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the oldest quicker school in the country, one of the
oldest schools period in the United States out of Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Danny, Happy New Year, my brother.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Happy New Year. Cause how we doing baby.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're doing good. We're doing good. It's it's portal season.
The portal is open and there's only like four thousand
kids that entered the portal. Thirty three new coaches. Uh
it's mayhem, Mayhem.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I say, that's just football.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's not even the number, right, because there's gonna be more.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh yeah, probably after Landslight's kids when they evaluate today
where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's the giant. Think about this for a second.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
In a given NFL free agent period, you're talking two
to three hundred players.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, is that insane? Like you do the comparison, it's
twenty x. It's it's it's crazy right now. And like
right now, it's like the nil, the transfer portal, the collectives,
you know, the lawsuits, the conferenary alignments, they're all everything's
colliding at one time. Everything's just it's just as big.
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It's just big vacuum that just sucking it all up.
And it's going to come to a head in some way,
and we'll try to touch on what we think can
happen and talk about ways we think we can move
forward potentially. But it's all coming to a head right now.
Everything is just kind of building up, and I think
where it's going to potentially have to you know, we
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have to move in one direction or another.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, it worries me. I guess when we start this conversation,
let's go the prism of the high school kid, because
there is now a they're now high school football players.
And we'll start with football because it's what's going on
right now, and it's the whole thing. What do you
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do if you're a high school football player? And where
do you go? Because now all of a sudden, you know,
schools aren't recruiting and they're going to go into the portal.
Uh Yet it matriculates through as you're older now, and
if they have any kind of eligibility're gonna they're gonna
exhaust it. What do you do if you're like a
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really good No, I'm not saying you're the elite or
the elite, because those kids will be gobbled up. But
all those kids that need to fill out the rosters
and look around right PYU and North Carolina and Texas
from whatever. Like I'm not just talking about the Texas schools.
I mean like look at SEMU right, like those other programs,
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not the big time programs. They need rosters, man, they
need kids. Ye where they getting the kids?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I mean a perfect example of this, you know old
message quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right, Trinidad Shambless.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He's playing at the highest level right now. Last year
he was a Division two quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So there's kids that have these you know, potential and
you know, are extra extremely skilled and can play at
the highest skate stage. They're getting overlooked right now at
the Division I level because again, you just set thirty
two coaches, thirty three coaches, knew coaches this year.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
There's so much pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
On these guys to win now and win right away
that they're just trying to go after the most older,
you know, mature physically mature kid or you know adult
in most cases to fill their roster. So they're not
taking the eighteen, seventeen, nineteen year old kids. They're trying
to figure this out, win now right away, let me
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go get a twenty three year old in the portal
to build.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
That roster out.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And you're seeing these kids who can obviously play at
this level. Trinidad is dominating in the college football playoff.
He's probably you know, playing himself into potentially an NFL
draft pick, but.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
He was a Division two player for the last four
years man.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
So just he's a prime example of colleges in this
new era that are saying, hey, we're not gonna go
We're not gonna take a risk on the kid's undersized
or might be physically there yet because we want to
win right now, and it's really hurting these kids. The
spots are probably cutting to a fourth of what they
were probably taking across the vision on sports the portal
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because you can see Trinidad, he came up right he
was A Division two. So Division two is now like
this farm system. JUCO is now this farm system for
NCAA high level sports, and it did. It's a major
problem in the big sports, right, I mean, this is
the portal is a problem across college sports, but more
so the focus is on the bigger, money driven sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So trinidadad's a great story because Trinidad is high school
coaches are begging college coaches to take them like he's
a special kid.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And you know they're not. He's not.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think I said even story there there was two
there was a couple kids like that are excelling right
now that weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There were zero stars and two stars.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But it's such an inexact science that these coaches rely
on these rankings. And yeah, you could the teaser looking
video and everything, but it seemed possible to scout a
kid and tell me what he's going to be like
in two years when you're watching it all the school
football game. I see it every you know, I'm there
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watching these games.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, because there's a lot of physical change, there's a
lot of mental growth. Right, they're mature, and it says
these years when they're seventeen, sixteen years old. There's a
lot of mature maturity that's going on, so it's difficult
to see it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Some college coaches are better than others and evaluating it.
But they used to be able to take chances. Right
now that that taking a risk on a.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Kid, it's very few and far in between.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, I guess that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just don't know from an equity standpoint, Like you know,
what happens to these kids?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Like where do they go? Now?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This is where being back to something you and I
had a conversation last night about the juco world. But
there has to be enough place for these kids to
go to marrin eight right and for you better where
like you're leaving high school? You got it, you know,
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from eighteen to twenty because if colleges are looking for
twenty to twenty four year olds, eighteen to twenty is
a sweet spot, right like.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Where those are the forgotten the lost boys? Right? So
what happens to that? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Do they go to the lower schools? Like to I
don't want to say two length because they were just
the thing. I'm just kidding right off the top of
my head, right like where I go? Do they go
to the lower schools, you know New Hampshire's right, lower
Division I schools do they go there? It's a way station.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
But even those schools, they're feeding off the D two
kids right right, Like they're portal as well, Like they're
they're probably taking more freshmen, but they're in the portal.
Remember last month or right before basketball season started with
me at Matt Griffin on from buck Now, he was
saying there they took you know, two or three freshmen
in a class for basketball, and they'll probably take another
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half from the portal, so that even it might not
be to this the you know, the degree at the
higher level, but still mid to low Division one basketball
or mid to Division one sports in general are living
in the portal as well.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And you know, we keep talking.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
About this and is this chaos, Like is this temporary
growing pains or is this going to be the new norm?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Like, that's what we really don't know and how we're
going to try to navigate this. Is this normal or
is this just a temporary, you know, chaotic moment where we're.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Trying to figure out these growing pains.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, I don't know how it shakes out otherwise, right, Like,
the portal is the portal thing.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't I don't see that going anywhere. Even if
you did.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We're gonna get to a great video by by cal
John Calipari where he talks about all kinds of things.
One thing he brings up is allow them one year of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Transfer. Yeah. I don't know how one transfer. I don't
know how you do that, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I His thing is we'll get to next uh, right
after the break about twenty minutes. But his thing is, hey,
we got a portal problem. It starts with the portal. Yeah,
so if.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You take that right, I just can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Without a lawsuit, we're gonna say, okay, well it's one
you're allowed one transfer.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And the main thing. And I think people don't understand,
and that says the n C double a good or bad.
They did have a lot of rules previously, right people
agree or disagree with them. They started getting sued like crazy.
So they basically they're in a standstill with the government
right now to say, hey, we're just gonna let this
be the wild West until you guys jump in, because
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if we make a rule, we're getting sued.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So it has to come from someone higher than us.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So there's a standoff right now between nc double A
and Congress, because everyone's going to Congress saying this is wrong,
we need to fix it. Congress is ASKINGBLA and NCUBLEA
is just telling people, hey, we are hands are tied
because no matter what we do, a lawsuit's coming and
we're gonna get sued. Right they've been sued, they start,
they've been losing. Right before they didn't lose, they're losing
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at every turn. So they're just saying, all right, we're
taking hands up. We're gonna wait, we can't do anything.
We're gonna let this be the wild West. There's no
guardrails right now, and they're really hoping that Congress steps
in and says, okay, these are.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The parameters that we're going to put in, and.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
These are the things that NCAA can govern. And it's
a standstill right now, and this is the thing. It's like,
is this the normal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Or is this?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Is this the new chaos that we're going.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
To live in?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And I don't know how long it's going to take.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I do believe Congress will get involved, but the question
as to what extent.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well and what would be deemed fair right, I can't
imagine anybody, even though we all know as adults, you
shouldn't be transferred to colleges every year, right, Like, that's
not really what it's supposed to be. But how do
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you how do you tell a kid that you can't
climb the ladder and make more money?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That that's the that's the conundrum.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Man. It's like college is supposed to be for education,
right in certain sports, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Become this massive billion dollar industry.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How do we decide the money or the education right
now at colleges at school? So at the end of
the day, I think that's what we have to hang
our hat on. But how many times can you transfer
without penalty to graduate?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's the big thing. And I know there has been discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I remember we spoke to Jill Boden, signer at s JAU,
and she said that was something that could potentially limit
the amount of transfers. But she was saying even then
it would probably be two or three. You know, kids
are doing it every year right now. Every year you're
putting your name in a portal for some kids.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So that might end it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But if you're still saying two or three, I don't
think that really solves the issue unless the government comes
in and says, you know, there's ways to put more
guardrails and parameters around you know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It where it's headed and this is a scary piece.
It's headed to be have the programs privatized.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, and we've talked about that as well.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, and that's kind of been a little bit of
a theme. And as we saw, the Texas Tech makes
it's run with Cody Campbell, right, he's the billionaire and
booster at the oil guy at Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He's going, but we're gonna double down.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Oh yes, So like you know, he's ready to go,
and there is no cat restraints or whatever because you
can get everybody through through the nil piece of it.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, and he talks about it though he There was
an article this week in ESPN. It was a great
article about Cody Campbell and his thoughts on how to
navigate this. And he believes that it's not, you know, fractured.
He believes it's completely broken and he knows that he
has more resources and he can dump in and it's
just going to be the haves and have nots, which
we've talked about.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He believes, you know, as a businessman.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
He believes that they should come together like the MLB
or like the NBA.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And do a massive TV rights and then.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Sprinkle out the money across for the lower like revenue
sharing cross Division one football, to make the smaller teams relevant.
Not have it as these billionaires, you would just bail
everybody out.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
He believes there's.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
More like the NFFL, not like the MLB mlbs that
have and have not systems.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, more like the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So he believes with the revenue sharing, you know, an
NBA right sometime way that you know, do that where
the smaller teams are still getting the trickle down.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well yeah, I mean listen to the NFL is the
greatest model ever because Green Bay can exist and compete.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
With New York and l A one.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And he he believes that the biggest schools and conferences
are monopolizing, you know, the media revenue while everyone.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Else is slowly rounding.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And he thinks every he thinks if they don't do this,
other sports, the Olympic sports are going to die because
there's not gonna be any funding for him because they're
going to have to pump everything into these the major sports.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know, what's funny. I gotta I have to throw
this at you. Right. So I got a buddy of
mine and he is.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could call him a sports anarchist, Rudy, right, and
he's like, why should football players be penalized and force
the subsidize those sports that aren't as big as football?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, well, you got to think about the big picture again.
It's it's a it's a school community, right, It's not.
It's not like the NFL, it's on its own. When
you're at college, you're part of the entire school community.
You're part of the entire athletic department. That's that's the
difference between pro and college and always has it's like
you're part of the entire athletic department, You're part of
the whole school.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You know, even at the high school level, you know,
people complain.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
You know, sometimes you got to make sure everyone's feeling
their proper bound of love and you're trying to give
everyone their best opportunities as an ad. So that means
that squash and water polo are feeling the same love
that football and basketball getting right. Like, That's that's a
big challenge of my job because it's always going to
be a perception because they are going to be the
ones who get the most views and the ones who
get the most popularity around it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But as an athletic department or an AD, you have
to make sure that you're trying to maximize everyone, every
student athletes.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're in charge of the entire institution.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, you can't. Even though football and basketball may dominate.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It might drive a lot of your day.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah, and it might drive certain avenues of it, but
at the end of the day, we're a school, right,
and we're a community that is all in.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It together across all the sports.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's it's a great here, it's a beautiful way of thinking.
But this is where the education system and big time
sports class right, because the truth of the matter is
when you're going and cycling through schools, you're not part
of that community.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, you're isolating it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You're only there for a year and the next opportunity.
So it goes back to can you just privatize those programs?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, And that's what Campbell kind of leads Loops to.
He believes that, you know, these colleges shouldn't be able
to negotiate TV rights, much similar to the NFL, and
he thinks that it could unlock you know, billions for
the schools outside the power forwards. And it's not just
this you know, survival. It can really help all the
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sports and the women's sports and the smaller programs. Now,
the conferences they disagree with that, right because they believe
they shouldn't have to subsidize.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
For everybody else. Right, these these big conferences don't want that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's just things as a businessman who someone's involved, who
sees that he's made a team overnight relevant and you know,
the top four team in the country by dumping all
this money into it. So he sees that it's not
fair he's doing it, and he's saying it's not.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Fair, right, right, Well it is.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's interesting like you know, the conferences own this sport,
like the secne the Big ten, and you look at
the power like the SEC the Big Ten are more
powerful than Nancy double A. Right, so because all the
money and they disseminate the money the word But where
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if you think about it, why is the Big ten?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right? They're conference?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Golly knows the money that flows through the hands of
those big two, those two monster conferences.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
My god, I mean again we're talking to the billions.
I mean these deals that they're getting, these TV deals
that these these schools are getting, and you know all
the other money coming in from ad revenue and everything else.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's it's astronomical.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yep, it's crazy. Are we gonna take quick t o
coming back? We're gonna hear from John Keller Parry. You
want to listen to this. This is great stuff from
cal Powry and we're gonna react.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Off of it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Becau who's really like our worth worthing about the kid?
Like what happens to the kid. That's that's a that's
a huge issue when we look at this landscape. So
uh hey, sit tight. We'll give you our youth update
as well, although it's going on high school wise. But
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Speaker 3 (20:53):
Give us that solid din.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So here's the deal when we talk about the overarching
view right like, So, I have a meeting with a
parent coming up whose son is a football player. He's
six five six six two eighty kids a play. He's
a Maller.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It's a big boy right there.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
All right, he's just he's a sophomore. Wow, hey, like
some father's going all right, where I Where do I
gotta beat?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What about these camps? What am I gonna do? So
you know, the kids got the side. Like listen, I
watched a kid play. Kids are gonna be good. He
just needs to be coached, needs to develop, right, But
this this kid is the beast.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Can't teach size an't so right. He's got that going
for him for sure. It's important when you're looking at
high school, especially when you're you know, you want to
have the education piece.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
You want to make sure it's a good fit.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
But also like when you have that type of size
like that you're in you know, the one percentile when
you're when you are built like that, who's going to
really develop you?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Right now? You might not have the means to go
to schools you want, So you.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Got to kind of figure out the best fit and
do your research on that side to figure out what's
the best program and then you know, individual training right
getting you know, when you're that big, that that young,
and you're not always you know, the most coordinated or
you don't have to burst right, you're still growing into
your body. There's so many different things that you don't
you know, really know how to navigate. So making sure
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that you're working with people that really hone your skill
and that you know, you're really developing your skill set
as long as your body and mentally and physically and
all that going into it to make sure that you're
ready for that next step at the at the you know,
at the college level hopefully.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So here's deal, right.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
When you think about it, years ago, the path was
set for this kick. Yes, you know, I mean at
some point colleges being fro he'd make, he'd commit and
sometime probably either late this year or early junior year
or whatever, and or after his junior season and he.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Would have the home. But now who knows, who knows
how well does.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
He have to go to Akron first before he gets
to you know that neither the power to the SCC
or a big tab if he played there.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, and again that's not the worst thing
that the biggest problem with one of the big problems
for me with the portal and talking to parents about
it is these kids want to go somewhere they want
to invest in someone to be there for four years,
and that's almost impossible to do anymore because if you grow,
you outgrow the school, and then you're going to have
to turn down hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of dollars, right,
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So that's the biggest So you got to kind of
have that mindset going into it, right, like if you
want to continue to grow and climb this ladder and
try to get finances, you're not going to be at
the school who initially recruited you. And that and that,
and that's difficult to explain to parents and kids, right
because when you're going there, you're thinking this is going
to be the next four years in my career or
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five six years in my.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Career, right, and those days are over.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And you know, cal Parry kind of goes into it
a little bit about like just how the landscape there's
just no guardrails and there's just so much confusion and
even not just for the coaches, but for the parents
and kids trying to navigate this process.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
All right, let's do this, Let's play cal all right,
and then I want you to react to this. So
this is John Cali Parry. I thought he was terrific.
So we got a piece of what he said. Take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
But let me give you this real simple. The rules
bes the rules. So if you put your name in
the draft, I don't care. If you're from Russia and
you stay in the draft, you can't play college basketball.
Well that's only for American kids. What if your name
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is in that draft and you got drafted, you can't
play cup because that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only
for American kids. Okay, Okay, Now here's the next lawsuit. Well,
we don't have a say over European players. You do
if they're playing in college basketball. So that means you
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don't have a say over high school kids. So whatever
a high school kid does before he comes here, don't
you do one thing because there's a suit.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Because what you're.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Saying is, if he's in Europe, we don't have the
same rules. What if he puts his name in the draft,
he can't go to college he left his name in,
Well that's different because he's European. Okay, you're not doing
anything with a high school player. Then we don't have
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any jurisdiction over a high school player, do we we don't,
so when they come, you just got to say, all right,
now they're here. The other thing, the eligibility again, real simple.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You got five years to play four If you stay
at the same.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
School four years, we'll give you a fifth year. If
your coach leaves or is fired, you can transfer without penalty.
You can do it once, and if the coach is
fired or leaves, you can end up doing it twice.
But after that you got to sit out. You transfer,
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but you got to sit out. Does anybody care what
this is doing for seventeen and eighteen year old American kids?
Do you know what this opportunity has done for them
and their families? There aren't going to be any high
school kids who other than dumb people like me, are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Going to recruit high school kids.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids
and seeing them grow and make it and their family
life changes that I'm gonna keep doing it. But why
would anybody else If you can get NBA players, g
League players, guys that are twenty eight years old, guys
from Europe? Do we really know their transcript? Do we
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have somebody over there? Do we really know their birth
certificate or don't we and then yeah, just they're no.
Look Tommy is, oh, Mark few, there are a bunch
of us that are just we got.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
No rules.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
All right there it was was cal we got the rules.
So let's have G leaguers and NBA types like you
got a guy who played the v NBA who's cowed
played college basketball because he's got eligibility.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Why Eddy d, twenty one year old draft at thirty
first overall, is now going to suit up for bailor
right now he technically didn't play a game. That's what
they're hiding behind right now. For those listeners out there,
they're saying, how can guys do this? They're saying, the
rules are if you're not if you didn't sign an
NBA contract which is a two way deal, or you know,
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played in the NBA games, you're still eligible, which is
crazy because you can play in the G League, you
can play overseas, you can be twenty one, twenty two
and come in and still have four years of eligibility.
According to what they're saying right now, that's chaos. If
people can do that, why would they, like col said,
why would they recruit high school kids? Right and he
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even says like, no one knows what the rules are, coaches, players,
high school families incoming. You know, we don't know. There's
no clarity on this, and he speaks to it. You know,
I thought very bluntly and it had to be said right,
and he makes a lot of sense. Now, I don't
know the depths of the legal side and these lawsuits
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that potentially could come, but I've been in supportive. I've
been saying this since it started. It's like there has
to be parameters on the transfer portal. And I love
that you he even pretty you know, suggested that if
you stay to school for four years, you get an
extra you know, you reward loyalty, you reward.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
These programs, and you help these smaller programs building.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, that's a great fix by giving them more eligibility.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
If a kid now has more the ability to develop
and make more money, right Like, so the money is
comes as you succeed and develop.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's earned. So you know, the rewards system jibes with
our sensibilities.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And I don't want to you know, pooh pooh or
talk down on the foreign players coming in, but like
they have such a more advantage right now, because there's
like no parameters for them.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, hey, you know, let's be frank here. This is
about this should be about American kids.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
First. These are America universities.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, no, I mean, and you know, what are we
doing here? I mean you know, well, yeah, exactly, And
we've been pushing.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Are they coming Cow's right? Do we know their transcripts?
Are they coming here for the purest reasons of college?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, they're saying that they could make more money here
than they're making in their professional leagues over there.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Right, that's so No.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
The bottom I don't want a European professional league masquerading
is my college basketball. I don't want it. It's not right,
it's not part of it. You bet your your rebuttal
to Rudy, who is my buddy who talked about kids
getting exploited, and your your rebuttal was exactly right. Well, listen,
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football at basketball sobsidize the community. It's it ultimately goes
back to being a community. We're all part of this
school as one.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
One hundred and it's wild and just to talk about
you know, we touched on Campbell a little bit and
in cal like there's two voices coming from to completely
different places, right, Campbell's a booster and a billionaire oil
guy who's basically funding a single program, and cal is
you know, a legendary coach.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
But at the same time we're talking about the same problem.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, you know, they're coming.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
From two different stances and may be articulating it differently,
but at the core of it, there's a problem and
it has to be addressed and how do we figure
this out, because again, we're hurting our own.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Kids with this.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
It's people talk about, oh they're getting life changing money.
Very few are and the ones that are getting life
changing money are going to make it, probably at the
next level anyway. Right, So we're hurting talk about community,
we're hurting the village as a whole because there's less opportunities,
there's less education being given, and we're really just hurting
the kids of tomorrow. We're hurting our future, right for
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you know, the instant gratification of gain right now?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, all right, well it's so one point. Hey, let's
take a quick to Oh man, this goes by too fast.
We'll come back, and I do want to I want
to go over the final top ten that we have
and then a little basketball, baseball update and the whole thing.
But you know, as college football playoffs, we just got
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domb and the portal opens. I mean, this is the
major story. This, this whole firestorm. It's crazy. And again
we got two weeks. You're gonna give us more of
the portal coming up. We'll try to tackle that as
quickly as possible. This is Project Nil right here exclusively
on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back Project and I l
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the top of your screen, all right, Dan, just to
put a uh, just for a little education purposes.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
The portal.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
So the portal opened yesterday January yep, and it runs
through the thirteenth, sixteenth sixteenth, excuse me, fifth, two weeks.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
And then the caveat is if you're playing, you know
you're in the national title game, you have a five
day window after your last game. So some schools because
the National Title game will go past that date or
right up against it.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I think it's the what we do the ninth.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And then maybe the sixteenth or seventeenth, so you have
a five day window after that if you're a part
of that game.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You know, it's crazy because.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You know, how do you even keep track as media right,
like because you don't know, it's not like it's the
NFL free agency and you go, all right, well, I
got you know, these names that everybody knows, you got kids,
you got like you know, yeah, I was at Balor
last year and you know X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
It's impossible. I try to follow it. I follow accounts
just because you know, it's my world, and I try
to like stay educated in it. I can follow like
one or two teams. If you don't want to do
more than that, good luck. And even following those two teams,
it's tough. I mean, Iowa State has sixteen players, they
have forty one kids left the program. They have sixteen
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players right now on their roster.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, because when Matt Campbell Lee's he goes.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
To the State on the top guys, the guys that
weren't playing, you know, they're looking.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's it's wild. They have sixteen players on the roster
right now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So where does where does the Layton Kiffen all missed
thing intersect here? Because you know, you look up weise
right and he's gonna wind up going It did such
a great story we talked about last night.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Trindad Chambliss is gonna wind up going to LSU.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
What happens to a team that couldn't potentially win win
at all?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean that's a difficulty where you're losing your
whole offensive staff. It's not just Lane, the offensive coordinators leaving,
the past coordinators leaving, the tight end coach is leaving,
so maybe even a receivers coach as well. The entire
offensive staff is gonna have to be rebuilt. So that's
an unknown to people like Chandliss. So he has to
still apply for his fifth year of eligibility. I think
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he'll get it. But also now because he's playing so well,
maybe he's flirting in the first two rounds. So then
if that's, you know, the case, maybe he decides to
go to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Right, that's the unknown. Like that wasn't really Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
They were saying he's potentially a fifth, sixth round guy
before the playoffs started. Maybe he jumps into a top
two round and then he decides to go. But if
he goes back to college, I would bet my money
that he goes to LSU with the coordinator and the coach. Yeah,
and he probably gets paid four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, yeah, yes, that's what's gonna happen. So meanwhile, Old
Miss is gonna code what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
What a great year, but a great year, too bad.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's not gonna you know, we're gonna stick next year.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, and I think they're gonna, I like Goldie and
I think are gonna be relevant. I don't think they
fall off that to that level, but I don't think
they'll be able to sustain what they will.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Know, we're not going to compete, Like you know, they're
not gonna compete.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, they're gonna They're gonna lose a lot of people
on both sides of the ball. I mean, once this
run is over, unless they win it all I've really
it's gonna be difficult for.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Them to keep a lot of their offensive guys.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So all right, let's go because I want to get
this in. You have the final top ten of football.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yes, this is our top ten. Now, there's probably different
rankings all over. You know, man, I'm an iron Sharpen's
iron guy, So I don't I like to put I
like to look at strength to schedule.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Who they played.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Now, there's gonna be some underteeated teams that may have
easy schedules that might not make our top ten. So
I apologize to the listeners across the country, but I'm
at my cores, iron sharpens iron man. So we got
to I reward the teams for playing the toughest schedules
and competing at the highest level.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I love that being said modern day.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So they had three losses, right, but they're all three
losses came.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
To teams in the top twenty in the country. So
they played.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
They won ten and three, led by Chris Henry, Ohio
state receiver. Big time, big time program.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
But yeah, elite school.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Just you know, they lost to teams that were really,
really good and they lost by one or two points.
So that's them. The math that comes in at nine
they won eleven and zero. Great season for them. And
Maryland coming in at eight, we have Saint Thomas Aquinas
out of Florida, fifteen to one, great season.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Fifteen and one. They played sixteen games.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
File led by a Miami commit, number two player in
their country offensive linement Matthews yep. Came rowing number seven.
We have Sentinel out of California. So they beat Modern
Day in the last game they went. They went twelve
and two, so big time, big time program there. Stayed
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in California. We're gonna go to St.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Sta. Margarita. They went twelve and three, but they ran
the table.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
They they wind up winning the California state for their
for where they.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Were Number six.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
We have Bishop Gorman twelve and one out of Vegas,
great season for them.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Number five.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
We have Etna car number one player in the country
going to LSU.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Talking about LSU, they went fourteen no.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Out of Louisiana, number one overall player in the country
defensive tackle for them.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Huge program.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
You know Lane Kiffin talking about him doing this thing
over there where We at number four, ye im IMG
Academy number four, number number three, Carlton out of Georgia,
number two Saint Francis out of Maryland, and number one
Buford out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
They went, yeah, they're great, they're espreential, but they just
have a lot of four stars.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I love it, like they don't have that number one
guy in the country, but they just like flooded with
three and.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Four star guys and they had a hell of a season.
So shout out to Buford out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Of Georgia, number one team. All right, that's gonna do
for us. Everybody have a great week.
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Speaker 3 (00:17):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
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Speaker 3 (00:48):
Danny, Happy New Year, my brother.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Happy New Year. Cause how we doing baby.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
We're doing good. We're doing good. It's it's portal season.
The portal is open and there's only like four thousand
kids that entered the portal. Thirty three new coaches. Uh
it's mayhem, Mayhem.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
I say, that's just football.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
It's not even the number, right, because there's gonna be more.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Oh yeah, probably after Landslight's kids when they evaluate today
where they want to go.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's the giant. Think about this for a second.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
In a given NFL free agent period, you're talking two
to three hundred players.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, is that insane? Like you do the comparison, it's
twenty x. It's it's it's crazy right now. And like
right now, it's like the nil, the transfer portal, the collectives,
you know, the lawsuits, the conferenary alignments, they're all everything's
colliding at one time. Everything's just it's just as big.
(01:59):
It's just big vacuum that just sucking it all up.
And it's going to come to a head in some way,
and we'll try to touch on what we think can
happen and talk about ways we think we can move
forward potentially. But it's all coming to a head right now.
Everything is just kind of building up, and I think
where it's going to potentially have to you know, we
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have to move in one direction or another.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, it worries me. I guess when we start this conversation,
let's go the prism of the high school kid, because
there is now a they're now high school football players.
And we'll start with football because it's what's going on
right now, and it's the whole thing. What do you
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do if you're a high school football player? And where
do you go? Because now all of a sudden, you know,
schools aren't recruiting and they're going to go into the portal.
Uh Yet it matriculates through as you're older now, and
if they have any kind of eligibility're gonna they're gonna
exhaust it. What do you do if you're like a
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really good No, I'm not saying you're the elite or
the elite, because those kids will be gobbled up. But
all those kids that need to fill out the rosters
and look around right PYU and North Carolina and Texas
from whatever. Like I'm not just talking about the Texas schools.
I mean like look at SEMU right, like those other programs,
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not the big time programs. They need rosters, man, they
need kids. Ye where they getting the kids?
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:42):
I mean a perfect example of this, you know old
message quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
Right, Trinidad Shambless.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
He's playing at the highest level right now. Last year
he was a Division two quarterback.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
So there's kids that have these you know, potential and
you know, are extra extremely skilled and can play at
the highest skate stage. They're getting overlooked right now at
the Division I level because again, you just set thirty
two coaches, thirty three coaches, knew coaches this year.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
There's so much pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
On these guys to win now and win right away
that they're just trying to go after the most older,
you know, mature physically mature kid or you know adult
in most cases to fill their roster. So they're not
taking the eighteen, seventeen, nineteen year old kids. They're trying
to figure this out, win now right away, let me
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go get a twenty three year old in the portal
to build.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
That roster out.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
And you're seeing these kids who can obviously play at
this level. Trinidad is dominating in the college football playoff.
He's probably you know, playing himself into potentially an NFL
draft pick, but.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
He was a Division two player for the last four
years man.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
So just he's a prime example of colleges in this
new era that are saying, hey, we're not gonna go
We're not gonna take a risk on the kid's undersized
or might be physically there yet because we want to
win right now, and it's really hurting these kids. The
spots are probably cutting to a fourth of what they
were probably taking across the vision on sports the portal
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because you can see Trinidad, he came up right he
was A Division two. So Division two is now like
this farm system. JUCO is now this farm system for
NCAA high level sports, and it did. It's a major
problem in the big sports, right, I mean, this is
the portal is a problem across college sports, but more
so the focus is on the bigger, money driven sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So trinidadad's a great story because Trinidad is high school
coaches are begging college coaches to take them like he's
a special kid.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
And you know they're not. He's not.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I think I said even story there there was two
there was a couple kids like that are excelling right
now that weren't.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
There were zero stars and two stars.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
But it's such an inexact science that these coaches rely
on these rankings. And yeah, you could the teaser looking
video and everything, but it seemed possible to scout a
kid and tell me what he's going to be like
in two years when you're watching it all the school
football game. I see it every you know, I'm there
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watching these games.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Yeah, because there's a lot of physical change, there's a
lot of mental growth. Right, they're mature, and it says
these years when they're seventeen, sixteen years old. There's a
lot of mature maturity that's going on, so it's difficult
to see it.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Right.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
Some college coaches are better than others and evaluating it.
But they used to be able to take chances. Right
now that that taking a risk on a.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Kid, it's very few and far in between.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Yeah, I guess that's it.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I just don't know from an equity standpoint, Like you know,
what happens to these kids?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Like where do they go? Now?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
This is where being back to something you and I
had a conversation last night about the juco world. But
there has to be enough place for these kids to
go to marrin eight right and for you better where
like you're leaving high school? You got it, you know,
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from eighteen to twenty because if colleges are looking for
twenty to twenty four year olds, eighteen to twenty is
a sweet spot, right like.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Where those are the forgotten the lost boys? Right? So
what happens to that? Now?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Do they go to the lower schools? Like to I
don't want to say two length because they were just
the thing. I'm just kidding right off the top of
my head, right like where I go? Do they go
to the lower schools, you know New Hampshire's right, lower
Division I schools do they go there? It's a way station.
Speaker 5 (08:00):
But even those schools, they're feeding off the D two
kids right right, Like they're portal as well, Like they're
they're probably taking more freshmen, but they're in the portal.
Remember last month or right before basketball season started with
me at Matt Griffin on from buck Now, he was
saying there they took you know, two or three freshmen
in a class for basketball, and they'll probably take another
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half from the portal, so that even it might not
be to this the you know, the degree at the
higher level, but still mid to low Division one basketball
or mid to Division one sports in general are living
in the portal as well.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
And you know, we keep talking.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
About this and is this chaos, Like is this temporary
growing pains or is this going to be the new norm?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Right?
Speaker 5 (08:43):
Like, that's what we really don't know and how we're
going to try to navigate this. Is this normal or
is this just a temporary, you know, chaotic moment where we're.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
Trying to figure out these growing pains.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, I don't know how it shakes out otherwise, right, Like,
the portal is the portal thing.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I don't I don't see that going anywhere. Even if
you did.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
We're gonna get to a great video by by cal
John Calipari where he talks about all kinds of things.
One thing he brings up is allow them one year of.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Transfer. Yeah. I don't know how one transfer. I don't
know how you do that, right, you know.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I His thing is we'll get to next uh, right
after the break about twenty minutes. But his thing is, hey,
we got a portal problem. It starts with the portal. Yeah,
so if.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You take that right, I just can't imagine that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Without a lawsuit, we're gonna say, okay, well it's one
you're allowed one transfer.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
And the main thing. And I think people don't understand,
and that says the n C double a good or bad.
They did have a lot of rules previously, right people
agree or disagree with them. They started getting sued like crazy.
So they basically they're in a standstill with the government
right now to say, hey, we're just gonna let this
be the wild West until you guys jump in, because
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if we make a rule, we're getting sued.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
So it has to come from someone higher than us.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
So there's a standoff right now between nc double A
and Congress, because everyone's going to Congress saying this is wrong,
we need to fix it. Congress is ASKINGBLA and NCUBLEA
is just telling people, hey, we are hands are tied
because no matter what we do, a lawsuit's coming and
we're gonna get sued. Right they've been sued, they start,
they've been losing. Right before they didn't lose, they're losing
(10:50):
at every turn. So they're just saying, all right, we're
taking hands up. We're gonna wait, we can't do anything.
We're gonna let this be the wild West. There's no
guardrails right now, and they're really hoping that Congress steps
in and says, okay, these are.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
The parameters that we're going to put in, and.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
These are the things that NCAA can govern. And it's
a standstill right now, and this is the thing. It's like,
is this the normal.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Or is this?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Is this the new chaos that we're going.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
To live in?
Speaker 4 (11:16):
And I don't know how long it's going to take.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
I do believe Congress will get involved, but the question
as to what extent.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Well and what would be deemed fair right, I can't
imagine anybody, even though we all know as adults, you
shouldn't be transferred to colleges every year, right, Like, that's
not really what it's supposed to be. But how do
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you how do you tell a kid that you can't
climb the ladder and make more money?
Speaker 4 (11:48):
That that's the that's the conundrum.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
Man. It's like college is supposed to be for education,
right in certain sports, it's it's.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Become this massive billion dollar industry.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
How do we decide the money or the education right
now at colleges at school? So at the end of
the day, I think that's what we have to hang
our hat on. But how many times can you transfer
without penalty to graduate?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's the big thing. And I know there has been discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I remember we spoke to Jill Boden, signer at s JAU,
and she said that was something that could potentially limit
the amount of transfers. But she was saying even then
it would probably be two or three. You know, kids
are doing it every year right now. Every year you're
putting your name in a portal for some kids.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
So that might end it.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
But if you're still saying two or three, I don't
think that really solves the issue unless the government comes
in and says, you know, there's ways to put more
guardrails and parameters around you know.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It where it's headed and this is a scary piece.
It's headed to be have the programs privatized.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, and we've talked about that as well.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, and that's kind of been a little bit of
a theme. And as we saw, the Texas Tech makes
it's run with Cody Campbell, right, he's the billionaire and
booster at the oil guy at Texas Tech.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
He's going, but we're gonna double down.
Speaker 7 (13:15):
Oh yes, So like you know, he's ready to go,
and there is no cat restraints or whatever because you
can get everybody through through the nil piece of it.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Yeah, and he talks about it though he There was
an article this week in ESPN. It was a great
article about Cody Campbell and his thoughts on how to
navigate this. And he believes that it's not, you know, fractured.
He believes it's completely broken and he knows that he
has more resources and he can dump in and it's
just going to be the haves and have nots, which
we've talked about.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
He believes, you know, as a businessman.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
He believes that they should come together like the MLB
or like the NBA.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
And do a massive TV rights and then.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Sprinkle out the money across for the lower like revenue
sharing cross Division one football, to make the smaller teams relevant.
Not have it as these billionaires, you would just bail
everybody out.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
He believes there's.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
More like the NFFL, not like the MLB mlbs that
have and have not systems.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Yeah, yeah, more like the NFL.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
So he believes with the revenue sharing, you know, an
NBA right sometime way that you know, do that where
the smaller teams are still getting the trickle down.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Well yeah, I mean listen to the NFL is the
greatest model ever because Green Bay can exist and compete.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
With New York and l A one.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
And he he believes that the biggest schools and conferences
are monopolizing, you know, the media revenue while everyone.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Else is slowly rounding.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
And he thinks every he thinks if they don't do this,
other sports, the Olympic sports are going to die because
there's not gonna be any funding for him because they're
going to have to pump everything into these the major sports.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
You know, what's funny. I gotta I have to throw
this at you. Right. So I got a buddy of
mine and he is.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
I could call him a sports anarchist, Rudy, right, and
he's like, why should football players be penalized and force
the subsidize those sports that aren't as big as football?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, well, you got to think about the big picture again.
It's it's a it's a school community, right, It's not.
It's not like the NFL, it's on its own. When
you're at college, you're part of the entire school community.
You're part of the entire athletic department. That's that's the
difference between pro and college and always has it's like
you're part of the entire athletic department, You're part of
the whole school.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
You know, even at the high school level, you know,
people complain.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
You know, sometimes you got to make sure everyone's feeling
their proper bound of love and you're trying to give
everyone their best opportunities as an ad. So that means
that squash and water polo are feeling the same love
that football and basketball getting right. Like, That's that's a
big challenge of my job because it's always going to
be a perception because they are going to be the
ones who get the most views and the ones who
get the most popularity around it.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Right.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
But as an athletic department or an AD, you have
to make sure that you're trying to maximize everyone, every
student athletes.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You're in charge of the entire institution.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yeah, you can't. Even though football and basketball may dominate.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
It might drive a lot of your day.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Yeah, and it might drive certain avenues of it, but
at the end of the day, we're a school, right,
and we're a community that is all in.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
It together across all the sports.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know what.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
It's it's a great here, it's a beautiful way of thinking.
But this is where the education system and big time
sports class right, because the truth of the matter is
when you're going and cycling through schools, you're not part
of that community.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, you're isolating it.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
You're only there for a year and the next opportunity.
So it goes back to can you just privatize those programs?
Speaker 5 (17:08):
Yeah, And that's what Campbell kind of leads Loops to.
He believes that, you know, these colleges shouldn't be able
to negotiate TV rights, much similar to the NFL, and
he thinks that it could unlock you know, billions for
the schools outside the power forwards. And it's not just
this you know, survival. It can really help all the
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sports and the women's sports and the smaller programs. Now,
the conferences they disagree with that, right because they believe
they shouldn't have to subsidize.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
For everybody else. Right, these these big conferences don't want that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
He's just things as a businessman who someone's involved, who
sees that he's made a team overnight relevant and you know,
the top four team in the country by dumping all
this money into it. So he sees that it's not
fair he's doing it, and he's saying it's not.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Fair, right, right, Well it is.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
It's interesting like you know, the conferences own this sport,
like the secne the Big ten, and you look at
the power like the SEC the Big Ten are more
powerful than Nancy double A. Right, so because all the
money and they disseminate the money the word But where
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if you think about it, why is the Big ten?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Right? They're conference?
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Golly knows the money that flows through the hands of
those big two, those two monster conferences.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
My god, I mean again we're talking to the billions.
I mean these deals that they're getting, these TV deals
that these these schools are getting, and you know all
the other money coming in from ad revenue and everything else.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
It's it's astronomical.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Yep, it's crazy. Are we gonna take quick t o
coming back? We're gonna hear from John Keller Parry. You
want to listen to this. This is great stuff from
cal Powry and we're gonna react.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Off of it.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
Becau who's really like our worth worthing about the kid?
Like what happens to the kid. That's that's a that's
a huge issue when we look at this landscape. So
uh hey, sit tight. We'll give you our youth update
as well, although it's going on high school wise. But
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Speaker 3 (20:53):
Give us that solid din.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
So here's the deal when we talk about the overarching
view right like, So, I have a meeting with a
parent coming up whose son is a football player. He's
six five six six two eighty kids a play. He's
a Maller.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
It's a big boy right there.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
All right, he's just he's a sophomore. Wow, hey, like
some father's going all right, where I Where do I
gotta beat?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Like?
Speaker 3 (21:26):
What do I do?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
What about these camps? What am I gonna do? So
you know, the kids got the side. Like listen, I
watched a kid play. Kids are gonna be good. He
just needs to be coached, needs to develop, right, But
this this kid is the beast.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
Can't teach size an't so right. He's got that going
for him for sure. It's important when you're looking at
high school, especially when you're you know, you want to
have the education piece.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
You want to make sure it's a good fit.
Speaker 5 (21:54):
But also like when you have that type of size
like that you're in you know, the one percentile when
you're when you are built like that, who's going to
really develop you?
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Right now? You might not have the means to go
to schools you want, So you.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Got to kind of figure out the best fit and
do your research on that side to figure out what's
the best program and then you know, individual training right
getting you know, when you're that big, that that young,
and you're not always you know, the most coordinated or
you don't have to burst right, you're still growing into
your body. There's so many different things that you don't
you know, really know how to navigate. So making sure
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that you're working with people that really hone your skill
and that you know, you're really developing your skill set
as long as your body and mentally and physically and
all that going into it to make sure that you're
ready for that next step at the at the you know,
at the college level hopefully.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
So here's deal, right.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
When you think about it, years ago, the path was
set for this kick. Yes, you know, I mean at
some point colleges being fro he'd make, he'd commit and
sometime probably either late this year or early junior year
or whatever, and or after his junior season and he.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Would have the home. But now who knows, who knows
how well does.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
He have to go to Akron first before he gets
to you know that neither the power to the SCC
or a big tab if he played there.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, and again that's not the worst thing
that the biggest problem with one of the big problems
for me with the portal and talking to parents about
it is these kids want to go somewhere they want
to invest in someone to be there for four years,
and that's almost impossible to do anymore because if you grow,
you outgrow the school, and then you're going to have
to turn down hundreds of thousands or potentially millions of dollars, right,
(23:47):
So that's the biggest So you got to kind of
have that mindset going into it, right, like if you
want to continue to grow and climb this ladder and
try to get finances, you're not going to be at
the school who initially recruited you. And that and that,
and that's difficult to explain to parents and kids, right
because when you're going there, you're thinking this is going
to be the next four years in my career or
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five six years in my.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Career, right, and those days are over.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
And you know, cal Parry kind of goes into it
a little bit about like just how the landscape there's
just no guardrails and there's just so much confusion and
even not just for the coaches, but for the parents
and kids trying to navigate this process.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
All right, let's do this, Let's play cal all right,
and then I want you to react to this. So
this is John Cali Parry. I thought he was terrific.
So we got a piece of what he said. Take
a listen.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
But let me give you this real simple. The rules
bes the rules. So if you put your name in
the draft, I don't care. If you're from Russia and
you stay in the draft, you can't play college basketball.
Well that's only for American kids. What if your name
(25:02):
is in that draft and you got drafted, you can't
play cup because that's our rule. Yeah, but that's only
for American kids. Okay, Okay, Now here's the next lawsuit. Well,
we don't have a say over European players. You do
if they're playing in college basketball. So that means you
(25:23):
don't have a say over high school kids. So whatever
a high school kid does before he comes here, don't
you do one thing because there's a suit.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Because what you're.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Saying is, if he's in Europe, we don't have the
same rules. What if he puts his name in the draft,
he can't go to college he left his name in,
Well that's different because he's European. Okay, you're not doing
anything with a high school player. Then we don't have
(25:53):
any jurisdiction over a high school player, do we we don't,
so when they come, you just got to say, all right,
now they're here. The other thing, the eligibility again, real simple.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
You got five years to play four If you stay
at the same.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
School four years, we'll give you a fifth year. If
your coach leaves or is fired, you can transfer without penalty.
You can do it once, and if the coach is
fired or leaves, you can end up doing it twice.
But after that you got to sit out. You transfer,
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but you got to sit out. Does anybody care what
this is doing for seventeen and eighteen year old American kids?
Do you know what this opportunity has done for them
and their families? There aren't going to be any high
school kids who other than dumb people like me, are.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Going to recruit high school kids.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
I get so much satisfaction out of coaching young kids
and seeing them grow and make it and their family
life changes that I'm gonna keep doing it. But why
would anybody else If you can get NBA players, g
League players, guys that are twenty eight years old, guys
from Europe? Do we really know their transcript? Do we
(27:20):
have somebody over there? Do we really know their birth
certificate or don't we and then yeah, just they're no.
Look Tommy is, oh, Mark few, there are a bunch
of us that are just we got.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
No rules.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
All right there it was was cal we got the rules.
So let's have G leaguers and NBA types like you
got a guy who played the v NBA who's cowed
played college basketball because he's got eligibility.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Why Eddy d, twenty one year old draft at thirty
first overall, is now going to suit up for bailor
right now he technically didn't play a game. That's what
they're hiding behind right now. For those listeners out there,
they're saying, how can guys do this? They're saying, the
rules are if you're not if you didn't sign an
NBA contract which is a two way deal, or you know,
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played in the NBA games, you're still eligible, which is
crazy because you can play in the G League, you
can play overseas, you can be twenty one, twenty two
and come in and still have four years of eligibility.
According to what they're saying right now, that's chaos. If
people can do that, why would they, like col said,
why would they recruit high school kids? Right and he
(28:39):
even says like, no one knows what the rules are, coaches, players,
high school families incoming. You know, we don't know. There's
no clarity on this, and he speaks to it. You know,
I thought very bluntly and it had to be said right,
and he makes a lot of sense. Now, I don't
know the depths of the legal side and these lawsuits
(29:01):
that potentially could come, but I've been in supportive. I've
been saying this since it started. It's like there has
to be parameters on the transfer portal. And I love
that you he even pretty you know, suggested that if
you stay to school for four years, you get an
extra you know, you reward loyalty, you reward.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
These programs, and you help these smaller programs building.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, that's a great fix by giving them more eligibility.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
If a kid now has more the ability to develop
and make more money, right Like, so the money is
comes as you succeed and develop.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
It's earned. So you know, the rewards system jibes with
our sensibilities.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
And I don't want to you know, pooh pooh or
talk down on the foreign players coming in, but like
they have such a more advantage right now, because there's
like no parameters for them.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Well, hey, you know, let's be frank here. This is
about this should be about American kids.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
First. These are America universities.
Speaker 4 (30:13):
Yeah, no, I mean, and you know, what are we
doing here? I mean you know, well, yeah, exactly, And
we've been pushing.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Are they coming Cow's right? Do we know their transcripts?
Are they coming here for the purest reasons of college?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Come on?
Speaker 5 (30:29):
No, they're saying that they could make more money here
than they're making in their professional leagues over there.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Right, that's so No.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
The bottom I don't want a European professional league masquerading
is my college basketball. I don't want it. It's not right,
it's not part of it. You bet your your rebuttal
to Rudy, who is my buddy who talked about kids
getting exploited, and your your rebuttal was exactly right. Well, listen,
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football at basketball sobsidize the community. It's it ultimately goes
back to being a community. We're all part of this
school as one.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
One hundred and it's wild and just to talk about
you know, we touched on Campbell a little bit and
in cal like there's two voices coming from to completely
different places, right, Campbell's a booster and a billionaire oil
guy who's basically funding a single program, and cal is
you know, a legendary coach.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
But at the same time we're talking about the same problem.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, you know, they're coming.
Speaker 5 (31:35):
From two different stances and may be articulating it differently,
but at the core of it, there's a problem and
it has to be addressed and how do we figure
this out, because again, we're hurting our own.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Kids with this.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
It's people talk about, oh they're getting life changing money.
Very few are and the ones that are getting life
changing money are going to make it, probably at the
next level anyway. Right, So we're hurting talk about community,
we're hurting the village as a whole because there's less opportunities,
there's less education being given, and we're really just hurting
the kids of tomorrow. We're hurting our future, right for
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you know, the instant gratification of gain right now?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, all right, well it's so one point. Hey, let's
take a quick to Oh man, this goes by too fast.
We'll come back, and I do want to I want
to go over the final top ten that we have
and then a little basketball, baseball update and the whole thing.
But you know, as college football playoffs, we just got
(32:37):
domb and the portal opens. I mean, this is the
major story. This, this whole firestorm. It's crazy. And again
we got two weeks. You're gonna give us more of
the portal coming up. We'll try to tackle that as
quickly as possible. This is Project Nil right here exclusively
on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back Project and I l
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the top of your screen, all right, Dan, just to
put a uh, just for a little education purposes.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
The portal.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
So the portal opened yesterday January yep, and it runs
through the thirteenth, sixteenth sixteenth, excuse me, fifth, two weeks.
Speaker 5 (33:59):
And then the caveat is if you're playing, you know
you're in the national title game, you have a five
day window after your last game. So some schools because
the National Title game will go past that date or
right up against it.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
I think it's the what we do the ninth.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
And then maybe the sixteenth or seventeenth, so you have
a five day window after that if you're a part
of that game.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
You know, it's crazy because.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
You know, how do you even keep track as media right,
like because you don't know, it's not like it's the
NFL free agency and you go, all right, well, I
got you know, these names that everybody knows, you got kids,
you got like you know, yeah, I was at Balor
last year and you know X, Y and Z.
Speaker 5 (34:46):
It's impossible. I try to follow it. I follow accounts
just because you know, it's my world, and I try
to like stay educated in it. I can follow like
one or two teams. If you don't want to do
more than that, good luck. And even following those two teams,
it's tough. I mean, Iowa State has sixteen players, they
have forty one kids left the program. They have sixteen
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players right now on their roster.
Speaker 3 (35:09):
Yeah, because when Matt Campbell Lee's he goes.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
To the State on the top guys, the guys that
weren't playing, you know, they're looking.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
It's it's wild. They have sixteen players on the roster
right now.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
So where does where does the Layton Kiffen all missed
thing intersect here? Because you know, you look up weise
right and he's gonna wind up going It did such
a great story we talked about last night.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Trindad Chambliss is gonna wind up going to LSU.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
What happens to a team that couldn't potentially win win
at all?
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, I mean that's a difficulty where you're losing your
whole offensive staff. It's not just Lane, the offensive coordinators leaving,
the past coordinators leaving, the tight end coach is leaving,
so maybe even a receivers coach as well. The entire
offensive staff is gonna have to be rebuilt. So that's
an unknown to people like Chandliss. So he has to
still apply for his fifth year of eligibility. I think
(36:11):
he'll get it. But also now because he's playing so well,
maybe he's flirting in the first two rounds. So then
if that's, you know, the case, maybe he decides to
go to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Right, that's the unknown. Like that wasn't really Uh.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
They were saying he's potentially a fifth, sixth round guy
before the playoffs started. Maybe he jumps into a top
two round and then he decides to go. But if
he goes back to college, I would bet my money
that he goes to LSU with the coordinator and the coach. Yeah,
and he probably gets paid four million dollars.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Yeah, yeah, yes, that's what's gonna happen. So meanwhile, Old
Miss is gonna code what happened.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
What a great year, but a great year, too bad.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
It's not gonna you know, we're gonna stick next year.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah, and I think they're gonna, I like Goldie and
I think are gonna be relevant. I don't think they
fall off that to that level, but I don't think
they'll be able to sustain what they will.
Speaker 3 (37:06):
Know, we're not going to compete, Like you know, they're
not gonna compete.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
Yeah, they're gonna They're gonna lose a lot of people
on both sides of the ball. I mean, once this
run is over, unless they win it all I've really
it's gonna be difficult for.
Speaker 4 (37:17):
Them to keep a lot of their offensive guys.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
So all right, let's go because I want to get
this in. You have the final top ten of football.
Speaker 5 (37:29):
Yes, this is our top ten. Now, there's probably different
rankings all over. You know, man, I'm an iron Sharpen's
iron guy, So I don't I like to put I
like to look at strength to schedule.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Who they played.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Now, there's gonna be some underteeated teams that may have
easy schedules that might not make our top ten. So
I apologize to the listeners across the country, but I'm
at my cores, iron sharpens iron man. So we got
to I reward the teams for playing the toughest schedules
and competing at the highest level.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
I love that being said modern day.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So they had three losses, right, but they're all three
losses came.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
To teams in the top twenty in the country. So
they played.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
They won ten and three, led by Chris Henry, Ohio
state receiver. Big time, big time program.
Speaker 4 (38:19):
But yeah, elite school.
Speaker 5 (38:21):
Just you know, they lost to teams that were really,
really good and they lost by one or two points.
So that's them. The math that comes in at nine
they won eleven and zero. Great season for them. And
Maryland coming in at eight, we have Saint Thomas Aquinas
out of Florida, fifteen to one, great season.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Fifteen and one. They played sixteen games.
Speaker 5 (38:43):
File led by a Miami commit, number two player in
their country offensive linement Matthews yep. Came rowing number seven.
We have Sentinel out of California. So they beat Modern
Day in the last game they went. They went twelve
and two, so big time, big time program there. Stayed
(39:05):
in California. We're gonna go to St.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Sta. Margarita. They went twelve and three, but they ran
the table.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
They they wind up winning the California state for their
for where they.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
Were Number six.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
We have Bishop Gorman twelve and one out of Vegas,
great season for them.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
Number five.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
We have Etna car number one player in the country
going to LSU.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Talking about LSU, they went fourteen no.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
Out of Louisiana, number one overall player in the country
defensive tackle for them.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
Huge program.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
You know Lane Kiffin talking about him doing this thing
over there where We at number four, ye im IMG
Academy number four, number number three, Carlton out of Georgia,
number two Saint Francis out of Maryland, and number one
Buford out of Georgia.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
They went, yeah, they're great, they're espreential, but they just
have a lot of four stars.
Speaker 5 (40:08):
I love it, like they don't have that number one
guy in the country, but they just like flooded with
three and.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Four star guys and they had a hell of a season.
So shout out to Buford out.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Of Georgia, number one team. All right, that's gonna do
for us. Everybody have a great week.
Fox Sports Radio News
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Jonas Knox
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