In a new episode of Project NIL with Anthony Gargano & William Penn Charter School Director of Athletics Danny DiBerardinis discuss the cost of youth sports on families, creating the haves and have nots. William Penn Charter School Head Coach Frank DeLano also stops by.
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Speaker 3 (00:46):
But first let's tackle a big week. Good morning, Danny
d what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Cause how we doing? Baby?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know you you were locked in Oklahoma Alabama last night.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, man, they fell apart. They started so hot. I
was like, man, they're gonna they're gonnah.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
But credit to bamav you know, for fighting and sticking
with it and finishing the first half strong. And then
you know, Oklahoma just I think they took all the
juice out of them.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I mean, geez picked six and uh when the
punter drops the punt, yeah, you know that can't happen
like those two turnovers, Like you know, it's just at
that point you just gave him the game. And then
and then all of a sudden, Batman's defense gets a
little juice, a couple stops and uh and and they
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lost all the momentum.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It'mum, the real thing. And when it when it hits
you hard, it's it.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
We'll see who were you know, who can bounce back
and and handle it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But you know we saw last we saw Thursday night
with the ram Seattle. That's it is a real thing.
I tell people, it's why analymtics work up into a point.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Ye. When the field there's nothing like football.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When the field tips, it feels like you're going up
a mountain.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yep, you start breathing a little heavier. You know, moments
just feel a little bigger.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It's just you know, everyone's a little tighter, not running
the right they usually run, so it's difficult. But yeah,
credit to Batman man at shows resilience. I always say,
adversity bilge character.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, I know you's a lot of your messaging to
the kids. It was a big week in youth sports.
I mean major happenings, big stories. And the one we
got to talk about is is uh pretty wild because
Congress sat down over youth sports. House Education Subcommittee examines
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the cost of youth sports for families. Several lawmakers expressed
interest in improving youth sports by offering more opportunities for
children to play regardless of skill level, as well as
removing financial barriers. So basically, the crisis is this that
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youth sports is becoming for a select few for kids,
the better athletes, the parents with means, you know, struggling parents.
So it's got a lot, you know, and the private
equity firms that are moving into youth sports has changed
the landscape dramatically for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I mean, it's so they list it's a forty billion
dollar industry youth sports today. So like we've talked about
in the past, billion dollar, multi billion dollar, they're they're
evaluating that a forty billion dollar industry. So money's obviously
driving it, right, and it's because it's pricing people out. Congress,
you know, they noted that seventy percent of kids are
quitting sports by the age of thirteen. And there's a
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lot of factors that go into it, right, the specialization, injuries, burnout,
but also cost. You know, we're telling these kids, you know,
they're kidding at twelve thirteen.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
We're losing them before.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
You know, we talk about the CENIL money, we're losing
them before then il, we're losing them before they get
to college because of how expensive it is. They're saying
it cost over one thousand dollars per family per season.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's the minimum to play these travel sports right now.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So yeah, yeah, you know, I mean listen as a
parent of too. Yeah, I mean, you know, especially baseball.
Baseball is Baseball's tough man. You know, Yeah, the expensive
the travel is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yah know.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I mean, so we talk about all this money at
the top of NIL, but we're bleeding the families out
at the bottom just to stay involved, right And that's
and I think that's a bigger problem, right, like, because
it's such a big industry, we're bleeding out and not
allowing these you know, these low income families or middle
class families to be.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Able to afford for the kids to play it.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Or they're you know, the other side of it is
they see this money in the NIL and they're they're
making these specialization and they're burning kids out, and it's
becoming you know, it's becoming a big issue. And you
know it's crazy that Congress is now having to you know,
step in and you know, try to find some solutions.
One of them they mentioned is, you know, some of
the tax money that we get from sports betting to
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try to push back in to build local you know,
city and uh you know state more, you know, youth
programming with that money.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, it's it's in theory, it's great, but it
has to work itself through the infrastructure, and.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So let's take baseball, okay, because baseball is the American
pastime and every kid played little league and then you know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You played leadion ball.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, look at the iconic movies saying a lot
like we all did, right, we all played all.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Field the street, stick against factories.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And all that stuff. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But I look at baseball now and I mean it's
the haves and haves, not like and have nots. And
I don't just mean with financial resources. I also mean
there's only a handful of kids that really can play
it because the disparity between them, Like I coach it, right,
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and you know, I remember when my little one was
like eight, nine, ten, like during that period. He's twelve now,
So during that period, you know, kids start to get
really good, right, like kids play team ball and all,
and then all of a sudden they start to separate.
And then all of a sudden, like once they're like
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ten and especially in the eleven twelve, they can't be
on the same field together, Yeah, because other kids can
get hurt, like the way they hit the ball, the
way they throw, the way they pitch. If they're on
the field together, it's a danger risk. I remember one
kid and he wanted to play the infield, and he was,
you know, like crying to me about not playing the infield,
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and I was afraid to play him there because like
he couldn't play. I wound up trying to put him
in second, and I uh, I had him playing deep
just to get him the feel for it. But I
remember being frightened that this kids wouldna get get hurt
because the way they hit the.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Ball, No, for sure, it's it's a wild thing. And
and a.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Couple of points that they like harped on in this
hearing were you know, overuse in injuries. Right, kids are
specializing earlier in this you know, play to playground. So
it says like, you know, there's all this burnout and injury.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But the NIL was saying like we're we're pushing this
nil thing. But it doesn't matter if kids are getting hurt,
burntout and quitting before high school.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So then it's like this small few where we're carrying
a out.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
The you know, the small percentage of these kids that
are trying to you know, push through. We're training kids
to you know, chase exposure opposed to like building their
skills and you know, you know, becoming more active. And
you know, that's a dangerous model if we if we
don't you know, try to figure out ways to combat it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, now, you're right, it's not about like, hey, let's
be in shape and let's be a kid who's active.
It's about let's you know, who's the next great you know,
finding the next great player.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And they talk about that, they say, like child obesity
is growing and a lot of it is because U sports.
The number is declining because of these factors.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
So U sports is one of the best public health
tools that we have in the country, right, getting kids
out of the house, right, especially now with all this technology,
getting them out of the house, getting them active, getting
them running, you know, having them interact with kids, learning
life skills. We're losing that. And a part of it
is just pay to play. The big part of it
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is the best realization. And again, like some families are
priced out. So how do we fix that? Is really
what the focus of Congress when it was addressed this week.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know, you just touched on something, though. The biggest
issue is the video games and the technology. And I'm
on the electronics all day long because what's happening is
kids aren't out playing ball. Like when you and I
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were growing up, we were out until. You know, you
leave the house in the summer day, you left the
house in the morning, you came home for dinner, he
went back outside, and you play whatever it was, basketball, baseball, football,
hockey in the street. Like whatever it was we played,
we all played together. We were out there constantly. So
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there was a natural interest in being out and being
and playing. And then you had your teams. Right now,
we were all your our school teams and doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But there was an interest on it, interest for it
or in it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's our biggest hurdle is how do you get kids
away from screens?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, definitely, And I think part of what Congress said is,
like I think there needs to be more. Like I
grew up in rec centers obviously, right, my dad was
the recommissioner for Philadelphia, But like they had such great
programming to keep us busy during the day, right, Like
I would leave the house early in the morning, but
I would run to the rec center and there were
always some type of with football league or basketball league.
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There was people that were running these types of programming.
And I think that is lacking, right, I think that's
part of a bus So definitely the technology piece, how
do you combat it. There's so much technology out there
that is keeping these kids locked in, and I think
it has to be a push from everybody. Has to
be a push from the parents' side, has to be
pushed from you know, the city and state to have
more funding, to have better programming, to kind of push
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these kids. That's free and they can come in and
try something with having to spend two thousand dollars to
be a part of a team. Right, I mean, that
is that's a huge thing. And I think the goal
is to not raise like the greatest twelve year old
baseball player in the country. I think the goal is
to raise like health well, you know, well around the
kids that at twenty they love sports still, right, they
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don't have this you know, love hate relationship with it
because it wasn't forced upon them. But they had these
avenues to escape to and you know, things to build
them and become you know, better human beings. Like my
best friends that I grew up with. The bond was
over sports man. We meet at the playground and we
play tabs, we play whatever. But that's where you know,
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I met lifelong friends and you know, became the person
I am. But a lot of it, some of it,
you know, comes back to having those great rec centers
and great programming at the city and state levels.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So where do you begin?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like that's the that's that's the thing that is so
so daunting for me.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know, I think there just has to be a
continued conversation about it, and we have to identify it
that it's a problem.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I think people were because there's so much money behind
it and it's growing so rapidly and you know, again
forty billion dollar industry. I think people are hesitant to
really call what it is and there's an issue with it, right,
So how do we go about fixing that? And how
do we go about you know, stepping in the face
of you know, making some serious change.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So all right, the cost the you need volunteers, you
need coaches, you need a lot of less. Like the
travel thing is ridiculous, Like there needs to be some
sort of watch dog for that industry, you know. Like sure,
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I was talking about it the other day. I mean,
we spend a rom on a lke to go to
South It for a tournament. We're playing it in the
tournament is another Southeastern PA team?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Why why am I play you know, flying hotels right,
you know, and then you're out dinners and meals and
everything else to play a team that's twenty minutes away
from me.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Again, people, there's someone getting paid on that side, right
to push these people and raise it. So again, it's
like finding ways to combat that where you get more
strategic with how you're playing and where you're going and
finding ways hopefully to offset some of these costs. If
Congress can find a way to really put money in
a good place to offset it, because again, you shouldn't
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have to spend thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
To be involved in a sport, you know, and that's
where it is right now.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So what about what about interest?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Like, how do you how do you get kids interested
in sports?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's the other problem.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
If the parent isn't pushing listen, if left to my
their own device, my two kids would be would be lost,
like they would be you know, overweight, and they would
be watching you know, I mean, playing video games and
eating pizza, right Like that's that's human nature, that's kids.
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But that that's what they would do. They love their
ridy get video games. I have to monitor. It's a
constant fight.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, it's and it they when I did a little
bit of research, they say, like the turning point was
COVID because it was all blowing right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yes, we put a stop to it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Kids got more used to staying inside right there. There
wasn't a ton going on outside the house. And then
we've never really gotten back from it. And since we've
gotten back from it, this specialization and this you know,
pay to play movement have really took off post COVID.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yes, yes, you know, COVID was the worst. I go
back to it and think about it. COVID was the
absolute worst because it did it made kids and said
cats potatoes and homebodies. It did, and the problem is
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people got too comfy and like you still see it, like,
you know, I get remote working and there's a million
things and some good came out of it. But the
bad is with kids just not being outside. They don't
keep me, they don't hang out even listen. I have
a sixteen year old and he spends his interaction with
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his friends. It's more through video games that it is
anything else between you know, school and practice. Right there,
you go, they get together once on the weekends. Right,
It's not like you know, run up in the northeast
or in a city city skate where you're walking to
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school together, you're hanging out.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It's just a different.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
World for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, it's again I think it's some of it comes
on the parent, right, some of it's the programming side
of it. I think some of it is, you know,
just having these opportunities for kids to kind of try
different things, and a lot of youth programs like like
elementary and lower level stuff, you know, more instructional based
programming to try to get kids out. Like I was
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lucky enough to have a great youth organization up the street,
to have all these different types. It was fish Town
AC and they had great clubs that had all different
types of program.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
We had multiple levels a team B.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Team, right, So it welcomed kids from all walks and
skill levels, right, And I think that's dying as well,
and that's part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
It's more it's a select team. It's can you make
this team? And then again it's.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's it, it's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We're creating at twelve, and this is the danger and
this is what's scary. We're creating a professional division almost right,
Like it's the professionalization that youth sports. So what we're
seeing is the kids and this is it, like, hey,
these are all pros, but these are the kids that
can play play and the other ones watched from the sidelines,
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which means they don't play. They're in their house playing
video games.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yeah, so that's it's like the haves and have nots
right now. Posed it it was all welcome, right. We
had different skill levels, we had different things. Like another
stat I saw so like just to play in a
regular season in a thousand if you play for a
travel team like you were just talking about your son,
the average cost is over three thousand per season. Well, yeah,
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that's the does have the schools you know to go
to have a grade school?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, Baseball like almost four grand a year. I mean
for the I see it like in the spring. The
dudes are the bills coming up, you know fourth that
doesn't count, the bats that doesn't travel.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That's just that's just to pay to play. And it's
not without all the equipment. That's all with all your
gas money you're spending right.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, I mean I think about it. It's it's a drant.
Like now listen and you know football and everything else. Hey,
coming up, we're gonna I got a great guest for
us UH coach Frank Delano from Haddenfield, New Jersey. He
coaches Haddonfield High School. He's he just wanted seventh championship.
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He's a stud great coach, but he's also a dad
and he coaches Little league and he's gonna he's the
father of a twelve year old. And we have this
conversation a lot, and he's gonna join the fray because
I want you to throw a lot of this stuff
in him. I mean, the whole point of this is
not just to identify the problems, but to try to
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come up with some solutions.
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Danny de Bernadinas are a d and joining us. I'm
Anthony Gargeta from the Fellas and Residents Sports Dad and
joining us. Dan is a great coach, a great football coach. Effect.
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He just won his seventh title, his seventh state title
in fourteen years. He's got one hundred and eighty eight
career wins. He's got he is. We was inducted into
New Jersey Hall of Fame in twenty twenty one. He's
an incredible coach, but he's also a dad father of
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a twelve year old. We together running these circles coaching
Little league baseball and youth basketball, and enjoining us is
the great Frank Delano.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Good morning, coach, how are you, buddy?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Thank good morning, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So we got into this conversation because Congress had a
committee subcommittee this week about the issues involving youth sports
and the idea of the pay for play model and
how it's kind of driving kids away and the numbers
just aren't there anymore. You as a coach and educator,
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you see this stuff and the issues with it every day.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Oh gosh, you absolutely do. As a as a coach,
as a sixth grade teacher, you hear it. You hear
it in in your classrooms. You hear about everything, and honestly,
you just hear about the insanity of it, quite frankly,
like you hear about you know, timelines, and you know,
we have to play three seasons. We have to do this.
It's kind of scary in the direction in which you
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kind of see see it going, right, guys, like you know,
you're sitting there. Never really when we were growing up,
like it was the greatest thing, Like you had a
chance to play three seasons, right, you know in the
winter time, right, you know, in our area, and right,
you know, you're sitting here, you're you know, emulating like, hey,
I'm rod Ors, I'm doing whatever it is, right, And
then next you know, next thing, you know, you're a
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doctor j And then you followed it up, and you know,
you followed up in the spring and you're Mike Schmidt.
Well you're not allowed to do that anymore. Apparently, apparently
someone said along the line that you're not allowed to
be a three sport athlete. But I don't know where
where that started, where that model. I think you got
a good hunch where it is. It's all financially motivated.
But it's sad. It's sad that that's the harsh reality
of the world right now where kids feel that they
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got to get sports specific, which is technically obviously going
to drive numbers away when you have kids, hey, maybe
aren't playing three different sports anymore. So it's a sad
state of affairs, quite frankly, if you asked me about
about this, because obviously, shoot, you're born and raised, you know,
on a sidelines, on an ice hockey rink or on
a deck hockey rink or whatever it is that you're doing.
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You know, when was the last time you saw kids
just in the backyard playing, right, Like, if it's not structure,
don't we don't do it right, we don't do it.
It's sad, exact.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, you now, the coaching congratulations on the championship. I mean,
you're doing a great job over there, and you keep
it up. You're doing a service to the area and
we're very proud of you.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I appreciate that, thank you for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So it's ever changing, right.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
We talk about it all the time and like it's
the specialization, it's it's the money, right And me and
Aunt talk about it like one percent of you know,
high school athletes play Division I sports and one percent
of them make it pro right. But for some reason
with the technology and the social media. You know, I
don't want to crush people's dreams, but that is you know,
pushing kids to that model, right. So that's something that
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we're always trying to have to combat as you know,
the haves and have nots in the sports.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
But I do have a question for you. You know,
you kind of live in two worlds.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You know, you're a high school football coach, but you're
also a parent of a student athlete. So dealing with that,
like how do you how do those seats look, how
do those two different seats look for you?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And how are you navigating that.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I am tearning exactly the way we're coaching, and it's
just the reality that I want Maddie d to play
for a different sports. I wanted Lauren Delano when my
senior in high school. I wanted her to play, you know,
as many things as she or he humanly wants. My
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son does not have a pitching coach. My son does
not have a hitting coach. Like he doesn't you know,
I want him to go and enjoy everything. The kitty
is just turned thirteen years old. You getting ready to
play what sixty ninety baseball? He's not gonna be able
to hit the ball out of the infield, right, Let's
call it what it is. Right, Let him grow, let
him find his way, find his wife, find what motivates him.
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So for me, yeah, there is that timeline where it's like,
as a high school football coach, there's nothing better right
now this time of year to you go and you
watch one of our players who are sitting on you know,
on a court, you know, sitting here at the back
end of the game. Who's got to hit a front
end of a one on one in front of a
pack gym? You know, to sit there and ice a
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game where to be one of the four, you know,
fourteen starting spots on a wrestling mat, right, Like, this
is what athletics and competitions about, right, And I think
we're getting too narrow focused. As you mentioned about a
money piece, right, the money is just insane.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
You put God, I love I love hitting coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
You put him in a soft toss environment. You're sitting
on a chair, you're six feet away, you're underhanding the ball, right,
and the kid, oh, look at this wing, Look at
this wing. And then you got a parent back end
filming the thing looking at him, look at him right,
and then they go in a real life situation and
he looked at the three straight pitches, strike three, you know,
like one, good morning, good night, good afternoon, right, get
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out right, It's.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Crazy the parents expecting a rod going what are you doing?
Man like swinging the ball and then the pressure and
then all of a sudden, the kid goes, I don't want.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
To play baseball, correct, you know, and you and I
have talked about this before. You know, I want and
I want all I want mad and I want all
kids to love it when it matters, right like at
ten years old, you know, athletics, you just puts to
be fun. Falster, that love, falster, that energy. When you
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get to high school is when it starts to matter.
You just make reference to it right there, and I'll
use I'll use the football model. There's sixteen thousand schools,
excuse me, to play high school football in the in
the country, right, and two percent of all those high
school players are going to go on to play four
years about with football, period. So I don't know what
we're exactly pushing. And I you know, and for the
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fortunate part, for like a football, that's one of the
only sports that you could physically still play three sports
if you have you know, the right coach, who doesn't
you know, we're not worrying about the seven on seven
model and playing football in your underwear and all this nonsense,
like you literally, like I don't understand where coach the
guidance is being given from a high school coaching standpoint. Hey,
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you've got to play base, you got to play fallball.
Why those those twenty at bats in the cold weather
in that tournament really is going to make a difference. Now,
go compete, Go play something else. Go callous yourself, you know,
And and if you know that story, you know, you
and I talked about briefly the other day, Like we
were in a in a state semifinal game this year, right,
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and we're sitting here and unfortunately our starter starting quarterback
got hurt in the first quarter and you know, Danny
got you know, I know the introduction, you said, our
seventh state title. And you guys know in the state
of New Jersey. How you know, I know for all
these the listeners that are all over the country here
that the state has changed its model multiple times from
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a playoff standpoint. Right, So the first six times we
won the max that we could win in the state
of New Jersey, right, it played to a sectional title,
then it played to a regional title. Well, this year, Shorts,
you know, we won our sectional title for the seventh time,
as mentioned, But we're now in the state semi final.
We're playing a really good football team and our starting
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quarterback gets hurt and it's early in the first midway
through the first quarter, and we get a sophomore command
and the beauty and the poise and the confident that
this kid, you know, just you just saw it, man,
and it was infectious to everybody. Why yeah, maybe because
he played in our youth program since he was a
Hilo Grass Opera and we were fortunate enough to be
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able to develop them. But the other thing I don't
want to go unnoticed with this was this kid was
a starter for a lacrosse team last year, you know,
for our high school team who you know, had a
good run in a playoffs. He had those other experiences
on those other stages, and it was great because you know,
the stadium's packed, you're playing it, you know, an unbelievable team,
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right and we're sitting here and the only thing he asked, Hey, guys,
you just slow down the sign. I'm a little overstimulator
right now, right? How about that?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Right? I love that story.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You love it.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They're playing the States the final game right here. It
is you're you're playing a team, but you got two
tackles that are six seven, three hundred pounds? Is please
put on the signs? Why? Because he's a multi sport
athlete that has been put in those situations prior. It
wasn't the first time the lights were bright. And I
don't understand how the adults, how his educators. If we're
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in this thing for the right reason that we are
providing this guidance of you've got to specify, you got
to get sports specific. But the seven year old, for
what right they can barely chew gum and walk right
in the same time. Right, and yet but here we go,
We're gonna go we're gonna go sit in front of
that personal instructor and hit a ball from six feet away,
and then we're going to go to a real game.
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We're going to drop the ball there. Yet. You know what,
let's hey, mom, dad, a couple more lessons, so it's
not going to cost you about five hundred more bucks.
And I promise you're going to get that hitch out
of this thing. I'm going to get that delivery right. Hey,
run a video then and were then you know what,
You've got to then put it on Twitter to see
if you can get in the scholarship.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
We're going to share it on social media. That's that's
the thing, right, What.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Are we doing? I just think we're all in this thing,
And unfortunately I don't want to say we all. I
think you had as you mentioned about the social media pieces,
we're in this thing for the wrong reasons. Everything. Once
it became about the money, once it became about hey,
I can profit off of all of this. I think
the essence of it. You remember to day that the
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little league to brawl out bag right, neverth bag to
get it right, And all of a sudden, your helmet
right was on the kid at second base when you yes.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We shared that stuff. Yes, that's the only one.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
That's where's the bat? Where's that one bat? Where's the
one bat?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's great getting it from the other side. You're born
from the other team.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Oh my gosh, Like, what are we doing? This is crazy?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's my bat bag is worth more to my car?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Is that right? That is fantastic. We said that the
other day. We were joking around because you know, I
we I do you know coach a little bit of
Matt you know, we call it kind of a.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Traveler Danny real quick, Frank and eye coach with each
other or part of each other in football, basketball, and baseball.
And he's a finds time to be a Hall of Fame,
you know, high school football coach. So you know that's
he's an involved dad.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, but but it's it's just my numbing. It's truly,
it's my numbing where we're going. And I think, truly
you're right, it all oil down to educated parents. It
also what's your why? What's the end game of this? Right?
Is it really for your kid's best experience? Because I
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know every every nine year old wants to get up
at five in the morning, get in a car and
drive for an hour and a half to go play
an eight o'clock game in seven degree wather when it's
baseball season, you know, you know fall ball, right, Like
every kid wants to do that, right, he really does,
he really does.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Stop one one quick thing we're big on, you know,
giving advice to parents on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Sure, if there's one piece of advice.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
You can give a parent, you know, for long term
and you know, just trying to get a high school
student athlete to you know, thrive in high school sports.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
What do you think that would be.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Make sure we're in it for the right reason, to
make sure these kids get foster the love of the
game and not send it the other way.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
You know, kid's going to go you know, regardless of sport,
Kid's going to go over three. Right, Why are we
yelling extreme?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
The kids?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know also understand that burnout is real, right, burnout
is real. I started to mention it like I want
you know, all kids to love the sport when it
truly matters, right, and you know it when you know
you're an ad the what's the goal?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Right?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
The goal? You know, And when I started this, you know,
I've been our head coach here, how does that I
go down for twenty four seasons?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Right?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I hope we didn't miss this as coaches as parents, right,
I hope we just keep the end game in mind
and what truly is our why and why we're doing this?
And you know, do we coach right to be successful
or to make a difference. I don't think they need
to be mutually exclusive, but I also know to be
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really mindful of making sure we intertwine them both because
why for a kid's the success isn't necessarily determined about
our wins and losses. It about that, especially a kid
who's nine, eight, nine, ten years old, it's that well
if he brings some of the bring that energy and
want to and bring that passion for the game when
it matters, because you want to come back, if she
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want to come back the following year, and hey, you
have not talk to a friend and just listen to
them talk to their friends. Well, this is that really stuck.
We're We're no, man, this was awesome. I want to
bring up buddy. So for me, the advice is, you know,
just knows, gosh, foster the love of it. Don't go
the other way with it. Listen have conversations, you know,
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and just make sure that you know the end game
and man, because they're just pushing kids way too fast,
right and honestly, what kid needs to play one hundred
and seventeen baseball games? And you know, and it could
be the most boring sport on the plane at a time.
It's done the wrong way. And if a kid is
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getting forced to do that, you know, and then you're
going to place you know, soccer all year round, like
just you know, come on, the multi sport athlete is
not It shouldn't be a lost start. And I think
people just do their research and do their homework here
a little bit, right, because go back to what dall
of the NFL drafts, of all first John draft decks
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are multi sport athletes. Yeah, we're specifying at nine years
old he can't play this Why because he's got folle ball.
But he can't do this because he's got travel soccer
all year round?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
What is what is going on?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm a coach, you're you're you're so right that that's
a great message. We got to get you back. You
are awesome. Coach Frank Delano had Infield High School. Uh
Hall of Famer seven championships, but more importantly, a dad
and an educator making a difference. Uh, we want to
launde you. Thanks for doing this, brother. We we love
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your messaging.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Thank you man.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Thanks having to look forward to connecting soon, guys.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
With Marry Chris is buddy there he is, Frank Delena.
We'll come back Project nil. Just a moment, won't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You're listening to sports radio radio.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Ah, welcome back Project Nil. Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to
everybody out there. Uh, Danny Dvad Anthony Gargano sports that.
And here's the thing, Dan, we talk a lot all
morning about this congress Uh here this congressional hearing.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And you know, coach was awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
He's great, He's an educator and I love his messaging.
I always want to amplify it. The one thing that
we talked about was a lot about specialization. But even
if we were able to tackle that and got our
kids not to specialize, the issue is we're still dealing
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with the same pool of kids, right, Like, how do
we expand the field, Like how do we get other
kids and make it the masses for them to heat
instead of a select few in the arena and everybody
else watching.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yeah, like we talked earlier, I think some of the
big things are at starting at the youth level, right
at the young you know, at the really young five
six seven year old level.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Right, that has kind of really changed.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I think, you know, we got a fund, you know,
hopefully the government funds like pilots in the community based things. Right,
there's a little bit more oversight. Right, there's there's no
guardrails on anything. Nil, there's no guardrails. There's no guardrails really.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
On youth sports.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Now, well you never thought there would have to be, right,
but there's there's no guardrails. And you know, I think
we got to continue, you know, obviously I'm a little biased,
but continue to support the parks and recks and support
the school sport.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I think that's it. Yeah, you you nail it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Parks and recr Your father ran Philadelphia is Parking Reck.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You saw it in action.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And I think that's that's a big key at that
age to foster activity.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yeah, the programming has changed again, it's post COVID, it's changed.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But also, like you know, I understand the kid is different.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
But I think we you know, we saw the resistance,
and we pivoted opposed to pushing through that resistance and
pushing them to be out there and continue to invest
in the community and have these programming for.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
These kids to be active.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I have a couple buddies that their kids are, you know,
at their local rec center, and it's great for their development.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
My good friend Joey, his son's playing everything right now.
He's five years old. He's in everything, but he has
a good local neighborhood programming where he's able to do basketball,
able to do soccer, able to do you know, baseball,
do all these different sports because there's an avenue for it.
I think we need to continue to push that and
make sure that these kids have these opportunities.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I got an idea, all right, because one of the
things that the issues are, like listen, I'm with you.
In the city, we know that environment suburbs become all
about parent driven.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's there's gotta be more than.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Gym class in school, right, Like gym class just can't
be about physical fitness. It should be about sports that
I get through varied sports, but I think there needs
to be more of that in the grade schools that
foster you know, the competition.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, No, I think obviously being in shape is really important,
but the competition and learning of the actual sport, right,
don't just roll out a ball and say chase it
and run around. The actual education part, how to hit
a ball correctly, how to kick a ball correctly?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Right, that should be happening at the school level as well.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
I think that's a great idea, and I think there
should be more emphasis on it. I think again, we've
gone away from some of these key factors.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, I got like I remember, like I've been shocked
at kids that didn't know how to throw a ball.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, but that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Stuff needs to be taught in school, Like that's important,
like just as a in the same way as a
little as a child, like you need to learn stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Oh, you know, and and again just to heighten their
interest a little bit.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
No, I I a thousand percent agree, and I think
it's a it's a great point, and we got to
keep you know, we gotta keep growing, and we gotta
keep asking these questions, right. I think it's important for
parents to ask questions.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I think it's important for schools to keep.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Get them pass part, get them off the video games.
You gotta monitor it. It just takes over because that's
it's meant to be addictive, and that's all.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
They want to do.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yep, keeping them locked up.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
All right, that's gonna do it for us. Great stuff
this morning, my brother
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Speaker 3 (00:09):
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Football playoffs. As uh, last night Oklahoma fell apart and
Alabama shockeda. We're all more on that with the Fellas
(00:42):
coming up with Jeff Schwartz and about an hour.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
But first let's tackle a big week. Good morning, Danny
d what's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Cause how we doing? Baby?
Speaker 2 (00:52):
I know you you were locked in Oklahoma Alabama last night.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Yeah, man, they fell apart. They started so hot. I
was like, man, they're gonna they're gonnah.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
But credit to bamav you know, for fighting and sticking
with it and finishing the first half strong. And then
you know, Oklahoma just I think they took all the
juice out of them.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Well, I mean, geez picked six and uh when the
punter drops the punt, yeah, you know that can't happen
like those two turnovers, Like you know, it's just at
that point you just gave him the game. And then
and then all of a sudden, Batman's defense gets a
little juice, a couple stops and uh and and they
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lost all the momentum.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
It'mum, the real thing. And when it when it hits
you hard, it's it.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
We'll see who were you know, who can bounce back
and and handle it.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
But you know we saw last we saw Thursday night
with the ram Seattle. That's it is a real thing.
I tell people, it's why analymtics work up into a point.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Ye. When the field there's nothing like football.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When the field tips, it feels like you're going up
a mountain.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yep, you start breathing a little heavier. You know, moments
just feel a little bigger.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
It's just you know, everyone's a little tighter, not running
the right they usually run, so it's difficult. But yeah,
credit to Batman man at shows resilience. I always say,
adversity bilge character.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, I know you's a lot of your messaging to
the kids. It was a big week in youth sports.
I mean major happenings, big stories. And the one we
got to talk about is is uh pretty wild because
Congress sat down over youth sports. House Education Subcommittee examines
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the cost of youth sports for families. Several lawmakers expressed
interest in improving youth sports by offering more opportunities for
children to play regardless of skill level, as well as
removing financial barriers. So basically, the crisis is this that
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youth sports is becoming for a select few for kids,
the better athletes, the parents with means, you know, struggling parents.
So it's got a lot, you know, and the private
equity firms that are moving into youth sports has changed
the landscape dramatically for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
I mean, it's so they list it's a forty billion
dollar industry youth sports today. So like we've talked about
in the past, billion dollar, multi billion dollar, they're they're
evaluating that a forty billion dollar industry. So money's obviously
driving it, right, and it's because it's pricing people out. Congress,
you know, they noted that seventy percent of kids are
quitting sports by the age of thirteen. And there's a
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lot of factors that go into it, right, the specialization, injuries, burnout,
but also cost. You know, we're telling these kids, you know,
they're kidding at twelve thirteen.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
We're losing them before.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
You know, we talk about the CENIL money, we're losing
them before then il, we're losing them before they get
to college because of how expensive it is. They're saying
it cost over one thousand dollars per family per season.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
That's the minimum to play these travel sports right now.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So yeah, yeah, you know, I mean listen as a
parent of too. Yeah, I mean, you know, especially baseball.
Baseball is Baseball's tough man. You know, Yeah, the expensive
the travel is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yah know.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I mean, so we talk about all this money at
the top of NIL, but we're bleeding the families out
at the bottom just to stay involved, right And that's
and I think that's a bigger problem, right, like, because
it's such a big industry, we're bleeding out and not
allowing these you know, these low income families or middle
class families to be.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Able to afford for the kids to play it.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Or they're you know, the other side of it is
they see this money in the NIL and they're they're
making these specialization and they're burning kids out, and it's
becoming you know, it's becoming a big issue. And you
know it's crazy that Congress is now having to you know,
step in and you know, try to find some solutions.
One of them they mentioned is, you know, some of
the tax money that we get from sports betting to
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try to push back in to build local you know,
city and uh you know state more, you know, youth
programming with that money.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I mean, it's it's in theory, it's great, but it
has to work itself through the infrastructure, and.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I just don't.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
So let's take baseball, okay, because baseball is the American
pastime and every kid played little league and then you know.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
You played leadion ball.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I mean, look at the iconic movies saying a lot
like we all did, right, we all played all.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Field the street, stick against factories.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
And all that stuff. Right.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
But I look at baseball now and I mean it's
the haves and haves, not like and have nots. And
I don't just mean with financial resources. I also mean
there's only a handful of kids that really can play
it because the disparity between them, Like I coach it, right,
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and you know, I remember when my little one was
like eight, nine, ten, like during that period. He's twelve now,
So during that period, you know, kids start to get
really good, right, like kids play team ball and all,
and then all of a sudden they start to separate.
And then all of a sudden, like once they're like
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ten and especially in the eleven twelve, they can't be
on the same field together, Yeah, because other kids can
get hurt, like the way they hit the ball, the
way they throw, the way they pitch. If they're on
the field together, it's a danger risk. I remember one
kid and he wanted to play the infield, and he was,
you know, like crying to me about not playing the infield,
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and I was afraid to play him there because like
he couldn't play. I wound up trying to put him
in second, and I uh, I had him playing deep
just to get him the feel for it. But I
remember being frightened that this kids wouldna get get hurt
because the way they hit the.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
Ball, No, for sure, it's it's a wild thing. And
and a.
Speaker 5 (07:36):
Couple of points that they like harped on in this
hearing were you know, overuse in injuries. Right, kids are
specializing earlier in this you know, play to playground. So
it says like, you know, there's all this burnout and injury.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
But the NIL was saying like we're we're pushing this
nil thing. But it doesn't matter if kids are getting hurt,
burntout and quitting before high school.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
So then it's like this small few where we're carrying
a out.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
The you know, the small percentage of these kids that
are trying to you know, push through. We're training kids
to you know, chase exposure opposed to like building their
skills and you know, you know, becoming more active. And
you know, that's a dangerous model if we if we
don't you know, try to figure out ways to combat it.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, now, you're right, it's not about like, hey, let's
be in shape and let's be a kid who's active.
It's about let's you know, who's the next great you know,
finding the next great player.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
And they talk about that, they say, like child obesity
is growing and a lot of it is because U sports.
The number is declining because of these factors.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Right.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
So U sports is one of the best public health
tools that we have in the country, right, getting kids
out of the house, right, especially now with all this technology,
getting them out of the house, getting them active, getting
them running, you know, having them interact with kids, learning
life skills. We're losing that. And a part of it
is just pay to play. The big part of it
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is the best realization. And again, like some families are
priced out. So how do we fix that? Is really
what the focus of Congress when it was addressed this week.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
You know, you just touched on something, though. The biggest
issue is the video games and the technology. And I'm
on the electronics all day long because what's happening is
kids aren't out playing ball. Like when you and I
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were growing up, we were out until. You know, you
leave the house in the summer day, you left the
house in the morning, you came home for dinner, he
went back outside, and you play whatever it was, basketball, baseball, football,
hockey in the street. Like whatever it was we played,
we all played together. We were out there constantly. So
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there was a natural interest in being out and being
and playing. And then you had your teams. Right now,
we were all your our school teams and doing this.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
But there was an interest on it, interest for it
or in it.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
That's our biggest hurdle is how do you get kids
away from screens?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
Yeah, definitely, And I think part of what Congress said is,
like I think there needs to be more. Like I
grew up in rec centers obviously, right, my dad was
the recommissioner for Philadelphia, But like they had such great
programming to keep us busy during the day, right, Like
I would leave the house early in the morning, but
I would run to the rec center and there were
always some type of with football league or basketball league.
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There was people that were running these types of programming.
And I think that is lacking, right, I think that's
part of a bus So definitely the technology piece, how
do you combat it. There's so much technology out there
that is keeping these kids locked in, and I think
it has to be a push from everybody. Has to
be a push from the parents' side, has to be
pushed from you know, the city and state to have
more funding, to have better programming, to kind of push
(11:01):
these kids. That's free and they can come in and
try something with having to spend two thousand dollars to
be a part of a team. Right, I mean, that
is that's a huge thing. And I think the goal
is to not raise like the greatest twelve year old
baseball player in the country. I think the goal is
to raise like health well, you know, well around the
kids that at twenty they love sports still, right, they
(11:23):
don't have this you know, love hate relationship with it
because it wasn't forced upon them. But they had these
avenues to escape to and you know, things to build
them and become you know, better human beings. Like my
best friends that I grew up with. The bond was
over sports man. We meet at the playground and we
play tabs, we play whatever. But that's where you know,
(11:43):
I met lifelong friends and you know, became the person
I am. But a lot of it, some of it,
you know, comes back to having those great rec centers
and great programming at the city and state levels.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So where do you begin?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Like that's the that's that's the thing that is so
so daunting for me.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You know, I think there just has to be a
continued conversation about it, and we have to identify it
that it's a problem.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Right.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
I think people were because there's so much money behind
it and it's growing so rapidly and you know, again
forty billion dollar industry. I think people are hesitant to
really call what it is and there's an issue with it, right,
So how do we go about fixing that? And how
do we go about you know, stepping in the face
of you know, making some serious change.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
So all right, the cost the you need volunteers, you
need coaches, you need a lot of less. Like the
travel thing is ridiculous, Like there needs to be some
sort of watch dog for that industry, you know. Like sure,
(12:56):
I was talking about it the other day. I mean,
we spend a rom on a lke to go to
South It for a tournament. We're playing it in the
tournament is another Southeastern PA team?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Why why am I play you know, flying hotels right,
you know, and then you're out dinners and meals and
everything else to play a team that's twenty minutes away
from me.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
Again, people, there's someone getting paid on that side, right
to push these people and raise it. So again, it's
like finding ways to combat that where you get more
strategic with how you're playing and where you're going and
finding ways hopefully to offset some of these costs. If
Congress can find a way to really put money in
a good place to offset it, because again, you shouldn't
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have to spend thousands of dollars.
Speaker 4 (13:46):
To be involved in a sport, you know, and that's
where it is right now.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
So what about what about interest?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Like, how do you how do you get kids interested
in sports?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
That's the other problem.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
If the parent isn't pushing listen, if left to my
their own device, my two kids would be would be lost,
like they would be you know, overweight, and they would
be watching you know, I mean, playing video games and
eating pizza, right Like that's that's human nature, that's kids.
(14:26):
But that that's what they would do. They love their
ridy get video games. I have to monitor. It's a
constant fight.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, it's and it they when I did a little
bit of research, they say, like the turning point was
COVID because it was all blowing right.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yes, we put a stop to it.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Kids got more used to staying inside right there. There
wasn't a ton going on outside the house. And then
we've never really gotten back from it. And since we've
gotten back from it, this specialization and this you know,
pay to play movement have really took off post COVID.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yes, yes, you know, COVID was the worst. I go
back to it and think about it. COVID was the
absolute worst because it did it made kids and said
cats potatoes and homebodies. It did, and the problem is
(15:24):
people got too comfy and like you still see it, like,
you know, I get remote working and there's a million
things and some good came out of it. But the
bad is with kids just not being outside. They don't
keep me, they don't hang out even listen. I have
a sixteen year old and he spends his interaction with
(15:46):
his friends. It's more through video games that it is
anything else between you know, school and practice. Right there,
you go, they get together once on the weekends. Right,
It's not like you know, run up in the northeast
or in a city city skate where you're walking to
(16:06):
school together, you're hanging out.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
It's just a different.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
World for sure.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Yeah, it's again I think it's some of it comes
on the parent, right, some of it's the programming side
of it. I think some of it is, you know,
just having these opportunities for kids to kind of try
different things, and a lot of youth programs like like
elementary and lower level stuff, you know, more instructional based
programming to try to get kids out. Like I was
(16:32):
lucky enough to have a great youth organization up the street,
to have all these different types. It was fish Town
AC and they had great clubs that had all different
types of program.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
We had multiple levels a team B.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Team, right, So it welcomed kids from all walks and
skill levels, right, And I think that's dying as well,
and that's part of the problem.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
It's more it's a select team. It's can you make
this team? And then again it's.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's it, it's exactly it.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
We're creating at twelve, and this is the danger and
this is what's scary. We're creating a professional division almost right,
Like it's the professionalization that youth sports. So what we're
seeing is the kids and this is it, like, hey,
these are all pros, but these are the kids that
can play play and the other ones watched from the sidelines,
(17:20):
which means they don't play. They're in their house playing
video games.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Yeah, so that's it's like the haves and have nots
right now. Posed it it was all welcome, right. We
had different skill levels, we had different things. Like another
stat I saw so like just to play in a
regular season in a thousand if you play for a
travel team like you were just talking about your son,
the average cost is over three thousand per season. Well, yeah,
(17:44):
that's the does have the schools you know to go
to have a grade school?
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Right, Baseball like almost four grand a year. I mean
for the I see it like in the spring. The
dudes are the bills coming up, you know fourth that
doesn't count, the bats that doesn't travel.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
That's just that's just to pay to play. And it's
not without all the equipment. That's all with all your
gas money you're spending right.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Thank god.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, I mean I think about it. It's it's a drant.
Like now listen and you know football and everything else. Hey,
coming up, we're gonna I got a great guest for
us UH coach Frank Delano from Haddenfield, New Jersey. He
coaches Haddonfield High School. He's he just wanted seventh championship.
(18:31):
He's a stud great coach, but he's also a dad
and he coaches Little league and he's gonna he's the
father of a twelve year old. And we have this
conversation a lot, and he's gonna join the fray because
I want you to throw a lot of this stuff
in him. I mean, the whole point of this is
not just to identify the problems, but to try to
(18:52):
come up with some solutions.
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Danny de Bernadinas are a d and joining us. I'm
Anthony Gargeta from the Fellas and Residents Sports Dad and
joining us. Dan is a great coach, a great football coach. Effect.
(20:45):
He just won his seventh title, his seventh state title
in fourteen years. He's got one hundred and eighty eight
career wins. He's got he is. We was inducted into
New Jersey Hall of Fame in twenty twenty one. He's
an incredible coach, but he's also a dad father of
(21:06):
a twelve year old. We together running these circles coaching
Little league baseball and youth basketball, and enjoining us is
the great Frank Delano.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
Good morning, coach, how are you, buddy?
Speaker 6 (21:20):
Thank good morning, guys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
So we got into this conversation because Congress had a
committee subcommittee this week about the issues involving youth sports
and the idea of the pay for play model and
how it's kind of driving kids away and the numbers
just aren't there anymore. You as a coach and educator,
(21:43):
you see this stuff and the issues with it every day.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
Oh gosh, you absolutely do. As a as a coach,
as a sixth grade teacher, you hear it. You hear
it in in your classrooms. You hear about everything, and honestly,
you just hear about the insanity of it, quite frankly,
like you hear about you know, timelines, and you know,
we have to play three seasons. We have to do this.
It's kind of scary in the direction in which you
(22:09):
kind of see see it going, right, guys, like you know,
you're sitting there. Never really when we were growing up,
like it was the greatest thing, Like you had a
chance to play three seasons, right, you know in the
winter time, right, you know, in our area, and right,
you know, you're sitting here, you're you know, emulating like, hey,
I'm rod Ors, I'm doing whatever it is, right, And
then next you know, next thing, you know, you're a
(22:31):
doctor j And then you followed it up, and you know,
you followed up in the spring and you're Mike Schmidt.
Well you're not allowed to do that anymore. Apparently, apparently
someone said along the line that you're not allowed to
be a three sport athlete. But I don't know where
where that started, where that model. I think you got
a good hunch where it is. It's all financially motivated.
But it's sad. It's sad that that's the harsh reality
of the world right now where kids feel that they
(22:54):
got to get sports specific, which is technically obviously going
to drive numbers away when you have kids, hey, maybe
aren't playing three different sports anymore. So it's a sad
state of affairs, quite frankly, if you asked me about
about this, because obviously, shoot, you're born and raised, you know,
on a sidelines, on an ice hockey rink or on
a deck hockey rink or whatever it is that you're doing.
(23:16):
You know, when was the last time you saw kids
just in the backyard playing, right, Like, if it's not structure,
don't we don't do it right, we don't do it.
It's sad, exact.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, you now, the coaching congratulations on the championship. I mean,
you're doing a great job over there, and you keep
it up. You're doing a service to the area and
we're very proud of you.
Speaker 6 (23:34):
I appreciate that, thank you for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
So it's ever changing, right.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
We talk about it all the time and like it's
the specialization, it's it's the money, right And me and
Aunt talk about it like one percent of you know,
high school athletes play Division I sports and one percent
of them make it pro right. But for some reason
with the technology and the social media. You know, I
don't want to crush people's dreams, but that is you know,
pushing kids to that model, right. So that's something that
(24:01):
we're always trying to have to combat as you know,
the haves and have nots in the sports.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
But I do have a question for you. You know,
you kind of live in two worlds.
Speaker 5 (24:08):
You know, you're a high school football coach, but you're
also a parent of a student athlete. So dealing with that,
like how do you how do those seats look, how
do those two different seats look for you?
Speaker 4 (24:18):
And how are you navigating that.
Speaker 6 (24:20):
I am tearning exactly the way we're coaching, and it's
just the reality that I want Maddie d to play
for a different sports. I wanted Lauren Delano when my
senior in high school. I wanted her to play, you know,
as many things as she or he humanly wants. My
(24:42):
son does not have a pitching coach. My son does
not have a hitting coach. Like he doesn't you know,
I want him to go and enjoy everything. The kitty
is just turned thirteen years old. You getting ready to
play what sixty ninety baseball? He's not gonna be able
to hit the ball out of the infield, right, Let's
call it what it is. Right, Let him grow, let
him find his way, find his wife, find what motivates him.
(25:05):
So for me, yeah, there is that timeline where it's like,
as a high school football coach, there's nothing better right
now this time of year to you go and you
watch one of our players who are sitting on you know,
on a court, you know, sitting here at the back
end of the game. Who's got to hit a front
end of a one on one in front of a
pack gym? You know, to sit there and ice a
(25:25):
game where to be one of the four, you know,
fourteen starting spots on a wrestling mat, right, Like, this
is what athletics and competitions about, right, And I think
we're getting too narrow focused. As you mentioned about a
money piece, right, the money is just insane.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
You put God, I love I love hitting coaches.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Right.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
You put him in a soft toss environment. You're sitting
on a chair, you're six feet away, you're underhanding the ball, right,
and the kid, oh, look at this wing, Look at
this wing. And then you got a parent back end
filming the thing looking at him, look at him right,
and then they go in a real life situation and
he looked at the three straight pitches, strike three, you know,
like one, good morning, good night, good afternoon, right, get
(26:04):
out right, It's.
Speaker 8 (26:05):
Crazy the parents expecting a rod going what are you doing?
Man like swinging the ball and then the pressure and
then all of a sudden, the kid goes, I don't want.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
To play baseball, correct, you know, and you and I
have talked about this before. You know, I want and
I want all I want mad and I want all
kids to love it when it matters, right like at
ten years old, you know, athletics, you just puts to
be fun. Falster, that love, falster, that energy. When you
(26:38):
get to high school is when it starts to matter.
You just make reference to it right there, and I'll
use I'll use the football model. There's sixteen thousand schools,
excuse me, to play high school football in the in
the country, right, and two percent of all those high
school players are going to go on to play four
years about with football, period. So I don't know what
we're exactly pushing. And I you know, and for the
(27:02):
fortunate part, for like a football, that's one of the
only sports that you could physically still play three sports
if you have you know, the right coach, who doesn't
you know, we're not worrying about the seven on seven
model and playing football in your underwear and all this nonsense,
like you literally, like I don't understand where coach the
guidance is being given from a high school coaching standpoint. Hey,
(27:23):
you've got to play base, you got to play fallball.
Why those those twenty at bats in the cold weather
in that tournament really is going to make a difference. Now,
go compete, Go play something else. Go callous yourself, you know,
And and if you know that story, you know, you
and I talked about briefly the other day, Like we
were in a in a state semifinal game this year, right,
(27:44):
and we're sitting here and unfortunately our starter starting quarterback
got hurt in the first quarter and you know, Danny
got you know, I know the introduction, you said, our
seventh state title. And you guys know in the state
of New Jersey. How you know, I know for all
these the listeners that are all over the country here
that the state has changed its model multiple times from
(28:04):
a playoff standpoint. Right, So the first six times we
won the max that we could win in the state
of New Jersey, right, it played to a sectional title,
then it played to a regional title. Well, this year, Shorts,
you know, we won our sectional title for the seventh time,
as mentioned, But we're now in the state semi final.
We're playing a really good football team and our starting
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quarterback gets hurt and it's early in the first midway
through the first quarter, and we get a sophomore command
and the beauty and the poise and the confident that
this kid, you know, just you just saw it, man,
and it was infectious to everybody. Why yeah, maybe because
he played in our youth program since he was a
Hilo Grass Opera and we were fortunate enough to be
(28:47):
able to develop them. But the other thing I don't
want to go unnoticed with this was this kid was
a starter for a lacrosse team last year, you know,
for our high school team who you know, had a
good run in a playoffs. He had those other experiences
on those other stages, and it was great because you know,
the stadium's packed, you're playing it, you know, an unbelievable team,
(29:08):
right and we're sitting here and the only thing he asked, Hey, guys,
you just slow down the sign. I'm a little overstimulator
right now, right? How about that?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Right? I love that story.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
You love it.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
They're playing the States the final game right here. It
is you're you're playing a team, but you got two
tackles that are six seven, three hundred pounds? Is please
put on the signs? Why? Because he's a multi sport
athlete that has been put in those situations prior. It
wasn't the first time the lights were bright. And I
don't understand how the adults, how his educators. If we're
(29:46):
in this thing for the right reason that we are
providing this guidance of you've got to specify, you got
to get sports specific. But the seven year old, for
what right they can barely chew gum and walk right
in the same time. Right, and yet but here we go,
We're gonna go we're gonna go sit in front of
that personal instructor and hit a ball from six feet away,
and then we're going to go to a real game.
(30:08):
We're going to drop the ball there. Yet. You know what,
let's hey, mom, dad, a couple more lessons, so it's
not going to cost you about five hundred more bucks.
And I promise you're going to get that hitch out
of this thing. I'm going to get that delivery right. Hey,
run a video then and were then you know what,
You've got to then put it on Twitter to see
if you can get in the scholarship.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
We're going to share it on social media. That's that's
the thing, right, What.
Speaker 6 (30:29):
Are we doing? I just think we're all in this thing,
And unfortunately I don't want to say we all. I
think you had as you mentioned about the social media pieces,
we're in this thing for the wrong reasons. Everything. Once
it became about the money, once it became about hey,
I can profit off of all of this. I think
the essence of it. You remember to day that the
(30:50):
little league to brawl out bag right, neverth bag to
get it right, And all of a sudden, your helmet
right was on the kid at second base when you yes.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
We shared that stuff. Yes, that's the only one.
Speaker 6 (31:04):
That's where's the bat? Where's that one bat? Where's the
one bat?
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Right?
Speaker 4 (31:08):
It's great getting it from the other side. You're born
from the other team.
Speaker 6 (31:12):
Oh my gosh, Like, what are we doing? This is crazy?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
It's my bat bag is worth more to my car?
Speaker 6 (31:20):
Is that right? That is fantastic. We said that the
other day. We were joking around because you know, I
we I do you know coach a little bit of
Matt you know, we call it kind of a.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Traveler Danny real quick, Frank and eye coach with each
other or part of each other in football, basketball, and baseball.
And he's a finds time to be a Hall of Fame,
you know, high school football coach. So you know that's
he's an involved dad.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yeah, but but it's it's just my numbing. It's truly,
it's my numbing where we're going. And I think, truly
you're right, it all oil down to educated parents. It
also what's your why? What's the end game of this? Right?
Is it really for your kid's best experience? Because I
(32:10):
know every every nine year old wants to get up
at five in the morning, get in a car and
drive for an hour and a half to go play
an eight o'clock game in seven degree wather when it's
baseball season, you know, you know fall ball, right, Like
every kid wants to do that, right, he really does,
he really does.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
Stop one one quick thing we're big on, you know,
giving advice to parents on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
Sure, if there's one piece of advice.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
You can give a parent, you know, for long term
and you know, just trying to get a high school
student athlete to you know, thrive in high school sports.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
What do you think that would be.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Make sure we're in it for the right reason, to
make sure these kids get foster the love of the
game and not send it the other way.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Right.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
You know, kid's going to go you know, regardless of sport,
Kid's going to go over three. Right, Why are we
yelling extreme?
Speaker 3 (32:55):
The kids?
Speaker 6 (32:55):
You know also understand that burnout is real, right, burnout
is real. I started to mention it like I want
you know, all kids to love the sport when it
truly matters, right, and you know it when you know
you're an ad the what's the goal?
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Right?
Speaker 6 (33:11):
The goal? You know, And when I started this, you know,
I've been our head coach here, how does that I
go down for twenty four seasons?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Right?
Speaker 6 (33:20):
I hope we didn't miss this as coaches as parents, right,
I hope we just keep the end game in mind
and what truly is our why and why we're doing this?
And you know, do we coach right to be successful
or to make a difference. I don't think they need
to be mutually exclusive, but I also know to be
(33:41):
really mindful of making sure we intertwine them both because
why for a kid's the success isn't necessarily determined about
our wins and losses. It about that, especially a kid
who's nine, eight, nine, ten years old, it's that well
if he brings some of the bring that energy and
want to and bring that passion for the game when
it matters, because you want to come back, if she
(34:02):
want to come back the following year, and hey, you
have not talk to a friend and just listen to
them talk to their friends. Well, this is that really stuck.
We're We're no, man, this was awesome. I want to
bring up buddy. So for me, the advice is, you know,
just knows, gosh, foster the love of it. Don't go
the other way with it. Listen have conversations, you know,
(34:24):
and just make sure that you know the end game
and man, because they're just pushing kids way too fast,
right and honestly, what kid needs to play one hundred
and seventeen baseball games? And you know, and it could
be the most boring sport on the plane at a time.
It's done the wrong way. And if a kid is
(34:44):
getting forced to do that, you know, and then you're
going to place you know, soccer all year round, like
just you know, come on, the multi sport athlete is
not It shouldn't be a lost start. And I think
people just do their research and do their homework here
a little bit, right, because go back to what dall
of the NFL drafts, of all first John draft decks
(35:05):
are multi sport athletes. Yeah, we're specifying at nine years
old he can't play this Why because he's got folle ball.
But he can't do this because he's got travel soccer
all year round?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Right?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
What is what is going on?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
I'm a coach, you're you're you're so right that that's
a great message. We got to get you back. You
are awesome. Coach Frank Delano had Infield High School. Uh
Hall of Famer seven championships, but more importantly, a dad
and an educator making a difference. Uh, we want to
launde you. Thanks for doing this, brother. We we love
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your messaging.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Thank you man.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
Thanks having to look forward to connecting soon, guys.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
With Marry Chris is buddy there he is, Frank Delena.
We'll come back Project nil. Just a moment, won't go anywhere.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
You're listening to sports radio radio.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Ah, welcome back Project Nil. Merry Christmas, Happy holidays to
everybody out there. Uh, Danny Dvad Anthony Gargano sports that.
And here's the thing, Dan, we talk a lot all
morning about this congress Uh here this congressional hearing.
Speaker 3 (36:22):
And you know, coach was awesome.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
He's great, He's an educator and I love his messaging.
I always want to amplify it. The one thing that
we talked about was a lot about specialization. But even
if we were able to tackle that and got our
kids not to specialize, the issue is we're still dealing
(36:46):
with the same pool of kids, right, Like, how do
we expand the field, Like how do we get other
kids and make it the masses for them to heat
instead of a select few in the arena and everybody
else watching.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
Yeah, like we talked earlier, I think some of the
big things are at starting at the youth level, right
at the young you know, at the really young five
six seven year old level.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
Right, that has kind of really changed.
Speaker 5 (37:16):
I think, you know, we got a fund, you know,
hopefully the government funds like pilots in the community based things. Right,
there's a little bit more oversight. Right, there's there's no
guardrails on anything. Nil, there's no guardrails. There's no guardrails really.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
On youth sports.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Now, well you never thought there would have to be, right,
but there's there's no guardrails. And you know, I think
we got to continue, you know, obviously I'm a little biased,
but continue to support the parks and recks and support
the school sport.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I think that's it. Yeah, you you nail it.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Parks and recr Your father ran Philadelphia is Parking Reck.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
You saw it in action.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
And I think that's that's a big key at that
age to foster activity.
Speaker 5 (38:00):
Yeah, the programming has changed again, it's post COVID, it's changed.
Speaker 4 (38:04):
But also, like you know, I understand the kid is different.
Speaker 5 (38:07):
But I think we you know, we saw the resistance,
and we pivoted opposed to pushing through that resistance and
pushing them to be out there and continue to invest
in the community and have these programming for.
Speaker 4 (38:17):
These kids to be active.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
I have a couple buddies that their kids are, you know,
at their local rec center, and it's great for their development.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Right.
Speaker 5 (38:23):
My good friend Joey, his son's playing everything right now.
He's five years old. He's in everything, but he has
a good local neighborhood programming where he's able to do basketball,
able to do soccer, able to do you know, baseball,
do all these different sports because there's an avenue for it.
I think we need to continue to push that and
make sure that these kids have these opportunities.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
I got an idea, all right, because one of the
things that the issues are, like listen, I'm with you.
In the city, we know that environment suburbs become all
about parent driven.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
It's there's gotta be more than.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Gym class in school, right, Like gym class just can't
be about physical fitness. It should be about sports that
I get through varied sports, but I think there needs
to be more of that in the grade schools that
foster you know, the competition.
Speaker 5 (39:24):
Yeah, No, I think obviously being in shape is really important,
but the competition and learning of the actual sport, right,
don't just roll out a ball and say chase it
and run around. The actual education part, how to hit
a ball correctly, how to kick a ball correctly?
Speaker 4 (39:37):
Right, that should be happening at the school level as well.
Speaker 5 (39:39):
I think that's a great idea, and I think there
should be more emphasis on it. I think again, we've
gone away from some of these key factors.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Yeah, I got like I remember, like I've been shocked
at kids that didn't know how to throw a ball.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah, but that.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Stuff needs to be taught in school, Like that's important,
like just as a in the same way as a
little as a child, like you need to learn stuff
like that.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Oh, you know, and and again just to heighten their
interest a little bit.
Speaker 5 (40:11):
No, I I a thousand percent agree, and I think
it's a it's a great point, and we got to
keep you know, we gotta keep growing, and we gotta
keep asking these questions, right. I think it's important for
parents to ask questions.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
I think it's important for schools to keep.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
Get them pass part, get them off the video games.
You gotta monitor it. It just takes over because that's
it's meant to be addictive, and that's all.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
They want to do.
Speaker 4 (40:35):
Yep, keeping them locked up.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
All right, that's gonna do it for us. Great stuff
this morning, my brother
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