Steve Hartman and Rich Ohrnberger talk Wimbledon & Aaron Rodgers!

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All right, we got an exciting men's final going on
right now at Wimbledon. Djokovic with a five to three
lead in the fourth set, trying to get it into

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a fifth set.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
We're all over that today.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
But rich I got to start off the show today
with you talking about history being made by yours truly now.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yesterday on the show, Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Was on assignment, so in came Carrie Rhoads, former NFL
player turn actor, and I mentioned the fact that I
teammate exactly the point. I become the first person ever
in the history of radio to have hosted on consecutive

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days two different members of the twenty twelve Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
It has never been done before.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
And I but here's the best part, Richon, So I
mentioned this to Carry yesterday and I said, so did you.
I mean, you know, Rich is an offensive lineman. You're
a defensive back. Did you have much interaction with Rich?
And he says, oh, yeah, you know Rich was like
this really serious minded guy, and uh yeah yeah. And

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I'm like, so, in other words, you did not know him.
I mean, no one has ever accused you, you're in
your football career or any time in your life, of
being a serious minded individual. Smart guy, funny guy, but
somehow serious minded.

Speaker 3 (01:59):
It did not end.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
It was clear that Carrie had not had much of
an exchange with you in your one year together in Arizona.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Is that accurate?

Speaker 4 (02:07):
Well, bus rides and plane rides and you know, lunch
table conversations like I got an opportunity to talk to
Carry a good amount. But if there is two position
groups that see the least of each other on a
football field in terms of actual gameplay and also like
their world's apart from each other, it is defensive backfield

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and offensive line. You couldn't asked. You couldn't asked a
group basically to do anything more opposite of what those
two groups do. Offensive line have to be gigantic. Defensive
backs typically tall, good long shore but need to be skinny.
Offensive linemen need to like be you know, strong and

(02:51):
in their lower body. Like defensive backs need to be
graceful with great hips that can open up when receivers
go into their breaks. Like, there are so many things,
And I mean, like, I guess you could say it's
all one sport. You're all in one team, but there's
fifty three players, yes, and that that for sure. Like
I could tell you there would be certain cornerbacks. I know,

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Carrie obviously carried me, like I told you. We had
we had conversations and he's a good dude. But there
are corners and there are safeties who during the course
of my career, if they came up to me in person,
saw them face to face and said hello to me,
I would assume it's the first time I'm meeting them.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Well, he was like dead serious, like oh yeah, yeah,
you know, Rich, he's a real serious minded guy.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
And i' mike. In other words, you really have no
recall because no one has ever accused you of that.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
All right, we got a lot going on. Are you
watching this tennis right now here? Rich Djokovic won the
first set easily, Alkaz of Corus, who won the US Open.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
He's the new star.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
He's only twenty years of age, the number one ranked
player in the world. Djokovic eliminated him in the semis
at the French Olbu. You remember he had that weird
Alcarez like had the whole body.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Sezed up on him.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, in the third and fourth set, he talked about
nerves and everything else after two great sets, and Djokovic
won that match. But right now Djokovic is trying to
force force a fifth and deciding set in.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
This Wimbledon final. So some good tennis going out right now.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, you know, there's really no weakness in al Karez's game,
and if he can get over some of these mental
hurdles that every performer, every athlete needs to get over,
like the the idea of when everybody's watching, when your
whole sport is watching, when it's just you performing, can

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you do it? And that's the gene that the greatest
of greats have, you know, the Djokovic's and the the
Lebron james Is and the Michael Jordan's and the Tom
Brady's and the Rafael and Nadals like you know, go
through the list. I mean Serena Williams. They have that
gene because when all eyes are on them, it appears

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as if they perform even better. And so we'll see
if he's got that sort of moxie. But this dude,
I mean some of the drop shots, I mean, he's incredible.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
He did a shot Djokovic had an overhead slam, which
usually puts away a point.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Not only Alcarez get this shot. He had a cross
court shot winner off an overhead slam by Djokovic, and
even Djokovic look back like you gotta beginning me. So
you know, this is a sport that's been dominated obviously
by Vederan, Nadal and Djokovic for so many years. He
had a little Andy Murray in there, stand by guy.
He won a couple of Grand Slams. But three guys

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have so dominated this sport. They've been desperate for a
new star, and Alkorez is certainly that the number one
ranked player. So they have now started the fifth set,
first serve of the fifth sets. So we'll keep you
updated on what's going on at Wimbledon. Also, Rich, I
gotta share a story here. So we got that celebrity
golf tournament up in Lake Tahoe.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
What's going on? Did you see the hole in one
that Steph Curry had?

Speaker 4 (06:04):
I did. That was And it's so fun watching Steph
Curry play golf because Steph Curry would be a tall golfer.
He might not even be the tallest golfer. But Steph
Curry makes more sense to my eyes on a golf
course than he does on a basketball court. Like when
I see Steph Curry golf, I go, oh, yeah, that fits,
Like that makes sense. Like when Steph Curry steps foot

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six foot three, six foot four onto a basketball court,
You're like, that's one of the best players in the game.
It just it almost hurts your eyes. It makes you
scratch your head. But he's completely revolutionized basketball as we
know it with the three point shooting that he's portrayed
his whole career. But now, I mean, look, I have

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a novice. I I like golf. I play a lot
of it. You know, probably get out twice a month.
That's a lot for a guy with kids. I try
to get out as much as I can. I watch
all the majors. I watch some of the tournaments throughout
the year. There's something about his swing that makes me
think like if he ever decided, and I'm assuming that

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day will come soon, to hang up basketball, but then
decided to pick up golf full time, to spend as
much time dedicating himself to that sport as he did basketball,
at least during his playing time.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
You know, like, yeah, well, Tony Romo was this right,
Tony Romo was a really good golfer. He was obviously
part of this tournament for years, but then he found
out the idea of playing tournament golf.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Right, It's a different beast. I'm just kidding, if you
can say, I mean, I'm sure he could play well enough,
but when you're standing over that, you know, ten foot
par putt and you've got everyone watching you, Okay, but
hang on, it's not like And the thing about it
is either one is like it, and it's that quiet
like when you're a basketball player any other sport you're

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used to all that noise and it's sort of you know,
but when you're in your own head because everyone else
says sh but.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
I will say this, I mean to do it. I'm
not saying, yeah, maybe he could do it, but I'm
not and I'm this is I think Tony Romo was
a great football player. Yeah, I think that Tony Romo
lacked a little bit of what we were just talking about,
that that killer instinct that Brady Lebron, Jordan Federer, Nadal,

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you know, Djokovic, that that I'm gonna finish this at
the very highest side. Steph Curry has that. I failed
to mention Steph Curry, but Steph Curry has that. And
so if we're just gonna take the genetic makeup of
Tony Romo and Steph Curry and say, you know, who
would you trust more in the clutch? Just that sentence,
who would you trust more in the clutch? I mean,

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if I'm answering that inquisition, that the answer is one
hundred percent Steph Curry. Now, again, that's in his given field,
it's not on a football field, and vice versa. But
if we're gonna even now translate that to the golf course,
I think I'm still taking Steph Curry. And then on
top of it, I have no idea if he's a
better or worse golfer than Tony Romo. But all I'm
suggesting is that when his basketball career ends, it feels

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like if he wanted to, if he wanted to, which
he may not want to. He may want to always
look at golf as a hobby, something that he does
because he's passionate about it. But if he wanted to,
I'm curious if he spent as much attention to golf
as he did on basketball during the course of his
pro career, could the outcomes be the same, because that
guy's meticulous in his preparation for games.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
There actually is one former NFL player that actually won
a tournament on the Seniors Tour.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
What's his name?

Speaker 2 (09:37):
His name was John Brody. He was a legendary quarterback
of the forty nine ers in the sixties and into
the seventies. Actually was the NFL's MVP back in nineteen seventy.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
But he was a big.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Golfer and when he turned fifty, he joined the Senior
Tour as it was then know now the Champions Tour,
and he actually won a tournament.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
He's the only one.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
He's the only former athlete and ad different sport that
actually pulled that off to win a tournament. By the way,
sharing a quick story about this American Century tournament. So
I covered this on an annual basis back in the day,
and there was this. There was only a few radio
stations that were up there all the time. One of
them was I believe it was a sacrament. It was
a Bay Area station, and we would be set up

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right near the driving range, you know, trying to pick
off the celebrities to come over and you know do
these sit down interviews. Well, this station had a female
producer who was quite attractive, and she would wander over
and lure these celebrities over. We didn't have any competition
for her, okay. So I had a friend of mine
who used to be one of the girls on The

(10:43):
Man Show.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Remember the girls jumping on the trampolines.

Speaker 5 (10:46):
They call them the juggies, the juggies, and she was
the star Juggie, and so she was a friend of
mine and I asked her if she would want to
come up to Lake Tahoe.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
She did, and she came out in shorts and a
very tight T shirt. The guy that ran the event
ran over to me and said, there is no way
you're putting her out there. And I'm looking him like,
what are you talking about it. I've seen thousands of
women out here in shorts and T shirts.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
He goes, not like that.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
So She had a good humor about it, so she
she dressed. It didn't matter what she this girl wore,
and it was unbelievable. She didn't even have to walk
to the driving range. The guys are coming to us
to say hi to her, and then oh, by the way,
while you're sitting talking to her, how about sitting down
and doing a quick interview with us.

Speaker 4 (11:35):
By the way, it was pure goal. If you go
on Instagram, if you go on TikTok, if you go
anywhere on social media Twitter, yeah, well listen, there are
now golf influencers who golf in bathing suits.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yes, yes, wait, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, one very famous
I ask no question.

Speaker 4 (11:52):
There there's and there's but there's several and it's catching
one look sex seals I always. Essentially, what you're describing
is something that advertisers have known since the dawn of advertising.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Okay, we'll slow down because I on the other side,
we got to get to our manasa of course, of course, because.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
We can go down this path and go four hours
on that alone.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
All right, On the other side, the All Star Game
is now in the rearview mirror. What about the trade
deadline in Major League Baseball? Will Otani Stay with the Angels.
John Paul Morosier, Fox Sports Radio MLB Insider joins us.

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Speaker 4 (13:09):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
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Speaker 3 (13:25):
He knows it all. He'll never say that but we
know that.

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Yes, he is, of course our Fox Sports Radio MLB insider,
the one, the only John Palmer Rose. See do you
remember the first time you heard that song?

Speaker 7 (13:39):
JP, Oh, good morning and good afternoon. I would say
I would have been around eight years old. That sounds
about right. That's also the age that my middle daughter is, Elena.
She's a great little ball player in her own right.
I'm actually coaching her coach pitch team this summer. It's

(14:00):
been a lot of fun. So I would say perhaps
swayed a bit by Elena's age. I would say I was.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Eight years old, yes, and you were well versed on
Willie Mickey and the Duke at age eight, who wasn't
at that age? All Right, I'm gonna start with Otani,
and I'm well, I'll let Rich get into the whole
trade idea, because Rich has made it clear that Otani's
untradable and I couldn't agree more. But I want to
talk about Otani the pitcher. So he's had this finger problem.

(14:29):
In the month of April, he was four and oh
with a one eighty five ERA. Since then he is
three and five with an ERA of four point three five.
I guess The reason I'm bringing up is is that
we've we talked about this JP about how long can
he continue to do both? But why has he been

(14:49):
less dominant from a pitching standpoint since the first month
of the season.

Speaker 7 (14:54):
Well, it's a very fair question, and certainly it's it's
difficult to speculate on his his health or exactly what's
been going on at different points in time. What we
do know is that he has left now multiple starts
early due to this blister. And when you consider that
he's got this blister going on, it does make you

(15:16):
wonder was he in any way compromised by it before
he actually started leaving starts early as a result of it,
And does that explain that over four era that you
mentioned since the beginning part of May. I do think
that the uncertainty about the origin of that injury and
what it means for his availability, I think that would

(15:39):
certainly cloud the potential of any trade because it makes
it all the more difficult to actually determine what a
fair market value would be for someone who was so
extraordinarily talented, and to your point, might also sway and
influence the way that teams look at him as a
free agent this winter because a massive amount of his

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value is wrapped up in his ability to do both,
and there are those who believe in One person actually
said it to me not long ago that perhaps the
idea would be that maybe show is best served in
the long term to be a reliever and a DH Now.
I don't know that to be true, but some in
the industry have said that, And to look at this spring,

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his most notable performance as a pitcher was coming out
of the bullpen to close out the World Baseball Classic
gold medal game for Team Japan, and that was as
a reliever. So I do think at a final point as
a center back to you on this exact topic with Show,
a you know he's thrown when you look at it.
Since June the twenty seventh, he's only thrown ten innings,

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and then part of that's the All Star break. But
I do think that that speaks to the idea that
maybe his long term value is best out of the pen,
and we may have to change or potentially shape our
expectations of him as a free agent.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Acordingly JP, you reported on MLB dot Com that you
believe the Angels, based on your conversations, are still very
much so, inquiring what they could receive fro Otani. However,
they mentioned that that the next homestand this homestand that
they're currently playing against the Astros Yankees and then Pittsburgh

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comes to town is going to be a deciding factor.
They're one in one right now to start this homestand
they'll play a little Sunday Night baseball tonight. What are
you expecting for the Angels as they finish up the
month of July heading up against the deadline.

Speaker 7 (17:35):
Well, it's a great question, and I think the Angels
right now to your point, a huge comeback win last night.
They really needed that, and they're still as we speak,
under five hundred. They still have a chance in the
wild card picture that they're somewhat helped by the way
in which the Seattle Mariners really struggled. The Mariners lost

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their first two games of the second half to the
non contending Detroit Tigers, and I think having this series
coming up, and it's a big game tonight in a
big series against the Yankees for the Angels, if they
can find a way to put together a nice little
run in the next week or so. The Pirates, of
course have struggled that the Yankees are not in their

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best form either. If they can find a way to
win this game tonight and then win a series against
the Yankees and win a series against the Pirates, then
I think that trading Otani becomes a little bit more difficult.
But if they fall flat in the coming week, then
maybe it becomes a little easier to imagine the Angels
as sellers. So I do think this next week Guys

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is pivotal in the recent history and in the future
of this Los Angeles Angels franchise, because I do think
the way they play in the next ten days will
determine what they do at the deadline, and that could
include an Otani trade. I still think for a lot
of reasons, and I've reported this that it's unlikely, but

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it's and they are at least listening. They're trying to
see what the value of Otani would be. And I
think the main element of this now as you look
at the trade deadline is if they do decide to sell,
would they move any of their other pictures not named
Otani or potentially a bat like a hunter Renfro. They've
got good players not named Showy Otani and Mike Trout

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that I think could could have some interest on the market,
so that they've got a lot of decisions to make.
Otani's the biggest one, but he's.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
Not the only one, all right, buyers and sellers.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I mean, that's the big talk over the next couple
of weeks in Major League Baseball. The Podras, you know,
two of their starting pitchers, snella Musgrove, have been red hot.
They had won six out of seven, and then they
lose a doubleheader in Philadelphia. Right now, it's rainy and Philly.
There's seven and a half games out of the second
wildcard spot, five games below five hundred. What is going

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to go on with this hefty price tagged Podres roster?
Are they gonna dump u like they did back in
twenty fifteen after making a lot of acquisitions in the
off season. Are they going to ride away with his
team hoping that not only Snell and mus Grove, but
you know, perhaps Darvish and other starting pitchers will pick.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
Up the slack.

Speaker 7 (20:15):
Right, I think that it's a little different than the
twenty fifteen situation, but it's there are some similarities and
what they may decide to do. Steve is is to
move their pending free agents, which would be Snell and
Hater most notably, but then keep one soda and try
to make a run at this for next year. They

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are not in a desperate state. I would say that
teams that are that are in a desperate state.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
You know.

Speaker 7 (20:43):
The Mets, I think are more of that description is
because of where their payroll is at, how old their
team is, and the need to make a move. Whereas
the Padres, they still have I think for the top
one under prospects in the sport according to Emily pipeline
dot com. So they still have some semblans of a
solid farm system. They still have another year of Soto,

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they just signed boguards. The collectively, they're not going to
be this bad offensively year after year. So I look
at this team as yes, they've been a disappointment this year,
but their issues are fixable and at least in the
long term. And you look at the National League West
to your point, when you're that far below five hundred
and you've got three quality teams in your own division

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ahead of you, I just I'm having a hard time
seeing this team make the playoffs. So I think that
the Padres can make a good baseball trade for Hater
and Snell if it's out there, likely keep Soto for
now and then make one more run at this thing
next season with some adjustments in some ways of really

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Steven Rich lengthening out the lineup. I think to me
that the big question is how how much they've struggled
to have a solid back half of the lineup. But
I think that has to change now going forward.

Speaker 4 (21:59):
When we look around MLB, is there a team or
teams that you think have to make a lot of moves?
But also the windows closing? So this is the last
chance during their winning window.

Speaker 7 (22:10):
Well, I don't know if it's the last chance, but
it's one of the last chances for the Toronto Blue Jays.
They've got a good ball club and I look at
the way they're constructed. They are heavily reliant on Vladimir
Guerrero Junior. Of course, as you know, the home run
derby Champ and Boba Schett. They need those two to
be the pillars of this organization as they go towards

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a playoff run they hope lands them back in the
World Series for the first time since nineteen ninety three,
thirty years ago, And of course they also have on
this roster Matt Chapman, who is a pending free agent.
He's not Otani, but he is one of the better
free agents this winter. So they are going to lose
or at least could lose some key members of the organization.

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So I think they really have to go all in
right now at a little bit more offense. I would
believe maybe they add one more reliever or two, but
this is the Toronto team that's quite close. And the
longer that the New York Yankees struggle leads me to
believe that maybe the Jays have a bit more of
an opportunity than we originally thought. And I think two
that this is almost diametrically the opposite of the question

(23:17):
that you asked. But I look at a team like
the Baltimore Orioles. They're just starting their window. This is
by no means a World Series or bust kind of
a year. And yet look around the landscape of the
American League when you are an up and coming team
and you see teams like the Red Sox and Yankees
at the bottom of your division. To me, I say, ooh,

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there's opportunity here. There's opportunity here because the Yankees and
Red Sox are very rarely struggling. I put that in
the air quotes because they're still not even below five hundred,
but they're still, by their standards struggling. At the same time,
Aaron Judge is out. Rodin has had a very start
and stop sort of beginning to his career there with

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the Yankees. The Red Sox rotation has been up and down.
Take advantage of this the Oils with all their young
position player talent, whether it's show a Otani, whether it's
Marcus Strohman, whether it's Lucas Chilito. Bring in the impact
rental player now, because even though it looks like things

(24:23):
are just getting started. Guys, there's never a promise that
the top teams in your league traditionally are going to
be in the bottom as they are right now. Take
advantage of this year and this day.

Speaker 3 (24:35):
Listen to this man. Listen to him.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
I'm trying to inspire, guys.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
He's trying to give you sound advice. Listen to this man.
You're the absolute best JP. Enjoy the week.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
The next couple week is going to be very interesting
on the MLB front. We always appreciate the time. Enjoy
the rest of your Sunday sounds.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
Ray, guys really appreciate it. And by the way, I'll
be there not far from you, to see the the
Angels and Yankees this week, and then I believe I'll
be seeing you in San Diego the early part of
next month, so I'll send you a specifics. We'll have
to have another meet up at the ballpark as we
did last year, which was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (25:14):
I love it. I love that.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
All right, JP, thanks so much.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
There he is the great John Paul Morose here fsr
MLB insider. All right, let's find out what is trending
right now, and Moncey is here. Hi, Monsey, understand that
the only two Bill people is in the entire Fox
Sports radio family that have been to my house are

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here today. Yes, that would be first Iowa Sam, right,
and then Rich.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Stornberger, and neither of us were murdered.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
And you know, I'm looking at you, I'm looking at both.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (25:54):
But what does this make us? I mean, we're the
only ones not.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
It's not a matter. Well, first of all, I didn't
invite Sam.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Sam invited myself myself to a lot of things usually
works out in my favorite.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Really, he actually has he has been to more places
of people's dwelling than anybody here.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Right, how many different people's homes.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Have you been to?

Speaker 9 (26:16):
Actually not that many, but probably more than others. I've
been to Jonas's house, I've been to Mike Harmon's house.
I've been your house.

Speaker 8 (26:24):
I think that's it.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:27):
No, I always to two of three, and I was
tied a little bit of my head say it's not
going to happen unless you ask.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
I'm not going to say you don't ask for right, right, Sam,
Sam almost guilt of me into having him at my
house for Thanksgiving dinner like last year.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
This year, I remember that. I love it was just
like he was like I just have nowhere to go, and.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
I was like, America, somewhere else to go.

Speaker 4 (26:53):
I love how Bo held strong, like he was like
almost but I told that who again hit the bricks
it is. I'm with my family.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
I'm not gravy. I don't have enough beer or gravy
to satisfy Sam. Well, Manty, you have an open invite
if you would ever like to come.

Speaker 8 (27:10):
Thank you, Rich, thank you you.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Have sampled Denise's baked goss.

Speaker 8 (27:14):
Yes, yeah, no, definitely.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
Try the one. They come right out of the Oh.

Speaker 8 (27:17):
I can't even imagine. My mouth is watering right now.

Speaker 9 (27:21):
Actually, Rich can we can we agree that Hartman's home
is a palace of falacialacial up in the up in
the the the hills sign pain for everything.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I have no.

Speaker 8 (27:33):
Input, so it probably looks really great.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's a very nice place.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Thank you, very impressed. The the the the wine cave,
I thought was an interesting touch.

Speaker 8 (27:44):
I'll be there today. There's a wine. I'll be there
to day.

Speaker 3 (27:47):
All right, we'll arrange it, Mancy.

Speaker 10 (27:49):
Please please, Fellas. I don't know how you can return
Novak Djokovic just serve.

Speaker 8 (27:56):
Yeah I don't. I watched this and I'm like, oh,
do you hit the ball like that?

Speaker 10 (28:02):
So we're really going down to the wire at this
men's singles final at Wimbledon. It is the fifth set,
and right now Alcaa is number one seed Carlos Aukeraz
is up three games to two to Novak Djokovic.

Speaker 8 (28:14):
But it really it's just Djokovic just serve is insane.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
But did break his serve?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yes, he's actually up a service break right now in
this set.

Speaker 10 (28:23):
The way no, Alcaraz looks like the overall better player,
you know when he's twenty. But Djokovic serve is just insane,
but Alcaaz is wonderful.

Speaker 8 (28:33):
It's just crazy watching these two.

Speaker 10 (28:36):
Let's go to baseball because what was trending is Cody Bellinger,
so I decided to see why he's training, why he
was trending.

Speaker 8 (28:42):
So Yankees Brian Cashman.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
Was on Front Office, MLB's network radio and he basically
said that they need a left field hitter. So who
are people putting in the mix? One of the people
on a lot of fans on Twitter are saying that
the Yankee should go for Cody Bellinger.

Speaker 8 (29:00):
Who has had a pretty good season with the Cups.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
He started ala, he.

Speaker 8 (29:03):
Had a Grand Slam yesterday.

Speaker 10 (29:05):
So that is what Twitter is saying right now, that
the Yankees should go for Cody Bellinger. But right now
in Major League Baseball, one game really going on because
the rest just started or are on a rain delay.
Giants beating the Pirates three to one bottom of the
fifth inning. The NFL's deadline for franchise tag players to
get multi year deals is tomorrow, Monday at four pm
Eastern time, So franchise tight end Evan Ingram and the

(29:26):
Jaguars reached an agreement on a three year contract with
forty one million dollars that includes forty or excuse me,
includes twenty four million guaranteed. And then Rory McElroy did
win the Genesis Scottish Open today. He ended fifteen under
par overall, one shot ahead of Robert McIntyre. And the
Suns are making lots of moves, so they're trading Campaign,
a second rounder and cash to the Spurs for a

(29:47):
future second round pick. They've acquired bol Bowl to a
one year deal, and they also acquired three second rounders
from Orlando for a draft pick swap. This is all
according to the Athletic. Bradley Bill is set to possibly
be their starting point guard. That is their plan going
into training.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
Real is a point guard.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
That is their training camp plan.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
That's an interesting plan for a guy that does pretty
much nothing but shoot.

Speaker 8 (30:14):
Yeah, but not who's left now.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
The no, that's you got three shooters. You got Bil,
Booker and Duran, none of which have ever appeared on
any all defensive teams.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
You hired a defensive minded coach and Frank Vogel. I
don't know how this is going to work with the.

Speaker 8 (30:27):
Second not sure.

Speaker 10 (30:28):
I'm not sure, but that's how he's going to enter
training camp as a projected starting point guard craising.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
All right, Monci again, open invite for you, definitely, that
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Speaker 3 (30:52):
Socarez held serve. He's up four to two.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Now up a service break in this fifth and deciding
set course for Djokovic, if he were to.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Win, all kinds of records would be tied.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Three major records, he would tie the record for most
consecutive Wimbledon's one. It would be his fifth in a row.
He would tie Federer for most wins by a man
in Wimbledon history eight, and his twenty fourth major title
would tie Margaret Court for the most total majors won
by a man or a woman. However, I don't know

(31:30):
this Alcarez kid is he is good man?

Speaker 3 (31:34):
This is some really good tennis.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Right now, we'll tell you it's cyclical sports. We always
have this feeling when we're in a era, especially when
it's your era, you know, your teenage years into your twenties,
maybe that extends through your twenties into your thirties, where
you're watching the same great players dominate the sports that

(31:55):
you enjoy. And when that's the case, you get this
feeling of like, man, when they retire, what's next? Who
could possibly fill the void when these greats end up
stepping aside, And it always seems like there's somebody waiting
in the wings to jump into the league, whatever league,

(32:16):
whether it's pro tennis or it's golf for its or
it's the NBA or NFL, NHL, MLB, and there's somebody
waiting to take over. And mostly because the great players
who have just moved on from the sport or are
in the twilight of their careers have motivated and have

(32:37):
modeled the greatness for the next generation. And there's no
doubt the reason why Alcaraz has admitted some nerves is
because Joker and Federer and Nadal, his peers now as
a twenty year old, are people who motivated him to
this level of greatness.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
Well, feder Coors now is retired, Nadal has taken the
year off. He says next year will be as fine
a year. So this is the major hur By the way, Djokovic,
if he were to somehow rally and win this Wimbledon,
he would have a chance for a US Open Championship,
for a calendar Grand Slam that has not happened since

(33:14):
nineteen sixty nine with Rod Laver. So a lot on
the line here, but right now, all right, Djokovic just
held serve so Alcarez will be serving up four to
three and a service break there at Wimbledon. Let me
ask a quick question here, rich and it's a little
bit of a weird question. So yesterday we had the
women's final, we had an unseated player win the women's final.

(33:35):
And that's that's sort of a circuit right now. That's
looking for a new star with this Williams sisters, you know,
Serena now retired and of course Venus, you know, well
into her forties. They've had these women that, you know,
like Naomi Osaka, she went a few and then she
sort of fell by the wayside, and we just haven't
you know, they've been talking about Coco Gop but she
has yet to win a Grand Slam.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
But here's the amazing thing.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
So the women have made a lot of progs, but
the women's champion, the woman that won yesterday, will get
the exact same pai check as the winner of this match.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And I am certainly a.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Big advocate of equal pay for equal play. But in
the women's game, they played two out of three sets,
and the men they play three out of five. I
don't how do you feel about that? I mean, because
my feeling is the women are certainly capable of playing
three out of five, so why don't they? If the
pay is equal, then they should all play the same

(34:31):
amount of tennis.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Well, in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (34:33):
I'm sure there are people who share that opinion. But
I've always been a fan of less is more in sports.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
So you would like the men then to do two
out of three instead of three out of five.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
I almost always prefer more expedited, urgent sports seasons and games.
I think I think sports are more interesting when when
we are we are rushed to conclusions that sometimes we're
uncomfortable with. Like I don't mind, I really don't. I

(35:06):
don't mind the idea of like a wild card in
major League Baseball after a slog of a one hundred
and sixty two game season being decided in a single game.
I thought that was a beautiful expression of sports, that
you could have this insane marathon come to a halting

(35:27):
conclusion with one bad night. I loved it. I loved it.
I think it's exactly what it's the spirit of sports.
Sports can be. It can be the greatest lift and
the highest level of elation that you'll experience as a
fan or certainly as a player, and I built my
life around that feeling. Or it can be crushing and

(35:50):
it's not fair. Sometimes sometimes you're starting pitcher had a
bad night. Sometimes you're you're starting lineup, your your your bats.
They just didn't produce. Sometimes somebody gets injured. That's sport.
And so I am a big proponent of less is more,
and so I have no problem with the women receiving

(36:12):
the same pay for their Wimbledon as the men, because frankly,
I like the I like the concept better. And then
on the other side of it, the women rate, Like
when we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
Well, the women don't rate now. They did when you
had Serio Williams. But I'm saying Scheryl Paulva. You got
cudars on the women's side, but right now you don't.
So you know, that's lightly anonymous woman winning Wimbledon yesterday
and she gets the same paycheck as the right on
the other side.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
But my point is, my point is like, this isn't
the w NBA NBA conversation, this isn't the women's soccer pace.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
It's the only sport where women make equal pay well
and the only.

Speaker 4 (36:50):
Sport and it's also a sport where you look at
the television ratings for the women's tennis side, and like
you said, when they're star driven, same as men's by
the way, when they have stars, they just do half
stars now playing well, then the ratings are fairly equivalent
as well, And so I do think it's fair, all right.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
No one was watching yesterday on the women's fine, nobody
just because you're you don't have Serena anymore.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Were you watching? No? I was not. I was not.
Why I'm factor, I thought owns J was going to win.
Do this to us all right.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
On the other side, we got some nbareviews up day
for you.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Keep it here.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
This is Fox Sports Sunday. Steve Harbin and Rich Herberger,
Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the Tyraq dot
com studios. All right, we're thirty all in the current
game going on with Ocarez serving to win Wimbledon. The
athleticism of this twenty year old is ridiculous. I mean,

(37:50):
and now he has match point, match point coming up
for Acarez trying to knock out four time defending champions seven.
I'm Wimbledon champion, twenty three time major champion Novak Djokovic.
So we would we could definitely see a changing of
the guard in men's tennis literally on this next point.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yeah, yeah, I mean this is how torches our past.
I mean, we've we've seen great battle in individual or
team sports, and we've seen outcomes that have ushered in
new generations, and this could be one of them. It's
it's interesting, and.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
There it is right there. Alkarez has just one Wimbledon.
He has just defeated Novak Djokovic.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
It's interesting because what happens when when we see things
like this in major sports, like you know, in the
NFL where Brady and Mahomes face each other in a
Super Bowl, you know, the feeling is well, geez, you know, yeah,
you're kind of rooting for Tom Brady because Kenny really
do it, you know, at the at the advanced age,

(38:58):
can he beat the youngest, brightest star in the NFL.
But at the same token, you are rooting for the
new guy. You're thinking to yourself, well, wouldn't it benefit
all of us more if the next era is as
good as the last? And so in that matchup, obviously
the old goat won. In this one, there's a new
sheriff in town. Alcarez is your Wimbledon champion? Yeah, he is.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
And you know, when you think about and we see
this in a lot of sports, where someone is a protege,
someone that's so young a sense to the top of
their sport. And Alcarez has done that at the age
of twenty. Remember last year, as a nineteen year old,
he won the US Open.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
So he is that.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And it's always amazing when you see interviews with a
lot of athletes that have really early success they look
back saying I wish I could have appreciated it more
when it was happening, Like you know, I, you know,
you're young, there's no other distractions. I mean, Djokovic, I've
say it's a family that's part of it for athletes.

(40:02):
You know, we have a family, you get married and
suddenly you know. But when you're this young and it's
the only thing you're doing, sometimes it may take in
a little time. So anyway, we're up against it right now.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
But there it is.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Carlos Awkarez is your Wimbledon champion. Djokovic still one short
of tying that all time record for career Grand Slams.
Should get another opportunity coming up at the US Open.
All right, we have a number of NBA trade rumors,
all the latest. Don't go anywhere with much more to come,
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So they having the trophy presentation right now, Novak Djokovic
handed the silver plate for runner up.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
He chucked it into the stands. No he didn't.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
He was very gracious and very complimentary. Now, of Alcarez
after Acarez won Wimbledon. That Wimbledon trophy, that's a cool trophy.
I'm looking at it, right, yea.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
That's you know, trophies vary, they do.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
There are some famous trophies that you really look at him, like,
like the World Cup. Like, the World Cup trophy is
so small. It's like, here's the biggest sporting event in
the world that only happens every four years. You would
think that the World Cup trophy would be a little
more substantial. But the Wimbledon Men's trophy. Course, the women

(41:41):
have the plate, which I actually think is pretty cool.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
Yea.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
But that's a good looking trophy, that gold trophy there.

Speaker 4 (41:47):
Well, it's just it's exactly it's like the trophy emoji
on your your emoji list, Like he looks like a trophy.
That's what they look like, you know.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
I mean, that looks worthy of being Wimbledon Men's champion.

Speaker 4 (42:02):
And I'll give you my second favorite. You know, I
never noticed that the Wimbledon trophy has a pineapple on
top of it. It does, yes, which is mind blowing.
But the Stanley Cup is my favorite. Yeah, I mean
hands down by far. The fact that they etch every
winner on the Stanley Cup.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
The fact that crazy how many names I had a
picture taken with that cup when the Ducks won it. Yeah,
it's impressive.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
It's cool, man, Yeah, it's cool and it's gigantic.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
And then they give that, you know, they give the
Stanley Cup to the team and then each team member
has it for a certain amount of time.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
And who knows everything that's been done with that cup.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Of that cup?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Talk absolutely, Hey, you know. Another thing in the news
was Lebron James has decided to forfeit the number six
again and go back to is number twenty three. In
fourteen of twenty seasons he's worn the number twenty three.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
But then what was it? It was about Jordan because
Jordan wore twenty three and then he was forty five.
I don't you know me rich for whatever reason, because
I am a numbers junkie in sports uniform numbers, I'm
I'm blind to them.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
I'm literally like people like they'll name a famous athlete
and they'll say what number does he wear?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
And I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (43:32):
Yeah, it's your your brain, I think needs to be
donated to science because I don't really I don't really
understand how it works. And I've been working with you
for close to a decade.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Now, yeah, I because I remember all these obscure numbers
in sports, you know, whether it's batting average or whatever, the.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Numbers can be, the uniform numbers. I just go blank
on him.

Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh man, all right. Let me think of like a
relatively famous guy who you should know, like like Carson Palmer.
What was his number? Nine? Ten? I think was he nine? Ten?
Might be nine.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
I mean people would even say like Tom Brady, and
I'm like, no, you're right, You're right, Carson Palmer war
nine nine.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Okay, so I got some of those single digits, but
like you pretty good? Fifteen, fourteen, eighteen, seventeen?

Speaker 4 (44:34):
Oh yeah? Actually that what does patrick? Patrick Mahomes waar well?

Speaker 3 (44:39):
I think now because I said fifteen the only By
the way, are you watching that show Quarterback?

Speaker 4 (44:44):
I am?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, yeah, So I saw the first episode. This is
on Netflix. It's the production company of Peyton Manning and
it follows three quarterbacks through all of last season from
beginning to end, behind the scenes stuff and everything else.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
So it's got Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
One number did Peyton manningwear?

Speaker 3 (45:05):
Eighteen?

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (45:06):
Wow?

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Dude, you're better at this than you're given credit, only
because I might have just seen it Kirk Cousins and
Marcus Mariota, and I thought it was brilliant because they
really you think back to the beginning of last year obviously,
when they made these.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Choices, they were three guys in very different stages of
their career. So brilliant casting, by the way. I just
I just wonder when they pull back the curtain, Like
there was this one scene I only saw the first episode,
but the first scene, Uh, there's Patrick Mahomes with his wife.
They're expecting their second child, and she has all these

(45:44):
pictures that she wants to get done, and you can
just see as total.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Disdain for taking pictures.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, and so she says something like he hates taking pictures,
And I'm thinking to myself, most guys hate taking pictures also, correct,
most of us if we're dragged into one of those,
hey take some you know, you remember like when you
got engaged or wedding photos, you know, and you're just
when is this going to be over? So I'm just

(46:13):
thinking I'm watching him, thinking, yeah, that's every guy. Like
she's like, she's like, yeah, you know you think of
it like he's outgoing, but he really hates taking pictures.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
I'm like, that's like every dude hates taking.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
There is nothing there's a lot that's unique about Patrick Mahomes.
That's not one of them.

Speaker 3 (46:31):
That's a very regular guy thing, regular guy thing. Would
you would you do that?

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Though?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Would you would you open up your private life to
the cameras?

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Good question in some ways, you know, doing what we do,
I've had to. It's it's not the most comfortable thing
to share more about yourself than you're really like innately
willing to. There are certain people who love fame. There
are certain people who like their goal when they set

(47:03):
out on whatever path they set out was to be
famous because they wanted the people to know that. That's
a great example. The Paris Hilton, I think just enjoyed
the limelight. I mean it's just, you know, it's it's
one of those things where and then there's certain you know,
people who were great at doing whatever their given field,

(47:25):
Actresses or actors who really do appear to love fame.
Athletes certainly, you know, I mean Terrell or Chado Chosinko.
I mean, there's certain people who love the camera. But
but there's there's definitely more. I would argue that don't
And since Patrick Mahomes, I mean, his goal is to
be the greatest football player ever. Like, it's very clear

(47:51):
he set his sights.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
I mean, he's only five more Super Bowls away from
tying Tom Brady, and I mean that's nothing.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
And he's a young man and he's on a similar trajectory.
You argue, you could argue a better trajectory early in
his career.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
His five straight AFC championship games yep, yeah, three super
Bowl appearances, two super Bowl wins. But Tom Brady already
had three super Bowl championships in his first four years.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
He didn't have sur MVPs though he did not he
had zero at that point.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
Yeah, so they're they're well. So again, some would argue
the point I'm trying to make, though, is this is
what he's good at. He's not necessarily good at being
famous famous. Being good at being famous is actually a skill.
We've learned that over the years. Yeah, I mean, and
so I don't necessarily think he's bad at it, but
I also don't think he's particularly great at it, and
it's because he doesn't particularly care for it. Now, it

(48:42):
looks to me like Patrick Mahomes is about one thing
or maybe two things, having fun, which he's clearly having
fun and playing amazing football and getting as good at
the sport as he possibly can, and being a good teammate.
Tag that along with the other two. I mean, it
just that's what it appears to me. Now. The people
in his ga Alexy, the people in his orbit, like
his wife, like his brother, those people appear to really

(49:08):
enjoy the fame. There's no question in my mind, like,
based on what I've seen, what I've seen from Patrick
is very different than what I've seen from Brittany, his wife,
and Jackson, his brother.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
By the way, Kirk Cousins, at least early on comes
off is about an average guy as humanly possible. His
wife talked about the fact that, yeah, they shot for
his shirts at Target right, and they have a considering
how much money he makes. They have a pretty modest home.

(49:39):
It just looks like a pretty normal middle class home
you know in Minnesota, which you know is now the
same price tag if you were living in southern California.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I mean, I always appreciate certain guys that have an
understanding that as an ath let. Your life as an
athlete is short. Yeah, in terms of the spectrum of
your entire life.

Speaker 4 (50:08):
And your earning potential drops off a cliff which.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Completely goes from wherever you're at to zero. You have
to start over again. And the idea, well, I could
just I'll be an announcer. There aren't many of those
jobs available, you know, and then you could go into
coaching or make plans outside of that. You know, yesterday
in talking with Carrie Rhodes, he actually works rich with

(50:34):
athletes to help sort of prepare that next step you
know after you know, because he was into you know,
he became an actor and everything else, but it was
something that he had an interest in long before he even.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Got into college.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
So it was already that was like in his mind,
like that's where I want to go while he's playing
in the NFL. Do you think the NFL does a
good enough job of sort of prepping guys for life
after football.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
No, but that's not their goal, right, you know. I mean,
let's be very honest, it's nor is it really their responsibility.
It's just there the effort that they pay attention, or
I should say, the effort that they put into paying
attention to players post career is for public relations purposes only.

(51:27):
They just want these guys to not leave the sport
and then go do illegal things that will bring poor
publicity to the league, or go completely broke which will
bring poor publicity to the league, or you know, get
divorced in mass or make headlines for negative reasons. Because

(51:48):
even though you could be ten years twenty years departed
from your NFL career, it'll be former NFL player x
Y or z did x y or z. You're always
representing the Shield as a former player, and the NFL
is keenly aware of that. So whatever efforts they put
in and they are marginal to get players to help,

(52:09):
they need there because it's better for the league if
they if they take care of their players. If there
was no profit incentive or no risk to them paying
zero attention to players when they transition out of the NFL,
they wouldn't spend a single dollar. I can promise you
that very much. Now, the NFLPA, the union goes to

(52:29):
great lengths to provide benefits for former players, and they
try to also encourage current players to realize that, like
you just pointed out with Kirk Cousins and the way
he's living modestly. Your NFL career is short, your life
is long, and to make great plans for your post career.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And by the way, you say, oh right, well I've
got three or four million in the bank. Yeah, that's
not going to go very far if you're going to
live another fifty years. So yeah, you got to figure
out something else to do.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
All right.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Coming up on the other side, Damian Lillard is still
a Portland Trailblazer, but for how long we got the
latest trade rumors? This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin
and or at Charnberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are live
from the tire rack dot Com studios. Accarez is the
youngest Wimbledon men's champion since Boris Becker, who won back

(53:24):
to back at the age of seventeen and eighteen his
first two Wimbledons. So hefty paid day as well. Big
championship win over Djokovic. There, all right, I'm reading a
headline here Rich The Portland Trailblazers are willing to wait
months for any Damian Lillard trade, which is of course

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their way of saying we haven't heard anything close to
what we're looking for in trading away Damian Lillard, who,
again it's a different situation. It's very similar to the
situation a year ago with Kevin Durant and the Nets
in the fact that he has multiple years remaining on
his contract, so it's not like as an expiring contract
and we got to get rid of him now, or

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you know, face the prospect of getting nothing in return.
He's und your contract for three full years and then
as a player option in twenty six twenty seven for
I don't know, sixty two million things. He's going to
pick that one up sixty two million dollars for that year.
But that doesn't mean that he won't be traded. So
I've heard the latest, because we keep hearing this. So

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he wants to go to the Miami Heat. He wants
to go to the Miami Heat, and the Miami Heat
have offered Tyler Hero to the Blazers, and the Blazers
publicly have stated we have no interest in Tyler Hero.
So that means most likely you're going to have to
have a three team trade to get this done, because

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really what Portland wants are a lot of first round
picks to start building.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
For the future.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
So I heard a recent deal that actually makes a
little bit of sense. So it would involve the Blazers,
the Heat, and the San Antonio Spurs. So ultimately, the
Heat get Damian Lillard, the Spurs get Tyler Hero, which
is a pretty good fit for a young team, you know,

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to get a guy that can actually knock down some
shots as far as Portland is concerned. They would get
some bench guys like Duncan Robinson. You know, there's not
a lot left on the Heat bench because guys have left.
But they would get a Heat first round pick next year,
a Bulls first round pick that is owned by San
Antonio the next year, and then a bunch of future picks,

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you know, twenty seven to twenty eight thirty type first
round picks. What is your gut feeling there, I mean,
I still maintain because of his contract situation. Then I
want to also get into allegiance and everything else. But
do you believe right as we're sitting here today that
he will be a member of the Miami Heat for

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the starting next.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
There's no way for me to answer that, or for
anybody to answer that right now. It really comes down
to compensation and if these two sides can find a
level that matches the talent heading to South Beach. Look,
every negotiation ends, or I should say every good negotiation
ends with both sides being unsatisfied. You know, obviously Miami

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is probably in that situation going to have to part
with more than they want to, and it means that
the Trailblazers are going to get less than they want back.
But that's that's what a good negotiation looks like. All
parties being equally dissatisfied is how you know that that
maybe the best ends were met and justify the means.

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I concentrate more with this story on exactly what Damian
Lillard's asking for. I'm still very much so hung up
on the damage that this will do to the NBA
and the precedent that will set for players moving forward.
If Dame Lillard ends up in Miami, this is a problem.

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This is a problem contracts. If Dame Lillard not only
can request the trade and break a contract he's just
signed with the Blazers, but then also pick the team
he wants to go to, this is a problem. This
is not a good thing. It's not good for the league,
even if it makes Miami better, and even if it

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makes the Blazers better, it's still a huge problem. There's
already a problem with loyalty in the NBA in terms
of players playing out their contracts with certain teams. There's
already an issue with fans and fathers of young fans
worrying about whether or not they can buy a Stars
jersey because is he a rental or is he a lifer?

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Is he a guy who they're going to be able
to build around, or is he going to in some
cases selfishly, self interestedly chase his passions and remove him
from the city he currently plays in.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
All right, let me slow it down for a second here.
So a year ago, a year ago, exactly a year ago,
when Damian Lillard signed an extension of max extension on
his deal. Here's what he said, and he actually put
this out on social media. He said, I don't think
that you earned something like this just by going out
there and scoring a bunch of points. Something that's missing

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in our league is character and the fight and the
passion and pride about you know, not just the name
on the back, but the name on the front, and
how you impact the people that you come in contact with.
In other words, it was important to him a year
ago that he remained a Trailblazer because he's invested a

(58:46):
lot in that city. Not everyone was predicting that Damian
Lillard was going to be a member of the seventy
fifth anniversary team when he signed with Portland, and he
made it clear a year ago that this wasn't just
about the money. This wasn't just about It was about
an allegiance and a responsibility to those that invested, as

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you were saying, rich, those that invested their time and
money in rooting for you, in this case in the
city of Portland.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
So what changed?

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Yeah, I mean this was one year ago. I trust me.
I can flip the coin over and I can speak
to what Damian Lillard has probably gone through over this
past year. Maybe he's started feeling a little distance with
the front office, whereas he felt warmth on the you know,
the heels of signing that giant max contract with them.

(59:40):
Maybe they've started shifting their opinion on what this team
needs to move forward, and maybe all of a sudden,
Damian Lillard isn't a part of that future. Maybe they
didn't speak to him at any length about what their
plans were for the draft, And like we know with
many stars in the past, when you start making plans
for the future with looping in the star, the writing's

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on the wall. It happened to Peyton Manning with Andrew Luck,
it happened to Aaron Rodgers with Jordan Love, and it's
happened now to Damian Lillard with Scoot Henderson. And when
these sort of things happen, you're going to upset a
star player, because wow, he seems egoless when you read
that statement, and he seems selfless, and he seems like

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the ultimate teammate, and he seems like the ultimate team
guy and somebody who's gonna fight for Portland throughout the
course of his career. Some of those words that he
was speaking to, like the loyalty aspect, Maybe he feels
like he's been wronged and there's been a great disloyalty
done to him. And so if these are important creeds

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and core values to his life and the organization that
he trusted has now abandoned their side of that loyalty,
well then why should he remain loyal to them? So
you could make the argument for Damian Lillard, But and
by the way, I can see it that way, And
by the way, I'm supportive of any player in any

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league because your earning potential is so short. To chase
the money, to chase the acclaim, to chase whatever it
is that you, whatever boxes you want to check before
your career ends, go out and do a kid, because
that's what you are. You may not realize it, but
you're a kid. You're gonna spend the rest of your
life as a grown man and life king. You'll look

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back on these times and you'll have some regrets. You'll have,
you know, obviously, some things that you'll celebrate. You want
as few of those regrets as possible. So if chasing
a ring in South Beach is something you really want
to do, go do it. But what I'm talking about
is global. What I'm talking about is a precedent. It
sets for this next group of superstars who are watching

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the stars of today like Lebron James leap frog from
city to city to city chasing rings, like Kevin Durant
leapfrog from city to city to city, chasing rings, like
James leap rogging from city to city to city chasing rings.
And now Dame Lillard. Somebody who sounded different, seemed different,

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is doing the same thing, and not only doing it,
but doing it in the most damaging possible facts factor
to the league by calling out the individual team, the
only team that he wants to play for. This is
going to be crippling to the NBA because it's gonna
handcuff these owners and these front offices to completely bend
the need to their superstars. It's not gonna be and

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the people who lose the most, it's not the billionaire
owners that I'm worried about, it's the fans. This is entertainment.
It's how people escape their lives and their hardships, and
they turn to these people who are grasping at Live's
brass ring or gold ring, and it seems like so
much fun rooting for these guys who go from humble
means to greatness. Well, this is different. This feels like

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you're taking advantage of a situation and it's not going
to end well for the fans. And that's the fortunate
reality of this.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Again a year ago, Damian Lillard's words, something that's missing
in our league as character and the fight and the
passion and pride about you know, not just the name
on the back, but the name on the front and
how you impact the people that you come in contact with.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
How times it changed? All right, let's find out what
is trending right now?

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
All right?

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
So, Mancy, I want to ask you, as a Clippers
die hard, Yes, who would you rather make a deal
for Damian Lillard or James Harden? Knowing you would have
to gut your bench and whatever remains of any draft
picks that you didn't already give up For.

Speaker 10 (01:03:39):
Paul George, I'm going to assume that Damian Lillard would
deplete our bench even more.

Speaker 8 (01:03:47):
I'm going to assume that right as I really think
neither of them is gonna Who's gonna play all games?
That's what Who's gonna play?

Speaker 4 (01:03:59):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
I mean again, that's how I'm down to. Total games.
Have we seen Kawhi Leonard and Paul George together? I do.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
I don't know what percentage of games less than half.

Speaker 8 (01:04:08):
We have hung out on Sundays more.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Than we know that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I mean, Kawhi missed an entire year, it's less than
half obviously.

Speaker 10 (01:04:14):
Right, So it's like it's hard really because I think
either one can obviously bring something to the table and
they can help us win. But in reality, that's not
the problem that the Clippers have, right, So it's like, okay,
you're bringing me another great player. Great, that doesn't that
hasn't been the solution. Who is going to stay healthy
and who is going to play? But if I had
to pick gun to my head type of situation, if

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we're already gonna give everybody up, might as well get
Damian Lillard.

Speaker 9 (01:04:39):
Going with Lillard, why not Kawhi and PG?

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Yes, So out of eighty two games, how do you
how many games do you think all three would be
on the court to get half?

Speaker 8 (01:04:50):
I would hope that's hoping. That is me fingers crossed half.

Speaker 10 (01:04:56):
Yeah, you know, And the reports are saying that James
Harden is determined to get to the Clippers. Yes, which
you know, if you want to take a friendly deal,
why not.

Speaker 8 (01:05:05):
Come on over. When did the Clippers become a destination when.

Speaker 3 (01:05:10):
When you have an owner worth over ninety billion dollars.

Speaker 8 (01:05:13):
I guess that's what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:05:14):
Yeah, yeah, I just I just want them to play,
actually play, and see you know what they can do
if they're actually playing together.

Speaker 3 (01:05:23):
In beauty of playing for the Clippers?

Speaker 4 (01:05:25):
Is this?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
There are no expectations that is. I mean, it's not
like the Lakers or the Celtics where you got to
try to continue a tradition.

Speaker 10 (01:05:32):
Not to us Clipper fans, the expectation has been there
for a few years.

Speaker 8 (01:05:37):
But you are right, the expectations.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Whirl with Slipper fans.

Speaker 8 (01:05:41):
Yes, me, Ben Maller, Brian Finley. That's three that I
know of.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Okay, right, so I don't see there's plenty of bathrooms
at the new arena for right.

Speaker 10 (01:05:55):
No, I'm going to have an entire stall, but like
a whole, a whole like Rowe bathrooms by myself. Oh
all right, guys, Well, let's talk about a twenty year
old champion. Twenty years old, and Carlos akraz is a champion.

Speaker 8 (01:06:09):
His first ever Wimbledon title.

Speaker 10 (01:06:11):
He defeated Novak Djokovic at the men's singles title in
five very exciting, very tough, very grueling sets.

Speaker 8 (01:06:17):
Novak Djokovic got.

Speaker 10 (01:06:19):
Emotional speaking to the media and the fans after, because
you know, he's thirty six.

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
Is it the end?

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
No?

Speaker 8 (01:06:27):
Right, No, But twenty year old, you're just kind of
like man, man, he's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Coming in this way. It's for Alkarez to win championships.
So this guy's gonna win a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:06:36):
He's gonna win a lot, a lot, So congratulations yes
to Carlos alcraz And. In the NFL, three time All
Pro wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins is signing a two year,
twenty six million dollar deal worth up to thirty two
million with incentives with the Tennessee Titans. He gets a
base of twelve million and you're one with the chance
to get fifteen million. The deal is expected to become

(01:06:58):
official over the next few days. This is all from
the NFL Network. The NFL's deadline for tagged players to
get multi year deal multi year deals is tomorrow Monday
at four pm Eastern Time. So franchise tight and Evan
Ingram and the Jaguars have reached an agreement on a
three year contract.

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
Worth forty one million.

Speaker 10 (01:07:15):
And in the NBA, the Suns are trading campaign a
second rounder and cash this first for a future second
round pick. Let's chick into Major League Baseball. The Pirates
have tied the game again. Tied the game against the Giants.
They are tied at three apiece bottom of the eighth
inning in Pittsburgh. The Braves are on the scoreboard, but
the White Sox are still up four to one.

Speaker 8 (01:07:32):
They're about to start the fourth inning.

Speaker 10 (01:07:34):
Will the White Sox hand the Braves two consecutive losses?

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
Will they Braves are on pace to win one hundred
and ninety.

Speaker 8 (01:07:43):
Yes, but they lost for the first time at home.
I don't even know how long against the White Sox.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
The Braves have no weaknesses.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
They don't they have done.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
They've got really good couple of clothes to watch. Their
lineup is loaded.

Speaker 4 (01:08:00):
And they're also hitting. You know, yeah, one big to
have stars, but stars that actually hit.

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
Yeah, I mean, how about it?

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
I mean Olsen has thirty home runs at first is
a runaway MVP of this league?

Speaker 4 (01:08:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 10 (01:08:13):
Yeah, they're so good, so good? Orioles beating the Marlins
three zero. They're about to start the fourth inning. The
Diamondbacks and the Blue Jays are tied at two a piece.
Top of the third, the Reds of digging the lead
over the Brewers.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
It's three to one. Bottom of the third.

Speaker 10 (01:08:25):
Reds manager David belm was just ejected in the second inning.
He was arguing strikes and balls. They kicked him out
and he went out there and he started pleading his case.

Speaker 8 (01:08:34):
And then he drew the outline of home.

Speaker 10 (01:08:37):
Plate to the umpire. The other umpire came in, got
in between them. He kept yelling. He went out in fashion,
is what I'm saying.

Speaker 8 (01:08:44):
He was like, you can kick me out. I got
things to say.

Speaker 10 (01:08:46):
Nationals beating the Cardinals one zero top of the second,
Red Sox up on the Cubs one zero top of
the second as well.

Speaker 8 (01:08:52):
Busy Sunday, back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I actually saw a video on YouTube. Somebody went back.
It was the month of May. Punch out called strike
threes that were so far off the plate they weren't
even close. And these are punch out, you know, strike
three looking yeah, non swinging, and they're not even close.

Speaker 8 (01:09:14):
They're not. It's like, are you calling a.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Stocky low wide. It didn't matter. They're just way off
the plate.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
So yeah, I don't know why we have umpires calling
balls and strikes when you can do electronically. I mean,
you're watching tennis, right, They will they will look at
a review of a one hundred and thirty five mile.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
An hour serve. Yeah that maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Tick the line, yeah, tick the line, because that's all
it just has to tick an edge like a hundredth
of an inch and they never challenge it like there
it is, you see it right there.

Speaker 3 (01:09:46):
But let's move on done. Yeah, they can easily do that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
And they already said no umpire robots next season.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, well that's ridiculous. It's time.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
It's very, very overdue time, no doubt about that. All right,
So we're talking about this littler situation, and I love
your diatribe, I really do, Rich because in a lot
of ways, it's not about well, first of all, let's
let's be careful what you wish for. We were talking
about James Harden with Monsei, right, remember the whole hardened situation,

(01:10:19):
like he wanted out of Houston. Yeah, you did, And
now we're staring at him with his four team coming
up in like four years. You know, again, if Damian
Lillard goes to Miami and they will have pretty much
gutted their roster to have a trio of Butler, who
is obviously not getting any younger. Neither is Damian Lillard

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and a bam ade Bio. Really the the root of
that team, right was all these undrafted guys off the bench,
the Martins of the world and the Robinson's, all these
guys coming off the bench and you know, giving them
some quality minutes and you take that away. I look
at the Phoenix Sun, same thing. They gutted their roster
to get Kevin Durant. It's not to say that Kevin

(01:11:02):
Durant is one of the greatest players of all time.
Obviously he is, but it takes more than that. Individuals
and their value in a team. Sport Rich and We've
talked about this many times. It's not even just about
the pieces, but do the pieces fit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:20):
Chemistry, it has to fit. It's super important and it's overlooked,
but it has worked in the past, Steve, it has
and it will work in the future where you assemble
a super team.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
Boston did it with Kevin Durant and Yep and Ray
Allen joining Paul Pierce. It worked.

Speaker 4 (01:11:37):
You bring in, you bring in one last piece or
a couple of pieces, You get cheap role players, and
you go out and win a ring. Yeah. I mean
the Warriors had a good culture in place, but they
had a Lebron problem. So they brought in Katie and
they won two rings with him. You know it's there.
It works, It works.

Speaker 3 (01:11:55):
Look at the Ransom Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
It won a chance, and they you know, they invested
money in a bunch of guys.

Speaker 4 (01:12:03):
Jalen Ramsey. It was I mean, they did this several times.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
Untill they brought von Miller in.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
Remember this, they brought in Bay Yeah, and and they
they basically said, forget about next year in the future,
we're trying to win.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
Now, we're winning a Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (01:12:18):
And they did it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Yeah, look it works. I want to talk about another trade,
and I know we'll get into it more on the
other side, but I just sort of want to peel
back the sticker on this brand new shiny toy that
the Tennessee Titans have to play with. DeAndre Hopkins signs
a two year deal. They still finalizing that, but you
would assume it'll get done. And this has been a

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courtship that has been long discussed during his free agency
this offseason. My first blush reaction is that's a winnable
division in the AFC South and DeAndre Hopkins is going
to fill the void that aj Brown left the Tennessee
Titans in trade with the Philadelphia Eagles. That was apparent

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and a big reason, not the only reason, but a
big reason why the vertical game was basically missing last
year for the Tennessee Titans and led them to a
seven win season. I think that Ryan Tannehill is one
of those quarterbacks who is not great unless he has

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great pieces around him. So in Miami he struggled for
years because they had some anonymity in terms of the
skill players around him. But if the Titans have a
healthy Derrick Henry and they have a healthy DeAndre Hopkins
and an available DeAndre Hopkins, the Titans may have just
made one of the biggest moves of their twenty twenty

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three and they get him on a contract that if
it earns you a division win, you can't argue with
the amount of money they're paying d hop.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
All right, Well, on the other side, I want to
get a little bit more into this deal.

Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
Again.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
It is rein reported that he's agreed to a two year,
twenty six million dollars deal a potential six million more
in incentives to join the Tennessee Titans. But that means
another team is not going to get DeAndre Hopkins. And
you talked about stretching the field. Is he still that
kind of receiver? We'll talk about this d hop deal.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin, Rich Harberger, Fox

(01:14:19):
Sports Sunday. We are here in the tire IRAQ dot
Com studios. So we're just talking about DeAndre Hopkins. Apparently
he has agreed to a two year deal with the
Tennessee Titans. Before we get to a team that lost
out on his services, you talked about a Titans team

(01:14:39):
that's looking to stretch defenses a little bit.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
Is d Hop still that kind of receiver?

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
I mean, one thing I know about d Hop You
throw the ball in his vicinity, He's going to catch
the ball.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
He's a great possession receiver, as good as there is.
But is he still a guy that will stretch a defense?

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Yes? Yeah, because like pac Man Jones on the Pat
McAfee Show proved this week, you can't teach speed and
it doesn't go away. So pac Man Jones is forty
and he ran a four to five on asphalt this week,
Like it just doesn't go away. Like if you're a
fast twitch athlete and you stay in shape, you're a

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fast twitch athlete. Now, health becomes a concern later in
your career, especially when you've had some run ins with
injury like de hop has in the past, and also
the fact that he got popped for a performance enhancing
drug and served the suspension and so consecutive seasons he
hasn't had a lot of gameplay. There are concerns, but
you can't teach speed, and you can't teach the ability

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the hand eye coordination that is I mean paramount when
you're leaping off the ground, running full speed while being
defended by one of the best defenders in the world
doing what they do, and somehow being able to locate
the ball secure it on your way to the ground,
And that's one of the things that has been a

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highlight of his career. Alongside all of that, he's a
pretty damn good route runner too. He's a guy who
when he breaks off his routes, when he gets into
his stems and things, I mean, he can really sell
whatever it is he's trying to set up and then
in the break leave guys tumbling over themselves trying to
catch up with him. So, look, DeAndre Hopkins to me

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is one of those receivers when healthy still can perform
at the highest possible level. It's just a matter of
whether or not he can stay healthy enough for the
Titans this year. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
So we were talking a couple of weeks ago about
the possibility of the New England Patriots going after both
DeAndre Hopkins and Dalvin Cook.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Yeah, so a d hop off the table.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
The latest on Cook is he's most likely to end
up in the AFC East as either a member of
the Dolphins or the Jets.

Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
So if one of those two teams signs Dalvin Cook,
imagine the Jets. Yeah, and you already have Brees Hall,
who was off to a Rookie of the Year start
before he had injuries, and then relinquish that offensive Rookie
of the Year award to Wilson, his wide receiver, Garret.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
Wilson know how the Jets afford.

Speaker 3 (01:17:20):
Him, but that I mean, that's what we're talking about.
And by the way, it's not as much money as.

Speaker 2 (01:17:25):
You may think, because we did assume that Dalvin Cook
is looking for a boat low. But as time runs
out he may have to come to the realization, at
least in twenty twenty three, that money may not be
the same. But if New England strikes out on both
these guys, and if Dalvin Cook ends up with either
the Dolphins or the Jets, I think you would agree

(01:17:46):
that that would put further distance from either one of
those teams from where the Patriots stand, which at least
roster wise right now, is dead last in the AFC East.
I mean, what are we looking at with your former team,
the Patriots, if they can't land a proven skill guy

(01:18:06):
to bolster that offense for Mac Jones, who's trying to
bounce back after suffering the sophomore jinks.

Speaker 4 (01:18:12):
Yeah. By the way, you said the Patriots, and it
clicked my mind back to the DeAndre Hopkins. I'll get
the Dalvin Cook in a second. But because I remember
when I was there, I played alongside an aging Randy
Moss who, at thirty years of age in two thousand
and seven, this is two years before the Patriots drafted me.
He had a fourteen hundred yard season with.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
The Pats, record number of touchdowns, record number twenty three touchdowns,
some crazy number.

Speaker 4 (01:18:37):
Yeah, it was absolutely an insane season.

Speaker 3 (01:18:39):
I didn't work with Ocho Cinco though, No, it didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:41):
But but look, there were other issues there. Yeah, and
you know, I think the playbook proved to be a
challenge there. Devonte Adams last season fifteen hundred over fifteen
hundred yards with the Raiders at age thirty one hundred
receptions on the season, fourteen receiving touchdowns. Like my point
is with DeAndre Hopkins is if he's healthy, I think

(01:19:03):
he can still obviously play in this league at a
high level. Going to Dalvin Cook, Dalvin Cook is one
of those players who has turned in thousand yard rushing
seasons for the past four straight years. I'm I'm not
going to overinflate the value of a running back, but
I will make an argument for his particular value. I

(01:19:26):
think that's where this conversation gets murky, like because a
lot of people go, well, running backs are replaceable. That's true,
most running backs are replaceable. There are some who aren't.
Derrick Henry is irreplaceable. Like Derrick Henry is the heart
is the thumping heartbeat of that Titans offense. And when

(01:19:47):
he goes away, good luck Tennessee. You know, Dalvin Cook
for years has been a offensive juggernaut for the Minnesota Vikings.
We'll see if they can replace his production. There are
teams that can benefit from having Dalvincook and they are
I mean, I would say the drain is circling, and

(01:20:12):
I see the Patriots as really the option that makes
the most sense.

Speaker 3 (01:20:16):
Well, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
But right now, like I said, the hot tickets for
a possible destination for Dalvin Cook are the Jets and
the Dolphins. Speaking of those teams, one of them is
going to be in full view of all of us.
We'll talk about hard knocks and the Jets. This is
Fox Sports Sunday, having fun on us Sunday. That's what
we do here on Fox Sports Sunday, broadcasting live from

(01:20:37):
the tire rag dot com studios, tyrad dot com.

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Alcaoraz wins Wimbledon. That's a big story today. But here's
where we are in the sport world. So we have

(01:21:01):
like these little bits and pieces, like the Open Championship
is coming up this week, Rich and you and I
have interest in golf's major Golf championships, final major of
the year. By the way, Rory McElroy birdie the final
two holes to what is it's the Scottish Open. I
believe it is so maybe he's in a position to

(01:21:23):
win out Open Championship and in his long drought.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
You got that right, Rich, Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:30):
So but everything is basically filler until we get to
the NFL. Like, you know, we just we sort of
like this month of July we're sort of void of
I mean, like we were talking about the Dalvin Cook situation,
de hopped.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
Getting a new deal.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
But we're going to get into the meat and potatoes
very shortly here with the NFL season. And one of
the reasons the NFL continues to lap the field in
general interests in sports is they always find a way
to have a story keep them in the news. And
as we go into the twenty twenty three season, you

(01:22:08):
have a dream scenario with Aaron Rodgers joining the New
York Jets. I mean it's like a dream because you
have one of the greatest quarterbacks in the history of
the NFL playing in Titled Town, USA, Little Green Bay, Wisconsin,
and now he's going to the Big Apple and it's
the other New York team. You know, the Giants have

(01:22:30):
had their day. They've won four Super Bowls, the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Have won one, and their quarterback just turned eighty this year.
That would be Joe Namath.

Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
Yeah, so there are so much there are so many
eyes on the Jets. I mean, they are without question,
the must watch.

Speaker 3 (01:22:51):
Team as we go into this season.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
And now on top of that, I don't know how
it finally happened, but you knew was going to happen,
going to be on Hard Knocks, all right. So I
was talking yesterday to a former Jet about this. Now
I'm going to talk to you about this. So let's
say you're the producer of Hard Knocks and your job

(01:23:15):
is to get as many eyeballs on the Hard Knocks
Jets series as humanly possible. What is your pitch to
the Jets on how you want to produce this edition
of Hard Knocks to get the most punch, the most
value out of having the Jets on Hard Knocks.

Speaker 3 (01:23:36):
How do you approach the Jets with your pitch?

Speaker 4 (01:23:39):
Oh, you make it one hundred percent about the quarterbacks.
Ask your I mean you make it one hundred percent
about the quarterbacks. And I'll tell you why. Because Netflix
just debuted their brand new series Quarterback. It is a
focus on our cousins and Marcus Mariota and Patrick Mahomes.

(01:24:03):
It is going to obviously do very well among sports fans,
and then people who just like you know, realism documentaries,
things like that, and you know the algorithm, Netflix is
going to filter that to the top of your queue
until you click on it and give it a shot,
and some people who may not even like football might
get hooked. That was the same thought process with their

(01:24:24):
golf docu series, their F one docu series. In fact,
Netflix is responsible in some part with the F one
Need for Speed getting a lot of American eyes paying
attention to F one racing.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Yes, so, now, by the way, that was their only
sports venture. Oh yeah, for a long time, that was
it just formula one. I want to read a quote
from Aaron Rodgers where you get your comment here. Yeah,
so this was Thursday.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Yeah, I heard this clip.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
So Rogers says, talking about them being on hard knocks.

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
I understand the appeal with us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
There's a lot of eyes on me, a lot of
eyes on our team, a lot of expectations for our squad.
They forced it down our throat and we have to
deal with it. I don't know how cooperative, mom, I say,
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:15):
I'm gonna guess that Aaron Rodgers is going to provide
zero cooperation with this Hard Knocks venture. He may be
seen on Hard Knocks, but he's certainly not going to
do anything to embellish for the cameras.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Okay, hard Knocks. So going back to my point about
making it about the quarterbacks, Yes, what they need to
do is appeal to Aaron Rodgers. The producers need to
be very careful with how they approach him, but they
need to appeal to him. They need to talk about
how listen like you know, you know, we all know

(01:25:51):
this is a very talented team, but the missing piece
last year was a quarterback. And so we're going to
do our very best to highlight the other offensive players
and defensive players who are going to be important to
create a path to the postseason and beyond. But you
are going to be a big focal point this year,
and we just want to get that out in the open.

(01:26:13):
We're going to, you know, try to spotlight not only
what you're doing from a leadership standpoint with the starting
offensive players, but also you helping along Zach Wilson and
these other young quarterbacks. Tim Boyle obviously isn't young, but
you know what it's going to what what a true
culture changer at quarterback looks like in the NFL, and

(01:26:36):
like you have to just appeal to him somehow, you
have to make you have to give him maybe the
availability to talk about things other than football. If there's
one thing that I've really realized about Aaron Rodgers that
I didn't know about him, frankly before he started becoming
more open minded or really open mouthed with the media,

(01:26:59):
is the fact that he likes to talk about just
about anything other than football exactly. So I would I
would try to explain to him, like, we're gonna give
you an avenue to get word out about whatever you
want to talk about. And I think that I think
that Hard Knocks is a fun show and Lee of
Shreiber does a good job narrating it.

Speaker 3 (01:27:21):
Aaron Rodgers calls him the voice of God.

Speaker 4 (01:27:23):
He does, yeah, And I think that there's a lot
of aspects of the show that worked a lot better
twenty years ago, say, than it does now because of
social media and because of the access we have to
these stars. But I do think there's still an avenue
where you can make this exciting and interesting, especially this
season with Aaron Rodgers there. And I think it's you
need to make him the focal point, and you need

(01:27:45):
to find a way to make him the focal point.

Speaker 3 (01:27:47):
So how would you handle Zach Wilson.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I mean, this is another big part of the story, right,
I mean, this guy was the second overall pick just
a couple of years ago. He came in with a
lot of fanfare. You obviously saw him back in his
BYU day. He actually got off to remember his first
training camp. He was turning heads like, wow, this kid
has something special and then it just completely unraveled.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
But he's still there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
He's been politically correct by saying, yeah, this is a
go to opportunity for me to learn from one of
the all time greats. I mean, I don't know what
his real mindset is right now, but I think there's
a story there, right.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Yeah. Well, and that's the reason why I say the quarterbacks, Yeah,
just Rogers. But Zach Wilson is an infinitely interesting person
in this conversation because this is somebody who came in
with the number two overall pick to the Jets, was
supposed to be for the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, is
going to be they hope this season. He was supposed

(01:28:48):
to be a culture changing quarterback. He was supposed to
be Joe Namath. He was supposed to be the guy
to win them a super Bowl with this young cast
of super talented players didn't pan out. Can't build around
a quarterback who can't play in this league, and Zach
Wilson can't play in this league, not yet, you know.
So it's going to be very interesting how they handle

(01:29:11):
that storyline again. Making the quarterbacks the focus you have
to do right by Rogers, So I don't think it
would benefit them at all to try to, you know,
create a rift, you know, you know, I mean, I'm
not saying you sugarcoat anything with Zach Wilson, but you know,

(01:29:34):
maybe maybe try to make this the focus of this show,
the fact that he's learning so much from Rogers and
highlighting that. Now, if there is jealousy there, if there
is anger there, if there is animis there, it will
probably benefit Hard Knocks. It'll probably benefit HBO because they

(01:29:54):
may be able to catch that on film. But I again,
I don't know. I mean, Zach Wilson, I think it
would serve him extremely well. And I think this is
probably what he's going to do with this time that
he has Aaron Rodgers as a mentor to you know,
listen and learn and try to improve his game because

(01:30:16):
Aaron Rodgers has an expiration date on him and at
sometime in the near future that his NFL career is
going to end. And if Zach Wilson proves to be
you know, competent in a backup role, maybe he still
can stick around in New York and replace Aaron after
he leaves.

Speaker 3 (01:30:33):
Quinnon Williams, who just sign that monster contract ninety six
million dollars deal with the Jets, one of the great
defensive linemen in this league. He was up with up
on game right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Yeah, and this is what he had to say, some
interesting stuff about Zach Wilson and his early relationship with
Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 11 (01:30:53):
Oh, Man, I haven't been update to see Zack or
none like that they did, but I have counted on
him and stuff like that. He's in great man. He's
a phenomenon quarterback or phenomen the football player. And it's
like I told him, he's a great opportunity for all
of us to learn from a great guy like Aaron Rodgers. Man,
a great guy who can take out all our games
for the next level, not only does Zack all right.

Speaker 2 (01:31:14):
So Quinn Williams confident that the whole team is going
to benefit. Coming up on the other side, I want
to go a little step further with Aaron Rodgers though,
and exactly what the Jets are getting with a quarterback
that again now with the hard knocks addition, Let's face it,
everyone wants to see what Aaron Rodgers is going to
do with the Jets this season. We got a little

(01:31:36):
sneak peek. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harvin and
rich Armburger, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the
tire rack dot Com studios. So yesterday, and I mentioned
this at the top of the show, I'm making history
this weekend. I am the first sports talk show host

(01:31:58):
ever to host shows and consecutive days with two different
members of the twenty twelve Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 3 (01:32:07):
I looked it up. I am the first ever to
do that. Yes, and I don't think it will ever
be duplicated again.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
Well there you go. Well thoughts they get too fad.
I mean Carrie, Carrie was actually coming up. I believe
after this show today he's going to be on with
Brian Knows. So car Carry Rhoades was with me yesterday,
Rich and he began his career with.

Speaker 3 (01:32:27):
The New York Jets.

Speaker 2 (01:32:28):
Yes, and he pointed out the parallels of what's happening
with the Jets in twenty twenty three are almost identical
to what happened fifteen years ago.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
In two thousand and eight.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
The Jets were coming off a disappointing four and twelve season,
and suddenly Brett Favre was their quarterback. And I asked him, so,
what was that experience like? So let's remind everyone he
had a young coach and Eric Mangini, who had been
there the year before, disciple of Bill Belichick, and that

(01:33:03):
Jets team that had been four and twelve the year
before started eight and three with Brett Favart quarterback, a
complete turnaround. Unfortunately, he lied about an elbow injury that
well made him less than effective over the last five
games of the year. They ended up losing for their
last five, finished nine and seven and missed the playoffs.

(01:33:23):
And of course, the next season he was a member
of the Minnesota Vikings. So Iowa Sam, who, by the way,
is wearing a hog Eyes shirt today.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
But you'd love this shirt, you know, I.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
See Iowa and I'm thinking about Iowa Hawkeyes and it's.

Speaker 9 (01:33:38):
Hog eyes with a with a pig pig side silhouette
of a pig.

Speaker 2 (01:33:43):
And he's like, well, that's that's like offensive line. And
I'm like, are you calling rich a pig? Well, you
know those those hog.

Speaker 4 (01:33:49):
Mollies, That's what he's doing.

Speaker 9 (01:33:51):
And it's also it's an ode to Iowa's you know,
agriculture and raising hogs. And I saw it at this
truck stop gift shop and I had to have it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
It was like in so if you were to walk
up to say hi to Kirk Farens and wearing the
hog eyes, sure where you say, oh, that's cool or like.

Speaker 9 (01:34:06):
He definitely say that's cool. Yeah, I'm sure Kirk Farns
has said that's cool like once in his life.

Speaker 2 (01:34:12):
Okay, So yesterday, the only thing that got Sam listening
no on the normal He did pique my interest, yes
was the fact that Carrie talked about the Brett Farv
experience and that he he sort of separated himself from
the rest of the team. Okay, in other words, listen
to this. Brett Farv did not dress for the games

(01:34:36):
in the locker room. In fact, he had a locker
with his name on it, and he never used it.
So I'm like, well, where did he get dressed? He goes,
I think he got dressed with the coaches. Now have
you ever heard anything like that? So he maintained that
even though Brett Farv had a locker in the Jets'

(01:35:00):
locker room, he never ever used it.

Speaker 4 (01:35:05):
Yeah, I've never heard of that. Listen. I mean, there
are certain players that I've played with over the course
of my career that I saw very little of, you know,
that seemed to spend a decent amount of time apart
from the rest of the team, whether it be on
the inside of the locker room or outside. But I've

(01:35:26):
never heard of somebody not getting dressed with the team
who is a teammate. That's a very unique story.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Yeah, well that's a unique story. But it brings up
to me a bigger issue as far as Aaron Rodgers.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers is again one of the greatest
quarterbacks to ever play this.

Speaker 4 (01:35:44):
Game, sure, no question.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
Yeah, but he's also eccentric.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
I mean, I think we can all agree he does
things his way, and he publicizes it.

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
You know, he's not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
Afraid to talk about that he has wound a little
differently than everyone else. He's been very open about this
whole Jets experience. He's been a big positive. We've been
seeing him all over New York. Everything's good now, Yeah,
but what if this young team gets off to a
slow start, As again Carrie said yesterday, As the season

(01:36:17):
progress and things were not going as planned for Brett Favre,
that distance between he and the rest of the team
only grew to the point where, of course, after just
one season, he was no longer a New York Jet.
Do you think that Aaron Rodgers has the kind of
personality that could deal with some kind of distraction or

(01:36:44):
the lack of success. That is very possible, especially with
a young team under the bright lights of New York City.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
Yeah, I really do. I mean, look Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:36:56):
Because I asked him. I asked Carrie. I said, let's
just very quick. I said, let's say four games into
the season. These are the standings in the AFC East.
After four games, the Bills are four to zero, the
Dolphins are three and one, the Patriots are two and two,
and the Jets are one and three only four games
into a seventeen game season.

Speaker 3 (01:37:16):
How will we New York media react to the question.

Speaker 4 (01:37:21):
I get it, Yeah, I get the question. Yeah, And
this has been long discussed and I think it's overblown
and I think it's silly. Aaron Rodgers is a man
who's nearing forty years old. He has played at the
highest level in this league his entire career. He has
exposed himself willingly so to the national media over and

(01:37:42):
over and over again. He's exposed himself willingly so to
controversy over and over and over. Like you said, he's eccentric.
The only reason why we know that is because he's
willing to share that with people. Yes, this estimation that
because Aaron Rodgers spent the major already of his career
in Green Bay, Wisconsin, is not going to be able

(01:38:05):
to handle the pressure of playing New York it falls
on deaf years with me, because he knows what pressure is.
He's a pro, he's been doing this for a long time.
It's I mean, it's borderline ridiculous to even assume that
that's going to be one of the reasons why if
the New York Jets struggle, that they will because that's

(01:38:29):
the least of their concerns. What they need to be
concerned with is keeping the stars around him, the young
stars or the veterans for that matter, healthy, playing as
good of defense as they did last year, because that's
one of the things the Green Bay Packers really struggled
with at times, is their defense giving away games. And
that'll help. And if he's playing on a team with

(01:38:50):
the top five defense, and he inarguably has weapons around
him offensively, unless his play falls off a damn cliff,
the New York Jets are going to be That's fine. Now, Yeah,
if they start out, say they lose a couple of
close ones, and they start out behind the eight ball
a little bit, losing games. We've seen this before. This

(01:39:12):
is this is my problem with this question altogether, Steve, Like,
do you really think that Aaron Rodgers is going to
fall to pieces?

Speaker 3 (01:39:20):
Because I know he'll say you about seven.

Speaker 2 (01:39:24):
Well again, and let's look at the beginning of their schedule, right,
so they're the good news is three of their first
four games are at home. But answer that question, well,
I remember, no sweat, We've heard him before. You're right,
they've gotten off to you know, slow starts in Green Bay.
But it's not Green Bay. I get not Green Bay.
I mean, you can talk about national media, but he's
not he's not in Green Bay. He's not dealing with

(01:39:45):
the New York media on a daily basic, right, But
do you really think I don't know. Okay, I think,
but here's the thing. But I mean, let's look at
the Jets schedule. The interesting thing is, so they have
they have six games before the bye, so they they
have an early buy right, So they have six games,
four of which are at home. But three of those

(01:40:05):
home games are against the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Eagles,
so you.

Speaker 3 (01:40:13):
Know you're hoping.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
And by the way, they also have a road game
against Dallas in Week two, so they've they've got some
tough games, but especially at home, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:40:23):
I mean the little bed.

Speaker 4 (01:40:24):
But I could turn that right around. I could say,
guess what, the Bills, the Chiefs, and the Eagles and
the Cowboys all have a tough matchup with the Jets.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
Well, I'm sure they feel they do, so.

Speaker 4 (01:40:34):
I guess my point in here is this. I mean, yes,
you're right, from a competitive standpoint, there are good teams
in the AFC, and they have a bunch of them
on their schedule. But I'm not for a second going
to assume. And again you answered the question. You said,
you don't know, you don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
I don't know, and that's fine. You know why I
don't know, And that's fine because I still don't know
what kind of the leader Aaron Rodgers. I know what
kind of quarterback he is. Yeah, but a great quarterback
doesn't necessarily make you a great leader.

Speaker 4 (01:41:06):
Well, okay, but this is also a guy who, over
the course of his career, has led multiple teams into
the postseason, who's led multiple.

Speaker 3 (01:41:14):
Teams one Super Bowl appearance.

Speaker 4 (01:41:16):
Yeah, into success in the postseason, has won a Super Bowl,
has won four MVPs. I mean, this isn't We're not
talking about Zach Wilson.

Speaker 3 (01:41:26):
How has he only been to one Super Bowl?

Speaker 4 (01:41:29):
Well, look, there's a million, a myriad of reasons why
a quarterback who's this talented.

Speaker 2 (01:41:35):
I mean, if he was on the ABAC side and
had to go through Tom Brady all those years, that's
one thing, like a Peyton Manning, but no, he was
in the NFC.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, but we're comparing like what he's done to say
a Tom Brady because of his talent. But you have
to also remember that Tom Brady was paired with inarguably
a better coach than than Aaron Rodgers had in Green
Bay through the majority of his career. Bill Belichick is
one of the most creative and brilliant football minds on

(01:42:05):
the planet. Are you going to give Mike McCarthy the
same compliment?

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
You know, I'm not a McCarthy guy.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
So my point is this and Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:42:14):
But then again, Belichick in his ten years without Tom
Brady as his quarterbacks, had seven losing seasons, won one
playoff game.

Speaker 4 (01:42:20):
But that's the pairing is everything. And we've said this.
I've said this multiple times on this show. When you
have a great quarterback show, you're going to show me
a great coach most of the times. Most of the time.
So I'm talking about somebody's going to go to the
Hall of Fame most of the time they have a
great coach behind him. Sometimes it's not the case. And
I mean there are exceptions to every rule. You know.

(01:42:42):
Matthew Stafford is an example of a guy who could
go to the Hall of Fame, and to be perfectly
honest with you, he outside of Sean McVay, outside of
the twilight of his career, assuming he's getting close to retirement.
I mean, he really hasn't had great coaching. So I
look at this pairing of Aaron Rodgers and Salah as

(01:43:05):
He's on his way out of the league and sala
is just getting his feet wet as a head coach,
and I'm intrigued. I think that this could be. This
could work. You know, he also has Nathaniel Hackett as
his offensive coordinator, somebody who he's comfortable with. He's got
Alan Lazard out there, He's got his backup quarterback he wanted.
He's hand selected some of the free agents that they signed.
This is a good opportunity for Aaron. I know what

(01:43:29):
you're driving at. I know we've never seen Aaron Rodgers
outside of Green Bay. And will it have an impact, Yes,
because he's getting used to a new organization, new faces
around the media pool, new locker room, new teammates, etc. Etc. Etc.
But I think one of the last things that I
would personally be worried about if I were Aaron Rodgers

(01:43:51):
head coach or somebody in the Jets organization, is if
he's going to have a tough time with the media.
He's spent his entire career, which has spanned nearly two
decades now dealing with the media. He'll be just fine,
all right.

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Speaker 3 (01:44:16):
Let's find out what is trending right now. Moncie. Are
you a fan of Hard Knocks? Do you watch that series?

Speaker 8 (01:44:23):
I have not watched it.

Speaker 10 (01:44:25):
I have not put it in my rotation of things
to watch, but it seems like something I would enjoy
everything I want.

Speaker 8 (01:44:33):
I know, I know, I know, you know what it is.

Speaker 10 (01:44:35):
It's why I have to have HBO, which I do,
maybe illegally, but I do, but I do.

Speaker 8 (01:44:42):
Wow, So I just haven't done it.

Speaker 10 (01:44:44):
You know, it's hard because like when I'm tired at
the you know, guys, know my schedule is all over
the place, as yours is as well. So at the
end of the day, when you're tired, it's hard to
watch something.

Speaker 8 (01:44:53):
New that you have to pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
Well, first of all, it's a weekly show. So in
other words, once you started, yes, you know, and it's
not like a Netflix series where you can just binge
and watch all the episodes past seasons.

Speaker 8 (01:45:06):
Right right, right, Yeah, So I do plan on watching
this season.

Speaker 10 (01:45:09):
Hopefully I'll be able to do it and watch it
was actually legally in.

Speaker 8 (01:45:13):
Lifetime once a week. I could do it.

Speaker 10 (01:45:15):
I just have not watched past seasons, but I hear
it's really really fun, So I'm sure I love to
see Rich featured.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
I wish Rich, I did. Rich.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
Did you ever play for a team that's featured on
Hard Knocks? No, No, I never did, because you would
have been the perfect such Yes.

Speaker 4 (01:45:32):
I would have loved it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:33):
I'm so fun.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
I am a ham and I would have made sure
that I had something prepared for Hard Knocks. I would
have been pitching things to the producers.

Speaker 10 (01:45:44):
Oh yeah, your bit could have been eating something different
every time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:46):
It could have been that.

Speaker 8 (01:45:47):
It could have been that every time.

Speaker 4 (01:45:49):
Maybe telling a couple of stories about my life. I
don't know. I mean I both song and dance, a
little soft shooting and then move on with the with.

Speaker 8 (01:45:58):
The program would have been. It would have been great.

Speaker 10 (01:46:01):
Well, we'll stay in the NFL because three time All
Pro wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins assigning a two year, twenty
six million dollar deal worth up to thirty two with
incentives with the Tennessee Titans. This deal is expected to
become official over the next few days. Franchise tight end
Evan Ingram and the Jaguars have reached an agreement on
a three year contract worth forty one million that includes

(01:46:22):
twenty four million guaranteed. The NFL's deadline for tag players
to get multi year deals is tomorrow Monday at four
pm Eastern time. We'll move on to Major League Baseball guys.
The White Sox are scoring some more against the Braves.
The latest yeahs. Robert Junior just hit a two run homer.
He has three RBIs and the White Sox are beating
the best team in baseball, the Braves, eight to one,

(01:46:43):
bottom of the six the second best team in baseball.

Speaker 8 (01:46:46):
The Rays are.

Speaker 10 (01:46:47):
Also losing to the Royals three zero, bottom of the
second inning. The Reds have taken the lead over the Brewers.
It's three to two top of the seventh. The Blue
Jays have taken the lead over the Diamondbacks. They were
just tied.

Speaker 8 (01:46:58):
Not anymore. It's three to two. Bottom of the sixth inning.

Speaker 10 (01:47:01):
Orioles are still blanking the Marlins five zero, bottom of
the seventh inning, and the Cardinals have taken the lead
over the Nationals three to one, top of the six,
Red Sox all over the Cubs six zero, bottom of
the fifth. The Guardians are up on the Rangers three
to two bottom of the third, and the Rockies just
scored against the struggling Yankees one zero bottom of the

(01:47:21):
second inning. But according to the athletic Brian Cashman did
say that Aaron Judge.

Speaker 8 (01:47:27):
Is moving in the right direction.

Speaker 10 (01:47:29):
He's responding, well, he's taking some on field BP. He is,
you know, shagging fly balls, doing some running.

Speaker 8 (01:47:35):
So good news.

Speaker 10 (01:47:37):
Maybe they get Aaron Judge back, but is it too late.

Speaker 3 (01:47:42):
Struggling, struggling, He was on his way.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I mean, obviously Otani is a runaway MVP favor.

Speaker 8 (01:47:48):
But yeah he will else.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
Before he got hurt, Judge was.

Speaker 4 (01:47:52):
Killing breaking the record, he said last year.

Speaker 3 (01:47:56):
I mean he's on that base. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:47:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:47:59):
And twenty year old Carlott's Alcaraz has throne number two
see Novak Djokovic. It's his first ever Wimbledon title since
al Karaz was born, so twenty years only four guys
have won.

Speaker 3 (01:48:12):
Yeah, yeah, leading you at one in O two.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Alcaraz was born in two thousand and three, so in
his lifetime only better Nadal Djokovic and Annie Murray had
actually won Wimbledon.

Speaker 8 (01:48:25):
Yes, no, now him crazy crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Born in two thousand and three.

Speaker 4 (01:48:31):
Rich, Yeah, two.

Speaker 8 (01:48:32):
Thousand and three.

Speaker 3 (01:48:34):
He's younger than all my he's younger than all my kids.

Speaker 8 (01:48:37):
Don't put it like that.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
That means people born in two thousand and two can
drink right now? Oh vomit? What vomit?

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, it's amazing when when you
have kids that get to the age like my kids were,
they're these teenage phenomenons, or you know, like someone like
Alcarez at twenty. You don't want to say it, you know,
sometimes they say it like what have I been doing
with my top?

Speaker 3 (01:49:03):
How did I I was?

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
This twenty year old?

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
He got zillions of dollars? Yeah, zillions, zillions. That's good.

Speaker 8 (01:49:12):
I just want a couple thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
We gotta all use whole extra cash, no question.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
You shekels get us through the day.

Speaker 3 (01:49:20):
Ahi on see, thank you Mary much.

Speaker 4 (01:49:23):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Yeah, it's a twenty years born two thousand and three.
Vomit that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:49:31):
It's it's and also like, think about the rest of
his life. He can walk around telling people he's a
Wimbledon winner, like he's not. He's not.

Speaker 12 (01:49:40):
He's not going into his safe and pulling out his
AFC Championship ring and telling people about it. He's pulling
out his he's pulling a Wimbledon trophy.

Speaker 4 (01:49:52):
Yeah. I By the way, why why on earth was
I given an AFC Championship ring? I keep thinking about the.

Speaker 2 (01:50:00):
Consolation prize, a reminder you did not win the championship.

Speaker 4 (01:50:06):
Congratulations you did and win.

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
Yeah, this is a reminder you lost. By the way,
the singles winners in both men's and women's at Wimbledon
received three point one million I'll do for a couple
of weeks of tennis. Not bad, Yeah, not bad at all.
By the way, I'm watching right now, they actually have
the women's doubles final. So when I watch these doubles,
because we never watched doubles ever unless it's played at

(01:50:32):
a Grand Slam tournament, right, and I'm thinking to myself,
why did they still do this? None of the major
singles players, the last one that was like a huge
singles guy that played doubles was McEnroe. He played doubles
about his career, even when he was winning Wimbledon's and
Grand Slams, he played doubles. He had a partner named

(01:50:54):
Peter Fleming, and they were dominant. And Macrol always said
because Macrol had such quick hands and it was devastating doubles.
But most of these doubles players are, you know, players
that obviously just couldn't cut it as singles players.

Speaker 3 (01:51:08):
So the next best thing, I'm trying to figure out
why they still have doubles competition though, Like they're showing
this doubles finals, you can literally count the people in
the seats like there's like there's a couple of you there.
I look at uh yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:51:24):
I look at it doubles tennis like I do the match.
You know, I don't care who you're slamming together on
the golf course unless it's a pandemic. I ain't watching.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
I mean, when the Williams sisters are playing doubles, that
was cool. It was sisters out there.

Speaker 4 (01:51:40):
But I'll be honest with you, though I watched zero
minutes of them playing doubles together.

Speaker 3 (01:51:45):
Have no recall other than they would say they won
and they show him holding And by the way, the
trophies are the doubles are like these old mini trophies.

Speaker 4 (01:51:54):
Like it's like, I mean, like they're there, they're are again.
Like for example, yeah, cricket is really really popular elsewhere
in the world, big time, big right. Rugby I mean
is enormous, enormous in different areas of the world. Field

(01:52:14):
hockey is one of the biggest sports on the planet. Badminton, badminton.
There are just certain sports that don't necessarily resonate with
the American public.

Speaker 2 (01:52:26):
Well and the other thing, and we talked a little
bit about this. In fact, I want to say, because
coming up on the other side, Uh, the NBA, of course,
is introducing the NBA Cup this season.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
How better it'd be one hell of a cup to
get anybody's attention.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
The alternative is so blatantly obvious for the NBA. If
you haven't figured it out, we'll figure it out for you.
Coming up, this is Fox Sports Sunday Steve Hartman and
Rich Harberg or Fox Sports Sunday. We are alive from
the tire rack dot Com studios. Which were you aware
that the Lakers this past season finished in the last place.

(01:53:08):
Yeah alone, Yeah, because they play in the Pacific Division.

Speaker 4 (01:53:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
See, a lot of people aren't even aware because we
only look at the conference standings, you know, like the
seedings in the conference. But they're actually divisions. Yeah, there's
six divisions of five teams each. And this past season,
the Kings won the Pacific Division, followed by the Suns,
the Clippers, Warriors, and the Lakers finished last with a

(01:53:34):
record of forty three and thirty nine. Also, did you
know that the winner of the Pacific Division gets a trophy?

Speaker 4 (01:53:43):
I did not know that.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Yes, in fact, so if.

Speaker 2 (01:53:46):
You win the Pacific Division, you get what is called
the Chuck Cooper Trophy. Chuck Cooper is one of the
first three African Americans to play in the NBA. Each
of the divisions has a trophy presented to them, the
Nat Clifton Award, the Wayne Embry or Ol Lloyd Willis, Reid,

(01:54:07):
Sam Jones, and the Chuck Cooper Trophies. The NBA is suddenly,
under the leadership of Adam Silver, become obsessed with trophies.
They give away a lot of trophies now, so I know,
people don't even know there are divisions anymore. But there's
a division trophy, there's a conference championship trophy, all of

(01:54:30):
which end up in a closet somewhere because no one
is going to put that thing on display, right, So
I'm trying to because I'm looking there's there are a
lot of money spent on these trophies.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
They're actually pretty. I mean they have a similar look
because you have a basketball on them. But I can't
imagine what the NBA Cup was going. I think I
have a cup.

Speaker 4 (01:54:48):
I mean, can it can it be like just like
an actual cup, like a like a jockstrap? Can it?
Can it be that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:57):
I I'm just trying to figure out because I again,
people aren't even aware of these trophies, trophies that they
hand out now for the division winners, and most people
don't even know there are divisions in the NBA. They
know about conferences. But I mean, this NBA Cup has
got to be good, like huge. It's got to be

(01:55:18):
bigger than the Larry O'Brien Trophy, which by the way,
is not one of the most impressive championship trophies.

Speaker 4 (01:55:24):
No, and the Larry O'Brien along with the conference trophies, Yeah,
they had that recent update and they name them things
now and.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Right, well, this is what they did with these divisions,
Nat Clifton, Wayne Ambry, Earl, Lloyd Willis, Reed, Sam Jones,
Chuck Cooper trophies.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
Yeah, and then they also named the MVP.

Speaker 3 (01:55:43):
All the different award trophies that.

Speaker 4 (01:55:45):
They all have like a basketball legend attached to it,
which I get it. I mean it's and you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
Have an MVP Award for conference finals, not only the
NBA Finals, of course you do.

Speaker 3 (01:55:56):
But now you're gonna have the NBA Cup.

Speaker 4 (01:55:58):
Yeah. Look, then cup. It should be disposable. It should
be one of those those coffee cups that you can
throw right in the trash because I think that I
personally believe the NBA Cup is not going to be
for very long. I feel like this is going to
be something that they do for a season. It's going
to be a one off thing or maybe two seasons.

(01:56:20):
Maybe they'll try to find another way to incentivize it,
and then personally, I think it's gonna go away unless
they can find a way to get star players to
care about playing in this tournament and taking it seriously.
It is not going to be It's not going to
be anything anybody cares whether they win or not. And

(01:56:40):
right now, the way they are incentivizing these players to
play seriously in this is by promising them a bonus
of five hundred thousand dollars. Two gentlemen like Jimmy Butler
and Damian Lillard talking about Miami, Lebron James and Anthony
Davis again, if you know, goes to Miami talking about

(01:57:01):
Kawhi Leonard and Paul George, Lebron James and a D
Kevin Durant and Devin Booker. I mean, are these are
these guys, you know, James, Harden, Joelle and b Are
these guys really worried about winning five hundred thousand bucks? Well,
my point is, I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
Whether they're worried about putting a few extra dollars in
their bank account. The idea that this is going to
be going, So the NBA Cup is going to go
between November third and December ninth, right in the heart
of the NFL season.

Speaker 4 (01:57:34):
That's when like the NFL season turns on for real,
for real.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
And by the way, not to mention college football. Yeah sure, okay,
so you're going into the meat of the schedule, certainly
for the college football season, and very much for the
NFL season.

Speaker 3 (01:57:49):
So and obviously you and I do shows throughout the
football season.

Speaker 2 (01:57:53):
Yeah, and the idea that we would talk about anything
other than the NFL even if there's not an NFL
game that day. So they're trying to schedule games where
there's not an NFL game, Like, I mean, the idea
that we stop talking about NFL just because there's not
an NFL game on a Wednesday, is it, sir?

Speaker 4 (01:58:15):
Beyond believe this is going to This is how this
is going to be treated. I promise you it is
going to be one of those things where you're either
going to I mean, if you're going to even address it,
you're going to discuss it as if it is as
if it is any other regular season game.

Speaker 2 (01:58:34):
Well, they's all they've done is relabel regular season. That's
just by saying they're a tournament game.

Speaker 4 (01:58:39):
So if something astounding happens in one of these regular
season games, like an official miss, a blatant foul, you
know there was an incident of some sort, this is
going to fly completely under the radar on most people's
on most people's radar, and you know, maybe in the
markets where these teams play It'll get a little bit

(01:59:01):
of publicity, especially if the team that they're focused on
is making a run like out in Denver, if the
Nuggets are advancing to the the NBA Cup Finals or
something like that, yeh sure maybe. But outside of that,
this is not gonna cut through. And then on top
of it, the point that I was trying to make
is the only way that this is gonna work is
if the stars play, and the star players who are

(01:59:24):
making the most money in the league, I don't think
care if you're gonna offer them five hundred thousand dollars
to get off their button play hard.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
That's only for the winning team. By the way, if
you go out in the quarterfinals, they give you fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:59:36):
Thousand, right, It's it's trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
This is a league that had sixty six players make
at least twenty million in salary last year.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
Yeah, it's not going to be important enough to enough
of the players who matter the most for them to
sacrifice resting an injury or taking load management days to
go play in this fictitious, ridiculous look.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
If you want more eyeballs in the NBA, move this
season back. Stop playing NBA games in November. That'll help
stop right now as we head to the end of July,
we should be talking about the NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (02:00:14):
Move the season back, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
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Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
Buying should be. Do you consider these the dog days
of summer? Rich?

Speaker 4 (02:00:51):
I don't know. I sort of feel like the days
are pretty full. I know a lot of people complain
that there's nothing on the sports calendar, but you know
there's news when you look for it.

Speaker 3 (02:01:00):
Oh yeah, Oh, there's always news.

Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
It's just a matter of you know, being sort of
paying attention. Like I'll give you an example of something
that's sliding under the radar right now. And I have
no idea if there's credence to this whatsoever. But on
the heels of the DeAndre Hopkins signing to the Tennessee
Titans two year deal. Matthew Judon, who's a member of

(02:01:25):
the New England Patriots who is actively recruiting d Hop
to join them, has quote tweeted Dove Kleman's tweet and
said fake news. So I don't know, maybe Judon knows
something we don't, or maybe Dove Cleman got the scoop
or is re reiterating the news from Tom Pelisario, who

(02:01:48):
I believe had it first, And is it possible they
got something wrong. I guess it's possible. But also, DeAndre
Hopkins has now since instagrammed out a fat photo of
him and Derrick Henry together with just you know, the
caption being dot dot dot right, So it feels like

(02:02:08):
a done deal. But that what we've.

Speaker 2 (02:02:09):
Seen, guys, look at I I do not envy, and
I understand this if you are an insider, yeah, for
any sport. Yeah, And obviously we know all the elite
names out there.

Speaker 4 (02:02:22):
We just spoke to one, right, JP Morosi.

Speaker 2 (02:02:25):
So, but if you're the pressure on these men and
women that hold those positions to break stories.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
Is intense.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
I mean, the d Hop story, if you are the
one that breaks it first, that's that's.

Speaker 3 (02:02:43):
A feather and cap, that's big time.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
But sometimes you gotta be careful because usually how they
operate and I've known them all over the years, and
again I would not want to be in that position
because you it is so competitive and you've got insiders
with an organized whether it's you know, executives or coaches
or players or agents, and then you have to and

(02:03:09):
it's a trade off, yeah, you know. So it's where
and that's why sometimes.

Speaker 3 (02:03:15):
You see rumors that are floated out there specifically to
try to force the hand of a team or teams
to make a bit on a certain player.

Speaker 2 (02:03:25):
And where do those rumors come from? So it's a
trade off. I'll give you information. You got to help
me though, that's right.

Speaker 3 (02:03:33):
So it's their play it back. So we'll see how
that all plays out.

Speaker 2 (02:03:38):
But you're right, I mean, there's always a lot of
things going on throughout the entire year. You know, when
we talk about the month of July, and I was
just mentioning it before the break, it really is. I
mean with baseball, like the next couple of weeks are
going to be talking about potential trades.

Speaker 3 (02:03:55):
Obviously, the biggest name out there is Otani. Is he
going to be trader or is he not going to
be traded. I don't think he's going to be.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Traded for all the reasons you've given, Rich, I mean,
it just it just doesn't make sense. By the way,
speaking of Otani for a second, here, I saw one insider.
You know, I'm reading a lot of different people and
their spin on the Otani situation, but this one made
sense to me. So Tani has made it infinitely clear

(02:04:19):
that whether he remains an Angel or goes to another team,
he does not have any interest on playing on the
East Coast none. So he wants to be on a
West Coast team that he deems where he's not going
to have a huge spotlight, which would eliminate a team
called the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:04:41):
So all of a sudden, if he doesn't return to
the Angels, that really only leaves three other teams, not
including Oakland. It would either be the Mariners, the Giants,
or the Padres. Right and so, and we know this
about the Padres because you and I Rich were there.
You know, the whole Otani thing came down where he

(02:05:02):
ends up signing with the Angels. Pottery's were in the
mix all the way to the end. Aj Preller in fact,
the general manager of the Padres. Then he learned some Japanese. Yeah,
he actually you try to learn speaking Japanese to help
with the negotiation, to try to bring him. At the
last second, he ends up with the Angels. But if
you talk about Otani situation, if that's the case, then

(02:05:26):
like if the Yankees or the any team on the
East Coast said, hey, we'd love to get Otani in
for a couple of months, You're gonna cut your entire
farm system for a guy that has zero intention of
signing with you.

Speaker 4 (02:05:38):
Yeah, zero, Yeah, I mean, that's that's my.

Speaker 3 (02:05:41):
That doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 4 (02:05:42):
That's my problem with this whole theory that Otani is
the hottest name on the trade block. He's not. First
of all, the Angels over the next month, who are
sitting at a game under.

Speaker 3 (02:05:54):
Five hundred without Mike Trout for two mos without.

Speaker 4 (02:05:57):
Mike Trout, Grannon have an opportunity to hear if they
step up to potentially put together still something that resembles
a good season and potentially a playoff run. Otani would
be an important part of that. And also you would
reap the benefits of keeping him on the other side
of the trade deadline if this season, you know, turns
in a positive direction. So I think there's motivation there

(02:06:21):
for the Angels to play well. Obviously, there's motivation for
the organization to try to get something for Otani if
things go really poorly. But again, I think their biggest
issue is going to be I think the biggest issue
is that the hall that any team willing to part

(02:06:42):
ways with to get Otani is going to be so
crippling to that organization where he goes to, unless Otani
elects to stay there.

Speaker 3 (02:06:51):
Okay, let me.

Speaker 4 (02:06:52):
So, so name a team right now who would trade
for Otani who would be able to retain him long
term based on I'm going to give you about otandres.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
Think about the Padres for second here. So you're the
Angels and you want to haul in return. Well, I
got a lot of talent on this team.

Speaker 4 (02:07:09):
No, no, no, the Padres don't have enough in their
farm system. Would you could trade Tatis? I don't know, man,
you don't know. I don't think the fan base. I
think if you're the Padres.

Speaker 3 (02:07:20):
I don't think anybody in the Padres would miss Tatis.

Speaker 4 (02:07:23):
I think that I'm not saying the Padres because if if,
if you could get the type of ballplayer that Otani
is and trade away Fernando Tatis Junior so as well.
But that's my point.

Speaker 3 (02:07:36):
You're going to snell Okay, No, I mean, look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:07:40):
It's going to be a botload, right, and he's only
going to go to a team where he could see
a future with down the road.

Speaker 4 (02:07:46):
You're you're talking about all the pieces that he's gonna
need around him right now at the major league level
to continue having success.

Speaker 3 (02:07:52):
I don't know, those pieces aren't working very well.

Speaker 4 (02:07:55):
Soto is kind of a rental. We knew that. I mean,
everybody knew that here's.

Speaker 3 (02:07:59):
One more on his deal after this.

Speaker 4 (02:08:01):
Yeah, right, but but you know it was a two
year rental. Sure, everybody was aware of that. And I mean,
unless the Padres are interested in resigning Soda after having
some up and down but mostly up this season performances,
we'll see, We'll see what the future holds. Fernando Tatis
Junior is bedrock. He was selled to the fan base

(02:08:21):
as somebody that the Padres are going to hold on
to long term. Now, he did have the suspension which
changed certain people's minds, but he's back in their good graces.
The problem again is though, if you trade Soto Snell,
you trade who else did you throw into that? Oh, Fernando, Yeah,
to the Angels for Otani. You have stripped away the

(02:08:44):
best hitter on the Padres this season. Who's Soto? The
future of the Padres, which is Tatis, and the best pitcher,
the ace of this staff right now in Blake Snell.

Speaker 3 (02:08:54):
You know who's a better hitter than Soto. That would
be Otani.

Speaker 4 (02:08:57):
Well, there's no doubt about it. But again, you have
a top heavy lineup in San Diego already. You're going
to get rid of two of your best hitters and
replace it with one. It doesn't make any sense. Again,
this goes back to my original point. This is going
back to my original point. Otani is untradable. Every time
you come to me with a trade situation that seems

(02:09:19):
to make sense to you or anybody else, it doesn't
make sense to me, because again you're gonna have to
give the Angels too much for to actually make sense.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
Well, do you know that, I don't know how many
people pay attention to this war stat you know has
the highest war right now in the Padres this season.

Speaker 4 (02:09:36):
The highest war I would assume would be Fernando.

Speaker 2 (02:09:40):
Fernando's second. Okay, also behind him are Soto and Manny
and Snell and Muscove. They're all behind This guy is
the number one war guy in the Podres this season.
His name is Hassan Kim. Okay, Hassan Kim has the
highest fielding war in all of Major League Baseball.

Speaker 4 (02:09:57):
Wait, you were just talking about fielding war or overall war.

Speaker 2 (02:10:01):
His war is at four point two. Fernando's at three
point nine. So let's say you get rid of Fernando,
you get rid of Soda, you get rid of Snell,
you still have us On Kim, you have Machado, you
have Muskrove, and now you just added Shoe.

Speaker 4 (02:10:17):
To the war stat doesn't talk about hitting with with with.

Speaker 3 (02:10:22):
The one stat is all inclusive.

Speaker 4 (02:10:23):
No, I understand that, But but the focus of like again,
we're we're getting really into the weeds talking about the problem.

Speaker 3 (02:10:30):
But I'm trying to make a deal for.

Speaker 4 (02:10:32):
It's just look, it's this is too obscure, it's too
out there. I want to get out of the weeds,
and I want to talk about this in more general terms. Okay,
the the because look, most of America listening to this conversation,
who cares about Otani? Which they should because Otani, in
my estimation, is the best athlete on the planet right
now the way he's dominating baseball. I I don't think

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he's getting enough respect for that. However, I don't think
he's a tradable candidate because even what you just outlined,
it doesn't matter what team you go to Orioles Cincinnati.
I've heard, you know, teams that have a strong farm
system or have a young team that's over performing right now.
There's there's a couple of teams out there who may
have may have room in the future to sign him

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if he likes the success that he's tasted. You know,
with these teams, there's so few out there who either
A can afford him or b can afford to trade
for him, that it just doesn't make sense. I don't
think he's tradable. And if he is, by the way,
if they end up pulling the trigger and the Angels
do trade him and they don't get an absolute massive

(02:11:40):
haul in return like something that Dwarfs with the Padres
traded for Juan Soto, for example, dwarfs Thattyo because he's
also an ace pitcher. He's not just a brilliant hit
or he's an ace pitcher. Well, then you are going
to be the laughing stock of baseball. And I don't
think with any general.

Speaker 2 (02:11:57):
Afterwardsdo tatis juniors under con track for.

Speaker 3 (02:12:01):
Okay, I'm just not happening, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:12:03):
So so your prediction is there is no tra I
would agree with you, and you know I've been in
lockstep with you, the idea that he is not trade
a bull. No, But if you think about which teams
most likely would he go to, I still think he's
going to stay an angel. If I'm already Moreno, who decided,
you know, to not sell the team?

Speaker 3 (02:12:24):
All I tell show he is very simple. Bring me
all the offers, and whatever the offers are, we'll top it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
Yeah. Period, I'll give you a dollar more.

Speaker 3 (02:12:34):
Yeah, I'll give whatever whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
Anybody who's seven hundred million dollar deal, eight hundred million,
we will top it.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
Show show me a text message, That's what I would say.
If I'm already Moreno, Yeah, show me a text message.
Let me ask you this, these general managers, and I'll
give you a dollar more to stay here with the Angel.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Does Otani strike you as someone that is just about
the money?

Speaker 4 (02:12:57):
No, I agree Otani Otani feels Look, I don't know him,
none of us do from a personal standpoint, but he
feels like a principled person, That's.

Speaker 3 (02:13:09):
What I'm asking and also feel like a money guy.

Speaker 4 (02:13:11):
And also he kind of he's gonna make a lot
of money either way, but he also kind of feels
like a guy who maybe his loyalty and I'm not
even saying this is naivety. I'm saying this is a
good thing. His character and his loyalty may blind him
to some of the greater problems in with the Angels

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franchise that they have really struggled to develop outside of
Mike Trout real talent out of their farm system that
has helped them in any meaningful way over the past decade.
And as a result, they've they've really struggled. And then
as also as a result, they've they've had a hard time. Well,
I shouldn't say as a result, they've traded away some

(02:13:53):
farm pieces for sure to bring in big name potential
free agents and resign them, but they've missed a couple
and it's really hindered them. So the Angels have some
work to do if they're going to retain oh Tani.
But I still put them in the lead seed in
terms of the team that most likely ends up with
him long term.

Speaker 3 (02:14:13):
I mean just hitting wise, he leads the majors in
home runs, slugging percentage, ops, ops plus total bases. Those
are just the offensive categories. Actually leads the majors in triples.

Speaker 2 (02:14:29):
I mean I again, And the fact that they sign
them to a one year, thirty million dollar contract that
might be the biggest bargain ever.

Speaker 3 (02:14:37):
Yeah, thirty million, it's pretty pretty subsidient.

Speaker 2 (02:14:41):
That's thirteen million less the Max Schuzer is making this year.
And the last time I ever checked sures there's not
a DH So there you go. All right, Coming up
on the other side, we'll get back to some NFL news.

Speaker 3 (02:14:53):
Why not, because the NFL is where it's at.

Speaker 2 (02:14:55):
Do we have any latest rumors about these running backs
and why the running back was physician? Maybe you should
re examine even wanting to be a running back. Think
about it. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 3 (02:15:08):
I'd buy that for a dollar.

Speaker 2 (02:15:10):
Steve Harvey, Rich Torberger, Fox Sports Sunday. We are live
from the Tirak dot com studios. All Right, we get
a lot of social media activity during the show, Rich,
I wanted to catch up on a few things that
I've been reading here. First of all, Rich Marauda is
a legendary broadcaster out of southern California. Have been a
dear friend of mine and a fan of ours for many,

(02:15:31):
many years. Says very nice things about us.

Speaker 3 (02:15:34):
He said.

Speaker 4 (02:15:35):
This was early in the show.

Speaker 2 (02:15:36):
He said, no surprise at can Harmon at Ormberger are
talking in detail about Djokovic versus Alcarez's five set epic
at Wimbledon, they can talk about something else besides where
Damian Loeler will play next season or the New York
Jets on hard Knocks.

Speaker 3 (02:15:50):
By the way, we covered those as well, so we
cover that today. Also.

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
We were talking earlier about Iowa. Sam has been to
just about everyone's place that works here at Fox Sports Reddit.
He mentioned there's only been three and then this came through. Hey, Sam,
you forgot to mention going to Casa Deel Mallor for
Ben's annual Christmas slash Honka party.

Speaker 9 (02:16:16):
Yeah, I've been there actually a couple of times now
and you forget not mentioned that I forgot.

Speaker 3 (02:16:20):
Yeah, he's got a nice home, right and.

Speaker 9 (02:16:22):
Uh, locations undisclosed.

Speaker 2 (02:16:25):
Well if you if you forgot Ben's, there's probably others
you forgot about.

Speaker 4 (02:16:28):
Then I'm trying to think here.

Speaker 9 (02:16:31):
No, I don't think, because you've been to probably what
you know, I've been to A Rich Davis's house of
Kavina Rich. Wow, there it is Davis, Ben, Mike Harmon.

Speaker 3 (02:16:41):
Yeah, you really do find your way around America's Guest.
It's self invited. Pretty incredible, although Ben did invite.

Speaker 4 (02:16:50):
Me to his party.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
By the way, I actually met Cato Kalin on a
number of occasions.

Speaker 3 (02:16:55):
He's a big sports fan. Really good guy, like really good.
You know Ada Kalin is right? Uh you got the
house guest and the O. J. Simpson. Uh, yeah, I
mean I got it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:05):
I Gary, have you ever did you ever visit that house?

Speaker 3 (02:17:08):
That house?

Speaker 4 (02:17:08):
I didn't by No, I was asking Sam. I was Sam, Yeah,
did you ever?

Speaker 3 (02:17:12):
Were you ever in the No, even in the guest house. No,
I know that house doesn't exist anymore all the way,
but anyway, Yeah, he was known as America's Guest.

Speaker 4 (02:17:22):
Yeahta Kitton.

Speaker 3 (02:17:23):
But I think Sam, you've taken over there. I think
that's quite a different circumstances.

Speaker 4 (02:17:28):
Maybe maybe not. I don't know, Sam.

Speaker 2 (02:17:29):
I mean, by the way, I was, I always listened
to you on Saturdays.

Speaker 3 (02:17:35):
I love your Saturday show.

Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (02:17:37):
Who was the one that boasted the pick of the
week and was taken the under in the w NBA
All Star Game?

Speaker 4 (02:17:44):
That would be Jared Smith.

Speaker 3 (02:17:46):
Yeah, jareded unfortunately was not right on that one.

Speaker 4 (02:17:49):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:17:50):
In fact, it turnout to be the highest scoring w
NBA All Star Game of all time. I think the
over runner was two forty nine. They scored two seventy.
Oh wow, Yeah, I mean it was obliterated and ascu
did you see her three point? What did she how
to make? She made eighteen in a row? Did you
see that she made?

Speaker 4 (02:18:11):
Yeah? How many ways?

Speaker 3 (02:18:14):
She made twenty? But in a row?

Speaker 4 (02:18:16):
Is that? Now?

Speaker 2 (02:18:17):
Can we turn on Monzi's my hare because I honestly
was not watching the w NBA All Star festivities, but
I saw highlights that she like, Yes.

Speaker 8 (02:18:25):
She actually only missed two.

Speaker 10 (02:18:27):
Funny she missed her very first shot, then made twenty
in a row.

Speaker 3 (02:18:31):
Twenty in a row in a row shot.

Speaker 10 (02:18:33):
Correct, and even the deep corner ones, you know how
we do. In the regular NBL Star Game, the had both.

Speaker 8 (02:18:38):
Uhuh.

Speaker 10 (02:18:39):
For the bonus, she had both of those, and then
it wasn't until almost the last rack that she missed
the other ones.

Speaker 8 (02:18:43):
She only missed two.

Speaker 10 (02:18:44):
The first one twenty in a row, missed another, and
then finished strong. No super super which I when I saw.

Speaker 3 (02:18:52):
Is the Is the women WNBA three point line the
same as the NBA three point line? No? No, I
didn't think it's not.

Speaker 8 (02:18:59):
But still you got twenty in a row.

Speaker 3 (02:19:00):
Yeah, that's pretty good.

Speaker 8 (02:19:02):
People were poo pooing it online that it wasn't.

Speaker 10 (02:19:04):
Because people technically, I know good, she technically beat Steph
Curry's record like points wise and all that.

Speaker 3 (02:19:11):
See. I don't like that comparison, but that's it's true.

Speaker 8 (02:19:14):
Though it is a.

Speaker 2 (02:19:15):
Fact, but it's it's not because it's not the same.
It's like when the Yukon women won ninety in a row,
the women's basketball team, they say they broke UCLA's record
of eighty.

Speaker 3 (02:19:25):
Eight in a row. I'm like, when is They're not
even the same sport? When is men's tennis the other's
women's tennis, it's they got a disagree though.

Speaker 8 (02:19:32):
I understand.

Speaker 10 (02:19:33):
I understand that they're not doing the exact same thing,
like I get that, but in.

Speaker 2 (02:19:37):
Your Raco record, it's still the record on the men's side.
To me, it's a disservant. I've said this many times.
I think the pool Caps get to somehow, you know,
justify a record that it has to be compared to
the men.

Speaker 3 (02:19:49):
It can stand on its own, it can't.

Speaker 8 (02:19:51):
Stand on its own, and she stands over Yeah, steph.

Speaker 2 (02:19:54):
Poo pookay and so much poo poo, how much? Now
we got the Women's World Cup starting. The United States
team is trying to win a third straight World Cup,
something that's never happened on the men's side. The country's
ever won three consecutive World Cup. I feel like I've

(02:20:14):
been watching the Women's World Cup all the way since
ninety nine, you know, the famous victory at the Rose
Bowl and everything else. Is that something you're going to
be watching rich Women's World Cup?

Speaker 4 (02:20:25):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (02:20:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:20:26):
I tune in for it. I think it's look, I
have to admit more and more the international competitions haven't
been I remember growing up the Olympics were really important
to me. Yeah, they were on my house all the time,
sure it, it was a fascination. I didn't grow up

(02:20:46):
in a household that cared much about soccer, So the
World Cup was never turned on television. I'm not even
one hundred percent sure it was televised in the nineties.
I couldn't tell you.

Speaker 3 (02:20:56):
It was because I watched it with my father in
law in the nineties.

Speaker 4 (02:21:00):
Didn't tell you whether it was or wasn't. It just
never ended up being on our television. Right. So, now,
as an adult, I've watched I think every World Cup
games that the US has played in. Yeah, and then
also all of the Olympics, or I shouldn't say all
of the Olympics, but I tune in each year. But

(02:21:21):
I'm more and more disillusioned by it because there's there's
this feeling that I have and maybe this will eventually
matriculate its way into college athletics as well. Where this
used to be important because it was amateurism. This used
to be important because there was this at least maybe
it was just a sold Maybe it was just a

(02:21:43):
sold thought process that that you were watching all of
these countries' best amateurs compete against each other.

Speaker 2 (02:21:51):
Well, first of all, we were amateurs. The other countries
were not well, sure, especially the comedies. Communist countries were
subsidizing their athletes.

Speaker 4 (02:21:58):
Yeah, the United States was was providing their amateurs.

Speaker 3 (02:22:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:22:02):
And then you know, obviously the Dream Team changed that.
And then obviously the marketability of these Olympics stars et cetera,
et cetera. They're all professional athletes now, and so I
don't know, it's diminished at something for me a little bit.
And then on top of it, like to be perfectly
frank with you, like the the failure of the men's

(02:22:22):
team in the World Cup to have success on the
world stage, right, I mean, I'm out.

Speaker 3 (02:22:27):
Well when we're talking about the ladies because they've had
they dominated. Yeah, the World's Cup.

Speaker 4 (02:22:31):
That that has been the one that I'll stick through
the most. But yeah, I mean again, even then, my
my interest level was Wayne. As I've gotten older, I've
become less interested in international sports and more interesting interesting frankly,
in like the NFL, Major League Baseball, in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (02:22:51):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:22:52):
Yeah, that's interesting. All right, let's find out what's trending
right now. Let's find out if Moncey believes the same.

Speaker 3 (02:22:58):
Monsey, do you have a keen Athlee yes, oh no, no,
but that's an America.

Speaker 2 (02:23:04):
But I mean, do you have a keen interest in
what's happening on the international sports stage.

Speaker 10 (02:23:10):
Yeah, not as much as the stuff we have going
on here, but yes, yeah, my family is definitely into
all international soccer, you know.

Speaker 8 (02:23:18):
Yeah, we're Coasta Regan.

Speaker 2 (02:23:20):
We just lost Chris here, who's a big international side. Well,
how about you any interest in international sports?

Speaker 8 (02:23:28):
Soccer?

Speaker 11 (02:23:29):
Yeah, yeah, soccer, basketball like foeba, I'll watch that, you do, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:23:35):
Yeah, I mean I'll be watching the ladies. I've been
watching the World Cup for the on the lady side forever.

Speaker 8 (02:23:40):
Yeah, you have to there.

Speaker 4 (02:23:42):
Are definitely, I just feel this way about the World Cup.
Like I'm I'm not a year round soccer fan. I'm
not a year round Olympics fan. Yeah, and so I'm
jumping in on storylines that have to be tall to
me and taught to me, sure, like you know, in haste,
like you know, like when I watch that NFL, Major
League Baseball, Like I pay close attention to these sports

(02:24:04):
on a daily basis. And not to say that the
competitiveness of the women's side or the more frankly, the
men's side in recent years getting better isn't interesting. It's
just I just don't know these players, right. I might
know one or two of them by name, and outside
of that, it's just a bunch of anonymous guys or
gals competing. So I don't know for me obvious, and

(02:24:27):
I feel like I'm probably speaking for a lot of
people in this country. The NBA, the MLB, and the
NFL are far more interesting because I'm attached to the
storylines of these players. As you know, the soap opera
continues to play out over years and years and years.

Speaker 8 (02:24:44):
They're just more relatable to you.

Speaker 10 (02:24:46):
Yeah, exactly exactly, which I mean. That makes sense, and
that can be with anything with any score, even if
somebody doesn't follow a particular score. Here in the US,
they're just more relatable, so you feel more connected.

Speaker 8 (02:24:56):
I get that. Let's check in on Major League based.

Speaker 10 (02:25:00):
A couple of games have wrapped up, like the Giants
beating the Pirates eight to four. They scored five runs
in the tenth inning to get this victory. The White
Sox did hand the Braves their second straight loss, and
it was another dominant performance. Eight to one was the
final score. Louise Robert Junior went four for five at
the plate, a two run homer, three RBIs in the victory.
The Orioles held on to beat the Marlins five to four,

(02:25:22):
but the Marlins scored four runs in the bottom of
the ninth inning to make it interesting. But we got
to check in on Luis Ariz. He went zero for
five at the plate today, but he's still batting three eighty,
which is still above.

Speaker 3 (02:25:36):
He's not hitting four hundred.

Speaker 10 (02:25:37):
Okay, he's not hitting but he's still three eight.

Speaker 8 (02:25:40):
Don't don't be poo pooing. We already said we don't
like pot I kick that.

Speaker 4 (02:25:46):
Stop it with.

Speaker 8 (02:25:49):
Yes, no poo pooing anymore.

Speaker 4 (02:25:52):
You sound like an outboard motor on a boat when
you try to roll your rs.

Speaker 8 (02:26:01):
That's good, that's good.

Speaker 10 (02:26:03):
The next best team in baseball is also losing. The
Royals are dominating the Rays seven zero. They're about to
start the bottom of the seventh inning. The Brewers and
the Reds have been back and forth. Brewers back on top,
four to three, bottom of the ninth inning in Cincinnati.
The Reds are down to their final out. The Blue
Jays holding onto their lead over the Diamondbacks at home
seven to two. Top of the ninth inning. The Padres

(02:26:24):
and the Phillies were on a rain delay for like
last hour and a half two hours. Padres are officially
on the scoreboard.

Speaker 8 (02:26:29):
One zero.

Speaker 10 (02:26:30):
Top of the first inning, Red Sox all over the
Cubs eleven to one. Bottom of the eighth, Cardinals beating
the Nationals eight to three.

Speaker 8 (02:26:37):
We're back on a rain delay.

Speaker 10 (02:26:38):
It's the bottom of the seventh inning, Guardians beating the
Rangers three to two. Bottom of the seventh, Rockies still
up on the Yankees one zero, bottom of the fifth,
Mariners up on the Tigers one zero, as up on
the Twins one zero early in the games for those
two and then yes, we have a twenty year old
champion number one seed Carlos Akraaz to throw number two.
See Novak Djokovic and the men's singles final twin is

(02:26:59):
first ever Wimbledon title and Novak Djokovic after said that
he's never played a player like Carlos Alcoraz.

Speaker 8 (02:27:06):
This was the quote.

Speaker 10 (02:27:08):
People have been talking about his game, consisting of certain
elements from Roger Rafa and myself. I'd agree with that
he's basically got the best of all three worlds.

Speaker 8 (02:27:17):
I haven't played a player like him.

Speaker 3 (02:27:19):
Ever, that's some of the shots he was making today
were stupid, unbelievable.

Speaker 10 (02:27:27):
Yeahs ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (02:27:31):
So I and Djokovic was excited for the kid, Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:27:35):
Yes, he genuinely excited to have a look at it.
You know, if you're part of tennis history like a Djokovic, right,
you're excited that there's another kid they keep it going.

Speaker 3 (02:27:47):
You know, Better's retired, Adull's got one more year.

Speaker 4 (02:27:50):
Ye.

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
Obviously, Djokovic on the back end of his career and
you want the sport to continue to go, right, So
he's thrilled for sure.

Speaker 8 (02:27:58):
It is going. DeAndre Howlkins is going to Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (02:28:01):
Is that true?

Speaker 8 (02:28:02):
That's what they're saying.

Speaker 10 (02:28:04):
Apparently he's signing a two year deal twenty six million
worth up to thirty two million with incentives with the
Tennessee with the Tennessee Titans. So if he reaches ninety
five catches, one thousand and fifty yards and ten touchdowns,
he gets all the incentives. It's obviously broken down even more.
But if he wants allston in fifty thousand and fifty.

Speaker 3 (02:28:23):
In a seventeen game season.

Speaker 8 (02:28:25):
Yes, ten touchdowns byty.

Speaker 3 (02:28:26):
Yards a game, he better hit that keep mill back
to you, Gays, Hi, great stuff is always now.

Speaker 2 (02:28:34):
As I mentioned, I love listening to Rich on his
Saturday show, And you were bringing up Austin Eckler.

Speaker 6 (02:28:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28:42):
So Austin Eckler the last two seasons for the Chargers
has played every single game, let's just start right there,
all right, thirty three straight games. In those thirty three games,
he has scored thirty eight touchdowns. He has led the
NFL and touchdowns scored each of the last two years.
Two years ago was twenty. Last you're eighteen. So he's
durable and productive. I mean, what more do you want

(02:29:06):
out of a player?

Speaker 4 (02:29:06):
Right?

Speaker 2 (02:29:07):
I want a guy that's there to answer the bell
and then when he's on the field to be productive.
And Austin Eckler boom check, boom check. And he can't
get any extra money, you know, a few incentives and
everything else. And it just to me brings up the
idea because it used to be Rich. If you're a
running back, if you're good enough to be a running back,

(02:29:29):
you could probably play almost any position out on the field.
I mean, you could be a safety, you could be
a corner, you could be a wide receiver. In some
cases you might even be able to be a quarterback.
Why would any want to be a running back if
you know now that a Dalwn Cook who's had for sike.
Because we were watching that quarterback show on Netflix. I
was watching my son Garrett. He's like, because they're showing

(02:29:51):
Kirk Cousin highlights and he's like, why would the Vikings
get rid of Dalwn Cook? Another guy who by the way,
played all seventeen games a year ago as.

Speaker 3 (02:30:00):
A pro bowler.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
Why why again, if you were a young player and
you have that kind of talent to play the running
back position, wouldn't you say, you know what, I'm gonna
play cornerback instead, or a wide receiver or something along
those lines. They're getting paid running backs are not.

Speaker 4 (02:30:18):
Well, all right, you're you're saying if you're a younger player,
I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (02:30:21):
About a younger player.

Speaker 2 (02:30:22):
And let's say I'm coming out of high school and
I'm one of those you know, five star guys, and
they say, yep, we're gonna have you at running back.
I'm like, I'm I'm so sure about that, all right.
Let's cause at the end of that, I want to
play in the NFL. That's not where the money is.

Speaker 4 (02:30:36):
Let's let's put this on perspective. Okay, I'm not saying
that Austin Eckler or Sakwon Barkley, or or any of
these running.

Speaker 3 (02:30:47):
Backs Dalvin Cook.

Speaker 4 (02:30:48):
Yes, I'm not saying for a second that they do
not have a case and and that that case is
actually warranted and and of of sound logic. But like,
for example, Austin Eckler, over a four year contract, will
make twenty four and a half million dollars, and then

(02:31:10):
he's added incentives by openly complaining about how he feels
he's underpaid, like I do. Yes, there there is a
point to be made about young athletes potentially being interested
in changing their positions. But if a young Austin Eckler
was asked, you know, prior to being an undrafted free

(02:31:33):
agent in the NFL, even during college, if he would
ever change his position because twenty four and a half
million dollars wouldn't be enough, he would laugh at you
and he would say, hey, where do I sign that contract?
That sounds more than fair. Look, we're talking about millionaires,
and we're talking about a tremendous amount of money, and
we're talking about complaints that do not resonate with the everyman,

(02:31:58):
Like there are people who are brain making their back
digging ditches in this country who aren't nearly admittedly as
talented as Austin Eckler or Dalvin Cooker, Saquon Barkley or
Josh Jacobs. They're not, and nobody is interested in watching
them dig ditches. Everybody is interested in watching Austin Eckler
and Saquon Barkley run the football. But my point is
that this, this complaining about how they're they're not being

(02:32:22):
valued while making tens of millions of dollars is it's
a hard argument. It falls on deaf years with fans,
these these public conversations about this are difficult for the
fan base, Like this is the reason why football players
typically lose favors in these holdouts against owners, because they'll

(02:32:45):
say something that sounds greedy, because in some ways it
kind of is you know, they're thinking about theirselves instead
of their team success. It's a team support, et cetera,
et cetera. But at the same token, I don't blame
them because guess what anybody in their situation would do
what they're doing if it meant on the other side
of it, making a boatload of money. And my argument

(02:33:07):
was everybody looks at Le'Veon Bell and they talk about
it like, boy, he really he strewed his career, did he?
I mean Le'Veon Bell held out a year in Pittsburgh
and then he made a gigantic amount of money signing
a huge contract with the New.

Speaker 3 (02:33:22):
York Jets and didn't produce, by the way.

Speaker 4 (02:33:24):
Didn't produce, but he still got paid he did.

Speaker 2 (02:33:26):
So I'm I'm just trying to put a value here though,
because d hop reportedly is getting a two year deal
that could be worth with reasonable incentives, thirty two million dollars, right, Yeah,
I mean is a wide receiver like DeAndre Hopkins more
valuable in terms of what he brings on the field
to a Davin Cook or a Josh Jacobs or an

(02:33:49):
Austin Eckler.

Speaker 3 (02:33:50):
Is he more valuable?

Speaker 4 (02:33:51):
Yeah? Yeah he is? He is.

Speaker 2 (02:33:53):
Yeah, I mean, I see, I don't look at it
that way, but I'm taking it from you. You think
a wide receiver, yes, like that has more value because
to me, I look at a wide receiver like we
go back to the Randy Moss situation. He was a
stead of Minnesota disappear in the Raiders because they didn't
have a quarterback. He goes to New England Tom Brady's then,
and all of a sudden he's putting up Hall of
a numbers again.

Speaker 4 (02:34:12):
Well just look, Okay, so you're you're a big fan
of like Hall of Fame's Halls of Fame, Yes, like
they're important to you. And there are certain players, and
I've heard you make this argument before that there are
certain players who aren't Hall of famers. They're greats who
are stack compilers.

Speaker 3 (02:34:31):
Right right, or they were on the right team at
the right time.

Speaker 4 (02:34:34):
Or right or you know, just happen to be in
the correct environment. Okay, So running backs, if a good
year for a running back still with seventeen games is
over one thousand yards, that still seems to be the benchmark. Well,
nowadays that has become the same for a wide receiver.
Like a good year for a wide receiver is one
thousand yards. But if you look at the ways in

(02:34:56):
which a wide receiver gets to one thousand yards versus
a running back, it is by and I'm talking about
a good season for a wide receiver. It's averaging twelve
to fourteen yards per catch, it's scoring something to the
realm of fifteen to twenty touchdow.

Speaker 2 (02:35:14):
Do you guys have a quarterback gets you the ball?
In other words, a catch is like a handoff. The
difference is it travels through the air.

Speaker 4 (02:35:20):
But a lot of these guys, and Austin Eckler included,
is not just talking about the fact that they're so
valuable in the run game. They're also talking about the
touches they get in the passing game, the.

Speaker 3 (02:35:29):
Whole to one hundred and seven passes last year, exactly
on top of being a running back.

Speaker 4 (02:35:34):
So my thought process here is Austin Eckler, the way
he should really frame his debate about this is I
should be I should be I should be represented as
a wide receiver on this team. Right, That's who I am.
That's my value to this team. It would make more
sense in the argument as opposed to saying like, I'm
a running back, but I'm an important piece of this

(02:35:55):
offense and my position is being undervalued. Right. No, you're
your specific role on the Chargers is really important to
the Chargers because you catch boatloads of passes. But the
typical running back they carry the ball for four yards
to carry, five yards to carry and everybody goes, great job. Well,
guess what, the receiver who's earning the same amount of
yardage having a good season is averaging twelve yards to

(02:36:18):
catch or fourteen yards to catch. And that's amazing because
that suddenly changes the offense's ability to have success on
any given drive.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
All right, well, we are up against it. But I mean,
bottom line here, he had three I'm sorry, gout Austin Eckler.
He had three hundred and eleven carries slash of receptions
a year ago. And obviously there's never been a receiver
that's had three hundred catches in a season.

Speaker 3 (02:36:40):
So how many touches does he have? How many yards
does he get?

Speaker 2 (02:36:43):
I mean, and again, when you're handed the ball off
as opposed to catching the pass twenty yards down the field,
I don't know it's apples and oranges, but I see
the frustration. But again, if the money is at the
wide receiver position rather than the running back position, and
I can who's early on in my career which direction
I want to go, I'm gonna go where the money
is down the road. All right, On the other side,

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Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
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I'm looking forward to the Open Championship. We'll be here
for the final round. Actually it would probably be no, no,
it would.

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That's the one thing I love about the Open Championship.
It's up early, yeah.

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