Mike Harmon & Jared Smith talk football win totals, Shedeur Sanders, and more!

Mike Harmon & Jared Smith talk football win totals, the cult of personality around the Sanders offspring, Caleb Williams and the Bears offense performance in their final preseason game, and more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah, welcome in it to another Fox Sports Sunday, one
step closer to the kickoff of a glorious run in
the National Football League. Week zero in the books college football,
maybe you got screwed on some late play shenanigans, maybe
a kicker broke your heart. Maybe you had a game

(00:25):
that was suspended all together for weather. We had a
little bit of everything here in Week zero, and of
course we finished up our NFL preseason. All of that,
so much more. Maybe we'll hit the panic button for
some of your favorite baseball teams along the way, but
so much going on to the sporting universe. We're so
excited you're with us as part of our extended family wherever, however,

(00:46):
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Jared Smith Do you hear him on Saturday as part
of the Countdown Crew. Dan byer Off in gallivanting back

(01:09):
in the Midwest. Find him at Dan Byron Fox. Find
Jared at Jared Smith Bets Analyst and prognosticator and our friend.
What's going on, Jared? Welcome back?

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Oh that was great, prognosticator. That might be the longest
nicest word anyone's ever used to describe me. Usually it's
much more angry, especially after yesterday had a rough day.
Yesterday bet in Week zero rough day. And also the
Browns did not do what they were supposed to do
against the Rams, who were playing basically the hot Dog
Guy and the bench mob in their preseason finale.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, the hot Dog Guy was still one step closer
to glory than I was. But all of that to say, Jared,
I mean, let's start right there with Week zero. We'll
get We got plenty of time to talk about Cleveland,
the cult of personality, and how if your surname is Sanders,
you're gonna have people standing up for you no matter
how dumb you are on a football field. And I'm
talking more about Shador's brother Shiloh and Shador in this case,

(02:07):
while he didn't get off the exercise bike for the
final drive, We'll get into all of the good, the bad,
the ugly out of that. But Week zero trying to
try to parse things out in a new world of
college football the last two years, I got to imagine
so much more information flow and a wait and see
approach unless there's some consistency at coordinator, head coach, and quarterback.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, definitely, Mike, I think especially.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Let's just use the Kansas State Iowa State game for
a good example. Kansas State had a ton of missing pieces,
especially their offensive coordinator, and then you throw in a
bunch of offensive linemen and then, oh, by the way,
your best running back and one of your best overall players,
Dylan Edwards, gets hurt on I think it was the
first punt of the game or one of the first
punts of the game when he muffed the pot and

(02:55):
it got hit and then he was out for the
rest of the game. So I was on Kansas State
that didn't go well, and you look at just what
Iowa State was, and both teams brought back their quarterbacks,
so you could at least assume that there was some continuity.
But Iowa State lost their two best receivers in the
NFL Draft. I mean, how often you see two receivers
from Iowa State get taken in the top eighty of

(03:17):
the NFL drafts, So you just don't know what you're
gonna get. Now that being said, that doesn't mean that
you can't form an opinion and try to prognosticate, as
you so eloquently put at the top of the show there.
But at the end of the day, college football, unlike
the NFL, in my opinion, much more weight.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
And see, don't bet every.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Game in week zero in week one and just try
to figure out what these teams are. In the NFL,
I have a much better sense. I do have a
much better sense, And in fact, I bet the win totals.
I just posted it on my x account right before
the show. All thirty two teams now, not a significant amount,
very small amounts on some of them. But I think
it's much easier to formulate an opinion on NFL team

(03:59):
just because we have a lot more access and information.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well, and that's the thing, right, how much actually has
to be disclosed we'll forever kind of chuckle. Going back
to twenty five thirty years ago, why is there an
injury report? Well, no it's not, hey for your competitor, No, no, no, no,
full on gambling disclosure all the way through, and at
least we're not insulting people's intelligence with that anymore, Jared.

(04:24):
But to that point, you still op, you skate and
dance around it as best you can, and certainly for
week zero week one, if nothing else, it proves time
and again that even with a full off season to
go back and review the math, they're down distance, people
are still going to make abhorrent calls on fourth downs

(04:44):
to give us plenty to talk about.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
They always do. I think at the end of the day,
the NFL is so much easier at this state to
actually sit back and enjoy it. The college foot is
really it is really hard.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It is really.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
First of all, there's so many more teams. Second of all,
they're kids. I mean that's the part that I struggle
with the most, Like when I'm screaming at my TV
during March madness for these eighteen year olds to make
their free throws like it just you have to wrap
your heads around what you were doing when you were eighteen, nineteen,
twenty years old and the decisions that these kids are making,

(05:23):
million dollar decisions. I couldn't even figure out, you know,
where I was getting dinner most nights when I was
at Penn State or during that time in my life,
and these kids are being asked to remember and play
a sport that is a very.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Difficult sport to play, like football. I think it's the
ultimate team sport.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
But there's a lot of information, especially for the quarterbacks,
especially for those high profile positions, and now they're being
treated like professionals basically right out of high school. So
it's a totally different element in college than the NFL.

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, I just even look a much different level. But
my daughter going through recruiting for soccer and some of
her teammates going through that and seeing the permutations, the
different stories that some of the parents had given me
about interactions with coaches and assistants and people around programs
has been very curious. Right, some of our teammates here
at Fox Sports rady of their kids going down that

(06:16):
football path or basketball path, and you get the myriad
stories of recruiting, you know, from when they played to
where it is now and how much of a vault
that we've made, and certainly these last couple of years
as you're navigating the wild West, you know, we were
talking about Jason Smith and I a little bit earlier

(06:39):
in the week. When you talk about quarterbacks who now
going and trying to make an NFL team. You look
at their college resumes and you've got three or four
teams because they were able to move right the mobility
to go make more money and find a new opportunity,
but also the recognition that that machine is much more

(07:00):
rapidly firing than perhaps it used to, where you didn't
get to be the incumbent anymore. Right, even if you
were good and projected to be whatever first, second, third round,
whatever you want to do on the ending game of things,
that if they could get guy number two in a
year younger, maybe with a little more spin rate or

(07:21):
whatever on the ball, that you're going to be displaced
that much faster. So it's just a different game altogether.
And if I'm a long tenured coach, I can understand why,
you know what I'm done with this? Is there a
media job waiting for me.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
The coaching changes are also unique. I mean, you saw
a few of them in the NFL this year. You
saw a couple college coaches make the trip make the
jump to the NFL. I always think that's a fascinating
jump and the biggest one is with the Eagles, and
I think it kind of leads into how I feel
about Philly this year. But the Eagles made one of
the most fascinating hires you will see in an offseason,

(07:59):
where their offensive coordinator Kella Moore, you know, moved on
to be the head coach in New Orleans. And what
the Eagles did is something that they've done in the past,
is they promoted from within with Kevin Patulo. That wasn't
the higher that I thought was interesting. I thought the
quarterback coach higher was very interesting. I believe Patula was
the quarterback coach last year, and who they hired to

(08:20):
replace him is a guy by the name of Scott Loffler.
Who's Scott Loffler the head coach, former head coach at
Bowling Green. I mean, how often do you see a
mac head coach who has a lot of experience played
at Michigan, played with Tom Brady coach Tom Brady. After
that as a GA coach. Tim Tebow at Florida had
a lot of experience as a quarterback coach as an

(08:43):
offensive guru, more experienced than Kevin Patulo. I think he's
about ten years older than Patulo. Play caller obviously called
the plays of bowling. Green was very instrumental in really
making that offense legit last year, over the last couple
of years. And Harold Fannins in the NFL now he
was the best tight end on that team. And you
saw Connor Bazlak. I believe he made an NFL roster

(09:04):
during the preseason. He was the quarterback last year. But
you get an Eagles team that their offense was kind of,
I don't want to say the life blood, but obviously
they're very talented on both sides of the ball. And
then you replace the offensive coordinator with a guy you
promote from within. We know Sirianni and Hurts don't get along,
right Mike, And now you have this Sirianni mouthpiece in Patula,
who's the offensive coordinator. But then you bring in Loffler,

(09:26):
who's kind of this outsider to be this new voice
in the room. With Jalen Hurts, it is a fascinating dynamic.
And then you get the AJ Brown injury. I would
not be surprised if there's a little bit of let's
call it uncertainty in the Eagles offensive room at least
to start the season.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Well we go back a couple of years ago, right,
you lose the coordinators and you have a choppy season
rally together and now you're defending champions but certainly trying
to figure out how to mesh when your coach is
like he's abrasive and he wears it on his sleeve.
Sirianni is one of those guys that we find absolutely

(10:04):
fascinating on this side of the glass, like because he's
gonna give us something, right, some folks don't necessarily care
for the x's and o's and and everything that Mike
McDaniel gives you. But I hope that that guy is
a head coach in the National Football League for a
very long time because he gives us gold and things
to theorize about, as opposed to some of these coaches

(10:24):
nondescript go about their business. But in Philadelphia, yeah, trying
to figure out the buff buffer and in the meeting
rooms like this is where if you could give me
anything tangible out of any of these hard knocks or
whatever permutations you have of that Jared, this is where
you'd find in mind for gold of how you you know,

(10:45):
figure out the assuaging, the allaying of fears, but you know,
the massaging of egos to try to get yourself into
that proper midpoint, because let's face it, you know it's
it's a lot on Saquon Bark. I think Jalen Hurts
is one of those quarterbacks that it's going to take
us fifteen years to truly. I think give him his

(11:07):
flowers for what he's been for that squad, because even now,
I mean outside of fantasy rankings where he's deservedly in
the top five based on what they do with the
tush push and the running numbers that he's going to
give you, there's still a lot of debate as to
exactly how good he is versus being carried and in

(11:28):
the end, going to Loeffler, having worked with Brady, having
worked with Tibo at the collegiate level, Tibo's the name
we'll get back into with one of our other discussions
as we go, Jared. But you know, the bottom line
is how do we win games? It doesn't have to
be pretty, it doesn't have to be sexy. How do
we get to the best endpoint is what it's all about.

(11:50):
And here it's just bridging that gap for continuity.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Yeah, I agree, I think continuity is in college football.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
It's almost impossible these days.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
We heard. I thought one of the most interesting quotes
from the offseason the media circuit of college football came
from Kenny Dillingham a Big twelve media day. He said,
I'm not even I'm focused more on retention than recruiting
these days. And obviously by retention he means just keeping
the players that he has and not having them leave
in the portal or you know, go elsewhere. That to
me is a fascinating, fascinating quote from a young coach.

(12:24):
I think he's under forty years old, Kenny dilling Ham,
he's right around that age that he is now looking
at it more. It's so hard to keep your players
that I need to worry about that more than I
do need to worry about, you know, recruiting, which is
usually what we only think about, like, oh, it's all recruiting, right,
we got to recruit, recruit, recruit. Well, now it's retention,
it's it's retaining your players. I think that's very interesting

(12:47):
shift in the way college football is kind of managed
at that personnel level.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Well, because you don't have to do the sit out
a year deal anymore, so that goes away you're looking
at once upon a time it will Are these guys
going to be eligible for class? I mean, now we
don't even pretend with that charade game of charades anymore
for the most part, Jared, very rarely, except for the

(13:11):
graphic that gets put up when they want to spotlight
a guy to try to tell you what is major
might be. And even then it's usually just a general
studies kind of thing. No disrespect. You do what the
system a forge in what you're looking to do. But
you know, it is very much that, right, are guys
out of trouble? Are they going to class? Now? It's

(13:32):
are they actively on the phone potentially leaving right as
we're figuring out the proper offensive set to use them
at their maximum capacity. And certainly we talk about the
quarterback position and the amount of dollars that are out there.
Certainly other positions are there, but your signal caller, you
don't normally have the luxury anymore. Of all right, this

(13:54):
guy's going to be a three year starter because you
have to do everything you can just on that retention side.
I think that's the the dirty, little, uh not so
secret part of all of this. Anymore of trying that
part of retention as much as anything.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Totally agree. Honestly, I think I think the next couple
of years, especially as the playoff continues to expand, I
think you're starting to see more parody, and I think
you're gonna see a lot this year in the higher
level conferences. I don't think you're gonna see any more
like Oregon going twelve and zero last year. I might
be the last regular season undefeated team you see in

(14:28):
the Big Ten or SEC for a long time. I
just don't think the sport really can can handle that anymore.
I mean, you might get an outlier year where a
team just has like a cake schedule, but the Big
Ten in the SEC, good luck.

Speaker 2 (14:43):
The extra conference game.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, come on, You're not gonna see it anymore. It's
not gonna happen. I think ten and two might be
the best year you see in the SEC this season.
I don't think anyone's gonna go eleven and one in
the SEC this year.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Which I think makes it that much more fun. Right,
once upon a time, you and I I mean, I'm
older than you, and it was all right. If you
lost a game early, you were done, all right, that
was it. It's like, all right, now we're playing and
hopefully we're spoiling other teams seasons. Now as a Northwestern guy,
any win, we got spoiled somebody's year in some capacity

(15:15):
back in the day. Currently five hundred to one to
win the Big Ten, though, Jared, So, I mean, look
at that, we're right back where I guess folks would
say we belong I win the Big Ten. As we
go forward, we'll talk about your team because expectations are
through the roof, talking about continuity, talking about quarterbacking and
all that fun stuff. But as we go forward, look,

(15:35):
we're at that point in the NFL season. We could
talk about all thirty two again all preseason and correct
me if I'm wrong. What do we have? We have Cleveland, Dallas, Indianapolis, Chicago,
a little bit of Pittsburgh with the trade for Robinson,
a little bit of attention on San Francisco these last
couple of days, but otherwise the rest of you, your

(15:55):
NFL teams kind of got to just kind of hang
out for the last six weeks or so. Now it's
winning time and we'll get to it at Jared Smith.
Betts is where you find him in the twitterverse. Find
me over at Swallow'd Dome. As we continue, we take
our look at preseason Game three and and yes, the
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(16:16):
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(17:21):
depending on which path you want to take. Jared Smith
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Thanks for being with us at Jared smith bets in
the twitter verse. Check out his latest on the win
totals and everything he's posting. As we get ready for
Week one of your college football season and for the
National Football League, the countdown clock is rapidly dwindling towards

(17:48):
zero here, Jared, I mean we've been watching. Look, I'm
a White Sox guy here. It's been a long season,
much better in the second half, and I think they're
three runs behind their total of twenty twenty four. That's right,
That's how bad it was. As we still have a
month of baseball left. But here in Los Angeles, you

(18:09):
know Dodger fans gripping after another loss to the Padres.
So football is a welcome, I think diversion when we
look at what the Rams and Chargers may be great expectations,
a lot of it on well, Will Justin Herbert. Finally,
and we did the monologue the last time you were here.
People can go back and find it all the data

(18:30):
you had on Justin Herbert. And then I'm trying to
think if you got your medical degree to where you
can give some level of assurance for folks on Matthew
Stafford's back.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
I can't, honestly, I can't. So the Stafford thing is
intriguing because they are a very different team with him
and without him, obviously, but they also, like the Receiver
group gets worse because Jimmy G and DeVante Adams, now
maybe they've kissed and made up, who knows. But go

(19:00):
back to the time in Vegas, Tamante Adams actually came
out and said this guy's gonna get me killed, Like
he actually said that publicly about Jimmy G.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
That sideline video is about as damning as you could
possibly have.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And he had to know he was miked up, or
at least there were mics on the sideline. I mean,
he's got you know, DeVante Adams is not a rookie,
he's a veteran. He knows those sidelines are hot mics.
You say something probably gonna get picked up, especially if
it's something viral like that. Now, I give these guys
a free pass usually for what they say on the
sidelines in the heat of battle. You know, we stick
a mic in their face thirty seconds after they literally

(19:33):
went to war. You know it just it's I give
them a little bit of a free pat. Things are
gonna slip out, and hopefully I'm assuming that Jimmy and
DeVante have had a chat, because Jimmy's got a lot.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
Of the first team reps during.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
Preseason, because obviously Stafford has been has been on the shelf.
The thing about Stafford mic is last year, this was
the handicap. I love the Rams, but can Stafford stay healthy?
He did for pretty much every game. Sam handicap this year,
like you almost forget that. The big issue with Stafford
over his career has been injuries. That has been the
only thing that has derailed him from And I think

(20:09):
he is a borderline Hall of Famer.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't know, what do you think Hall of Famer
for staff.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
Oh, he's got to be in Yeah, I agree, And look,
he also was hamstrung by the fact that he was
a member of the Detroit Lions for many a year.
Remember he's your favorite quarterback's favorite quarterback, no question about it.
But I mean last year was was a difficult run.
Right mid season, We're talking about a lot of those
guys getting dealt off and spun off to other teams,

(20:33):
including Stafford when you started looking at what the beginning
of the year was a number of injuries and issues
that they were having and overall, I mean, his numbers
were pedestrian, but he made plays when it mattered right
and they were able to ride. Kyron Williams, congratulations on
that contract and a young defense that plays as well

(20:54):
as anybody. I would say this for Jimmy G. He
will be playing in front of or behind him much
better offensive line than he did a year ago.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah right, I mean very fortunately.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
But I mean much better than what the Raiders were
putting out in front of him. So, you know, seeing
ghosts on the Las Vegas Strip is nothing new. For
all of you that have wandered the Las Vegas Strip
late at night, very early in the wee hours of
the morning, you know exactly what I'm talking about. Jimmy
G saw some of that behind that offensive line a
year ago. Now let's turn our attention back to the

(21:27):
Wonderful Land of Cleveland and Shador Sanders the latest Greatest.
We were talking about this a little bit and you're
on the group chat. I mean Bo Benson brought up
the the cult of personality that once upon a time
was Tim Tebow, so totally appropriate. His name came up
last segment, we were talking about the changes to the
coaching staff in Philadelphia, and there he is. But the

(21:50):
just the idea of a guy. No matter what he does,
there's going to be the cacophony of voices, the loud dissonance,
the pushback that something that you're doing, you're sabotaging them,
You're trying to take them down, and don't recognize greatness
for what it is like. No, we've got eyes, we

(22:11):
can watch as it were. And someone's still gonna have
to try to explain to me how this is.

Speaker 6 (22:17):
In his fall out of the shotgun on second down,
Sanders backpedaling, pressured again, spins away, now backpedaling. This looks
like Colorado Sanders sack back of the twenty three.

Speaker 7 (22:30):
So he's not getting the open receivers and he's starting
to develop drift back into some of his bad habits,
drifting back. There you have two negative plays that lose.
I can't even how many yards was that one? Our
great statistician right there. Twenty two yard sack. You can't
take a twenty two yard sack in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
There you go. You got the Browns radio network, I mean,
and that's Fox Sports Radio Alama Andrew Siciliano on the
league there as well. But one of those and you
saw a bunch of people trying to stand for him
going look at the effort by the off offensive lineman.
I immediately joked that. I told the guys here, it's
like bron Breaker Roman Reigns, whatever, what's he going to do?
Shoulder tackle the guy? That offensive lineman could have been

(23:08):
called for eight holding penalties in that twenty two yards
trying to keep him from getting killed the left tackle
as he drifted back and back. And it's a different circumstance,
and it's the right of passage. Has been my line
for all quarterbacks who were mobility and out running would
be defensive and sack or whatever it is that you're

(23:32):
going to be able to do, set your feet and
wing the ball down the field. Well, that doesn't happen here.
But yet that was another play indicative of well, the
man does no wrong. It's clearly everybody else, including our
own Jeff Schwartz, having to go into the idea of
folks arguing that the offensive line is not trying for
Shador whereas they do for Dylan Gabriel. They're trying to

(23:56):
be professional football players. I don't know if people understand
that nobody ordered a code red on Shood or Sanders
here either player. You don't. And look, I I liked
what he had to say after the game, right he
didn't come back in for the two minute drill that
ended up going to Snoop Huntley in the other side

(24:16):
of that game, you know they're able to finish it
off against the Rams and all would have been nice
to see him out there. And you can get into
all your conspiracy theories of what why how Stefanski didn't
want to want to or decided not to play him there. Uh,
and that's that's for Stefanski to uh to grapple with
and listen to the local media there. But all of

(24:39):
that to say, you know, he came out said, look,
I'm trying to make this team. Obviously I want to
be out there. I didn't know I wasn't, and then
I wasn't. And that's it, right. The conspiracy I think
ends about there. You've seen a very uneven preseason. We're
not there in the meeting rooms, we're not there at
all the practices and and for all of the the

(25:00):
extra So in the end for Shador Sanders, I think
it becomes curious because we've had the quarterback carousel and
we'll get to Isaac Lohankron here in a minute. With
a bunch of backup quarterbacks moving around, it's like, which
guy's the guy that gets sent to the Raiders, the
aforementioned Raiders. Is it Kenny Pickett or is it Shadar Sanders.

(25:20):
Before it's all said done.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I would well, first of all, there's two things there
with Shador. I remember during the season, during the regular season,
when the Raiders were in contention for the number one pick,
I remember doing a video doing a take about oh wow,
this is a good a good day for the Raid.
They had lost the game, or I think it was
maybe the Jaguars had won. I forget what happened, but
it was in the middle of the season and it was,

(25:44):
oh wow. If the season ended today, the Raiders would
have the number one pick. They're gonna take Shador, And
at that point we thought Shador was going to be
the number one quarterback coming out. He was projected to
be the number one pick in the odds market for
a long period of time until Cammore kind of came
on very late in the year. Actually, to be fair
to cam he was good all year, but the odds
market didn't reflect he was going to be the projected

(26:05):
number one pick until later in the season. And we
thought that Tom brady connection with Dion was very prevalent.
And make no mistake about it, Tom Brady is pulling
the strings here in Vegas. I mean he's more walking
around with the Raiders jacket.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
He is very vocal.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Is that actually Al Davis's leisure suit?

Speaker 1 (26:23):
He might be, but he is very much involved and
I would not be surprised if he continues to, you know,
have his hand in a lot of decisions. Now.

Speaker 3 (26:32):
I don't know exactly what's going on behind the scenes, but.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Just based off of what they've done, at least in
the personnel side, bringing in a very experienced head coach
and a very experienced offensive coordinator, I do think Tom
had his hands in both of those things. Shador getting
traded would not shock me. To your other point, the
takes on Shador comparing him to Tebow, seeing the you know,

(26:56):
the viral you know, I guess the just the anger
and the outrage of people actually thinking that the players
on the Browns are tanking in the preseason when they're
trying to fight for their jobs, just because they're sick
of hearing the Shadoor smoke. I think, and I've talked
to Jeff Another and rich Ornberger about these types of.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Things before, especially with Rich on the show.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
These guys are fighting every play. They don't have time
to think. Man, if I don't do this right, maybe
Chador gets a little bit undercut, and that's good for
me long term. Like they're just playing football. And you're right,
we don't know what's going on in the meeting room.
We don't know if there are are other things behind
the scenes happening. But Schador's performance yesterday was one of

(27:40):
the worst performances in the history of the NFL preseason
focus grade was absolutely brutal.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, I mean the point I was making with that
was the you know, you had the preseason game one
and immediately it's like, well, this guy should be the starter,
like no, I mean he struggled against the ones, the
backups came in and played well, made slit a bit
and showed you why you might have been higher on
your valuation. A bigger thing for me is you know

(28:06):
where he would still be third or fourth on a
depth chart is well, what's going on in meeting rooms?
What's going on in those you know, personnel groupings and
discussions with the coordinator, your position coach and Stefanski himself.
We have no idea, but for for Shadora, like, look,
we want stories like nobody is actively rooting to not

(28:29):
have another quarterback that's on the board, whether it becomes
the he's the latest in the long list of quarterbacks
to fail in Cleveland. So you know you get the
laughs out of that, or you know he goes on
to become a great it's good for business and in
this case just that sycophantic and nothing this guy does
wrong is is just silliness. Right, we had it in Spurts,

(28:52):
right Andrew Lack who took the L four for Stanford
yesterday as there what is he a GM? I think
they gave him that title now Jared, But like we
had it with him for a bit, right, he was
gonna be that guy. Trevor Lawrence got to do that
for about two years to where everybody was on board
and then suddenly became okay, we'll see what he does.

(29:15):
But you know, you normally get a pretty good short
run of those kind of things. But for shirdor Sanders,
that part of it doesn't seem to be slowing down,
at least to this point in the preseason. And look,
nobody's got grand expectations on the Browns, but in the end,
there's still a lot of jobs tied to this, to
making him or whoever the quarterback is look good and

(29:37):
for the offensive lineman, and we know what the tail
looks like for NFL careers. A lot of those are
linemen that are cycled out immediately.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Yeah, like what like, let's just dive into these because
I did.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
I went down this rabbit hole, you know, after I
was reading through the group chat this morning with you
and bow and I was catching up on that and
I was trying to wrap my head around just some
of these takes. Let's just dive into the conspiracy theory
for the moment that Kevin Stefanski and the Cleveland Browns
organization are purposely tanking their preseason games. When Shador comes

(30:13):
into the game and their third round pick Dylan Gabriel,
they are giving him the good plays and the good
place yeah, the the you know, the ones that are
going to work, and they're giving Shador all of the
bad ones. Let's wrap our head around this for a moment.
Public If your goal is to trade Shador, if your

(30:35):
goal is to get him out of town, you spent
a fifth round pick on him, so cutting him would
be a waste of a fifth round pick. A lot
of good players have been fifth round picks in the past.
If your goal is to make him look bad, you
are tanking his trade value, which means anything that you
might get back for him is now worse because you
gave him the bad plays and you made him look bad.

(30:58):
Tell me how that makes sense for me, Busy organization,
it makes no sense. If anything, you'd want it to
be the opposite. You'd want to give Shador the good plays.
Let's make Shador artificially boost Let's make him very frothy.
Let's make him look great when he's really not good,
so then we can get something back for him. If

(31:19):
I was a GM. That's what I would do if
I was trying to trade him. I wouldn't tank him
on purpose because I'm sick of hearing all of these
people talk about how great he is. That makes zero
sense from a business perspective. And make no mistake about it,
the NFL is a business, a very lucrative, high stakes business,

(31:39):
and they spend a fifth round pick on him. Now,
gms don't lose their job for getting fifth round picks wrong.
But if you are trying to tank his value, that
is only hurting the Browns bottom line. It makes no sense, Mike,
zero sense.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, but you know that's not going to stop the
cult of personality. And yes, I expect to hear Corey
Glover belting it out here in short order. Now it's
time to go over to the news desk. Will continue
across the great expanses of the National Football League in
a moment. But first, it's Isaac Lohencrown. He got to

(32:16):
call a win the other day. He's still jacked up
about it.

Speaker 8 (32:20):
I still am, and Mike and Jared, I'm also jacked
up about a really busy morning in the NFL. We
actually have a new non backup quarterback related development in
the last few moments, as in the NFL. ESPN has
just reported that the Kansas City Chiefs are reacquiring defensive
tackle Derek Noddy at a trade from the New York Jets.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
Now.

Speaker 8 (32:41):
Noddy played the first seven seasons of his career with
the Chiefs before signing with the Jets last March.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
The Jets have won the toss that are elected not
to play.

Speaker 8 (32:50):
Or at least election not to play deren Natty.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Anyway.

Speaker 8 (32:55):
The bitters of the Vikings have signed veteran Carson Wentz
to be their backup quarterback and have traded quarterback Sam
Howe to the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles
backup Tanner McKee presently dealing with a finger injury. Last night,
Raiders backup quarterback Aiden O'Connell broke his right wrist in
a loss to Arizona and we'll miss six to eight weeks.
Rookie sixth round pick Cam Miller presently next on the

(33:16):
depth chart bind starter Geno Smith. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers
are releasing rookie safety Shiloh Sanders. Sanders was ejected from
last night's preseason game against Buffalo for punching Bills tight
end Zach Davidson. We also have one Major League Baseball
game underway right now in Pittsburgh. The Pirates and Colorado
Rockies scoreless.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
In the top of the third.

Speaker 8 (33:38):
Mike and Jared back to you.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Appreciate Silo at Isaac Low and gron Where you find
him in the twitterverse. Find jareded at Jared Smith bets
find me over at so Walt Wing Dome. As we continue,
Let's take a trip over to Nevada and talk some
more about the quarterbacking situation. Pete Carroll now down a
man with that Aidan O'Connell news. What's next on the horizon?
As wee in the backup Quarterback Carousel, It's Fox Sports

(34:03):
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in about ten minutes from now, we'll take our trip
into the college football world. Jared's got a team that's
a top five squad entering the preseason. Can they live

(34:49):
up to the hype? He'll have to try to convince
me as we move forward. But going back into the
world of the National Football League will go around your
parts there in Las Vegas, Aidan O'Connell with the broken
wrist now six to eight weeks or longer. Cam Miller,
what is in North Dakota State. He is your backup
to Gino Smith. So I got to imagine that spy

(35:13):
tech Brady and Company. Once Brady gets out of the
next ribbon cutting ceremony for his latest card shop opening,
we'll get back to work about trying to figure out
how you fill that quarterback room. But certainly some early
trepidation and issues or is it all just hand the
ball to Ashton Genty anyway?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah, I mean I think if your backup quarterback is
your biggest concern heading into preseason, I guess heading into
the regular season now, I think you're doing okay.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Right, could be a lot worse, There's no question about it.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yes, yeah, like you can.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
There are plenty of backup quarterbacks that will likely become
available over the next week.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
We're going to see.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
A multitude of cuts. A lot of really good players
are gonna get cut. Like what's gonna happen with the
Bear situation? Right? Are they gonna cut Keenum? You know
that's a guy that could be available, right, he's been
a fourth stringer.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Well after signing Tyson Bagent. Yeah, we did a lot
of content on Tyson Bagent because Jason Smith during the
week just wanted to keep needling me about my situation. There.
We got plenty of time. We'll get to Ben Johnson,
Caleb Williams, the company. But yeah, in case, Keenum is
probably one of many that'll become available. And reminder of
the last five years, I think we're averaging sixty one

(36:30):
quarterbacks a year's start a game.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Yeah, and I think Tyson, you know what a feel
good story. Yeah, there's a chance you're gonna get some
like for example, I'll go through I'll pull up my
quarterback chart right now, and I'll go through some of
the third stringers that might be on the cut list. Right,
maybe Mike White gets cut in Buffalo, Desmond Ritter in Cincinnati.

(36:52):
I mean again, these are back please don't I know
these names are all like, oh my god, why would
you want to sign one of these guys?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's yeah, but they're making us nostalgic.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Though about Tampa? How about Teddy Bridgewater in Tampa?

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Is he gonna be the third stringer or are they
gonna keep Connor Bazilak, Right, the rookie from Bowling Green Like,
usually usually your third string quarterback is not a veteran.
It's usually a rookie who is on the practice squad
trying to learn. So you see guys like Kyle Allen,
Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Ellinger East and sticking in with the

(37:26):
Atlanta is another guy I could see cutting. He got
a start for the Chargers. I think last year Ripping
in Minnesota, Right, they just made a big move with
their backup quarterback where now it's Carson Wentz. So you know,
Brosmer might win that third string job and Ripping might
be gone uh keenan We mentioned in Chicago, Trevor simmeyon
in Tennessee. These are all What's what are the Saints
gonna do with Hayner as they're there? Are they gonna

(37:48):
keep Haynter as their third stringer? They're gonna go with
Ratler and Shuck and have a you know, a rookie,
younger guy be the third string. So these are all
third string quarterbacks that might get cut over the next week.
What are the Chargers gonna do with Lance? Are they
gonna keep dj who you know has had his moments?
Lance looked okay, you know I think that Frankly, that's
it goes back to the Shador thing. If I'm a

(38:10):
and I think the Jets did this a few years ago.
They had a bevy of quarterbacks on the roster, and
they pumped one of them up in the preseason and
then they traded him for like a sixth round pick.
If you are a team that has a third string
quarterback that can play is not like a complete you know, scrub,
you want to get him as many reps as possible
during the preseason. You want to make them look really good,

(38:32):
and then you want to trade him for a late
round pick on a quarterback needy team like the Raiders
who just lost their backup.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
So like, that's to me how you do business in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
One of these teams is going to have a quarterback available,
and I think the Raiders will sign well, I have
no idea who, but they'll sign with someone.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah, it's going to be a curiosity. I'd be remiss.
We're watching a little bit of a Penn State West
Virginia soccer game and we just saw LeVar Arrington, our
teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. They just shouted him
out on the broadcast. You're on Big ten network. There
you go. We were everywhere Penn State taking over looking
ourselves there. It is one of the great drops.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
That must be a fun five in the morning with
those guys.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
Yeah, a little little bit, a little bit loose. Yeah,
you used to do Sunday mornings with me and we
traverse the light. Fantastic.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
He's great, honestly, And I say this to a lot
of the people out there that are listening the talent
we have on this network. And I'm new, I'm the
new guy. I've only been here for a few years.
All these guys have been here for you know, a
lot longer than me. I've been welcomed with open arms
by so many really high end talent at this network.
The Cavino and Rich crew has been awesome. LeVar and

(39:43):
Jonas and Brady have always been very kind everyone. You
guys have been awesome. This is an awesome place to work.
You guys should really listen.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
There's our well he got paid to give that take
paid right now. Jared Smith Betts is where you'll find
him in the universe. You find me over at Swollen Dome. Yeah,
the carousel for third string quarterbacks. Curious what you think
of the Carson Wentz signing. That's where we'll pick things
up as we continue at Swollen Dome. Where you find

(40:10):
me Mike armand Jared Smith. Hour two coming up next
here it's Fox Sports Radio Greeting's welcome in hour two
of the program. Welcome in for another run here Fox
Sports Sunday, Mike Armon alongside Jared Smith in the uh
the Mini break, we got into an argument about poor things. Yeah,
now we get into movie christ and now we gotta

(40:33):
That's gonna be a jumping off point here. Jared, I
don't know if you've seen this piece of film work
that winning awards and everything else. Sam and I on
a divide, and then he tried to be go to
the pejorative after telling me millions of people listen to tools,
so you have to be wrong if you think they suck, says,

(40:54):
go watch your Marvel and DC movies. That was the
the argument about poor things to hit me with the
one that's made multi billions of dollars. It really kind
of failed for me, Sam.

Speaker 9 (41:08):
I mean, I know good filmmaking when I see it. No, great,
glad you brought this on the air. Mike Great, Well,
we had to because it was acclaimed movie. It was fantastic.
I saw it twice in theaters.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
There you go, No, no watch. But it's it's as
we always say, not everything's made for me or for you,
and we take it as we do. And that's the
sporting world as it is.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Rotten Tomatoes is poor things.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
So let that sp honestly.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
And maybe I'm I've never even heard of that movie
till you just mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
See there you go. Now you may for it to
your list.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
I need to, I clearly need to.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
See a lot of her naked so that's at least
one consolation.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Wow, Sam, please on the radio, dude, he added the
extra spice as it were. Here, It's Fox Sports, Fox
Sports Sunday, My Carbon, Jared Smith with you a little
bit of film and television and everything. You know, we
try to bring pop culture into our world. As we do.
It's more just day as we get ready for the

(42:13):
largess of college football Week one and the NFL just
we wrap it in a nice big hug and welcome
it back after all of these many months and fractured
viewing habits. As we talk about the summer season. Maybe
maybe baseball is not your thing, even with all the
rule changes and shorter games. Maybe the w NBA doesn't

(42:36):
get it done, or the Big Three or whatever else
you got going on. We all find some comfort and
consolation in the whistle, first whistle of a of a
new football season. So all of that to say, we've
got you covered. Countdown every Saturday and Sunday. Jared part
of the Saturday crew, with that kind enough to join

(42:58):
us here on a beautiful Sunday morning here at Jared
Smith Betts where you find and you find me over
at Swollen Dome and Jared We're talking a lot about
the college world, and we talked last hour the changes
the landscape of college football and trying to keep track
of it. Literally, you need the program perhaps more than

(43:20):
you ever did before, even with your favorite team with
the number of moving parts. But when we go conference
to conference and the larger scale you look and look,
college football plenty of fans, whether it's your conference, whether
it's your specific school, but on the whole, maybe regionalized

(43:41):
to where it doesn't get the national attention outside of
a few storylines as this season gets underway, but there's
no avoiding the fact that arch Manning is the story
entering the season, and a guy that has been well
deified by many before. He's really done a whole lot
in the college.

Speaker 1 (44:00):
Yeah, I think the arch Manning stuff, we need to
just ignore the hype and it's really hard to do.
But the one thing about Texas that that helps is
it's Texas, right, Like if arch Manning was playing at
another school, at a lesser name brand school, it would
swallow him whole. I mean, like, let's just say, and

(44:21):
this isn't a knock on Notre Dame, but or let's
just say, I'll go let's go all yeah, I mean well,
because Notre Dame has a little bit more of the
cult following, so that wasn't a good example. I'll go
with another SEC school that is at Like let's say
you put him on LSU with Brian Kelly.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
And don't get me wrong, LSU is a.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Name brand school, but Texas has this ore about it, right,
It has this kind of they have their own network,
they have their own this, they have their own that,
and he has this this name now that is superseding
all of it. But he's on Texas, which is the
kind of the the epicenter of college football right now.
And I think it's almost unfair that we put this

(45:05):
onus on him because he's barely played. Like it'd be
one thing if to put this onus on a guy
who was the returning. Like, let's say someone wins the Heisman.
I don't even know if this is ever gonna happen
ever again based off of how college football goes, but
let's say someone wins the Heisman Trophy and it comes
back the next year, that would be worthy of the
high Like that would be the hype level that Arch

(45:26):
is getting. That would be maybe worthy of it, and
even that might be a little bit too much, depending
on how you know, the circumstances of how he wins.
But we're crowning this kid before he's done anything. I mean,
And I got a lot of pushback for this, but
I I responded to one of Colin Coward's tweets a
few weeks ago, you know, talking about Quinn yours and

(45:47):
how poorly he has played in the preseason, and I
kind of took a I do this sometimes, I like
to stir the pod on social media, and I said, well,
what does that say about Arch Manning that he couldn't
even beat out Quinn for the for the starting job
last year? And I got, oh, well, you know, well,
they loved Quinn so much he you know, Stark was
loyal to him and all this that I was like, man,
loyalty only goes so far. Like if Arch was significantly

(46:08):
better than Quinn Ewers, I would have started.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
I would have started Arch.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Especially in the playoff when Ewers was battling injuries. He
missed a decent chunk of the year due to injuries,
and he wasn't one hundred percent. You could tell he
wasn't one hundred percent and he still got all the
snaps except for I think a couple of gadget plays
in Texas's playoff games. So if I just think we're
putting so much on a kid's shoulders, he has no

(46:34):
there's no way he can live up to it. So
we are already setting him up for failure before the
season even starts.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, that's been the curiosity to me. Right, we saw
a little bit and we can recognize that there's a
different style than his famous uncles in terms of how
he will navigate the quarterback position, certainly better legs and
get to the edge and whatever else. Not that that
Peyton and Eli didn't find their spot now and again,

(47:00):
as awkward looking as it might have been, but to
be the prohibited favorite, you know, with the number of
returning starters across the college of landscape, you know, it's
a microcosm or an extension or a permutation of kind
of what we did with the famous surname of Sanders
and the expectation. And I think some of the chaos

(47:22):
that's now transcended to the National Football League of that
expectation and that divide that's happened of there's no way
to just be pragmatic and rational about this. It's almost
like you have to pick your side as related to
arch Manning and what your expectations are versus I don't know.
I'd like to watch for a game or two, going

(47:42):
back to our conversation an hour ago of what college
football is in twenty twenty five of it's not a
fully formed and packaged anything. And right out of the gate,
he gets a huge test that coming out out of
that game next Saturday, the sky may be falling just

(48:04):
that fast.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Yeah, imagine he looks bad.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
And a lot of quarterbacks making their first real big
start as QB one going to Columbus to face the
defending national champs, A lot of quarterbacks would get a
mulligan on that one. All Right, you didn't win the game,
you had some nice plays to build on. It's one
game in a non conference on the road against the

(48:28):
defending national champs. Will let this one slide the way
that we built this kid up, that's impossible, Like, we
can't do that if they If Texas goes into the
Shoe and gets beat and it's a pick them game
right now, could go either way.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Who's gonna win? I would lean Texas.

Speaker 1 (48:47):
I think the replacing the coordinators for Ohio State is
concerning the fact that they are catching less than a
field goal on the road against the defending national champs
tells you that on a neutral Texas is probably the
better team, and I think that's a fair sessment to make.
I love I love Texas's defense. Texas has I think
the two best defenders in the SEC, Collin Simmons and
Anthony Hill. You might not know those guys by name,

(49:08):
they're not household names, but you will probably know them
by the end of the year. I think Ohio State
has the two best players in the country period, Jeremiah
Smith and Caleb Downs. But I think Texas has the
two best defenders in their conference, and they've got two
really good running backs Wisner and Baxter.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Probably the best.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Run game in the country behind Penn State. But that's
a tough game, and that's a game that we don't expect.
I don't want to call Archer rookie, but for lack
of a better word, he's like rookie being QB one.
That is not a game we expect a rookie essentially
QB one, rolling into Columbus to play well in like
we expect him to take his lumps, but we can't.

(49:49):
He can't take his lumps because his last name is
Manning and he's already hyped up to be the best
player in the history of college football. I mean, it's
crazy the amount of pressure we have put on this kid.
My question to you, Mike, if his name was Arch Smith.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
Would we be talking about this.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
No, But that's it changed, the surname, different guy, right,
Obviously you add just what we've seen for what four decades,
go back to his grandpa, who is not authorized to
talk for him. It doesn't seem like anymore.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
How was weird? What do you make of that? Well?

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I think it was. I think it.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Was just a little too high on the sauce that day.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Well oh wow, I don't know. I want to say,
I think I think to some degree, you know, you
try to get into his head on it was. Let's
not have that be the thing that is the over
no pun intended, arching story, the story like the start
of season there, you know what I mean, Like, let's
not talk about the NFL and the Saints or whoever

(50:54):
is going to be the number one pick or have
the number one pick. Let's just go and do this
college for both things. So I think to some degree
it was trying to tamp it down at least.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
That then it's like it then you bring attention to
something that really is not relevant right now, like who
cares if he's coming out or not. That is completely
irrelevant to what's about to happen.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
But that's what I mean, And that's for him. It
was the Hey, he's here, and he's like, this is
what we're doing in whatever.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, but wouldn't you say, hey, let the kids start
a game first, like let's get through the Ohio State game,
and then let's get through the next game, and then
let's get to the next game.

Speaker 3 (51:31):
Like that's it goes back to our original point.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
We are already setting this kid up to come out
in the draft, be the number one pick. All of
these things.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
He save a city, save.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
A team, like it's crazy and and I think I
would say, if I had to allocate a percentage of it,
I would say more than half of it, at least
fifty one percent. Is because his last name is Manning.
But the other part of it is he has a
considerable amount of height because of what team he plays for,

(52:05):
and because he was unable to win the job last year,
and viewers was in front of him, so it was
building up right like it's this delayed gratification where it
has been boiling over for a full year. Now. We
have heard now for the last two years, how good
this kid is. Typically in college football you see some result.

(52:27):
By that point in time. You do not see him
get recruited, come in, then sit for a full year
and then be the backup. It's a lot of patience,
and I think patience is something that our society doesn't
have a lot of. So before we even get to
the point where we can accurately assess him as a quarterback,
we're already getting his famous grandfather talking about coming out

(52:50):
or not coming out to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
It's just it's the.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Cart before the horse. It is that exact argument. And
can we just let this kid play one freaking game? First?
One game, at least one game, maybe.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
After the Ohio State game.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
If he goes in the Columbus and tears it up,
then maybe okay, wow, now he's got to come out, right.
But we haven't even played one game yet, Mike, It's crazy. No.

Speaker 2 (53:10):
The analogy I used for our society is so brilliantly
done by The Simpsons many years ago. At some point,
Moses Lack your trustee bar owner is trying to figure
out how do we boost business, and he starts thinking
about making it a family restaurant. Oh yeah, it becomes
Moe's family feedback. But he's bringing in a giant industrial

(53:31):
friar and he tells Homer, Hey, it can flash fry
a buffalo in forty seconds, and Homer goes, oh, but
I want it now. That's kind of where we're at
with all of this, Like I forget about the build, right.
We want act three of a movie, and most act
threes of films are not good. You know, the end

(53:51):
of a season once they've been extended and they've already
gotten the notice, Hey, you're gonna get a season two
of this show. Notice the last four or five episodes
before the finale aren't very good. Now they're just passing
time because they got the thirteen order thirteen episode order
for the next season. It's the same thing here. It's
like we want to rush to a Heisman trophy ceremony

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and then eventually Roger Goodell getting booed before announcing the
number one pick. Arch Manning currently plus six fifty or
plus seven hundred club Nick behind him nus Meyer, and
then it's a bit of a run down to Jeremiah Smith,
who's at ten or twelve to one, depending on where
you're looking at. And then Drew Aller at eighteen to one.

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I had to say the name. I had to get there.
That was the long winded way to get to your guy.
A lot of things you have to love about the squad.
Perhaps the perfect beast has been built, but questions around
the signal caller.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
I wouldn't bet on Arch or Drew to win the Heisman.
You want to know why? Why is that their defenses
are so good? What if your Penn State or Texas
you are trying to win football games. You know how
you win games. You score more points than the opponent.
Now there's two ways to do that. You can score
a lot of points, kind of like Miami last year
in Camp Ward, or you can prevent the other team

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from scoring.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
That's what I think Texas and Penn State are better at.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Grind it out and then just win your twenty one
to thirteen games or whatever and just be done with it.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
That is not going to move the needle in the
Heisman market.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
This is true.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
So my point being though, if you and that's not
to say one of those players can't win the Heisman, Sure.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
They absolutely can.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
But if we're making a bet in August that won't
come to fruition until December, wouldn't you want to make
it on a guy that you think has upside? Right?
This is how I approach the futures market plus six
point fifty on arch Manning is going to be there
even if he plays really well against Ohio State and

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Texas wins, what's it gonna go to five to one?
And you get all this information like, Wow, he's really good.
You get to watch him play. You actually, how about that?
What novel contententary before making a bet for Heisman? You
actually get to watch the players start a football game
that matters. Now, Drew Aller, we've seen some of it.

(56:20):
It hasn't been great. It hasn't been great. And the
one thing I'm sick of with Drew. To transition to
your other point, which is a very valid question, it's
not James Franklin that's holding back Penn State.

Speaker 3 (56:33):
We need to remove this.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I don't know how many people I'm actually speaking to
right now. Hopefully it's in the thousands, maybe it's a million,
probably not. We need to remove the big Game James
narrative from your brains. I'm pulling out the men in
black flashy thingy, and I'm flashy thinging all of you
from this James Franklin narrative. Remove it from your brains,
eliminate it. And I know foon Baum went on a

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show this week and bashed them and all this stuff,
and he has been an underdog in all of these games. Now,
you want to make the argument that he has not
elevated his roster two elite levels, and he has not
upset one of these teams that he should have lost
to the market said he was supposed to lose the

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points spread, said he was an underdog and he lost.
You want to make that argument that you want to
say that's the mark of an elite coach. You take
average players and you get the most out of him
and you're able to do above average things. I can
totally agree with you there, but that's not the narrative.
The narrative is he can't win the big Game. He
wasn't supposed to win any of those games. He had

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the worst team in all of those games. He had
worse roster in Ohio State, worst roster than Michigan. So
I just now the notre Ame game was a Tulsa
But you go back and watch that notre Ame game,
it comes down to three plays. Drew Aller was the
culprit in all three. He missed the wheel rout in
the second half that the dude was still be run
and he threw it into the stands. He missed a
simple flat route on the goal line in the first

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half which would have led to a touchdown, pens a
field goal instead. And then, of course the interception on
the last drive of the game. If any one of
those three plays, If Drew Aller makes one of those
three plays, Penn State's playing in the National championship game
against Ohio State, and then all bets are off. So
this narrative that James Franklin can't win a big game.
He won two playoff games last year. How many playoff

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games at Alabama win last year? How many playoff games
at Georgia win last year? Not too So, I just
it's Drew Aller. He needs to elevate his mindset. He
needs to play like a quarterback with a backbone. That's
the knock on Drew. He's a little soft. If he
plays better this year for the first time ever, Mike

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Penn State actually has the best roster. So the James
Franklin narrative I think hopefully will die this season.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
We'll see to type things up. Propstore dot com. If
you want to go buy that neuralizer you want to
do your go fund yourself estimate between seventy five and
one hundred and fifty thousand dollars coming up for auction
September fourth through sixth. There you go, Jared, you can
actually have your men in black neuralizer at your disposal.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Oh that's what it's called a flashy thing.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, well, I mean we tried to say the actual Yeah,
we gave it the scientific term. That's what we do.
We try to elevate the conversation. Here Fox Sports Sunday,
He's Jared Smith, I'm Mike Carbon. Coming up next, we
turn our attention to the National Football League. Maybe Jared'll
talk me off the ledge with my squad. Yeah, probably not.
We'll do that next on Fox. Everybody get that dance

(59:31):
party in Yep, you got it. Welcome back in it's
Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports Sunday, Mike Carbon alongside Jared
Smith having a blast with you. Hey, you can stream
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(59:52):
Sports Radio as one of your presets, just like you
would on the radio dial. So be sure to preset
Fox Sports Radio on the iHeartRadio app. It'll always pop
up at the top of your screen. I've done it.
I've done it for all of my family's phones. Maybe
you guys could go and do the same, you know,
grab ten of your closest friends and family, maybe make
a friend at brunch, whatever the case is. Expansion. The

(01:00:12):
other thing is remember this fights. Soon enough, we are
going to get back into where it's gift giving time
in our society. Whatever you celebrate, however you celebrate, maybe
someone's got a birthday coming up. It is the gift
that keeps giving twenty four to seven with all the
different channels, including Fox Sports Radio. How's that Jared good
sales job?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I think you are you can have a future in
the radio industry.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
You go and nut create a little hand drawn card
to tug at the hard strings, and you've given the
gift that just keeps on giving.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Absolutely even that at the jam.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
Of the Month club, I mean, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
Come on, I think I went to a book club
the other day where you know, we're trying to figure out,
you know, gifts to give people. You know, when we
get to the end of a book. Usually when you
get to the end of the books, like right, you
give out little gifts. Hey, this is what that's what
I'm giving out now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
I dig that. What was the book that you're finishing?

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
I read the Book of Enoch. I don't know if
you know what that I.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Do not Here you go. It's the sixty second book
review from Jared Smith.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Well, it's I don't want to give it away. It's
it's kind of biblical. It's actually one of the Lost
Bible books, and it's all about Enoch, who apparently was
like this prophet who had, you know, a good relationship
with God.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
And it's kind of spiritual.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
It's a little spiritual, it's a little bit more into
the uh, into the realm of the of the inner
of the inner workings of the mind.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
See, and that works out perfectly because we are here
on a beautiful Fox Sports Sunday. There you go, heading
to it from surface services. I mean, this is where
we fit in. We've used to get when we did
the Fantasy Show many years ago, we'd have notes from
folks saying, hey, my pastor's finishing up the homily right
as you guys took my start question so I'm gonna

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step out, or the guys that were writing from jail
seeking salvation from a different source. All of that to say,
we appreciate you wherever however you're listening, and there you go.
Of the Book of Enoch, I will add it to
my list. I'm currently reading a book about dopamine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
I've been reading a lot of non sports stuff lately.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I try to get away from I mean, I read
so much sports stuff, especially all the NFL preview college
football preview magazines. But during this time, I think it's
important to nourish the mind in other ways. So I
try to read and I've been getting really and I'm
full transparency, I'm Jewish, but I've been reading a lot
of Bible lately. It is very interesting to kind of

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see our ancient history. I am very fascinated with our
history and how we got here. It's something I've been
really into, Like I've been watching a lot of history documentaries,
reading a lot of Bible stuff, reading a lot of
ancient history type stuff. It's very interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Well, it's also prescient with the number of people predicting
the the and being nigh for many reasons. I always well,
but that's the thing. I mean, that's part of the business.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
How I get you act one way or another. The
end is near, so you might as well go buy
this car today. The end is near. You might as
well go and oh, place this wage around. The Chicago
Bears to win over eight a half games, or maybe
you shouldn't all right, after a sloppy performance, it looked
good in the box score. Right, if you just were

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box score reading, you'd say, hey, Caleb Williams had himself
a solid outing against the Kansas City Chiefs. Well, that's
not how Ben Johnson saw.

Speaker 10 (01:03:28):
It was not the start we wanted from from our
ones on really offense defense, we're special teams.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
It was.

Speaker 10 (01:03:35):
It was a little bit disappointing to see how how
slow we started. Defensively, we didn't feel like we controlled
the line of scrimmage very well. We gave up some
explosive plays, We had some some costly penalties, and you know,
we couldn't stop them they when they got down there
in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
So that wasn't good on that side.

Speaker 10 (01:03:52):
Offensively, first two possessions was was really sloppy football that
you know has plugged us in and out of camp
so far, and unfortunately that's that's what we got here tonight.
There was a number of things that we could have
done a better job of. We said, this is our
first time on the road and we were going to
find out what type of road team we were going
to be. And you know, if the first quarter was

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really any indication, it's it's not good enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
So we got to get better in a hurry.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Now I'll say this, I'll still throw something through my
television the first time that a tackle throws a pass
or or something crazy comes out of the offensive sets Jared.
But I do like the fact that you've got a
coach that's calling out accountability. There's not a lot of uh,
let's let's have some nice, fluffy, flowery language for anybody

(01:04:42):
or anything. I did it a bit with the Tyson
Bagent contract, and you know some folks took umbrage with that,
uh that it was, you know, going to incite some
kind of controversy. Uh certainly Jason Smith and I battled
about that. You can find uh the podcast uh there
wherever you get your audio. But when it comes down
to it, you know, the standards are raised, the expectations

(01:05:04):
are raised. This guy's been brought in, along with Caleb Williams,
to in theory, turn the fortunes of this long dormant
squad around. And I like that coming out of a
third preseason games, it's not all a well the end
was great? No, no, no, you got how was act won?

(01:05:24):
Did it play out? Well? No it didn't. And that's
the one that's going to matter when you get to
a week from Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
Yeah. I think patience is the word I would use.
This is a offense that is being completely renovated, ripped up,
torn down to the studs, and built back up. And
what I mean by that is just look at the
formations from last year. The Bears refused to utilize the

(01:05:52):
tight end last year. It was something that they hardly
ever did Cole Comet two and a half catches per
game for about twenty seven yards per game. That was
his worst numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
He was doing jumping jack saying I'm open, right open,
throw the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
It was absolutely awful. The Bears used a top ten
rate of three wide receiver sets last year in situations
where the Lions were using two tight end sets, and
I think that is going to be the biggest change.
You see a lot more twelve personnel for Chicago this year.
They drafted Loveland, they still have Comet. Ben Johnson loves

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using tight ends, absolutely loves it. The Lines ran twelve
personnel on thirty two percent of snaps last year. What's
twelve personnel? The first number is how many running backs?
The second number is how many tight ends? One two
one running back, two tight ends, which means you only
have two wide receivers on the field. Now, that's going
to be the intriguing part for Chicago. I think they
have three really good receivers. How do they utilize all

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three of them? More Dunes and this new kid, Luther Burton,
who looks like an absolute rock star. I think you'll
see Burden kind of be a gadget receiver to start
his career. They will work him in slowly. He will
be They will have certain plays and sets for him,
but he will not be one of the main receivers.
I think it's going to be more. I think it's
going to be a doonsay. I think you're going to
see a running back in the backfield, and I think

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you're gonna see Lovelan and Comet on the field in
at least thirty percent of those situations. Right, the lines
ran twelve personnel last year on thirty two percent of snaps.
They ran eleven personnel, which is one running back, one
tight end, three receivers on fifty five percent of snaps.
That means Ben Johnson had a tight end on the
field nine out of ten plays last year. Well, you

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got two really good ones in Chicago. I think both
of those guys are going to be big factors in
the offense. Now, the one thing that Chicago didn't do
last year, didn't run a lot of play action, didn't
run a lot of early down passes. Well, these are
things that Ben Johnson loves. Jared Goff last year ranked
number one in success rate out of forty six qualifying
quarterbacks on early down passes runs look like throws, throws

(01:07:54):
look like runs. That is what Detroit did very well.
They kept teams off balance on early downs. Third down
is very predictable. Usually when it's third and eight, the
defense knows you're throwing. When it's third and one, the
defense knows you're running. That's why we don't use third
down as a grade in terms of how predictable and
how efficient your offense is. Early downs tends to be

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the factor that is more predictive of how good your
offense is. Well, the lines were really good on early
downs last year. It was really difficult to figure out
what Ben Johnson was trying to do. The Bears were
the opposite. They ran three wide receivers on almost all
of their early down throws. If they came out in
three wide on early downs, they're throwing it easy to

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figure out for a defense. I think that's going to
be the biggest difference is Ben Johnson's ability to throttle
up and throttle down the mystery rate of what his
offense is going to look like.

Speaker 3 (01:08:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
The problem is that takes time, and time is not
a commodity that is very in you, a resource that
is very plentiful in the NFL. So my approach is
patience the Bears. I think the Vikings win that game
week one. I think that's a tough game week one
against Brian Flores in a blitzing defense. I think the

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early part of the season might be a little shaky
and the Bears might be chasing their win total for
pretty much the entire season, but I do think they will.
Like if you asked me week one to week eighteen,
barring injuries, I think you see a significant improvement in
the efficiency of that Bears offense.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
Yeah, I mean you go back to what they came
to camp with last year. Basically, he's rolled the ball
out for Caleb Williams. He made a lot of bad decisions,
but you had a bad offensive line. It all played together.
You can take the blame chart and do with it
what you will, But now you're totally retooling things. He's
being asked to do things he never had to do
usc and certainly things he didn't get asked to do

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a year ago. So retooling the offense all together. There
something bo and I were talking about, you know before
the show, as we're watching you know, the tape coming
out of this week's game against Kansas City, I thought
one of my favorite plays was actually the sack he
took when he stayed in the pocket, because in the
past he would have gone one one thousand, the hell

(01:10:05):
with this, I'm out of here, or tried to do
the scramble thing like we played the shedor Sanders minus
twenty two yard thing. Then you know last hour. That
was Caleb Williams a year ago. If it breaks down,
you know, do the Peyton Manning side of thing. You
ever have any of these toys? We had one around
the studio while it was a goat to where you
would press the button at the bottom and the legs

(01:10:26):
would collapse and then you'd let go of the button
and go ha, you jump back up. That was Peyton
Manning's career. It's like it's coming, take the legs out run.
That's what Caleb Williams needs to do. Live to see
another down and then move from there. You don't have
a lot of favors because you also have the AFC
north Is on your schedule. You talk about starting with

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Flores and then you look at a couple of the defenses. Hell,
even if you don't love the Browns. Miles Garrett is
a very serious person to have to deal with on
that old line and for Caleb Williams to make a read.
So yeah, I think the under on the win total.
But patience that doesn't exist, Jared, Come on, pragmatism, how
dare you?

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
I mean, I try, I'm trying here again. It was
It's really hard to.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
Change an offense like this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
I mean, this was probably one of the most predictable
offenses in the league last year. When they came out
in three wide and in shotgun, it was obvious they
were running it, or excuse me, they were throwing it.
They threw it eighty percent of the time out of
that formation last year three wide shotgun, eight out of
ten times they're throwing it. Meanwhile, when he's under center,
they're only throwing it forty percent of the time. If

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you're a defense and you know that when the quarterback
is under center, there's a sixty percent chance it's a run,
compared to when he's in the shotgun, there's an eighty
percent chance it's a pass. Do you know how easy
that is for a defense to diagnose? I mean, I'm
not a rocket scientist. I'm pretty sure I could call
a defense against those types of personnel tendencies.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
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coming up next, maybe for Jared he's been up a while,
it's almost naptime. Well, we saw an NFL star do that.
Will his teams sleep walk through twenty twenty five? We'll
talk about it next, But first it's Isaac Longron with
an update of what's going on in our sporting universe.

Speaker 1 (01:12:34):
Backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 8 (01:12:36):
Get your backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 4 (01:12:37):
Here, guys.

Speaker 8 (01:12:39):
That's been the story of this Sunday so far. The
National Football League, the Minnesota Items signing veteran Carson Wentz
to be their backup quarterback and have traded quarterback Sam
Howell to the Super Bowl champion Philadelphia Eagles last night.
Las Vegas Raiders backup quarterback eight and O'Connell broke his
right wrist and a loss to Arizona and we'll miss
six to eight weeks. Rookie six round pickham Miller presently

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next on the Raiders depth chart behind starter Geno Smith.
The Kansas City Chiefs are re acquiring defensive tackle Derek
Noddy at a trade from the New York Jets. Now
he played the first seven seasons of his career with
the Chiefs before signing with the Jets in March. Dallas
Cowboys cornerback tray Von Diggs has passed his physical and
has been officially activated off the physically unable to perform list.

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The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are releasing rookie safety Shiloh Sanders.
Sanders was ejected from last night's preseason game against Buffalo
for punching Bills tight end Zach Davidson. Baseball, the Pirates
have a four tozzing lead over the Colorado Rockies in
the top half of the sixth inning at Pittsburgh. Braves
and Mets scoreless in the bottom of the first inning.

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Other games just getting under way. The Baltimore Orioles hosting
the Houston Astros and the Phillies playing host to the
Washington Nationals, while Toronto is in Miami to take on
the Marlins.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Guys, all yours, jeez, A legend. Check him out on
Twitter at Isaac long Ground, including the call of that
win for Angel City the other day. Very exciting. I
think May ninth was the last w there, I loan
it was a long long wait. Now over, Yes, there
it is new life breathed in. Catch him there. Jared
Smith with me at Jared Smith Bets find me over

(01:14:17):
at swollen On and we'll finish up with the obligatory
Cowboys talk as we roll on here on Fox Sports Sunday.
Greaty to welcome back in Fox Sports Sunday at Fox
Sports Radio, Mike Carman, Jared Smith with you as we
close things out ten minutes from now. You got Hartman
and Husky getting after it. NFL preseason is finally in
the rear view mirror, all the leanings, learnings, cuts coming down.

(01:14:42):
We had a bevy of activity and the backup quarterback world,
including the return of Carson Wentz as he'll go and
it'll work in Minnesota. A lot of positivity there. His
childhood team all these things sell, sell, sell, this is
the guy, because well, if you Aj McCarthy sputters coming

(01:15:02):
off of a fantastic run that they had with Sam Darnold,
it still hits the ears wrong when I say that
Jared coming off of that fantastic run with Sam Donald
that you know folks always love the most popular guy
is is a well established backup, for lack of a
better term. So we've got that going. We're watching those

(01:15:24):
musical chairs. You broke down the myriad third chairs, third
seats that might move along the way. But we'd be
remiss if we didn't spend a minute on the nap
scene around the world from Friday Night. Micah Parsons, whether
it was for a second or well an hour, it's
captured for posterity, laying down Brian Schottenheimer saying, hey, we'll

(01:15:47):
talk to Mike about that and we'll handle it internally.
But given the vitriol, the visceral response to everything going on,
the caustic commentary of the PT Barnum of the NFL,
Jerry Jones, we're getting towards eleventh hour. I asked this,

(01:16:08):
I said this with Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals situations
like they were gonna stink with him or without him. Now,
I know you can grab some metrics and tell me
how good the Cowboys are, how much better they are
with Micah on the field. But in the end, that
defense isn't exactly tier one on the grand scale of things.

(01:16:29):
So what's he worth to an overall win total?

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
Probably about a half a win, maybe a full, but
not nothing more. Maybe I would say a half. Here's
the problem. Eberflus is running the defense this year. I
know you know that name very well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Yeah, we usually do the Pearl jam with it, Eberflues.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
So you look up the numbers on Aberflus. He spent
four years in Indy as a defensive mind. They blitzed
at the number thirtieth rate in the NFL during that time,
and they generated pressure at the twenty fourth highest rate.
Then in Chicago during his tenure, twentieth highest blitz rate,
twenty ninth highest pressure rate. So translation, they really struggle

(01:17:10):
to generate pressure and they refuse to bring extra bodies.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I don't know what that means for the Cowboys defense.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
I think Dallas has a little bit more top heavy
talent on their defense, but I think it's a thinner roster, frankly,
especially in India. They had some good defenses in Indy
during his time there. The bigger question on how Dallas
plays this year is Dak Prescott. It's always Dak. It's
always the quarterback. Sure, here's some numbers on Dak, and
this is a very interesting list of quarterbacks. So this

(01:17:39):
is Dak's tenth season in the NFL. He's a grizzled veteran. Right,
There's only seven quarterbacks in the NFL that are at
least twenty eight years old and being paid at least
forty million dollars per year in twenty twenty five. Dak
is one of them. He's thirty two. Stafford's the elder
state elder statesman at thirty seven. Then you've got guys

(01:18:00):
Off thirty, Mahomes twenty nine, Borrow twenty eight, Allen twenty eight,
Lamar twenty eight. So Thatak's the second oldest player in
this group. But he's tied for the fewest playoff wins
and as the worst playoff success of any of those quarterbacks.
He's also playing in the weaker conference in the NFC,
so two playoff wins in nine years for a guy
making forty mili in his tenth year in the league.

(01:18:21):
To me, that's what the Cowboys are. Now this year
you're getting a discount. Last year their win total was
ten and a half. This year it's seven and a half.
So finally, I think market expectation has come down on
the Cowboys where there actually is some upside to the over.
But Mike, you gotta asked this question, like forty million
for a guy that's been in the year in the
league ten years and clearly is not lived up to

(01:18:43):
any expectation.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Can he make magic with George Pickens or do we
get another subplot to the ongoing soap opera.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
I think you will see some positives and some flashes,
but I think the consistency will be the big issue.
And also, they can't run the ball. Javonte Williams is terrible.
Go look at the numbers last year in Denver. He
was brutal and now it's him, Miles Sanders, Jayden Blue
film offa Douce fon. That's your running back group for Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Good luck Eagles minus won fifty the implied odds, what's
at sixty percent? Commanders at plus two twenty five Cowboys,
it's plus six hundred, and then the Giants all the
way out there plus twenty two hundred. Jared for the division.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Don't bet the Giants, don't bet the Cowboys, don't bet
the Eagles. You can bet the Commanders if you'd like.
Very tough division to handicap. I don't think there's been
a repeat winner in like twenty five years, so that
would tell you down on Philly. But Washington's got Daniels
who you never know, with a tent with a second year.
But I think Washington has a chance to win that
division this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
There you have it plenty to go at. Jared Smith
bets where you find and find me over at Swollen
Dumb coming up Naxon's Hartman and Husky. Thanks for listening.