Steve Hartman & Veejay Huskey Talk Hulk Hogan, Baseball Hall Of Fame, And So Much More!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
It's Baseball Hall of Fame Induction Day.

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This way, one, two, three, four, four days until the
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into the NFL training camps are buzzing right now. By
the way, we got to get to a little overplay
just out of every NFL camp as far as a
guy stubs his toe and all of a sudden, it's
like the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
We got it, we got it. We gotta know, we
gotta know, we gotta know.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Until you have a definitive answer, guy has season entering surgery, boom,
All right, that's a story. But if a guy throws
an inner reception in a drill and suddenly like, oh,
he's going to be terrible this year, do not overplay
what's happening in these training camps right now. So we
got into the NFL, I do want to play it

(01:13):
all came something like, I've been guilty and no one's
more guilty of that wiors than me.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
But anyway, I love that I do that.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Before we get to all that, though, we really had
a couple of big passings this week. You know, Ozzy
osmoren passing away really came as no shock. The bigger
shock was that Ozzie survived as long as he did
seventy six years of age.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
And Ozzy had had.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
The sort of a farewell performance with his bandmates there
Black Sabbath, and he passes away. I had a chance
to see Ozzy in concert in his heyday of his
solo career. And then of course we have the passing
a Hulk Hogan, and I was asked about the passing
both of these alliens in their industry, and I say,

(02:01):
you know.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
When you are when you are above.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
We talked about this, you know, with a with a
Michael Jordan, and you talk about it with the Tiger Woods.
We've even talked about it with Caitlin Clark. When your
name is so far above the rest in terms of
what it is you do for a living, Ozzy Osbourne
in terms of heavy metal.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Black Sabbath essentially created it.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
I mean, when you think of Paranoid when it came out,
this was the song that sort of set the tone
for an entire new genre of music. And then Hulk Hogan.
I mean, you can make arguments about the Rock. You
can talk about Andre the Giant, you can talk about
Rick Flayer, talk about Sena, you can go old school
of brun or Sam Martino. There is no bigger star
in the history of wrestling, not even close to Hulk Hogan.

(02:47):
Hulk Hogan's star power in the world of wrestling far
exceeded that of anybody else. And when we're talking about
it again, not within the wrestling community, I'm talking about
away from the wrestling community. Can you identify this person
who could not identify Hulk Hogan. At some point he
might have been the most famous face on the planet.
And he passes away unexpectedly. We saw him strong at

(03:10):
the Republican Convention, seventy one years of age.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
His heart gave out.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
And I'm a little torn because you know, I met
Hulk Hogan when he launched his reality show with his
daughter Brook that came into our Burbank Studios could not
have been nicer.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Obviously he's promoting a new show and everything else.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
She was very sweet and we had a good time
talking to the Hulkster, but it doesn't take long for
people to find negatives, which by the way, he apologized
for and you could say, well, you know it was
lip service what took So I don't even get into that.
You know, did have did this guy have a positive

(03:48):
impact on a lot of people? And a guy like
Hulk Hogan absolutely had a very positive effect on a
lot of people, whether you were a kid growing up
watching Hulk Hogan or whatever, the message was clear. So
I would like to get your thoughts because I come
from a different era obviously than you do, VJ. But
what were your thoughts on the passing and the impact

(04:09):
the legacy of Hulk Hogan.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well, first of all, my prayers and condolences to all
his family members because at the end of the day,
you guys all know Brooke Hogan. She's multiple time ww
Women's Championship. She had a great run against Sasha Banks
for like two or three years and it kept putting
them in WrestleMania main events for the women.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
They both won money in the bank, so.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Like, he's still a dad, right right, He's still someone's father,
he's still someone's brother, he's still someone's grandfather, he's still
someone's uncle. You talk about some of the stuff that
we could bring up, and I'm gonna make this as
short as I can, man, real talk. I would just
hate the day that I passed away and the focus

(04:53):
was that one time when VJ did this. Yeah, So
forget the father that I am, forget the stay up commie,
and I've been just the kind human being. Just all
the mistakes I made coming back, personal training and acting, music,
like everything I've touched it, so that all goes away,
all the times I've headline nightclubs and made people laugh
sitting out there. Rob Parker included, it's come to show, Chris.

(05:15):
We saw Martin whis say, come and watch me do this.
I would hate for just all of that to go
away for a bad moment that regardless of how you
feel about it, let's get real.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
It was what it was. He said what he said,
We heard it, Okay.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
But if we did that with everybody, we can go
down the names of celebrities that got some baggage and
got some dirt.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
We can start naming them all day long.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Did we pick and choose who we want to remember,
how we want to remember them? How I will remember
olk Hogan is. Could you name another entertainer who literally
came into an industry when the industry was already going
and established and completely changed it all by himself. You
mentioned some of those other great We gotta make sure

(06:01):
rip we talk about Macho Man, Randy Savage, gods like
Brett Hart and the entire Brett Hart family with Stewhart,
with the dungeon up in Calgary, Alberta, Canada.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
We would have none.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
Of those guys, none of the iron Chic Nikita Koloff,
Nikolai Volkoff, the Bushwhackers, the Rockers, Sean Michaels, Triple h
we can.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Name them all day.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
We would have none of those guys if not for Terry,
buttheya Aka Holgan because he was the first guy who realized,
if I could create a character that can attach with
the fans and connect with the fans, I got something here.
He's the reason why we say twenty four inch pythons.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
He's the reason why we flex a certain way.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
He's the reason why the great Richard Covido put up
a video where they tore their shirts open, like he's.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
A trend setter, and when you're a trend setter and.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
You're a legend like that, I know we all make mistakes,
but I'm going to choose, and I do this with everybody,
whether they're Dad or Coulna, sit the prison or whatever.
With Mike Tyson, wood R. Telly, with Michael Jackson, with
Whitney he used to with, I do this with everybody.
I'm gonna choose to remember the major impact you had
on me, the major impact you had on the rest

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of the world. You had a bad moment, but that
you gotta make that up with somebody else. Now you
don't have to make that up with me. That's got
nothing to do with me. I can like or dislike it.
I didn't like what he said, but I understand that
he's not the only person in his industry that probably
felt that way, or the only person that's in entertainment
who probably.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Felt that way.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
He's the guy that got caught second bottom line. But
his impact of you know what, you know, saying your prayers,
taking your vitamins, believing in the big dude upstairs brother
like he he is the icon of icons.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
And I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
At one point, I truly believe Hulk Hogan was probably
the biggest star on planet Earth.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Most recognized in the world. Ever, the Hulk stirs.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
He's the reason why you say something made like he
like that guy did it, man, And I'm gonna just
remember he's the reason why I got into wrestling, and
I hated him. When I got into wrestling, I was
a Brett Hart fan, so I hated Holgan because it
always won.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Where your rowdy Roddy Piper, that was my guy, Are
you kidding?

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Rowdy Roddy Piper with the coconut up beside the head,
the Jimmy Superfly snooker, and then he had the boxing
match at WrestleMania two or three whatever Trump Plaza against
mister t Like come on, Hogan was He helped create
all of that, and then last point for the younger
generation when he went over to WCW and created the
n W oh he again changed the game because then

(08:40):
it was about factions. Okay, you got the Heart Foundation,
now you gotta have DX, and now you gotta have
this crew and that crew it He literally went to
them and said, I'll do a he'll turn. Listen, it's
time I'll do a here turn basst the beach comes
down to the ring. Is Holgan the third guy? He
backs up and drops the.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Big leg on.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
It's the biggest moment in wrestling. So he was the
biggest guy that had the biggest moments. Andre the Giant
in the sky. Don't slamm in him, ultimate warrior wrestleman.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Like Hogan's name. Guys, Let's just remember the impact he
impacted me.

Speaker 3 (09:10):
And I think he impacted millions and millions of people, man,
And you know our pizza them.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Straight up absolutely.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
I mean again, this a very similar thing happened when
Kobe passed away tragically and then obviously there was a
time in his life where he was notorious. And it
is just none of us are perfect, right, And if
you're listening right now saying, well, I'm pretty close, but
they're not. Whether whether it's publicly known something you're about

(09:39):
or not publicly known. You know, if you're a believer
in a higher power, they'll know, okay. So and that's
how that all breaks down.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
And that's what and that's what you got to deal with.
That's what you have to report to at the end.
Of the day when you get called somewhere, when you
leave here, you don't owe anybody here. We can sit
around and tall. Plus, I'm just not going to speak.
I don't like speaking ill of the dead. I've always
kind of looked down on that. Well, so the guy's gone.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
When we talk about legacy, you know, again, everyone views
you in a different way when you're in what we do.
You know again, I found this out, you know when
I started in this business thirty six years ago, forty
years and then I start nineteen eighty nine ers when
I you know, it was on party, but I mean,
I started in this industry, and you know, in the beginning,

(10:24):
you're you're very self conscious and everything else.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
You know, how am I doing anything? You don't understand?
Just be yourself, be your something, yourself, be yourself.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
And and then he yeah, I remember I was like
the new kid on the block, and most everything early
on written about me.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Hey fresh new boys, blah blah blah. Everyone was like
in my car, I'm like, yeah, man, that's me. I'm good.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And then all of a sudden you start building up
a little bit, and all of a sudden you get
to a certain point and all of a sudden, someone
comes in with a zoc and then another zeno, another one,
and another z in person, and then all of a
sudden you start and then you get personally, wow, man, really.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
You have no idea anyway? Well you do, but I,
I mean, it's just been crazy.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
But here here's what I I came down to this conclusion.
Half of the people listening to me think that I
am like the best of what I do.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
Like you know, Hartman is like the savon.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
He knows all the stats, definitely, And the other half
think you're the biggest idiot.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ever, how you got a job.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
That you are still doing that fired already? So I
just I get it, you know. But it's funny because,
as you know, when you confront some of those people
that maybe you're critical of you, they usually retort saying, hey,
but I listen anyway, all right? With that? Great It
was the old Howard Stern thing, remember that they did
in the movie where the people that said they hated
him actually listened to him longer than those that actually

(11:49):
say they liked him. Hate watching we do it all
hate why I can't stand that guy? Okay, but you
know what he says every day on his show. So
you you hate him, but your what but you're watching
to I hate them to see what he's gonna do.
Like I don't like cook carrots. I don't keep eating them.
I just gotta have them wrong. Well, think about Holkvid.
He went from the good guy to the bad guy.
Did it lessen his audience?

Speaker 2 (12:12):
No, not at all.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
It grew a home for a good guy the bad
guy man. It did not diminish his star power in
the least. All Right, we got a lot to do today.
From the thank you very much, I would say, you're
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Speaker 1 (13:57):
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Speaker 2 (14:30):
Know, it's so funny to me.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
I was listening to Plexico Burus yesterday. Plax Pox was
doing a great job. Dan Byro was sitting in as
LeVar and TJ were out, and he was being asked
about this time of the year as a former NFL player,
was it something you look forward to or dreaded? And
he said it was like a love hate and all
I could think about myself because I think he came

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in the league mid two thousands. I said, I guarantee
you twenty years prior to you because I was witnessed
to this.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
It would have been pure hate.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Training camp used to start the first week of July
was double days every day, taxis constantly and it was
just an endless and then you had a full preseason
and everything else. We're talking about two full months of
this before you actually started the regular season. Oh, by
the way, during the regular season, Wednesday and Thursday practices

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full pads.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah three, yeah, yeah, you would, you would.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
This is the way it would be on Monday, you
know again and I like days. Did anyone know I
worked for the Raiders anyway.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So this is how it would work.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
So we would have a game on Sunday, and then
Monday you would see the players literally dragging their bodies
in and this is where they would get you know,
looked at and everything else.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
We used to have these buckets of bills.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I mean, who knows what they did back in those
days anyway, and then Tuesday would be their day off,
and then Wednesday full pad practice, the full pad practice,
Friday walked through and then either we're traveling that day
or you know, and so and this is all season long, and.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
So it was.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
It was.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
It was this endurance test and you talk to the players.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You know, once it began, every week is like a
major car wreck and you have to survive it and
get right back on the field. So you build up
this body of armor that you know builds over the
course of the season. So, you know, I started laugh
when I'm watching you know, these training camps. Now they
there's no contact, there's you know, it's touch football. You're

(16:34):
barely doing anything that was resembling what they used to
have with these training camps. But that aside, we seem
to still have as many injuries in the preseason as
we had back when they were claborating each other the
entire summer. This is the same thing with starting pitchers now,
the less they pitch, the more injuries they have. So
I really, I really question when we talk about, well,

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we're concerned about the safety of the players, and we're
concerned about injuries and everything else, it doesn't seem to
have changed anything in the preseason, because there's nothing worse
in the NFL than losing a frontline player before each
season's even begun.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
Yeah, well this is back to the old it's softer today,
and I know people hate that, I know they do.
I know the younger generator. I know you guys do,
but you know it is what it is. Like, go
back and just look at film, just watch the schedule.
Look at how guys used to travel and have to play.
And the hitting is really really big. Like they do

(17:33):
not hit as much now that they don't walk through everything.
Everything's not in jersey and shorts, but they will get
the hitting. Eric Glenn already has them them Jets hitting
already because I was watching NFL Network and he was like, well,
we're gonna have the full pad tackle, one on one
tackle drills, old school Oklahoma. Baby, Yeah, that's the real stuff.
That's the real stuff. That's the stuff I grew up doing.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Tackle.

Speaker 3 (17:52):
Yeah, exactly, form tackling Oklahoma carousel drills, all that stuff. Man,
where it's full pads one on one or two on
two or two. Linemen lay on their back, falm with
the helmet, the coach blows the whistle. They both got
to get up and spin up block each other. You
got a runner and you got a tackler. He makes
a cut, you gotta make the tackle. They put the
dummies to make the boundary and the team surrounds it.
And that's where you find out where you separate the

(18:14):
men from the boys. Now, would you start to see
with these injuries is I totally agree with you. If
you don't play as much, you don't get your body
going as much. What's happening in these training camps is
they're so short now. They know they're not gonna play
their starters in the first week of the preseason, so
they know essentially they have four weeks or maybe three.
I would say three weeks to get your guys prepared

(18:36):
to just get out there. Get somebody else for seriously,
two which we're gonna see in week two. That's why
they like them cutting down the fourth preseason game. I
didn't like that, and I agree with you. They should
start the preseason or start training camp. Excuse me, like
July sixth, Let your guys have that one last family holiday,
that one last hurrah, that one last barbecue. The fifth

(18:56):
is your travel and recovery day from all the drinking
and party and whatever you do. When the smart guys
are just relaxed and watched the fire works with their kids,
they won't do much. I got training camp in two days,
start July sixth, and then start the preseason a full
thirty days. That way you can get teams to ease
their guys in the first week or two. Hit a
little bit, take it back a little bit, then go

(19:18):
hit a little bit again, and then peel it back
before the preseason game start. But once again, you're not
gonna play your starters in the first one, so they
get an extra week.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
We don't even get Look, VJ, you remember how this
all used to wear.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Get four preseason games, right, and the third game was
the dress rehearsal. That was the first half, but that
was it. Yeah, we'd have that dress rehearsal game in
the third preson. We don't even have that anymore. Look
after the COVID season of twenty twenty, when there was
no preseason, we went right into the season and everything. Look,

(19:51):
you know, a little shaken for a couple of weeks,
but after that everybody settled in, you know as well
as I do. When this league will expand to the
eighteen game schedule, it's going to be over twenty weeks,
So you're gonna have twenty weeks to sell the networks.
You're gonna have two by weeks during the course of
an eighteen game schedule, and that's gonna eliminate the preseason.
The preseason is gonna go bye bye, no more preseason games.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
However, I'm fine with that. I'm fine with it.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
You five would talk to the coach as they say, look,
these controlled scrimmages, where they say, all right, these are things.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
We want to work on.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
What is it you want to work on, We'll work
with you, and so these are the things that we
specifically need to work on. The controlled scrimmages are gonna
get far more out of that than these preseason games are.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
You're throwing guys out.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
There, they're not even gonna be on your team, and
you're charging fans full price for those tickets. It's absolute
robbery out there. So that's eventually where it's going to
go with the preseason.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
All right.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
I got to say something about the eighteen games. I
think you misspoke. I think you meant when they go
to twenty games, well down the road. No, but they're
gonna go antl and the next four years. Yeah, in
the next four years, they will eliminate preseason, yes, and
they will play twenty regular season goal.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, they're not going for seventeen to twenty. They'll go
seventeen eighty I'm just saying within four years. I'm just
saying within four years.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
No, no, no, But once they introduce that second by week,
they'll also expand the rosters. Expand the roster sixty five,
I mean the players Association, even though they're completely screwed up.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Right now, what do you like players? I like sixty
to sixty five fifty three. Now you gotta give you
gotta give at least ten again if you're gonna continue
to expand the schedule. Yes, you got to give ten
extra guys, at least sixty I mean.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
You got ten guys on your practice squad.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Okay, so seventy three guys total. Come on, twenty games.
We're giving it to you. You know, we're giving you
guys what you want. But yeah, what's more?

Speaker 4 (21:41):
Guy?

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Let me ask you this. Are you gonna activate more players? Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:45):
I think you should be to activate five more guys,
five more activations. On a Sunday, sixty three people, ten
packed and you know what, twelve practice squad players. Why
not give more guys an opportunity to make their dreams
come true?

Speaker 2 (21:57):
There's no reason. I mean, you got again, you have
the UFL.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
They got players out there, right I'm not saying that
it's a true professional well first, but the pack is
there are players out there I know, you know, and
get some of those guys shot. Look at There was
a guy named Kurt Warner who spent three years in
arena football that no one ever heard of, and the
guy ended up in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
So he helps to play the next side of Marshall
fall Katy Hall in Isaiah.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
You know what the thing about Kurt Warner was he
was one of the most accurate passers the game has
ever seen. And he said, and I did many interviews
with Kurt over the years, he said, the great thing
about playing arena football is that the passing lanes are
so narrow because you're indoors in a confined area that
when I got actually back out on the field, everybody

(22:43):
look wide open.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
We've never had a Kurt Warner discussion, so this is
the first time you've ever heard this from me. But
I've been on this for like fifteen years. Kurt Warner
is one of the most overrated quarterbacks I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
The absolutely not. It's not his postseason numbers. You want overrated.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
Lamar Jackson's overrated three and five in the postseason.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Allow to have that opinion. I can't really demand.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
I'll get over Warner's career, which by the way, did
not start until he was twenty seven years old.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
I get it, so he had a late start to
his career.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
But when you look at his postseason number, up with
it this way, the guy.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Had Hall of fame. How about this with the Giants
into the Giants side, he.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Has one receiver in the Hall of Fame. His name
is Isaac Bruce.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
He has another Tory Holts, not in the Hall of Fame. No, no, no,
And Larry Fitzgerald's going to the Hall of Fame. By
the way, Matt Liner couldn't seem to find Larry.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Not going to the Hall of Fame eventually, Well.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I hope he does.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Bottom line is.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Bottom line is his numbers speak for themselves, and it
was a relatively short career. But remember this, in the
first fifty Super bowls, okay one through fifty, that's one
hundred starting quarterbacks, right, first fifty Super Bowls. Through the
first fifty Super bowls, most passing yards in a Super Bowl.
Number one Kurt Warner, Number two, Kurt Warner number three.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Kurt Warner. That's right.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
His three super bowls were one, two, three in the
first fifty super Bowl record.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Well, now Brady is broken about it all. His record,
his win low super Bowl record is.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
One and two and that's his fault.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
I mean, he had a miracle catch for the Steelers
to beat him when he could have won a super
Bowl with a freaking Arizona Cardinals. And then again Tom
Brady and the butchered Mike Martz. No, no, no, no,
don't go there.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I'll be a defender. That's fine. I love it. I
love this. We've never talked Kurt Warner ever. I didn't
know you feel way about it. I do.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
I feel because I don't think you can tell the
history of the NFL without talking about the Kurt Warner store,
which is one of the most unmilliable stories in the
history of the NFL. But that aside, let's find out
what is.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Trendy right now, Monze Moncey.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Do you have any opinion at all about the football
career of Kurt Warner.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
I did not think so, not at all, not at all.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
I like that, not even a little bit. All right, guys,
but I do have NFL news for you. How about that.
We'll start with the chart, because they just agreed with
left tackle Rashaan Slater on a four year, one hundred
and fourteen million dollar extension. It includes a record ninety
two million guaranteed, now making him the highest paid offensive
lineman in NFL history. So good for Chargers.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
He's got to stay healthy, though, he does stay for everybody.

Speaker 7 (25:19):
You could say that literally about everybody else.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
I've never seen to get hurt. He's had a few injuries.

Speaker 7 (25:24):
You're right that some people are more prone. I you're
right about that, but it is now with everyone anyone.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
It's he plays hard too, man.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
He plays yes, and you know a smart.

Speaker 7 (25:37):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 6 (25:40):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (25:40):
Cowboys tight end Jack Ferguson has agreed to a four year,
fifty two million dollar extension. Dolphin safety mikeup Fitzpatrick has
agreed to a revised contract, adding a sixteen million dollars
signing bonus to his deal. They're still negotiating a multi
year contract extension. Commander Star receiver Terry McLaurin reported to
camp today, ending his holdout without a contract extension, who
was also placed on the physically unable to perform list

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due to an ankle injury in the NBA. Chicago Bulls
head coach Billy Donovan has signed a multi year contract extension.
In baseball, O'Neil Cruz is really fast, guys. In case
you didn't know, he scored from first base on a
Tommy fam single and he just added an RBI single.
So the Pirates are up on the Diamondbacks three zero.
Top of the fourth inning. Orioles are edging the Rockies

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two to one. Top of the third. Trevor Story with
the sackfly puts the Boston Red Sox on the scoreboard
first against the Dodgers at home. One zero after the
first inning, and the Yankees were up not anymore. It
looks like wait, Phillies were up not anymore. A Yankees
have tied the game. And it was not an Aaron
Judge home run since we know he's on the il.
It is two to two in New York. Bottom of
the second inning, Reds up on the raise two zero.

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Bottom of the third. The Tigers, who have struggled lately
have lost six in a row, are on the scoreboard
first thanks to a three run shot from Glabor Torres.
They're beating the Blue Jays three zero top of the
fourth comes off on the White Sox to one top
of the second inning, and it's the Padres who are
beating the Cardinals in Saint Louis right now to zero
after the first inning.

Speaker 8 (27:04):
Back to you guys, Hi MONSI thank you very much,
seaw Harvin and Husky here Fox Sports, Sonny and the
Fox Sports Radio studios certainly makes sense of Billy Donovan,
who's had four losing seasons in five years with the Bulls,
should get a contract extension.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
He's had three straight losing seasons. Four of the five.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Years he's been with the Bulls, he's had a losing season.
Only once has he made the playoffs. And he gets
an extension.

Speaker 3 (27:30):
He knows something about somebody. I'm sorry, he knows some secret, bro.
There's just no way you could tell me, Billy donovd.
When Monci just read that over to Live Eric doing
her update, I looked at Steven Taptam.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
We took our headsets all about that.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
How the belief does Billy Donovan get a contract extension
with the Bulls.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
What have they done?

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Have they even mattered to the NBA since Derek Rose?

Speaker 1 (27:53):
How about this over the last three years forty and
forty two, thirty nine and forty three, thirty nine and
forty three, middle of the playoffs, under five team, no playoffs,
playing in the Week East.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
You got, guys, that's winning NBA championships. Getting fired, Think
about it.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
You missed the playoffs playing in the weak Eastern Conference
straight years.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Congratulations on the contract extension.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
All right, I want to start talking about fact versus
fiction in the NFL training camps. One of the big
stories early on is Caleb Williams struggling with Ben Johnson's
offense early in training camp.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
So those that are quick.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
To decide the fate of the Bears with Kaylin Williams
are saying, this guy is a colossal bust. Jayden Daniels
should have been the number one overall picked by the Bears.
The commanders are reaping the benefits having taken a vastly
superior talent in Jayden Daniels and Caleb Williams will prove

(28:54):
to be an absolute bust in the NFL. Factor fiction.
What we are seeing in these early struggles as he
tries to grasp, by the way, an entirely new offensive
system being introduced by Ben Johnson, who, by the Way
is also trying to figure out what kind of head
coach he's going to be because he's never been a
head coach before.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Factor of fiction.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
This has been a bad marriage, and Caleb Williams will
prove that. Indeed, whatever we saw at the collegiate level
is not going to translate in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
No, that's fact.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
But that was my opinion on him coming out of USC.
If you put on that last season of tape at USC,
there's four bad games.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Four.

Speaker 3 (29:30):
When a quarterback has four bad games in his last
year in college, you can't tell me he's generational, Like
I'm not hearing that.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
You can speak that.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I know it's popular because Pat Mahomes runs around and
does a lot of magical type stuff. So anytime someone
can throw off balance or throw side arm or make
these run around plays, he's the first name we compare
him to.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
But I think that's a.

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Disservice and a disrespect to Patrick Mahomes because none of
those guys are going to be Patrick Mahomes. They'll be
good in their own right, but they're not gonna be him.
And when you watch his footwork, I'm a footwork guy.
Speak about this with quarterbacks all the time. The quarterbacks,
like coach, I tell him the same thing. If your
feet aren't right, the whole plays messed up, the whole
throws messed up. He doesn't have good footwork, he doesn't

(30:10):
have good fundamental footwork. He relies on his talent in
his arms just a little too much. This bears thing
with Caleb Williams. I thought coming out of college, I
just don't see generational talent, much like with CJ. Stroud
and Bryce Young, where I've told me Bryce Young, Yeah,
had a tough rookie year, He's gonna be the better quarterback.
And Jayden Daniels is kind of showing and already shown us.
Not only did he get to the playoffs as a rookie,

(30:33):
he won two playoff games on the road, like he
went in the Tampa and stole that one, then went
up to Detroit and lamb based at them, putting forty
plus on the board on them, and then people picking
him to do big things again this year. We'll see
how that happens in that division. I think Dallas is
back in fact his health. I think Dalla's gonna be
a good football team along with the Eagles, but with
Caleb Willms y'all, I'm on with him. I think this

(30:53):
is fact that I don't see generational. I never saw
generational and I've been on record to say that. And
now you hear always having problems grasping. Yeah, all right,
well you got to grasp a playbook quarterback like this,
well job and they again, this gets back to preseason.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
So you know, a lot of guys don't want to
play in the preseason. This is a case for Caleb Williamston.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
I got to play. He has got to play.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
He's going to have to play full halves if he's
going to catch up. I know, Ben Johnson, you know,
here's an opportunity for a young coach. A lot of hype,
you know, and I get it. I mean, you know,
you never know. I remember when Joe Gibbs was this
like anonymous offensive coordinator with Don Coriel, you know, in
the Charger days, right, and everyone's like, well, I mean,

(31:34):
how much is this guy actually doing? I mean it's
Coriel's offense, right, And the then Redskins hired this guy
and he's complete anonymous coach, and then you go he's not.
And I think he started zero to five that first year.
They finished eight and eighth. The next year they win
the Super Bowl. So I don't know if Ben Johnson
is going to be that kind of coach, if he's
going to be an instant impact guy. I do like

(31:54):
the fact though, that when things weren't working in the field,
he pulled them off the field to establish a certain
hierarchy where it's like, I'm in charge, I don't like
what I see the ball, get off the field, and
let's get somebody else in there that can execute what
it is that Ben has.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
He has to do that because the franchise already like
rolled out the triple red carpet for Caleb Williams since
day one. So now, and that's because Naggie was fighting
for his job. He was on a hot seat. We
all knew that. So now you have it to where
he is trying to establish himself as a head coach,
not just be another coordinator that came from another big

(32:34):
time team that actually got knocked out of the playoffs
in their first home game last year, now to having
his own system, his own voice, and the guy that
you got to call out first for not playing well
is the guy they've been rolling out the red carpet
because I wan't here when you got here, brother, but
I'm here now, so we're gonna do things my way.
Don't like what I see. Come sip some Gatoray real quick,

(32:55):
let's talk.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
I am still jury out on caleboy. His his you know,
follow up from the Heisman year. Five games in, he
has twenty one touchdowns, one pick and they're five and
oh they actually got to six and oh and then
the wheels came off when they went to Notre Dame.
He had the three pick game against Notre Dame and
he never really recovered from that. Like, from that point on,

(33:18):
he did not look the same. Now he's in a
situation as Chicago. You know, remember before the season last year,
iber Flus was considered a favorite to be coach of
the year, right, and then we're joking, Yeah, he's also
considered to be the favorite to be the first coach fired.
And then after he was fired, they played even worse.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Sorry, I said, nag, I'm sorry, I have to write myself,
I said, naggy abra.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
So eber Flus was the guy, and the bottom line
was is that, you know, they actually played worse after
iber Flus was let go. So I look at it
this way, Kayleb Williams, it is. It is a fresh start.
It was a false start last year because again it's
a new coach of new system, knew everything else. So
I'm going to hold out and say that I saw
things from Caleb Williams on the field. I'm not going

(34:02):
to compare him to anybody. I'm just talking about him.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
Now.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
They're going to draw comparisons to Mahomes. That's ridiculous. So
but I mean, I saw that he has the ability
to make things happen on the field. The thing that
really stands out to me with quarterbacks though, and this
is to me an absolute must, because all great quarterbacks have.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
It is command on the field.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
When you when you charge a team on the field,
whether you know you saw it with the great quarterbacks
of all time, you know the games on the line
and you can see them respond to this quarterback. Let's
go to the line, let's get this thing done. All
great quarterbacks have that, and I haven't seen even a
hint of that from Caleb Williams in his short NFL career.

(34:46):
So hopefully, for his sake, Ben Johnson can instill that
in him. Maybe it's not in him, but I don't
see that. Whatever it is. I mean, I already saw
with Jane Daniels a year ago. I saw with c J. Stroup,
with Houston. You certain young quarterbacks. He just I remember
this with Dak Prescott. I saw his very first preseason
game was in San Diego, and you know, he was

(35:09):
like a fourth round pick. And I watched this kid,
and I'm like, he's got it. I see this, watch him,
he belongs. You can see that this guy has this,
this persona on the field that I belong.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
I can take care, take your control of this. You
like Caleb's tape though, I get all that other I
get all that stuff you're saying to you.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
I've seen something tape. I see some things. Yes, you
gotta have more than just some things. Man to be
a quarterback.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
In his legal he can throw the ball accurately. He's
shown that, but he's not consistent.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Okay, well, I mean again, you would say that you
know something could be developed you mature as a quarterback.
He could get the ball down the field, he could
obviously run. He can make throws at certain angles. This
is worthy of Mahomes and Parrison started popping up.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, but that that's not his basics, and see, that's
one that's my issue with him. His basics of what's
good you're going to need to get there is gonna
have to be more than He can make some things happen,
like we've seen so many quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
But he can make some things happen.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
Johnny manziel could make some things happen, But is it
sustainable that That's just where I kind of unfortunately for.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Johnny Manziel, and I was the biggest Manzel fan on
the planet.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
I like to do.

Speaker 1 (36:21):
His game didn't translate to the NFL period because he
was an improval.

Speaker 2 (36:26):
That was the beauty about him. He Nick Saban still
wakes up like he never figured this guy out. Get
me out of here with this kid all right?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Coming up on the other side, another quarterback that is
getting some concerned looks.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
We'll tell you who it is. This is Fox Sports Sunday.
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Steve Harbin and BJ Husky, Fox Sports Sunday and the
Fox Sports Radio Studios.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Okay, programming update.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
We were hoping to catch up with John Paul Morosi
today live from Cooperstown. However, the work he does with
the MLB network is going to conflict with our show today,
so no JP from COOPER'STWN. We'll talk a little bit
about not only today obviously induction ceremony for the Baseball
Hall of Fame, but next Saturday will be the induction

(37:15):
day and shrinean day for the Pro Football Hall of
from So we'll get into that a little bit later
on the show. We're talking current NFL training camp news,
Factor Fiction, and we talked about Caleb Williams situation. You
seem to have, like you say, you've sounded the alarm
Caleb Williams even before the draft, and I'm still holding

(37:37):
out hope on him, you know. And and by the way,
I haven't waivered on Bryce Young. I'm with you on
Bryce Young. I had the jury is far from out.
I mean, you could not have walked into a worse
situation than he did with Carolina.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
So new coach last year, and.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
I started to see a little bit of that swag
that I remember from his high school days, and that
translated to a Heisman Trophy at Alabama. All right, So
Factor Fiction, Aaron Rodgers apparently first time out through a
pick right off the bat. So this this marriage and
by the way, he was confronted on the NFL network

(38:16):
with some of the words said to about Terry Bradshaw,
and I thought, is honestly his answer was true in
the sense that he doesn't know me. In other words,
you know, Terry Bradshaw doesn't really know me. He's seen
my documentary, the most self serving documentary I've ever seen
since the Michael Jordan documentary. You know you know anything,

(38:38):
Aaron Rodgers. If you're upset, Aaron about your public persona,
you created it. So there's no one to blame for
your public persona other than you, because you have amplified it,
you have perpetuated it, and that's why people view you
the way they do. But that being said, the bigger
question for the Steelers, who are a team again that
is a fringe playoff team. They've been this for several

(39:00):
years under Mike Tomlin. More often than not they do
sneak in the playoffs and then have a one and
done exit. Based on what he did a year ago
with the Jets, where he did start all seventeen games
on a very bad football team, I do believe that
Steelers have an upgrade at quarterback, not much of an upgrade,
and I'm not the biggest Aaron Rodgers fan to say

(39:22):
the least, that they are no worse at quarterback than
they have been over the last four years going into
the season. The question to me is, how is his
attitude what the Aaron Rodgers added to bring to a
stable franchise, which is what the Steelers have been forever.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
And are under Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Will there'd be so much tumult with just Aaron Rodgers
being Aaron Rodgers that he will unravel everything that the
Steelers have stood by and stood for for all these years.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
Ever since we've been talking about this, since he made
his move. What I tell you was gonna happen. What
I tell you I people's gonna happen. Man and Rogers listen.
Dave Leafloor, he tried to tear him down, all right.
He goes to the Jets. He tears me Matt, Mattlafloor, Sorry,
Matt Lafloor. He goes, yeah, man, I'm mixing up names today.
Wat wake up.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
He'said, no, it's not. He goes to the Jets and
takes solid down.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I'm telling you this is going to be Mike tomlins
first losing season. I said this months ago. This guy
just ruins things. He touches and goals around. He's not
a good player, he's not a good teammate. He's not
a winnable quarterback anymore.

Speaker 2 (40:35):
It's over.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I'm not gonna fall for the name Aaron Rodgers tape.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Don't lie. Put the tape on the tape. Don't lie.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
He's old now. He is not Brady. Okay, he's not paying,
he's not those guys. He's great, but he's not them dudes.
This thing's gonna go. He's gonna tear Pittsburgh to the ground.
The Ravens are gonna be good, Cincinnati's gonna be good,
Cleveland's gonna be decent.

Speaker 7 (40:59):
In the am.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
You see his stat you mark Mark, they are finishing
under five one hundred because they decided to go get
that guy.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
Man, he going to tear it down. I'm sorry, Mike,
he take you on the far honey man. He said that.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Aaron Anders talking about THEIRS seven or eight teams each
year that can win the Super Bowl, maybe ten or twelve.
He goes, that's where we are. We're in that group
right there. We'll find out once the season begins. We
got Hall of Fame to talk about. This is Fox
Sports Sunday. Okay, rolling along here on another buzy Sports Sunday.
This is Fox Sports Sunday, and we're in the Fox

(41:33):
Sports radio studios. Everything's about to change shortly, folks, as
we get into the football season, starting with the Hall
of Fame game on Thursday between the Chargers and the Lions.
Saturday will be the induction ceremony for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame. Just a quick note on the Baseball
Hall of Fame today again, JP will not be able

(41:55):
to join us from Cooperstown.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Five new inductees.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
It's interesting to me that the two veterans candidates that
were elected, Dave Parker and Dick Allen, in many ways
are bigger stars than the three that were voted in
by the Baseball writers, which are e ro cc Sabathia
and Billy Wagner. When I always say this, can you
write the history of a game without mentioning somebody? I mean,

(42:19):
if you're deemed a Hall of Famer, it would seem
that you can't talk about the history of a sport
without mentioning this name. And so if I were to say,
could you talk about if I were to ask this question,
could you write the history of baseball without mentioning Billy Wagner.

(42:40):
I think the biggest response would be this, who the
hell is Billy Wagner?

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Right? Never even heard of the guy.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Billy Wagner, by the way, was a longtime closer, struck
out a lot of guys. He was notorious because he
was a guy that wasn't that big physically, but he
had a lot of speed on his ball. But here's
something that gets to me about a guy like Billy
Wagner as opposed to I don't know, and I'm a
little partially with the Steve Garvey situation. Steve Garvey's postseason

(43:08):
numbers are off the charts. Billy Wagner, who just will
be inducted into the Hall of Fame today, was a closer.
He pitched in fourteen postseason games. You ready for this, Fejay,
fourteen postseason games he appeared in. His career postseason record

(43:28):
his ERA ten point zero three. That's his career postseason
era in fourteen postseason appearances. The Hall of Famer Billy
Wagner's ERA ten point zero three, Well, that screams Hall

(43:49):
of Fame to me.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
The baseball writers have embarrassed themselves over the years by
excluding the Barry Bonds and the Roger Clemens and the
a Rods, and the many Ramirezes and the ra Al Palmerow's,
the Mark McGuire, Sammy Socialist, goes on and on and on,
Gary Sheffield, excluding guys that were Hall of famers, And
yet you open the door for a Billy Wagner who

(44:13):
in fourteen postseeded appearances in eleven and two thirds SIVSA
and gave up twenty one hits and thirteen are in runs.
That's who you.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Deem worthy of being immortalized in baseball lore. It just
it's an embarrassment. The Baseball Hall of Fame has taking
a deep turn south over the years, and no matter
how many times they try to exclaim, Wow, we're.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
The most exclusive club of all time, no you're not.

Speaker 1 (44:40):
You're an embarrassment to halls of fame. And that includes
the Basketball Hall of Fame, which is the ultimate and embarrassment.
But the Baseball Hall of Fame, with the inclusion of
people like Scott Roland and Billy Wagner, who by no
stretch of the imagination are Hall of Fame players, it
just it gets to me because I love the sport.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
I love the history of baseball.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
It's got a rich history, it's got some of the
greatest names, not just in baseball history, but sports history.
And to be somehow included in the same club as
those names, it's to me, it's just it makes me
want to I uh, I'm getting a little you know,
and being in a throw up a little bit.

Speaker 3 (45:20):
Ye Jim Carrey style. I got nothing to add, man,
I'm gonna let you had out one. I'm gonna let
you hid out and I got nothing to add. I'm
not a Hall of Fame small of fame.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Man.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Put the tape on. I'm gonna tell you. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
I know it sounds cool. I'm a tape guy. Put
the tape on, and then the tape will tell you.
Put the tape on and talk to the people who
played against him. Especially when it comes to basketball. That's
my favorite basketball because basketball is the most narrative driven
sports tall topic I think where it's very personal with
most people when you talk basketball and we forget like

(45:52):
true great player.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
I had a.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Conversation with Kenya Martin the other day. I'm talking to
Kenya Martin and Mitt Richmond over at Gohls Gym one
I GM at and just to stand there and talk
basketball with him, you understand, this man knows what he's
talking about. He may not be the megastar, but he
played with Carmelo Anthony, played under George carl and had

(46:15):
to guard a guy like Kobe Bryant. I'll think I'll
take what he says over someone who's never never dribbled
past high school, like past high school. And you probably
some of y'all ain't even dribbling high school. But you
are the upfront authority on a basketball topic. And then

(46:38):
you get a guy that's got a fifteen year career,
was the number one overall pick, like and then you
start talking with him and it's like, Wow, you have
a conversation with a guy like Olden Polonies, you have
a conversation with a guy like Mitch Richmond, Like you know, guys.
I tell you one thing I loved about covering the NBA.
My favorite thing about covering the NBA were the side

(46:59):
conversations I had. I did the interview stuff just to
show the world or show the industry that hey, I
could sit in the press conference with these other names
and get my questions in and get complimented on my
questions and get good return answers for my questions. But
my favorite part was just striking up conversation, like Joe
kitsch is just any other normal guy? Hey, nice, Sue Brother,

(47:19):
I like that pinchtripe. Thank you doing man, Hey, quick
question for you. But next thing you know, I stopped
and I'm talking to Joe Kitchen in the back tunnel.
That meant more to me than the actual interview or
the actual press comes, because that's when you're gonna get
the real conversations from people, and the real like hey,
this guy was trash or this guy was good or
look man, I had to play against the guy.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
I had to cover the guy I had to.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
We had Richmond Webb on on the Saturday show that
I used to do here, and the question I asked
him was hands down favorite defender to see and the
hardest guy you ever without hesitation.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
He goes Bruce Smith. He goes Bruce Smith.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
I said, oh wow, that's right, you did go all
those years the former sac leader all times sackler, Bruce Smith.
He had to block this guy, a Hall of fame
perennial guy.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Tom. But when you talk about defensive ends.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Steve Hartman, how many times do we bring up Bruce
Smith's name?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Well, they should, obviously because he's a dime sack leader.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Obviously I respect the opinion of athletes talking about other athletes.
But then I get back to the annual NBA All
Star voting. So the way the NBA All Star Game works,
there's three different votes. There's the media vote, there's the
fan vote, and then there's the player vote. And when

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you look at the player vote, it always just like
it's like what happened here? So, for instance, I'm looking
two years ago, twenty twenty four NBA All Star Game.
The player vote, this is voting for starters.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
In the game, and this players voting for players.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
Players voting for players to start in the All Star Game.
Jalen Smith of the Pacers got six votes from players
to start in the All Star Game. Jalen Johnson got
eight votes to start in the All Star Game. Tobias

(49:30):
Harris got twenty votes. Nick Claxton got eight votes. That's
eight players that said he should start the All Star Game.
This is a lineup that ended up with Andrew Decompo,
Tatum mb as So Obi Toppins seven votes, Andre Drummond
nine votes, Patrick Williams of the Bulls nine votes.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
To start the game.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Now, okay, Patrick, would you vote him over Anna Decompo,
Embiid Tatum, Jayalen Brown, Butler. I mean, look from guys
who deal with these but here again, this is this
is why I'll give you another example.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
So when I worked did you know I worked for
the Raiders anyway?

Speaker 1 (50:22):
When I was working for the Raiders, of one of
our biggest stars obviously was Howie Long, Hall of Famer.
And I had a conversation with whole people Rannie White,
all time greats, Yeah, DNT And I don't know how
it was. I was at the Hall of Fame ceremony actually.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
And he was there, and I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I was with a group of people and somehow the
name how He Long came up and he did not hesitate.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
He said.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
That guy is he most overrated defensive.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Lineman of all time? I go, I was like, really,
and I go. He looked dominant. How he said this
about anyway?

Speaker 3 (51:06):
Randy White said this about Howie Oh, Randy White said
this about how he said he goes, he goes.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Here's the deal. When how he was at the Raiders.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
And by the way, this was similar with Joe Cleco
of the Jets, who's in the Hall of Fame, Dan
Hampton of the Bears of the Hall of Fame. These
are guys who would move up and down the line
of scrimmage. And he goes, here's the thing that the
Raiders used to do with HOWI long. They would line
him up against the weakest guy. So, in other words,
he goes, I was a strict defensive tackle. I'm sitting
there right defensive tackle. Doesn't matter who they're putting up

(51:37):
against me. I'm in one spot. They were moving him
up and down, and they're cherry picking who is the
weakest link on that offensive line.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Then he tease off on that guy.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
He goes, if I had done that, I would have
had three hundred sacks, if I had the choice of
who which.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
One of those linemen I want to go up against.

Speaker 1 (51:54):
Now I thought it was I understood what he was
point was, But he I saw he came in a
game because I'm watching him game in a game out.
He had some injuries. Later he wasn't the same player,
but I saw him at his peak, and he was
being double team and triple team and absolutely dominating. But
this is a personal bias, and I thought some of
it rubbed off on Randy because by this time, how

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He was already a media star, that his star was
bigger than Randy White. I will say this, and how
he was, Randy White's a better player, was a better
player than how He Long. But nobody remembers Randy White.
They all remember how He because he's on TV every week.
And so that's the kind of personal bias that unfortunately,

(52:37):
when we talk about we talk about media bias, there's
player bias as well, against or for certain players.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
I don't think that's bias.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I think that would because Randy White was a beast
like Randy White was a play in is arguing even
how He Long would tell you that Randy White was
a better player than how And the reason why we
don't remember him is because he played with that star
on his helmet. And they're just so there's so many
It's like the Lakers, right, why don't we ever mention
Elgin Baylor the way that we should we again? Because

(53:07):
right right, and I'm a guy on the fifty, but
I know my history, like I know.

Speaker 1 (53:11):
Just remember this we don't mention him. Elgin Baylor, God
rest him. He was one of my favorite people. His
third year, which was the first year the Lakers moved
from Minneapolis to Los Angeles for the season, played every game,
averaged thirty five points, twenty rebounds, and five a six.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I mean Elgin was dropping seventy before the three point line.
Like Elgin was that, Like he was the first guy
to score seventy in an NBA game.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
He's dropped sixty one game five NBA Finals in the
Boston Garden against Bill Russell and the whole gang.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
But that's the point I'm making. He can say, right there,
you go, that's the point I'm making. It's because the
Lakers are so drowned with so many great names that
by the time you get the Elgin, you said, Kareem Shaq,
Kobe Sma, Jerry West, Yeah, exactly, Wes, Like, there's six
guys before you.

Speaker 2 (54:03):
So that's why. But that doesn't mean elgend Baylor wasn't
no player.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
And then we can look at the same player from
his era that we might talk about more than elgend
Baylor because he played with a franchise that just hyped
him up or like you said, once you're in media
afterwards you are you do have a bigger start. Like
Great Hill was a better player than Charles Barkley, but
because Charles Barkley's been on TV so much longer than
Grant Hill has that that's the guy we're gonna remember,

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and people will probably try to put him.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Over Grant Hill.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
But ball football player for player, Grant Hill was a
better basketball player.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Dan Dirdorf got into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
You know he was a good player. That he wasn't
a good player, but the fact that he was showing
up a Monday night football.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
And he remember him. So I just that's let me
tell you something. I've never thought.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
About that before. As far as Howie Long.

Speaker 3 (54:53):
Being overrated, I never thought how he loan was this
legendary raider. I never looked at him like that. It's
a great player, But like where's the Hoghwie Long plays?
You remember, like, where's where's the Howie Long gang? We
got that with some other defenders that you know, we
just don't kind of have with Howie Long. Like you said,
good player, but you know, better than Randy White.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
All right? Coming up on the other side, Vj's all
hyped up. He's hyped up, folks, he.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Is hyped up about one quarterback in the NFL. Brace yourself,
because I get a sense we're gonna hear his name
uttered from Vj's lips over and over and over again
all season long.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Who is it? You'll find out?

Speaker 1 (55:40):
This is Fox Sports Sunday, Hartman Husky, Fox Sports Sunday.
They're in the Fox Sports radio studios. All right, I
told you there's a quarterback's name.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
The VJ.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Husky is going to be saying over and over and
over again, week after week, month after month. But that
name will not be revealed right now. You're gonna have
to wait.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
A little longer because it's that time. I really wanted
to hear Jared Goff's name too.

Speaker 9 (56:12):
A percise, profitable picks over under a half a flagrant, gentlemen,
are your perfect picks?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
All right?

Speaker 9 (56:21):
And speaking of Jared Goff and the come from behind
I saw in the Texans game, guess what we almost
got the brand new ball game last week.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
You guys had two picks overlapping, so you split that.

Speaker 9 (56:31):
You both went one to O there with Otani actually
under on the hits. MLB MLS All Stars had two goals.
The one you differed on was how long Micah Parsons
will you have taken victory to VJ, which means the
swore now sits nineteen to eighteen.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
The pace chaser is right on your you know in
the fourth quarter, Man, give me the ball.

Speaker 10 (56:54):
I was.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Camp.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I mean, he showed up at camp and I'm thinking,
come on, all week long, I gone.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Look, and last night, when I'm gonna just click it
through my DVR, I said, oh, let me go to
NFL network to look at the camp stuff so I
can see the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
They see if Micah got and they kept going, kept
going by. Wait, I said, oh, no, Micah point for
visa because he's not gonna sign. And I was, I
literally was.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I was falling it all week long, especially because he
was in capinot the right.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
This an interview with DAGs right next to him.

Speaker 9 (57:28):
And you say that too, because I believe he also
called him Michael Parcy.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Did did you hear this?

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:34):
They called him Michael. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
This is like later in his life when Al Davis
introduced Lance Kiffin as his new coach.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Lance Kiffins.

Speaker 1 (57:47):
So you get a little older and the names going.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Gave Ferguson some brand.

Speaker 9 (57:52):
So it's like, yo, I was gonna say, no, I
think it's a matter of him getting old.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
This is just who he is, you.

Speaker 4 (57:58):
Know, Sanchez on Mexico, I'm a monkey.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah, I know, I want Mason Doyle. You know, I've
got an entire wall of this stuff. I've heard it all.

Speaker 9 (58:09):
And yes, okay, all right, we're gonna get on into
the bigs before you completely lose it.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
So we and we do got to.

Speaker 9 (58:18):
Cram a few in because we got to get some
NFL futures. But let's get the other ones out of
the way. Let's start with this. I just saw this
news Deon Sanders. This might be an easy one for
you rather but Deon Sanders is going to have a
press conference here on Monday. He's gonna be having it
along with his medical team.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
Very interesting.

Speaker 9 (58:37):
Yes, and I know he's had some medical issues here
for a while. And look, his sons are out of college.
So is there going to be a coaching vacancy at
Colorado by next week? Are we maybe looking at Dion
Sanders having a step away. So, in other words, the
total number of seasons. So I was going to take
here is a half Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Okay, what do you think, b do you like to
go first?

Speaker 3 (59:06):
This one was close in near and dear to me
what I think this could honestly be? Because I saw
this and I thought, oh wow, when I saw a
medical team, Steve, I'm like, okay, because he already had
it so amputated and he's had some some some help.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
So why would you bring a medical team to a
press conference?

Speaker 9 (59:21):
He wants to This is like general season questions as well,
but again, the medical team is going to be there.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Two yeah, yeah, I can't see him doing this to
step down, like step away like Lee, Maybe take a
medical leave for a while and have one of the
assistants and something.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
I mean, maybe that's not the question. What's the question?
What's the question? It is?

Speaker 9 (59:42):
It is coaching vacancies. Are we going to need a
new coach for Colorado?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (59:47):
And this is after come Monday, so after tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (59:50):
The Colorado gonna need a new head coach. No, No,
it's a really good question, Chris. I think that it
is something to look at. But my guess is the
reason that he's going to have medical people there is
that he wants people to assure those listening.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
That he is okay to coach.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
In other words, the questions are going to be you know,
if he came out and just said, I know you've
been hearing a lot of stuff. I'm fine, I'm good
to go, and they said, well, what are the doctors saying? Well,
now he's going to bring the doctors there. Yeah, so
I can't differ with j on this one. Yeah, Deon
Sanders will still be coaching Colorado this season.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
We'll keep an eye on it. Hope it's all for
the best job. But the reasons you gave are all sound.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Again with his sons out, I mean sort of like
mission accomplished.

Speaker 9 (01:00:43):
Yeah, I mean, and like look, people keep thinking upwards
and over. But like he's always kind of announced that
he wants to, you know, do college stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
But it was no surprise that guys like.

Speaker 9 (01:00:53):
Travis Hunter and Seer Sanders that was his focus and
they went with him to Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
If you were if you were going to announce that
you're gonna step down for medical reasons, you would not
bring a medical crew with you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
That's just something you would do on your own. All right,
So let's go.

Speaker 9 (01:01:11):
We actually have football to gamble on here, gentlemen, the
Hall of Fame game, and everyone says, oh, you should
have the eight hundred number around if you are gambling
on preseason football. Our Vegas guys will disagree and say,
you can make some great money on that. We are
going to get a first look at the Lions where
there have been multiple kid fights at camps, and the Chargers,

(01:01:31):
who are gearing up pretty well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
But hey, you know what, it's the Hall of Fame game.

Speaker 9 (01:01:35):
We have football in July, gentlemen, over under Hall of
Fame game point total thirty two and a half, thirty
two and.

Speaker 10 (01:01:41):
A half hunder whoa wha, wha, whoa whoa whoa official
line The Lions alone average more than that last season
per game.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Yeah, thirty None of those guys play on Thursday night.
Oh no, this is going over thirty two and a half.
Thirty two and a half. The score game is rot
know the score of his game is going to be
fifteen to nine. No, No, what Hall of Fame game
have you guys seen? To score? Go off the charts?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I didn't say it doesn't have to go on for
the charts twenty one fourteen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
It's the older body, the guys that they play. Half
of them will be cut the following week and the
other half will last another week until they are highlighting
your receipt six months from now, are trying to sign
you up the personal training at a gym.

Speaker 9 (01:02:29):
So we said thirty two and a half last year
between the Houston Texans and the Chicago Bears, that combined
points were thirty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Yeah, that's about were that thirty seven?

Speaker 11 (01:02:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Before that, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Under thirty two and a half, under twenty one fourteen, Yeah,
that's it, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
You going over over, over, all, right, over. This is
why I tied. This is where I tie it up.
That's right.

Speaker 9 (01:02:49):
This is where you call we got one more here
before that can help you either tie it up or
take the lead. Here, Tigers, my tigers, my tigers, good, good, gracious,
golly g villakers, my tigers. Tigers wins by next week
three and a half. I am setting the over under
this low because man, that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Didn't check yesterday, so I know they had a five
game losing stay all right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
And by the way, they're upright today game count, they're
up three zero.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
How many people know that the Toronto Blue Jays right
now had the best reckon in the American League.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Yep, Toronto out of nowhere besides Canadians. What happened here
in the wildcar right now?

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yeah? So, uh so three and a half wins this
week for the Tigers.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Over this for the first Yeah you got this first look?
So they played this way? Where do they played this way? Course?

Speaker 9 (01:03:40):
So I think today is their last game against the
Blue Jays, and now I have to BLUs this up
to see who's I will look at it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I will, I will come up with the answer. Are
you ready here? VJ? Just give me one second here
and I'm going to ring this up here. I know
my Rangers are a bottom one right now and with.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
The loving Okay, so right now for the Tigers, like
you say, they finish up with the Blue Jays, and
now the rest of their schedule for the week here
we go. So they have uh three games at home
against Arizona Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then they had to Philadelphia.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
It'll just be those four games.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Thursday, they don't play Thursday, so there's only five games
because Sunday's game will be uh won't be here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
It'll be Sunday night, bascunt. Today's game but we're counting
today's game. So yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
Six games, so one day home, then they have three
at home against Arizona, then three at Philms.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
So four I was going, I was gonna say, because
now you're asking them to go four and two over
the next six after the five games.

Speaker 2 (01:04:41):
Two and a half, let me set it at two
and a half over. Yeah, thank you, that's better over.
Oh that's that's fifty to fifty over the next six.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
I'll take that over there four twol over the next
six after a five game losing street.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Well, I put it this way, if you had three
and a half, you would have gone.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
Under probably even though they're up three all today. I'll
take the odds two and a half. I get one
today right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:05):
What is this?

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
If you go three and a half and go under,
I would go three and a half and go over.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
So I'm giving you more big and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Because at two and a half you said over, I'd
say over and then's just a wash. But if you
take it at three and a half and take the under,
I'll take the over.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
You're not gonna try to swindle me when I'm on
this fourth quarter. Comeback at you right now, nice, try
hard man, but it ain't.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Rocking like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
All right, two and a half? IM going over all right,
but I would have gone over three and a half.

Speaker 9 (01:05:37):
Well, get ready for this because we've got three big,
big Chungo NFL season futures to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
All right, but first let's find out what is trending
right now. I always know exactly what time it is
when I look at Moncei at this time, because she's
holding court.

Speaker 7 (01:05:58):
I'm holding court. Well, you guys are playing around with
Christopher fat exactly exactly how's that going? Who's winning.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Is?

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Nineteen eighty? I have a one point lead.

Speaker 7 (01:06:09):
Four.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
I told you fourth quarter color. By the way, by
the way, I understand this. Eleven Let me say this.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
I was up eleven and seven and Chris found this
mysterious paper in the car. Carview the paper, and all
of a sudden I was down four. I'm like, oh no,
I was up eleven seven. I came back down. But
you know what, no problem, no problem?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
Problem are you saying this?

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I understand that Moncey as Moncey and I did our
show together, and she beat me head to head and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
I had to get it to get well. My point
is no problem.

Speaker 1 (01:06:40):
I had never beaten anybody, had to head in anything
in all my years. So if you were to be
the first to beat lose to me, you would live
an infamy, honestly. So I told that to Mony, and
Mony ran circles around me with our picks, and he.

Speaker 7 (01:06:54):
Kept trying to change the rules.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
Listen, these two guys, I says against like three weeks ago,
these two dives this wait wait wait wait.

Speaker 7 (01:07:06):
Yeah, no, I I I understand. I would be Jason.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
I tried, I literally try to change the rules over
to try to make a loser on. I kept digging
a bigger and bigger, and.

Speaker 7 (01:07:21):
I just went for I was like, okay, we can
do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
She was like, what, No, doesn't matter what rules you
put out, it's going to be a loser.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Shoulders shrug. Whatever it lives right now, it's got the dies.
You don't change the rules.

Speaker 1 (01:07:36):
You have no idea how many people have gotten rich
off my picks.

Speaker 8 (01:07:40):
Going the other sure, I'm unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I've had people literally saying, dude, you have literally put
me an early retirement.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. Keep making pics. You would they
pick what they picked the opposite of what you say or.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
The way, always okay, always well, he's gonna happened to
you again.

Speaker 7 (01:08:01):
Can't wait, can't wait for the start of the NFL season,
and I think Rashaun Slater can't start. Can't wait for
the start of the NFL season. The Chargers and their
left tackle agreed on a four year, one hundred and
fourteen million dollar contract extension. It includes a record ninety
two million guaranteed, making him the highest paid offensive lineman
in NFL history. Cowboys tight end Jake Ferguson has signed

(01:08:21):
a four year, fifty two million dollar extension. Dolphin safety
InKo Fitzpatrick has agreed to a revised contract, adding a
sixteen million dollars signing botus to his deal. They're still
negotiating a multi year contract extension. Terry McLaurin did report
to Commander's training camp, ending his holdout without a contract extension.
He was placed on the physically unable to perform list
due to an ankle injury. Forty nine Ers announced that

(01:08:44):
they have activated wide receiver Ricky Pearsall from the physically
unable to perform list. In a baseball it's all Pirates
so far against the Diamondbacks four zero Top of the
eighth inning, Orioles have a four to one lead over
the Rockies. Bottom of the sixth inning. The Dodgers are
now topping the Red Sox three to one. Top of
the fifth. Billies have cut their deficit to just one
run against the Yankees. It's four to three bottom of

(01:09:05):
the fifth. In the Bronx, the Reds are still edging
the Rays two to one. Top of the eighth inning.
Tigers trying to snap their six game losing their six
game losing streak in right now they are up on
the Blue Jays three zero, bottom of the seventh inning.
At home. Cubs are beating the White Sox two to one.
Top of the six inning, Marlins, who have won four
in a row, right now on top of the Brewers
two to one after five innings. Nationals with the seven

(01:09:26):
to two lead over the Twins top of the six,
and the Padres are just all over the Cardinals seven zero,
top of the fifth, Rangers all over the Braves eight one,
bottom of the third.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
Back to you guys, all right, mon scenes, Yeah, she
knows the truth, but Vj's finding out things all the
time on this show, that's for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
Thank you, Montie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
All right back to the perfet picks NFL Futures times.

Speaker 9 (01:10:13):
Since you guys have been talking about Caleb Williams, just
let's rip the band aid ra off right now. When
Vegas really wants you to believe the Chicago height because
the Bears season total is set at eight.

Speaker 2 (01:10:25):
And a half under under.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Something is screwy with that line. I told you, man,
you look at than the people in Chicago. Think about this.
The Lions won fifteen games last year, they're over unders
ten and a half. The Vikings won fourteen games, they're
over unders nine and a half. The Packers won eleven games,
they're over unders nine and a half. And the Bears

(01:10:49):
won what five games last year? For the five and
twelve four and thirteen. Uh and they're over unders eight
and a half. Something is screwy with that line.

Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
Nothing's they're believing.

Speaker 9 (01:11:03):
What money everyone every year the Bears win the offseason
every year, the entire president.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
And that's why going to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
And that's why eber Flues was the favorite, the betting favorite.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
To be NFL Coach of the Year going into last season.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
Mark they're buying into They're buying into this Ben Johnson thing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
That is what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
I don't have a problem with the Ben Johnson thing.
But and yes I'm a schedule guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I don't care. Oh you know what those getting. Okay,
we can go off with the players they have.

Speaker 3 (01:11:29):
If they look at but Bikeens, Lions, Cowboys, Raiders, and
Commanders to start, that's their first five.

Speaker 1 (01:11:37):
Okay, I'm gonna do this because again, the obvious play
here is under right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:43):
I mean, you're like eight, they're under. They're going to
go nine and eight.

Speaker 1 (01:11:46):
No, and you're like no, But something tells me this,
I'm gonna go opposite of what everything.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
I believe in. I'm gonna go over on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I have no explanation other than somebody knows something that
I don't know, and somehow the Bears.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
Sneak out with a winning rackets. Someone knows something.

Speaker 9 (01:12:05):
It's just that this is a line meant for people
in Chicago to bet on their own team, just like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
They do Detroit some but the bottom line is, forget
Bears fans.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
You see that line, Everyone's gonna pound me under their own.
And not only that, there's another stretch in the middle of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
The season at the Ravens at the Bengals homemige Is
and Gigants at the Viking.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Steelers at the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
That's that's October and the first week get to November something.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
They don't lose money in Vegas, right, so they put
out a number that looks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
So out of whack. Something tells me that they they
they're onto something here. So I'm gonna go over.

Speaker 9 (01:12:39):
Well's glad you brought up the Giants there, as you
are also wearing the g Man cap in there, because
that is our next team, VJ who we just declared
Russell Wilson is the starter.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So the Giants win total is five and a half.
I'll go first on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:12:55):
Wow under by the way, I mean Russell Wilson will
be the quarterback for maybe I don't know, three games.
The question is, are they gonna put Jackson Dart in immediately?
Are gonna throw Jamis Winston in for a while, especially
if they get off to a really bad start. Are
you gonna make your rookie of sacrificial lamb and destroy him?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
No, jameson, James Wilsland will be the number I would agree.

Speaker 1 (01:13:17):
And then what happened is if they put Jameis Winston in,
they'll release Russell Wilson released.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
I mean, there's nothing, There's no reason want Jamas Winston
because you want to take So.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
They're gonna give Russell Wilson. If it doesn't work, he'll
get released. Then they'll go with Jamis Winston eventually.

Speaker 3 (01:13:32):
John under the Giants could be in the Arch sweepstakes.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
They really could.

Speaker 3 (01:13:38):
Even after they're taking Jackson, they can be in the
Arch because let me ask you a questions.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
If they don't what the number one overall pick, do
you not take Arch because you have Jackson Dart? Let
me ask you this now.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
The argument about why Brian Dable is still there is
they keep keep changing coaches every two years, like they've
had four in a row. Dad, So they decided to
break that cycle. But if indeed your play for the
number one overall pick in arch Manning, why would you
make a coaching change now? Why don't you bring in
a French coach when he draft arch Manning and start

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new to the fire Davila which is uh, but they're
not because this is a sacrificial.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
What's this over under again?

Speaker 9 (01:14:15):
Chris five and a half? And I will say this, like,
put all that aside. Some of this roster is really good.
They've got some good receivers and Milik Naghbors showed for
so promise and like their defense, that front seven on
that defense is they play solid like Ryan Burns, Dexter Lawrence, like.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Their cave on. Oh, let's not forget about that. Kids.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
But once again, I go to the schedule at the Commanders,
at the Cowboys, Chiefs, Chargers and Eagles. Five of the
first six opponents, I mean these are perennial.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
It's a low number.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
Then it's by the way, as we get close to
the season, that would be a good over under. How
many games will Russell Wilson start exactly?

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Okay, that's down the road. I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:14:57):
They have these other players. Man, this is a tough
one for me, honestly, because you made the point. We
have the point about Russell Wilson, which you made a point.
He's got weapons to get the balls, right, just get
the balls. Big Pigs is a big time he is
a superstar.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
And to make it. Yeah, but you the ball, you
know what, I'll take the over? Wow wow, Okay, one
more than I can see him. Six and a love
super quick one. We only got a minute to do
this one.

Speaker 9 (01:15:20):
In minutes all I really need on the Jacksonville Jaguars
and extremely forgettable team. And I'm sorry at this point,
I cannot believe in Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Their wind total is set at six and a half. Oh,
I'm going over on this one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:33):
I think that Travis Hunter wills have some kind of
impact as a rookie. I don't think Trevor Lawrence is
a completely lost cause they play in a woefully weak division.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
The Colts don't actually have a quarterback. Right now, I
know I will go over that on Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Of course, that's the team I think Chris Pickton will
go to the Super Bowl year ago.

Speaker 3 (01:15:54):
I gotta go under because I just don't believe it.
Trevor Lawrence is jump right through that glass. I just don't.
I don't, I don't. I don't believe that Trevor Lawrence.
AFC is loaded. They have a woeful division. But the
Texas played defense. The coach play defense.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
The Bengals, they got the Texas earlier, they got they're
at the Niners. They got the cheese, they got some
tough they had some tough guys, some tough team.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Yeah. I got the nine, six and eleven team. I
don't think I think we'll get to I haven't that
give me? Yeah? Yeah, put the nice off finant week.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
That's what they were last year, six and eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yeah, that was last year. This is the show, and
we already did the forty nine ers and Steve actually
went over at the right under side, all right, good stuff.
What were you over under?

Speaker 6 (01:16:39):
On?

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
He was over Jackson, I'm under, I'm under under.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
Okay, Love, I was over okay coming up on the
other side again, the quarterback. The VJ will talk about
ad nauseum all season long, and you have yet to
hear his name uttered. On today's show, who is it?
You'll find out? This is Fox Sports Sunday Hartman and

(01:17:03):
Husky Fox Sports Sunday right here in our Fox Sports
Radio studios.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
Well again, we are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Finally ready to embark on another football season in the
weeks ahead. Obviously preseason football. The problem again with preseason football.
You know, you get a little novelty like Thursday will
all be huddled up, and then you you watch the
Lions and Chargers parade out a bunch of players you
never even heard of, and then you're like, oh, wow,

(01:17:35):
we're going to do this for the next few weeks. Yeah,
you're going to do that for a couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
How much you're going to watch? Oh, I'll watch how much?
I think it depends on how the game goes. I
think you owe me.

Speaker 3 (01:17:46):
Why is that because you made me watch the entire
All Star Game, and I watched the entire Major League
Baseball All Star Game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Well, well, that's almost like a preseason because you do
have a lot of anonymous players.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
I didn't watch the whole All Star Game, but you
made me do it. Okay, so let me think, let's
see Big Brothers on that night I watched Big brother
Do you really watch that?

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
I am because my son does, and so people that
I know watch it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
And is that one guilty pleasure? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:18:19):
Now, well, actually a friend of mine got me back
on Survivor for I hadn't watched that for years.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I had not watched that. I don't watch any of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
So I get hooked in and yeah, big brother, it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Is. It's on Wednesday third, But it's only an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:18:37):
I'll watch most of the game because I'm curious now
that we are on opposite sites on the over under,
I need.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
That over Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
So we were talking at the very start of the
show about overplaying things that are happening in the.

Speaker 2 (01:18:51):
Preseason, which I get.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Look, you know you're assigned to be covering a team.
You're also means you got to come up with some
kind of storyline and all of a sud and something
doesn't look right and you got to report it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:03):
Now, the question is how much does that actually matter?
That's you leave it up to the audience.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
I get that. All that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
So that being said, there is one team in training
camp right now and they've made a change at quarterback
and so far early on, things are looking good. Now,
the question again is does that matter one week in
a training camp. Well, with this particular quarterback. It matters

(01:19:33):
very much to one VJ.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Husky.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
So reveal to all of us a name that you
will be repeating at nauseum, week after week after week
after week from your standpoint only in glowing terms.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Who is that quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
Well, there's two guys, y'all go here for me, but
probably the main one other than my guys. My boys
should do.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
No, I don't want to hear your door. Yeah, we
don't even know if he's going to play.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Yeah, that's what you guys are hoping for. No, Yeah,
that's what you're hoping for. But of course, man, it's
gonna be my man Ooso, It's gonna be my man
oos It's gonna be oos I mean, could be Jayalen Hurts.
They got a few names, Man, which one you want
at nauseum?

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
You said that nauseum though there's only one quarterback you're
going to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Jay Jay McCarthy. You are going to mention his name over.

Speaker 3 (01:20:27):
And oh, I was trying to stay away from it
because I already showed you that showed you the video.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
I was trying to stay away from it. McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
All right, So again the Vikings won fourteen games. Well,
a guy that a lot of people thought was never
going to be an impact quarterback in this league, Sam Darnald,
and he had a tremendous regular season till that last
game against the last three weeks, yeah, last week's So
I ask you, do you believe that JJ McCarthy will

(01:20:56):
come anywhere near matching the numbers that Sam Darnald put up?

Speaker 3 (01:20:59):
A y what he might pass those numbers. He's a
better He's a better quarterback. Stop playing with me, Man
about my man? JJ, Hey JJ, call me dog, call
me JJ. I got your back over here, Man, I
got your back. Why, guys, Hey, I got your back.

Speaker 2 (01:21:15):
JJ.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
He's got too many weapons to get the ball to Steve,
He's got too many weathers to get the ball to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
You're saying that he's a passenger on a luxury lineup.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
No, he's just gonna put the ball where it needs
to be, like Kurt Warner used to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Do, oh zing.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Don't worry about that. No hall of fame for him.
Just having all kinds of fun here on another Loaded
Sports Sunday, Fox Sports Sunday. Once again, we are here
in the Fox Sports radio studios, like all of you
out there, are excited about the start of the NFL season.
It's all Hall of Fame Day today in Major League Baseball,

(01:21:52):
and then next Saturday is the Hall of Fame enshrinement
for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
I want to add about that for a second here, VJ.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Because you know, the last few years people have been
sort of complaining that there are too many inductees into
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. They were getting up
to like classes of eight, and this year they decided
we're going to change the rules slightly to make it
more difficult to get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
I know a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Were you one of those people that assumed that Eli
Manning was going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Not first ballot.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
I think he's a Hall of Famer, And I've gotten
into that discussion with tons of people that say no,
and I'm like, well, you know, top top twelve, I believe,
or top ten in the area as far as his
touchdown passes, and he is the two rings against the goat,
you know, the starting streak.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
That he had.

Speaker 3 (01:22:48):
I just I think he's a Hall of Fame, not
first ballot, and it wouldn't bother me if it took
Eli like another five years to get in, I just
think that he's going to be a Hall of Fame
quarterback at some point.

Speaker 2 (01:22:57):
But I'm also going by Steve what I've been seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
You can't let some of these other guys in and
then tell me he doesn't deserved to be in. But
we talked about receivers last week, and it took Ark
Monk Fevor to get in. Art Monk should have been in,
but he finally got in. But it took forever for
Art Monk.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
The gay well Art Monk.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Okay, this comes down to the argument again about and
And it's interesting when you talk to players, ye, longevity.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Matters to them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
So in other words, if you are a good player
but for a long period of time time, man, you're good.
You're never dominant, but you're a good player for a
long time. That resonates with other players because you play
the game.

Speaker 2 (01:23:45):
And if you if you're.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Able to play fifteen sixteen, you know, like Marcedes Lewis
right right, who is still out there active? I mean
it's like seventeen eighteen years playing in the NFL. Now,
for the most part of Mercedes Loo he's not an
All Pro. You know, he's been more of a blocker
than a receiver, which is why he's been able to

(01:24:09):
extend his career. But that argument whether someone like that
is a Hall of Famer seems to resonate more with players.

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
When I look at the Hall of Fame, there's my
own personal view on it. Hall of Fame, well, it
could be any Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
When I look at at some point of your career,
you have to have been acknowledged to be one of
the best. And when I say one of the best,
not top ten, top three, there's my cutoff right there.
At some point at your position, you need to have

(01:24:43):
been recognized as one of the three best in your
time at that position, so that this is something. And
so like, for instance, Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis got in
the Hall of Fame, he basically played four years right,
and then he got hurt. He tagged on three years
where he was nowhere near anything. He had yards, so

(01:25:07):
he had four dominating and then remember after he got hurt,
Denver kept pluging him running back after running back, and
they were they were all productive.

Speaker 3 (01:25:16):
Maybe we weren't two thousand yard guys, but they were
fifteen hundred yard backs though.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
But Terrell Davis was not only a regular season MVP,
was a Super Bowl MVP. They won two Super Bowls.
There's no doubt John Elway would be first tell you
it wasn't for Dreell Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
He would never put a ring on yep. Okay. So
that to me says Hall of Fame.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Can you tell the history of the NFL without Terrell
Davis's run. I don't want to get in an extended
thing with Kurt Warner, but it's a similar situation. I mean,
you know, if you have a short term run. This year,
one of the inductees is Sterling Shark. He only played
seven years. He was dominant. Five Pro Bowls, legit, none

(01:25:57):
of those you know, alternate you know things, three time
first team All Pro twice, broke the NFL record for
receptions in the season, and his last year he had
eighteen touchdowns. That to me screams Hall of Fame. You
were a dominant player, even if it was for a
short time. This was the argument for Sandy Kofax back
in the day in baseball. There were people upset about

(01:26:18):
Kofax because he had a very short run, but he
was so dominant.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
You couldn't deny him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Imagine if Sho hey o Tani never played another game,
would you keep him out of the Hall of Fame?
Of course not. It's a Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
So's that's Mario. So how do you feel about the whole?

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
See the thing about Eli Manning when you talk about
those career numbers, he never led the league in anything
other than interceptions, which he led three times and so,
but you accumulate numbers because he started a lot of games,
and he played a long time, and he never led
the league in anything in a regular season. He did
win the two Super Bowls, so did Jim plunk it,

(01:26:55):
by the way, But I want to know your criteria
in judging a career in terms of acknowledging that that
individual should be quote unquote immortalized in a Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
Well, number one for me is where you're a winner.
That's got to be number one. Did you win Number two?

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
We're your numbers.

Speaker 3 (01:27:18):
But I have my own custom number three. Reason and
once again, impact and put the tape on and the
guy I always go to you and I have had
this discussion already before Bo Jackson four years to get
to the NFL who was twenty five only had nine
hundred and sixty as is high. But when you put

(01:27:41):
the tape on, he is easily one of the top
five running backs and one of the top ten to
fifteen NFL athlete players of all time. If you just
put the tape on now, if you want to go
to the numbers, just make sure you mentioned the fact

(01:28:01):
that he had to get through baseball first. If you
go to the numbers, just make sure you mentioned effect
that and his own words on bow nose is thirty
for thirty bow nose by the mothership. He literally said
his first love was track, then was baseball, and football
was something to do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
And you believe the man when he said it, which
means that who says that? Who says football was something
to do?

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
And I can literally show up on a Tuesday afternoon
with my equipment, get put in the backfield, in the huddle,
break the huddle, hand me the ball in seventy yards
here we go. I walked out here with a juice
box in the mini bag of Dorito's.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
I'm ready. That was Bo Jackson, but he's not in
the hall.

Speaker 3 (01:28:44):
When you talk about a guy like Torell Davis, you
talk about longevity. Longevity to me is good, like you said,
it works for good players, but not till once again,
as you say, not to get into a lothing about
Kurt Warner. He had four or five good seasons like
that was. It wasn't ten, twelve, fifteen, but people thought
he was good enough for the short period of time

(01:29:05):
We got to see him to put him in the hall, saying.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
With a guy like Terrell Davis.

Speaker 3 (01:29:09):
But then you see a guy like Antonio Gates, who's
the all time leading touchdown catching tight ends, and for
some reason, Devin Hester gets in before him, and he's
a kick returner. Like it's just it's kind of weird
how they do it. But I don't mind how certain
guys get in. Certain guys Sterling Sharp should have been

(01:29:29):
in the Hall of Fame if.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
You think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Sterling Sharp's last year was what ninety three, ninety four,
I think ninety.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
Four k thirty one years later, you put this guy
in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (01:29:43):
You gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:44):
That is crazy when we all know Sterling Sharp, before
home Grimm and Farv got there, carried the packers like
he carried them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
He had the man man, throw it to McGill, don.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
Mkowski throwing him the football guys. He and there's a
guy that really missed out with an injury. On as
far as what this franchise then took off to do,
because remember they were dominated in the sixties, they were washed.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
The seventies and eighties, and all he got far.

Speaker 3 (01:30:14):
At the beginning of far even if they at the
beginning coming from Atlanta. Okay, but that, by the way,
here's the other thing about Sterling won Super Bowls in
his seven years in Green Bay.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
He started every single game. They did not miss a
singer the game. And then he hurt the neck and
that was the end of it. Eighteen touchdowns in his
last year, uh Man back to back years ninety two
to ninety three, broke the single season record held by
Art Monk most receptions in the year, right, I mean
so no, no, I did take him this line. I
put it this way, Sterling Sharp was a better player

(01:30:44):
than Shannon Sharp by far.

Speaker 2 (01:30:47):
They wouldn't even close. By far. What it wasn't even close.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
And the only reason why we know who Shannon Sharp
is as it continues today, is because of his TV career.
He just stopped playing and then never did television. Shannon
Sharp went not be a guy. We would be talking.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
By the way, I got to share a side story
with you about Shannon Sharp, and we mentioned Antonio Gates.
So remember late in his career, Antonio Gates got suspended
for something, something he took right and said, and he
even came forward about saying, you know, he was unaware
whatever it was. So we're talking about it, and you know,

(01:31:23):
I'm based in San Diego at this point, and all
of a sudden, the producer gets in my ear.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
We have Shannon Sharp on the phone.

Speaker 1 (01:31:34):
I go, what, okay, you're sure, Shannon, and he's like, yeah,
I hit Shannon Sharp. I said, all right, well join
us right now, the Hall of Famer, Shannon Sharp. Shannon,
thanks for joining us. You want to have something. And
he comes on and he goes, you know, and you know,
Shannon start, but he goes, that eliminates Gates from the
Hall of Fame. That just eliminated Antonio Gates from the

(01:31:59):
Hall of Fame. And I'm like, what I mean? Was
he dripping with jealousy that Antonio Gates shattered all of
his records or whatever records he thought he had or
whatever it was was he calls in on a show.

Speaker 2 (01:32:14):
I didn't ask him to call. I don't even know.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
I guess we give out a number, right went he
don't take calls, and Shannon Sharp called to say, yeah, well,
Antonio Gates just got eliminated from the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (01:32:26):
Well he's the all time leading tight end with touchdown.
So there's enough enough guy play. I almost wanted to
hang up on the guy. Immedi said, when you're in
the Hall of Fame and Sterling's not in the Hall
of Fame. My thing is with the Hall of famers,
Like I said, put the tape on with some of
these guys some longevity.

Speaker 2 (01:32:42):
It works, like you said, it works for good play.
Like you mentioned earlier right clicko with Mark Gaston.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
One those guys, Lecco had a shorter career because he
had injury.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Right, he was a dominant play.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
He was another guy that took the Seniors Committee in
a short period. Absolutely, he was an All Pro at
three positions, as a nose tackle, as a defensive end,
and as a defensive tackle.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
So what about a guy that Eric Allen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:08):
The longevity works for him because he was not ever
the best corner in football. I agree with him, but
he was a good to great corner for ten plus years.

Speaker 2 (01:33:17):
Well and on an island.

Speaker 1 (01:33:19):
And as I've said one hundred times, I mean, Eric
Allen is literally one of my favorite and for years
and years and years. You know, he came out of
the state. He's from San Diego, so that's how real
he got. He told me that, you know, early in
his career, he remembered, you know, on my station down there,
he's with the Eagles and the Saints' courts, finished up
with the Raiders. I remember his next to last year

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with the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
This was a.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Thirty five year old cornerback. Three interception returns for touchdowns.
Is a pig, said that, and he you know, but
I always thought he's one of those guys that's gonna
fly under the radar.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
He didn't win a Super Bowl, you know, everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
So when he finally got the call this year, I mean,
this is a guy that you know, hammered out fourteen
seasons on the corner and only one year did he.

Speaker 2 (01:34:03):
Miss him in a game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
So he was durable, he was consistent, and I'm so
happy he's right there with me.

Speaker 3 (01:34:09):
With a guy like Rod Woodson, you know, there's no
big Rod Woodson. Woodson was a pick six guy also too,
but he had the longevity of being good to great
for what Rod Woodson though was never quite was never
said the best corner in football because he played during
a guy named Deon Sanders this time.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Well, Darryl Green played twenty years there it is, so
that was one of those guys like an art monk
Charlie Joyner as a wide receiver of the Chargers where
they accumulated numbers dominant, but there weren't a lot of
individual seasons where they were like the guy. They were
rewarded for being consistent over a long period of down.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Tim Brown other one just just consistent for years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:52):
And he largely Yeah, a lot of guys like large
one was the all time lady receiver when he retired.

Speaker 3 (01:34:57):
So I don't know, everyone's got a little different criteria
when it comes to the Hall. Do you think all
times something gets you in? Because you mentioned that about
larger and larger as that's the reason he's a Hall
of Fame. I think he's a Hall of Famer because
the guy was just consistent for ten twelve straight years,
like like the only thing that we had in Seattle
other than you know, some of the quarterbacks there from
time to time, the Blades brothers up there and the Cortes,

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Kennedy and those guys.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
I told you this before.

Speaker 1 (01:35:23):
When you know, we we played the Seahawks every year obviously,
and they they had our number.

Speaker 2 (01:35:28):
Up in Seattle, the Old King.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
Really we had back to back years the Raiders lost
thirty three to three and thirty seven nothing up there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:35):
Wow, they're about that.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
So Lester Hayes was, you know, is another guy that
should be in the Hall of Fame. He's been a
finalist several times. But anyway, Judge was he hated playing
against large and I go, what was it? He goes,
they could be running a straight off tackle play. Now
I'm just I'm just a focused on I'm not watching there.
I'm I'm on larger.

Speaker 2 (01:35:55):
He would run out every row every play. I can't
block you, so I'm just gonna take you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
So I'm sitting there and I'm like, you know, and
this guy's running a pattern everything else. The play's already
over because they run an off tackle play.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
It's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (01:36:11):
You know, a lot of receivers are if it's an
off tackle. They never get off the last how receivers
are nowadays. Yeah, no, they did it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
But he would run out the pattern every single.

Speaker 3 (01:36:24):
Time because he wasn't big, so he wasn't going to
block a lot of corners. So I'm going to run
my route and make you think that it's a pass
play just to take you away from it's as good
as a block by running you off.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
So yeah, I'm with you there with large it man. Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
On the other side, guess what else is coming up?
Baseball trade deadline? Oh, joy, buyers, sellers. That's really the question.
When is it time to throw in the towel and
admit this ain't going to be our year? Got some
teams on the bubble will break down the winners and

(01:37:03):
the losers. This is Fox Sports Sunday, Harvin and Husky,
Fox Sports Sunday Live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
All right, so we have the Hall of Fame game
coming up on Thursday, which is also, by the way,
Trey deadline in Major League Baseball. So every team right

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now on the bubble has to take a long look
in the mirror, long look in the mirror, and say,
are we legitimate contenders to make a run to the
postseason or is this season effectively over. That's the big
question because again, there are teams that are at the
top trying to I mean, any team right now that

(01:37:48):
is on their way to the postseason is looking for
any edge, anything they can add to their roster to
help that run to the finish line. Right So, let
me talk about a bubble team right now. Not be
thinking about this team, but I'm thinking.

Speaker 2 (01:38:01):
About this, and I guess first.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
It's an AL team.

Speaker 3 (01:38:06):
A bubble team that you would think right now, I'll
take a swing Twins.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Tins would be a good question. But my thought is
the Rangers. You know what, I know what?

Speaker 10 (01:38:18):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:38:20):
I love giddy do y'all hear it? Is all right?
They're on a five game winning streak. They're half game
out of.

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
The wild card right now, and you're watching the Red Sox,
by the way, suddenly beating the Dodgers, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:38:31):
All right, So I'll leave the Rangers out of it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:34):
But the American League is interesting because you got the
Raised three games out, the Guardians are three games out,
the Royals are four and a half out, the Twins
are five, and the Angels five and a half. So
the Orioles, Athletics, White Sox, they're out. So those teams though,
even the Angels five, I know they're playing bad baseball.
I know the Angels are sellers. Yes, okay, Twins are sellers. See.

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
My thing with the Twins is they were playing well
and then went through some injuries, and I just think,
if you get if, if they can get, I mean
think about rotation and one more games left, yes, and
one more bat if they can get, then one more bat.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
I think I think they can make a move.

Speaker 3 (01:39:15):
But I think anybody below them, you know what, all right,
my cutoff line will be the Twins, Twins and down
they're done.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:39:21):
It's interesting that because the timing is so beautiful in
baseball for the trade deadline, because it's right at the
two thirds mark. You still have a third of a
season left, right, you know, when you when you start
a season. I love this breakdown, and there has been
few exceptions to this. One hundred and sixty two games.
Every team's going to win fifty four and every team's
going to lose fifty four. It's the other fifty four

(01:39:44):
games that decide how your season's going to go. Right, Okay,
So it's it's a it's a beautiful cutoff, like if
it was at the end of August, well, and then
then you know this, it's a whole different dynamic. So
that's a lot of players. Now if you look at
the same bar in the National League, very similar situation.
Giants are two out, Cardinals two and a half, Marlin's five,

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Diamondbacks five and a.

Speaker 3 (01:40:08):
Half, and it cuts right there because the Braids are
about to get swept by the Ring Brays, Pirates, Nationals.

Speaker 1 (01:40:13):
Rocke, Yeah, can you believe the Rockies are fifty games
will low five hundred? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
I can, because they've been terrible all year. Lost eighteen
to nothing yesterday to the Orioles.

Speaker 3 (01:40:21):
I saw that, but eighteen to nothing, and I think
they still might have got a shot to get that record.
I don't think they will now they're winning some games
here and there, start to score some runs like they
want to be professional. But in the National League though,
from my cutoff, I think I cut it off at
the Cardinals Marlin's right now. I know there's fifty something
games less, but five games out of the wild card

(01:40:43):
is is a tall hill to climb because you still
have the three wildcard teams right now, and the brew Crew,
the Phillies and the Padres. And then you still have
the Reds that just are half a game out, and
you have the San Francisco Giants that are two and
a half out. But if San Francis goes somehow or
to Padre somehow catch the Dodgers. Now you have a

(01:41:03):
powerful Dodger team as a wild card, and they're not
going to lose a bunch of games. So I'll cut
the line off with them at about the Cardinals.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Anybody outside of that, anything else to have three? I
agree the wild card.

Speaker 1 (01:41:17):
You know, you don't have an out in the American
League Royals, Twins, Angels out out, Guardian Rangers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Yeah, money and the Rangers will be in it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
And then on the Nation League side, Cardinals, Giants, and Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
I need the Dodger to come back right now.

Speaker 3 (01:41:32):
And because you have to leave over bodies right exactly
whole point and playing well ahead of you, they would
all have to pull a US open in the final
round and all fall down, so one guy can act
like he came back and won it.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
By the way, the Dodgers right now, the Dodgers have
been very fortunate because the entire divisions playing lousy baseball.
I don't know how the Giants have hung on? How
about Verlander took right start?

Speaker 2 (01:42:03):
Wait? How does that go? I we are talking.

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
Yesterday's I mean it was he was zero and eight
with eight no decisions and sixteen starts and he was
still out there out there just we get you know,
it's like, wow, Okay, Rolls done a great job there.

Speaker 3 (01:42:20):
I'm sorry, but real fast. The AL team to throw
at you, what's up? What the Yankees right now? Remember
we've been talking to First.

Speaker 1 (01:42:26):
Of all, you have no Garrett Cole for the entire
seat right and then the io now right, And that's
a big problem because we don't know I mean, they're
they're talking about. It's the kind of injury where he
could return as a DH. Okay, well what are you
gonna do with Stanton?

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
Okay, that's the only that's the only position Stanton com play, right,
because you can't.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Put him on the diamond. He can't put him anywhere. No,
he's a d ah rarely.

Speaker 1 (01:42:50):
So if you're gonna have to use that DH spot on, judge,
the Yankees are behind the eight ball from the get go.
When your Ace goes down before the season begins. That
that's hard, that's real hard to overcome. So I wilso
like the Dodgers. Right by the way, the Dodgers made
an announcement today as show hey Otani continues to add innings.

Speaker 2 (01:43:10):
Now they're ready to put.

Speaker 1 (01:43:11):
Him in the rotation, like as a legitimate starter, meaning
that he's going to pitch more than two or three innings.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
But they're going to go with a six man rotation.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
Well, that's that's a problem because that means you've got
guys going out there on a regular rotation basis.

Speaker 2 (01:43:28):
That suck.

Speaker 1 (01:43:30):
Okay, when you're a team where you're starting pitchers have
averaged the fewest innings of any team in baseball, meaning
your bullpen has logged more innings than any.

Speaker 2 (01:43:39):
Other team in baseball.

Speaker 1 (01:43:41):
The Dodgers are trying desperately to make several moves on
the trade deadline. They need back end bullpen help. Tanner
Scott's been a bust. Now he's on the injury They
have twelve pitchers on the injury list right now.

Speaker 2 (01:43:53):
They're hoping that Snell's going to finally come back.

Speaker 1 (01:43:55):
He started two games before he got shelved they're hoping
Roki Sasaki, who was the over betting favored to be
Rookie of the Year. He looked terrible with the Dodgers
this year. They're hoping he's going to come back strong.
But what are you willing to give up? See that's
the other question, exactly when you're on the bubble and
you're ready to gut your farm system to bring in
a player that you think is going to take you

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across the finish line, and if it doesn't happen to
end up with a double loss, they should be able to.

Speaker 2 (01:44:21):
Hold off the rest of the n West.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
They should be able to hold off the rest of
everybody else. If you look at each team in that
division in the last ten, Dodgers five and five, Padres
four and six, the Giants are two and eight, they've
just fallen off lately, and then the d Backs, who
you're a team you're mentioning the al five plus more
out of the wild car five and five and in

(01:44:44):
a course to the do you.

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
Realize if the Dodgers lose this game to the Red Sox,
it's four to three right now in the seven the
Red Sox, they're going to drop to the fourth best
record in the National League behind the Cubs, Brewers, and Mets.

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
Yeah, but the Dodgers are to me like one of
those teams. They have championship mental now they've been there.
They don't have they don't have to finish these but
they don't have to finish with the number one seed
in the NL playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:45:09):
The Dodgers are our team. They've just got to get there,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:45:12):
We need to find out from somebody very close to
the situation right now. Let's find out what is trending.
So Mansie, what is your months He's had a long
time association with the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (01:45:23):
What's your dodge its what?

Speaker 1 (01:45:26):
What are your expectations for this week leading up to
the trade deadline?

Speaker 2 (01:45:30):
The Dodgers is.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
Going to make a bunch of deals? Are they going
to Stan Pat? Would you got your farm system to
try to get a player or two? That's going to
be the difference in you know, because now that you've
set the bar, it's either win it all or the
season is a bust. I mean, how would you handle

(01:45:52):
this if you're the Dodgers?

Speaker 7 (01:45:53):
Where the trade a loaded question?

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Of course it is. I only ask ask questions.

Speaker 7 (01:45:58):
One is not going to make the difference. Yeah, you
could use the third basement, but so can everyone else
on their mom everyone else is going for Heno swat Is.
We could use the third basement.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
But how about a closer.

Speaker 7 (01:46:09):
We could use Emmanuel Classe But.

Speaker 2 (01:46:11):
You know, we don't know about try Is he going
to get back?

Speaker 7 (01:46:15):
But there's so many there's so many question marks right
now when it comes to the Dodgers, like the closer,
what's going on with Mooki? Mooki is also in and
out of struggling hitting from leadoff position or not. I
don't I think focus on what you I if I'm
the Dodgers, I focus on the team I have now

(01:46:38):
and getting rid of our.

Speaker 1 (01:46:39):
I mean, how much longer are you gonna have Mooki
batty first or second in the line? I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:46:45):
Forty now? I mean, yeah, you need.

Speaker 1 (01:46:47):
A shortstop, but most shortstops are at the bottom of
the order, right And that's that's what Mooki looks like
right now, is the bottom of the order.

Speaker 2 (01:46:55):
Good field can hit shortstop.

Speaker 7 (01:46:58):
Not even that he's so low right now, Like if
you something seems all since Japan, remember he got sick
and that weight. Something's up and I don't know if
we know if we're gonna find out, because it's not
just the hitting and the fielding. He's running slow and
yet he's lost weight. Like, I don't know, it doesn't

(01:47:18):
look the same, he doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
I agree with you, though.

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
I'm with you go with what you have now, because
you guys have championship and mental now, Like like I
just told Steve, if the Dodgers are team, just get
to the playoffs. Yeah, and we'll go and we'll go
from there. We don't have to be the number one
seed in the NL.

Speaker 7 (01:47:35):
Yeah. I I do agree that it's you know, win
or bust. But I think getting to the World Series
would be enough because there hasn't been a repeat champion
in baseball and how long, Like it's hard to do
if they.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Lose another World Series. They lost back to back. Of
course they were robbed.

Speaker 7 (01:47:53):
And yeah, I don't. I know the expectation is to win,
but it's like that's is that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
A real championship? Last year?

Speaker 3 (01:47:59):
Base All World Series carries you five to six years.
If you don't get back. If they don't win it
this year, no one is going to be calling for
heads to role.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
We just won the whole damn thing last.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
But if they lose in the first round of the playoffs,
if they did those back to back in Arizona, still know, I.

Speaker 7 (01:48:18):
Mean, that's gonna be pretty bad. If they lose, that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
Would be bad. But we still got this rare But.

Speaker 7 (01:48:23):
It's it's from a year ago, right, But it's like
the roster you put together is a roster that should
take you past that first round.

Speaker 3 (01:48:31):
Like your injuries have this I mean, so you can
have Kershoff's giving, so you can get this three thousand.
That's WoT could have been used for a younger, more
effective pitcher. But you want Kershaw to get the three
thousand into you, you sacrifice some.

Speaker 7 (01:48:45):
Of those things, something Rookie Sosaki's injury, you know, like
there's been other he didn't we didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:48:51):
Yeah, I mean, I've asked this hypothetical many, many times
about you know, long droughts or you know teams that
have never won a championship.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
Scene.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
Okay, let's say the Padres, Right, I did this with
the Padres and never won a World Series. If the
Padres won the World Series and I told you they'd
have a losing record for the next fifteen years in
a row, would you take it?

Speaker 7 (01:49:10):
Yeah, you've asked me that never clippers, right.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
And exactly, and you're like, yes, I take it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:49:14):
Everyone says that, and occasionally a team then breaks through
and does have a year like that, and then they
do fall back and then people gets upset.

Speaker 2 (01:49:22):
Yeah what happened, man, we won the championship. That was sucking.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Wait a second, I told you you signed the pack
with the devil right there. I gave you that ultimatum
and you said you're okay with it. Now you're not
okay with it.

Speaker 7 (01:49:33):
Yeah, no, it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Dodger fans expect a championship because that is what Dave
Roberts promised them.

Speaker 7 (01:49:40):
Well, he's promised that before and hasn't delivered. So we're good.
We survived that year. All right, guys, Let's let's check
in on the Dodgers right now. They're in Boston and
they're losing to the Red Sox four to three in five.
Mookie Bets is right now on the plate with Otani
on deck. It is the top of the eighth inning.
Dodgers have a man on first space and they have
all their outs to go, so they have an opportunity

(01:50:00):
to take the lead. Here. It's the top of the
ninth inning in the Bronx where the Yankees are trying
to hold on against the Phillies. It's four to three.
Billies are down to their final out. Cups have a
five to one lead over the White Sox in Chicago.
Bottom of the eighth inning, Marlins and Brewers are tied
at two a piece. Bottom of the eighth inning. If
Miami sneaks in there and gets the final log cards.

Speaker 12 (01:50:20):
They beat good teams up they all season, Like, I know.

Speaker 7 (01:50:29):
They're five games out of against If they sneak in there,
I'm going to laugh so hard. The A's are shutting
out the Astro six zero, top of the ninth. The
Nationals with the seven to two lead over the Twins,
also top of the ninth. It's the top of the
eighth in Saint Louis, but the Padres having eight to
two lead over the Cardinals. Still all Rangers so far
against the Braves eight one, bottom of the seventh. Oh so,
what an underwhelming season for the Atlanta Braids. I don't

(01:50:51):
think they're gonna sneak in there. Surprisingly. I would have
put money at the start of the season that they
get in.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
The play well, I mean, the best player for most
of the years. That didn't help at the start of
the season.

Speaker 3 (01:51:03):
It's win World Series three years ago, literally, and then
literally they've gone into the tank.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
They're double diges on the five hundred.

Speaker 7 (01:51:11):
Right now, doubled I think eleven games.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
They started like three and twelve this year forteen games.

Speaker 7 (01:51:18):
Yeah, no, it's rough games that have wrapped up the Pirates.
Shout out the Diamondbacks six zero. Paul Skeins pitched six innings,
gave up three hits, had nine strikeouts, gave up no runs.
Orioles defeated the Rockies five to one. The Reds edged
the Rays two to one. Reds and Dodgers are going
to start that series soon. And Tigers snapped their six
game losing streak. They topped the Blue Jays tenth to four.
The Royals defeated the Guardians four to one. NFL News

(01:51:41):
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lineman in NFL history. He and the Chargers agreed on
a four year, one hundred and fourteen million dollars contract extension.
And Brown's quarterback can you Pick It? Was injured at
the end of Saturday's practice a hamstring injury, so he's
expected to be re evaluated later this week.

Speaker 2 (01:51:58):
Back to you guys, a right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:00):
See, by the way, months he's got a show with
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Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
I was about to say it to you. I was
about to say it to you. So can he piketty
string in? Yeah, start down.

Speaker 3 (01:52:43):
One down, one down, because we know hamstrings in July.
Guess what they don't do well, guys over the next
two to three months.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Yeah, they don't heal well. All right, So Picky the shelf.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
He's going to be reevaluated later this week, which means
more reps for Joe Flacco, Dylan Gabriel and yes m
Shodor Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
By the way.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Stefanski Kevin Stefanski, coach of the brown said the QB
rotation would be fluid during the first week at camp
and that he and the offensive staff will meet to
discuss any changes for week two. They're gonna have their
first padded practice coming up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
None of this stuff matters. What I I'm gonna tell
you this one.

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Preseason team I'm not gonna miss other than my Dolphins
is the Cleveland Browns. Because you know NFL Network runs
they rerun every preseason game.

Speaker 2 (01:53:41):
I set my DVR, I go back and watch them all.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
I'm gonna really watch these Cleveland brown reps and quarterback
during game. Flecco's out of this thing. Guys, even if
he is the starter, he's not gonna last all year long.
He's just happy to be here. I sat to watch
his interview at camp yesterday on NFL Network. When they
go to the camp and they bring a guy over
and they saying, so you can tell he's he's on
his sunset tour.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
You could feel it. And the guy's interviewing him.

Speaker 3 (01:54:06):
They said the same thing, you know, and he's he's
having more fun. His kids are older, so his kids
get to kind of see the end, and he's ragging
on the young players, and the young players are calling
him old man and grandpa, and I'm having so much fun.
It said to me that guy's good for about four
or five games. He's just happy to be in the
last sunset part of his career. This thing is gonna
come down between Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
And when we when we put the tape on and
see them on the field, we're gonna see what's up,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:54:35):
I know that with the uh perfet picks or overrunders
half so well. I went back to San Diego in
twenty fourteen and Johnny Manziel was going into his rookie
year with the Browns, and I was just a big

(01:54:57):
Johnny Manziel guy, big, big, big big, and I couldn't
understand why anybody would think this guy who was so
brilliant at the collegiate level would be anything different at
the pro level. So my partner and I had a
bet that year on how many wins Johnny Manzell would

(01:55:19):
have as a starting quarterback that year. So I thought
to myself, all right, they're not a great team, but
I say he'll win at least four games, four or
five games. I was very confident in that that year
as a rookie, he was zero to two. In fact,

(01:55:40):
for his career he was two and six as a
starting quarterback. So I don't want to throw it out
now because I think we could use it with the
perfet picks. But having an over under on wins by
Shador Sanders were as a starting quarterback for the Browns

(01:56:02):
this season.

Speaker 3 (01:56:03):
You know why you're coming up with this. I have
a very sneaky suspicion while you're coming up with this,
because you guys know you're over under half of a
game he starts this year is gonna lose. So now
we gotta go to, well, how many games is he
gonna win?

Speaker 4 (01:56:17):
Nope?

Speaker 3 (01:56:18):
I had some people thought that he wasn't even gonna
be in the NFL this year. He's gonna be the
starting quarterback at some point for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 2 (01:56:24):
Okay, well how about this?

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
How about the over under on which game he'll be
the starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Depends on how FLA course. I love a challenge, bro, don't.

Speaker 3 (01:56:37):
I don't run from no challenge. You know me, so
no problem. Let's fill over the next few weeks. Let's
say it somewhere. But it's all gonna depend on what
Flacco really looks like, because I think, honestly, I don't
think Flack's the.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Opening day start.

Speaker 3 (01:56:48):
I think it's gonna be Chris Gabriel's gonna be your door,
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:52):
With the of the thing, a future over under for
the perfect picks concerning Shador Sanders, either how much any
wins he will have as a starting quarterback this season
as a Brown or which game will he become the
starting quarterback?

Speaker 2 (01:57:09):
So well, I'll leave it up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:57:14):
I mean, I get it, it's too early to do
that right now, But in the next couple of weeks,
I think think about an over under with ser Sanders,
either based on how many wins you'll have as a
starting quarterback this year or which game he'll become the
starting quarterback of the Cleveland brook And.

Speaker 2 (01:57:32):
If you do, if you do winsor if you do,
which game?

Speaker 3 (01:57:34):
Can we at least wait till the second preseason game, Like,
let's get a look with the quarterback I look like
out there, so instead of going blind, we have some
take to go back.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
I agree with it. We can agree on that. That's fair.
That's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Coming up on the other side, what is going to
transpire over the course of this upcoming week.

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
We're gonna break it down. This is Fox Sports Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Harvin and Husky Fox Sports Sunday here in the Fox
Sports Radio in the studios. Want to thank our crew today.
MAT's he doing a brilliant job as she also gets
ready for her show coming up here with Carrie Rhodes
at the top of the hour, Chris Pherfat, we we're
throwing out some real thoughts for your uh perfet picks here.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
Yeah, that's the point.

Speaker 9 (01:58:17):
Yeah, we got no thoughts. Want to come down there
firing off, just picks. The whole point is for you
guys to start yelling at each other. Yeah, well we
got we got something the water.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
I'm making here for these two Beta ficials.

Speaker 1 (01:58:27):
We got some things that were definitely on opposite sides there.
And then the guy that holds fish metaphors too.

Speaker 3 (01:58:34):
I know you just did Alpha. I got beef with
Shade though you and Sha Shad.

Speaker 1 (01:58:40):
First of all, there were some fences to be mended
here with you and Shaye because your stance on the
Lakers and Lebron has rubbed him the wrong ways from
the beginning.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
St so you know everything.

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
So when you know when when you know v J
and I hooked up and Shae was, you know, annoyed
our producer.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
I'm thinking, I don't know about this.

Speaker 3 (01:59:02):
No, man, I'm beef with Shade, man, because Shade, like you,
I don't feel like you give us love. Man Like
I look up in the window and I want to
see your smiling face there and you be gone.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Dog. You be moving around the building a little much.

Speaker 5 (01:59:14):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:59:14):
Well, he's got he's got a lot on his mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:59:16):
I get it. I get it.

Speaker 11 (01:59:17):
But I want my attention to so so so you
know the difference is so Steve comes to me pre show,
so I don't got to move around, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
I mean, I'm able to talk to Steve. It's good.

Speaker 11 (01:59:27):
I know what I'm doing a ready, Manzi. Unfortunately she's
on the other side, so I gotta walk over there.

Speaker 3 (01:59:32):
I know, I see, I see where does that leave
VJ and VJ? That leaves that leaves you leaving early
after the show. Yeah, I know, man, I just can
talk after we come with I just I just want
the same love and attention that everybody else is getting. Dog,
I have traumatizations for my childhood, so y'all got to
help me.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
I'm gonna do better.

Speaker 11 (01:59:52):
You know what I'm gonna I'm giving you excuses right now.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
Better.

Speaker 11 (01:59:56):
I know what this is. This is a cry for help,
and I'll do better. Shut I'm sorry, guys, They're from
the bottom of my heart. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (02:00:04):
Oh, No, one thing I I I enjoy about shape.
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:00:09):
I am a notorious.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Talker, and I share everything. I share my personal life.
I share my thoughts on literally everything to anybody that
will listen, and most people don't, but they'll sort of
feign a response, like they'll pretend. You know, there are
certain people will give me that eye contact even though

(02:00:32):
there's a blank stare like that. They want to be
courteous like that. It's been around a long time. Yeah,
he's he's an old guy. Here's a lot about Shay.
Shay will make it clear to me instantly that whatever
I'm talking about either is of any substance at all

(02:00:55):
or is completely worthless to him in the moment, and
so I can I almost stopped immediately with Shaye because
he will like, look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:01:05):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
If you want to talk, that's fine, but understand, I
literally don't care about what you're doing.

Speaker 2 (02:01:11):
You should get class. You should give classes. And I
like that. I think that's solid.

Speaker 3 (02:01:14):
Give classes how to get rid of Hartman in under
thirty seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:01:19):
I should give classes. I think that I might ever had.
I got these for twenty dollars. You know.

Speaker 1 (02:01:25):
These are the readers and they work absolutely perfect for me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
All right, let's get ready, God bless everybody will take over.
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