Steve Hartman & Monse Bolanos talk Clippers/Lakers Season So Far, React To The NFL Combine, and More!

Steve Hartman and Monse Bolanos talk about how the season so far has been going for the Clippers and the Lakers as they get closer to the post season. Steve and Monse also react to the ongoing NFL Combine. Plus, Steve and Monse talk with NBA Analyst Mark Medina and NFL Analyst Adam Caplan, talk about Shohei Ohtani's "normal" wife, and more!!

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Speaker 3 (00:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
I decided to enhance the experience for you today.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yes you did, as I.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Went to my significant x. I love her Denise, who
is well known to listeners out there. And if you're
gonna say, is this another one of those food things Hartman,
the answers, Yes, So I asked you last week, is
there something as far as baked goods that you might
be interested in? And you're like, well, I'm pretty basic,

(01:00):
you know, like chocolate chip cookies. Yep. So today I delivered,
courtesy of my significant ex. Oh not just any.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Chocolate, no, no, no, no, the most delicious vegan chocolate chip cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
A lot of people vegan.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, this was per my request.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
And not that I only have vegan cookies, but you
have given us little glimpses and little tastes of what
she has done in the past, and I knew she
could do something vegan and make it extra tasty. This
is so good. You could give this to somebody and
not tell them it's vegan, and they would have no
idea and they would say, this is the best cookie
I've ever had.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Now, Katino Mobley, the Great Katino Mobley fell in love
where they're baking, to the point where he wanted to
open up a business like you have, missus Fieldskies right now.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
Put these on fields right, no question, missus Field.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
But I mean these are next level this.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
I feel like I could just taste everything in it,
like all the hint of salt. Yes, like I could
just I taste it all. They are so so good
I don't even care what happens the rest of my day.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
No, with all due respect to Martin and Patrick and Chris.
The reason I am not sharing this with the rest
of you guys. We'll do this down the road, I
promise you, yes, But this was specifically for Moncie so
now so I because if they if they start chewing
on that those boxes will be gone.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, this will be gone. And I really don't want
to fight anybody today, no training, nobody needs to be
fighting today. You know, I barely brushed my hair because
of this weather. So let's not let's not get crazy.
Let's not get crazy. Maybe I should just say that
the cookies are not good, so they're not jealous.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I wish I could wear a cap today, but I
have TV tonight, so I gotta keep by.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
There, Steve, I wish I were at all right.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
I have another story to share with you, Moncey. So
during the week, my younger son, Garrett, who is twenty
five years old and it'd be twenty.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
He is the ultimate Lakers fan and has been his
entire life. I had the good fortune as a father
to actually get him to take a picture of meet
Kobe Bryant face to face in Kobe's last year as
a Lakers.

Speaker 4 (03:13):
So he's a diehard Laker. But he went to the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Game the other night. It was a Clippers home game,
and the game looked ugly from the beginning. Clippers were
in total control of this game, a nineteen point lead
going into the fourth quarter, and he was still there.
He was disappointed, and he just said, come on, let's

(03:38):
at least make it competitive. The lead then got to
twenty one points, and then the game ended and the
Lakers had won the game. It was the largest fourth
quarter comeback in Lebron James's twenty one year NBA career.
Clippers coach tylu said he could never remember as a

(04:00):
coach blowing a twenty one point fourth quarter lead.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
But I have good news for you Clipper fan. Here's
some good news.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
With that win. Yes, the Lakers clinched the season series
for the clip from the Clippers for the first time
since twenty twelve.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Correct.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So the fact is the Clippers have owned the Lakers
over the last eleven years. Their record against the Lakers
was twenty six and seven. Yeah, and that resulted in
zero NBA championships for the Clippers.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
I like where you're going because this is exactly what
I've been saying.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
So now that the Lakers, who obviously are still well
behind the Clippers and the standings, have won this season series,
could it be that twist of fate that propels the
Clippers to a destination and they've never been, which would
be the NBA finals.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I'm literally this is I have been saying throughout the
season because the Lakers have won the series. This wasn't
the first game we lost this season. The first game
of the season to the Lakers, we lost, and I
was like, you know what if this just means that
the end outcome is going to be different than it
has been the last ten years, I am okay with
it because the Clippers. You can't deny that the Clippers

(05:20):
just look way better than the Lakers on paper, in person,
they're the better team. But Lebron James decided to take
some of Michael's secret stuff that he takes in space
jam and just went on a ta on a tear
that Like, I obviously was rooting for my Clippers, but
watching it, I was here working, I was anchoring for

(05:42):
Jason Smith and Mike Carmen and I just couldn't believe
what I was seeing Lebron do. It was so entertaining,
even though I wasn't rooting for him, it was so
entertaining to watch. Now there were questions as a Clippers
fan where I was like, I don't understand why PJ.
Tucker is playing right now with the whole drama that
he was in the.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Line, and Paul George was not in the game.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
Paul George was not playing Avitz's zoo bots, was not
in the game. A big or unsung hero that I
say all the time, but I did. There were questions
that I had as a Clippers fan as I was
watching this unravel, Why didn't Kawhi go and guard Lebron
when he got hot? You know, little things like that.
Doesn't matter though we were up by twenty one at
one point, still embarrassing, no matter how you want to

(06:23):
dissect it. But Lebron put on a great show, and
it doesn't matter if you're a Clippers fan. It was
incredible to watch, and in a way, you know, it
bookends the story of the Clippers and the Lakers. At
Crypto slash Staples dot com, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I'm not upset about it now.

Speaker 3 (06:42):
I was.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I was here, like, you know what's so embarrassing, Steve
that day. I was no joke. I was wearing a
Clipper shirt, I brought a Clipper jacket, and I was
wearing Clipper socks that game, and I was here working
and I just was like, Jason Smith cuts to me
for an update, and I was like, Clippers, Clipper back
to you, like I had nothing else to say, because
that's it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, as this game was unfolding, obviously, I'm at home.
My other son, Drake was at home. We knew Garrett
was excited to go to the game and they're getting
blown out. It's just like, oh, he's got to be
in misery. We had actually turned off the game. Drake
and I were watching a movie and I looked at
my phone and suddenly the league was down to five,
and I'm like, wow, the Lakers are making it respectable.

(07:24):
I then turn it off again, and then I had
to go out to get something. I turned on and
says they won the game. I don't have to tell you.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
When Garrett got home, he exploded through the door.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Greatest game by by that greatest game ever. I fell
happy for him. But you mentioned Lebron James, and I
love when you know. When Tiger Woods won his Masters,
the big comeback Masters, and after that tournament, he's at
the press conference and everyone's you know.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Oh, now he's gonna break Jack's record.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
He's back by and he basically said, you do know
how many things had to go right for this to happen,
Like he was realistic about the situation. I played really well.
I played better than everybody else in the final round.
That's why I won. But other guys had to sort of,
you know, fall back. After this game, Lebron was as

(08:19):
pretty philosophical talking about that I found myself in the zone,
and when I mean in the zone, like I can
do no wrong. And I also know when the game's over,
I'm no longer in the zone. So what happened today?
The idea, well, this, if it happens once, it can
happen all the time. He goes, no, no, no, you

(08:40):
don't understand. Even in my career, to be in that
kind of zone is so rare, But occasionally it happens,
and I literally it's almost an out of body experience
where it doesn't matter what I do, it's going to happen.
He's throwing up twenty six foot threes and they're just
you know, money.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
I was so glad with his answer, because I mean know,
Lebron lives to talk. Lebron crowns himself. Nobody crowns him.
He crowns himself as the king. But that answer was
very real, especially because Lebron is not known to make
threes like that, right. It wasn't like Curry because if
we see Curry do that, we're like, well, OK, Curry's
done that throughout his career multiple times. That's not his

(09:21):
style of play. And you could tell when he made
that third He made five three pointers I think in
like five seven minutes. When he made the third one,
I was like, that's it, You're not he's he is
not missing the rest He ended up missing like the
seven three pointer after that, but it was like you
could just tell nobody else was around. He was by himself.
It was him in the basket and there was nobody

(09:42):
else there, and you could feel it that he was
in a zone where I don't know how you snap
him out of it. A timeout wasn't gonna do it,
and it didn't because the tyler called the time out
didn't work. It was incredible to watch him do that.
And again, I don't hate Lebron at all. I know
he gets a lot of people's skin. He's funny to me.

(10:02):
He says things that make me laugh. But I always
have given him credit for what he's doing in your
twenty one and to put that show on, like how
do you. How are you not seeing the great news
in front of us?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
Well, and now he's nine points away from forty thousand.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
On the other side, Mark Madea is going to be
joining us our NBA insider from Fox Sports Radio. By
the way, we want to welcome this is a big
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the new one oh six point won the ticket in
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(10:41):
and even a bigger win for us, and we're so
excited the new one oh six point one the ticket
in New Orleans. We welcome you to the Fox Sports
Radio family. To say that I love New Orleans is
the understatement of the century. I've covered so many Super
Bowls and Final Fours and all kinds of great events
in New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (11:00):
I've had what I called.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
The full New Orleans experience.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh you have over many times I've been there.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
I believed twelve times nice to cover events, variety events,
and I would say, over the span of those twelve
experiences in New Orleans everything you can possibly imagine experiencing,
and America is one of the most unique cities obviously
in America.

Speaker 4 (11:22):
I have enjoyed so and I survived. Let's put it out.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
One.

Speaker 1 (11:26):
I was there one time. I actually this was about
I don't know, maybe five years ago or so. I
have worked, you know, as an actor from time to time,
and I did a T mobile commercial and they flew
me out to New Orleans and I was there for
like five days by myself, and I was in the
middle of like, you know, I could. I walked to
Bourbon Street. But it was so funny because I was
on set and I asked everybody I was working with.

(11:48):
I was like, can I go to Bourbon Street alone?
Like am I?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
Am?

Speaker 2 (11:50):
I okay?

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Like I like yeah, yeah, yeah during daytime. If it's
nighttime and you're by yourself, we don't recommend it. And
I was like, okay. So I went a few times
to Bourbon Street when I could during daytime, and I
got pizza, I got drinks, and I walked around and
it was the Beignets. Oh what a lovely time. And
again I was there for work. I can't imagine if

(12:10):
I go just for pleasure, how great it would be.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
I could share an experience where I hit Bourbon Street
in the evening, something I'd done many times. The difference
this time is I walked out of Bourbon Street and
it was daylight. I have to I can't share that
whole story with you. I'm exactly what happened there. Ali
coming up with the others. We're gonna be joined by
Mark Medina, our Fox Sports Radio NBA Insider.

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Speaker 1 (13:30):
Is that how you dance to Steve like Martin? Martin
has is getting with it, getting jiggy, witty.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
He can move.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I was working out with my trainer this morning and
he's like, you are the stiffest person ever, And I said,
I am, And it shows on the dance floor. My
body just doesn't flow like that. It's very stiff, you know,
my shoulders and everything else.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
You have to do much as a man, you just
got to be able to take on the one two
step like hell, if he.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
Could sway, Yeah, that helps sway, you know, just sort
of sway to the rhythm a little bit.

Speaker 4 (14:07):
Well, here's some of that sways to the rhythm of
the NBA.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
He is our Fox Sports Radio NBA insider Mark Medina
is joining us right now. Mark, I want to get
right to the top and Lebron James on the verge
of getting to forty thousand career points. And I'm going
to make a statement here Mark, obviously I want to
get your input on this. When people try to argue
about the goat in NBA, I simply go to resume.

(14:33):
And when I hear people try to tout Michael Jordan
over Lebron James based on six NBA appearances, six NBA finals,
MVPs six for six, so to speak, ignoring that he
actually played fifteen years in the NBA.

Speaker 4 (14:51):
I'm sorry, we are reminded almost every.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Time this guy takes the floor that we've never seen
anyone like him in the history of the NBA and
probably are unlikely ever to see anyone like him again
in the NBA. So, in my opinion, when his Cavs
overcame that three to one deficit against the Golden State Warriors,
a team that had won seventy three games, that's when

(15:16):
I said case closed. And he's only added to his
resume obviously since then. So where do you stand on
Lebron James's place in NBA history.

Speaker 7 (15:29):
Yeah, it's a very tough question, one that I wrestle
with all the time. I know for sure he's top two,
and I always interchange between Tim and MJ.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
As most of us do.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
But I think that what often gets lost for the
people that argue about Michael Jordan over Lebron James no
matter what, because oh, he didn't switch James. Well, it's
a different era. Oh, Michael Jordan's a better scorer and
he wants to take the last shot. But you know what,
even if Michael technically even now was better score, well,

(16:01):
Lebron James is scoring a lot of points even though
he's passed a lot. And then when they bring up,
you know, the undefeated finals record. Yeah, sure, that's an
impressive but there's a lot of acsenuating circumstances. No doubt
he was able to partly get back to the finals
because he retired for one and a half seasons. And yes,
I know he played baseball, but he wasn't part of

(16:22):
that day to day grind with the NBA where you
look at Lebron James. Yes, it helps that he played
twenty one season to break the record. Yes it helps
that he was able to jump from high school to
the NBA before the one and done rule kicked in.
But for him to be able to get into contented
consecutive NBA finals, for him to be able to navigate
at this point of his career and still being able

(16:44):
to play at a high level even though he's managed
you know a handful of different injuries here or there
that haven't been season ending but serious enough. I don't
think that those parts have gotten enough credit. I just
think when you tie this up in a bow with
what it means to get forty k points, I think
it's very ironic because he's never set out to get

(17:05):
the scoring record. He's a past first guy. Well, because
he has so many skills and has been so durable,
he's been able to break a record from Kareem last
season that many thought would be untouched ever since he
said it in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
No, no, Mark, it's crazy. Hi Mark, thanks for hanging out.

Speaker 7 (17:24):
Hey Manthy, how are you hanging in with your Clippers?

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (17:26):
You know I was telling Steve you couldn't not enjoy
what Lebron was doing even if you were a Clipper fan.
It was incredible to watch. It's I had anger and
excitement going through my body at that time. But what
is the latest? What have you heard with Russell Westbrook's
fractured hand? How bad it Isn't it weird that Scottie

(17:48):
Barnes also broke his hand the same night.

Speaker 7 (17:50):
It's wild. Clippers haven't said specifics as far as if
he's going to need surgery or not. They haven't released
any sort of timetable, but months you probably know, like
fractured hand. Injuries are pretty serious, so I would I
don't consider this a day to day injury. I would
suspect he's certainly out, you know, multiple weeks. And I
think that the tough thing about the Clippers, as you know,

(18:13):
is they finally, for the first time probably ever, went
through a season where they're mostly injury free, and then
all of a sudden, post All Star Break, Paul George
is missing two games with his left knee. Now, he
came back and Friday's win against Washington, but that's an
injury to keep an eye on and beat the Zoobots.
He has an illness. I suspect that we'll be back,

(18:33):
but he's missed the last few games here, and so
that's where I start getting concerned about. Okay, injuries start
piling up. But to soften any concerns, Paul George is back.
Russell Westbrook's injury history is pretty strong. He's been seen
as a durable player. So I think that, you know,
even with these tough short term circumstances, it'll be enough

(18:54):
for the Clippers to get through and also not compromise
their standings and what what's going to be a pretty
tight Western Conference playoffs seating race.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, I had good news Fromonse. So my son, who's
a lifelong Laker fan, was at that game, which was
a Clipper home game, and of course witnessed the greatest
fourth quarter comeback of Lebron James's career. It also clinched
the season series for the Lakers over the Clippers for
the first time since twenty twelve. I mean, over the
last eleven years, the Clippers were twenty six and seven

(19:25):
against the Lakers. I mean, you talk about free spot
on a Bengo board, that's exactly what the Lakers had
become to the Clippers over that run.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
So maybe that's going to be a reverse of fortune.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Now the Lakers getting ready to host the Nuggets, and
I've maintained this throughout this season, Mark that look, the
Celtic are red hot, and Minnesota and Oklahoma City have
been hanging at the top of this Western Conference. Make
no mistake, the Nuggets are the team to beat, and
at times they have seen disinterested. But you get a
sense right now they're on a five game winning streak

(19:57):
that they're beginning to assert their authority, so to speak.
And I expect that to happen at the crypt andight
against the Lakers. But when you look at sort of
the power rankings top three right now and projecting where
they'll be by season's end, where do you stand right
now on your top three in the NBA?

Speaker 7 (20:18):
Yeah, top three in the NBA. I have Boston, the
Boston Celtics as the top team. Their separation in terms
of wins, and just Jaython Tatum's continued growth as an
MVP candidate, chemistry with Jalen Brown, Kursusperzingis, and Drew Hollidays
fitting in seamlessly, they separated themselves from the Eastern Conference

(20:38):
contenders pretty significantly, so I expect them to win the
title such them definitely get to the finals, but there
are some good teams in the West that could disrupt that.
I keep going back and forth between Nuggets and Clippers.
Both teams are surely in the mix, but I would
lean toward the Clippers presuming no major issues with health.
But the Nuggets, we have most of their championship core back.

(21:02):
I think that you hit on the money, Steve, that
some of their so called struggles during the season were
more championship hangover driven. Recently and then the beginning of
the season it was more related to Jamal Murray's absence,
and now I know he has a new injury to
worry about, but it's not projected to be long term.
So I think if all things are equal, Look, the Clippers'

(21:25):
talent and their chemistry has been so good that I
would give it to the edge to them, But we
don't operate the NBA Playoffs doesn't operate on how things
look on paper. It operates on how things are in
real time, and so you just never know what that
and the Nuggets certainly have the capability to reverse this fortunes.
So I would say, yeah, top three Celtics, Clippers, Nuggets.

(21:47):
But Clippers and Nuggets, it's almost interchangeable because the Margins
says them.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Another team that's one five in a row, Mark after
a bit of a slow start with their new head coach,
Doc Rivers, Milwaukee Bucks five in a row. We've just
heard Damian Lillard say how hard it's been being alone
in Milwaukee because his entire family is still in Portland.
Is their chemistry finally kicking in?

Speaker 7 (22:11):
Yes, it is, And I'm glad you brought up the
Bucks because I don't need to give them short change.
They're still in the mix. They're a good team. I
just think that the Celtics have everything going that barring,
you know, say, an injury to Porzingis or really anyone else.
They just have so much separation when it comes to depth,
their defense and their chemistry. But I think things are

(22:34):
looking very positive with Milwaukee. They're settling into Doc Rivers's
schemes that are simply a lot simpler than what Adrian
Griffin was trying to preach. For all of Doc's shortcomings
as a playoff coach, a lot of it had more
to do with circumstances with injuries and his key players underperforming,
And I think the positive parts about his experience and

(22:55):
managing personalities will come to full bloom. And I think
the scary harmonse is for whatever the so called struggles
that the Bucks have had with trying to get the
most out of the Gianna Fonte Decompo David Lower partnership,
it's still been pretty damn good that they're only going
to get better and so all that's trained in the
right direction. But I just don't think they have enough

(23:17):
defensively and enough depth to match up with Lost and
the look. That's why they play the games. It should
be fun.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Final word on Lebron is he is going to pass
forty thousand points. Keep in mind that Kevin Durant has
twenty eight thousand, and he's a scorer, and he still
hasn't even gotten to thirty thousand, much less forty thousand,
and Steph is in the twenty three thousand range. So
I don't know, Mark, I don't know if anybody is
ever going to think about this. That's averaging two thousand

(23:46):
points a year for twenty years. It's wild.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
It's an insane number.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
And as you mentioned, this is not a guy who
has been a super scorer because he has passed the
ball as much. Mark, we always appreciate at the time.
Thank you so much. We'll do it again next week.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Are looking forward to your guys are the best?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
All right, thanks so much to Hey, it's the great
Mark Medina joining us there. All right, Fox Sports Radio,
NBA Insider. Let's find out now what is a trend name?
Martin is in the house, No surprise because he's he's
always doing double duty in the updates doing his own
radio show. So who is your goat? I mean, is
is it Jordan or is it Lebron. Where do you

(24:27):
stand on this?

Speaker 8 (24:27):
I'd have to say Lebron, But honestly, I know this
is blasphemous to say on sports talk radio.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
I don't care. It doesn't. It doesn't, it doesn't.

Speaker 8 (24:37):
It's not something that truly doesn't effect It doesn't upset me.

Speaker 5 (24:41):
It doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 (24:42):
Like hear that, I understand that. I don't like. It
doesn't bother me. If you say one or the other,
I'm like, oh there, I do.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Well, well, well, what's your favorite ice? Can you like chocolate?
Are like Teberry the great? I get that? But where
it bothers me because you can make the argument for
years I used to say, why is why are we
not talking? Kareem abdul Jabbar won more MVP Awards and
anyone's still six six time NBA champion, But it seems

(25:07):
like that's my dad's move. Yeah, it's what about Wilt?
Yeah what about Wilt? You know, a hundred point game
and everything else. But to demean Lebron, that's that's where
I draw a line. Well, you know, there's no negative
with Lebron. I agree that. I don't understand where's the negative?
And his personal life, he's a family man. I mean,

(25:28):
where is the negative? Well, what about the decision? What
about the decision? He left Cleveland, he went to Miami,
won two championships, then came back to Cleveland and won
a championship.

Speaker 9 (25:38):
We're also going to pretend like Cleveland wasn't giving him
help on it was was like just giving him all
the help he needed the first time around, which Swearer
thres exactly.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
So, I mean, I don't I mean the politics whatever,
that not.

Speaker 7 (25:52):
Kay.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
If he wants to voice his opinion, that's all fine.
But in terms of I always conducted himself on the court,
what he's represented to the NBA, there is no negative. Yeah,
I mean that's anything I would be doing, just be nitpicking.

Speaker 8 (26:05):
Yeah, And you know who's got time for that on
a Saturday afternoon, right, of course. NFL News The Athletic
reporting that Brocos quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut
as soon as next week. Thirteen year veteran left tackle
Tyron Smith unlikely to resign with the Cowboys. He and
owner Jerry Jones couldn't agree on a new compensation. Smith,

(26:27):
an eight time Pro Bowler. Wide receiver Mike Evans, expected
to test free agency reports, saying he wants to play
with three things, an elite quarterback, be paid like a
top wide out, and compete for a Super Bowl. But
he's not ruling out returning to Tampa. Former Chargers quarterback
head coach, I'm sorry. Former Chargers head coach Brenda Staley

(26:47):
will join the San Francisco forty nine Ers as the
assistant head coach forty nine Ers, also promoting defensive passing
game specialist Nick Sorensen has new dc lsuit quarterback Jaden
Daniels and wide receiver from Elite Neighbors did not participate
in the measurements of the combine, saying they would do
so at their pro day March twenty seventh in Baton Rouge,
which is singling a trend more and more people opting

(27:07):
out of different things at the combine. Johnny Manziel is
opting out of the Heisman Trophy ceremony. He says he's
boycotting the Heisman Trophy ceremony until two thousand and five
winner Reggie bush And gets his Heisman Trophy back.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
We have one game in the NBA right now, the
Hawks and the Nets.

Speaker 8 (27:25):
The Nets with the lead sixty eight to sixty four
with eight minutes and ten seconds left in the third quarter.
Earlier today in college basketball, Creighton beat Marquette eighty nine
to seventy five. First win for the Blue Jays over
the Golden Eagles since March tenth, twenty twenty two. It's
been a minute barely beat Kansas eighty two to seventy four.
Illinois on the road beat Wisconsin eighty nine to eighty three.

(27:47):
Kentucky beat Arkansas one eleven to one O two Musselman
squad in trouble. They have five and eleven in conference play.
South Carolina be Florida eighty two to seventy six. And
as a native child of New Orleans Moncee, I'll tell
you this and somebody who was there, actually I was
there what I left Friday, so I was there this week,
just there.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
It's a wild place. It's a great place to be from.

Speaker 8 (28:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
No, I loved it. I want to go back. I'm
telling you, I.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Highly recommend it to me. There is no other place
in the world like it.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah. I just remember feeling like people ask me like
there's a there's a Vegas aspect to it. But I
love the jazz music. I would hear walking down the
street from like every little place. I walked into so
many places it was a live jazz band.

Speaker 8 (28:27):
If I may don't the comparison between Vegas and New
Orleans starts with you can drink outside and stops what
you can drink outside.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Real people live in New Orleans. It's a real it's
a real town.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
You're right, I don't disagree, you know what I mean?

Speaker 4 (28:43):
And it's like that the whole city is like that, right,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
Like Vegas, no Vegas.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
You got like five blocks of just destruction with the
strip and then after you go out into you know,
real Vegas.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Like I did a show out in Vegas at our affiliate.
I was as I did the show from there. It's
twenty minutes off the strip, you know what I look,
it's like the reft of America.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
I went into a mall at in New Orleans to
buy something and there was like this wine place and
they were like, oh, did you want your wine to
go at the mall? And I was like I'm sorry,
who Yeah. It was like I could walk around the
mall drinking a slushy wine and they're like yeah, and
then I got in a car and like my uber
and I was like, can I bring this in here?
And he said, yeah, no problem, just pretend to put
a lid on it. Yes, okay, you're right, it's not

(29:23):
one strip.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
You are one hundred percent the paraphrase Hannibal Burst. He says,
I walked into a bar, got a drink, said I
don't like this bar. I'm gonna leave it and take
this drink with me and another bar and get another drink.
Because that's how you can do it in New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah, it's you're right by the way.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
In New Orleans.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
I was there three times covering the Zurich Golf Classic.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Oh yeah, now you would love this. So you know,
a normalist had a golf tournament, they have, let's say,
at the turn, a place to stop to eat, because
I have like a pro am day, like every tournament
has before you get to the regular tournament. But at
the Zurich Golf Classic, which now is team competition, was
individual back in those years, they had food at every hole.

(30:06):
Now in New Orleans, I am convinced because again having
many late nights, many late nights there, you could walk
into any bar and when I say any bar, like
a place like unless you are already inebriated, you probably
would not think of walking in the door. Sure, and

(30:27):
you could order gumbo or no Steve Dirty right here,
I'll finish for you. You could order anything anything. But
the thing about it is it's always good, absolutely correct.
And so at this golf tournament they would have all
these locals bring their food. Oh, that's absolutely I mean

(30:50):
the my dad used to say this.

Speaker 8 (30:51):
He's like, if a restaurant closes in New Orleans after
nine months, you just know that the food was terrible
because it's not gonna last, no one's gonna go.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
It's I've never had bad food anywhere there. Ever, it's
hard to do ever after you guys. So anyway, thank
you very much, Martin. Once again, we're here at the
tire rack dot Com studios. I want to follow up
on that story about Reggie Bush and Johnny manself. So
I was down in Miami in two thousand and five

(31:21):
for the BCS Championship game between USC and Oklahoma. So
this was the year that Matt Leinert had won the
Heisman Trophy USC. Reggie, as a sophomore, had finished fifth
in the voting. But it was obvious he was a
big star and was going to have to stay at
least one more year at USC. And I was watching
practice and I was shown that that is Reggie's stepfather.

(31:48):
So I thought I'd walk up to him and sort
of introduce myself and sort of congratulated him, you know,
on this amazing Reggie Bush of performance. So I did.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
I introduced myself, and he immediately came at me with this.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
The ruining him. I'm sorry what they're ruining him? I'm like,
he was first team All American all Purpose, he was
fifth in the Heisman. How are they ruining him? He
needs to be running the ball. He needs to be
a full time running He's going on this rant, and
I'm thinking something's going on here. If you remember how

(32:27):
this whole thing came down, his stepfather cut a deal
with a couple of guys to have this house to
live in with Reggie's mom, with the weak wink that
they would be the agents for Reggie Bush once he
was emerging from the USC, and then he renegged on

(32:48):
the deal, so they blew the whistle, which led to
the investigation, with which led to the probation and the
forfeiting of wins and everything else. I to this day,
now Reggie has never called him out. I don't know
his relationship with his stepfather, but I imagine it's pretty good.
But I still maintained to this day Reggie Bush had
no clue what was going on that if even if
he were to ask his stepfather, he said, no, no, no,

(33:10):
don't worry about it. I'm just doing this on my own.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
That's always how I thought the situation was.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
I don't think this was not like that's how it
went down, and the penalty was way over the top.
I mean yeah, I mean what they did to the
USC program in terms of probation, stripping them of all
these scholarships and everything else, banning him from the university
for ten years, and of course stripping him of his

(33:37):
Heisman Trophy. Now I understand this about the Heisman Trophy,
and this is coming from someone that is very privileged
to be a Heisman voted the last fourteen years.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh vote, I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
I vote every year, thank you very much.

Speaker 5 (33:49):
Ill.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
But I have been in New York a couple of
times and visited the Heisman Trust, and these are friends
of mine, and they'll all say the exact same thing.
We want him to be part of the Heisman family.
We love everything about Reggie Bush. The reason we can't
give him back his Heisman, and again the Heisman sets

(34:11):
their own rules, is that according to.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
The NCAA, he didn't play that year.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
All the numbers that he put up in the year
that he won the Heisman Trophy were stripped by the
NCAA s he forfeited all their games that year. So
according to the NCAA, even though obviously they did play,
none of those games were actually in the record books.
So the Heisman Trust has always said the same thing.
If the NCAA reinstates his numbers, we will hand him

(34:41):
back his Heisman Trophy. Which is, by the way, why
they didn't hand the Heisman Trophy to Vince Young, who
finished second the voting, because he didn't win the Heisman.
Reggie Bush won the Heisman. So and that's why Reggie
assued the NCAA to get his numbers reinstated so that
he can be reinstated as a Heisman Trophy winner.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
This really has always been a story that I have
never understood why the nc DOUBLEA has like doubled down,
tripled down year after year when he did not. I agree,
I don't think he knew and I think it was
like ignorance's bliss. So they didn't tell him anything. But
he did not go and like make this money off

(35:21):
to the side. He didn't do any of that. And
to think that there aren't other players before this NIL deal,
other players out there that were also in some way benefiting,
you know, from their athleticism. I mean, did Lebron James
have a hummer when he was like fifteen years old
or sixteen years old, like they'll get me right, like
little things like that where we know this, So I've
never understood it. When I read the story about Johnny

(35:43):
Mansill saying this, I was like, yes, because now with NIL,
the nc DOUBLEA looks even.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Stupider well, and the idea that the NCAA can't reverse
a decision is wrong.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
It is, of course it is.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
When Joe Paterno and all the hullabaloo that happened at
Penn State Strip, they were stripped of a bunch of wins,
over one hundred wins.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Two years after coach Paterno passed away.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
They reinstated all of them to once again, at that
time making him the winningest coach in Division One history.
So it's not like the NCA has not reversed their
decisions in the past and reinstated numbers they had taken
off the books. It is time. It's ridiculous. I have
talked to you several dozens of Heisman winners over the years.
I remember Barry Sanders was on the show. I said, Barry,

(36:27):
let's say you're hanging out the Heisman house. There's a
knock at the door, and Reggie Bush is at the door,
and you let him in. He goes, of course, because
he's one of us. Yes se, all the Heisman winners
are with Johnny Manziel. He will always be a Heisman
Trophy winner, whether he actually owns a Heisman or not.
But it also affects at the university. Remember there are
two Heismans given out every year, one to the individual,

(36:50):
one to the university. You go to USC got all
these Heisman trophies, there's no Reggie Bush. He wants it back.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, I don't blame him. I don't blame them. It's time.

Speaker 2 (36:59):
All right, Speaking of time, it's time for another thing
that we need to talk about today. A little update
on the NFL Combine and what really matters you're gonna
find out. This is Fox Sports Saturday. You're listening to
Fox Sports Radio Radio Steve Harmin and Monsi Belagas. Here

(37:19):
Fox Sports Saturday. We're live from the Tiraq dot Com studios.
Coming up in a couple hours, are going to be
joined by Adam Kaplan, our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider.
He is in Indianapolis for the Combine and look, well,
you know, let it out. Well, this has been a

(37:42):
little bit different for me this year. I got rid
of Direct TV after one hundred years. I went to
Spectrum and I don't have the NFL network. I didn't
really realize it until like this week because normally I
would be watching a lot of the Combine. But I've
always come away with the Combine just shaking my head

(38:03):
in disbelief, like what is this? Yeah, I mean what
do we even watch it?

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And it seems like every year less and less participation,
and so really is it? You think it's going away?
Like that's happening?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
So how many times during the course of an actual
game do you see a player in shorts running forty
yards in a straight line with no one around them?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Is it that, Yeah, the whole game. I'm just kidding. Never,
not ever, not once.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
Is there a single thing they do during the combine
that actually translates to a game.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
No, unless you're just trying to see how far a
guy can throw right, But yeah, it's almost a bit
of a skills challenge here.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
Christy.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
Do you have that Caleb Williams sound that I heard
a little bit earlier one where.

Speaker 9 (38:55):
He's addressing the fantasy football writer who's badgering him. Yeah, okay,
so Caleb Williams is not there, nor why would he be.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
See, he's there, but he's not participating.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
He's not participating. And again, okay, this is Caleb Williams,
who will be the first overall pick in this year's
NFL draft. Caleb, are you afraid to compete? Are you
afraid to compete?

Speaker 3 (39:18):
How do you respond to people say that you're worried
to be compared side by side with your peers in medicals,
measurements and workouts.

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Are you afraid to be measured against those guy?

Speaker 5 (39:27):
One on one?

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Is that why you're not doing things? No, not doing things.
There's a decision by me and my team, my family,
and it comes.

Speaker 9 (39:36):
Down to that monsieur, you afraid to compete? Are you
a free compete? Is that why you're not in here
with Rob Parker? Are you afraid to compete?

Speaker 4 (39:43):
That question was so silly, scared, It was so over
the top.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
It was so silly.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Again. He also later talked about the fact like, if
you want to know what I can do on a
football field, I played thirty games at the collegiate level,
So you got twenty of films. And this is what
this has been my point about the combine forever. Okay,
I guess you have a certain athletic skills contest going on,
but what does that have to do with actually.

Speaker 4 (40:08):
Playing the game? I mean, can you play the game
or can you not play the game?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
It doesn't take into account the instincts the great players
have that puts them above the rest of the competition.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Listen, if you don't have a reason why the combine
is worth it, I really don't have one.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
You still need to be at baseline value. There's two
things that you need. You need the medicals and you
need interviews to sort of get of a feel if
they're the right field. Outside of that, the rest of
this is all made for TV stuff. We're going to
talk about the single greatest name in the sports world today.
On the other side, this is Fox Sports Saturday. Run

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dot com the way tire buying should be. So as
we have now turned the calendar to the month of March,
the single most talked about athlete in the country is
Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 8 (41:25):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
And I want to say something about the Kaitlin Clark
situation by preface in saying that Kaitlin Clark is an
unbelievable basketball player. I mean, she's a super, super talented
basketball player. So let me preface what I'm about to

(41:47):
say with that. So, she's about to come up on
the scoring record of Pete Maravich. And this is something
that has bothered me forever when it comes to women's sports. Now.
I went to UCLA, and the emergence of college basketball
for women really happened when I went to UCLA in

(42:10):
the late seventies. In fact, the first ever Women's Final
Four was held at poly Pavilion in nineteen seventy eight.
My UCLA Bruins, led by my dear friend Ann Myers
Hall of Fame Ann Myers, won the national championship that year,
and at that point Title nine had been in place
for about five years. And we've just seen a growth

(42:31):
in the game over these many, many many years. And
I've had a number of friends, Cheryl Miller, who I
still believe is the most talented women's basketball player that
I've ever seen. These are friends of mine, and I
fiercely protect their legacy by saying this. Every single time

(42:56):
that I hear some top women's record, whether it's a
team achievement, a coaching achievement, or a player achievement compared
to a man's, I cringe. And it's not because I
cringe from the man's standpoint. I cringe from the women's
standpoint because it seems like in order to justify their

(43:20):
numbers or to put some relevance to their numbers. They
need to be compared to a man's numbers, even though
they're completely separate sports, completely separate. To me, it does
a disservice to the women. If you want to compare
Caitlin Clark to Pete Maravich who played from nineteen sixty

(43:45):
seven to nineteen seventy and then and I saw this
ridiculous article trying to draw comparisons to the two in
their games. Their games are completely different, completely different. But
you know, you see a number and you want to

(44:05):
compare it. I mean, she's going to pass his career
total of points. She's played almost fifty more games than
he did. He also didn't have a three point line
when he played college basketball, nor was there a shot clock,
which means scoring was way down in those days because
teams purposely held the ball, so people like Pete Maravich

(44:27):
couldn't score as many points as he could. He still
averaged forty four points a game for his entire career.
So my point it's not that it does, you know,
a disservice to Pete Maravich's legacy. It's not allowing Caitlin
Clark's numbers to stand on their own. She doesn't need
to be compared to anybody. She's done enough in the

(44:49):
course of her career at Iowa to mark HER's place
in the annals of women's collegiate basketball, and to me,
that's enough.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
So I agree with a lot of what you said,
and then I think there's parts of it that you,
as a man, are never gonna understand, Like just women
in general. For some reason, it's never enough, and so
somebody always brings in the man to compare, which I'm like,
why why are we doing that? I never saw Pistol
Pete play, but I can tell you it was at

(45:23):
a very different time, and I can only assume a
very different skill set, a different style of play and
all of that. I don't know why the comparison of
them as players, But it doesn't bother me that you
read where you might read, oh, she just broke this,
she's doing this, and she's this close to reaching pistol
p I don't know why people get so angry about that.

(45:44):
She is going to break that record for men and women.
What's so bad about that?

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Now?

Speaker 1 (45:47):
The comparison of them as players, I one hundred percent
agree with you, why are we comparing that? But as
a footnote that she's also about to break that. I
don't get what the problem is as a footnote. Okay,
that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
All right, Well, then why aren't they making a point
that she will not break the record of pearl More. Now,
if you don't know who pearl More is, pearl More
actually holds the collegiate record for most points in a
collegiate career. In fact, she earned a spot in the
Nasmith Basketball Hall of Fame. And you're saying, who the hell.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Is pearl More?

Speaker 2 (46:23):
So pearl More played her collegiate basketball at let's see,
where was it, Francis Marion University. She scored more than
four thousand points in her career, averaging better than thirty
points a game. In fact, at the time, she broke
the record of a guy named Travis Grant, who actually

(46:44):
holds the all college record. He broke a record of
Pete Maravich. But she is the all time score period
four thousand and sixty one points and Kaylin Clark is
not going to get to that number. So again, if
you're just throwing numbers out there in terms of breaking
this record, she's the all time leading scorer, well, then, actually,

(47:05):
the all time leading scorer in the history of women's
college basketball is named Pearl Moore. She's a year older
than I am, so she's not like, you know, played
seventy years ago or anything like that. So this is
my whole point. And by the way, when we talk
about the greatest women's college basketball player of all time,

(47:27):
there's one name that stands out among all the others.
The reason at Kareem abdul Jabbar is rated the greatest
college basketball player of all time is because he won
championships all three years he was at UCLA and was
the MOP most Outstanding player all three times. Well, on
the women's side, you actually have someone that did better

(47:49):
than that, Breonna Stewart, who of course is now the
reigning WNBA MVP. In her four years at Yukon, their
record was one hundred and fifty one and five. They
had two perfect seasons, they won four straight NCAA championships,
and she was the MOP in all four. So to

(48:09):
say that, like, well, you know, Caitlin Clark's the greatest
women's basket she's not. If you go by the numbers.
Bianna Stewart is literally by herself, four time All American,
four time MOP, four National Championships. And by the way,
she's a two time MVP in the WNBA, so her
winning ways of continuing once she moved to the professional ranks.

(48:31):
So why isn't Breonna Stewart in the same mention with
Caitlyn Clark.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I can give you several reasons as to why. I
think social media is one of them because back then
maybe people weren't able to see them. One of them
social media. People weren't able to see Brianna Stewart the
way that you're able to see Kaitlyn Clark in the
blink of an eye.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
You just look it up, you're gonna see she Stewart
was playing in twenty sixteen, but.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
It wasn't the same. It still wasn't the same. But
I think that a lot of people are giving Kaitlyn
Clark so much credit is because she into Iowa, not Yukon,
which is already a big school that was already winning.
Iowa was nobody, Okay, and m stay there and put.

Speaker 8 (49:10):
Them on the map.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
So I think that's that's a big reason she's getting
more credit then maybe she would be getting if she
went elsewhere.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Okay, So Iowa got to the national championship game and
got blown out by LSU.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yes, they did. But Iowa also beat South Carolina in
the final four and they've only lost one game in
how many right?

Speaker 3 (49:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (49:28):
And the mop of the final four last year was
Angel Reese LSU.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
So again, if you're if you're depends again what you're
looking at. Pete Maravich in this three years of varsity,
was an eligible as a freshman, never played in the
NCAA tournament. Now, the nca tournament was different in those days.
To qualify, team had to win the conference championship. There
was no second, third, fourth place. It was a much
smaller field. You had to win your conference, which LSU

(49:54):
never did when he was there, So he never got
to actually play in the NCAA tournament. So what matters
to you in terms of determining the best? And again
this is that going back to the whole goat thing.
Is it about individual numbers or is it about winning championships?
And so this again, this is not to diminish in

(50:17):
any way what Caitlin Clark has done. This I will
concede to her. Though we've never had a women's basketball
player draw more intention attention in terms of people literally
going out of their way to get a seat to
a game she plays in, whether it's at home or

(50:39):
on the road, to actually see her play. Yeah, I've
never seen anything like that on the women's side.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Never. Another thing that I'm only guessing here that people
see Kitlyn Clark a little bit like what we said
last week or two weeks ago about Steph Curry that
she just seems more relatable, Like she doesn't seem like
she's gonna go out there and kill you with her shot,
but she does. And so she looks flashy, and I
know that's not necessarily a good enough reason as to

(51:08):
why she's getting so much attention, but she does it
in a flashy way. Well you know what, You look
at her and you're kind of like, man, that was
a crazy shot, and now just what she has ten
crazy shots in a week.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
ESPN's Holly row who covers obviously a lot of the
women's games then hats for many many years. She does
a great job. She made the comparison to Taylor Swift. Okay,
she's she goes she's Taylor Swift of Women's a girl
next door. Well, it's just the idea that there's something
about her, the ras people to want to see her.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
It's almost like an X factor. You can't really pin rite.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah, I agree with that, and that seems like an
accrid description. But like I said, in terms of her
place in history and the idea, and again I this,
I just cringe every time they try to compare. I
remember when Yukon won ninety in a row, breaking UCLA's

(52:10):
record of eighty eight. They're not the same sport. They
don't play against each other. There's it's it's like tennis.
It's like trying to compare Serena Williams to Djokovic. It
was it was funny, like you have Serena, you know,
passing let's say Federer. Well, no one said Djokovic just

(52:32):
passed Serena. No one said that. No one would say that, yes,
And so this is why I'm so frustrated. From the
women's standpoint. The women have earned the right to stand
on their own. They don't need to be compared in
any way to the men's game. They don't compete against
the men. They don't play the same sport as the men.

(52:53):
So the I and by the way, there's no NCAA
record book that includes the records of men and women
to get they have separate record books. You don't have
any record book that lists the name of Pete Marovitch
next to Caitlin Clark. This is manufactured stuff that, in
my opinion, is completely unnecessary.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
You're not wrong about that. You are not wrong that
it is unnecessary and that Kaitlyn Clark should not need
to be compared. You're not wrong in all of that.
But another thing that I'm gonna add to us to
why I think Kitlyn Clark is this big star in
front of our eyes. I just think that a lot
of stars have aligned for her. The WNBA hasn't been

(53:34):
the most popular, but it has grown in popularity. We
can go back years, starting with Kandice Parker great. We
can go to Sabrina Unescu, who was very good friends
with Kobe and Kobe would go to games with his
daughter to watch them. Little by little, WNBA has grown.
I went to a Las Vegas Aces game last year.
It was a sold out game, sold out game. People

(53:55):
were chanting like I was like, you guys are a
real fan base, Like they had things that they were
all chanting, and I was very surprised because you get
this idea nobody goes to WNBA games. Boy was I wrong.
That thing was a sold out crowd. So I think
the stars have aligned in a way for her where
it's just a perfect time to be this flashy X

(54:17):
factor player on a team that nobody was really following
a couple of years ago, and then social media, Like honest,
it's just a lot of different factors as to why
she has come to the top and pushed to this pedestal.
Let's say when you can compare how many players because
I didn't watch Cheryl Miller play, but I remember like
watching videos of her growing up and I was like,

(54:40):
this girl can play in the NBA. That's what I
remember thinking when I was little.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
Well, and obviously she schooled her younger brother Reggie. Yeah,
it goes about that. Look at I remember when Candas
Parker was at Tennessee and I'm thinking of myself seeing her.
I mean you talk about checking every box, yep. I
mean she was the best player in the contrary, she
had the look, she had everything, and I said, if
there's ever going to be a woman that's gonna take

(55:05):
the WNBA to the next level. And by the way,
she was rookie of the Air, an MVP of first Year.
But here's what happens. It's much noise. As Caitlin Clark
is making the collegiate level. We've seen this before, and
to be honest with you, they go to the WNBA
and their star power diminishes. It does not grow in
the WNBA for whatever reason. I'm not sure why, but

(55:28):
the fact is we've seen some top level collegiate stars
who are getting a lot of attention and then they
go to the WNBA and it's not the same.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I am curious. You make a really good point about
that because Sabrina Yunescu was a big name and then
she went, you know, to the WNBA and like she
kind of her name kind of died down. We were
just talking about the lines. People get in to watch
Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
This will be the best thing.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
This is gonna be a big test our w NBA
game is gonna bring it.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
Like if she goes to someone, can she be like
MESSI is to mls oh where you bring in the
biggest name in the world and all of a sudden,
at least in matches that he's involved with, it's huge.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Yeah, no matter where he goes.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It's gonna be a big test. Because it's gonna be
a really big test and I'm looking for I'm.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Gonna be going to watch.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
W Moore WNBA games. I went to see the aces
just because the aces are stacked and I wanted to
see you know what I mean. Like now it's like,
where's Iowa Clark? Where i Where's Caitlin Clark going? We
should go watch that game.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
We'll see how this works out. Montsey again, I wish
her art nothing but the best. She is entertaining. Uh
and right in the moment, she is the name in
college basketball. So what does that mean for the men's game?
As we are just a couple of weeks away from
selection Sunday, We're gonna break down the odyssey that is

(56:50):
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We've got a lot of ground to cover coming up
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(57:31):
We're talking about Caitlin Clark. She has run circles around
anyone on the men's side in terms of name recognition
on the collegiate game this year. But this is a
pattern that we have seen for several years on the
men's side. So I'm looking at a list of MPs
that's the most outstanding players, not the MVP. It's always

(57:53):
been MP when it comes to the final four and
you go back in time, right and you see, you know,
Bill Russell, Will Chamberlain, l Jim Baylor, Jerry West, lu
Al Cinder, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Bill Walton, Irvin Johnson, Magic There,
Isaiah Thomas, Carmelo, Anthony see all these recognizable names. But

(58:14):
since Anthony Davis helped Kentucky and coach CalWIN his one
championship back in twenty twelve, the other ten names, Remember
there was no tournament in twenty twenty because of the
COVID showdown is literally a who's who of who's that?
Like we're talking about Luke Hancock or Tias Jones or
Joel Barry or Kyle Guy. I mean guys that may

(58:40):
have gotten a sniff in the NBA but obviously never
attained any star or attain any star level at the
NBA level, And so you would think when you're void
of stars on the men's side. I mean, we talk
about Edie obviously at Perdue, right why is he still
at Perdue Because he wouldn't have on anywhere in the

(59:00):
NBA draft. He's a big guy who moves really slow,
and his game doesn't translate to the NBA level. Look
at Drew Timmy Dominate Jimmy three time All American against Zaga.
Where is he right now? So it's a very different game.
I say this with college football as well. Just because

(59:22):
you're a superstar college player and it doesn't translate to
the NFL doesn't diminish at all what you did at
the college game. It's a different sport. I talked about
the Caitlin Clark It's a different sport and it's a
very different game in college basketball than it is in
the NBA. What doesn't change on the men's side is

(59:44):
the uniqueness of the NCAA tournament. Almost every American, without exception,
will fill out a bracket.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
It is quite incredible because seriously, I just looked up
like top NBA draft prospects because I don't know of
any name off the top of my head.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
This projected draft doesn't include any of these.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I'm looking at all. This guy's in France. All, this
guy's in France.

Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
Oh, this guy's in Serbia or Elite or the or
the NBA League NBA, Yeah, all.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Like the name we keep hearing is Brownie James. That's
the one name I can tell you that's we talked
about as a prospect. Aside from that, but you're not
on any breathless he's not anymore, right, But that's the
one new average.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Five points and three rebounds a game this year.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Understandably, Why so why he's not a team. But you're right,
March madness brings everyone together. It doesn't matter everyone's coming together.
I'm gonna fill out a bracket. I don't care. Why
is that?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Is?

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
Just? It is? It is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
There's nothing like it, right, because it's winner go home.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Because those first two days, you know, and I'm not
talking about the first four, you know, those couple of games, yeah,
before you get to you, yeah, the field of sixty four.
But that Thursday and Friday, sixteen games each of those days,
which I have said numerous times should be a national hall.
Nobody's doing anything other than staring at their brackets. You

(01:01:04):
got eight games in the morning, eight in the afternoon
both Thursday and Friday, and you're sitting there either crossing
out and hoping that you get to the weekend and
you don't have a busted bracket. And so as the
tournament unfolds, players that are completely anonymous, completely anonymous before
the tournament will emerge. And you know last year's final four,

(01:01:28):
you had Yukon, but Yukon hadn't been there in a while. Yeah,
And then you get Miami of Florida. Yeah, I mean
that's a football school. And then you had Florida Atlantic.
And then of course a team I was close to
at the time, San Diego State, Yes, who never been
obviously to a Final four. And when Lama Butler hit
that game winner against Florida Atlantic, you know, to get

(01:01:49):
him into the championship game, people went crazy and all
of a sudden people are talking about him. So it's
just the one and done uniqueness upsets early exactly, and
it'll carry you all the way to the end. It's
just the fact that there's nothing like the NCAA basketball tournament,
so it creates its own star power.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Where the beginning of that tournament is just as important,
if not more important, that the end. You're not waiting
for the end. You know, we were like, oh, I'll watch,
you know, the end of the playoffs, the end of this.
But if you don't watch the first two days, your
bracket is not gonna look like what you think. It's
gonna look like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Everybody's watching the first.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Two everybody's that's the beauty of it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:30):
Nine in the morning in the West Coast until midnight
till the end.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You don't want to miss it. And again, it doesn't matter,
it literally does not matter that there's no top nbaight
prospects that we are talking about in these teams, We're
all gonna be so glued to the television for two days.

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Yeah, well, the first two days and then if your
brackets are holding up, then you go for a couple
of more weeks it's a little rough for me this
year because my UCLA bruins are not good. You know,
it's get hammered the other night by UW there. They're
not gonna get out of the Pac twelve tournament. They
have to win that. They're not going to get an
n BID.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
I'm not quite sure why the NIT still exists. That is,
I remember UCLA won the n I T one year
and that was they were like making a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
I'm like, don't embarrass me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Is it like a participation in trophy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I mean it's like, come on, I mean it was.
It was embarrassing, like they they made a page for them.
You know, they had at that time ten NCAA champions
hu and then NI teacher, I go, no, no, no,
We've had teams make it to the final NCAA game
or get it to the final four.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
That trump's any any any This is.

Speaker 9 (01:03:34):
A whole lot of slender against a tournament that used
to be considered much more prestigious than the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Well it was in fact as recently and this is
not recent, but in my world, I remember this nineteen
seventy when Al McGuire was coaching Marquette. They turned down
an NCAA bid to play in the n I T
And by the way, they get to Madison Square Guard
and that was the big draw always at NIT. The
final fours at Madison Square Garden. That Marquette team played LSU,

(01:04:02):
led by Pete Maravich, was his final collegiate game, and
Marquette held him to twenty points and beat him. They
had a guard named Dean the Dream Memager who would
later play for the Knicks. By the way, great name
Dean the dream All right, Uh stopped me before I
really lose it going down memory lane, dream.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Being the Dream Manager. But right now, let's find out what.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Is Martin the Master? No, Martin the Michigan Man.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
There you go, National champion Michigan man like that, there
you go.

Speaker 8 (01:04:35):
Speaking of college sports, we have a big basketball slate
on display today. All of these in the second half
of about ten minutes left Iowa State and UCF. Iowa
was staying with a three point lead, forty two to
thirty nine North Carolina n C State.

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
This has been nip and tuck all day.

Speaker 8 (01:04:53):
North Carolina fifty six, NC State, fifty two, Mississippi.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
State, and Auburn and Auburn with a ten point lead.

Speaker 8 (01:04:58):
Fifty to forty South Florida and Charlotte, South Florida with
the fifteen point lead fifty nine to forty four. We
got one NBA game in progress right now. The Jazz
lead the Heat with two in it's left in the
first quarter twenty six to twenty four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
Games that have already been played in the NBA. I'll
start there. The Nets beat the Hawks one fourteen to
one oh two.

Speaker 8 (01:05:17):
McHale bridges with thirty eight and then college basketball creating
beat Marquette eighty nine to seventy five. Is the first
win for the Blue Jays over the Golden Eagle since
March tenth. Twenty twenty two, Baylor beat Kansas eighty two
to seventy four.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Illinois on the road beat Wisconsin eighty nine to eighty three. Razorbacks.

Speaker 8 (01:05:35):
Arkansas Razorbacks dropped to five and eleven in conference players
as Kentucky beats them one eleven to one oh two.
In South Carolina beat Florida eighty two to seventy six.
In the NFL, we have the Athletic reporting that Roncos
quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut as soon as
next week. Thirteen year veteran left tackle Tyron Smith unlikely
to re sign with Dallas after he and Jerry Jones

(01:05:56):
cannot agree on a new contract. He's been Tyron Smith
is been a Cowboys entire career and an eight time
Pro Bowler. Also a guy who's been on the same
team as whole career. Mike Evans is expected to test
free agency, with reports saying he wants to play with
an elite quarterback he played like a top wide out
and compete for a Super Bowl, but not not quite
ruling out a return to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
Tampa Bay.

Speaker 8 (01:06:19):
Former Chargers head coach Brandon Stanley will join the forty
nine ers as an assistant head coach. Forty nine Ers
also promoting defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorenson as to
the new defensive coordinator position. The LSU quarterback Jade Daniels
and wide receiver elite neighbors did not participate in getting
measured in the combine, and Jade Daniels didn't even throw.
He said they would do that at their pro day
later this month in Baton Rouge. And finally, Steve, you

(01:06:42):
just mentioned this a couple of minutes ago, and so
did I. For that matter, twenty twelve Heisman Trophy winner
Johnny Manziel he will boycott the annual Heisman Trophy ceremony
until two thousand and five winner from USC, Reggie Bush,
gets his Heisman Trophy back, Steve Montcey Back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Well, and, as we said a little bit earlier, not
going to happen unless the ANCA reinstates his numbers from
that season. That's the excused Heisman Trust makes that we
had to take it away from him because according to
the NCA, he didn't even play that year. He has
no numbers, although we beg to differ. Thank you very much, Marvel.
Check in with you a little bit later on once again,
We're coming you live from the tai Iraq dot com studios.

(01:07:22):
Let me ask you this. If somebody termed you Moncey normal,
would that be an insult to you?

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Ah?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I no, no, Well how about this? So show Hey
Otani made a revelation this week that came out of
nowhere because nobody, and I mean nobody knew. Show Hey
Otani got married to a person that he described as
either normal or ordinary, like a normal person or ordinary

(01:07:57):
person depending on the translation. And I'm thinking to myself,
you could have said, well, you don't know her, but
she's extraordinary, or she's very special, or she's the most
amazing woman that I've ever been around. These are usually
things that happen when guys get married, you know, wow,

(01:08:18):
when you decide on a life partner, you use those terms.
But Otani described a woman that they're still trying to
figure out who she is. No one is I actually
identified who this woman is. But he is describer as
either normal or an ordinary person.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Yeah, so I think there's It's really simple. We have
known that shohe Atani is pretty private, and he's probably
doing this on purpose, so to tell people, yeah, I'm married,
she's normal, and then that maybe people don't dig into it,
don't dig into her. I think there was a reason
behind why he chose those words.

Speaker 4 (01:08:56):
But isn't she a gotta be upset by being described?

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Because understand this, he is the biggest celebrity in Japan,
right the bar none, Okay, he is at any level entertainment,
whatever you want to use as a gauge as far
as stardom in Japan, show, Hey, Otani's at the top
of the list.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
So when he speaks it goes all over the place.

Speaker 2 (01:09:21):
He has just described you now his wife as either
normal or ordinary.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
I'm not saying it was the right choice. I just
think he thought it was the smart choice, that maybe
he was protecting her, protecting them, protecting their life. Again,
I don't know if it's the right choice, because he
is so popular that people are still going to be
interested in finding out. But if he would have said,
she's the most beautiful, amazing woman I've ever met, you

(01:09:49):
be right about oh, you know, And maybe he just
thought if he kind of just like made it not
a big deal, that people would think it's not a
big deal. Hold on you, all right, he takes a
step to the left, and it's a big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
According to the translation, he said, the actual thing was,
she's a normal Japanese woman, right, And I would imagine
there are women in Japan saying, what does that mean?
What is there a normal Japanese woman as opposed to
an abnormal Japanese woman.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Well, what if there's not a language barrier, but a
language barrier where it sounds different because there are things
like in Spanish where like if I were to translate
it to you word for word, it's like this is
a translation, but that's not what I'm saying, even though
that's the literal translation. So maybe there's a bit of
a language barrier where the way he said it, it
does not come off like that, but that's the actual

(01:10:41):
translation for us, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Here's what I recommend.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
I recommend a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Yeah, speaks English, Okay, some he's been studying
English and I actually heard him, and you know it
was labored, but I mean he made the effort. I

(01:11:13):
would recommend for Sho hey Otani because I remember when
Fernando Vealnezuela hit the scene in Los Angeles, Fernando Mania.
He was a twenty year old kid and he was
trying to learn English, spoke Spanish, had an interpreter at
all times. Yes, And this went on for a few years,
a couple of years. Well, and then there was Mike

(01:11:34):
Breeder the where are the.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Guys with him a lot?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
Yeah, yeah, and then one year he showed up.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
And he just spoke English. That he made it an
effort and obviously is bilingual and has been ever very since.
But it was it was big because he had a
huge fan base not only from the Spanish speaking community,
but the English speaking community. I highly recommend it because
if something's being lost in translation, then that's on you.

(01:12:03):
It really is, because it didn't come off great in
terms of yeah, she's just a normal Japanese woman. And
it's like you're describing your wife. You're describing your wife
as an ordinary woman.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
I'm having a hard time believing that this was not
a conversation that he had with his wife prior to
saying this information. And I get, like, say it in English,
I get what you're saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:35):
But I mean, you could say she's not a celebrity.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
That's fine, and.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Maybe maybe that's what he's trying to say. Maybe it's like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
A regular woman.

Speaker 4 (01:12:45):
She is a regular woman, And I really you married.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
A regular woman?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Yeah, who given one? Normal?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
See when you're no guy marries a normal woman. In
their eyes, there's something very special about that woman. That's
why you're.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Marrying her, right, But what if this was strategic I'm
telling you it was to make it seem like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
The strategy worked. And by the way, at some point
we're gonna find out who she is and then she's
just gonna be tagged normal Japanese woman.

Speaker 1 (01:13:15):
But what if she's super hot and they're like, oh,
she was not normal, but Shohy was trying to protect her.

Speaker 4 (01:13:21):
What if he was trying to protect her, hide her forever.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
We don't have nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
We don't And that's the whole he's.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I know, he actually dated a very well known Japanese
athlete at one point, beautiful girl back in the day.
There are pictures if you go, if you, if you
that's not his wife, that's someone he dated in the past.
I just the whole thing just seemed wow.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
You know, I just think he gets a lot of
advice that you and I don't know. Yes, you are
Steve Hartman, and everybody knows who you are, but you
go to Japan and you go somewhere else, I'm not
gonna who you are. I think you can push show
he in the middle of any country, kind of like
Taylor Swift, and they know who he is. So maybe
this is just advice that he's getting as to how

(01:14:10):
to handle the extra attention now that he is a Dodger,
because he was already famous in La with the Angels.

Speaker 4 (01:14:18):
All right, Chris has been thinking about this, what do
you have to add here, Court, I think.

Speaker 9 (01:14:21):
I think there is something lost being lost in translation.
There is I think a different level of cultural humility
that is kind of expected for a Japanese athlete as well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
That's that's factoring into this.

Speaker 9 (01:14:34):
They doesn't want to make a big deal out of it,
and he's already been a very private guy. We didn't
know the name of his dog for a while, and like.

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
I crazy for that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
So imagine his wife.

Speaker 9 (01:14:44):
Yes, I'm sure, I'm sure part of that is he
doesn't want her to have, you know, to get whatever
kind of attention comes on to it for good or
mostly for or for ill on a lot of this
so I think it's just a it's it's a patswoas
of different things that is happening here that again just
doesn't translate into what we expect from our athletes, which
is braggadocio.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
The Dodgers throw out seven hundred million dollars, this guy, yeah,
to hit the ball, not to have a supermw You
can play an anonymity, Mike trottis preferred. That's why he
remains an Angel and will for the rest of his career.
When he signed with the Dodgers, if he wasn't aware
of what signing with the Dodgers does in terms of
expectations in increasing your profile. He's in for root awakening.

Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
Now, that is an excellent point that you are making,
Steve Harmon. If you do sign with the Dodgers, you
have to know what you're getting yourself into the attention
the scrutiny. You make a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Cavino and Rich who are here Monday through Friday, they
say that his wife are like, he did this so
that the girls in LA would leave him alone, and
it's like, that's not gonna work. Him saying that he's
married and has a normal and that's not gonna work
with her, Like he did this so that the LA
girls know that he's taken into back off. Oh, nobody's
gonna back off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
No, If anything, it increases the desire, Yes, Martin.

Speaker 8 (01:16:05):
So the first news really a show after he signed
the contract of the Dodgers was that he bought Ashley Kelly,
Joe Kelly's wife a Porsche.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Right, right, So does.

Speaker 8 (01:16:14):
Joe Kelly now buy sho heo Tani's wife like a
Toyota Corolla, are like a Honda a Cord because she's
because I said, you know, it's a normal Is she
a fornfusion, because like she's a.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
Normal person, she's normal. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:16:27):
See, I think that's a good question as well, Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
I mean, you got to break these things down, you know,
you really got to dive in here.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Yes, I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
By the way, I do. Remember when I got married,
I've never been more popular with them ladies. Oh my,
once you put that ring on, it was like, hello,
then you should put one back on, exactly right. No, no, no,
I'm going to say this once. I've had friends that
wear rings that have never been married for that specific purpose.

(01:16:57):
It's it's like it's like a radar. Yeah, enough of this,
all right? Coming up on the other side, What else
is coming on in spring training? Yeah, but that's right,
we got some baseball going on. This is Fox Sports Saturday,
Steve Hartman and Moncey Belanga's here Fox Sports Saturday, coming
alive from the tairaq dot Com studios, entertained by our

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off air commisation.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
You to write a tell all book. Like my face
hurts from laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:17:28):
And I.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
You know, I remember when Bill Clinton wrote his autobiography
and I think he had just turned fifty or he
was at something like that. He said that if you've
lived half a century, no matter who you are, you
have a book in you. Yeah, Like I mean people
that will cross paths with anybody over the course of

(01:17:53):
half a century. Everyone's got a book.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
But not everybody has a book worth three reading. I
think yours is worth reading.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
Well, I do have I do have a remarkable memory
for things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
You really do? You really?

Speaker 8 (01:18:09):
You you guy?

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
I wish you guys could hear these stories because they're
so wild, And he says it like it's not a
big deal.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
I've always felt like so many of the weird things
that I've I mean weird on the outside looking in,
we're just sort of being in a certain place at
a certain time and nothing was planned, you know, like
like the forest gum thing with you, You're just like
this feather floating around, and that's sort of the way
it is. I've always felt like I'm more the observer

(01:18:38):
in life than I am the person that is the
and then I fall into things that I'm like, how
did I get here? What happened here? That happens to
me a lot. Yeah, but you know a lot of
times what happens is I will take a step back,
if you're if you're in a moment. We all have these.
You know, our life's like a series of snapshots, right, yeah.

(01:18:58):
You know, much of our life is very mundane, routine,
and then all of a sudden, something happens in a moment,
and now it becomes seared.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
In your mind like a memory forever.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
And when I sometimes the thing about it is I
recognize those moments when they're actually happening, and I literally
will like take a step back.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Like and take a snapshot.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
How am I here in this moment?

Speaker 3 (01:19:27):
So I do.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
It's like a snapshot here.

Speaker 5 (01:19:29):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
By the way, getting back to the Dodgers, very briefly
or in spring training, as we know, Tani is not
going to be pitching this year as he recovers from
the Tommy John surgery. He will d eight this season,
and I'm sure he'll do a great job at that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
His future is a pitcher after two Tommy John's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
We'll see. But the guy that will be pitching for
the Dodgers this year is already the highest paid pitcher
in baseball, even though he hasn't twitched a single game
at the major league level. And that's Yoshi Nobu. Yamamoto.
So he had his first spring training outing. He's not
He's a little guy physically. He's a very small guy.

(01:20:07):
Sort of reminds me of Pedro Martinez back in the day,
who wasn't the biggest guy, but he was just filthy
everything he threw. And that's what I'm seeing with Yamamoto.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
This guy seen Rose nineteen were strikes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Yeah, this unblievable stuff. His curveball is uncross hittable.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
It's gross.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
When you look at filthy. So he's a guy I
am definitely looking forward to watching this year. All right,
coming up, Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider, joins us live
from Indy.

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Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Your boyfriend is gonna he's gonna get one cookie.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
One gonna be mine, you know that share one?

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
Yes, I may share with my nephews because we're going
to see my nephews today. One nephew is going to
be three later this year. Ethan is only a month old.
So I guess Ethan probably my brother won't want me
to give him piece of my cookie. But Jasper is
definitely going to enjoy this cookie. Yeah, Jasper knows that
if I'm around, he gets sweets.

Speaker 4 (01:21:35):
Yeah, nothing sweeter in that cookie.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
No Patrick mahomes of cookies.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
As we are in the NFL combine, Adam Kaplan's going
to be joining us our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider
will come along in about fifteen minutes of show. He
of course in Indianapolis, so he's going to give us
a first hand look at what's going on there. But
as usual, we're sitting here to fucking quarterbacks, because this
is what it's all about. I was listening to Jonas

(01:22:07):
earlier today and he was talking about, you know, possibilities
for landing spots for some of the veteran quarterbacks. Because really,
before you even get to the draft. You have to
deal with free agency, any possible trades before teams finally decide,
all right, our choices to go through the draft to
get our franchise quarterback. By the way, last week, I

(01:22:29):
made it infinitely clear in my opinion, there are thirty
two teams in the NFL and only one of them
has a franchise quarterback, and that's the Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
City chief Yes, yes, you've mentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
I mean again, what exactly defines a franchise quarterback? Is
it someone that could possibly win you a championship or
someone that has actually won a championship. Because outside of
the Chiefs, there's only two other teams that currently have
a quarterback that won a Super Bowl. That would be

(01:23:00):
the Ransom Matthew Stafford, who obviously is on the backside
of his career, and that would be the Jets with
Aaron Rodgers, and we're not sure how he's going to
come back after blowing his achilles. I would not put
them in the same conversation right now with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Aaron Rodgers has heard what you've said, He's going to
come back and have the career the year of his life.
Just to stick it to you, Steve Hartman.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
Okay, he's been to one Super Bowl in his entire career,
one one. I mean, again, I don't know how you
define franchise quarterback. But to me, and again this comes
from my Raider roots working for Al Davis, it's about championships.
When I joined the Raiders, Jim Plunkett had just won

(01:23:43):
his second Super Bowl and we had a young quarterback
named Mark Wilson who had been an All American at BYU.
In a lot of ways, he was a better quarterback.
He could throw the ball better and everything else. But
I can tell you this, in the huddle, there was
no comparison because that guy, Jim play had won two
Super bowl That's a franchise quarterback. When you've won the
big one. When you can get in that huddle and

(01:24:05):
say I can lead you to a championship and I
have it on my resume that I've done that, that
to me defines a franchise quarterback. Josh Allen, Joe Burrow.
I mean, there's a lot of really outstanding quarterbacks in
the league, but they're not franchise quarterbacks in my opinion,

(01:24:25):
because they haven't won a championship, which I would imagine
is the goal of all thirty two teams.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
That is the goal of all thirty two teams. But unfortunately,
there's this guy named Patrick Mahomes and he is the outlier.
And so I think Rich hit it on the head
last week. Rich Orenberger, who we work with on Sundays,
where it's like I mentioned Dak Prescott is your franchise quarterback.
But I like what Rich said where it's like they
give you a chance. That is a franchise quarterback along

(01:24:55):
with other things. I also think like Dak. You know,
for example, you may not believe if he gives you
a chance, but Dak is associated with the Cowboys. Dak
is the face Dak brings in people. Dak makes you
talk about the Cowboys, whether it's good or bad. That
is your franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Okay, let me stop you right there on him. He
is the reason we talk about the Cowboys, because we
talk about the Cowboys failure in the postseason. We talk
about a team that hasn't forget getting to a super Bowl,
they haven't even been in a conference championship game in
twenty eight years.

Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
And he's just like Tony Romo was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
It's the same quarterback where he can put up some
flashy numbers in the regular season, but in crunch time
he doesn't deliver. He's won two playoff games. Lamar Jackson
has won two playoff games. He's there that doesn't use it.
Why he's a two time MVP. That's great, But again,
define franchise quarterback. If franchise quarterback to you is someone

(01:25:56):
that gives you a shot, better shots than any numbers
get into the postseason. By the way, fourteen of the
thirty two teams get into the playoffs. That's almost half.

Speaker 3 (01:26:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
So I don't know how much of an accomplishment that
is to sneak in as a wild card and get
elimonade in the first round. I don't know if that really,
you know, checks the box of some kind of great
achievement if you're a quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:26:20):
I know this.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Joe Flacco was in as many playoff games this year
as Dak Prescott was.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Yeah. Yeah, and you know, arguablely Joe Flacco's not a
franchise quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:26:30):
He was sitting on the couch or laying on the couch.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah, there's just unfortunate. There's not a specific list, you
know what I mean. And part of it is the
eye test part of it is like, what what do
you do for me? Do you bring in numbers even
if it's even it's just so many different things, and
I feel that it's like, we know Patrick Mahomes is
the best, but he is the outlier. So amongst the

(01:26:53):
rest of them, who is going to give us a chance?
Tom Brady was awesome, but he didn't win every single year,
so we can.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Only everbody won seven, right, But that's a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
But I'm saying, like, we know Patrick Mahomes is probably
gonna win some more, but he's not gonna probably win
every year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:09):
Somebody. Mark Jackson, Josh Allen, Dak Prescott have all been
to the same number of Super Bowls zero and.

Speaker 1 (01:27:17):
They're all franchise quarterbacks for their teams.

Speaker 2 (01:27:20):
Well, that's unfortunate for those franchises because you know, getting
into the playoffs, although nice is not the end goal.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
But wouldn't you say that they're in the next tier,
like it's we're gonna again, Patrick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Now you got it. Next tier. So if you have
one franchise quarterback, Patrick Mahomes, then the next list is
definitely at the second next tier, right, But that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Doesn't make them not franchise quarterbacks, then what are you
gonna do. You're gonna keep switching your quarterback every year.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
Well, no, they're what we call potential franchise quarterback. If
they can win a Super Bowl eventually, then they can
actually step up into that franchise level.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
So if you would have been running the Green Bay
Packers with Aaron Rodgers, he wasn't your franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Aaron Rodgers again has been to one Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
He was like at the time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees are very similar quarterbacks. They
both went to one Super Bowl, which both won. That
won Super Bowl. Another quarterback that did that, who was
in the playoffs a lot of times, got to one
super Bowl, won that Super Bowl and was a Super
Bowl MVP is Joe Flacco. So does anybody put Joe
Flacco in the conversation with Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
If the answer is no, why not? And that is
because their resume are the same.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
They each went to one super Bowl, won the Super Bowl,
where the MVP of the Super Bowl same resume.

Speaker 1 (01:28:37):
But come on the eye test, you knew that Joe
Flacco did not have the talent that Aaron Rodgers had.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
Well, again, the talent to do.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
What, the talent to throw, to the instinct to throw
the ball. Come on, you saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I did this in San Diego for years of Philip Rivers,
who I loved on an individual basis. I mean, his
golly g attitude was hilarious. He was also one of
the greatest trash talkers in NFL his without ever uttering
a curse word.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
Oh, I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
He was also a father of I think it's up
to ten.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
But he said, everyone's like, he's a franchise quarterback. I said,
in the decade of the twenty tens. He started all
one hundred and sixty games for the Chargers in that decade,
never missed a single start, and the record was seventy
seven and eighty three and they made two appearances during
that decade as a wildcard team. Now I'm like, how

(01:29:28):
is that a franchise quarterback? Well, he made seven Pro
Bowls during the decade. And then I say he was
seventy seven to eighty three. Well he doesn't play defense.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Yeah, because the skill was there, the talent was there,
and you thought there was hope. That's I feel like
that's really yes, hope that he could take you beyond
the wildcard, you know, But that's really what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
Everybody in Hall of Fames that you know, they had
the talent to be a Hall of Famer, but there
were extending, wating circumstances.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
The amount of people in the Halls of Fame would
double overnight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
There's been a lot of players all he had Hall
of Fame talent, okay, but he didn't have a Hall
of Fame resume.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
And that's I mean, I think that's a separate conversation.
But it's like, once you've decided to keep your quarterback
past whatever four or five years, and you extend them,
they're your franchise quarterback. You've made that decision. Now do
you pull the rug from under Dak Prescott? What else
is out there? And I use him just because I
feel like he's He's a controversial one right now, you know,

(01:30:25):
when it comes to is he your franchise? I think
he is? And what else are they gonna do? Like
all of these, all of the ones, what are the
Ravens gonna do? Where you're getting rid of Lamar Jackson, No,
the Bills, You're gonna get somebody else before besides Josh Allen, No,
you're not. That is your franchise quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
Well, if their career ends and none of them make
it to a super Bowl in the end, you'll have
to look back and say, were they actually franchise quarterbacks?
I mean, look at all three of those guys talking
about Josh al Lamar Jackson, Dak Prescott. Because they're on
good teams. Yes, you think, like, all right, at some
point it's gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (01:31:00):
But they also do have talent behind their good team.
There is hope that they can take you beyond Patrick Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
After watching Dak Prescott get outplayed badly by Jordan.

Speaker 4 (01:31:13):
Love in that playoff, good at home, no less?

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
All right? Coming up on the other side, Well, speaking
of franchise quarterbacks, are there going to be franchise quarterbacks
in the upcoming NFL Draft? Live from Indie, our Fox
Sports Radio NFL insider Adam Caplan will join us. This
is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Hartman and Moncie Belognos. Here
Fox Sports Saturday. We are live from the tai iraq

(01:31:38):
dot Com studios and speaking of live from the NFL
Combine in Indianapolis. A man that has his own theories
on franchise quarterbacks. We'll get into that in a moment.
Here is our Fox Sports Radio NFL insider Adam Kaplan. Adam,
I'm going to just start things off with a rather

(01:31:59):
general question, but give us your biggest impression of what
you've seen so far in Indianapolis.

Speaker 3 (01:32:05):
Well, look, it's you know you mentioned free agency and
franchise tags. Just sure, that's certainly part of this, of
though one, I'm not expecting many, But it's really the workouts.
This is this is the big thing here. But the
biggest story of the week, which is caused a stir
amongst executives and agents, is Kevin Williams, who, by the way,
does not have an agent. Who is he presumptive number

(01:32:25):
one pick? No, only is he not working out, which
is sort of commonplay for top picks, but he decided
he's not going to do the medical testing here, which
in my career here I've never seen anyone. This is
my twenty third combine, I've never heard of a player
refusing to do the medical tests and saying, you know what,
whoever I visit, they'll get my medical testing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:45):
And what's your takeaway? Because we heard him talk about
this that he didn't want to give his medical test
to thirty two teams around the NFL. I mean, obviously,
if the Bears are to trade that pick, there might
be a couple of other teams in play to take
that number one overall pick. Because we've always talked about this, Adam,
the two biggest things to come out of the combine
are the physicals and on the interviews. Those are all.

(01:33:09):
The other stuff is for show on TV, just to
give you something to watch. But not doing that is
that a red flag? Is that jeopardize the possibility of
him being the number one overall pick in the draft?

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
Steve, here's the way I understand. So let's say, for
argument's sake, that the Bears entertaining trading that pick. Right, Well,
let's say a team from the top ten trade that
team at Williams didn't think he's going to be traded
to the Medicals already done, so what if he you
know again, what if that team trades up? They need
to know where he's got physically. Now, my understanding is

(01:33:45):
the teams don't believe there's anything to worry about, but
you don't know that until you get tested. This has
happened Look, I've been here over the years where the
player will come here, didn't think anything's wrong, and he
wants up having surgery. So you have to be careful
so that that would impact it potentially if the Bears
decide to trade out of it, and then the team
that would want to trade up would have to know

(01:34:06):
about the way. You should also know that teams share
medical information for the draft, so they're going to know.
All teams will know once he goes through their first
couple of teams. You know what this looks like now,
the first his first pre draft visit should be within
the next two weeks, and then they go typically till
mid April. So this is going to be something to

(01:34:27):
watch here. And what would have taken care of this
process is if he would have had an agent, a
veteran agent who would never have let this happen. You
don't need this now. Is he still get probably going
to go number one? Yes, but again if a team decides,
if the Bear say, you know what, we're not comfortable
with this, we want to entertain a trade, that's what
becomes an issue.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
And do you think that this could cause a ripple
effect that the combine will change maybe more players start
doing this.

Speaker 3 (01:34:56):
It's certainly been a question I've asked agents. I actually
did this yesterday. Probably not the guys who've been around
a long time, because you don't want to give clubs
any reason not to draft you. So not working out
here is not a big deal, by the way, because
you could work out your pro day. That's typically the
guys who don't run here or don't work out work

(01:35:16):
out the pro day. Now, what you need to have
is what's called a verified forty time. You can't really
be drafted without one unless there's something medically wrong where
you can't run for a couple of months. Like Kober Dejean,
who's arguably the top descentive back for the shraft out
of Iowa's coming back from a broken leg. That's going
to be that's healed. He actually started running hard last week,

(01:35:38):
but he's not ready to do everything. So he's going
to work out for teams in early April. He knows
he's got to work out for the draft if he
wants he's going to be a fresh runp pick. But
if he wants to be a high fresh run pick,
he knows he's got to work out.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
All right, let's talk about some of the veteran quarterbacks
and some landing spots. We were talking about obviously the
Justin Field situation you mentioned also when we talked about Pittsburgh,
you said, look for Ryan Tannehill as a possible choice
for quarterback. There give us the future of Kirk Cousins assuming,
by the way, and this is a big assumption that
a quarterback in his mid thirties is going to fully

(01:36:10):
recover from a blown achilles. But where do you see
Kirk cousins future at least in twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
Yeah, being here, the Vikings won him back. He wants
to be back. He does turn thirty six and August
coming back from the torn Achilles. Now, Atlanta is a
team that I would expect to be in on this one.
That's kind of the hot rumor out here. Why because
Zach Robinson, who is the offensive coordinator for the first
time in his career and a play caller, comes from
the West Coast system. The West Coast system demands precise

(01:36:39):
passing timing. That's not justin fields. Justin Fields is not
a guy that is real accurate. He doesn't throw as
good timing. I don't see the fit at all off Atlanta.
I know that's been the rumor, but I don't see
it happening. I mean, you never say never, certainly not
out of the question. They need a quarterback that they're
looking for one, they'd have been shy about it, by
the way, So those would be the two teams right
now for cousins Minnesota in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
This is a two folded question. Let's go to Tampa Bay.
Mike Evin says he's going to test free agency. He
does say he wants to play with an elite quarterback,
that he wants to be paid like an elite wide receiver,
and then he wants to compete for a Super Bowl.
But we have also heard that he really likes Baker Mayfield.
Is he saying that to push Tampa Bay into resigning Baker.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
No, the Bucks want want Baker Mayfield back. He wants
to be back his agent Tom Mills this year. I'd
be very surprised. Now you give count Lanta, by the way,
in that range here if if for some reason Mayfield
is not resigned and it looks like he's going to
test free agency. Now, by the way, testing free agency

(01:37:44):
actually starts here. That's so you understand the way this works,
So Mike Kevin's agent, Derek Kilmore, will know what he'll
be by the time he leaves here, and he may
have left already. He'll know the teams that are interested.
They don't hide this. That's the way it works here.
I always kind of laughing when people say he's going
to test read. You don't wait till March thirteenth, thirty
eleventh when you could sign with teams or agree your agent.
And Derek's been around a long time, by the way,

(01:38:07):
well more than a decade. They'll know exactly which teams
are interested in Mike Kens.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
Jayden Daniels opted out of you know, getting measured and
you know the workout portion of the combine certainly not
a surprise. I love his excuse saying, well, I really
want to do this the pro day for the rest
of my teammates, you know, so they get an opportunity
to be seen by the NFL scouts. Which is a
great teammate, but I've also seen let's see was Orlowsky

(01:38:34):
there on ESPN was making the argument that Jade Daniels
is the best talented quarterback in this year's draft. Is
he firmly number three behind Caleb Williams and Drake may Or.
Is there a possibility that, let's say the Commanders or
another team could move up in order to get Jaden
Daniels before Drake may or Caleb Williams.

Speaker 3 (01:38:57):
All right, So for my mock draftics goes live, I'm
thinking Tuesday Wednesday pro Football Network dot Com. I'll give
you something. I'm going to put Daniels at number two
for the Washington Commanders. Why am I doing that? He
fits the profile of what Cliff Kingsberry once I'm told
he wants a quarterback that could run, that can move,
That's not May comparatively to Daniels. Daniels is really interesting playing. Now.

(01:39:20):
That one knock on him is what's he going to weigh? Now?
That's why some people criticize him for not weighing in
here and not going through the measurements. It's not that
to the lens he's tall enough, plenty tall enough. It's
how much he's going to weigh You worried about that.
By the way, Kaylen Williams is under six to two.
So you look at these quarterbacks here from a side standpoint,
you would like to be bigger physically, but you seem

(01:39:41):
to can't have everything with these quarterbacks this year, but
it's certainly going to be interesting. In Steve, you bring
up the peck and word that is not set yet
behind Kayln Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
What preverence?

Speaker 4 (01:39:50):
By the way, just to follow up, do the Patriots
have you think at quarterback if they had that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:56):
I don't know that yet because remember Ron Wilson, Elliot
will is going to make the call there more or
less that he doesn't have a DM title, but he's
going to run the show there. Now. He comes from
the Green Bay system, and to me, if you look
at this, Drake may would be a very good fit
for that one would seem to sit the profile if

(01:40:17):
you're asking me that, that would be the profile that
I would have early on here. Obviously we have way
a long time to go until the draft, but that
would be my early call there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
There was a lot of question marks between the Broncos
and Russell Wilson, and now the reports are they're going
to cut him. Do you see Russell Wilson ending up
somewhere else? Is there a chance that he is going
to have to take being a backup somewhere?

Speaker 3 (01:40:40):
It's a good question. No, Well, let's put this with it.
There's a term called the kapete guy. That means where
he goes in and compete for a starting job, that'll
be the worst. It's where there's someone else. So there's
a rookie where he's a bridge quarterback for one season
because the Broncos will essentially be paying the salary of
the season. It's not about how much he's going to
get paid. It's about working at the best opportunity. That's
what and Mark Rodgers's agent will look for. And Mark Rodgers,

(01:41:02):
by the way, does not have any NFL players other
than Russell listening to baseball agent. He did a great
job in his contract. Can get a fully guaranteed contract,
but the contract is supunitive terms of penalties. If you
cut them, Broncs are crippled. And by the way, Jared
Stidham will be competing for the starting job this season
when they signed to a two year deal last year.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
You never know of those bridge quarterbacks. I remember Kurt
Warner was a bridge quarterback twice. He was supposed to
be a bridge quarterback for Eli Manning. Then he was
a bridge quarterback for Matt Liinert, and the next thing
you know, he took over his starting quarterback and leads
the Cardinals. It's still hard to believe the Cardinals were
actually in a Super Bowl and only a miracle throwing
catch away from winning that Super Bowl. So you know,

(01:41:40):
you just got to stay in the man.

Speaker 4 (01:41:41):
I'm going to look at the Baker Mayfield situation.

Speaker 3 (01:41:43):
Yeah, no one expected that. Now, the big takeaway Steve
last year, that was the biggest nugget I got was
that the Bucks were going to pursue Mayfield. Now we
didn't know would be a one year, four million deal,
four million deal with upside. We didn't know what the
terms would be. That worked out. That was a good
job with scouting by Jason light the Bucks GM that
surprising people and that one worked out, you know, by

(01:42:05):
the way, the Kurt Warner thing. Yes, the Cardinals drafted
Matt Lioner to be their starting quarterback for the future.
But the problem with and this is something we'll talk
towards as we do these segments closer to the draft.
The problem with USC and Matt Liner, who was really
under pressure and when he was as a professional, he
couldn't handle it. And that's the problem with the spread

(01:42:26):
offenses in college. You don't see these guys under pressure.
That's why teams to miss quarterback at the NFL level.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Well, it's always interesting. So twenty three years of the
Knobine and Adam, you know, one really quick question, final
question here the idea that many of these players already
have millions of dollars in their bank accounts because of
nil has that changed a certain attitude about these players
entering the NFL combines in the NFL Draft, Steve, I've.

Speaker 3 (01:42:55):
Actually asked that question just in terms of transfer pot
and I getting being having money in your pocket piece
of money, obviously not the kind of money they're going
to make.

Speaker 7 (01:43:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:43:05):
The it's you remember, these players only get sixteen minutes
per team in the interview, and that has come up.
They just want to check for entitlement. Are these kids
thinking like they've got it made already, that they don't
have to work hard. That's that's something that's absolutely fair game,
because that's a new thing, man. This is a new
thing that NFL teams have to deal with. And the
other thing is that some of these kids that knew

(01:43:27):
they were going to be fifth, sixth or seventh round picks,
but are getting paid in college with good ni all money.
They're not going to declarely you must well stay in
college because you can make a ptially make a couple
million if you've marked yourself well well.

Speaker 2 (01:43:41):
And I'm a fan of that because I'm a college
football fan, and I like the idea of the guys
are staying in college, maybe the extra year. Obviously we're
getting these one year wonders that and I mean, I
mean again, when we talk about bo Nicks, we talk
about a Michael Pennox, you and you, when we talk
about Jayden Daniels, I mean, these guys played full collegiate
careers at one school and ended up, you know, with

(01:44:02):
a couple of extra years to take their game to
another level. And that's the other point. When you're suddenly
looking at a twenty three to twenty four year old
quarterback as opposed to a twenty one or twenty two
year a quarterback, that's got to be a factor as well,
because ultimately you have to decide how much upside does
this guy have moving forward in his NFL career or

(01:44:23):
have we already seen as good as he's going to get.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Yeah, one more thing on that, Steve, this is like
the first year we've really had to deal with this.
It's not a big factor yet, but I do believe
down the line, over the years it will be because again,
these mid to late round picks, and if they have
eligibility left, if they think they can make one to
two million in school, why would you leave? And then
you know what, why would you You could just enhance yourself.

(01:44:47):
You can't do any worse. By the way, if you know,
if if an agent tells you, look, I think you're
going around five to seven while not staying score, you
can make more money the chance that you're not going
to make it the next level anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:44:58):
Yeah, I mean absolutely, and that's going to be a
big story moving forward as far as the world of
football is concerned. Adam, great job is always we appreciate.
We know you're really busy in Indy. Always appreciate the time.
Thanks so much. That's Adam Kaplan are NFL inside of
here with Fox Sports Radio. Yeah, I mean you have
to think about this, montsee. I mean, if you have
an opportunity to make millions. Now, look, this doesn't apply

(01:45:21):
to those that are being projected to be a top
five pick in the NFL drafts.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
So you want to get to that money as quickly
as possible.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
But if yeah, if you're in that gray area, why
not stay?

Speaker 2 (01:45:31):
Why not stay? And that's certainly worked out well for
a Michael Pennix junior who had all those injuries at Indiana,
goes to Washington, puts together two big years. Bo Nix,
who looked ordinary at Auburn suddenly looks extraordinary at Oregon.
By the way, there are some people downgrading them though,
those two specifically that they may not even be first

(01:45:52):
round picks.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
These of age.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Could be a number of factors. So we'll see about that.
All right, Let's find out what's trending right now. We
welcome Martin back. Martin, are you a college sports fan
versus professional sports? Which which way do you lean? Uh?

Speaker 8 (01:46:10):
I would say I probably am a bigger fan of
professional sports. But that's like to me asking which is
colder Alaska or Antarctica? Really that both You're gonna need
a jacket either way. Yeah, I like both of them,
you know, like, I like both of them a lot.
I don't think I ranked one over the others.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
Yeah, comparisons today have been on top of it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:29):
You know, I'm going to entertain, you know, what I mean,
I'm here to entertain. I tell you the difference. For me,
it was in favoring college football and this is back
in the day. And again the now level of professionalism
we're seeing at the collegiate level can be a big
game changer. But I know that I've known so many
NFL players over the years, and I've interviewed them, you know,
doing stories on these players and talk about their collegiate

(01:46:53):
years and then you know, transferring over to their professional career,
and almost all of them will pause and say, you know,
it's unbelievable. I can remember like every game of my
college career, and I can remember very few games in
my professional career. The idea of playing for school pride
or whatever call as opposed to a job, and obviously

(01:47:15):
remember Super Bowls or something along those lines. But he goes,
I mean multiple players I've interviewed over the years will
say the same thing, like, when you get to the
professional level, it's just like a blur. I mean, it's
just another game, another name, another game. But at the
collegiate level, it's just an event. So that's fascinating.

Speaker 8 (01:47:32):
How I once asked Tyron Matthew if he remembered hitting
one of my good friends I was growing up, because
we're all around the same age.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
Somehow Tyro Mathew's still playing football. I wake up and
it hurts.

Speaker 8 (01:47:44):
But he tore my friends acl on like one of
the most vicious hits I've ever seen in high school football.
And he remembered the down and distance, the time of that,
like the time of day, like you remembered all of it.
And this was a jamboree, the scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:58):
So you can't talk to any of these players, bar Arrington.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
Even the guys are guys here that play, you know,
great college players, great professional players. They will all tell
you the same thing. They will remember almost every game
of their collegiate career.

Speaker 8 (01:48:10):
I will say that one thing that does bother me
right now about college football is where we're at with it.
Is like I saw four years of Michael Pennix at
Indiana and I didn't never think he was like the
best quarterback or player in college football. Saw four years
ago Knicks at Auburn, same deal, all of a sudden,
Jaden Daniels at Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
I never think, but.

Speaker 8 (01:48:32):
It all it all falls into the same category of
you're too old to be here, you know. But now
that the COVID year is washing out, shout out to
Kaylen Clark for not taking the COVID yet agreed, all right,
go to the go be go be work in the draft,
so yeah, yeah, go to work all right. Speaking of
college sports, of this one, not close so far. Seven

(01:48:53):
twenty left in the first half. Duke with a thirty
one to eleven lead over Virginia. We'll see if the
Cavaliers can come back. You know, they are not known
for scoring the basketball in the NBA. One game in
progress right now, middle of the third quarter, the Utah
Jazz Miami Heat. Utah with a seventy eight to seventy
seven lead. Let's go to the NFL. We'll get to
some more results in just a moment. Athletic is reporting

(01:49:14):
that Broncos quarterback Russell Wilson likely to be cut as
soon as next week.

Speaker 2 (01:49:19):
Duh A.

Speaker 8 (01:49:19):
Thirteen year left tackle Tyron Smith unlikely to resign with
the Cowboys. He and owner Jerry Jones could not agree
on new compensation. Smith an eight time Pro Bowler in
his thirteen years in Dallas, but wide receiver Mike Evans
expected to test free agency with reports saying he wants
to play with an elite quarterback, paid like a top
wide out and compete for a Super Bowl. You want
to talk about a guy who had an interesting college career,

(01:49:41):
Mike Evans playing with Johnny Manzell.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
What that?

Speaker 8 (01:49:45):
Former Chargers head coach Brandon Staley will join the San
Francisco forty nine ers as assistant head coach. Will also
be on the defensive staff, but not defensive coordinator. That
will be defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorens and he
got a promotion shoe quarterback Jadon Daniels formerly of Arizona State,
as Steve just mentioned, and wide receiver from elite neighbors.
They did not participate in the measurements portion of the combine,

(01:50:08):
saying they would do so at the pro day March
twenty seventh in Baton Rouge. And speaking of Johnny Manziel,
he is boycotting the Heisman Trophy ceremony until two thousand
and five winner Reggie Bush gets his Heisman Trophy back.
Earlier today in the NBA, the Nets beat the Hawks
one fourteen to one oh two. Michale Bridges had thirty
eight and in college basketball he had wins for Baylor,

(01:50:31):
South Carolina, Kentucky, Creton, Iowa State, and North Carolina beating
NC State in that vicious in state rivalry seventy nine
to just seventy nine to seventy in Chapel Hill.

Speaker 2 (01:50:43):
Back to you guys, all right, Martin, thank you very much.
By the way, just quick note on Johnny Manziel. I
don't know did you see the documentary on Johnny Manzil
any longer? And by the way, it ends with him
drinking alcohol. It wasn't. It wasn't like, you know, well,
he's turned his life around. It basically ended with him
exactly where he started.

Speaker 4 (01:51:02):
Yeah, Like it's like he hasn't really done anything to
change his situation.

Speaker 5 (01:51:08):
But he is.

Speaker 1 (01:51:09):
I feel like looking at it from an outside perspective now,
you know, looking back right, Mark, what are you gonna say?

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
My favorite part of the Johnny Manziel documentary, which I
feel was viciously underrated and I talked about nearly enough,
Cliff Kingsbury when he talks about how Johnny Manziel would
come in hung over it through walk throughs, he has
the biggest smile on his face. He was like he
was remembering these like command. Those were the good old days.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
Yeah, no problems with They had no problems with it
at all.

Speaker 8 (01:51:39):
He was just like, yeah, I told him, you're ass
better compete and then he was like it, sure enough
he did. And Cliff Kingsbury just got a Ronald MacDonald
kool ad smile just on his face. Was remembering how
Johnny would go out in KYLEI Station and then come
back and still be able to ball as like a
nineteen year old kid.

Speaker 1 (01:51:55):
Because I mean impressive, Like, imagine living through that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:00):
Well again, Johnny Manziel And I've said this, I've been
following college football for fifty five years, I mean religiously.
He is still easily in my top five all time
favorite college football players. And as you find out in
that documentary, the reason he was so dynamic at Texas

(01:52:20):
A and m at why it did not work for
him in the NFL, is that he just addled everything.
And you go to the NFL and now they want
to say, well, this is how we do things. We
need you to do this, and one structure was introduced
into his game. His game disappeared because his game was unstructured.
His two games against Alabama his freshman year, when they

(01:52:43):
beat Alabama, which was the reason he won the Heisman,
and then the next year Alabama did nothing to slow
I mean Nick Saban just like, get rid of this guy.
I don't have a clue beginning what to do with
this guy. It was no structure, no structure at all.
And again, his failure to produce any NFL career for

(01:53:03):
a variety of reasons and again does not in any
way diminish what he was in college football. He was
one of the greatest, most dynamic college football quarterbacks ever.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Ever, is it more impressive?

Speaker 3 (01:53:19):
Now?

Speaker 5 (01:53:21):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:53:22):
Here, here's the thing, so you know me, I do
my Heisman update.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:25):
So in twenty twelve his freshman year, Richerd freshman year
at Texas A and m obviously nobody knows who Johnny
Manzel is. He wasn't like some high school superstar. And
it was like week four, you know, I do my
update one, two, three, and so I'm looking at some
numbers and he had just played a game in the SEC.
I think he had set an SEC single game total

(01:53:45):
offense record. So I wanted to put this guy on
my list, but I didn't know how to pronounce his
name because it looks like Manziel. Right, it does, and
so I'm like trying to you know, you know, go
on YouTube like somebody and the like Manzel. All right,
so I'm doing three to two one and he's my
number one. I go, my number one is Johnny Manzell,
quarterback Texas A and m Mermer's like, who the hell

(01:54:09):
is Johnny Manzell And then he threw three picks against
LSU and they lost the game. He dropped off my list. Obviously,
he ended up winning the Heisman that year, but I
mean he's you know, those those character stories, even if
they're flawed in so many ways. And by the way,
there were other things about him that were like exaggerated,

(01:54:29):
like he came from this insanely wealthy family.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
No he didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
I mean they were not poor, but it wasn't like
they were some zillionaires.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
It's all these stories emerged about Johnny Manziel, and it
really came out after he won the Heisman Trophy because
they sort of kept him under wraps. Kevin Someone was
the coach of the team, and you know, he's a freshman.
But after he won the Heisman, all of a sudden,
we heard a lot more from Johnny Manzil, and they
estimate that his winning the Heisman translated into like a

(01:54:58):
fifty million dollar windfall for Texas A and him.

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
So when people say, well, what does the Heisman actually mean?

Speaker 2 (01:55:04):
That Alabama had never had a Heisman winner until Nick
Saban got there, and then he had four. And believe me,
lining up those heismans is a really good recruiting tool.
He knew it. Alabama never had a Heisman winner before him.
So I love those stories.

Speaker 8 (01:55:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
No, for even though he was flawed, it does seem
like he was still so well liked. Yeah, you know,
so it's like he was still delivering. Yeah, he you know,
could not work in the NFL because of the structure.
But I agree. I love the documentary and I find
his college career even more impressive.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:55:38):
No, he'll be in the College Football Hall of FIM
someday by the Reggie Bushes in the College Football Hall
of fam Oh they didn't, Yeah, they didn't know. Well
he was.

Speaker 4 (01:55:47):
He was as soon as he was eligible. They put
him on the list. He got voted in. Why not,
He's one of the greatest college football players of all time.

Speaker 2 (01:55:54):
Yes, all right, coming up on the other start, we're
going to switch back to the NFL for a moment here,
and perhaps the single biggest question mark heading into the
twenty twenty four season. Which player are we talking about?
You're gonna find out. This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve

(01:56:17):
Harbin and Monte Belanios Here Fox Sports Saturday. We're live
from the tire Rock dot Com studios. So I was
thinking about this the other day about Aaron Rodgers going
into twenty twenty four. Now, remember a year ago at

(01:56:39):
this time, there was all this speculation that his days
in Green Bay were over, that he wanted to play
for the New York Jets and somehow they will get
a deal done, which they did, And then there was
all this controversy about Hard Knocks that the NFL was

(01:56:59):
really having a hard time getting any team to agree
to be in the Hard Knocks subject matter for twenty
twenty four. And one of the eligible teams there's a
certain eligibility based been on it before, whatever was the Jets,
and everyone assumed, well, there's no way the Jets are
going to do it because Aaron Rodgers doesn't want that

(01:57:19):
to deal with. Well, not only did it turn out
to be the Jets, but Aaron Rodgers was the entire show.
He was like he was literally grabbing the camera guy
everywhere he went.

Speaker 1 (01:57:34):
It opened with slow motion of Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:38):
Walking like he would go to his teammates saying, why
are you uncomfortable with these people?

Speaker 4 (01:57:44):
They're here to do a job and everything else. So
it became the Aaron Rodgers Show.

Speaker 2 (01:57:49):
Now, as we know, for several years, Aaron Rodgers had
his platform with Pat McAfee, who obviously now his show
is carried by ESPN, and then became the controversy with
the Jimmy Kimmel rift that he had with Jeffrey Epstein
and the whole shebang, and McAfee, I think smartly decided

(01:58:10):
I don't need this now.

Speaker 4 (01:58:12):
I mean, I got people giving me pressure all over
the place. It's not worth it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
Yes, Aaron, thank you for putting me on the map,
because if it wasn't for Aaron Rodgers, McAfee wouldn't have
gotten to the level he got.

Speaker 4 (01:58:25):
But at this point he didn't need him anymore and
he wasn't worth the trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
But that means that we really don't have that steady
stream of consciousness from Aaron Rodgers that we've grown accustomed
to the last couple of years, and so to me,
there really doesn't seem to be any way to gauge
where he is in this effort to come back at

(01:58:49):
the age of forty after a blown Achilles, to return
to a bad Jets team who retained their coach and
their offensive coordinator would not have had And if Aaron
Rodgers didn't want it to happen, I'm just that to
me is still the number one question mark as we
go into twenty twenty four.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
So the Pat McAfee side of this, a lot of
people were saying that it had nothing to do with
that situation that was happening with Jimmy Kimmel, that it
was that the season was over and Aaron Rodgers only
comes on during the season, and so that's what a
lot of people were saying. But you're right, there are
a lot of question marks. And it's interesting because I
felt like during the season it was like, I'm so

(01:59:31):
overhearing about Aaron Rodgers and this Achilles injury, and right
now that I'm actually interested, we.

Speaker 2 (01:59:37):
Don't know anything, nothing, nothing, And this is when I
actually there's no hard knocks this year, so we until
he shows up a training camp.

Speaker 4 (01:59:46):
We really have nothing. So you're saying you got tired
of him, but.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
In some ways, no week to week, you weren't giving
me new information. It was the same thing, right, But
now you can actually give us information and we don't
know even.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
And now I'm curious and I'm Currie. I'm with you,
because again, if he can rebound from that level of injury,
and there's nothing more crippling for an athlete than a
blown achilles, right, and the success rate of star players
returning from achilles is very short, yep, very short at
least to get back to the same level. So just

(02:00:21):
something else in the off season. But that, to me
is one of the curious stories coming up in the
National Football League. We got some NBA news we got
to get to coming up. This is Fox Sports Saturday
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(02:01:13):
and I will sort of include myself in this. It's
when I start to really buckle down and watch basketball. Obviously,
we're a couple of weeks away from finding out the
field for the NCAA Basketball Tournament, so March Madness is
very near, and as far as the NBA is concerned,
we get down to the last twenty games of the

(02:01:34):
regular season playoff positioning. I think, more so than just
about any sport, matchups matter in basketball. Why certain teams
match up better against other teams. Sometimes it's physical, it
can be speed. There's a reason why certain teams have

(02:01:56):
other teams numbers and based on matchups is how far
they're going to progress in the postseason. So it happens
a lot in basketball. Speaking of the NBA, right now,
the hottest team in the NBA team by far with
the best record in the league. They're on a ten
game winning streak as the Boston Celtics. Now, Monsey understand this.
As a lifelong Laker fan.

Speaker 1 (02:02:18):
You don't like it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
So I was in fifth grade when Bill Russell and
the Celtics beat the Lakers in the NBA Finals. It
was Bill Russell's last championship. It was the year wil
Chamberlain came to the Lakers, and we thought, there's no
way the Lakers are going to lose now that they
have Wilt with Elgin and Jerry, and he came down
to a game seven, and normally game sevens with the

(02:02:41):
Celtics had always been in Boston. This one was going
to be at the Forum, and the Celtics beat them anyway,
and then Russell retired and everything else, and so instantly
I learned as a fifth grader, I hate the Celtic. Okay,
sure like the Yankees. You know you're West and so
those dominant teams. Nothing has really changed. I've enjoyed the

(02:03:04):
fact that the Celtics have been to the Eastern Conference
finals five of the last seven years, and yet they've
only been to the finals once. Now they ended up losing.
The team I equally hate that would be the Golden
State Warriors, but they haven't been able to break through
and win a championship.

Speaker 3 (02:03:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
Earlier, Mark Medina joined us and he puts clearly the
Celtics at the top of the list right now in
the power rankings in the NBA, and he talked about
Jason Tatum his game continues to evolved. And this goes
back to our conversation I had about Patrick Mahomes being
the only true franchise quarterback in the NBA until Jason

(02:03:44):
Tatum can actually break through. If he ever breaks through
and not only wins the championship but ends up being
the difference in those NBA finals in order for the
Celtics to come on top, I'm sorry, I can't include
him on the list. Giannis has done it, Jokic has
done it one NBA championships. They've elevated themselves to that
franchise level that obviously a lebron and as Steph Curry

(02:04:07):
and others of that ILK have achieved. But until I
actually see that, I'm sorry, he's not there yet.

Speaker 1 (02:04:15):
Yeah, I know what you mean, because to me right now,
the Celtics the difference maker this year has been Christops
porzingis not necessarily Jason Tatum. I think he's great. There's
a lot of great out there, right and so if
they do win, he would have to be the difference maker.
But I yeah, we haven't seen it. We haven't. And

(02:04:37):
it's and I'm gonna bring up maybe it's just because
I love Jimmy Butler. I love Jimmy Butler, and he
has not won, but I feel that we have seen
him be the difference maker for his team and he
has left it all on the on the court. We've
literally seen it. Jason Tatum is so so good, yet
I agree he hasn't been the difference maker for the Celtics.

(02:05:01):
Could this be the year? But it's definitely. Christops porzingis
why the Celtics to me, are dominating this year, right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
And there are other players now that could show that
they are of that ilk we Shay Gilss, Alexander Yeah,
Anthony Edwards Yeah. I mean these are players that obviously
have now proven themselves to be all stars on really
good teams. Do we believe that the Timberwolves or the

(02:05:32):
thunder are better than the Nuggets and the Clippers with
all the star power proven star power. I mean, you
have Jokic who's proven now to be a champion. Obviously,
Kawhi is a proven champion for the Clippers, and it
could happen. I mean, I believe me. I've been I've
mentioned this several times and beginning feedback on social media

(02:05:55):
for both those guys saying Edwards, it's got guy.

Speaker 4 (02:05:57):
You watch, you watch. This is the year where people
are gonna say he's the guy.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Okay. I remember the same thing with Dwayne Wade back
in the day when the heat broke through and ended
up upsetting Dallas to win the NBA Finals. And d
Wade just went off in those NBA Finals, and this
before Lebron obviously showed up, but at that point, all
of a sudden, it's like, wow, Okay, he is now
a franchise player. Dwayne Wade is that guy? And I

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just wonder are we because I look at the Celtics
right now. They're playing some great basketball, but the eyeball
tests is holding me back to say, all right, yeah,
they are the team to beat.

Speaker 1 (02:06:36):
I feel you. I mean, they could prove us wrong.
And here's the thing. We all know that once playoff
basketball starts, it changes a little bit.

Speaker 4 (02:06:45):
Yes, different sports, it's a different sport.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
They're going to be more physical. The refs are going
to allow it to be more physical, so it's going
to change a little bit. The eye tests another one
that I don't see it is the Cavaliers. The Cavaliers
are number two in the Eastern Conference, tied with the
Milwaukee Bucks essentially, and I watched them and I'm like, yeah,
you look good, you look but do you look better

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than these other teams? I don't see it. Even though
your records may say that you are one of the
top teams, I don't see it either. I don't know.
I don't know. The one thing I will say about
the Oklahoma City Thunder that scares me as a Clippers fan.
They are fast and they are young, yes, and that

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is the one thing that scares me. Not gonna lie hopefully,
you know, the physicality will kick in and the Clippers
can hold their own against them. But that's the Oklahoma
City Thunder is a scary is a scary group.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
Well, this gets back to what's better when you have
dominant teams. I mean, we had the years, the four
straight years where Lebron and the Cavaliers played Steph and
of course Durant for the last two and the Warriors
in the NBA Finals, and it never happened. In fact,
even with the dominance of the Lakers and Celtics, no
two teams had played against each other in three consecutive finals,

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much less four in a row, So you had an
inevitability that they were going to get there in the end,
and the rest of the playoffs are just like, we're
just wasting time because eventually we're going to get to
Lebron versus the Warriors. And the ratings were huge for
those NBA finals. Now, the NBA took a big hit
like so many sports with the COVID year and they've

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been trying to get it back since, but their numbers
aren't close to what they were with those calvs.

Speaker 4 (02:08:34):
Warriors matchups in the finals.

Speaker 2 (02:08:36):
So the idea that, well, the playoff are going to
be interesting this year because we don't know how good
Minnesota is going to be or Cleveland or OKC. Are
they real? Are they pretenders? Can they compete against the
more established teams? So there is the intrigue there, But
what's your endgame? Yeah, and you know when we end

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up with Milwaukee and Phoenix that didn't really do a
whole lot too, no generate a whole lot of interest,
or Denver Miami or yeah that's not doing much.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
No, it really isn't. And you go to last year
the Lakers being in playing team that went to the
Western Conference finals.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
That was a big story.

Speaker 4 (02:09:24):
That was a huge story, and you got one of
the two biggest stars in the league Lebron right.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
But it just goes to show how really anything can
happen in the playoffs. And as much as you want to,
you know, believe that there are fresh faces in the NBA,
you're right, like, if the Lakers get in there, it's
gonna be huge for the NBA. Can they do it?
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
Not this year.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
I don't think there's a team that they were last year.
I think there's a lot better teams around.

Speaker 2 (02:09:51):
Well, I understand what we were staring at right now.
This whole playing tournament, which by the way, is always
amazing to me. There are no records for these playing games.
They're not listed as playoff games. If you're looking, if
you're looking in an NBA record book, anything that happens
those games, there's no record of it. Really, they're like
exhibition games. They're not listed as they're not playoff games.

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So if you look at let's say Basketball Reference, right,
and you're looking for so what were you what were
your stats in the playing games? You're not going to
find them anywhere.

Speaker 1 (02:10:23):
So then I have a follow up question. Yeah, those
games that Lebron has playing, has played in the play
in those points count towards his.

Speaker 4 (02:10:30):
Total or no, no, none of it.

Speaker 2 (02:10:32):
Well, I mean, obviously the forty thousands regular season only
does not include his playoff but it's not playoff points
and it's not regular season points. Yeah I didn't know that, Yeah,
so they did. These are these playing games are weird,
But you're staring at a real possibility that you're gonna
have a nine to ten game between the Warriors and
the Lakers. And by the way, unlike a couple of

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years ago when they played in the seven eight game.
All right, so the seven team advances, the eighteen gets
another chance, you know, to play the winner of the
nine ten game. But in this case, if it's a
nine to ten matchup, the loser goes home. Right, that's
the last year're going to see of them. It's like
your worst nightmare because the two biggest names in this

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league still are Lebron and Steph and they have one
game where one of them goes home, and by the way,
the winner of that game still has to win another
game to get into the playoffs. Is not good for
the league. So this, this is why I keep getting
back to the idea, it's best for every sport to
really have star teams, start players to really sort of

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hold attention. Otherwise you're just sort of scrambling every year
to come up with something to hold that audience through
the long duration of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (02:11:49):
There are stars, There are stars throughout the entire league.
That's not the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:11:53):
But are they must see stars? I mean, I'm not
saying they're not great players. They're great players, but they're
I'm so they're not Lebron, they're not stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:12:01):
So then are we are we going to do the
same thing where we talk about the quarterbacks where it's
like there's tears. Now now there is like super superstars.
Then they're superstars, and then they're stars.

Speaker 2 (02:12:12):
Is Kevin Durant must watch?

Speaker 1 (02:12:15):
You know, he's his style of play even though he's
a scorer. You're right, he's not as exciting to watch.
I'd rather watch Luca to be honest with you.

Speaker 2 (02:12:26):
All right, So, but again, Donches suffers from the same
faith that Dirk Novinsky had for many years in Dallas.
Great player. But and then finally Dirk did get his
championship obviously in Dallas.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
That's my boy.

Speaker 2 (02:12:37):
But was he must watch?

Speaker 1 (02:12:39):
He was for me, But I guess I was an outlier.
I love Dirk, I see.

Speaker 2 (02:12:45):
I think Kawhi is close. Yeah when he's because of
his track record in the postseason and he always, to me,
passes the Eyeball taper.

Speaker 1 (02:12:57):
Yeah, he's the best player on the court when he
wants to.

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
Be exactly Yeah, if he can stay on the court,
Kawhi Leonard passes the Eyeball test from top to bottom.

Speaker 4 (02:13:07):
But he's got to be on the court. He doesn't
and he hasn't been that way the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (02:13:11):
He's been that this year though.

Speaker 2 (02:13:12):
Okay. Coming up on the other side, there is a
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secret of mine on radio for many, many years. It's
also secret in my personal life with my asociation with
my ex wife and her ability to bake things at
an incredible level. We just had Bree walk in here,
and she does such a great job on all of
our shows. She now says the cookies that she made
for you, Montci, you shared one with Brie is literally

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the greatest thing she's ever eaten in her life. Anything.

Speaker 1 (02:14:19):
No, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 2 (02:14:21):
And then she gave you what what do you?

Speaker 1 (02:14:23):
I don't.

Speaker 8 (02:14:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:14:25):
She it's a toy.

Speaker 1 (02:14:26):
It's a toy that I'm trying to build. And I
am just dumb as something because you are like I am.

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
Mechanically. I would stare at this for days.

Speaker 1 (02:14:36):
Yeah, but it's just two pieces. It's some some some
ramp to launch something. She got this from a fast
food joints and I don't.

Speaker 2 (02:14:45):
So you sort of hit the button that flies out.

Speaker 1 (02:14:47):
Yeah, I'm supposed it's supposed to launch this, but I
don't know how to launch.

Speaker 2 (02:14:51):
Well, I think you pressed down on the back right,
Oh see what I say? Even I could figure that
one out and see if can hit me. All right
now on this thing here.

Speaker 5 (02:15:03):
It is.

Speaker 1 (02:15:04):
We are launching things, ladies. And John there you go,
very good launching launching.

Speaker 2 (02:15:11):
So you could play with this toy all day long. Right, yes,
now that you've figured it out. No, you can't put
your can't put your hand in front of the launch area. Okay,
if you got it clear, you want to like I.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
Wanted to balance and guys, we figured it out. We
have figured it out.

Speaker 2 (02:15:34):
Thank you. We okay, thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
Together together we figured it out. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:15:40):
All right, let's figure out where the best destiny is
for Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
That's gonna be harder than this one.

Speaker 2 (02:15:45):
All right. So, Russell Wilson, we've been hearing from Martin
throughout the updates that it is expected that the Broncos
to cut their losses. By the way, they still have
to eat an unbelievable amount of money on this Russell
Wilson deal. But again, when your franchise is bought by
the Walton family, which is the richest family in America.

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They're not going to quibble over a few million dollars
here and there. It's not going to break the bank
for them, so they can cut their losses. And you
know the amount of money they paid to Sean Payton,
the power they gave Sean Payton to become the coach
of the Broncos. If he doesn't want Russell Wilson, fine, Now,
if you look at Russell Wilson's numbers this past year,
he had a good season statistically, twenty six touchdowns, eight picks,

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sixty six completion rate. He had a passer rating of
almost one hundred this year. I mean it was a
big bounce back year for Russell Wilson. Remember, their defense
was historically bat early in the year, especially when they
give up that seventy against the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 1 (02:16:46):
If are never going to forget that one.

Speaker 2 (02:16:47):
So you know, in the end, their record had less
to do about Russell Wilson, more to do about other
factors for that team. Still, the impression I get from
Russell Wilson, and look, he's had a great NFL career,
no question. If you look at his first nine years
in Seattle one, he started every game, starting with his

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first game as a rookie. For nine years, he started
every single game. They had double digit victories eight of
the nine years, and the other year they won nine games,
so they didn't have a single losing year. His passer
rating was consistently good. He was always seemingly in the
conversation for postseason honors. And then his last year in

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Seattle there was a bit of a dip, and then
he ends up in Denver, and of course two years
ago was a disaster. This past year was shows an improvement.
But I keep thinking, if you're bringing in Russell Wilson,
fair or not. This is sort of the eyeball evaluation
of him. He's a bit of a prima donna. I

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know he wants to come off as the consummate team guy.
But even in his first year in Denver, a lot
of people said, look, you bring in Nathaniel Hackett, a novice,
as your head coach. Don't worry. You got Russell Wilson.
He'll be in charge of that locker room. So whatever

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Hackett has to learn as a head coach to be
the man in charge, you won't have to worry about that.
Because you have a veteran quarterback to handle that, and
Russell Wilson was exposed he was not that guy, which
only made the situation with Hackett that much worse. Now,
this would not be a problem with Sean Payton, because
Sean Payton's going to assert authority on that locker room

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regardless of Russell Wilson's presence. But this would be a
difficult decision to make if you think that he still
has the physical tools to be an effective quarterback in
this league.

Speaker 4 (02:18:51):
I think it's a big part of being a quarterback.
Are you a leader?

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
Can you go in that locker room and command respect
from that team? And despite everything that he's accomplished in
his career, I think the jury's out whether or not
Russell Wilson is that type of quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
And I don't think he was that type of quarterback
in Seattle. We just didn't know. Now we heard Marshaun
Lynch say he couldn't get a hold of his own quarterback,
that he had a fake number or a burner number, whatever.
So I think he has never been that guy. We
just didn't know. So, like you just said, expose that
he cannot be that guy in the locker room. The
one thing that goes from which is what you just said.

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Out of the last two years in Denver, last year
he had died much better than the first year. So
there is some sort of like hope you saw I
saw it that. There was games where I was like,
he still looks like he has something in him. Now
if I'm a team, am I gonna make moves to
go get Russell Wilson? Not necessarily, but as Adam Kaplan said,
maybe he can be a bridge quarterback as you get

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a young guy to come in. I don't think Wilson
is going to get what he wants like a long term.
I don't think there's any team that would do that.
I wouldn't unless you're I don't know, crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:20:05):
He still got a big number that comes with it.

Speaker 1 (02:20:07):
It does exactly exactly, but I feel that I there
are teams that you could you could try him out
for like a year or two years. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:20:18):
There were two quarterbacks that came in the draft the
same year.

Speaker 2 (02:20:21):
They're both in the Hall of Fame, and they were
two very different people, Dan Marino and John Elway. Dan
Marino was the better quarterback statistically from day one. I mean,
you looked at his numbers versus Elway. Marino's the guy,
but Elway was winning more. And I remember, you know,

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obviously being part of that time, and I would ask
why is that? They said, because they're very different people.
Elway's one of the guys. Marino is not. He's just not.
He's a great quarterback, but he doesn't get the same

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respect in the locker room that a guy like Elwood got,
right even if he was a better passer than Elway was.
And eventually that resulted with Elway winning a couple of
Super Bowls and Marino never got to a super Bowl
after his second season in the NFL. So I just
wonder that whole thing about, like you say, if you're
going to sign on Russell Wilson, what.

Speaker 4 (02:21:23):
Exactly are you looking for? What do you expect to
get out of this guy?

Speaker 1 (02:21:28):
You expect to get a season where you can build
upon your other weapons, get somebody with experience, like I
know we keep putting, you know, justin fields with Atlanta,
but I feel like Russell Wilson can go into Atlanta
and make Drake London better, help be Jeon Robinson get better.
I really feel that is he your long term quarterback. No,

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but I do think he can help a team get
the weapons you know better.

Speaker 2 (02:21:57):
And by the way, earlier when I was talking about
quarterback currently starting in the NFL, who are Super Bowl
champions and I mentioned outside of Mahomes, you got Aaron Rodgers,
you have Matthew Stafford, And people were probably screaming, what
about Russell Wilson. He wasn't starting at the end of
the year. He was already benched. So he's not right now,

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he's not a starting quarterback in the NFL. Now he
may well be, but in the moment he not.

Speaker 1 (02:22:27):
He was benched though, in a weird situation.

Speaker 2 (02:22:31):
But it was a weird situation based on his resume
and what he had actually done this season, right, But
a decision had been made.

Speaker 1 (02:22:38):
Right, It had nothing to do with his performance. Like
you said, they had just beat the Chiefs and they
were like, we're gonna bench you. So it was a
weird situation. I The other problem for him this year
is that there's so many potential quarterbacks in this draft.
That's not helping his situation in any way, shape or form.

Speaker 2 (02:22:58):
But yeah, well we have that every year year in
the draft.

Speaker 1 (02:23:00):
I feel like, no, not this every year.

Speaker 2 (02:23:03):
You remember last year's draft, we were sitting here. It
was obvious, pretty obvious to everyone in the Carolina was
going to take Bryce Young number two, but Houston number
two Will Levis. Remember Will Levis showed up with his
eye candy at the draft. Yeah, there were all this
buzz Will levis Is stock is skyrocketing. CJ. Stroud stock
is plummeting. Houston's gonna take Will Levis.

Speaker 1 (02:23:25):
That didn't happen.

Speaker 4 (02:23:26):
They took the right guy, obviously, Yeah, CJ.

Speaker 2 (02:23:29):
Stroud. So there's a lot of smoke screens, you know.
Right now the latest have both Pennix and Nix not
even going in the first round. That after the top
three quarterbacks, So after Kayleb Williams and Drake May and
Jayden Daniels, JJ McCarthy, there's a big yeah JJ McCarthy, Yeah, yeah,

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you know, I mean this, JJ McCarthy just stand out
as a better prospect than Michael Pennox Junior or Bo Nix.

Speaker 3 (02:23:58):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (02:23:59):
You know that's hard because he does come from winning
a Natty.

Speaker 2 (02:24:02):
Yeah he does.

Speaker 4 (02:24:03):
So how much weight does well?

Speaker 2 (02:24:05):
So Stetson Bennett went back to back.

Speaker 1 (02:24:06):
National champions that yeah, yeah, right now, I see.

Speaker 2 (02:24:11):
Completely a wall we think so heard about. Let's find
out what's trending right now. Perhaps he can lend Do
we have a Stetson Bennett update for this? He's twenty
seven years old, that's the update again, he was twenty six.
I was like twenty five his last year in college.

Speaker 8 (02:24:27):
My personal belief in this is if you can rent
the car without having to extra fees after you turn
twenty five, your eligibility's up.

Speaker 5 (02:24:36):
Well.

Speaker 2 (02:24:36):
And as we were talking earlier with Adam Kappan about this,
when you're when you suddenly talking about quarterbacks that have
five to six or more years at the collegiate level
and they've played well, have they hit their ceiling exact?
Because you that's the biggest challenge for every NFL scout,
every NFL general manager, every NFL coach in looking at

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the draft is what is their ceiling? Where are they
going to get once they get to the NFL? And
I may be able to interest you in this, all right.
You know you've been talking a lot about Penix, talking
a lot about Nicks.

Speaker 8 (02:25:10):
Yeah, there's another transfer quarterback that I feel like no
one is talking about. And he's been the meet this offseason.
The most impressive through the Senior Bowl in the combine.
Spencer Radler. Yeah, Spencer Radler. And you know, Cliff Kingsbury's
got an eye for him. He generally's got a pretty
good eye for quarterbacks. And I think Spencer Radler, you know,
he'll probably be a second or third round pick, but

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I think he could step in.

Speaker 2 (02:25:32):
And be a good player. Yeah, I mean, you know,
the whole situation with him and Caleb Williams. Remember you
remember the great thing about Radley He got those nil
deals immediately. I remember that it was an ad with
him with two different cars, like and by the middle
of the season the guy had been benched for the
freshman Caleb Williams. I thought you were gonna mention Sam Hartman.
Sam Hartman in the mixed still or is he got

(02:25:54):
more eligibility?

Speaker 8 (02:25:55):
Like Sam Hartman gives me like ten year backup vibes,
you know, like like a good Ryan Fitzpatrick, Salid Charlie Whitehurst.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
You know, it kind of looks like Charlie with the hair,
you know, I mean, outside of being a star quarterback,
what's a better situation than being a perennial backup? Honestly,
Like forever, I don't think there is one. I mean,
you just sit there with a clipboard and you got
a cap on during the game and scribble a few
things down and come back and do it a year
after year and make some pretty decent money.

Speaker 8 (02:26:23):
I mean, you had Chase Daniel right, he was back
a quarterback Danny for the Charges forever.

Speaker 9 (02:26:28):
He was.

Speaker 2 (02:26:30):
So much free time.

Speaker 8 (02:26:30):
He can walk across the street to NFL Network and
start doing postgame shows.

Speaker 2 (02:26:36):
Ty denmar did it for fourteen years in the NFL.
The Heisman Trophy went ib wait, fourteen years in the NFL.

Speaker 8 (02:26:43):
It's good work if you can get it. Man, tell
us Wilson that, hey, you know, but I don't know
if I don't know if the aligns with Russell Wilson's like,
I'm looking at him right now. I'm telling you, dude,
this kid can spin it all right.

Speaker 2 (02:26:55):
And I look, I know that.

Speaker 8 (02:26:57):
You know, people have all their opinions in South Carolina
stunk out last year, But you know, my time slode
normally Saturdays four to seven, five to eight Pacific time.
I'm ended up watching a lot of these South Carolina
games because there's nothing else on it.

Speaker 2 (02:27:09):
And he had no offensive line, no like it was all.
It was ugly, but he never complained. He kept his
head up and he just look. I look forward to
call right now, Spencer Ratler will emerge as the biggest
surprise quarterback pick in this year's draft.

Speaker 8 (02:27:22):
I'd have him as my QB four rating right now,
behind UH, maybe even three behind UH, behind Caleb Williams
number one and Jaden Daniels number two.

Speaker 4 (02:27:30):
You're dropping Drake May. Have you seen Drake May play?

Speaker 2 (02:27:33):
Yes, I've seen Drake May, see them all. Because he
went to North Carolina. You just think he's another Mitchell Trubisky. No,
I'm not even doing all of that. It's just just not.
Drake May is a better quarterback than Trubisky. A lot
of guys are, you know. And that was the second pick.
By the way, Trubisky had a winning record as the
starting quarterback with the Bears. He had a twelve win season.
Why did they dump him? He had a twelve win

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season with the Bears, Steve because they watched him play.
That's they were fine. There was nothing wrong with him.
He won way more games than he lost. Yeah, I
couldn't do how the Bear has been since Trubisky the
same They were with him. No, they're not not even close.
Look up Trubisky's numbers. He was a winning quarterback.

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
You know.

Speaker 8 (02:28:17):
I wonder if the Steelers would have had a better
position that they had have moved on from miss Trubisky
and just went straight to Mason Rudolph.

Speaker 2 (02:28:23):
I thought Trubisky wouldn't come into the Steelers. Who was
going to get the job. Why it didn't work, I'm
not sure, but it didn't anyway.

Speaker 8 (02:28:30):
Speaking of Russell Wilson, the Athletic is reporting he's likely
to be cut as soon as next week and we'll
be looking for a new home. Another guy looking for
a new home Tyron Smith, the thirteen year veteran left tackle.
He's unlikely to resign with the Cowboys. He and Jerry
Jones could not agree on a new deal. Smith in
eight time Pro Bowler Why receiver Mike Evans expected to
test free agency, with report saying he wants to play

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with an elite quarterback, compete for a Super Bowl, and
be paid like a top wide out, but not ruling
out a return to Tampa Bay. Former Chargers head coach
and this Daily will join the San Francisco forty nine
ers as assistant head coach forty nine ers, also promoting
defensive passing game specialist Nick Sorenson as the new defensive
coordinator again afore mentioned Jayden Daniels, he and Malik Neighbors wide.

Speaker 2 (02:29:12):
Receiver for LSU.

Speaker 8 (02:29:13):
They did not participate in the measurements portion of the combine,
saying they would do so at their pro day March
twenty seventh, and Baton Rouge twenty twelve. Heisman Trophy winner
Johnny Manziel says he will boycott the annual Heisman Trophy
ceremony until two thousand and five winners from USC Reggie
Bush gets his Heisman Trophy back in the NBA point
guard Shake, Milton expected to join the New York Knicks

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after being bought out by the Detroit Pistons earlier this week.
The Nets beat the Hawks one fourteen to one h two.
Michel Bridges had thirty eight points. The Heat beat the
Jazz one twenty six to one twenty Mister fallout boy himself,
Jimmy Butler, had thirty seven in that one. In college basketball,
we had wins for Baylor, South Carolina, Kentucky, Creighton, Iowa State,
and North Carolina. And right now Duke has a sixty

(02:29:56):
five to thirty nine lead with eight point fifty left
in the second half against Virginia.

Speaker 2 (02:30:01):
Steve monts it back to you guys, all right, just
to get in his four years of the Bears. Take
his rookie year out right. His last three years with
the Bears, Mitchell Trubisky's record as a starting quarterback was
twenty five and thirteen, twenty five and thirteen with the Bears,
and they couldn't wait to move on, and they.

Speaker 4 (02:30:19):
They haven't sniffed that kind of record since.

Speaker 2 (02:30:22):
And he had fifty seven touchdowns and thirty picks, so
two to one ratio there, completing sixty five percent of
his passes over those three years, twenty five and thirteen
as the starting quarterback of the Bears those last three years.
It's a good win laws thirteen.

Speaker 4 (02:30:37):
That's a good win loss record, especially for the Bears.

Speaker 2 (02:30:40):
I'd say, so, you.

Speaker 4 (02:30:42):
Know, but you you want to lump him with Drake May.
Obviously you know Drake May, and you know, don't.

Speaker 2 (02:30:48):
Give up on Drake May.

Speaker 8 (02:30:49):
This was pro specially Rattler, and you have twisted me
into being anti Drake.

Speaker 2 (02:30:53):
You were the one that elevated Rattler over Drake May
I think you can play. That's my take, and I'm
sticking to it, all right, that's right. I don't know.
I'm just trying to keep it, keep it straight here,
you know. Yeah, Trubisky, to me is one of the
great mysteries that no one ever talks about normally, a
quarterback who joined a bad team, the Bears second overall pick.

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Of course, it was the same draft that would eventually
have Mahomes in it. But he was twenty five and
thirteen his last three years as the Bears starting quarterback.
That's a pretty good record, and they dumped him and
we've never seen Trubisky since. Remember he was on the
bench for Buffalo for a year. Goes the same thing
that happened in Pittsburgh. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:31:36):
This is why again, when we try to.

Speaker 2 (02:31:39):
Sit here and evaluate quarterback talent, so much of it
just has to do with the organization to go to.
Like if I'm Jaye and Daniels and I end up
in New England, you're not well, let me ask you this,
because Bill Belichick, if you're a mean that Caleb Williams

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goes number one to the Bears. All right, So the
next two picks. Have got the Commanders and the Patriots,
and they both need a quarterback. And you're Jaden Daniels
and Drake May, so one of you is going to
be with the Commanders and the other guy is going
to end up with the Patriots. Which one of those
two teams? If you're Jaden Daniels or Drake May, would

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you want to play for the Commanders or the Belichick
lists Patriots?

Speaker 1 (02:32:29):
You know that's hard because you're you're picking between a
winning historic franchise. Do we franchise that basically is starting over?

Speaker 2 (02:32:41):
Correct? But isn't the aren't the Patriots starting over?

Speaker 1 (02:32:43):
Yeah? But the history is fresh, It's not like it's
thirty years ago.

Speaker 2 (02:32:48):
Formerly known Redskins used to have history until Daniel Snyder
showed up exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:32:52):
The recent history with the Commanders leaves a bad taste
in your mouth because of that, I think with the Patriots,
there's no, you don't have a bad taste. It's like, yeah,
you lost Tom Brady and you lost Bill Belichick, but
the history is still it's recent, it's still positive.

Speaker 2 (02:33:06):
Well, wouldn't that be a negative though? Because ultimately everyone
that follows Tom Brady this is the same thing happened
to UCLA basketball. So it didn't matter how many coaches
showed up for the basketball team, you weren't compared to
your predecessor.

Speaker 4 (02:33:23):
You're always compared to John Wooden.

Speaker 2 (02:33:26):
Yeah, you could be the tenth coach after Wooden, twenty
years after he last coached, and you're still being compared
to him forever. Every quarterback is going to be compared
to Brady, and every coach is going to be compared
to Belichick.

Speaker 1 (02:33:40):
But before you even said that, I was gonna say,
I think I would rather go to Washington, right. I
think that's what I would prefer, which is weird to say, But.

Speaker 4 (02:33:49):
Yeah, I don't think it's a good sta situation for
either one.

Speaker 1 (02:33:53):
I agree, but I'm looking at it as like a
fresh sleep. Yeah, like new ownership, new coach. The fans
want success. I feel like you're coming into a situation
where everybody is arms wide open, you know, like we're
going to just start over. Now that the Patriots don't
want the success. Of course they do, that's all they know.
The fans want that, but it is the expectation is

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a little different.

Speaker 2 (02:34:15):
Well, the badness for Caleb Williams and I know Jim
McMahon got a lot of you know, hype when they
won the Super Bowl in eighty five, but he was
hurt most of his career. The greatest quarterback in Bears
history by far in terms of numbers and championships is
Sid Luckman, who played in the nineteen forties.

Speaker 3 (02:34:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:34:34):
No, it is a graveyard for quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (02:34:38):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:34:39):
Never heard that name in my life.

Speaker 9 (02:34:40):
I know.

Speaker 2 (02:34:41):
Well, now you have all right coming up on the
other side. What to look forward to this week in
the sports agenda? This is Fox Sports Saturday Steve Harban
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steps out of the update room and heads into the studio.
Here our brilliant producer Patrick doing a great job as always. Patrick.

Speaker 4 (02:35:09):
Did you have a chance to sample little of the cookie?
Did Moncey share with you? She did share and it
was amazing, by the way, Thank you again, Moncey.

Speaker 1 (02:35:19):
Thank Denise.

Speaker 2 (02:35:20):
Yeah, thank you Denise. As I say, my stature grows
by those I associate with. That's always the key for me.
Uh I see Mary Mac there, Mary are you? Are
you the Mary Mack is here again?

Speaker 3 (02:35:32):
Yo? Yo?

Speaker 2 (02:35:33):
How are you?

Speaker 1 (02:35:34):
I'm doing good?

Speaker 2 (02:35:34):
Hard? Did you get to share it all the time?
I didn't even I didn't even get a I wasn't
offered nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:35:39):
Well, you weren't here when I went around.

Speaker 2 (02:35:41):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (02:35:43):
I knows the fact you were not here.

Speaker 4 (02:35:46):
Bree came in. She was lucky enough to you sample little.

Speaker 1 (02:35:49):
Definitely.

Speaker 4 (02:35:50):
She said it was literally the greatest thing she's ever
eaten in her life.

Speaker 2 (02:35:55):
All right, that's a very high standards. Yes, well this
is this will meet this.

Speaker 1 (02:36:00):
Wait, they're cookies, right, yeah, cookies?

Speaker 4 (02:36:02):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:36:03):
It's calling it a cookie is sort of like saying
Patrick Mahomes is a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (02:36:08):
Yeah, I've been saying the cookie is the Patrick Mahomes
of cookies. Yes, uh, there, she's a wizard. It better
it better give me wings like red. Yeah, it's gonna
give you fly through this. I will stand on that. Yeah,
we'll see. All right, we'll take a video and post
it me flying and.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
We'll do that. Merry Matt, great stuff, Lorraine of course,
standing by somewhere somewhere, not.

Speaker 4 (02:36:32):
Here at all today He's letting me fly Oh, good.

Speaker 2 (02:36:35):
And you're doing a great job. Thank you very much.
Good job is always here, all right? You know I
I love to sort of say, all right, so what
are we looking forward to? Uh in this upcoming weeks?
I say basketball should be taking center stage. The combines
are going to be wrapping up, and you know we're
going to be talking about you know, what came out
of the combine and everything else. The NFL never leaves

(02:36:57):
our consciousness at all because coming out of the combine
and then all of a sudden you get back to
free agency trade ideas. You know, wow, what if this
guy was there? This guy was there? And this is
something that we always seem to talk about. But I
really think it's going to be an important time for basketball.
Like I said, the most talked about basketball player currently

(02:37:17):
is Caitlin Clark. By the way, in your opinion, does
she need to win a national championship in order to
ascend to being labeled the best?

Speaker 1 (02:37:37):
So no, I actually think that even if she wins
the national championship, a lot of people are still not
going to think she's the best. A lot of people
have their already best female basketball player, and I don't
think it's going to change. If anything, it may be
just like solidifies it. But she's already great, She's already wonderful.
She's a star.

Speaker 2 (02:37:59):
You mentioned we were talking about this software, so you know,
I mentioned when Alex Rodriguez joined the Yankees and they said, well,
Jeter's are shortstop, so you're gonna have to play third base.
And I remember thinking of the time, a Rod is
so much better at shortstop than Jeter. I mean, the
numbers were so lopsided in a Rod's favor in terms

(02:38:23):
of fielding at shortstop. But Jeter's a star, and there
were better baseball players than Jeter, but there was no
bigger star than Jeter.

Speaker 1 (02:38:33):
He was their franchise quarterback, correct.

Speaker 2 (02:38:36):
I mean, he was not just the face of the Yankees.
He was the face of baseball. And it wasn't that
he was always the best player. He never won an
MVP Award. He was the biggest star on the biggest team.
And that's why when we talk about the NBA, the
biggest two stars remain Lebron and Steph. There are a

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lot of great play players in this league, but they're
not stars.

Speaker 1 (02:39:04):
Yeah, I feel like we need to find a different
word for what you are saying as a star because
I I you're.

Speaker 2 (02:39:09):
You're a swiftie. Taylor's is neither the greatest singer nor
the greatest songwriter, but she is by far the biggest star.

Speaker 1 (02:39:19):
She's the biggest star. And so I the more you say,
the more I'm like, I feel like I need a
different word for what you're trying to say, because Donovan
Mitchell is a star, but you are. You are wanting
to say a star is like more than just being
a awesome basketball player, right, Yeah, that is almost like

(02:39:40):
an X factor, right that you cannot describe, You can't
exactly that's what that is what you're asking for. And
Caitlin Clark has that X factor.

Speaker 4 (02:39:49):
Absolutely, she is a star star.

Speaker 2 (02:39:52):
Yeah, I think so, whether it's her game, the circumstances,
or you know, as a native Iowan who stayed in
Iowa and brought the team to a certain level, the
way she plays the game, whatever it is, she has
it in abundance. Actor right, Yeah, that's why again, she
doesn't need any comparisons to pistol Pete Marivitch from fifty

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years ago.

Speaker 4 (02:40:15):
She is a star in her own right, Yeah, nor no.

Speaker 2 (02:40:18):
Comparisons are necessary. Moncy it's been a pleasure, it really
has been. And don't let those cookies go.

Speaker 1 (02:40:25):
I'm going to share it.

Speaker 2 (02:40:26):
Keep it here.

Speaker 4 (02:40:26):
This is Fox Sports.