Steve Hartman & Rich Ohrnberger React to the Luka for AD Blockbuster Trade!

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an interesting week because here we are over the weekend
discussing this. But we know much of the Monday morning
banter and Tuesday morning banter Tuesday banter is going to
be about what just happened in the NBA. Well, no doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
In fact, it will be a subject matter in New Orleans.
Oh yeah, I promise you Radio Row, you know, media Row.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
As they now call it.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
These days, everyone's gonna be buzzying about the same thing.
The first trade ever in NBA history where two players
who were on the previous year's All NBA team were
traded for each other.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
This has never happened in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
Now, my younger son, Garrett, who is twenty six now,
he has lived in breathe the Laker basketball since birth.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
The NBA is his deal. I've met your son several times.
I'm trying to remember, it's only maybe twice I've seen
him not wearing Lakers gear. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So it's Saturday night at the house, right, Yeah, and
I'm I'm just sitting there typing stats away doing my
usual late night thing. Right, all of a sudden, I
hear this primal scream. So he comes running in he
goes Sean's is putting out that there I go, it

(02:31):
was his account hacked. I mean, I mean, come on,
this doesn't make any sense, because there's no way the
Lakers have enough to trade for Luka Doncic. For a
twenty five year old Lukadancis. They'd have to give a
what ten number ones? They only can give up three
or four. They just don't have enough trade capital to
make a deal to get a twenty five year old

(02:52):
Luka Doncic.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
And then he breaks down the trade, I'm like, okay,
well that's fake.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I mean, first of all, there's no way they could
give up that to get Luka Doncic. And in fact,
it's real. You know, there's so many layers to this
rich and we're gonna we're gonna hit a lot of layers,
but just just the actual mechanics of this trade. If
I'm the NBA, I'm investigating what is going on with

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the Dallas Mavericks because for them to essentially give away
Luka Doncic at age twenty five for what they got
in return tells me it's an organization that's not willing
to spend money. He was going to get the super
Max deal five years, three hundred and forty five million
quick math. That's close to seventy million a year.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
They didn't want to pay him.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
And so if I'm the league, this is a league,
by the way, in the past that has acts trades
over the years many times. And so how is deal
actually was allowed or is being allowed under the terms
of this deal to me, needs a huge explanation.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
I'm curious what we don't know and what investigative reporting
will be done from here until we have a better
understanding of how this all went down. But here's what
we do know. We do know that it seems like
the Dallas Mavericks got absolutely jobbed in the trade. The
Jazz were thrown in as an ancillary part of this

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three team trade where they receive Jaalen Hood Schafano and
the LA Clippers twenty twenty five second round pick and
the Mavericks twenty twenty five second round selection. That's like
a side piece too. Obviously, the fact that.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
Three nothings three nothings, that Ad and Luka Doncic have
flip flop, And to your point, is this because the
Lakers and Lebron really wanted to divorce themselves from ad
where they all of a sudden extremely motivated and interested
because there was a team out there who was interested
in sending a superstar for a superstar.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
Was it vice versa? Was there bad blood growing in Dallas?
Have Luka Doncic outstayed his welcome? Has you know the
reports that he's habitually overweight and under conditioned to start
basketball seasons in missing time as one of the brightest
stars in the sport. Has it finally graded the nerves
raw over there in Dallas. I'm really curious what we

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don't know. What we do know is fascinating, But what's
more fascinating is how how did this happen? All Right?

Speaker 3 (05:34):
So Rich, here's here's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
I have been following Lakers basketball since the day they
made the trade to get wil Chamberlain from the Philadelphia
seventy six ers. And when they made that trade, by
the way, he was the three time raining MVP of
the Philadelphia seventy six Ers, still in the prime of
his career, and they basically got him for a song
and dance. So let's make this infinitely clear about the

(06:00):
single most important franchise in the NBA, and that is
the Los Angeles Lakers. When you think about it. They
stole Wilt Chamberlain from the seventy six ers. They stole
Kareem abdul Jabbar for nothing from the Milwaukee Bucks in
the prime of his career. They stole Shaquille O'Neal on

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a technicality free agent window of about an hour and
a half, stole him from the Orlando Magic. They get
Pau Gasol essentially for his brother that was a steal,
and Anthony Davis.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
These are all deals they made.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
But if you look at the core of the Lakers,
it's been Jerry West homegrown, Magic Johnson homegrown, Kobe Bryant homegrown.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And then they needed to.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Make a deal to get a catalyst, which they did
in Lebron James. And now they're being awarded Lukadancic for
the future of this franchise. And believe me, the Lakers
will now have the draft capital and player personnel necessary
to eventually get the big that they desperately obviously need

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because right now they don't have any rimperant protector but
the legal make sure.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Don't worry, the Lakers will be good down the road.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
So this is when we talk about you know, an
investigation of how the Mavericks can make this deal to
give up a twenty five year old superstar the level
Luka doncis for nothing. You know, I'm not saying Anthony
Davis is nothing, but he's thirty one years old, has
had injury problems, and that's not comfortable to a twenty
five year old like Luka Doncic. There needs to be

(07:38):
investigation of this league because if I'm owners, it's not
about Mavericks fans being upset. If I'm an owner, I'm like,
how is this deal being made? And how is it that,
you know, the Mavericks just out of the blue give
the Lakers a call and make a deal just like that.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
How is this even allowed by this league?

Speaker 1 (07:57):
So what's so fascinating about fans is oftentimes when and
I'm talking about fans of sport, not just fans of
basketball or football, but fans in general, is you become
incensed when you see a team have success. Right, you know,
the rallying cry leading up to Super Bowl fifty nine
is the Chiefs are cheaters and it's because the refs

(08:20):
are helping them out. Well, here's the thing. Even if
Josh Allen did break the plane and earn that first
down on the fourth down conversion try. They still had
to make the plays to beat the Chiefs, even while
the Chiefs stuffed them there and got whatever you call
it a turnover on downs, I mean, they still had

(08:40):
to go down and score. And by the way, the
Bills answered back like so, even when it's something like
gameplay related, fans are incensed over these things because the
Chiefs earn their way to the super Bowl. You can't
convince me otherwise. But still there are people out there
saying that there's a conspiracy to help the Chiefs. This
feels even more so down that rabbit hole than anything

(09:02):
you could blame on the refs or the NFL helping
bolster the Chiefs, because to your point, this is one
of the most uneven trades we've ever seen in the
history of the NBA. But this, man Rich, we've seen
zero over the years.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
I just gave you, I know, an example after another
of the Lakers stealing superstars for way below market value.

Speaker 1 (09:25):
I don't know how it's possible that this has occurred.
And also, if you want to talk about something stinky
in Denmark, if you want to talk about the fishiest
part of this. Luka Doncic hasn't played since December, like,
I mean, he's strained his calf again, granted, but still
like they've been keeping him on the shelf since the
end of last year. It is almost it is February. Sorry,

(09:47):
it's February. Second. I mean the fact that they've kept
this player on ice while they've been shopping a trade
for him, and then got the fuzzy end of the
lollipop on the deal with the Lakers. I mean this
all to me, it's a bizarre set of circumstances. I
don't know how Dallas looks or anybody involved in this trade,

(10:07):
Nico Harrison, their GM, their ownership or whoever, unless they're
planning on absolutely tanking right and then moving the Dallas
Mavericks to a different city. Maybe, I don't know. I mean,
that's the only way you would be okay with getting
jobbed this bad into trade though, if it was intentional,
if you are trying to tear this building to the

(10:30):
studs or this roster to the studs and then uproot
the franchise, because how else does it make sense to
agree to something like this?

Speaker 2 (10:38):
All right, so they're spin on it as you mentioned
the idea that Luca has missed a lot of games.
If you look at he plays sixty six games a year,
like every year, it's like sixty.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
I bet all of a sudden he's gonna be real
healthy when he gets to LA.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
Well, he's gonna have to eat better.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay, but that outside they were just talking about that
defense wins championships. Again, this is a Mavericks team that
was in the NBA Finals a year ago.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
I will say this, in the short.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Term, pairing Kyrie Irving with Anthony Davis is great.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
In the short term.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I mean, Kyrie's going to be thirty three years old
here shortly, and ad obviously at thirty one years of age,
what do you feel like an old thirty one.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Because his body's been breaking down.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
But that combination of a dynamic point guard with a
really great big makes a lot of sense short term.
As far as the Lakers are concerned, what's going to
be interesting because they've been saying that, First of all,
does anyone honestly believe that this deal went down without
any knowledge of Lebron James? They said, you know, after

(11:39):
they said the garden, after the garden, No, no, no, let's
get to that.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
On the other side, the tweet that came out giving
Lebron James an alibi that this was a complete shock
to him is just as shocking. That's the story. It's
a fake fake. Let me find the tweet while we
take a break. I know it's unbelievable because we will
on the other side.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
But yeah, the idea that somehow the Lakers made this
deal and Lebron had no nose.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
He was out to dinner after.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
They're winning the garden, right, He's just handing out with friends.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
And what what? What just happened to here?

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over the next several hours as far as the big
game is concerned. But look, even in New Orleans as
we are leading up to the big Super Bowl game,

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everyone's buzzing about a historic trade. There's never actually been
a trade like this in the history of the NBA.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Again, where two players who are on the All.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
NBA team the year before are traded in a mid
season trade the following season has never happened in the
history of the NBA.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
So we were talking about the.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Notification that came out right after the trade that after
the Lakers got a nice win, by the way, without
Anthony Davis in the garden, that Lebron was out to
dinner New York with his family when all of a sudden,
sham's reported about this trade came down and he completely blindsided.
What I'm gonna have to figure this out? Digested You

(13:58):
actually have the tweet.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, So Dave McManamon, who covers the league for ESPN,
had this tweet and he's been covering Lebron for almost
the entirety of his career. But he writes Lebron James
learn of the Davis Doncitz trade after the next game
when it broke while he was out to dinner with
his family. Sources close to the James Is told ESPN

(14:20):
James was surprised by the news is processing it and
had no idea it was in the work. Sources said,
also breaking just now, that was twelve hours ago, breaking
just now. Lebron James also learning that the sky is blue,
and sources close to the situation saying he's just found
out grass is green and water is in fact wet.

(14:45):
So very good. Yeah, good reporting there.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
During the break, you said something rich that turned my
brain on. And I remember, I believe it was this
show that I formulated it a couple years ago, maybe
last year, that when Lebron retires, he would move it
to he would have it team in Vegas as an owner.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:02):
When you look at who's purchased the Mavericks, the Addelson,
Mary Maddison, Big Vegas Empire.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yep uh.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
They just traded Luka Doncic to the Lakers to get
to help you know, to help Lebron whatever, what if
Addelson wants to move the Mavericks to Vegas.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Oh oh, and let's.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
Take it a seid that you're right on the money
bow And how about this?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
So one thing we do know about Lebron James is
that he has been very fascinated by Luka Doncic ever
since he came in the league. Like, this is a
guy that really intrigues him. If you if you really
look at their games, so very similar. When you look
at Luca's game, his numbers, you know, the rebounding, the
assist on top of all the scoring. It's very similar

(15:43):
to Lebron James type of player. But if you think
about it, right, right, So you have Adelson there with
all those connections to Vegas, acquiring controlling interest in the
Dallas Mavericks, and all of a sudden you have a
partnership down the road. You already have Tom Brady and Vegas.
Why not Lebron James is Vegas. Lebron steps down, right,

(16:04):
I mean he fulfilled the last thing on his checklist
was what to play with his son, that's right, and
he did that. So forty years old, twenty two years
in the league, records that will probably never be broken,
and he steps away, and now the Lakers end up

(16:25):
with insurance for their future and luka doncic. It really
is amazing how the domino In fact, I'm reading I'm
hearing a lot of domino in the news right now,
like the domino effect of this trade. Well not just
on these two organizations, but the entire lead.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Let me, let me give you the reason why my
brain went there, Bo and Steve. It's because so Sheldon Adelson.
If you remember back when the Raiders they were trying
to move back to Los Angeles, you know the double
Team Carson idea that fell through. But Mark Davis wanted
to move. He wanted to move, he wanted to get

(17:07):
out of Oakland. So all of a sudden, Vegas comes
up as a potentiality and he needed help. So who
did he call twenty five billion dollar net worth Cosmo
Hotel and casino mogul Sheldon Addelson, who massaged it through
the state to get seven hundred and fifty million dollars

(17:30):
approved in taxpayer money to help build the Rumba in
the Desert, which is a Legion stadium. Well, Sheldon Adelson
obviously is in Vegas for a reason. He's made hiss,
He's made his bones in Vegas's that's the family's fortune.
And so you're telling me that Addelson, his family members
who now owned the the Dallas Mavericks, aren't interested in

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potentially finding a way to exploit a market that is
primed for the NBA, that is eager for the NBA.
This feels to me like a teardown.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Yeah, there's there's no way the NBA is not in
Las Vegas in the next five six.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Years, precisely a chance. And I don't know how well
the NBA does in Dallas. I mean, obviously they've they
just had a Finals appearance. But I get the sincere
feeling that the only way you make a trade like this,
and and what I mean by like this, where one
side gets so lopsidedly bag over the head punched in

(18:29):
the trade like the Dallas Mavericks just did, is only
if you're eager to make sure that the demise of
this of this franchise is quick, like like there must
be a clock ticking somewhere in the near distance, Like
we got to make sure we suck bad enough so
that this city that we play in currently hates us

(18:51):
enough that the fan base is literally shoving us out
the door.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
It's it's much easier to move your team when you
don't have a guy making three hundred and twenty million
dollars or which it is on your books. But also
when you think about it too, like it makes a
ton of sense for the Mavericks to move a doll
or to move Vegas because they don't even have to
change their name. They can just be the Las Vegas Mavericks.
That fits perfectly, Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
Look.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
The bottom line is, though, if somehow Lebron, well, if
likely Lebron is involved in all the shenanigans, I don't
know how Lebron, if you ever cross passed with Anthony
Davis again, can never actually look him straight in the
eye and seriously say, dude, I had no idea, Man,
I just you know you're my god.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Isn't also under the Clutch Sports banner?

Speaker 4 (19:36):
Is he?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
So? I know Davis is obviously Lebron is Rich Paul,
his lifetime friend, is the CEO of Clutch Sports. I'm
fairly certain Doncic is under the day He's got this,
I mean, but still the fact that ad is and
that Lebron is is saying that he had no idea.

(19:57):
Are you kidding me? Rich Paul didn't pick up the phone.
Went Now, Lebron, I know we've known each other since childhood.
But there's something big that I'm doing behind the scenes
that I'm eager to tell you about. But I feel
like it would be a conflict of interest if I
talk to you about Do you want me to just
keep this under my cap or do you want me
to do you want to hear about it? Anyway? And

(20:20):
you're telling me that Lebron went, no, you keep it
to yourself. I'm gonna go to dinner with my family.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
I know, guys, guys, guys, Lebron is involved in the
NBA's decisions.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Understand this, just like Michael Jordan was.

Speaker 2 (20:36):
When Michael Jordan orchestrated his sudden retirement to play minor
league baseball and then his return to the sport and
everything else, he was getting compensated from not just the Bulls.
He was getting compensated by the league, he was getting
compensated by the networks.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
He was of that kind of value. Now, I want
to say, Lebron, is.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
That that stature, but the idea that you are now
looking at an end that's at the crossroads.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Their numbers have been down.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Your two biggest superstars are reaching the end, and that
would be Lebron and Steph. And so now the question
is how do we move forward. We need the Lakers
to be healthy. So the league's working with Lebron James. Right, Okay, Lebron,
what are your plans? What are we looking at the future.
We need you to still be involved in this league.
I like to get an ownership. Okay, great, where you

(21:24):
might be interested. So we mentioned this whole Vegas thing. Yeah,
but we got to take care of the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
Man.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
The Lakers need to be good. We need I agree
with you, he knows. Hey, if I'm going to be
an owner in the NBA, the Lakers have to be relevant.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
So let's make a deal. It'll make a deal.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
Yeah, but the Lakers can't afford this, and they can't
make this. Dunches, he goes, I'm telling you, Donches is me.
He has the same skill set as me. He can
be that dynamic and he's only twenty five. Make the
deal happen. And this is how this deal happened. I mean,
I can't I where is Adam Silver, Well, I is
Adam Silk.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
You will be questioning about this because whenever there is
such a shocking trade, obviously this is going to be
approved by the League. You know, the commissioner's desk saw
this trade before, because like we know everything that the
ownership does.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Well, how do you justify approving this deal?

Speaker 5 (22:16):
Why do we need Adam Silver to step Like, why
do you want Adam Silver to step in and be
a nanny?

Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, it's not a matter of that, but he is
the commissional League, and he will be questionable.

Speaker 5 (22:24):
I mean the trade already went through. The MAVs announced it,
so it's it's approved, it's done.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, the league can step in and we've we've heard
deals done that have been undone.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Yeah, but they were stern did it several times?

Speaker 5 (22:34):
Actually, well thought they were officially announced.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
No, No, I agree with that. It would be unprecedented,
much like this trade. I mean, this is the most
shock I just.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
I think teams should be allowed to make bad decisions.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
I well, there's no question, but they listen. Okay, you're
one hundred accurate. I agree with you. Teams should be
allowed to make best as it favors your team. You're right.
I mean, and as long as the intent isn't in,
is in anti competition, is in collusion of some sort.
This is in a situation like, hey, Lakers, Brass, Polinka,

(23:08):
Genie Buss, whoever, we really want to suck and make
it so that our fan base hates us so badly
that we can uproot our team and move to a
different city. Like that would be nefarious. That would be
Malfeason's You know, you have the Lakers on the other
side going great, where do we sign?

Speaker 5 (23:27):
I just feel like this if this wasn't not the
Lakers that the Mavericks went to and said, hey, do
you want to do this, it wouldn't be a big issue.
But because it's the Lakers, everybody's asking for things that.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Bo on the other side. That LISTA showed me on
the Durant deal. I want you to read that off
on the other side. But first, but first let's find
out what is a trend?

Speaker 6 (23:46):
That's it? Just that story.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
So MANCEI, she's excited because now the Clippers are eight
and two with Kawhi in the court. Yep, So she's
not worried about the Lakers. They have no bigs right now,
short term, the Lakers don't look very good.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
We don't even know when Luca's gonna play.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Short term, and that's that's really how I looked at
it yesterday.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Immediately I text Carry Rhodes because he's a MAVs fan.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Oh yeah, and I just.

Speaker 6 (24:11):
Was like, what is happening?

Speaker 7 (24:12):
And I was texting Bow and I was like, this
is this trade is bringing out the best in Twitter.

Speaker 6 (24:18):
What people were tweeting now was haul hilarious.

Speaker 7 (24:21):
Yes, for hours and hours, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

Speaker 6 (24:25):
I don't know, you're right.

Speaker 7 (24:27):
Short term, it looks like maybe the MAVs got the
better side of it, like right now, But in the
long scheme of things, yes, Luka Doncic is the future
of basketball.

Speaker 6 (24:38):
He can be the face and you put him with
the Lakers.

Speaker 7 (24:40):
I mean, what a win win situation for the Lakers
in the grand scheme of things.

Speaker 6 (24:45):
Now, we'll see what happens with all of that.

Speaker 7 (24:49):
Apparently, you know, there was rumors that, oh, Lebron's now
gonna go to the Warriors.

Speaker 6 (24:52):
And this is just the first step and getting rid
of him.

Speaker 7 (24:55):
But Chris Hanes tweeted this morning and that no, Lebron
intends to remain a member of the Lakers past the
February sixth trade deadlines. So we'll see if anything else happens.
Because this is just wild, guys, It's so wild. But
I loved every second of it.

Speaker 6 (25:08):
We enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
When you talk about X and the reaction from like everybody,
from everyone, I mean everyone, everyone in the wrong, you know,
taking a break to react to this deal. And of
course you know a lot of people thought again that
Shab's account was hacked, hacked.

Speaker 6 (25:25):
Nobody wanted to believe it when it first came out.
I mean, Patrick.

Speaker 7 (25:28):
Mahomes was tweeting about it. Bleach your report just tweeted
a DJ at a party stopping the music to announce.

Speaker 6 (25:34):
The trade at this party.

Speaker 7 (25:36):
This is where we are because nobody could believe it,
so so crazy.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
I'll give you some scores.

Speaker 7 (25:42):
We do have some men's college hoops going on, which yesterday,
by the men by the way, and men's college hoops,
eleven ranked teams lost the most on any single day
in ap POL history, including John Caliperry Calipari Cali Perry,
Cali Perry and his Arkansas team upsetting number twelve Kentucky
eighty nine, to seventy nine. Right now, Ohio State is
beating number eighteen Illinois twenty seven to twenty three with

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about seven minutes to go in the first half. In
men's are women's college hoops aces star Asia Wilson in
the WNBA.

Speaker 6 (26:11):
She had her jersey retired today by South Carolina.

Speaker 7 (26:14):
Yes, bam at Abio was there, so the rumors of
them maybe dating. Yes, he was there. And the game
Cocks are right now beating Auburn seventy two to fifty
three with six minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
And of course, fever star Caitlin Clark is gonna have
her jersey retired by Iowa today after their game against USC.
That just tipped off, which is why I'm wearing my

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Caitlin Clark Iowa that Iowa Sam gave MEO. That's right,
and that's it.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (26:41):
Did you hear about the trade?

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, okay, there is that official.

Speaker 6 (26:45):
It is official. Yes, the Maps tweeted it. They said
welcome Anthony Davis.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Real. All right, well, Matsie, keep checking out social media
because that's right everyone's talking about. Once again, we are
live from the tire rack dot Com Studios. Fox Football Sunday,
Hartman and Ornberger. All right, both showed me a list.
So when the Nets made the deal with the Suns,
where Durant leaves the Nets to go to the Suns

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thirty four years old at the time, Okay, we're talking
about now, a twenty five year old, donchess. Give us
a list of what the Nets actually ended up getting
in return for a thirty four year old Kevin Durant.

Speaker 5 (27:26):
Okay, So the Nets turned thirty four year old Katie.
This is all per Eric Slater, he's a nets beat
reporter for Clutch points. They turned thirty four year old
Kevin Durant into Cam Johnson, Zayre Williams. A twenty three
first from Phoenix, a twenty five first from Phoenix, a
twenty five first from the Knicks, a twenty five first
from Milwaukee, a twenty seven first from Phoenix, a twenty

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seven first from the Knicks, a twenty eight first swap
with the Sons, a twenty eight first swap with the Knicks,
a twenty nine first from Phoenix, a twenty nine first
from the Knicks, a twenty thirty one first from the Knicks,
and a bunch of second round picks from twenty five
to twenty thirty, and the Mavericks turned twenty five year
old Luka Doncic into Anthony Davis, Max Christy and a

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twenty nine first Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
So you're talking if I was counting correctly there not
counting the first swaps at least eleven number one picks.

Speaker 5 (28:20):
Thirteen picks totalsly yeah, Ten first rounders.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, Ten first round picks yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Ten first round picks yeah, ten and second ten and
Dallas Skins one first round pick. I mean, come hot
for an All NBA superstar five straight years first team
All NBA going into this year at age twenty five
to ten. I mean this is again, where is the

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commissioner to at least answer questions on how this is
feasible that this trade is approved?

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Well?

Speaker 7 (28:54):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (28:55):
I just I don't think that we want to start
the slippery slope of having commissioners be like putting their
hands into league business like that.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
You do understand there was these ted Sectian rule Yeah,
I understand that where he ended up training all these
you know, for future picks, and they actually.

Speaker 5 (29:11):
See step can't Yeah, you can't shange the rules.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
That's how the Lakers ended up with James Worthy is
the number one overall pick on a trade they had
made seven years before.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
I just I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
Like so back in twenty twenty when the Rams traded
for Matt Stafford, if the Niners had an issue with that,
they should have complained to the commissioner and Goodell should
have stepped in to stop it.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, look at it again. There is a long history,
and look at it. You're taking it from a guy
that's been around the lakes.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Whatever.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
But the Lakers have gotten favorable deals time after time.

Speaker 5 (29:44):
Yeah, the Lakers aren't the only team, though.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
They are by far the biggest beneficiary of one sided
deals in the history.

Speaker 1 (29:51):
Of the NBA.

Speaker 5 (29:51):
I would argue there's there's not been a bigger beneficiarya
of luck and deals than the Golden State Warriors adding
Kevin Durant to a team that won two games or
whatever it was, or seventy three games.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
But they didn't even need him.

Speaker 5 (30:04):
Well, but they added him because they got lucky.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
We should investigate what that trade deal looked like, I mean,
or did he know?

Speaker 5 (30:11):
It's because it's because Steph got hurt early enough in
his career that they could sign him for cheaper and then,
because I believe it was because of the lockout, the
cap smoothed just enough in that offseason for them to fill. Hey,
that happens.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
It was like a two hour wish.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
Should we investigate the Clippers for collusion when they got
Paul George and.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Hang on a second, Hang on a second though that
that Durant was a free agent sign Yeah he.

Speaker 5 (30:38):
Was, but they still they still lucked into the rules
changing enough for them to get him.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
That feels lucky. The Lakers could also just be lucky.
I mean, okay, I.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
Think I think part of it too, Like NBA GM's
are so obsessed with this idea of flexibility and having
as many picks as they can get that they're then
scared to do anything with them. Like the thunder have
had all these picks for decades or you know, for
a decade now they've they've had all these picks that
they haven't turned into anything yet.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Really, how are they doing right now?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
They're the top seed in the West, But have they
won anything?

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I will give you an example. What do you say
they haven't done anything? They went from the bottom feeders.

Speaker 5 (31:16):
But have they won the championship?

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, not yet yet.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Abslutely one of the favorites this year either.

Speaker 5 (31:21):
But they could have traded some of those picks that
he's stockpiled to.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Give you example bough of kind of what you're saying, right, So, yes,
if it were a different team, we'd probably feel differently
about this, the Deshaun Watson trade. To use a different sport,
Deshaun Watson was available for hire. He hadn't played because
of all, you know, what was unraveling about him in
his personal life, but he was the bell of the

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ball for that offseason. If you remember, all these different
teams were, you know, vying for a trade package with
the Houston Texans for his services, and their assumption, whoever
was going to win this sweepstakes was going to have
one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Right, that
was the assumption at the time. I know it has

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worked out very differently for Cleveland and for Deshaun Watson
in the aftermath, but that was the thought process. So
the Cleveland Browns not only trade is it two first
rounders to the Houston Texans for Deshaun Watson, which now
looks like Houston won the deal hands down because of

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how bad Deshaun Watson has played on the other side
of it. Plus they gave him that guaranteed contract, and
then you look at what Houston has turned it into.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
C J.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Stroud will Anderson Junior out of Alabama, who's been one
of the better.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Defensives Enerjet for a second. Ere the reason they gave
up so much as there was competition for the.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Services at Shan Watson.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Right now, all Wes seem to know about this deal
was is that the Mavericks call the Lakers say are
you interested in Luka Doncic? I mean, if there had
been any hint that Luca was on the market, you
don't think a guy like Shams would have known about it.
You don't think anybody would report the idea that, believe
it or not, Luka Doncic is on the market.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
That never happened.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
So this was one call by the.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Mavericks to the Lakers saying are you interested in Luka Doncic?

Speaker 3 (33:17):
And a deal was done just like that. Yep, this
is what we have.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
A notion that Doncic had provided the Dallas Mavericks the
runway to move on from him, in part because it
was way too as one as one can graciously exit
Dallas by allowing them to get something in return for him.
So he apparently started the conversation why the Lakers?

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Why would if you would if you had put Luka
Doncic on the open market to the highest bidder, which
is what normally a team would do. If you're trying
to get rid of a superstar in the prime of
his career, you would put him out on the open
market and see how much.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
You can get. And they didn't do that.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
I mean, they just wanted to specifically call the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (34:00):
And say, can you give us Anthony Davis?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Oh? Sure? Is it?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
It's either collision with the Lakers to get them a
superstar or Nico Harrison is a bad GM, and which
one is more likely?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
I would I would argue. I would argue this.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
Because do you remember what his first move was as
the MAVs GM.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I do not.

Speaker 5 (34:19):
It was letting Jalen Brunson walk for nothing.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
All right, Listen, he could be a bad GM and
when he was when he was an executive with Nike. Okay,
who pays him? Adelson?

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Okay, so he is doing what Addelson is telling him
to do.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yes, that's what I was good.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
I think that the MAVs had no intention of paying
him the super Max money.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Right, so they're five years Serena four.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
We're doing everything they can as they send him out
of town to make it look hold the thought.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Are we are? We all like under the spell that
never in the history of the NBA have things been
promised either to a coach who obviously is under contract
with an ownership. There's no union that represents coaches, or
that a general manager who is a part of the
front office has never been told explicitly this never leaves

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this room. But dot dot dot, how much gone on?
Suck this year and the years to follow, So we
can we can make it so we can move on
from this hell hole we consider a city, So we
can we can move our team to a different market.
Because we've seen this time and time again, and every
single time it happens, we know on the outside what's happening. Oh,

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this team's tanking for a draft pick. Oh, this team's
tanking because they they're they're they want a new stadium
and they're threatening to move. Oh, this team's doing this
and it seems so obvious. But everybody on the outside
of the ropes is making assumptions and everybody on the
inside of the ropes is saying, we would never do
that to our fans. We love loves Vegas, I mean Dallas.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
They're trying to do. They're trying to do a reverse
Major League. They're trying to do a Major League right
where they just stink and they moved to Vegas. But
they Nico Harrison is such a bad GM. He messed
up and got a good player.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Now he's a great because he's doing exactly what the
owners telling to do. Yeah, how was it amazing that
the San Antonio Spurs pulled an inside straight to get
Wemby on their team? Remember that one pulled an inside straight?
How did that possibly happen? All right, we'll continue on
with this, and yes, we are going to beginning our

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breakdown of the matchup, and it's going to be a
very interesting matchup. In fact, I've got some very interesting
thoughts myself about who's going to actually win that game
coming up a week from today, we'll break it all
down here on Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Steve Harbin and a Rich Armurger.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Fox Football Sunday, we live from the Ti rag dot
Com studios. I know we haven't talked any football yet
we will. I promise you that, no doubt. But there
are so many unanswered questions. I mean, we could go
all day on this doncic Ad trade, but they're just

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everyone's digesting it. You know, happens late on a Saturday night.
By the way, if you're Schams, yeah and you got this, okay, okay,
kid me. First of all, a trade of this magnitude.
The idea that there wasn't a hint of this deal,

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not a hint of this deal. Something just everybody that's
directly involved in this, including Chams, something doesn't smell right here.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
There's no way a deal like this.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
You know how many NBA insiders there are that are
literally on the phone or on notice twenty four to seven,
and not a single one, not one had even a
hint of this deal. Only Chams had that deal.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Do you think that woj was looking at his phone
like the green Goblin mask, like just one more time.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, one more Like in his office
somewhere at Saint Joe's just thinking to himself.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Like, okay, I must crush so the idea one more.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Bumb So you know, Lebron.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
Had no clue. Nobody had a clue. No, no team
in the league hurt anything. Honestly, I there's going to
be an investigation, and there should be.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I've watched Lebron James read chapter books in the Lakers
dressing room. I've watched him you know where, He's on
the last page, very clearly finishing up a long book.
And then when questioned about reading the book, they say like, hey, so,
what was your favorite part of the book. He was like,
you know, all of it. Honestly, if I were to
pick one chapter, I would be doing disservice to the author.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Didn't really like the way the cat in the Hat
was so many to those kids.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I remember one time they asked him what his favorite
movie was, and he said, without hesitation, The Godfather. And
they said, what's your favorite line from the movie The Godfather?
And he went, gosh, all of them, all of them, okay,
And I mean, and you know, I mean so like
I mean, and I believe him because you know me too,
being a Godfather fan. I mean, I'm afraid, oh, Michael Corlin,

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I mean, you could go anybody, any anybody in that movie.
Everything's quotable. So I trust Lebron. I trust Lebron. There
I hold his word to the highest regard in terms
of trustworthiness. If he says that he was having a
delicious spaghetti dinner in the city of New York and

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and and he was completely unaware that his teammate Anthony
Davis was being traded for Luka Doncic. Yeah I believe.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Yeah, Okay, no one does, and uh no one does,
and no one believes that Cham's was somehow just miraculously
fell into this story with not a single basketball insider
having any knowledge. We're we got to turn our attention
to the big game. This is Fox Football Sunday, rolling

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Speaker 1 (40:23):
All right.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
So if anything else happens about this deal in the NBA,
and you know what I'm talking about, we'll update you.
But he this show here is Fox Football Sunday. And
last time I checked my calendar, we are exactly seven
days away from kickoff of Super Bowl fifty nine, the

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rematch between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Philadelphia Eagles.
By the way, speaking of rematches, so this is the
ninth time that two different franchises have had rematches in
Super Bowls. Not necessary obviously back to back years, but rematches.
Only two teams have ever faced each other three times.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Interesting, two teams have faced each other three times in
a Super Bowl three times in a Super Bowl. It's
got to be Patriots Giants was twice.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Oh man, there's only one time that two teams have
faced each other three times in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Steelers and Steelers. Packers, No, who, Steelers who? Cowboys? Oh,
Cowboys Cowboys twice in the Tom Landry era. Yeah, yea,
you know later when Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
So that's the only three. But here's here's the interesting
thing about this. So for the last five times we've
had a rematch, the team that won the first game
also won the second game.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
The one exception the New England Patriots and the Philadelphia Eagles.
Patriots beat the Eagles back when Andy Reid was the coach,
and then in the rematch, of course, Doug Peterson and
Nick Foles led the Eagles to the victory over.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
The New England Patriots. And why is that significant? Well,
here here's my thought. Obviously we're going to do a
lot of breaking down as far as a lot of
the technical stuff and everything else, but.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Here here's just there's a reason why.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
No team has won three straight Super Bowls. Winning won
Super Bowl is tough enough. The idea of winning back
to back Super Bowls is it's almost unfathomable. Eight teams
had done it before, none of which had ever actually
made it back to the Super Bowls the first time
ever teams won back to back Super Bowls and then
been in the Super Bowl with an opportunity win three

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straight Super Bowls. But it is a long haul and
you need a lot of breaks. And one thing we
have seen about the Kansas City Chiefs, this current edition
of the Chiefs, I believe they have now won seventeen
consecutive one score games. We'll just think about that for

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a second. Okay, this is an all time NFL record,
including the postseason, seventeen consecutive one score games. I mean,
when you think about it, if you look at one
score games, it predictably is like flipping a coin heads
or tails.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
It's a fifty to fifty proposition.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
So it's the equivalent of flipping a coin seventeen straight
times and correctly predicting the outcome. That's how unreal this
streak is for the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
In one score games.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
Even think what happened in the Super Bowl two years ago, right, yep,
you remember how that played out. The Eagles came down,
tied the game, got the two point conversion to tie
it up, and then the Chiefs I think there was
like four minutes left, but they ran the whole all
clock down. There was that incredible Every time that Patrick
Mahomes scrambles, it's always like the biggest scramble over right,

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he just goes right up the middle, takes the knee,
and they just ran out the clock, kicked the last
second field go game over.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
My gut feeling is this time is run out on
the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
The reality is, if we break down these rosters, you
have an Eagles team that was number one in the
league in total defense, number one in the league in
passing defense. They have the best running back in the league,
and they have a team of veterans who've been in
the Super Bowl. So it's not like, Wow, never been
here before. It's you know, they've all been there, including

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their quarterback. So on paper at least, I won't figure
it out as we go, but on paper at least
there is a significant advantage. I believe in talent on
both sides of the football, favoring the Philadelphia Eagles in
Super Bowl fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
I don't disagree with everything you've said. I think that
the Chiefs are a better prepared situational football team than
most teams in the NFL. However, they are facing an
opponent with a better roster overall, except for one key piece,
maybe two key pieces, and one obviously more important than

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the other. First key piece your quarterback. The Chiefs have
the better quarterback. All those clutch stats that you just reviewed,
winning games between one and eight points behind in the
fourth quarter in overtime, the percentage of wins that Patrick
Maholmes has in those situations is absurd. He is inarguably

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one of the most clutch players we've ever seen in
sports history at the professional level. He's unbelievably calculated and
he can execute in those moments. But also they have
Andy Reid, and in my opinion, over the years, he
has developed into one of the better situational coaches in
the NFL. Nick Sirianni's patrolling the opposite sideline. Coach and

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quarterback are a pairing that you cannot overlook. And if
you go back through the history of Super Bowl winners,
especially teams who have had long standing success in the
postseason and the Super Bowl, I mean, it works really
well when you start when you start to look at
that coach quarterback comparison or that pairing. You know, look

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at Brady and Belichick, look at the Dallas Cowboys, look
at the Montana Walsh era, you know, Reid and Mahomes.
That is the biggest reason why I still throw my Yes,
it's hard to three peat, but I still throw my
support behind the Kansas City Chiefs. It's undeniable. Well, and

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I'm not gonna deny that.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
And I would say this, Betty against the Chiefs, do
it at your own risk.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
I mean, here was the thing.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
When you watch that AFC Championship game, we just saw
it was a close game throughout, but you never got
a sense that the Bills thought.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
They were gonna win the game.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, you always got a sense from the Bills standpoint that, yeah,
it just seemed like, all right, we're hanging in there.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
Think about this stat. Someone gave me.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
The stat about teams that had scored at least four
touchdowns with no turnovers were something like fifteen and two
in the playoffs. The two losses were both the Bills
at KC. The Bills scored the only turnover the game
was that Patrick Mahomes fumble. So no turnovers, you scored

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at least four touchdowns, and you lose the game. And
so there's an inevitability that I just felt that the
whole game of the Bills, like all right, we're making
it close, we're keeping we're staying in this game, but
we're gonna.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Lose this game.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
They're they're just gonna find a way.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
This is why. And I agree with the whole hardly
at the top.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
The idea of conspiracy theories and all this are a
complete mockery. But if you are a believer in conspiracy theories,
it's easy to justify that belief based on how the
Chiefs have time and again, certainly the last couple of years,
whether it's the fault of their opponent or making some
miraculous play on their own, they always seemingly come out

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on top.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
All right, So the Chiefs have gone eleven straight playoff
games without committing more penalties than our opponents. That is
the longest streak of any team in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
In officiating. Who calls the penalties?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Who calls the penalties? The officials? Right? Yeah, Now, that
is obviously no fault of the Chiefs that they've had
this streak of luck if you want to call it that,
or potentially have gotten favor from certain crews. There's no
questioning that it's not their fault. What I will say

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is the fault of one or the other side on
the playing field in terms of the opponents. How about
the opponent for not capitalizing on some of the mistakes? Oh,
and here's why, because the Chiefs don't make a lot
of them in important games. It is rare to see
the Chiefs make more mistakes than their opponent. That's the
reason why they've been so successful. There are now comparisons

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being drawn between Patrick Mahomes and Tom Brady, and they're saying, look,
how many more calls Patrick Mahomes gets than Tom Brady
did during the Patriots two decade long dynasty. It's like
revisionist history, though, because when I was in New England
and I was playing for the Patriots, everybody hated the
Patriots because the Patriots always got all the calls and

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they cheated twice. And I can't tell you how many
times I grew up in New York, I was drafted
as a New England Patriots player, and half of my
friends and family were like, look, we love you and
we'll always root for you, but we hate the Pats,
So screw your team. We hope that you guys lose
every game. Like people hated, like viscerally hated the Patriots.

(49:59):
And oh, they're looking at the past with these rose
colored glasses on saying Brady didn't get all these roughing
the passer calls BS baloney. I remember everybody complaining about
that back then. And you want to know why, Well,
it's because when the Patriots were good, just like the
Chiefs are right now, when you made a mistake against

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the Patriots, they made you pay for it. Like so,
if you cost yourself fifteen yards on a questionable roughing
the passer call, guess what the Patriots were scoring. They
were finishing with the ball in the end zone. Same
thing with the Kansas City Chiefs. Not to say that
they haven't had good luck. They have the statistics work
out where they are on a thirty year streak of

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having more consecutive playoff games with with less penalties than
their opponents. There's no question that luck has played a
role or potentially some favoritism by certain officiating crews. Do
I think it's a conspiracy. No, I don't think the
NFL is conspiring to make Kansas City the bell of
the ball. Do I think the Chiefs are a better

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prepared team with a better quarterback than every other single
team in the NFL right now? The answer is one
hundred percent Yes, Well, I would equate it to this.
So does the best looking girl in the room get
the most attention?

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Almost always, almost always right, whether deserved or not, just
based on appearance. And so when you are the New
England Patriots back in the day or the current Kansas
City Chiefs, you're the best looking woman in the world, Steve,
you and I are boxing fans, right and from what
I say, but this is part of the idea. The
idea is is that when we talk about the officials,

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it's almost human nature to subconsciously favor the best looking person.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
In the room. Yep, yep, that's pretty much what happens.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
It may not be a conscious decision, but it's sort
of a subconscious decision.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Popularity, you know, it breeds favorite, there's no question about it.
So you're right. Human nature does play role in this.
And guess what, this is a very human subjective sport
to call because most of the penalties being called are
subjective pass interference holding, roughing the pass, or offensive or
defensive holding. By the way, I mean, there are so

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few like black and white, you know, over the line
without subjectivity calls that you can make through a question you.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Talk about this, Yeah, do you feel like in your
time in the New England Patriots you got more favorable
treatment than officials than when you were with the Arizona Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I would, I would say, God, and not.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Only you, but your your linemates as well. Now you
felt like when you got to Arizona, a really bad
team that one year after leaving the Patriots, that seem
like things that we might have gotten away with as
a group in New England. They were not giving Arizona
the same favoritists. If I'm answering, honestly, I would answer no,

(52:59):
I didn't notice. I swear I didn't notice. Whether it's
better or worse. I promise you that's that's an honest answer.
What I will say is this, we're both boxing fans,
and in boxing, you give a tie to the champion.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Yeah. Always. I mean went a lot of those. If
you're a contender. If you're a contender, you better beat
the champ. You better beat the champ, knock out the champ,
leave no stone unturned, be undeniably the best, and you
get the belt. That is what the rest of the
NFL is up against when they play the Kansas City Chiefs.

(53:35):
You got to beat the Chiefs. And guess what the
team just lost to them in the AFC championship game.
They had the secret sauce in the regular season. They
could not replicate it in the championship game. But that's
where great teams shine.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
They kept it close, which was a sure recipe to lose.
That's what happened to the Buffalo Bills.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
On the other side, if you are frantically looking for
a reason why the Chiefs will not win this game,
unfortunately I have more bad news for you.

Speaker 3 (54:03):
We'll explain. This is Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Steve Harvin and rich Ronberger. Here Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
We are live from the tire rack dot Com studios.
By the way, updating on the aftermath of the Luka
Doncic Anthony Davis trade, It's now being reported that Lebron
James intends on staying with the Lakers.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
That's a that's a really that's big.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Breaking news, breaking news. Yeah, I mean I like that
breaking news. Lebron says he will stay with the Lakers. Wow, wow, Wow,
whoa caught me off guard with that one.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Where were you when you heard that Lebron said he
was gonna stay.

Speaker 5 (54:46):
The Lakers also have made the trade official, so Luka
Don is officially a Laker. He's wearing number seventy seven.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
I saw the pictures of the seventy seven, and we
have no idea when he's gonna know.

Speaker 5 (54:57):
But MAVs GM Nico Harrison did speak prior to the
MAVs game today. He said that Luca gave no indication
that he wanted out or wouldn't sign an extension moving forward,
and that the Lakers were the only team that he
talked to.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, he had he didn't have a no trade in
his deal.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
I don't think. I think only Lebron and Bradley Beal
have no trades in the NBA. Really yeah, I don't
think there's that many no trade.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Cancers in the NBA. Interesting. What is so fascinating about
all this is we will will never know exactly why
or how this deal came together, because nobody will admit
one hundred percent why this happened. Because if the most
logical conclusion is that the Lakers and the Dallas Mavericks

(55:41):
mutually discussed behind closed doors, and I'm talking about some
of the highest of the highest ups, how this would
benefit themselves, either on the short term or into the future.
More looking forward into the future, and much to the
chagrin of Dallas Mavericks fans, I would say, I would say,
we'll never really know what happened.

Speaker 5 (56:03):
That is the I do feel really bad for Mavericks fans. Uh,
they are very rightfully pissed off at their franchise. But
but but if you see the pictures at the outside
of their arena today, well, like.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Kenny, if you're gonna trade Luka Doncic, you're gonna you're
gonna have everybody out there competing.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
And you're gonna get ten number ones you're gonna get.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Think about the Hall that OKC got for Paul George,
the speculation, the clip like this is Shade Gills. All
those number one picks, I mean those are all nice
pick I do think that we are kind of underrating
Anthony Davis a little bit here.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
He's thirty one years old and.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
He's a he's a top ten player in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
How much longer is he gonna be around?

Speaker 5 (56:47):
Do you think I do you think the MAVs care
about that? If the pair of Kyrie and Ad carry
them on a long playoff run, get to the finals.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
Okay, if they win a championship this year. This is
what I was gonna say, is so like, we'll never
know the exact how or why, right, but the closest
we'll get to having a reasonable explanation if we're not
going to believe that there was any conclusion or collusion,
that we're not going to believe that this was in
some nefarious intentions. If the Dallas Mavericks end up getting

(57:15):
back to the finals and winning it, we'll say, Okay,
what they were doing is in maybe a little bit
of a short sighted way, sacrificing the future for sure,
short term gain. They were trying to get it all
together while they felt the iron was the hottest to strike.
And you know what, as it turns out, they made
a good decision on that front, and they'll deal with
the fallout in the future. Okay, So you could make

(57:37):
that argument, and if it all works out that way,
maybe that's a worthy argument. More likely, Anthony Davis is
pissed that he is in Dallas right now. Luka, Doncic
is happy that he's in La because I think he
was catching a lot of flak from this organization about,
you know, the way he's comported himself in the offseason

(57:59):
and things like that. And he's playing with inarguably the
biggest star still in the NBA and Lebron James playing
in the second biggest market in the country where he'll
make more money marketing wise than he ever has in Dallas.
Like so, Lucas very happy, Lebron's happy. So the only
person who really loses out on this trade is Anthony Davison.
The fans. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (58:17):
February February twenty fifth, the Lakers play the Mavericks here
at a crypto or stables.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Everyone to call it I don't think there's gonna be
a lot of smiles.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
I have a feeling that might be a fifty to
twenty game from Anthony Davis that'll be well earned.

Speaker 1 (58:30):
By the way, he won't be that upset.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
The last year of his deal that he has right
now will pay him sixty six million dollars the last.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Year of that deal. How is he ever going to
I mean, how are you going to survive on that
kind of money? Understand? All right?

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Getting back to football for a moment here now, This
could be a very distressing stat if you are hoping
that the Kansas City Chiefs are going to be defeated
in Super Bowl fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (58:54):
Oh boy, this is this is not a good stat.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
You're about to break a lot of hearts.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
So Vic Fanji, the defensive coordinator of the Eagles, longtime
defensive coordinator in the NFL. As a coordinator, his record
against Patrick Mahomes is ohn eight.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Eight.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
So yes, Mahomes is eight and oher against Vic Fangio defenses.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
All right, all right, so I want look at it.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
As I said, the Eagles had the number one total
defense in the NFL this year, number one passing defense
in the NFL. Now, if you look back at the
teams that had the best success against Tom Brady, the
two wins by the Giants to win by the Eagles
in both those games, all three of those games, teams

(59:47):
were able to get him a little bit off the mark,
you know, by putting pressure up the middle, you know,
getting him uncomfortable. Sure, so, Vic Fangio has seen enough.
I'm sure of Patrick Mahomes climbing and how many times
do we watch the Chiefs where he takes off on
a run.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
You're like, why weren't you spine on him?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Or you know, Travis Kelsey is wide open, Like are
you kidding me? How are you allowing Kelsey to be
wide open? No one knows defense in the NFL better
than Vic Fangio. I mean, he's been around this game forever.
He has prepared many times to face off against Patrick Mahomes.
So you've got to come up with a wrinkle in

(01:00:28):
your defense that they can't obviously see in your tendencies
that you've been doing this year with the Eagles. What
do you think Vic Fangio has up his sleeve, Because
you've got to come up with something to figure out a.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Way to beat Patrick Mahomes. All right, I'm going to
give you about a sixty second dire tribe on what
makes Patrick Mahomes so difficult to defend. So, Patrick Mahomes
has an understanding of a multitude of things, but most importantly,
what the defense is doing to him. Whatever picture you
present to him pre snap, he has a plan for

(01:01:02):
an answer to the question you're posing whatever shift made
post snap, or if you're gonna spin the defense. You know,
a lot of times what you'll see when defense are
trying to disguise things is coverage more favoring one side
of the field. It looks like they're gonna blitz off
the offense is right, and then all of a sudden,
the coverage spins to the left side of the field

(01:01:24):
to cover up some of the problems that'll present for
coverage to that side. As they're bringing a corner blitz
or something like that. You'll see all those things. Those
pictures happen really quickly. They're happening in real time. But
the problem with defending Patrick Mahomes is he knows it's
going to happen. He knows your tendencies. He understands how
to protect against those things, whether he is going to

(01:01:45):
shift his pass protection to take care of the problems,
or he's gonna know the hot receiver to get the
ball too fast to defeat the blitz. Now, if you
want to play coverage against him and play a two
deep or three deep shell, he's going to pepper the
ball underneath to his running back, his tight ends like
Gray and Kelsey, Or he's going to find his receivers
on short routes or crossing routes over the middle. He's

(01:02:07):
going to throw it to the voidts in the zones.
If you play man defense against him, he is going
to find the mismatches. He's going to find Travis Kelcey
with a linebacker who has no business covering Travis Kelcey,
and that's how he gets so open. Or he is
going to find a way to motion or shift a
receiver so he has a favorable matchup against a weaker
coverage player. It is impossible to defend quarterbacks like Patrick Mahomes,

(01:02:32):
like Peyton Manning, like Tom Brady, like Drew Brees, who
study this game at a savant level to the point
where you cannot accurately call defense against them to surprise them,
because they are unsurprisable. So Vic Fango the reason why
he's zero to eight as a defensive coordinator against Patrick
Mahomes is because Patrick Mahomes may spend as much time

(01:02:54):
in front of the film as Vic Fangio, maybe more.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Well, that's why he's got to come up with something
kind to see in the film.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
It is got to figure it out. But you gotta
do that without stressing your own defense, because if you
have the intelligence on your defense to get what you
just said done, Steven, you have two weeks to get
that done, to get that installed in your defense. Something
you've never run. Something little wrinkle, that's all you need.
So you need a lot more than a little rakle. Okay,
let's find out what's trending right now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
Let's see if there's more breaking news like lebron is
staying with the Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
Yeah, yeah, I love it too. They gave credit to
somebody who had.

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
It first, right, you know, it's like, wow, know what
that's the voice of Manzy Bonios. But as I know, my.

Speaker 6 (01:03:38):
Hero, You're welcome, You're my hero.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
Thanks for the coffee, got you got us burritos again.

Speaker 6 (01:03:44):
Unbelievable, Oh my pleasure. Guys. Let's kick off Sunday in
a good way. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 7 (01:03:49):
So, Uh, Nico Harrison and Jason Kidd are holding a
press conference right now as we speak because of this trade.

Speaker 6 (01:03:57):
I have a quick little SoundBite that I'm going to play.

Speaker 7 (01:04:00):
This is GM Nico Harrison asking about like this, this
big trade.

Speaker 6 (01:04:08):
Can you guys hear it? Give me a second, Give
you a second. It's just happening right now.

Speaker 1 (01:04:13):
Give me, yes, hold on, hold on.

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
I got it, I got it. I know that Ian
is pulling it right now. So it's literally happening as
we speak.

Speaker 7 (01:04:21):
So I'm trying to huh, it's common No.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
You think this will work in the short term in
the long term? Short, short term makes great sense. How
do you see this working out well for the organization in.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
The long term?

Speaker 8 (01:04:33):
I think the long term is the time frame. I
think he fits our time frame. If you pair him
with with Kyrie and the rest of the guys, he
fits right along with our time frame to win now
and win in the future. And and the future to
me is three four years from now, in the future,
ten years from now. I know, I don't think they
probably bury me and Jay or we bear ourselves.

Speaker 6 (01:04:56):
Straight up says that ten years from now is not
what he's working.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
It doesn't sound very bright.

Speaker 7 (01:05:00):
Oh you should see Jason Kidd's face when he says that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Jason Kidd looks don't says that. No, I can't say,
they'll be burying me by that time.

Speaker 6 (01:05:11):
I'm like, ten years, what are you talking about?

Speaker 7 (01:05:13):
So kind of a little bit of what we were
saying that it seems like they're thinking about right now immediately,
but no, Jason Kidd.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):
Is like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Bro?

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
So it's happy right now. We'll get more soundbites as
it continues.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
We had to say was, look, we're trying to win
right now. Okay, we're trying to win right now. We
can't be worried about the future. We're trying to figure
out what we're gonna do right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
That's the answer.

Speaker 6 (01:05:37):
That's it, that's it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:38):
But instead he literally said, in ten years, I don't know,
we're probably gonna Oh my goodness, you don't get it.

Speaker 6 (01:05:43):
You don't get it.

Speaker 7 (01:05:44):
And men's college hoop's going on still right now Ohio
State and number eighteen Illinois, who's trying to make a
little bit of a comeback. But Ohio State is up
fifty five to fifty three with about eleven minutes to
go in the game. In the NHL, the Sabers are
on top of the Devil's three to one with four
minutes to go in the second period, and the final
round at the Pebble Beach pro am continues right now.

(01:06:04):
Justin Rose, Rory McElroy, Shane Lowry are at the top
of the leaderboard at sixteen underpar.

Speaker 6 (01:06:10):
Overall.

Speaker 7 (01:06:11):
Lucas Glover, Tom cam Cam Davis and Stepstraka, who started
at the top this morning, are one shot back back
to you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:06:18):
All right, thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:20):
Mine. Yes, yeah, it is so bad. I'm watching some
of the fallout from this Nico Harrison press conference. MONSI
was just playing sound from Yes. I mean, first of all,
Jason Kidd looks he's wearing this Kangle hat. He's in
there with the glasses on. In fact, while he's speaking,
Nico Harrison, GM of the Dallas Mavericks admitted Jay Kidd

(01:06:41):
had no idea about the trade. He gives him the thumb,
he like points over them and it's like in the
cityot over here we.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Wearing the hat. Let's hear more sound from this Mavericks.

Speaker 8 (01:06:53):
GM trades don't happen at the smallest level without stuff
getting out, and Rob and I were able to have,
you know, really intense conversations over the course of you know,
three or four weeks that started out as a coffee
that you know, it was more Hey would you ever?
I don't know what I let me think of, you know,

(01:07:13):
and then it built him on that and you know,
we we kept it between us. We had to, we
had to keep it tight. Jake Kid didn't know about it.
But JK and I are aligned and we talk about
archetypes and we talk about the culture that we want
to create. So I know the type of players that
that he likes without actually talking to them. Hey would

(01:07:33):
you like?

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:07:34):
So I know that, and JK coached them when they
won the championship, So so I think when you're aligned
with your coach like that, I know the type of
players that he likes, and so I felt good about
it making sense to where we're trying to go from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Okay, okay, I'm sorry. This guy is a complete buffoon.
And look, you you have to believe again the magnitude
of this trade and how little they got in return
for a twenty five year old superstar had to come
a mandate from ownership. You want to keep your job,

(01:08:11):
Unload this guy. We're not going to give him the
Supermax done.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Figure it out, yep, and give give, give us, give
us the best you can return.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
And and and and again.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
The one thing he did say that makes sense, at
least in the short term, pairing Kyrie Irving with Anthony
Davis looks good. I mean, that's you got a great
point guard, a premier point guard, a premier big man,
and they still have years left, maybe one or two
years where you could say, all right, put these two together,
let's see what happens. But in the long term, just

(01:08:45):
say it. We're not worried about the long term. We
were thinking right now. Luke has'm play since Christmas Day.
We're not one hundred percent satisfied that he's going to
be in the condition necessary.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Maybe in the short term, whatever it is. You will
never convince me, though, that this didn't start now again, publicly,
we will never hear anybody admit this. But you will
never convince me that this didn't start with either Lebron
himself or somebody from Lebron's camp personally, reaching out to

(01:09:16):
somebody affiliated closely with Luca's camp and making sure that
this could even be consummated before Rob Polinka and Nico
Harrison ever spoke to each other. Because the general manager
of the Lakers in name only. By the way, Rob
Polinka is not actually the general manager of the Lakers.
He's not. Lebron James is the general manager of the Lakers.

(01:09:39):
The fact that the tweet even had to be put
out that Lebron was shocked and surprised by this, I mean,
it is all just window dressing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
Do you believe that Lebron James will be playing in
the NBA next season.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
I think he will be. I think he will be
for his son. I think until Bronni James.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Ronnie James is never going to be an NBA play.
You know that playing in the NBA and being an
NBA player in two different times.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
I'm telling you. I'm telling you he is trying to
set his son up.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
Well, you can do that without playing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
It's possible, but it's a lot easier if you are
because all of a sudden, because not as many people
are indebted to you when you're out of the league
than when you're in the league. That is for sure,
you have a lot more cache and a lot more
sway if he did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
The impossible, He got a team to actually waste a
draft pick on a kid that was second team All
league league and senior year in high school and yet
miraculously showed up on the McDonald's All American team.

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
He was like the second or third best player in
his high.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
School team, and he made McDonald's All American as a
second team All league player.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
And I skill, come hey bye, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
He's already accomplished what no other player you could accomplish.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
He was able to railroad his kid into the NBA.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
And I don't think he's done. I don't think he's
done because also we were just having this conversation at break, Steve,
you know you you had mentioned yesterday on the air
chatting with Monsey about how Lebron James has probably done
a major disservice to his son by exposing him the
way he has. You heard the MVP chance the other night.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
They're mocking him, They're mocking him, and then he was
laughing on the bench as the crowd was mocking his son.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
I think he has unfinished business. I think he's going
to try to make this work. I don't think he's
done yet. I think we see Lebron James on the
court as a Laker next season.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
Okay, well, if he is, it's gonna be interesting to
see how his game actually meshes with Luka Doncis, because
if you look at him statistically, they're the same guy.
Luca is not a great shooter. His career is under
thirty five percent three point shooting, but he takes a
lot of shots.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
He's a volume shooter.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I mean he's a volume shooter.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
He handles the ball much like James Harden did back
in his Rocket days. He basically just holds the ball.
He dribbles, Yeah, he holds hold count dribbles. I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Who got that job?

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
And it was like had like fifty more tribbles than
any other player. Like, that's the game that Doncis plays,
played played with the Mavericks.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
How's that going to work now?

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Because he will not be able to play that game
that he has with the Mavericks with Lebron James on
the court.

Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Yep, it's impossible. It's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
They play a very similar game. So I don't know
how this is going to mesh between the two of them.
What's interesting, obviously, is that you have the trade deadline
on Thursday, and the Lakers still had plenty of trade
capital right now to get what they need desperately, which
is a big.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
They didn't give up anything to get Luca.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
I mean, they gave up a D But I meanma,
you've got these guys that were already supposedly potentially on
the trend. By the way, they got to get a
big Dalton connect who's been a pretty solid perimeter shooter
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
So yeah, I they they need a rim protector. They
need somebody in the paint. Obviously, now that Ad is gone,
they're going to be able to spend the capital to
find that. And then the Lakers all of a sudden
vault themselves to the tippy top of the conversation, just
where they always want to be. It was part of
the reason why they signed Lebron James to a contract

(01:13:20):
in the first place. It's the reason why he wanted
to be in LA. It's it's what the late doctor
Jerry Buss always said. He was like, I don't just
want a good basketball team, I want an entertaining product
for the fans. Is there anything more entertaining than the
prospect of seeing Luca and Lebron James playing Los Angeles together?
Not this NBA season. This is it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
The story has you see all thes money going in
on the lakers hip. Holy Only Everyone's like, oh, now
Lakers are the team to beat, and I'm like, they
have no defense. They literally have no UFC Luca ever
play any defense. No, they have no defense, they have
no rim protector. And yet everybody's like pouring money in
on the Lakers win the championship.

Speaker 3 (01:14:02):
All right, another shift into gears.

Speaker 1 (01:14:04):
For just a moment.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
On the other side, Rich, I have, as you know,
big connection with Halls of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Yes, much to your disdain, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
But I have found out with the big announcement coming
up on Thursday and the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Uh huh. I know who was eliminated. Wow, I'm gonna
give you a name.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
One hundred percent will not be part of the Pro
Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
I have an inside.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
No one else has this, only I have it, and
I'm sharing it with you out there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
This is Fox Football Sunday, Steve Harmon and Rich Armburger.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Here Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
We are live from the Tairaq dot Com studios. So
part of the entire week leading up to the Super
Bowl is the NFL Honors. This is where you have
all the season awards that will be announced a big
ceremony on Thursday, and they will all so announced the
Pro Football Hall of Fame Class of twenty twenty five.

(01:15:04):
So if you've been listening to me over those last
one hundred years, you know that I have a lot
of interest in the Hall of Fame, and I'm partnered
with someone that has total disdain for honors and Hall
of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:15:16):
So it's you talk about an odd couple, that's us.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
But anyway, I do like to share some information that
I can share with you. So the actual class will
be announced on Thursday. However, I have already through sources,
confirmed who will definitely not.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Be in the Class of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (01:15:38):
Okay, so from the fifteen, eight have been eliminated and
there's seven left, of which no more than five will
actually make the Hall of Fame class. So I'm not
going to share any of those names, but I will
give you one name of someone that was one hundred
percent eliminated from consideration.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
For the Pro Football Hall of Fame class of twenty
twenty five. All right, let me hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
And that person is Eli Manning.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
That is so stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
So Eli Manning was eliminated. He was cut and will
not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. So, Eli Manning,
I'm sure at some point will get in the Hall
of Fame. Although we got a lot of quarterbacks that
are suddenly going to be up for got. You might
have heard Tom Brady, Drew Brees, some of these guys
that have insane Hall of Fame credentials.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
But Eli Manning will not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Be a member of the twenty twenty five Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Pass Tom Brady was beaten by two
quarterbacks in Super Bowls. Yeah, Nick Foles, who will not
be in the Hall of Fame. I do not think
you will. But and then the other name is Eli Manning.
And how many times did Eli beat Tom Brady? And
those Super Bowl Eli beat him? Or Dad Giants defense
beat him? So he won two Super Bowls. Yes, he'd

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against the greatest quarterback of all time in the only
two meetings that the Giants had with the Patriots. In
those Super Bowls in that era, and Eli Manning is
not in the NFL's or Pro Football's Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Well, at some point he probably will be. But he
had a career five hundred record. He never won any awards,
you know, none, never even got a single vote ever
for you know, all the first.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
Team All Pro. And so this is when you talk
about Joe Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
It's it's just so stupid. I mean, it's just so dumb.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Okay, So you think, if you think what quarterback's Johnny Andidas,
Peyton Manning, Brett farv Uh, these are first ballot guys,
and you think that he should be included on that list.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Does it tarnish their reputation if Eli Manning is allowed
in on a first ballot?

Speaker 9 (01:17:50):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Does it diminish the greatness of Johnny Unitis or his
brother Peyton or any of the other predecessors who have
made the Hall before him. No, it just it just
it's bizarre to me that he needs to wait. He's
obviously a Hall of Famer. I mean, expand the class
to six included, I mean, why are we just limiting
it to time?

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
I No, No, he didn't make the final seven.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
So no, he was. He was spanned the class to
eight that I don't I'll put it this way. It's
just so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
He was the only stat that he ever led the
league in. He actually led the league in this one
stat three times interception, the only.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Stat he ever led the NFL in.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
I mean, I don't know does that screen first ballot
Hall of Fame?

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
But okay, but let me get history. Let me write
the history of the NFL without including or mentioning Eli
Manning's name.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Here here was his one lost record and by the way,
his greatness in the postseason for two years it almost
supersedes all of what he did in the regular season.

Speaker 1 (01:18:50):
Those runs were miraculous.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
So he had two phenomenal runs and four other postseason appearances.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
He was one and done. How did he perform in those?

Speaker 3 (01:19:00):
He played very well in those seasons and he was
a gamer.

Speaker 1 (01:19:04):
He got to the NFL's postseason, which is supposed to
be the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Most Why is Jim Plunkett not in the Hall of Fame?
He won two Super Bowls and in both those games
his teams were also Underdoff.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
Put him in two. Okay, there you go. I mean,
this is my point. Why are we making this so exposed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Why are you singling out the quarterback, Eli Manning? There
were other giants that were on both those teams. Put
them okay, see you see this is this is the
difference between me sensible and this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Well, I don't say, I don't mean every single player, okay, okay,
but very least the kicker.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
By the way, speaking of kickers, Adam Vinatieria, I'm gonna
tell you this didn't make the final seven.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
He made the Final seven in his first day of eligibility,
but Eli Manning did not. We have more coming up
on the Big Game here on Fox Football Sunday. It
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Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
This is uh, this is always an interesting week leading
up to the big game. And I was mentioning earlier
one of the reasons that I'm I'm very much believing
that Eagles have more than a fighter's chance to win
the Super Bowl is having been there before, because if
you haven't as a player, or as a coach, assistant coach,

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or anyone in an organization, if you've never had the
Super Bowl experience, it is unlike anything you will ever
experience at any level of football. When you get into town,
you arrive and immediately the entire world of media. And
when I say world, I mean world and there's no
bigger event. I mean World Cup obviously is bigger, but

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that not only comes every four years, but the super
Bowl is right there. So you have the entire media
world descending upon you, and the NFL basically demands that
you partake. I remember the first Super Bowl I covered
as a radio personality was Super Bowl twenty five between

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the Giants and the Bills. Bills are coming off a
smashing victory over the Raiders, and the Giants at upset
without their starting quarterback. Phil Simms that Jeff hostetleric quarterback,
had upset the forty nine ers, who, by the way,
we're trying to repeat that year and so, but there
was this overwhelming like the Bills, I think were seven
point favorites, overwhelming favors. But instead of two weeks, they

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only had one week and still had the same requirements.
And Marv Levy, the Bills coach, said, no, I got
to get ready for a game, right and he got
fine and everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Well, they don't have to worry about that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
So you were part of a team, obviously getting ready
for a super Bowl. Let's talk a little bit about
two teams again. Obviously the Chiefs believe not fifth super
Bowl in the last six years, Eagle second super Bowl
in the last three years, ridiculous. What was it like
this past week in terms of preparation for the game?
Understanding that at least until maybe Thursday, they've got so

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many things required to do in terms of the media
that they just don't have time to really focus so
much on game plan as opposed to that, How much
was done at home this week by both these teams?

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
A lot? Actually a lot, you know, because when you
don't have a game to prepare for, you can practice
about as hard as you want to. And I remember
when I was in New England, this was the twenty
eleven season, preparing for the twenty twelve Patriots Giant super
Bowl in Indianapolis was the second meeting. This was the

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Mario Manningham catch that Super Bowl win for the Giants,
But preparing for the game, I remember that week not
feeling all that different from a lot of other weeks
preparing for a game. However, however, I will say this,
there was an awareness when you're on the field, like

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an excitement in the pit of your belly. For me,
especially being this being my first trip to a Super Bowl.
For many of the players who were on the team,
this was in certain cases their fourth trip to the
Super Bowl. You know, like there was like this this
brewing excitement that was feeling like we were getting closer
and closer to some sort of culmination because we knew

(01:23:43):
our travel schedule, we knew when we were boarding the
flights and heading out to Indianapolis, which was our super
Bowl site, and so you're getting you're getting ready basically
to restart and get ready all over again whenever you
land in Indy, and so that's what it was. It
kind of felt like it kind of felt like a
normal bye week where you would be preparing for upcoming

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opponents or an opponent. However, it was more exciting than that.
Because you knew waiting for you on the other end
was all the pomp and circumstance of a Super Bowl visit,
the media days, your family meeting you out there, and
your phone, I mean my phone as a backup offensive
lineman at the time of my career was I was

(01:24:27):
getting texts and calls and my phone was ringing off
the hook. So away from the field of play, it
felt different. But the week of at practice it felt
like just another week. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
I was so excited for that Super Bowl in Indianapolis
because obviously we did not meet until I came to
San Diego, and of course you end up retiring from
the Chargers and that began our odyssey together. But we
were in the same room because I was in that
you know, media content, the media tent, because I was well,

(01:24:59):
not the circus thing, the individual day, you know, where
you're sitting at an individual table. You take a bus
over there, and the one guy I wanted to see was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Because because because Junior and I had a long history
in San Diego, I used to m see his golf
tournament everything else.

Speaker 3 (01:25:19):
I was so excited for him that finally he was
going to win a Super.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
Bowl, Like I'm literally talking to Junior and like, this
is great that you're gonna and I'm sure I must
have walked right by your table.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I don't know how, you know. You know what's weird
is my table was sparsely attended.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
That I just did not understand that we were in
the same room together. It's but I mean, but again,
both these teams have been there obviously, Chiefs and this
Eagles team have been there, so they they are going
to be well prepared for this week. Nothing's going to
throw them for a loop. One thing you do not
want to do during this week is say something that's
going to be bulletin board stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:25:54):
See that. That was the tricky part because obviously I
was playing on a team with a lot of big personalities,
but it was the Patriot way, you know. So one
thing that we would avoid, or I should say that
Coach Belichick wanted us to avoid, and he did it
by like flying the room with examples, bad examples of

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guys who put their foot in their mouth in the past.
And this is where the preparation in New England was
different from any other place I played. There were constant
examples that Belichick would make using something that hit the
news cycle either years ago or recently, or things that
he could bring as a teaching point from a media
standpoint to our squad meetings with him, and some of

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those were marathon team meetings where we would be in there,
sometimes only thirty minutes, sometimes an hour and a half,
and part of it was to coach us up on
how to handle the different interactions we were going to
be having, the type of questions that we were going
to be fielding and avoiding saying the thing that was
going to trip you up in the in the media cycle.
Because he planed it this way. He was like, you know,

(01:27:01):
we're gonna go through it early this week, and he's like,
and then the media cycle repeats the end of this week,
and then it repeats over the weekend. He was like,
anything that stated over the weekend is going to come
up on Monday. There was like four or five, I
forget separate media cycles that he was talking about, and
if you get spun up in one of them, he
was like, it could ruin the party.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
So don't be that guy. Basically, and they're gonna bait you. Yeah,
so they're gonna bait you. There's plenty of members of
the media know how to bait you and spin things
and try to get you to say something that you
don't intend saying, so you have to be careful.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
But you never had that problem with the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Only me.

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
I covered almost all of those Patriots super bowls. Tom
Brady was boring, boring.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
Boring, boring, boring, boring by design, by design, absolutely, so
they have a way.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
But you know, this is Andy Reid sixth super Bowl
as a head coach, five with Kansas City one back
in his day with the Eagles, and Nick Sirianni's been
here before, so I think it's going to be a
very low key weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
I will see a coverage. I will say this though.
One thing that has changed the paradigm from a standpoint
of media coverage, and we've all experienced this now. A
lot of people listen to, for example, Jason and Travis
Kelsey's podcast, but players podcasting has changed the media landscape
for former players podcasting or having actual reputable shows on

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network television like Pat McAfee. You know he'll be on
site at the Super Bowl. There's plenty of examples of
players who have made the leap either post career or
during their career, who will be on media row at
the super Bowl site. And these are peers, these are friends.
It's easier to get tripped up to say the wrong
thing when you're more comfortable with somebody than when it's

(01:28:49):
like some you know, reporter who is foreign from your culture,
from your locker room. You haven't seen him. He's not
a beat writer, he's some national guy, or he's from
some low goal, you know, the Carolina Star Telegram coming
in and asking you a couple of questions about your teammates.
If they ask any question that's even potentially answered in

(01:29:12):
an inflammatory nature, you're not going to give them the goods.
You're prepared for that. But when you're sitting on a
couch during a long form conversation with somebody for an
hour plus, and it's a buddy of yours, somebody who
maybe you played college football with, you know, maybe it's
somebody who you know through your your circles in the NFL,
you have a lot of friends in different locker rooms,

(01:29:33):
and you're, you know, you're just trading stories, and then
all of a sudden you get caught off guard answering
a question you really shouldn't answer. That's what I'm curious
about over the next two weeks if any of the
players on the Chiefs or on the Eagles get caught
up in something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
As someone that was a veteran from the very beginning,
and I always kid my my buddy Chris mad Dog
Russo that we essentially started radio row Super Bowl twenty
five in Tampa. Giants were there, so Mike and the
Mad Dog were there over their second year together.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
And Sessa and Russo so they were there obviously to
cover the Giants.

Speaker 2 (01:30:09):
And we had started six ninety on the West coast
and they sent me and my producer, Chris Visser, just
the two of us, to Tampa and we're like, well,
where are you going to do the show?

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
And so.

Speaker 2 (01:30:21):
Visser says, well, I understand Mike and the Mad Dog.
Where are they going to be. They're going to be
at this hotel. They're gonna have a table there and
they're gonna have giant fans sort of sitting around. He says,
all right, we'll set up a table right next to it.
So if they if they if they get somebody over,
maybe we can.

Speaker 3 (01:30:38):
You know, we're always.

Speaker 2 (01:30:39):
Overplaying who we were obviously in the beginning like we're
la you know, we got everything.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
We're just overplaying it anyway. So that's what we did.
So we set up a table. I do.

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
I'll never get this.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
So I'm sitting at this table by myself as producers
running around trying to find anybody, you know, to come over.

Speaker 1 (01:30:56):
To talk to us at a hotel no less. And
there was this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Giants fan who was sitting there listening to Mike and
the Mad Dog. And he walks toward my table, right, yeah,
And I got the headset on and everything the old
head snip and I'm talking right and the guy looks
at me, and I'm looking up at him. I don't
say anything to him, and I had, you know, like
a pen and paper in front of me. He reaches across,

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grabs my pen and walked away.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
It was on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
I don't know if I thought I worked there or
you're like, dude, I'm actually doing a radio show here.
But to think about that, I remember the following year
we are in Minneapolis. Now, I think there were five
stations there, right, and so when I think of that
to where it is now, it's not even radio row anymore.
It's it's called media row because as you mentioned, it's

(01:31:46):
podcast a lot. There podcasts everywhere. But the you know,
the plethora of all these celebrities. They used to you know, parade.
Those days are gone. Well they don't do that anymore.
What's interesting extent that they used to. What's interesting is
is it has become a little fractured. Yeah, like you know,
really it's a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
Inside baseball to discuss from a media standpoint with what happens.
But I will I will say this from both the
player side of the Super Bowl, like being a part
of a Super Bowl team and visiting a Super Bowl
site and being you know, shuttled around and visiting these
various media events that we were required to be a

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part of, and then also being invited to things that
were you know, non Super Bowl sanctioned things that we
could go out and do while we're on site. That
was a very interesting slice of you know, of life
to see what it's like from that side of it.
But then, you know, kind of correspondingly, after my career
ended as a player and I began this broadcast journey,

(01:32:48):
going to the same thing, you know, in Houston, in Minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Our time in La together, our time in lainably only
three years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:32:56):
Done, Sorry it does seem longer. But but covering the
Super Bowl in LA for from that standpoint, it is
interesting to see the circus that that it is and
that it's become because you don't realize how many people
are waiting for the story to break. Yeah, like the story,
we don't know what it's gonna be. You don't know

(01:33:17):
who's gonna say the stupid thing or who's gonna give
you the little nugget that gets you know, gobbled up
by every single person waiting. But when I tell you,
there are literally thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people
waiting to break the story it is. I mean, so
any crumb that gets dropped, it'll get chewed up on.

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So that is the key point. That's what Andy Reid
is staying in front of his team in Kansas City.
That is what Nick Sirihanni is delivering in front of
his team in Philadelphia this week. They're saying, listen, don't
give him a crumb, don't give them a cent, don't
give them a whiff, because it's all they want.

Speaker 2 (01:33:56):
Every time I think about three years ago, so I
would have to live and pick up Rich who was
staying at his in laws house in Westwood.

Speaker 1 (01:34:06):
Yeah, at like four.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
O'clock in the morning, because they were doing the morning show,
right and then right right, I'm better drive all the
way to downtown LA, so I would, I would roll by.

Speaker 1 (01:34:17):
I didn't want to honk obviously, just hoping that Rich
was up, you know, ready to go.

Speaker 2 (01:34:24):
That was a process, all right, don't miss that, all right?
Coming up on the other side. All right, Patrick mahomes
place in history if he wins a third consecutive Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Where exactly does that take.

Speaker 2 (01:34:40):
Him on the all time list? We'll tell you. This
is Fox Football Sunday, Steve Hartman and Rich Harmburger. Here
Fox Football Sunday. We are live from the tire Raq
dot Com studios. I was watching replay on the NFL
on Network of the Super Bowl fifty seven.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Hopefully this game will be as entertaining as that.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Game was, as both quarterbacks played at a very high level. Obviously,
Jalen Hurts was really the big story of that Super Bowl,
outside of that one fatal mistake where he literally just
drops the ball, like the ball just slips out of
his hand, bounces right into the arms of the Chiefs
guy and he runs for a touchdown.

Speaker 3 (01:35:25):
That's the difference. Three point game.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:35:27):
And this is again you're like, wow, it's rig for
the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (01:35:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:35:30):
I mean, I don't think he purposely dropped that ball. Okay,
that's my guess. But hopefully everyone will play at a
high level in this game, just like they did two
years ago. As far as Patrick Mahomes is concerned, if
he wins this Super Bowl and does what has never
been done before in the Super Bowl era, winning three

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consecutive championships. I mean, technically back in the day, bart
Star won three in a row, but the first one
was before the Super Bowl, so he won the NFL
championship in nineteen sixty five. The Super Bowl came the
next year, and then he won the first two Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
So that's the last quarterback to win three straight NFL championships.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
But Richie, I know we've had a disagreement about this
when we talk about franchise quarterbacks because I can't put
any current quarterback in the company of Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
I'm sorry, I mean, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
It's not to say that Josh Allen's not a great quarterback.
Of Lamar Jackson's not a great quarterback. Of Joe Burrow's
not a great court These are all great quarterbacks. But
if you define Patrick Mahomes as a franchise quarterback, no
one else can be defined a franchise quarterback because his
record is so far and away the best, certainly of

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any current quarterback in the NFL, but as far as
all time rankings, and again he hasn't played a full
career yet, so we can't ultimately judge it his final
until he actually ends his career. But I can safely
say this, if they win the championship for a thirk

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and secutive year, he stands alone as the quarterback. Through
his first eight seasons in the NFL. Remember, his first
season was one game. He's been to the AFC Championship game.
Every single year he's been the starting quarterback. This is
his fifth Super Bowl and he wins four, including three

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in a row. The number one, Number one, that's where
Patrick Mahomes would rank.

Speaker 3 (01:37:43):
If they win this game on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
This is kind of all right, so we're defining things differently,
and that's okay. But the conversation around what a franchise
quarterback is, in my opinion, is more akin to like.
So like rectangles can be squares, but not all rectangles

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are squares, you know what I mean? Like by rule,
a square is special. It's different because you know you
have four right angles, all sides are equal, they're parallel,
just like a rectangle is. But it's a special type
of rectangle. So if we're going to say a franchise
quarterback has to be defined as such, Patrick Mahomes can
be included in that definition. But he's a special kind

(01:38:28):
of franchise quarterback. He fits all the rules of a
franchise quarterback. He's just doing it better than everyone else.
So in order to prove that anybody is at the
level of a Patrick Mahomes is a ridiculous endeavor because
you can't. He's different, he's special, he's in a category
unto itself. But to suggest that he's the only franchise

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quarterback I think falls on deaf years with most people, Steve,
because I would guess most people's estimation a franchise quarterback
is the type of quarterback who you could build a
franchise around, a special type of talent who you can
see a future that includes multiple playoff visits, an opportunity
to win a Super Bowl or compete against the best

(01:39:12):
team or teams in the NFL. And so a franchise
quarterback to me would be a Josh Allen, would be
a Joe Burrow, would be a Justin Herbert, a Trevor
Lawrence whose name has diminished in multiple capacities in that
conversation due to injury and circumstance, but when he was
first drafted he was included amongst that conversation. Agellen hurts

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even dare I say, because he's been to now two
Super Bowl visits, he's done a lot of winning over
the course of his career. A quarterback who you can
build a franchise around, in my opinion, is a franchise quarterback.
And there's about a handful of them in the NFL
that absolutely need to be in that discussion. And then
there's probably about anywhere between three and five more who

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you can make arguments.

Speaker 2 (01:40:01):
But again, if you're gonna say, all right, here are
the franchise quarterbacks, I mean, we're always talking about.

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
Jayde and Daniels.

Speaker 2 (01:40:07):
By the way, that was my one prediction that came true,
was my prediction of the Eagles blowing out the command.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Yeah you did. I mean I predict that. I thought
it was going to be a close game, a high
scoring game, but I thought the Commander's had a chance.
You did, not, you, Sae.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
I maintained that was going to be a one sided game.
And you know, and again, phenomenal rookie season. Jayde Daniels
is going to get some nice hardwaars the offensive Rookie
of the Year coming up on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:40:33):
Very exciting player. These are exciting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
I love watching Lamar Jackson play Jayden Daniels. I like
Josh Allen, I love Joe Burrow. I love these quarterbacks.
But again I can't put their names in the same
sentence with Patrick Mahomes. Again this stat that the Chiefs
have won an NFL record seventeen consecutive games just decided

(01:40:57):
by one score. So that was the last five games
of twenty twenty three, all eleven one score games in
twenty twenty four and now the AFC Championship. But seven
and t get second of one scoring in what did
the How do you do that? You have the quarterback,
we only quarterback. We have that level.

Speaker 1 (01:41:15):
We have a small generational gap here where we have
an apt example for comparison. Tom Brady during his generation, you,
in your argument, would be the only franchise quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
No, because he did lose at some point to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:33):
Like Peyton Manning.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Okay, who finally did breakthrough beat him and then won
a Super Bowl. But there's only other two quarterbacks right now.
So you're saying the Russell Wills Tea, Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 1 (01:41:43):
Yes, it's about winning a championship. I get it, But
the only franchise quarterback in the history of the NFL
is Patrick Mahomes. Then oh right now, okay, but but
so that's my point. So there was a point where
Tom Brady for two decades was appeared in what eleven
AFC Championship games. When he was with the New England Patriots,
he won six Super.

Speaker 2 (01:42:02):
Bowl There were other in the league, but there were
other quarterbacks that had won multiple Super Bowls.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
I mean Ben Roethlisberger won multiple Super Bowls.

Speaker 1 (01:42:11):
But Tom Brady was in nine.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
He's not a franchise quarters had won a Super Bowl.
Drew Brees had won a Super Bowl. Paid Manny had
won a Super Bowl. So the point was Eli Manny
had won a couple of Super Bowls a franchise quarterback.
How many quarterbacks currently have won Super Bowls? Matthew Stafford,
Russell Wilson, and Patrick Mahomes. I get these other quarterbacks

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have not won a Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:42:34):
I get the idea of the argument, but it does
kind of fall on deaf years because if you're telling
me you can't build a franchise around a guy like
Lamar Jacks Cam but if.

Speaker 2 (01:42:42):
You want to win a Super Bowls and that the
goal of every franchise.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
But yeah, but potential is the way we build teams.
Potentially Patrick Mahomes could win.

Speaker 3 (01:42:51):
Do you think that Josh Allen is ever going to
win a Super Bowl?

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yes? I think potentially he could win a super Bowl potentially. Yeah.
By the way, by the way, the same way I
feel that potentially this could be Patrick mahomes last Super Bowl. Okay,
lets likely, but potentially.

Speaker 2 (01:43:07):
Okay, because we're not we're not fortune teller, Steve, No,
let me ask well, I'm going to save a question
for you on the other side, because first we know,
we need to find out what is trending right now.
And here's monci hi hi.

Speaker 10 (01:43:24):
I am watching this flag football game, which you know
what's at least at least watching the the NFL Pro
Bowl games.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
At least I'm watching stars.

Speaker 7 (01:43:36):
Yeah, you know, saying like at least no I am,
because if I'm going to watch the NBA Slam Dunk contest.

Speaker 3 (01:43:41):
Here are many of them. Okay, So here's the deal.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
So the Pro Bowl rosters were announced, the original Pro
Bowl rosters. There were twenty five replacements, right, twenty five replacements.

Speaker 1 (01:43:54):
Drake may is in the Pro Bowl.

Speaker 6 (01:43:56):
Tyler Huntley is a Pro Bowler.

Speaker 3 (01:43:57):
Yeah, Tyler Helen is a Pro Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
And so twenty five replacements for a flag football game?
Why why do you have to make any replacements? It's
a flag for it's a really rough game. It's it's
because you've watched it.

Speaker 7 (01:44:11):
The ones that typically you know, decide to not do
that are are mad because of how their season ended
up pruptly. But you know, you get to see Jamar Chase,
you get to see Joe Burrow.

Speaker 6 (01:44:21):
You're not wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:44:22):
Probably the Russell Wilson gets to add a Pro Bowl
to his resume this year.

Speaker 6 (01:44:27):
I mean, you shouldn't count, right, It should be like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
See, that's the way I try to make my argument
with my friends on the committee. You look at Pro Bowls, right,
like Eli Manning four time Pro Bowler.

Speaker 1 (01:44:39):
Not really.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
He was actually selected to two Pro Bowls and then
got in as an alternate twice, which by the way,
means he finished no better than fourth in the voting
in his own conference. Yeah, I'm antsy Elon Manning, but no,
I love Eli Manning.

Speaker 4 (01:44:59):
KNA here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
I had a chance to share some time with Eli
Manning one on one. He is exactly the person that
he appears on TV. Oh yeah, exactly. He's a great,
great guy. I love Eli Manning on a personal level.
I'm not wild about his resume in terms of being
a first ballot Hall of Famer, which, as I reported earlier.

Speaker 3 (01:45:18):
Will not have.

Speaker 6 (01:45:19):
Will not have.

Speaker 1 (01:45:21):
I demand a recount. Yes, well, uh.

Speaker 7 (01:45:24):
Speaking of Paro Bowl to NBA All Star Game, Chris
Hanes tweeted that Chris Paul and Victor one Bam are
going to partner up and represent the Spurs in the
Skills Challenge at the All Star weekend in San Francisco.

Speaker 6 (01:45:37):
So I'm happy to see some actual.

Speaker 3 (01:45:39):
Names having to Lebron and Bronni in the skills competition.

Speaker 6 (01:45:42):
Lebron Lebron has ruined the All Star game. Okay, he
doesn't do anything, He just participates in the game. He
should have done the slam down.

Speaker 2 (01:45:48):
Contested against having him and his son. I think people
would have been curious, was he how to They would
have embarrassed himself, embarrassed Bronni what in terms of pairing
up for this competition.

Speaker 1 (01:46:01):
I would assume that the news was broken to him
over dinner that the NBA was hosting a skills competition,
and he's shocked and still processing the news.

Speaker 6 (01:46:11):
That's exactly what happened.

Speaker 7 (01:46:13):
It's exactly and that's how he found out about the
blockbuster trade at dinner, supposedly where Luka Dancic becomes a
Laker Anthony Davis becomes a Maverick. In case you've missed
some of the press conference today, here is Nico Harrison,
MAVs GM talking a little bit about how he kept
things close to the chest.

Speaker 8 (01:46:31):
We kept it between us. We had to, We had
to keep it tight. Jay Kidd didn't know about it.
But jk and I are aligned and we talk about
archetypes and we talk about the culture that we want
to create. So I know the type of players that
that he likes without actually talking to him. Hey, would
you like you know? So I know that, and JK
coached them when they won the championship, So I think

(01:46:53):
when you're aligned with your coach like that, I know
the type of players that he likes, and so I
felt good about it making sense to where we're trying
to go.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
Man, it is the most That is absolutely the most
ridiculous comment I've ever heard, especially with Jason Kids sitting
there saying, Yeah, I didn't really have to talk to
him because I sort of get him.

Speaker 6 (01:47:13):
Yeah, I know what he likes.

Speaker 1 (01:47:15):
I mean, Heim, he literally gave the thumb when he
was referencing j Kidd. He's literally thumbing. I like, and
then this idiot over here. I didn't tell him a
word about it. But he's cool. He's cool.

Speaker 6 (01:47:27):
Oh, let me tell you he's not cool.

Speaker 7 (01:47:28):
You can see it as we described teething looks absolutely still, Yeah,
poor Jason Kidd.

Speaker 6 (01:47:33):
One NBA game going on right now.

Speaker 7 (01:47:35):
The Bulls are beating the Pistons twenty nine to twenty five,
late in the first quarter, about to start. The Mavericks
we're playing against the Cavaliers, so we'll see how they
do today. In Men's college Hoops, number eighteen, Illinois came
back to defeed Ohio State eighty seven to seventy nine.
Right now number nineteen Memphis on top of Rice twenty
four to sixteen. Halfway through the first half, and Rory

(01:47:56):
McElroy is at the top of the leader board at
the Pebble Beach Pro Am. He's sixteen under part overall,
tied with Sepstraca.

Speaker 6 (01:48:04):
Back to you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:48:05):
Him on see thank you very very much. By the way,
we got Sam here Iowa. Sam is in the house.
He is addicted to women's collegiate basketball for obvious reasons
after the amazing success of Caitlin Clark, and Iowa looks
like they may pull this thing off.

Speaker 1 (01:48:24):
They are still two minutes and forty seconds here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
They have a nine point lead over fourth rank USC.
Iowa was unranked this year. But this is a game
after the game where they're gonna honor uh cal Gonner
in her number, and David Letterman is there, you know,
obviously a big Iowa guy, and so it's gonna be
a big ceremony. But yeah, they got off to an
incredible start in this game. Nineteen oh one s He

(01:48:48):
took the lead and then all of a sudden looking
back Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:48:52):
Well they're in pretty good shape right now.

Speaker 11 (01:48:53):
So yeah, I mean, well in twelve and a half
point dogs, I did not expect this. I did not
expect them to be competable.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
I'm stay not paying to me about my undefeated number
one rank UCLA bruins Man.

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Undefeated.

Speaker 11 (01:49:06):
I'm just one of everybody else who was just completely
ignoring UCLA and how good they are. They're undefeated. They
got Lauren Betts as their center. She just dominates, and
so they're gonna win the national championship.

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Be like yawn.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
The last time UCLA won the Ladies Championship was nineteen
seventy eight. My dear friend Ann Myers, and they are
her voted. Billy Moore was the great Hall of Fame coach.

Speaker 11 (01:49:26):
UCLA needs the fans to show up like they are
at Carver Hawky Arena today and it's a packed house
and uclely deserves those those crowds.

Speaker 2 (01:49:33):
Well, I mean, I agree with you on the out there.
I'm not going to get it because life's a little
different in Iowa.

Speaker 1 (01:49:39):
It is, Steve.

Speaker 11 (01:49:39):
I went to my first game at poly Pavilion to
take in Iowa, losing horribly to the UCLA.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
Men, and what did you think of did you pay
homage or the statue of John Wooden outside of Pauli.

Speaker 11 (01:49:50):
I loved my trip to Pauli. The game itself was
wretched if you were an IO fan in attendance, but
my first time there and it was it was great.

Speaker 1 (01:49:57):
I got free tickets and so meet you with feel
the vibe of John Wooden. I could, I could could.

Speaker 11 (01:50:03):
It was a poultrygeist, a floating above the air material.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Is the wooden statue? Man out of him?

Speaker 2 (01:50:08):
The wooden statue made of rubber. No, it's not rubber.
Wouldn't rubber. It's a statue like everything wooden. But it's
not a wooden statue. You said it's a wooden statue.
It is confusing. It is a little confusing. I remember
back in the days when Coach wouldn't he had he
had a seat at games and he was there quite frequently,

(01:50:30):
and he never said no to people like people obviously
would come up to you know, can I get an
autograph Coach Wooden?

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
He was like in his nineties at this point, and
he was patient. There was like a little line and
he would never say no.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
He was just why why did they never change the
name of it. It's Polly Pavilion wins in a like, Uh, well,
the Polly uh Wooden Arena.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
Polly was the one that paid for the original arena
under that's why he got his name on it. But
it's Wooden Court. By the way, it says guy named
it's called Nell and Wooden Court. Noell, of course his
late wife. So it's Nell and John Wooden Court. Same question,
what's the Wooden Court made of? Yeah, exactly, I haven't
lied to Okay, all right, this this whole quarterback thing

(01:51:13):
is driving.

Speaker 1 (01:51:14):
Me out, But that should be driving you nuts. It
should be very clear to you.

Speaker 2 (01:51:17):
That, okay, your standards on how I define a franchise quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Let me ask you this question though.

Speaker 2 (01:51:23):
Sure, okay, So I imagine there are only two other
active quarterbacks who have actually led their team to a
Super Bowl victory Russell Wilson, who, by the way, quick
side note, do not expect Pete Carroll to sign Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (01:51:36):
They didn't have the best relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:51:38):
Believe me, that was kind of unceremonious. How that split.
That's not happening. Russell Wilson is not going to be
a race. I think they're far more apt to sign
Jameis Winston than they are Russell Wilson at quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:51:50):
If they're going to go that direction, what about Flacco?

Speaker 2 (01:51:53):
He's the and that's not Flacco, but yeah, Russell Wilson,
and obviously have Matthew Stafford, who, by the way, is
another The Rams are hinting that they may not bring
Matthew Stafford back. He wants to play again, but he
doesn't have any guaranteed money in his current deal in
twenty twenty five, which obviously he would want it guaranteed.

Speaker 3 (01:52:12):
And the Rams are like, let me think about that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
We're gonna think about that one. Yeah, all right, but
let me ask you this, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:20):
If Jalen Hurts wins this game, if Jalen Hurts becomes
a Super Bowl winning quarterback, where does he stand with
the Lamar Jacksons, the Josh Allens, the Joe Burrows.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
Does he go.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Above those guys because he's now won a Super Bowl,
been to two Super Bowls, played very well in that
first game. He's going to obviously have to play well
in this game if they're going to stand a chance
against the Chiefs. Where exactly would he stand amongst current
quarterbacks In your opinion, he.

Speaker 1 (01:52:50):
Would be a top ten quarterback. Top ten, of course five. Well,
I mean, let's talk about the top five. Mahomes number
one with a bullet, Okay, then you have Alan Lamar Burrow.
Those are the next three names, and then after that,
I mean it would have to be either Hurts, Herbert Daniels.

(01:53:14):
I'm talking about just talent. I'm just talking about Okay,
now winning, I'm we want to talk about how.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Cat Justin Herbert, who has played horrific football. He just
had a four interception game in a playoff horrific. He
threw more interceptions in a playoff game than he did
the entire year.

Speaker 1 (01:53:31):
Did we watch the game? I did watch.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
A one interception was not his fault, the pig six
he overthrew, did he not?

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
Yeah, because he had his toe stepped on by by
his left tackle Rashawn Slater.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Look telling me you would not put Jalen Hurts ahead
of is Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 1 (01:53:53):
Some more talented quarterback than Justin Herbert. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
He has a better resume, he has a better record,
he has a better record, He's won more games.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Just been the two Super Bowls? How is Herbert in
the conversation Jalen Hurts a more talented quarterback than Justin
Herbert if.

Speaker 3 (01:54:09):
You were starting it, I mean like throwing a football.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
I mean throwing a football, I mean processing speed, I
mean winning games with his ability. You're telling me, if
you were starting a football team today and I gave
you the choice between starting it with Jalen Hurts or
Justin Herbert, you take Jalen Hurts over Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (01:54:25):
Herbert's stock is falling. I'm having a question. I would
take Jalen Hurts. He's had a better career.

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
I would not, I would not, I would take Justin.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
Know me, I've always been a Jalen I know you have.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
I'm saying this. I'm saying, since some Johnny come lately
on Jalen, this isn't. This isn't to tear down Jalen Hurts.
I'm just saying he's in the conversation in that next Okay,
let me have a name. Let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
If you were to have this deal on the table,
would you trade Jalen Hurts for.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Justin Herbert in a heartbeat?

Speaker 2 (01:54:56):
Yeah, in a heartbeat, okay, Justin Herbert, then as the
Eagles quarterback played like he has in the playoffs as
a Charger quarterback, you'll be okay with you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:06):
Take the risk. Justin Herbert can make throws the Jalen
Hurts can only dream of bingo and I I am
a big Jalen Hurts proved me wrong with his performance
on Sunday in the NFC Title Game.

Speaker 3 (01:55:18):
It also proved you wrong in the Super Bowl two
years ago.

Speaker 5 (01:55:20):
Well, no, two years ago, I thought he was the
best player on the field, and then ever since then
he's been okay.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
But right now that they're playing big games against so
if he wins the Super Bowl and he plays as
well as he did two years ago, maybe even walks
off with the Super Bowl MVP, you'd still make that.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Trade, buddy, Buddy, Yeah, okay, I you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
Know what I You imagine Justin Herbert with the talent
that Jalen Hurts has around him, like AJ Brown divine
offensive line. That offensive line been.

Speaker 1 (01:55:48):
The biggest problem for Justin Herbert his entire career. Is
his first round pick. They have first round picks all
across that front line. Their offensive one has been so
slater called I mean with injuries.

Speaker 3 (01:56:00):
And they haven't been playing. He had no center last week.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Well, yeah they were they that was one game that way,
the NFC Championship game, and they put up fifty five points. Yeah,
because they had a game with no center.

Speaker 5 (01:56:12):
Because watching game defense.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
I was about to say, they have a guy named
Sakwa Barkley riff almost one hundred and fifty yards.

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Remember, as all you guys are literally singing about the
Commanders like, oh, that's gonna.

Speaker 12 (01:56:20):
Be a tight Oh by the way, by the way,
Jena Daniels also, I would take him over Jail and
Hurts if we were having an open draft or a
trade conversation. I'll tell you right now Eagles were like, hey,
we're traded for Jada Daniels.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
I'd be like, you guys are genius.

Speaker 2 (01:56:35):
Well when when when Hurts is the NBA of the
Super Bowl and you're like, d you just want.

Speaker 5 (01:56:39):
To sight on the guy. At that point, I can't lose,
So that's fine with me.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
All right, all right, continue, We got lots you can see,
we're all worked up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
We're game ready. That's why we're Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:56:54):
Steve Harbin, Rich Rnberger Fox Football Sunday live from the
IRAQ dot Com studios. You know, every football season comes
to a close and it's just like.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
How did it happened so fast? I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
I mean it's always like we're right, we're all sitting
here for that first week of red zone radio, right yep.
And you know there's mine say, I remember her first
year of red zone radio. She's like that first half
hour of the first day of red Zone Radio, she
was like, Okay, this is this is way too much.

Speaker 1 (01:57:30):
It's not fair.

Speaker 3 (01:57:31):
But then, you know, like everything else, you slowed things
down and it becomes you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:37):
Get into a routine, get into a like all of us.
She was baptized in a fire.

Speaker 2 (01:57:41):
But I mean, it's just amazing year after year how
quickly the football season goes.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
As quick as it comes, it leaves us. It just
absolutely like a thief in the night, thief in the night.
And then so.

Speaker 2 (01:57:54):
As we turn the page, uh to our focus on basketball. Okay,
by the way, it's much easier for me to get
into college basketball when my UCLA Bruins irrelevant, they've now won.

Speaker 1 (01:58:05):
Five in a row. They're actually on a heater.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Yeah, so they're going to there, They're going to be
in the tournament. Now, just give me to the dam
in the Big ten tournament. Well, they'll be in the Big.

Speaker 11 (01:58:13):
Ten tournament and they'll be that and this not always
given these days, in the bottom three of the league,
you will not make.

Speaker 1 (01:58:19):
It, which is amazing that they are now the Bruins
historically part of the Big Ten. They are.

Speaker 3 (01:58:27):
I still haven't gotten used to that. It just seems weird,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:58:29):
Yeah, Michigan State coming back and I'm like, when do
we play Oregon?

Speaker 1 (01:58:32):
Oregon State watching and Washington State the back day.

Speaker 2 (01:58:36):
But this story that we obviously opened the show with
and is going to be the biggest story for several days,
especially now with some of the comments by the cham
of the Mavericks, who just unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
Honestly, if you missed the comments from Nico Harrison, the
general manager of the Dallas matt.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
While sitting next to Jason Kidd, the coach of the Map,
We'll play.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
All of them for you coming up here, because Steve,
it is it is. It is absolutely bananas. What we
heard from a front office, a member of the front
office with one of the thirty NBA teams actually uttered
into a microphone.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Well, the idea, the idea that he and Rob Polenka
had been in conversation for weeks. Nobody these, not one person,
not Lebron, not Jason Kidd.

Speaker 1 (01:59:27):
Nobody in the world.

Speaker 2 (01:59:31):
Was privy of this conversation ongoing. In Harrison's words, weeks. Yeah,
weeks between he and Rob Polinka, and we had to
keep it, decide to keep it under wraps. How ridiculous
is that comment? Well, we'll tell you on the other side, plus.

Speaker 1 (01:59:48):
More on the Big Game.

Speaker 3 (01:59:50):
This is Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
One week away from the Big Game? Big Game? Do
we have to say big Game? No? I don't know
how that works. No, No, No, as long as we're
not using it as in an advertising capacity, we'll get
call it super Bowl fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
We will call it super Bowl fifty to fifty nine.

Speaker 1 (02:00:15):
Yeah, fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (02:00:16):
I actually.

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
I did not watch what we now call the first
Super Bowl, but I did watch what they now call
the second Super Bowl, was then the AFL NFL Championship Game.
The actual name Super Bowl did not happen until Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
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Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
So we obviously we our focus is football here with
a big game coming up, and if you don't know,
next Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday, we are actually going to
have an extended show.

Speaker 3 (02:01:09):
We do this every year on Super Bowl Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
We will do five hours and basically get you ready
all the way up until right before the pregame into kickoffs.
So all the last second details, every possible breakdown of
the game between the Chiefs and the Eagles, we will
have it covered, last second information, anything you need to
know because we know this. We know that people are

(02:01:35):
making prop bets on Super Bowls. There's no event that
has more bets laid on it than the Super Bowl
year after year after year after year after year. I
know you with your show, you're going to be doing that.
But on our show, we're going to have all the
latest prop bets and everything else. So next Sunday, absolutely

(02:01:55):
be with us here on Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 1 (02:02:00):
Yeah, we will be your last voices leading up to
the game. So if there's any and I mean any
late breaking news will cover it. If there's any prop
bets that you need to pay attention to. We have
people on the ground, Oh my gosh, yeah, we have
tons of people on the ground. So many people on
the ground now, I mean they love the ground and
they're there on it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:20):
So that'll be next Sunday, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:22):
In the meantime, as we woke up this morning, nobody
was talking about football. No, no, the only story that
anybody's been talking about, and rightfully so, because it was
a history making trade. Never in the history of the
NBA had two players coming off all NBA seasons had

(02:02:44):
been traded for each other mid season the next year.

Speaker 1 (02:02:48):
It never happened before.

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
But I have me yesterday as Luka Doncic and Anthony
Davis exchange uniforms. But it wasn't so much the trade,
which was shocking enough. It's all how what down, Like
not a hint of any talk about any buzz that
Luca doncs was on the trade block, that only Sham's
knew about it, Like he's the only guy with the

(02:03:13):
hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of NBA insiders, only.

Speaker 6 (02:03:16):
One in the world world.

Speaker 1 (02:03:20):
Seem to have the insight on that deal. Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:03:23):
And that the only two people that actually knew anything
was going on on the entire planet apparently were the
gms of these teams. That's right, not the coaches, not
the players. No nobody else in the.

Speaker 3 (02:03:39):
World knew except these two gms.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Well, and you know what's fascinating, And the Lakers have
released their first public commentary about this, and we could
read that in a little bit. Here is we've only
so far heard in person from one side of this.
If you are going to believe, which if you're you're
reading chapter and verse from the Gospel of Nico Harrison,

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if you're going to believe that only two people on
planet Earth knew that there was a potentiality of Luka
Doncic being traded to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony
Davis in return. Well, here is one of the two
voices who were the only two potentially privy to the
earliest of these conversations, Nico Harrison, the general manager of

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your Dallas Mavericks.

Speaker 8 (02:04:30):
Trades don't happen at the smallest level without stuff getting out,
and Rob and I were able to have, you know,
really intense conversations over the course of you know, three
or four weeks. That started out as a coffee that
you know, it was more Hey, would you ever?

Speaker 7 (02:04:47):
I don't know?

Speaker 8 (02:04:48):
Would I let me think of?

Speaker 10 (02:04:49):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:04:49):
And then it built up on that, and you know,
we we kept it between us. We had to, we
had to keep it tight. Jay Kidd didn't know about it.
But Jake Kid and I are aligned and we talk
about archetypes and we talk about the culture that we
want to create. So I know the type of players
that that he likes without actually talking to him. Hey
would you like?

Speaker 2 (02:05:10):
You know?

Speaker 8 (02:05:10):
So I know that and JK coached them when they
won a championship. So so I think when you're aligned
with your coach like that, I know the type of
players that he likes, and so I felt good about
it making sense to where we're trying to go.

Speaker 2 (02:05:26):
My followuped him is, Okay, you you know the kind
of players that your coach likes.

Speaker 3 (02:05:30):
Does that mean he didn't like Doncic?

Speaker 2 (02:05:34):
I mean, you know who he likes, right, So you're
sure that he likes Anthony Davis better than Luka Doncic,
I mean that would be an obvious follow up because
you just said I know who he likes. By the way,
Headline USA Today, Jason Kidd looks absolutely baffled as Nico

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Harrison explained to Luka Doncic strait and that is if
you see the visual, he's just like what happened here.

Speaker 1 (02:06:06):
So let's uh, let's hear more. Yes, and this is
from Nico Harrison, the general manager of the Dallas Mavericks,
explaining this trade further.

Speaker 11 (02:06:17):
Did you have any indication from him or his representation
that he was going to opt out or not take
the extension or anything like that.

Speaker 8 (02:06:26):
No, not at all, Not at all, nothing nothing verbally
that would It would leave me to believe that.

Speaker 4 (02:06:32):
Why would the super messpees have pull decision on your end?

Speaker 8 (02:06:36):
Oh no, it's it's not a matter of it being
a difficult decision. It's a matter of, you know, once
you put that out there, they accept or they don't.
And at that point you're, you know, you kind of
have you're on the clock again.

Speaker 2 (02:06:47):
My father would why would you why were you doing
this without telling your coach?

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
Why why would you keep the head coach out of
the loop?

Speaker 2 (02:06:57):
When you are trading away your twenty five, your old superstar,
why would you not want him.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
To know? My question would be, are you certain? Are
you certain that the only two people who knew that
this trade could potentially happen were you and Rob Polinka?
Or were there any other voices who helped the two
of you get to the bottom of whether or not

(02:07:27):
this was a good trade, whether or not this was
the right trade. You're telling me it was just you
and Rob, well two opinions. In arguably the biggest trade
in NBA history. You're telling us that only this would
be my follow up. You're telling us that only two
people we're in on this conversation.

Speaker 2 (02:07:46):
Are you sure, Nico Well, think about where Nico Harrison
has put Rob Polinka. So, now that Harrison has said
we were the only two people involved, now Polenka's got
to answer questions like so, according to Niko Harrison, you
were the only two people involved. Why did you keep
this from JJ Reddick, your head coach. Why did you

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keep this from Lebron James? Why did you decide to
not tell anybody? Because that's what Nico Harrison said, is
that you two did this with no one else knowledgeable
and so Polenka is going to have to answer those
questions based on the comments by Nico Harrison.

Speaker 13 (02:08:25):
Oh man, I'll tell you this is and by the way,
if Polinka says, well, that's not exactly the way it
went down, this is one of one of the like, okay,
so here's the problem.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
This what I do believe that more people knew that
this was going to happen. That's safe to say. There's
no question in my mind that Luca was in on it.
There's no doubt in my mind that Lebron was in
on it. There's no doubt in my mind that Anthony
Davis may have even heard inklings of it potentially but
probably was guarded from it since his representation also represents

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Lebron James. And where does the loyalty lie. Don't know,
maybe with Lebron James since Rich Paul is his lifetime friend.
But okay, let's just say that it was a wider
circle of people. This is the best you could come
up with. If this really was weeks in the making.
This is the best excuse as to why this was
going This trade was consummated. This is going to go

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down for Dallas fans, as one of the biggest snow
jobs that has ever occurred in the history of the league.
They got waxed, they got dragged, they got jobbed. This
is awful. Dallas fans are literally showing up to American
Airlines Arena with a coffin and they're preaching about the

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death of the Dallas Mavericks. This is a funeral. It
truly is okay, And hey Davis, to put this in terms,
you know, for people who don't understand the gravity of this,
maybe you're more of a football fan, maybe you're more
of a baseball fan, but in food terms, because we
all eat food, this would be like being offered a
double double animal style with French fries in a shake.

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That's what the Lakers got. The Dallas Mavericks just got
a bruised peach in two heads of romaine lettuce.

Speaker 2 (02:10:11):
Well, and as bo said earlier, the Nets got ten
first round picks for a thirty four year old Kevin Durant,
ten players and seconds, ten first round picks, and the
Mavericks get one first round pick for a twenty five
year old Lukadantik.

Speaker 5 (02:10:30):
Guys, if it makes the Mavericks feel any better, they're
only losing by thirty five right now of the Caps.

Speaker 1 (02:10:34):
Okay, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (02:10:40):
And again where is the commissioner?

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
This is.

Speaker 2 (02:10:46):
It's in and in some respects it's great because it ensures,
assuming Lukadantis can stay in shape, the future of the
Lakers beyond Lebron James. That's that's the good news. But
it doesn't answer the question about the future of the
Dallas Mavericks. And that is a legit question. And you

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mentioned with Addelson taking over as principal owner of the
Mavericks from Mark Cuban with his ties to Las Vegas,
what is going on right now?

Speaker 3 (02:11:16):
Commissioner, the commissioner.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
The commissioner is busy trying to shorten NBA games from
twelve minute corners to ten minute corners. That's what he's
busy with.

Speaker 4 (02:11:26):
Do you hear?

Speaker 1 (02:11:27):
Honestly, he's a busy eye, because that's true. That's two
whole minutes you're trying to shave off of each quarter.
That's great.

Speaker 2 (02:11:33):
Hard when when you're reaching for gimmicks and everything else.

Speaker 1 (02:11:36):
And okay, so we have from a reputable source and
we should do this on the other side, Okay, I'll
just say it. An NBA insider who says that he
knows why this trade was consummating.

Speaker 3 (02:11:48):
All right, I want to hear that as we continue
on this.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
It's Fox Football Sunday, Steve, Steve Harbin, and rich Omberger
Here Fox Football Sunday. We're live from the Tyraq dot
Com studios. All right, So, in the midst of all
of our Super Bowl coverage, yes, we're also talking about
the story in sports, that unbelievable trade between the MAVs
and the Lakers involving Anthony Davis and Luka Doncic.

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
Nico Harrison.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
You heard from him, the general manager of the Mavericks,
who said that literally weeks, for weeks, he and Rob
Polink at the GM of the Lakers, had spoken in
total privacy with nobody else on the planet aware of
what they were talking about in terms of this blockbuster deal.
As Jason Kidd, the coach of the Mavericks, sitting right

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next to him, looked absolutely as people said, baffled by
what Nico Harrison was saying that yes, I couldn't. I
didn't even tell him because well, I just know what
he thinks. I know who he likes. I mean, he
didn't like Luka Dante. I don't know what do you
mean by that, But now you say rich you have
somebody in me. Because this is now an under full investigation,

(02:13:01):
how this deal went down well.

Speaker 1 (02:13:03):
And also why? I think that is going to be
the question that's most often asked. Why did this happen?
What was the reason that Luka Doncic was so unpalatable
for the Dallas Mavericks to have within their building that
they were going to ship off an all NBA twenty
five year old for essentially peanuts. And then also on

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the Lakers side, what's going on with Ad? Why were
the Lakers eager or Rob Polinka? I guess who is
named as the only other co conspirator here in this
trade so eager to ship off Ad? Well. NBA insider
Bill Ryder with CBS Sports had some insights on how
the Lakers got to this point.

Speaker 9 (02:13:44):
Last year, there was talk within the Lakers organization that
Lebron James had grown a little frustrated with Anthony Davis.
It wasn't that necessary Ad was going to be traded.
We obviously didn't report it on CBS Sports. It was just, hey,
there's something to keep an eye on. Lebron is frustrated
with AD, and he doesn't think that it's working.

Speaker 2 (02:14:02):
Okay, but that was in the intent when they gave
Anthony Davis' last contract extension.

Speaker 3 (02:14:07):
The idea of AD when he came.

Speaker 2 (02:14:09):
To the Lakers was, obviously, we want you to help
Lebron win a championship. But he did immediately that first year,
and then we will build the future around Anthony Davis
once Lebron steps down. At the time, did the Lakers
maybe think that Lebron would still be playing at this
level at age forty in his twenty second year. Maybe not,

(02:14:31):
but that's where we are right now. I'm more curious. Look,
I want to hear from Lebron. Oh yeah, well you have.

Speaker 1 (02:14:39):
In fact, he quote tweeted this little clip from CBS Sports.
It now hows close to thirty million views thanks to
Lebron James. He wrote you f and lyar on his
official Twitter account. It's the very top of his Twitter account.
That was about, you know, ten fifteen hours ago whatever
it is. Very shortly after this news broke of the trade,

(02:15:02):
and Bill Ryder went on CBS Sports and said what
he said as an NBA insider, that he has heard
grumblings that Lebron is upset with Anthony Davis that he's
tired of the act that he wanted to move on
from Davis. So Lebron James is protecting his reputation here
because he's being implicated he's one of the reasons for
this trade.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
I understand why he's getting defensive about that, but at
some point he's going to have to answer questions like,
are you upset that this organization made this trade in
the middle of a season? By the way, twenty eight
to nineteen very much in the conversation, right, It's not like,
you know, some.

Speaker 3 (02:15:38):
Kind of year where you're thirteen and thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:15:40):
They're twenty eight to nineteen, comfortably now in the top
six in the Western Conference, middle of the season, when
everyone was openly talking about coming up to the tread
line trade deadline.

Speaker 3 (02:15:51):
You know, we can we get the.

Speaker 1 (02:15:52):
Big guy out of Utah?

Speaker 2 (02:15:53):
You know, can we add a big you know, so
that we can move ad into his natural four position
instead of playing the five. Are you you upset at
the organization now that you would at least Nico Harrison
is saying, yeah, nobody knew about this. Are you upset
that they would trade away Anthony Davis? Without you knowing
about it. See, that's the way I want the question

(02:16:13):
asked that way. Would I would frame the question this way, Steve.
I would want somebody with the audacity to ask Lebron
James this question this way. You're telling me, arguably the
greatest player of all time playing in the biggest market
or one of the biggest markets in all professional sports,

(02:16:35):
wasn't made aware that the number two star on your
roster is being traded away to to Dallas and that
you guys are you guys were inheriting another All NBA player,
Like you're telling me that nobody the Lakers did this
over your head, Lebron.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
Is that what you're saying, Hey, I mean, if.

Speaker 2 (02:16:55):
Rob Polanka made this deal without consulting with you or
any of your pe I mean, or the organization.

Speaker 1 (02:17:02):
You're telling me the genie busts didn't know about the
genie didn't know Rob didn't talk to you, nobody's Lebron
two gms.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
In the dead of the shooting that you know what,
and then making a deal without ownership, coaches, players.

Speaker 1 (02:17:18):
Anybody else knowing about it. I mean, ask him that
question that way.

Speaker 2 (02:17:22):
Because that's what Nico Harrison said, because if he is.

Speaker 1 (02:17:25):
Responding to quote tweeting a knee jerk reaction on Twitter,
quote tweeting Bill Riders saying that Lebron James and Anthony
Davis had friction and that's the reason why Lebron was
comfortable shipping him off to Dallas. If he's so sensitive
that he's willing to quote tweet an NBA insider suggesting
that he had something to do with this, do you

(02:17:45):
really think his ego could withstand somebody saying that Rob
Polinka big boyd you here? Is that what you're leading
us to believe that you have so little control Lebron
in Los Angeles? You have so little roster control Lebron
over the Lakers, even though you are arguably the greatest
basketball player we've ever lived, whose best friend from childhood

(02:18:08):
is the CEO of one of the biggest agencies in
all of professional sports. You were one of the most
well connected people on the planet, and you didn't know
that Luca was coming to LA in trade for Anthony Davis.
Is that really what you want us to believe? That's
what you want me to write in ink on paper,

(02:18:30):
that you, Lebron didn't know that you were completely left
out of the circle of trust here, Lebron James. That's
what you want us to believe. Okay, okay, if that
much is happening unbeknownst to you, Lebron, I guess we
just have to believe it, right, I guess again, that's

(02:18:56):
what you want us to believe.

Speaker 2 (02:18:58):
I'm looking at on this much bigger scale. I'm just
looking at the other twenty eight teams in the NBA, because, again,
if Luka Doncic was on the market, if you're the Knicks,
if you're any other team in the league, how were
we not in on the idea? I mean, in other words,

(02:19:23):
so now if we want to make a deal with
another team and not include anybody else, we got the
green light if we want to nobody if on an
open market, imagine the whole that the Mavericks would have
gotten for Luka Doncic.

Speaker 1 (02:19:41):
It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
It's our twenty five year old coming up five straight
years of being first team All NBA on an open market,
saying that every team is any team who I mean again,
you're talking ten to fifteen number one future picks. You're
talking about frontline player again, Think of the whole all
that when the when the when the Clippers had to

(02:20:03):
get Paul George in order to sign Kawhi Leonard, that
was the deal, right, you want me?

Speaker 3 (02:20:07):
You got to get Paul George. Look at the hall
ok S got.

Speaker 2 (02:20:10):
It was out race seven first round plicks and Shay
Gilgers Durant it was ten, ten first round picks.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
You're telling me on an open market, twenty five years old,
prime of his career, all NBA Luka Doncic wouldn't have
beat out Duran's deal.

Speaker 2 (02:20:27):
And why was the NBA so quick to approve this trade?
Why wait a second? Really just like that?

Speaker 1 (02:20:34):
Okay, done? It doesn't mean it doesn't make sense. I
mean it doesn't make sense. Okay again, even even if
the Dallas Mavericks win a championship this upcoming season or
this season, right you know, the twenty four to twenty
five season, they hoist Selario Brian Trophy, it still doesn't
make any sense. It still is a lopsided trade.

Speaker 5 (02:20:55):
Steve, actually have the reason why the trade was approved.
It's because it fit within the salary cap and both
teams agree to it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:03):
Again there again, open and shutcase. Thank you both, You're welcome.
That's it and let me throw I'll tie the bow
on the present, and Lebron didn't know about it. And
Lebron didn't know about it. He was at a family
dinner because Lebron James, when he's sitting down for pasta
froud diavallo, he doesn't check Twitter. He's not answering text messages.

(02:21:28):
James when he's sitting down for Crispy Calamari at the
Lalive Garden, he's not. He's not communicating with Rob Pulika.
Catch it up with the fan.

Speaker 5 (02:21:39):
They do that thing where you put your phone upside
down that's on the table, and whoever picks up their
phone first has to pay for it.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
They leave them in their Gucci bags at the store,
by the way, not bringing them to the dinner table.

Speaker 14 (02:21:49):
That's where we break bread. This is the James gang.
We sit down and when we have our mozzarella sticks,
we will not be interfered with. Even if it is
it's Nico Harrison, give me a break. I got a
bridge to sell you too.

Speaker 1 (02:22:06):
If you want to believe that it's in Brooklyn, it's
in good shape, by the way.

Speaker 2 (02:22:11):
Bill Ryder, who it now obviously has been called an
EFN liar by Lebron James. I've known Bill a long time.
Bill really cut his chops early in his career. He
covered Lebron's entire rookies first year with the Miami Heat.
So it's not like he doesn't know Lebron or vice versa.
They know each other very well. So Bill Ryder, there

(02:22:35):
there's a connection there that goes way back with him
and Lebron. So there's not It's not like he would
just make something up like that. He just would not
do that when it pertains to Lebron James. And by
the way, what did he All he reported was is
that I'd heard some grumblings about some frustration about Lebron

(02:22:57):
and AD.

Speaker 1 (02:22:58):
I don't think that that's out of line.

Speaker 5 (02:23:00):
You think Lebron told him to put that out there
so he could call him a liar and get some.

Speaker 1 (02:23:05):
I have no idea. By the way, and Bill Ryder's
not backing down. One hour ago, he doubled down, he
said on hearing Lebron in the past, a little frustrated
with AD. Been talking about this since at least twenty
twenty three. It is like Bronni being drafted by the Lakers,
Erredick hired as a head coach. Just another important piece
of context to try and figure out what lebron knew

(02:23:26):
or didn't about the trade.

Speaker 5 (02:23:28):
What a great name, by the way, Bill Ryder.

Speaker 1 (02:23:30):
Yeah, it's a solid name.

Speaker 5 (02:23:32):
If he was Steve Talker in there.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
All right, let's find out what is trending right now
as we welcome back Moncie.

Speaker 7 (02:23:40):
I have been looking at Luka Doncic's Instagram just to see,
you know, if he posts something, because he still has
his profile picture with.

Speaker 6 (02:23:48):
The MAVs jersey and he no action yet.

Speaker 7 (02:23:52):
Bleacher Report just tweeted that he texts the MAVs group
text message that they have thanks for everything.

Speaker 6 (02:24:02):
Now, I don't know if I believe it, because I
don't believe the internet anymore.

Speaker 7 (02:24:05):
Let me tell you guys what because yesterday during my
show is Steve Hartman. I was at fan fest all
day yesterday before I came in.

Speaker 6 (02:24:14):
I was exhausted when I.

Speaker 1 (02:24:15):
Got here, Dodgers Fanty.

Speaker 7 (02:24:17):
I was at Dodgers fan Fest all day and our
producer Patrick is like, hey, you want to bring back
Who's your daddy?

Speaker 12 (02:24:24):
Now?

Speaker 7 (02:24:24):
That the season to see and if you if you
get to, if you get it right over him, you're
his daddy.

Speaker 6 (02:24:30):
So who's your dad. It's typically he's the daddy. He's
typically on my phone.

Speaker 7 (02:24:37):
Once he sent me that, I was so busy, and
I was like, okay, Baseball, fastest player to reach two
thousand hits?

Speaker 3 (02:24:42):
Your games to play to get to two thousand hits.

Speaker 1 (02:24:45):
Well, know all I.

Speaker 7 (02:24:46):
Searched was fastest player to reach two thousand hits, and
I just did it right now, right, This new AI
generated answer gave me an answer that was not exactly correct,
and I did not have time to actually dive in
and look.

Speaker 6 (02:25:02):
But the AI answer right here AI Overview.

Speaker 7 (02:25:04):
Josel Tuba of the Astros became the fastest player in
Major League history to reach two thousand hits on August twenty,
August nineteen, twenty twenty three, achieving the milestone in one thousand,
six hundred and thirty one games.

Speaker 6 (02:25:13):
Literally I'm looking at it right now. No, that's not actually.

Speaker 2 (02:25:17):
Right right, So I guess immediately she said, well she
has the top three and I said, well, one of
them I know is Intro.

Speaker 3 (02:25:24):
She goes, no, he's not on the list.

Speaker 2 (02:25:25):
I'm like what and so, so, as it turns out,
it wasn't the fastest in terms of games play to
get to just two thousand hits at also two hundred
home runs and two hundred stolen base.

Speaker 1 (02:25:36):
All of that was para Oh god, you didn't tell.

Speaker 6 (02:25:39):
Me, that's the line.

Speaker 7 (02:25:40):
I'm looking at it, and so my fault for not
going further into it.

Speaker 6 (02:25:45):
But at that point I trusted the internet.

Speaker 2 (02:25:46):
Yeah, oh no, no, no, no, I I was throwing I
guesses and like she's like no, no, and I'm like.

Speaker 7 (02:25:52):
What and so yeah, so I did not ask the
proper question because the inner I'm looking.

Speaker 6 (02:25:57):
At it right now, I'm so frustrated. So I'm not.

Speaker 1 (02:25:59):
So you're not my daddy.

Speaker 5 (02:26:00):
I'm not I'm not your daddy. Yeah, just plaint Patrick.

Speaker 6 (02:26:04):
Well that's also what.

Speaker 10 (02:26:07):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (02:26:08):
I agree that maybe he should have got but I
literally cannot. I'm looking at this Internet right now, and
so I'm so mad because literally that's what I searched.

Speaker 1 (02:26:14):
So anyway, I was daddy, but now I can't.

Speaker 5 (02:26:18):
You can't.

Speaker 6 (02:26:18):
You're still the daddy. You're still the daddy. But the
point is, don't trust the Internet. That is the whole
point in all of this.

Speaker 1 (02:26:24):
Trust the Internet.

Speaker 7 (02:26:26):
There are great videos of the protests happening at American
Airlines Arena Stadium where the MAVs club.

Speaker 1 (02:26:33):
I thought you were about to say, I vis wearing
my brain with don't trust the internet, but there are
great videos of cats.

Speaker 7 (02:26:41):
But there's like a protest going on in Dallas and
people somebody both sent me a video of these guys
carrying a coffin, like dropping it off there on the steps.
Fire Nico sell the team like, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:26:56):
Open revolt in Dallas right now.

Speaker 7 (02:26:58):
Absolutely, And the Cavaliers, who are currently playing the Mavericks
are like crushing them. They're headed to halftime one minute
to go. Cavaliers up eighty eight, god to forty six.

Speaker 1 (02:27:13):
Eight.

Speaker 7 (02:27:14):
Oh, you were headed to halftime just as you guys
know this a whole nother half, all right.

Speaker 6 (02:27:18):
The Pistons are beating the Bulls seventy two sixty eight.

Speaker 7 (02:27:20):
Halfway through the third James Harden has seventeen points and
the Clippers and Raptors are tied at sixty one.

Speaker 6 (02:27:26):
They're also headed to halftime as we speak.

Speaker 7 (02:27:28):
In men's college hoops number nineteen, Memphis on top of
Rice sixty to fifty nine, ten minutes to go in
the game, and Rory McElroy is sitting alone at the
top of the leader board at the Pebble Beach Pro
Am eighteen under part overall, Lucas Glover Shane Lowry are
now two shots back.

Speaker 2 (02:27:44):
Okay, Oh, goat to you guys. So, by the way,
mine say, I'm looking at this. By the way, CALVS
just scored again ninety one ninety one.

Speaker 1 (02:27:51):
Points of the first half.

Speaker 2 (02:27:52):
Okay, the first quarter score was fifty to nineteen. Yeah,
that was the first quarter. Out score him forty one
to twenty seven in the second quarter.

Speaker 6 (02:28:02):
Uh ninety one.

Speaker 2 (02:28:03):
Who is playing in this moment is not playing? He's
not playing. Klay Thompson.

Speaker 5 (02:28:10):
Clay Thompson's a minus twenty two in this game.

Speaker 1 (02:28:12):
Oh my god, how about this.

Speaker 2 (02:28:14):
He's a minus twenty two and he's only played eleven minutes.

Speaker 3 (02:28:17):
Yeah, it's like that possible, Except.

Speaker 2 (02:28:19):
Then I look at exam who is played get this
fourteen minutes and he's a minus thirty three.

Speaker 1 (02:28:25):
Oh my lord.

Speaker 2 (02:28:26):
Rosper is a minus thirty five and he's playing twenty minutes.

Speaker 5 (02:28:30):
I've never heard of that name. Olivier Maxon's Prosper.

Speaker 1 (02:28:33):
I don't know. Okay, Dallas should have canceled and said
it's a snow deck.

Speaker 6 (02:28:36):
It is a snow deck.

Speaker 2 (02:28:38):
You want to hear on the flip side, Donovan Mitchell
has played seventeen minutes. He's a plus forty five. Oh
my god, in seventeen minutes. Like, okay, this is a
nightmare for the NBA. In fact, I'm looking at another
headline here that says, this confusion around the league is
quite high after this trade, like what happen here?

Speaker 3 (02:29:01):
And at some point the commissioners.

Speaker 2 (02:29:03):
In hiding right now. Oh, there's no doubt he is
an absolute hiding. But there there are a lot of
people in the NBA that one answers on exactly what
just happened.

Speaker 1 (02:29:13):
If you are how to dippen one of the other
twenty eight owners not involved in this trade, you're probably,
I mean on hold with the Commissioner's office. The league
office is hold, and I mean because everybody else is
calling too, and the question is, what the hell just happened?
Like I need an answer because I thought that we

(02:29:34):
were all competing with each other, right exactly, that this
was a league where we all had an opportunity with
the lottery draft. And you know, I listen, we really
there's cap salaries in their salary, you know, all this stuff, right,
we put in all these things to make this a
competitive league with great parody. So could you explain to me?

(02:29:55):
And yes, I'll wait on hold, but could you explain
to me how the Lakers just got Luka Doncic and
they traded old groceries to the Dallas Mavericks one first pick?

Speaker 4 (02:30:09):
What team?

Speaker 5 (02:30:10):
I'm so tired of the picks? Man, picks are great,
but you have to do something with them eventually.

Speaker 1 (02:30:15):
Yeah, so like, but still they're they're they're valuable.

Speaker 5 (02:30:18):
So you think that you think that the Nets are
going to use all those picks that they got for
Katie eventually because there's not enough roster space for that.

Speaker 1 (02:30:25):
And they won't, but they will use them. What capital
to trade for me? Maybe?

Speaker 5 (02:30:30):
I mean the thunder have had picks forever and they
haven't traded for anybody of note, So let's talk about them.
What player are they going to get that's better than
Anthony Davis?

Speaker 1 (02:30:38):
Right now? I get where you're paying.

Speaker 5 (02:30:43):
Who is actually going to trade a player of Adis caliber?

Speaker 1 (02:30:45):
I get it, But I'm saying even with a d
So say, like, let's say all things considered, the trade
is the exact same in terms of the people involved,
Mark Keith Morris, look at Dogs eighty. The whole thing
is all the same. The Dallas Mavericks still should have
gotten as.

Speaker 5 (02:31:06):
Harrison's a bad GM that didn't do his job.

Speaker 2 (02:31:11):
Harrison is a pun in this thing. We'll take this clear.
Nico Harrison is not calling the shots.

Speaker 5 (02:31:17):
Did you guys hear about his Nike presentation?

Speaker 1 (02:31:20):
Was it good?

Speaker 5 (02:31:20):
Uh? Basically he admitted to being the sole reason that
Nike didn't sign Steph Curry nice because he called him
Seth And the presentation was clearly meant for Kevin Durant
Oh no, and they wouldn't give him a He wouldn't
give him a signature shoe. Nico Harrison was in charge
of that.

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this tumultuous Sunday one week away from Super Bowl fifty nine.

Speaker 3 (02:31:57):
This is Fox Football Sunday.

Speaker 2 (02:32:01):
Steve Harbin or rich Ormburger Fox Football Sunday. We're alive
from the ti iraq dot com studios. I want to
hank our crew today. She can always be my daddy.
I will trade regarding Oh that's uh well, now we
sort of caught her in a private conversation there.

Speaker 1 (02:32:22):
That would be Monsey Belania's.

Speaker 3 (02:32:25):
Sam, who's here and wanted to hear what.

Speaker 2 (02:32:30):
I wasn't talking to her. I was just acknowledging her Sam.
Sam has apparently forgotten. Sam has run the board for
hundreds and hundreds of shows of mine over the years,
but it's been a while, and so he is now
he's really.

Speaker 1 (02:32:42):
Excited about that. Iowa, He's delirious. Did you watch you have?

Speaker 2 (02:32:46):
They had the postgame ceremony to give Caitlin Clark a
retired Jersey.

Speaker 1 (02:32:51):
Did they do that?

Speaker 11 (02:32:52):
They didn't televise it, but it was immediately after there.

Speaker 3 (02:32:56):
I even watched that game. I don't know it was.

Speaker 1 (02:32:59):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (02:32:59):
They went to something else, but I am distracted and
overstimulated from that win and not the Luca News.

Speaker 1 (02:33:06):
I'm sorry, Well, I'm sort of with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (02:33:08):
But at least now because it's not so much the trade,
I'm more curious about the process and everything else on
the process.

Speaker 3 (02:33:14):
But again, if you are to trust that process, if
you are.

Speaker 2 (02:33:17):
To broadcast a game in which Kaylen Clark, who's the
only woman that anyone really wants to watch on TV,
and the idea is she's going to be honored after
the game is producing that game, wouldn't you think that
that would be wise to carry that part of it,
even if it's after the game.

Speaker 4 (02:33:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 11 (02:33:35):
Probably, Yeah, they could. I mean they went to something else,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:33:38):
No disrespect to the USC women, a top five school
in the country getting upset by Iowa doesn't really do
a service to the Iowa women as well, But why
would you not show that that was sort of the
idea of that game, even being.

Speaker 11 (02:33:50):
Yeah, I was surprised that I didn't get to watch
that a little bit, but they did. They did interview
her during the game a bunch, so she got on
the TV quite a bit. Clearly her presence there helped
fuel this up.

Speaker 2 (02:34:00):
And then there's Bo, who, uh you know, Bo is
a diehard Laker fan. He's wording Laker geared today, and look,
we said the same thing about the Dodgers, another one
of Bo's allegiances where the whole world is complaining about
how the Dodgers is spending money and those like nuh,
tough on you.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
I mean, I really don't give a.

Speaker 2 (02:34:19):
Rats ass about how you care about my team spending money,
and the same thing with Laker.

Speaker 3 (02:34:25):
I don't care how this deal went down.

Speaker 2 (02:34:27):
All I know is we just got a twenty five
year old superstar for nothing.

Speaker 1 (02:34:32):
If it's great, If Bo or anybody out there is wondering, hmm,
is this really a good deal for the Lakers? Like
am I one hundred percent sure? I'm on board with
shipping a d off to the Dallas Mavericks for you know,
you know what, leftovers from the Lakers refrigerator to get

(02:34:55):
Luka Dancic, a twenty five year old NBA All NBA star.
Look no further than Dallas Mavericks fan Twitter right now.
If you want confirmation that the Lakers won this trade,
just see what's happening out front of American Airlines Arena
right now.

Speaker 5 (02:35:13):
Yeah, you only need the video of MAVs fans carrying
a coffin set to the song See You Again from
Fast and Furious.

Speaker 1 (02:35:22):
The Mavericks.

Speaker 2 (02:35:23):
The Mavericks are trailing at halftime to the Cavaliers ninety
They just gave up ninety one points and a half.
I mean, what it was Jason Kidds saying to his
team right now at halftime? What do you think they're
down ninety one to forty six at the half. By
the way, this La Mavericks team, twenty six and.

Speaker 5 (02:35:41):
Twenty three, they're a playoff team right now, how late
do you think that team was up reading the news
just like everybody else.

Speaker 1 (02:35:47):
I mean, they didn't sleep. I mean some of those
players honestly probably didn't.

Speaker 2 (02:35:51):
And by the way, remember this La Mavericks team that's
been playing without Luca since Christmas Day and they're twenty
six and twenty three, so it's not like, you know,
they completely evaporated without Luka Dancish, but they evaporated today
ninety one points.

Speaker 3 (02:36:07):
I mean, you really have to be trying, you have,
I mean, just do the math.

Speaker 2 (02:36:12):
That's twenty four minutes that the Cavs scored ninety one points.

Speaker 5 (02:36:17):
I just one time, I wish one of these teams
would do this and then not pull up in the
second half, like in the Cavs, just go for two
hundred please.

Speaker 1 (02:36:24):
Oh it'd be great, just so much fun. Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:36:26):
I mean they're on pace to break the record for
a regulation game. So we'll see if this continues. But
I just can't wait for the Lakers. I want to
hear Rob Polenka, Nico Harrison, GM and the Mavericks said,
you were the only two people. You didn't tell Genie Buss,
you didn't tell Lebron, you didn't tell JJ right, you
told nobody. I'm about this trade that you and Harrison

(02:36:49):
were talking about for according to it weeks.

Speaker 1 (02:36:52):
Imagine Jason Kidd's pregame speech was like the same thing
that flight attendants say in case of emergency landing, you know,
like we have exits, we have if an oxygen mask
is deployed from the silly make sure you fasten yours
to your face before helping others.

Speaker 5 (02:37:10):
I'm I'm setting the line. It's six and a half
Bible references for Rob Polinka. No, but the introductory pressor
if KCP was Manna from heaven. I'm really excited to
hear what Luka Doncic is.

Speaker 1 (02:37:22):
I mean, I'm telling you right now, this is biblical.
I mean it really is. This is this for Dallas fans,
it is the end times. They are they are treating
this as though uh, somebody has has has taken a
first born from them, and they're handling it actually shockingly well.
As far as we know, no fires have been set.

(02:37:44):
I mean, no cars have been flipped over. There isn't
an angry mob. It seems to be one that's a
very very least compliant with local laws. I this is
the most shocking trade, or actually, I don't want to
say the most I think we're all very hyperbolic when
things like this happened. But this is one of the

(02:38:05):
most shocking trades in NBA history, certainly in sports history.

Speaker 4 (02:38:10):
It is.

Speaker 2 (02:38:11):
It is the most shocking, not just because of who
was involved in the trade, but how it went down.
So that's what's taken this to the way next level.

Speaker 5 (02:38:20):
I was asleep and my daughter woke me up, and
I looked at my phone and I saw that I
had like fifteen text messages and my Twitter was blowing up,
and I'm like, what is going on?

Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
I told you my youngest son, Garrett, twenty six years old,
a lifelong Laker, got literally a primal scream. I thought,
I thought, like something happened. I'm downstairs. Oh I'm like what, No,
that's not real.

Speaker 3 (02:38:43):
No, no, no, no, no, no, go back to bed, Garrett.

Speaker 1 (02:38:46):
It's just god damn. Yeah, that's not a real. No way.

Speaker 2 (02:38:50):
And then when I heard the terms of the deal,
because I'm thinking, what did they give up the reeves?

Speaker 3 (02:38:56):
They gave up their entire roster? Why they give up here?

Speaker 1 (02:38:59):
You know, I'm gonna MONSI was right. The Internet's only
good for cab videos. Yeah, that's it. I you know what, Honestly,
after this trade has been consummated, that's it. I think
I think we found that of Twitter. That's it. That's
that's as far as it goes. It's Graham TikTok, like,
this is it. Social media can sports. Social media has

(02:39:20):
reached its climax. We we are now in the downturn,
the Dan Newm heading toward conclusion we don't need it anymore.
This is it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:29):
This is the end of the well honest bottom line
is this was done as a favorite to us because normally,
you know, you don't want to lose everything. Because we
got five hours next week on Super Bowl Sunday and
fill up.

Speaker 3 (02:39:41):
We didn't have to use it today.

Speaker 1 (02:39:43):
No, because we could use it.

Speaker 2 (02:39:44):
On this We saved all that stuff, full of much
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