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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio living the dream
once again here on a fully loaded Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Fox Sports Saturday, and we're broadcasting live from
the Fox Sports Radio studios. Strange day in this respect.
We don't have an NBA playoff game today. In other words,
clear room for the WNBA. That's what it was all
about today. Kaitlin Clark, Ain'tel Reese. Things getting to look

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heated out there. Back off NBA and give the w
NBA's due as they open.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Up their season.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
I don't know if it was exactly scheduled like that,
but it's it seemed to be, as Bob Ross will say,
a happy little accident.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
It was a happy accident, and there was some near
fisticuffs in that WA match.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Not an accident that felt I'm gonna go ahead and say
it was on purpose.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Okay, So let's let's review if you missed this, oh
by the way, by the way, it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
How you know a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Say that the emergence of Kaitlyn Clark a year ago,
uh raised the stature of the w n B A.
In my opinion, it literally created the w n B A.
I know that's a little overstated, but slightly but in
some ways. How many people even knew the w NBA

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existed before Caitlin Clark came into the I'm not your.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Target audience, Steve.

Speaker 4 (01:32):
I'm literally wearing a sweatshirt right now that says everyone
watches women's sports. Okay, well, that's okay, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
The fact is not everyone does watch women.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
I understand that, but the whole point mainly, I have
watched the w n B A honestly religiously since COVID
because it was the first sport back ever since. So
I'm just not your target audience here. So like the
idea that Kaitlyn Clark, No, Kaitlin Clark went into the
w NBA, Sure, okay, no, I'm you.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
And not go into the w n B A.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
You know, he created a spotlight for the w NBA
that never existed before.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
You have to acknowledge.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
That there are more eyes on the league than ever
because of people like you.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Sure, okay, well I am not look at I also
have followed the w NBA from the beginning, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
I remember when.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Cynthia Cooper was the very first start coming out of
USC in the w NBA. So I know my w
NBA history, and I appreciate the history of women's sports
across the board.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
But for an.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Overwhelming number of people, I don't even dare say a
majority of people that tune into their first w NBA
game last season, it was solely because of the presence.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Of Kate Clark the A in her games.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Would I would off the charge, I know all of that. Yeah,
they had to play in bigger arenas, I get it.
I would say that the the rivalry between the IOWA
and l s U from the there that that first
that excuse me, their junior years in college, and the
build up of that right, the build up of and
then going into the next tournament the following year them

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going after each other again, and then the political situation
that it became when Joe Biden was like, well, we
should invite Iowa to the White House and so on
and so forth, the w NBA changed from just a
conversation about basketball to a conversation about a lot. But
it's to your point of is the league at a
higher statue than it was last two years ago?

Speaker 3 (03:36):
I can't disagree with that.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Well, I know there are people listening right now saying, really,
you're going to open the show of the WNBA, and
the answer is yes because of what happened in the
game today was an absolute blowout for Caitlyn Clark over
the hapless Chicago team featuring Angel Reese. But it was
a play in which Angel Reese, who is not a
great shooter, she's around the basket team very different players.

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Caitlyn Clark is a perimeter player. Angel Reese is a
ford She's going to get a ton of rebounds. Led
the league in rebounds seventeen today. That's her game. So
she was, you know, heading to the hoop, you know,
trying to get a shot off.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
And I mean it was a hatchet job.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
It was a big time hatchet job by Caitlin Clark,
hammering on her arms down to the floor. I thought
Angel Rees was exaggerating a little bit. I mean, that's
that's a big girl. She's not going to go down
that easily from a hack across the yards. But you know,
but then she jumped up because Caitlyn Clark turned her
back and started to walk away from her, and Angel

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Rees had to be restrained.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
There was like I sat and watched a bunch because
I was, you know, covering the game as the anchor,
so I watched AE.

Speaker 3 (04:46):
So Caitlyn swiped down, right, Angel kind of goes down.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
If you look from the basket angle, you could see that,
all right, Maybe Angel sold a little bit. There also
was a little bit of a of a chicken wing
out from Caitlyn pushing her a little bit. But either way,
I'm not here to judicate either one. A side of that,
there was a moment that Caitlyn looks at her on
the ground and Angel is getting up, and then she
turns her back.

Speaker 3 (05:07):
There was a hold me back type of moment. I
don't know how much seemed too orchestrated for you.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
I mean, the fact that literally Caitlin Clark turned her
back almost immediately and just started walking away from her.
Is that is that even more disrespectful than getting in
Angel Reese's fight?

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Honestly, there was a beat at which she's looking at
Angel Reese on the ground and.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Looking at her because Angel Reese was down on the ground.
I don't know their eye contact there.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
Because the way that she got thrown down, the way
that Angel Reese hit the ground right for whether you
want to say she flopped or was thrown or however,
it kind of was in like one hundred and eighty
degree rotation, So she landed like she's going up for
a layup and lands on her butt right, So then
she's looking sitting at him, sitting on the ground looking
at you know, Kyle's.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Very look, here's either here's the bottom.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Always definitely a moment in which you saw, like, I mean,
it was called a flagrant one and it should have.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Been in That is the only highlight they're going to
show across the country from this game.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
It also was a six I mean, a thirty point
blow up.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
It was an absolute blowout, and Caitlin Clark put up
her usual big numbers and everything. Did she end up
with a triple double? Did she gets to the ten rebounds?
She did, all right, So she had a triple double today.
It was like fifteen sixteen assist along with the points ten.
But that that gave the WNBA something that people watch.
It's like, oh, oh okay, I'm going to see a

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little more of that, you know, that kind of riff.
So you know, these are the two most recognized players
in the league, even if they're not necessarily the best
players in the league. But when you talk about recognizable
Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees, are they not? The Q
ratings and the Q ratings for the general public for

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these two women are far exceeding any other women in
the WNBA.

Speaker 3 (06:59):
And it's no, not the other women's game.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
It's just that we're drawn to this rivalry and have,
as you said, back to their juniors in college. So
it was a game that served well for the WNBA
to their season, because that was my question going into
this year with the WNBA. I understand the hype a
year ago because remember Caylen Clark literally had to go
right from her college season into the WNBA season. The

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fact that she struggled early last year I thought was
a fatigue factor and then she heated up as the
season went on. She's fully rested right now and she
looked like an MVP today. But this is what you need.
You get the spotlight for a day, give me something,
give me something that people are going to talk about.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
And that's what we got. The hack on the arms.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
The disrespectful walk away, Angel Rees having to be restrained,
that's what we want from the WNBA.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what the
postgame comments are from both sides. Because Holly Road did
ask Kaitlin going to that was at the third quarter
break or going into half or whatever. But Caitlyn, in
a very Caitlin way, I say, she does this a lot.
She won't necessarily call somebody out or shout at somebody,

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but she was like to in her response to what
was your view of that play she was asked, she goes, oh,
we know it was just a good take foul. Every
good basketball player knows that, Like everybody knows that, to
the point where it's like insinuating, at least I read
my read of it is insinuating that if in some
reason you had a problem with it, it's because of you,
thing right like Whereas to me, you know, I didn't

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think anything. To me, if somebody hit you across the
arms like that, you have cartent bloascher go ahad say,
I didn't like that very much.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
In some ways, she is beginning to mimic what Larry
Bird was in the NBA. We didn't know the extent
of Bird's trash talking until years after he was out
of the NBA, and then all of a sudden we
found out that this guy was the ultimate trash talker.
He was doing things out there leading second exactly one

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of those, like you know, they would put someone on
him to guard him, and he would look at their
opposing bench like, really, you know, I'm gonna put forty
on this guy. You better come up with something better
than this. This guy was the ultimate trash talker. But
we didn't hear all of that when Larry Bird was playing.
You know, we knew he was a tense guy and
everything else.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
So it's interesting, Steve, because with Kaitlyn Clark, I do
believe she's an instigator and that it's a negative tone,
but like just somebody who you know, likes to get
out there and mix it up. And ironically enough, I
think it gets kind of glossed over because of all
the other type of conversations surrounding her and the player
that she's compared to the most in the NBA, Steph Curry.
I think it's the exact same way. Steph Curry definitely

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talks his trash and does his dances at night night
and so on, but you would never hear anybody.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Talking about it.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Now he's due angelic, you know that kind of thing,
you know, the whole Steph Curry. Look, look, I think
for Caitlin Clark, the gloves are off this year. I
think in some respect a year ago, you know, she
sort of had to eat her way into the WNBA.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
We know what she was.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Getting a lot of pushback about how how much impact
she was having on the league. My guess this year
is the gloves are off because I'll put it this way,
the WNBA needs her way more than she needs a
WNBA way more.

Speaker 5 (10:16):
So.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
I think that we are going to see, like when people.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
Say that play in Europe, that's where they make their money,
all these are to.

Speaker 4 (10:24):
Go over to the players. Who's the last great American
right now in Europe? That you've heard that you know
what she's doing?

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Well, I mean, it depends on what you're doing. It's
as far as making money. That's why they play overseas.
All of the great players have played overseas to earn money.
They're not earning money in the WNBA.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
I get that.

Speaker 4 (10:41):
But if you were talking about the whole face of
the league and being a cultural icon and so on
and so forth, it ain't happen.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
And if she plays for c CSK Moscow, I'm not
so sure.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
I think that Caitlin Clark's star power goes way beyond
the WNBA. I don't think she needs the WNBA tag
to be the most recognizable female basketball player in the world.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
He's way beyond that now, isn't she.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
I mean, come on a minute, I don't I'm saying
the most recognizable female basketball player in the world is
not necessarily a tall bar to clear. I don't know,
to be disrespectful, Okay, Like I'm not saying, like if
Kevil the Clark walked into Mall Shore, I get you.
But if if she wasn't in the WNBA and had
the exact same college career that she had had but

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for some reason was playing overseas, we would not be
abreast of what's going on with her right now.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
All right, So the games in the books, big win
for Caitlin Clark and her Indiana team as they wipe
out Chicago in the opening day of the WNBA. All right,
So we got a lot of ground together. We're going
to get into the NBA playoffs. Obviously, three series are down.
We got a game seven tomorrow between OKC and Denver.
But coming up on the other side, we're going to
get into some NFL talk.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
The schedules are out.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Making predictions at this point of the year is a
little ridiculous, but we do have some stories, including the
future of brock Perty and the San Francisco forty nine ers.
We're gonna break it down with our NFL insider Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 3 (12:49):
We got a lot of NFL news to get to.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Joining us right now, of course, is the great Adam Kaplan,
and Adam, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
Lay it out for you.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
So you have a quarter who is coming off a
losing season, who had a seventeen point drop in passer
rating from the previous year, and you're going to reward
him with a deal that will pay him more in
one week that he made total in salary over the
first three years of his NFL career. Have the forty

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nine ers made a wise investment in brock Purty?

Speaker 8 (13:27):
I see if I answered like this, John Lynch, the
general manager, and Kyle Shanahan, the head coach, they're betting
on prock perty. I mean, this is their guy. We
know how bad the Trey Lance situation went up being
that was a total miss, and then they lucked out
with brock Perdy. They obviously have done a very good
job of developing. Now you might look at it and say, boy,
he's been.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
Hurt a lot.

Speaker 8 (13:47):
He wasn't good enough last year. He was six to
nine as a starting quarterback. Why don't you make him?

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Wait?

Speaker 8 (13:53):
They decided, as I was told back in February, they
were not going to do a bridge deal. Because I
asked someone who would know, I'm like, why don't you
guys just take like a short term deal, because look,
he's not come off a good season, why reward him?

Speaker 6 (14:06):
And they go, no, We're all in this guy. He
is our guy.

Speaker 8 (14:08):
We're not going to draft, We're not going to address
the position for the future. He's our guy and they've
just done that at fifty three million a year. Yeah,
he's he's their guy. Now, I'm just going to tell
you the way it's going to be over the next
three years, how Brock Barty plays, we'll just will ultimately
decide with Kyle Shanahan's going to be here a long
time because that that's that's his guy. Like they are,

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they're literally betting that he is going to be that
superstar quarterback. I don't see it, but it's all about
what Kyle thinks. And Kyle has a big say. He
actually has personal control. He doesn't deal with contracts, but
it's his. It's really in the end, his decision to.

Speaker 6 (14:43):
Make this happen. Uh.

Speaker 4 (14:45):
Speaking of decisions, Caleb Williams, it seems was trying to
make a different decision. Harley's trying to get some more
options from this excerpt from step with Wickersham's book from
his Draft Process. From Caleb Williams' draft process, But it's
seems as if the Bears knew this was coming, as
you saw Ben Johnson doing the rounds, doing several interviews yesterday.

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What's the fallout from these quotes Caleb Williams, While he
didn't nuke the city on draft and did he nuke
it yesterday?

Speaker 8 (15:12):
I don't think so here's the truth of it. So
Caleb Williams's dad, this is a really interesting story.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
So leading up to the.

Speaker 8 (15:20):
Draft last year when Cable's taking number one, talked a
lot of agents who were recruiting Caleb, and you had
to go through his father. I think his father's name
was Carl and he ran point for everything.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
It all went through.

Speaker 8 (15:31):
Him, and he made he had a lot of demands,
a lot of things that he wanted, and it actually
became sort of fiasco. It was kind of this I'm
I talk some prominent agents who really wanted to represent
Caid Williams. They just actually backed out. They didn't even
go to be told they weren't going to get him.
They just said, you know, I don't want to deal
with this. So and they knew that the father was
demanding a lot.

Speaker 6 (15:53):
And then you have.

Speaker 8 (15:54):
Fast forwarding Seth Workersham's story and there was an excerpt
from his upcoming book on hees dot com this week,
and they want to try to circumvent the draft. Well, folks,
first of all, it's collectively bargained, so you can't do that.
All you could do is try to do what other
players have done. You go back to Eli Manning John Elway,
just tell him, look, I'm not going to play for you. Now,
you could draft me, but I'm not going to play

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for you. Like John Elway threatened to go to the Yankees.
It was a great story by the way Eli Manning
and obviously led by his father and the agent told
the Chargers were not playing for you. Now, they could
have drafted him and not traded him, but he went
to the Giants. So you could do that, but it
never happened. And clearly, Ryan Poles, I give the guy credit.

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He knew about he knew about some of the stuff,
and he's like, we're going to draft him, and they
did that.

Speaker 6 (16:41):
Now affording this to Ben.

Speaker 8 (16:43):
Johnson, Ben Johnson is a guy that's got a very
strong personality. Okay, And this is not a shot at
Shane Waldron. In terms of coaching, Shane Wald's are pretty
good coach. He was the offense quarter in the last year,
got fired in season. Shane Waldron does not coach Art
He's a really soft spoken guy, really nice guy, very smart.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
But Caleb Williams needs disciplined. This is what I was
told by multiple people.

Speaker 8 (17:08):
And Ben Johnson coach is hard and he'll get in
your face like he's just that type of coach. Now,
let's see how this relationship goes. This is going to
be fun. This is get your popcorn ready situation. I'm
hoping to make it to their training camp this summer.
I wasn't going to go, but based on what I've
known about Ben Johnson and now a little bit more
and more about Kaleb Williams, you know, this could be fun.

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And I'll tell you what. There are a lot of expectations, guys.
They've rebuilt their offensive line there the interior, their offensive
line both guard the center. A brand new that Luther
burn was is a good receiver. They drafted the second round.
They shocked everyone, drafted the tight end in Colston Lovelan
in the first round. The expectations, guys that they throw
it back to you are sky high for this offense.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I just can't give up on Aaron Rodgers. All right,
So here we go. Here's the latest from what I
st in. So there are some reports that there's a
backup plan for the Steamers, uh, Tyler Huntley apparently on
the radar. I don't know what that does for them,
but I mean just I mean that's not Aaron Rodgers obviously,
and just adds so yeah, but then you then you

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get Lafloor Matt Lafore out there saying that he fully
expects that, indeed Aaron Rodgers will be a Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I can't see him not playing this year.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Matt Floor went on a podcast and blurted it out.
He expects it to happen very soon, very soon, the
announcement that Aaron Rodgers will sign with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
So here we are. We've gone through the draft.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
You know, you still have you know, many camps coming
up down the road. I mean there, you know, there's
there's time for him to get acquainted to Steeler teammates
if that's the direction he's going. Some people, including myself,
have thrown out why not New Orleans, I mean Saints
or maybe in a better division, win a bull division
than the NFC AFC North would be. But what is
your gut feeling this week? What's neck for Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 8 (19:02):
I'm not him number one, number two. He'll be a
Steeler if he wants to be a Steelers. There's really
nothing else to add. It's the same as it was
two months ago. They won him. They've not backed off.
I've talked to them almost every week. They're waiting for him.
I'm a little surprised that they've taken the stance, but
they know that he's dealing with a personal issue.

Speaker 6 (19:17):
I don't know what it is. No one knows.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
It's not been reported, but Steve, they really do want
him now. I'm just going to tell you that if
they don't get him, and I know it's kind of ridiculous,
he's forty one and a half years old. But if
they don't get him, I don't care what they say
about Mason Rudolph and they did draft Will Howard. They're
not a playoff team.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
They're just not.

Speaker 6 (19:35):
Mason Rudoff played very well two years ago for them.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Are they a playoff team with Aaron Rodgers?

Speaker 6 (19:40):
Marginal? Marginal folks. He was hurt last year. Let's not forget.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Started all games.

Speaker 6 (19:47):
See if he played so poorly. I know he played
so poorly. He was so beat up physically he had
the MCL sprain in a hamstring strain. You can't.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
He's just he didn't have it.

Speaker 8 (19:58):
He just he looks so bad. You felt bad for him.
But they couldn't bench them. They weren't going anywhere. I
mean they weren't. They didn't have that developmental quarterback that
Zach Wilson was long gone. So but and by the way,
as I told you when you asked me the Church
pickenstrad it's nothing to do. That was independent. They wanted
him off the football team. So that's what happened there.

Speaker 4 (20:16):
Adam, I'm going back to Kayleb Williams in this excerpt
because it was it was huge to me. But uh,
this is one of those things that I wondered because
I've never didn't play NFL football and have spent very
little time in a locker room or preparing to play
an NFL game. Sure, so when I hear somebody say
something like I had to watch tape all by myself,

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and then I juxtaposed that with the Kyler Murray contract,
in which had ve that the clause is like you
need to watch.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
More tape by your helf. Is this like it feels
like it's a much real by the way, keep going,
you know what I'm saying, But it.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
Feels like the headline of that is much bigger. I look,
I'm not defending Matti Ebraflus in that organization and that
whole situation. That feels like there might be taking unnecessary
shots though are No.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Well here's the.

Speaker 8 (21:04):
Thing though with that, and and this is the problem
with that, the one insow I had with that being
put in there, Well, what's the context?

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Did it? Like, how did this come about?

Speaker 8 (21:13):
He just decided to watch film on his own and
not tell the coaches or did he did? He ask
and they said, hey, you know, we'll be with you
and then not show up. Like, there's just enough context
to that. If you're gonna put it in there, I
need to know everything because I know when I've done
it's not a hip piece. I thought that was very
well written what I read, and I'll probably wind up
reading the book. Seth is a I know Seth, he's
a really good writer, but I I just can't I

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need context when you when you put something out like that,
because I know the way it is. I talked to coach,
you know, I know a lot of coaches. I know
things are done.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
You just don't. You just don't not.

Speaker 8 (21:43):
You're not you're going to know if a guy's watching tape. Okay,
that's not. There's zero chance that it happened with without.

Speaker 6 (21:49):
The coaches knowing.

Speaker 8 (21:50):
And by the way, they would want even if he's
going to go on his own, they're gonna help. They're
gonna he's gonna be taught how to watch tape. Again,
I don't. We don't have any context to it. It's
just thrown in there without and maybe in the book, folks, okay,
because this is just an expert you're talking about Martin.
Maybe in the book there's three pages on it. Well, again,
we don't. If I don't have it from it, I

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can't really comment on it.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
All right, Just the final follow up on where Martin's
been going with this. I mean it gets down to
the anti trust laws. We know that in any other business,
the drafts that we see in major team sports are
frankly illegal, but they're protected by these anti trust laws.
Can you ever see a time where the United States

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government is going to say, you know what, these anti
trust laws do not apply to you the NFL, and
in essence would abolish the legality of a draft.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Do you ever see that time coming?

Speaker 5 (22:50):
No?

Speaker 8 (22:50):
Well, first of all, the draft's collectively bargain. I mean,
they've seems to be missed on people. That's definitely been bargained.
So I'm as far as it.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
But you could take legal recourse. I mean, if someone
wanted to soon.

Speaker 8 (23:00):
You could challenge it, but it's it's not gonna happen, Steve, though,
I just I find the whole thing comical. I've seen
a lot in my time twenty eight years of covering
this business, Steve. There's been some stuff over the years
that agents have tried to conspire with against clubs and
they and then they got caught and it never got out.

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And there's just been some funny stuff that's going on
with agents because they just don't agree with the draft system.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
But it's it's not going away.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
So to answer your question, well, let me let me
ask you this, and just followed, I'm playing with you,
but imagine this. Let's say, and we'll use Kleb Williams
as an example. All Right, So he's drafted number one
over with the Bears, and then he strikes a deal
with another team even though they didn't draft him. He says, no,
this is the team I want to play for, and
they jump out of the fire amongst all the thirty

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two teams said you know what, Yeah, we're going to
test it and we're gonna sign him even though we
didn't draft him and he's not our property.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
What do you think would happen? What would what would
the next way?

Speaker 6 (24:00):
Wait, so let's go back, So let's just say last year.

Speaker 8 (24:03):
Right, he's like, I'm not going to Chicago, I'm just
going to sit the draft out. Well remember it now,
you correct me? Now you should know this because you're
with the Raiders. Then, yeah, so remind me now with
Bo Jackson, right, Bo Jackson was help the property of Tampa.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
So he was the number one overall pick in the
nineteen eighty six draft by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, so
technically they owned his draft rights for the entire year
until the first big of the eighty seven draft happened. Right,
he had already said no, he was playing major league baseball,
But once that happened, once the nineteen eighty seven draft started,

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he was back on the list.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
If anybody wanted to.

Speaker 6 (24:40):
That's that's why.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
When that's what happened, then we.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
I'll say that because that's when I was with the
LA Raiders. Drafted him in the seventh round.

Speaker 8 (24:48):
And that's all he can do to answer your question
that that's why I brought it up.

Speaker 6 (24:51):
If I was what you just said is what I thought.
But you're there, he.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Could sit it out. But I mean in the NBA side,
remember this about Larry Bird. Larry Bird was the sixth
overall pick the year before he actually started with the Celtics.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
They took a flyer on him.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
He decided to come back for one more year at
Indiana State, and they held his draft rights until the
next drafts started, and rd Auerbach was able to get
him into a deal before the next draft actually started.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Otherwise Lrie Bird would have gone back in the drafts.

Speaker 8 (25:23):
Which is absolutely insane. I do remember that. I'm willough
to remember that.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
That, Steve. It's a great subject. Caleb boy And by
the way, Caleb Williams made it.

Speaker 8 (25:33):
Pretty clear he's happy to be there because Ben Johnson
is the head coach in the play caller. But I'm
telling you, Ben Johnson is voltil I mean to move
to be honestly, that's what I really meant.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
That's come for people to.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
Work with him.

Speaker 8 (25:44):
He just had he'll get after it like he that's
the coaching term he could if he's if he's not
happy with you, you're going to know it. And I
I because Caleb Williams has a way of playing that's reckless.
He doesn't always play with instructure, and but he's super talented.
I'm very interesting see how this relationship is going to work.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, I'm not putting a lot of money down on
the Bears this year.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I'm sort of a week over well, especially in that division.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Now, you know it's going to be rough. All right,
great stuff as always, Adam, I check in with you
next week.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
There's Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio insider. Well, let's
find out what's trending right now. The man that opened
up that conversation sitting in two seats today, the great
Martin Weiss.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
I love that. Sorry, same seat, two jobs. It'd be
a lot to like switch.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
No, you know, I actually see you. You're in the
same seat technically, but I see you adjust your seat
differently when you're doing you know what's trending as opposed
to well, it's.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Because I'm not just thinking, I'm reading. I'm not trying
to conceptualize a take. Yes, you know, I'm just delivering
the news.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (26:54):
The Indiana Fever beat the Chicago Sky today as a
w NBA tip off weekend and continues ninety three to
fifty the eighth. The final score. Caitlyn Clark led all
scores with twenty. She on six for thirteen from the
floor in thirty two minutes of faction. Angel Reese had
a twelve point seventeen rebound double double. Clark was whistled
for a flagrant one as Reese attempted a layup and

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Caitlyn fouled her across the arms center to the floor
again flagrant one. After the game, just some context, Steve,
there you go, Angel Rees said, basketball play ref got
it right, Let's move on. Kate Len Clark also wanted
to move on, but in this shocking turn of events,
did not agree with the upgrade to the flagrant one.
So pretty much as you would expected out of both

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sides from the postgame.

Speaker 3 (27:40):
From the post game, now I know you.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Earlier today they said that Kate Len Clark started the WNBA.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Believe it or not.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
There are two other teams that played today, the Liberty
and the Aces. Back to the defending championship.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
Actually, didn't they play yesterday? Didn't the Sparks play yesterday?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
The Sparks played yesterday.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
But the Plumb had what she had thirty against the
Golden State Valkyries. Maybe katele Clark and say she started
that team because that team did not exist.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
TI if you want to break down Kelsey Plumb, I'll
go all day.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
See that was the most in any season opener by
any WNBA player Asan Wilson at thirty one today, brown
A Stewart twenty five, Brock Purdy got a lot richer
five years twenty six, and I'm sorry two hundred and
sixty five there. That's how you read that number. Million
dollar deal one hundred and eighty one million guaranteed that
Baltimore Orioles fired their manager, Brandon Hyde. They are fifteen

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and twenty nine. They lost today to the Nationals. The
Mets beat the Yankees three to two. Francisco Lindor with
a sackfly at the top of the ninth inning. Blue
Jays walk off the Tigers two to one. Oh, you
know what I gave. Baltimore lost too early. I'm sorry.
It's seven to two in the bottom of the ninth
inning with one out and one on, so.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
No clock, pitching clock. But that's the thing about baseball.
You can have miracle comeback.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
She can't.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You know, you can't win an NBA game when you're
down twenty with ten seconds left.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Game's over. You know you think so.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
But the way that the Knicks ran last night, they
kept it brunted and cat and all those guys out
there for pudible.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Save that for a second, because they got to remind
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We're going to check in with our NBA insider Mark
Medena coming up in the next hour, so I was
sitting here three weeks ago with Olden Polonies, and we
are looking ahead to the second round of the NBA playoffs,

(29:58):
and I asked them about the Knicks Celtics series, and
without hesitation.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Olden says, I like the Knicks in the series. I
was taken back.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
I go give me some reasons here, and he says, I,
you know again, the Celtics are a live and die
by the three point shot, and the Knicks are a
better than average defensive team, and they have a guy
that was voted the clutch Player of the Year, and
obviously they got a big that made a big difference,
and and by the way, a trade that benefited both teams.

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Wouldn't it be ironic if the Knicks ended up against
the Minnesota Timberwolves in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
It's a very real possibility. Sure, But now that we are.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Where we are, you remember, you remember how we were
talking about this Martin before the NBA playoffs began.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
He had the two one seeds Cleveland and OKC.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
And you're like that that would not be a match
up the NBA Final once. Okay, let's let's face it,
Cleveland and OKC.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
Is not the kind of man, they're they're looking Celtics
Lakers and you and you mean that in term of
the market sizes.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Market size exactly, you know, and people you know cure it.
And then I'm like, you want a worst matchup than that?
Try Indiana, Minnesota, Try Pacers, t wells. Now, I'm not
talking about from a basketball perspective.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
You and I would sit there and say that there's
a lot to like.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
In fact, these two teams probably play the best basketball
so far in this postseason. And both these teams were
in the conference finals a year ago, so it's not
like they came out of nowhere. They're exactly where they
were a year ago. But you know, for the outsider
looking in, not exactly a marquee matchup Indiana and Minnesota.
But now with the Knicks, who've had two trips to

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the NBA Finals since winning their last championship in nineteen
seventy three, there was ninety four chorus the famous seven
games showdown the Bronco Chase Finals that we remember with
the OJ Bronco Chase at interrupted the NBA Finals matchup
when the Knicks lost to Houston and seven, and then
of course ninety nine, which is the asterisk fifty game

(31:59):
season when they got blown out by the San Antono Spirts.
That's it for the Knicks in terms of a trip.
So how much do you think the NBA office is
pray right now that the New York Knicks can get
past the Pacers and be there in the NBA Finals.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
See I generally I hear what you're saying in terms
of the ratings and so on, right, but I just
think it's such a defeatist conversation. If I'm the league,
if I'm the league, honestly, what I do want, I
want Minnesota and Indiana in part because what we need

(32:35):
at this point in the NBA we need more main characters,
the main characters of the league. Like if you consider
the NBA like a movie or a play, right, all
the lead stars are over thirty five. We need players
that are gonna come in and take the mantle. That's
the Anthony Edwards of the world. That's the Tyrees Halliburtons

(32:56):
of the world. Jason Tatum and I know, you know,
obviously with his achilles injuries a little bit different, but
he won that title and it doesn't have necessary He
did not have the resonance that even a guy like
Tyrese Halliburton overrate that. Right, he keeps talking, he keeps having,
like his play and his attitude to me is a

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type that will rise through and cut through basically mark
things like market size.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
And the reason I say that is like, if.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
You look at the NFL, the Giants terrible, right, have
been terrible for the last fifteen years, doesn't matter. You
look at Buffalo play Baltimore. Everybody's into it. Why is
everyone into it? It's not because Buffalo has great wings
and Baltimore has a beautiful harbor, right, is because they
have two main character, top of the line stars at

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big positions.

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
We were there when Giannis won his championship, right, We
were saying, Okay, this guy's been an MVP a couple
of times, and all of a sudden he wins the championship.
Then we had the same situation with the Okich he
had won a couple MVPs, wins a championship.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Did that raise the Did that help the league?

Speaker 2 (34:03):
At Giannis finally win a championship in Milwaukee or Yoki
wins a championship in Denver, I dare say not.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
If the niggas want to.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Win a championship or to do that would be the
personality of those guys.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Then you're the NBA. You the market size is critical.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
The NBA needs the Lakers to be relevant, They need
the Celtics to be relevant, and if they can make
the Knicks relevant. This has been the most mishandled franchise
in the NBA over the last twenty years, and all
of a sudden, the cards are falling their way and
they got a great opportunity to win a championship. You
know how big it would be for the NBA if
the New York Knicks won their first championship since Nixon

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was president.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
I know, I still stand they need a charismatic star.
Jalen Brunson, as great as he is, is not making anybody.
Even last night at the during the postgame press conference,
Lisa assaulters, Jalen, you guys are going to the conference finals.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
You have a really excited to get it. We're gonna right.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Thing, Anthony Dress, is that when we are we saying
this about do you agree with me when we say
it's got to be an American player.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I thinks it's not necessarily has.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
To be an American player. I think Luka Donci has
had the potential. I think because of the way he plays.
That's what I think it is. It's the way. It's
the style of play. On top of the attitude. Gianni's
is too brute force. Jokis doesn't have the attitude right.
Jokis doesn't have any care to do it. Like if
Yokis even cared a little bit outside of what actually

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happens on the ninety four feet it'd be him.

Speaker 3 (35:35):
He just doesn't have the interest in it. I think
it has to be an American. I'll go back to tennis.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
The Williams sisters were bigger stars in this country than
Federer and Nadal and Djokovic because they were American. I
don't think they're in my opinion, the Williams sisters were
bigger stars than the top three players arguably in the
history of men's tennis in this country I'm not talking
about worldwide in this country because of their American heritage.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
I think we like American born players to do well.

Speaker 4 (36:06):
I agree with that, and I agree with that premise,
but I think there's a lot more to see the
story of Serena and Venus also because not only are
the American, but how many Black Americans at that point
in time.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
We're blazing up the charts in that way. So there's's
a lot of layers.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
But I think again, their American heritage made them even
that much more popular than the three most dominant men
in men's tennis history. Off of the tennis because on
the other side, well, we got this BGA Championship going
on right now. I would like to get a little
bit into the relevance here. By the way, Scotty Scheffler
has taken the league. There's another great guy to talk about, right,

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Does he have star power? His dominance in his sport
actually translate into eyeballs.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
We'll break it down for you. This is spot a
Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio, Harvin and Weiss.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Here Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
We are live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. All right, Martin,
So right now, Scotty Scheffler has a one shot lead
heading into the final couple holes here the third round
of the PGA Championship.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
Here's a staff for you.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Since they created the World Golf rankings going back to
the mid nineteen eighties, only one golfer Tiger Woods twice
has held on to the number one ranking for more
consecutive weeks than Scotty Scheffler has going on right now.
So again it comes down to style versus substance. Some

(37:39):
have both, you know, Jordan had both, Tiger had both.
You know, that's when you get that rarefied air kayln
Clark style plus substance, and then all of a sudden
you're going into the mega universe. But can a guy
like Scotti Scheffer the way he plays the game technically
as sound as any golfer that has ever played. Some
of his technical stats from a year ago, we're literally

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at the level that Tiger was at the peak of
his career. If this guy goes on to win this
PGA and when starts winning maybe a major every year,
starts piling them up because of his demeanor where he
carries himself. Could Scotty Scheffler ever be a true star

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coming out of the game of golf?

Speaker 3 (38:22):
I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Like I think like a star, I'll say, you say,
coming out of the game of golf.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
I think he's already a start in. Can his stardom
transcend golf? That is what I'm asking No, not unless
he starts dating, Like, I don't know Taylor Swift.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
He's married, got a kid, He's a very middle of
the road guy.

Speaker 3 (38:41):
Yeah, I don't see.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Even if this guy rattles off ten majors like, it's
not going to be enough.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
He'll be remembered as one of the best golfers of
all time for sure. But in my opinion, in order
to transcend your you know, your profession, it's got to
be about your personality. It's got to be a because
people like, if you're not watching golf already, you don't
know who Scotty Scheffler is. You got to find out
who Scotty Scheffler is some other type of way, and

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then you do, then you tune in to watch the
great news. Do Shambo have that he's got the potential?
Like now you rip off of those wins with his
YouTube person on social media stuff.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Yeah? Sure. And he's very conscious of the crowd.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
I'm not saying that Scotty isn't, but you see the
Shambo taking that extra time.

Speaker 3 (39:25):
He understands the crowd and everything else. Yeah, you know
what I'm saying. I think that's a lot of it.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
I think a lot of athletes when some athletes truly
understand that this is all entertainment, and you are one
of the A one, top of the line entertainers. And
some people just do it by do it with what
they do on the field and on the corridor and
the fairways and so on. Some do it everywhere.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's interesting about Rory McElroy because we're all on the
edge of our seat at that masters of what was
at stake and all the drama. He wins it, he loses,
he wins, he loses all the way to the finish line.
But now that he's done it, I just feel like
the airs out of the balloon.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
As far as interests with Roy McElroy, I mean, you
got to catch me at another moment like that. Yeah, exactly,
all right?

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Coming up on the next out, we got a lot
more NBA playoff news to get to.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
This is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
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Speaker 2 (40:20):
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Speaker 3 (40:24):
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Speaker 2 (40:25):
We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. We're
gonna break down more of these NBA playoffs and Mark Medena,
our NBA insider, coming up here in about twenty minutes.
As we will wait Game seven tomorrow between the Denver
Nuggets and the Oklahoma City Thunder. Speaking of that game, Martin,

(40:46):
I really don't have a feel for that game. I mean,
I've been pretty consistent in my defense of OKAC. I
think they are the deepest team. There's a reason they
won sixty eight games. But they haven't played great. They
haven't taken their game to the next level during this postseason.
I think just their talent alone has sort of gotten

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them here. I don't know about you, but I look
at this game tomorrow and I think it's a coin toss.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I would not be shocked if Denver comes away with
a victory on the road. Now, remember last year, of course,
Denver had that home game against Minnesota, Game seven, and
everyone expected the Nuggets to win that game.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
They were big in the second half.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Well, then then Minnesota had the big second half comeback
to advance to the conference finals. So I don't know,
you know, what happened to Denver last year could be
the reverse this year.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
I don't know. What do you think.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
I felt much more, much more better. Come on, Martin,
I have a master's degree. I felt a lot better
about Denver when Aaron Gordon's hamstring felt a lot better
to him. My concern with that disappointment to Denver Nuggets
playoff Steve. They say, you know, you play seven guys,
trust six or you play six guys trust five. The

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Nuggets are down to three and a half players, right,
and Michael Porter, Julia God blessed them.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
Of course one of them is Jokis.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
No, that's like multiple players, but like Michael Porter, Julia
God blessed them, can't hit the brass out of a.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Bar and he's out.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
He's like, if this was January, he'd be sitting. He
wouldn't be playing, you know. And if Julian straw The
doesn't come in in that game six and have those
eight to ten points at the end of the third
quarter when Jokis was on the bench, this thing's probably
over already. That being said, the thing with the thunder,

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they don't have a quality secondary score. If Shae is
not getting to the free throw line, that and that.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Is they do have another All Star.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
I said what I said, and I heard what you said,
but I said what I said.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
They don't have another option. If Shae is not getting
to the free throw line. That's so so many prerequisites
to be able to score.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
You know what I need If I'm the Nuggets need
Jamal Murray and nicolea Yaks have gas left in it
take in the fourth quarter. That's what I need to
be able to generate fourth quarter offense. If I'm Denver,
if I'm Okac is a little different, that's the thing
that gives me the cost for concern. Okay, she's the
better team, but that doesn't matter in this kind of
this one.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
Game now, a very curious decision by the NBA. So
we thought that the NBA Most Valuable Player was going
to be announced before Game five of this series between
the Nuggets and the Oklahoma City Thunder.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
It was a two to two series at that point.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Okase was at home and we know that Shay Gildess
Alexander is going to be named the league's MVP. It
seemed like the perfect spot, right, So you give the
award Den before the game, hometown crowd. It's all excited
and everything else, and really no harm done as far
as the game itself because it's a two to two series.
And then that came. The game came and went, and

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we're still waiting on the MVP. Now what are you
gonna give MVP game seven? And think about this, if
you were to parade out the MVP award, the commissioner
and everything else to present it before the game, to
shake Gildess Alexander, how much of a motivation is that
for the Nuggets and Yokich saying you got that one wrong,

(44:30):
We got the MVP over here.

Speaker 3 (44:33):
I don't think it would serve OKC.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
Well, and then if they decide, well, we're gonna wait
till what Oklahoma City loses game seven at home?

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Then what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (44:45):
You're gonna hand shake gildesss MVP in an empty room
after they've lost a seven game series. And the Denver
Nuggets what they should do, should have done is given
it before game five.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
It made sense. Well, you know what we're passed to.
Let's do it now? Oh do it now? Well to
do it? Oh right tomorrow, pre game set to stage.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Everybody knows that this is the MVP and the best
player in the league playing against each other.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
We all know it. Let's lean into it, build the fight.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
And you know what I'm saying, sga vers joke And
you know what, oh gosh, somebody's been saying it on
TV all week, but it was very similar to when
was it David Robinson won the MVP and Hakeem Elijah
wan up the floor with them in a Game seven.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
This is entertainment. People give the MVP that let's see
if you can live up to it. See.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Major League Baseball in some ways has always done it right.
All of these awards and the team sports are voted
on the last day of the regular season. And by
the way, I've never been one of those. Well they
should wait till aft of the playoffs. No, no, no, no,
You've got separate awards for the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
You got an NBA Finals MVP.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
I don't think that I should have any fluence influence
on a regular season award. These are regular season awards.
But in Major League Baseball they don't give out any
of these awards until the World Series is over. They
don't do it during the playoffs. And the NBA has
done that, and the NFL used to do that. Now
of course they have like the NFL Honors Show where

(46:21):
it's you know, it's right before the Super Bowl and
everything else, but baseball waits till after and then afterwards
you like, go, wow, that guy had a terrible postseason. Yeah,
but it's to disrupt sort of that postseason flow. We
always go back to when Dirk Novisky won his MVP
award and they went down in flames in the first
round of the playoffs, and it just it was very,

(46:41):
very awkward. Well, they could be facing another awkward if
they don't give it to Shay Gildess Alexander before tomorrow's
game and they lose.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
You missed the moment, face, You look stupid.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Well, it's it's an insult to the OKC fans because
their guy was the most viable player. He should be
able to celebrate that moment in front of his hometown fan.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
I get I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I'm telling you at this point you got a blessing
that this thing didn't end in six. Give it to
him pregame Game seven, do it on the court. I
want to see all of it. Like we gotta like,
how many more Game sevens are we going Not to
say how many more we gonna see, obviously the number
could be infinite, But like a series like this the
way it's been, especially with the storylines, young OKC team

(47:29):
with the MVP uh trying to break through, took their
lumps in this in this round last year with a
team in Yokics that is literally, like Jokic says, listen,
get in my back, get on the llbing in my back,
because we are going. I don't care how many people
I got with me. We're all going cause they they
fired the head coach and the GM Steve.

Speaker 3 (47:51):
He's in the huddle running time out.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
Steve, Like, dude, we haven't seen something like this before
an NBA.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
With discount Russell Westbrook. He's like in the mix, right,
they're coaching as well.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
I would sah. That's the other thing.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
How about good Russ ran out about Game three and
it's just been That's why I said it down to
like three and a half players, because Russ was playing
for him in the first ten games of the playoffs
and it's been like dangerous to play him at some
points in time through four, five, and six.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
If you're a Nuggets fan, The fact that Shay Gildis
will win the MVP over Jokis, despite the fact that
this has been statistically speaking, the best year of Jokich's
amazing career. Remember the only other time he didn't win
the MVP over the last five years, they went on
to win the championship, So that could be a good
omen if indeed they hand the MVP Award to shake

(48:42):
Gildess Alexander, this would be amazing if the Nuggets. Can
you imagine if the Nuggets ran the table from this
point on? I mean, maybe they get some healthy bodies back.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
That's what makes it very hard to imagine, is just
I just can't unless Julian's strawler turns into like a
thirty five a minute guy.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
So are you saying, let me ask you this, do
you believe the Minnesota Timberwolves, who basically blew through the
Lakers and blew through Golden State? Granted Steph Curry was out,
are they the team to beat in the West right now?
Regardless of who wins this game tomorrow, even with ok
sixty eight wins, have you seen more from Minnesota in

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this postseason than you have from ok SE?

Speaker 3 (49:26):
I have.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
The tough part about Minnesota is I feel like they
haven't played a really good, solid four quarters of basketball
in a row since the first round of the playoffs.
And part of it, I think you bank in that
Steph gets hurt, right, So when Steph gets hurt, It
not only obviously impacts the Warriors massively, but the Timberwolves

(49:51):
are preparing for a world with Steph Curry, and when
he's not there anymore, I think it changes their entire
playing defensively.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
That's sort of what happened to the Knicks, and after
you know, you ate and one down and then they underestimated.
The Celtics got blown out in that fourth exactly Boston.

Speaker 4 (50:06):
And I think it's a little bit of underestimation, but
also too players.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
People aren't where they're supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Like I grew up in Louisiana, and every time there'd
be a big flood, you really couldn't go outside for
a couple of days because all of the habitats, the snakes,
the animals, the alligators, whatever, they all are now effectively homeless.

Speaker 3 (50:23):
They have to find their new homes.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
You might end up with a stake in the garage,
an alligator in the backyard.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
That's what happens. You end up with Derek White with
thirty five points. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
It's part of the reason because Jason Tatum is not
in the lineup. You see Pat Spencer play twenty minutes
in a playoff game that was not part of the plan.
But to the point, at this point, Game one of
whoever Minnesota plays, is gonna show me a lot because
there's two reads of how this.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Thing has been going.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Anthony Edwards is being blanked terrible and the Timberwolves have
kept winning.

Speaker 3 (50:58):
Or Anthony Edwards has been.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Saving himself to an aspect, right, because this is the
round last year where he ran out of gas, right,
and it was very public, ran out of gas, talked
about running out of gas. It's Game one of this
year's gonna show me a lot because I think the
Timberwolves need to show why they're the most talent. I
think they have to show that they're serious enough to

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win this thing.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
All Right, We're gonna get another voice in here on
what's gonna go on with Game seven, Why the delay
on this NBA MVP and who will emerge out of
the East. Will it be the Pacers or the New
York Knicks. We'll break it down with our insider Mark Medina.
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Speaker 3 (51:42):
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(52:29):
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Speaker 3 (52:37):
We'll see what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
In the meantime, we get ready for a game seven
tomorrow and the NBA, and breaking it all down is
our NBA insider, the man that knows how to.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Break it down like no other, the great Mark Medina.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
So Mark, we look at this game seven tomorrow between
the Nuggets and OKC. And a little side note, why
have they not given out the MVP award? I mean,
it just seemed so logical that it should have been
before Game five because we know Shay Gildess Alexander is
going to win it. It would have been a nice thing.
It was a two to two series. You know, he

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gets the award before the game and then you go
on to play out the series. But if you if
you don't give it to him tomorrow and then Denver wins,
what are you gonna give it to him behind the
scenes instead of in front of the hometown fans. What
is the NBA thinking right now with holding back on
giving Shay Gildess Alexander's MVP award? Or are they going

(53:34):
to give it before Game seven tomorrow, which by the way,
would make a great motivator for Yokich and the Denver Nuggets.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
I see, If I'm with you, I think they should
give it out before Game seven because it could be
motivation for either side or both. But I think usually
what happens is they announced the regular season MVP Award
before the NBA Finals starts. But I always had a problem, Steve,
not just the NBA MVP award, but all the award
or instat it's a regular season award and they drag

(54:03):
it out for the postseason, and some fans and voters
get confused on what this all means. And so as
the pertain to the thunder and Nuggets, it's very weird
to have this coincide because before this whole series started,
even though Nakole yokich one MVP the thunder Work scene
as the prevailing favorite team. Same thing with Shake Gildis Alexander.

(54:25):
Now the context kind of changes because the playoffs have changed. So, Yeah,
a lot of things that Adam Silver needs to address
and not a lot of time to do it.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Speaking a lot of time.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
Is Eric Gordon's hamstringth gonna be good enough to be
for How's it going to impact him in this Game seven?
Because to me, it's like the Nuggets simply ran out
of time, They just run out of bodies.

Speaker 5 (54:51):
Yeah, without a doubt he he can't play tomorrow. That's
what David Adaman said that the Nuggets coach now ham
Spring injuries, as you know, are dicey here, as we
saw with Steph Curry with missing you know all but
game one of the Warriors playoffs series, and we know
how that went. But the thing that we have to

(55:11):
keep in mind with Aaron Gordon is it's not a
strained hamstring yet, but it could be there, so they
have to be very careful with. If he is good
enough to play and it's a pain tolerance issue, he'll
go out there. But the problem with most hamstring injuries
is that's not a pain tolerant issue. It's a structural part.
So he went through all walk through. He's expected to

(55:33):
play because it hadn't been completely strained yet, but this
is very subject to change.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Well, it's been an interesting postseason, right I mean we're
sitting here potentially. I mean, if Denver pulls off the
upset tomorrow on the road top two season, both conferences
will be all gone heading into the conference finals. I guess,
in some ways, why should we be surprised about Indiana
Minnesota being here?

Speaker 3 (55:57):
They were there a year ago.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I mean, both teams are exactly where they were a
year ago heading into the conference finals. But I want
to I want to focus on the East right now
because the New York Knicks have changed the whole dynamic,
and Martin and I were getting into this because Martin
is one of those guys that says, you know, from
a basketball standpoint, I really appreciate a potential Pacers Timberwolves final.

(56:20):
I think the NBA would be it would be a
nightmare matchup, not because they don't have great teams that
aren't deserving. It's just not going to bring eyeballs. If
you got two franchises that have never won an NBA
championship out of the Midwest hooked up in the NBA Finals,
it would just seem to me either desperate for the
Knicks to finally break through after all these years they

(56:40):
haven't won a championship since Nixon was president president, how
big would this be? Seriously, if the New York Knicks
ran the table and won the NBA Championship, what kind
of impact would that have on the NBA as a whole.

Speaker 5 (56:56):
Oh, it'll be huge because as you metched and they
haven't sniffed a lot of success championship success since the seventies.
They were respectable in the nineties but came close in
the finals twice but never won. And even though in
today's NBA they say they want competitive balance and parody,
I mean they have made rules to make it so
it's more competitively balanced. There hasn't been a repeat champion

(57:19):
since the Warriors did in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen.
They like when big market teams and big market stars
are in the final stages because it's bigger ratings. Even
though this doesn't directly correlate with revenue, it has a
trickle down effect. And so yeah, the New York Knicks,
the star power, the fact that Jalen Brunson has continued

(57:42):
to be a great player down the clutch, Tom Thibodeau
having a coaching redemption, and the fact that the Knicks
have been seen as a punching punchline for so long.
All that will be much more exciting than seeing you know,
a small market Indiana Pacers team get to the finals
or you know, Glohoma City or Minnesota battling it out.

Speaker 6 (58:03):
Now.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
I do want to ask though, with that concept, right
we you've talked about Me and Steve were talking about
this earlier with like the concept of face of the
league is.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Kind of the catch all way to talk about it.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
But we've saw Giannis winning championship didn't quite take everything over,
so Yoka's winning championship couldn't be less interested in taking
over things from the media side of things, and you know,
saying that kind of thing with guys like Anthony Edwards
and Tyrese Haliburton and the Knicks on that side of things.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
I really feel like the NBA can't lose.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
In terms of the way that these the last four teams,
whoever those four teams are actually going to be there's
something to look at for all of them in terms
of this is going to be good for us going forward.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
No, that's a good point, Marn. I mean, I think
the NBA would never admit this, but they had their
you know, preference, it would be New York because it's
a bigger audience straw. But I think that the thing
is there are a lot of reasons to still tune in,
and some of it has to do with those young
rising stars. And I think that the context of trying
to find a face of the league is much different

(59:06):
than when Giannis was having that thrown upon him after
he won a championship, simply because you look at the
faces of the past generation. Now they're very close to
being on their way out, with Lebron James, Kevin Durant,
Steph Curry. They're all expected to be back next season.
It's not like any of them are going on farewell
tours next season either, but you know their days are numbered,

(59:28):
and so I think there is you know, a lot
of push pull on what will the NBA look like
when all three of those players retire, Because they play
at a high level, they are rating shrows. We know
what it was like post NBA when Michael Jordan retired.
There was not only a talent vacuum, but just a
leadership marketability vacuum. And so even though the NBA they're

(59:50):
checking all the boxes as far as new TV right steal,
they're not hurting for cash. They're getting a lot of revenue.
Even if you know linear TV ratings I've been on
the decline, digitals always high. They need to have those
generational stars that are ready to pick up the mantle,
and we've seen signs of it, but not quite enough.

(01:00:11):
And the playoffs are the biggest stage to show if
they're ready to make that next step.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
All right, let's go back to the Celtics, a team
I didn't buy going into this season. You know a
lot of people just conceded the Eastern Conference championship to
them before the playoffs began. I'll admit I'm a lifetime
Celtic hater, so I couldn't be happier that the Celtics
are gone.

Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
But they got some big questions.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
I mean, obviously, you now have Jason Tatum coming off
in Achilles, so that the timetable in his return is
very much up in the air. But they've got some
cap situations facing them. Just how different could this Celtic
team look next season.

Speaker 5 (01:00:50):
Yeah, I think Derek White hit on the head when
he was lamenting after they lost the series. It's like,
this same team isn't coming back. And maybe that sounds
dramatic because they won the championship last year, but I
think he should have speaking in the reality that when
you're a team that falls the low expectations, you're having
health concerns moving forward and there's a lot of you know,

(01:01:11):
salary cap management that you alluded to. Changes inevitably are
going to be made. Now Jason Tatum is not going anywhere,
but this is the biggest question mark. He's expected to
come back at some point next season, but with the
exception of Dominique Wilkins, there's literally been no player in
the history of the NBA that has been a better
player post Achilles. There's a lot of comeback stories, but

(01:01:33):
not for the better. So that's point number one. What
will Jason Tatum look like? Will he's still be one
of those star players? And then two, what do they
do with all their role players? I think that you know,
when you're looking from a contract standpoint, they have Jalen Brown,
they have Derek White, they don't have to make decisions
on them, But what about players like Chris as Porzingis,

(01:01:55):
Drew Holliday. They're all great players, but this group underachieved
and they do have to make as their resources. So
I expect that Christoph Borzingis Andrew Holliday will be traded
in some fashion. I don't know what it's going to
look like, but I think when you're looking at the
big picture, guys, there's a strong expectation around the league
and there's gonna be a lot of player movement in

(01:02:16):
trades because you're looking at YadA Sun Stacumpo situation, Kevin
Durant situation. There's a lot of young teams that have flexibility,
whether it's Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, So there's going
to be a lot of aggressive type conversations and as
a result, a lot of interesting games of musical chairs.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
A lot's good news for the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
You want to stay in the news, and like you said,
there are going to be some big moves in this offseason.
All right, final word here, Mark, who's going to win
the game tomorrow?

Speaker 5 (01:02:45):
Oh? Tough question. I'm gonna still go with the Thunder.
I mean, I know the Nuggets have been completely different
in the playoffs than they have in the regular season,
but I think the Thunder their regular season success hasn't
been a fluke. They They've had the good formula, say
Gildess Alasander playing at a good level, Jalen Williams being
a good secondary score. Now, they haven't been consistent as

(01:03:07):
we see in the playoffs with that, but I think
they'll get their act together. Steve, I'm surprised this is
the last question I thought of all the weeks to
talk conspiracy theories. This would be it with Cooper Flagg
going to the Mavericks, But I guess we'll say that
for another time.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Wow, what do you think markin should we go there?

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
My thing is this, Steve, I know you probably have
the conspiracy theory. But as I'm sure Eno Medina, I
don't mean to step on your toes.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
But let's continue this conversation because it was yes, my son,
who's the biggest NBA fan, screaming about a team with
a one point eight chance of getting the number one
pick getting it just conveniently after giving up a superstar
in one of the worst trades in NBA history.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Now, now, Mark, I'm gonna let you do this because
you're the NBA expert. Will you please outline to Steve
and the rest of the listening American audio audience international
to be that how after trading Luca Dantis, the Mavericks
did everything in their power to make sure that one
point eight percent was actually zero percent. And if it
hadn't been for catastrophic injuries in the second half of

(01:04:13):
the season, the Mavericks probably would have made the playoffs
instead of getting that one point eight and that was
what they were trying to do.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
And how about this, blame this on Josh Getty with
the Bulls. If he doesn't make that half court heave
against the Lakers, maybe they would have won that coin
flip that would have increased the Rods to get the
lottery pick instead of falling through twelve. I love conspiracy theories,
but at least with the lottery. I've attended a few
of them during the Lakers rebuilding years. There's accounting firms

(01:04:40):
that witness every move. There's people that are timing to
stop watch to make sure that it's been you know,
thrown around the ping pong balls accurate times. What I'm
saying is, if they would pull off this kind of
conspiracy theory, it would have to be at the same
dramatic discipline as we saw in The Dark Knight that
that classic scene with the Joker and everyone, you know,

(01:05:02):
robbing a bank. It would have to be so well
coordinated in front of everyone's eyes without anyone noticing. But
you know what, I guess things can happen.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Well, it's not like the first Draft Lottery where David
Stern pulled out the frozen card and had the knicks
on it to guarantee that they would get Patrick you
and the frozen card that he just happened to pick
out in time for them to have that number one
overall pick. All right, great stuff, as always, Mark, We'll
see how it plays out, and there we get ready
for the Conference Finals.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
Thanks Mark, We checking with you next week.

Speaker 5 (01:05:34):
Seve Mario the best, appreciate you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Thanks so much. There he is all right. We got
our answer to that conspiracy. A lot more on that,
but first let's find out what is trending right now.
Let's welcome in Martin Weiss. Go through some Major League
Baseball scores.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
The Phillies blanking the Pirates five to nothing at the
top of the fifth inning, Guardians and Red scoreless bottom
of the fourth, Astros with they won nothing lead in
the Battle of Texas over the over the Rangers their
bottom of the second inning. Going to the bottom of
the first, Cardinals and Royals are scoreless in the bottom
of the first. On Fox, depending on where you are,
you'll see the Braves with a three to nothing lead
over the Red Sox or the Twins with they won

(01:06:09):
nothing lead over the Brewers. Earlier today, the Mets had
at San Francisco. Lindor had to Sackfly at the top
of the ninth inning to break a two to two
tie for the Mets to beat the Yankees. Today in
game two of their Subway series, the Cubs doubled up
the White Sox seven and three. Doubled up plus one,
The Blue Jays walked off on a walk off single
beat the Tigers two to one. Tigers thirty and sixteen,

(01:06:31):
so the best team in the American League. The Nationals
beat the Orioles ten to six. The Orioles had a
three run homer in the ninth inning, but it wasn't enough.

Speaker 3 (01:06:39):
Obviously.

Speaker 4 (01:06:40):
They're fifteen to twenty nine on the year, ten and
a half games back of those Yankees, and they fired
their manager, Brandon Hyde.

Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Earlier today, the Rays.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Blank the Marlins four to nothing in the WNBA tip
off is going on to this weekend right now, got
one more games slated for ten pm. Eastern Seattle and
Phoenix will go.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
We saw the Indiana Fever beat the Chicago skuy ninety
three to fifty eight. Kaitlyn Clark Lettole scores with twenty points.
She also added a flagrant foul, fouling Angel Reese on
the way to attempt a layup.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Rees hit the floor.

Speaker 4 (01:07:12):
The ref reviewed it escalated the foul after the game
reset good basketball play, the repscotted right. KAITLINN Clark said,
the refs got it wrong and I didn't understand why
they would have escalated it. So pretty much what you'd
expect out of the two of them and their rivalry.
Reese did have a twelve point seventeen rebound double, and
earlier today we saw the Liberty beat the Aces ninety
seven ninety to six seventy six. Browna Stewart had twenty

(01:07:35):
five points. Asia Wilson had thirty one.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Oh well, thank you very much, Martin. You're welcome.

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(01:08:03):
the air. Yeah, the whole conspiracy theory about the Dallas
Mavericks and the miraculous ending up with Cooper Flagg.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
You're laughing. Mary said something in my ear that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Is Mary still upset that you didn't think about her
and ordering some food for her before the show today.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
She wasn't, but now you just brought it back up,
so she's probably gonna probably have to hear about that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Are you upset about that? Mary? No, it's not that deep. Okay.
He's usually really nice and usually like he'll give me
food once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
So I'm usually in other words, you feel this time,
I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:42):
Usually he's the best guy in the building. Usually, yeah,
most of the time. Always today, I guess today, you know,
my bad hand up my bed. There's a lot of
not going on today. Yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
He's got double duty today. All right, So getting back
to this Maverick situation. All right, so are you are you?
Are you convinced that a guy who barely brushed the
front of the rim and the biggest shot of his
collegiate career is going to be that level of superstar
in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (01:09:11):
Not one bit.

Speaker 4 (01:09:13):
It has much less to do with that particular shot
than to me, I just felt like I saw a
guy who was, don't get me wrong, a incredible college player.
But when I look at some of these guys as
there as they're going into the NBA, right, when I
look at the guys who I deemed to be can't miss,

(01:09:35):
they already have an elite talent. Like when Kevin Durant,
like people talked about like Cooper Flagg plays like a guard.
If you go back and watch Kevin Durant at Texas,
he's dribbling like the best point guard in the country.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
You know what I'm saying. He is some of the
best moves in the country.

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
When I look at Cooper Flagg, I see a guy
who has like B plus at everything, which makes you
overall an a But I wonder what is going to
be his calling card in the NBA. People say defense.
I think that's something. I got to see it on
the court to believe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
All right, But keep in mind again, he barely from
an age standpoint, qualified for this draft. You have to
be twenty years old by the first of the year, okay,
So he will turn nineteen on December twenty first. So
basically he only got under the flag by like a

(01:10:31):
week right to even be eligible for this draft. So
when you look back on his one season at Duke,
averaging nineteen points, seven a half rebounds, four assists, you
know he shot about thirty eight and a half percent
threes eighty four percent free throws. These are good numbers
obviously at the level, But this is a guy who
started the season at age seventeen. He turned eighteen during

(01:10:53):
the season. So I guess that's the thing you would
say Cooper Flag has going for him is that it's
not like, you know, Larry Bird coming out of five
years of.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
College, especially two in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
I heard Gilbert Areena say this once and it makes
so much sense. You're not graded against your class like
professional athletes are not graded against the class of twenty
twenty five or that draft class. You're graded against your age, right, Yeah,
And so for Cooper Flag to be at the age
that he's at, I mean absolutely he's one of the
best that we've seen at that age. Just about how

(01:11:27):
does that translate into the NBA? And then if I'm Dallas,
when I look at the way that some of these
other stars have risen in the NBA, I wonder does
he rise for me? Like does it take five years
before we see Cooper Flag at a playing at an
MVP level, because and five years later, do I still
have a job or am I still? Is he still

(01:11:48):
Dallas Maverick?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Well, you also have that situation of a franchise that
obviously got a lot of heat, understandably after trading Way
a twenty five at that time, your old superstar, there's
gonna be a lot of pressure to spot like Cooper Flagg.

Speaker 3 (01:12:03):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
And if you're Kyrie Irving or the other Mavericks players,
are you willing to essentially hand the ball to a
guy that will be nineteen years old when they start
the seaze? Are you ready to annoyed him the man
the guy early on or does he you know, does
he have to earn that respect amongst his teammates. I mean,
I would imagine that's absolutely something that has to be

(01:12:26):
you know, the fans are gonna demand it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
I mean what it absolutely though, has to be earned.

Speaker 4 (01:12:30):
Even when Lebron, who to me was the most can't
missed prospect in the NBA in the last forty years, right,
I don't think that's even debatable.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Victor like Lebron to his ability to.

Speaker 4 (01:12:40):
Come in and then immediately impact the way games were
won and lost in the league. His teammates at the
time his rookie year, they were saying, have gone back
since and said, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:52):
His rookie year, we were better than him.

Speaker 4 (01:12:55):
Now after game seventy, you know what I'm saying, Game
eighty two, after he got into the league, got his
body right, got his diet right. Yeah, of course he's
dierocketed past us. But at the remember that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Paul Silas was the coach of the Cavs back then,
and he wanted to make him a point guard.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
He really didn't know what to do with this kid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
You know, he's just like, Okay, I'm not quite sure
what we're gonna do with this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:20):
And to Paul's House's credit, twenty five years or you know,
twenty years later, Lebron are given seventeen years later.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
After that, Lebron the primary ball handle on his team,
you know, for a lot of point guard mentality.

Speaker 4 (01:13:32):
Sure, but it's just to your point, Yeah, they had this,
this uh lightning rod talent, and it's like, what are
we gonna do here?

Speaker 3 (01:13:40):
How do we figure out what to do with this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
It's a similar thing with Cooper Flagg, although I think
Lebron was a head and shoulder's better prospect than Cooper Flagg,
but the idea that his teammates are going to be
better than him. Kyrie Irving's a first battlet Hall of Famer,
Anthony Davis is a Hall of Famer. Like those guys,
are going to be better than him. When Cooper Flagg
walked in day one. The question for the Mavericks how
long does it take for Cooper flag if he's able

(01:14:04):
to plateau pass those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
There was a baseball story this week that made headlines,
but really for the wrong reasons.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
We'll explain.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harvey, Martin Weisse. Here
Fox Sports Saturday. We're coming live from the Fox Sports
Radio studios. I want to thank our crew today. Update
Martin Weiss, the other guy, You're welcome. Steve did a
phenomenal job as always, Mary macs by getting snubbed by

(01:14:34):
the usually reliable Martin Weiss still maintains her superstar status
as always on this broadcast. And then he and of
course one of the superstar rising superstars here at Fox
Sports Radio, Shucks. Who knows where he's going to be
in a short period of time, He'll be at the
top of the mountain. That's what happens around here at

(01:14:55):
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
So let's sway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
It's a great place because I have seen so many
people rise to the rings, get all the way to
the top, all of them passing me along the.

Speaker 3 (01:15:04):
Way, which I always appreciate.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
So the Pete Rose story came out this week that
the commissioner decided that a lifetime suspension literally meant a
lifetime suspension, So you're suspended for life for any wrongdoing
a Major League baseball. Once you're dead, the lifetime suspension
is lifted.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
So you know it was being haled, like, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
Pete Rose is finally going to get the Hall of Fame.
Maybe shoeless Joe Jackson not so fast. A new rule
was put in Martin a few months ago from the
era committees. There's three era committees. You got the recent era,
the old time era, and then there's that era that
just includes managers and executives and umpires like that, and

(01:15:50):
so they just rotate these three era committees. So they
put in a new rule, so there's sixteen members on
the voting committee for each of these committees. It says,
but if you do not receive at least five votes
in a year that you're on that list, that's if
you make it past the screening committee and actually are
one of the eight nominees. If you don't get five votes,

(01:16:13):
you're not eligible to be on that list three years later.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
Okay, but Here's here's the kicker.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
You are eligible to return three years after that, but
if you don't get five votes the second time, you
are permanently eliminated from any consideration for the Hall of Fame.
So you look at the Pete Rose situation. He's not
eligible for two more years. The committee, the old Timers Committee,
so to speak, will convene in two years. So let's

(01:16:41):
say he's on that list for the first time. There'll
be a lot of controversy about it, and it's conceivable
that he gets five votes or less. Then he would
have to wait three more actually six more years before
he's even eligible to be on the list again. And
if he doesn't get five votes that time, he's gone.
So they're really and by the way, they did this

(01:17:02):
the same thing for the Barry Bonds, the Roger Clemens
down the road, the A Rods and many Ramirez, all
the ped guys. What they're trying to do is permanently
ban them from ever being in the Hall of Fame.
The pros situation is always going to be controversial. Here's
the thing that gets me, Martin in the hypocrisy of
the Baseball Hall of Fame. Because whether it's gambling or

(01:17:26):
and by the way, there's no proof that p Ros
ever bet against his team, which to me obviously would
be crossing the life. He just bet on his teams
to win. As a manager, he's being considered as a player.
And all the ped users and they always talk about, well,
they were jeopardizing the integrity of the game. And I'm like,
you mean the integrity of a sport that banned an
entire race of people for sixty years. That's what we're

(01:17:48):
worried about here, the integrity of the history of baseball.
Every record in baseball pre nineteen forty seven should have
an asterisk because it wasn't an all inclusive Major League,
was it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:00):
I mean, but that the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
Idea of the pretending about the integrity of the sport.
What are you talking about the integrity? There have been cheaters,
there have been low lives, There have been a lot
of people. The Hall of Fame should just celebrate those
that the best of the game, if you want to say,
with Pete Rose all time hit later, this, that, and
everything else. Then he was suspended for baseball for gambling.
Put that on his plaque. Same thing with guys that

(01:18:23):
were you know, busted for pds like an a Rod
or a Manny Ram Mirrors or somewhere like that. But
keeping them out of the Hall of Fame, which is
supposed to chronicle the history of the sport is an
absolute mockery and why I have such disdain for the
process that puts members in the Hall of Fame Baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
The only issue.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
That I have with the Baseball Hall of Fame process
is that a lot of those writers who both from
now refuse to put the steroid users in, were writing
about those guys as they were using steroids.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Well they were get handing HM MVP and Cy Young awards.

Speaker 4 (01:18:56):
Hey, your journalism if you're a journalist at that point,
like where are you uncovering?

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
You know, J Mark and I was around baseball during
that year, like Io saw it all the time, and
the growth of the physical transformational players was so obvious.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
There was no rules against it at the time, but.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
As everybody saw it and nobody wanted when nobody was
discussing it in that way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
I disagree with you that the.

Speaker 4 (01:19:23):
Pete Rose only betting on his team to win is
not It has like a as merited because to me,
if you are taking Pete Rose's action every day or
every day he bets on his team to win.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
He doesn't bet on this team to win. Then you know,
and why.

Speaker 2 (01:19:39):
You bet on your team to win if you got
your number five started going against the other team's ace.
Look in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Paul Horney
Alex Scars were busted for betting on their teams to
win while they were playing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
They were suspended one year each. Eventually both made it
into the Hall. I'm not in on it.

Speaker 4 (01:19:54):
Did you can manage the game on Tuesday like you
have to win it as opposed to because it stretching
your bullpen out or whatever because you bet on Tuesday
instead of Wednesday. Like I'm not, I can't really square it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:06):
I'm not in. I'm gum fine with Pete Rose being
not in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Well, I'm gonna assure everybody Pete Rose will never be
in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
You can count on.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
That much more coming up, keep it right here. This
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