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(00:26):
we got NFL football. We're gonna be talking plenty of
over the next couple of hours. I gotta say something
right at the top, rich Yeah, I'm going to concede
the fact that I am enjoying these Olympic Games more
than I thought I was going to. I came in
with a little bit of a distorted view, and I

(00:46):
still have some problems with the Olympics, sort of expanding
the menu a little bit too much for my taste,
you know, just way too many events, way too many sports.
I'm sort of a meat and potatoes guy when it
comes to the Olympics. He with track and field and
swimming and a few other sports. But I think the
coverage has been great, and I and the in the

(01:09):
Scotty Scheffler story. Did you see him on the podium today?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Did you see this? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
So this was yesterday. We were talking a little bit
about golf, and you know, I've been, you know, harping
on the idea that for golf or basketball or tennis,
I mean, this is not really your spotlight. In other words,
your career is not defined by what you do in
the Olympic Games. And yesterday Xanderschoffley went into the final round,

(01:37):
which was today, uh, tied for the lead with John Rohm. Yeah,
And so we were talking about if Xander Schoffle wins
the gold medal, having already won two majors, does he
sort of take away player of the Year honors from
Scotty Scheffler, who obviously has been incredibly dominant, obviously won
the Masters as well. And I said, it's hard to ignore, right,

(01:59):
And then Scott Scheffer goes out and shoots a sixty
two today sixty two, and he wins, and he was
up on the podium. Now, Scotty Scheffler is one that
gets very emotional. It's not unprecedent. The Ryder Cup, he cried, Masters,
he cried. But Richie got to see this. I mean
it was coming toward the end of the anthem and
he is sobby.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Oh you know what I did see?

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I thought you meant the podium like postgame press conference.
I watched when they were playing the anthem. Yeah, and
he just falls to pieces, just.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Absolutely fell to pieces. And that I love that. I
mean same I am when it comes to my pride
in my country. I'm in lockstep with him. I thought
it was phenomenal. And now when you think about it,
and by the way, Novak Djokovic at age thirty seven,
won his first gold medal today. So for guys that

(02:53):
have made their mark in their biggest events in their sport,
the Majors, the Grand Slam, adding an Olympic gold medal,
it's like the cherry on top and I get it.
And it's the same thing with you know, Lebron James
winning a gold medal or a Michael Jordan. You've proven yourself,
you win NBA Championships, MVPs, all that stuff just add

(03:16):
a little touch to your you know, resume. By winning
that gold medal, that's a pretty good thing.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
I think that Lebron James has a checklist that's probably
not very long anymore, and he is going through it
and saying, all right, what are some of these reasonable
goals that I could check off this list?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And don't get me wrong, some.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Of these goals are goals he's achieved in the past,
and he just wants to do him for a second
time or one last time before he goes. And so
I understand that, right everybody's been in a situation where
they've had to say goodbye to a place or something
that they've loved, and it's not easy, and there may
be a mental check where you say to yourself, Okay,

(04:01):
what do I want to do before I leave here?
Whether it's a house you grew up in that you
know just got put up for sale, or maybe a
job you've kept for a while and you're about to retire,
and maybe it was a thirty year career and a
successful one and you have so many good memories and
maybe you help build that business, or maybe it's a
sport like lebron What are the last few moments you

(04:24):
want to share with your fans, with your family that
you want to take home for yourself before you call
it a career. And so I think that's what Lebron's
doing I think. I think obviously one of those major
check marks was playing with his son, and he's going
to have at least an opportunity to do that. His
son was drafted by this same team, so I would
I would guess that that's almost eminent at this point,

(04:46):
but imminent, it's going to be.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
It's going to be.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
Interesting to see his reaction when Team USA or if
Team USA wins gold, because I'm sure it's going to
be another touching moment on the podium.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, it's it's wildly popular, the Olympics every four years,
and of course what's most exciting to me is that
four years from now the Olympics will be right in
our backyard here in southern California, in the Los Angeles area.
So it's it's been great to watch. I still again,
we got into this sort of back and forth about

(05:22):
these relay goals. Right, they've added now mixed relays in
both track and field and in swimming. We have men
and women on a team. This is sort of a
new thing. I think they may have started in Tokyo,
but we never saw the Tokyo Games. Do we have
any recall? Rich and you and I were doing a
show during the did we first of all, the time

(05:45):
of it was bad, right, much worse than it is
in Paris. And I don't remember really even talking about it.
I mean, I do you have any recall of the
Tokyo Olympics.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Barely?

Speaker 3 (05:56):
And here's the reason why. And I think this is
a shared experience with a lot of people who tried
and maybe tried their hardest, because I remember there was
times where I was I was really trying to enjoy
the Olympics because there wasn't a lot available still at
that point it was creeping back, but it was it

(06:19):
was what's the word I'm looking for, sterile?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
It was so completely stony.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
We were doing our show to get that, we weren't
even talking about it well.

Speaker 3 (06:27):
And also, again, like you said, time zones matter, like
when you have Major League Baseball first pitch of the
regular season of the league in South Korea, like you're
just not going to get a lot of people out
of bed at three o'clock in the morning to watch
first pitch at night on the other side of the planet.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm sorry, it's just not happening now. Don't get me wrong.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
There's an enormous Japanese and South Korean viewership base, and
obviously there's many other people all across Asia who enjoy
American baseball, enjoyed baseball together, they have their own professional leagues.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
But it did not resonate here.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
It did not do what I think maybe network executives
or you know, or League Commissioner Bob Manfred or any
of the executives in the league offices thought it would
do here because it didn't rate well, even though it
was an interesting rivalry on the West Coast that they
shipped out there with the Padres and Dodgers and the

(07:28):
Tokyo Olympics. I think it kind of fell flat because
of two things. One and very obviously the pandemic. In two,
because the time zones don't match up, and so I
think that was pretty much it. That was a little
bit of a death knell for the ratings. So the
ratings have roared back, and one of the more interesting
things is there's less complaining about where you have to

(07:50):
go to find it. Like I feel like people are
starting to get used to activating a streaming website for
their sports. And I think that all of these sports
leagues really have the NFL to thank for that, the
NFL sort of slow rolled fans into getting used to
using streaming services, you know as a one off here,

(08:11):
one off there. And then obviously the Thursday Night Amazon
package that is a commitment you have to make if
you want to watch Thursday night football, you got to
watch it on Prime Video. And then they rolled out
some playoff you know, things like Peacock for a wildcard
round game. Like so, I think the NFL has has
started to condition sports viewers. And then there's many people

(08:32):
who watch international sports who always have had to stream
and and that's very much a part of their sports
viewing life. I think I think the NFL, as far
as like our very American like, you know, set in
their ways. I watch games on the networks type viewer,
I think they've done a good job probably bringing bringing

(08:53):
the horse to water. You can't always force them to drink,
but many of the people did because they wanted to
watch football.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Well, of course I saw one person that was fully
engaged from the first second of these Olympic Games. Chris,
obviously please that I am at least come around a
long way from more we started with these Olympic Games.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I do agree with you on Tokyo.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
It is hard, and I think that'll be a bit
of a storyline as we go past La in twenty
twenty eight, because it's going to Brisbane in Australia, yeah,
for twenty thirty two, and then after that'll I think
it's going to be in Saudi Arabia, which is just
absolutely disgusting and very hard to get as far as
a time zone. But to Rich's point, you say you
have the NFL to thank, might have that in more

(09:34):
ways than one too, because I think for anyone who's
found Peacock, I know I personally have introduced like at
least half a dozen people to Gold Zone as well.
And that's Scott Hansen and Andrew Siciliano on there basically
doing the same thing they were doing with Red Zone,
and it's a phenomenal way to watch this.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
And yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Like I was hesitant about getting Peacock when this first
started it but now that I have, I'm like, all right,
this is fine. Yeah, I'm I'm all in just because
I can get the full access to every event I need.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, well again, we got badminton and we got this
ham team handball.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
I'm sorry, I know I think the USA needs a
field Rich. You would be great at team handball, that
is I just I it looks like.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
It looks like a sport that would actually be very
fun to start playing and then realize you were good
at good enough to compete on.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Here about team handball, please explain do you have to dribble?
Is there an area you have to dribble? There's one
around and then I've seen guys literally like tackle somebody,
no whistle, Uh, just randomly. Yeah, you can check guys,
But the idea do you have to dribble? Because sometimes
they do, sometimes they don't dribbles. Look at that that

(10:46):
guy right there, no dribble, he's traveling that Arizona where
you have to put the ball on the ground.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
It's every so many steps, I think listen. I had
the rules explain to me when I was fourteen by
this really energetic German guy in Sydney when we went
to handball. He was really excited to explain the rules
to me. I don't remember half of them. But there
is traveling in handball, so there is only so many
steps you can take before you have to dribble. I'm
just saying, like, listen, the women just took home bronze

(11:15):
and rugby sevens. The men are doing better and better
each each time I see them at the Olympics. Now
they've been adding rugby sevens to it. Handball's the next
sport that the Americans have to start fielding teams in.

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, sounds like Lebron's handball if there's traveling.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
I came from the Laker fans, so, uh, by the.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
Way, early exit for the men's at three on three
basketball awful?

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(13:23):
You see this show posted right after we get off
the air. All right, so fully entrenched in these Olympic games,
but at the same time, the NFL season is off
and running so rich. You know, watch the Hall of
Fame game. I'm gonna get to Hall of Fame ceremonies
a little bit later on, but just the game itself,
I was disappointed. Obviously. I was hoping Caleb Williams was

(13:45):
going to see some action. They decided out you have
the extra game, you really don't need him to be
out there. I would disagree. He needs to get as
many reps as possible to start this season. But that aside.
What I really wanted to see was the new kickoff
role and how this was actually going to work. And

(14:06):
it's interesting. There were a couple of things that really
stood out about the kickoff role. One is the idea
that if the ball lands between the goal line and
the twenty yard line, it has to be returned. And
the kickers for both teams were masterful essentially dropping the
ball at around the two yard line. Like every kickoff

(14:28):
was like at the two yard line, meaning the guy
was going to have to return. I think there was
only one kickoff that I saw that actually went into
the end zone, which automatically gives the receiving team the
ball at the thirty yard line, so there's a reason
why you want them to return it. But I also
was thinking because I saw some of the reply. I
was watching the old XFL before the UFL that actually

(14:48):
used this rule. And there you know, you have got
these twenty guys all lined up five yards apart, and
if you find that crease, boom, you're off and running.
I mean, the only guy to stop you would be
the kicker. And and the coverage was really good, so
I'm sure teams are holding back. They may have some tricks.
I mean, think about it, rich, Right, if you're trying

(15:09):
to find that crease, you create the crease. Right, If
you're the receiving team, you tell the return guy this
is where you're going. We're going to concentrate our efforts
to create a crease and that spot and you're not
gonna tip it off during a preseason. But I don't know.
I mean, it's it's radical. Some people still don't quite

(15:30):
understand it. I understand the safety issues and everything else,
but how do you think ultimately this thing is going
to play out?

Speaker 3 (15:38):
I was I was not a fan of it in
the Hall of Fame game. I'm undecided in terms of
how I'm going to feel about it ultimately, because like,
I don't know how I'm gonna feel about it in
January versus how I feel about.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
It right now. I know that change is inevitable. We change.
That's the one thing that's.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Consistent in all of our lives is you know, whatever
the current status is, it will change. And that's true
with sports, it's true with business, it's true with politics.
There's seasons to life. It's just how it goes. And
so I'm not whatever you want to call it, like,
I'm not turning away from change, because there have been
many positive changes that the NFL have instituted, and frankly

(16:25):
some of them that I found disagreeable at first. So
maybe this will be one of them. So I'll reserve
my final judgment for later on. But I thought it
looked clunky. I thought it I felt the pain of
having to adjust my eyes and my brain to what
I was seeing, you know, that feeling.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Of like, hey, that's not where that's supposed to be.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Like if if you're an organized person and somebody I
don't know changes the books around on your bookshelf. You
know what I mean, it's gonna bug you. You're gonna
be like I had these all in size, just order
in size.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Are Ah?

Speaker 3 (17:01):
They were color coded, you know, all of a sudden
you got a blue whear a red should be in
a red war.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, this is all mess, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Okay, So instead of complaining about who moved my cheese,
how about the exact the exact operation itself. To me,
the reason why you're making this change is twofold. It's
one because of player safety, in two because you want
to make what's been a very boring play in football
over the past few years more exciting. Well, if we

(17:30):
really start to pull apart all of this and we say,
are people really all that concerned and I mean not
only fans but players, are they all that concerned about
the injury rate on kickoff and kickoff return?

Speaker 1 (17:44):
The answer maybe yes, but my guess is no. My
guess is no.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Then you sort of take apart a few more things
and you say, well, why is the kickoff return boring now?
It wasn't boring when Devin Hester, who just went into
the Hall of Fame, was playing, So why is it
boring now?

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (18:01):
It's because they changed it so we didn't have any
more kickoff returns. They changed the rules to limit returns,
Like that was the whole point. If we have less returns,
we have less of this violent play during the course
of a game, and so we don't have to deal
with the outcomes of said violent play. So that was
the NFL's original solution, and it worked for a little bit.

(18:22):
But people are like, why do we even kick the
ball off anymore at all? Because they all result in touchbacks. Well,
so now they change it to this, and to me,
you know what, the best.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Fixed steve is, just go back to the way we
used to do it.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
Well, okay, here is one thing they're going to have
to really look at, and it was very evident in
watching this Hall of Fame game. The cluster of twenty players.
So you have the kickers standing by himself, you had
the return guy standing by himself, and then you have
ten players on the kicking team and ten players on
the receiving team five yards apart, and nobody can move

(19:00):
until the receiver actually gets his hands on the ball. Well,
there's a major disadvantage to the receiving team because as blockers,
you can't. You don't have time to turn around and
see whether or not your guy has caught the ball,
because as soon as he catch to the ball, the
kickoff team's got full side of it, so they're gonna

(19:21):
be on top of it. You can't, like turn around
when a guy is five yards in front of you,
which is what three steps and he'll blast you. So
you have to sort of react to the kickoff team,
you know, taking off. The other problem is they're too close.
So the guy receives the ball hall and within you know,

(19:44):
by the time he gets to the twenty yard line,
there's twenty bodies in front of him, and you know
they didn't see me come close to finding a crease.
You know, a lot of times you'll see on a
kickoff you get that running start and maybe you dodge
a few guys and then maybe you take off on
the edge and you take off down the sidelines and

(20:04):
you do a cutback. None of that's possible the way
they're lined up right now. There's just too many bodies
in the middle of the field.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
Well, and so if.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
You moved it back a little bit where that you know,
ten on ten, move it back another ten yards at
least give the receiver a chance to get a little
head of steam going before he hits this massive bodies
because the way I agree with the way it looked
now was not attractive, no at all.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
No, it just it.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Okay, So it used to be when you were look
I mean, my last snap was twenty fourteen. Okay, we're
not talking about light years ago, but ten years is
a long time. And when kickoff team went took the field,
and there was that moment when the receiving team and
I was on kickoff return for a short time in

(20:56):
my career, and there is this moment where you realize
you're gonna have ten like superior athletes charging down the
field and it is going to be just a melee
for about eight seconds and then either something cool's gonna
happen or you're just gonna have the offense and defense.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
Trot out onto the field.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
And when something cool happened, it was like it was
stirring in a way as a player, especially on the
return team, where you were like, oh my gosh, we
did it, we broke through. It felt like an impossible task.
But when you had a forty yard return, when you
had a kickoff return, for a touchdown. It was one
of the most I'm exciting moments on the football field.

(21:40):
Do is truly, And don't get me wrong, you're not
gonna take away that moment because.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
You could still have returns for touchdowns. You could still
have returns.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
And it's not gonna look the same Rich because because
because you have that cluster of twenty guys. So yeah,
you might find the seam and break through that wall
and then there's nothing. There's a kick that's it. So
you're not Yeah, it would look completely and again I
watched some of it as it was played out in
the XFL and it didn't look anything alike. As you said, well,

(22:11):
you have Devin Hester. You know, I believe Cordero Patterson,
who actually has the most career kickoff returns for touchdowns.
Hester had the record for punt returns. I think he'll
eventually get into the Hall of Fame, but it's not
going to be the same at all. So I don't know,
we'll see where they go. I know both teams practice
with a holder. That was the other crazy thing, Like

(22:32):
in case there's whether you have a holder, but they
got to run immediately off the field. It's like what
are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
I don't get it's Steve look, and like I said,
I'll reserve my final judgment as I'm sure a measured
person like yourself will do as well for the end
of the season. But at first glimpse, it just doesn't
feel like a football play yet. And maybe it'll take time.
You know, maybe in five more years from now, if

(23:01):
they stick with this, or ten more years from now,
we'll see some of the amazing benefits and well we'll
see coaches exploit, you know, the the return team loopholes,
or you know, we'll see interesting defensive or or kicking
team formations to to ensnare returners better.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
I mean, maybe there'll be a way that this will become,
or maybe they'll tinker with this a little bit more
and they'll find a way to make it more palatable.
I don't know, But as it stands right now, I'm
with you, man, Like I just feel like football is
a violent game, and you know, there there's fun in
taking risks, and everybody knows this feeling. When you were

(23:42):
a kid and you had a brand new bike at
Christmas time, you didn't want to have your mom be like, hey,
but make sure you put on your knee pads and
your elbow pads and your risk guards, and you know,
your fingerless leather gloves and and put your helmet on it.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
And if you're gonna go, if you're gonna go out there, you're.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Only allowed on the sidewalk, and I have to be
out there while you're riding your bike.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
You're like, oh my god, this is so lame. Risk
taking is fun.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Like. It's a part of the reason why people are
attracted to violent sports in the first place, boxing, UFC
or mixed martial arts, in general, football, it's because we NASCAR,
stock car racing, any type of auto racing.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
There is a part of the danger.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Don't get me wrong, there's a tremendous amount of skill
with all those things, but there's a part of the danger.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
That attracts us to it.

Speaker 3 (24:30):
And if you start putting all these bumper pads on
all the hard edges in the corners, eventually people are
gonna be turned off to it, and they're gonna say,
I'll find something that actually seems and feels dangerous.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Well, I'll tell you what. Speaking of lack of danger,
if you weren't paying attention to the kickoff rule change
in the NFL. You couldn't miss the endless commercials for
NFL flag football. Oh yeah, they had them one after another.
NFL flag football, NFL flag football. Get used to the future, folks. Wow, Okay,
find out what's trending right now. Someone that never plays

(25:03):
at safe lives life on the edge. Yeah, it always
seems to come out on the right side.

Speaker 9 (25:10):
I don't know how.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Manci Belaga's right here.

Speaker 9 (25:12):
Today, you know here I am.

Speaker 10 (25:14):
I do like to live dangerously, and we do. I
agree with rich It's like we we like people taking
risk when it comes to dangerous things, especially like when
it's something that you don't want to do, Like I
don't want to get tackled by Aaron.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Donald, No, but I'd like to watch him do.

Speaker 10 (25:32):
It, like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, Like, I don't know anyone that has ever played
at the NFL level that hasn't understood the risk of
playing in the NFL. Right, I don't think there's ever
been a player who walked on an NFL field that
didn't understand there was a certain.

Speaker 9 (25:54):
Level of risk of high risk. R Right, there's risk,
you know you you mean I could get her yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah, no one has ever walked on the NFL field
that didn't already know that.

Speaker 10 (26:06):
Well in the totally one hundred percent. And we are
getting closer to the start of the NFL season. We
do have some preseason games to get through first, and
no surprise, but Commander's head coach Dan Quinn did say
that their number two overall pick, Jayden Daniels, will play
in their first preseason game against the Jets, So not
a big surprise there. But how about this in college sports,
Michigan head coach Sharon Moore could face a show cause

(26:29):
penalty and a suspension for his involvement in the Michigan
signs stealing scandal.

Speaker 9 (26:35):
So yesp had.

Speaker 10 (26:36):
Reports at the NCAA's Notice of Allegations draft, which is
subject to change allegs. More, deleted a thread of fifty
two messages with former Michigan staffer Connor Stallions in October
of twenty twenty three, also on the day that the
reports were first broken that he was maybe sneaking around.

Speaker 9 (26:57):
See do you think.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
There's a reason that Jim Harbaugh couldn't wait to get
out of Michigan?

Speaker 7 (27:01):
Right?

Speaker 2 (27:01):
This is a repeat of the Pete Carroll situation with UFC. Oh, yeah,
the hammer is about to fall, and he high tailed
it out of there to the NFL and Jim Harbboz
said the same, Yeah, he's I'm.

Speaker 10 (27:13):
Gonna get out of here real quick, real quick. So
that's still going. The Olympics are still going. Scotti Scheffler
won the Golden men's golf and in nineteen under par
overall Tommy Fleetwood one shot back ended with the silver medal.

Speaker 9 (27:27):
Silver medal he Dekey Matsuyama got the bronze.

Speaker 10 (27:31):
Now, in women's basketball, they defeated Germany eighty seven to
sixty eight.

Speaker 9 (27:34):
In pool play.

Speaker 10 (27:34):
There now three and zero, but US men's three on
three has been eliminated from the Olympics after going two
to five in pool play.

Speaker 9 (27:42):
In swimming, Bobby Fink goes back to back to win
gold for Team.

Speaker 10 (27:45):
USA, breaking a record in the men's fifteen hundred. USA
also just won the gold in the women's four by
one hundred medley relay, also set a world record. American
Kristin Faukner won the gold medal in women's cycling road race.
US women's volleyballs sift France to finish group play two
one they're advancing to the quarterfinals. Tennis, and Novak Djokovic

(28:08):
defeated Carlos Alcaraz in straight sets, but both of them
in a tie break.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
It went to the end.

Speaker 10 (28:14):
First gold medal at the age of thirty seven, So
he becomes a fifth athlete to complete a Golden Slam,
four majors and a gold medal.

Speaker 9 (28:23):
Serena Williams Rafae Alma bal.

Speaker 10 (28:26):
Andre Agassi, did I say that right, Agacy, thank you?
And Stefie Graff, now he joins.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
That's pretty good company.

Speaker 10 (28:33):
That is pretty good at the age of thirty seven,
Like that's what's amazing. We also got baseball going on, guys.
The Giants have just extended their lead over the Reds.

Speaker 9 (28:42):
Eight to two, top of the eighth inning.

Speaker 10 (28:44):
Pirates have extended their lead over the Diamondbacks four zero,
top of the fourth. The Marlins and the Braves are
scoreless in the fourth inning. Nationals up on the Brewers
one zero, top of the fifth. The Blue Jays are
beating the Yankees in the bronx to zero bottom of
the third, but the Yankees do have a man on
second and third.

Speaker 9 (29:00):
They are down to their final out of the inning.

Speaker 10 (29:02):
The Orioles are beating the Guardians three one bottom of
the third. Tigers up on the Royals one zero, bottom
of the fourth. Will the White Sox lose twenty in
a row? Maybe there's scoreless right now against the Twins.
Bottom of the first inning, raised an Astro, scoreless, they're about.

Speaker 9 (29:15):
To start the second inning. Back to you, guys.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, we have a lot of baseball news we're gonna
get to in our final hour with John Paul Morosi.
We got some huge baseball stories we're gonna get to,
all right, Monzi great stuff. By the way, Rich, Denise
did make Monzi some lemon cookies.

Speaker 10 (29:32):
They are just like there's cracking them, you know what
I'm saying, Yes, there's crack.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (29:38):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
She decided to do a little baking. She's been very busy,
but she did some baking last night. And they're so
good old box together because Monzie brings the breakfast in
Rich I do so.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
She often, I mean often, if not every time.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Every time, So all right, Wenzie. We'll check in with
you a little bit later on Fox Sports Sunday, Steve
Hartman Rich Ornberger with you. I don't know if you
got to see any of the Hall of Fame induction
speeches yesterday. Some of them are actually really good. I
was really impressed with some of the speeches out there yesterday, Rich,

(30:11):
But the real emotional one was the Steve McMichael situation.
Of course, he has been battling als. They brought his
bust and his jacket, his wife was there, brought it
back to Canton to where he is right now, and
you know, obviously he's been completely immobilized. The heinous nature

(30:35):
of this disease is that your brain is one hundred percent.
It doesn't affect your mind at all. It just literally
shuts down every other part of your body. And to
be in that hospital room surrounded by his bears, teammates,
several of them Hall of Famers wearing their gold jackets,

(30:55):
I mean, that was that was a lot. I mean,
especially when you think about Steve bcmichael. He was he
was just a larger than life character, right, He sort
of had a wrestler's mentality, and you know, he was
one of those type of guys, right, I'm really yeah,
the over the top personality, great player. Uh, and to
see him in that kind of position as just heartbreaking.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, that was that was rough.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
Look I have I have a friend with ALS, and
it's uh, it's really difficult to watch from afar, you know,
the progress of.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
This insidious disease.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
And my hope, my prayer is that at some point
somebody is able to uncover the smoking gun here and
is able to help either either slow or stop the
rapid progression once it takes a hold of a victim,
because that's really what it feels like, Like you just

(31:54):
pointed out, Uh, it ravages you, but you're fully aware
while it's doing so. So it really is like being
completely victimized. And it's so random, well and random.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
But at the same time, the percentage of NFL players
that have ALS is shocking. Three players I only work
for the Raiders for four and a half years. Three
players that were with the Raiders when I worked for
the Raiders died of ALS. Three.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
I mean, they talk about how rare this disease is.
We had Dwight Clark, the forty nine or legendary receiver
die of ALS. I mean the list goes on and
on of NFL players. Yeah, because they have not figured
out why. Obviously, not everyone that plays in the NFL
gets ALS. Not everyone that gets ALS played in the NFL,

(32:44):
but the numbers are alarming percentage wise in terms of
the entire population getting als as opposed to NFL players
getting it. But they still have no direct link. They
still have any you know, before you can cure a disease,
you got to figure out out doesn't begin, why, how
does it happen? And they still only ain't have that.

(33:05):
So it's just it's very it's you know, like you said,
hopefully someone can figure this thing out.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, I played with Tim shaw Ye at Penn State.
He played for a bunch of years in the NFL
with the Titans. He might have had some stops with
other teams, but it's just one of those it's just
one of those things that, like you said, it's higher,
it's a higher percentage in this community.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
And uh and that was.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
But what I will say is, look, clearly, the man's
life isn't over yet. He's under care and he's got
his family and his friends around him. And to have
the opportunity to see your bust before you know this
that the lights go out, I mean that's got to
be Look, I know, for me and I'm a football man,

(33:57):
it's it's what I did my entire young life. If
it's what I did into my adult years. I know,
for me, some of the accomplishments on the football field
or around the game of football were some of the
happiest moments of my life, because that's how important it
was to me. Obviously, getting married, the birth of my children,
those rank high. But draft day, finding out that I

(34:20):
was going to be a professional football player, that nobody
will ever be able to take that.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Away from me.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
When you know your phone rings and it's robber Craft
and Bill Belichick and all that hard work, you know,
is legitimized, like somebody wants you on their roster. It
was easily one of the most memorable moments of my life.
I could recall just about every single moment that day.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
That doesn't happen every day, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
I mean, there's plenty of forgettable days through your life,
but you know, football moments they stick with you. And
so for this man to be shackled by this disease
and have that moment before he has to say goodbye
to everybody for good is a special moment and he'll
obviously enjoy that with his family and his family we'll

(35:08):
get to go to Canton and enjoy it whenever they
need a reminder of how great he was. You know,
he'll be enshrined forever.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Yeah, I'm just so happy he at least survived long
enough to see this magical moment for not only himself,
but his entire family and his teammates on that great
Bears team as we think back to the eighty five Bears.
All Right, on the other side, I'm gonna play a
little name game of Rich. All right, I'm gonna give
some of the big names of some of the contemporaries
you played against or alongside with, and their merits is

(35:40):
a possible first ballot Hall of Famer. This is Fox
Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and Rich Armberger. Here Fox Sports Sunday.
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Speaker 1 (35:55):
Now I.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Preface this brief segment with a little disclaimer. I have
a lifelong obsession with Halls of Fame, and Rich has
a lifetime I don't know how strong a word I
want to use here, Let's just say disdain for Hall

(36:18):
of Fame.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Well, I don't know if I hate them all together, but.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I didn't want to use the word. Hey, but you
you're not a big opponent.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Of I find them distasteful.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
Okay, I like that word distasteful, all right. So we
always as soon as you finish one Hall of Fame class,
immediately you look to the next Hall of Fame class.
So for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, there are
six names eligible for the first time that would have
a legitimate argument for being Hall of Famers. At some point,
I will preface also by saying, none of these players

(36:49):
is more deserving than a guy that was inexplicably bypassed
as a first file Hall of Famer. That's Antonio Gates,
who should have been a first battle Hall of Famer
was not. None of these plays that I'm gonna mention
are as good as Antonio Gates. All right, So Gates
will get in next year, but maybe one, maybe more
of these players will be first ballot. I want to

(37:11):
know if any of these guys, in your opinion, is
a first ballot Hall of Famer. Okay, okay, And these
are all contemporaries of yours obviously, all right, I'll give
you the names in random order. Offensive guard Marshall Yanda
of the Baltimore Ravens. Oh, Yes, first ballot yeah, first ballot. Okay,

(37:33):
so Yonda is a first ballot Hall of Famer. All right,
how about his longtime teammate Terrell Suggs first ballot Hall
of Famer?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (37:42):
Wow, So two first ballot Hall of Famers. I will
say this because people have to know this now. Okay,
let's let's let's pause for a moment. Yeah, let's pause
for a moment here. So the way the Hall of
Fame works, they'll announce fifteen finals. They would have list
down to fifty team finalists, and five of those will

(38:02):
make it. In fact, they've had the maximum of five
every year for a while. Then they have senior committees
and all that stuff. But just from the main group,
five make it each year. There's never been a year
where more than three of the five have been first
ballot guys. Ever, Okay, so that in mind. All right,
So I gave you Marshall Yanda and you say, oh, yeah,

(38:26):
eight time Pro bowler, two time All Pro guard, first
bout charl sucks. So there's two Ravens. By the way,
that's not going to happen. They're never going to put
two teammates in first bout, right, right, So let me
give you another guy, Luke Keikley, Oh, yeah, definitely. Luke
Keighley is a first bout.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, keep going, well, Luke Keighley.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Uh, when do you think is had almost the exact
same Churis Patrick Willis. Yeah, a shortened career, but like
all pro every year. You know what, Just give the
rest of the list hold on a second. I want
you to get your thoughts on these guys. Marshawn Lynch, Yeah, yeah,
he's a first ballot Hall of Faper. Okay, now here's

(39:06):
one I honestly believe is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Adam Vinattieri.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Oh, come on right, Yes, that is.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
A first ballot Hall of Famer, the all time leading
scorer in the history of the end.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
Off my my, my bar for first ballot Hall of Fame,
you know second, just Hall of Fame in general is
so much lower than most people.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Well, let's see with the last name.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
I'll give you them.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
How far, how how low the bar is for you
the last name on this list. So I gave you yonda.
I gave you Suggs, Keikley, Lynch, Vinettieri. All right, here's
the last name, first ballot Hall of Famer. Yay, or
nay Eli Manning. Oh dude, of course no. Now so,
first of all, you are directly responsible for Eli Manning

(39:50):
because your you are Patriots lost twice to this guy.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
All right, Well, I was there for one of them,
all right, so you can't blame me.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
But if he doesn't win the second one, we're not
He's not even in the conversation. This is a guy
who is an entire career as a record of one's
seventeen and one to seventeen as a quarterback. And if
you take away his two sue ring received, he was
owed for two rings to ring Jim Plunge, Jim Pluggett
has two rings. Where's his Hall of Fame rings? You're
gonna put Manning in? You're gonna have to put he

(40:21):
never let the league in any category other than interceptions. Way,
but then that was my point yesterday. If you're gonna
put Eli manhuck it, put man get.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
In twenty twenty five, all right, that's the ticket of.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Those names, one named Vinettieri is the only guy. All right.
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So let's continue on with some NFL talk right now
into the present, not the past, as I'm still I'm
still trying to figure this preseason schedule out. Okay, so
remember how it now works. You have the Hall of

(41:18):
Fame Game as a standalone extra game for the two
teams that participate. Then we have three preseason games, and
then we have a week off. Remember that, so we
have like the week off.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (41:35):
So, so I remember you used to you go, you
had the four preseason games and then boom, let's let's
go to the regular season like you would hold guys
out that last preseason game. That's that weird bye week
before the regular season starts. I hate that. I mean,
I just I the first time, I'm like, am I
missing something? What happened to the games?

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Right?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I don't get that? Well, I heard something yesterday. MONSI
had mentioned this yesterday in the show. So Joe Burrow
is getting out in front of this anticipated and it
will happen, expansion of the NFL regular season to eighteen games.
And so he was talking about, all right, and we've

(42:21):
discussed this as well, Rich the idea, if you're going
to go to an eighteen week schedule, there would be
two bye weeks. And essentially what you're doing is, right
now we have eighteen weeks of regular season football, you
have seventeen games in a bye week. And if you
go to twenty weeks of regular season football, I mean,
chi ching, I mean think about the money that the
networks are going to make off that. So obviously they

(42:43):
want that. But he was talking about the idea of
a universal bye week, like every team is off during
a certain week of the season, and that should be
the week that they play the Pro Bowl. And I'm
thinking to myself, that's like never gonna happen. First of all,

(43:05):
the networks would never want to take an entire week
off for the whole league. No, that's not gonna happen.
And the Pro Bowl? What Pro Bowl? Why is there
even a Pro Bowl? Anyway, you're gonna try to get
players to play in a Pro Bowl game during the season.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Come on, I what's weird about this is I don't
know why you would necessarily want this, other than I
guess you could say. Bye weeks can present a fair
or unfair advantage for a lot of different teams. So
if you're going to award a second bye week, like

(43:41):
a team could get screwed, like where they have back
to back bye week, Yes, they're off for half a month,
you know it will happen eventually, Or a situation where
both of the bye weeks happened before, say, I don't know,
week nine, you know what I mean, and all of
a sudden, the team's got a law long stretch before
the postseason even begins, and you know whereas if it's

(44:04):
more evenly balanced, it's going to be a lot better
a situation.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
So maybe that's his argument.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Hey, why don't we all go on rest it for
a week, let our bodies heal, you know, have it
somewhere in the middle of the season, you know, play
you know, nine games, and then pause, play nine more games.
I get it, but I agree with you. I don't
think the networks are gonna go for it. I think
the networks ultimately have a tremendous amount of control in

(44:29):
the conversation the owners, they're in some ways beholden to
the networks, and now we're including streaming platforms with this
conversation because of the amount of money Amazon Prime has
committed over the next ten years for one game, one
game a week. It's an astonishing amount, ten billion dollars

(44:50):
for the next ten years. So it's it's I just
don't see it happening.

Speaker 11 (44:55):
I just I just don't see Fox, ESPN, CBA, ABC
obviously partnered with ESPN, Amazon, Netflix, who's going to be
getting in the game any of these streamers or networks
thinking this is a good idea and the.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Owners are going to oblige them, or I should say
they are somewhat obligated to listen to what they have
to say.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Their input matters.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Yeah, again, a universal bye week one of the reasons
I didn't like it. You mentioned it as well. Well.
That would then create a situation where one or more
teams would definitely have back to back bye weeks. You
don't want that in the middle of the season. I mean,
we've already seen the disaster of the postseason where teams

(45:40):
have clinched their division, clinched their playoff position. Rest everybody
the final week of the season, and then have a
bye week the week after that, and then they come
back and they lay an egg in the playoffs. We've
seen it many times. Look the idea of healing yourself
and rich Obviously, as a player, you know this. Yeah

(46:01):
you're gonna be a little better if you get a
week off, but you're not fully recovered. It takes months
after a season to get your back to semi normal,
unless you obviously have offseason surgeryes something along those lines.
So there always is something to be said about momentum.
You're playing well, you want to get back out play
the next game. You got the other team on their heels.

(46:22):
There's a lot to be said of that. So it
will be interesting once they do expand to the eighteen
game schedule, because I do anticipate they're gonna have two
bye weeks, but how they set that up is going
to be very interesting. So the way it is formata
right now. And you mentioned the fact you played their
last NFL game ten years ago, which isn't a long
time ago. Obviously, I remember when you were playing ten

(46:45):
years ago, and you know, I go back a lot further,
like the days when training camp used to open with
two a days in the first week of July. Are
they the way training camps are now?

Speaker 1 (46:58):
Rich? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Are they doing enough now? Everyone could say, well, look
what happened in twenty twenty They had no preseason games
because of COVID, and you have things looked a little
rusty the first couple of weeks, but it didn't take
long for everyone to sort of get up to speed.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Are you gonna ask if they're too soft, Steve, Well,
if I'm too.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
How necessary are they what exactly if you were to say,
all right, this in this day and age in twenty
twenty four, where you have players making enough money so
they can take care of themselves year round, theoretically, what
are you how would you format an NFL training camp
to best utilize that time to get your team ready

(47:40):
for the season.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Look, I think there's a couple of benefits to training
camp or to OTA's where you get the team together
in the offseason, whether mandatory or quote unquote non mandatory,
which for many players non mandatory still means very much
so mandatory.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
But I digress.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
The benefits are, obviously, you get guys thinking about football
and burying themselves in their playbook, or if they're not
the studying type, at least they're in the meeting rooms
listening to football. You know, they're having a coach explained
things and maybe those are things that they've heard a
million times, but maybe the light bulb goes off or

(48:20):
they make a different mental connection and it helps them
at some point in the season. Like, there are benefits,
and also there's team bonding, team building. Most of the time,
it is good to have your whole team together, Guys
getting used to each other, guys starting to care about
each other.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
All that stuff matters as well.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
And then also, you know, typically especially when we're dealing
with this age range, you know, young.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Suddenly rich or wealthy.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Men who are you know, alpha males, high testosterone like
all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
It keeps them out of trouble a little bit.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
You know, having everybody kind of under the pressure of
being evaluated by your coaches every day, a lot less
partying when you have to wake up for practice the
next day or an early meeting and you can't be late,
all that type of stuff. So you know, there's benefits.
Here are the negatives for every moment you spent on
a practice field, you have a chance of injury, and

(49:20):
that chance is extremely high because football is a dangerous game.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
It's a violent game.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Now, you could take the pads off and you could
just run around in your helmets and you can do
those sort of things, but how much are you really
getting out of practice then?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
And so you have to start thinking about are.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
We developing good habits practicing out of pads? And so
I do think there's a point of diminishing returns where
too much practice during the offseason can actually hurt your team.
And so I don't know exactly how I would script it,
but I promise you if I was king for a day,
there would be a lot less practices and there probably
would be a lot less meetings as well, because the

(50:00):
reality of the situation is the off seasons for the coaches,
It isn't for the place exactly.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
In other words, I'm not saying that coaches obviously don't
have a huge impact on these games, because they do.
But it just seems to me that when you overcoach
on the field, off the field, in the meetings room,
it's almost a justification of the salary you're drawing. And
these assistants as well as the head coaches are making

(50:27):
a pretty penny, So how do you justify that? Well,
you got it. You know, we gotta have more meetings
and you know, break down this and break down and just.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Coaches get bored. Look, let me let me tell you
about a coach's life. The most exciting part of being
a coach is actually being outside on the field coaching
your players, right, because that's what you got into it for.
You didn't get into it so you can watch, you know,
film reel after film reel after film reel, breaking down

(50:56):
what formation the offense you're preparing for, and the shifts
and the motions and all the different you know, plays
that they run, and how do we defeat this? You know,
they're going to run these cover two beaters against this defense,
and we like to run that defense, but we can't
run that defense. So what are we going to transition to?
All the figuring it out parts? Some guys obviously love

(51:17):
that part of it too, but I mean, the usually
coaches want to be out there on the field coaching,
And so I think coaches who obviously worked directly for
the owners, they don't have a union, They are directly
hired by the ownership. I think coaches have convinced owners
that we need to meet and we need to practice

(51:39):
as much as humanly possible. And the union, which is
obviously made up by the players, the NFLPA, they say, look,
we practice and.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
We meet too much.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
We can play just as good as football without all
these meetings and all these practices. And you know what,
the pandemic sort of proved it. The dirty little secret
is you don't need a practice as much as they do.
You don't because these guys understand the challenge. These guys
are staying in better shape than they ever have and
frankly they can because they're being paid.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Better than they ever have been paid.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
So you can spend your entire offseason concentrating on your nutrition,
making sure your weight is dialed in. You're getting stronger,
you're rehabbing from injuries, You're doing the things that you
need to do because it's hyper competitive out there and
you want to be the best you can.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
I always think back to a Hall of Fame coach
by the name of Bud Grant. He was the coach
of the Vikings Forever Okay, and Bud Grant was old school.
His idea of his work week during the season nine
to five. That's my workday. I work from nine to five, okay.
And what was interesting is that philosophy had carried over

(52:50):
to his team, so he wasn't breaking down guys in practice.
And guess what if you look at the length of
the careers of those Vikings players over that period, they
had some of the longest careers of any players in
the history of the NFL. Telling you, man, they had
some I mean you look fifteen, sixteen, seventeen years. All

(53:11):
of these great Viking players played forever and they never
seem to get hurt.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
If you take a hammer and you smack it against
stone over and over and over and over again, yes, yeah,
you're gonna break a lot of stones, There's no question
about it. But at some point you're gonna break the hammer.
At some point. You know, the handle it's going to snap,
it's going at some point, the metal's gonna crack.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
At some point, the.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Heavy the head of the hammer is gonna fly off
because you know, the wedge or the pressure wedge or
the glue that held it to the shaft of the
hammer is going to come apart.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
Something's gonna go wrong.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
If you overuse athletes it's the same thing. You will
wear them down eventually. And so I know it looks
soft or it sounds soft, like, oh, these football players,
these these men, these these don't get me wrong. Practice
is important, but there's a point of diminishing returns. And Buddy,
I wish I could have played for Bud Graat. That

(54:11):
sounds like, that sounds.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Like a picnic.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
I mean, oh, he never won a Super Bowl. He
went to four Super Bowls and by the way, in
an eleven year run, they made the playoffs ten times,
and they didn't have the expanded playoffs that we have now.
In those days, he had three division winners and one
wild card and they were in the playoffs ten out
of eleven years. So whatever he was doing, it was
working all right. Coming up on the other side, every year,
this is the most talked about team in the NFL,

(54:36):
regardless of what they actually do during the season. And
it's decision time once again for America's team will break
it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and
Rich Hornberger. Here Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from
the ti iraq dot Com studios. By the way, coming

(54:57):
up in a few weeks, we'll be long Rich Red
Zone Radio, yes, sir, but the two of us are
gonna be back in full force. And you know that means, folks,
it's it's honestly, of all the things I've done in
radio over these many many many many many many many
many years, nothing compares to Red Zone Radio.

Speaker 7 (55:18):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
We just have our whole crew here. You know, we
have Mansei, we have Bo, we have Chris, You and
I open mics watching you know, sometimes ten games simultaneously
trying to get our listeners updated on everything, on what's
happening in the games, the stats get for their fantasy football.
It's craziness. It flies by, uh and it's gonna be here,

(55:41):
so Rich.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
Yeah, yeah, it's it's really one of the best shows
that I've worked.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I mean, it's like the ultimate.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
It's it's i mean, it's just a bunch of us
sitting down, we're watching football, and we're saying words out
while watching football. It sort of sounds like what I'd
be doing anyways, exactly.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
It's exactly what you're doing. The mics are open, that's it.
That's the only difference is you're watching all the games,
you know, with all your buddies and everything else. Same
thing here. It's just that we have MIC's on and
it's yeah, it's football, football happening, so year in and
year out. Despite the fact that it's almost now thirty
years since this team has even made it to the

(56:28):
conference championship game, the Dallas Cowboys find a way to
stay in the news. And I don't think it's by accident.
I think Jerry Jones, who has the most valuable sports
franchise on the planet, understands that any time you can
find a way to be in the news is good

(56:49):
for the brand. And so once again we got this
contract situation with the Cowboys and Dak Prescott. Do we
still have that Dak Scott sound, Chris, He spoke the
other day, see if you've got that in the system.
Dak Prescott is trying to get an extension with the Cowboys. Remember,
he's coming off a season, a regular season in which

(57:11):
he was runner up for Most Valuable Player, He led
the NFL with thirty six touchdown passes, and then of
course follow that up with a dreadful playoff performance. His
regular season record is now seventy three and forty one.
His postseason record is two and five. Chris, did you
find that at all?

Speaker 5 (57:31):
Yeah, it's him talking about the money, right, yes, all right,
So this is this is Dak Prescott as he continues
to negotiate a new deal with the Cowboys.

Speaker 12 (57:41):
The money's out there, the money can it can happen,
it can be done. There's ways to make everything work
for both ways. And that's in that sense as it's
always about pushing the envelope for the next man.

Speaker 7 (57:52):
And that's why I said that.

Speaker 12 (57:55):
But then again it's I've never truly cared about the number.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Well, and he also had on another statement, he talked
about the fact that he's a dad now got to
think about the.

Speaker 4 (58:05):
Future, right, Yeah, so that was the other sound.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, do you have that sound as well?

Speaker 4 (58:09):
All right, I didn't evenalize.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
My mic was on, shoot, yes, yes, I want to
hear that. Yes, here we go. That's okay, we're all open.
MIC's here. Let's hear that.

Speaker 13 (58:16):
Just an off season of having a kid, your perspective
changes a little bit of life that sometimes you have
to look forward and having that downtime and in the
off season, as I said, it wasn't about necessarily obviously
when I was training, my focus was there, but just
in raising a newborn, creating a family. You have to
think about the future at times. And as I said,

(58:38):
I looked up and as I said, all great quarterbacks
and it's honestly a lot of quarterbacks that have done that.
And that's just the business and the nature of this game.
And that's me not being naive to that and to
those potentials. And as I said in that press conference,
and not something that I look for or prepare even
planned for. But if something like that happens, I'll be
most certainly ready for it, just because that's who I am,

(58:58):
and that's where my focus will remain and trying to
get better and wherever I'm at.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Yeah, I mean, you have to start thinking about your
kid's future when your net worth is only sixty million
dollars as we sit right now. All right, So let
me ask. I'm going to give you two options if
you are Dak Prescott or representing Dak Prescott. Option one
is to agree on a contract extension with the Cowboys.
Option two is to not ex sign an extension and

(59:26):
become a free agent after the season. And when you
think about the kind of money that Kirk Cousins got
right coming off of blown Achilles older than obviously Dak
will be a year from now. I mean we could
be looking at money through the stratosphere. If you are
Dak Prescott on the open market now, obviously you run

(59:49):
a risk of being hurt. Although again, what's more devastating
than an Achilles injury didn't hurt the market value for
Kirk Cousins. So those are your two choices. Which one
would you choose if you are Dak Prescott or representing
Dak Prescott.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Look, here's the tricky thing. If you overplay your hand,
you can hurt the potential you have in terms of
making money. However, there's a part of you, or any
athlete or any person that really does want to bet
on yourself and say, Okay, if they are still not

(01:00:28):
at my number and I think I'm worth what I
believe i'm worth, I'm not going to show up until
or at very least, I'm going to drive a hard
bargain until they reach or my number or something close
to it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
Here's the risks and the rewards.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
The risks are the Dallas Cowboys could have him play
out this contract and he could have a lousy year
or an injury ridden year, and end up. You know,
in a situation where a lot of teams are like, hey,
we just saw this song and dance with Russell Wilson,
do we really is there a team out there that's

(01:01:06):
really desperate enough to take the gamble on signing him
as a free agent. Now, in Russell Wilson's case, it
was a trade and Seattle made out like fat rats,
especially considering what Denver got.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
In terms of his performance.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
You think about it from that standpoint, there's recent precedent
where an aging veteran quarterback leaving the only team that
he's ever played for and going and playing in a
new city, a new environment, new teammates, all that stuff.
It didn't pan out the right way. Now, these are
two very different people from a personality standpoint. I think

(01:01:41):
that Dak seems, at least on at face value, a
little bit more authentic than maybe Russell Wilson does.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
And there aren't as many.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Weird, you know, kind of side stories coming out about
Dak's relationship with the coaching staff or with his his teammates.
I think that that was a very Russell Wilson storyline,
and that's not typical of a lot of other quarterbacks.
But getting back to Dak like there's some recent precedent
that this hasn't worked out. He's looking for an enormous

(01:02:15):
amount of money, I'm sure, and if you overplay your hand,
you may never see a contract even as big as
the most recent one you sign again. And potentially if
you underplay your hand though, you stick with the Dallas Cowboys,
who you haven't been able to usher into a conference
championship game or certainly into a super Bowl since you've

(01:02:37):
been the starting quarterback, you're going to see the coach
get fired most likely at some point during your tenure.
So you'll be onto your third coach during your tenure
with the Dallas Cowboys. And my question is this, you know,
if you do end up playing on a lesser than contract,
well lesser than you think you deserve, and you're going
through that those sea changes with the organization, is there

(01:03:00):
a part of Dak Prescott who says to himself, Hey,
you know, I wish I would have gotten opportunity to
play elsewhere. So that's the balancing act mentally that he's
going through trying to figure out what decision, what direction
to go in, and to be perfectly honest with you Steve,
there's no way to know if it's the right choice
or the wrong choice. Here's what I think is the
right choice for both sides, though, frankly, if they can

(01:03:23):
keep the party together, if he can get a contract
that satisfies him, if the Dallas Cowboys can do the same,
and they can continue keeping this ball rolling, Dak Prescott,
I promise you will not be more famous or more successful,
most likely with any other organization, and he certainly wouldn't
be the talking point that he is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
So many people pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
Dak Prescott because he's the Dallas Cowboys quarterback. If he
played for the Cardinals or the Falcons, or the Saints
or the Commanders, do you think we would talk about
Dak Prescott nearly as much?

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Danswer is absolutely yeah. On the other side, I'll give
you an update on why he is really sitting pretty
right now regardless of what option he chooses. But first
let's find out what is trending right now. And Monci,
we have had a lot going on in terms of
these Olympic Games.

Speaker 10 (01:04:18):
Really, there is so much going on, and it's I'm
with you. I'm enjoying them way more than I thought.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
I am again, I did not even know there was
three on three basketball. By the way, I was watching
the other day, I'm like, what am I watching?

Speaker 14 (01:04:32):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Is there three on three basketball in the Olympics. Of
course the US team went out.

Speaker 9 (01:04:37):
Yeah, the men's The men's is out.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Who would find, Yes, didn't even get out of the
group stage.

Speaker 9 (01:04:42):
Yeah, they were not doing so.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Embarrassing for us. And we can't put together a decent
three on three team.

Speaker 9 (01:04:48):
I mean a little bit.

Speaker 10 (01:04:51):
But the players aren't you know, they didn't pick three
players of the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:04:56):
Jimmifer Dad was on that team.

Speaker 10 (01:04:58):
Okay, Yeah, like you know, and there's like weird rules
in order for you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
To have to be eligible. I don't want to get this.
Anybody should be if they wanted to play, should be eligible,
but you're not. You have to actually play in a
three on three league to be eligible.

Speaker 9 (01:05:12):
Yeah, so it's a little bit you know different.

Speaker 10 (01:05:15):
Let's say, uh, let's start in baseball, fellas, because Paul Skins,
who you guys know, I already love. In fact, Brie
left me a shirt with skiings on it and a
mustache rich like, I love it. I mentioned that I
wanted a skiing shirt with a mustache and she literally
found that, so obviously I'm gonna start with that story.

(01:05:35):
He has been taken off the mound for the Pirates.
He did pitch five and a third innings. He gave
up one earned run. He gave up I think it
was let me double check the final five hits, two
earned runs.

Speaker 9 (01:05:46):
He struck out four, but in.

Speaker 10 (01:05:47):
Five and a third innings he did have one hundred pitches.
The Pirates, though, are still beating the Diamondbacks four to two,
top of the seventh inning, Marlins all over the Braves
in Atlanta six zero, top of the seventh, as wells
blanking the Brewers four zero, top of the eighth. The
Yankees have yet to score. They do have a man
on first and second. It's the bottom of the sixth inning,

(01:06:08):
but the Blue Jays are up to zero. The Guardians
are making it interesting. They have cut their deficit to
one against the Oriels six y five, top of the six,
Tigers beating the Royals to zero bottom of the seventh.

Speaker 9 (01:06:19):
White Sox on the scoreboard again. They've lost nineteen.

Speaker 10 (01:06:22):
In a row, but the Twins are up eight to
two top of the fourth. Rays are beating the Astros
one zero, bottom of the fifth and the Rangers are
beating the Red Sox two to one, top of the fourth.
One game already wrapped up in baseball, and it's the
Giants who took down the Reds eight to two was
the final score. Now, Noah Lyles, does that name.

Speaker 9 (01:06:40):
Sound familiar to you?

Speaker 10 (01:06:41):
That is the sprinter who made a comment about, you know, basketball,
the NBA calling themselves world champions.

Speaker 9 (01:06:49):
Chemi is a what remember.

Speaker 10 (01:06:50):
That he just lost in I think he's still advancing
to the next round, but in one of these heats,
one of these you know, qualifying races. He had lost
two oblique Seville by point zero two tenths of a second,
and there's like a picture and he is looking at
him like as.

Speaker 9 (01:07:08):
They crossed the finish line, he's just staring at him.

Speaker 10 (01:07:11):
But Seville, Seville, I don't know how he says his
last name. By point zero two tenths of a second
is how he beat Noah Lyles. Scotti Scheffler won the
gold in men's golf, while Tommy Fleetwood took silver. He
Deki Matsuyama took the bronze. We just talked about women's basketball.
They defeated, but not the three on three. The actual

(01:07:32):
five on five women's basketball defeated Germany eighty seven to
sixty eight. They're perfect three and zero in pool play
and honorable mention Nigeria's women's national team. They made history
the first African basketball team man or woman to reach
an Olympic quarterfinals.

Speaker 9 (01:07:46):
So a little little knowledge for you there.

Speaker 10 (01:07:48):
In swimming twenty eight total swimming medals fourteen USA, Bobby
Fink goes back to back to win gold fourteen USA,
breaking the men's fifteen hundred world record. USA also won
the gold in the women's four by one hundred medley relay,
also set a world record. Women's volleyball, they swept France
to finish group play two to one. They're advancing to
the quarterfinals. And Novak Djokovic he defeated Carlos Soukaras in

(01:08:09):
tennis to win his first gold medal at the age
of thirty seven.

Speaker 9 (01:08:14):
Back to you guys, all.

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Bye should be. Have you have you noticed as your
boys are getting older, they get more expensive?

Speaker 1 (01:09:33):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Yeah, yeah, that is that's a consistency that uh that
I guess we should have could have saw coming, but
didn't didn't didn't necessarily and here we are.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah, and uh, as someone with grown children myself, it
never ends. Spyder.

Speaker 1 (01:09:48):
Oh good, that's comforting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
It just gets more and more and more right through
the stratosphere. All Right, So the Cowboys, and we're talking
about this Dak Prescott situation. They were hoping that they
might be entering this time to have some sort of
leverage against Dak Prescott, Like they got something in the

(01:10:10):
bullpen where they could say, well, if you don't take this,
or we'll go to option B. Well, option B is
not working out very well, right. Trey Lance, who they
acquired from the forty nine ers, by all accounts, has
been flat out awful during this training camp, Like he
has no concept of the Cowboys offensive system. In fact,

(01:10:36):
some people reporting on the Cowboys have been sharing videos
of interceptions he's throwing to well directly to defenders right,
like there's no receiver actually in the picture. And there's
been some suggestions that all right, if you're going to
create an option B in Trey Lance, and this system

(01:10:56):
is not working for this guy, then you need to
create a new system them for Trey Lance. I don't
know why I get back to this whole Trey Lance thing.
Remember the forty nine ers they traded up and yeah
they lucked out with Brock Purdy. But what happened here?

(01:11:17):
How can guys be so wrong about a player who
played one year of FCS football and he was anointed
as a generational talent. Remember his one year as a starter.
He didn't throw a single interception?

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
None, He ran for over a thousand yards, Yeah, like
three thousand yards passing. Obviously, North Dakota State they win
that championship every year, and it was that kind of
a year. Then came the COVID year where he played
I think one game. They only played one game as
a team, and then he was the third pick in
the draft. So it appears that whatever plans they had

(01:11:57):
for a possible Plan B to make we gained some
leverage to sort of keep dak Prescott's contract in line
has gone out the window.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
So I'm gonna comment on on two things along the
Trey Lance storyline. Two things can be true at once
Trey Lance could have been a generational talent but also
not have been ready to play at the NFL level,
Like it's okay to be super talented at one level

(01:12:31):
and really not not not capable of making that jump,
because let's face it, all this is based on potential anyways.
It's not like because Bryce Young worked out and CJ.
Stroud or excuse me didn't work out and c J.
Stroud did, mikes the Carolina Panthers, you know, so stupid,

(01:12:53):
Like how could they take him first overall?

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Meanwhile c J.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
Stroud is the second overall pick and the Houston Texans,
now if on their franchise quarterback, what a laughing stock
Carolina is. It's like, yeah, not so fast, because there
was a chorus of people saying that Bryce Young was
the number one overall pick in this draft. This is
all based on potential, So yeah, I mean they looked

(01:13:17):
at this big, strong, mobile, accurate, consistent performer at North
Dakota State and said, hey, I think we've got a
situation on our hands where we if we draft this guy,
he could be the future of football, and not just
the future of this franchise, but he could take over

(01:13:40):
this league. And to be perfectly honest with you, maybe
with a different team it would have worked out, maybe
with a different system, maybe with a different group of players.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Around him, or maybe not.

Speaker 3 (01:13:51):
You just don't know because there's thirty two chances, you know,
for a team to draft you, and you never know
where you're gonna go, and each situation is gonna be
vastly different from the other. So I digress on that
part of the conversation to just say, like it is
a crapshoot in the draft.

Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Now moving on to where he is in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
Yeah, there are some reports that have been negative, but
training camp is supposed to be about learning, especially if
you're a backup quarterback and you have limited reps. You know,
if you're thrown into the frying pan, you know, and
you're going against the number one defense some days and
you're throwing the football around the yard and you're unsure

(01:14:32):
of yourself and you're unsure of maybe the game plan
because you weren't expecting to get some.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Reps or maybe you were.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
But they're challenging you at practice the way that you
should challenge your offense because you want to try to
make them better. Well, that's a good thing. I don't
understand why we get so negative on players during training camp.
So I think this. I think that it's possible that
the Dallas Cowboys like them, that they're not afraid that
people are saying, you know, negative things about them online

(01:14:59):
because they're not moving off of him. And if he
ends up getting some playing time this year for whatever reason,
the expectations are low, so he most likely will overperform
them if he's any kind of a player at all. Yeah,
I'm gonna reserve judgment on Trey Lance, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
But at the same time, like I said, they were
hoping that. I mean, if he ever develops it, it
wouldn't be this year. There's no switch. It's going to
be right now, at least in the system that they
run because it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
And they may have been hoping that, but they only
stake the fourth rounder on that, h hope.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
But unfortunately they got to make a decision now. And
apparently the big hold up isn't necessarily the money of
the contract for Dak Prescott. It is the length of
the contract and that is the hold up right now.
All right, we got more NFL news for you, because
well that's what we like best at this time of
the year. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harbin and

(01:15:54):
Rich Harberger Fox Sports Sunday. We are live from the
tire rack dot Com studios. So one of the awards
they give out in the NFL every year is the
Comeback Player of the Year. I wonder if there should
be another award added, Comeback Coach of the Year. I

(01:16:16):
really wonder about this rich And the one coach that
I'm trying to zero in right now is Brian Dable
of the Giants. So Brian Dable becomes the head coach
of the Giants with a lot of fanfare after he
was given a full credit for the emergence of Josh
Allen in Buffalo as one of the premier quarterbacks in

(01:16:36):
the league. And then as the first year coach, the
Giants make the playoffs, even win a road playoff game
against the Vikings, and they decide that and he's decided
that he has his quarterback in Daniel Jones, and they
give him a huge deal. And then twenty twenty three happens,
and it wasn't just the fact that they had a
bad season with wins and losses. There was the melt

(01:17:00):
down with Martindale. I mean, it just looked like a
coach that had seemingly overnight gone in front of one
of the most highly tauted new coaches in the league
to a guy that had completely lost control and so
now they're in training camp. They're trying to put some
positive spins on the comeback of Daniel Jones right now.

(01:17:22):
But from a player's standpoint, can a coach be rehabbed
because we talk about this a lot rich like, once
a coach has sort of lost the locker room, it's over,
it's time to move on. Can you get it back?
I mean, can Brian Dable regain the stature that he
was enjoying after his first season with the Giants after

(01:17:45):
what happened last season?

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
Yep? By winning? Tell you what?

Speaker 3 (01:17:50):
Winning is the soothing bomb or the healing salve that
cures all wounds. You want to have belief in your system,
or your coaching prowess, or your ability to lead win
a whole bunch of ball games because players don't get
me wrong. Players understand that they're responsible for outcomes. But

(01:18:12):
unless there is a completely incompetent person at the head
of the team, there's an awareness that coaching is important,
and leadership is important, and having a singular voice and
tone setter helping the cause along is important. And I
think that first year with Brian day Ball proved that
you know that the players, that there was a big

(01:18:33):
amount of buying in that locker room, that the players
appeared to play hard for him, and at times last year,
outside of like the offensive struggles, that defense played really
successfully at times that they played winning football.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
There wasn't a ton of quit in the Giants.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
So yeah, the answer to your question in short is absolutely,
he can win back the locker room or can win
over more hearts and minds just by get I getting
out to a good start this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
Season well, but part of getting to a good start
obviously is again getting back to what you discussed. In
their first year, they were all in with Brian Dable,
Like he came in with a hot resume, and the
Giants were looking for you know, they'd had this turnover
that was at four straight coaches that were two and

(01:19:22):
out with a Giant, so they were like looking for
that guy to bring some stability to the organization. And
they were fully in that first year to get as
far as they got. But it completely unraveled last year. Yeah,
I mean it completely unraveled. And obviously when you look
at expectations for this Giants team going into twenty twenty four,

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there are no expectations other than another bad season. And
if he has another bad season, most likely Brian Dabel
is going to be looking for another job. And so
I'm just always curious, like, can coaches really rehab themselves?
He said, well, winning, But winning comes with everyone being

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on the same page, does it not?

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Of course?

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
And it starts with the quarterback Daniel Jones. There's a
lot riding on this season with DJ. If he has goodyear,
so will Brian Dable. If he has a bad year,
the Giants, the ownership may decide to blow the whole
thing up.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see. By the way,
Daniel Jones. The report is Dable holding Daniel Jones' feet
to the fire. Well, yeah, for his own job. Security
is what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:30):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
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the books. Noel Liles, as reported by Montzi and the update,
has won the one hundred meter final. He is the
fastest man on the planet. And what a final it was.
He did not get a good start in this race

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and he won at the wire.

Speaker 5 (01:21:17):
He won by five one thousandths of a second.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
He had to overcome. He really almost was the last
guy out of the blocks. And unbelievable finish.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
To this race.

Speaker 5 (01:21:31):
They've got the photo from up top and it is
just it is the It is the toes of his
foot just barely outstretching the Jamaican runner.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
That was an unbelievable I just watched several replays of it.
Now give us the backstory again. So Noel Liles called
out the NBA player years ago, yeah back in the day,
claiming that being NBA champions is not world champions.

Speaker 5 (01:21:58):
I don't they call themselves world champions. And he kind
of like it was more of a thing about all
American sports calling themselves world champions. And he was he
kind of cheekly was like world champions of what you know,
what countries are you competing against?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
I don't know, how do you feel about that? Rich
if you have a when you say I'm a world
champion winning an American team sport championship. Huh?

Speaker 3 (01:22:27):
I mean, what's what's the problem you have with the
delineation there?

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Well, I don't know. You're an NBA champion, You're an
NFL champion. You're a champion as opposed to calling yourself
a world champion.

Speaker 5 (01:22:39):
He was trying to pump himself up about like how
important like his you know, he was talking a lot
about like he thought what he was doing was on
higher scale at the time for track and field, and
to be clear, like he's gone through a lot too,
and this was I think, what was it a couple
of years ago when he made those statements as well, So.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
I don't like, you know, for example, Austin river Goes
goes and says, hey, I don't think I think there's
a lot more NBA players who could play in the
NFL than vice versa, right, and then everybody goes to
nuts and it's like really, and you know you want
to make your list and ride off of this, you know,
this wake of you know, people being upset about it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:18):
Right, I think this feels similar.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
It's like, well, of course, the best football players in
the world, the world champion football players are the players
in the NFL, you know what I mean. I'm not
saying I'm not saying that there aren't great football players
in other countries. There are, you know, there have been
some great foreign born football players. But it just so
happens that the best football players play in the United

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States consistently, and the majority of them are here in
the United States playing in the NFL. And so when
they say a Super Bowl winner is a world champion, yeah,
that makes sense to me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Same with baseball, really, I mean, you have a World
Baseball Classic, right, isn't that more of a representative of
a world tournament?

Speaker 3 (01:24:01):
Well, I suppose you're right there. However, even then the
teams that come together for the WBC, are they really
even the best teams that America can make?

Speaker 5 (01:24:15):
Well, this in lies the rub of like trying to
do world champion when we do also have here kind
of the differentiation between amateur and like the Olympic and
or semi pro whatever we call this now versus a
team of what you have, which is composed professionals. Look,
I know those are the best, and they're being paid
to be the best on their teams.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
And I hate to distill it to just that, but
Chris is right, and I mean, and the point is
the reason why Major League Baseball is the the prime
baseball league on the planet is because.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
It pays the best money.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
The reason why soccer is better in Europe is it
pays better than the United States. Like that's that look
football same way here in the USA. You know, it's
a mixed bag with hockey, other Olympic sports and other
more fringe sports like you know, volleyball and things of
that nature, like overseas obviously pays better.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
But like that's what this comes down to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
And so the getting all hot and bothered about the
Moniker World Champion, I mean, it's a talking point, but
I think overall we're just arguing semantics, you know. Yeah,
I think when the Olympics comes together, when you win
Olympic gold in these track and field sports, there's something

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insanely important in terms of your credentialing as a sprinter
or javelin thrower.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Or you know, shot putter or you know, a.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Four by one hundred relay runner, like, that's that's impressive.
It's important if if you're a baseball player and you
win over to South Korea and you won whatever, the
World Series of the KBO is, it's not going to
be nearly as impressive as if you're a Korean born
player playing the United splates States and winning a World

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series with say the New York Mets.

Speaker 1 (01:26:05):
You know, it's just it's just what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
By the way, I'm I'm looking at pictures of this
photo finish in the ons, so it's so close, and
so what's interesting about the photo If you look at
this photo, so they show Noah Lyle's foot on the
finish line, but the Jamaican runner's lead leg has already

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crossed the finish line. It's just not on the ground.
So he actually part of his body is actually across
the line. So I was always wondering, is it where
your foot is and it's where your chest is your
upper body. Yeah, it's because it is that the photo

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finisher show and they have lyles foot on the finish line,
but if you look down the line, the Jamaican runner's
extended leg has already crossed the line.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
So I look this up before the Olympics this year
because I've always been confused, like, why do you see
when when sprinters or runners are finishing a race shorter
or long and it's and it feels like it's going
to be a close finish. Yeah, why do they like
swing their arms back and push their chest forward. It's
because your chest when your chest breaks the tape or

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the plane where the finish line is, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
That's who's who's first? Whose ever chest crosses the tape first?

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Well, it has to be because again the Jamaican runner's
leg as he was striding to the finish line actually
was the first body part to cross the finish line, right,
But he does not win the race. It goes to Lyles,
who's I guess his chest was the first part of
to finish the cross. That was unbelievable finish though. Yeah, crazy, crazy,

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I mean he was down that whole race, and it's
just you know, we were talking.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
That is the gold medal that now ties us with China.
So it does we are now caught up. We should
yet I think seventy I have to go see everything else.
But last I checked seventy medals and that would have
made gold medal number nineteen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:06):
So we have been talking about this as well, Rich,
the fact that if you go to any any kind
of metal count on American TV has had the United
States ahead because they go by total medals. Yeah, but
if you go to the official Olympic website Olympics dot com,
they listed in order by gold medals, So China has

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been number one on that list pretty much through these
entire Olympics, and now.

Speaker 5 (01:28:32):
Our team USA now on top nineteen gold, seventy one
medals total.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
There you go, So there you go. It just you know,
we were also talking about this, Rich. When you watch
these athletes at this level, no matter what the sport,
it just mind blowing, it really is. You know, it's
mind blowing how far the human body can be pushed.
Were you upset at all by these stories about the

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gender questions in terms of the female boxers. Did that
story stir you up in any way?

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I mean, look, I think that the reason why the
Olympics has, or i should say really just about every
single international body has sanctioned events to you know, have
it be by gender, is for good reason because somebody
could get killed. And so I don't know, what the

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outcome is here. I know that somebody with the IOC
spoke out and said that the and I'm blanking on
the name of both of these fighters, but the fighter
in question was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
The Algerian fighter was.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
Born a woman.

Speaker 3 (01:29:46):
Yes, birth certificate says her gender is a woman, has
always fought, you know, in women's boxing, all those things.
So I mean, I guess what more can you do
to prove I other than.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Well, the fact was is that a year ago in
another international boxing competition she was decued because or what
reasons her testosterone levels were too high or something along
these LUNs.

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Well, do we know if that's in it? Like is
that testog?

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
They do test Obviously at the Olympic Games we've had,
she didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:30:20):
Compete in Tokyo as well.

Speaker 3 (01:30:22):
So so my my my thought process is you you
can be but you can you can be a woman,
and beyond testosterone, you can you can put yourself on
performance enhancing drugs. So if you're dqued because your testosterone
is too high, but they don't you don't flag for
any specific cocktail of drugs to create that circumstance. That

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there there's a range that they they consider acceptable and
if you're beyond that range, well then you'll flag as
being you know, as enhancing your performance in some way,
because there has to be an explanation for your testosterone
being well.

Speaker 2 (01:30:57):
But I mean it is possible. It's there are women
that have always been women, that are women that just
naturally have higher testosterol levels than other women. It's also possible.

Speaker 6 (01:31:08):
It's important to note that this organization that everybody points
to as the one that you know, ring the alarm
or whatever, has been discredited.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
Yeah they were discredited.

Speaker 5 (01:31:17):
It was it was Russian Tide and yeah, yeah, that's
when it came up.

Speaker 14 (01:31:23):
I see.

Speaker 3 (01:31:24):
And so this is this is the the tricky part
about navigating these storylines. And I really I haven't spoken
about this at all publicly until today. I mean, nobody's
asked me about it, and I don't really care to
really wade in these waters unless asked, because frankly, I
feel like this gets so political so fast, and people
get really bent out of shape just based on people's opinions.

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And I don't really think it's it's really much of
a political discussion. In many ways, I think that sports
have separated, you know, athletes by gender for a long time.
I don't see that coming to an end anytime soon,
and that's for very obvious reasons, you know, I mean,
there there could be severe consequences if if you if

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you make it like co ed football at the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
UH, I guess the question would be then moving on.
I'm one hundred percent with you on all this, but
I mean it does come down to this question. Yes,
about biological males right identifying as female and wanting to
compete in sports. What's your answer?

Speaker 1 (01:32:37):
It's so above my pay grade.

Speaker 2 (01:32:38):
Scene I know I didn't. I don't know what answer.

Speaker 1 (01:32:41):
What's your answer.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
Unless you have a separate division.

Speaker 3 (01:32:44):
For let me let me let me ask you an
easier question. Yes, if if your daughter was a boxer, yes,
and she had a fight scheduled against.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
A biological male who who just just for right before
the fight, decided to say no, I'm a woman, I
want to schedule a fight against Paris Heart, I would
think it would be grossly unfair obviously, So I look,
I by the way, I've been around the Title nine
almost from the beginning. I mean Title nine came into
being at the time I was entering college, and you know,

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so I've been very aware I have obviously known some
of the great female athletes in history, and I know
everything they have fought for to get to a certain level.
But you don't want to exclude anybody from the opportunity, right,
Isn't that what we're talking about here? Why should anybody

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be excluded?

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Here's my hope, and this is this is one hundred
percent my thoughts on all of this. My hope is
we can find a solution. And like I said, it's
above my pay grade because I haven't thought of a
good enough solution yet where sports are inclusive, to include
every single person, regardless of what gender they claim.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Or their sexuality, or their race.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
I hate the thought that something that has brought so
many people together, athletics, sports, you know, is a place
where some of these very hyper political and personal arguments
are being waged.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
There's a purity to sports that I've always loved.

Speaker 3 (01:34:31):
Your life's confusing, but then when you go on the
football field, it all seems very simple, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Your life, Your life could be a wreck at home.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
You may have you know, a mom who's up to
bad things, you don't have a dad in your life,
or vice versa.

Speaker 1 (01:34:44):
You got a dad who's up to bad things.

Speaker 3 (01:34:45):
You don't have a mom in your life, or maybe
you have two parents in the home and they're very troubled,
but you go to the basketball court and life all
of a sudden makes sense because you find, you know,
I don't know, some some level of sanctuary in in sport.
You know, I know so many athletes who felt like
I did growing up, where you know, you didn't feel

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like you fit in all that well until you found
sports in your life. And so for those those athletes
who are transgendered and who are looking for home in sports,
I hope that they're at some point and sooner rather
than later, there's a a agreeable decision made to make
everybody feel like they fit in and that they can

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they can perform, and that this is no longer a
political football and no longer an issue.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
You want audition without subtraction, exactly correct, and as look at.
You don't want to take away from somebody else's dream
and order for your dream to be achieved, everyone should
have the equal opportunity, all right. Coming up on the
other side, we got a lot of big baseball news.
We got to get to some history being made around
Major League Baseball our insider John Paul Morosi will join us.

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This is Fox Sports Sunday, Steve Harman and Rich Armburger
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I got to start with a guy that Rich and
I got to know when he first came to San Diego.
We instantly fell in love with this guy who loved
his personality, the way he talked and everything else. Talking
about Blake Snell. And a week ago we were talking
about Blake Snell as a hot commodity on the trade market.
He did not get traded. He stayed with the Giants
and then promptly threw a no hitter. And it was

(01:36:39):
a deceiving headline saying he'd thrown his first no hitter. Okay, yeah,
it was also the first complete game of his career,
his two hundred and second career major league started. And oh,
by the way, it's the first time that he'd ever
even completed eight full innings in his career. So here's
a guy that had two Cy Young Awards before he

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actually had his first complete game. And I'm thinking about
this right now. Can you ever see a day because
the idea of too many innings is bad for pitchers
seems to go out the window because it just seems
like we have more pitchers hurt than ever before. I
mean the Dodgers alone, I mean we have pictures going

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on the il every single day. It seems like a
Major League baseball and the idea of trying to save
them don't throw as many innings. I don't buy it.
I don't think there's there's the information to back it up.
And Blake Snell obviously was you know, pretty you know,
outspoken saying, you know this idea that I'm a six

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inning pitcher, Come on, give me that opportunity. Can you
ever see the day when a complete game will not
be like we've had what seven or eight teams going
entire season without a complete game? Will we ever see
the return of starting pitchers regain the mindset of going
nine innings.

Speaker 14 (01:38:01):
It's a great question, Steve, and good afternoon. As always,
I always look forward to this conversation every week. It's
to me, we have gone too far in the direction
of heavily curating innings and restricting innings for it to
ever bounce back to what it was before I was
even thinking. This goes back basically only a decade. I

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was in Detroit, Derek Scoogle through a brilliant performance against
the Minnesota Twins. It was, I believe the seventh time
this year that he had gone seven innings with two
or fewer earned runs. That was pretty good. That's a
high quality start. Seven innings to ear and runs. And
I said, wow, seven, that's a pretty good number in
these days. And I said, I wonder where that ranks

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in recent Tigers history. I went back and realized that
when Verlander his peak was at his peak back in
early twenty tens, he had multiple years in which he
had done that eighteen or nineteen times. Think about that,
just like twelve years ago. So it's changed that much.
And even you go back and look at the number

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of complete games. I remember a day when the Great,
when the Great Royal Halliday was pitching for Toronto and
then Philly, he was going complete games routinely. It just
doesn't happen anymore, and I think in fairness and Blake acknowledges,
I think it was maybe an interview with ESPN the
night of his no hitter, he said, basically, in fairness
to his teams and his managers who have often taken
him out in the sixth or seventh inning or before that,

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he said, look, I'm a strikeout pitcher, and so strikeouts
take a lot of time. And I think that was
when you talk about Halliday or Verlander. Why they were
so great is that they were often available to be
economical enough early in the game to still have their
good stuff late in the game and continue to be

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their team's best option in the seventh inning or in
the eighth inning. And that, I think is how the
game has changed. Just that pitchers are max effort, max zlo,
max spin, which results in you being more tired later
and indeed also earlier in games, but also the way
that teams are designed with the max sling and miss

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late in the ballgame, a manager is more lifely to say, yeah,
I realize you're still a really good pitcher, but my
seventh inning guy is now throwing one hundred and one
with the slider from from just the great beyond that
we just we can't. We can't get any better. Options
have gotten out right now in the seventh inning. So
I think that, to me is part of It's not

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just the starting pitchers and the way they're trained, but
just the way that managers look at the game and
what they've gotten the seventh inning. Increasingly, I think that
if pitchers were trained different way, I think this is
probably the biggest point of all. If they were trained
different way from the time they were thirteen fourteen years
old to college ball to minor league baseball, if they

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were hearing from everybody, listen, the way to get paid
is to be efficient and to throw in the low
nineties and get weak contact and trust your defense and
throw seven or eight innings. If that was the message
they were getting, they would do that instead amateur baseball,
picking travel teams, picking college teams, drafting players, handing out contracts.

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They say to you, throw it as hard as you can,
and we'll give you a contract. And that's how you
get someone like Glass, not who I like a lot tyler,
but he got that massive deal with the Dodger without
ever having to throw one hundred and seventy innings in
the season because the arm is that great and people say, wow,
they're just fascinated by the stuff. And that's the way
teams are being run now. I'm not saying it's good,

(01:41:42):
batter and different, but that's just the current reality of
the game. And it's not allowing pitchers to learn how
to throw the way that Halliday and Verlander did. And
by the way, that wasn't when TVs are black and white. Okay,
that was like the recent history, and I think it's
important for teams and players to realize that you can
still have success in that older school way, the way

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that for example Seth Lugo is doing right now with
the Kansas City Royals.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
JP.

Speaker 3 (01:42:07):
Taking a look at teams prospects down the second half
and really the final third of this season. I'm not
going to ask you the great the trade deadline or
tell me who won, but based on need, which teams
do you think did the best job of addressing those
needs and you feel like they are stocked and ready

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for bear for this final push.

Speaker 14 (01:42:30):
The Seattle Mariners, they were finally able to address that
offense and it did not take a Vladimer Guerrero Junior.
It took a Ranti Rosarina and to Justin Turner, and
just with a couple of more bats, it looks like
a much different team. And they were able to beat
Philly last night, come back and win that ball game,
a huge win for Seattle. They've played really well over

(01:42:52):
the last week. And again it's a small sample, but
rich to your point, sometimes the right movement the deadline
can really get a team on the right I think
it's certainly been the case for the Seattle managers. Listen
the San Diego Padres. You both watch them very closely.
They have quietly over the last couple months made this
a really interesting season, and they're now right on the

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heels of the Dodgers. I think this. You know, a
lot of teams are looking at grading the deadline and saying, well,
the Padres went heavily in the bullpen with Scott and Adam,
and that's true, but I actually include the cease and
Arayas deals with this for the grading purposes. I look
at it as being it's not just the last week
of July, but rather from the time you report to

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spring training to now is almost like an extended trade deadline.
And they've been very busy since the beginning, and listen,
I love that about Aj Prother. He doesn't always make
the right moves, but he makes moves. He keeps things interesting,
and I think that for Padre fans, you think about
the way the season began and the loss of the
amazing owner, Peter Sither, and what everything he's done, I

(01:43:58):
think that it's it really has been a great tribute
to him that Aj has kept trying to improve this team,
and it's been a little bit of a different way
of building. You look at the way the Dodgers went
heavily into starting pitching last offseason. The pottery is maybe
a different approach, but look at how that it's worked
out in there right now in a tremendous position, I think,
to make a run of the playoff spot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:19):
Yeah, and the Diamondbacks aren't far behind. They're also playing
some pretty good baseball right now. I mean, can you
imagine if both the Potterys and the Diamondbacks were over
to take the Dodgers. Now, the good news, obviously for
the Dodgers is they're gonna get Mookie Bits back. You know,
they're you know, they're hoping that Yamamoto. He guess he's doing.
Some throwing is gonna come back. They're gonna get some
bits and pieces back. But the Kershaw return doesn't look promising,

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and it's almost like, once again, this Dodger team that
invested over a billion dollars in new contracts finds itself
in a very similar situation to last year unless they
can actually get three healthy, effective starting pitchers ready for
a postseason one.

Speaker 14 (01:45:01):
It is amazing that a team with these kinds of
resources is still in this situation. There are basically twenty
nine other teams that do not have the resources the
Dodgers do. And you could argue the Yankees I suppose
to do on some level, and the Mets, but it's
a small group of people, and there are a lot
of teams out there with much lower levels of pitching resources,

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of financial resources. Let's say, who have a better pitching
picture right now than the Dodgers do. And let's be honest.
The last two postseasons, the Dodgers are one and six.

Speaker 2 (01:45:37):
Yeah, one and six.

Speaker 14 (01:45:39):
And we can argue about the format and say that
there were teams that were hot that came in and
the Padres beat them two years ago, and the Diamondbacks
beat them last year, but I think that that's a
little bit over stating things there. This is a team
that has just simply not been able to develop consistent,
healthy pitching. And the one year in which they won

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it was the year where they didn't really have to
have a starting pitching staff for one sixty two is
for sixty and the full creds to then for winning
it that year. But I think that that might tell
us something about the way this team has been built.
It's for the sprint, and they're not able to necessarily
keep these guys healthy for seven months, and maybe it's
because they're drawn to the hard throwers that our max

(01:46:22):
fin max below and break down whatever it is. At
some point in time, guys, they're going to have to
win the World Series to quiet the critics. That's it,
and they've had every resource and it would be I
think for them a huge disappointment if in the first
year of Yamamoto and Otani, if they can't get there now.
They may quickly say and be fair the Labotani on

(01:46:44):
the mountain next year, and that's that's true, But for
this team right now, I am concerned. I am concerned
about where the rotation is going to be. They did
bring in Jack Flaherty. He pitched really well on his Dodgers' debut,
which is wonderful to see and certainly I'm rooting for him.
It is a really, really tough time right now for
the Dodgers to see what that playoff rotation will be,

(01:47:05):
let alone, what the rotation is going to be in
the middle of August.

Speaker 3 (01:47:09):
I don't know exactly where the line of demarcation for
the New York Yankees is in terms of expectations, But
for the Dodgers, a lot of people are still on this,
Hey it's World Series or bus based on the amount
of financial commitments they made this offseason. I'm gonna ask
you a question, but it's about both of these teams.
If expectations aren't met with the Dodgers and the Yankees

(01:47:32):
this postseason, or heavens forbid, they should miss the postseason,
what do you think will be the result, like whose
jobs are in jeopardy? What will be the almost like
the blood tax at the front office or the field
level that you think we'll see as a result of
underperforming expectations for these two franchises.

Speaker 14 (01:47:55):
The great question with the Dodgers, I just cannot imagine.
I cannot fathom Dave Roberts not being their manager next
year now if they fully missed the postseason. I think
in either case, the Yankees or Dodgers, I suppose that
anything is possible, but there's no way. And this is

(01:48:16):
Dave Roberts has given year after year pitchers who break
down flirty. I believe it's somewhere now in the mid
teams of the number of starny pitchers of the Dodgers
have had to use this year. That's not Dave Roberts' fault,
no chance. And I just think that he connects so well.
He's built the trust now with show as you think

(01:48:36):
about the Freddie Freeman in situation with his son and
prayers for young maximiths that he's back to full health soon.
Of course Freddie hoping, hoping to rejoin the team tomorrow,
so let's hope that that's the case. But the trust
that Dave has built with show A and Freddie and Mookie,
that is really important. And I cannot imagine that anybody

(01:48:56):
would do better than what Dave Roberts has done. And
when if the if the pitchers are breaking down, it's
not Dave Roberts fault. There's no chance now the Yankees.
I similarly, I am a I am an Aaron Boone
supporter here with a lot of the things that he's done,
and you think about this team and he benches labor

(01:49:17):
tours the other day, and he deserved it. He's had
to find a way to make this team work with
with le Mage and not being able to really be
the player that he once was. Rizzo was hurt again.
They've been so reliant on the two big guys, Judge
and Soto. Again. I find it's very difficult to blame

(01:49:37):
Aaron Boone if anything. I think with the Yankees it
might be the front office having to pay some tax
one way, shape or form. But with the Dodgers, you
look at it. They just less than a year ago,
they spent a billion dollars on two players, and I
just cannot imagine that the Dodger ownership would say, yeah,

(01:49:58):
I realized we trusted you to spend a bill million
dollars last year, but we no longer trust you now.
I just I don't see that happening either. It's it's
just a it's a riddle. If anything, the Dodgers have
to find a way to bring in and or develop
pitchers who do not get hurt as often. It's it's
it is both a simple and very complicated question, but

(01:50:20):
they have got to find a better answer for what
the reality has been for them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:23):
Well, I know some Dodger fans are frustrated, but it
could be worse. They could be White Sox fans. They
look like they're on their way. There their twentieth straight loss,
the modern record twenty three straight losses by the sixty
one Phillies. Next week we may be talking about a
record setting White Sox team. JP, great stuff as always,
thanks for joining us. We'll talk to you next week.

Speaker 14 (01:50:42):
Tells me my friends always enjoy it, and and pretty
soon we'll have a little big ten football to talk
about as well, which I cannot. Well, I'll be I'll
be in Central PA for the Little League World Series
as I oft and am so ill. I'll be calling
you guys on my on my journey back from there.
How about that.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
We always appreciate JP. Thanks so much, all about you too,
John Paul Morosi, Johnny us there all right, quickly, Now
let's find out what is a trending. She had to
wait a while, but We're finally there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:08):
It's okay.

Speaker 9 (01:51:09):
I'm watching women's beach volleyball. I'm not upset about anything.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Well, I'm never upset about watching right these ladies.

Speaker 10 (01:51:16):
I mean, I'm just saying, like, I'm so jealous that
they could jump that high on the sand. Ye, not
in a gym, but on this sand where I.

Speaker 9 (01:51:23):
Just get stuck.

Speaker 10 (01:51:25):
USA is playing Italia Italy. They won the first set
and in the second set, Italia Chris like that is
currently up fourteen to nine against the USA. This is
the round of sixteen in the women's beach of volleyball.
Earlier today at the Olympics, Scotti Scheffler won the gold
women's basketball.

Speaker 9 (01:51:41):
Defeated Germany eighty seven to sixty eight.

Speaker 10 (01:51:43):
Novak Djokovic won his first gold medal in tennis at
the age of thirty seven, defeating Carlos outcraz and then
Noah Lyles.

Speaker 9 (01:51:51):
It was an absolute photo finish. Nobody knew who won.

Speaker 15 (01:52:11):
We thought it was gonna take ninety seven to win.
Guess what, you just like a nine point seven eight.
But it was a lead at the tape by Thompson. Visually,
we think he got it. They're working on the photo
Fred Charley pushed him all the way.

Speaker 10 (01:52:28):
NBC Television on the call, they did not think Noah
Lyles got it. They thought the Jamaican runner got it.
But Noah Lyles wins it in eight what is it?
Fifth of a one thousand and seconds? Like ridiculous, Like
just absolutely ridiculous. The first American to winkled in the
one hundred meters sprint since two thousand and four. Now
in baseball, the Yankees did tie the game at home

(01:52:50):
against the Blue Jays is three three. They're on a
rain delay. In the bottom of the eighth inning. The
Diamondbacks are still on top of the Pirates. Is officially over.
Six ' five was the final score. The false Skeins
out of the game and the Diamondbacks.

Speaker 9 (01:53:01):
Took the lead.

Speaker 10 (01:53:02):
The Orioles are beating the Guardians nine to five. Top
of the ninth inning. The Twins are still on top
of the White Sox. As you mentioned, nineteen in a
row four at the Chicago Who that's how many they've lost.

Speaker 9 (01:53:12):
Eight five is the score.

Speaker 10 (01:53:13):
Bottom up the seventh inning in Minnesota, the Ras are
beating the Astros one zero. It's over. They have beat
the Astros one zero. The Red Sox up on the
Rangers six to two. Bottom up the seventh, the Dodgers
and the As are tied at to a piece in Oakland.
Bottom of the second Mets up on the Angels one zero.

Speaker 9 (01:53:27):
The Phillies.

Speaker 10 (01:53:28):
They've lost six in a row, but right now they're
beating the Mariners one zero thanks to Kyle Schwarber with
the lead off shot. The Giants officially beat the Reds
eight to two, and the Marlins all over. The Brave
seven zero Nationals edged the Brewers four to three. The
Royals came back to beat the Tigers three to two.

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(01:54:49):
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do every Sunday here on Fox Sports Radio. As I
mentioned earlier, a couple of weeks, we're going to get
ready for some Red Zone radio when things really step

(01:55:13):
up a notch. You know, I was talking to Chris
here during the break. He is on his second energy
drink of the day and I told him, and you
know this about me, Rich, I can't drink any of
that stuff. Oh, Like, I'm a very naturally wired guy.
I just run hot. Rich on the other hand, puts

(01:55:37):
fuel in his body. Wow. And I just want to
make a little acknowledgment. I don't want to get into
all the details, but my dear friend rich Ornberger is
about to embark on one of the greatest Well of
greatest is the wrong word. One of the busiest football
schedules of any media member that I've ever known. And

(01:56:01):
I've kept some pretty busy schedules Rich, as you know,
some pretty crazy where I've been questioned about my sanity
and I have to acknowledge, like, you've gone next level. Okay,
So I'm going to be there to support you throughout
this entire football season.

Speaker 14 (01:56:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:20):
It is, even by my standards, a level of sanity insanity,
But if anyone can do it, it's rich Ormberger. So
I wish you all the best this fall.

Speaker 1 (01:56:32):
I certainly appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:34):
Yeah, for anybody who's curious as to what he's talking about,
we debuted a new morning show in San Diego, and
so I'll be doing a classic rock show and a
sports show on two different stations mornings and Middays, and
then over the weekends. Obviously I work here Saturday mornings
and Sunday mornings on Fox Sports Radio Countdown to Kickoff

(01:56:56):
and then Red Zone Radio with Steve on Sundays. But
then also Saturdays I call football games for the San
Diego State Aztecs, and Sunday nights I work as a
sports analyst for NBC seven in San Diego covering the NFL.
So it should kill me, and if it does, it's
been a successful journey.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
I mean, like I said, you are a man that
enjoys a cup of coffee once in a while every hour,
energy drinks or whatever. I mean, do you feel like
you have to pace yourself with that kind of schedule?
I mean, by the way, also adding to this, as
you mentioned your you could be on the road half
the season obviously with San Diego State football, and then

(01:57:41):
you travel from San Diego to Los Angeles. So we
sit side by side for Red Zone Radio. It's just
a little easier for us to navigate, you know, ten
games simultaneously when we're sitting next to each other. And
then you go back to San Diego, do your TV stuff.
So does this affect your intake of energy drinks?

Speaker 1 (01:58:00):
Yeah? You could.

Speaker 3 (01:58:00):
You could argue that energy drinks and coffee and just
anything caffeine based is going to be near or around
me at all times.

Speaker 4 (01:58:11):
They Rich's favorite energy drink the brand?

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
Then, Oh wow, I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:58:15):
Because like it's it's I would love to say for
me it's Red Bull, but obviously red Bull is like
the most expensive one.

Speaker 4 (01:58:21):
But I'm sucking down these full throttles right now.

Speaker 6 (01:58:24):
So you know what though, honestly, Rich doesn't sound busy
enough to me, So I think we need to start
like a CFL podcast or something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Yeah, let's do a podcast, maybe YouTube channel, and.

Speaker 4 (01:58:36):
How about watching some tape on O line guys.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:58:40):
Somebody recently asked me if I could help them with something,
and I was like, gosh, I was like, that is
uh I I just don't know if I could find
any time.

Speaker 1 (01:58:50):
They're like, well, listen, it is just one hour of.

Speaker 3 (01:58:54):
Work a week and there, and and I was like, well,
let me just tell you the reason why I'm saying that.
And I just rolled out the same list of things
responsibilities and they're like, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Yeah, no, you you have zero time never mind. Oh
that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:59:07):
And he has a kindergartener now and a third grader. Go, yeah, yeah,
so they don't require any attention.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
No, no, they've been self sufficient.

Speaker 16 (01:59:16):
I mean they just don't even They wake up, they shave,
they take themselves to school, and it's been easy. Yeah, yeah, no,
it's it's a good life.

Speaker 3 (01:59:27):
And trust me, I had two parents who worked around
the clock grown up, and they they didn't have nearly
as much fun as I get to have, especially during
the fall.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
I am so looking forward to the football.

Speaker 2 (01:59:39):
Oh you know, and obviously our focus on Sundays is
NFL football. But to me, this college football season, which
we're turning into a completely different page than we've ever
seen in the history of college football. Oh dude, I
mean with the you know, the expansion of the Big
Ten Conference, the complete dismantling of the PAC twelve, Oklahoma

(01:59:59):
Texas going into the SEC. By the way, they were
showing Katie Ladecai, who won the gold medal again she
went to Stanford. ACC is running her picture because Stanford's
in the ACC right now. They're like the pride of
the ACC. Katie Ladeci of Stanford. I'm like, wow, Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:00:20):
It's a whole new world, believe.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
So it's it's gonna be great, all right. Well, we'll
have more football to get to next week, obviously, rich,
but pace yourself. That's all I can say, my friend,
pay yourself because we had a long way to go.
We got a lot coming up here. Just stay here.
This is Fox Sports Radio.