In the inaugural episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis, the guys discuss how the youth sports movement has evolved over time, parents navigating the NIL landscape, & MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning. Welcome to Project
and I L.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Now you know me. I'm Anthony Gargana with the Fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In fact, Fellas will be up, uh it's shortly after
this hour. Every Saturday, Fellas will be from six to
nine Eastern and uh before that we will dive in
to Project ni L. I'm Anthony Gargana with Danny D.
I want you to call him Danny d v A D.
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It's my main man. And a lot of you know
that I'm gonna I talk about it a lot that
I'm a dad and father of two boys twelve and
fifteen who play youth sports. So this whole world is
a wild one of youth sports and where we're headed
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from college and all the nil stuff now that's stripped
down the high school and youth sports. You know, my
kids play everything, and I know a lot of you people,
a lot of parents out there. You know the world.
It's a completely wild West. It's not like when we
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were all kids and played ball. This is a very
different landscape. And I thought better than each week in
thanks for all of our people at Fox Sports Radio
to help put on this show and I thought every
week would be fun to dive into it. I have
one of the best in the country from William Penn
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Charter High School in Philadelphia, one of the oldest schools.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Danny d my main man.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He built Saint Joe's Prep, which is a national powerhouse
across all sports, especially in football, and Marvin Harrison. In fact,
Kyle McCord just aup all the kids that came out
of his program. And so I thought, no one better
to take this journey because I pick his brain all
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the time.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So why shouldn't you. Good morning, Danny d Dad.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Cause appreciate you having me here today, and I appreciate
Fox Sports. I'm really excited to dive into this stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, listen, you're the perfect guy to talk to about
youth sports. You're the perfect guy too. I mean, I
picked your brain all the time when it comes to
all this whole new landscape and you're kind of in
the forefront of it all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, it's ever changing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And you know, I've been an athletic director for now
twelve years. You know, grew up in U sports, playing
in you know, in Philadelphia and being you know in
the rec centers and you know, going through that journey.
But it's ever changing and just in you know, my
short time is twelve years as an athletic director. It
changes year to year and it's truly changing now more
than ever because it's a business now, right. It used
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to be more at the where of it was just
to get kids out of the house and to you know,
have fun with your friends and and and that still
happens to some degree, but it has turned into a business.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, I guess let's explore the beginnings of this stuff, right,
and you know, today's gonna be more of an introductory show.
We're gonna we want a lot of participations from the audience.
We want to take you into behind the scenes of
the world. We'll look at some of the hottest kids.
It's always fun to see some of the next generation.
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And with the next generation, uh names that you're gonna
hear someday. On the landscape of college football, college basketball, soccer, baseball,
the whole thing, all the drafts, uh boys and girls
we'll talk about. But let's find let's kind of go
through the landscape a little bit. When did it When
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did this really start to take form?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
When when did it start to take form and you
became such this whole wild west of the business.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
So if you want to go back to when it
really when it started to change a little bit, I
would say when the AAU scene continued to grow, right
when the shoe companies really got involved in it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, So that's at probably about ten years ago when.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
AAU basketball, football seven on seven started to really develop.
And during that time, you know AAU existed previous to it,
but there wasn't a lot of money behind it, right.
It was more you had to pay your way, you
had to figure out ways. The shoe companies got involved, right,
they saw an avenue where you could get the potential
next top five players in whatever sport to be wearing
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your stuff and your power and have these relationships early on.
So you know, the eybl is the Nike basketball circuit, right,
there's the Dita circuit, there's the under Armour circuit. And
it really kind of started pushing and the free agency
kind of started happening where kids were playing for different states.
So that's when I first noticed it, and I thought
it was a little strange, but you know, I said, okay,
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you know this would be good. More exposure for the
kids higher platform. That was I think the first domino
to really push it to where we are today and
then to really where we are today is you know
when that started happening, training started coming in more and
more right, and then these U sports, these travel teams,
people started seeing, hey we can make money off it.
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Private equity businesses started saying, hey, we can make money
off of this. And then you know, COVID happens, and
the NCAA kind of opened up the gates and said, hey,
you know, we're going to allow you to transfer. We're
going to take away the transfer sitout rule. And then
shortly after that, NIL, you know, big court case happened
and NIL existed, and then that completely changed the landscape.
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And the main thing is they just opened it up
without really thinking I think long term, which I'm all for,
you know, kids getting paid, but they just took all
the They just opened the door with no parameters. And
once you do that, it's really hard to get back right.
Once you open the gates up and there's not really
guardrails on it, you can't really hone it back in.
And I think that was kind of a misstep the
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unknown and now you know, it's a bigger business than ever.
And I'm so happy that these kids are getting paid
because you know, you get a head start in life
and you're doing something you love. However, it's drastically changed.
It's had a trickle down all the way to the
U sports landscape, you know, ten twelve year old, it's
changed at that level.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know how many times do I
pick your brain about my kids?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And my boys Anthony and Massimo. Hey, what do you
think we should be doing here? And do you think
they should be training? And do you think they should
be specialized in everything else? So we're going to dive
into all those questions that parents. You know, I'm a
sports dad, so I've covered sports for thirty years. Dan, Yeah,
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and it's amazing. I covered big time college sports back
when it was rob Rod fat Last night, I was
at a high school football game for my son and
UH boys. Yes, big win for sat Augustine Prepp, and
I was talking to Frank Costa. Remember Frank Costa played
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for University of Miami quarterback and Frank, he's like he
was at top eight quarterback in the country and he'd be.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
A multi millionaireton today.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He goes, you know, it would have been dangerous for
me that if I had a million dollars in my
pocket and I was in Miami. But you know this,
this is not you know that these numbers that we're
talking about are not uncommon. I'm sure you've seen some
of the monster numbers a kid, the basketball player that
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is going to be yu we always talk about all
Now we see some of the friend fresh and with
the freshmen are making the quarterbacks that are coming in
and it's it's crazy, crazy money.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean it's wild.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I mean we just big examples that get to you know, obviously,
the top guys are getting four or five million dollars
in some sports and you know, you know, we saw
Dylan at Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
He's got you know, probably eight over four years. Like
so there's big deals that are out there. But the
average kid.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Right, if you're if you're going to a Power five school,
you're getting at least fifty k minimum.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
If I think that's kind of like the minimum.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It's like the starting ground grounds if you're just coming
in as a player. Now the position player that varies, right,
if you're a quarterback, obviously it goes up.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah, that's again twelve million dollars, fifteen million dollars. Right,
if you're an offensive lineman. The positions of need they put,
they emphasize it more. It's really like the NFL coming down, right.
You see how the NFL prices it guys out. It's
trickling down to these kids coming out of high school.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And you know, my bag, it makes sense too.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Write like Mike Lombardi, who is a longtime GM for
Bill Belichick, is that Carolina with Bill, and he's treating
it like an NFL salary cap, right, like you know,
we're gonna we're gonna put We're gonna pay our quarterback
assuming he's right handed. We're gonna play pay our left tackle.
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We'll pay edge guys. We meant, we'll pray, we'll pay
a corner top the knots cornerback. And they kind of
view the pay scale like the NFL dots valuing those positions.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, and it's it's again it's ever changing.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
So like when people ask me, I like, tell him
what it is today, but I'm like it could change tomorrow, right,
because it's something that came out with again little regulation,
little rules. So people were always finding ways to to
to rewrite this and figure out different path and finding
more ways to get creative. So like then NTABA put
on Basically they try to say, all r, we're gonna
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do a salary cap.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We're going to put.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Every school can spend twenty million dollars so the school
can physically pay kids. Now, before when NIL started, it
was through a collective, so a lot a lot of
people know this. It's there's a pot that was ran
either inside the school with some affiliation or outside the school,
and there was a pot of money which they got
from sponsors and alumni to kind of fill the pot,
and they would decipher this money out through all their
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you know, upcoming kids. NCAA said he all right, we're
going to take this in house since we're basically allowing
kids to be paid already, and they said we're going
to give a cap of twenty million to each school
to pay. But the collectives still are there, and the
collectives now just have to justify how they pay. They
have to say, well, we're paying this kid because we
think he brings this worth to whatever sponsor that we're
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going to get him with. So there's still ways to
go outside to twenty million, but the schools are held
to you can spend up to twenty million dollars now.
So then and again you have to spread that out.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Through all sports.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So some sports schools, if you really want to invest
and you don't have a football program, or you're a
smaller school but you have a big endowment, you can
get really creative, like the Vcus of the world in basketball,
like I know, filling them they are down there, they
don't have football, so that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Phil Martell, Phil Martel, mar Telly Jr.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, And they had a great season at Bryant, and
then they got recruited at VCU.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Great staff.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Ryan Dally, local guy, really really local to Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Great great staff. But it was it was a.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Very appealing job for him because there's no football there.
So his cap his ability to spend, you know, grew
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well you see, you've seen it in these other schools
that are kind of kind of leaning into programs, right
like leading into sports. So obviously football and basketball, you know,
are huge, but you can then go say, all right,
we're not going to go to the football route.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
We're just gonna go double down on hoops.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, we saw Saint John's you see the whole uh,
you know, the whole uh, the whole Rick Patino stuff, right,
and you know, in fact, he's got his own reality
show and discussing it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
In fact, he talked about something.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That I want to get into a little bit later
on about, you know, are they're not even recruiting high
school kids unless you're you know, one of the best
basketball players in the country. But we've seen it with
baseball programs, hockey programs, like you're in the NHL Draft.
You have a couple of schools that are all in
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on hockey. Penn State is paying hockey players. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And I actually spoke to one of my good friends yesterday,
Mack Griffin, associate head coach of buck Now and I
was just talking about a couple, you know, high school prospects, and.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
He's like, yeah, I really like him, but we got
to wait for the portal.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So, like, these kids are recruitment.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
If you're a low level Division I player, which you
know what happens all the time, you're a Division two
player now because or you have to wait really late
and see how things shake out, and you have to
kind of bet that things might fall your way if
you're waiting on that scholarship because they.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Have to work navigate the portal.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
They need twenty two year olds, they need twenty three
year olds. So it is trickled down to you know,
the money's great, but it's actually hurting the high school
recruiting scene because these kids that are Division one players
are so clueless on how to navigate and they want
this Division one scholarship. They're waiting, they're waiting, and it
really it's a crapshoot. They don't know how it's going
to fold. You know, they're waiting on the portal. See
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what kind of money these teams are given out. But
it's trickled down, you know, that's the Patriot League, you know,
So it's affecting every conference.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't imagine you know, a Power a Power
five conference or Power four conference and you know what
those teams are looking for and that sort of thing.
And that leads me to let's look at this overarching
question first and the trickle down, right, how does this
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all what's happening at the university level, how does it
affect you know, youth sports, right like, and perhaps I
mean how I mean, it's pretty.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Wild, it is, and in my opinion, it really trickles
down because the business aspect of it. Now people parents,
you know, these day or handles, these people see dollar signs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It used to be about getting the kid better, and
you know people latched on and you know there's people
that would do weasly things. But now it's ten x
because there's money earlier on. So people are chasing that
dollar so young. So people are trying to you know,
get in someone's camp at ten years old. You know,
they're like, oh, this kid's got potential. I want to
hang on to them, right, I want to be around them.
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And then parents see, well if I train or I
pay xy someone to train my kid, he has an
advantage to get money faster. Right, So it really now
it's still about the love of the sport, and I believe,
you know, people want it, but it's really pushed people
to see dollar signs it and it's it starts at
ten eight. You know, it's wild to see where it's
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really starting at. And it's it's a little scary, Well
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's scary.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
First of all, it's scary and that you know, I
don't want adults talking to my eight ten year old,
let alone you know.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Fifteen year old. I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
There's a lot of onus on the on the parents
to do a couple of things. One to have realistic expectations.
You know, you have to be honest about your child, right,
And we all dream for ourselves and our children, right,
you got to be careful not to live vicariously through them.
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And it's their world, it's their life. You want to
be there as a supporter, right. You want to be
there to usher them along if it's their dream to
play at at a higher level or the next level.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And then the other thing is you also need to
make sure that your expectations are in line. Like if
you know, you're a five eight guy and your wife
five seven, and you got a son who's a good
basketball player, the chances are he's going to chop out
at you know, five ten, five eleven, and he's not
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going to be you know, playing for Syracuse.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, and going with the mindset like let them do
something they love, right, and help them get education for
cheaper than it would normally be, right, I mean, that
is that's the goal for me. I always tell parents
when you know, I'm talking them at schools. It's like, hey,
I tell the stat all the time. One percent of
high school student athletes play Division one sports. Of that
one percent that get paid after that is one percent, right,
So you it's it's harder to to make it professionally
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in these sports than to hit the lottery.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You probably have better odds of hitting the actual lottery.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
So will I always try to school parents on that
and push them and say, hey, like, let's figure out
what's the best way for them to have the best
experience but also them up to be successful later in life,
because these sports are going to stop at some point,
and you don't want to be pushing them and training
them and things and burning them out. Like let's let's
have a let's think realistic about this, and let's have
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a great approach so they're able to have a great
you know, network to fall back on and have education
to fall back on, and stop chasing this twenty forty
fifty thousand dollars right early on. Right, it's great, but
that doesn't set you up for later in life. So
that's always my push. And again, I think I'm happy
the kids are getting paid. I just wish we could
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go about it in a more strategic way and had
a little bit more guidelines and parameters around it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, you know, it's again.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I was having this conversation last night with frank Costa
once again because he just joined us. He is a
plate for Ray Abbey quarterback in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I think it was late eighties earlier.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I think it was late eighties.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah. He Frankie is a friend of mine. His son
is It's really good, right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
His son Nick is at Saint Augustine Prep in New
Jersey and he's headed to Northwestern. So he had a
bunch of different schools after him and he got a
very nice payday. But we were talking about it. He's like, listen,
Northwestern big ten and it's a great school.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like you're walking out of out of Northwestern with that
kind of paper. You know, you're set up for life
through your degree. And here's the beauty. You're not in debt. Yeah,
in fact, you're ahead of the game. You've made money
by playing football. So whether or not you go to
the NFL, it doesn't matter. You're you're set up for life.
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Your path is such a big it's such a it's
so well positioned.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I could agree more. And also, while we're on Northwestern,
they got a Penn charter kid, they got the.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Younger mcgleinchey, Tom McGlinchey. He's going to play tight end there.
So he's a hell of an athlete.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
And so yeah, I mean when I talked to him
about his choice, obviously he had some other opportunities, but
his parents should know his brother is a professional athlete, right,
His brothers in the NFL playing for Denver Broncos. Right,
But they also know, like, hey, this is a great
opportunity because you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Know, he's not as big as his brother.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
They're realistic, and that's that's huge to have that.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
And look, if you sprout up and things work out,
then there's an avenue that you can you can transfer, right.
But at the core, I think it was a great choice.
And I think those schools that are like northwesterns and
a great example, I could see them growing a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They might not have the NIL.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Money, but it's a great school and a big conference.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah right, So yeah, all right, Well we got lots
to get to coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're going to talk to Rajah Bell, former NBA player,
The Sons and and we're gonna be talking to people
in the world, in the world of youth sports.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
His his son.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
In fact, he has three boys, but his oldest son,
Dia Bell is the number one quarterback in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He's going to Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So so we're to talk to Raja about what it's
like and kind of give some advice to parents in
youth sports. Well, we have so much to go over.
This is the inaugural hour, so we have plenty of stuff.
It's going to go by fast. Just be with us
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it's it's it's so much to unpack that we're gonna
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of go feel quickly a lot of different things.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We're gonna highlight kids.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I know that you have a list of the there's
five big time national football games between high school powerhouses
going on today.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, big big games today on the slate. It should
be a jam packfield. So the number one team in
the country, Modern Day on California, they have a huge
game this weekend and they're just loaded with you know,
big time commits. They have like the number one receiver
in the country.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're absolutely loaded.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But they're playing today, They're playing another California team, Sentinel,
and again USC commits. They're the field is just absolutely
loaded in they have kids from.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well matter Day, he's always had studs.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Oh everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah, just it's it's a wild wild you know, to
have all that talent on one team. So I can
just run down a few names. So they have the
number just Modern Days, number sixteenth, recruiting in the country,
number twenty twenty one, one hundred and twenty four, one
thirty six, and three and twenty six playing on both
sides of the ball. Tight End dranked sixteenth in the
country is going to usc They have the twentieth tackle
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on the country going to Washington. They have the number
twenty one player in the country as a receiver going
to Ohio State, number one twenty four receiver in the
country going to.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Ohio State as well. So they're absolutely loaded.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
And then not to you know, centerl on the other side,
they have you know, they have a Ohio State commit,
they have a Cal commit.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
You know, they're they're loaded.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
David tight ended, linebacker and cornerback all in the top
twenty two hundred in the country.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So absolutely love.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Let me ask you this off of these rankings, because
this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
How does first of all, it's rivals that does the rankings.
So there's a.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Bunch of different services, right, and they're and they're they
mimic each other, and again it's really tough to put together,
but they do their best, right, They're they're trying to
figure it out. So I don't always put a ton
of stock into it. But the top hundred usually is
pretty accurate in my eyes. It's really I mean, it's
so hard to get eyes on all these different.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Right, Like, you're not going to live whether they're two
or eight, you're not going to quibble with. You just
know that they're a big time prospect, right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, because they're going to Power five schools and they're
getting those offers, and those schools obviously know what they're
looking for, right, so they see the talent. So I
think a lot of it there's a bunch of different
you know, factors going to is what school's off for them, right,
That might just get someone on the radar a big
school offer somebody to like, oh this kid's got to
be in the top three hundred, right, he's got to
offer from Penn State or you know, Alabama. So I
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think they rely on coach's opinion.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
They try to get out.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
There's obviously talent evaluators that get out, but it's so
hard to see all these kids.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
There's you know, millions of millions, And.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That was this is my question to here, how do
you get noticed if you're I'm going to take a
kid from the Eagles who's a friend of mine, We
do what we do a show with him. Cooper Dejeen
who plays for the Eagles. He was a stud at Iowa.
He grew his town was nine hundred people. You grew
up in a farming town in Iowa, right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, you know, how does it?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And he's a great athlete, Like he dunks a basketball.
He's a safety for the Eagles. Now, I mean he's
a great, great player. He could play outside corner, he
could play nickel corner, and he could play safety.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Right, like he put twenty on him. You can put
him at linebacker.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yes, great tackler.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, but how does a kid like that if you're
in a small town somewhere nestled in the country, how
do you get noticed?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
It's tough, man, and that's what So, you know, we
talked about some of the cons some of the pros
of this AAU circuit is if you can get on
you know, on a state AU program, more a big
city AAU program, you can travel to it and get
more on the circuit for basketball and football to seven
on sevens, and so there is a pro of the
you know, it's an exposure that you can get, but
it's still super hard.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Right at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I believe they will find you. But I mean, like
a prime example, I tell people, you know, Steph Curry,
Dale Curry's son, Small Davison was his biggest offer and
then it doubled down. His brother went to Liberty, an
the NBA player. His biggest offer was Liberty. He ended
up transferring to Duke. Everyone sees him at Duke. But
there's two guys who father played in the NBA for
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you know, fifteen years, and they still were overlooked. Yeah,
they weren't seen, right, So it happens. I feel like,
you know, there are some people that still fall through
the cracks. But if when you're that good, they will
find you. It just might take longer than if you
had that initial exposure coming at bigger city or bigger
high school.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Speaking of it's a great transition because speaking of former
NBA players, we have Rajah bell I got a chance
to sit down with Rajah. His son DJ got three boys.
His son Dia is a quarterback. He's going to Texas.
He plays an American Heritage in Florida. He's American Heritage,
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another powerhouse. Who are they playing the bank?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
American Heritage has a big game today. So they they're
one and one. They came off they won their opener
against Saint George Prep. Huge, huge comeback for them. They're
now twenty eight seven. They came back in one thirty one,
twenty eight so big game for them. They lost last week,
so they have a big bounce back game this week
and they're playing a team from Louisiana. Ton of Lshoe
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commits playing Edna Carr, so big team out of down South,
a powerhouse at the according to Rivals, the rank sixteenth
and twenty fifth, respectively. And it's a big showdown, So
we'll see how it's going to break out. I've read
some stuff online that da might be injured, so we'll
see if if he's able to go, if he's not,
if he's not there, it's gonna be a tall task
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for American Heritage because.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, well he's such a terrific player and he's going
to Texas right like he's going here.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It is He's going to Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Uh. We had a chance to sit with with Raja.
Take a listen to a little bit of the interview.
There's gonna be more posted online again, There's gonna be
it's we're gonna go by fast. So we're gonna give
you a chance where you guys can get involved for
some supplemental content. But take a listen to a piece
of art interview with Raja take us through.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
The process of now choosing where to go.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
We have every every major program in the country is
looking at you, guys. It's a whole world of ni
L which is a completely you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Know, different animal, different beast than you dealt with.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, well we we decided like
my wife was a a I met her at FIU
and she was a All American soccer player and player
of the Year in college and stuff like that. So
she's got a great sports background in her in her
own right, and so together we kind of felt like
we wanted to you to try to pick you know,
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as as organically as he could, for the reasons that
we would have picked for back when we played, Like
where do you see yourself? You know, what staff speaks
to you, Who do you think you can be around
on a day to day, What town do you want
to live in, Like what's the culture that you want?
We and then the money, We'll get to that eventually
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because it is a part of it, right, But like
up front, that's what we focused on. So we spent
a lot of time and a lot of resources taking
his little butt around the country to see all the
places that he thought he could see himself. We double
back and go again, we get to know those people.
Uh and and and that was our process and then
(29:53):
we kind of let it. We let let do you
have his time? And and you know, we went to
bed one night thinking it was one school and woke
up the next morning he told us it was Texas.
And so we've been that ever since.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
That that had to be such an incredible uh yeah,
you know, and we're gonna there's so much to unpack
with that interview, and I'd love for you guys to
check it out.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So we're gonna we're gonna tweet the full interview out
so you could, uh, you could check it out because
he's got you know, two other boys that are basketball players. Now, Dan,
here's the thing, Riser Bell is a professional athlete, right,
so there's a there's a part of it that's in
the jeans.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And there's the stock.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I mean, when you have professional you know or Division
one parents, right, or you know people that you know
that athletically, it helps right, it's a huge up and
and to navigate that right, like he's been through it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Not so much daniel Er, but he's been through. He's
been through being recruited.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
He understands the things that are important right that people
might not see. Right, He's saying, like where do you
want to see?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
What city? Do you want to see her? What staff
talk to you?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
So that's great opposed to focusing on the money, right,
And that's and not every person has that in the
corner or that nowedge to to lean on. So his
son is very fortunate to have, you know, a father
that has gone through, you know, going through the recruitment
cycle and played professionally. Now you just got a text
from Yeah, so legendary coach Bobby d coached in Philadelphia's.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Soccer coach for for a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
He's listening today and you know he said in his stance,
he said, the problem is that what the culture is
these trainers and coaches and clubs, they really turned into
a true business. You know when he was growing up
and you know when he even coached earlier on that
they didn't pay a dollar. It was you know, U
sports kept you out of the house, and it taught
you lessons. It wasn't about a payday, and that the
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payday aspect of it has changed. You know how people
go about running these programs and how they are even
trained in some aspect. Right, So it makes you specialize,
it tries it gets you to focus on one spoort.
I mean, there's so much to six of the two
sport athlete kind of going wayside. And that's what But
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injuries have increased, right man, me and you've talked about
a ton and.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Where it's like these two the two sport.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It helps you stay healthy, it gives your body, you know,
a break in one thing, and it also helps you,
you know, grow strong.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Baseball, man, I see it all the time in baseball. Kids'
arms are are shot because you know, it's one thing
about And this came years ago. Lsu Ben McDonald don't
if you remember him. He was a pitcher for the
Orioles and he was a great college pitcher they and
they overused him. They were pitching them every three days.
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It was bad. But now these kids are being used
like that in travel ball and they're playing all year
round like they're really good ballplayers. Like you see pictures
coming out now because their mechanics are so good through
throwing ninety eight, ninety nine, we've seen one hundred and
all that stuff. But it comes with a price because
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you're just overusing your elbow when your shoulder can't take
all the all that all that stress on it.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, it wears you down and it's really really difficult
to sustain sustain that, and it didn't happen to injuries
like people like, why the injuries Now, it's because we're
overusing it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
We're just trying to focus on one aspect.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I mean, we talked to doctors on your show, and
you know they've come in and said like that, it
keeps growing and growing.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
The acls, the rotator cuffs, you.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Know, the Tommy John and these surgeries are so common
anymore because we're just wearing our bodies out where. If
you ask these pro athletes, almost all of them play
two sports. Now, I know it's easier when you have
that athletic ability, but like Cooper de Genie, right, you're
just talking about them. Big time basketball player, big time
football player, could have played Division one either sport. I
guarantee he'll tell you that helped him in either sport.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
It really helped him grow.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right, sit tight, because I do want
to Each week we're gonna I went audience participation and questions.
I'm going to start this week as a sports dad
and I want to ask you this whole world, the
money being spent and trainers and everything else, is it
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worth it for parents and kind of when they're you know,
boy or girl is eight years old and they show
a little bit of talent, what should they do? So
we'll have Danny d talk about that. Lots to do,
and then the Fellas will be up after that. We
are Project ANIL right here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome
(34:38):
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Speaker 3 (35:05):
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So if you have questions for Danny, we we're gonna
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We're trying to kind of figure out the flow of
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Speaker 4 (35:30):
Uh, Daniel underscore D five one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
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Speaker 3 (35:39):
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Speaker 4 (35:41):
You are Dan Daniel de Berdinas.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All right, so you know you got it, like you
got it, you got your help. Now let me ask
you all this stuff? Right, we have all these you know,
all this stuff going on and and trainers and everything else.
And in fact, a special shout out to our friends
US Russ who said, uh, I have a high school
junior softball player looking at D one and ai a options.
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We're all this kind of weird world, you know, especially
my I have a seventh grader who's a pretty good athlete.
And you know, like, what what should you get? Should
you get he's a quarterback? Should he get quarterback lessons?
Should you you go out of your pocket for places baseball?
You have pitching lessons and all this stuff costs a
lot of money, and people are going into debt with
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this sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, it's crazy, and I don't want, you know, I
don't want to come off thinking that these trainers are
are I think they're they have worth, I think they're
very talented. However, they're it's a business at the end
of the day, and they're trying to make money at
the same time. So my recommendation is, and I tell parents,
and I told you this too, and go to these
trainers watch with your kids.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Right, there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
You can do with them after the fact, right, and
you're then you're spending time with your kid. You know,
you're you're you're bonding, You're you're going over it. I
know it's not ideal. You know, they rather listen. So
one else saying I'm sure you can.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Attest to that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
These kids don't always want to listen to their parents.
But I think through the combination, the ways to kind
of really weigh it is going, figuring it out and
then doing stuff with them.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Right, not going as frequent as once a week, twice
a week. Some people are going.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Three four days a week, and they're spending one hundred
dollars a session, and it's you know, it becomes a
mortgage payment, you know. And I don't want to knock
these trainers because I think they have they're really talented.
But I think there's a balance where you can find
ways and ask them and pick their brain to be like,
what can we do on our own, you know, what
can we figure out different type of you know, ways
to approach it because.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't play that like you know, that's how they
make their money, and they make their money. It's their time,
right so time is money. It's like you're going to
an attorney. You have an arrowly attorney face. So I
get it, and they are very good, but I'm with you.
I think it's a great advice that if you have
some time and it's great bonding, that you can help
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them kind of go through it. I spent hours with
you know. I love it right now. So it's part
of my biggest dad. I was blessed to have two
kids that liked sports, right so that wanted to play.
So I always said, I'll never be too tired from
work or from whatever I'm doing. That if they wanted
to have a catch that I was always in and
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I made a promise when they were very young, and
I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Like whatever we're doing, you know, it's and that bonding time.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, you know they they were fighting all and and
they're stubborn, but especially my little one.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
But uh, but it's it's it's a great bond to
g at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Day for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And I again, like I know people might not have
the time and you drop them off.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
It might be you have to run around.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
But if you can go, I would say early on,
go and observe and see what they're doing with your kids, right,
don't just don't just drop them off and pivot from there.
I think it would be great to learn and then
try to do it with them on the own.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
What they're on you on your own.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah. Yeah, it is the world.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's I don't want to say good or bad, but look,
I think it's good that the kids are getting compensated.
Does the trickle down though, does it now become in
the high school or are we going to see high
school in IL? I know it's already started in some place.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
So most states have taken it all.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
So there's some big states that still kind of fought
at Alabama, Ohio, and Michigan or I would say the
biggest who haven't adapted it.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's in forty states in some.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Form, twenty in like where they can do whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Twenty states.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's basically and it is trickling and you can see it,
and more so in basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
It is where you're getting high school kids paid.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
It's a smaller number, it's easier, but I think it
will continue to expand where these kids are starting to
get paid in high school. And it's a wild it's
a wild thing to think about, but it's happening, and
it's a scary. It's a scary atmosphere and it's hard
to navigate, and there's not there's no precedent and you
know is not.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
We're doing it for the first time.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
So I mean, listen, I mean, it's great that kids
are playing ball, like that's the ultimate, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And in Europe it's academies in soccer kids are getting
paid at eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, it's Europe.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So wild.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Like when I go visit my family in Italy, my
job doesn't exist. There's no high school athletics, right, and
in Italy there's there's academies and their school right, there's
no there's no school teams there they Yeah, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Hey, we're up against it, Dan, I just want to
thank you. Great first effort, great first show. We're gonna
have a lot of fun with this as as the
weeks progress.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited to see
what the future holds for us.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Love it all right, everybody, Fellas are coming up next.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Thanks for having
Don't listening to Fox Sports.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning. Welcome to Project
and I L.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Now you know me. I'm Anthony Gargana with the Fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
In fact, Fellas will be up, uh it's shortly after
this hour. Every Saturday, Fellas will be from six to
nine Eastern and uh before that we will dive in
to Project ni L. I'm Anthony Gargana with Danny D.
I want you to call him Danny d v A D.
(00:34):
It's my main man. And a lot of you know
that I'm gonna I talk about it a lot that
I'm a dad and father of two boys twelve and
fifteen who play youth sports. So this whole world is
a wild one of youth sports and where we're headed
(00:55):
from college and all the nil stuff now that's stripped
down the high school and youth sports. You know, my
kids play everything, and I know a lot of you people,
a lot of parents out there. You know the world.
It's a completely wild West. It's not like when we
(01:16):
were all kids and played ball. This is a very
different landscape. And I thought better than each week in
thanks for all of our people at Fox Sports Radio
to help put on this show and I thought every
week would be fun to dive into it. I have
one of the best in the country from William Penn
(01:39):
Charter High School in Philadelphia, one of the oldest schools.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Danny d my main man.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
He built Saint Joe's Prep, which is a national powerhouse
across all sports, especially in football, and Marvin Harrison. In fact,
Kyle McCord just aup all the kids that came out
of his program. And so I thought, no one better
to take this journey because I pick his brain all
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the time.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So why shouldn't you. Good morning, Danny d Dad.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
What's going on?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Cause appreciate you having me here today, and I appreciate
Fox Sports. I'm really excited to dive into this stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, listen, you're the perfect guy to talk to about
youth sports. You're the perfect guy too. I mean, I
picked your brain all the time when it comes to
all this whole new landscape and you're kind of in
the forefront of it all.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Yeah, it's ever changing.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
And you know, I've been an athletic director for now
twelve years. You know, grew up in U sports, playing
in you know, in Philadelphia and being you know in
the rec centers and you know, going through that journey.
But it's ever changing and just in you know, my
short time is twelve years as an athletic director. It
changes year to year and it's truly changing now more
than ever because it's a business now, right. It used
(02:58):
to be more at the where of it was just
to get kids out of the house and to you know,
have fun with your friends and and and that still
happens to some degree, but it has turned into a business.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Well, I guess let's explore the beginnings of this stuff, right,
and you know, today's gonna be more of an introductory show.
We're gonna we want a lot of participations from the audience.
We want to take you into behind the scenes of
the world. We'll look at some of the hottest kids.
It's always fun to see some of the next generation.
(03:31):
And with the next generation, uh names that you're gonna
hear someday. On the landscape of college football, college basketball, soccer, baseball,
the whole thing, all the drafts, uh boys and girls
we'll talk about. But let's find let's kind of go
through the landscape a little bit. When did it When
(03:52):
did this really start to take form?
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Dan?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
When when did it start to take form and you
became such this whole wild west of the business.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
So if you want to go back to when it
really when it started to change a little bit, I
would say when the AAU scene continued to grow, right
when the shoe companies really got involved in it.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Right, So that's at probably about ten years ago when.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
AAU basketball, football seven on seven started to really develop.
And during that time, you know AAU existed previous to it,
but there wasn't a lot of money behind it, right.
It was more you had to pay your way, you
had to figure out ways. The shoe companies got involved, right,
they saw an avenue where you could get the potential
next top five players in whatever sport to be wearing
(04:39):
your stuff and your power and have these relationships early on.
So you know, the eybl is the Nike basketball circuit, right,
there's the Dita circuit, there's the under Armour circuit. And
it really kind of started pushing and the free agency
kind of started happening where kids were playing for different states.
So that's when I first noticed it, and I thought
it was a little strange, but you know, I said, okay,
(04:59):
you know this would be good. More exposure for the
kids higher platform. That was I think the first domino
to really push it to where we are today and
then to really where we are today is you know
when that started happening, training started coming in more and
more right, and then these U sports, these travel teams,
people started seeing, hey we can make money off it.
(05:20):
Private equity businesses started saying, hey, we can make money
off of this. And then you know, COVID happens, and
the NCAA kind of opened up the gates and said, hey,
you know, we're going to allow you to transfer. We're
going to take away the transfer sitout rule. And then
shortly after that, NIL, you know, big court case happened
and NIL existed, and then that completely changed the landscape.
(05:43):
And the main thing is they just opened it up
without really thinking I think long term, which I'm all for,
you know, kids getting paid, but they just took all
the They just opened the door with no parameters. And
once you do that, it's really hard to get back right.
Once you open the gates up and there's not really
guardrails on it, you can't really hone it back in.
And I think that was kind of a misstep the
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unknown and now you know, it's a bigger business than ever.
And I'm so happy that these kids are getting paid
because you know, you get a head start in life
and you're doing something you love. However, it's drastically changed.
It's had a trickle down all the way to the
U sports landscape, you know, ten twelve year old, it's
changed at that level.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah, I mean, you know how many times do I
pick your brain about my kids?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And my boys Anthony and Massimo. Hey, what do you
think we should be doing here? And do you think
they should be training? And do you think they should
be specialized in everything else? So we're going to dive
into all those questions that parents. You know, I'm a
sports dad, so I've covered sports for thirty years. Dan, Yeah,
(06:52):
and it's amazing. I covered big time college sports back
when it was rob Rod fat Last night, I was
at a high school football game for my son and
UH boys. Yes, big win for sat Augustine Prepp, and
I was talking to Frank Costa. Remember Frank Costa played
(07:14):
for University of Miami quarterback and Frank, he's like he
was at top eight quarterback in the country and he'd be.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
A multi millionaireton today.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
That's what he said.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
He goes, you know, it would have been dangerous for
me that if I had a million dollars in my
pocket and I was in Miami. But you know this,
this is not you know that these numbers that we're
talking about are not uncommon. I'm sure you've seen some
of the monster numbers a kid, the basketball player that
(07:53):
is going to be yu we always talk about all
Now we see some of the friend fresh and with
the freshmen are making the quarterbacks that are coming in
and it's it's crazy, crazy money.
Speaker 4 (08:07):
Yeah, I mean it's wild.
Speaker 5 (08:08):
I mean we just big examples that get to you know, obviously,
the top guys are getting four or five million dollars
in some sports and you know, you know, we saw
Dylan at Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
He's got you know, probably eight over four years. Like
so there's big deals that are out there. But the
average kid.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
Right, if you're if you're going to a Power five school,
you're getting at least fifty k minimum.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
If I think that's kind of like the minimum.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
It's like the starting ground grounds if you're just coming
in as a player. Now the position player that varies, right,
if you're a quarterback, obviously it goes up.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Yeah, Bryce Underwood.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Yeah, that's again twelve million dollars, fifteen million dollars. Right,
if you're an offensive lineman. The positions of need they put,
they emphasize it more. It's really like the NFL coming down, right.
You see how the NFL prices it guys out. It's
trickling down to these kids coming out of high school.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
And you know, my bag, it makes sense too.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Write like Mike Lombardi, who is a longtime GM for
Bill Belichick, is that Carolina with Bill, and he's treating
it like an NFL salary cap, right, like you know,
we're gonna we're gonna put We're gonna pay our quarterback
assuming he's right handed. We're gonna play pay our left tackle.
(09:21):
We'll pay edge guys. We meant, we'll pray, we'll pay
a corner top the knots cornerback. And they kind of
view the pay scale like the NFL dots valuing those positions.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
Yeah, and it's it's again it's ever changing.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
So like when people ask me, I like, tell him
what it is today, but I'm like it could change tomorrow, right,
because it's something that came out with again little regulation,
little rules. So people were always finding ways to to
to rewrite this and figure out different path and finding
more ways to get creative. So like then NTABA put
on Basically they try to say, all r, we're gonna
(09:59):
do a salary cap.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
We're going to put.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Every school can spend twenty million dollars so the school
can physically pay kids. Now, before when NIL started, it
was through a collective, so a lot a lot of
people know this. It's there's a pot that was ran
either inside the school with some affiliation or outside the school,
and there was a pot of money which they got
from sponsors and alumni to kind of fill the pot,
and they would decipher this money out through all their
(10:23):
you know, upcoming kids. NCAA said he all right, we're
going to take this in house since we're basically allowing
kids to be paid already, and they said we're going
to give a cap of twenty million to each school
to pay. But the collectives still are there, and the
collectives now just have to justify how they pay. They
have to say, well, we're paying this kid because we
think he brings this worth to whatever sponsor that we're
(10:45):
going to get him with. So there's still ways to
go outside to twenty million, but the schools are held
to you can spend up to twenty million dollars now.
So then and again you have to spread that out.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Through all sports.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
So some sports schools, if you really want to invest
and you don't have a football program, or you're a
smaller school but you have a big endowment, you can
get really creative, like the Vcus of the world in basketball,
like I know, filling them they are down there, they
don't have football, so that's a huge.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Phil Martell, Phil Martel, mar Telly Jr.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Yeah, And they had a great season at Bryant, and
then they got recruited at VCU.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Great staff.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Ryan Dally, local guy, really really local to Philadelphia.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Great great staff. But it was it was a.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Very appealing job for him because there's no football there.
So his cap his ability to spend, you know, grew
as well.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well you see, you've seen it in these other schools
that are kind of kind of leaning into programs, right
like leading into sports. So obviously football and basketball, you know,
are huge, but you can then go say, all right,
we're not going to go to the football route.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
We're just gonna go double down on hoops.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
I mean, we saw Saint John's you see the whole uh,
you know, the whole uh, the whole Rick Patino stuff, right,
and you know, in fact, he's got his own reality
show and discussing it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
In fact, he talked about something.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That I want to get into a little bit later
on about, you know, are they're not even recruiting high
school kids unless you're you know, one of the best
basketball players in the country. But we've seen it with
baseball programs, hockey programs, like you're in the NHL Draft.
You have a couple of schools that are all in
(12:26):
on hockey. Penn State is paying hockey players. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
And I actually spoke to one of my good friends yesterday,
Mack Griffin, associate head coach of buck Now and I
was just talking about a couple, you know, high school prospects, and.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
He's like, yeah, I really like him, but we got
to wait for the portal.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Man.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
So, like, these kids are recruitment.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
If you're a low level Division I player, which you
know what happens all the time, you're a Division two
player now because or you have to wait really late
and see how things shake out, and you have to
kind of bet that things might fall your way if
you're waiting on that scholarship because they.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Have to work navigate the portal.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
They need twenty two year olds, they need twenty three
year olds. So it is trickled down to you know,
the money's great, but it's actually hurting the high school
recruiting scene because these kids that are Division one players
are so clueless on how to navigate and they want
this Division one scholarship. They're waiting, they're waiting, and it
really it's a crapshoot. They don't know how it's going
to fold. You know, they're waiting on the portal. See
(13:25):
what kind of money these teams are given out. But
it's trickled down, you know, that's the Patriot League, you know,
So it's affecting every conference.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, I don't imagine you know, a Power a Power
five conference or Power four conference and you know what
those teams are looking for and that sort of thing.
And that leads me to let's look at this overarching
question first and the trickle down, right, how does this
(13:54):
all what's happening at the university level, how does it
affect you know, youth sports, right like, and perhaps I
mean how I mean, it's pretty.
Speaker 5 (14:05):
Wild, it is, and in my opinion, it really trickles
down because the business aspect of it. Now people parents,
you know, these day or handles, these people see dollar signs.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Right.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It used to be about getting the kid better, and
you know people latched on and you know there's people
that would do weasly things. But now it's ten x
because there's money earlier on. So people are chasing that
dollar so young. So people are trying to you know,
get in someone's camp at ten years old. You know,
they're like, oh, this kid's got potential. I want to
hang on to them, right, I want to be around them.
(14:38):
And then parents see, well if I train or I
pay xy someone to train my kid, he has an
advantage to get money faster. Right, So it really now
it's still about the love of the sport, and I believe,
you know, people want it, but it's really pushed people
to see dollar signs it and it's it starts at
ten eight. You know, it's wild to see where it's
(15:00):
really starting at. And it's it's a little scary, Well
it is.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's scary.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
First of all, it's scary and that you know, I
don't want adults talking to my eight ten year old,
let alone you know.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Fifteen year old. I mean.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
There's a lot of onus on the on the parents
to do a couple of things. One to have realistic expectations.
You know, you have to be honest about your child, right,
And we all dream for ourselves and our children, right,
you got to be careful not to live vicariously through them.
(15:42):
And it's their world, it's their life. You want to
be there as a supporter, right. You want to be
there to usher them along if it's their dream to
play at at a higher level or the next level.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Right.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
And then the other thing is you also need to
make sure that your expectations are in line. Like if
you know, you're a five eight guy and your wife
five seven, and you got a son who's a good
basketball player, the chances are he's going to chop out
at you know, five ten, five eleven, and he's not
(16:19):
going to be you know, playing for Syracuse.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Yeah, and going with the mindset like let them do
something they love, right, and help them get education for
cheaper than it would normally be, right, I mean, that
is that's the goal for me. I always tell parents
when you know, I'm talking them at schools. It's like, hey,
I tell the stat all the time. One percent of
high school student athletes play Division one sports. Of that
one percent that get paid after that is one percent, right,
So you it's it's harder to to make it professionally
(16:46):
in these sports than to hit the lottery.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You probably have better odds of hitting the actual lottery.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
So will I always try to school parents on that
and push them and say, hey, like, let's figure out
what's the best way for them to have the best
experience but also them up to be successful later in life,
because these sports are going to stop at some point,
and you don't want to be pushing them and training
them and things and burning them out. Like let's let's
have a let's think realistic about this, and let's have
(17:11):
a great approach so they're able to have a great
you know, network to fall back on and have education
to fall back on, and stop chasing this twenty forty
fifty thousand dollars right early on. Right, it's great, but
that doesn't set you up for later in life. So
that's always my push. And again, I think I'm happy
the kids are getting paid. I just wish we could
(17:31):
go about it in a more strategic way and had
a little bit more guidelines and parameters around it.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, you know, it's again.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I was having this conversation last night with frank Costa
once again because he just joined us. He is a
plate for Ray Abbey quarterback in the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I think it was late eighties earlier.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
I think it was late eighties.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah. He Frankie is a friend of mine. His son
is It's really good, right.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
His son Nick is at Saint Augustine Prep in New
Jersey and he's headed to Northwestern. So he had a
bunch of different schools after him and he got a
very nice payday. But we were talking about it. He's like, listen,
Northwestern big ten and it's a great school.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Like you're walking out of out of Northwestern with that
kind of paper. You know, you're set up for life
through your degree. And here's the beauty. You're not in debt. Yeah,
in fact, you're ahead of the game. You've made money
by playing football. So whether or not you go to
the NFL, it doesn't matter. You're you're set up for life.
(18:45):
Your path is such a big it's such a it's
so well positioned.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I could agree more. And also, while we're on Northwestern,
they got a Penn charter kid, they got the.
Speaker 4 (18:56):
Younger mcgleinchey, Tom McGlinchey. He's going to play tight end there.
So he's a hell of an athlete.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
And so yeah, I mean when I talked to him
about his choice, obviously he had some other opportunities, but
his parents should know his brother is a professional athlete, right,
His brothers in the NFL playing for Denver Broncos. Right,
But they also know, like, hey, this is a great
opportunity because you.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Know, he's not as big as his brother.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Right.
Speaker 4 (19:18):
They're realistic, and that's that's huge to have that.
Speaker 5 (19:20):
And look, if you sprout up and things work out,
then there's an avenue that you can you can transfer, right.
But at the core, I think it was a great choice.
And I think those schools that are like northwesterns and
a great example, I could see them growing a little bit.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
They might not have the NIL.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Money, but it's a great school and a big conference.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Yeah right, So yeah, all right, Well we got lots
to get to coming up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We're going to talk to Rajah Bell, former NBA player,
The Sons and and we're gonna be talking to people
in the world, in the world of youth sports.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
His his son.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
In fact, he has three boys, but his oldest son,
Dia Bell is the number one quarterback in the country.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He's going to Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
So so we're to talk to Raja about what it's
like and kind of give some advice to parents in
youth sports. Well, we have so much to go over.
This is the inaugural hour, so we have plenty of stuff.
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of go feel quickly a lot of different things.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
We're gonna highlight kids.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
I know that you have a list of the there's
five big time national football games between high school powerhouses
going on today.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
Yeah, big big games today on the slate. It should
be a jam packfield. So the number one team in
the country, Modern Day on California, they have a huge
game this weekend and they're just loaded with you know,
big time commits. They have like the number one receiver
in the country.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They're absolutely loaded.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
But they're playing today, They're playing another California team, Sentinel,
and again USC commits. They're the field is just absolutely
loaded in they have kids from.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Well matter Day, he's always had studs.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Oh everywhere.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Yeah, just it's it's a wild wild you know, to
have all that talent on one team. So I can
just run down a few names. So they have the
number just Modern Days, number sixteenth, recruiting in the country,
number twenty twenty one, one hundred and twenty four, one
thirty six, and three and twenty six playing on both
sides of the ball. Tight End dranked sixteenth in the
country is going to usc They have the twentieth tackle
(23:41):
on the country going to Washington. They have the number
twenty one player in the country as a receiver going
to Ohio State, number one twenty four receiver in the
country going to.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Ohio State as well. So they're absolutely loaded.
Speaker 5 (23:52):
And then not to you know, centerl on the other side,
they have you know, they have a Ohio State commit,
they have a Cal commit.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
You know, they're they're loaded.
Speaker 5 (24:00):
David tight ended, linebacker and cornerback all in the top
twenty two hundred in the country.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
So absolutely love.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Let me ask you this off of these rankings, because
this is interesting.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
How does first of all, it's rivals that does the rankings.
So there's a.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Bunch of different services, right, and they're and they're they
mimic each other, and again it's really tough to put together,
but they do their best, right, They're they're trying to
figure it out. So I don't always put a ton
of stock into it. But the top hundred usually is
pretty accurate in my eyes. It's really I mean, it's
so hard to get eyes on all these different.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Right, Like, you're not going to live whether they're two
or eight, you're not going to quibble with. You just
know that they're a big time prospect, right.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Yeah, because they're going to Power five schools and they're
getting those offers, and those schools obviously know what they're
looking for, right, so they see the talent. So I
think a lot of it there's a bunch of different
you know, factors going to is what school's off for them, right,
That might just get someone on the radar a big
school offer somebody to like, oh this kid's got to
be in the top three hundred, right, he's got to
offer from Penn State or you know, Alabama. So I
(25:00):
think they rely on coach's opinion.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
They try to get out.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
There's obviously talent evaluators that get out, but it's so
hard to see all these kids.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
There's you know, millions of millions, And.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
That was this is my question to here, how do
you get noticed if you're I'm going to take a
kid from the Eagles who's a friend of mine, We
do what we do a show with him. Cooper Dejeen
who plays for the Eagles. He was a stud at Iowa.
He grew his town was nine hundred people. You grew
up in a farming town in Iowa, right.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, you know, how does it?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
And he's a great athlete, Like he dunks a basketball.
He's a safety for the Eagles. Now, I mean he's
a great, great player. He could play outside corner, he
could play nickel corner, and he could play safety.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Right, like he put twenty on him. You can put
him at linebacker.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yes, great tackler.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Yeah, but how does a kid like that if you're
in a small town somewhere nestled in the country, how
do you get noticed?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
It's tough, man, and that's what So, you know, we
talked about some of the cons some of the pros
of this AAU circuit is if you can get on
you know, on a state AU program, more a big
city AAU program, you can travel to it and get
more on the circuit for basketball and football to seven
on sevens, and so there is a pro of the
you know, it's an exposure that you can get, but
it's still super hard.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Right at the end of the day.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I believe they will find you. But I mean, like
a prime example, I tell people, you know, Steph Curry,
Dale Curry's son, Small Davison was his biggest offer and
then it doubled down. His brother went to Liberty, an
the NBA player. His biggest offer was Liberty. He ended
up transferring to Duke. Everyone sees him at Duke. But
there's two guys who father played in the NBA for
(26:40):
you know, fifteen years, and they still were overlooked. Yeah,
they weren't seen, right, So it happens. I feel like,
you know, there are some people that still fall through
the cracks. But if when you're that good, they will
find you. It just might take longer than if you
had that initial exposure coming at bigger city or bigger
high school.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Speaking of it's a great transition because speaking of former
NBA players, we have Rajah bell I got a chance
to sit down with Rajah. His son DJ got three boys.
His son Dia is a quarterback. He's going to Texas.
He plays an American Heritage in Florida. He's American Heritage,
(27:19):
another powerhouse. Who are they playing the bank?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
American Heritage has a big game today. So they they're
one and one. They came off they won their opener
against Saint George Prep. Huge, huge comeback for them. They're
now twenty eight seven. They came back in one thirty one,
twenty eight so big game for them. They lost last week,
so they have a big bounce back game this week
and they're playing a team from Louisiana. Ton of Lshoe
(27:42):
commits playing Edna Carr, so big team out of down South,
a powerhouse at the according to Rivals, the rank sixteenth
and twenty fifth, respectively. And it's a big showdown, So
we'll see how it's going to break out. I've read
some stuff online that da might be injured, so we'll
see if if he's able to go, if he's not,
if he's not there, it's gonna be a tall task
(28:03):
for American Heritage because.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, well he's such a terrific player and he's going
to Texas right like he's going here.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
It is He's going to Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Uh. We had a chance to sit with with Raja.
Take a listen to a little bit of the interview.
There's gonna be more posted online again, There's gonna be
it's we're gonna go by fast. So we're gonna give
you a chance where you guys can get involved for
some supplemental content. But take a listen to a piece
of art interview with Raja take us through.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
The process of now choosing where to go.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
We have every every major program in the country is
looking at you, guys. It's a whole world of ni
L which is a completely you.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Know, different animal, different beast than you dealt with.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Yeah, yeah, well, you know, well we we decided like
my wife was a a I met her at FIU
and she was a All American soccer player and player
of the Year in college and stuff like that. So
she's got a great sports background in her in her
own right, and so together we kind of felt like
we wanted to you to try to pick you know,
(29:12):
as as organically as he could, for the reasons that
we would have picked for back when we played, Like
where do you see yourself? You know, what staff speaks
to you, Who do you think you can be around
on a day to day, What town do you want
to live in, Like what's the culture that you want?
We and then the money, We'll get to that eventually
(29:33):
because it is a part of it, right, But like
up front, that's what we focused on. So we spent
a lot of time and a lot of resources taking
his little butt around the country to see all the
places that he thought he could see himself. We double
back and go again, we get to know those people.
Uh and and and that was our process and then
(29:53):
we kind of let it. We let let do you
have his time? And and you know, we went to
bed one night thinking it was one school and woke
up the next morning he told us it was Texas.
And so we've been that ever since.
Speaker 8 (30:06):
That that had to be such an incredible uh yeah,
you know, and we're gonna there's so much to unpack
with that interview, and I'd love for you guys to
check it out.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So we're gonna we're gonna tweet the full interview out
so you could, uh, you could check it out because
he's got you know, two other boys that are basketball players. Now, Dan,
here's the thing, Riser Bell is a professional athlete, right,
so there's a there's a part of it that's in
the jeans.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
And there's the stock.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I mean, when you have professional you know or Division
one parents, right, or you know people that you know
that athletically, it helps right, it's a huge up and
and to navigate that right, like he's been through it.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
Not so much daniel Er, but he's been through. He's
been through being recruited.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
He understands the things that are important right that people
might not see. Right, He's saying, like where do you
want to see?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
What city? Do you want to see her? What staff
talk to you?
Speaker 5 (30:59):
So that's great opposed to focusing on the money, right,
And that's and not every person has that in the
corner or that nowedge to to lean on. So his
son is very fortunate to have, you know, a father
that has gone through, you know, going through the recruitment
cycle and played professionally. Now you just got a text
from Yeah, so legendary coach Bobby d coached in Philadelphia's.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
Soccer coach for for a long time.
Speaker 5 (31:23):
He's listening today and you know he said in his stance,
he said, the problem is that what the culture is
these trainers and coaches and clubs, they really turned into
a true business. You know when he was growing up
and you know when he even coached earlier on that
they didn't pay a dollar. It was you know, U
sports kept you out of the house, and it taught
you lessons. It wasn't about a payday, and that the
(31:45):
payday aspect of it has changed. You know how people
go about running these programs and how they are even
trained in some aspect. Right, So it makes you specialize,
it tries it gets you to focus on one spoort.
I mean, there's so much to six of the two
sport athlete kind of going wayside. And that's what But
(32:06):
injuries have increased, right man, me and you've talked about
a ton and.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Where it's like these two the two sport.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
It helps you stay healthy, it gives your body, you know,
a break in one thing, and it also helps you,
you know, grow strong.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Baseball, man, I see it all the time in baseball. Kids'
arms are are shot because you know, it's one thing
about And this came years ago. Lsu Ben McDonald don't
if you remember him. He was a pitcher for the
Orioles and he was a great college pitcher they and
they overused him. They were pitching them every three days.
(32:41):
It was bad. But now these kids are being used
like that in travel ball and they're playing all year
round like they're really good ballplayers. Like you see pictures
coming out now because their mechanics are so good through
throwing ninety eight, ninety nine, we've seen one hundred and
all that stuff. But it comes with a price because
(33:04):
you're just overusing your elbow when your shoulder can't take
all the all that all that stress on it.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Yeah, it wears you down and it's really really difficult
to sustain sustain that, and it didn't happen to injuries
like people like, why the injuries Now, it's because we're
overusing it.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
We're just trying to focus on one aspect.
Speaker 5 (33:22):
I mean, we talked to doctors on your show, and
you know they've come in and said like that, it
keeps growing and growing.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
The acls, the rotator cuffs, you.
Speaker 5 (33:31):
Know, the Tommy John and these surgeries are so common
anymore because we're just wearing our bodies out where. If
you ask these pro athletes, almost all of them play
two sports. Now, I know it's easier when you have
that athletic ability, but like Cooper de Genie, right, you're
just talking about them. Big time basketball player, big time
football player, could have played Division one either sport. I
guarantee he'll tell you that helped him in either sport.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
It really helped him grow.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, yeah, all right, sit tight, because I do want
to Each week we're gonna I went audience participation and questions.
I'm going to start this week as a sports dad
and I want to ask you this whole world, the
money being spent and trainers and everything else, is it
(34:16):
worth it for parents and kind of when they're you know,
boy or girl is eight years old and they show
a little bit of talent, what should they do? So
we'll have Danny d talk about that. Lots to do,
and then the Fellas will be up after that. We
are Project ANIL right here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome
(34:38):
back Project and Il.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
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Speaker 3 (35:05):
You could uh reach us on social media.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
So if you have questions for Danny, we we're gonna
open it up next week. It's it's a fast hour.
We're trying to kind of figure out the flow of
this thing, and uh, we're gonna be doing supplemental content
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Speaker 3 (35:26):
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Speaker 4 (35:30):
Uh, Daniel underscore D five one.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
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Speaker 3 (35:39):
I'm Anthony Lewis Gargano.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
You are Dan Daniel de Berdinas.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
All right, so you know you got it, like you
got it, you got your help. Now let me ask
you all this stuff? Right, we have all these you know,
all this stuff going on and and trainers and everything else.
And in fact, a special shout out to our friends
US Russ who said, uh, I have a high school
junior softball player looking at D one and ai a options.
(36:08):
We're all this kind of weird world, you know, especially
my I have a seventh grader who's a pretty good athlete.
And you know, like, what what should you get? Should
you get he's a quarterback? Should he get quarterback lessons?
Should you you go out of your pocket for places baseball?
You have pitching lessons and all this stuff costs a
lot of money, and people are going into debt with
(36:30):
this sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
Yeah, it's crazy, and I don't want, you know, I
don't want to come off thinking that these trainers are
are I think they're they have worth, I think they're
very talented. However, they're it's a business at the end
of the day, and they're trying to make money at
the same time. So my recommendation is, and I tell parents,
and I told you this too, and go to these
trainers watch with your kids.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Right, there's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 5 (36:51):
You can do with them after the fact, right, and
you're then you're spending time with your kid. You know,
you're you're you're bonding, You're you're going over it. I
know it's not ideal. You know, they rather listen. So
one else saying I'm sure you can.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Attest to that.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
These kids don't always want to listen to their parents.
But I think through the combination, the ways to kind
of really weigh it is going, figuring it out and
then doing stuff with them.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Right, not going as frequent as once a week, twice
a week. Some people are going.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
Three four days a week, and they're spending one hundred
dollars a session, and it's you know, it becomes a
mortgage payment, you know. And I don't want to knock
these trainers because I think they have they're really talented.
But I think there's a balance where you can find
ways and ask them and pick their brain to be like,
what can we do on our own, you know, what
can we figure out different type of you know, ways
to approach it because.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I don't play that like you know, that's how they
make their money, and they make their money. It's their time,
right so time is money. It's like you're going to
an attorney. You have an arrowly attorney face. So I
get it, and they are very good, but I'm with you.
I think it's a great advice that if you have
some time and it's great bonding, that you can help
(38:01):
them kind of go through it. I spent hours with
you know. I love it right now. So it's part
of my biggest dad. I was blessed to have two
kids that liked sports, right so that wanted to play.
So I always said, I'll never be too tired from
work or from whatever I'm doing. That if they wanted
to have a catch that I was always in and
(38:21):
I made a promise when they were very young, and
I love it.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
Like whatever we're doing, you know, it's and that bonding time.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Yeah, you know they they were fighting all and and
they're stubborn, but especially my little one.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
But uh, but it's it's it's a great bond to
g at the end of the.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Day for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
And I again, like I know people might not have
the time and you drop them off.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
It might be you have to run around.
Speaker 5 (38:46):
But if you can go, I would say early on,
go and observe and see what they're doing with your kids, right,
don't just don't just drop them off and pivot from there.
I think it would be great to learn and then
try to do it with them on the own.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
What they're on you on your own.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
Yeah. Yeah, it is the world.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
It's I don't want to say good or bad, but look,
I think it's good that the kids are getting compensated.
Does the trickle down though, does it now become in
the high school or are we going to see high
school in IL? I know it's already started in some place.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:19):
So most states have taken it all.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
So there's some big states that still kind of fought
at Alabama, Ohio, and Michigan or I would say the
biggest who haven't adapted it.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
It's in forty states in some.
Speaker 5 (39:30):
Form, twenty in like where they can do whatever they want.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Twenty states.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
It's basically and it is trickling and you can see it,
and more so in basketball.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
It is where you're getting high school kids paid.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
It's a smaller number, it's easier, but I think it
will continue to expand where these kids are starting to
get paid in high school. And it's a wild it's
a wild thing to think about, but it's happening, and
it's a scary. It's a scary atmosphere and it's hard
to navigate, and there's not there's no precedent and you
know is not.
Speaker 4 (40:00):
We're doing it for the first time.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
So I mean, listen, I mean, it's great that kids
are playing ball, like that's the ultimate, you know.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And in Europe it's academies in soccer kids are getting
paid at eleven years old.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Yeah, it's Europe.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
So wild.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Like when I go visit my family in Italy, my
job doesn't exist. There's no high school athletics, right, and
in Italy there's there's academies and their school right, there's
no there's no school teams there they Yeah, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Hey, we're up against it, Dan, I just want to
thank you. Great first effort, great first show. We're gonna
have a lot of fun with this as as the
weeks progress.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited to see
what the future holds for us.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Love it all right, everybody, Fellas are coming up next.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Thanks for having
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