Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & Daniel DiBerardinis talk Recruiting, NIL in Middle School & MORE!
October 18, 2025 • 40 mins
In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis, the guys discuss some recruiting aspects across the high school world, middle schoolers wanting to be involved with NIL money & MORE!
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Good morning, Danny, d.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
V A D. What's going on? Cause how we doing? Brother?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're good?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know we Uh, we're going to get into our
subject today and it has to do with recruits and
coaches and coaches that get fired maybe in a happy valley.
But before we do that, because we're just sports fans,
right and you are a sports fan. You got in
to athletics because of that, can we take a moment
(01:11):
to honor shohey Otani and one of the greatest feats
that we've ever seen in the greatest feet I've ever seen,
three home runs of the game, ten strikeouts and the dub.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
He's a specimen, and I mean it's it's crazy. I mean,
I know he's been quiet through his playoffs, but I
mean to have that ability to do that, it's I mean,
I've never seen it, right in my lifetime. And you know,
people say having with Babe Ruth, right, I mean it's crazy.
I mean to go three for three with three home
runs and then on the other side it just deal
(01:48):
like that to be you know, six innings, ten k's,
I mean two hits.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Never been seen in my lifetime, and I don't know
if ever to this level.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, no, we're because we've never seen a pitcher and
a hitter. Not since you know Ruth have we seen that, right,
So you know that back during that era.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean it was such a special thing and
a guy is just an absolute specimen.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I mean, maybe it changes.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It may maybe this becomes where kids, you know, for
so long people just focused I'm a pitcher, I don't
really you know, I don't take reps in the cage, right,
I I just.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Focus on pitching.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Maybe maybe it starts to move the needle a little
bit and kids, you know, try to be multi faceted
in baseball, like that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's funny because a lot of your best kids it's
either your shortstop or a pitching right and even from
a from a kid age, it is weird because you'll
see kids who you know can throw, who maybe not
be the best athlete, but it can throw so then
(02:54):
and they're not asked to do much. Although in youth,
in youth baseball, you know everybody's got hit you with baseball,
so you're you're looking to hit.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean, but he's not just a pitcher, I mean,
the dude throws a hundred, right, I mean, it's he's
he's not just he's not just as average a bag.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He's like, you know, he's an athlete too.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, if he's a forty to forty guy. It's it's
it's really, it's so impressive. And as a Phillies fan,
it's a little disheartening, you know, watching being so close
and playing him some close and than seeing them just
absolutely demolish the Brewers looking making it look pretty easy.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So it's hurts Mahart.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
A little bit, but as a sports fan, it was,
it's truly so impressive to see things.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Like that happen.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It is, it really is.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I just wanted to pay home homage to show hey,
it was awesome, man, incredible fitter. I was watching football
and going back on the baseball right because look, the
series is that you kind of know the dods you're
gonna win. So I was kind of going back and
then and then I caught the second home run, and
(04:04):
then like, I follow on my phone, so I'm like,
all right, let me let me see what are you
gonna do?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
He can't hit another one.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I was colame, Oh my god, and this wing is
I mean, it's so pretty man, It's just it is.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm a lefty, so I love the left guys on
the left side.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That's why you're a good golfer. That's why you're a
good guy. For your a lefty.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I'm a lefty.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You got God's gift.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I still met handed, but it's all left in sports,
right right handed, all left sports.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But you so you write and eat right handed correct.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, you know what's funny, that's actually the proper thing
because your right hand is dominant. Yes, so if your
right hand is dominant, it's your power hand.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It should be you should hit right handed. Yeah, because
if you think.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
About your power strength, your strength is coming from your
right hand. That should be your top hand going away.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, it makes sense, you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know, like it should be your your your hand where
your top hands are guide hand, right, Yeah, your bottom
hand is your power hand and it should be that.
And it's funny because it's the I'm like right handed,
but my dominant hand is my right hand. It's way
it's way stronger. But you know, your left hand you
got to garner as your top hand on a swing
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for your power.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yep. And it's not optimal.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
A lot of sense. Yeah, it makes a ton of sense.
But yeah, I've been it's lucky. You always get a
little vantage besctally in sports. You know people you know
you're you're in the minority, so you get a little
they're a little you got to figure you out at first,
so initially you get a little, a little advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
All right, So we talk about kids and youth sports.
To tie Massimo's right.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Hand behind his back, I love it because I wanted
him to be a lefty.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But it didn't work.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, I really me, but.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Worked out. It did work out for you.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's why because all those big nil deals that you
do on the golf course. It works, it works, all right,
Let's get into the program for a second, because there's
something that's gnawing at me and I kind of want
to I want your take on this and to figure
this out because one of the things I didn't think
about and I haven't thought about is when coaches get fired. Right,
(06:43):
So coaches get fired and it happens all the time,
and kids decommit. Well, now there's money involved, lots of money. Yes,
So let's take what happened the Penn State. The ultimately
collapse happened in Happy Valley. I mean, when you think
(07:06):
about it, and we put shockwaves through the world, through
the college football world where James Franckle gets fired on
Friday on Monday.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, it was crazy, and it's very rare at the
big programs like Penn State that happen mid season. But
sometimes you got to do it right. So it's very rare.
It's it's uncharted water for a lot of big programs
to make that move, but it happened. And I think
as an ad sometimes you just got to pull the
band aid off.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And when things are going down, I mean, if the.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Team's not getting up and you're losing games to winless teams,
and you know you're coming home on homecoming weekend and
you're losing the you know, teams that talent you're not
in the same building.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It's tough. So if you lose the team, it's tough
to get back from that. So I understand, you know
why they had to make the.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Move, But in today's world, the ripple effects are crazy, right,
So for cases like PSU, they lost a lot of recruits.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Even when they started losing games.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Right the twenty seven class where they had an elite
you know, they had a five start running back number
one in the country. He decommitted why they were losing right,
and they opened up his recruitment said.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Oh, I didn't even know that he did that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
He did that after they lost to UCLA. Wow, But
he's a twenty twenty seven. So for the twenty sixth class.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
It's interesting because some kids in certain states can start
getting paid in high school. So once you start taking
the money, it's harder to get out of. Those contracts
are even firmer than you know, the national attention.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So if you're if you're collecting the check and you're
in high school, I mean out of it now spurned
the people giving you money.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, agreed, So it's very difficult to navigate that, right.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
They did lose twenty six recruits.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
So some kids in some states you can't collect money,
have to wait till you get to college. Right, so
they have the ability to still, you know, get out
of their commitment. And you're seeing it happen. Some have
stayed some of the recruits. And Penn State had to
know that, right, they had to know that this was
something that could happen and will happen. Every power school
(09:10):
is going to be all over Power five schools is
going to be over their recruits and their roster.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It's just the nature of the beast. So it's always
important to you.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Know, to the vultures out they're gonna be coming in.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, you're going to be having assistant coaches, people reaching
out to their families.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's going to be it's the wild West out there.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I mean, I read an article the other day it
said there's a bit about one point nine billion in
NIL deals in twenty twenty five. One point five one
point nine billion. That that's crazy, and one point four
of it comes from direct revenue sharing with the athletic departments.
You know, two hundred and ninety million are coming from
(09:52):
these commercial and eye ideals which are coming from you.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Know, outside agencies or you know, part of their collective.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Two hundred and thirteen million of it is directly straight
from the collective. So it's there's so much money being
poured into this and to see these kids now trying
to have to navigate it when coach they're leaving and
it puts them in a different type of spot.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So depending on what player you.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Are, what contract you sign with these schools depends on
if you're able to stay or leave.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, you know what the issue is too.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That the new coach comes in and you know, if
they didn't they didn't recruit you, they may not you
may not want to be a fit for their offense
or what kind of scheme they want to run on defense.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah, I've seen it happen with high level kids, and
it's tough, especially for the younger guys because you don't
have tape in college to prove. So if the coach
comes in and you're not fitting his scheme, you got
to go down. Like I've seen it at high level,
I've had you know, student athletes that I was close
with in the last couple of years that went to
Power five schools.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
A coaching shift.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Comes in and he says, hey, you're not a fit
for my thing, my culture, right with my scheme, like
you just said, they have to drop down to two
three levels of college football and the transfer portal because
they don't have any tape. They were a freshman, they
might have red shirted, right, So you're going back two
years from their high school tape.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
So I've seen it happen for kids go from West
Virginia to Delaware, you know. I've seen it go from
high major programs to low and then you have to
work your way back up.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And that can happen, and Penn State does.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
They're in a unique situation where they have to make
a decision quickly because, like we talked about a few
weeks ago, there's only one portal. Now, there's only one
portal season. The spring is gone, so they have to attack.
January comes, they have to attack the portal. So they
need to name a coach as soon as possible. Once
the season ends. They need a coach in place because
they're going to live in that market and that's because
(11:52):
half their team's probably going to put their names in
it just because of the unknown, right they have.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So you're re recruiting your own player, you're recruiting players
from other areas, and you really have to, you know,
move quickly because there's a lot of money going around
and people they're taking deals, so you have to they
have to really put the pedal to the medal and
be on the gas for this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, we happen to know one of Penn State's top recruits. Yep,
and he's a defensive lineman, defensive end kid. The kid's legitimate,
I mean the kids. The kid's a dude.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, he's a stud.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He works incredibly hard worker, great size, very smart, intelligent kid,
and he's he's got tons of upside and potential.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So put me so obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, he chose Penn State because he really connected
with the D line coach.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yes, great relationship with the D line coach. And there's
a good possibility he stays right and he's you know,
his job is to key recruits and he he has
to show his worth for the next coach coming in
saying hey, I held on to my guys, right, Guys,
that committed, So I'm showing my worth.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
This is why you should keep me around, right.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Or even showing for his next job. Hey, I was
able to hold on during this, you know, transition. I
was still able to hold on the X, Y, and Z.
So the coaches there are working incredibly hard because it's
on them, and you know, hopefully people.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Are picking more than just a coach.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I know fit is a lot, but also you're you're
looking like we talked about and then Roger's interview, you're
looking about feel.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
You're talking about the environment, what you're doing in the.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Off season, how close it is to where you live,
and you know, coming back and seeing your family, like
all a lot of these factors come into play. And
as a Philly guy, he's staying put. He said it
was my dream school. It had a great major. He's
thinking down the line. You know, he wanted to work
in the business side. He loved what the school had
to offer academically, and you.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Know it fit for what his family wanted. So they're
staying put for now.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Doesn't mean they're definitely going to stay put for long haul,
but for now they're saying, we're staying.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, and you know what the recruiting process is so interesting,
and there's gonna be other schools that could offer you
more money, but you do have to find the right
fit academically. What you want to be in life is
a huge factor. And you know, you know, like you said,
(14:22):
proximity or just get your overall happiness and contentment.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I was lucky enough to be involved in his process
a little bit, and because I know the family and
he's a great kid. But also I preach that stuff
to him, you know, I tell everybody I want kids
to follow dreams, to get their dreams.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And I say the stat all the time.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
One percent of high school athletes become Division one athletes
and one percent of that Division one athletes become professional athletes.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So you're in a you know, the odds are hitting
the lottery.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Right, So you have to be very creative and selective
and strategic about what you're doing during this process, and
you have to think about, you know, your longevity of
your life, and you have to go to programs that
are going to set you up for life and have
a great network. And I really stress that to them
during the process. It's not just about the money, right
because to go to Penn State, some of these.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Power five lower schools now there.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Philosophy is we have to outbid them early so we
can get them, like we're never going to give them
that big raise, but hopefully we can just get them
for two years.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
We'll outbid them early on.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Right, Penn State, the bigger schools say, hey, we might
not outbid you early on, but we have the potential
if you come here and prove yourself, we can pay
you ten X.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So I kind of he turned down more money to
go to Penn State and then I ill deals to
go to Penn State to be a part of that
program because he was playing the long game. And I
try to stress that to all the student athletes that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I work with through this process.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, it's smart, it really is. Alex Askell is.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The player's name, and he's a great kid. But getting
back to what you do, is there any other way
does that come into play with an agent? Like, you know,
should kids that you have the NIL agents and you
have U you know, regular agents that do deals for
(16:11):
you know, professional teams and that sort of thing. Who
we're now getting involved in the NIL space?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
How important?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Because I guess they're not regulars like they can have
anybody kind of do their deals.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, it's it's kind of wild, you know when you
and even in the NFL it's changed a little bit,
but you used to have to you know, most times
it was lawyers, right, you had to do contract law.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
They kind of got away from that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Now you have to pass a test to kind of
prove yourself in professional sports.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But it's not like a law degree is not required.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
It's a lot easier to become an agent, right, and
especially in the NIL world that can anyone could represent you.
There's because again they kind of open this up. There's
not a lot of parameters around it. Someone from your
family could be your NIL agent, right. So I think
there's people who are out of seeing the money.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
We just talked about a one point nine billion and
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Alone in NIL deals.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So it's such a booming industry. People are trying to
specialize in it, and I think it's important to get help,
right and at the end of the day, someone you
trust and not just going to say, hey, go get
the most money because that I get a higher percentage
of what's coming in, but someone that's again showing you
all the avenues and showing you the long term play
and weighing your options and having someone that you can
(17:29):
love and respect. But also the big agencies are seeing
this and they're trying to get involved now. So it's
kind of a mad dash to this nil game and
seeing who can cement themselves in it. But there's people
who are specializing strictly in ANIL and I think more
professional guys who have NFL guys are coming down or
you know, NBA guys are coming down to get in
(17:51):
this game and figure out how to be in this
billion dollar industry.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, it's it's utterly wild, it really is, and it
just it's interesting, you know, the ripple effects to all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
So who's the next coach? Right? So Indiana locks up Signetti.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So Signetti is the hot name, right, like Signetti has
is often this amazing start.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Indiana has had, you know, an amazing year last year.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So they get ahead of it and they give him
a boatload back up the truck to keep Signetti. Yeah,
they backed it and he's right now, you know. Matt
Ruhle is another one that has been linked to Penn
State because he was walking on there.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He met his wife there, he started his coaching career there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So you know, the A D at Penn State was
the A D at Temple where he started, and so
there's a lot of there's a lot of roots. I mean,
we do a podcast together, so full disclosure. He he
you know, he's always talked about Penn State beings dream job.
Now he loves Nebraska and you know he's been rejuvenated.
(19:06):
He's in the middle of a build in Nebraska, right
He's got a sophomore quarterback who's legitimate. They lost last
night and it was not good. But there's all kinds
of rumors around there, and like you know, I mean,
some of it's probably really and I know he's probably
got I don't know if it's if it's on the
table or if they talked or any of that stuff.
(19:28):
But I know he's trying to focus, like he wants
to focus on his job, but it's in the back.
I'm sure it's in the back of his mind. Meanwhile,
you got kids everywhere, right, Like, you got a whole
program in Nebraska, you got stuff going on to Penn State.
They need to have, like you said, someone in place,
and that means to go poach another coach.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah, it's difficult, you know, because he's not gonna get
away from it, right, They're not gonna People are not
gonna stop asking him about it. Even if he says no,
I'm happy and I'm staying because he has the ties
and it's been a name as foo. So it's difficult,
and you his job is really tough right now because
he loves where he's at. They were great to him.
They're giving him a lot of support. Right Nebraska is
all in on Matt. But there's no way even if
(20:11):
he says.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, they're going to stop until Penn State hires a.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Coach and that just you know, it seeks into the
program and kids are gonna be like, what's next, Right,
They're gonna so to really keep them focused and locked in.
He's got a tall task ahead of them. And I'm
a huge fan. I think he does a great job.
So I'm hopefully he can really, you know, continue to
build his program and hopefully you know, drowned out this
outside noise and they lock in and they can finish
(20:35):
the season strong. Regardless of how what he's gonna do next.
But he's got a tall test because he didn't ask
for this, right, The Braska didn't ask for this. But
you know, I'm sure there's people calling his top players like, hey,
that's gonna be leaving right, trying to you know, start
this narrative to really get the ball wrong. It's it's
a crazy world. Like you said, the vultures are circling
and when they see it, they're gonna they're they're gonna circle,
(20:57):
and they're gonna try to poach all these kids. And
and it's act when they can so again with all
this money and play, even for the coaching side and
the player side, it's such a it's such a different game,
and you know it's colleges is just different.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And like the big question for me is like what's
the competitive.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And balance now for like these smaller schools that are
trying to fight in right, Like, how how do they
sustain this?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So we don't know now, but we'll see in the future.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yep, all right, let's take a quick te you we'll
come right back. There was a lawsuit project nil Ohio,
so we got to talk about that. Uh, and also
the trickle down effect as to suddenly middle school kids
I hear it are talking about their next to be sponsored.
(21:44):
These are children, correct, I know, my my little one
does that. Yeah, he's talking at il deals. God, just
go to practice. Be quiet, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Come on, Mith, let's lock in baby, Come.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
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Speaker 3 (23:39):
Jamiir Brown, who's at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Recruit Ohio State commit, and his family a final lawsuit
against the Ohio A High School Athletic Association, claiming it's
banned on nil violates his right to earn income and
express himself. Shock Waves tell us about it.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Filed Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
He's the number one wide receiver ranked in the country
in the twenty twenty se figures.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
She goes to wide receiver You oh.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Actually naturally so He's currently a junior at Wayne High
School in Ohio. He converbally committed to Ohio State receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
You as me and you like to say it. They
pump out NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Guys every year, but yeah, it's Ohio is one of
the few states left that doesn't let any type of nil.
Some states, a majority of states have adapted in some
sort of way. This state is the is one that
is still firmly against no in il in high school.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And the lawsuit was, you know, filed. They're just saying,
you know, we're getting by.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The family actually said, hey, we're getting by, but like
at this level, right, he's in that one percentile, Right,
he's a top ten recruit in the country, regardless of position.
So they're saying, you know, to travel and to do
these things, it's for him to grow his network.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We're not.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
We're you know, this law in their state prohibiting them
to make money in high school is really you know,
unconstitutional and taking away his ability to make money and
help our family, you know, get him to the next level.
So it's it's gonna be interesting to see how it
plays out. I've read that they could possibly have an
emergency hearing in the coming weeks to kind of rule
(25:22):
on this. The family and their complaints. They said, like
he's missing out on at least one hundred thousand dollars
a year, and they said, you know there's trading card
deals that they showed in the court documents that they're
being offered.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They're talking, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
My god, that's the other thing, like the collectibles world.
He's a world, right, because it's always a bit about
the rookie card. Right, Oh, let's get the rookie card. Well,
now if you can have the you know, imagine that
Tom Brady seventh grade card. I mean, you know, like
(25:54):
the world. But they're not wrong. There is real dollars there.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah, And they presented in their documents like, hey, we've
been offered deals with you know, memorabilia companies. Right, so
they have some documentation, you know, to back up their
claim that he's losing out on a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And it's affecting their family.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And they're saying it's unconstitutional, which is again, it's a
new world, right. We opened up this, We open up
this can of worms, right, with not a lot of parameters.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Around it on how they can earn and when they
can earn.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
So people are pushing the envelope and you know, talking
to ads in the college world, you know that, I said,
is there a way to ever you know, scale this
back and put more guardrails on it? And they say, well,
we open the doors up. Now it's a constitutional thing.
Like once we've let them earn this money. We're now
it's against their constitutional rights if we if we really
(26:47):
hone this back in because we opened it up with
such wide parameters, with.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
No with no parameters, so with right.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah, So it's really really crazy and I'm interested to
see how plays out. It's going to be very interesting
to see how this unfolds and see how Ohio moves
from this.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, here's the other issue is that around the around
the world, kids become pros in their teens, right, Like,
they go to these soccer academies and they're paid like
you're you're a sixteen year old professional basketball player, Like
there is no there is no amateur status at all.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So I think when you when you open up.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The college stick here, it then trickles down to what
we're seeing in.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
High school a middle.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
School, yeah, for sure. And he and he's seeing it
around the country.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Some guys are really getting paid right now in high school,
especially at his level. I mean, depending on the recruiting
service you look at, he might be ranked as highs
two in the country and he's a wide receiver, he's
a number one receiver, but overall I've seen him anywhere
from two to ten so when you're in that small procera.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, that on our Fox Sports Radio project that.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
L ranked twenty seven. We didn't put that out yet.
In he will read our top ten. We did the
twenty six class, so he's he's a junior, so that
will in a coming weeks we'll drop our twenty seven rankings,
but he will be in the top ten for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's he's an elite speed. He's running like a four
three four four in high school as a junior.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh my god. Yeah, so that's blazing.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Blazing speed.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
So yeah, on ESPN he's ranked number two prospect overall
in his class, and he's just climbing the board and
they're just saying, it's about creating fairness and getting a
chance to maximize this window, right, because there's money to
be made and he wants to hit now, while the ironside, well,
you don't know if there's gonna be injuries, you don't
know how he's going to project, right, So his family
(28:47):
is saying, hey, we have it the opportunity, now, please
let us earn while we can.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, And I guess you can't argue like you can't.
It's like as much is we know that money can
poison stuff, right like it's it always does, but you
need you know, we need it, right like, and families
need it, and children needed to start their kids needed
(29:15):
to start their lives. And it's only fair, right Like
it's you know, the minute, the minute TV gets involved
and apparel companies, shoe companies get involved and pump that
kind of money into something, then well then the athletes
who were actually the showmen that you that you build around,
(29:37):
need to get compensated. And that means if it doesn't
matter what age they are.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Oh for sure. And I was reading something to document.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Another thing that they're arguing is like they have a
lot of cost as being this top tier athlete.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
They have to travel, they have to train, they have
to pay for recovery, they have to pay for shootering, right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean, like we joke about Lebron James spending two
million dollars on his body and you wonder why he's
four years old and kick ball like that, right, but
that ain'ts the same thing. It's expensive, man, It's expensive
for me, Like we struggle with it, Like you gotta coaches,
private coaches, lessons.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Just getting to a company. Bit you're traveling all over
the country every week.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I mean, you're going you're driving a ripken, You're driving
to Baltimore from Moss You're out there, you're gas money,
you tolls, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, they forget that we were in South Carolina, we
were in Cooperstown.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Oh my god, We're all over the place.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's what I'm saying. You're making So that gets pushed aside.
People don't really realize it.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
So again, if there's an opportunity, the family saying it's great,
we're very fortunate, but this comes with a lot of cost.
And in ninety percent of the states in the country
there's some type.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Of nil allowed.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Why are we in Ohio not allowed to maximize the
situation and earn and put our son in.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
The best possible spots right to succeed. So again, it's
it's a crazy new world that we're on cover.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
There'll be more lawsuits like this, I think down the line,
but this will be the precedent, especially for the few
states that are still not allowing it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, there's gonna be there's gonna be some sort of
universal rule. I don't know how you can not allow
at ayao. It just makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It's starting to get involved, like Congress is starting to
get hearings on it. And so it's again when there's
when there's billions involved, everyone's gonna want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And heay, we brought up pet State earlier, right, and
we brought up how Penn State needed to make a
move mid season, which is so usually never happens, right,
it's so rare.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But Penn State is.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Adidas yep and a million.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Look when when Penn State loses to Oregon, which is Nike,
Adidas isn't happy and Adidas needs Penn State to be
a big time program.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yep. So Adida says, how much do you know? Franklin?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
All right, well I'm sure for DNIS went all right,
Well here's some some uh.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Let us ship in here. Let's talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, we'll cover some of that. You got to get
them out.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You need a new coach in place because we need
Penn State for our strategy to be to be something.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
And but the pushback, right, I want to give the
other side here. I want to pay a little Devil's
advocate a pushback a while. How is you know what's
against an eye out you know, there's some inequalities, right,
there's they want to make sure it's equitable for all schools, right.
They want to make sure that every school is the
same opportunity. And when you bring money into it, some
schools are funded better than others, you know, so their
(32:38):
their initial argument is to say, we wanted to be
we want equity across the board.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
This this makes it very complex, right, there could be
a lot of backlash.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
There could be and there's different factors, mitigating factors everywhere.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, so like I understand both sides of it. So
it makes it very difficult to navigate. And again, like
we were just talking about, there's an inequity with the
lower schools, right, the American Conference is a Patriot Conference,
and you know how you navigate that as these lower
major programs. And in a couple of weeks we're going
to have one of my good friends, he's a coach
(33:12):
at Buck now in the Patriot League, and to talk
about how they navigate an il right, and how they're
doing it at a lower level, because it affects these
schools more than people understand, and they have to get
really creative to try to you know, stay relevant and
compete at this level.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Hey, coming up, we go to the mail bag, the
email bag, and.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's funny. I want to joke about it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But our parent is talking about his son pulling like
my Masima, talking about, you know, wanting to get paid
like in middle school. So it's not just my kid.
There are other kids dealing with this. So I really
want to address it. I want you to address this
(34:02):
stuff because it's pervasive, it's all over.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I mean, they see it, right, they want to be
a part of it. They think, hey, why not me? Right,
So that's a driving factor or in their.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Head it's closer. Let's let's take cooktilla. We'll come right
back and dive into it. This is Project nil, the
show devoted to youth athlete, youth athletics, high school, college,
and that nil money. Right here on Fox Sports Radio,
(34:32):
Welcome back Project Nil with Penn Charter Athletic director in Philadelphia,
Daniel de Bernardinas. I'm Anthony Gargano together with Project Nil,
and this is where we get into youth sports and
(34:52):
this whole wild world. Danny d v A d all right, buddy,
boy U, it's funny. I know the guy so there's
a friend of mine. His name's jim and Jimmy set
me in. Actually it was a text, wasn't even an email.
If you want, I want to give you my personal
(35:13):
email if you want to email me and get any
of this stuff to Danny, My email is Anthony L.
Gargano at Comcast dot net. So if you want to
email me about that you are about the subject, you
just email me. I'll get with Nanny and we'll talk
about it on the show. But anyway, Jimmy says, goes
(35:33):
all this talk about Nil, My kid is kids convinced
he's going to get an Nile deal in high school.
And he's such a really good baseball player, and you know,
like Massa, he and my son are on the same team,
and you know they're a good team, right, so they're
(35:54):
you know, that's part of what they're talking about. And
the dugout is and I've heard it set times is
nil deals.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yep, and and it's it's crazy and at the youth level.
I don't want it to change what people you know,
what success looks like, right that could people were changing
it based off all well, you know, we're working.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Towards the Centil deal, this is what success looks like.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And it's and hopefully it doesn't like realign the shift
where people are saying, like I want to go to
where these sports. These families are trying to focus more
on sports that are driven by the money, like more football, baseball, basketball,
not you know, not playing the sports like volleyball and
soccer right that they might love or have a passion for.
So it's it is scary, but I just I just
(36:41):
keep you know, trying to tell people we have to
focus on what it's about.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It's about development. It's about becoming a better person.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
It's learning these characteristics that are to help you later
in life.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But it's real, right, they see it. It's all over
social media.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
It's all over their tiktoks, it's all over their Instagrams
and Facebook.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So it's hard not to have it in the back
of your mind.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
But for parents, I just, you know, keep stressing what
it's really about. It's about development, right, It's about you know,
becoming a better person at the end of the day,
learning characteristics and traits that are going to help you
later in life.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, what do you what do you say about you know,
all this stuff that's going it isn't natural for kids
to kind of want that because it's closer, right, Like
if you think about it, like when I was growing
up and how older than you, it was like all
I want to do was be a quarterback and a shortstop,
(37:38):
right yep, you know, I mean it's all I wanted
to do, and like, I know I could play in
the NFL, yeah right, and all that stuff. But now
these kids they go, well, you know I want to
get there. I don't and IL deal in high school.
Well it's different when I'm twelve, I'm looking at you know,
(37:59):
maybe I could be a quarterback for Notre Dame or
Penn State and then going to the NFL. Well it
was world's away, right, Yeah, Well this isn't world's away
when you're talking about a twelve year old in middle school.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, the school's around the corner and all of.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
A sudden, right, Like, how do you as in high school,
a d that's built these programs, how do you reconcile
this and do you want to keep it thinking about
that stuff?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I mean you just kind of keep stressing. If you
do what you're supposed to do and you.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Work really hard, this is a possibility, right, so I
don't want them to crush their dream that this is
something that they want to chase after, right, I want
them to be able to, you know, get their dreams.
So I would just stress, Hey, if you do what
you're supposed to do, this stuff, it becomes a reality.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And it's happened at high school level. At my current school,
we have one of the top runners in the country
and she's a she's running for New Balance.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
She's a nice she's fourteen years old. Aunt, she's story mci.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
S Kelley set the indoor records last year in the
nationals for as an eighth grader for the mile and
two mile, and these companies, Nike and New Balance are
reaching out to her.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
She's fourteen years old, right, but she works really hard.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
And when I talk to the parents, I just continue
to stress, keep doing what you're supposed to do, do
your due.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Diligence, but keep working hard.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And this is what happens with hard work now in
today's world, right, it happens earlier on. So you know,
just try try keeping you know, that mindset right and
where you can focus on the work, focus on becoming better,
and these things happen right and now that's a possibility
in today's world where you can get paid at such
a young age.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, and like to me, it's not a bit. They
don't understand the money, they don't know what money is.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
They want the brand deals.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Right right, right, It's for just a status, right, It's
a status to show how good they are.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yep, that's what that is for sure at that age.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
But I'm excited for a couple of weeks and we
had some great that we'll be working with high school coaches,
college coaches, sports psychologists. So in the coming weeks we'll
have a lot of different guests to kind of talk
about you sports and the NIL project. And again, if
you have any questions, please reach out to Anthony.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And we want to continue to grow just things.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So we appreciate everyone, all the listeners and the producers
and everyone back there.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
So thank you. All right, buddy, we love it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Once again, it's Anthony Augarganocomcast dot and then stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
The Fellas are coming up next.
You don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Well, good morning, good morning, good morning. This is uh
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Speaker 3 (00:40):
Good morning, Danny, d.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
V A D. What's going on? Cause how we doing? Brother?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We're good?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
You know we Uh, we're going to get into our
subject today and it has to do with recruits and
coaches and coaches that get fired maybe in a happy valley.
But before we do that, because we're just sports fans,
right and you are a sports fan. You got in
to athletics because of that, can we take a moment
(01:11):
to honor shohey Otani and one of the greatest feats
that we've ever seen in the greatest feet I've ever seen,
three home runs of the game, ten strikeouts and the dub.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
He's a specimen, and I mean it's it's crazy. I mean,
I know he's been quiet through his playoffs, but I
mean to have that ability to do that, it's I mean,
I've never seen it, right in my lifetime. And you know,
people say having with Babe Ruth, right, I mean it's crazy.
I mean to go three for three with three home
runs and then on the other side it just deal
(01:48):
like that to be you know, six innings, ten k's,
I mean two hits.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
I mean, it's it's.
Speaker 5 (01:55):
Never been seen in my lifetime, and I don't know
if ever to this level.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Well, no, we're because we've never seen a pitcher and
a hitter. Not since you know Ruth have we seen that, right,
So you know that back during that era.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, I mean it was such a special thing and
a guy is just an absolute specimen.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
I mean, maybe it changes.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
It may maybe this becomes where kids, you know, for
so long people just focused I'm a pitcher, I don't
really you know, I don't take reps in the cage, right,
I I just.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Focus on pitching.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Maybe maybe it starts to move the needle a little
bit and kids, you know, try to be multi faceted
in baseball, like that.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
It's funny because a lot of your best kids it's
either your shortstop or a pitching right and even from
a from a kid age, it is weird because you'll
see kids who you know can throw, who maybe not
be the best athlete, but it can throw so then
(02:54):
and they're not asked to do much. Although in youth,
in youth baseball, you know everybody's got hit you with baseball,
so you're you're looking to hit.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean, but he's not just a pitcher, I mean,
the dude throws a hundred, right, I mean, it's he's
he's not just he's not just as average a bag.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
He's like, you know, he's an athlete too.
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, if he's a forty to forty guy. It's it's
it's really, it's so impressive. And as a Phillies fan,
it's a little disheartening, you know, watching being so close
and playing him some close and than seeing them just
absolutely demolish the Brewers looking making it look pretty easy.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
So it's hurts Mahart.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
A little bit, but as a sports fan, it was,
it's truly so impressive to see things.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Like that happen.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
It is, it really is.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I just wanted to pay home homage to show hey,
it was awesome, man, incredible fitter. I was watching football
and going back on the baseball right because look, the
series is that you kind of know the dods you're
gonna win. So I was kind of going back and
then and then I caught the second home run, and
(04:04):
then like, I follow on my phone, so I'm like,
all right, let me let me see what are you
gonna do?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
He can't hit another one.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I was colame, Oh my god, and this wing is
I mean, it's so pretty man, It's just it is.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
I'm a lefty, so I love the left guys on
the left side.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
That's why you're a good golfer. That's why you're a
good guy. For your a lefty.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I'm a lefty.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
You got God's gift.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
It's funny.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
I still met handed, but it's all left in sports,
right right handed, all left sports.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
So I don't know how it happened.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
But you so you write and eat right handed correct.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Well, you know what's funny, that's actually the proper thing
because your right hand is dominant. Yes, so if your
right hand is dominant, it's your power hand.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It should be you should hit right handed. Yeah, because
if you think.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
About your power strength, your strength is coming from your
right hand. That should be your top hand going away.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yeah, it makes sense, you.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Know, like it should be your your your hand where
your top hands are guide hand, right, Yeah, your bottom
hand is your power hand and it should be that.
And it's funny because it's the I'm like right handed,
but my dominant hand is my right hand. It's way
it's way stronger. But you know, your left hand you
got to garner as your top hand on a swing
(05:37):
for your power.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yep. And it's not optimal.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
A lot of sense. Yeah, it makes a ton of sense.
But yeah, I've been it's lucky. You always get a
little vantage besctally in sports. You know people you know
you're you're in the minority, so you get a little
they're a little you got to figure you out at first,
so initially you get a little, a little advantage.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
All right, So we talk about kids and youth sports.
To tie Massimo's right.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Hand behind his back, I love it because I wanted
him to be a lefty.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But it didn't work.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
Yeah, I really me, but.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
Worked out. It did work out for you.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That's why because all those big nil deals that you
do on the golf course. It works, it works, all right,
Let's get into the program for a second, because there's
something that's gnawing at me and I kind of want
to I want your take on this and to figure
this out because one of the things I didn't think
about and I haven't thought about is when coaches get fired. Right,
(06:43):
So coaches get fired and it happens all the time,
and kids decommit. Well, now there's money involved, lots of money. Yes,
So let's take what happened the Penn State. The ultimately
collapse happened in Happy Valley. I mean, when you think
(07:06):
about it, and we put shockwaves through the world, through
the college football world where James Franckle gets fired on
Friday on Monday.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, it was crazy, and it's very rare at the
big programs like Penn State that happen mid season. But
sometimes you got to do it right. So it's very rare.
It's it's uncharted water for a lot of big programs
to make that move, but it happened. And I think
as an ad sometimes you just got to pull the
band aid off.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And when things are going down, I mean, if the.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Team's not getting up and you're losing games to winless teams,
and you know you're coming home on homecoming weekend and
you're losing the you know, teams that talent you're not
in the same building.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
It's tough. So if you lose the team, it's tough
to get back from that. So I understand, you know
why they had to make the.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Move, But in today's world, the ripple effects are crazy, right,
So for cases like PSU, they lost a lot of recruits.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Even when they started losing games.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Right the twenty seven class where they had an elite
you know, they had a five start running back number
one in the country. He decommitted why they were losing right,
and they opened up his recruitment said.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Oh, I didn't even know that he did that.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
He did that after they lost to UCLA. Wow, But
he's a twenty twenty seven. So for the twenty sixth class.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
It's interesting because some kids in certain states can start
getting paid in high school. So once you start taking
the money, it's harder to get out of. Those contracts
are even firmer than you know, the national attention.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So if you're if you're collecting the check and you're
in high school, I mean out of it now spurned
the people giving you money.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
Yeah, agreed, So it's very difficult to navigate that, right.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
They did lose twenty six recruits.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
So some kids in some states you can't collect money,
have to wait till you get to college. Right, so
they have the ability to still, you know, get out
of their commitment. And you're seeing it happen. Some have
stayed some of the recruits. And Penn State had to
know that, right, they had to know that this was
something that could happen and will happen. Every power school
(09:10):
is going to be all over Power five schools is
going to be over their recruits and their roster.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
It's just the nature of the beast. So it's always
important to you.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Know, to the vultures out they're gonna be coming in.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
Yeah, you're going to be having assistant coaches, people reaching
out to their families.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
It's going to be it's the wild West out there.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
I mean, I read an article the other day it
said there's a bit about one point nine billion in
NIL deals in twenty twenty five. One point five one
point nine billion. That that's crazy, and one point four
of it comes from direct revenue sharing with the athletic departments.
You know, two hundred and ninety million are coming from
(09:52):
these commercial and eye ideals which are coming from you.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Know, outside agencies or you know, part of their collective.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Two hundred and thirteen million of it is directly straight
from the collective. So it's there's so much money being
poured into this and to see these kids now trying
to have to navigate it when coach they're leaving and
it puts them in a different type of spot.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
So depending on what player you.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
Are, what contract you sign with these schools depends on
if you're able to stay or leave.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Well, you know what the issue is too.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
That the new coach comes in and you know, if
they didn't they didn't recruit you, they may not you
may not want to be a fit for their offense
or what kind of scheme they want to run on defense.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Yeah, I've seen it happen with high level kids, and
it's tough, especially for the younger guys because you don't
have tape in college to prove. So if the coach
comes in and you're not fitting his scheme, you got
to go down. Like I've seen it at high level,
I've had you know, student athletes that I was close
with in the last couple of years that went to
Power five schools.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
A coaching shift.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Comes in and he says, hey, you're not a fit
for my thing, my culture, right with my scheme, like
you just said, they have to drop down to two
three levels of college football and the transfer portal because
they don't have any tape. They were a freshman, they
might have red shirted, right, So you're going back two
years from their high school tape.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
So I've seen it happen for kids go from West
Virginia to Delaware, you know. I've seen it go from
high major programs to low and then you have to
work your way back up.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
And that can happen, and Penn State does.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
They're in a unique situation where they have to make
a decision quickly because, like we talked about a few
weeks ago, there's only one portal. Now, there's only one
portal season. The spring is gone, so they have to attack.
January comes, they have to attack the portal. So they
need to name a coach as soon as possible. Once
the season ends. They need a coach in place because
they're going to live in that market and that's because
(11:52):
half their team's probably going to put their names in
it just because of the unknown, right they have.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
To do it.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
So you're re recruiting your own player, you're recruiting players
from other areas, and you really have to, you know,
move quickly because there's a lot of money going around
and people they're taking deals, so you have to they
have to really put the pedal to the medal and
be on the gas for this.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, we happen to know one of Penn State's top recruits. Yep,
and he's a defensive lineman, defensive end kid. The kid's legitimate,
I mean the kids. The kid's a dude.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Yeah, he's a stud.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
He works incredibly hard worker, great size, very smart, intelligent kid,
and he's he's got tons of upside and potential.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So put me so obviously.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You know, he chose Penn State because he really connected
with the D line coach.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yes, great relationship with the D line coach. And there's
a good possibility he stays right and he's you know,
his job is to key recruits and he he has
to show his worth for the next coach coming in
saying hey, I held on to my guys, right, Guys,
that committed, So I'm showing my worth.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
This is why you should keep me around, right.
Speaker 5 (13:09):
Or even showing for his next job. Hey, I was
able to hold on during this, you know, transition. I
was still able to hold on the X, Y, and Z.
So the coaches there are working incredibly hard because it's
on them, and you know, hopefully people.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Are picking more than just a coach.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
I know fit is a lot, but also you're you're
looking like we talked about and then Roger's interview, you're
looking about feel.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
You're talking about the environment, what you're doing in the.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
Off season, how close it is to where you live,
and you know, coming back and seeing your family, like
all a lot of these factors come into play. And
as a Philly guy, he's staying put. He said it
was my dream school. It had a great major. He's
thinking down the line. You know, he wanted to work
in the business side. He loved what the school had
to offer academically, and you.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Know it fit for what his family wanted. So they're
staying put for now.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
Doesn't mean they're definitely going to stay put for long haul,
but for now they're saying, we're staying.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, and you know what the recruiting process is so interesting,
and there's gonna be other schools that could offer you
more money, but you do have to find the right
fit academically. What you want to be in life is
a huge factor. And you know, you know, like you said,
(14:22):
proximity or just get your overall happiness and contentment.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
I was lucky enough to be involved in his process
a little bit, and because I know the family and
he's a great kid. But also I preach that stuff
to him, you know, I tell everybody I want kids
to follow dreams, to get their dreams.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And I say the stat all the time.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
One percent of high school athletes become Division one athletes
and one percent of that Division one athletes become professional athletes.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
So you're in a you know, the odds are hitting
the lottery.
Speaker 5 (14:49):
Right, So you have to be very creative and selective
and strategic about what you're doing during this process, and
you have to think about, you know, your longevity of
your life, and you have to go to programs that
are going to set you up for life and have
a great network. And I really stress that to them
during the process. It's not just about the money, right
because to go to Penn State, some of these.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Power five lower schools now there.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
Philosophy is we have to outbid them early so we
can get them, like we're never going to give them
that big raise, but hopefully we can just get them
for two years.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
We'll outbid them early on.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Right, Penn State, the bigger schools say, hey, we might
not outbid you early on, but we have the potential
if you come here and prove yourself, we can pay
you ten X.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Right.
Speaker 5 (15:30):
So I kind of he turned down more money to
go to Penn State and then I ill deals to
go to Penn State to be a part of that
program because he was playing the long game. And I
try to stress that to all the student athletes that.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I work with through this process.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, it's smart, it really is. Alex Askell is.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
The player's name, and he's a great kid. But getting
back to what you do, is there any other way
does that come into play with an agent? Like, you know,
should kids that you have the NIL agents and you
have U you know, regular agents that do deals for
(16:11):
you know, professional teams and that sort of thing. Who
we're now getting involved in the NIL space?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
How important?
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Because I guess they're not regulars like they can have
anybody kind of do their deals.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, it's it's kind of wild, you know when you
and even in the NFL it's changed a little bit,
but you used to have to you know, most times
it was lawyers, right, you had to do contract law.
Speaker 4 (16:35):
They kind of got away from that.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Now you have to pass a test to kind of
prove yourself in professional sports.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
But it's not like a law degree is not required.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
It's a lot easier to become an agent, right, and
especially in the NIL world that can anyone could represent you.
There's because again they kind of open this up. There's
not a lot of parameters around it. Someone from your
family could be your NIL agent, right. So I think
there's people who are out of seeing the money.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
We just talked about a one point nine billion and
twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Alone in NIL deals.
Speaker 5 (17:06):
So it's such a booming industry. People are trying to
specialize in it, and I think it's important to get help,
right and at the end of the day, someone you
trust and not just going to say, hey, go get
the most money because that I get a higher percentage
of what's coming in, but someone that's again showing you
all the avenues and showing you the long term play
and weighing your options and having someone that you can
(17:29):
love and respect. But also the big agencies are seeing
this and they're trying to get involved now. So it's
kind of a mad dash to this nil game and
seeing who can cement themselves in it. But there's people
who are specializing strictly in ANIL and I think more
professional guys who have NFL guys are coming down or
you know, NBA guys are coming down to get in
(17:51):
this game and figure out how to be in this
billion dollar industry.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, it's it's utterly wild, it really is, and it
just it's interesting, you know, the ripple effects to all
this stuff.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
So who's the next coach? Right? So Indiana locks up Signetti.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
So Signetti is the hot name, right, like Signetti has
is often this amazing start.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Indiana has had, you know, an amazing year last year.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
So they get ahead of it and they give him
a boatload back up the truck to keep Signetti. Yeah,
they backed it and he's right now, you know. Matt
Ruhle is another one that has been linked to Penn
State because he was walking on there.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
He met his wife there, he started his coaching career there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So you know, the A D at Penn State was
the A D at Temple where he started, and so
there's a lot of there's a lot of roots. I mean,
we do a podcast together, so full disclosure. He he
you know, he's always talked about Penn State beings dream job.
Now he loves Nebraska and you know he's been rejuvenated.
(19:06):
He's in the middle of a build in Nebraska, right
He's got a sophomore quarterback who's legitimate. They lost last
night and it was not good. But there's all kinds
of rumors around there, and like you know, I mean,
some of it's probably really and I know he's probably
got I don't know if it's if it's on the
table or if they talked or any of that stuff.
(19:28):
But I know he's trying to focus, like he wants
to focus on his job, but it's in the back.
I'm sure it's in the back of his mind. Meanwhile,
you got kids everywhere, right, Like, you got a whole
program in Nebraska, you got stuff going on to Penn State.
They need to have, like you said, someone in place,
and that means to go poach another coach.
Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah, it's difficult, you know, because he's not gonna get
away from it, right, They're not gonna People are not
gonna stop asking him about it. Even if he says no,
I'm happy and I'm staying because he has the ties
and it's been a name as foo. So it's difficult,
and you his job is really tough right now because
he loves where he's at. They were great to him.
They're giving him a lot of support. Right Nebraska is
all in on Matt. But there's no way even if
(20:11):
he says.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
No, they're going to stop until Penn State hires a.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Coach and that just you know, it seeks into the
program and kids are gonna be like, what's next, Right,
They're gonna so to really keep them focused and locked in.
He's got a tall task ahead of them. And I'm
a huge fan. I think he does a great job.
So I'm hopefully he can really, you know, continue to
build his program and hopefully you know, drowned out this
outside noise and they lock in and they can finish
(20:35):
the season strong. Regardless of how what he's gonna do next.
But he's got a tall test because he didn't ask
for this, right, The Braska didn't ask for this. But
you know, I'm sure there's people calling his top players like, hey,
that's gonna be leaving right, trying to you know, start
this narrative to really get the ball wrong. It's it's
a crazy world. Like you said, the vultures are circling
and when they see it, they're gonna they're they're gonna circle,
(20:57):
and they're gonna try to poach all these kids. And
and it's act when they can so again with all
this money and play, even for the coaching side and
the player side, it's such a it's such a different game,
and you know it's colleges is just different.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
And like the big question for me is like what's
the competitive.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And balance now for like these smaller schools that are
trying to fight in right, Like, how how do they
sustain this?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
So we don't know now, but we'll see in the future.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yep, all right, let's take a quick te you we'll
come right back. There was a lawsuit project nil Ohio,
so we got to talk about that. Uh, and also
the trickle down effect as to suddenly middle school kids
I hear it are talking about their next to be sponsored.
(21:44):
These are children, correct, I know, my my little one
does that. Yeah, he's talking at il deals. God, just
go to practice. Be quiet, all right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Come on, Mith, let's lock in baby, Come.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
On so we'll come right back.
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always pop up at the top of your screen. All right, buddy,
So let's get to this lawsuit that was in Ohio.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Jamiir Brown, who's at twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Recruit Ohio State commit, and his family a final lawsuit
against the Ohio A High School Athletic Association, claiming it's
banned on nil violates his right to earn income and
express himself. Shock Waves tell us about it.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Filed Wednesday.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
He's the number one wide receiver ranked in the country
in the twenty twenty se figures.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
She goes to wide receiver You oh.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Actually naturally so He's currently a junior at Wayne High
School in Ohio. He converbally committed to Ohio State receiver.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
You as me and you like to say it. They
pump out NFL.
Speaker 5 (24:23):
Guys every year, but yeah, it's Ohio is one of
the few states left that doesn't let any type of nil.
Some states, a majority of states have adapted in some
sort of way. This state is the is one that
is still firmly against no in il in high school.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And the lawsuit was, you know, filed. They're just saying,
you know, we're getting by.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
The family actually said, hey, we're getting by, but like
at this level, right, he's in that one percentile, Right,
he's a top ten recruit in the country, regardless of position.
So they're saying, you know, to travel and to do
these things, it's for him to grow his network.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We're not.
Speaker 5 (24:59):
We're you know, this law in their state prohibiting them
to make money in high school is really you know,
unconstitutional and taking away his ability to make money and
help our family, you know, get him to the next level.
So it's it's gonna be interesting to see how it
plays out. I've read that they could possibly have an
emergency hearing in the coming weeks to kind of rule
(25:22):
on this. The family and their complaints. They said, like
he's missing out on at least one hundred thousand dollars
a year, and they said, you know there's trading card
deals that they showed in the court documents that they're
being offered.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
They're talking, Oh.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
My god, that's the other thing, like the collectibles world.
He's a world, right, because it's always a bit about
the rookie card. Right, Oh, let's get the rookie card. Well,
now if you can have the you know, imagine that
Tom Brady seventh grade card. I mean, you know, like
(25:54):
the world. But they're not wrong. There is real dollars there.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Yeah, And they presented in their documents like, hey, we've
been offered deals with you know, memorabilia companies. Right, so
they have some documentation, you know, to back up their
claim that he's losing out on a lot of money.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
And it's affecting their family.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
And they're saying it's unconstitutional, which is again, it's a
new world, right. We opened up this, We open up
this can of worms, right, with not a lot of parameters.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Around it on how they can earn and when they
can earn.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
So people are pushing the envelope and you know, talking
to ads in the college world, you know that, I said,
is there a way to ever you know, scale this
back and put more guardrails on it? And they say, well,
we open the doors up. Now it's a constitutional thing.
Like once we've let them earn this money. We're now
it's against their constitutional rights if we if we really
(26:47):
hone this back in because we opened it up with
such wide parameters, with.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
No with no parameters, so with right.
Speaker 5 (26:54):
Yeah, So it's really really crazy and I'm interested to
see how plays out. It's going to be very interesting
to see how this unfolds and see how Ohio moves
from this.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Well, here's the other issue is that around the around
the world, kids become pros in their teens, right, Like,
they go to these soccer academies and they're paid like
you're you're a sixteen year old professional basketball player, Like
there is no there is no amateur status at all.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
So I think when you when you open up.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
The college stick here, it then trickles down to what
we're seeing in.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
High school a middle.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
School, yeah, for sure. And he and he's seeing it
around the country.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Some guys are really getting paid right now in high school,
especially at his level. I mean, depending on the recruiting
service you look at, he might be ranked as highs
two in the country and he's a wide receiver, he's
a number one receiver, but overall I've seen him anywhere
from two to ten so when you're in that small procera.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, that on our Fox Sports Radio project that.
Speaker 5 (28:01):
L ranked twenty seven. We didn't put that out yet.
In he will read our top ten. We did the
twenty six class, so he's he's a junior, so that
will in a coming weeks we'll drop our twenty seven rankings,
but he will be in the top ten for sure.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
He's he's an elite speed. He's running like a four
three four four in high school as a junior.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Oh my god. Yeah, so that's blazing.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Blazing speed.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
So yeah, on ESPN he's ranked number two prospect overall
in his class, and he's just climbing the board and
they're just saying, it's about creating fairness and getting a
chance to maximize this window, right, because there's money to
be made and he wants to hit now, while the ironside, well,
you don't know if there's gonna be injuries, you don't
know how he's going to project, right, So his family
(28:47):
is saying, hey, we have it the opportunity, now, please
let us earn while we can.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Yeah, And I guess you can't argue like you can't.
It's like as much is we know that money can
poison stuff, right like it's it always does, but you
need you know, we need it, right like, and families
need it, and children needed to start their kids needed
(29:15):
to start their lives. And it's only fair, right Like
it's you know, the minute, the minute TV gets involved
and apparel companies, shoe companies get involved and pump that
kind of money into something, then well then the athletes
who were actually the showmen that you that you build around,
(29:37):
need to get compensated. And that means if it doesn't
matter what age they are.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Oh for sure. And I was reading something to document.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Another thing that they're arguing is like they have a
lot of cost as being this top tier athlete.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Right.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
They have to travel, they have to train, they have
to pay for recovery, they have to pay for shootering, right.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I mean, like we joke about Lebron James spending two
million dollars on his body and you wonder why he's
four years old and kick ball like that, right, but
that ain'ts the same thing. It's expensive, man, It's expensive
for me, Like we struggle with it, Like you gotta coaches,
private coaches, lessons.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Just getting to a company. Bit you're traveling all over
the country every week.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
I mean, you're going you're driving a ripken, You're driving
to Baltimore from Moss You're out there, you're gas money,
you tolls, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Well, they forget that we were in South Carolina, we
were in Cooperstown.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
Oh my god, We're all over the place.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
That's what I'm saying. You're making So that gets pushed aside.
People don't really realize it.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
So again, if there's an opportunity, the family saying it's great,
we're very fortunate, but this comes with a lot of cost.
And in ninety percent of the states in the country
there's some type.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Of nil allowed.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
Why are we in Ohio not allowed to maximize the
situation and earn and put our son in.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
The best possible spots right to succeed. So again, it's
it's a crazy new world that we're on cover.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
There'll be more lawsuits like this, I think down the line,
but this will be the precedent, especially for the few
states that are still not allowing it.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yeah, there's gonna be there's gonna be some sort of
universal rule. I don't know how you can not allow
at ayao. It just makes no sense to me.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
And it's crazy.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
It's starting to get involved, like Congress is starting to
get hearings on it. And so it's again when there's
when there's billions involved, everyone's gonna want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And heay, we brought up pet State earlier, right, and
we brought up how Penn State needed to make a
move mid season, which is so usually never happens, right,
it's so rare.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
But Penn State is.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Adidas yep and a million.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Look when when Penn State loses to Oregon, which is Nike,
Adidas isn't happy and Adidas needs Penn State to be
a big time program.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Yep. So Adida says, how much do you know? Franklin?
Speaker 2 (32:00):
All right, well I'm sure for DNIS went all right,
Well here's some some uh.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
Let us ship in here. Let's talk about a little bit.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
Yeah, we'll cover some of that. You got to get
them out.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
You need a new coach in place because we need
Penn State for our strategy to be to be something.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
And but the pushback, right, I want to give the
other side here. I want to pay a little Devil's
advocate a pushback a while. How is you know what's
against an eye out you know, there's some inequalities, right,
there's they want to make sure it's equitable for all schools, right.
They want to make sure that every school is the
same opportunity. And when you bring money into it, some
schools are funded better than others, you know, so their
(32:38):
their initial argument is to say, we wanted to be
we want equity across the board.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
Right.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
This this makes it very complex, right, there could be
a lot of backlash.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
There could be and there's different factors, mitigating factors everywhere.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Yeah, so like I understand both sides of it. So
it makes it very difficult to navigate. And again, like
we were just talking about, there's an inequity with the
lower schools, right, the American Conference is a Patriot Conference,
and you know how you navigate that as these lower
major programs. And in a couple of weeks we're going
to have one of my good friends, he's a coach
(33:12):
at Buck now in the Patriot League, and to talk
about how they navigate an il right, and how they're
doing it at a lower level, because it affects these
schools more than people understand, and they have to get
really creative to try to you know, stay relevant and
compete at this level.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Hey, coming up, we go to the mail bag, the
email bag, and.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
It's funny. I want to joke about it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
But our parent is talking about his son pulling like
my Masima, talking about, you know, wanting to get paid
like in middle school. So it's not just my kid.
There are other kids dealing with this. So I really
want to address it. I want you to address this
(34:02):
stuff because it's pervasive, it's all over.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
I mean, they see it, right, they want to be
a part of it. They think, hey, why not me? Right,
So that's a driving factor or in their.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Head it's closer. Let's let's take cooktilla. We'll come right
back and dive into it. This is Project nil, the
show devoted to youth athlete, youth athletics, high school, college,
and that nil money. Right here on Fox Sports Radio,
(34:32):
Welcome back Project Nil with Penn Charter Athletic director in Philadelphia,
Daniel de Bernardinas. I'm Anthony Gargano together with Project Nil,
and this is where we get into youth sports and
(34:52):
this whole wild world. Danny d v A d all right, buddy,
boy U, it's funny. I know the guy so there's
a friend of mine. His name's jim and Jimmy set
me in. Actually it was a text, wasn't even an email.
If you want, I want to give you my personal
(35:13):
email if you want to email me and get any
of this stuff to Danny, My email is Anthony L.
Gargano at Comcast dot net. So if you want to
email me about that you are about the subject, you
just email me. I'll get with Nanny and we'll talk
about it on the show. But anyway, Jimmy says, goes
(35:33):
all this talk about Nil, My kid is kids convinced
he's going to get an Nile deal in high school.
And he's such a really good baseball player, and you know,
like Massa, he and my son are on the same team,
and you know they're a good team, right, so they're
(35:54):
you know, that's part of what they're talking about. And
the dugout is and I've heard it set times is
nil deals.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
Yep, and and it's it's crazy and at the youth level.
I don't want it to change what people you know,
what success looks like, right that could people were changing
it based off all well, you know, we're working.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
Towards the Centil deal, this is what success looks like.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
And it's and hopefully it doesn't like realign the shift
where people are saying, like I want to go to
where these sports. These families are trying to focus more
on sports that are driven by the money, like more football, baseball, basketball,
not you know, not playing the sports like volleyball and
soccer right that they might love or have a passion for.
So it's it is scary, but I just I just
(36:41):
keep you know, trying to tell people we have to
focus on what it's about.
Speaker 4 (36:45):
It's about development. It's about becoming a better person.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
It's learning these characteristics that are to help you later
in life.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
But it's real, right, they see it. It's all over
social media.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
It's all over their tiktoks, it's all over their Instagrams
and Facebook.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
So it's hard not to have it in the back
of your mind.
Speaker 5 (37:01):
But for parents, I just, you know, keep stressing what
it's really about. It's about development, right, It's about you know,
becoming a better person at the end of the day,
learning characteristics and traits that are going to help you
later in life.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, what do you what do you say about you know,
all this stuff that's going it isn't natural for kids
to kind of want that because it's closer, right, Like
if you think about it, like when I was growing
up and how older than you, it was like all
I want to do was be a quarterback and a shortstop,
(37:38):
right yep, you know, I mean it's all I wanted
to do, and like, I know I could play in
the NFL, yeah right, and all that stuff. But now
these kids they go, well, you know I want to
get there. I don't and IL deal in high school.
Well it's different when I'm twelve, I'm looking at you know,
(37:59):
maybe I could be a quarterback for Notre Dame or
Penn State and then going to the NFL. Well it
was world's away, right, Yeah, Well this isn't world's away
when you're talking about a twelve year old in middle school.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Well, the school's around the corner and all of.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
A sudden, right, Like, how do you as in high school,
a d that's built these programs, how do you reconcile
this and do you want to keep it thinking about
that stuff?
Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (38:29):
I mean you just kind of keep stressing. If you
do what you're supposed to do and you.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Work really hard, this is a possibility, right, so I
don't want them to crush their dream that this is
something that they want to chase after, right, I want
them to be able to, you know, get their dreams.
So I would just stress, Hey, if you do what
you're supposed to do, this stuff, it becomes a reality.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
And it's happened at high school level. At my current school,
we have one of the top runners in the country
and she's a she's running for New Balance.
Speaker 4 (38:57):
She's a nice she's fourteen years old. Aunt, she's story mci.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
S Kelley set the indoor records last year in the
nationals for as an eighth grader for the mile and
two mile, and these companies, Nike and New Balance are
reaching out to her.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
She's fourteen years old, right, but she works really hard.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
And when I talk to the parents, I just continue
to stress, keep doing what you're supposed to do, do
your due.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Diligence, but keep working hard.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
And this is what happens with hard work now in
today's world, right, it happens earlier on. So you know,
just try try keeping you know, that mindset right and
where you can focus on the work, focus on becoming better,
and these things happen right and now that's a possibility
in today's world where you can get paid at such
a young age.
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yeah, and like to me, it's not a bit. They
don't understand the money, they don't know what money is.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
They want the brand deals.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
Right right, right, It's for just a status, right, It's
a status to show how good they are.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yep, that's what that is for sure at that age.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
But I'm excited for a couple of weeks and we
had some great that we'll be working with high school coaches,
college coaches, sports psychologists. So in the coming weeks we'll
have a lot of different guests to kind of talk
about you sports and the NIL project. And again, if
you have any questions, please reach out to Anthony.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And we want to continue to grow just things.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
So we appreciate everyone, all the listeners and the producers
and everyone back there.
Speaker 3 (40:19):
So thank you. All right, buddy, we love it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Once again, it's Anthony Augarganocomcast dot and then stay tuned.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
The Fellas are coming up next.
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