Mike Harmon & Greg Cosell preview Week 2 NFL Matchups, Analyze Coaching Impact & Takeaways from Week 1, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. AH, welcome in another
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(00:22):
you being part of the extended family as we get
ready for another fantastic slate of games. Week one gave
us all sorts of fun and surprises depending on the city,
the temperature already getting pretty toasty for some coaches, some
quarterbacks some others, and feeling of the love at least,
even if it's short lived. Week one gave them a

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little bit of grace. All of that coming off of
a huge night in college football, some upsets, some chaos,
some quarterbacks there as well. You're hurting the update from
Steve de Seger lagway with five interceptions, LSU, you got
Brian Kelly fighting with reporters.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
We won the game.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
What are you from us? Because that's the end of
the end line to all of it, isn't it, Greg
cosel you play to win the game? He channeled HERM
Edwards a bunch of times, and I think you really
wanted to take the guy out in the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Actually was I was focused on. I don't even know
if you realized you made a little pun there, Mike
when you said some quarterbacks feeling the love. I kind
of like that. I don't even think you realized you
said that.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, you know, and sometimes we just slide those in
and consciousness the coffee. Coffee's starting to work.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
We found a place here that will take care of
Gus at four am, so the gate and there you
got a little herm Edwards going back in the day.
But yeah, Jordan love a guy right now. That coming
off of last season, Greg, remember he got hurt in
Week one in Brazile. So it was always the question of, well,
what bar like if we were doing a video game,

(01:50):
what was this strength bar over the course of the year,
and how much did they have to course correct? And
now you bring in Micah Parsons for that defense, which
was already a top ten year, and you got what
we saw on Thursday Night Football in a pretty resounding
victory over the Commanders.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
You know, it's so funny because the more tape I watch,
and it's always, look, everybody wants my you know, really
good players. We know that if you have really great players,
that's great. But the more I watch, and maybe this
is just my background being taught by coaches, great coaches
over the years, I've been doing this, you know, for
a year or two. This isn't my first rodeo. As
you know, I just see so much well done with coaching.

(02:30):
Like when I watch the Packers, and I watched that,
I already watched the coaching tape of that game. And
on both sides of the ball, I thought, on offense,
Lafleur did some great things. I thought on defense, Jeff Hafley,
And for two weeks now they are doing some terrific
things on the defensive side of the ball. Now, obviously
having Micah Parsons certainly helps because defenses have to account

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for him. You know, we can get into this a
little bit in a little more detail, but they do
great things on both sides of the ball, and it,
you know, to me, coaching plays such a big part
in this.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
You know, Greg Greg Cosell, the NFL films, the NFL
Matchup Show, Uh, you follow all of it at Greg
co Sell on Twitter. Some of the great tape breakdown
He joins Colin Coward each and every week on FS
one here on Fox Sports Radio with some of the
breakdown of the tape and and as we go through
it and watching that game play out on Thursday, and

(03:23):
just think about it on a large scale, Greg, we're
also blessed Jason Smith and I in the evenings. One
of the relationships we forged through the years with Jay Glazer,
and as you know, he's close with a lot of
coaches tour, right, And and so Jay was giving us
a little bit of the pull back the curtain on
this whole trade process as it came to fruition with

(03:46):
the packers. You know, Happily given this gift and and
he said, you know, Dan Quinn Uh was being asked
by by Happily and the staff of hey, you know what,
how do you get through to to micah Uh And
just like, well, just be honest with him, and and
you know some of the it does it sounds kind
of basic, but like, well, all of those things, you know,

(04:07):
you probably could have waited until Friday, Uh to give
Halfley any of those tips. Let him see if he
has some communication issues for another day or two instead
of getting here. And also the Packers changing out Mark
Murphy had to retire, so business wise, maybe you're looking
at things a little differently with ed policy to go
and pull the trigger. But you know you already had

(04:27):
a great unit on that side of the ball. But
offensively now it's it's time to figure out for Lafloor
pulling the strings and watching Love. I mean just from
the first snap, he just seemed really comfortable. Let's let's
hear one of the big plays that separated this game, Greg.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Jacobs to the right side of Love and the shotgun
slot and left and faking the handoff.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
Love rolls like those.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Touch down.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
Ton of beautiful playfact by Jordan Love Tucker Craft a
yard touchdown reception the.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Great Wayne Larevie on the Packers radio network. Folks forget
he was a Bears announcer and then once.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, Wayne's been doing it for a while.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Yeah, no, one of those unmistakable voices there, but Tucker
Craft for a while, we were tracking it as the
game developed. He had as many yards as the Washington
offense for a good chunk of that game.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because I
was talking to the guys. You know that worked with
me on the Matchup show, and I was saying that,
you know, Tucker Craft is probably one of the three
or four best tight ends in the league, and he's
not really talked about that way, but he is. He's
a very athletic player. But you know, it's funny you
showed the touchdown. You probably remember the fifty seven yard
completion that came i think on their second possession, you know,

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and that's a great example of what I'm talking about
with coaching, because on the play before that, okay, they
lined up with three tight ends on the field, okay,
what we call thirteen personnel, one back in three tight ends,
and they saw how the commanders matched up in terms
of personnel. So on the very next play, they stayed
with that thirteen personnel, three tight ends, so they knew

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what they were going to get. And that was the
play in which Craft ran down the scene basically the
vertical scene for fifty seven yards because they saw what
the commanders were giving them from a personnel standpoint, and
they knew with the route combination that they called Mike
that they would get the linebacker Bobby Wagner, a great player,

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probably a Hall of Famer, but he was the one
that had to carry and run with Craft down the scene.
And you know that's a mismatch. So that's the kind
of thing I'm talking about with just understanding and coaching.
Lafleur did a great job. They showed the thirteen personnel
the three tight ends. Then the very next play they
know how the commanders were going to play it, and
they and love hits Craft for fifty seven yards. And

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if you're a call Craft is wide open. You probably
could have made that throw.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Mike, I don't know, I might have one or two
left in me, Greg, I've been putting off shoulder surgery
for a while. All those those years of tossing the
kids up and around in a pool or aren't all
those things they come back on you?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Believe me, I understand that. I'm I'm with you on them. Now.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
I'm like doing that shot put thing that we see.
Maybe do a little bit of the old uh Doug
Flutey jump passes or something like that as we go.
But yeah, for Bobby Wagner, I mean, long celebrated career,
that is not the island you want him on. No,
And defensively for folks you know unaware, I mean this
is this is a guy we're talking almost thirty six
years old, highly decorated to remember him from his time

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in Seattle, but and he made a couple of big
plays over the course of the game. Just I don't
want that guy drifted in coverage, you.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Know, and it just yeah, they caught him, they got him,
and you know, one of the things the Packers do.
You're seeing more and more of this in the league.
But the Packers have certainly been in the forefront because
of Lafleur obviously coming from you know, the Shanahan background.
They use a ton of pre snap movement and that's
something that you know that coaching Tree believes in a
lot of pre snap movement and it really helps a

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quarterback because the defense either has to react or if
they don't react, that tells you something as well. So
you know, you learn a lot when you move your
offense and you either see the defense adjust by moving
people or if they stay static, like I said, that
tells you something as well. So you know, in this
given game, they almost eighty percent of their offensive snaps
had movement either a shift or emotion before the snap

(08:22):
of the ball. So you know, the Packers there there
are good offense, Loves really gifted. I mean, you know
a lot of people are probably saying, oh, you know,
I'm not sure what he is. Well, he's a really
gifted quarterback in terms of pure physical traits. And believe me,
that's not everything. It's it's some of it and you
like it, but it's not everything. But as far as
pure physical traits, he'd be top six or seven in

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the league.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Yeah, And add the coaching side of things and what's
between the ears being able to be brought along as
he did. It's one of the few wins I get
to claim with great regularity here at Fox Sports Radio one.
I used to fight with people that Josh Allen was
going to be good to great interesting as opposed to
he's going to be a running back and wash out
of the league. So I'm going to spike on that.

(09:05):
But also I argued from draft day on that the
Packers did the right thing and bringing in Jordan Love
when they did, because how many lack of succession plans
did we see around the NFL for all of the
older quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
And you know it's funny you say that, look at
the Falcons. We'll get to them and what they did
and how they were vilified when they drafted Michael Pennix.
And now look how that played out. But anyway, the
point is I remember watching Love his next to last
season in college at Utah State. I don't know if
you remember that season. He was really, really good and
I actually broke him down and evaluated him that summer
after his next to last season, and I said in

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my transition notes that if he continues to develop, he
could be a top ten pick in a draft. Well, obviously,
his next season, his final season, there was a total
coaching change. You could tell watching the tape. He was
just not a comfortable player at all that last season
in Utah State. And obviously he fell in the draft
and the Packers would they take something like twenty fourth

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twenty fifth. But the talent was always there. The issue
was not the talent. People were concerned that maybe he
didn't see the field really well because he threw a
bunch of picks that last year. But he's really developed well.
And you know, it's funny you mentioned the mental development.
He made a bunch of throws in this game that
would never see a highlight, where the what he wanted

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was covered down the field because he throws the ball down.
I mean, he's an aggressive thrower, but he wanted the
ball down the field and it got taken away. And
maybe last year or the year before he might have
thrown it, but this time he went to the checkdown.
And you know, those are plays that don't show up,
but they mean an awful lot well.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
And he had a couple of big opportunities, and those
are the ones you know, the say, wow, this could
have gotten worse in a hurt. The two balls to
Golden the only two targets he had in the game.
But the fact that that stretch is there as they
try to figure out who that number one guy may
be and maybe Tucker Craft. When it's all said done,
they lose Jaden Reid with the shoulder injury on a
touchdown like that was a beautiful play, call, design and catch.

(11:02):
It gets called back because of a penalty, but it
showed you right away that they were starting to pull
the strings on that offense, right you know.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
And it's funny you say that because one of the
notes I made watching that tape, because I take really
detailed notes, I mean every week, Mike. Just so people understand,
I probably have thirty six pages of type notes on
every game that I watch, not not thirty six on
each game, but total. You know, I try to get
through as many games as I can. Obviously I'm only
one person, so I can't get through every single game,
but I typed out watching the Packers' offense. What stood

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out was the Packers who were aggressive taking vertical shots.
When Love got the right coverage either Man or z Own,
he went over the top. And you know, that's what
you like to see because that changes the way defenses
have to play. If they know you're going to go
over the top, then they have to be aware of
that because the last thing defensive coordinators, you know, you
know this from probably talking to Summit, just watching the league,

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the last thing that they want to give up are
explosive pass place. You know, that's the thing you know Offensively,
here coaches talk about explosives. Defensively, here coaches say we
got to take away explosives. So if you if you
stretch the field, you force defenses to play a little differently.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
And then you got a guy and Josh Jacobs that
you're able to go tuck the ball in his gut
twenty three times keeps that touchdown streak alive. I mean,
so for Matt Lafleora, I mean, we watch the betting
market certainly react. We're now talking co favorites or perhaps
even a little shorter odds on the Packers than what
we have with the Eagles at this junker we juncture.

(12:29):
We got plenty to talk about with the Eels and
and chiefs. Little later, Hey, people, people react right.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
The way it goes. Hey, we live, We live minute
by minute, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Like what we see and it was the day training, like, wait,
can I get in a these Packers well, because I
mean you look what they did to to Detroit in
weekwew and we got plenty more on Jared Goff to
get to. But then you do this to Washington, And
let's go to the Washington side of the coin for
a minute for Jadeen Daniels and and all the expectations.
Year two in the league, coming off a fantastic run,

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some narrow escape the tip drill with the Bears and
everything else, but you lose Austin Eckler. So there goes
one of your safety valves called Jacory krossky Merritt. We're
calling him Bill now and you traded away Brian Robinson.
So the fact that you don't have a serviceable run game.
It looks like after two weeks smoking mirrors. They got

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through Week one against the Giants, Week two, the Packers
terrorize him. I'm a little afraid for what this offense
is turning into unless they can go find on every
down running back. That's a great point balance.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
You know, at some point you do have to run
the ball. Now you don't need your back to gain
sixteen or seventeen hundred yards, but you have to have
some kind of sustaining, meaningful run game. But I will
say this, and we saw this with the Packers for
two weeks in a row, and it really had an
impact as well on Jane Daniels and the Commander's offense.
What Jeff Haflee is doing, and this is where I
come back to the coaching. What he's done the first

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two weeks with what we call changing the picture from
pre snap to post snap. And I'm not talking about
Mike just moving one guy. He's moving three, four guys
after the snap, and that totally changes the picture for
the quarterback. Goff had a problem with the Week one
and he's a veteran who's incredibly smart. Daniels still only

(14:17):
a second year player. You know, sometimes we see second
year players then have to go through a little bit
of a struggle. Look what happened to c. J. Stroud
a year ago. I know they made the playoffs and
they got through into the second round, but you know,
he was not quite as good as he was as
a rookie, just because you know, teams change things on
quarterbacks and they've got to figure it out as they're playing.

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And that'll be the case with Jane Daniels. I think
he's a really, really good player, but this was a
game where a number one their on line had some issues.
You know, we saw Connor Lee, the rookie right tackle
from Oregon. You know, this was kind of his welcome
to the NFL moment with a number of snaps against
Mike ah Park.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
He gets terrorized me at one point he tried to
tackle him.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah, it would probably be anybody's welcome to the NFL
moment against Michael Parsons. But overall, the old line did
not play really well. And it's just you know, if
you're going to ask your quarterback, you know, it's funny
we just jump around here. Every anything that just pops into.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
My head, that's what we're doing here. Everybody build a
roadmap with us.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, the Bills are in some way the same they
went to, you know, a very balanced offense a year ago.
We know Josh Allen is great, but you know, at
some point you have to have a run game that
that means something. And it'll be interesting to see how
the Commanders try to kind of patch that together with
the backs that they have, because clearly they traded Robinson
believing that the backs that they had an ecular I'm

(15:38):
sure factored into that. And now he's done for the year.
So you're gonna have to have some kind of your
Your offense can't be the quarterback as a as a
as the run game. It has to be you have
to have some kind of conventional traditional run game, uh,
in order for your offense to work on a week
to week basis.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Always try to use the old Arnold Schwarzenegger line from
Pumping Iron. Always work for balance and definition. That's what
we're trying to do here. Zach Ertz is always good
to see the older guys do well. Yeah, because I
don't feel so old, Greg. So the fact that the
two tight ends are your leading receivers. I spike the ball.
I will ask you this though, and obviously you know
it's something you and I talked about as we got

(16:15):
things started last week. Right, we don't know what the
game plan is and all of those. I was surprised though,
that Washington didn't get Deebo Samuel involved earlier.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Well, it's funny you say that, because you know the
great thing about watching tape is you can see the
route concepts, and you can see who's available and who's not.
And I would say watching the tape and in this
given game again, you know, you probably know me now
that I don't talk about what's going to happen today
or next week or three weeks down the road. All
I can tell you that in this game, Daniels did

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not play with the needed patients and clarity from the pocket.
Too often in clean pockets. He did not work through progressions.
He left some throws on the field. So there were
times I was certain that he was going to throw
it to McLaurin, and McLaurin was open based on the route,
and he looked in that direction and he just didn't
throw it, you know, So it's easy to say, you know, oh,

(17:06):
get Samuel involved with the mccourn involved sometimes the quarterback
for whatever reason. And I remember Ron Jaworski, who I
worked with for years and years, telling me that sometimes
you drop back and it just doesn't register. You just
don't see it. And I thought in this game, Daniels
did not really see it as well as we expect
we normally expect from him.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Yeah. The one thing, and this is us, you know,
trying to throw darts at aboard as we're looking at
it in histories and certainly how guys have been utilized.
I would have taken the over on Deebo having at
least one rushing attempt, but they didn't pull that out
of the bag.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
At least now we do. So they may have to
go that route a little more, like you said, because
they don't really we don't know what the running back
situation is.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
Yeah, I certainly don't anticipate that they take the page
out of what the forty nine ers did, because that
usually ended up with Debo on with the big regular
with durance. Yes, exactly, we don't want to go down
that road, but at some point you got to try
to pull the strings a little bit to back that
defense off, because happily had them coming fast and furiously.

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Speaker 1 (20:04):
Welcome back in Fox Football Sunday, Fox Sports Radio, Mike Carbon,
Greg CoA sell with you. Thanks for being along for
the ride as we get you ready for Week two
of the National Football League Season. One game already in
the books, that big Packer win that has people going
out and buying multiple cheeseheads for friends and family. And
I started getting random ads for cheese curds in all

(20:25):
of my socials. Greg, So I think the walls have
ears one.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Where what does a cheese curd? Mike, what is a
cheese curd?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Well, it's it's part of the cheese making process where
it's in a little more of a raw form and
then you usually fire it over some fries with some gravy,
make a nice routine.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, I don't know. Maybe it's me on the East
coast that doesn't sound And I like cheese a lot,
but that just doesn't sound great to me.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
A little bit of the pull apart, like it's it's
got a little bit of a different texture and look
to it for sure. But I'll tell you what, they're delicious.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Maybe it's a Midwest thing, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I believe absolutely that is. I could have ordered a
bunch from from the great state of Wisconsin. There's no
question there, you got it. Let's see here's how it's uh.
It's defined the fresh, unaged, and unpressed pieces of cheese
separated from the way during the cheese making process. Most
famously that schaeddar.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
That is way beyond my simple mind. Cheese.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, for me, it's all does it taste good? How
much can I eat? And what does it work best with?

Speaker 2 (21:34):
Yeah, there's very few foods I don't like, but I
don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I tell you, you fire and fire it with some of
the gravy. It's especially over there in Canada.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
There you go. Well, I didn't live in Detroit my
first year out of college. Outside of Detroit. Yeah, that
was about one hundred years ago.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
Well, but you know what the change. Maybe I'll order
some and send some your way and see what I
did there.

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obliquely brought it in in the first segment. Greg, Now,
we'll have to rip the band aid off for the
people in Detroit. John Morton not to be confused with

(22:39):
former USC wide receiver Johnny Morton and the Detroit Lions
and the post Ben Johnson era, a little bit of
growing pains and trying to figure out, you know, how
to make that work with all of the requisite heroes
that would be for your fantasy teams and for an
offense with Jared Goff to where whenever we he can

(23:00):
start piling up stats of with this guy and this
guy not as his play caller. The record is now.
I think it's three eighteen and one for Jared Goff
with no Ben Johnson, and I think Sean McVay is
the other guy on the list. Two heavyweights, no question
about it. But going back on the tape from there
that week one game, what'd you see from golf?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yeah, and that gets back to the Packers in many ways,
that was not a good game, a good defense to
play against and for a first game for a new
offensive coordinator because there was so much post snap movement
and you know Goff. You know, it's funny you mentioned
that about Goff with McVeigh and Ben Johnson. That's the
case with pretty much all quarterbacks. They all need the

(23:43):
offensive pass game approach to define things for them. I mean,
Goff is a really good pocket quarterback, that's what he is.
He's not a playmaker. He's not going to run around
and make plays. The play action pass game has been
the foundation of the allions on Under Ben Johnson, they
didn't do as much of that.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And that one thing that really stood out, and it
was they didn't throw the ball between the numbers and
GoF is probably the best quarterback in the league over
the last number of years and making those timing rhythm
throws at the intermediate levels between the numbers. Uh, and
that just wasn't really part of their offense. Now. I
don't know whether that was GoF just not getting a
clear picture. I don't know if they didn't feel they

(24:26):
could call that against the defense they were playing. Normally,
that's not a factor at all, but it was. It
was an uncomfortable game for the entire offense. And don't
forget they were a really good running team too, and
they did not run the ball very well. So you know,
GoF is an executor and a ball distributor, Mike. He's
not a guy that, hey, just put the ball in

(24:48):
Jared Gof's hands and he's going to just make plays
whatever that means. I love when people say that, Yeah, yeah,
but I mean he's a he's an executor and a
ball distributor, and he needs the pass game and the
concepts to present it to him, and when they do,
he's really really good.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Well, we look at the overall numbers thirty one and
thirty nine two hundred and twenty five yards. That translates
to fewer than five point eight yards per pass attempt.
And one of the notes that we got to go
through in terms of trying to find explosives, right, that
stands in start contrast to what we saw from Jordan
Love on Thursday night, where he was averaging better than

(25:25):
ten yards of completion all that long.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, and then that's because they could not get the ball,
you know, at that intermediate level, they could not get vertical.
I mean they just it was, like I said, it
just was an uncomfortable passing game for them. You know,
thirty one completions for two hundred and twenty five yards
is usually not going to get it done, not in
this league. You know, there were really no big plays,
and like I said, they couldn't run the ball very well,

(25:49):
So it was just it was just one of those
performances that you know, I'm not one who takes Week
one and decides that's the way the season is going
to go. You know, I guess they're home this week,
right for Chicago, that that game's at home.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
You got it nearly a touchdown favorite in this one,
six and a half, forty six and a half, So
expecting some fireworks here.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
We'll get a better sense. We'll get a better sense
of golf this week and that offense. You know, and again,
like I said, people need to understand. And I really
like Jared Goff as a player. I think he's actually
had a really good career. He's a certain kind of player,
but he's very good at that. So but I think
with him, the coaching and the concepts matter a lot,
and if they're good and he sees it the right way,

(26:30):
he's really really good.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
So we've now got him going up against Dennis Allen
and the Bears defense look yes, pretty strong for a
good three quarters, and now we have to well, I've
got to take my medicine this morning, because certainly a
lot of it on air Monday night alongside Jason Smith
as we watched the second half unfold JJ McCarthy making plays.
But let's talk about the Bears offense. Ben Johnson already

(26:56):
he and reporters not exactly getting along at the end
of the week because they tried to revisit and add
some more storylines heading into this game against Detroit. Basically
got to the matter of fact. Greg of hey, that
was last week, okay, asking questions about clock management and
things of that nature, No question about it. But I
heard you bring up a term with Colin, and I

(27:18):
wanted to bring it here audience, always changing teachable moments
for all of us as we look and take from
your years at NFL Films and all you've gleaned the
idea of check down versus turned down. And Caleb Williams,
something we go back to last year, the interceptionless streak

(27:38):
that everybody heralded to me, that was you weren't taking
any shots downfield, and you were probably not not taking
advantage of what might have been there, thinking the window
was either smaller or pressing to make a play. Did
we see that on Monday night?

Speaker 2 (27:51):
All? I think it gets into a point that I've
always believed in that you can't measure and therefore there's
no metric for it. But it's something that from years
and years of tape study and being you know, and
learning from you know, really smart guys at the quarterback position,
is the concept of what does a quarterback see as

(28:12):
viable throws? Okay, and I'm going to make a comparison here.
I watched Caleb Williams and then I watched Michael Pennix.
It just happened that I watched them back to back.
It was just one of those things this week. And
Michael Pennix sees throws that are sort of tighter window
throws as viable throws. He turns the ball loose. So,

(28:32):
in other words, if you were sitting with me watching tape,
Mike and I stopped the tape just before Michael Pennix
would to start his delivery, and I'd say who's he
throwing to? You'd probably say, gee, I'm not really sure,
it doesn't really look like anybody's really that opens. Sure, okay,
but he sees it as a viable throw because there's
an innate feel for the anticipation and timing. Caleb Williams

(28:57):
is not at that point in his development. He's not
at that point where he sees throws as viable throws.
We just finished talking about Goff, about the fact that
he was such a great anticipation throw in the middle
of the field, which is the Ben Jonson offense to
a large extent. And I would show you when GoF
would start his delivery where receivers were. They didn't even

(29:18):
start their breaks yet. Williams is not at that point
in his development. Now. Like I said, I'm not going
to sit here and say that's never going to happen.
I would never say that. I don't know what's going
to happen, you know, today, next week, six weeks. But
that's not where he is right now. So he doesn't
see a lot of throws as viable throws just yet.
And you know, therefore he just doesn't play with the

(29:39):
clarity that's needed right at this moment. Now, can he
learn that, I don't know the answer to that none
of us really know the answer to that. But there's
a couple of other things he needs to to kind
of learn too. He's got a strong tendency to climb
the pocket for no reason. And you know what happens
when you climb the pocket for no reason. You create
your own pressure because you're just getting closer to the bodies,

(30:02):
and then you end up throwing under pressure when there's
no need to throw under pressure. So there's things he's
got to work through. And like I said, we're not
I'm not here to say, oh this guy, you know,
believe me. I go to the gym and there's a
big Bears fan there and he always he's already, you know,
ready to pack it in. You know how that goes
with fans. And he's like, oh my god. You know,

(30:23):
so I said, let's let's wait and see. We don't
know the answer yet. You know, this is essentially Williams
rookie year all over again.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Well that's the hard part for folks. I mean, go
back to Jared Golf. Look what he came into the
league two.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
That first year, that's right, was the mess correct, because
they didn't really have a true offensive coordinator and no
knock on Jeff Fisher, who was a great head coach,
but you know, they didn't really have a great coordinator
and it just it didn't work out. And then and
McVeigh came in, and then look what happened.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
And now you look at Caleb Williams. It's year or
two and I you look, we try to preach patients,
but you know, at least I do, I mean, hot
take nonsense price very well well, but I'm a pragmatist
in this, knowing that this is a position that is
the most important and hardest that we've gotten sports except
maybe a goalie in a Stanley Cup Vinyal situation. But
you know, I don't know where the pads either way,

(31:13):
but just trying to go through the perspective of it,
the Lorning curve is just so huge.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
And fans are not patient, I mean, you know, no,
and that's the thing I mean, I imagine Clemson fans
right now aren't particularly patient either.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
But dab Dabbo all sorts of quotes from Dabbo coming
back on him in when they lose games like that.
As I know, you know, if you'd sign that guy
in the portal instead of saying, hey, we don't do that.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Stuff, right, but but yeah, so well, I mean it's look,
last week was one game. You know. It's funny. I
was going back and forth this week with Kurt Warner,
you know, and obviously he knows a little bit about quarterbacking,
and he didn't quite see it the same way I did.
He thought he played better than I thought. And that's okay.
I love those conversations because I want to learn too.
Maybe I'm missing something, but that's what I saw, and

(31:58):
and you know, it's going to take some time. It's
a difficult offense in the sense too that it's very wordy.
There's a lot of checks, there's a lot of alerts,
multiple plays are often called in the huddle, there are shifts,
there's motions. You got to get to the line of
scrimmage quickly. You know, you can't get to the line
of scrimmage with four seconds left on the play clock.
There's so much that Williams has to assimilate. And this

(32:21):
is some of this is even before the ball snap mic,
So it's this is going to take a little time.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Yeah. The question for me is also do they have
that running back situation settling?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Got his dire as what we're kind of looking at
in Washington in a couple places where there's a lot
of work to do, but with the running backs on
that roster, wondering if they're going to get the balance
that they need necessarily help bring them along.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's a great point because think of Detroit. You know,
it's easy to look at GoF who obviously last year
and under Ben Johnson's been very, very good. But you
know they've got big time right they have two big
time backs. I mean Montgomery, if he didn't miss three games,
probably would have gained a thousand yards last year and
they would have had two one thousand yard rushers. So
you know that that's overlooked because everybody thinks Ben Johnson passing.

(33:05):
But the run game is a big deal.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Well a lot of it predicated on run and play actions.
We talked about a little bit last week. You know,
heading into that week one game one, you're trying to
solve Brian Flores with a new offense. Yeah, but two
trying to get him to operate Caleb under center to
integrate the play action. And if you don't really have
the threat that you that the run game is viable,

(33:28):
I mean that just gets pushed out the window and
in the second half where it just just got decimated.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
An under center play action which almost no college quarterback,
with very very few exceptions, even knows the first thing
about that's a learned trait. I mean, just think about it.
You know, you don't have a lot of time anyway
when you're a quarterback dropping back, you know it happens fast.
But imagine turning your back to the defense if you've
never really done that. I mean, that's a learned trait

(33:57):
because that that you know, when you snap your head around,
the defense is not in the same position they were
before you you turned your head. So it's that takes
time as well.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well. We quote the great Billy Joel as we put
a cast in this conversation with it's just a simple
matter of trust.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
There you go all. I thought you were going to
maybe say that that's a good point in this point
of view you have right there.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
There we go. We got it. We got it, Greg,
This is cooking as we get going, at Greg co cell,
keep the information coming in as you're out there. You
got questions ideas you want to fire in and for
us to discuss. Please do at Swallowen Dome at Fox
Sports Radio. We're just getting started in our breakdown. Now
we're gonna go to an old dog new tricks. I'm

(34:40):
calling him the Brazos. You know, Steve Martin's character and
only murders in the building. Is it an encore actor?
Is it a mirage? We'll tell you next here it's
Fox Football Sunday and Fox Sports Radio. I don't feel
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Sports Sunday. Mike Harbon, Greg co Cell, Well with you.

(35:01):
We were actually talking about I haven't watched the Have
you seen the documentary that they put up for Billy
Joel's career.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, I have not seen it yet, and I want
to because he I've actually saw him in concert probably
twelve fifteen times, no kidding, Yeah, yeah, he was one
of my favorites. But no, I've not seen the documentary.
It's it's that time of year. I'm not going to
be watching a lot of TV.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, we'll just added to the list. We'll just add out.
I think we've now got something that we're charged with.
All the things that I ombliquely referenced because I watched
them at two in the morning, when I can't sleep
after a show. We'll get a list together and then
we'll present it to Greg at the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Well, it's funny. The first time I saw him, believe
it or not, was at the place called the bottom
Line in New York City. It's a small place. It
was right before the Stranger album, so he wasn't big yet,
and I was probably sitting fifteen feet from him, you know,
playing the piano, and like I said, at that point,
he you know, he hadn't hit it quite big yet.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Well that's pretty great, that's amazing. Like I saw him
last year here with staying down in San Diego. So
I'm fortunate that my daughter's blessed me by going and
seeing the stuff. Dad likesh.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, well yeah, I saw him a couple of years
ago with Stevie Nicks.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Oh wow, she's still on the bucket list. I haven't
gotten it, Brianta. And have you watched this thing yet? No,
not yet.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
My mom just told me about it recently and it's
in my queue, so I definitely need to see that.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
And then led Zeppelin documentary too is on my list right.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Well, I saw a led Zeppelin concert too.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
See, now I'm all Sad.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
Nineteen seventy five, and man, it's the Square Garden.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
You still have the ticket stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I do not. I do not, because if you have
any of.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Those, there's a burgeoning market and all this that, and.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Well that Zeppelin's probably my favorite band of all time.
So I did get a chance to see them live.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Well, there you go. That movie that Breanna referenced is
actually a uh I did see Fantastic One. Yeah, that
was through the first two albums, so it's it's early Zeppelin.
So we'll see if we can get the report.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
My parents didn't like led Zeppelin as much as I did.
You know, when I was played in the house, you know.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I was blessed. My dad had the most eclectic record
collection you could possibly have, so on days when he
was home, you'd go from Willie Nelson to Jeth Throw
Tall and Zeppelin back to Warren Zevon or Chris christoffersonthing like,
it just went all over the place, pulling.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well. Yeah, my parents were older, so they were like
from the big band era. So you know, Little Miller
for you, you got that, right, Glenn Miller, you got it.
So you know, obviously led Zeppelin didn't quite fit into
their mindset.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Here, I'm gonna play you something. It's called Black Sabbath,
right thing. I like them too, classic, no question about it.
See we're kindred spirits here.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's radio.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Yeah. I'm a classic rocker from wayback.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
That's it. I've been blessed. We've seen a lot of
the heavyweights, my daughters and I and seeing if we
can't find a few more before they get off the road.
Now an older rocker out on the football field. There
you go. I'm a broadcast professional.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Good segue, good segue.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Yeah, I'm gonna give myself the big pat on the
back with my reconstructed shoulder. Let's hear a play from
one of weak one's heroes.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Rogers under center, play action pass rolling to his right,
fires off the back foot top.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Of Austin touchdown Pittsburgh Steelers. The play action pass, he
gets Austin in the right portion of the end zone
for the touchdown pass. Fourth of the day for Aaron Rodgers,
jacked up Steelers network on the call, you get Austin
who now becomes that next up in the receiving core.
But what did you see from Aaron Rodgers big point

(38:38):
production against what was supposed to be an impenetrable Jets defense.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Yeah, well the Jets hats some issues, and some were
caused by what the Steelers did with their play concepts,
and some were just assignment miscues. But you know, it's funny.
We played that Austin eighteen yard touchdown early in the
fourth That was the exact same play as the Scoronic
twenty two yard touchdown, which I think think happened late
first quarter, maybe.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Pretty early, And one of the few times you get
to talk about a Northwestern wide receiver in the NFL,
Greg co Sel.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, didn't he play Notre Dame too?

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Is that he did? Yeah, but I'm claiming him. It's
like Ken Grive there. He as a White Sox Hall
of Famer. You'll never chell my mind.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
See, there's a great example though, of coaching and what
teams do. I mean, they were in the exact same
play because of the reaction. The defense was in a
different defense and the reaction one was zone the Scornic.
The Jets were in zone covered three, the Austin. They
were in man to man coverage and Austin was being
covered by Brandon Stevens, whose eyes went right in the backfield,

(39:40):
and it was just a really well designed play. But
Rogers was thrown to a lot of open receivers in
that game, so you know, you can't take anything away
from his performance, but there were a lot of open
receivers well.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
And look, the one thing we know in the NFL
is the first era of separation is actually making the
winning throws when they're available to you with question you
got to make, which is not an easy thing, as
much as we might dismiss it at times. All Right,
as we continue plenty of games on the slate, performances
to review, we'll head to a big one coming up next.

(40:13):
Patrick Mahomes Jalen Hurts getting it together a lot coming
off a week one. We talked about it a week
ago coming out of that Brazil game. But we'll revisit
what the Chiefs have looking ahead with our right Heart
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Speaker 2 (40:36):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Greetings and welcome in another hour as we get you
in the countdown to the fun and exciting kickoffs of
week two your National Football League season. Just inside of
four hours, plenty of time to walk the dog, get
to the gym, hit the snooze button after we're you know,
long down, and give yourself a little bit of extra juice.

(41:00):
Get through what is a long couch sitting position, no
question about it. Mike Harman, Greg Cosel with you here
Fox Football Sunday. As we're readying for this action, we're
starting to see all the whip arounds to the stadium.
And I love the fact that I still get juice,
you know, Week two, week three, Like it's still like

(41:21):
we're gonna get a bunch of presents. Greg. It's become
old hat, right. We wait for it all off season.
I need football, I need football football, And we still have,
you know, a full run of games to go to
seventy two minus R seventeen, so two hundred and fifty
five more glorious packages done.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Wrap, no, and today there are some really good ones
we haven't even gotten to yet. You got a Super
Bowl rematch which should be a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Well that's the big question. Jumping off right, forty to
twenty two is the final there. We watched the Chiefs
in Week one get absolutely obliterated in many aspects of
that game by Justin Herbert and the Chargers offense in Brazil,
and many questions now standing for these Chiefs. They'll be
without Xavier Worthy on the offensive side, so more Hollywood Brown,

(42:07):
most of his yardage coming on that one Patrick Mahomes.
Depending on your perspective, Greg, it's either the improvisational skills
and wizardry of Patrick Mahomes or it was a complete
defensive breakdown. It's depending on who I'm trying to sell
that play to.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Well, I mean, that's what makes Mahomes special. I mean,
he can make those kinds of plays. I mean, he
was running at full speed to the right. That was
a ridiculous throw, and he can make those throws. I mean,
that's just one of those special Mahomes plays. But you know,
their offense has been kind of odd the last couple
of years, and I've noticed this and noticed this, and
because they win and Becomes Mahomes is so special and

(42:45):
his running ability, by the way, is often overlooked. He's
a terrific scrambler. But their offense it's everything is kind
of quick rhythm, short timing throws. There's almost no intermediate
passing game. You know, Mahomes will take a few shots
here and there down the field, deeper shots, but there's
no real consistent timing and rhythm to their pass game.

(43:07):
You know, it's very odd because they win, and don't forget,
their defense over the last couple of years has been phenomenal,
which was not the case obviously against the Chargers. It
was a very uncharacteristic Steve Spagnolo game. I would imagine
that will turn around at some point. He's great, and
they have good players. But you know, their defense has
been in the top five the last two years in

(43:27):
terms of points allowed, and the Chiefs have only averaged
twenty two points a game the last two years. This
offense has not been what it was in prior years
to let's say, the first four or five years of
Mahomes in the league. And obviously he's special and he
can make ridiculously special plays at any time in any game,
but the overall construct of their offense, I'm a little confused,

(43:51):
to be honest with you, Mike. It's just there's no
kind of rhythmic feel to it.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Sure we go back and remember his scrambling ability limited.
Go back to that Super Bowl again, Tampa. I think
he had five hundred yards rushing if you counted him
going sideline to sideline as of Morston North South. But
here he became their most effective runner. And it's a
resounding theme. Early, I found the table a lot for
Can I find five guys to play his dancing bears together?

(44:16):
And can't find a running back that I trust that's
going to get us positive yardage and give us the
ability to pull the strings. And I don't know that
that guy's on the roster because I look at the
Eagles on the other side. Right, they go back into
the marketplace. I think in anticipation. Now you had a
couple of guys that they were trying to bring on.
You got Shipley, you got aj Dillon behind Saquon Barkley.

(44:37):
But they go into the marketplace, and Howie Roseman says, wait,
we could go get that tank Bigsby kid. Yeah, let's
go get him, because I mean, again, looking around the league,
be at Chicago, be it these chiefs, there are a
number of teams who are already going do they have
the guy they need? In that running back room, whereas
the Eagles just said, well we're operating from strength. Let's

(44:57):
just go in and take a guy off the board.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
There's so much to discuss about the Eagles, I mean,
just very quickly what they did tactically in the Super Bowl. Now, again,
when you play the same team so quickly, are you
going to do exactly the same thing? No, of course not.
And Vic fanjo this is not his first rodeo either,
so he's not going to do exactly the same thing.
And the players are different on his defense because last

(45:20):
year they obviously had Darius Sligy opposite Quinnyon Mitchell, the rookie.
But what they chose to do last year was they
played pure man on the outside and squeezed everything in
the middle because based on their film study, they felt
that the past game of the Chiefs, it was a
between the numbers pass game. That's where Patrick Mahomes worked

(45:42):
that he did not very often throw the ball outside
the numbers unless he was just taking a vertical shot.
So they basically did that in different ways throughout the game.
They played man on the outside, they let Mitchell and
Sleigh match up man to man, and they squeezed everything
in the middle in multiple boys, and of course they
rushed four against an old line that couldn't handle it.

(46:02):
So again, are they going to do exactly the same thing.
Not likely. But offensively, the Eagles are fascinating. They're not
really a passing team, Mike. You know, if you go
back to last year and Jalen Hurt started eighteen games,
Let's leave out the game he got hurt early against
the Commanders. So now he started nineteen games and in

(46:24):
nine of those games he's thrown for less than two
hundred yards. Now, if you were to say that in
today's ear of football, you'd probably say, well, that team's
not going to win a lot of games in the NFL.
But the way they play is really interesting. Hurts within
the context of what they ask him to do, and
he's got some limitations as a passer, but what they

(46:46):
ask him to do within the context of having Barkley
and his impact on the run game, which is huge
both by design and scrambling, he plays so intelligently within
that context. He doesn't turn the ball over. He understands
game situations. I mean, he's a really smart player within

(47:06):
what they are and what they asked him to do.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Sixty two rushing yards two touchdowns in their Week one win.
A lot of those were he was able to skip
to the sideline or into the end zone without being
touched against that Dallas squad, No Dallas Goddard in this one.
He's yeah missing this. So that's a big component off
the board.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
It is. It is because he's a really good run
blocker and they don't really have another tight end who
could run block very well at this point in time
that we know about. So we'll see how that impacts
how they choose to run the football.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Yeah, it's curiosity right as we watch the evolution of
the quarterback position, just you know, fun with numbers. Last
year there were only five quarterbacks that exceeded thirty passing touchdowns. Yeah,
which bit down and you look at Burrow Mayfield, Lamar
Goff and Sam Darnold. There's your men.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
And actually the run game sort of came back last year.
There were six running backs with over three hundred carries
and a couple of them didn't even play the final
week of the season, So you know, that was something
that hadn't happened in a long time. I don't know,
the exact year when it had previously happened. But you
know what, and you know, one year is a snapshot
more than a trend. So I don't want to sit

(48:16):
here and say the whole game is changed. Oh now
everybody's going to run the ball. But it was just
pretty interesting that six backs had over three hundred carries
a year ago.

Speaker 1 (48:23):
Some of that curiosity that we go back to offensive
lines that look like what the Cowboys put out all
those years ago, a lot of beef ahead of Emmett's
steth because you're going up against leaner, meaner pass rushers
and linebackers that are trying to chase and coverage like
we highlighted in our one with the Bobby Wagner mismatch
that we got.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, and you know, the thing too is, as I'm
sure you know you know and can appreciate and people
listening can appreciate, you know, the way that the collective
bargaining agreement is with less practice time. One unit that
that really impacts is the old line because that's such
a cohesion unit, both by the way in the game,
which people don't think about, but certainly in past protection.

(49:03):
And it's just it's really difficult those guys have to
work together. I mean, I've been fortunate. There's a great
event run by a duke Manny Weather. I don't know
if you know duke at all. Lane Johnson's involved. Jeff Schwartz,
Jeff's phenomenal.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Jeff will follow us a little later on this morning.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, Jeff's great, you know, And I go to this
event in Dallas. They've been you know, I've been fortunate
to be invited, and you know, they bring Hall of
Fame type guys like Steve Hutchinson, Kevin Mawai, you know,
Joe Thomas was there this year. All these guys talk
about is the cohesion that's demanded, you know, working together,
and when you don't have enough practice time, boy, that's

(49:41):
a difficult deal.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah, that's always been the question for me, you know,
as a talk to the ex players that traverse the
halls here at Fox Sports Radio or at our travels.
Greg is the fight and this is where you get
into the union stuff. We don't want to go too
deep in the week.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, no, and yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I mean from my perspective, is like getting that extra
practice day off is like I get it, it's a
day off, but it's also a day you're not necessarily
working at your craft and perhaps extending your stay in
the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Oh no, yeah, I wasn't making a judgment statement.

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Of fact, Absolutely no, But I mean, I look, I'll
be the judge guy on this because I see it
when we watch when we watch games live on an
NFL Sunday of where there's those disconnects, and certainly week
one and two, you know, we take it with a
grain of salt because we assume that over time, since
we have shorter preseasons and those shorter reps, that you know,

(50:36):
there's gonna be some growing pains, which is why sometimes
I lament some of these marquee matchups coming in week
one or week two. It's like, can I see these
teams formed a little bit before we put the two
heavyweights in the ring together? But that's okay. We get
plenty of that, and certainly that Chiefs and Eagles matchups
stands out for this week.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
And that's why week one you can't make these bold,
definitive statements about what's gonna happened for the whole season
off week one. You know, a lot of these good
teams don't play their players, you know, and then they're
playing really the first time, and even if they did
play in the preseason, playing twelve snaps is not the
same as then having to play four quarters and sixty
five seventy seventy five snaps.

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get ready for the rest of these games. I have
a good friend of mine, one of my daughter's teammates
soccer squad. He still wears the brand. You know. I've
got my cutler, Suresey, And I take the incoming from
folks on that he was wearing a Dolphins hat yesterday,

(54:38):
and I saw a couple of folks go up and
just start patting him on the shoulder. They're there, They're there,
absolutely bludgeoned by the Colts in Week one, thirty three
to eight, Ny Danny Dives getting Donny. He had a
perfect day.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah. See, there's a great, great example of coaching again
because you know Jones. Look, people probably forget because it
seems like a long time ago. His first his rookie season,
he was very, very good, and people thought he'd be
a quality NFL quarterback in some ways, and he's you
know again, I'm not gonna sit here and say he's
the same player because he hasn't had success. But stylistically

(55:18):
he's like Goff in the sense that he's a ball
distributor and executor, so he needs the pass game to
present him with define reads and throws so he can
play with timing and rhythm. And Shane Steichen did such
a good job with that, and he was very aggressive
with his first down play calls, but really well designed concepts,
and first down is always the best down to throw.

(55:38):
But even versus blitz Jones was really really good. So
it was just look again, I'm not gonna sit here
and say he's playing a really tough defense today. I
know they are at home, They're gonna play Denver and
Denver that'll be indoors on a fast track, and Denver
is a really fast defense. So could he have a
bad game today, Absolutely he could, But in this particular

(55:59):
game he looked very comfortable.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Well, I go back to twenty twenty two, Greg, you know,
before he got the contracts fifteen and five touchdown to
interception ratcha, Yeah, completed sixty seven percent of his passes. Unfortunately,
he's a guy that will The legs are a great
attribute and an extra skill set that he has, but
it puts him in harm's way. So we've seen some
injury issues go back to neck injury and everything else.

(56:23):
So it's one of those guys like, is he a
guy that I want winging the ball around thirty five
times a game? No, But combine that with Jonathan Taylor
and I can pull the strings where you've got four
guys for stiking to deploy. I think it can work.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Yeah, and they've got a good old line as you
mentioned Taylor, he's a top five runner in the league.
They've got weapons. I mean, they've got four solid wide
receivers now that they have Tyler Warren. I mean, they've
got they can play with three tight ends, which they
did on occasion last Sunday. So we'll see if he
can be protected again. No one's sitting here saying that

(56:58):
makes him a top five quarterback in the league. That's
not the point. But the point is he can execute
your offense and that's what coaches want. They want to
trust the quarterback. You know, there's not one hundred josh Allens,
Lamar Jackson's mahomes Boroughs, just not one hundred of those guys.
Coaches want a quarterback that can execute the offense as
game plan that they can trust and can Jones become

(57:21):
that guy? Only time will tell, but that's what happened
last week. A really good mix of the coach and
the quarterback being able to work together.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Fun to watch it play out, especially if maybe you've
got a little bit of Daniel Jones stock. In other words,
you stand fo him years ago, as maybe I did
during those tenure there or Giants, So you know when
guys have a little bit of a reclamation there, Grey,
it's like, all right, I wasn't completely off, That's all

(57:51):
it is. I don't want to look like an idiot,
So don't make me look like an idiot. On the
other side, everything going wrong for the Miami Dolphins, as
I alluded to, one hundred and fourteen passing yards for
two a tongue of ailoa. You've got the disconnect Tyreek
Hill on the off season, all of the talk and
you think it's to some degree, Hey, we get between

(58:12):
the white lines. Some of that's going to remedy itself.
That was just a listless effort from week one. What'd
you see from Twuan tape?

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah, well, I think that they can only play one
way because two is this very specific kind of quarterback.
He's really really good and is truly at his best
when it's quick rhythm. He can hit his back foot
and deliver the football because he has a very kind
of strong innate feel for timing and rhythm. He's quick

(58:41):
on his drop. He needs to hit the back foot
and get rid of the football, and they need a
run game, and that didn't happen last week. So when
they can't play like that, to his limitations come out.
So the one thing about this league, Mike, is it's
hard to be able to be a good team, you know,
a team that's really competing when you can only play

(59:01):
one way. And they really only can play one way.
So look, they signed to it. He's the guy. But
if that's the case, you really need your old line
to be good, and you need a run game to
be more than just a compliment. You needed to really
be a major factor in your offense. So we'll see
what happens now that they, you know, are coming off

(59:22):
you know, obviously a really bad opener where everybody is
pretty much saying they stink. But we'll see what happens today.
But you know, that's the issue they face. They can
really only play that one way on offense.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Yeah, down twenty to nother and at halftime takes everything
off the board as far as eighth and just seven
carries for him was effective in the past. Game got
you a touchdown to save your fantasy day if you
went down that highway. He's one of those guys that
I'm wondering how long it is before we throw up
the flare into the sky and he's on another roster.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
Who you're talking about, h Chan, Yeah, Well, the thing is,
I mean, who's who is quote unquote their feature back
got you? Yeah, I mean that's that's kind of what
they need. They need a Bellweather back because that's where
the offense has to start and it has to work
off that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
They're wishing and hoping that that guy can be Ali
Gordon the second.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
You know, a couple of years ago with Oklahoma State,
you know, it looked like he might be that guy
going forward. So we'll see. He may end up being
the guy that gets meaningful carries.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
And if nothing else, gives a little bit of life
into what looks like a very long march from Mike
McDaniel in this season. After Week one, on the other
side of that game, Greg, We've got the Patriots a
difficult week one for them, a lot of expectations. They
make a trade. They send Polk to the Saints for
a couple of draft picks, a guy they were high on.

(01:00:45):
He's uninjured reserve, but Saints stocking up for future options
for the Patriots and for Drake May and for Mike
Vrabel in that debut, a very difficult sled.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Yeah, and I didn't think May was poor in that game.
You know, he really took a look at at Will
Campbell quite a bit in that game, you know, because
I spoke to a number of O line coaches who
believed that he was a guard, not a tackle who
strongly believe in arm length. One O line coach who's
been in the league for years and years, super highly respected,
he said it in a way that I thought was

(01:01:17):
fascinating when he said it. He said he's a big
believer in arm length for tackles for this reason. He said,
sixty percent of your pass pro snaps, everything goes as
you would like. You know, your technique's good, you block them,
everything looks good. Forty percent you have to be reactive,
you know, somehow your technique gets lost because the guy
whatever the rusher does and he said that's where arm

(01:01:39):
length really becomes a factor when you when you have
to become more reactive than proactive in your pass protection
and you're one on one pass protection. And I thought
that was a really interesting way to say it. And
you saw that a couple of times with Will Campbell. Again,
not a knock on his whole career. He's going to
be there left tackle, so we'll see how it continues.
But he had you know, you saw that on the tape.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Yeah, looking at the graphic that kept hitting my timeline.
Yesterday was a look at the Patriots twenty twenty four
draft class. So you got Drake May round one, trade
round two, Jalen Polk now trade round three, Caden Wallace,
offensive lineman, backup, Leyden Robinson, injured reserve, a guard, Javon

(01:02:21):
Baker was a fourth round wide receiver. He got cut. Yeah,
Marcellus Dial cornerback is on injured reserve. Joe Milton got
traded to the Cowboys, and Jaheim Bell tight end got cut.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
Got cut. So I guess that wasn't a very good draft. Well,
you know that's because a whole new coaching staff came
in too, so it's not surprising. But still, you know,
that's an entire draft class other than May, who will
be a good player. That's it. You know, it's the
first round pick and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah, that's a difficult slate to look at one year
later because the whole thing at the end of the
Belichick era was well, they couldn't pick the groceries. So
now it's a new regime doing it. And then one
year hence you got Drake May is the last man stand.
A couple of guys on injured reserve, but a number
of them already shuffled off into the NFL wasteland as

(01:03:10):
it were. He's great cosal I had great coselle where
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(01:03:33):
hens as we get truly into this NFL season. But
now we're going to take a trip over to the
news desk, Greg, We're gonna find out from Isaac Low
and Brown some early injury notes or what other chaos
we may have in the NFL world.

Speaker 5 (01:03:47):
We've got both injury and chaos in the NFL right
on the DoD Mike, good morning to you and Greg.
We start with the best finisher of the night in
college football on Saturday is number sixteen Texas A and
M what an eighth RC Notre Dame four forty one
to forty Marcel Reid the game winning touchdown passed to
Nate Borkicher on a fourth and goal from the eleven
yard line with thirteen seconds to play. Number three LSU

(01:04:09):
intercepted five passes at a twenty to ten victory over Florida.
Vanderbilt won an eleventh ranks South Carolina thirty one to seven,
their first win over South Carolina since two thousand and eight,
breaking a sixteen game head to head losing streak. Number
seventeen Ole miss over Arkansas forty one to twenty five.
Baseball Saturday Night, sho Hey o'tani is forty ninth home

(01:04:30):
run in the Dodgers thirteen to seven victory at San
Francisco Mariners over the Angels.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Five to three.

Speaker 5 (01:04:36):
Seattle on an eight game winning streak tyes Houston for
first place in the American League West. In boxing, on
Saturday night, Terrence Crawford won a unanimous decision over Canelo
Alvarez to become the undisputed super middleweight champion. Finally, NFL
Media reports that on the night before the Las Vegas
Raiders Week one victory over the Patriots at New England,

(01:04:58):
their seventy three years old head coach Pete Carroll fired
up his players by kicking through a whiteboard during a
team meeting. The seventy three year old destroying the white bird.
The whiteboard caused joyous pandemonium amongst the Raider players. Sadly,
of course, the obliterated white board will indeed miss the

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rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
Mike and Greg backs here at Isaac Lowing Kron where
you find him. Greg, we were talking a little bit
of classic rock. Was he influenced by the karate moves
of Elvis Presley during his run in Vegas?

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
You know what, Elvis Presley. I don't want to say
this before my time, but for some reason I never
quite got into him.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Wow, that's see. Now we've got some more talking. Yeah,
we got a whole season to do this. I'll evangelize
and send you a bunch of the random tapes that
I've picked up through the years. I actually had an
aunt who I was known to at family parties because
I'd get I just start singing and eventually, you know,

(01:06:02):
so at one point my aunt actually made me a
be dazzled cape.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Well, we hope you never get bored during our conversations singing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
Well, I mean, look, I mean it might be for
a little bit of flavor and color and just show
up the chops. I mean, you never know who's listening
to Greg. We can always have secondary deals. I mean
I could use a residency in Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Oh well, there you go. You're gonna be at the Sphere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Wow, that would be something. I got to figure out
what my hook would because they've been showing they're getting
one hundred bucks a ticket for the Wizard of Oz there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
You know, I guess the Eagles have been playing there
for it seems like the last hundred years.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Yeah, it's been them Dead in Company, John Mayer, that
kind of stuff. Yeah, the residencies, but the Backstreet Boys
have been there, and I know the Eagles just added
a bunch of new dates from twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Well, I've seen the Eagles numerous times myself, but not
at the sphere.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
See, there you go, and maybe that's something we just
have to do. Get you out West Coast and we'll
go take it in.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
The last time I was there was the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
There you go. Yeah, it's I haven't gone. I used
to go regularly for conferences in a former work life.
Now occasionally we sneak in for big events. My brothers
and I. We took in WrestleMania. Greg. I'm still a
little kid at heart.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
You know, it's a little closer for you than me.
For me, it's not in Las Vegas, is not around
the corner.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
That's okay. We'll get your window seat, give you a
little bit of a mask and you'll be awaken and
ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
There you go. What do you mean a window seat?
How about first class?

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
Okay? If that's what I got, I mean that's still windows.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I noticed the pregnant I noticed the pregnant park.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
How much how much have I get paid for that?
As I gotta do the math, I've never done that.
I had people talking about that yesterday and they, I
guess had looked it up and just kind of went,
it costs me what? So that was my immediate reaction,
was there there's stunned face. I'm like, I've never actually
looked at first class seats. Maybe that'll be an education.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I'm usually I'm not there either, So I'm with you
on that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Well, hey, look, you got to reach for the stars.
As my parents always said, if you don't ask, look,
you might get a terse. No, but what's the worst
that could happen? Someone says no, asked an answered. As
we go forward, and let me ask you this one.
What are you expecting from Mac Jones leading a mash
unit for the forty nine ers today?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of injuries, but I
mean just stylistically, I mean that's the only way I
can talk about it, because you just don't know, you know,
we don't know if Jennings will play. I guess Trent
Williams is a game time decision as well. But stylistically
he's similar to Purdy. He doesn't have the same athleticism
that Purdy has, but within the context of a Kyle
Shanahan offense and how they want to work their passing game.

(01:08:42):
He fits that. Now again, you never know, you know,
he obviously played last year in kind of a dysfunctional
situation in Jacksonville toward the end of the season. But
that's the kind of quarterback he is. He's another guy
that is a distributor. You know, he needs the offense
to work for him. He's not going to be the offense.
You know. Ideally McCaffrey's healthy and stays healthy, and they

(01:09:04):
really are able to crank up a run game that
I'm sure will be the plan, especially if Jennings can't go,
because then they're light at receiver as well. Although I
really do like Rooky Piersol. But yeah, but I think
he's similar in that regard and how he has to
play to be effective.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
Yeah, I'll be curious with Kittle gone, and we talked
about a little bit earlier, not only as a pass catcher,
but how active he is in their ground game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:30):
Oh, great point. You're right, And.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Thirty one touches from Christian McCaffrey is one that I
get a little cringey what I think about. I have
to expect we see more of Brian Robinson as as
we go forward, maybe get McCaffrey out as a receiver
a little bit more to kind of pull the strings there.
But yeah, losing Kittle is it hurts on both fronts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Oh, it really does. He's such a good run blocker
and so many of their run game concepts, basic concepts
that for other teams you don't really think of tight
ends as doing those kinds of blocks. They asked him
to do those kinds of blocks in their run game
and so they're going to miss that. And that's a major.

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
Deal, shameless plug, because he's constantly at WWE events and
I fully expect him in the ring like Gronkowski was
years ago before it's all said and done with.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
You know, looks the part, looks the part with his hair,
you know, I mean, he looks like one of those guys.

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
The Fabulous Showman, as it were. I'd be sure to
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on YouTube and subscribe. What's funny is I pulled up
the notes and some of the looking at some of
the old little clips from Mac Jones, but also just
the raw stats Greg the fact that he's a sixty
six percent completion rate for his career fifty four against forty.
So we will put the ball in harm's way. But
I lean towards old school NFL, where I need a

(01:11:05):
guy that will be willing to take a shot. Now
where they all eight shots. No, but I tend to
like a little more of that of pressing the action
as opposed to trying to pull off a fifteen play
protracted drive because usually there's gonna be a holding penalty,
a fall start or something that's gonna beset that drive before.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
Yeah, and look, every offensive coach would love that, but
you know they're they're missing people, you know, so it's hard.
You know, again, I don't even know who's going to
be up at wide receiver. We know Russell Gage played
a ton last week. Obviously, Pierceol's there. You know, they
they even without Kittle. I mean, they're they're a base

(01:11:47):
personnel offense because they used check. They probably playing more
of what we call twenty one personnel, meaning two backs
and one tight end than any team in the league.
So they're not going to really deviate from who they are.
You know, they're just gonna you know, Kyle Sanahan is
a big believer in you know, calling plays that he
believes will be at a defense and making it a
four quarter game, showing things in the first quarter, seeing

(01:12:10):
how the defense reacts, and then being able to play
off that as the game goes along. He's not a
guy that just calls a play and she hopes that
it works. You know. He's he builds throughout the entire game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
Work to a nude tight end tungees right, he had
three catches last week. He'll have to be a bigger
piece perhaps, but certainly responsibility in that run blocking work
for Christian McCaffrey today.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
No question. But your point's a good one. I think
you might see McCaffrey be more involved in the past game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah. I was looking to try to keep him on
the field even before the season. Greg would maybe we
look to what he was a few years ago where
he was over the one hundred reception mark and he
started with a bang with nine of them last week.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's it's cook you gotta
as they say, you got to dance with the girl
who brung you. You know, they got to play with who
they have?

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Well, last man standing kind of situation as we go.
You know, all the movies in theaters are all dystopian
universes anyway, So why not let have that over in
with the forty nine ers as they get ready to
host the Super Bowl later on as we get into
twenty twenty six, he's Great co Sell at Great co
Cell where you find him in the Twitter verse, find
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(01:13:21):
show that Greg does and all the breakdowns he's got
and of course his weekly visits alongside our colleague Colin Cowhard.
A couple more quarterbacks that we want to break down
as we get into the games of week two. You
know I have to get a little bit of sunshine in.
That's right, Trevor Lawrence Joe Burrow will break down that
matchup with the highest over under for all of you

(01:13:43):
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bit smarter. And as we're watching these games and trying
to ascertain what we're really seeing, are we fooling ourselves?
I find myself being fooled because of wishing and hoping
a little bit. Greg Quite often in this like did
I see that right? Give me the all twenty two? Now,

(01:14:26):
let me see I know.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
Well, hey, that's the way I feel when I watch tape.
Sometimes I wish I had a you know, a batphone.
I could call a coach, you know, any coach in
the league when I'm watching tape and say, hey, what
was the thought process here? You know, because there's stuff
even watching tape if you're not in the meetings, you
don't really know exactly how they're coaching it or what
they're asking guys to do. So, you know, I wish
I could do that, but obviously I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
That would be the one thing it's also the what's
your vocal inflection when you when you ask that question?

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
Right right, right right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
So what was the call here? You might get a
response like Brian Kelly or some of the coaches in
their comments Yeah, well maybe yeah, but you know what,
that becomes a note for the next show that you do.
I tried to get an answer because I got a
lot of notes from my friends and people that are
trying to figure out what this offense is all about.

(01:15:15):
Tell me you wouldn't have gotten that. Perhaps that answer, No,
Mike McDaniel would have given you something deep and philosophical.
I think if you asked him about some of the
concepts going out a week one.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
But well, he's he actually really good. I had a
chance to speak with him a number of years ago
when he was still with the Niners, and he is
talking about the run game. He is really good.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I find him absolutely fascinating. Yeah, like you know, if
the betting odds play out and he's he's on the marketplace,
that's a guy. Yes, he'll be a coordinator again in
short order. But I think you would be fascinating as
a member of our larger media process as we go now,
because I need to rip the bandage off one more time.

(01:15:55):
Let's rewind a Monday night football in one more great
play from the other side. McCarthy out of the shotgun,
blitz's on and picked up.

Speaker 5 (01:16:03):
McCarthy litsen to Jone's touch.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Show time and.

Speaker 5 (01:16:13):
The Minnesota Vikings have taken on one point lead.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Long time announcer Paul Allen on the call on the
Vikings radio network, JJ McCarthy one hundred and forty three
and two the scramble to the end zone and they're
a big play for Aaron Jones. Things got a little
more comfortable as the game wore on, and you could
see all the clips on the sideline making the round, Greg.
But what'd you see from McCarthy. I mean to me,

(01:16:38):
it looked a little bit like that guy from Michigan's Like,
he's not gonna make all the plays, but down distance
and time on the clock, he's going to find a play.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Yeah. I thought his best throw, believe it or not,
was the seventeen yard er on the first fourth quarter possession.
It was a far half sideline out to Jefferson. He
got drilled as soon as he released the ball. That
was a big time throw. The play we just heard.
That's another great example of where the scheme presented the throw.
I mean, they that was a three man route combination
and they got Aaron Jones matched on the linebacker Sewell,

(01:17:11):
who's not a very good past defender to begin with.
So the design of the play presented the throw, and
you know, he executed it, which of course you have
to no knock on McCarthy there at all, but that
was just beautiful design. They got exactly what they wanted
from a coverage standpoint, and he executed. But you know
the thing is, he didn't. You know, he threw the

(01:17:31):
really bad pick, which I believe it or not, I thought,
actually Jefferson, who was throwing too on that pick, I
thought he drifted up field a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
I thought he was waiting for him to do a
stop and just step in there, and.

Speaker 2 (01:17:40):
Maybe, yeah, he kind of drifted. And again they went
zero cover zero on that play, the Bears did. And
so again I don't know if they wanted McCarthy to
throw the ball where he did. I don't know the
answer to that. Normally you work inside versus zero, but again,
you just don't know. That's one of those things I
was saying, I don't have to know the answer to that.
But but you know, as long as he doesn't turn

(01:18:02):
it over. I think that in the context of, you know,
how they want to play, I think he'll be fine.
That's kind of the way he played at Michigan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Yeah, if nothing else, I may just now buy you
a replica of the batphone to sit on your desk
when you're right. It's like I can call anybody at
any time, right, right, even if it's all just faith,
as long as I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Don't have to slide down the pole to get to
the you know, to the batmobile.

Speaker 1 (01:18:24):
No, no, no, well we'll make it easier. We'll get you
a better lift, no question about it. Maybe its own
elevator operator. I don't know. Hey. Count Down to Kickoff
presented by bet MGM. Coming up in eight minutes here
Fox Sports Radio. Keep it locked in, Bill, Jeff and
Brian get you going with the next three hours injury
notes and different plays, prop bets, et cetera. As we go.

(01:18:45):
One other matchup before we get out of here. Greg
forty nine is the over under Jacksonville Cincinnati, both winners
Week one, decidedly different games. Cincinnati wins a squeaker against
the Browns. Trevor Lawrence gets a big help from ATN
and a big week one. But what'd you see out
of those quots?

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yeah, I mean, one would have to assume Burrow is
going to be a lot different in this game. I
don't want to say better, because he played the game
the way it had to be played, which is a
really good thing as well. But you'd have to assume
that the numbers will be different and better in this
game only I think through twenty three balls last week.
That's a rarity for him. Very often he throws twenty
three balls in the first half. So I would imagine

(01:19:27):
that they'll attack that defense, which on the back end
there are some question marks, So we'll see. I mean,
I would expect that to be a different game for
the Bengals offense against the defense that has some questions,
you know at this point the season. To me, they're
not concerned, they're questions.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, we have a little bit of that familiarity certainly
with Cleveland as well, and that yeahsh just pass front
Trevor Lawrence on the other side. All right, If I
take the Philly Kansas City game off the board, what's
the game with the most intrigue for you.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
Maybe Seattle, Pittsburgh in some ways, I would say Atlanta, Minnesota.
We didn't talk about Penis a whole lot, but I
thought Pendix was tremendous last week, and against that Brian
Flora's defense. I am really curious to see how Flora
goes about playing against Michael Pennix.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
Well, you talked about him playing with that anticipation and
what he can see. Certainly Flores will do his best
to disguise that as we flow. Fantastic two hours, my friend.
Enjoy the games and remember to hydrate.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
All right, thanks, my man, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
Great go Sell. I'm Mike harm and this has been
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