Steve Hartman & Nikki Kay Talk Shedeur's Poor Finale, the Return of College Football & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio living the dream
once again here on a fully loaded Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
This is Fox Sports Saturday, and once again we are alive.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
From the four Fox Sports Radio studios.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Now, I say living the dream, but I tell you
who's not living the dream right now.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Our producer Ian, my co host Nikki.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And thousands of other people on the god forsaken four
oh five Freeway, the worst freeway on the entire planet,
aka the San Diego Freeway.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
It's always a mess.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It's a mess, and apparently they have locked down just
about the entire freeway right now, so I know they're listening.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
You get here.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
When you get here, don't worry about that. Bo's gonna
play a little overtime today. We've got Iowa Sam in
the building.

Speaker 4 (00:56):
Sam.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
It's great to see you today.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Is this all about you being here with your cyclones
in Dublin today?

Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:03):
Yeah, nice momentum building win for them. It was kind
of a sloppy game, but they got to do that
was sloppy.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
I'm going to get into the whole idea of why
why are we playing games in Dublin? Uh, Isaac Low
and Crawn.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
So we're gonna hold great to have all you guys
here today.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
All right, So we got a lot of ground to cover,
and I do want to get to the whole idea
of why we're opening a college football season in Dublin, Ireland.
But first we gotta we got to address, uh, what
happening are still happening right now in this preseason matchup
between the Rams and the Browns. Inside two minutes to
go and obviously a very meaningless game right now, although

(01:47):
things could change dramatically because we have one guy in
this game that desperately is trying to come up with
some positive takeaway. You only give a little taste of
what has happened to him already today, Sam, can you
play this low light from Shadour Sanders day added the.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
Shotgun on second down, Sanders backpedaling, pressured again, spins away,
now backpedaling. This looks like Colorado Sanders sack back at
the twenty three.

Speaker 7 (02:20):
So he's not getting the open receivers and he's starting
to develop drift back into some of his bad habits
drifting back there. You have two negative plays that lose.
I can't even how many yards was that one? Our
great statistician, right there twenty two yard sack. You can't
take a twenty two yard sack in the National Football League.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
All right, So Schadeur Sanders. By the way, the Browns
down one have been Shadoor Sanders, and they have brought
in Tyler Huntley to try to lead a final drive
for a game.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Winning field goal.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
So here was an opportunity if you're committed to Shardoor
Sanders saying, all right, forget everything that's happened. We're going
to give you like a two minute run here, try
to get us in position to maybe win this preseason
game with a field goal. Instead, Sanders gets benched. So
let me go over the quarterback stats for the Browns

(03:11):
in this game, and keep in mind the Rams.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
Played nobody today.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
In fact, the Rams have played the entire game with
dresser Win at quarterback. I challenge anybody out there to
tell me where this guy came from. Dresser Win, Bo,
have you ever heard the name dresser Win?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Anybody? He played in the UFL last year?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I believe UFL. There you go, Dresser Win. He's played
the entire game for the Rams. So the Rams played
nobody today. Joe Flacco got the start nine to ten
seventy one yards touchdown.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
All right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Dylan Gabriel came in twelve of nineteen hundred and twenty
nine yards, one touchdown, no picks, no sacks.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Then they handed the ball to Shadoor Sanders.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Keep in mind he's going against the Rams second third string.
Almost everybody he's playing against will not be on the
Rams roster on opening day. Three or six, fourteen yards
of fumble, five sacks for negative forty one yards. That is,

(04:26):
that is a net negative twenty seven yards passing for
Chadour Sanders. Now, if you were to base his future
with the Browns on this game, he will be released tomorrow. Now,
I again, if people kept shaking their heads about Shudoor

(04:49):
Sanders and how it was that this guy fell from
a projected, you know, top three pick in the draft
all the way down to the fifth round, and then
my dear friend Eric Dickerson breaking the story this week
that he had a very very reliable source. And having
known Eric as long as I have, this guy's not

(05:10):
going to give anything out that isn't true, all right,
So I trust Eric one hundred percent when he says
this was a very very high.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
Ranking source in the league.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
All right, let's hear my buddy ed And this is
what he had to say about the NFL basically complying.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
To not draft Shudoor Sanders.

Speaker 8 (05:34):
And I'll tell you as much here what I and
what I heard from someone that's in the NFL that
the NFL put it told of the don't draft him,
do not draft him. We're gonna make him, We're gonna
make an example out of him. And this came from
a very good source, a very good source. And he
said that I won't say who. Somebody called the Cleveland
Browns and said, don't do that. Draft really, yep, draft him,

(05:57):
don't don't. Don't do that, because they weren't drafted either.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
They Yeah, the whole You remember, you remember when Cleveland
took him in the fifth round after I already taken
Dylan Gabriel in the third round. And you know, now
they have the cameras inside these draft rooms and you're
you're looking at the faces of the general manager, of
the coaches and everybody else.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
And it didn't matter.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
It could be a six to seven round pick, you know,
every time the camera's on their steps.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
Oh yeah, yeah, we got.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
The guy we want, got the guy we want when
they had the cameras set on them. After drafting Shadoor Sanders,
stone faced across the board.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So why did the Browns.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Draft Shoodoor Sanders If they didn't want Shadoor Sanders, you
drafted Dylan Gabriel in the third round, why would you
use a fifth round pick on Shoodoor Sanders. Didn't make
any sense then, doesn't make any sense now. But now,
of course the Browns have got themselves a problem.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
It's a pr problem.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
This week they announced that Joe Flacco is going to
be their Week one quarterback. Of course he is. He's
a proven quarterback in the NFL. If you're Kevin Stefanski,
your job is to try to win games so you
can keep your job. But this outrage how Shadoor Sanders

(07:15):
should be your starting quarterback. Today, Shadoor Sanders showed why
he was not ever considered an elite quarterback prospect, because
to be an elite quarterback you have to do two things. One,

(07:40):
you have to throw the ball accurately, which he certainly
did at Colorado.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Of course, it.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Helps when you have a receiver like Travis Hunter. But
that aside, he was able to get the ball there.
He doesn't have a canon arm, nothing close to that,
but in a controlled situation, he could get the ball
from point A to point B. But here's the problem.
To be an elite quarterback, Throwing the ball accurately is

(08:10):
half of what you need. The other half is making
the right decision when the ball is snapped and his
inability to realize that getting rid of the football instead
of taking a ten yard sack a twelve yard sack
as he did today, a twenty two yard sack will

(08:36):
never play in the NFL, ever, so this is going
to be a very interesting week. Flacco is your starting
quarterback in the battle between Dylan Gabriel and Schoudeur Sanders.
Gabriel wins and Shouldur loses, You're going to keep both

(08:58):
of them, to keep him on the practice squad. Are
you gonna shop them around a fifth round pick? Do
you think anyone would give up any draft capital for
chudor Sanders? And the pr fallout for the Browns is
gonna be horrific because if they.

Speaker 3 (09:14):
Release him, oh, people are going to be all over them.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Label it any way you want, because should Or Sanders
is someone and this always gets back to you don't
want to do this for someone that is not a
starting player. Should door Sanders was competing to be a

(09:43):
backup quarterback for the Cleveland Browns, But he's getting the
attention of someone that's projected to be a franchise quarterback.
So the Browns have done so many things.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Wrong, so many things wrong.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
That Deshaun Watson signing was a catastrophe, so you're still
dealing with that. But drafting Chaudeur Sanders could even be
a bigger pr nightmare for the Browns. And this is
not that I'm rooting against him, it's just who he
is as a quarterback. Think about this. In the college game,

(10:25):
sacks are counted as rushing yards. If you ever wonder
why it is that you see these players with negative
yards rushing and the college game as opposed to sacks
in the NFL are not. Rushing yards are a separate category,
so they're not counted as rushing yards against the quarterback
when the quarterback gets sacked, but in the college game
they are, And in both of his years at Colorado

(10:48):
he finished the season with negative rushing yards. We're in
an era now where you need quarterbacks that can win
with the arm, win with the legs. That's where it's at.
And if you're not capable of winning with your legs, then.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
You better be.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
You better have super human talent in throwing the football,
and Shardeor Sanders does not have that. So it was
a catastrophe for Shardoor Sanders today and a catastrophe for
the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
By the way, Tyler Huntley came in as they bent
Shardoor Sanders on that final drive and actually just led
the Browns to a game winning field goal.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
So Flack will play great dealing, Gabriel played great, and
on that final drive, Tyler Huntley played great, and Shadoor
Sanders was a disaster.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
All right.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
Coming up, we got a lot more going on. Nikky's
on our way, I see it. Ian's in the house
right now. We're gonna do a lot of football.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Including why it is that we had to watch the
opening game of the college football season in Dublin. Ire in.
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(13:28):
the four h five.

Speaker 3 (13:29):
Mess I mentioned that at the top, for.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
People that don't live in southern California, we are actually
our studios here are right next to the busiest intersection
of freeways in the entire world. The four five to
the one oh one nothing, No freeway intersection anywhere in

(13:54):
La or anywhere on the planet has more traffic then
the four or five to the one on one. You
can see it both ways, one on one to get
on the four or five, four or five to get back.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
On the one on one.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It is a nightmare, now, Ian, you were coming on
the four or five? Am I correct? Is that correct?

Speaker 3 (14:11):
Ian? That's correct?

Speaker 5 (14:13):
And then to make things worse, they closed most of
the lanes for it.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Okay, that was this because of an accident? Was there
another one of their less construction attruction?

Speaker 3 (14:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Remember they actually closed down these freeways a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Like it was unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
As if driving in La isn't a big enough nightmare,
they actually shut down like the four or five freeway.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
Isa, you remember that.

Speaker 12 (14:42):
They called it Karmageddon. Ironically, I remember it was actually
not that bad.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
You know why it wasn't that bad Because there was
so much forewarning, people just decided to avoid the area.

Speaker 12 (14:52):
Yes, the rest of the time it's been Carmageddon.

Speaker 5 (14:54):
Though this didn't have any warning, no warning, and so
when there was no warning, you say, well, wait a second,
it's it's like Saturday.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I mean, how much traffic is there? Oh, I'm coming.
See I'm coming from a different direction. I'm coming up
the one on one toward the four h five and
usually there's a log jam trying to get onto the
four to five. So Nikki is in the mix mid
midst of what is that midst midst? Thank you very much, Sam,
midst of this and she'll get here when she gets here. Okay,

(15:24):
Well I'm glad Iowa Sam is here today because first
of all, I'm watching this game between Iowa Stayed and
Kansas State. What network was caring that was.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
That there was ESPN.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Okay, Yeah, here's what I don't understand when you are
bringing an event like this on television. So in the
pregame build up to this matchup to top twenty five teams, Okay,
Iowa State Kansas State both projected to be very solid

(15:57):
teams this year, so it's a good matchup. So they
have someone in the street in Dublin talking to people
about this game. So they're just taking random people. They're like, so,
can you name a single college football team in America?

Speaker 8 (16:18):
No?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Okay, next person, how many points do you get awarded
for a touchdown? I have no idea, and it's like
one question after another. So I'm thinking to myself, ro.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
We have decided to open the college football season Week
zero with two top twenty five teams.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
So it's a big game for both these teams in
a place that has no clue about college football? What
is the point? Dublin used to be a nice place
where Notre Dame used to play at Dublin. All right,
people know Notre Dame at Dublin. I'm sure they know
Notre Dame. You know, they don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
They don't know Kansas State, and they don't know Iowa State.
They could not point out on a map where the
states of Kansas or Iowa r So why exactly was
this game played in Dublin, Ireland? I got it when
you had the fighting irish of Notre Dame having a

(17:30):
game in Dublin. Okay, that makes sense, But to have
Iowa State and Kansas State in Dublin, Iolan. It makes
no sense. What about Florida State and Georgia Tech last year?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
No sense I said the same thing last year.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
They did a good crowd though here for this game. Okay,
a lot of Iowa State fans. It was like good, good,
good time.

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I will give it to the Iowa State and Kansas
State fans that made the long trip to sit in
the pouring rain in Dublin, Ireland. The game was, unfortunately
because of the weather, sloppy right off the bad fumbled
punt return and then fumbled pitch back and it was
two turnovers within like four plays to start the game.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
And they're like, oh man, it was slippery balls. Yeah,
it's a problem. But again, okay, so what did we
prove it?

Speaker 2 (18:19):
In states like Kansas and Iowa where there is no
NFL football, they'll travel for their team.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
That's all they got. So they yeah, they'll.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Travel, and hey, let's make a trip and let's go
to Dublin, Ireland.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
No, not on Dublin.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
But there's no reason to have this game there, especially
a game that actually matters, because it mattered for both
these teams.

Speaker 5 (18:39):
Today, it's the air Lingus College Football Kickoff Classic the
air Lingis.

Speaker 12 (18:44):
By the way, Steve, didn't your beloved Bruins once play
a regulation college basketball game against Georgia Tech in China?

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yes, well I know why they did, and we know
we know what happened with that game.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Yes, we do. Yes, what They're arrested and in prison.
One of the ball brothers, the one that didn't matter. Yeah,
that guy. So again, this fascinating.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
I've said this about the NFL, this fascination about bringing
American football overseas.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Stop it.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
The rest of the world has football. We have football.
We don't have to share it with the rest of
the world. Play making plenty of money here in the
United States, on both the professional and collegiate levels.

Speaker 3 (19:40):
Stop.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think Dublin's tourism bureau is pretty happy about this.
They get a late August you know, Oh, don't give
me this crap, a bunch of America.

Speaker 3 (19:54):
You know what, Sam, you're you're.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
If Iowa State had lost that game, you would be
curse like, why was this game played there?

Speaker 3 (20:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (20:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, because I know they're Wildcat fans saying it right now?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
What was that about?

Speaker 2 (20:07):
We played in some deluge in Dublin, Ireland in a
key game.

Speaker 5 (20:13):
Why are we there, Well, I know Iowa State because
of their massive budget shortfall because of a bunch of stuff.
They're like, we have one fewer home game this year,
so that's going to impact our bottom line.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
All right, Well, we were also going to get into,
you know, the whole change in landscape is college football
because you know the college football Playoff.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
I knew this was going to happen last year. I
forewarned everybody.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
You know.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
You remember how we used to complain about the BCS
championship game. Remember how we used to complain about that
where we you know, some computer system would decide which
two teams should face off in a so called And
by the way, all of these are mythical national championships.
There has never been an NCAA champion in Division one

(21:01):
football ever.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Stop with that, Steve. There's never been one. You always
on this horse.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
Every single sport, at every single level, Division two, Division
three FCS men's women's there is an NCAA champion except
for one sport, Division one football. So when people talk
about how many national championships you won in college football,
the answer to all of them is zero. There has

(21:31):
never been a legitimate national champion in Division one football ever.
I mean you can make an argument, well that was
the best team. Come on, I saw them. They were
absolutely great.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
They were great.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
BCS national champions, by.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Champ champions, UPI champions back in the day. I mean,
there's there's a lot of different national champions Take a
look at the roster. They have multiple teams every year.
The MacArthur Bowl, they give that away. The National Football
Foundations still give that thing away. So the teams lay
claim to a variety of different national championships over the years.

(22:12):
The bottom line is none of them are actually legit.
So now you decide we're going to have a playoff
and we're going to expand the field.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
Great idea, but you fed up on this one.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
The format proved to be a failure a year ago,
and now they're talking about expanding it to make it
even a bigger disaster. I have a solution, but first
let's find out what is trending right now, and well,
ISAA glowing crime.

Speaker 12 (22:46):
It's been a while, hasn't it.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Ilo. When I think of centuries that we have been together,
it's because you're both vampires.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
You live forever? Is that why?

Speaker 12 (22:58):
I literally remember listening to you in my crib. Yes,
I was trapped that and I'm trapped now.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
We could do I mean, you know, it's funny. I
watch YouTube channels. I see people I know doing these
YouTube shows.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
Some of them you know about, some of them you
don't know about.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
But I watch these YouTube shows and these guys are
telling stories.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
And I'm just like, you want a YouTube show. Oh boy?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
I could just do a show with Isaac Longcron every
week and we will give you stories that will trump
and obliterate anything else that you're yapping about on your
YouTube channel, like the.

Speaker 12 (23:45):
Time you almost got us assassinated by a drug kingpin
and Miami Beach would be the least interesting of all
those stories.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
It is a true story. But again, we'll save it. Okay,
we'll save it. You know, if you want to know,
you want to know that story, iilo and I will
put it together at some point.

Speaker 3 (24:03):
But in the meantime, a very very busy day on
what has been the worst day of Shador Sanders' life.

Speaker 12 (24:10):
Okay, yeah, let's start there. The Cleveland Browns defeating the
Rams nineteen to seventeen is Cleveland's Andre Schmidt kicked the
game winning thirty seven yard field goal at the gun,
capping off a game winning drive led by Tyler Huntley.
He brought the Browns forty six yards over the final
two minutes and three seconds after having an interception nullified

(24:31):
by a ram penalty. So Joe Flacco started the game
nine of ten for seventy one and a touchdown pass
Dylan Gabriel twelve of nineteen for one twenty nine with
a touchdown pass. Shador Sanders came in. He was three
of six for fourteen yards, sacked five times, including one
sack for a twenty four yard loss. The Houston Texans
won at Detroit twenty six to seven. Houston rookie quarterback

(24:53):
Graham Mertz, a sixth round pick out of Florida, fourteen
of sixteen for one forty five with a touchdown pass
Denvers bow Knicks head of fourteen for one to ten
at a touchdown in their twenty nine to nineteen victory
at New Orleans. The Baltimore Ravens wonted Washington thirty to three.
Baltimore placekicker Tyler Loop three field goals, including a fifty
two yarder at a sixty one yarder and the Indianapolis

(25:15):
Colts won at Cincinnati forty one to fourteen. College football
number twenty two Iowa State defeated seventeenth rank Kansas State
twenty four to twenty one in Dublin, Ireland. Big Baseball
news the Philadelphia Phillies that has to pitcher Zach Wheeler
will be out for the rest of the season. Wheeler
had successful surgery to remove a blood clot from his
right arm five days ago, and now in the coming

(25:37):
weeks he will also undergo thoracic outlet decompression surgery. One
game that has gone final in Major League Baseball, how
about this? The Boston Red Sox beat the Yankees at
Yankee Stadium twelve to one. They scored seven runs at
the top of the ninth inning. Boston's Garrett Crochet eleven
strikeouts in seven innings for the win to improve his

(25:59):
record to thirteen and five. Always special if they're named.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Garrett A Steve, Yes, exactly, very special.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (26:08):
Isa.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I'm just thinking about, you know, putting your life in danger,
how close you were.

Speaker 12 (26:16):
It frequently happens when I'm in your company, including probably today.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
All right, Thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
We will check in with you a little bit later
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see someone enter the studio right now on oh my
go well again, Nikki. Look for people that choose to

(27:00):
live in this city, and I have. I'm from here.
This is my home, my whole life. You know, I
ventured to San Diego for several years, but you know
I was born in La actually born in Hollywood, California,
and I've been here a long time. And the nightmare

(27:20):
just never ends. And then you get thrown for loop
a curve like you did on the four or five today,
and it just screws.

Speaker 13 (27:29):
Up your dead are we are the epitome of the
snl skit the Californians when all you do is talk
about traffic as part of your introduction. And I hate
to be that cliche right now, but it's a normal
twenty twenty five minute commute for me ended up being
an hour and a half today, and I learned a
very valuable lesson. Normally, I defer to the GPS your maps.

(27:52):
I don't use ways or anything fancy. I say, stick
to what you give me. And you know, I got
a little cheeky thinking on top of the four h
five being completely shut down, which I've never seen before.
It was kind of eerie. I thought, let me be
smarter than the maps and takes a pulvidap which goes
right by our lovely campus as UCLA Brewers. Yes, and

(28:15):
boy was I wrong. So I've been humbled, humbled by
the traffic gods today.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Well, the fact that both of us know the four
or five having gone to UCLA, yes, all too well.
It is, as we have said, we are studios here
Fox Sports Radio Studios. You can actually see what is
the busiest intersection of freeway in the entire planet.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
It's not even close.

Speaker 2 (28:38):
The four five and one oh one intersect literally right
outside our Fox Sports radio studios. It is the busiest
freeway intersection on the planet, and not just La, the
entire planet.

Speaker 8 (28:48):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
And then you.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Decide to shut down the four five. Let's let's shut
it down Saturday. Nobody's on the road right on a Saturday.
Let's just shut it.

Speaker 13 (28:57):
Nobody wants to get to the beach, right, No, yes, no,
there's it's it's head and south.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
To so only one hundred degrees outside. So yeah, let's
let's shut down the four or five on a Saturday.
All right, Well that is side.

Speaker 13 (29:08):
Nick, Thank you and thank you, and the apology goes
without saying, but we're here, we are here so thrilled
to speak with you.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I want to catch you up on what has certainly
been the story of the day, and that was the
disastrous day for Shudor Sanders. It was a catastrophe. I'm
gonna I'm gonna give you the numbers again.

Speaker 13 (29:27):
Three sacks and he didn't even play the first half.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
Oh no, no, it was five.

Speaker 13 (29:31):
So oh it was five.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yeah. Yeah. Let me update you on exactly the numbers.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Here are the numbers. Today, the Cleveland Browns played against
the Rams. I did a preview this game on l A.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
TV last night, and we were talking about the fact
that the Rams who didn't play No.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
One and they didn't their starting quarterback. He played the
entire game Dresser win. Anybody Dresser win. That was the
quarterback game, though Dresser is your first name. Dresser win, w.

Speaker 3 (29:58):
I n n uh played the tire game for the
Rams today. By the way, he had a passer ratio
of one oh five point three, not two bad. Wow.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
So Joe Flacco started for the Browns. He was nine
to ten seventy one yards a touchdown, no picks. That's
a passer radio one twenty nine point six.

Speaker 13 (30:14):
I just I just love Joe. Yeah, well, Joe, I'm
forty years old.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
He still knows how to play this game. Okay, So let's.

Speaker 13 (30:22):
Suck shootor and then I want to circle back to Joe.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Then we brought in Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
So Dylan Gabriel came in and he played the rest
of the first half twelve to nineteen hundred and twenty
nine yards a touchdown, no picks, passer ratio of one
hundred point five.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So Dylan Gabriel getting a little bit better each time out.

Speaker 13 (30:38):
And he's a competitor, not an entertainer, remember.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
That, correct, So now they hand the ball to shirt
Sanders for the second half. His final stats three for
six passing fourteen yards, five sacks for forty one yards
in losses, and a QB rating of fifty six point two.
And then, to add insult to injury, when the Browns

(31:04):
got the ball back after the Rams took it lately,
they had time for one last drive. Figuring maybe Shaudor
could redeem himself, they bench him and they bring in
Tyler Huntly for that final drive and he leads the
Browns down to a game winning field goal. So, based
on what we saw today, Shador Sanders is going to

(31:25):
get released.

Speaker 13 (31:27):
Yeah, I mean, and especially when you think about that
quarterback room right there, it's kind of been the whole
storyline of the preseason, the offseason Cleveland. That's a crowded
QB room, and then you got a name like Shadur
in there, which is an attention magnet. It's it's it's
hard because there's no I mean, you look at the

(31:49):
two guys who literally took the field before them before him,
incremental improvement for Dylan Gabriel, and then Shadoor just doesn't
meet the moment, and he's been given a lot of
a lot of rope, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
Why why why did the Browns draft Shadoor Sanders? If again,
if you're if you're going to take a quarterback that's
going to get that kind of attention, right, it's got
to be a starting quarterback. So when it was announced
this week that Joe Flacco is going to be the

(32:27):
game one starter, of course he's going to be the
game one starter.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Kevin Stefanski's trying to save his job. I need a
quarterback I know that knows my offense, A guy that
was there two years ago, comeback player of the Year,
getting off the couch. He knows me, I know him,
he knows his team. He's my starting quarterback. But you
do not need the noise that's come along with Shadoor

(32:51):
Sanders when all he's doing is competing for a backup
job with Dylan Gabriel. And then when it was announced
this week that Joe Flacco would be the Week one start,
Uh duh?

Speaker 13 (33:01):
Right, oh oh?

Speaker 3 (33:03):
Can you not give it to Shador?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Did you see what he did against Carolina in that
first preseason game.

Speaker 13 (33:10):
It's just distraction after distraction.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
You don't need that from a backup.

Speaker 13 (33:15):
Court and in a preseason game when you have numbers
like that too.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Can you imagine the fallout this week if they release him?

Speaker 13 (33:21):
Did you say forty one yards for loss?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Forty one his net passing yardageiative negative twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (33:29):
I was gonna say, like, it shouldn't even be allowed
to you shouldn't even be allowed to say he was
three for six for fourteen yards and then follow it
up with.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yeah, was it like oh no, no, yeah, Hey Sam,
can you play again the call of this sack for Nikki?

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Here?

Speaker 3 (33:47):
Listen? Listen too?

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Is a Sicilian who's doing the Browns preseason games. I
know Andrew is like there, they're regular play by play.

Speaker 5 (33:57):
It sounds like Andrew Siciliana.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
I'm not sure though, Yeah, there could.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Be some Wait, Isaac would know Isaac, Isaac who was on.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
The Andrew it is, because that's what did they do
the TV and the radio during the.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Preseason, Our dear friend Andrew Siciliana. All right, this is
Andrew Siciliano, who's the play by play voice of the
Cleveland Browns. Listen, do we have to say about this
unbelievable sack that Shudor Sanders took out.

Speaker 4 (34:21):
Of the shotgun.

Speaker 6 (34:22):
On second down, Sanders back pedaling, pressured again, spins away
now backpedaling just looks like Colorado. Sanders sack back at
the twenty three.

Speaker 7 (34:31):
So he's not getting the open receivers and he's starting
to develop drift back into some of his bad habits
drifting back. There, you have two negative plays that lose.
I can't even how many yards was that one? Our
great statistician right there, twenty two yard sack. You can't
take a twenty two yard sack in the National Football League.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
No, you cannot, No, you can't.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
And this was again a guy in two years at Colorado,
where sacks are counted as rushing yards. They don't do
that in the NFL. It's a separate category. But in college,
if you are a quarterback and you get sacked, it's
negative rushing yards. He had negative rushing.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Yards both years he was at Colorado because he not
just took a lot of sacks, he took big sacks,
which was a warning to NFL teams that the one
thing you need out of a quarterback is the ability
to make quick decisions when to get rid of the ball,
where to throw the ball.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
You've got to make this. It's not enough to throw
the ball accurately when you have time, it's being able
to think on your feet and make those quick decisions.
And what he showed today, well you can take a
three yards sack, but not a twenty yards.

Speaker 13 (35:38):
Right, exactly exactly like that's what I was getting, you know.
But in livetime, those broadcasters andrew calling him out saying
he's regressed, he's falling back into his collegiate tendencies.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Well that's it.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
That's the end of the preseason. Now you got to
make a decision. If you're the Cleveland Browns, are you
going to keep him? You're not going to keep o
Shador Sanders and Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 13 (36:03):
Do you think do you think anyone else would pick
him up?

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Why?

Speaker 13 (36:07):
I know?

Speaker 4 (36:08):
For what?

Speaker 2 (36:09):
To get more noise, because again, the problem for the
Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
Right now is they got a pr nightmare.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
They are for a quarterback, Well they are. They've already
created a peer with the Deshaun Watson situation. But you've
done this for a quarterback that was never going to
be your starting quarterback. You gave people that were defending
Shador Sanders, especially after he dropped in the draft that
this guy deserves to be a starting quarterback in the
NFL the Rams. He was going against Rams players that

(36:38):
are not even gonna be on the roster.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
They're all going to be looking for jobs in a
couple of weeks. And he took five sacks for forty
one yards and losses.

Speaker 13 (36:46):
But something tells me this isn't the end of the
Shadoor Sanders.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Why not?

Speaker 13 (36:52):
I just can't. I can't believe that this is the
end of him in our in our football discourse.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, outside of being Dion Sun, what other story do
we have about Shudor Sanders.

Speaker 13 (37:08):
Well, I feel like we're going to be told a
story we're gonna be.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
We've been told a lot of shit.

Speaker 13 (37:14):
Yeah yeah, But I just I'm having a very hard
time believing that that's the last we'll see of him.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Well, again, the Browns have made so many bad decisions.

Speaker 13 (37:24):
It wouldn't be shocked.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
I guess that would not be a shocker.

Speaker 13 (37:27):
You're Week seven starters.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
We had the college football season underway. Week zero is
already well underway. But what about the future now of
college football? We got to get into some of that.
Also coming up on the next satur Adam Kaplan is
going to be joining us final tour around the NFL
training camps.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
This is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 10 (37:51):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
It was a challenge, but she got here.

Speaker 13 (37:57):
We're back, We're back.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
She got here, she got.

Speaker 13 (38:00):
I was kind of bumming because I love I love
talking chop with you.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
I know, Nikki.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, we have fun. We have a lot to talk about.
And it's the best because we now week zero.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
All right, college football season is underway once again Fox
Sports Saturday. We're live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
Mentioned coming up in the next hour, Adam Kaplan, our
NFL insider, will join us. He had one final tour
of all the training camps, so we have so many
stories to get to see.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
This is the problem with the preseason football is that
we have all right, this is the final week of
preseason football games and then he got the bye week.
So next week it's all college football week one, full
college football schedule. Hey, before we get to where they're
going next with this college football playoff, I mentioned really
it's been the story today. Shudoor Sanders just had a

(38:47):
catastrophic day today in his final preseason game three to six,
passing fourteen yards, sacked five times for forty one yards
and losses. This despite the fact that every other quarterback
for the Browns play well. Flacco played well, Dylan Gabriel
played well, Tyler Huntley played well on the final drive.
But after the game, apparently we do have some audio

(39:11):
here of Shador Sanders talked about being yanked from that
final drive of the game where you know, he could
have redeemed himself. Instead, they threw in Tyler Huntley, who
did lead the Browns to a game winning field goal.
But here was Shadoor Sanders to that decision.

Speaker 14 (39:31):
Guy, Yeah, I didn't know I was out. Yeah, I
didn't know I was. You know, I was on the bike.

Speaker 4 (39:36):
I was powering up.

Speaker 14 (39:38):
You know, I was powering up for that two minute
drive because you know, that's just the situation every point
that dreams for as many situations I've been more thought
it I was in. So then he told me I
wasn't in another go go.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Okay, So he was ready to go, I thought at
the end of the game, after the Rams scored to
take the lead, Okay, should will get an opportunity now
to save his day. Instead, he gets benched for Tyler Huntley,
who they just picked up after Kenny Pika got hurt.
So what is the message that Kevin Stefanskia gave Shador
Sanders in an absolutely meaningless preseason game to bench him

(40:16):
for that final drive.

Speaker 13 (40:18):
I think I think you just showed him you don't
have what it takes right now.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
Right, Well, they have to make a personnel decision, yeah, Nikki.

Speaker 13 (40:26):
And apparently Shador in his postgame presser held himself well
right and took accountability. And so I don't know if
his futures in Cleveland, I'd kind of be shocked if
he's on that fifty three man roster after today.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I guess you could throw him on the practice squad,
which will him open to any team that wants to
add him to their fifty three man roster. But yeah,
that was that was in his face. He handled it well,
all right. We got much more as we have the
final week of the NFL preseason, going to break it
down right here on Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio rolling along here
on another fabulous Sports Saturday.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
This is Fox Sports Saturday.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
We're broadcasting live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Adam Kaplan,
our Fox Sports Radio NFL Insider is going to be
joining us, coming up here in about twenty minutes, and
we'll have lots to catch up with ad him as
he is touring all the NFL training camps. You know, Nick,
we sit here and we're like, there's so many stories
going into this upcoming NFL season. One of the big

(41:33):
stories obviously is Aaron Rodgers is quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers.
I don't know if you saw this, but his helmet
doesn't fit properly. Did you see this helmet situation?

Speaker 4 (41:44):
No?

Speaker 13 (41:45):
It am I going to act.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
So they introduce what they are.

Speaker 2 (41:48):
It's called a new helmet, and basically it makes his
head look like a p head in an oversized helmet
and he's not half and he's like one. It makes
me look ridiculous. And he's all about appearance, as you know.
And he's not comfortable with his helmet.

Speaker 3 (42:10):
As you know. He has always had the single chin strap.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
He is a shut helmet for most of his career,
and they said it wasn't that he couldn't use it anymore.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Right, so he can't use the helmet that he wants.

Speaker 13 (42:24):
He described it looking like a damn spaceship.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Correct, he doesn't. So his head looks so tiny in
this giant helmet. And the worst thing for him is
not the practicality or safety measure they an't care about,
it's how do I look in this helmet? So he
doesn't look good.

Speaker 13 (42:45):
It looks like okay, so the shut AIRXP pro Q
eleven Limited, Yes, that was the band model. He's been
experimenting with different models, including the shut ERXP pro VTD two,
and he is frustrated by the appearance and the fit.

(43:05):
You know, he does look like for anyone who isn't
able to pull up one of one of the images
of Aaron Rodgers, I mean, look at this, it's comedy.
He looks like one of the guys in Star Wars,
the good guys right when they're in the I'm gonna get,
you know, massacred for not knowing, Well, what do you
call the good guys in Star Wars? Are you a

(43:26):
Star Wars person?

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I'm not talking about the rebels with the big fireman.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
This is Aaron Rodgers in a normal helmet like he
had here Nikki, as you can see that that was
Aaron Rodgers in his normal helmet, and now he's got this.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I mean, it's just it's absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (43:42):
It's just knowing the comedy around him though, and how
seriously he takes everything he says. Honestly, I'm here for
the imagery. I think it's great, give us something to
laugh at.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Well. My favorite was the fact that his self serving.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
Document Enigma was comical in the sense that he is
the most transparent person I think, possibly imagine he's anything but.

Speaker 13 (44:11):
In enigma exactly exactly.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
I mean, he is the polar opposite of an enigma.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
He may think he's presenting an enigma, but he's the
easiest reading in a room.

Speaker 13 (44:22):
You can read him like a book like And there
is nothing in my in my opinion as a woman,
more comical than a man who takes himself so seriously
and presenting that era of mystery that it becomes it's
like a bit right, you know, he's upholding this identity

(44:42):
that we all I would say, we all can you
know see right through?

Speaker 10 (44:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
I mean, You're not an enigma. You are creating a facade.
You're not true to yourself. Whatever you are, we know.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Who you are.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
You are an egomaniac, you are completely self absorbed individual.
He basically cut.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Off his entire family. Who does that?

Speaker 2 (45:08):
So, I mean this is a completely self consumed individual,
which on a football team is complicated because as the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
You need to be a leader on the team.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
But if everything is about you, it makes it very
difficult to lead men into battle.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
He said, well, look at all the success he had
in Green Bay.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
I know this with all the numbers he produced in
Green Bay because obviously he has immense talent and throwing
the football.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
The fact that he only played in.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
A single Super Bowl one his entire career, he lost
four conference championship games, one step away from getting there.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Again.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
When you talk about the all time greats, and there
are still people who say he's the most talented quarterback
that ever played the game?

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Does make him the best?

Speaker 13 (46:01):
Right? Well? And I you know, I want to touch
on something you were saying about leadership there. I was
listening to an interview with Clark Hunt, the owner of
the Kansas City Chiefs, and he said, you know, he
finds that teams are our best when your best players
are your leaders.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Correct.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
Also, right, So it makes sense, it makes sense. I
just think I haven't been in a locker room where
Aaron Rodgers, you know, is in, but I don't. It's
it's hard imagining the way he presents the media being
the type of leader when you talk about his legacy
and the talent and the leadership he brings. I don't

(46:43):
know if that's on the on the top, you know
description of Aaron Rodgers the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Right, all you have to do is go back a
year ago. Okay, so obviously two years ago his season
ended four plays in, so that's a non season. So
last year with the Jets, he started all seventeen games,
twenty eight touchdowns, eleven interceptions, not too bad, completed sixty

(47:15):
three percent of his passes. Not at the level he's
been at, but still not a disaster. His passer rating
was ninety point five. It's not in the hundreds, but
again not disastrous. And yet his Jets team was five
and twelve. Okay, so you're putting up not terrible numbers,

(47:37):
decent numbers, but whatever you're doing is not translating to the.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Rest of the team. As a leader, your position is
to raise the level of everybody's game because you're the
leader of the team. So the fact is he did
not raise.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
The level of anyone's play with the Jets last year,
which is why, despite the fact that he had decent numbers,
it did not translate into wins for the Jets.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
So I've been one of those people that looked at
the Steelers because you know, Mike Tomlins never had a
losing season, and they're over Runders like eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
So they're like, you know, a lot of people don't
believe that Aaron Rodgers can get him across the finish line.
I'm like, wait a second, Aaron Rodgers is better than
justin fields or whatever they got last year. You know,
certainly Ben Roethlisberger at the end of his career, Kenny Peckett.
Come on, I mean, Aaron Rodgers is still a better
quarterback than those guys. And now you take a step
back and like, all he's worried about.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Right now is how his helmet fits and how his
helmet looks on him. If you're his teammateer, Like, dude,
we got a season coming up.

Speaker 13 (48:51):
You know what we call that Steve an enigma. Have
you watched any of the Cowboys documentary a little bit? Yes,
I haven't started it yet, but I've heard it's really good.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
I told you, Nikki, I have no reason to believe
because people are saying, well, do you think that Michael
Parsons And this is my actually, my first question is
going to be coming up for Adam is going to
be the Micah Parson situation. Do you believe he'll be there,
you know, for that opening game against Eagles? And I do,
and I for some for the life of me, I
don't know why I think the Cowboys are going to

(49:27):
surprise people this year because it's been disaster my eyes.

Speaker 13 (49:32):
Well, I hear this every year.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
No, last year I picked him to win the Super Bowl. Oh, Steve,
they were coming off what thirteen win seasons. They I
felt like, you know what, they're do their due, They're due,
and then they go seven and.

Speaker 13 (49:46):
Tis no buy it just the way I mean technically Texas.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
Is by the way in this show, because I had
one of our reporters from KTLA, she went down to
interview Jerry Jones by the way. Jerry immediately talked about
how attractive she was. He goes, wow, you're really pretty.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
She said that. You know, like it's like, well, he's
this eighty year old man like this, who dies? I mean,
but this is Jerry Jones right? That was his first.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, like you're really You're really pretty. She was telling
me that. She asked me what should I ask? I said, well,
why didn't you ask him this question? How can they
still have the label of America's team when not only
have they not won a Super Bowl in thirty years,
they haven't even been to the conference championship game in
thirty years. How do you maintain that label as America's

(50:37):
team when you have the one jack in three decades?

Speaker 13 (50:42):
Okay, I got I got a good one. I saw
this video on on social media where a girlfriend was
purposely trolling her boyfriend. Her boyfriend's in Dallas Cowboys hat sweatshirt.
They're on the couch and she's videoing him without him knowing,
and she goes, hey, you know, gosh, why are VHS
players so exc defensive? And he goes, why do you
need a VHS player? And she goes, oh, just I

(51:05):
can only watch you know the one thing I want
to watch, It can only be played on a VHS.
He goes, we can watch anything, Like, what do you
need a VHS player for? And she keeps dragging him along,
dragging him along, and then she goes, Oh, I just
wanted to watch It's for you. I wanted to watch
the last time the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
I mean, how are they still relevant?

Speaker 13 (51:27):
Right?

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Well, they're relevant because they have an outrageous owner, Jerry Jones,
who again sealed the fate of his franchise by getting
Jimmy Johnson to leave. If Jimmy Johnson had stayed, Troy
Aikman will talk about this at nauseum. We would not
only have won three straight Super bowl we could have
won five straight Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
Remember this.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
When they won that first Super Bowl, they were the
youngest team in the NFL. You'd have free agency like
you have nowadays. That team was fully loaded, and.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
He bringing Barry Switzer. Berry's Witzer, really Barry Switzer.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Yeah, they got one super Bowl out of it in
spite of Barry Switzer, and ever since then nothing but yeah,
that was that was her introduction to Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
He was glathering all over her house. Bready she was.

Speaker 13 (52:13):
Did you see Micah Parsons pregame for this. He's walking
through the tunnel eating nachos. Yeah, and then just laying
on the warm up table on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Well he's there, he doesn't want to get fine. He's there.

Speaker 13 (52:28):
Yeah, he's hurt, and apparently some fan yells at him
you come to Atlanta because the Cowboys are playing with
the Falcons. And he holds up his like a phone
to his ear, being like call me.

Speaker 12 (52:39):
You know.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Well, all of this is reason to believe that the
Cowboys are in for a disastrous season, which is why
I always go the opposite way.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It's going to be a surprisingly good season. All right, Well,
hang on to that thought, because coming up on the
other side, the man that's been traveling through all these
NFL training camps getting ready for the season, We're going
to break down a lot with our insider Adam Kaplan.
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Speaker 2 (53:07):
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Speaker 3 (53:35):
Well, join us right now is a man that has
been through all.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
The different training camps around the NFL. As we conclude
the preseason games this weekend, get ready for the bye week,
and then the regular season will begin. The one and
only the Great Adam Kaplan is joining us right now.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Adam.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I was actually telling Nicky I was going to ask
you about the Micah Parsons situation, but I'm going to
detour first second, because today's Shador Sanders foremans was such
a catastrophe. Five sacks, forty one yards and losses. Obviously,
Dylan Gabriel played well, Joe Flacco played well, and then
they bench Shdor Sanders in a meaningless preseason game to

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bring in Tyler Huntley, who would lead them on a
final drive for a game winning field goal. I mean,
based on what I saw today and based on him
getting benched for a final drive that could have redeemed him.
And he said afterwards he was ready to go. Tells
me that he has played his last snap as a
Cleveland Brown, I mean, what he So are they gonna

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are they gonna keep Dylan Gabriel and Shoudoor Sanders yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I felt all along. They keep four quarterbacks.

Speaker 15 (54:42):
Obviously Watson won't play this season, Tyler Huntley won't be
with them. That's kind of been there playing the whole time.
Now the Browns are here a couple.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Of weeks ago, so I you know.

Speaker 15 (54:50):
I learned kind a lot from being around them for
two days. Dylan Gabriel s, boy, he's he got off
the very rough starting camp. Look great in the preseason
game against Philly here, very good. Today's timing is good
right now, he's and you've got, of course, you got
Kenny Pickett who has had this hamstring injury.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
He's just coming back. Yeah, it's they want to develop centers.
This is my understanding. Steve.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
I'm just gonna why would they bench him on that
final drive?

Speaker 15 (55:16):
Because you just out on it. You just gave the
answer to the tests. He struggled vitally. They as bad
as a look, you could go against fifth teamers. If
it's so bad that you can't get out of your
own way, you know.

Speaker 4 (55:28):
You just get the guy on the football game. Now.
They want to develop this player.

Speaker 15 (55:32):
The player had from a talent standpoint, third or fourth
round grades. That's what I was told. The problem is immaturity,
you know, with the speeding ticket. He needs to grow
up and he needs to be developed.

Speaker 11 (55:42):
Now.

Speaker 15 (55:43):
He also had the quadrceups injury which he missed over
week of practice. That definitely hurt him. But they really
do want to develop him. That that was what I
was told. I feel pretty good about the information I
got at sure, could they change your mind, Steve, if
anything to changed her mind, but that was where they
were at.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
At the beginning of the week.

Speaker 13 (56:01):
Adam, I I will pick up where Steve did not.
But the Micah Parsons Michaeh Parsons moment, I got a
lot of stuff here, but go have we no layd
out there? I mean, I'm curious what Jerry's angle is.
I'm curious where this is going. Are we going to
see Micah play for the Dallas Cowboys this season? What's

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gonna happen?

Speaker 15 (56:22):
Well, Nikki, here's the latest. Now, this just this is
and I don't even know if it's well. I mean,
he's gonna have m Riah on his back, spells to
have a back problem now. Uh So, basically my job
is called down the middle. I don't take sides, you know,
I don't care who wins or loses. It's not my
job as a reporter, but this is this for Jerry

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what what Jerry Jones has made it.

Speaker 4 (56:45):
He's handled the situation so poorly like this.

Speaker 15 (56:48):
This is, as one person said to me, league, this
is next level for Jerry, the way that he's handled it.
He's insulted players from last year who got hurt, like
Dak Prescott. He's insulted Mikah Parsons, who he thought a
lot of people around the Cowboys. I've always told me
that he's had a very good relationship with Micah. I've
had a pretty pretty good player owner and general manager

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Slash Yew and a manager because not only is Jerry
owned the team, but he's also the general manager Nikky So.
But basically because what happened, what's happened here is Micah's
really upset at Jerry because he's insulted him. Now, as
we know with Miles Garrett, if you just pay the guy,
it's all, don't cares. So now that was never that personal.
It's just that he wanted to He kind of Miles Garrett,

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basically all of the quarterbacks just for the Browns. Is
I want to say Quagmire they they they had a
pretty aggresive free agency and so forth.

Speaker 4 (57:38):
So I think Miles probably pretty happy about it.

Speaker 15 (57:40):
But getting back to Michael Parsons here, this is in
twenty seven years to cover this business. I've not seen
I've seen negotiations.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Steve.

Speaker 15 (57:50):
Like when Charles Woodson I was at the combine, it
was like eleven o'clock at night. I think they put
the tag on him because the negotiats were not going anywhay.

Speaker 4 (57:59):
They put an angry.

Speaker 15 (57:59):
St statement out late at night and I'm like, what
is this? Aid my email? I'm like, why did they
putting a statement out? We're putting the franchise tag on
That was all. It was all in the statement. But
this thing that Jerry Jones has done is next level,
totally petty, unnecessary. Now, the agent, David Mulligatt is probably
a top three contract agent, is denied and basically through
I forget what report that was. I want to give

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the personal credit, but I remember seeing who it was,
but basically he put quotes out that what Jerry said
was total nonsense about oh, he told them to get
lost and you know he didn't want to do the deal.
So Steve, it's totally unnecessary. It doesn't have to be
like this. Why would you want to tagonize your best players?
To me makes no sense. I want to ask you

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this question, Steve, and you dealt without Davis as you know,
being in PR and covering the business. As long as
you have all sports, I'm sure you have stories. The
were you around from Marcus, Allen and al daois problems?

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Can us that? Can you give us that one?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
I'm going to give you a good story.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
Please do, because it's an unbelievable for those don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Eighty five a year that Marcus would end up being
the league's MVP, led the league in rushing that year.
We opened the season at home against a bad Jets team,
blitz them thirty one to nothing. And then we have
a Thursday road game the next week at Kansas City,
which is not easy, right, You got a Sunday game
at home, and now you got a Thursday road.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Game and it's their biggest rival Jet.

Speaker 2 (59:22):
So we go to Kansas City and we crap in
our pants in the second half. So the way it worked,
anyone that's been to Arrowheads, it's a drive from Arrowhead
to the airports.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
It's a long drive. Right. So one of my many
jobs when I was working with the Raiders was when
we were on the road. We had four buses that
would take the team everybody back to the airport, and
I had to be the guy on the last bus,
so I had to make sure we don't leave anybody behind. Right.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
So we got a few players, including Marcus, on this
bus and I'm ready to say let's go when I
hear this, wait.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Al David.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Now normally mister Davis would be on the first bus,
but I guess he was talking to people, and of
course the players look out, especially after a bad loss,
like this is the last guy we want on our bus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
So I was sitting. All the seats are taken by players.
There was like a side bench right as you walked
on the buds that I was sitting on, and to
my right sitting was Marcus Allen. The only place where
mister Davis was sitting was to my left. So picture this.
He got Al.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
Davis, me and Marcus Allen's sitting three across on its
bench and it's like a forty minute ride. So the
bus takes off and there's not a sound on this bus.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I mean not a sound like. It's completely silent.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Then because he's on the bus, no one is saying
a word, so I'm just looking straight ahead. So I
got Al Davis to my left, Marcus Allen to my rule.

Speaker 4 (01:00:54):
It was Tom Floris's the head coach.

Speaker 3 (01:00:55):
Who was Tom Flores is the head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
So we're driving along, not a sound, and all of
a sudden, mister Davis looks, I'm like, not even there,
Like he's I'm like, not even there. He looks and
he looks at Marcus and he says, oh, no, what
the f happened out there?

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
And he used the word liberally beck in those and
Marcus without hesitation. Again, it's like I'm in the middle,
but like I'm not there. Marcus Turney goes. We lost,
and I could literally feel the heat generating.

Speaker 3 (01:01:33):
Off of Al Davis, Like literally I could feel the
heat and he doesn't. There's no response.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
Those are the only words said on the entire forty
minute ride back to the airport.

Speaker 15 (01:01:43):
Steve, could you explain to Nikki in the audience, in
your best words, what the issue between Al Davis and
I think?

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I know I'm not one hundred percent positive.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Here is this? If you want to know that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
So here's the thing. Al Davis was never comfortable with
players whose star power was deemed above the Vaiders. This
is why they traded Ken Stabler. So Ken Stabler have
been the great quarterback Hall of Fame quarterback for the Raiders,
and they trade him to the Houston Oilers for Dan Pasterini.
It was a bizarre swap of quarterbacks, but a lot

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of it had to do with Al Davis once described
Ken Stabler as a passenger on a luxury liner. He
didn't give him any credit for the fact that he
was the first quarterback, by the way, to bring his
team to five straight conference championship games. It was a
very similar situation with Marcus, who was, by the way,
the consummate team player. In fact, his teammates voted him

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like their best teammate five years in a row, much
of the chagrin of Al Davis. So it didn't come
from Marcus. It was something that was in the head
of mister Davis.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
It was all from now right, and in a lot
of ways, it's like what we talk about with Jerry Jones,
where they're creating their own reality, you know. And he
used to I mean, I could tell stories all day.

Speaker 15 (01:02:56):
I won't, but I wanted to ask you because you
and I have known each other, We've never really talked
about because you lived it. Yeah, I've really not met
anyone who was there back then. I can recall, and
that was an boy that storytelling. Steve was off the charge.

Speaker 13 (01:03:11):
I was captivated and I forgot how how you even.

Speaker 4 (01:03:13):
Got on that because of Jerry Jones.

Speaker 13 (01:03:16):
I know, I know, I was like, wait, I'm sitting
on Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:03:19):
Jerry Jones looked at Al Davis as the way he
wanted to run a team. Al Davis was an owner
who was also the general manager of the team. That's
what Jerry Jones wanted. Yep, the owner and also be
the general manager. He got that from Al Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
So yes, so I yeah, knowing it is a mess,
all right, let me ask you about a potential mess.
Aaron Rodgers. Oh wait a say, we're going to get
to this in a second. Can do you have a
little extra time today?

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:03:47):
Absolutely, I always told you I want to do two
segments one of these days.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
But guys, okay, but first, let's find out what is
trending right now.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Another man that knows too many of my stories, Isaac
Longcro You know what.

Speaker 12 (01:03:58):
The most amazing part part of that Al Davis Marcus
Allen story was you want Wentz. You once went forty
minutes without talking. It's true, That's true.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Nobody was talking that day. That's got to be a
career high.

Speaker 12 (01:04:12):
We have one NFL preseason going on right now. The
Green Bay Packers up seventeen to nothing over the Seattle
Seahawks fifty eight seconds left to play in the second quarter. Earlier,
the Cleveland Browns defeated the Los Angeles Rams nineteen to seventeen.
Cleveland's Andre Schmid the game winning thirty seven yard field
weal at the gun, a drive lad by Browns quarterback
Tyler Huntley. Joe Flacco started the game nine to ten

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for seventy one yards at a touchdown pass. Dylan Gabriel
twelve of nineteen for one twenty nine with a touchdown pass.
Chadua Sanders three out of six for fourteen yards. He
was sacked five times, including one for a twenty four
yard loss. The Houston Texans won at Detroit twenty six
to seven. Houston rookie sixth round draft pick quarterback Graham

(01:04:53):
Mertz no relation to Fred or ethel fourteen of sixteen
for one forty five with a touchdown pass. Broncos one
of New Orleans twenty nine to nineteen. Boon Nicks head
of fourteen for one to ten with a touchdown pass.
Ravens one in Washington thirty to three. As Baltimore placekicker,
Tyler Loop kicked three field goals, including a fifty two
yarder and a sixty one yarder Colts What at Cincinnati

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forty one to fourteen. We also saw the kickoff of
the twenty twenty five college football season, number twenty two
Iowa State over seventeenth th rank Kansas State twenty four
to twenty one in a game played in Dublin, Ireland.
I want to me honeymoon there by the way. In
Major League Baseball, the Boston Red Sox defeated the Yankees
at Yankee Stadium twelve to one. They scored seven at
the top of the ninth inning. Boston's Garrett Crochet eleven

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strikeouts and seven innings for the win to improve to
thirteen and five. Finally, the Philadelphia Phillies announced pitchers Zach
Wheeler's been diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome. And will be
out for the rest of the season. Wheeler, of course,
had successful surgery to remove a blood clot from his
right arm five days ago out of the coming weeks,
will now undergo thoracic outlet decompression surgery. One other note,

(01:05:59):
how about this for coincidences. Unfortunately for the city of Philadelphia,
former Philadelphia seventy six ers number one overall draft pick
Markel Foltz was also once diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Back to you, that was not a good pick by
the Sixers, not a good pick at all, Isaac, Thank
you very much. As always, yes, trust the process. Once again,
we're coming to live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
If you miss any of today's show, you want to
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(01:06:38):
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get your podcasts. You'll find today's show posted right after
we get off the air. All right, so let's talk
about the Aaron Rodgers situation. All we're talking about right
now is his helmet doesn't fit right. He seems very uncomfortable.
Once again, he's very vain and concerned about how he
looks in this helmet, which, by the way, he doesn't

(01:06:59):
look in that helmet. Bud that aside.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Now that we are at the point where reality is
setting in that he is going to be the starting
quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers for a coach that has
never had a losing season, how's this going to play
out well?

Speaker 15 (01:07:16):
And also, by the way, the Steelers are not won
to PLAYFF games since twenty sixteen, so you're talking about
nearly ten seasons.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
How's it going to play out?

Speaker 15 (01:07:23):
Now? Talking to Steelers about Rogers and what's happening in
their offensive training camp, it's just a timing issue.

Speaker 7 (01:07:28):
You know.

Speaker 15 (01:07:28):
They don't really have a number two receiver. Rowan Wilson
will probably be it, who Rogers has talked up a lot.
He was a third round last year, barely played. He
had I'm told two injuries, high ankle sprain, a hamshring problem,
so he was never ready. Calvin Austin, who's a smaller
slot receiver, will also see some time, but they don't
really have It's it's de Kit Metcalf.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
They're very happy with John O.

Speaker 15 (01:07:48):
Smith in the trade overcoming from Miami's look pretty good,
and then Patt Frye move, so that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
They don't have a great receiver corps.

Speaker 15 (01:07:55):
They believe their offensive line will be the best they've
had in years, So it's gonna be a run based
offense or not. They don't want to ask Rogers throw
the ball a lot, and they think they can do
that with their defense in the run game. They also
think this is one of the better rosters they've had
in years. So Steve, to answer your question, is they
think it's gonna be a low volume pass game. They
don't think they'll have to ask Rogers to win a
lot of games for them. Easier said than done, but

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a lot of it's gonna have to start with a
running game with Jalen Warren and Caleb Johnson.

Speaker 13 (01:08:20):
Their third round pick, Adam rock Party is no longer
the best bargain in the NFL. Sure, and got a
big pay raise this offseason, and deservedly so. But how
does that how is that going to shift the way
we talk about him and the expectations now, I mean,

(01:08:41):
obviously it's always to win in San Francisco. But is
that going to change maybe the pressure and the narrative
around you know, Party was once the best Cinderella story
and yeah, and now and now he's getting paid, So
does that is that going to change the discourse?

Speaker 4 (01:08:59):
Not really.

Speaker 15 (01:09:00):
I mean from what I've been told from people who
worked with him, he's a pretty steelyot guy and nothing
seems to bother him. He people forget when he was
a rookie, when he got thrusht into the starting job,
and so many things had to happen. But once he
got in there, he handled a really great road win
at Seattle. I know people in scouting around the league
who didn't not believe it all Party. They had to

(01:09:22):
kind of give it up to the guy. And he's
been a great story. And and Nikki because they're running
ANLD school West Coast offense. Not a lot of teeth throws.
Kashanhan knows who he is. He cannot throw the ball
past twenty five yards. It's all timing based a lot
of slam passes. The offense starts with Christian McCaffrey in
the run game. This is another team, low volume pass team.

(01:09:42):
Now every once in a while. He's shown if they've
had to have a high volume, he's handled himself fairly well.
But they don't want him throwing the ball a lot.
Now I worry about this Niners team.

Speaker 4 (01:09:51):
Now. They are the slight favorite, slight favorite.

Speaker 15 (01:09:55):
Whatever books, sports book you look at their slight favorite
minus one oh five and a lot of books. That's
fairly a winner over the Rams and the rams of
Matthew Stafford isshe with his back, I my sleeper payer
won't happen, but I'm gonna pick the Seahawk stack should
be the last wild card in the NFC. But the
Niners with iyex injury that worries made Trent Williams way
up there. Not a very good offensive line of talent.

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Secondary's got some problems. I don't see the Niners winning
this one. I really don't.

Speaker 3 (01:10:23):
Bear's final preseason game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
Their quarterbacks had a combined passer rating of one hundred
and twenty four point seven thirty one to forty three
three hundred ten yards, four touchdowns, zero picks, Caleb Williams
eleven and fifteen one to thirteen one touchdown, no pick.
Looks pretty good going against the Chiefs, and yet Ben
Johnson lost it absolutely, ripping into his team. It's usually

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not that uncommon for a coach to get extra hard
on the team. Actually, when you have a good game,
you know that you sort of jump on him like
we could be a lot better. Sure, but I'll ultimately,
what's the buzz right now on this marriage that's so
critical to the Bear's future between Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams.

Speaker 15 (01:11:06):
Yeah, I would say it's been up and down from
I understand, and there's been some rough moments, which you
would expect with Kayleb Williams, who sometimes plays with a
lack of discipline in his game, and Ben Johnson is
the ultimate hard coacher. What he does is he makes
you accountable, He stays on you. He actually he'll get
on his coaches. I think this is what Kayleb Williams needed.
He's super gifted. Tessan Bagent great story. Development, really is amazing.

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This kid was an untra after free agent three years ago,
m H. And he's not proven to be one of
the better backups in the league. And they signed case
Keenum to help mentor Kleb Williams. He's there's insurance policy.
Here's the great thing Steve. What the Bears have done, guys,
They've added so much talent. They've three new stars on
the offensive. On the interior, they knew they had to
be changed around. They got even more pass targets. Luther Byrne,

(01:11:52):
who the second round of Missouri. It's in first rund
grades from clubs. Roman Donzay's in his second year. DJ
Moore is terrific. They're loaded at running back.

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Now.

Speaker 15 (01:12:01):
My one issue for them is how good are they
going to be on defense? They don't have much of
a pass rush that it's a backloaded defense. They started
back to front, you storte start front to beck. That's
they have not built this team the right way on defense.
That's my one issue, Nikki, is that can he the
true testament of a quarterback is what happens when you're behind?

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Can you bring the team back? We're not going to
know that until it happens. And again, this is only
his secondaries now and it's brand new offense. He's never
been in the terminology is I understand as West Coast
he had to learn a new system, but I know
for fact there have been some there are some wild
practices from Caleb Williams which you're loving. And now one
thing that he does and I think Ben Johnson was

(01:12:41):
talking about this. Yes, Caleb Willias number Steve look great,
but there's some times where he doesn't take the target
where the ball sess to go. It goes to a
secondary target. And they're going to ask them when you
watch tape together, why didn't you go here? And he's
got to have an answer.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Adam, we're so ready. I can't wait, but we have weeks. Okay,
I know I called hump week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's just it's crazy but unbelievable. The
Shador Sanders story, though, took an interesting twist.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
With that perform mad I know I.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Keeping for qb our Buddy Ceciliano is the voice of
the Browns. He got out on that one sack where
he said, wow, he's regressing back to his Colorado days
taking you can't take twenty two yard sacks in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:13:26):
Not good. But see you guys. Let me just say this.
They don't have a future quarterback. Dylan Gibrel's not starter.
I mean, it's a nice story, but.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Okay, we'll find out, Adam. As always, we'll talk to
you next week.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Thanks so much, that's Adam Kaplan, our NFL insider.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
What kind of week ahead is it going to be?
In the Sports Rule We'll break it down for you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:43):
This is Fox Sports Saturday, Steve Harbin, Nikki k Fox
Sports Saturday Live from the Fox Sports Radio studios. I
want to thank our crew today. Ilo came in today
to do all the up dates. I see mister de
Sega ready to jump on in.

Speaker 13 (01:14:04):
Smell that. That's a smell of football in the air.
Did you watch any of the Dublin the Dublin kickoff.

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
I'll tell you about that. I do want to thank
I was Sam because you know, without him today there
would not have been a game in Dublin. He's the
only guy that endorsed that. And another man that braved
the four or five to get here today is our
brilliant producer Ian. Thanks guys for all that I did.
I did watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
You know again, you know the Dublin things sort of
came into play a few years ago when they had
Notre Dame played these games in Dublin, which makes sense.

Speaker 13 (01:14:34):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
The Fighting Iris playing a game in Dublin, that makes sense.
You know what last year was? Who was the last
year was like, Georgia Tech, is.

Speaker 13 (01:14:43):
It Northwestern there one year? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
So here is the four letter.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
They're interviewing people in the streets of Dublin before the game,
ask him that if they can name a single college
football team, and they're like no, And they they're like
how many? How many points is a touchdown?

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
They don't know that. Why would you schedule Iowa State
and Kansas State in Dublin, Ireland? What is the point
of that?

Speaker 13 (01:15:11):
You know what? It was? It was a The start
to the games made us all wonder why what was
going on? Why were you there? It was pouring rain,
it was sloppy. It was okay, football is back, question mark,
college football is back?

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Why are you opening your college well again? I got
the whole Notre Dame angle on it. Sorty cute, all right,
fighting Irish are playing in Dublin.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Iowa State and Kansas State and this is a big
game for both these teams, both.

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Ranked in the top twenty five. This is game that
actually matters. Why is this game being played in you
no notice?

Speaker 13 (01:15:49):
Was equally as confusing Iowa State's offense putting up numbers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
How about that well, Iowa especially as notorious for not
scoring at all.

Speaker 3 (01:15:58):
Iowa schools are not big, right, So, I mean, I old,
that's an old trope. That was so.

Speaker 4 (01:16:03):
Three.

Speaker 5 (01:16:04):
Iowa State's never had a problem scoring. Iowa did for
a few seasons that they figured that out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Well, I mean, I always state is Brod party. I mean,
that's rock party. I mean, that's yeh, that's that's your
Iowa State cyclone. I don't know. I mean, do you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I say this about the NFL every time they go
to London or these Why are we doing this? We
have American football. The rest of the world's got football.
That's what they consider football. We call it soccer. The
rest of the will calls it football. We have our
own football. We do not need to share it with
the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
The NFL. It's not basketball, it's not baseball. Where they
really need that international game. We don't need it. I stop.

Speaker 13 (01:16:44):
I have this weird pit in my stomach that we're
heading towards US international Super Bowl. Why I don't I
don't want it. That feels very unpatriotic.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
This is American football, This.

Speaker 13 (01:16:58):
Is American this is our game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
We don't care about the rest of the world what
they do, and then when they then then then when
they're interviewing people on the streets of Dublin and Dublin.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
And I just syay, it seeks about high points. I
don't know how much of what are we.

Speaker 13 (01:17:17):
Doing also for that to be the first first game,
first game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
I just state, anyway, state do you think anyone in
Dublin could identify the states of Iowa Kansas on a map?

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
No chance?

Speaker 13 (01:17:31):
What are your what are some of your favorite now
that college football has officially kicked off, what are some
of your favorite college football game day traditions across the country.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
Well, a tailgating right off the bat.

Speaker 13 (01:17:44):
I mean any specific schools and pass trade.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Look at I look at it. Look at I am
a West Coast guy. I understand here. It's not what
it is right everywhere else. Yes, So anytime I can
see down in the South, especially the SEC, you look
at all the pre game look I I nineteen ninety six,
so I was part of the UCLA broadcast and we
went to Niland Stadium in Knoxville one hundred and they

(01:18:07):
had just had spended the stadium. This was Peyton Manning's
junior year and to walk into that stadium.

Speaker 13 (01:18:13):
That's different.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
One hundred thousand people all wearing orange, all wearing number
sixteen jerseys for a guy from the West Coast was
awe inspiring. And then two weeks later, I'm in the
Big House in ann Arbor for another one hundred So we.

Speaker 3 (01:18:24):
Had this scheduling thing. We're in Knoxville.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Two weeks later, I'm in ann Arbor, one hundred thousand
plus in both of these stadiums, and as a college
football fan, I mean I get chills even talking about
it now, all these years later. So it's college football
is about tradition, it's about the rivalries, it's about the
pageantry that separates it from the NFL. The NFL is

(01:18:47):
a business. I'm not going to deny that the NFL
are the greatest players on the planet, but it doesn't
carry the same weight in terms of the pageantry the
traditions that you have in college football.

Speaker 13 (01:18:58):
I also went to UCLA, and as beautiful as the
Rose Bowl is it, we've seen We've seen a lot
of losses there. But part of my broadcast career took
me out to Oklahoma, so I was covering games in
Norman with the Sooner schooner.

Speaker 3 (01:19:10):
I have never been.

Speaker 13 (01:19:11):
Oh my gosh, it is a special, special, sacred place
for a college. And then still Water. You're they're covering
games and they've got the paddle people just banging the
paddles in the sky. Is blacker, I swear, than anywhere
else in the country. There's nothing like a night Did
you did you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
Did you cover the Oklahoma Texas game at the old
Cotton Bowl of Dallas.

Speaker 13 (01:19:32):
Oh I wasn't. I wasn't our top notch shooter, so
you know, because in those markets you're doing everything. But
they did send me to the Texas tech Ou game,
which was Baker Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
You saw that game was on the sideline past crazy game.

Speaker 13 (01:19:50):
I was feasting and my coworker looks at me and goes,
there's no defense in this, and I go, I don't care.

Speaker 3 (01:19:55):
That's a game for the age. Oh yeah, you never saw.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
You got to look up the stats of both my
Homes and Mayfield down theirs they throw.

Speaker 13 (01:20:04):
Yeah, oh yeah, it was. I mean being there for
for that one was was special.

Speaker 3 (01:20:10):
Well, I can that's the difference. And that's here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
When you talk to football players, even the greatest NFL players.
They will tell you I can remember almost every detail
of my college career. Very few NFL games can I remember,
because it becomes a business.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
You got to get ready.

Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
But they can remember details like details of college.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
Games, random games. But when it comes to the NFL,
it's a business that the NFL rules the world. College
football is not far behind. And here's the good news, Nikki.
We have football now.

Speaker 13 (01:20:39):
We have football now, and it feels wonderful and I'm
so excited, and I've got to get my fantasy draft
prep work done.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
It's getting closed.

Speaker 13 (01:20:50):
How many leagues are you in any uh No.

Speaker 3 (01:20:53):
That's a story for another day. Save you of why
I've sort of sees for next week. We'll do that.

Speaker 4 (01:20:59):
Come here.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Much more coming up on Sports Radio.

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