is and for a forty nine ers touchdown.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
We got the forty nine ers. There's Mac Jones, former
New England Patriots quarterback. Along the way. Let's highlight a
little bit of Drake may as we flow six straight
wins for them. They were plus sixty eight point differential
thus far on the year, and you look at what
May has been with Stefan Diggs becoming his number one,

(57:45):
starting to mix in Trivia and Henderson a little bit
as the season goes on. Here Greg so a little
more balanced. But from Drake May to seven and two
a guy that it's just been seemingly fairly easy flow
from my squad.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
And and Kayshawn Booty is out today, and I think
that's meaningful. He's he's a very good receiver.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yards per catch, so that's a play threat out the game.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
I mean, May has been really good in a lot
of the areas that you don't expect a second year
quarterback to be good. He's very good versus blitz. He's
been very good on third down. He's very controlled and
calculated in the pocket. He's such an easy throw over
the football I would expect against this Bucks defense and
Todd Bowles. You know, Todd Bowles is not the kind

(58:34):
of guy that plays risk averse defense. So even though
May has been good versus blitz, even though May has
been good, when I watch the tape, when when the
picture changes pre snap to post snap, he's been good.
With that, I don't think Todd Bowles is the kind
of guy Mike that's going to say, oh, then we
better not do what we do. That's not the way
Todd Bowles thinks. So I think you're going to see

(58:57):
some pressure concepts in situationally that may's not seen before.
And Todd Bowles uses defensive backs more than any other
coach in the league as part of his pressures, and
they come from places that are very hard for offensive
linemen to have any feel for. So to me, this

(59:18):
is going to be really interesting to see how it
plays out.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
And for the Tampa Bay side of things.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Baker Mayfield hitting on about sixty four percent of his
pass attempts thirteen to two touchdown to interception ratio last
time out that lost to New Orleans, second game of
the year that Baker was held to fewer than two
hundred passing yards. But this has been an interesting run
trying to cobble together or receiving week to week for

(59:44):
the Buccaneers.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
Yeah, they haven't been as explosive in the past game
in the last two to three games, and obviously they're
missing pieces, but it just hasn't looked as good on tape.
It hasn't looked as fluids as structured, so they need
to get back to that. Obviously, they don't have the
players they'd like to have. They don't have a true

(01:00:05):
boundary X receiver right now, and and I think much
of their offense was built on Mike Evans being that
boundary X who you could line up one on one
and he could win. So it's been a little bit
of a struggle. We'll see what their approach is against
a very overlooked Patriots defense that's very good and has

(01:00:25):
a lot of players that people may not know about
but are really good players, like Robert Splaine, the linebacker
is a very very good player. Marcus Jones has played
really well at nicol slot corner. They're playing with a
rookie safety Woodson from the University of California at Berkeley's.
He won the job in training camp. It's the reason

(01:00:46):
they just traded Kyle Duggar. So they've got a lot
of solid play from good players that you wouldn't expect.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Well, you got a nod to the cal Bears, who
got a big win last night. They did four Louisville Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
They sure did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Our friend Amy.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Tress celebrating that one in the post.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
So it's good to see, you know, getting some run
on the Hall of Fame advancement there. I've already written
my letter of support. I will do two more this week,
like I'm in the Shawshank redemption on her behalf. But
certainly for the Patriots, tied for fifth in terms of
total defense given up to eighteen point eight good per game,

(01:01:25):
and they've been done a good job. I mean they're
at a zero for the year in terms of a
turnover differential, but you know they've played clean football. I mean,
this is one of the more interesting games of the
week for now.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
Question. Yeah, no, I'm really curious to see that Patriots
O bucks D side of the ball because, like I said,
Todd Balls is not a He's not going to sit back.
He's going to have something that Drake may has not
seen yet.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
No Godwin, no Irving yet. We talked about the receiving corps.
It's been Abuca, Shepherd, Oughton and now twenty one catch
out of the backfield for Rashon White.

Speaker 3 (01:02:02):
I'll tell you the guy who's been hurt all year,
he got hurt in the preseason and I don't know
when he's coming back is Jalen McMillan. And I really
liked him coming out of Washington and he started to
come on last year as a rookie in the second
half of the season. And he's been hurt all of
this year and I think he's a really good player,

(01:02:23):
but he hasn't been able to play yet.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
Yeah. So he got hurt back in August preseason game
against Pittsburgh, suffered a broken bone in his neck. Yeah,
the last update we got towards the end of October
from Todd Bowles. So yeah, he became a big part
of what they were doing in the second half of
the season, no question. Yeah, helping a lot of those
fantasy owners that we talk about without question.

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
And he's so we'll see. I mean, obviously he's not
playing today, so I'm wondering. I hope he doesn't miss
the whole season.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
No, it'd be it'd be a huge boom for them
for the final couple weeks of the year. I mean,
if you can get any of these guys back. Obviously,
Evans with the collarbone not walking through that door anytime soon. Either.
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(01:04:43):
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hundred win over the Indiana Pacers.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
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Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
We appreciate him joining us and being part of what
we're doing here this morning, Greg, we get back into
the matchups. Monday Night football gives us an absolute gem
forty five and a half the total. Packers two and
a half point favorites. Philadelphia had a two game winning
streak ahead of their by Jalen hurt seventy percent completion rate,

(01:05:51):
fifteen to one touchdown to interception ratio. But he's being
carried all the way through, don't you know he can't
play on Barkley.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
I have a giant question mark.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
I just wrote down second half dot dot dot question
mark because we had in week eight his first one
hundred yard game of the season.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah, that was a game where they played what essentially
was Eagles football from a year ago when they got
to the Super Bowl and won it. Because last year
Jalen Hurts had eight or nine games where he did
not throw for two hundred yards I thought that the
way they played against the Giants is probably the way
they want to play. You know, keep in mind a
year ago Saquon Barkley in the second half of games

(01:06:34):
last year rushed for almost thirteen hundred yards just in
the second half in twenty twenty four, So they were
a team. They were a running football team as their foundation.
Jalen Hurts normally does not throw, is not asked to
drop back more than thirty times a game. He never
turns the ball over. He plays very smart football. They
really post problems for teams when it's let's say third

(01:06:57):
and five to nine, because they're not automatically a passing
team on third down and five to nine yards, Mike,
because if they're getting near midfield or pass midfield into
plus territory, they'll run the ball because if they get
to fourth and three, fourth and two, they're going for it.
So now, as a defense, you have to decide how
you want to play them on let's say third and seven.

(01:07:19):
It's not an automatic passing down when you play the
Eagles on third and seven, especially, as I said, as
they get to the fifty and into plus territory. So
their offense is in some ways, it's very difficult to defend.
Even though they are not a pure passing offense.

Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
The curiosity today green Bay allowing the fifth fewest rushing
yards per game aage day.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
They're a good defense. Yeah, there are very good defense.
I think they are top five in the league overall.
They're good in the run game, they're good in the
pass game. They're very fast at the linebacker position. With
Azure and Cooper and Koy Walker. I think one area
that you can attack. And I'll be very anxious to
see what the Eagles do now that aj Brown is
back is I think you can work against their outside

(01:08:03):
corners Nixon and Carrington Valentine. And I'll be curious to
see if early in the game if the Eagles choose
to take some shots outside with Brown and DeVante Smith,
because i think that's a matchup that favors the Eagles.
And there's no question that Jalen Hurts is an outstanding
thrower to the football vertically outside the numbers, that's probably

(01:08:23):
his greatest strength.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Now we look out the offensive side for Green Bay,
Jordan Love completing seventy one percent of his attempts eight
point three yards per attempt doesn't have the gaudy touchdown total,
but that's what's gonna happen when Josh Jacobs is already
at double digit touchdowns halfway through the season, averaging just
three point eight yards per carry thus far, though, Greg
for that offense.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
That run game hasn't been I think exactly what they
want it to be, because we both know, as I'm
sure fans do, that Matt Lafleur would like the run
game to be a strong foundation, and it just hasn't
been as consistent and as foundational as they'd like it
to be. Last week's game, the loss to the Panthers,
was a very odd game, Mike. They had eight possessions,

(01:09:06):
they did not punt, and yet they only scored thirteen points.
They were one for five in the red zone. That
was the killer, and prior to last week they've been
outstanding in the red zone, so that was kind of
an aberration. But Love could be missing a number of receivers.
You know, he's played very well this year. He's much
more controlled, he's much more calculated. I guess Matthew Golden

(01:09:28):
and obviously we don't know this game. Tomorrow night is
going to give it a whirl. I guess he's questionable
as we speak today, but they'll be missing some other receivers.
And we know Tucker Kraft, who's a major factor not
only in the field but in the red zone. We
know he's done for the season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Yeah, it's a huge loss given what he's become as
a game breaker all right now, just a red zone guy.
He became a big play threat for them, and right
as you're getting Christian Watson back, the thought was, well,
now you've got him, safety's got a clear out and
maybe some bigger plays for Craft.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
And now that gets lost.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
Well, it'll be interesting because Luke Musgrave was considered a
better prospect coming out of college than Craft. Now, obviously
Craft has turned into a very good player, but Musgrave
is faster vertically than Craft. He's a three level threat.
And now he's going to get the opportunity to be
the number one tight end. And he was considered and
I evaluated him coming out of college. He missed time

(01:10:26):
his last year at Oregon due to injury, but I
went back and looked at him the year before when
he came out. He's got a lot of juice to him.
It'll be very interesting to see how he's deployed now
in the context of their offense.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Well, we certainly put him up there as one of
those go get him and let's see how he gets utilized.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
In the Fantasy Realm, the I Watch Reflex podcast for
those that are looking for a little more fantasy juice.
On week ten, Dan bayer Ian, Roddy and I getting
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Muskrav one of the curiosities at a position that has

(01:11:05):
been a bit topsy turvy for fantasy owners. So if
you're still using the tight end position, Craft's loss was
actually pretty monumental given what he'd been So we'll see
if Musgrave can fill the role. Now you mentioned Carolina,
we have one minute before I have to tell the
folks to go buy products and goods. So let's talk
about Carolina because they are a plus five hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Team right now.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
I know it's crazy, right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:28):
With Bryce Young averaging one hundred and seventy four passing
yards per game, Ted McMillan the only receiver with more
than two hundred receiving yards, but a lot of Rico
Dowdel these last several weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:11:40):
Yeah, and Downald's a really interesting guy because he was undrafted.
He did not have a great career at South Carolina.
But I have to tell you when you watch him
on tape, he is a strong inside runner, Mike. I
mean he's he's got natural power. He gets hard yards,
and that's so critical for their offense because they're not
a big play passing team because Young has limitations in

(01:12:01):
the pocket as a passer, so they have to stay
Every team wants to do this, of course, but some
teams it's more important than others. They have to stay
ahead of the chains. And Doubtell is that kind of back.
And he's also showed kind of surprising lateral quickness to
make sharp cuts in confined space. And their run game
concepts have kind of expanded. It'll be interesting to see

(01:12:23):
how they do, you know, because right now, I mean
they're in the playoff hunt.

Speaker 1 (01:12:28):
How about that absolute chaos thousand yard rusher last year
for Dallas. Yeah, now doing it all for Carolina one
of the more interesting teams watching. Obviously, we're not going
to do a lot with it. Tyler Schuck on the
other side, start number two breeze out here, so we
won't do the big Saints. Yeah, we don't need the
say that for another time. We still have a couple
more big games on the slate. As we continue, It's

(01:12:50):
Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. The game is underway
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there as the day progresses. But as we continue, we've
got Arizona in Seattle. We mentioned Arizona a little bit
earlier with the Kyler Murray spot. Jacoby Brissett. What does
he bring to the table in a big battle with

(01:13:11):
Sam Darnold. We'll do that next. As we continue on Fox.
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The Colts dancing after a big turnover. Pennix hit Paul
Loose returned earlier. They'd been turned away on a fourth

(01:13:32):
down call by the Atlanta defense nine minutes remaining just
outside the red zone. The Colts will start once again.
Mike Harmon, Greg Cosel, thanks for being with us here.
It's Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio. We we've gone
through a number of the big games. We've got a
couple that are maybe interesting on one side. Left to

(01:13:52):
go except for well one curiosity. The Seattle Seahawks Arizona
Cardinal Seattle brings in another receiver, they go get Rashid
Shahied Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
From New Orleans.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
Last report was that Cooper Cup should be available as well.
He's had moments sporadic as they were. It's a lot
of JSN in a run game that can't seem to
get on track. But Sam Darnald thus far seventy percent
completion greg sixteen versus five touchdown to interception. But the
number that always stands out that nine point six yards

(01:14:25):
per attempt.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, and there over the last month or so, you've
really seen them, I think, work toward what Clint Kubiak,
the first year offensive coordinator, wants them to be. He
was brought in the play action run game with under center,
which by the way, Donald has thrown for the most
passing yards and play action under center, and actually that's
fifteen point seven yards per attempt under center, play action

(01:14:49):
and now you ad Shaheed into that mix. But what
will be interesting and maybe it's an embarrassment of riches,
but it's still something you have to figure out. They've
played a lot with multiple tight end in sets. This year. Okay,
that's one thing that's been foundational. But now that they
have Shaheed Cup getting back healthy, Jsn arguably being the
best receiver in the league this year in terms of production.

(01:15:11):
So how will Klint Kubiak sort of balance that playing
multiple tight ends, playing with three wide receivers. You know,
it sounds like, oh, it's easy to do, but you know,
as you probably know, Mike, that's not that easy to
do when you're trying to figure that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
Out well, trying to feed everybody but still trying to
get the run game going exactly. Seems every once in
a while you get a couple of big plays from
Kenneth Walker the third and then he's back on the
sideline and Zach charbonay for fantasy purposes, vulturing touchdowns or whatever.
But every once in a while there just seems to
be a little bit of momentum where you're starting to
get that push the whole, you know kind of thing

(01:15:45):
where Darnold's getting that support and just like that it
goes away.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Yeah, and the rookie tight end, Elijah Royo is starting
to become a factor. He's got vertical ability. We saw
in their last game the touchdown he caught on a
vertical seam route. There's a lot there and Darnold is
he will push the ball down the field. That's what
he did in Minnesota last year. That's one reason they
wanted him in Seattle with Clint Kubiak, that play action

(01:16:10):
pass game. He pushes the ball down the field.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yeah, Shaheed reunited with Kubiak as well. How about the
other side of the ball. We talked about it briefly
in our one with the Kyler Murray situation. Now the
foot and try to read between what's real what's imagined
in terms of injury reports and everything else. But Jacoby
Brissett is your own questioned starter right now, completely about

(01:16:33):
two thirds of his passes, six touchdowns against an interception,
and one thing and maybe cajoled by the elder version
of it, Marvin Harrison, who says nothing, said, Hey, I
don't know what this offense is doing. And then his
son goes out and has his best game of the
year seven catches, ninety six yards in a score against Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:16:53):
Look, i think I've watched every Kyler Murray game. You know,
I watched him coming out. I think I've watched every
game in the league. Murray, and a lot of people
just throw the word inconsistent out and that's an easy
word to throw out, and it certainly fits. But the
thing with Murray, because he's so erratic in the pocket,
you just don't know what you're going to get on
a week to week basis, and there's nothing worse for

(01:17:14):
an offense. Now, Jacoby Brissett, certainly he's not good enough
to be a starter, you know, or he would have
been for teams in his career. I think he's done
that once or twice. But obviously he's a very good backup.
But at least he has a better understanding of the
timing and rhythm of the pass game, and you have
a better sense, not a perfect sense, but a better

(01:17:37):
sense of what you're going to get. And now when
you call plays with your pass game that he's going
to execute those at a higher level of consistency than
Kyler Murray. You know, when you look back with Murray,
and not every game, but most of his good games
come about because of the outside of structure plays and
I can think of many of them over the last

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number of years, Mike, But you just you can't live
like that, You can't play like that as an offense
and count on that on a week to week basis.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Well, and especially you look at it going forward, it
becomes an even bigger question now that you've got another
foot injury to talk about what's made him special and
even if it took it off, you know, schedule in
terms of trying to do lay calling and guys have
to do a little more freelancing and keeping plays alive
and everything else. What made him special was that extra

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turbo mode, which now it becomes a question see addle
only nine sacks on the year for all of what
they've been able to do at times defensively here, so
to be curious to watch how they approach and whether
Brissett's able to work again.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
Has a very good defense. I mean this is it's
a really intriguing defense to watch, and Mike McDonald does
a lot of good things and m and Wari has
become the rookie safety has become a really big factor
for them. He plays almost every snap. But their defense
is getting better and better Byron Murphy has really come
on in his second year.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
No, it's a good squad eighteen point eight points allowed
per game, getting it done more. Sam Donald later on
a couple last games here to choose your own adventure,
Detroit Washington or Buffalo Miami. If we said enough about
Miami the last couple.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
Of weeks, Well, you know, Buffalo is a very interesting
team to me because obviously they played very well last week.
They're running football team, and they have creative ways to
get to base runs. They ran a counter run that there.
It's very creative and it's been very good for them
in the last couple of weeks. You know, with Josh Allen,
it's crazy, they're not really a passing football team right now,
but obviously they they'll count on that if they need

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it in their minds. That's a division game. I know
Miami's been bad, but these division games always are a
little worrisome, you know, you just never know.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Yeah, I've seen a little more of Waddall eighty two
or more, receiving yards four of his last five for
Josh Allen, a career best at eight point two yards
per attempt, but just thirteen touchdowns four picks. He's been
sacked seventeen times, that's three.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
More than last year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah, but he scores a lot of touchdowns when they
get low. He scores by running the football, So you know,
we'll see.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
No question about that one's it's got his fascinating point.
Jacksonville and Houston, the Davis Mills experience, and we talked
about Jacoby Myers. He wanted to get away from the Raiders.
Guess what he gets to slide into the number one
slot for the Jacksonville receiving core. Yeah, based on injuries,
So curiosity there. And then we get Detroit and Washington.

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That last game. We talked a lot about Jamiir Gibbs
last hour, more Mario than that one, so we'll see
who's Deebo and ERTs the only two receivers with more
than fifteen receptions greg. It was a quick, fast, great
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