Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger Discuss Major Changes Coming to Baseball

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports. No, Yes, Living the Drain
once again on a fabulous a Sunday. Harbin and Armburger
with you here on Fox Sports Sunday. Okay, we have
a lot of things that we can talk about in
the absolute today, Rich, there are other things that we

(00:21):
can only try to pretend like we know what's going on,
because no one really does. Speaking of Major League Baseball
and the players presenting a proposal to the owners today
which will probably end up in the trash as fast
as they handed to them. But in the meantime, we
will carry on as we always do. How are you
feeling on this Sunday, Rich? You know what I'm feeling, hopeful,
And I'll tell you why. After a a weekend last

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where we were speculating based off of sourced materials, were
kind of back into that we don't really know what's
going on phase. And the more distance I have from
this converse station, or we all as a general public
have from this conversation between the owners and the players
in Major League Baseball, the more hopeful I become. Because

(01:08):
I think, by nature I'm an optimist, and I think
a lot of people fall in this lane. You know,
in sports overall works out like how often do we
have labor stoppages, stoppages that drag on for lengthy amounts
of time. It's rare, And the reason it's rare is
because it doesn't benefit anybody. It does certainly doesn't benefit
the fans, but it doesn't benefit the players or the owners.

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So I have this optimism on the other side of
last weekend, and I'm hoping that it's not it's not
blindsided by the reality that the owners um really do
want to put to the screws to the players, or
that the players uh since the owners initiated this, their

(01:50):
feelings are hurt and there has been so much bad
blood built up that they're willing to make this go
on for much longer. I'm optimistic it won't, though, Yeah,
I think at times we we take a look at
the situation that you're seem to be at an impossible
impass right, there's just no way these two sides are
gonna come together. But ultimately, and we've asked this question,

(02:12):
by the way, yesterday Jeff Schwartz and I had John
Paul Morossi on the show. We had him on our
show during this past week talking from you know, the
MLB network level, and you know we were talking about,
well what makes sense, like give us a date on
which we'll see major League baseball when you feel like,
all right, we we can come to some resolve here

(02:34):
whether there's going to be a breaking in the ranks
out there amongst the owners of the players. A couple
of dates we threw out obviously one of them, uh
is a circle to date. And I'm throwing it out
here because I know there's a lot of fans of baseball.
We're gonna say, well, when are we gonna see baseball? Right? Um?
And you saw the odds we were talking about these
odds during the week that you can get plus five
fifty right now if the game started in April, I

(02:58):
would take that plus five fifty And I'll tell you
of why there is a date coming up on April fifteen.
I'm not talking tax Day. I'm talking Jackie Robinson Day.
Jackie Robinson Day is very sacred in Major League Baseball,
and even more so in two because it is the
seventy five anniversary. Major League Baseball has been in the

(03:19):
works to have a major celebration beyond the norm for
this edition of Jackie Robinson Day, and to skip past
that um is going to get a lot of heat
on major League Baseball because you know, if they get
to that date and we don't have major League baseball,
much is gonna be made of it because of the
stature of Jackie Robinson in our country. So that would

(03:39):
be a pr nightmare. Uh, May first seems to be
the other date. And by the way, it's only plus
one fifty. That May is the first month that we're
gonna see major League baseball. So I look at those
two days and then I say to myself, but these
are artificial dates, right. I mean, if if you're sort
of looking at April fifteen, or you're looking at May
for so whatever time you're sort of setting is all right,

(04:02):
well that's when we're gonna start playing. Then why aren't
we playing now? Why aren't we gonna have opening day
March one? These are artificial dates, and they are set
by the owners of the players that are completely unnecessary
because if you can get a resolved then right, we've
we've talked about this in terms of like the pandemic, right,

(04:24):
like you know, two days ago it was okay to
do this, but two days later it's changed, Like what changed?
I mean serious, something changed there, very arbitrary and the
same thing we've had here with Major League Baseball. So
I'm just hoping both sides realized this is stupidity. What
are we talking about here? The owners are not losing money.
Maybe they're not making as much money and they term

(04:44):
that as losing money, but they're not losing money. No
one's losing money here. But you're gonna alienate a lot
of people. And ultimately it's the fans they'll have the
finals say on the future major League Baseball. Well, listen,
I again being off do mystic Uh, there's still reality.
And while yes, Jackie Robinson Day is a sacred dame baseball,

(05:07):
the color barrier that he blasted through during his era,
he's remembered every year. Uh, for his significance to this
game is significance to all sports. But during the pandemic,
they had no problem moving Jackie Robinson Day so that
they could still fully enjoy the warm embrace of the
marketing that revolves around that game. You know that that

(05:28):
that date is symbolic, but they were still able to
move the symbolism to a different day. During the Major
League Baseball season, in remembrance of Jackie Robinson. And if
there's a stoppage for whatever the reasons, a global pandemic
or labor stoppage, I think that Baseball will charge forward

(05:48):
and do the very same thing they did in they'll
do in two. So there's that, and then the other
part of it is these television contracts. Ste if you're
aware of this as well as I am, there they
have wiggle room. Let's call it. The Major League owners
have about twenty two games wiggle room. They're only on

(06:09):
the hook for a hundred forty games with their broadcast
network partners, which means that basically the month of April
is they could crumple it up and throw it away
and see if that puts enough pressure on the players
to get their side to cave. And the players know this,
and people who are you know, obviously aware of this

(06:30):
are are are are going to look at the month
of April is maybe a lost month as a result.
I don't think they necessarily want to lose that gate revenue,
but if they have to, if they feel they have to,
the Major League owners will because April's the slow month
every anyways, everywhere, because you have kids still in school
parents are reluctant to pull kids out for these day games,

(06:53):
which most of them are, and where there's another fact,
of course, especially in the in in many of the
places where baseball's played him. So I look, I'm I'm again,
I'm hopeful. I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily blindly hopeful
that we're gonna see resolution here in the month of March,

(07:13):
maybe in early April, maybe in mid April, you know,
maybe maybe the maybe this is gonna sound bizarre because
like maybe Jackie Robinson is the day. Is the day
where you know that that's like a hard deadline that
the owners are setting, like we need to get a
deal done before then, so that this isn't carrying on
at very least so that an abbreviated or a rushed

(07:37):
spring training is underway when Jackie Robinson Day hits, you know,
something like that. Um, but but yeah, that's that's that's
the reason why while I'm optimistic, it is, it is
halted by the fact that there are some obstacles in
the way. Yeah, and remember with the pandemic and the
shutdown a Major League Baseball as we waited for the

(07:59):
start of the any twenty season, how much spring training
do you actually need. Do you need six weeks? No?
Do you need five weeks? No you don't. You don't
even need four weeks, three, three and a half weeks.
Tops should be able to round everybody in a position,
and even less than that, because the bottom line is
the backs. As soon as you get back on the field,
you can, you know how it is, you sort of

(08:20):
nurse everybody back, right. We saw that just two years ago.
We saw that with the start of the pandemic. Is
that they had to, you know, try to get to
the start of the season. There was a long layoff,
and so you're not gonna throw your pictures out there
for seven eights. Oh that's right. Nobody does that anymore anyway.
So I'm not so worried about, you know, getting the
season started in terms of how much spring training time
is needed. By the way, a little bit later on,

(08:42):
in fact, coming up on our next segment, I'm gonna
throw some things out to you because here's the thing
you have to understand about Rich Ornberger. Rich is a
baseball fan. Okay, he's a baseball fan, but he's never
not necessarily, I'm not talking about the the unrest there
there are changes you've wanted to see in the game
of baseball for a long time, and by the way,
it's shared by many in your generation. Now, my generation

(09:07):
is much more different because when I was a kid,
baseball ruled the world. You know, I remember the day's
going back in time. We're Street and Smith, which was
sort of the bible of football. Back in the day,
they didn't even put out an NFL issue. They would
have football, which would be all college football, and then
the last fifteen pages would be an update on the NFL.

(09:29):
That's where the NFL stood in those days. So Major
League Baseball ruled the world of the sports. Honestly, it's
not that way anymore. So when you look at baseball
as secondary to football, as opposed to me who was
raised with you know, baseball as as king, our perceptions
of the history of the game the future of the

(09:50):
game are very different. On the other side, I want
to throw a couple of things at you that have
been thrown out there. It seems in the midst of this,
you know, squabble between the owners and the layers, that
we have bigger fish to fry, but things are being
thrown out there. Some subtle changes to the game. I
want to find out if it's going to make the
game better. Get his thoughts coming up next, Steve Harman,

(10:14):
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(10:34):
All right, I got some stuff for you here, Rich.
Let me let me throw out an idea for you.
Imagine if the NFL adopted a new proposal in terms
of playoff games. Okay, so you've won your division, right
you or you or you've earned that number one scene
and you get home field advantage. But you're thinking to yourself, Yeah,

(10:57):
but home field advantage isn't really enough. Like we saw
in the NFL this year, it was a fifty proposition,
there was no advantage over the course of the entire
year in terms of whole field advantage, and that continue
to play out in the playoffs. In fact, we saw
both number one seeds go down in their first games

(11:17):
at home. So let me give you a new proposal.
Not only do you get home field advantage, but you
get a seven nothing lead before the game even begins. So,
in other words, you not only get home field advantage,
but we're gonna give you a seven nothing lead before
the game begins. Now, the reason I'm mentioning that is

(11:43):
Max Scherzer has a proposal that he passed along to
the owners about the playoffs, and he says, if we
get into a best of seven series where the team
with the better record has home field advance, image forget that,
you get a automatic one game to nothing lead in

(12:06):
the series before you actually play a game, which would
be the equivalent again in a one and done in
the NFL playoffs, a sporting a team a seven nothing
lead before you even take the field. Now we have
runners on extra innings, right major League Baseball the only
runner on second base. I don't know how you think
that's working. But how would you think about in playoff

(12:27):
games where you get even more of an advantage for
those that have earned the top spot based on the
regular season play? Oh look, I mean overall, I think
when you play series, uh, the better team usually wins.
And I bet you if you went back through the
annals of Baseball pass that point would be proven. It's
certainly true in basketball, and it's obvious why a player

(12:51):
of Max Scherzer's caliber would want to have a rule
like that in place. To me, and it's because is
he ever gonna be playing be playing for a team
that's in the middle of a rebuild again during the
course of his career, which is, you know, closer to
an end than the beginning. The answer is now, you know,
so this gives him a distinct advantage personally to win

(13:12):
another title. And I imagine anybody who is a proponent
of this rule isn't doing it necessarily because it's what's
best for competition, but it's what's best for a talented
roster to continue on through the postseason in you know,
in short, it's just a way for the rich to
get richer. And I don't think it's I don't think

(13:33):
it's going to have a positive effect on competitive balance.
You know. I hear a lot of like old time
baseball viewers and baseball writers and baseball players complain about
the fact that, hey, you know, when we get to
the postseason, to have you know, single elimination wild card
is ridiculous because you work so hard throughout a season,

(13:55):
hundred sixty two game season, and then you get to
the postseason to have some you know, five hundred whatever
or or overachieving wild card team beat you when you're
you know, steeped in a divisional battle. Yes, yes, that's
what makes the playoffs interesting, you know, having the cream

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the best teams with the highest paid talent, you know,
having the cream rise to the top and then play
each other. I mean that's great, and you can see
beautiful baseball played that way. But there is something magical
about a Cinderella story. That's the reason why March madness
is so interesting to people. Especially when there's a team

(14:36):
that shouldn't be there, that's in the Sweet sixteen or
the Elite eight, or the Final four, or shoot the
national title. It makes it more interesting. It builds the drama.
Can they do it? I think that baseball needs more
of that. I frankly, I feel the same way about
the NBA. All right, let's talk about another change. And again,
now I'm gonna throw Max Shares are out there because

(14:56):
he's front and center as far as the players and
this negotia eating right now, A pitch clock. Now, this
is something that's been bantered about for a while now,
and it's used in the minor leagues. The way it's
used in the minor leagues is this, when the bases
are empty, a picture has a fifteen second pitch count
a clock, okay, fifteen seconds when the bases are empty.

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When there are runners on base, it's seventeen seconds. You
get two extra seconds if you got a runner on base.
So major League Baseball is the union they based major
League Baseball. They've been looking at this whole shot clock
because remember, in the last decade, get this, in just
ten years, the average length of a baseball game has
gone from two hours and fifty minutes to three hours

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and ten minutes. That's twenty extra minutes in just a decade.
So they're looking at this pitch clock for a while.
So what they determined was in the minor leagues fifteen
seconds when the bases are empty, seventeen seconds where there
are runners on base. Major League Baseball is determined that
you even need less time when the bases are empty.
So instead of fifteen seconds, will give you fourteen seconds,

(16:06):
but with winners on base, instead of seventeen seconds will
give you nineteen seconds, all right, So that's what's being proposed. Now.
Max Scherzer had this to say, He goes, I know,
as players, that's something that MLB is trying to negotiate.
I don't think there's negotiation here. As players. It shouldn't
be in the game having a pitch clock if you

(16:27):
have ball strike implications, that's messing with the fabric of
the game. There's no clocking baseball, and there's no clock
in baseball for a reason. All right, let's get your
thoughts here, rich about a pitch clock. Max Scherzis says,
we've never had a clock period in Major League Baseball
in its entirety. It's what sets the game from every

(16:50):
other sport. How do you feel about a pitch clock?
He's wrong, He's one cent wrong. And and this is again,
this is the old staginess of baseball that is. I mean, look,
it's some of it is owners There's no question about it.
Some of the fact that baseball is failing to realize
what its viewers and fans want is the ownership's fault.

(17:11):
But a lot of it is this chest pounding from
players like Max Scherzer. I completely disagree with him. A
shot clock makes the NBA and college basketball more entertaining
and a better viewership product. A play clock that's taking
as soon as the ball is down in football makes
football a better viewing product in both college and the NFL. UH.

(17:34):
Having golfers be penalized uh for taking too much time
to approach their next shot. UH. This has This has
proliferated all of sport, professionally or amateur. It is ridiculous
to to argue that this doesn't make the game more entertaining.
I'm aware that baseball is hoisted as this unique, unto itself,

(17:58):
UH game that you know, go says at its own pace,
and you know, and you just got to respect that.
Well I don't. I don't because frankly, I don't have
time to respect it because I have a six year
old And if I want to take him to a
Padres game living in San Diego and it's a seven
pm first pitch and I want to see more than
three innings, I'm gonna need them to be snappier about it,

(18:21):
because he's got to hit the sack and get to
school on Thursday morning, you know, And I don't want
to be there until midnight to see the conclusion of
nine innings. Now, if you could get me to the
seventh inning stretch, because these pictures are only being allowed
fourteen seconds and then whatever it is sixteen when there's
uh runner on base that is going to hustle things
up and it's going to put more of an urgency

(18:43):
into a game that desperately needs it. Oh, I couldn't
agree more. In fact, you know, we think back. Um,
people may not remember this if you're from a different generation.
There was no shot clock in college basketball until nineteen
eighty five. Five. Now, the NBA implemented the second clock

(19:04):
in the mid fifties to increase scoring, which is something
all sports fans like to see more scoring, But in
college basketball, there was no shot clock. In fact, we
always think back of Jim Valvano and NC Stayed upsetting
a Chemo lod Juan and Clyde Direxler win that ES
three championship. That would not have happened had there been

(19:28):
a shot clock in place, because they were able to
freeze the ball for up two minutes on time and
just run clock. Same thing happened the year before they
implemented the shot clock when Villanova's shocked Patrick Ewen and Georgetown.
Had there been a shot clock, that never would have happened.
I'm with you, I mean the idea of moving this
game along. And by the way, former Yankees picture probably

(19:50):
a future Hall of Famer C. C. Sabathia. Uh. He
had a much different view the Max Scherz Or. He said,
this is a time to make some fundamental changes to
the game. But the thing is that players are like
baseball purists. They don't want the game change. Some of
these guys still don't want a d H of the
natural league and all this different s like no pitch clock.

(20:11):
Have you been watching the apping games? We've been watching.
The games are endless. They need to be changed. So
and even though I'm a traditionalist as far as the
pitch clock is concerned, absolutely let's bring it in and Steve,
you know what, what the the unfortunate reality of what's happening.
And we have this verified independently but still verified by UM.

(20:35):
I forget the name of the woman, but she's done
some stories or she's been covered in Sports Illustrated a
couple of times. She was like a physicist who started
getting game played balls. Uh. Somehow for whether it be
from connections within Major League Baseball or otherwise, and she
opens them up and look and observes the core of
these baseballs, and what Major League Baseball has taken upon

(20:58):
themselves is to change these balls. You know, so there
every year there's inconsistencies, and it's not just you know,
machine error when they're being manufactured. It is major League
Baseball is so up up against it sometimes with the
fact that you have stodgy ownership in certain cases, you
have stodgy players in certain cases who can't come to

(21:21):
terms with the fact that the game is losing popularity
year after year after year because it's a bad viewership
sport most of the time, not all of the time.
Sometimes baseball is beautiful, and sometimes it delivers on the
promise and the uniqueness really does help the game, but
most of the time it hinders how viewable this product is.

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And so this woman, she's she's been taking apart these
baseballs and showing improving that baseball is so desperate to
get some fans back into the seats and get some
action around their game that they're making the balls juicy
here so they fly out of the park more often,
or they're deadening them at certain times so that they
have more play in the infield. They just don't know

(22:03):
what to do because they can't come to an agreement
that's going to appease the fans. My thought processes do
the same thing that the NFL does. Treat it like
spaghetti against the wall. Sometimes you throw it and every
single noodle drops to the floor. Sometimes you throw it
and a couple of those strands stick and they actually
make sense when you really look at it, and you say, oh, yeah,

(22:24):
you know what, the pitchclock that does work, let's stick
with it. I just don't understand the reluctance to even try.
I mean, as a trial you could say, hey, look
for one season, we're gonna do it, and then we're
gonna come to an agreement as a competition committee. But
the fact that they won't even try is infuriating. Well,
I think again, in this impass that we have right

(22:46):
now between the owners and players, let's take advantage. Let's
do a reset on Major League Baseball right now and
take a look at certain things that, once we do
get back on the field, are gonna make the game better.
All right, Let's find out what's trending right now, and
David scun has entered the building. Man, I gotta I
gotta point in blank ask did you guys have bloody

(23:07):
Mary's or mimosas this morning? Right now? I don't know
if you guys are shooting up something and they park
a lot or smoking something. What's wrong with you guys?
Let me let you guys have a problem with the

(23:31):
pace of play. That's what you guys have a problem with.
Because when you look at an average Major League Baseball game,
it is easily comparable in time to the National Football
League and the college football and the NBA. So when
you talk about popularity of the game of baseball, baseball
is a regional sport. It's not as much of a

(23:52):
national sport as the National Football your college football. But
part of that has to do with the gambling and
fantasy football element too. When you look at the NBA,
the NBA is also regional, like you have the international
flavor that comes in and that money. But ratings have
been dropping year in and year out in the NBA's
You can't say that Major League Baseball is dropping in

(24:14):
popularity when it's strong. When it comes to a regional
disallowed the shot clock for a season, I completely agree,
but that's what you had. You had, you had players
who are just dribbling in the front court incessantly. You know,
quite completely agree. But what the shot clock does is
it emphasizes the talent that's on the court. Like Stephen

(24:35):
mentioned as opposed to having teams wear down a game
by having one position apiece, that's a little bit different.
We're not going to compare Lebron James to Bartolo Cologne.
Those are two guys that played two different sports, but
they're both considered athletes. Just like in the game of golf.
You know, John Daly is not what we can see
as like a prototypical athlete, right, But the guy can
still shoot it, the guy can still stroke it, the

(24:57):
guy still hits bombs. So these are differ print sports
for different conversations. If you want to amend they gave
a baseball a pitch clock is one thing, but I
think that you're you're overdoing it in that element because
there's teams in Major League Baseball. John Paul admitted this
to us yesterday. Steve is that if there's a salary

(25:18):
cap floor, then they're gonna worry about a salary cap ceiling.
But there's teams that are not putting an emphasis in winning.
If they don't put an emphasis in winning, they're not
gonna spend the owner's pocket more money. And some of
these teams don't flour. The San Diego Padres are synonymous
with this, and then all of a sudden you change
ownership and what they want to do, they actually want
to compete and win drastically different across Major League. Let

(25:41):
me just jump in for a second. As much as
we're talking about time and the games than everything else,
to me, there's a much bigger problem with baseball, and
that's the analytics. I mean just the game itself is unwatchable.
And my and I when you have a strikeout, walker,
home run and you eliminate runners on base I mean
this to me, just the aesthetics of the game have

(26:04):
become less desirable for someone that's been watching baseball my
entire life. It's not It is hard, I mean really
hard to sit through a nine any game. But why
is that the fans problem? And why is it fans
fam Because if you don't like what you're watching, you
can turn the chance. But you know this, Dan well, Steve,
is that when you look at the top fifty programs

(26:24):
across the United States the yearn and you're out, what
are they? They're the National Football in their college football games.
That does tell me. The one thing is that all
these networks CBS, NBC, ABC, ESPN, and Fox, they cherish
live programming. So why does it matter if a Major
League baseball game or even college baseball is three hours,
three and a half hours or four hours? Live programming

(26:46):
is king here in the United States. It's as much
as we like, like rich I'm not speaking for anyone
other than myself, right, you know, it's when I'm saying
I would like the game shortened, then that's a personal desire.
So if if I told you that we could condense
golf and have and have a clock on golfers, would

(27:06):
you be okay? Okay, listen. Golf is one of those games,
don't get me wrong, that could use a facelift as
well in certain cases. But but baseball is one of
those sports that could very easily, in my opinion, amp
up the action on the field. The reason why NFL

(27:28):
is so consumable even though there's only eleven minutes of
actual action during a three hour broadcast is because of
how often the action occurs, you know, it's every thirty
seconds you have something to watch. In baseball, sometimes with
these meetings at the mound and a picture taking his
time because he's looking over his shoulder at first base,

(27:49):
we gotta, you know, but we don't wanna. We don't
want to a runner in scoring position and you've got
three throwouts to first before even throws a pitch. Sometimes
there's a break of two and a half three minutes
in the action where you literally could doze off in
the middle of an exciting game. But it's a problem.
But again you look at the length of the game,
it rivals what we get in the national football again

(28:10):
college football, I mean, but there's action. But my point
is context is everything, right, If you give me three
hours of something, they're better be action consistently throughout that.
The bigger question is somebody mentioned Bloody Mary's. I mean,
suddenly both that sounds really really good. Right now, we're
gonna be back in San Diego and a few few

(28:31):
hours so you might head down to old town. So, uh,
you guys had mentioned the pitch clock, and obviously what's
going on. Fourteen seconds with the umpty base is nineteen
seconds with runners on UM guys. One game in the
NBA right now, Brooklyn Boston. They're tied up at twenty
eight apiece on Fox Michigan and Ohio State and a
good one buck guys leaving by seven thirty seven to thirty.
Houston getting clobbered by Memphis sixty to forty six six

(28:55):
now is a score Cougars and four this season. But
they're in a world of Earth and then run Kurds
is blowing out Penn State. They do, there's about eight
minutes to play in regulation. All right, Well, we'll have
much more fun with you, guys. Know, I'm just we're
just like prefer list. It's like having alcohol. Some days
you want liquor, some days you want to beer, some

(29:17):
days you want wine, some days you want so you
don't have to consume at all. Yeah, okay, well some
days they're different. Way, all right, David, we'll check in
with you a little bit later on. By the way,
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about you rich this morning, I could use one of
those breakfast burritos so we had on a Friday. Dude,
there's there's a place in San Diego we go to. Uh.
I mean there's next Level, right, there's always next level.

(29:58):
You know, you always said, wow, that was the best this,
that's the best this, And all of a sudden you're like,
I mean I was telling Gascon because you know he's
a big breakfast burrito. I'm still having you know, those
those like those aftershock moments where you're just like, man,
I need to do that again, because there are gonna

(30:20):
eaten many meals with you over the years. I don't
know if I've ever seen like you took that first
bite and you're like wow, okay, and you devoured that thing.
Oh yeah, that was fast work. Normally you're the one who,
like you know, you're a fast eat You unlatch your
jaw like a reticulated python and come. I mean, I'm
not even sure if there's chewing involved. When when when

(30:42):
it comes to me, normally I like to savor and enjoy.
This was impossible. This was so delicious. As soon as
the last bite was taken, the next was on its way. Man, Yeah,
breakfast burrito would do me. All right, Okay, we have
a lot to do today. I wanted to mention here
and we're gonna be up against the clock. And I
probably have more on this a little bit later on.

(31:03):
We are a week away from Selection Sunday, a week
from today Selection Sunday. Regular season games are wrapping up today.
We're gonna get into the major conference conference tournaments this week.
But last night a Cameron indoor it was the send
off for UH coach K. And you know, I've always
said this about Coach K. This is in no way

(31:23):
to demean his stature as literally one of the greatest
college basketball coaches of all time. I will always lean
to John Wooden. I'm sorry people say it was a
different era. I will still put my money on John
Wooden as the greatest college basketball coach of all time.
But if there's a Mount Rushmore, obviously Coach K is
on that Mount Rushmore. But yesterday we were talking about

(31:44):
coach K Jeff and I and I mentioned that he
I had a chance to interview him several times because
my former partner here on Fox Sports Radio. Pat O'Brien, so,
Darry dear friend of Coach K. He could literally call
him on the phone and he's on our show. I mean,
this was how insane it was. He's a he's a
prickly character. I mean, he's not an easy guy. Coach

(32:05):
K is not a warm and fuzzy guy, and that
was unfull display last night. He was obviously very upset
that here it was with all his returning players and
Cameron Indoor. People paid tens of thousands of dollars to
be there, and they lost the game. They got run
off the court at the end by of all teams,
North Carolina. And when he grabbed that mike before the

(32:27):
ceremonies postgame ceremonies, which were already pre planned, and and
you know, said that was unacceptable. I just thought it was.
It was so Coach K and really unnecessary. I felt
it very tough on the players that obviously we're playing
their hearts out. They didn't want to obviously lose the game.
They just didn't have enough to beat North Carolina. I

(32:49):
just found it was very unnecessary and in some ways
took away from what was a real celebration for a
guy that obviously had had a great coaching career. Yeah, yeah,
you know. Look, I mean, if there's one thing I'll
say just in general, is everybody is destined to have

(33:10):
a bad moment, right, you know, if you give enough
access to a human being, especially when they're emotional, I mean,
they're they're going to have a bad moment. I'm not
defending coach, k I'm not defending Frankly, I'm not. This
is sort of just more of a blanket reaction to
the way we react to certain moments in general. And

(33:30):
I'm I'm guilty of this too. You know. I see
something that's disagreeable with me, and uh, you know, sometimes
I'll even take to social media over it, and then
later on, you know, realize I got caught up in
the moment, you know. And and it's interesting, right because
we'll give ourselves the latitude to get caught up in
the moment, but we won't for anybody else. You know.

(33:52):
We'll give the latitude for our kids, or for our friends,
or for our family members, for the people who we know, uh,
you know, personally to get caught up in the moment,
but we won't do it for you know, a professional
who stands in front of a microphone moments after a
harrowing loss or a career moment potentially that didn't go

(34:14):
their way. Yeah, and and look, you know so again
this isn't a defense necessarily of this particular moment. But
wouldn't you agree, like like, isn't that the purpose of
having postgame press is to see someone when they're raw? Well? Yeah,
but if he if he had come out first of all,
I would agree. If I were his wife and daughters,
I would have grabbed him like dad, No, no, no,

(34:35):
let's let's just do our post game. They want to
honor everything else. But if you are going to do that,
then put the blame on yourself. If he had gotten
on the mic and said, look, I want to apologize.
This was unacceptable, It's on me. I should have done
a better job of coaching tonight. You know, the crowd
would have oh, you're the best, blah blah blah blah
blah blah. He didn't do that. The way he presented

(34:57):
it was this was unacceptable, as in my players let
me down. He didn't take any personal responsibility for that loss.
He just threw it out there, and all I could
think about these nineteen twenty year old kids. They're playing
their hearts out. Obviously they want to win for the coach.
They just got beat by a better team on that night.
It was unnecessary, but it was very typical. You know

(35:20):
when you when you announced your retirement before a season.
I want to get into this a little bit later on. There.
There's there's a way to go out gracefully, and unfortunately
for coach k that was not a good moment for him.
All right. On the other side, we also plenty coming
up as far as the NFL Combine is concerned. All
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(37:11):
on in the NFL of the combine, but I gotta
ask you this, as a former NFL lineman, to watch
Jordan Davis at six ft six and three eighths three
hundred and forty one pounds run a four seven eight forty.
Your thoughts, Rich, Yeah, it's not fair, you know what
I mean, Like, how is that even human? Six six

(37:36):
and three aids his official height three one pounds and
he breaks four eight in a forty? How? How how
do we get here? Right? I mean, these guys, I'm
I am so in awe of this generation of athlete period.
You know, the level of commitment that that it took
for me, and the sacrifice and the the ability. I mean,

(37:59):
I'm not denying that there was definitely some innate ability
and measurables that I had going into the whole process
of becoming a professional athlete. Um, but but it seemed tremendous.
It seemed I mean I put everything I had into it.
And I mean on the forty, I was a five
flat guy. You know, I don't know I was. I

(38:22):
was middle of the road strength, you know, was a
thirty plus reps guy on the bench. Nothing that's gonna
blow your doors off. I mean, I was an athlete.
But that that's kind of where the conversation started. You
were talking about a super human feat like what Jordan
Davis did at the combine. Is so it's so remarkable

(38:43):
that that it really as realities. All Right, so we're
up against but I want to get I jumped it
very quickly in this alright. So this guy, you know,
it's amazing because he's a first team All American, he
was top ten in the Heisman Trophy, got plenty of
fan fair for the national champs. It wasn't even an
every down defensive lineman. Now, uh, he's he's known as

(39:03):
a run stuffer. At one point ahead him on my
shortlist for the Heistman. But there were no numbers to
really translate. But if you're the NFL right now looking
at this guy, what did that do for his draft stock? Well?
It again, the combine in his forty yr dash really
isn't going to change the mind of anybody because when
you turn on the film, and like you said, even

(39:24):
though he doesn't have stats, what he is in context
is one of the best defensive lineman we've seen coming out,
you know, to anchor the middle of the defense in
a very long time. You know, he's a true um
black hole in the middle of the defensive line. He
could take on two blockers, keep them busy while linebacker
makes a play, or he can separate and make his

(39:46):
own play and he factors on just about every play
that he's in. Uh, it's he's just a remarkable player,
and he's a remarkable athlete. And so it just it
just sort of rubber stamps it. It doesn't prove anything
that they don't already know, but it just shows a
rubber stamp over the top, like Yeah, and then on
top of it, he's a frequent when it comes to
open field running. Yeah. I I just think that it

(40:09):
tells me there's even more to his game at the
next level. All Right, speaking to the next level, we
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it's hard to believe, Rich, that we are one week
away from selection Sunday. I mean, we're gonna be sitting
here counting down the selections Sunday next week conference tournaments,
and we're gonna have all kinds of basketball going on.

(40:53):
Cannot wait. I think you would agree with me. We've
talked plenty about it. Uh, this is a wide open tournament.
I know they can zaget sitting there thinking, you know,
they thought last year they were undefeated all the way
to the championship game before running out of gas getting
blown out by Baylor. Um that they believe this is
their year. But there's a lot of dynamics late in

(41:14):
the season that could change the conference tournaments and the
n c A tournament. And that was the postponement canceled
let's say, you know, canceling some of those games in
in late December early January with the omicron variant that
swept the country and a lot of games were shut down.
So they, you know, they've been trying to jam all
these games in, making up games late in the season.

(41:37):
And we'll see which teams had some you know, taken
out of the game because of that extra workload down
the stretch. How many people have some you know, gas
left in the tank. But I I just can't wait,
because you know, this is the first World tournament had
in three years. Two years ago, of course it was canceled,
and last year the entire tournament was in Indianapolis. Now

(41:57):
we're going to get back to the new norm, right
We regionals all over the country, opening rounds all over
the country. So it's getting back to normalcy in terms
of the basic format of these year's n c A
A basketball tournament. Yeah. Yeah, Listen, I think that in
general sports sort of feel like they've taken a turn
for more normalcy, you know, just sort of putting a

(42:20):
ball in what you said about the past couple of
years and the fight for all sports, but college basketball especially.
I mean you're starting to see like the NFL, for example,
has really thrown out all of their COVID protocols. They're
going to go back to completely normal this upcoming NFL season.
The Combine is an example of what that's gonna look like,
sort of returning to form. Yeah. I think if there's

(42:43):
a sport that really needs to have a tournament that
reminds you of exactly how special this time of the
uh the sports calendar can be, it's college basketball. I
Mean there's no other time in sport like it where
you find yourself rooting for a team that, prior to
the month of March you at zero awareness awareness of

(43:06):
you know, and it happens every year. Small school out
of Chicago gets on a run and all of a sudden,
you know, we're in love with you know this, uh,
this this this sister who's sitting Gene, Uh sitting sister Jean, Yeah,
sitting courtside. You know, uh, you have you have a
team out of who knows where, Rhode Island getting hot,

(43:29):
and all of a sudden, there's backers because people fill
out their brackets and some people will go chalk, some
people will get experimental with things, and there's real interest,
and it's it's one of the only it's one of
the only postseason sport tournaments that do it this way,

(43:49):
and it works. And they needed to be back to
what it was, uh, prior to the pandemic, and I
think we're getting there. By the way, Sister Geane is
still doing great. She's a hundred and two years old now. Rich.
She was born in nineteen nineteen, I mean, and at
the time of the last pandemic we had, she was

(44:12):
ten years old when the Great depression. That is right,
she was born in August first, nineteen nineteen. He's a
hundred and two years old, and she's getting ready for
the m VC, the Missouri Valley Conference tournament. He's all
excited about it for loyal, Loyal by the way, they
year one of the well they that's right, they want it. Yeah,
so they that's why they want it. And they are

(44:34):
now onto the NC tournament. What are they the Ramblers
do I got that right? The Ramblers absolutely. I mean
that was a special tournament. That but that's the point.
Is they all or they all were and then obviously
the pandemic shutdown one March and then it really changed
how things looked in the next you know, with the
Indianapolis tournament. I just cannot wait to see what this

(44:59):
feel like because I think very much like don't don't
you feel like there was a feeling this football season
and hopefully this baseball season if we have one where
you're you're you can breathe for the first time, absolutely
you can sort of just enjoy it again. But in
football this year, because of this uh them crome, we

(45:22):
we did have shutdowns, we did have postpoment. So yeah,
we we'd like to have like a full n c
A basketball tournament and get watching these conference tournaments, watching
these games. Last night, for instance, my school u c
l A beat USC first time. By the way, the
mccronin is able to beat the crosstown rival. Doesn't matter
about final four runs. You better beat your crosstown rival,

(45:43):
whoever it is. UM. It was packed at Polly Pavilion,
and I mean it was packed to the brim and
it was great to see UM and and there were
some there were a few mass The mass mandata, of
course have been lifted, uh, not only in the state
of California, but the city of Los Angeles, meaning that
in some events you still have to have mask. Worrying,
but you know it was more optional, but just the

(46:05):
feel of it, just to have all the fans out
there and place was rocking. They got a big victory.
Iowa Sam wants to jump on in right now. Yeah. So, UM.
A couple of things about Loyal Chicago. Their first year
head coach is a guy by the name of Drew Valentine,
and his younger brother is Denzel Valentine, who of course
played at Michigan State went on to the NBA. UM

(46:27):
and I didn't know this. So Northern Iowa beat uh
Loyal Chicago final game in the regular season to win
the regular season NVC title, and then of course Loyal
turns around and knocks out Northern Iowa. And now Northern
Iowa's in an n I T. So the you don't
believe that Northern Iowa they've already accepted. No, they've already
because they only had nineteen wins, they've already accepted. Uh

(46:48):
an n I T. N I T hasn't offered any invitations. Well,
but they've I've read yesterday that they're the second team
in the n I T s Northern Iowa. So I
don't know if they've well, the n I T doesn't
picked their field until the n C. I'll do I'll
do some research here. So in other words, if the
n c A does pick them, they're gonna turn it
down because they've already accepted a bit to the n
I T. Standing. Let me look into this somehow. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

(47:09):
they In other words, they will accept an n I
T bid if they're given one. It's what you're saying.
But the n I T obviously can't pick their field
until the n C field is announced. Yeah, no, you're
I always come immediately after, you know, Yeah, I'll look
into this. So, but you're saying Northern i will turn
down the n c A because they know I'm not
saying getting that. I'm just just want to. By the way,

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gonna be skipping around on a lot of We've got
all kinds of stories all over the map today. I

(47:53):
want to throw a name at you right now. Aaron Rodgers. Okay, Now,
there are reports out there, and this is apparently from
substantial sources, that Aaron Donald's agent, Aaron Rodgers. Excuse me, Aaron, I,
I'm sorry, Aaron Rodgers agent, with permission from the Packers,

(48:17):
is already put in place deals potential deals with the
Denver Broncos, the Tennessee Titans, and the Pittsburgh Steelers, in fact,
to the degree where compensation has already been decided on.
Now it's up to the Packers whether or not they're
interested in any one of these deals to make a

(48:39):
trade for Aaron Rodgers So we're coming up on the
deadline of Mark sixteen. That was the deadline that Aaron
Rodgers set for his reveal on his future, because that's
the first day of NFL free agency. So do you
believe this, because again many reports are out there saying,
oh no, no, we already got to ls in place.

(49:00):
We know what Denver is gonna offer, we know what
Tennessee is gonna offer, we know what Pittsburgh is gonna offer. Again,
all a f C teams. I think there's no way
the Packers are gonna trade Aaron Rodgers within their own conference.
But the FC makes sense. All three of those teams,
by the way, do make sense right now, especially the
Tennessee Titans. Can you imagine if you take a team
that was the one seed and replace Ryan Tannehill with

(49:24):
Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, that suddenly makes them a whole different team.
But do you believe this is actually taking place? And
if so, if compensation is in place, do you think
that any one of those teams will have enough compensation
for the Packers to pull the trigger on a trade. Well,
let's let's put this all in the place it needs

(49:46):
to be. You know, we don't know what Aaron has
said to the franchise, meaning what he's said to the
general manager, to the head coach too, you know, the
the principal owners. Uh, you know, in terms of you know,
the president of this football team. Um. But maybe the
conversation is like, hey, look, I'm I'm dwelling or I'm

(50:08):
I'm living in a world right now where I'm I'm
either gonna retire or I'm gonna play with a different team.
So if you guys want, you know, to quietly put
out the feelers to see if another team is interested,
uh in in my services, go for it, um, you know,
And and we could discuss when you have deals in place,
and and I can pick from that that group of teams.

(50:29):
It could have been that open. We don't know, right,
you know, so everything is speculation. Do I believe the speculation? Well,
I believe it. From this standpoint, Aaron has been dissatisfied
in Green Bay over the past three seasons. I think
the Jordan's Love drafting was a real wedge issue for

(50:50):
him and this front office, who was new to Green Bay.
Aaron had been there forever, and I don't think he
felt like it would is an agreeable way to do business.
He felt blindsided by it. Um. He's he's been very
very public about how he feels about a lot of things.
I think overall, you know, considering we had nearly weekly

(51:12):
appointments hearing from Aaron Rodgers throughout this season, he seems happier,
uh this season than he did last. I think we
had more limited um information from him directly. Uh So
maybe he was just as happy last season, you know,
or I'm talking about the season. I don't know, but
he seemed happy. You know, they were successful, even in

(51:33):
his last interview on the Pat McAfee show, UM, where
he was telling, you know, telling everybody, Hey, listen, I
just did this twelve day cleanse. You know, I was
throwing up and I had diarrhea, and I spent twelve
days centering my key and now I'm feeling better about everything.
And I'm I'm I'm I just needed to expel some
things and start my off season the right way. But

(51:55):
there is gonna be no decision. He seemed like he
was in a good place. So maybe he wants to play,
maybe he wants to continue his career, and maybe it's
just not with the Packers. And he felt like he
has done all he can do for this team in
the time he's been with them, So yeah, I I
kind of feel like he could be traded. But again,
I'm out of the business of guessing what's next with

(52:17):
Aaron Rodgers. I can't. I I haven't gotten it right
over the past couple of seasons, Gascon. I got some
semi breaking news for both of you, guys, Matterizer four
seven to How about that San Diego States Ray Guy
Award winners? God, Matterized know they have punners running forties. Well,

(52:40):
you know he's an athlete. He's not a punter. Yeah, yeah,
he's He's trying out for safety for the Detroit Lions.
You know, sometimes you're the last guy to chase down
the well, no matter, he is one of those guys
to get down and dirty. He's not He's not afraid
to make a tackle out that we probably. I treated
out a video from the NFL from the Combine showing
matter Rise hitting a plus fit fifty punt that landed

(53:04):
at the one inch line in in the He's having
an excellent combine. This only adds to it. Look, you
know we talk about this, this can happen. You know,
you had the kid from Um, not Miami but Florida State, right,
who got drafted in the second round by the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers recently and that was a complete flame out
for them. Um, But you also have stories like Janikowski

(53:29):
where he gets drafted or and and it works out.
You know what I mean? You could have a first
round specialist. I don't know if you could have a
first round putter. And I don't know how a guy
was a first round punter. And the story was way
back in nineteen seventy three and Al Davis made the
pick and his coach John Madden stormed out of the

(53:50):
meeting screaming, are you kidding me? We just wasted a
first round pick on a punter. Three Super Bowl wins later,
no one complained on the Hall of Famer Ray Guy,
I I got some thoughts on what's best for the Packers.
In fact, we got a lot of quarterback news coming up,
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(54:10):
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(54:32):
want to get to right now, Richard. I want to
give up my thoughts on the Aaron Rodgers situation here quickly,
because if indeed the report is accurate, the deals are
in place, potential deals are in place with the Steelers,
the Broncos, and the Titans, and the compensation is worthy

(54:52):
of a two time raining NFL m v P. If
I were the Green May Packers, I would not hesitate
to make the move. And I say this because when
you look at the last few years with Aaron Rodgers,
for whatever reason, and it's not just teammates, it's he's

(55:13):
a big part of it. They'd come up short in
the playoffs. I mean, if if they release, if they
if they get rid of Aaron Rodgers and get multiple
number ones in return and other additional compensation. You have
a quarterback that you drafted in the first round, Jordan's love.
He's been in the system for a couple of years.
I would hope that you're coaching staff is preparing him

(55:35):
to eventually take over as the starting quarterback of this team. Now,
if you go from Aaron Rodgers one year to Jordan's
Love the next year, are you going to be at
the same level? Obviously not. But if he is the
talent you thought he was when you moved up in
the draft to originally take him, then okay, you might
take a step back one year, but you might take
a step forward the following year. You have a great

(55:57):
young coach and Matt Lafleur he's not going anywhere. So
if the compensation package is worthy of the guy that
is a future first ballot Hall of Famer and a
two time reigning MVLP and of NFL m v P.
If I were the Packers Boom Gone gone, well, listen,

(56:19):
I I don't disagree with you, but here's what I'll
say about Matt Lafleur and the Packers. Yes, he's a
talented head coach who's had Aaron Rodgers his entire tenure
as a head coach. Look, you know, I I want
to give credit where credits due. You know, there are
certain coaches in the NFL who I think deserve a

(56:41):
tremendous amount of credit for their accomplishments um as head coaches.
Andy Reid throughout decades now has proven to be one
of these types of coaches who is going to win
regardless of the circumstances. Bill Belichick, even through the turmoil
of losing the greatest football player of all time, has

(57:02):
found a way to sustain the success in New England.
Uh and and now breaking in a brand new rookie
quarterback who looks pretty good man. Um. You know Sean McVeigh.
He went to a Super Bowl with Jared Goff and
then did something that Detroit Lions couldn't do for twelve years.
He brought Matthew Stafford to a Super Bowl and won
it with him. You know, But I I I look,

(57:24):
I balk at the opportunity to praise the coach who's
never done it when the circumstances haven't presented themselves where
they have to earn it without a future Hall of
Famer quarterback, you know. I mean, I mean, is Pete
Carroll going to the Hall of Fame in the NFL
without Russell Wilson? And I'm not saying he got lucky,

(57:47):
but is he? I mean, what does Pete Carroll's coaching
career look like without Russell Well, Bill bellis I go
to the Hall of Fame without Tom Brady? I don't,
I don't know. I mean, but the story and he
was a coach that Cleveland didn't do a whole lot there.
That he turned them into a playoff team for one year. Okay,
So Steve, he took a dreadful football team, turn them
into a playoff team and then went to New England

(58:09):
and started the the dynasty. Uh with a team that
was absolutely also playoff here with a bad six round
draft pick. Look, Tom Brady before he was Tom Brady
was a six round draft pick. Okay, so he made
part part of the conversation is there was work to
be done. Do you remember the Packers record before Matt
Laflour showed up. They had a losing team he inherited.

(58:32):
They had Aaron Rodgers and the team because Aaron Rodgers
had a collar bone injury. The last couple of years
there weren't great with Mike McCarthy. Aaron Rodgers was often
injured during the last of the years of the McCarthy tenure. Right,
So you are I'm just saying this that have to

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make a decision with Matt la Floor. Either you believe
this guy is actually a quality coach new things, or
you don't. My point is this, if everything you said
feels credible, and it feels like you know, we could
all rest assured that Matt la Floor has got this
thing figured out because it's worked so well with Aaron Rodgers,
who's arguably one of the most talented quarterbacks who's ever

(59:15):
walked the planet Earth. Or if I'm the front office
in Green Bay, I'm going to try my absolute hardest
to keep Aaron Rodgers if there's a way, and I'm
and there is, I'm convinced there is. I don't know
what it's gonna take. But if there's a way to
keep Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay and keep him happy

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for one more season, wouldn't you delay this one more
year and try to win a Super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers.
It all depends on what's being offered. Like I said,
if if, if the if the if the compensation does
not match the stature of Aaron Rodgers, and no, I'm
not going to give him away for anything, but if
somebody just blows my doors off, and again, when you

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have multiple teams competing, you're going to opt the antie
and somebody is offering me again, what what like when
we talk about first round draft picks? Right? And you say,
all right, so let's say you offer three first round
draft picks for Aaron Rodgers. Okay, so that gives you
three more opportunities in the draft to get it right.
You've already used the number one on Jordan's Love. You

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believed enough in Jordan's Love as a future starting quarterback
to move up in the draft. That's how much you
believed in this guy as a potential starting quarterback in
this league. Now you add to that. Plus, by the way,
it would also give you an opportunity to franchise tag
Davante Adams. Now that doesn't mean Davonte Adams has to
accept it, as we know. Um, but I I don't know.

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I just look, he's been there the last three years.
Aaron Rodgers did not play well in that playoff lass
at home against the forty niners and then and and
you know, we have a pro football focus does a
lot of different things. Jeff Schwartz is a big believer
in this, and here's what he says. When you look
at Aaron Rodgers, thing that always is remarkable why he
has the highest pass rady in the history of the game.

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He doesn't throw interceptions, he doesn't take a lot of
unnecessary chances. But the risk takers. Tom Brady is one
of those, and he's a little bit inconsistent because he
will throw some picks. But the risk takers tend to
do better in playoff games. And Aaron Rodgers is not
that guy. Um So the fact is they haven't been

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to a Super Bowl. It's going on twelve years Green
Bay with Aaron Rodgers. But why not, why not turn
the page and start preparing for the future. Because because
Jordan's Love is going to be a step back, So
you're right, at some point you're going to have to
prepare for the future. But just because you trade it

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up to get Jordan's Love doesn't mean that he's an
NFL product that's going to bring you success or any
sort of sustained success. I mean, the Jets traded up
to get Sam Donald, the Bear is traded up to
get Mitchell Trabiski, the the Rams traded up to get
Jared Goff, you know, I mean the Devor Broncos traded

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up to get Paxton Lynch. Look a lot of teams
trade up and and get a quarterback who ends up
busting on them. The Browns they traded up to get
Johnny Manzel. It doesn't always work out. And the quarterback
position is such a mercurial, uh, a position to draft

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and to try to evaluate. I mean, it's sort of
like the old expression. You know, a burden hand is
worth two in the bush. Yeah, you could say, okay,
over there in the draft, we can get our replacement
for Aaron Rodgers. And who knows, maybe that's true. Aaron
Rodgers was a first round draft pick who waited behind

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Brett Farve for years before becoming the next Hall of
Fame quarterback out of Green Bay. But that may not
be the case with Jordan's love. So I guess my
point is, yes, you're absolutely right. At some point the
green Bay Packers will turn the page on Aaron Rodgers.
Well right now, I'm not anxious to Well. My point

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again is if he doesn't have as good a year,
if there is a drop off in his game, then
you've lost your leverage. I just want to I do again,
the package would have to be through the roof. I'm
not giving away Aaron Rodgers, but based on where he
stands right now, and that you have three teams allegedly
already with proposed this on the table, I'd be very
curious to see what they're offering. All right, let's find

(01:03:32):
out what's trending right now. Here's a guy that is
never on the trade market ever, and that would be
David Gascon because I feel like I'm on the waiver wire.
That's why the perpetual waiver wire. You know what, you
know what it is, and and I've I've used this
throughout my career. Survive in advance. You know, you're just

(01:03:54):
you know, one day at a time to survive, and
you're in the postseason. Just keep move it along, do
you guys? Do you guys read a lot of threads
on Twitter? Oh yeah, every Rich is a big guy
in you Steve, You don't. I was reading a thread
ten life lessons from Mr Miyagi. Adversity is inevitable, often

(01:04:18):
times out of control and life they're survivors and their
victims that there are no shortcuts, choose your crowd wisely,
don't be afraid, so on and so forth. Yeah, well
I agree with a lot of that. I I pretty
much I think Rich knows this, and I think you
know this. I pretty much established my preferred path in life.

(01:04:38):
Oh oh yeah, yeah, Steve is a trailblazer. Well, I mean,
we can't control everything, but everything that I what I
want to do. For the most part, I'm able to
do that in or out of the bedroom. That's everywhere,
that professionally, privately, the whole. Speaking of which, I gotta
play this. This high final, hard sounds, Longwood Big South champions,

(01:05:04):
unbelievable season. They don't need the cardiac kids today. You
could put your nitro, clitzer and pills away along with dominates.
From start to finish, the Lancers are going dancing. That
was Iowa Sam in a certain hotel room last week
during Gavin's wedding. Wow. Can I make a quick correction?
You can't Chicago. Can I really quick here, Dave? I'm sorry.

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I always pipe in during your updates. Loyal Chicago actually
beat Northern Iowa in the semi final. They're facing them
off against another Iowa based team, Drake Bulldogs based at
a Des Moines in the NBC Championship. So I was
wrong at Loyal has not clinched the NBC. You're all
over the map. Today. Damn a little bit, did you
correct yourself ninety minutes ago? Yeah, because when you said

(01:05:48):
NBC tournament, because I I was it was a day
to her. Sister Jean was looking forward to it, and
I'm like it was over like in a day. I
was was loft correct. I apologize for accusing. And by
the way, Loyal right now is getting blown out by
Drake early. So you had already promised sister Jean that
she's in the tournament, and now she may not be

(01:06:10):
in the This stuff bugs me if I don't correct this.
So I appreciate you guys. Well, I hope, because we
have a national, actually a worldwide audience. Accurate information. There's
a reason why hosts reset the show every like fifteen
minutes because the audience is never the same. But thanks
for bringing him back ninety letter. I needed a reboot.
Loyola was very much a bubbled team. They have to

(01:06:30):
win this tournament to guarantee spot in the tournament. Steve
and Rich, you guys have a lot of pool here.
Is there any chance you guys can get Iowa Sam
fired from the show. Another guy that, yeah, I was
gonna say, he is one of those those rare few
who's not only is he going nowhere, but he'll have
the golden parachute when he finally decides to go. He

(01:06:51):
has a lot of days taken up, he has and
he's now like popular on everyone's list to attend weddings. Um,
you know because of his uh, the way he looked
in his touch at Gavin's wedding. People are just saying
that as a guy last nothing to do with the
brighter groom. We just throw just want done. Any of

(01:07:11):
this really fills out a cumber punk. Wow what that means?
But thank you because you have a big gut, large gut,
he said his hips. What can be a problem for
him says he has birth being in the text. Guys,
their sports being played today, so it must keep you

(01:07:34):
guys in before. But Michigan is leading Ohio State right
now seventy one sixties seven. That's on Fox as we speak.
Nebraska by twelve over tenth rinked Wisconsin thirty to eighteen.
Is Italian there, you guys mentioned Drake and Chicago. Drake
leads by seven, Central Florida by ten over Tulsa. Memphis
hammered Houston seventy five to sixty one, and then Penn

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State lost to Rutgers fifty nine to fifty eight. Yeah, yeah,
I can't give birth. Okay, alright, okay, just in case
you're wondering, it's official, Io, Sam cannot give but pregnant. Alright.

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That was that was being back and forth. But now
we know that. Um can we talk small hands right now?
Speaking of birth? Alright? So um, this was interesting. The
two biggest stories seemingly that came out of the combine
so far is a three pound Jordan Davis breaking four
eight and the forty and the fact that Kenny Pickett,

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the pick quarterback Heisman finalists, would have the smallest hands
of any starting quarterback in the NFL. I'm gonna go
over this list right now with you about hands size
among current quarterbacks, at least the guys that were the
guys the prominent quarterbacks for their teams. In one smallest
hand size of a main starting quarterback in the NFL

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last year was Taysom Hill at eight and three quarters.
Next up are three guys that checked in at just
nine inches. That's hand sized, by the way. One of
them is Jared Goff. Remember that going into being the
draft's number one overall pick, Ryan Tannehill has nine inch

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hands and the other guy Joe Burrow. So Joe Burrow
is tied for second for the smallest hand size of
any quarterback in the NFL. And the last time I checked,
he's doing pretty well. I'll give you another guy that's
sort of low on that totem pole. In the bottom

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ten in terms of hands size, a guy named Patrick
Mahomes of the Kansas City Chiefs checks in it just
nine and a quarter inches. Now, as far as the
top threes hand size, this is sort of mind blowing
to me. The starting quarterbacks in this league that have

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the biggest hands, one of them is Josh Allen. Now
that doesn't surprise you, because that's a giant man, right
checking in at ten and an eight. Wow, ten and
a eight. That's a commanding amount of hands. Yeah, Tied
with him at ten and an eight. Go on Aaron Rodgers,

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whoa big hands. Cold weather quarterbacks been picked up for
a firm grip on the football. However, However, standing alone
at the top of the mountain, checking hand at ten
and a quarter two quarter unmatched biggest hands of any
current starting quarterback in the NFL. Can I guess, go

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for it. My guess is, jeez, Mike is Ben Roethlisberger.
Ben Roethlisberger nine in seven eights? How about this nine
and seven eights. No, I'm saying ten in a quarter, Sorry, Ben,
not even close. In fact, how about this to a

(01:11:12):
tongue of by law bigger hands in Ben Roethlisberger, whoa
checked in at ten, Trevor Lawrence Atten, Justin Herbert Attend,
Dak Prescott at tim, Matthew Staffords And but I'll load
at ten in a quarter. Russell Wilson, at five ft eleven,
one of the shortest quarterbacks in the league, has got
the biggest hands at ten and a quarter, by the way,

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the largest hands ever by a quarterback measured in the NFL.
And this shows you how some guys will, uh, these
talent evaluators will get enamored with hand size. Back in
the NFL Draft, the San Francisco forty Niners were coming

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to the end of Steve Young's career, so he went
from Joe Montana to Steve Young. And you're looking for
that next star quarterback. And one of the hot guys
in that draft was a guy named Jake Plumber coming
out of Arizona State, who went on to have a
pretty decent NFL career, but they passed on him because
this guy had hands the only quarterback ever in NFL

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history with hands that measured over eleven inches. Yea, the
immortal Jim Drunken Miller. Jim Drunken Miller. Of course, he
was drafted at the twenties overall pick, first round draft pick.
His entire NFL career consisted of six games. He played

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six games in the NFL and it was over. So
this whole idea about hand size and everything else, it
didn't stop Jared Goff from being the first pick of
the draft, or Joe Burrow, who's had some success, I
would say with the Bengals. So when I hear all
this fuss about hand size of Kenney Pickett, seems to me,
like so many other things, he knew how this works

(01:12:57):
rich a distraction, like you know, say pick wow eight
and a half. This guy can't hold a football, doesn't quarterback.
In the end, he doesn't appear to have like any
trouble playing football, but like, like I mean, the things
that are he's going to struggle with is like you know,
when when he's trying to open a pickle jar like

(01:13:17):
in his fingers don't quite over the whole lid, Like
he'll probably hand that off to his girlfriend or something.
You know, he's holding a number two pencil and it
looks like a highlighter in his hand, you know, like
those sort of things those yea. By the way, for
the record, Tom Brady had nine in three eights, bottom
half of the league in terms of hands. I think,

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what's what's really funny about this? And I do. I
think it's just funny. It's no real bearing on how
he's gonna work out as an NFL quarterback, obviously, But
what I think is funny about it is because there
is such a strong correlation um in terms of foot
size and hand size to other things that every time,
every time this comes around, and there's undoubtedly one quarterback

(01:14:04):
that's gonna have to go through this the smallest hands
at the combine and is it a factor it comes
up every year. There's a little bit of a level
of humiliation that that comes with Yeah, And and then
they have to ask answer questions about this. And because
they're they're being interviewed for a job publicly that they

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want so desperately, they actually have to be prepped on
how to answer these questions. Well, I'm looking at a
headline here. There's a picture of a picket, right, and
the headline is pickets hands smaller than any current NFL quarterbacks,
And it's got his big smiley face, and it's holding
like a giant microphone that's normal size where everyone else.

(01:14:47):
It is the most ridiculous thing ever, But it's you
know what you're trying to do. There's probably a number
of teams that are interested in him, and you're you're
one of those teams. You're like, wow, gee, small hands.
I don't think gonna take him. It's gonna be a
zero factor, I promise you in the future. Kenny Pickett
uh in the NFL. Al right, On the other side,

(01:15:07):
What a night last night for Lebron James. Can we
put in perspective a guy putting up fifty six on
the Warriors last night? We'll try coming up next. Look
at those hands, hands, Look at those hands. Steve Harbin,
Rich Harmburger, Fox Sports Sunday, Did you happen to watch

(01:15:32):
that Lakers Warriors game last night? Um? I did not,
but I watched the recap of that game, and I
watched what Lebron James did. I mean, did you see
when he made three three pointers in a role Matthew
Stafford was at the game, yep, And he actually had
a little exchange with Stafford. He was like, do you

(01:15:55):
think I couldn't I couldn't. Uh, you know it's something
like I couldn't have a game like that if with
you in the house or something like. You know, he
was showing off a little bit, which there's very few
players who can who can take over an entire game
all by himself, and he was playing against one of them,
and Steph Curry. I mean, that's certainly one of those dudes. Um,

(01:16:15):
but in the league every year like where you know,
you could just completely overtake a game, and Lebron's obviously
one of those players. But what's so fascinating about this
is his age and the way he takes over games exactly.
I mean we were marveling at Jordan Davis at three
one pounds running a four seven eight forties twenty two

(01:16:36):
years old Lebron James. It wasn't just the threes. I
mean he had an alley from a leak monk, just
a monster slam elevating himself, and and and to me,
it always gets back to this rich and and and
Tom Brady obviously in the same class at age forty
four throwing more yards or more passes than any game
of his entire career. When you talk about athletes that

(01:16:59):
have done it all, nothing to prove nothing, and they
still drive themselves to maintain a level, the commitment it
takes is unimaginable for the average person, but for the
Tom Brady's, for the Lebron james Is of the world,
this is what they do. There's no slacking, there's no

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days off. The physical conditioning of Lebron James, who's played
nineteen years plus enough playoff games the equivalent of three
more seasons to do that against Golden State. I mean,
sometimes you have to take a step back and really
appreciate what it is you're watching. And I had a

(01:17:43):
moment last night because I was watching this game where
I'm like, take it in, man, because you're not gonna
see this again. You're just not gonna see the likes
of Lebron James again. No way. He's a big, powerful,
um freakish athlete who you know has refined his perimeter

(01:18:06):
shooting game to complement what he's able to do when
the paint is sort of shut down. I mean, he's look,
I I completely agree with you. I think that we're
living in an era that we're not truly going to
uh fully respect or admire until after his career is
over with. You know. I think we're very spoiled sometimes

(01:18:29):
as viewers uh and and sometimes get tired of seeing greatness.
If that that's as true with you know, Tom Brady
and mentioned him in the same breath as it is
with Lebron James. But there will be a day ten
years from now where we're looking back on games like this,
going how did how did he do it? Like how
is he still physically capable to do that at that age?

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And it defies logic, But here we are. I mean,
he did it again at age thirties, having and it's remarkable.
His scoring average this year is the highest it's been
in any season in twelve years at age thirty seven.
That's when he was twenty five and now he's thirty
seven on a very bad team. They're not good. I

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mean some people we were talking like, well, this is
a wind turned the season around. No, it doesn't. All
it does is amplify the player the Lebron James is
has been and we're just not gonna see his likes again.
He is doing stuff. He is an unchartered territory, just
like Tom Brady was. All right on the other side.
I want to get back to the combine, Rich, because

(01:19:38):
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have really good news right now for Sister Jean. Earlier,
a false report given out by our Iowa sam that
Loyal in Chicago was safely in the tournament having won
the Missouri Valley Conference championship. Uh, the championship game actually
had not been played yet. It is being played now.

(01:20:22):
Drake had the early lead, but Loyal has now taken
a seven point lead with a minute and a half
to go. So, uh, you know, giving a one and
two year old woman false hopes. Uh wasn't right. You
corrected it. But now she's got to be feeling a
little bit better because Loyala does have a seven point
lead men and half to go in the half and again,
the winner of this game will actually sure tickets of

(01:20:46):
a calm in the n s A Tournament. So I
didn't want to, you know, poor woman, You know, I know,
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c A tournament. We are one week away from selection Sunday.

(01:21:06):
We're like the rest of you, man, we want to
get our hands on our brackets, were ready to roll.
Let's get it going. And we are one week away
from finding out the official field of sixty eight. But
the meantime, the NFL Combines going on in Indianapolis. Adam
Kaplan joined us yesterday from India, has been there eighteen
straight years, rich and they're talking about moving it out.

(01:21:29):
You know, all of a sudden they've decided after all
these years. And you know Indianapolis well, in fact, you
were there for a Super Bowl. I've been in Indianapolis
five times for Final Force. I've actually been there many
many times. One of the great things about Indianapolis, the
city is that it's all centrally located. It's easy access
to everything. I don't know how they were able to

(01:21:50):
configure the whole towntown area with the stadium and the
basketball arena, but it's just everything is in a in
a certain area. It's easy to get around. It's perfect site,
by the way, for AI for or even a Super Bowl.
I was there for your Super Bowl back in the day.
But by all accounts, it's also the perfect place for
the NFL combined. And the whole idea of the NFL
combine was simple. Instead of going to all these different

(01:22:13):
you know, jetting all over the place, going to these
individual workouts, how about if we all bring them into
one spot so that we can sit there, watch them,
measure them, you know, the whole shebang. Now they're talking
about taking it on the road elsewhere. Is this a
good idea? I understand the ideas about Mikey money, but
from a practical standpoint, would it be better to just

(01:22:34):
keep the combine where it is and has been for
a long time. Indianapolis, Indiana, No, No. I think this
is something that should and could be shared with other
cities that are, you know, interested in the NFL. And
and this is no offense to Indianapolis, like you said,
beautiful city, awesome venue for conventions and things like this.

(01:22:56):
They definitely have the infrastructure for it. But the NFL
draft moving from city to city, barnstorming around. I think
it's a really effective marketing tool for the NFL. I
think it gives fans of the game to visit destinations
that they may otherwise have on their list of uh
of of of places they might want to get to

(01:23:17):
at some point in Nashville year ago, um, you know,
Vegas coming up. These are experiences and and again nothing
against Indianapolis in the month of February, but how often
do we have good weather in Indianapolis during the month
of February. It just to me you can have northern

(01:23:38):
cities hosts this event. You could totally and totally conceive
of having it in in uh every nfls Minnesota Gopher,
I mean New York, Shore why not, But doesn't it
make more sense to have it in some of these
warmer weather NFL destinations that people plan on getting to

(01:24:00):
anyways at a certain point. What about New Orleans, what
about uh for Vegas, Southern California, Florida, Texas. I mean,
these are spots that people want to see anyways, and
and so yeah, I think that taking the show on
the road is going to be a benefit not only
to you know, the the players, because I mean I

(01:24:23):
would prefer if I were going to the Combine for
it to be hosted in shoot Tampa rather than Indianapolis,
just based on again, just just the weather and the
ease of getting from place to place without having to
bundle up. It's just to me, it makes more sense,
all right. So normally when we talk about the draft,
we're always getting ready for the draft in terms of

(01:24:45):
which quarterbacks are gonna go at the top of the draft.
How many quarterbacks are gonna go one to three right
down the list this year's draft, at least going into
the Combine, the buzz was, well, there's no quarterback that's
going to be in the top five, know that, And
how many quarterbacks actually potentially could go in the first round. Well,

(01:25:06):
from what I gathered, I guess this really comes as
no surprise, because you know, once you show up at
the combine, all of a sudden your mind goes back
to quarterback. And now they are saying that as many
as get this, five quarterbacks could go in the first round.
Kenny Pigott in those eight and a half inch nce,
no problem, He'll still go in the top ten picks.

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Malik Willis the kid out of Liberty. And by the way,
let me let me pause right there on Malik Willis.
So I've been watching a lot of you know, tape
on this guy, because I'll be honest with you, I
have never seen a Liberty football game that I can remember.
I guess we might have had one on, but I
wasn't really paying attention. Um, at least in the highlights.

(01:25:50):
You know how these highlight films make these guys look
out to be all world right, So you only see
the highlights and didn't get to see everything else. He
has some special gifts. Um. But there's a couple of
things here about Malik Willis. One, he's not the biggest
quarterback around. He's about six one, and usually when a
guy's listed at six one. It's a little bit of
a stretch um, but he has some great escapability. I

(01:26:13):
just I just don't know Rich when you're looking at
a guy at Liberty and we talked about this at
Trey Lance at North Dakota State. When you're coming from
smaller programs and taken on lesser competition, does it make
it hard to evaluate just how good they are projecting
them to the NFL? Look, Uh, it is impossible to

(01:26:38):
say with any sort of certainty whether or not any
quarterback is going to make it in the NFL as
a starter or as a great or even as a
competent backup. Again, this is I'm I described it as
mercurial earlier, like, it's just so difficult to pin down
in one spot what the most important analytic is when

(01:27:02):
determining whether or not a quarterback is going to translate
from the college level to the NFL level, regardless of
where he plays. Because how many times have we seen
highly talented, uh first round talent talents out of huge
football programs with a pedigree of winning really flame out
almost immediately at the NFL level. It's just a completely

(01:27:23):
different sport at that level, and it's very difficult to predict.
Here's what I will say about maek willis that I've
heard from people who I trust out at the Combine
at the Senior Bowl where he put on a show.
Um is, he can hang like that. He's not out
of place in in this room. He has tremendous intangibles.

(01:27:43):
Yes he's shorter, but his arm strength is alluring. He
can really put some zip on the football. Uh. He
obviously has athleticism that is highly regarded in the NFL
these days at the quarterback position because of how much
they asked the quarterbacks to do in certain offenses. So
there are things that you're seeing on tape um as

(01:28:05):
he competes, competes against these other quarterbacks in All Star
games and at the Combine that really intrigue you outside
of just what he's done on the field at Liberty alone.
I'll go another step further and say this, The word
out of Indianapolis this year's Combine is coaches and scouts
loved him on the white board. So this guy was

(01:28:26):
described to us by the senior executive director of the
Senior Bowl, Jim Naggy, as a Jim Rat. And what
he meant by that is this guy's all football like
he just he loves every single inch of it. He
wants to know everything. He's a y guy. He understands
it inside out. And when he got on to the
coaches interviews during the combine, he really impressed people. So

(01:28:47):
he's checking a lot of the boxes. We'll see if
it translates at the NFL. But I would just as
soon put a flyer out on a guy like Malik
Willison in sort of an up and down prosper beckt
room quarterback wise out of liberty, as I would on
a Kenny Pickett from Pitt because at this day, at

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this point in football, it really doesn't matter where you
come from. We know that it just matters how well
your game translates to the NFL level. And that's one
thing nobody can predict until he actually gets onto an
NFL field. All right, Well, going into the combine, we
were talking about Pickett, we're talking about Willis, talking about
Matt Correll, Sam how sort of a fringe guy maybe

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first second round, but one guy who apparently really helped
his draft stock as Desmond Ritter, the quarterback at of Cincinnati.
What they said was, first of all, he's a proven leader.
He's been at Cincinnati for a number of years. Uh.
They tremendous back to back seasons the last couple of years,
getting into the playoff as they did. But the thing

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they said about his performance at the Combine was what
they call the testing portion. He dominated the testing portion
of the NFL Combine. He's a natural leader. Um And
and again, when I always talk about the word leader,
the definition of a leader is someone who inspires others

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to follow. I mean, for whatever it is about you,
you have to inspire others to follow. That's how you
are a leader. And apparently Desmond Ritter is that one
team that's being mentioned as a possible destination or Desmond
Ritter and they're selecting eleventh overall in the draft. But

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Washington Commanders and they said, this is the kind of
guy that Ron Rivera would fall in love with overnight.
So watch out there. Desmond Ritter one of those guys
that you know, you look. He had a great career
at Cincinnati, no question about that, guided a group of

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five school all the way into the college football Playoff. Well,
once they got him to Combine, he turned heads. So
keep keep an eye on that name. Desmond Ritter Cincinnati.
I'll give you because I watched a bunch of Cincinnati games, um,
and I watched a lot of Desmond Ritter later in
the season. One of the things that I don't think

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is easily quantifiable, and I'm sure like Pro Football Focus
does this. I'm sure they're outlets who cover this is
when a quarterback. When you look at a quarterback's completion percentage,
it's one thing, But then when you look at how
many how many of those passes are on target but
get dropped, it's another thing. Like Desmond Ritter is a

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very very accurate pass there. I you know, and regardless
of what the traditional statistics may say, like I I really,
I mean this guy can he can put it on
the money. So there, look, I again, football at the
next level, it's very difficult to predict who is going
in to shine at the next level, who's going to

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really struggle at the next level. But there are certain
intangibles that really really matter, and they're very difficult to change.
Not everybody is Josh Allen, where you could take a
completion percentage that was pretty pretty woefully low coming out
of college and work on it and advance in that category.
As much as he had. Most guys really can't. Ritter
is one of those guys who that's that's one of

(01:32:25):
the the higher ceiling guys in that capacity. But if
you want to talk about the the biggest value, I mean,
Malik Willis kind of won the Senior Bowl. If you're
gonna be if we're all gonna be honest with each other,
all the all the reports out of the Senior Bowl
was how impressed teams were with the Liberty quarterback. It
feels like he's on the way to winning the Combine
as well. We'll see if that translate to the NFL.

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We don't know until he gets there. But in terms
of like the quarterback prospects, this happens every year, Steve.
We hear it every year, unless there's this all star
cast coming out of college like there was the Borough
year or the two A year like usually by April
everybody's been worked up into a lather and there's going

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to be a bunch of first rounders anyways. Yeah, yeah,
and again you're always looking for the X factor, right,
we always talk about the mysterious X factor. I remember
Dak Prescott was one of those guys that wiled him
at the combines with what they called the X factor,
Like some of the numbers didn't add up, but when
they saw him out there, he had a certain presence,
and it turned out the Cowboys were paying attention and

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found themselves a franchise quarterback. All right, Uh, Coming up
on the other side, Mike Saschowski stepping down after forty
two years as the duke basketball coach. Are we gonna
see those iconic figures in college basketball in the coaching
ranks or we have a new breed of what we're

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going to expect from college basketball coaches. Coming up next,
Steve Harvard, Rich Harmburger. This is Fox Sports Sunday. The
The biggest difference between college sports and professional sports is
the coaches are the stars, and the players come and

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go and we get these little glimpses of a phenomenal
college football player college basketball player, and and then they
move on to the professional ranks, but the coaches stay behind.
But in college basketball even more so than college football. Yeah,
you got the Nick Sabans of the world. I mean
there you have the superstar college football coaches. But in basketball,

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I mean it's it's next level. I mean, there's no
question rich that the biggest stars in college basketball are
these coaches. You know, I look at the makeup of
these Halls of Fame. I remember in two thousand and seven,
the Basketball Hall of Fame announced its class and there
were seven inductees. One was a referee, one was a team,

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the Texas Western Team, the first all black starting lineup
to win a national championship. They actually put teams in
the other five inductees were coaches, two international coaches, a
w NBA coach, Phil Jackson, and Roy Williams. No players.
Can you can you imagine if there was like a

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pro football Hall of Fame class where it was only coaches,
no players. There was almost as many coaches in the
Basketball Hall of Fame as there are employers. And the
reason I mentioned this is you got Mike Saschowski forty
two years at Duke, and by the way, he also
coached five years at Army before that, forty seven years.

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Jim Beheim is in his forty sixth year at Syracuse.
I mentioned that Jim Beheim was the coach at Syracuse
his first year when Gerald Ford was still the president,
the iconic last forever. We got Thomas though still at
Michigan State. You know, Roy Williams finally stepped down after
all those years in Kansas and North Carolina last year.

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Is this is this going to continue on? Mark few?
I mean he's saying a Gonzaga now since the ninete
Of course it's going to continue on. It's gonna continue on.
Is that good is becoming more? It's becoming easier for
players to jump ship on a situation or in a
program that's not suiting their needs. And and don't get

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me wrong, that's been happening with coaches forever in college
both football and basketball. But um, you know, the there's
been more a do made about the transfer portal than
you know, a coach leaving a team, Uh, you know
mid season or or late season or before the postseason,
whether it be in college football or basketball. Um, for

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for years and years and years now. But that all
kind of besides the point because now the players are
catching up and and coaches still took more abouts than
the players. Anyways, even if you have star players who
play in a program for four years, like you mentioned, Steve,
it's a revolving door. So how do you have consistency
with a college football or basketball program it's about having

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a great coach and a great coach who has a
staff that can help develop players and churn out NBA
talents and stay at the top of the heap in
a sport that is continuing to be an arms race,
even more so with the transfer portal as I mentioned,
So it's it's not going away anytime soon. And you know, frankly,

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just from I don't like halls of fame. I think
they're stupid. I think they are um sort of eliminating
a lot of the history of the game so we
have something to debate and discuss, and so certain people
in the sports world can feel special because they're the
gay teach keepers who determine, you know, who we remember
as the elite of their era. I think it's all

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really stupid and phony um in general. But if you're
gonna make an argument for who's deserving of having a
lot of members into the college basketball Hall of Fame,
I mean the coaches. There's no arguing the impact of
the coach because again they're the ones who are there

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year after year after years, sometimes for ten twenty thirty
forty years in the case of coach k and Beyheim
at their respective programs. Yeah, I know some people get
on me about being hyper critical of coach K. It's
not that I'm hyper critical coach K. He is literally
in the top three in the very last He's not
John Wooden. Okay, is he number two all time? And

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there's only a couple of guys you can mention as
the greatest college basketball coaches of all time. This I
will give him credit for because early on his career
he had one advantage the very few coaches of that era,
and we're talking about the late eighties into the early
ninety nineties, is that his players stayed. You know, at
this point already we were seeing a lot of players,

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you know, maybe not somebody one and done with like
two and Dun's like the Magic Johnson's, the Isaiah Thomas's
guys were leaving school early. None of that happened to
him during the run of nine years in which he
made seven final fours. All his great players, whether it
was Johnny Dawkins or Danny Ferry or Bobby Hurley or
Christian Lighton or Grant Hill, they all stayed four full

(01:39:31):
years at Duke. And then came that era with Elton
Brand and he left early and he was dealing with
this and you could see him fighting it. Meanwhile, Calipari
there was picking up all these one and duns and flourishing.
And finally coach Kay said, you know what, if that's
the way it is, then that's what I'm going to do.
And that's where he's been the last couple of years.

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I and Williamson and some of these other one and
done that passed through Duke. Um So. I give him
credit for understanding there were a different time time. And
by the way, next year with John Shire taken over
as the head coach of Duke. According to Rivals, top
one fifty high school players entering the ranks next year,
number one, number two, number three old Duke um So,

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he is not leaving the cupboard bear, that's for sure.
But it's got to be think about that. It used
to be you recruit a guy and you're gonna have years,
a couple of years to develop him. You know, you
you've got seniors and juniors, you start developing the underclassman
and then you move those guys into the lineup. That's
no longer the case. And I can imagine for a

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guy like Sasowski, whose coaching career goes back to the
nineteen seventies. It's a jolt because you want to be
with these guys. You want to have that input on
their careers, right, you want to develop these young guys,
and that's just not the case anymore. So Well, I'm
sure the challenges monumental. I give him credit for going there,
but it's tough. I mean, look, you're you're giving credit

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to inarguably one of the greatest coaches of all time
for something that you know. I I mean, among all
of his career accomplishments, the fact that he switched his
thought process from trying to find raw talents and developed
them and then turned to getting one and done talents.

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I mean, what's the easier route to being a successful
coach in college basketball. It's undoubtedly using the prestige of
your university to lore one and done talents to your program.
Like that's less impressive to me than all of the
history that you just described. The fact that he was
able to take raw quote unquote uncut gems and polished

(01:41:37):
them into m b A prized prospects and and to
win championships with them and to have success. That's the
harder route, and so that's what I give him more
credit for. Look, where we've arrived in college sports in
general is going to make the job of a coach
less of about coaching and more about recruiting. You know,

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and this is true in both college basketball and college football.
The best recruiters are going to have the best teams. Now,
don't get me wrong, you still have to develop talent.
You still have to have an offensive system that fits
your player profiles, and defensive coaches who are able to
put players into positions to have success. But it is
an arms race, and those with the best ammunition are

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typically going to have the best results. So that's the
reason why the Alabamas continue to get richer, and the
Clemsons in the Ohio States. Uh, you know, the list
goes on in college football, you know, the blue Bloods
and basketball, the Dukes and the Kentucky's and the Gonzaga's.
You know, they've even gone international with their approach. Mark
few brings in international talents who even played professionally overseas

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at different points in their careers. So, look, I mean
to be a coach. Now, if you are going to
be a coach, probably as bigger part of your resume
packet that you put together when you're interviewing for the
with university presidents and decision makers. As as much as
you're going to talk about your scheme, like what zone

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you're gonna be running defensively when you hit the floor
with your team, uh, you also you better have a
pretty healthy part of that resume packet talking about how
many five star recruits you were able to bring into
the programs or how many highly touted recruits you were
able to bring into the programs that you worked prior
uh to making your way to that university. Otherwise they're

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gonna move on to the next. All right, let's find
out what's training right now. We bring back Minster and
David guests. Gun, are you a coach k fan? Duke fan?
You know Dukes one of those polarizing programs, either you're
in or out. I don't really care about coach k
I think, uh, I think it's bigger impact, at least
for me, is when he's a part of the national

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teams when it comes to the Olympics, right, and he
came in and got you know, Kobe back in the mix,
and uh started Rod laying up some gold medals. I
think I don't know. I mean, just speaking at it
as a West Coast guy, just Duke doesn't resonate for me.
I mean North Carolina doesn't, Michigan State doesn't. Certainly Iowa doesn't.
They never have for the nation, the West coast guy

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that they get all that attention. I'll ignore your Iowa no,
I mean, but I mean it goes. It goes the
same way like when you hear this synonymously every year
where Why do people on the West Coast always feel
forced to watch Yankees Red Sox? It's just what it is.
You know, those are two gems of Major League Baseball.
But you know, we get the Lakers and Celtics. We

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get the Lakers. We get the Lakers than anybody, right,
Lakers will be on prime time no matter what the
occasion is. And so I think it just goes to
the markets that playing. But yeah, I mean Dukes of
blue blood North Carolina obviously. Um so, yeah, it's something
that big a deal. But it is good to see
someone there for such a long period of time. But
college athletics is, as Richard just mentioned, draft really changing,

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especially with the name, image and likeness. Um, I mean
for being a USC guy, I still love when U
c l A is a great basketball powerhouse. I think
it's always a I mean with you know, Alabama returning
to glory under Nick saban um usc when Pete Carroll
returned them to glory. I think it's always good for

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on the collegiate level, traditional powers talking about Notre Dame
football all the time, or a Duke North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky,
U c l A and basketball. I think the sports
are better when those elite programs are playing at an
elite level. I mean I think, I mean, hey, it's
in this, but I love when they're playing an elite
level and then they get upset right, Well, it's it's

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a part of the human interests of sport is to
see you know, to see that David and Golias scenarios.
You know what I mean to see you know, if
who knows like you know what I mean, like if
a Cincinnati can knock off a Notre Dame or or
Michigan or an Alabama, is it possible? We love those
stories and so I agree with you both. I I mean,

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I have no problem with highly esteemed programs having success
because it does set up better storylines throughout the course
of the college or professional season. Yeah, I mean they're
not gonna be I mean, they're not on a radar nationally,
but you're gonna here or see the national reaction to
the NBA postseason when Memphis gets in and John rat Will,

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I mean, he just jumps off the radar. But he's
gonna get this kind of attention that Donovan Mitchell got
two years ago in Utah when obviously he was carrying
the Jazz and it's deserved like that dude, he didn't
go to a power power five or a power six
as you'd stay in college basketball. But that guy is
one of the gems throughout the entire NBA and he's

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putting the Grizzlies on the map. So, um, guys, college basketball.
Since we are here, Wisconsin by ten now over Nebraska,
they've outscored him in the second half to twelve. Drake,
which was Lydian majority of the first half. Now trailing
Liles Chicago forty three to thirty eight. S MU now
trailing at home to tu Lane thirty five thirty two.

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Memphis hammered fourteenth ranked Houston to sixty one. Michigan upsets
twenty three ranked Ohio State later on today Maryland, Michigan State,
and then also you get a handful of the teams
that includes on FIS one, Illinois and Iowa. They'll tip
off at seven thirty Eastern NBA Menu. Celtics come from behind.
They dropped the Brooklyn Nets one twenty Jason Tatum in

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that game, guys, fifty four points. Wow, fifty four. That's
a lot. By the way, Lebron's fifty six match Trey
Young for the highest point total in a game this season.
Fifty six. It's good man. Will Chamberlain scored a hundred
in a game one time. Jeez. I mean, like I

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I would love to know the heights and weights of
the the opponent, you know what I mean? Like, were
they all five ft six ft? They were not. They weren't,
But no one was the size of Will Well. Look
at every always people say, well, could Will dominate? Will
would have been even as dominant now because of the
different brand of basketball we we have. I mean, he

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was just a freakish athlete at seven ft one, So
a guy like Will Chamberlain would have dominated any era,
believe me. But yeah, a hundred points in one game
that I think that record will stand the test of time.
It's my guess on that one. Uh, David, thank you
very much. Um. By the way, we were brought to

(01:48:41):
you by one of our favorite cities, Las Vegas, the
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Vegas dot com. I mentioned earlier, Rich Uh, that a
Major League Baseball is proposing a pitch clock. So that's
that's about the time of the game, right They wanted
they want to shorten the games, and they're trying to
come up with some kind of gimmick to try to

(01:49:02):
shorten the length of the games. But I also mentioned
the fact that there are certain dynamics that analytics have
to me put out an inferior product in baseball. And
I'm gonna give MLB a little credit right now because
they have two other proposals that they want to implement
to help as far as the aesthetic of the game.

(01:49:26):
One of them, believe it or not, is to have
larger basis, Like the actual size of the basis at first, second,
and third would increase in size. Now you're saying, well,
what exactly would that do? Well, They actually believe that
it would encourage more base stealing. It would also help

(01:49:50):
prevent injuries. A smaller base when he got a guy
covering the base, Guys stepping on feet and everything else
would be less likely if the BA now we're talking
about giant basis here, we're only talking about a matter
of inches, but they believe that that could actually help
avoid injuries and might actually encourage more base stealing. And

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then on top of that, the other proposal is they
want to ban the shifts. I don't know how you
feel about the overloaded you know, right side or left side,
but they want to maintain that you've got to have
two in fielders on one side of second base and
two infielders on the other side of second base. What
do you think of that. I think that a widening

(01:50:35):
the bases, you know, and I think it's by something like,
you know, four inches. I think they're going from fifteen
inches to eighteen is what they're saying. Yeah, okay, so
three inches, right, which is almost the width of a
base runner's foot. Yeah, you know, so if you think
about a first baseman who's stretching for uh, you know,
a throw from short, it just gives more clearance. So

(01:50:57):
you're gonna avoid some of those injuries that we've seen
the past of And also, if you're decreasing the distance
that a runner has to get to second, you know,
taking a healthy lead from first by six inches in
total because you're decreasing in the amount by the additional
width of both the bases. I'm not a math guy,
but I think that works out. You know, you you

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end up encouraging more base dealings. So I'm I'm a
fan of that. In terms of the shift, I don't
think there's been one singular analytical innovation in the history
of sport from a competition standpoint that has had more
dire effects on the watchability and and and viewership product

(01:51:44):
than the MLB shift. It is one of the worst
things to ever happen to the game. It is one
of the worst things that has ever happened a game.
It is I mean, it is infuriating when you see
a sharply hit ball land in the glove of a
well placed third baseman in right field. I mean, you

(01:52:06):
have a left handed hitter who has just absolutely tattooed
a liner that is going to easily drop in front
of a right fielder and instead of getting you know,
a single at very least, but maybe an extra base
if it gets past the outfielder. Uh, you're you're, You're
going to have the third baseman with an easy catch.

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It is infuriating, you know too. I mean, and this
happens routinely across baseball all season long. So if they
do anything, if they do anything in terms of rule changes,
pitch clock, widening the bases, getting rid of the shift,
getting rid of the shift is is square one stuff.

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It's amazing because the greatest hitter, arguably of all time
was Ted Williams, and it was Lubou Dreaux, Hall of
Fame shortstop also manager of the Cleveland Indians, that introduced
the Boudreau shift, specifically for Ted Williams, who was a
notorious pull hitter. He still finished his career with a
three forty four batting average and one way, of course,
to kill the shift that just hit the ball over

(01:53:11):
the wall, which Ted Williams did as well. But I
never it was like it was so unique. It was
like this, you know, chapter from the black and white
film Days of Baseball. Wow, that was sort of weird looking.
They used to shift against one guy, But then all
of a sudden, wasn't the last five years it's an epidemic.
I am glad Major League Baseball is putting out there.
I don't know how the players react to that. And

(01:53:33):
by the way, these would be rules implemented by the
three season. But I am with you a thousand percent
get rid of the shifts. Two guys in the infield
should be on one side of second base and two
on the other side. All right, we continue on here
covering a lot of things in the world of sports,
and we got our minds on March Madness. We're talking

(01:53:54):
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visiting Indeed dot com, slash credit. But one thing we
all know is there's nothing quite like March Madness. It is.
It is uh. It has an iconic place in American society,
and it's it's interesting to me that, um, you know,

(01:54:36):
but there are still people that that you have a
sixty eight school field and people want to expand it,
and I'm like, no, you don't have to expand it.
That's why we have conference tournaments. I mean, think about it.
No matter what kind of season you've had, rich as
you go into your conference tournament, there's very few conference

(01:54:58):
tournaments that exclude a anybody. I mean, look at Georgetown
right now. I don't know if you've been paying attention
to the Big East. Georgetown is on a nineteen game
losing street. Oh, they've been awful this year. They have
lost every single game in conference play, oh and eighteen.
Patrick Ewing obviously is under siege of a of a

(01:55:18):
very proud program, Georgetown. But even that being said, the
beauty of these conference tournaments is that even if you've
had an insanely bad season, you still have a chance.
You do indeed, and the navigate I mean with um,
nothing like it with Patrick Ewing. Because there's been so

(01:55:41):
much talk about Ewing potentially moving on from Georgetown or
the university wavering in their commitment to Ewing as a
head coach, he released a statement on Twitter two days
ago saying that any announcement about my future will come
from me or Georgetown University. First, and four or most.
I'm not a quitter. My plan is to be back

(01:56:02):
next year coaching at my alma mater and bringing this
program back to prominence. And then Georgetown University released a
statement in support of Patrick Ewing. So there, it's it's
amazing you use them as an example because he could
completely and Georgetown, the players on the court can completely
shift the narrative around this team with success in a

(01:56:26):
conference tournament and a campaign in March. It's it's amazing
how fast you can reverse the fortunes of a season
if you get if you get hot at the right time.
By the way, I have an update, they lost again.
They've lost twenty in a row. Oh in nineteen in
the conference. Oh and by the way, they started the

(01:56:48):
year six and five and have no I six and four.
They were six and four and now there's six and
twenty four. So um. I remember Steve Lavin's last year
at u C l a um and I love Labs
on a personal level, but they had just a horrific season.
I mean, they were like nine and twenty and I'm

(01:57:09):
counting the days to get rid of Lavin, right, and
they get into the conference tournament and they knockoff number
one Arizona. I was like, this guy's unbelievable. He's gonna
five way to save as John. Now they ended up
losing the tournament. He did get fired, but that's I
mean really, now, these conference tournaments are are just as

(01:57:30):
riveting as um you know what, we get to the
n C A Tournament. You know, for years and years
and years, this is going old school. There was only
one conference that had a conference tournament. It was the
a c C. The a CEC tournament began in the
nineteen fifties. No other conference had a conference tournament for years, decades,
and the the amazing thing about this a c C

(01:57:52):
tournament was only the winner of the a c C
Tournament would advance into the n C A Tournament. Those
are the days when no second place teams or third place,
none of that happened. You wanted to get into the
n C A tournam you had to win the a
c C tournament. I was amazed for years of why
don't more conferences do this? It's a better a crapshoot
because it doesn't guarantee that the team that had the

(01:58:14):
best regular season record's gonna make the tournament. But hey,
prove it in a tournament. UH and the really the
a c C tournament. The success of that tournament is
what finally said to the n c A, you know what,
we need to expand our tournament. Well, if we bring
it some more schools are gonna create more excitement. And
now we have the monstrosity we have. Now we have

(01:58:35):
uh in in sport, the only, the only system that
truly mimics what a meritocracy should look like. You know.
I mean, don't get me wrong, there's still arguments over
who's the seventy or excuse me, like who's the sixty
nine team and who's the sixty eight. That's gonna happen
every single year. But I mean, when you think about

(01:58:56):
the vast number of teams that get in and then
allowing it to play out the way that they do
in college basketball, I can't wait because it is it's
the best opportunity to see equitably who's the best, no
question about that. We'd like to see the equal in
college football. Probably won't it anytime soon. Keep it right here.

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Radio Studios. So a week from today, we're gonna have
March Madness underway. That's right, We're gonna have selections Sunday,
next Sunday, get our brackets in hand. It will be
all set for three weeks of absolute bliss with the
n c A Basketball tournament. No slide on the ladies
as well. They're gonna have their tournaments. So we're gonna
have a lot of college hoops coming up over the

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next a few weeks, which is a really good thing.
NFL is always in the news. Combine will come and go.
We're coming up on free agency, so the NFL has
a continuous cycle out there, and we're hinching, never so
close to the NBA playoffs, so we're getting to that point.
I know, even golf fans. Got the Players Championship coming up,
and then we're gonna have the Masters. So there's a

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lot of exciting things happening in the world. A sports.
But right now the one sport holding things up is
Major League Baseball. Rich I want to get back to
some of the basics of flaws in how baseball is
structured to account to where we find ourselves right now
with this impass between Major League Baseball and the Players Association.

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The problem with Major League Baseball is this, you have
people owning teams in charge and here's here's something that
I would think would be a prerequisite. Now, the NFL
is a little bit different because of the equal money
distributed among NFL teams in terms of the network television contracts,

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which by the way, that number always seems to coincide
with the cap. It sort of sets the bar. There's
a certain level there um and then teams, you know,
based on how they draft or conduct business, either win
or lose. But in Major League Baseball it's almost like
if you have certain owners in place, it's an incentive

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to lose because there's no minimum bar and how you
set your payroll. We have three Major League Baseball teams
under thirty million in payroll a year ago. All of
them had losing records. By the way, there's no incentive
to win, so really it's up to ownership now in
San Diego where we reside Monday through Friday with our show.

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They had an owner that jumped in named Peter Seidler,
and he has an interesting background because he's of the
O'Malley family. His mother is Peter roman Alley's sister. And
when the O'Malley family sold off the Dodgers, they actually
tried to reacquire the Dodgers, but they got out bid
and then set them sots site set on the San

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Diego Padres. And Peter Siler comes from the O'Malley family,
where they're used to winning, and he comes to San
Diego and they're just floundering. They're not doing anything. So
he did something that no one saw coming because there
are there's always a perception that there are big market

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teams and small market teams. Big market teams have big money,
small market teams have small money. And he jumped the shark.
He said, no, no, no, we have money and we're
gonna spend it. And last year the San Diego Padres
had the fourth highest payroll in all the Major League Baseball.
It said shock, ways around Basel, what we thought you

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were a small market team. You don't have any money.
Oh no, we have money, but these other team that
just choose not to spend the money. Right. So, when
you have a system that incentivizes owners, they really don't
give a crap about winning or losing. They just want
to make money. You put them in a position to

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do that. Cut payroll to bare minimum, reap all the
benefits of all the revenue coming in, regardless of you
have a winning product or not. That's the biggest change
that has to happen if baseball is gonna move forward somehow.
They got to create not the people that are spending
money at the top. You're focusing on the wrong people.

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You need to focus on those owners that are helping
on just making a buck and not actually putting money
into the organization. You can't have a sustainable system where
a business is allowed to make decisions that are against
the greater good of the overall company, you know, the

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overall organization, and still have success. I mean, if you
think about it, like if you're I don't know McDonald's
or your Burger King, or your Carl's Jr. Or your whatever, right,
your major fast food corporation, and you have franchises scattered
all throughout the United states and there are you have

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a system in place where there's profit sharing that means
that some of these individual franchise ease. Some of these
you know, uh business owners who are under your corporate
umbrella aren't going to work as hard for their customers
as others. You know. And and maybe they'll say, well,
we're a McDonald's in Des Moines, Iowa. What do you expect.

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It's like, WHOA, that's not how this works. That shouldn't
be how this works. Just because you're in Des Moines.
Does that mean people don't want quality service or hamburgers
or chicken, you know, sandwiches. No, I mean either either
a find um a place, a city, a a ownership

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group that's going to work hard for the constituency, for
the people that they're trying to lower into the business,
or or get out of the business altogether. You know.
It's it's it's it's infuriating to your point. And this,
this is it just wouldn't work in and in any
other business or industry, But in Major League Baseball you

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have legitimately for decades, teams who will coast on their laurels,
who will be abysmal baseball teams who will cut payroll
and cut their scouting department, and cut their international counting
scouting department, and will cut their minor leagues so that
they can turn bigger profits because they know that the

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profit sharing is going to keep them afloat, not the winning.
It's a bad business model, and it creates apathy amongst
your interested fans. And and Steve, you know, you're part
of a generation that grew up when baseball is truly
and it's heyday. I'm not and I'm telling you right now,
I'm a baseball fan, but I'm I'm a minority in

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my age demographic, and I'm thirty, I'm thirty years Well,
I'm not thirty, I'm thirty six years old. I'm thirty
six years old. And and it's hard to find other
thirty six year old baseball fans, you know. So if
they don't start getting this really, really right, we're going
to overtime. And it's gonna happen slowly. It's been a

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slow descent, but we're gonna continue seeing a spiral in
the interest in baseball together. There's also problems in the system.
Maybe hear the players talking about reducing the number of
years before you have arbitration. But you know, one of
the other problems of Major League Baseball is how they
hold back players to manipulate service time. And I'll give

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you an example. And I saw this side in an article.
I was thinking the same thing. In the twenty nineteen
baseball draft, the number one pick in the draft, Oh,
we're all, number one pick in the draft was a
catcher out of Oregon State. Oregon State has had some
outstanding teams named Adlete Rushman. The Baltimore Orioles took him
with the number one pick in the draft. This guy

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hit over four hundred his last two years at Oregon
State and in the minor leagues he has continued to
do great. The Orioles are terrible. Adlee Rushman is better
than any player they have on the major league roster.
He hasn't played a major league game yet, not yet.
Why he's twenty four years old, he still hasn't played
a major league game because they're trying to hold him

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back on his service time. I mean, this is this
is insane. This guy was the number one overall pick
in the draft, but they're trying to manipulate that service
time and they're holding him back. Number of The Cubs
did this with Chris Bryant. Other teams did it. San
Diego did not do that with Fernando Fernando Tatis Jr.
They put him into their opening day lineup, even though
they could have held him out for another month or

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so to reduce his service time. But this is another
part to the system that allows teams like the Orioles,
who used to be a proud franchise by the way,
they completely have hit the skids. But this is the
manipulation of a system that is put in place where
if you want to hold back up money. And that's
the thing about a guy like Adlie Rushman, let me

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give you if he becomes the All Star catcher, you're
not gonna be on the hook for another five years
if you have to give him a big paiday, let
me give you a fix. And and again this is
like this is we're talking about, like eliminating the shift
will help the major league game. We're talking about widening
the bases on the base path, that could help the game.
We're talking about, you know, like a pitch clock for pitchers,

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that could help the game. You want to help the
game of baseball, eliminate Major League Baseball's ability to co
own minor league baseball affiliates eliminate the the coordinated attack
on the youth of this game. You know, if you
want to make Major League baseball uh draft day like

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the NFL experience on draft Day where fans are lining
up to see if their fortunes are going to change
with the number one overall pick, like Browns fans have
every year, like Jacksonville Jaguars fans are now where where
for one day and maybe one day only in the
next couple of years. You get to be the toast

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of the town because you get Trevor Lawrence, or you
get Joe Burrow, who, by the way, brought the Cincinnati
Bengals to the the the the last possible stop before
actually winning the trophy. I mean, if you want to
make Major League Baseball's draft they like the NFL's completely
disallow major League Baseball owners to own minor league baseball teams.

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Make it a completely separate league. Make it so that
major league owners and front office people need to make
room on their active rosters for draft picks. And people
will say, well, whoa whoa, whoa whoa whoa, You can't
take a kid out of high school and put him
in may your league Baseball? Why the hell not? If
the rest of the other twenty nine teams have to
do it, why can't I Team X put put the

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first round draft pick out of high school into the
league right now? What is he gonna get hurt? No,
it's it's pictures and hitters. It's the same thing happening
at the high school level as it is at the
college level, as it is at the professional level. Now,
don't get me wrong, the talent at the professional level
is absurd, But are you telling me there isn't one
single ball player out of high school who can come

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into the major leagues today and have and be a
smashing success. I have my doubts. I have my sincere doubts.
I think this is a way for Major League Baseball
to hold players under their thumb for years and years
and years, like you said, Steve, staving off arbitration time.
And it's behind the guys that these players aren't talented

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enough to play at the major league level. It's bologny.
We all, we all have fallen for it for way
too long and needs to change players throughout a proposal. Today,
they've got a collective yawn from the owners. Think about this, right,
when we talk about Vegas odds, and you know, we
do this in every sport, and you're like, how do
they know? Right? I mean, they put out numbers and

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it's like, man, they're they're on top of it. They're
really smart people in Vegas. When Vegas puts out odds
on what month the Major League Baseball season is gonna start,
and April is plus five fifty and May is plus
one seventy five, I mean, think about it. If you're
going plus one five fifty and the and the season

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starts April, you win. Why is there such a dramatic
shift from April to May? What do they know? Well,
they know a lot. It seems to me like all
of this is pure theater. Right now, major League Baseball
has already made up their mind on when they're gonna start.
Players are not gonna be paid for that month. They

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have a shortened season, and they're not worried about it
because you know what they're counting on, folks, You're gonna
show up regardless. I'm not worried about it. And you
mentioned the TV contracts only obligated for a certain number
of games. They've got the every everything figured out here,
so all of this is pure theater. We're gonna have
major League Baseball in two I promise you that, but

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not until May. At the bank at the bank on
that all right, Coming up, Let's get back to the
NFL because the NFL, well, you can never fail with
the NFL scouting combine is concluding right now, and could
there be changes in terms of how we measure the
level of ability to perform at the highest level in

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the NFL? Are we learning anything from all these years
at the combine? Will give us our thoughts. Coming up next,
But Rock o' clock? But Rock What just happened there? Sam?
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on Earth. By the way, I was doing a TV
spot on Sachevski's last game last night, so we looked
it up. When he coached his first game at duke
In after five seasons at the Military Academy, price of
gas was a buck thirty nine a gallon. Nine. Uh.

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The other day I went in to get gas here
in the Los Angeles area. How about five thirty nine
a gallon? Five thirty nine for regular I mean, I
hear these national averages, national averages like three eighty now
like three eight. We haven't seen that in California in

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a long time. Five thirty nine a gallon. That is insanity?
Can I ask you a question? So I'm watching the
combines right as I do every year, and look at
I enjoyed watching big guys run the forty. I like
watching fast guys run the forty. Um some of the

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Agiley drills, yeah, I can. I can see it, you know,
change in direction and see these big guys moving in
different and then some of this makes sense. I'm not
I'm not too sure about how high you can jump
or the standing broad jump, which I know you excel that.
But here's the one thing I've never understood about the
combine because a lot of times you hear this, why
is it that what we are seeing at the combine

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is not translating to the field. And of course, the
first thought that comes to my mind is because they're
not wearing uniforms during the combine. You're not in shorts
on the field. I have never understood because one of
the things I've always marveled at with football players is

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all the equipment you have on. Like if you're a
wide receiver, right, and the balls being thrown at you
and you've got this helmet on your head, it's rattling around,
You've got your pads on everything, everything sort of rattling around,
and yet somehow you maintain your focus, You can maintain
your site, your ability to you know, focus on the

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football and catch the football. Yeah, you got those gloves.
They help. But I've always wanted if you're trying to
evaluate what a guy can do on the football field,
then why wouldn't you conduct the combine with everybody in
full uniform, helmet, pads, everything else to see what they

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actually do when they're in a football uniform. Wouldn't that
be a better gauge of how that would translate to
what they're gonna do on the field. Oh yeah, of course.
I mean even I'm every aspect of the NFL Combine
is just for show, with the very exception of the

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interview process, where coaches and scouts will have whatever it
is fifteen or twenty minutes apiece to line up the
prospects to come into their hotel suite and in the
case of the Philadelphia Eagles, have them shoot some hoops
on a Fisher Price basket or you know, in as
we will hear on the other side of this Combine

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interview process, the ridiculously natured questions sometimes uh volleyed toward
these players. That's really the most significant thing you can
get accomplished at the combine. Other than that, I mean,
what you're doing is you're just watching guys go through
an obstacle course basically, like I mean, if you had

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the combine athletes do American Ninja Warrior uh obstacles as
opposed to running the forty and vertical and broad jump
and you know, the three cone drill, I mean, you
would probably ascertain just about as much it's just look,
the better athletes are going to shine during this. Will

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the better football players shine? No, Because football isn't about
running forty yards in a straight line. Football isn't about
catching football's without your pads on or your helmet on,
or without a defender in your face, or throwing a football,
you know, without taking a snap from under a center
with ten other guys in front of you and a defense. Uh,

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but you know, throwing different things at you. It's look,
it's all useless from an evaluation standpoint. The only thing
the combine is good for is a marketing tool for
the NFL. We're sitting here on a national radio show
talking about football. We're talking about NFL football. We're getting
excited because Jordan Davis ran a four eight at three pounds.

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We're getting excited because an unknown corner named Wolan out
of U. T. S A just ran a four three
one uh and he's six ft four to two five pounds.
Like you know, we're going to pretend like the film
that these scouts have isn't going to supersede all the
things that we saw in Indianapolis this week. Trust me,

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it won't. Every time I watched the Combine. I'm reminded
of a show that a little before your time, but
it was a show that was on ABC for twelve years.
That's a good run for any show, nineteen installments of it.
The show was called Battle of the Network Stars. It

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was a great show. Howard Costell was the host, and
you had these stars from each of the three networks
at the time. Fox was not a power yet, ABC, CBS,
and NBC. So they would have stars of their shows
and they would all gather at Pepperdine University, beautiful backdrop
at Pepperdine and they would engage in these competitions, sports competitions.

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They would have swimming, you know, and you'd see some
of the hot ladies in in swimsuits and everything. This
is what I think of what every time I watched
the combine because I'm like, what does this have to
do with football? What am I looking at here? I mean,
it's entertaining. I'd like to see again a guy like
you know, Jordan Davis, three pounds, six foot six and
a half run that four. But what is there anything

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you would do? And we're up against it because we're
gonna get to gascout of saying but I want to
I want to give any thoughts about if you were
to do a reboot on the NFL combine, having understood
this process, what changes would you make? But first, let's
find out what's trending right now. David gascon his back.
Do you remember Battle of Network Stars at all? No? Yeah,

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I remember Hollywood Squares No No, No. Battle and Network
Stars was really a phenomenal show. Co Sell. Co Sell
hosted it every year and he would have like the
stars of TV shows back when you know, network TV
dominated ABC, CBS, and NBC. It was entertaining and you

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got to see some of the you know, really hot
ladies on TV, and you know, swimming and everything else
was phenomenal. That reminds me I was. I was out
a couple of nights ago par in Los Angeles, and
in the middle of this evening topic of conversation love
his lined, I'm surrounded by all of it. I just

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watched the reunion episode last night, did you I haven't
seen it yet. Don't say anything. That's all I'm gonna
have to say. I would imagine shake the shaker. The
shaker caused some fireworks. You guys wanna do you guys
want a room together some hot chocolate marshmallows. Can can
tell you how this happened Gascon. First of all, I

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would never watch this show in a million years, but
I got pressure from Rich and Fletch, our producer in
San Diego. It was like a homework assignment. That's how
they turned it. You need to watch the show and then,
like anything else, and you know, you get hooked right
and then you once you start, you gotta finish it.

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So now the question is does a woman's voice resonate
with you? Like if if she's got a sweet sound,
does that trump um specific looks and features? Have you
ever heard a female voice like on the radio? There
there's one. I won't mention who it is, but there

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is such a no I mean, I go for it. Well,
I don't ask anything. I know. I can't think of
her name right now, but I said, but I do.
I will tell you. But there is one woman and
she I know who it is. I guarantee I know
it is. Who is Dr Ruth not Dr She did nothing.
She she actually sounded like you know, she writes uh

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no there there Every once in a while I'll her
hear a female voice that I gotta lock in just
because of the voice. Absolutely, the sweet, sweet sound. Um.
Speaking of sweet, how about this today for Jason Tat
I meant fifty four points for the Boston Celtics and
they beat the Brooklyn Nets Sons and Bucks from Milwaukee.

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One Phoenix has the advantage there. There's only two games
as it stands right now, college basketball scene, weren't you, Steve,
weren't you talking about Lila Chicago getting blown out earlier?
Well no, wait, here's here's the story. So again, First
of all, Iowa Sam jumped the gun instead that Lola
Chicago because I was mentioning sister Jean, who's now a

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hundred and two years old. She was excited of the
start of the Missouri Valley Conference tournament. And he jumped
in and said, no, Loyal, Laurie won it. I just
call my shot. And I called my shot and they
in the conference championship game had just started and Drake
was up thirteen to three, and I'm like, great call,

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uh and Loyal, how how did it turn out? There?
They beat Drake there? Now in that's good, sister Jean,
you made the tournament. How about it. She'll be back
on the sidelines. Should be showcased for at least yeah
one round. Uh so, yeah, sixty four sixty. It was
the final score there. Maryland and Michigan. Michigan about to

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get things in Michigan State, that is, Michigan did win
earlier today they beat Ohio State also Iowa. Tonight in
Illinois the games on FS one. It will start in
about three hours from now. Does he day? Does he day?
Even though we're still waiting on a few things were
wenting from Major League Baseball. Yeah, well I'm waiting again.

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I May May first. I'm gonna bet the bank on
May May. May May. There's not gonna be any Major
League baseball in the month of April. Well you do
remember though, at the at the beginning of the pandemic
or not during the beginning, but like midway through, we'd
see overnight baseball games in Korea, we get the bat flips.
I did not watch that crap? Why not that crap?

(02:24:38):
Your tongue, sir? With you society, I'm an elitist. I'm sorry.
Where did shoo Tony come from? Yeah? Yeah, okay, one
one guy? Yeah what about him again? Major League Baseball?

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Ciod Yeah, I watch six days when it has sports
for like nine months. Look, and I've already exposed myself
to love is blind. I don't need any more torture.
And there we go. You're tasting sports, all right. I
want to do a reboot on the NFL Combine. Let's
let's scrap it's start all over again, all right, because

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it does get a little repetitive. You know, we complain
about like the NBA All Star Weekend, same old tired
dunk contest, skills competition. I need something more. Now. They're
trying to sell this idea that more and more people
will go out and spend big money to actually eyewitness.
So imagine if the combine were to come to Sofi Stadium,

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which is not hard to believe. I'm sure they'll try
to go after it, and they're asking me to pay
big money to be there for seven hours on a
Thursday or six hours. I mean, come on, is there anything?
Are there any new spins you could come up with,
rich that might make it different, little more entertaining and
actually have some value for those talent evaluators. Yeah, I mean,

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in general, I think that the NFL Combine, if you
had more of an effort to make to simulate football, Uh,
it could be a more useful grading. How about the
Oklahoma drill. How about have you brought the Oklahoma drill

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to the NFL combine? How would that work that? That
would not work Oklahoma drill where you have two guys.
Uh well, I mean there's so many variations, but basically
having a live running back, linebacker tackling drill with a
people around that doesn't sound like the right Like I'm

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watching right now. I just I mean, I just typed
in Oklahoma drill and I'm like, I'm watching one from
the University of Oklahoma, ironically, and I'm like, yeah, that's
what I want to see. Let me give you one. Um.
You know, if you had even if even if there
was like a little bit of an agreement that you
weren't going to try to have you were going to
try to have as little contact as possible. But I mean,

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basically had seven on seven's where you could see cornerbacks
actually working against wide receivers or safeties and linebackers covering
running backs and tight ends, and I mean you could
have a little bit of work done that is, you know, potentially,
I mean you're talking about some of the best of
the best players on the planet coming together for a week,

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you know, I mean you could you could find a way.
I mean, if you don't know what a Cover two
shell is supposed to look like, or you know, you know,
uh Cover one shell is supposed to look like as
a defender, you probably don't belong at the NFL Combine,
and you know, with very preliminary route concepts, you could
you could find out a little bit more about these

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guys and not have to put on pads or equipment
and increase the physicality of it. I mean, I don't know,
those are those are some ideas in general, though, I
I think if you replace the combine with with just
extending the all Star game circuit, you know what I mean. Like,
I like the fact that the Senior Bowl has been

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sort of the consummate um postseason all star game, the
Shrine Bowl. Uh, the NFL p A has you know expanded,
it's um, the the the NFL p A Game, I
forget what they call it, but that's another all star
game that's sort of taken over for you know, the
past iterations of the third Place Bowl, like whatever was

(02:28:40):
the Texas First the Nation Game or whatever? Um even
HBCU uh Historically, Black colleges and universities have their own
All Star game. I think that is a more useful
rubric or or criteria to judge players than anything done
at the Combine in its current form. Hiring Heating of

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I guess my frustration has always the idea that if
you are paid to evaluate talent, to find the so

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called diamond and the rough, to recognize someone's aptitude to
actually played the game of football, all of this is
providing crutches for you to make mistakes. It's easy to say, well,
I mean I always go back to John ross Right.
John Rossen ran still the fastest forty ever at the Combine.

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Four point two two catapulted him all the way to
the number nine overall pick by the Cincinnati Bengals. If
you didn't see him in the Super Bowl, that's because
he doesn't play for the Bengals anymore. He's caught a
total of I believe fifty six passes in five seasons
and those that went back will say, well, a guy

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ran four to do okay, But that's that's not exactly
what you're paid to do. What you're paid to do
is evaluate whether the guy has the ability, has the
aptitude to perform at a high level in the NFL.
Injuries are you can't you can't account for an injury, right.
Injuries can happen, But we're talking about does he have

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what it takes, not just physically but mentally. Does he
have the makeup to play in the National Football League.
This is where the great talent evaluators separate themselves in
the path anybody else. I can stand there with a
stop watch. I can see that. I can you know.
That's that's not what we're talking about. It's not about it.
It's about can you play the game of football? Do

(02:30:54):
you have the instincts to play the game of football?
And there's been a lot of great college players that
were downgrade it did end up. I always go back
to Luke Kickley. You know, he was downgraded somewhat right
coming into the draft because he didn't hit all the measurements.
That guy was a tacking machine in college, and then
he was a tackling machine in the NFL. Yeah, he
was one of he was an All pro. Hominate Thomas

(02:31:15):
was another guy like that, drilled dropped all the way
to the fourth round when he was a two timing
NAD Mike Single. Terry at Baylor was a tackle machine
five ft eleven. He can't play in the NFL Hall
of Fame. So, I mean even even guys who are
like like, for example, Jarvis Landry, I mean not considered
like I don't know that the greatest receiver of his

(02:31:36):
era in his recruiting class, or it should say recruiting class,
in his draft class. No other receiver has had more
receptions over the course of the care their career than
Jarvis Lantry. And and he had a terrible combine. And
I remember when when Juice Landry was being considered, um,

(02:31:56):
he like like he fell down draft boards and you know,
I mean it's just one of those things where it's
like it's just such a poor I mean, you know what, honestly,
have these guys come out and and juggle or show
us their secret talent? Can any of these guys sing
like you know? I mean, if we're just gonna do
something that's basically a talent contest anyways, that has nothing

(02:32:20):
to do with whether or not they're gonna be great
or average or poor or superb NFL players. Can't we
do something interesting I just mentioned, you know, doing the
American Ninja Warrior, uh obstacle courses. Let's do that instead,
I'm not kidding, you know, find a way to not
get these guys injured, and if it's going to be

(02:32:42):
used as a marketing tool anyways, for the for the NFL,
and really the only um, the only real ability to
to uh to to delineate whether or not these guys
have the goods is in the interview rooms. You could
you could have them. You could still go through the
medical and the interview process. You just change what happens

(02:33:04):
on the field. Let's see if any of these guys
can play the violin. I mean, I'm not kidding. Making
a talent contest. It would be more useful for everybody
than what we're watching, because I get it. When you
see somebody at three forty pounds like Jordan Davis run
a three run three point eight forty yard dash, it
is astounding. But for the most part, the combine is

(02:33:27):
somewhat boring outside of the viral moment. So let's be honest.
I I I'm sorry. I watched highlights, you know, Like
I said that Jordan Davis thing was a highlight. But
outside of that, no, I can't. I can't see it.
Right on the other side, where are we going to
be a week from now? We're gonna look into our
crystal ball. What changes in the sports world are gonna

(02:33:47):
happen over the next week. We're gonna tell you coming
up next, But rock but rock, but Rock o' clock?
A little obsessed, aren't we? Iowa, Sam, No but obsessed?
Fox for its Sunday Harbin and Oremburger. Who is this chevel?

(02:34:15):
Three days Grace? Oh yeah, yeah, I was gonna be
Jimmy Jimmy eats World. We don't put Jimmy. Anybody will
not be appearing in the butt rock Hour. Okay, that's fair.
Is there anything you would not play? Sam? Like? It's
like a lot of stuff. I mean, butt rock has
a sound to it, it's a it's a genre. Yeah,

(02:34:36):
I understand that there are a couple of songs that
are like break Glass. If needed butt rock songs, maybe
they'll come out, Maybe they won't controversial. Yeah, this is
definitely well within the wheelhouse. Yeah, well I know that
with a variety of people I've worked with over the
years here, and that's just about everybody in the building
and those are no longer in the building. Um, since

(02:34:59):
I have no musical taste of yes, you do well.
I I like night Rider, good Point, night Riders, great,
night Ranger, Night Ranger. Night Rider is a TV with
the talking car, look at Range, really solid things. It's
just a microcosm of me today. That's that's I mean,
completely out of left at Night Ranger, Night Range, night

(02:35:22):
Right Writer was the David Hasshoff Show. That is cool,
talking Car. I guess that's why you're not playing any
night Write or night Ranger, because you don't even know
who it is. I'll play a night Ranger at another juncture. Um, well,
we want to thank to Crue today. Iowa Sam. By
the way, are you watching your Iowa women and now
in the Big Ten championship game. Yeah, they have the
lead at halftime. They could win both the regular season

(02:35:43):
title and the conference tournament hockey. Pretty cool, guys, absolutely,
Uh divid gascon has no interest in Iowa sports. Not
no interest in the state of iOS. Teams to talk
about him a lot, though, if they live rent free
in your head day, No, I don't think so. Shock's
birthda today. Happy to the big Diesel. It's a big
five over shot. Wow, Wow, Shack Diesel. Story of my life, buddy.

(02:36:08):
By the way, did you know that Kawai Leonard and
Shack have the same size hands? I believe that. Yeah,
they call him, but you know what, it's bigger hands
than both of them. So they collect and they clock
in it over eleven inches in their hands. I'm gonna
say Megatron, I'm gonna say Robbins. So well, he's a
big man. No, Janice, Janice's hands, uh, twelve inch spread

(02:36:34):
on the hands, twelve inches go. I don't care what
the story is. That's a wall clock. Yeah, I mean
talking about palming a basketball. I mean with him. I
mean Dr J had huge hands. Uh. One of the
legends way back in the day, Connie Hawkins. Guys that
really can take it. You know, when you when you
can control the ball like that, like the claw Kawhi Leonard,

(02:36:57):
how much of it. It's a huge advantage. Now. The
problem for Shack, of course, with shooting free throws. That
was always his excuse is that his hands are too
big to shoot free throws. You know, you're trying to
sort of cradle the ball in those big hand. I'm
not gonna forget Ryan. Oh no, first singer, m M
very hung over to there. Yeah, yeah, he doesn't look good.

(02:37:18):
A long, long night last night, Little Green. I mean,
expectations are coming. You know, Gavin got married, and you
know Iowa Sam suddenly has thoughts of that someday, and
I call this one's knocking on the door. That's not bad,
that's very very good. Ryan is with child. Um. As

(02:37:41):
far as we're we're gonna be a week from now,
of course, we're gonna have a much clearer picture. We're
gonna be counting down literally the seconds. Our show conclude
one hour before the selection of the field of sixty eight.
So you know, this is the thing about these conference tournaments, rich,
is the fact that you have game game, a game,
you know, one to three consecutive nights. We all go

(02:38:03):
back to the amazing run the Yukon had inn where
they had in the Big East. They had five games
and five nights, five consecutive nights they played, winning the
conference tournament and then somehow having enough gas left to
win the n c A Championship. It can happen, Man,
it can happen. I love this sport for that reason.

(02:38:24):
College basketball. It Uh, every single March, there's an unlikely
storyline that captivates the sports world. Cannot wait to hear
what it is this time. Yeah, and we're gonna we're gonna,
we're gonna have that. We We're definitely gonna find out
this week. Maybe uh yeah, yeah. Um Wisconsin lost today?

(02:38:48):
Does that have any bearing on the Big Ten tournament? Iowa, Sam,
is he listening to me? He's not even listening to
I think they share the title if we if Illinois wins, alright, alright,
so we're gonna get a lot of movement there. Uh.
Do not expect any news from the world to baseball. No,
that's gonna come. Keep it right here. Much more coming
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