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are you on this beautiful Sunday.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm good, I'm good. You know this is an exciting
time of the year. We've got some baseball just starting
to not matter. Yes, yeah, Look, the baseball season's too
long to really care about any individual gamer.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Okay, I'm glad you mentioned baseball. And by the way,
John Paul Morosi are Fox Sports Radio. MLB Insider is
gonna be joining us coming up in our next segment,
So we're gonna get to baseball early on. But let's
face it, Richard, right there in the midst of it,
the most talked about rivalry currently in major League Baseball,
the Dodgers and the Padres split a couple of games.

(01:16):
They have the rubber Game today coming up. But all
that controversy about that meme of a crying Clayton Kershaw,
it's gotta be some buzz down there in San Diego, Yeah,
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I mean, look, there's the first of all, Peco Park
is like stuffed to the rafters for this series for
two reasons. One because obviously there's a lot more interest
in Padres baseball in San Diego than there's ever been.
And two, early in the season there will be Padres
season ticket holders who will sell their tickets to Dodgers

(01:49):
fans and they will show up and drove. So there's
a little bit of both happening right now.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So what is the ratio of Padre's Dodgers fans Because
in the past, for years Rich you and I, when
the pod he sucked, it was like ninety percent Dodgers
fans who would make a you know, a nice rundown
of San Diego taking all the fun of San Diego.
What's the ratio now in terms of the fans of
these games and Peco.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Reports I've heard is the Lower Bowl there was a
good amount of blue, but it is probably seventy thirty
Padres to Dodgers fans, which it feels like, it feels
like there should be more Padres fans. But again, it's
a long season and for the first time in a
long time, they've been able to raise season ticket holder
prices and single game ticket prices because there's a great

(02:37):
product on the field. The Padres has been an intense
amount of money on this roster and so with that,
you're going to get a little bit of the opposing
fans making a foothold in your place. But I remember
during the NLDS between the Dodgers and Padres, it was
it was rightfully so it was a complete Padres takeover

(03:02):
in their own ballpark, which sounds ridiculous. I know how
that sounds. But it used to be when the Dodgers
came to town, Padres fans couldn't get tickets, right this
this has all changed, so yeah, like, look, I want
to get excited for this one series. It is a
great rivalry in baseball. Now you have teams who absolutely

(03:23):
do not like each other, you have ownership who's competing
against each other. You have front offices, you know, with
the arms race of signing high paid talent competing against
each other in then Al West. But in the grand
scheme of one hundred and sixty two games, even if
you get swept either way Dodgers get swept, Padres get swept.
Is it going to have a staggering effect on your

(03:45):
overall record?

Speaker 3 (03:46):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Well, and as we found out last year, it has
no bearing on the only thing that matters, and that's
how far you get in the postseason.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
The Dodgers finished twenty two.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
Games ahead of the Podres, and the Pottery's beat him
convincingly by the way in that division series. So yeah,
the only thing it really matters is you want to
get to the big dance, a chance to play for
a championship. Dodgers have been there, done that, and the
Padres have not. And so you know, it's funny the
Dodgers treat the Padres similar to the Lakers treat the Clippers. Yes,

(04:17):
you know where Okay, Yeah, the Clippers have beaten the
Lakers thirty six of the last forty three games they
played head to head, including eleven in a row. How
many banners do you have, Oh, that's why you have none.
We have seventeen. You know, same thing with the Dodgers
and Padres. Padre is like, hey man, we're you know,
we beat out in the playoffs. You win this first game,
Tatiz takes Kershaw deep crying meme and everything else. And

(04:41):
Dodgers are like, you know what, call us when you've
actually won something, because you have nothing. Beating us in
one playoff series doesn't designate, you know. And I get
it because I told you this before, which when I
moved to San Diego as an LA guy thirty years ago,
I never thought anything of San Diego sports. I mean,

(05:02):
and San Diego sports was as relevant to me as
Buffalo sports.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
But when I got to San Diego.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Like, wow, these people like really hate LA. I mean
it's not reciprocated. No one in LA hates San Diego.
Everyone loves San Diego. Great place to have a weekend getaway,
go to the zoo, do whatever. Right, But when I
got down there, I realized, Wow, they really want to
make this a rivalry. So I saw, you know, my
buddy J Posner, who was a longtime sports there of

(05:28):
the Union Tribune, really ripped the Podrays like this was
Bush League with that whole meme of a crying Clayton Kershaw.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Why you poking the bear? I get it. I think
they want to have a rivalry.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh yeah, they have really hard for they're trying to
generate it while and you know, because we've talked to
our buddy, David Vasse does Dodger talk, Ellie still dismisses,
even beyond what happened in the playoffs last year, our
rivals the Giants, Yeah, our rivals, not the Podras. Have
as much as the bodies want a rivalry with the Dodgers.

(06:04):
The Dodgers are still doing their best, whether they can
or not. To dismiss any idea that there's a rivalry
between these two franchises.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I believe, and I mean I've been on teams where
you you will have more than one rival I think.
I think sometimes those rivalries are long and deep seated
and obviously have history, and I think some of them
are newer. And you know, when when you're when you're
playing when you're playing in a geographically close rivalry sometimes

(06:38):
or or when you're playing in a rivalry where you
know you're going to see a team twice a year
like in the in the NFL, for example, an Indivision
rival who all of a sudden, out of nowhere starts
starts heating up like that. Those those are those can
become important rivalries too. Like you know, let's put it
this way. I know the Bears and the Green Bays

(07:00):
are rivals. Everybody knows that rivalry. But there is a
potential that the Detroit Lions are on a trajectory to
get better and better and better. And Dan Campbell had
a pretty good season last year. If they can fix
that defense and get this thing going, and say, Jordan
Love is the next Hall of Fame quarterback in line.

(07:21):
You know, we saw Brett fav we saw Iron Rodgers.
He was a late round first rounder. You know, maybe
Jordan Love turns into that, and maybe the Green Bay
Packers are on their way to their next franchise quarterback
and long winning tradition with Jordan Love. Well, if the
Chicago Bears go in the wrong direction, like if they
can't get it right at quarterback, you know, if they

(07:43):
can't really become what they're hoping to become with Justin
Fields and Detroit and Green Bay are good at the
same time. Well, even though Chicago green Bay will always
be historically the rivalry that we look at. I mean,
it doesn't mean that you can't become rivals with the
hot teams, you know what I'm saying. So Detroit and

(08:03):
green Bay will become the marquee competition, like out of nowhere.
When Peyton Manning was with the Indianapolis Colts, I was
playing for the Patriots. The Colts were one of the
Patriots rivals.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Right well, look at right now between the Bengals and
the Chiefs. All of a sudden, that's a rivalry. I
go back twenty years ago and suddenly the Sacramento Kings
and the Lakers became fierce rivals. Like there was a
lot of animosity college football late eighties, early nineties, Miami
and Notre Dame. Yeah, the you and Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
The Catholics versus the Convent.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
I mean, it became a rivalry.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
And like you say, even if one of the schools
or teams dismisses the rivalry, it really comes down to eyeballs.
And people around the country now want to see the
Podres and the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
All right.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
I want to break a little early so we can
get to John Palm Morosig. I really want to get
into this Fernando Tatist, junior revival h and whether or
not a young player with a world of talent and
he showed it off with those two bombs against Clayton
Kershaw the other day. Can ever regain his stature not
just as a great baseball player out of San Diego,

(09:14):
but the face of Major League Baseball and what his
style of play brings to the game. John Paul Morosi,
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followed by the Nuggets and Suns.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Here's something interesting. The four teams that are currently leading
their series two games to one. Lakers and the Heat
took two one series leads yesterday, and then we had
the Celtics and the Nuggets. These were the final four
teams in the Bubble a couple of years ago.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Oh yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
These were the four teams that got to the final
four in the Bubble. Eventually, of course, the Lakers beat
the Heat in the NBA five and now these four
teams have two won series leads, and wow, that was
quite a game for the Lakers yesterday. I yesterday, book
Bucky Brooks and I were talking about and we were
in a chord that whoever won Game three of this

(11:15):
series eventually was going to win the series. And I
think it's something like seventy five percent of teams winning
a Game three in a series that's tied one one
go on to actually win the series. The Lakers didn't
just win, man, they just annihilated the Warriors last night.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
I just wish that Anthony Davis looked. And again, I'm
trying to search for the words that aren't insulting to
a player of his greatness, because I don't want to
make the presumption that there are games that he doesn't
care about or he's not not fully checked in. But
game two versus Game one and three, for Anthony Davis.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It's call it for what it is.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
It just doesn't It just doesn't seem like he's there.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Well, he's not injured, right, obviously he's healthy is if
he's healthy enough.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
But this has been a pattern to rob the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
He has a great game followed by not just an
ordinary game, like a bad game, right, right, he goes
from one extreme to the other on a consistent alternating.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
He was brilliant. He was brilliant, I mean defensively. Also,
it wasn't just what he was doing.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Four blocks early in that game.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
Yeah, he can score. He can score. Everybody knows he
can score, and seeing a big man score, it's important
for their offense when he's on, the Lakers are on.
But it's but like you said, four blocks early in
the game, the guy is a problem. If he makes
his presence known on the defensive side of the court
early enough in a game, it forces adjustments. In Game two,

(12:52):
it was like he was invisible. I just don't understand it.
But hopefully for the lakers sake, I mean, they get
that type of game out of Anthony Davis in Game four,
and then it's going to feel like, you know, we're
on our way to a gentleman's sweep and the Warriors,
who showed out and looked, you know, potentially unbeatable in

(13:13):
in game two, may end up being a relatively you know,
easy path for the Lakers in the Western Conference semifinals.

Speaker 2 (13:22):
Here all right, Well, we'll get back to the NBA
playoffs a little bit later on.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
But joining us right now.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
As he so graciously does every single Sunday here on
Fox Sports Radio, our MLB Insider, and of course, not
only would the MLB Network but also the NHL Network
as well, the great John Paul Morosi and Jpi. Here
people are coughing in the background. You probably have kids
around you. This is what happens, right.

Speaker 6 (13:47):
Sure, yes, that does happen every every now and then, gentleman.
We're doing well the kids. The kids are slowly getting
back to health, so I appreciate the concern. By the way,
speak of health, I think I'll be watching carefully today
to see if the New Jersey Devils can get back
into their series against the Hurricanes with not one but

(14:10):
two Hugheses in their lineup. Luke Hughes at nineteen years
of age and making his NHL Stanley Cup playoff debut
here today, joining his brother Jack.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
All right, well, Rich, I'm going to ask him my
obligatory NHL question before we get to all the MLB news. So,
in retrospect, what the hell happened to the Bruins? The
defending Stanley Cup champions went down to the Kraken. How
did that happen?

Speaker 6 (14:37):
Well, I think in both cases, it's further affirmation that
this is the greatest of all the playoffs that we
have in North American pro sports. It is so unpredictable.
I think the Avalanche with the situation with Nachuskin not
being in the lineup obviously for some off the ice reasons.
I think that was a bit of a distraction for them.

(14:57):
Philip Grubauer came in for the kracking against his former team,
had the series of his life. So I think that
on Seattle side of things, they were able to get
some very superior performances from their guys and I think
really become greater than the sum of their parts of
the Seattle side, whereas Colorado just never clicked and Seattle
got the better goal to I think with Boston, my goodness,

(15:20):
I credit Florida Matthew could chuck and that really rugged,
hard edged play that Florida has as a group trocheck
certainly with the big goal at the end. I just
think that they outplayed the Bruins over those last three games,
and Boston just ran out of gas. Sometimes you see
teams that have a brilliant regular season win the President's

(15:42):
Trophy by a wide margin. It just never seemed as
though the Bruins were at their very best during that series,
and I think it just further affirms how unpredictable this
great Stanley Cup playoffs can often be.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know, we started the show this morning JP talking
about rivalries in baseball and focusing on this Andre's Dodgers rivalry,
which really feels like at first it felt like a
rivalry that people on maybe only the West Coast were
paying attention to. But slowly and surely, as more and
more of the stars are being paid for by the
Padres and Dodgers, you've got more interest in this rivalry,

(16:17):
and it really is it's starting to feel like a
glimpse into everything that's possible for baseball. You got young
stars show voting, You've got you know, teams throwing up
rival players on jumbo trons with crying memes. You saw
that the Padres trying to patrol Clayton Kershaw. That went

(16:39):
viral on social media. So so what do we make
of it? Is this is some of this stuff childish?
Or is this all good for the game, to make
this an important rivalry for the for the league.

Speaker 6 (16:51):
I love it. I love it, and certainly I am
in the ladder camp. But when you've got Tatis hitting
two home runs off the future Hall of Famer and
Clayton Kershaw, and obviously the San Diego fans loving every minute,
it is to me great for the game. And it's
amazing how rich Obviously I'm based in the Eastern time zone,

(17:12):
but in my conversations people I know baseball fans, I
know it's hey, I'm staying up late to watch the
Padres and Dodgers in the early days of May. This
is not something that you would have heard in the
Eastern time zone years ago. This is something that I think,
and you've got to give full credit to the Podres

(17:33):
ownership and the spending that Peter Sidler has done, the
imagination of a j Preler. This is something that I
think to your point, the Podreys are showing what is possible.
It takes two sides of a rivalry to truly be
a rivalry. If you just have one titan like the
Dodgers and they're the big dogs on the block and

(17:55):
there's never a questioning of their hegemony over the vision,
it doesn't make for a great story. You have to
have that counterballance. I think the Padres what they were
able to do in the playoffs last year got national
attention and deservedly so. So for me, I love that.
I love what happened in terms of just the back

(18:16):
and forth in last October and now into this season
as well. You've got one game on each side so
far in this weekend series. A big rubber match coming
up later on today. Great for the game. And I
do think Tatis could be a polarizing figure because of
the suspension. I understand that, but man, he is great
for conversation around the sport, whether he's dancing at Wrigley

(18:37):
or hitting a couple home runs against the Dodgers.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
All right, let's take it a step further.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Let's project twenty five years from now, and his name's
on the Hall of Fame ballot and he's put up
a career similar to let's say.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
A Rod with those kind of numbers.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Is he expelled from any chance of making the Hall
of Fame because of an infraction extremely early in his career,
assuming that he ever gets busted again for ped Well, it's.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
A fair question. I can only speak to my own standards,
and my own standards are that I have not voted
for anybody who has been suspended under MLB's drug treatment plan.
That's that's how I've handled it. So I have not
voted for a Rod, I have not voted for many.
I have not supported Palmero. I don't plan to vote

(19:23):
for Cano or Ryan Brown and I think therefore, I
would assume the same will apply to Tatis years from now.
I certainly can't pretend to know everything about how I'm
going to view the sport or infractions such as this
into the future, but I do right now plan on

(19:43):
that being my standard.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
If you are.

Speaker 6 (19:46):
Suspended, I do not support you for the Hall of Fame. However,
I want to make a very clear distinction here. That's
the ultimate honor for a players, the Hall of Fame.
The individual year honors are quite different. And if Tatis,
for example, were to win the Triple Crown this year
and power the Padres to a division title and have

(20:07):
one of the best offensive seasons in the history of
the game and the history of the Padres, I would
have zero issue with voting for him for the MVP
this year. I make a very clear distinction between the
Hall of Fame being a full career rendering of what
a player or a manager or an executive or an
umpire is done, versus the best performance in a particular year.

(20:31):
He is a member of Major League Baseball and good
standing right now, he is eligible to play right now,
He's playing great right now. So I have no issue
with a per year on a season basis. There have
been players that have won significant honors in this game.
The Clemente Award, for example, Nelson Cruz was suspended, did
not stop him from winning a Clemente Award or being

(20:52):
an All Star, nor should it have. It's a very
separate thing per year basis versus full career basis. I
do draw the station between those two things.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
JP Morosi joining us on Fox Sports Radio this morning. Jp,
we're creeping up on forty games played by most of
these clubs across Major League Baseball. I'll widen this to
the entirety of the league. Is there a team or
teams as we're starting to see some of these power
rankings come out that are sneaking higher on the board
than we expected them to, especially during the spring, taking

(21:24):
in some of you know, their exhibitions, is there a
team that's starting to stick out and say, hey, you
know what, maybe in their division they can make some
noise and become a playoff contender. Is it just still
too early for you.

Speaker 6 (21:36):
No, Norwich. I think there are certainly a couple of
teams that fit that description. And I'll start out west
in the American League West with the Texas Rangers. I
had expected that either Houston or Seattle would be would
be the winner of the of the American League West
this season. But Texas with their revamped rotation, with Garcia
being one of the top offensive players in the sport

(21:57):
right now, low as well now at Marcus Semon getting
more and more comfortable there, even without Corey Seeger for
a period of time given his absence due to injuries.
So right now, I am very bullish on the Texas Rangers.
I've been a little disappointed at how Seattle's played so
far this season, and I do think on the positive side,

(22:17):
Texas has a clearer path and they've had for a
long time to get to the postseason, especially when you
consider the issues that Houston now has with their rotation
in Luis Garcia missing the balance of the year, with
Tommy John surgery, host State Lutuketi being on the injured list,
joining Lance McCullers junior there as well, and of course
Justin Berlin are no longer being part of the Houston rotation.

(22:39):
I would also say in the American League East, the
Baltimore Orioles keep winning baseball games. Now I realize a
lot of the attention has gone to the Rays, and
it should, but Baltimore has been the second most impressive
team in the American League, and specially at a time
when we all have to ask ourselves what is going
on with the last place New York Yankees. Of course,

(23:01):
Aaron Judge has been out for a period of time.
Carlos Rodona has yet to appear for the Yankees this season.
A lot of talk about Rodin having what is now
described as a chronic back issue. Guys, there was a
lot of wondering going on at the moment about where
the Yankees are heading, and I think that there's definitely
going to be a pass to the playoffs for a
team like the Multimore Orioles.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
All Right, I want to ask you about the passing
of a legend, Vita Blue. I'm the only one amongst
the three of us that can actually remember when Vita
Blue exploded on the scene. I remember all the numbers
at the All Star breaks, seventeen and three one two
era you talk about Fernando Mania, it was Vita Blue Mania,
ten years before Fernando Mania.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
He went over two hundred games in his career.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
When you look at his numbers, it's you know, it's
hard to compare today's numbers and numbers in those days
because they actually completed games. He had eight shots in
his Cy Young MVP season. But what kind of legacy
for someone like you, JP does Vita Blue leave.

Speaker 6 (24:03):
Well, I think, Steve, he's a name that all of
us in baseball should remember, should celebrate. You talk about
that MVP and Cy Young season back in seventy one.
I'm gonna give you one number from that year that
will probably never be matched. That is twenty four complete.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, exactly one t four complete games.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
So Vita Blue I remember I watched and certainly as
I studied the game as a kid, I loved watching
those retrospectives that you would you would watch about about
the ages of the nineteen seventies, especially in the early seventies,
and to see just what a unique group of characters
they had and just their strong personalities and it's a

(24:46):
style with which they played. They were the team that
no one ever wanted to go up against. And I
remember hearing obviously about the Alcs between Detroit and Oakland
and that era and how competitive that was. But Vita
Blue back in No. Nineteen seventy one, my goodness, MVP
cy Young. He's someone that I really think to your point,

(25:08):
we have to remember and reflect on as we look
at the numbers of the current era and ask ourselves
who among the current players of the current pitchers are
going to be Hall of Famers. I happen to believe
that C. C. Sabathia Adam Wainwright deserve Hall of Fame
votes and deserve to be in the Hall of Fame.
And I think if we look at that and say,
wait a minute, if they're in, what does that mean

(25:30):
for a second review of the career of Vita Blue?
And I really hope that as the Veterans Committee continues
to consider candidates in the past, that Vita Blue and
all that he meant to that as franchise on and
off the field, gets a second and thorough consideration by
the Veterans Committee.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I agree to under nine wins, three twenty seven career ERRA,
six time All Stars, started, three All Star Games. Pretty
good resume for the late great of Vida Blue. Speaking
of great, he is the best of the best, the
great John Paul Morosi JP has always appreciate your time,
will check in with you next week.

Speaker 6 (26:04):
Sounds great. Gentlemen enjoyed this special time of year in
so many sports. And as always, guys, I really appreciate
the conversation on a Sunday's a great way for me
to start the week. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Perfect there he is the best of the best, John
Paul Morosi our Fox Sports Radio NFL inside of you.
Just the name, right, Rich Vita Blue. Yeah, I mean
it was just a great name. And I am telling
you as a junior high schooler back in the day
when this guy came on the scene, Wow, I mean
he was unba believable. All right, let's find out what

(26:34):
is trending right now? And h and obviously disappointed Moncey
Belanos is with us because Moncey still waiting for her
flamed egg plant.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
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I right.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
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I just wanted to broadcast remotely. That's all. Nowhere you
want to tell all these nights.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
You meat, You're lucky that I do believe in the traffic.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
I know what.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
That's way I think to be fair.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
And again, when you've seen the video, obviously mine seeing
when Rich we had this little barbecue that was given
to by one of our listeners, and then he did
the full flame thing that we should have that with
your egg plant.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
You're there as it's happening. I would love to. And
by the way, after he did that to that meat,
it was so delicious and we're eating it at six
o'clock in the morning. You know, I mean, who does
it exactly? But aside from me, though, who does it? Everybody?
I feel like it was a perfect seer.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
The best thing to do is to just do it
and then wait for management to say, yeah, don't bring
a flamethrow to work. Although I will say this, still
haven't been told not to bring.

Speaker 7 (27:53):
It, so you know, there's that no you you don't
apologize later, yeah exactly, say oh, we didn't know.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
That flamethrow one thousand percent. It's not in the no, no, no,
my contract, not at all. Guys.

Speaker 7 (28:10):
One baseball game going on right now. It's between the
Orioles and the Braves. They are playing in Atlanta. They're
about to start the seventh inning. They are still tied
at one a piece. That Matt Olsen did hit his
tenth homer of the season in the bottom of the
first inning. We got a soccer game that just ended
in the Premier League. Arsenal did beat Newcastle United two
zero was the final score. And some sad news out

(28:32):
of the NBA. Nick Gilbert, son of Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert,
who was like their good luck charm that was sent
to the NBA lottery draft year after year he would
wear his bow tie. He sadly passed away at the
age of twenty six. He had a lifelong battle with
neuro fro. Nope, nope, guys, I can't say it, nero fibromantosis.

Speaker 3 (28:58):
That sounds right, sounds does that sound right? I'm going
to give it to you, thank you.

Speaker 7 (29:01):
But a lifelong battle with that and it's like we
all saw him year after year with his glasses and
his boat tie. So unfortunately passed away at the age
of twenty six. And according to ESPN, UFC veteran Tony
Ferguson was arrested this morning Sunday following a multi vehicle
crash in Hollywood, California. At TMZ is reporting that he
was arrested on suspicion of drunk driving.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Back to you guys, all right, MONSI well check in
with you a little bit later on.

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last night. I saw Lebron interviewed after the game, and

(29:49):
he was asked after talking about the game itself, and
he assured everybody that the team they just blew up
by thirty is very capable.

Speaker 3 (29:57):
Of running out three straight wins.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
So he's certainly not, you know, taking anything for granted
when he play a champion team.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Like the Warriors.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
But he was asked about his son, Bronni committing to
USC and he got emotional, and he got emotional from
this standpoint, obviously he's very proud of his son.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
He goes.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
You understand, he's the first person in my family ever
to go to college, because Lebron didn't go to college.
He came straight out of high school to the NBA.
And he really was emphatic and very emotional about it.
You understand, this is this is the first person in
my family history to ever go to college. Wow, and

(30:40):
and you know, and it was like a proud dad.
And the one thing we know about lebron James is
it's not going to be like a ball situation where
dad wants to hog the spy spotlight. We know that
even though he'll be playing at USC, his father is
going to be in the in the background. But but
the fact that he is Bronnie James, and it seems like,

(31:01):
honestly that he's been playing at Sierra Canyon High School
for like ten years, Like that's.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
How long we've been hearing about Ronnie James. Up.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Finally he's going to the college ranks. But the spotlight
on him is going to be intense. Yes, And we're
not talking about a guy who was a man in
high school physically like his father was.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
This is a six foot two, one hundred and seventy
pound card. He's not his father physically. How good of
a player is going to be? I guess we're going
to find out.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
We've heard all kinds of reports about Ronnie James and
just you know, what are the realistic chances of him,
you know, joining his dad someday in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
But that being said, I'm.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Telling you what at USC, if he's not getting playing
time or there's a lot to be said about bringing
in such a high profile high school player, and I
don't know if there's really any comparison with who his
father is and where he's chosen to go to college,

(32:04):
there's gonna be some pressure on that USC coaching staff
to hey, where's Bronny.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I mean, who knows.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Maybe he's gonna be a star from the get go,
but if he's not, I'm wondering how they're gonna handle that.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, well, here's the reality, because you know, having played
college sports at you know, the Division one level and
seeing what happens when there's a kid with a parent
who's a wealthy donor, or there's a kid on the
team who's a legacy because the father was an amazing
football player at Penn State, and then the uh, you know,

(32:41):
the kid just just isn't quite up to stuff. What
happens is obviously they're given preferential treatment, and they're given
all of the things that a normal scholarship athlete would get,
you know, the swag and you know and and what
have you. You know, it's it's gonna he's going to

(33:01):
feel like he's an important part of the team. But
if you're not good enough to get court time, if
you're not good enough in football to get field time,
not only do the coaches know they can't play you,
but the player usually knows they can't play you. So
Bronnie James, this is going to be his first real

(33:22):
taste at what it what it what it is to
be in the meritocracy of sports. If he's getting court time,
it's going to be because he's as good or just
slightly worse than the next best guy. Because look, if
he's just slightly worse than the next best guy, he's
going to get the nod because of who his father is.

(33:43):
But if he can't play at the collegiate level, like
if he gets up there and it's just very clear
to everybody, including Bronnie James, that he's just not competitive
at the collegiate level, he's going to ride the pine.
And you know what, he's got to be good with that,
because he'll go out and embarrass himself if he's not.
And his dad's got to be good with that. And

(34:04):
the only answer to that then is to try to
get better and to try to earn more core time,
and so we'll see if that happens. But again, we
don't know until we know. We've never seen him walk
onto a court at USC and these Trojans coaches haven't
gotten a chance to coach him yet, and so who knows.
Maybe he could end up being one of those journeyman types,

(34:25):
or maybe he'll be better at college than he is
at the high school level. But they know what the
hype is coming into the program, and so they're making
they're gonna give him every opportunity to succeed. But if
he can't do it, he's not gonna see a lot
of core time. Now, that's the competitive part of it.
Going back to what you were talking about with Lebron
James being that open and emotional about the significance of

(34:51):
this event. You know, the fact that Brownie will be
the first ever in his family to go to college,
that is significant. And from all appearances, Lebron seems like
a supporting and doting father absolutely, and so I think
I think that's that's incredible for him to share that
moment with the rest of us, and and that's something

(35:12):
that he's got to be really proud of, because while
trying to navigate his own professional career. He's raised a
kid that I haven't heard anything negative about, you know,
from a personal life.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, well, I mean you've never heard anything negative about Lebron
and his family.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah, I mean, Lebron's a stand up guy.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And you may not agree with maybe his political stances
and a lot of people have been arguing should he
go that far? But in terms of his personal life, yeah,
he's a steady eddie. You know, he's been married a
long time, his high school sweetheart, and he's got you know,
a couple of boys. I mean, you know, every He's
done everything right in those terms. Again, he's not going

(35:49):
to be a problem at all. But for Andy Enfield
and that coaching staff at USC, they might feel a
little pressure, like, let's get going. So I'm rooting for
BRONI I hope that this kid is can get and
help his father fulfill his dream of somehow side by
side they can play in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
All right.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
On the other side, the MVP Award was announced this
week in Joel Embiid, as expected, won the award. Did
the voters get it right? This is Fox Sports Sunday,
Steve Harbin, Rich Hornberger. This is Fox Sports Sunday. We
are live from the tyrac dot com studios. Coming up

(36:29):
in how about an hour and twenty minutes tip off
between the Celtics and the Sixers, Game four that series.
Celtics winning Game three in Philadelphia to take a two
to one series lead, and before Game three, big presentation
to Joel Embiid voted the NBA's Most Valuable Player. He
got emotional, had his little guy there and his parents

(36:52):
are there. It's a really nice thing. And you know,
he's a great player, and he'd been a runner up
in the voting the last couple of years, so he
finally had his opportunity to claim the award and he
played well. The rest of the team didn't show up.
We'll get into that a little bit later on, like
what happened to James Harden. But now I'm looking at
this MVP award and the NBA is different in its

(37:13):
history of its award than other sports because for the
first twenty five years that they had an NBA MVP,
it was voted on by the players, right, and then
in nineteen eighty one.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
It switched over to the media.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
So you have enough of a sample size on the
way the players voted versus the way the media votes.
And a prime example of that was the year that
Will Chamberlain averaged fifty points a game for an entire season,
averaged over fifty points a game for an entire year,
and in the player's MVP voting it wasn't even close.

(37:50):
Bill Russell was a runaway winner of the MVP award.
Will was a distant second in the voting. In fact,
Will was a very interesting sample because in his early years,
when he was rewriting the record books and scoring all
these points, he did not farewell in the MVP voting right.
And it wasn't until he moved to Philadelphia and sort

(38:11):
of adopted a Bill Russell style where he shot less
past more than he actually started winning MVP awards. But
I keep thinking, like, it seems like we have this
pattern here, Like if the players had voted Jordan won
five MVPs, he probably would have won eight. Like Lebron
James has won four, he probably would have won seven

(38:31):
or eight. They just stopped giving the award to guys,
saying now they've got enough, we need to spread it around.
And you know, I'm watching Jokic in this Denver series
and even in this loss to Phoenix the other night,
the guy had twenty eight points, seventeen rebounds, and seventeen
assist As great as Embiid is. If you look at

(38:54):
twelve major statistical categories, Jokic beats him in eight. And
I just wonder how different it would be for any
sport if the MVP voting were handed to the players
instead of the media.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Rich Well, to your point about embiding Jokic, it doesn't
mean that, like if I were going to start a team,
or if anybody was going to start a team and
select their first round draft pick and they could only
choose between Yokic and Embid, that the Lion chair of
the majority of people would select Jokic. That's not what

(39:29):
we're doing here. You know, we're not talking about building
a program. We're just talking about in a vacuum in
this you know, twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three season,
who's the best, who was the best? Who did it
better than anybody else? It seems odd to try to
make an argument for anybody other than Nicola Jokic. It

(39:50):
just i Embiid had a great year, and you know
what it is argumentative. You could probably make an argument
for Embiid, but you're you're straining your self not to
give it to Nicola Jokic. And that's the reason why Steve,
you know, you bring up this point. If it's done differently,
are the results different? Well, yeah, because it's subjective. I mean,

(40:11):
as as firm as I am about Jokic deserving it,
there's somebody who's firm saying Embiid deserves it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
I just I think that the players would have a
different view of it, and they proved at Kareem won
six MVP awards when the players are voting because he
was the most dominant player, like he was the most
valuable player. I just think the view of the players
in the media because of me, he can get caught
up in stats and everything else and maybe spread the wealth.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
I think it's much different with the players all right.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Coming up on the other side, much more NBA playoff news,
and we got some NFL to get to.

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We're not sitting in each other's lap this week as
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to make sure everything is running smoothly after our trial
run in our new studios last week. Let's get right

(41:27):
to this the NFL. This is the so called quiet
time in the NFL. Right the draft is over, and
really between now and the started training camp, especially once
we get into June and July, it's Dadsville. I mean,
right now you got mini camps and you know, ota

(41:48):
stuff like that, and they get a chance to look
at some of the guys that they drafted and start
signing some free agents and everything else.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
And then we go into a little bit of a lull.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
But there's never a downtime in the NFL because the
first thing I I when I clicked on you know
what's the latest NFL news is fantasy football. Now I
know that the majority of our listeners out there that
are NFL fans engage in some level of fantasy football.
It's just the thing to do. And so I was

(42:17):
looking here at the rankings of the recently drafted players.
So that's always a question, right, You get ready for
fantasy football and you're like, okay, which one of these
rookies is going to have that breakout season? And obviously
they look at Jean Robinson Jamiir Gibbs because they're running backs.
You figure running backs are going to get the first

(42:37):
look because their shelf life is short. So usually you
look at running backs out of the drafted guys that
again that immediate impact, right, But I wanted to look at.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
The quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
And the top three quarterbacks in this draft were Bryce Young,
C J. Stroud, and Anthony Richardson well based on a
couple of the rankings of fantasy football, and this is
you know, how many fantasy points will these quarterbacks deliver.

Speaker 3 (43:07):
For you in twenty twenty three? The order is.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Stroud third, Bryce Young second, and Anthony Richardson first. And
I keep wondering, exactly what are the Colts plans for
Anthony Richardson? They release Nick Foles, that doesn't come as
any kind of surprise you have Ellinger there, I mean,

(43:35):
I mean, there isn't a whole lot to choose from,
and obviously Gardner Minshew was brought in as a I
don't know, like a sort of a start the season guy.
You and I have gone back and forth about this
drafting of Anthony Richardson, and you know what kind of
projection he has. But I think these odds are reflective
of the idea that we're gonna see a lot more

(43:58):
of Anthony Richardson in some form that maybe a lot
of people are anticipating because you know, with Bryce Young,
he's going to get an opportunity of media in Carolina.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
CJ. Stroud saying thing in Houston.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
But I dare say I wouldn't bet the bank against
Anthony Richardson to have maybe more of an impact on
the Colts offense than a lot of people are expecting
as a rookie.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Well, here's the reality of Anthony Richardson. It's not necessarily
that he's going to have more of an impact as
a rookie. It's it's the style of play. Like when
you look at Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud from a
fantasy football standpoint, they're not going to do the sort
of things that, for example, and Anthony Richardson will do

(44:46):
because he's going to get you a lot of yards
with his legs as well. At the NFL level, Absolutely,
you know, CJ. Stroud more of a pocket passer. Bryce
Young obviously more of a pocket passer. You know, both
of them are mobile, both of them can get you
out of trouble, them can extend play, and they can improvise.
But you know, you wouldn't characterize them as a dual threat.

(45:07):
You know, think of Patrick Mahomes. He's absolutely a dual threat,
but he's more of a pocket passer. You know, So
even though he's arguably the best quarterback in the NFL
right now, he'll probably be taken lower down the list.
In fact, that Justin Fields might go before Patrick Mahomes
because of what he gives you from a fantasy points standpoint.

(45:29):
And that's the reason why I think Anthony Richardson is
going to be taken over those other two guys taken
in the first round of this year's NFL draft at
the quarterback position. Also, you could make the argument we'll
see him sooner, you know, CJ. Stroud, I mean you
have all the time in the world, and in Houston,
everybody knows that Houston Texans are going to struggle next year.

(45:51):
I don't think anybody thinks, based off their draft that
they're fixed all of a sudden. So I think CJ.
Stroud could wait on the shelf for a little bit,
you know, while he's incubating for his opportunity to start.
I think the same could be for Bryce Young in Carolina.
I could see Anthony Richardson, you know, replaced Gardner Minshew
if that is going to be the starting quarterback in Indianapolis.

(46:14):
At first, I could see him replacing him, you know,
a lot quicker than those other two guys. So maybe
that's maybe that's a part of the wisdom here why
people want to take him or are planning to take
him earlier in their drafts, because they assume he's going
to see the field faster as a rookie. You know.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
The release of Nick Foles is the reminder of one
of the most unique careers in the NFL, and the
teams may still have an opportunity to pick up Nick
Foles as a backup quarterback. Essentially, his career has been
defined by two runs. His first full year as a
starter back in twenty thirteen, when he led the NFL
in passer rating, had an incredible twenty seven touchdowns and.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Two picks for the season.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yeah, in a Chip Kelly offense that, frankly, the NFL
had never seen before. And yesterday we were talking to
Adam Kaplan, who was very close with the Eagles organization,
and he said it was funny. He goes, in the
midst of that year, he was talking to some NFL
scout guy like, you know, wow, I mean, look at
this guy. This guy is unreal, and he goes, he's not.

(47:19):
He goes, we had him projected as a fifth round
pick and he goes, Yeah, but obviously he's a lot
better than that. He goes, he's not. It's the system.
And once the NFL figures out the system, this guy's
going to come crashing back down. And that's exactly what happened.
And then get Doug Peterson credit. You know, in that
midst of that twenty seventeen season, when Carson Wentz went down,

(47:41):
they brought in Nick Foles. He wasn't doing much of anything,
and then right before the playoffs, they went back to
the old playbook of Chip Kelly Hey, what made Nick
Foles good? And they weren't ready for it, The NFL
wasn't ready for it, and Nick Foles all of a
sudden again looked like this world beater capped off by
a Super Bowl MVP performance. He got the big deal

(48:02):
in Jacksonville and he came crashing back to Earth. And
it's just it's just absolutely amazing to me. How when
we talk about quarterbacks, no matter what kind of talent
they have, that sometimes they can exceed their talent or
fall short of their talent simply based on the right

(48:23):
system their talents.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And I mean we go back to Bill Waalash and
Joe Montana. I mean we can go.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
I mean it just it's such an important factor with
any of these quarterbacks, no matter how much talent that
they have. Look at what the Ravens do with Lamar.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
Jackson, well, Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reidsten. Patrick Mahomes is
an incredible quarterback. I want to take nothing away from him, right,
But if Patrick Mahomes was drafted by the Cleveland Browns,
would it have looked as good? The answer is absolutely not.
I mean it really, I look I it wouldn't look

(49:00):
as good. I'm not going to say that he couldn't
make it work anywhere else. I'm not going to say
that Andy Reid or Patrick Mahomes owes Andy Reid his
entire career and all the credit goes to Andy Reid.
That's certainly not what I'm saying. But would it look
as good. No, the same way, I don't think it
would have looked as good for Tom Brady early in
his career had he gone somewhere other than New England.

(49:25):
I just don't. I think sometimes a quarterback has the
right stuff, they have the right amount of buying, and
they're paired with a coach who understands them and builds
a system and believes in them. That's the most important
thing is having a coach believe in you, believe in
your talent, not care what anybody else thinks. Because there

(49:46):
were a lot of people who thought that the Patrick
Mahomes draft pick by the Kansas City Chiefs, they thought
it's stunk.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
They're like, what are you guys doing They had a
losing record in college.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Yeah, yeah, they couldn't believe it. And then he turns
he turns himself in with and by the way, quickly
into inarguably one of the best quarterbacks who's ever played
the game. Because if Patrick Mahomes retires now after whatever
it's been a five or six year run, he would
be a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's already done
enough in his career, like he is incredible. But a

(50:17):
certain amount of that credit belongs to Andy Reid. A
certain amount of the credit for Tom Brady belongs to
Bill Belichick and the offensive coordinators who worked with him
in New England, especially at first. Now, at a certain point,
you know, during a twenty year stretch as a starting quarterback,
I think he learned enough. He engendered enough of the

(50:37):
offensive and defensive frankly knowledge that he needed to attack
any defense in the NFL. And so he brought his
talents to Tampa Bay. And it didn't matter who he
was working with, Bruce arians Byron Leftwich, he was going
to win regardless. He had enough talent around him offensively,
and he basically took over that offense. And once Tom

(50:58):
Brady got cooking down there in Tampa worked, I mean,
but for a young quarterback, where you go is so
crucial who your head coaches, the talent you're surrounded by,
it's so crucial. It can't it can't be. It can't
be given enough credit. I don't think it is given
enough credit.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
All right.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
So on the other side, I want to get to
another quarterback who is now the highest paid player in
the NFL in terms of total sum money potentially in
his contract. That's Lamar Jackson, and he has visions of
grandeur as a passing quarterback. Are the Ravens about to
make a big mistake in the direction they're taking their

(51:41):
former MVP. We're gonna break it down. This is Fox
Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin, Rich Ornberger. This is Fox Sports Sunday,
and we are live from the Tyraq dot Com studios
a little over an hour away tip off Game four
and the series between the Celtics and the Sixer, and
then later Phoenix Sun's trying to get even in their

(52:03):
series against the Denver Nuggets. NBA playoffs have been good,
been entertaining. We got a lot of storylines going on,
so we'll get to a lot of that. We're covering
a little NFL though in this hour, and Lamar Jackson
obviously very excited that he got his deal done and

(52:24):
he is now the highest well it's the biggest contract
in the NFL, and he has visions of grandeur.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
In fact, he's talking in terms.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
That he believes that he is capable of a six
thousand yard passing season, which obviously has never been accomplished.
We have seventeen games now, so I guess it's conceivable
through the math, though.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
I mean, that's that's about three hundred and fifty yards
a game.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
For an entire season. That's a lot of passing yards.
But he's excited because of all the additions that they
have made to their receiving corps. And this is a guy,
by the way, that's never even thrown for thirty five.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
Hundred yards in a season.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
But I'm really looking at these additions thinking, well, maybe
he's exaggerating a little bit. Nelson Agilare is a serviceable receiver. Yeah,
he's been a solid pro for about eight years, but
at no point.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
Has he ever approached Pro Bowl status. That's for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Odell Beckham at one point was arguably the best receiver
in the NFL. Those days are long gone. He hasn't
played a game and well over a year. And then
obviously you guys A Flowers, the rookie who like any
rookie will wait and see.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
We've seen a.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Lot of rookies at all positions that are hyped coming
out of college that don't deliver in the NFL. But
a more concern to me is just the way they
will handle their offense. You know, new coordinator. This is
a team that blew the league away in twenty nineteen
during his MVP season with their running game and you know,

(54:05):
and mixing in the past, and he had amazingly efficient
passing numbers. I don't think you really need to recreate
Lamar Jackson. We just talked about finding the right system
to fit the talent of the quarterback the Ravens already
have that he needs to stay healthy. Maybe a little
less running is advisable. But the idea of you're going

(54:29):
to convert him into, you know, a guy throwing for
four five thousand yards a season, I just don't see it.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Rich Well, you know what, It's so funny that that
was your reaction to all this, because I just didn't
take it very serious, you know, Lamar Jackson. I think
this is the problem with Lamar Jackson not having an
agent or a public relations person. I just can't really
take anything he says all that seriously, Now, is he

(54:57):
one of the highest paid players who's ever played professional sports?

Speaker 3 (55:02):
Well?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah? Is he the highest paid NFL player ever? Yeah?
I got to take that seriously. Kudos to Lamar Jackson
for getting that deal done with the Ravens. He didn't
get everything he wanted if he wanted a fully guaranteed contract. Obviously,
this pales in comparison to that, considering he was only

(55:23):
guaranteed one hundred eighty five million dollars. One hundred eighty
five million dollars is a killing, and I think it's
well deserved. I think he's one of the best players
in this league players, not just quarterbacks, but players. He
is a game changer. But I also think that he's unpolished.
I think that as a leader of a team on

(55:45):
social media and when he takes press, he sounds like
a guy who hasn't had like a ton of people
or influences who are are helping shape the narrative and
for him. Sometimes, you know, sometimes it's the articles that
are being written about a player that are helping to

(56:07):
shape the narrative. Sometimes it's the public relations arm of
the player that's operating when that player is away from
the podium that helps shape the narrative, and he's had
none of that help. And so when I listen to
him and I hear him say, hey, I want to
throw for six thousand yards and I want to win

(56:27):
a super Bowl and I want to do this, Like,
I don't know, for whatever reason, it's not as meaningful
as when you know Saya Patrick Mahomes says it, or
even maybe a guy who has been less successful in
the NFL over the stretch of his career, say Dak Prescott,
Like when I hear Dak talk, I immediately assume, like, oh, well,
Dak's serious, Like I just don't for whatever reason, like

(56:48):
I have a hard time taking Lamar Jackson seriously.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I was listening to
Colin Coward talking about, you know, quarterbacks that are built
to life asked versus those that are built short term.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Yeah, and it's a very valid argument.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I mean when you look at a guy like at
Tom Brady or and Aaron Rodgers and they've had these
extended careers, and then you project a guy like Justin
Herbert would seem to be one of those kind of guys,
big body, pocket guy, you know, he's not going to
get a lot of damage. And we saw it with
Philip Rivers, who probably could still be a starting quarterback
in the NFL, to be honest with you. And then

(57:27):
you got guys like Lamar Jackson who probably falls more
into where we were with guys like Michael Vick and
Cam Newton, maybe Russell Russell Wilson as we have found out.
I don't know what kind of rebound season he expects
to have in Denver. But if you have a kind
of quarterback that gives you so many multiple options because
they can do it with their legs as well as

(57:48):
the arm, then to me, you've got to write it
out just as long as you can. I mean, you
got a five year deal, right with Lamar Jackson, I
have no plans beyond those five years. This is what
he'd this is what separates him from the other quarterbacks
in the NFL. I'm not going to try this was
a mistake. Back in the Randall Cunningham days. If you

(58:09):
go back to Randall Cunningham, he was again just an
incredible athlete that could do so many different things, so
versatile with his arm.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
He had a cannon arm, he had the legs, everything else.
They try to change him to preserve him.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yep, and he actually had more injuries under that system
than he had when he was running all over the field.
So if I were the Ravens right now and I'm
hearing my quarterback talking about, hey, I'm excited about all
the added receivers, Oh right.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Well that's good.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I mean it's nice to have options and just dumping
the ball off to Mark Andrews all the time and
give yourself a few view options. But I'm not going
to change your style. I mean, you there's a reason
you won an MVP Award unanimously because you have a
unique skill set that we are going to use as
long as you possibly can do that.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
Well, yeah, and that's what you got to do with
a guy like Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
When you get the big paycheck, I mean, the expectation
from the fan base and from the team is the
reason why you got the paycheck, continues to be the
reason why you are now earning that paycheck. Like obviously,
his performances in the past have given the Baltimore Ravens
faith that if we invest in Lamar Jackson, we're going

(59:27):
to see similar results for the next five years or
next four years, right, you know, like that's why you
sign that contract. If all of a sudden we start
hearing that Lamar Jackson wants to look more like Peyton
Manning than Lamar Jackson, well that's a big problem. Yeah.
So Peyton Manning back in whatever was twenty thirteen, I

(59:48):
believe was the year through for five thousand, three hundred
some odd yards and he's the single season passing record
holder Lamar Jackson. If Lamar Jackson is doing exactly what
he should be doing for the Ravens, shouldn't get close
to that number. He just shouldn't. He's a dual threat

(01:00:09):
quarterback now. And unless something changes, like and I mean
a huge change where he becomes so dynamic as a passer,
it's irrefutable. You don't want him running because you're worried
about him getting injured. That's one thing. But what's made
Lamar Jackson special is the way he can threaten a
defense with his legs in his arm. So he should

(01:00:31):
be a guy who passes for thirty five to four
thousand yards who rushes for an additional thousand, which, by
the way, is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Yes, he had twelve hundred yards rushing his MVP season
and about thirty two hundred yards passing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yeah, I mean that's what he did. He said, thirty
six touchdowns and only six picks.

Speaker 8 (01:00:51):
That's exactly how he should look because the defense should
feel so off balanced, should feel so threatened by the
fact that Lamar Jackson can turn any pass into a run,
and any run play that he's involved with, you don't
have enough defenders to that side of the field to
stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
Because when you add the quarterback, it's a problem. It's
a problem. I mean, you just don't have the numbers.
So if you have a Lamar Jackson playing like Lamar
Jackson should play, he shouldn't come anywhere near six thousand yards.
Now winning a Super Bowl I think that's fantastic to
put that out there in the universe. Hey, look, I
signed this contract because I want to bring a Super

(01:01:30):
Bowl championship to Baltimore. Perfect. But you are not a
passing quarterback. That's not who you are, Lamar. You're not,
And that's okay, because you're one of the most special
quarterbacks we've ever seen in the history of football. But
it's not just because you're an arm it's because you
do so much more when you're on the field and
you're healthy. So hopefully they can a keep him healthy

(01:01:53):
and hopefully be to your point, Steve, and I agree
with it one hundred percent. I hope that he stays
Lamar Jackson, he doesn't try to evolve into something more
than that, because what he is is special enough to
win a Super Bowl, right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
I mean, if he only has five years the terms
of this contract to be an elite quarterback, but in
the process delivers a Super Bowl championship, it was well
worth it, even if he doesn't play another five to
ten years beyond that. By the way, we're brought to
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what is trending right now. Dual threat Moncey Belanya is here.

Speaker 3 (01:02:41):
Right, Yep, that's right. You wear a lot of hats, Moncey,
A lot of them.

Speaker 7 (01:02:45):
Yeah, not really, but yeah, no, you know, I mean
like actual hats.

Speaker 3 (01:02:49):
I hardly ever wear my.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
Baseball hats but but I have like seven and I
think I wear.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
Versus Ility in this business is essential. Everyone in this
business has to do that, right. I mean, if you
want to sort of maintain, you got to be able
to do this that this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm learning from the best. So
here I am learning for the best. She's looking somewhere,
she's trying to get eye contact with somebody else straight up.
And the other day I did, I was like, Hartman,
get off our screen because I.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Was walking down the hallway and they were doing the
Lakers thing and you were on our screen, and I
literally yelled, Hartman, get off our screen.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
And everybody's like, he's always on there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
By the way that those were those were taped over
ten years ago. If you do not get any residuals
out of check in the h I knew that at
the time I did that, And and they just it's
funny because it's the Laker station.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Uh and here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Spectrum, yes, and they they can't carry the playoff games
obviously right now, so in place of the playoff games,
they run those things. Got ye fillers.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
Yeah, yeah, Well, funny that you guys were talking about
Lamar Jackson because I came across. He was just on
The Lounge, which is a Baltimore Ravens podcast, and so
I've been listening to it trying to get little, you know,
snippets of what he said. Some of the things that
I caught was that he said that they right after
they got Odell Beckham Junior, that he called his coach Harbaugh,

(01:04:21):
John Harbaugh and was like, hey, can we still get Hopkins,
and that Harbaugh was like, no, can't do that, and
then he's like, okay, I'm just saying we should. Then
he also said that watching that playoff game where he
was injured and he couldn't play last season, that he
was so mad that he wanted to throw his TV,
like we see those videos of people throwing their TVs
when they're mad. He said he almost did that, but

(01:04:42):
then he realized he had to pay for it, so
he didn't do it. He also said that he didn't
want to be traded, that he requested the trade as
a way to get the ball rolling, but that he
never actually wanted to be traded from the Ravens even
though he did request it. And it's about a thirty
five minute interview on the Lounge that he did two
days ago. But let's go on to Major League Baseball

(01:05:03):
because now we got more games. The Oriols and the
Braves were tied for the longest time. They're no longer tied,
but they're in the bottom of the tenth inning and
the Oriols are beating the Braves in Atlanta two to one.
Atlanta is down to their final two outs, but they
have a runner on third base. The Phillies have scored
first against the Red Sox. The Red Sox are not
doing are actually doing really well. They've won eight in

(01:05:24):
a row while the Phillies have lost six in a row.
But the Phillies are beating the Red Sox one zero,
bottom of the fourth inning. The Rockies and the Mets
are tied at three apiece top of the third inning,
with the Guardians beating the Twins two zero bottom of
the fourth inning. And the Yankees, Oh, they've been no bueno,
but right now they're beating the best team in baseball,
the Rays four zero, top of the fourth inning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
The Cardinals are no boeno. They've lost eight in a row.

Speaker 7 (01:05:48):
They have the worst record in the National League at
ten and twenty four, but they're currently beating the Tigers
one zero top of the second inning with the Royals
up on the A's one zero bottom of the second inning.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
Back to you, guys, Ali Monzie, thank you very much,
and she will continue to pursue the multitude of employment
opportunities he has over these years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
By the way, Rich Sean Clifford, the former Penn State
quarterback who, by the way, was the Penn State quarterback
when you played at Penn State, he just finished his
twenty year run at Penn State and was drafted on
the guy technically he actually was there six years, by
the way, he was there and he was so good
that he forced Will Levis to transfer to Kentucky. So

(01:06:33):
Sean Clifford, who actually is twenty four now, was drafted
by the Packers, and he was handed eight locker, which
is exciting for any rookie. It just so happened it
was Aaron Rodgers locker. They also signed him the number eight,
which is ironically the number that Aaron Rodgers will be
wearing as a New York Jet.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
So none of this happens by accidents. No, none of
this happens by accidents. So what do you think the
mentality is of the Packers in sort of poking the bear.
And again, it's not like the Packers are going to
have a multitude of games against the Jets, So I
guess in some regards it's harmless. But why hand a
rookie quarterback the locker of an old time legend and

(01:07:20):
assign him a number that that old time legend will
be wearing next year in a different uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yeah, it's it's kind of expert trolling.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
Yeah, very much so.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
And you know what's actually crazy, crazy er I should say,
is not only will he be wearing Sean Clifford Aaron Rodgers'
new number with the Jets, and he's sitting in Aaron Rodgers'
old number with the or old locker with the Packers,
but Sean Clifford also grew up in Florham Park, New Jersey,

(01:07:53):
where the Jets practice facility. Wow, No, I'm kidding, I'm
making that up.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Guy's gonna say, no, really going next?

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
Can you imagine? No? No, No, he's I'm sure he's
from Pennsylvania.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Why are the Packers doing this?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
The Packers look, sports are becoming I shouldn't say sports,
but sports teams are becoming more publicly petty and they're
doing it because it works. We were just discussing almost
this exact same thing in some ways where you had
Fernando Tatist Junior hit two home runs in a single

(01:08:28):
game on Friday for the Padres against the Dodgers. Why
is that important, Well, it's because the Dodgers have owned
the NL West for ever twenty five years. I mean,
it's just been a ridiculous rule.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Let's give him fifteen.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Give them fifteen. You know they ran into that problem. Yeah,
called the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Yeah, that ridiculous hundred and seven win season.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Years they were They have been incredible. But the Padres
are trying to make noise. They have this new roster,
they're spending a ton of money. They're rebuilding their farm
system after making a huge number of trades, including to
get Juan Soto on their team, which we'll see maybe
they sign him long term if he has a good
enough contract. But all of a sudden, this nobody team

(01:09:11):
out of Nowheeresville in the NL West is trying to
make their bones, and the way they're doing it is
by flashing a meme up on the jumbo tron. After
the Padres beat the Dodgers in game one of their
opening series of the year facing each other of Clayton
Kershaw crying and over the top of it flashing the

(01:09:31):
text Padres Win, Padres Win. They're trying to troll them,
and the reason why they're doing that is because the
rivalry is good for the Padres. It's not good for
the Dodgers. It's good for the Padres. And I think
the same things applying here with the Packers and the Jets. Look,
the Packers are in the middle of a rebuild. But
if they could get people excited for the first time

(01:09:54):
the Packers face their old teammate, their old hero, Aaron Rodgers,
the better off this is gonna be. So I bet
you this isn't the last of the trolling we're gonna
see from the Packers, you know. I bet you they're
gonna do more stuff like this. I bet they're gonna
make it hard on Aaron Rodgers from the standpoint of
like poking the bear, because really, realistically, it's the best

(01:10:18):
thing the Packers could do, especially if Jordan Love ends
up working out, because the Jets have a really good
team he's going to And that's the only reason why
Aaron Rodgers wanted to go there. That's a top five defense.
I think Robert sala is a pretty good coach. They've
got a lot of young, exciting offensive weapons around that offense.
They needed a quarterback desperately last year. They probably would

(01:10:42):
have been a much better team with one, or definitely
would have been a much better team with one. And
then they've brought in a couple of players that Aaron
Rodgers has played with over the years, like Cobb and
Alexander or Alan Lazard. So you have these guys who
are gonna join him. I think the Packers are just
trying to troll the Jets, and I think it's probably smart.

Speaker 2 (01:11:04):
I'm interested in how Aaron Rodgers is conducting his personal
business since officially becoming a New York Jets. Suddenly he's
popping up at all these sporting events. And we know
Aaron Rodgers is a big sports fan, and obviously back
in green Bay. Last time I checked, Green Bay does
not have an NBA team, or a Major League Baseball team,

(01:11:24):
a NHL team, but they have all those obviously, and
plenty of that in New York. But you know, he
addressed the media situation New York as opposed to sort
of hiding in Green Bay all those years, and he
seems anxious to tackle that. But he hasn't been under
any scrutiny yet. As you said, expectations are sky high

(01:11:48):
with the Jets right now. They do have a lot
of young talent on the offensive side of the football,
and they figured to be significantly better with Zach Wilson
being replaced by Aaron Rodgers. But you know how the
New York media works. If you fall short anywhere short
of where they deem you should be, then they will.

Speaker 3 (01:12:10):
Hammer you mercilessly.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
And I'm just because Aaron Rodgers has a way of
conducting himself that can put off a lot of people.
And I'm just, I'm just he's start of playing the
game right now, you know, showing up at By the way,
if you're going to show up at a Knicks playoff game,
you better hope they win. They didn't win the other night,
you know. I was like, yeah, because they'll hold you accountable.

(01:12:35):
Why did you show up? We were better off when
you weren't showing up at Knicks games. H Huh, Spike,
Lee's fine, You're not yet, well, But I just I
wonder exactly how it's going to work out with Aaron
if things don't start off hot with the Jets, because
they're gonna expect them off and running from day one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Well, look in green Bay for as much as the
national media, and I really do think that this has
been driven by a handful of people who have taken
umbrage with Aaron Rodgers as a target. Which is fine
because guess what, everybody's entitled to their opinion, and there
are networks that pay certain people a tremendous amount of

(01:13:17):
money to have strong opinions about things, including sports, and
so if there are voices in the room who dislike
Aaron Rodgers and who he is and how he comports himself,
that's their agenda. That's their opinion, and they're entitled to it.
But I do think that's shaped how the how the
country views this guy. He's endeared himself to Green Bay.

(01:13:40):
I mean, I'm telling you there's a lot of Green
Bay Packers fans who will tell you, like, we don't
want to see Aaron Rodgers go, and they're blaming the
front office for creating some problems with them. Now, don't
get me wrong, He's difficult, and I think that has
been frustrating for green Bay fans, and very similar to
the far of leaving Green Bay experience, this had those

(01:14:01):
same pangs of weird desperation at times. But Okay, the
guy was seriously considering retiring. He decided he wasn't done
playing yet. He wanted to go to the Jets. He
sort of called a shot, and the Packers made it happen.
I don't think any anybody who's a true Green Bay
Packers fan is super excited for the Jordan Love experience.

(01:14:22):
I mean, there's probably a lot of people are like, well,
I mean, we moved on from a Hall of Famer,
and maybe we had to at some point anyways, but
it doesn't promise you that the good times are going
to keep rolling with Jordan Love. We'll see now. In
terms of Aaron Rodgers in the New York media, I
agree with you. I think output is going to be
the most important thing. But I also think that he

(01:14:44):
is a classy enough guy talking to members of the
media and interacting with the fans in his area like
he did in Green Bay that I'm not so sure
he isn't gonna win over the New York fans. Like obviously,
the most important thing is winning, but that's a charming
guy when he wants to be. And I think I

(01:15:07):
think this is I personally think this is gonna work
out gangbusters for the New York Jets. I think they're you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
Remember Brett Far Brett Farr was a likable guy, right, Yeah,
one year with the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
Yeah, but what's a terrible year.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
By the way, and what happened with the Jets?

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Also, I mean, I understand there are a couple of
photographs that's.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Okay, you know, but I mean, isn't that something that
New York's are like, Hey, okay, there's an.

Speaker 3 (01:15:33):
Edge years, an edge, a little bit of an edge year.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I don't know, man, Let's put it this way. It
looks like Aaron Rodgers is tearing a lot of pages
out of the Brett Faarr playbook. Maybe leave that one in,
by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
On the other side, a clarification on one of the
more bizarre picks in this year's NFL draft. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvey, Rich Hornberger once again, and
this is Fox Sports Sunday, and we are live from
the tyrac dot Com studios.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
One of the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
More controversial draft picks this year in the NFL was
the San Francisco forty nine Ers selecting kicker Jake Moody
out of Michigan in the third round. By the way,
one of the reasons it's so controversial is that's the
highest level than any kicker has been drafted since the

(01:16:29):
infamous Tampa Bay Buccaneers pick of Roberto Aguayo in twenty
sixteen out of Florida State.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
He was a three time All.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
American as a rookie with the Buccaneers second round pick,
and by the way, they traded a third and a
fourth to move up this second to get him.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
Guyo.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
His rookie season, he had the lowest field goal percentage
of any kicker in the NFL, was released and has
never made a team since. He played one year second
round pick kicker. So now we have clarification on exactly
why the forty nine ers made this pick. John Lynch
in an interview said, if we had not taken him there,

(01:17:08):
we wouldn't have gotten him. Like people were just leaping
over each other to try to get high enough in
the draft to come away with a kicker.

Speaker 3 (01:17:18):
Jake Moody now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
As a guy who was in the trenches as you were,
rich and he used to see the kicker and the
punter long snapper sort of off on the.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Side, you know, and they're doing their little thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
If you were a general manager, no matter how good
a college kicker was, would you expend a third round pick.
By the way, he's only the sixth kicker since the
two thousand draft to be selected in the top one
hundred picks of the draft. But do you think that's
a sound choice even if he turns out to be

(01:17:58):
a successful kicker.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Well, listen, if he turns out to be a great kicker,
like a Pro Bowl kicker many times over and over again,
and he, you know, maybe even gets consideration to be
a Hall of Famer at the end of his career,
like potentially Robbie Gould here who was their former kicker,

(01:18:20):
then okay, yeah, I guess you could justify it after
the fact, but the chances of that happening are so slim,
And the value of a third round draft pick can't
be understated. I mean, there are plenty of third round
draft picks who could be supremely consequential to the success

(01:18:41):
of your franchise. I mean, we've seen this time and
time again, so to and I'm going to I'm going
to say this fully aware that this could be, this
could blow up in my face. But to waste a
pick on a kicker and then to try to justify
it by saying, well, well, if we didn't, somebody else

(01:19:01):
was going to oh yeah. I mean, it's just it's ridiculous.
If the forty nine ers struggle in their division at
any point this season, people are going to bring this
back up and be like, yeah, well, that's what serves
you right for screwing around with the draft. And then
they're going to start pointing to the third round draft
picks around Moody or who were taken after Moody, who

(01:19:25):
the forty nine ers could have selected. I promise you
that will happen.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
Right, I mean, when you think about the history of
the NFL in terms of kickers that have had value, value,
and Tucker is certainly one of them right now, right,
I mean, he's probably projected to be a Hall of
Famer someday. Yeah, you know, Vinettieri. I mean, there aren't
a lot of them. It's a very short list, the

(01:19:50):
Morton Anderson's of the world, a very short list of
kickers that have really.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
Had an impact on the game. I just Jack, No, No,
he's not a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
Look, half the league right now has a kicker that
was cut by the Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
I mean it literally seems like half the kickers in
the NFL were failed kickers with the Chargers that somehow
found their stroke when they joined another team. I just
think a lot of guys can kick. Yeah, I think
it's a terrible pick and no justification. All right, an
event that has played out will tell you about it.

(01:20:30):
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By the way, I'm watching here Bowl versus Burrito with
Bo and Sam. Oh wow, Yeah, they went to a

(01:21:12):
place where you have an option a bowl versus burrito,
the contents are essentially the same minus the tortilla. I
asked you, bowl versus burrito, with all the contents identical,
which way do you go?

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
I'm glad you asked. It's an important question that, frankly,
I think has divided America for a long.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
A versus burrito. The people are very strong on both
sides of this.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
I am a traditionalist. I think that a burrito should
never part ways with its tortilla.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Mm hmm, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:51):
I mean, if you're gonna have a burrito, just go
ahead and just I mean, just have yourself a burrito,
have yourself a day.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Okay, Now I'm I'm looking here because Moncy has stepped in.
She's the tie breaker here. So Bo goes bowl, Sam
goes burrito, and she's going bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
She's going bull.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I have to admit, I'm a bowl guy myself, and
I love good burritos.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
You see me devour burritos.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
I know that what they're eating is a salad, though,
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
You know there's meat content in it, well not in Mance's,
well maybe not in Monsi's, but everything else is in there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
I mean, she she claims she's a vegan at times,
and we know that she's like a vegetarian pescatarian.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
Maybe Mancy has a meat substitute in the Erala. I mean,
but you know how her meat. We've we've sampled her
meat substitutes.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
Yeah, we've tried them, Yeah we have, we did. And
I'll say this right now. When you stack up a
fake chicken wing against the real deal, Holyfield, I mean,
the fake doesn't even stand.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
Let me let me tell you why sometimes Bowl is preferable.

Speaker 1 (01:23:00):
I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
And one of the reasons I went to Bowl, even
though I'm the big burrito guy.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Oh you went. You went with Bowl today?

Speaker 3 (01:23:07):
Well I didn't not today, but I normally do.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
And in the place and everyone knows the place are
doing about anyway, Bowl versus burrito. But the reason I
like to go Bowl is because I love chips. And
when you have the chips using the bull as sort.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
Of a dip, you know, for the chip. Well, but
hang on this, Am I right about that?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
When you mentioned the idea of the chip with the
bull and then scoop it up, well exactly, and who
it becomes a dip.

Speaker 1 (01:23:37):
It becomes a a burrito contents dip, I mean wrecked.
I'm just saying this, like if you walk into a breath.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
Hold on Mancy's coming on here could to clarify it,
and she got excited when I talked about this whole aspect.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
You know what I'm talking about, Moncey.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Where you have the chips on the side, scooping up
the content of the bowl.

Speaker 7 (01:23:58):
That's exactly what I'm doing. Literally, what I'm doing is
instead of having the burrito with the tortilla, right, I'm
having the burrito just in a bowl so I can
eat the chips and I don't feel terrible about myself exactly.

Speaker 9 (01:24:08):
Yeah, that's all. But the tortillas just exchanged then for
the chips. What the chips made from for me, all
made from tortilla, all fried tortilla, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:19):
I just I mean, okay, but we're not doing the
thing that people do, Like we're not calling it a
burrito bowl because it is now taking on numerous different shapes.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
But I mean, if you have the dried chip, yeah,
next to a burrito, it's not the same, and it's
a fully loaded chip, yes, with all the contents of
your burrito.

Speaker 7 (01:24:38):
And what I put in my bowl is the exact
same thing I would put in my burrito.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
Correct, Yes, what happens if like you'res you know, I
mean you could do this with you could take a
bite or say three bites out of the top of burrito.
This depending on the size of your mouth, and you
will have an open cavern where you can then take
a tortilla chip and then dunk it into the burrito.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
I mean, I know, then you actually had, all of
a sudden, you've got an empty burrito's just getting two decades.
There's no worse thing than a big bite of nothing
but tortilla in a burrito. The burrito's got to have
It's like, you know, our favorite place to have a
breakfast Bria. There's no empty tortilla, all right, I mean,
there's content from the first bite to the last part.

Speaker 3 (01:25:22):
I'm not that's the way a proper burrito should be built.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that the content makes
the burrito. Also that the tortilla shell is largely forgettable. However, yes,
crucial to the burrito making process. And I listen, vote
for me. In twenty twenty four, every burrito will have
a tortilla. Every delicious Mexican offering will be handheld. That's

(01:25:50):
the other thing. It's like, I mean it used to
be like you could eat a burrito while you're driving,
like no sweat, no problem. Now if you got a bowl,
I mean that's a two handed operation.

Speaker 7 (01:26:01):
Well, well that's a different and no, no, no, that
that's a different situation.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Obviously. If I'm driving, I'm gonna get the burrito, right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Obviously, Well, you you brought into the chips like all
of a sudden, off the top or top ropes. Like
I'm just trying to explain to everybody the convenience of.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
The breed question when you have a bowl, fork or
spoon fork. If I'm not using the chip, then I'm
using my fork.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
I mean, now we're talking about forking a burrito.

Speaker 3 (01:26:28):
See, I think that you need both.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Yeah, I can see that because once you start really
getting down to the dip you want to use, you
want to mix up the same Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
I mean this is just I don't know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:39):
Just now, Sam is old school burrito all the way. Yes,
I have, and I'm waiting for this conversation to wrap ups.
I just I had one bite of him, like that
was great and now I'm like, I was so proud
of Bobo is like me, man, he's just a power.
She empty that bowl in about seconds had a burritos,

(01:27:00):
so then we could call it a bo rito. I mean,
come on, jokes, we're missing out on Joe.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
All right, Well, I'm excited that Monsey thinks the same
way I do in terms of the chip with the bowl.
I like that burrito. Obviously on the road there's no
option there. Dude, Yeah, I can't do that. So all right, well,
I just wanted to clarify that. I also want to
ask you Rich about an event that happened yesterday, the
Kentucky Derby. Yesterday, it was hilarious because Bucky Brooks and

(01:27:34):
I were doing our show and they actually have a
longer pre race show than they have like for a
pregame show for the Super Bowl. It's like five or
six hours all for.

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
A two minute race.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
So I'm watching this and and yesterday morning I woke
up and just you know, turned on the TV. It
was on a news channel and they were the coronation
of King Charles the third had just completed, right, and
there was all this questioning whether the monarchy has any
bearing on the world in the twenty first century. You know,

(01:28:09):
you go back a thousand years and the Westminster Abbey
and everything else, and there's something to be said for tradition,
and there's something to be said about validity, like is
there any place for it?

Speaker 3 (01:28:21):
And I watch horse racing.

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
Yeah, horse racing is a sport of kings. I mean,
horse racing has a long, long history, way back in
the day. I mean this was the one hundred and
forty ninth running at the Kentucky Derby. Oh yeah, But
the headlines out of the Derby had nothing to do
with the race, where of course the favorite forty was
a late scratch and some anonymous horse ends up winning,

(01:28:46):
which by the way, happens a lot at the Derby
because it's such a crowded field. Upsets are the norm
at the Kentucky Derby. But the big headline was seven
horses dead right at Churchill Downs. And you know, I've
talked to this.

Speaker 3 (01:29:00):
We had the epidemic at Santa Anita where they all
these dead horses were and I'm just I'm trying to
look at it. I mean, what you talk about out
of touch, I mean we talk.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
About the the the people that are at a coronation,
you know, and they were trying to show some diversity,
you know, but overall, I mean it's you know, it's
not really all that diverse. And certainly it's the same
way in horse racing.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
A bunch of really rich people, you know, with their
kakamami cats, and to me, it just it looks out
of place. And then you have the added you know,
horror of these horses dying. I just I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
I'm trying to figure out have we played out? Because
I mentioned this in the nineteen fifties in this country,
there were four sports that dominated the headlines. They were
college football, not pro football, baseball obviously, boxing, and horse racing. Yep,
those were the full There were main headline sports in

(01:30:02):
this country seventy years ago. I just were is there
a place anymore for horse racing?

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Well? Look, even fun traditions eventually get to the point
where people people realized, like, maybe the negatives outweigh the positives.
You know, there's a beach nearby my house where I
live in San Diego that for years and years and
years allowed drinking. You know, didn't matter. You know, you
bring your beverages, your kegs, your bottles your cans down

(01:30:33):
to the beach. You know, you burn your fires when
the sun goes down and you have yourself a time.
And so it was a party for years, for decades.
People remembered this so fondly and it was a fun tradition,
but the reality was for the other days of the
week where people didn't feel like partying, you know, and
families were bringing their kids down to the beach. There
was broken glass. You know, there were people who you know,

(01:30:57):
would would sit down and injure them on paraphernalia that
was left over from the night of partying the day before.
The water was gross, like, there were problems, right, So,
even though it was a fun tradition, you know, summers especially,
they changed the rules. They made it so it was
a dry beach, you know, they put in a boardwalk,

(01:31:19):
they made it more of a tourist destination as opposed
to a local hang and you know what, it's better.
It's better now. So I don't know if the Kentucky
Derby is going to have a place in culture moving forward.
Things change, Attitudes change, you know, people have obviously a

(01:31:39):
much more sympathetic view towards animals now than they've ever
had in the history of this country. That's for sure,
you know, and it's very possible there will be a
day where, you know, the extravagance and the tradition of
this event and the the fun that it brings, because
it is fun. If you've never been to a horse

(01:31:59):
racing track, you know, if you can get over some
of the things that you just discussed, like that these
horses will sometimes will sometimes pass away in the act
of horse racing. You know, they can be a fun time.
Del Mar Race Track, you know, the Belmont, the Preakness,
the I mean, you know, go anywhere it's It's It's Saratoga.

(01:32:22):
I mean, there are famous tracks. There's a lot of
fun to be had. But but yeah, I mean, does
it still have a place in society. That's going to
be a question that's going to be asked more and
more over the next few decades.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
I remember the first time I ever went to a
race where a horse broke down on the track. You know,
they bring out the curtains and everything else, and it
just it was the weirdest feelings, like, Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:32:47):
I just witnessed the end of one of these giant,
majestic beasts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
It's like it's And by the way, Sam brought up
a point, and I've I thought Sam brought up a
really good point yesterday. Sam was like, why do we
have to put these animals down? I mean, I understand
if a race horse is bred to be that a
race horse and it breaks a leg and can no

(01:33:12):
longer obviously perform as a race horse. I don't know
the logistics I mean of a two thousand whatever how
much a way animal on those thin legs, whether if
they can't support themselves standing up, whether it can be repaired,
or even if they can never race again, can't they live?

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
Can't they go on in life?

Speaker 1 (01:33:33):
Yeah? But I mean I'm just letting you know this.
This is a guess. This is a guess. I don't
know this for sure, but if I were to guess,
the reason why they're put down is because it's cheaper.
I mean, like, let's think about it. So you're gonna
house a horse that will never race again, You'll feed
a horse, You'll put it out, you know, to pasture.

(01:33:55):
I mean, nobody's gonna buy a horse.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
No, no, And obviously it costs a lot of money
to me hating the horse and everything else, And.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
So I hate. I hate to be so blunt, but
but that's that's hey, listen, and that's part of the culture.
If that's true, that's my best guess I can offer you.
I've never actually researched it, but if I were to guess,
the reason why a lame horse is put down is financial, right,
And that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Again.

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
It's an interesting sport, man, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:34:25):
And I'm just it just seem weird.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
On a day of this coronation of King Charles, first
coronation by the way, in seventy years since his mother
was coronated as the Queen of England. Then all of
a sudden, I'm watching, you know, the sport of kings,
you know, horse racing. I'm like, and then they pulled
all stops and Patrick Mahomes was there. By the way,
when did Dale Earnhard Junior become a correspondent for horse racing?

(01:34:51):
I was And by the way, he didn't even look
the same like he was like, you know, yuppieish.

Speaker 1 (01:34:57):
And everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:34:58):
It's sort of weird looking. It was crazy. It was like,
what's going on? I mean, all right, we get ready.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
The Lakers did a number on the Golden State Warriors
last night beyond this series.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
If there is a beyond for the Lakers, are they
a serious threat to win another NBA championship.

Speaker 3 (01:35:19):
We'll break it down for you. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
Steve Harbin and are at Charmberger Welcome back. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, and we are live from the tire
rack dot Com studios are getting ready for the start
of this game between the Sixers and the Celtics. By
the way, they're showing the Beard James Harden, who was
phenomenal in Game one of this series, forty five points,

(01:35:45):
Big three at the end of the game. Sixers went
on the road against the Celtics without Embiid, and then
Embiid comes back, he's his usual self and James Harden
just disappears. Yeah, it's just unbelievable how bad he was
in Game three, considering how great he was in Game one,

(01:36:07):
and you know, it's just it brings up a point
in that series. And really the kind of player that
James Harden is when he was at his peak with
the Houston Rockets, and you know, and he controlled the
basketball just an absurd percentage of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Essentially the ball was in his hands.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
You know about eighty five percent of the time, and
then he would take a three or do whatever he
did with the basketball. It's just interesting again when we
talk about bringing stars together to create so called super
teams with the idea of with all this talent, we
can't possibly not win a championship.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
There still has to be a level of chemistry, right
And yeah, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
Because I go all the way back to the formation
of really the first super team was when Wilt Chamberlain
was traded to the Lakers to join Elgin Baylor and
Jerry West. And I'm telling you, everyone thought this is absurd,
They're gonna go eighty two to zero. But in order
to get Chamberlain, the Lakers had to give up some
pretty valuable pieces. And when they had three superstars on

(01:37:16):
the court simultaneously, you're reminded, you may have three superstars
on the court, but there's only one basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:37:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yeah, And so watching Harden struggle to be the guy
who was in Game one when Embiid's on the floor,
I'll be interested to see what happens coming up in
this matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Yeah, because look, this is Embiid's team. Harden joined mid
season to see if this could work. But it's Embiid's team,
Kevin Durant moving on from the Nuts and going to
the Suns. It makes more sense that the Suns can
find a way to make it work now against Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
Well, it worked the other night because Devin Booker was unconscious. Well, yeah,
twenty five shooting forty seven points. If he doesn't get
all those points, they're down three to zero in that series.

Speaker 1 (01:38:05):
Oh, I know, And I was gonna say it against
Denver for two games at least outside the Booker night.
It looks like this may not work this season, but
we've seen it in season pass where Kevin Durant can
play second fiddle to a Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
But he wasn't second fiddle Steph Curry. If anything, Steph
Curry became second fiddle to Kevin Durant. I always gave
Steph Curry credit for that because here he had won
back to back MVP awards and he really stepped back
to allow Durant to be the guy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
Well, the chemistry worked in Golden State, I guess, is
the way I'll phrase it, because there there were times
where Steph took over games. There were times that Clay
took over games. But they The way it worked was
because Clay and Steph are both perimeter shooters. Like it
kind of works having a ball dominant offensive creator who

(01:38:58):
could drive and kick. With Harden and Embiid, I mean,
think about their games. Their games are happening in the
same real estate. You know, whether Harden starts with the ball,
you know, coming down court and tries to iso, he's
finishing in the paint, or he's pulling up for three,
but he's creating for himself. Kind of the same thing

(01:39:20):
with Joel Embiid. I mean, he's a he's a he's
a He's a big man who finishes at the rim
for the majority of his points. He has a jump shot,
but he's finishing in the paint. Like that's what scared
you about Rockets Harden was the fact that he could
score from any spot on the floor. But he liked

(01:39:40):
to mix it up. He liked to isolate. He liked
to get into the paint, drive the lane, draw the foul,
make the hard shot. Like he he was that type
of player. He's a ball handler, and he was. He
was a great dribble drive artist. Now he's not quite
the same player he was. His his his skills have

(01:40:01):
no doubt, unquestionably faded, and Joe El Embiid is the
centerpiece of the game of that team now. But the
game comes down to this, how can we share the
same real estate? In Golden State, it wasn't as important.
But in in Philadelphia you have two massive stars coming
together who want to occupy the same real estate. And

(01:40:22):
I still think they're struggling to figure that out.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
But in the end, really what it comes down to
is this, who is your go to guy at the
end of the game. See, that's the thing when you
have multiple stars on the court at the end of
the game, who is going to be the guy that
we want to take that shot and for? And give
it credit to Steve Kerr and Klay Thompson and Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
When Kevin Durant was there, he became the go to
guy in those situations. They allowed him to do that.
I mean, look at the mess was in Dallas this
year with Doncic and Kyrie Irving. You could even the
uncertain one Luca being such a ball dominant guy and
all of a sudden he's got Kyrie Irving on the floor.
He just didn't know what to do and it was

(01:41:06):
a catastrophe.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
Well, what's amazing about this Nets super team that came
together with Harden and Irving and Durant is now they've
all separated off again, and I think all of them
are struggling to a greater or lesser extent to create
chemistry with their new teammates. Like Irving never felt like
a fit in Dallas, Harden it felt like maybe if

(01:41:30):
he was willing to relinquish some of what made him
special over the course of his career and sort of
subjugate himself a little bit to Joel Embiid and be
in service of Joel Embiid and sort of be a
role player, maybe it could have worked. But it hasn't.
And Kevin Durant for the large part of his time
in Phoenix has been injured, and now they're trying to

(01:41:50):
all get on the same page against arguably the best
team in the West, the Nuggets, during the postseason. It's
just interesting that to your point, this NBA that we're in,
the automatic assumption is put three powerhouses together, two or
three powerhouses together, we'll go win an NBA championship. But
as we know, as we've seen in the past, it

(01:42:12):
takes so much more than that to win well.

Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
And then we saw an NBA Finals matchup a year
ago between the Celtics and the Warriors with homegrown players
there were their nucleus was all from within the organization
and we were talking about this last year. Is this
going to be a new trend? Well, the answer was no.
I mean, teams are desperate to make deals to try
to add superstars to make a deep run in the playoffs.

(01:42:36):
We'll see how that plays out. We'll get into the
Lakers and they looked awfully good in that blowout win
against the Warriors. What are their chances of going all
the way? But first let's bring back finding.

Speaker 3 (01:42:46):
Out what's trending right now. Watzi's back. By the way, Matsia,
a buddy of mine, Ted Sobel, who's a long time
broadcast legend here in La, did send me an article
talking about the humane thing to do with these horses.

Speaker 2 (01:42:58):
He is to put him down because of those bodies
and they're very delicate legs.

Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
If they can't stand it, it's the human thing, of course,
it's the human thing.

Speaker 7 (01:43:08):
But in reality, we really don't need horse racing anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:43:11):
Oh you don't.

Speaker 7 (01:43:11):
It's it's an extravaganza where people want to dress up.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
You're exploiting yeah, animals, Yeah, for human entertainment. And it
is seven passed away right for this past race.

Speaker 7 (01:43:22):
Yesterday, I was just telling the guys. I was like,
good thing I wasn't working yesterday because I'm so against it.
I wouldn't have told you who won. I don't know
who one. I wouldn't have updated anybody.

Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
Oh, we had the epidemic of fatalities at sant Anita right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:34):
Oh, it was like what was twenty thirty? It was crazy.
It just everybody goes. I feel like because it's an.

Speaker 7 (01:43:40):
Extravaganza event where they get to dress up and they
get to do all these things.

Speaker 3 (01:43:45):
Guess what you can still do that.

Speaker 7 (01:43:46):
Just let's not use these horses anymore because it might
be the human thing.

Speaker 3 (01:43:50):
And I hear that, but also it's how we have
the Kentucky Derby without horses.

Speaker 7 (01:43:54):
Well, figure something else out, because I just I'm like,
I don't get.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
It, like a vegan substitute.

Speaker 7 (01:43:59):
No, if you can some suit, just do something. People
race each other and then dress up, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:44:06):
Race with with your costumes on. Yeah, would you ever
wear one of those ghastly hats, hats women are forced
to wear, apparently when they're at the derby.

Speaker 7 (01:44:19):
Remember I just said I barely wear my baseball caps.

Speaker 3 (01:44:21):
Absolutely not. I would not wear. Yes, yeah, I don't
get it. I don't I understand laurel arrangement or something
on your head.

Speaker 7 (01:44:31):
You know, it doesn't It does not call my name.
You couldn't pay me to go to any.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Race this way or put on that hand. No matter
how beautiful a woman is, putting that on their head
does not enhance their looks.

Speaker 7 (01:44:42):
No, no, I yeah, and again I I think people
have like such a good time. So it's like I
feel like there's a way where we can still do
this and maybe not have so many horses die.

Speaker 1 (01:44:52):
Well, you know, I got this text from Kirk Kennedy
of the San Diego Union Tribune and who listens to
our show. He says they'll definitely try to save horse
when it breaks down, but he had been told that
the horses can't keep up with the healing process. So
even if this happened off a track. Yeah, Like if
a horse breaks is like surgeries and things like that.

(01:45:13):
They're so prone to infection and they have to stay
on their feet that they actually can't handle the healing
process so.

Speaker 2 (01:45:19):
That they can't lay in bed for two months to
let a broken leg heel.

Speaker 3 (01:45:24):
Doesn't that just sound awful? Like even knowing all that?
But again, it doesn't have to happen. We are here
exploiting animals for human entertains, right, And I just and
a lot of people say, what's the big deal. It's
an animal, They're expanded, and.

Speaker 7 (01:45:38):
I want to punch those people. I know, Listen, I
do what am I supposed to be talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
Sports? Okay?

Speaker 7 (01:45:44):
Well, guys, and Game four between the Celtics and the
seventy six ers is.

Speaker 3 (01:45:48):
About to tip off.

Speaker 7 (01:45:49):
Boston does lead the series two to one, and then
at eight pm Eastern Time will be the tip off
between the Nuggets and the Suns. It's also their Game four.
Denver leads that series two to one. We also have
three Game three's in the NHL today for the Stanley
Cup playoffs. The first one is between the Hurricanes and
the Devils. That one is about to tip off three
thirty pm. You not tip off is where the puck
drops at three thirty pm Eastern time. Carolina does lead

(01:46:10):
that series to zero. In Major League Baseball kept telling you, guys,
the Orioles and the Braves, they're tied.

Speaker 3 (01:46:15):
They're still tied. Finally somebody won. And the pitch on
the way. He is hitting the air and hitting well
left center. Quick hitt on his horse, racing back, looks up,
hits the base of the row around third and scorings
Hoey Alvey's Braves Worthy.

Speaker 7 (01:46:29):
Yeah, Braves Radio Network on the call. It was Michael
Harris the second with a walk off double as the
Braves beat the Orioles three to two in twelve innings.
Going on right now, Marlin's up on the Cubs one zero,
bottom of the fifth, The Cardinals, who have not been
well this year, three to one against the Tigers top
of the six The Royals up on the As two
to one, top of the sixth as well.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
The Yankees were.

Speaker 7 (01:46:51):
Kind of handling the Rays, and then now the Rays
are like, no, we're the Tampa Bay Rays.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
We're the best team in baseball.

Speaker 7 (01:46:56):
Now they're beating New York seven to six, top of
the seventh inning. Guardians still shutting out the Twins to
zero bottom of the eighth. The Rockies and the Mets
have been back and forth. Now Colorado is up ten
to five against New York. They're about to start the
sixth inning. Blue Jays beating the Pirates one zero bottom
of the second and the Phillies up on the Red
Sox four to one bottom of the eighth inning.

Speaker 3 (01:47:16):
Back to you guys, all right, Monsie, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
So yesterday before the Laker Warriors game, I was going
on this rant about why are we not taking the
Warriors seriously to repeat his NBA champions They had just
come off a game two blowout victory over the Lakers.
They're healthy, you know, Steph and Clay had a phenomenal

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game two. Draymond had a near triple double in the game.
Looney didn't start the game, but he came in. He's
been a rebounding machine. And then he got Wiggins, he
got pool On I'm like, why are we taking them
seriously as a NBA possible repeat champion? And then they
get blown out yesterday by the Lakers. Now I'm back

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on the why don't we take the Lakers seriously? Let
me have a healthy Lebron, a healthy ad, which we
said was a prerequisite for them to have any chance
to have a run in the playoffs, and then you
have a D'Angel Russell that comes up with the kind
of game that he had yesterday. I look at these
two teams, very similar teams, yes, the Warriors and the Lakers,

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where if everything is working for them, I don't think
there's a team out there that can beat them. Unfortunately,
we don't know which team's going to show up on
either one of these teams from a night to night basis.

Speaker 1 (01:48:36):
Well, here's the problem with watching a single game and
thinking you got everything figured out in the NBA, because
it is impossible for the Lakers to beat the Golden
State Warriors as badly as they did in Game three
and same same, And I'm talking about everybody healthy, everybody

(01:48:57):
on the court together, everybody playing as hard as they
and the same could be said about the Warriors in
Game two. Yeah, there's no reason why the Lakers, everybody healthy,
everybody trying as hard as they can, should ever be
beaten that badly. Here's the reason why it happens. Because
we're playing series. You don't see blowouts like that, or

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I should say, you rarely see blowouts like that in
March madness. You rarely see blowouts like that in the
college football semifinals. You rarely see you rarely see blowouts
like that in the NFL playoffs, and the reason is
single elimination. And that, to me, it sickens me that

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a team is willing to take their foot that far
off the gas pedal in the postseason. But when you're
playing seven game series, there comes a point in the
fourth quarter where these teams start making business decisions where
they start saying to themselves, Okay, we've lost this game,
so what do we care about more losing by thirty,
losing by thirty five, losing by forty, which we've seen,

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or being fresh for the next or excuse me, and
being fresh for the next game, or trying as hard
as we can and maybe not winning the game but
only getting beat by five, only getting beat by eight,
only getting beat by ten. See, that's the problem with
the NBA postseason for me is the Warriors in the Lakers.

(01:50:26):
This this should be, this should feel like a much
closer series than it actually is. But like you said,
because on Game two, the difference between Game two and
Game three was so stark Lakers dominance versus Golden State's
dominance that it sort of feels like, oh gosh, you know,
on any given night, I can make an argument for either.

(01:50:47):
The truth should be these two teams should be pridefully
battling as hard as they can, and it should be
hard to determine which team is better on any given night.

Speaker 2 (01:50:56):
You know, it's amazing to Mancha, I was thinking the
exact same thing. And by the way, it was in
the fourth quarter, it was like late third quarter in
both those games where the team losing just sort of said,
you know, I've had it, but throwing the towel. What
have we been talking about all season long with the
NBA load management, Well, you're not gonna have guys take
off games, although even we saw that with the Kawhi

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Leonard situation. Turnout he had a torminiscus, uh, you know,
and be even even the Looney sickness that kept him
from starting the other night for the Warriors. So in
lieu of load management, where you just take off a
game or two, can't do that in the postseason, but
you could take off.

Speaker 3 (01:51:34):
Half a game. Yeah yeah, And in a sense, that's
what has happened to the team's All Star games. It
becomes a load management within a game where you basically
just throw in the towel.

Speaker 1 (01:51:47):
Yep. Yeah, and it sickens me, dude, Like, I mean,
but that's.

Speaker 3 (01:51:51):
What we've seen the last two games of this Warriors.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Lakers series, absolutely where the losing team just checked out
at the end of the third quarter and so we're done.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
Can you imagine if like a Pistons bulls game between
MJ back like or a Pacers bulls game in the
Eastern Conference playoffs between MJ and Reggie Miller, Like, can
you imagine a team being okay with getting beat by

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thirty like? It just it's Look, the NBA has changed
these players. They don't they once once the game is over,
And like you said, Steve, it can occur in the
middle of the third quarter, the game's over, they're they're
they're moving like Lakers fans weren't moving on to Game
three in the third quarter. They weren't, but the Laker

(01:52:45):
players were. They were looking forward to Game three. And yeah,
you could say every look, you could say as nice
as things as you want about Klay Thompson, and I'm
here for it. I think he's one of the best
he's ever played in the NBA. But you know what
if every single one of those three pointers were contested.
Does he hit eight of them? It's just the hustle

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had left the Lakers and the same with the Golden
State Warriors in Game three. Look, I'll give flowers where
flowers is due. I appreciate hard fought game sevens like
those are the best. Game six is when there's true desperation.
You see it all the time in college basketball's postseason.
You see it all the time in college football's postseason.

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You see it all the time in the NBA. You
do not see it in the or excuse me, in
the NFL. You do not see it in the NBA.
And it's it's the fans are the people who pay.

Speaker 3 (01:53:37):
The worst hold on it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:38):
We did have a sixty five to seven championship game
in college football.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Ya, that is true. That is true.

Speaker 3 (01:53:43):
Sixty five.

Speaker 1 (01:53:45):
Seven that was That's not as bad as it can get.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
And apparently the Chargers are so impressed they took their
entire receiving corps that of TCU. All right, coming up,
I know I have been inundated with people clamoring saying,
when are you going to talk about the biggest sporting
event of today. We will right now coming up. This

(01:54:09):
is Fox Sports Sunday Steve Harbin and Rich Arnberger Fox
Sports Sunday Live from the tirag dot com studios.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Sam, why did you choose this song? Is it not obvious?
I understand, I'll kick get it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:27):
So we have been remiss in talking about the single
biggest sporting event today, and that, of course, is the
much anticipated XFL championship game between the DC Defenders and
the Arlington Renegades. By the way, the Arlington Renegades record
this season was four and six, the DC Defenders coming

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at nine to one. If you're wondering how four and
six team ends up in a championship game the XFL,
there are eight teams divided to two divisions of four.
The top two teams in each division play a game
to determine who ends up in the championship game, and
the Arlington Renegades upset the Houston Roughnecks to get to

(01:55:13):
this championship game against the DC Defenders.

Speaker 3 (01:55:16):
All right, so all kidding aside.

Speaker 2 (01:55:18):
Here, and by the way, Bob Stoops happens to be
the coach of this Arlington team. But this means that
a second full season of the reincarnated XFL has survived
at least through a championship game. And remember the Rock,
Dwayne Johnson, Danny Garcia, she was part of this new
takeover as far as running the XFL. While this championship

(01:55:43):
games going on. Of course, the USFL season is already
well underway, and we go back to this idea of
spring football or non NFL football and its survival chances. What,
if anything, does the XFL surviving a second full season
mean for the future of this league and leagues like it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Look, if you are going to if you're gonna try
to make an upstart league, the most important thing you
need is attention, something that's gonna grab people for a
reason different than than whatever is being supplied by these
other sports leagues, because it's such a competitive space, you know,

(01:56:28):
the NBA postseason. Even though we were just talking about
some of the obvious disadvantages the NBA postseason has had
this season and many seasons recently, with you know, star
players taking off the end of these important postseason games,
it's it's still having one of its better postseasons. So like,

(01:56:50):
if if you're the XFL or if you're the USFL,
how do you compete? You gotta have a rule change.
You've gotta got you gotta have a hook. You've got
to have some sort of gimmick that has people really excited.
I just don't think that the XFL or the USFL
has quite found it yet. Like the betting aspect of
it they you know, I mean, I'm sure there are

(01:57:12):
people who bet on these games, but that hasn't really
taken off. I mean, they they needed to, they needed
to do some some thinking about this before they launched
this product and said, Okay, we're playing football, and obviously
that's huge in the United States, But what's our hook.
It's like having a song without a chorus. Yeah, it

(01:57:34):
might be a great song. I mean, you may have
great lyrics, you might have beautiful music, but but it
is a catchy. Like these these leagues, their biggest problem
is they're not catchy.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Steve, by the way, if this Renegades team, I actually
say this, This Arlington Renegades team, Yeah, making it to
a championship game is arguably the worst team in an
professional sport ever to get to a championship game. In
their ten games this year, they scored ten touchdowns and

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gave up twenty one touchdowns. Oh wow, so they scored
a total of ten touchdowns in a ten game.

Speaker 3 (01:58:18):
Season, and they gave up twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
And they gave up twenty one touchdowns, and yet they
find themselves in the league championship game.

Speaker 1 (01:58:29):
They have a points differessial of negative seventy seven.

Speaker 3 (01:58:33):
Actually it's negative forty eight.

Speaker 1 (01:58:35):
Oh, okay, because forty eight because of field goals.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
They were good with field goals, but they weren't good
in actually getting the ball in the end zone. And
by the way, to give you an idea, the team
they're playing, the DC Defenders had thirty touchdowns this year.
In fact, there was only one other team in the
league that had under twenty five touchdowns. They had ten.
They were by far the worst in the league. And

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yet here they are in the championship game. This might
be Bob Stoop's best coaching job ever, all those years
at Oklahoma, and he's in the College Football Hall of Fame.
Doesn't that seem demeaning for a guy like Bob Steups.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
It's all takes his one shiny moment. Now, Bob Stoops,
he is, he's addicted.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
I mean parent, I mean he made a lot of
money at Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (01:59:21):
He retired on his own when he wasn't forced out
at Oklahoma.

Speaker 1 (01:59:25):
He just loves the sport and he can't quit it,
and uh, I get it. I mean, and you know
what at the other side of it is he may
launch or relaunch a couple of careers here coaching in
this league.

Speaker 3 (01:59:38):
So you know, that's that's it's just unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:59:42):
So there you go, all you XFL fans, should I
even say plural, Maybe there's an XFL fan out there.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
It is Defenders and the Renegades battling for the XFL
championship and I'm sure that h and by the way,
they to me at the out So we're gonna have
you know, I don't know what kind of crowd we're
going to see out there, We're going to do that.
We'll get back to them far more serious sport. That's
the NBA. What should we expect, Which teams ultimately are
gonna make their way all the way to the conference finals.

(02:00:13):
We'll break it all down. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:00:18):
This is.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
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this game, Celtics have a one point lead against the Sixers.

(02:00:45):
Obviously Philadelphia in desperate need of a win on their
home court to even up this series.

Speaker 1 (02:00:50):
You said they have one point lead games over.

Speaker 2 (02:00:52):
No, I know, game's over, but you know, it's interesting.
We were talking earlier about the Lakers and the Warriors
may in these last couple of games when they were
down big in the third quarter and sort of preserving themselves. Really,
this has been the case in most of these series.
I mean, we've had some very competitive games that have

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gone down to the wire, some exciting finishes, but when
games have sort of gotten away from a team, they
just check out. And this is again, this is following
the new way we watch the NBA with load management.

Speaker 3 (02:01:28):
Well, load management.

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Guys aren't going to take off games, but they may
take off within a game, and I think coaches are
coaching that way. I when I start seeing a Darvin
Ham putting his hands deepener in his pants, he loves
to he's one of those guys likes to keep his
hands in his pants when he's standing on the sidelines
like that.

Speaker 1 (02:01:47):
They pockets. You can't say in his pants.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
You have to say, okay, well, hands in his pockets,
in his pants, pockets with the thumbs hanging out.

Speaker 3 (02:01:56):
Like you know, you know, you know the look right
you sort of with the thumbs out.

Speaker 6 (02:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
I mean if you if you weren't specific about pockets,
that everybody would be thinking.

Speaker 2 (02:02:04):
Al Bundy, Well, sometimes adjustments are needed, of course.

Speaker 3 (02:02:09):
Yeah, of course I'm notorious for that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:12):
You know good.

Speaker 3 (02:02:13):
I mean you've seen that.

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
I mean, yes, you are not shy.

Speaker 3 (02:02:16):
I am not.

Speaker 2 (02:02:16):
About that about adjusting. But anyway, so I mean, this
is where we're at now, hopefully. I mean, this is
obviously a must win for the Sixers. You go down
three to one and head back to Boston. Things are
not looking good for you. But yeah, I mean it's
just this is the way the NBA is. Well, I
don't see any changes.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
How about this is a change because this will not influence,
you know, how many more games are played. This has
no bearing on like the television contracts. This really doesn't
affect the players outside of their effort their effort in
the postseason. Imagine if the NBA games when it got
to the postseason, if you outscored the team you're playing

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against by more than twenty points, for every single point
beyond twenty points you scored counted against them in the
next game of the series. So like, if you got
beat by thirty three points, well you start out in
a thirteen point deficit the next game. So it just

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it could.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
I'm okay, this is by the way, everyone, you remember
that All Star game thing where you had to get
to a magic number at the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (02:03:29):
Richard's a huge fan of this, by the way, Well,
I was, I like, well, here's the deal. I didn't
actually like how it ended up being being portrayed, and
like it was a little to.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
Our guys were throwing up half court shots at the
end of the game to try to win the game.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Oh no, yeah, it didn't work.

Speaker 3 (02:03:43):
It was ugly.

Speaker 1 (02:03:45):
But what I liked about it was that they tried
something new. Here's this thought process here though, I.

Speaker 3 (02:03:50):
Want to hear this again.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
So your thought process is, what if you if you
lose a game by thirty like the Warriors just did
to the Lakers. Yeah, then they have to work.

Speaker 3 (02:04:01):
They get a.

Speaker 1 (02:04:03):
They have a ten. So if you get beat by
more than twenty points, it's pretty simple when you think
about it. If you get beat by more than twenty points,
for every point scored on you beyond twenty points, it
counts against you in the next game of the series.

Speaker 2 (02:04:18):
Wow, now you think and again, I think your point
is valid. Like, if you've gotten this far into the season,
there's no way you should ever lose a game by
over twenty points.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
That's my point.

Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
The only reason you're losing by more than twenty more
time you're trying to lose by more than twenty, it's
or or.

Speaker 1 (02:04:34):
You've completely given up on this game. You're saying this
game is completely inconsequential to that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:39):
Like you're saying that any any point over twenty points
then is a deficit that you will incur in the
next game.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
Exactly. I like it exactly So I like the for example,
the Memphis Grizzlies. If there was a next game they
get beat by forty, they start with a twenty point
deficit in the next game. You know what I'm saying,
any any of these blowouts in the NBA, because the
reality is in today's NBA, you can cut a twenty

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point lead and still win a game. I truly believe
that with the way you know, you have sharpshooters from
beyond the three point arc. If a game is twenty
points in favor of one team or another, I still
think there's a way to win that. Well.

Speaker 2 (02:05:22):
We've seen games even in this postseason where teams have
been down twenty five plus and the final margin is
twelve exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
So that to me is now the line of d markets.
So if a team gets outscored by twenty, for every
point beyond twenty points they get outscored by, that will
count against them in the next game. So in Game four,
the Warriors, how much are going to be? Okay, they're
down ten nothing, ten nothing. They're down ten nothing to

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start Game four. You're welcome, try harder like that. To me,
that's a way you could get more spirited competition in
these NBA posts season. Look, is it a perfect fix? No?
Are we still gonna see blowouts? Yeah? And is it
gonna make some of these series shorter? Because sometimes you know,
when an eight seed runs into a one, they're just

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that much more dominant, and it's not gonna be that
much fun. But in a case like this Warriors Lakers series,
where I think these teams are way more even than
they looked in Game two in Game three, I think
it could help the series in a great in a
great way.

Speaker 3 (02:06:27):
I don't think it's terrible. I mean, obviously I'm not.

Speaker 2 (02:06:30):
You know, you're a fan of having a runner on
second base and extra innings, you know, And I really
like that. There's no explanation to that runner out there
other than the fact he just don't want to play
a lot of extra innings.

Speaker 1 (02:06:42):
It's just a ghost runner.

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
That's absolute ghost runner.

Speaker 2 (02:06:46):
By the way, early on in this game, James Harden
looks engaged. Okay, In fact, it was interesting. If you're
going to have Harden in isolation situation where he's you know,
monopolizing the basketball, then clear a lame for him if
he so chooses to make a run at the basket,

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because otherwise you're just going to have him sitting at
that three point land and that's a mixed bag. But
already seeing him getting into the free throw line a
couple of times, he's got six points early and beat
he's got seven points as well, I still look at
this Celtics team as the most complete team in the NBA,
and the advantage they would have over a team like
the Warriors or the Lakers is just age, you know.

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I mean Tatum and Smart and Brown, these are young guys.
Brognan has been a huge pickup for them. Six Man
of the Year. I still think the Celtics are the
team to beat. But then I saw that game against
Atlanta right where all of a sudden they lose on
a buzzer beater, and I'm like, what's going on here?
I mean, I mean, I just and really, what this

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gets down to is something you talked about earlier.

Speaker 3 (02:07:57):
These playoff series are way too long. Yeah, They're just
way too long.

Speaker 2 (02:08:01):
Four out of seven in every single round. Your playoffs
do not have to last two months.

Speaker 3 (02:08:11):
Two months.

Speaker 2 (02:08:12):
I mean potentially you're playing as many as twenty eight
games if you play all four rounds and it goes
seven games. Your regular seasons only eighty two games.

Speaker 1 (02:08:22):
They should have made it. So, they should have made it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:25):
Imagine if every series was two out of three.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
Oh dude, that I was about to say that. So
the play in I think is fine. You know, the
way they have the play in if you want to
have a playing tournament because you're trying to encourage some
of these teams to try a little bit harder down
the stretch of the season. Fine, Like I said, I'm
in favor of changes. I like ideas. It was an
idea that actually has in certain cases, encourage more competitive

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basketball down the stretch of the regular season. Does it
fix it?

Speaker 6 (02:08:54):
No?

Speaker 1 (02:08:54):
Does it help? Yeah? I could, I could make that argument.
It helps. Okay, so you do the plane well, then
outside of that, it should be best of three for
the first two rounds of the postseason. I mean, I
get it. Once you get to you know, the conference finals,
you want it to be out of seven. Sure, but

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I don't see a need for as many games as
are being played. The only reason for it is that
the NBA is aware that if they have big names
and large cities with teams and committed fan bases in
these postseasons, to have the New York fans engaged for
seven games, should the Knicks go seven games is better

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than having three games potentially, right, you know? And that's it.
It's all for the money and the advertising and the
broadcast right sales. It doesn't make a more competitive league.

Speaker 3 (02:09:52):
It doesn't.

Speaker 2 (02:09:53):
Indeed, this is a league, by the way, that has
made it clear that coaching is not a Three of
the last four NBA coaches to win the NBA Championship
have all been fired. On the other side, why even
have coaches in the NFL In the NBA. Has the

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NBA come to the point where the coach is completely
irrelevant in a league dominated by players having choices that
other athletes and other sports wish they had.

Speaker 3 (02:10:27):
The future of NBA coaching Coming up next.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
Steve Harman and Rich Armager Fox Sports Sunday, We are
Live from the tai Iraq dot Com Studios. Philadelphia has
now taken an eight point lead over the Celtics thirty
four to twenty six, ten minutes to go in the
first half in that game. For the coaches in this game, beware.
In twenty nineteen, Nick Nurse led the Toronto Raptors to

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an NBA championship.

Speaker 3 (02:10:55):
He was fired this year.

Speaker 2 (02:10:57):
The following year, Frank Vogel led the Lakers to an
NBA championship. He was fired before this season, And in
twenty twenty one, Mike Budenholzer led Milwaukee to an NBA championship, and.

Speaker 3 (02:11:08):
He just got fired as well. Three of the last
four NBA championship coaches are looking for employment. This is
a league where players have the power.

Speaker 2 (02:11:20):
They have the power in terms of where they want
to play, when they want to play, and that makes
it a challenge if you're a coach, because you're trying
to figure out the best way to sort of hold
the pieces together, or in the case of some of
these coaches, when you know big decisions are made by
the organization to bring in a bunch of new players simultaneously,

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and you got to make it all fit. Darvin Ham,
the Lakers done a good job, right. I mean, they
were going nowhere and then they brought in a bunch
of new players and he was told to make it work.

Speaker 3 (02:11:52):
And it's working.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
They've had the best record since since the post the
mid season of the All Star Game. So I mean,
some just can do that, others can't. But I'm just
trying to think in a league where the players have
as much clout as they do, more so in the
NBA than some of the other professional sports leagues, what
exactly is the role of a head coach these days

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in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (02:12:18):
I think they are a figurehead and and a little
bit more than that. But like so let's uh, let's
let's sort of just think about all the ways that
they can impact the team. Many more of them are
are positive than they are negative, actually, because I I look,

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I mean, you hear this from NBA players. I mean,
there are certain certain good coaches out there who understand
their personality, the personalities of their players, and they understand
when to call timely timeouts, they know, they understand clock management,
they can make good suggestions, and all of that leads
you to being considered a great coach these days. Everybody

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who gets to the NBA level now has been well coached,
whether it's at the AAU level before college, or college
during their time there, or in the NBA, I mean
the G League in certain cases before actually playing in
the league. All these guys are well coached. Every team
is running the same defenses, every team is running the
same plays. I mean, there's very little variety there. It's

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the coaches who can get the most out of their rosters,
who can control the personalities, who can keep these guys
associating with each other in a positive way as opposed
to having you know, intra team rivalries and things like
that that are going to detract from the overall goal,
which is to win a championship. But it is a

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player run league, So how do you exert that control
in that power without pissing off star players? The guys
who are the best at that, like the zen Master,
Phil Jackson during has run with the Bulls and then
the Lakers, or Steve Kerr with this new dynasty the
Golden State Warriors, I shouldn't say nude, this dynasty over
the past decade, the Golden State Warriors. Those type of

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coaches are considered the best because they're tremendous at controlling
and operating personalities. While while you know, in possession of
true stars, I mean Greg Popovich did it for years
in San Antonio was wildly successful.

Speaker 2 (02:14:26):
I'll give you another that. I'll give you another one,
and that is the Miami Heat. The pat Riley Eric
Spolstra regime has lasted a long time now, Yeah, and
those that understand and why Miami is successful and why
the Heat are where they are right now, and obviously
a lot of attention on Jimmy Butler, but they are
they have a very set.

Speaker 3 (02:14:47):
Way of doing things. From pat Riley to Eric Spolstra
and they don't waver from that. Obviously Pop has his way.

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
You mentioned Steve Kerr or the Warriors, which means it's
still possible to you have that kind of control in
terms of the narrative for your team, and then either
you fit or not.

Speaker 3 (02:15:07):
I mean, look what the Spurs did with Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
If he wasn't gonna play their game, they got rid
of them. And they're obviously hoping this kid out of
France with the really long name that they get the
number one overall pick, and there's all what wasn't bad
Nava or whatever?

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (02:15:24):
I mean, this kid really seven three is ridiculous. He
can do a lot of things, and maybe they're hoping
that that's going to be their new David Robinson, their
new Tim Duncan.

Speaker 3 (02:15:31):
But I'm wondering if if anyone else beyond those franchises
in the NBA can do it. I mean, once they're gone,
will any other team be able to have that kind
of control where we have a way of doing things.
Because you played in the NFL with the Ultimate and
Bill Belichick, where he has complete control of an organization,

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every facet of that organization, and either you fit or
you don't fit, and obviously with great deal success, But
I don't know beyond what the Warriors still have to
some degree the spurs, certainly the heat right now, whether
that can be duplicated moving forward in the NBA, it.

Speaker 1 (02:16:11):
Can, and what it takes is a special person, I
mean coaching. Like, think about the names that we just
mentioned in this little diatribe. You know, Steve Kerr, Greg Popovich.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
And pat Riley and pat.

Speaker 1 (02:16:24):
Riley, I mean for years, Eric Spolstro has been in
Miami forever and has had success. These guys, what they
all have in common is to me, there's a a
certain level of calmness, a certain level of gravity that
they create when they speak. There's a certain respect that

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they command. Look, Steve Kerr isn't an intimidating character, you know,
I wouldn't describe him that way. Bill Belichick probably intimidates
some people, especially the way it comports himself at the podium.
I certainly felt that way about him as a coach
when you were sitting in squad meetings because his intellect,
his football intelligence is what was so intimidating, and the

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fact that he had been so successful at it for
as long as he had, but at some point he
had to be just starting out too. He had to
win over a room too. And how do you do that.
It's by applying a plan and being unwavering in your
application of that plan, and then to show the players
that it works, whether it be in winning or them

(02:17:33):
actually being able to feel like they're improving together and
on their way towards something like we don't know it yet,
but for all we know, for example, Dan Campbell in
Detroit with the Detroit Lions could be the next Bill Belichick.
Like he may be building a culture there right now
that works for the next two decades. And maybe we're

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entering an era of dominance where the Detroit Lions are
going to be good for a long time. We don't
know yet because they're still building that culture. My point
is it's hard to see beyond where we're at, Like
we're living in present times and right now it sort
of feels like, well, who's going to be the next
Steve Kerr? I can't tell you, but I can tell

(02:18:16):
you this, there will be a next Steve Kerr because
after Phil Jackson, people are like, well, who's going to
be the next Phil Jackson? It's difficult to determine because
we're talking about one of the greatest who's ever done it.
But eventually there will be somebody who just gets it.
They're intelligent enough, they have a beat on the personalities
in their locker room, They understand how to communicate effectively.

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They develop players, They hire a staff of talented coaches
that can help them develop these players, and they make
good decisions in crunch time that help their players have
success when the moments matter the most. Again, Popovich had it,
and Jackson had it, and Kerr clearly has it. We'll
see what the NBA has to provide in this player

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roun league. But eventually there's going to be another coach
who breaks through.

Speaker 3 (02:19:06):
Well, let's make it clear.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
Budenholzer and there was a lot made that his father
brother recently passed away.

Speaker 3 (02:19:12):
It was just inhumane. How you get fired after he's
going with grieving. Look at there's there's only one person
that made this decision.

Speaker 2 (02:19:19):
That was Giannis. Giannis did not come to the defense
of Budenholzer. Good of And when you look at Giannis's contract,
he's guaranteed contract for the next two years. And then
you're looking at a player option in twenty five twenty six,
A lot of people were surprised when Giannis decided to
stay the you know, with this last round of contracts

(02:19:40):
to stay in Milwaukee, that he might explore because he
hadn't even won a championship yet. But then all of
a sudden, he wins a championship. Maybe changes the dynamic.
And it will be interesting to see though, if whoever
they bring in it doesn't produce a championship over the
next couple of years with Giannis, whether he opts out
of that fifty two million dollar player option, I think

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a little hard, wouldn't it to leave fifty two million
on the table. I mean, it was just saying, here's
fifty two million. Please, don't don't insult me.

Speaker 1 (02:20:13):
I mean, but the idea of.

Speaker 3 (02:20:15):
Going, yeah, but but Bodenholzer's situation, Look, they were trending
in the wrong direction. I wasn't surprised, No.

Speaker 2 (02:20:22):
Especially the way that series with Miami went down where
they blew those double digit leads and he wasn't calling timeouts.
I mean I was I was like waiting for Budenholzer
to be fired after that.

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
You know, you mentioned Belichick and I'll tell you one
of the most important things I learned from Bill Belichick
while I was in New England, Like when everybody talks
about the moments that win or lose you a game,
like there are so many people who will defend Hey,
it wasn't just that moment that there were so many

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other moments where the team could have been better. What
about this play? What about that play? What about this
time out called? What about that time out called? And
don't get me wrong, Bill Belichick, the New England Patriots organization,
they cared about every play, but they especially cared about
the plays. And everybody knows what the plays are. It's

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that final catch on a crucial third down. It's the
wide open receiver in the end zone who catches the
ball instead of dropping it. It's the forty two yard
field goal that's going to put the game into overtime
at the end of regulation. It's the big run that
helps you solidify a narrow lead, get a first down,

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and then put the team away during four minute offense. Like,
it's those plays that everybody remembers for good reason. It's
because those are clutch plays. Clutch plays being clutch, it's
something that you have to practice It's something that has
to be I mean, drilled into the muscle memory of

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the athletes on your field. You have to practice it
at practice. You have to turn on the clock at
practice and practice buzzer beaters, game saving inbound plays. You
have to practice fouling. When is it the right time
to foul, win is it the wrong time to foul.
You have to create scenarios where everybody on the court

(02:22:21):
understands what the situation is and when a timeout needs
to be called. Budenholzer during that elimination game made some
unquestionably poor coaching choices. The fact that he didn't call
the time out after the Jimmy Butler layup was ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:22:39):
I would have fired him during the game.

Speaker 1 (02:22:42):
It's one of those things. Man, you gotta be clutch,
and if you're not, you have to understand the consequences
of not being clutched, because they're gonna get rid of
players who, if they get the ball in their hand,
can't hit the game winning three, can't hit the game
tying shot, can't make the layup when they're supposed to,
aren't smart to call the time out on court when
they need to when they get possession back and it's

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an important part of the game. End a half, end
a game, you'll they'll get rid of players for not
being clutched. So the same thing at coaching, and I
understand I sympathize for the head coach, you know, getting fired,
you know, for coach Bud if he's listening to us today,
My heart breaks for you because losing a family member
the same week that you lose your job and lose

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the postseason bid that you had as a favorite to
win the championship number one overall. See, that's heartbreaking. But
at the same token, he's a coach. He understands what
it means to be a coach. And if you're not clutched,
they'll find somebody else who is.

Speaker 3 (02:23:42):
And he'll get another opportunity. That's a that's a guarantee.

Speaker 2 (02:23:45):
All right, let's find out what's trending right now as
we welcome back Moncie. And of course, not every NBA
organization has the kind of stability that your beloved Clippers have.
I mean, let's face it, they maintain again they're un
blemish record of never winning a championship and that they
have not deterred from.

Speaker 3 (02:24:06):
What apparently is their long term goal of how many
years can we be in existence right and never win
an NBA chance? I hope, I hope we ruined that soon.

Speaker 2 (02:24:16):
By the way, the original Clippers were the Buffalo Braves.
They were part of a three team expansion in nineteen seventy.
The other two franchises were the Portland Trailblazers and the
Cleveland Cavaliers, both of which have won a single championship
in their history.

Speaker 3 (02:24:36):
Yes, so the day will come, I believe. I mean,
thank you for bringing all that up, and I just
want to put some perspective of it. We show that
level of consistency of never winning ever for over fifty years.
The Potterys know that I don't know what I did
to mister Harvion today. I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (02:24:54):
I know he's over here p and inurios.

Speaker 3 (02:24:58):
I'm a man a routine as people know. I mean
every Sunday, Manzi sees me in the same shirt, jeans,
shoes and cap. So it's true. But I mean I
didn't know I was gonna have to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (02:25:11):
As you know, picking on you at one thirty is
something that I traditionally have done. I will take saying.

Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
That there's a lot to be said about stability. There
is thank you for that, Steve, thank you. Let's move
on to the game's currently going on. You know what
is trending and what people are talking about, and it's
James Harden who has come to life. In the second.

Speaker 7 (02:25:34):
Quarter, he has eighteen points for the seventy six ers.

Speaker 3 (02:25:37):
He's actually leading.

Speaker 7 (02:25:38):
All the scores, and Philly is beating Boston forty seven
to thirty three with less than five minutes to go
in the second quarter. James Harden did something really awesome
for this game. If you remember the Michigan State shooting,
there was a survivor, John Howe, who was a student
from China. He is at this game and when that happened,
James Harden, you know, facetimes in the hospital and told

(02:26:00):
them I'm going to bring.

Speaker 3 (02:26:01):
You to a game. So he's at this game, which
is really awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:26:04):
Game four and again Philly up forty seven to thirty three,
four minutes to go in the second quarter. But on
the ice, it's Game three between the Hurricanes and the Devils,
and New Jersey is all over Carolina. Threes zero is
the score after the first period. Carolina leads this series
two to one. In Major League Baseball, it is still
a tie game between the Yankees and the Rays.

Speaker 3 (02:26:24):
Bottom of the ninth inning.

Speaker 7 (02:26:26):
They're playing in Tampa, tied at seven apiece.

Speaker 3 (02:26:29):
The Royals beating the A's five to one. Top of
the ninth inning. The Cardinals might finally win one.

Speaker 7 (02:26:34):
They had lost eight in a row, but they're beating
the Tigers ten to six. They're about to start the
eighth inning. The Marlins and the Cubs are tied at
two a piece. Bottom of the ninth inning. Plane in Chicago,
Brewers beating the Giants to zero. This is early bottom
of the second inning, and the Angels have scored first
against the Rangers three zero, top of the second inning.
White Sox up on the Reds two to one. Top
of the second inning as well. The Rockies scored seven

(02:26:57):
runs in the seventh inning alone, and they're beating the
Mets in New York twelve to six. They're about to
start the bottom of the ninth inning, and the Blue
Jay is still shutting out the Pirates five zero, top
of the sixth inning. It's been fun, guys, aside from
this Clipper attack.

Speaker 3 (02:27:12):
I was fun. I was celebrating the Clippers. Yeah, yeah,
that's what that was. They've got a formula of the yeah,
not be broken. I don't like you, thank you, back
to you.

Speaker 2 (02:27:25):
Guys, and they name any sports fan that would not
dream of having an owner that is amongst the ten
wealthiest people on the planet.

Speaker 7 (02:27:32):
That's not what we're talking about right now. We're not
talking about wealthy owners. We're talking about bad consist You know.

Speaker 3 (02:27:39):
What's going to happen. They're eventually going to move into
that a new arena.

Speaker 2 (02:27:42):
Not this artcoming season, but the twenty four to twenty
five season, and that's going to be the year they're
going to be crown NBHL.

Speaker 3 (02:27:48):
Oh goodness, that's a lot of pressure. Yes, so put
it out there.

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:27:51):
Ye, put it out there. Still with Paul George, half
of the regular say health.

Speaker 1 (02:28:01):
I don't know, probably less than a half.

Speaker 3 (02:28:04):
Again, again, what did I do? Nobody chose violence.

Speaker 2 (02:28:09):
This is self induced because you chose to be a
Clippers fan. See, we didn't force you to choose the
Clippers as your team. You did that knowing everything there
is to know about the Clippers history.

Speaker 7 (02:28:21):
My defense, I was forced into it by family.

Speaker 3 (02:28:25):
No, no, no, it's a free I did.

Speaker 7 (02:28:28):
Not I didn't grow up knowing there were options. I
just grew up being told I was a Clipper fan.

Speaker 3 (02:28:33):
Everybody in your families are Clippers. We're all Clipper fans.
Come on everything. I hear your mom's a closet Lakers fan,
isn't that true?

Speaker 7 (02:28:41):
No, no, no, But my mom does love Lebron James
and she hates Steph Curry.

Speaker 3 (02:28:47):
Okay, well I'm starting with her on that one.

Speaker 7 (02:28:50):
She hates Steph Curry, she can't stand them, but she
loves Lebron.

Speaker 2 (02:28:53):
Yeah, I'm not. I'm not a Warriors fan. I admire
what they've done.

Speaker 7 (02:28:56):
I like Curry. I'm a fan of Curry. Oh and
she loves Chris Paul more than.

Speaker 3 (02:29:00):
I still haven't got one.

Speaker 2 (02:29:01):
Steph Curry when he first hit the scene when they
won that first championship in twenty fifteen, kept parating his
daughter out.

Speaker 3 (02:29:07):
Yeah yeah, I still does.

Speaker 1 (02:29:09):
That was that was it?

Speaker 3 (02:29:12):
I know That's what annoyed you.

Speaker 2 (02:29:13):
And Riches heard me called Steve Kerr smug many times. Yeah,
like he he literally defines the word smug.

Speaker 3 (02:29:22):
Yeah, I definitely.

Speaker 7 (02:29:23):
I'm not a fan of the Warriors and I'm not
a fan of Kerr, but I do like Curry.

Speaker 3 (02:29:27):
I think he changed the game and I like him. Yeah,
did he change it for the better? I think so? Really,
I think so.

Speaker 2 (02:29:34):
I mean, maybe you enjoy everybody standing at the three
point land, including big guys.

Speaker 3 (02:29:38):
You know when I was in high school, that's what
I was doing. I was just taking threes.

Speaker 1 (02:29:42):
Yeah, Foxy. Also, let's just be honest with these Nobody
can see you right now.

Speaker 3 (02:29:48):
You're like four foot eleven, right.

Speaker 7 (02:29:50):
So, I mean that's you know what I'm saying, exactly exactly,
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:29:57):
I would just hide in one of the corners and
wait for the ball, and I would just shoot it.

Speaker 1 (02:30:01):
And today's a dynamite.

Speaker 3 (02:30:02):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:30:03):
There you have it all right, Well, Mansey, have a
tremendous rest of your day.

Speaker 3 (02:30:08):
You two guys. By the way, Rich, I've got news
for you.

Speaker 2 (02:30:12):
I have found out where you are going to be
in either late March or early April of next year.

Speaker 3 (02:30:20):
Okay, you're going to be in South Korea.

Speaker 1 (02:30:24):
I will. I knew it. I knew you're.

Speaker 2 (02:30:27):
Going to be in South Korea because the Podreys and
the Dodgers are going to open their twenty twenty four
season with a pair of games in South Korea.

Speaker 1 (02:30:38):
Wow, I am there.

Speaker 2 (02:30:42):
Okay, So let me ask you this baseball is America's pastime, correct,
the Dodgers and the Podres, like this is a big
rivalry now Major League Baseball. What benefit is there for
Major League Baseball to open up season with a hot

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rivalry and have those games played in South Korea?

Speaker 1 (02:31:09):
I can explain this easily. Okay, So think about the
proximity of the teams that played in this most recent
Mexico City International Series. It was the San Francisco Giants
and actually the San Diego Padres. So they go down
south of the border in Mexico City and they absolutely

(02:31:31):
sell out Halu Stadium down there in Mexico City, I
mean filled to the rafters, tremendous amount of excitement, and
it was, at least for Game one, a high scoring affair.
There were I think twenty plus runs scored between the
two teams. And when you have opportunities like that geographically

(02:31:52):
close to areas, you can expand your fan base or
you can appease a fan base, because clearly they're a
Major League Baseball fans down in Mexico. Now, the reason
why it makes sense for the Dodgers and the Padres
to go out to Korea is because of the influence
that the KBO has had in Korea. I mean, Latin
America isn't the only feeder to the MLB.

Speaker 2 (02:32:14):
Why open this season there, I under stam Havy. Maybe
in an in season games a long year. What's the
you know, just like the recent series between the g
You're saying, why opening day opening day?

Speaker 1 (02:32:25):
Well, because as we know, opening day doesn't really matter.

Speaker 3 (02:32:31):
It does in baseball.

Speaker 2 (02:32:32):
Well, heay is a little significant day in baseball at the
All Star Game.

Speaker 1 (02:32:36):
Yes, but opening Day doesn't really happen until your team
has opening Day at their ballpark. So like many like
many teams, in fact, half of the teams in Major
League Baseball on the official opening day of Major League Baseball,
half of the teams are on the road, and they are.

Speaker 2 (02:32:52):
Also for time. I just got a text from Isaac
Loan Crime. I love he brings this up. He goes,
it'll be the first game for show he Otani with
his new team, either there or the Dodgers.

Speaker 1 (02:33:06):
Well, and there's that. Well, now, Show hee Otani is
from Japan. For still, it gives Japanese fans an opportunity,
which is a close flight from Tokyo to uh Seoul,
South Korea. I promise you uh to get over and
see show. Hey Otani, should he be playing with the
Dodgers or the Padres?

Speaker 6 (02:33:25):
So?

Speaker 1 (02:33:25):
I mean there, look and and Hasun Kim is a
Korean born KBO star who came over to the Padres.
So there's a lot of interest.

Speaker 2 (02:33:35):
And as a wildly popular player in San Diego, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (02:33:39):
No, So look there's I guess my point is this,
like while the NBA obviously is expanding its borders and
has for years, you know, taken to having European born
players in their league and foreign born players yao ming
in their league. They they they've adopted the idea of

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it's a world game now. Same thing with the NFL.
They got back onto the bandwagon of putting the game
out internationally after NFL Europe ceased to exist. You know,
they're playing games in Germany again this upcoming season. The
Patriots will play in Germany this season. So baseball is
just following suit. They've been playing games in London, like
I mentioned, Mexico City. You're gonna see Major League Baseball

(02:34:24):
do this routinely. I promise you. Especially with West Coast
teams going out to Asiam.

Speaker 2 (02:34:30):
Playing all right a week from today, potentially there could
be three game sevens in these conference semi finals in
the NBA. Which series is most likely to get to
a game seven? We'll tell you this is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 4 (02:34:51):
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Speaker 6 (02:34:57):
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Speaker 3 (02:35:42):
Is that a Mariners cap?

Speaker 2 (02:35:44):
Yes, yes it is, and we are sampling the Seattle
Pilot's cap. A lot of people do not know that
the Milwaukee Brewers first season they were the Seattle Pilots.

Speaker 1 (02:35:54):
I did not know that.

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
Yeah, the there was expansion in baseball four teams in
nineteen sixty nine and Diego Padres, the Montreal Expos are
now the Washingon Nationals, the Kansas City Royals, and the
Seattle Pilots who after one season moved to Milwaukee to
become the Brewers after they bought by a guy named
Bud Selig and sort of cool caps back in the day. Moncey,

(02:36:19):
by the way, tremendous job. And one thing I love
about Moncey is that she's not shy to speak her
mind on any subject matter.

Speaker 3 (02:36:29):
Fair, that's fair.

Speaker 9 (02:36:30):
Moncey was just doing some scores just out of the blue.
I put her mic up and there's scores being read.

Speaker 3 (02:36:35):
That's okay. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:36:40):
Actually, with our new system here in the new studio,
still we have to understand that if you push a
certain button, it may actually lead to some level of embarrassment. Yes,
of course, if there's the wrong button, somebody could be
on the air that isn't thinking they're on the air.

Speaker 3 (02:36:58):
I've made several mistakes.

Speaker 1 (02:37:00):
I want to just say that I thought the at
first the ejector seats were silly, but now I understand
them because I can't wait to employ this on Monci.

Speaker 2 (02:37:13):
Yeah, that very very good, Thank you. Okay, let's talk
about potential game sevens. By the way, we could be
sitting here a week from today with three game sevens.
The Phoenix Denver series would have a Game seven a
week from today, The Sixers Celtics would have a Game
seven a week from today, and the Lakers Warriors would

(02:37:36):
have a Game seven a week from today. The Miami
Knicks series, if it goes to game seven, would be
on Monday, the following day, on the fifteenth. So if
I'm looking at these four series right now, all of
them two to one series after three games, Rich, Yes,
which series do you believe.

Speaker 3 (02:37:53):
Is most likely to get to a Game seven?

Speaker 1 (02:37:58):
I mean, is this even a question? I mean, come on,
we know which one. It's Warriors Lakers.

Speaker 3 (02:38:06):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:38:07):
Now again, I'm not one of these people who it's like, oh,
the NBA script writers are busy again, and I'm not
saying that, but let's put it this way. If there
is a game of more interest from the standpoint of
the size of the markets who are involved, and also
the the avidness of the fan bases to go seven games,

(02:38:34):
which which legs would be the most beneficial for them, Well.

Speaker 2 (02:38:38):
The most beneficial you lead out the biggest draw leron
versus stet these are still there. I'm not saying they're
the two best players in the league, but they're the
two biggest stars in the league.

Speaker 1 (02:38:50):
There's no question. So Steve, like again, I'm not saying
that officials are in the pocket of the league.

Speaker 3 (02:38:57):
To make sure that's certainly why not say say the.

Speaker 10 (02:39:01):
I'm just gonna say, I'm just gonna say, if there's
a way to finally tune the officiating in these games
so that yeah, we have seven games, I think that's
the game where I could or the series where I could.

Speaker 2 (02:39:14):
Well, I would say probably the second then would be
Boston Philly.

Speaker 1 (02:39:17):
Well yeah, yeah, those are two enormous fan bases.

Speaker 3 (02:39:21):
I mean, Denver Phoenix. Yeah, let's get that one over
as quickly as possible.

Speaker 2 (02:39:27):
And the Knicks Miami. I love how they've been trying
to play up the rivalry between the Knicks and the Heat,
and they keep showing Jeff Van Gunny grabbing the leg,
you know, oh right, yeah, yeah, like that's that doesn't
make a rivalry when you have Jeff Fan Gunny grabbing
a leg, that just saysn't.

Speaker 1 (02:39:41):
Quite do it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:42):
I would agree with you, so, uh yeah, any of that.
So that would be the schedule.

Speaker 3 (02:39:46):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:39:47):
I think we'll have at least one game seven, but
I'm going to be bold enough to say there will
be at least two game sevens. We come back on
next Sunday. All right, So right now, phill if you
leading this game against Boston. Later, we got Denver in Phoenix.
It's a very busy time of the year, which is
a good excuse for you to stay right where you are.

Speaker 3 (02:40:08):
Keep it right here. This is Fox Sports Radio.

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