July 25, 2025 • 28 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses Hulk Hogan's complicated legacy on the heels of his untimely death, why certain athletes are remembered more fondly then others when they both have controversial pasts, how the Cleveland Browns should navigate their very crowded quarterback room, and which NFL teams are best positioned to tank in 2025 and thus 'March for Arch' Manning.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Fire for Friday, July the twenty fifth. I'm stoked for
this weekend, folks, and not for reasons you'd expect, but
just as a programming note. Next week a little hiatus.
Fox gave Kawenan and I the week off, so there
(00:35):
will be no podcast. Obviously, I will be unplugging or
doing my best and listen. It's really hard to unplug
now with so much happening in.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This world sports.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Obviously, I'm getting fantasy offers to join leagues left and right,
and then you get news like something that kind of
stunned us Thursday morning, and that was a rough week
for gen Z. On the heels of theo Huxtable passing
aka his real name Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show,
(01:06):
then you had Ozzy Osbourne and they.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Come in threes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Allegedly Hulk Hogan, the passing of a wrestling legend. His
real name obviously was Terry Bolea. I don't know if
I'm pronouncing that rights, but Hulk Hogan hard cardiac arrest.
It sounds like at the age of seventy one. Now
(01:31):
it's it's an interesting Hulk Hogan is a really interesting
test case. And I don't know that we've ever really
talked wrestling on this show. But now Rob and I
are different ages, pretty much different generations. He's the young
whipper snapper. I used to be the young whipper snapper.
But I one hundred thousand percent grew up watching a
lot of wrestling. Okay, this was when we didn't know
(01:53):
if it was real or fake. My parents said, oh,
that's so fake. There's no way people are getting hit
over the heads with the chair. And it's fine, this
is fake. But me and my friends, but no way,
it's real. We would buy like the wrestling magazines. I
know that there's a segment of the population out there
who's with me. Just deal with me for a second.
So we're huge wrestling fans. Wrestle Mania, Hulk Hogan vers
(02:15):
Andre the Giant. He body slammed Andre the Giant. It
was macho man Randy Savage and Hulk had an amazing run.
He was the man eat your vitamins, you know, Like
I mean, I'm just telling you, Hulk Hogan to like
what eight nine year old j Mack was a legend. Like,
I honestly was a bigger fan of Hulk Hogan than
any NFL player back then.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I was a huge Don Maddingly fan.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And obviously the NBA Magic Johnson that was my guy,
Patrick Ewing blah blah blah. But Hulk Hogan was like
on that level. I thought of him that way, that
he's just amazing. And then you know, he gets old,
I start to phase out of wrestling, you know, probably
middle school, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Do you kind of forget about Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, hulk a Mania running wild. That was fun when
you were a kid, but you get older and nobody
really into it. But he apparently made a comeback into wrestling.
By that point, I was like, this is fake. What
am I doing? I'm not a reality TV guy. Wrestling's
basically reality TV anyways. So then all this info comes
out about Hulk Hogan kind of sort of being an
(03:24):
asshole and his daughter, Brooke Hogan was dating a black
guy and he's caught on audio dropping all these racial slurs,
and then of course there was the lawsuit that sank Gawker.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Essentially, Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Was not quite dared, but like his friend, this crazy
DJ guy Bubba the Love Sponge, who I was not
really familiar with. I mean, I had heard his name
on Howard Stern.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I didn't know him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Bubba the Love Sponge basically said to Hulk Hogan, Oh, yeah,
you can bang my wife.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'll record it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And then I guess he sold that tape or whatever
happened to Gawker, which was a really cool website when
I was in New York in like two thousand and six, seven,
whatever it was, and Hulk Hogan essentially wins his lawsuit.
Gawker published part of the sex tape, and that was
kind of the beginning of the demise of Hulk Hogan.
(04:23):
It all went downhill from there. And I didn't even
know this, but Rob g reminded me that when Netflix
was rolling out their first live event with Raw earlier
this year, I think it was January, they brought out
hul Covid.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, let's get some celebrity star power.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
They bring out Hulk Hogan and he's booed, And for
a moment, I'm like, wait, are they booing the character
or the person? And it became very clear quickly that
they were booing Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
The person.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He had done that many rotten things as a human
being to kind of sink himself with the general public.
I mean, again, what's the saying, Rob, Is it you
don't meet your heroes, they'll always let you down or
something like.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That, something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not one hundred percent certain on the saying,
but it's something like that. And like I'm just telling you,
eight year old j Mack was all about Hulk Hogan's
the man. Oh he's jacked and look he's coming out
to the ring and he's cupping his ears.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I can't hear you. Come on, who didn't do that
when you.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Were watching Saturday Night's main event, Like, there was a
lot of cool ass wrestlers, Ricky the Dragon, Steamboat, Jake
the Sting, Roberts.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I could do this for hours.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But Hulk Hogan was the man. And just the way
his downfall in the last fifteen twenty years has just
been kind of sort of gross. And I don't know,
I thought we'd open the show talking about that. It
was a bit of a surprise to me. Now, Rob,
I know Hulk Hogan. I mean, you weren't even born
when he was. Hulk Hogan was really popping off. But
(05:56):
are you a big wrestling guy? Are you a Hogan guy?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You know? Was I really was back in the day.
And I think p one listeners of the show will
remember that my dad back in the day ran the
LA Sports Arena. So I've been to plenty of wrestling events,
like you know, and and part of the one of
the perks of having my dad work there and be,
you know, behind the scenes so to speak, is I
(06:19):
got a lot of WWF swag, Like a ring I had,
you know, those little fluffy characters that looked like they
were always flexing, and we used to you know, wrestle
with those kinds of things. So yeah, I was a
huge hol Cogan fan. Actually, matter of fact, i'd lie
I was an ultimate Warrior fan first and foremost, and
ho Cogan was like his nemesis. So even though I
liked hol Cogan, I was always a Warrior guy. And
(06:41):
the thing, like you though, is I got to a
certain age where I just kind of stopped watching wrestling,
Like I just kind of I don't know if I
aged out of it, mature out of it, whatever word
you want to use. So my remembering and my feeling
towards Houlk Cogan was always a positive one, like it was.
I remember the way he made me feel. I remember
(07:02):
that I want to be a mayor, like that was
a thing. I remember when he went to WCW Hollywood,
Holk Cogan in the New World Order like the nWo.
That was the coolest thing I'd ever seen at that
So wait, he was he a bad guy when he
did He was a bad guy in nWo, but he
made it cool to be bad kind of a thing, right.
It was. That's how I remembered Holk Cogan And because
(07:24):
I guess distanced myself from the community and I wasn't
necessarily checking for what ho Cogan was doing in my
twenties and into my thirties. Yeah, you know these situations
that came up, you know, the sex tape being one,
and you mentioned the racial slurs where even he says
on look tape, I guess I am a little bit racist, right, Like,
(07:46):
those things didn't necessarily stick to me because I wasn't
really following ho Cogan. I didn't like I heard about it.
But it's like, well, you know, Hokgan to me is
always gonna be the ready yellow tights coming out, you know,
pointing at the guy and hooking up that kind of thing,
and we were talking before we started recording, or even
Thunderlift Delton Male from Rocky Like that's how I remember
(08:06):
oh Cogan, but to see when he died and the
news hit my phone on Thursday morning, and it was
a clear chasm like and almost a split down the
middle between people who I guess were like me, who
unlike you, grew up with hol Cogan remembered how he
made them feel as a kid, what he meant for
wrestling and your Saturday nights, your Saturday mornings, whatever. You
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watched it and it was positive. And then there's a
whole other group of people that either kept following wrestling
or never followed wrestling and only knew the name and
they just got into it later. And everything they pointed
to was the sex tape, they pointed to, the racial slurs,
they pointed to him being the front man for the
(08:50):
Mega Movement for Donald Trump. And one other thing that
I noticed, and like this little small piece of the
pie is the people who are wrestling fans. And I've
been wrestling fans their entire lives, and even they flipped
on houlk Cogan because they'll say, yeah, Hulk was great
for the time in the eighties and that he was
(09:12):
the biggest star. But lest we forget him being such
an asshole and not wanting to put other guys over
and let someone else be the champion for a little
bit and let someone else get the glory for a
little bit. Like that derailed WCW. That's why it didn't
exist anymore. That's why you had guys like Seaan michaels
And and Bret Hitt matn Hard didn't really break through
(09:32):
the way they could have because Hole Cogan didn't want
to give up the spotlight for such a long period
of time. So he's the one who kind of derailed
the sport that I love or the you know, the
entertainment that I love. And it's just crazy to me
how one person who if I were to go down
the list of controversial figures, he'd be way down the
list of controversial sports entertainment figures. But he has such
(09:55):
a dichotomy, a split amongst what his legacy all really is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
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Speaker 2 (10:13):
We talk about it sometimes in the NBA. The hates giography.
We just remember everything from our youth is perfect. The
music was amazing, the athletes were the best, the sports,
the beach, the life.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
It was all awesome. Not everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Rob is able to just step back and be like, yeah,
you know it was. It was okay, My childhood was good.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was solid. But right now, like it's not even close.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Like literally everything is better. Everything buy a mob do
you remember? Well, you don't, Rob, but I mean, you know,
if we need to go on a computer and like
type out like a project, it was like a massive ordeal.
And printers took forever, like computers sucked in the eighties,
like it just nothing was as good as it is now.
(10:59):
And like again I'm not in wrestling now, so I
can't speak to it. I don't even know that stuff
about Brett the Hitman Heart and were they was that
the British Bulldog? Was that his partner that was like
his cousin or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, okay, I'm just I was in deep on wrestling.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, it was just because I was fun. I have
friends in the in the the business, in the sports
media business who like love wrestling, right, and they'll share
clips from certain documentaries and things like that, and it
kind of makes you feel the nostalgic. I can go
watch that. I remember watching wrestling in the nineties and
what that felt like. And I don't know what's the
word KFA they use, like you keep the illusion that
(11:34):
like Terry Buley is whol Cogan in real life and
this is really what he does. And so all of
this behind the scenes, behind their curtain stuff. And I've
watched like maybe two or three of these documentaries and
you're like, man, I don't remember Hulk Hogan being disliked,
but apparently nobody liked him at that time. Yeah, that business,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Just wild, Like I don't were you in in on
like the Undertaker and all those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, I thought he would really dead for a period
of time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that was an era I missed. It was, I
forget what it was. It's inappropriate for this podcast. But
there's this movie Funny People with Adam Sandler, which isn't
a great movie, but it has really really funny moments,
mostly early and.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Adam.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
There was like a question to Adam Sandler from Seth
Rogan and it was about something and he's like, no,
I actually I talked to girls.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, I don't watch wrestling.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It wasn't quite that, but that's like The Undertaker, like
is was I think when I was like a little
older and oh, yeah, are you up on wrestling? No, no,
I try to hit on girls. I'm not paying attention
to wrestling.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So I missed The Undertaker and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But it is weird because, like you said, the word nostalgia,
I mean, I'm always gonna have nostalgia for my guy
Magic Johnson, and Rob you put Magic Johnson in today's NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I mean it's even an All NBA player. Again, I
love it. Oh that's a super hot take.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But like, yeah, he's not better than Steph Curry and
like SGA had had a season that you know, offensively,
he's better than Magic Johnson ever was. And again I'm
the hugest Magic Johnson fan in the fast break amazing.
Sure he could post up folks, but that style, that
brand of basketball, the half court stuff, it just doesn't
(13:24):
really work anymore. Obviously, he's one of the greatest passers ever,
but like, I don't know, it's just the nostalgia of
Hulk Hogan has clearly worn off.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's been a tough week, man.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
At least.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Uh some of the not not all the wrestlers broke
bad as they will if you will, some of them
ended up being okay guys, right, I'm pretty sure I can.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean to the extent that I follow it. Yeah,
it seems like you mentioned, it seems like everybody loves
the Undertaker, right, And it's funny because I believe he
was one of the guys who, you know, one of
the first prominent people who I believe support or did
Donald Trump like at the time when it was the Undertaker,
So yeah, uh Undertaker and the response that people had
(14:08):
for him versus what they had for ho Cogan when
he first did it is like night and day. It
was like, oh, well, you know, Taker's a good guy.
I'm sure he has his reasons. And then when Hoe
Cogan did, it was like no, man, f that guy.
And like, you know, that was before it became more
normalized as a board. You know what is they call
it the quiet majority at the time. So yeah, it's
just it's just wild that this has happened. I wonder,
(14:32):
as we you know, twenty years from now when we
have another unfortunate passing of somebody that we love in
sports and entertainment, Like, who's another guy who's going to
have this kind of a split.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Complicated history.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Oh that's a good one, because I thought it might
have been Kobe when he had passed and it was
completely the other way. Well, is different because everybody had
almost totally forgotten about everything that happened in Colorado, totally
forgotten about some of his foibles, and it was all positive.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like a helicopter accident with his daughter. Yeah, it's awful. Yeah, no, no,
I'm trying to think of it's tough.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You're right, uh, Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean listen, his his whole he went to jail
and stuff, he's for all that stuff's forgotten. I don't
think they'll be a complicated one with Tyson. He seems
to have cleaned up his act. But again, you can
never tell with some of these boxing guys. Anyways, I
don't know, it's summer. Hulk Cogan just passed away, so
we thought we'd quickly touch on that, just two quick
NFL stories before we take a little hiatus. I'm sure
(15:33):
you guys saw this, but Mike Clay, who has been
on the podcast, and we'll probably have to get him
next week as well, uh or.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
In two weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
He is like the roster guy at ESPN for covering
the NFL, and he's projecting the fifty three man rosters.
These are his projected cuts. At the very top of
the list, Cleveland quarterback Kenny Pickett. We need a full
star there because rob he appears as of now it's
(16:03):
late July, to be the starter in Cleveland. Mary Kay Cabot,
who covers the team, basically is like, hey, Kenny Pickett's
getting reps, He's the first team blah blah blah. Mike Clay,
who covers the league very closely, is saying, Kenny Pickett
is a projected cut. That divide is about as big
as it gets. Other guys on the list that kind
(16:24):
of sort of you'd know Cordurell Patterson in Pittsburgh, Damian
Pierce in Houston, Cam Akers with the Saints, the.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Big ride receiver that I like, Jake Bobo in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I don't know how he's not gonna make the team.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Sky Moore in Kansas City, remember when he was a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Those are like the biggest names, but the Kenny Pickett
when I don't know what to make of this.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
If you cut Pickett, are you just saying, you know,
if we start Dylan Gabriel or Joe Flacco, we're well
on our way to arch Man. Not that Kenny Pickett
takes you out of that running, but if you have
Kenny Pickett, Rob, You're not carrying four quarterbacks every week,
(17:06):
somebody's gonna have to be inactive. And what's the vibe
gonna be if that's Shadoor Sanders? Is Dion gonna be like, Hey,
they lost thirty one to seven and my kid was inactive?
What do you want from me? And all of a
sudden then it comes. It just has the potential to
get ugly. So if you rid yourself of Picket, there's
a world where sure we could keep three quarterbacks active,
(17:30):
Moost just keep two, but with two rookies, it's not
the worst thing in the world to have three.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't know what to do with Picket.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not even a Browns fan, but to me, all
signs are the Browns, the Saints, and then I'll talk
about two mystery teams in a minute are basically lining
up their ducks, saying, hey, you know what is it
Arch Manning time?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Let's just look at Art.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
We're not tanking for a full season, but we couldn't
get anybody who's gonna get us to the playoffs. So
what's the point.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Let's just explore these young guys and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. If I'm the Cleveland Browns
front office, I'm Andrew Berry. The first thing I'm doing
right now, as soon as I listened to this podcast
is I am number one subscribing to the podcast. Of course,
but I'm calling up the Tennessee Titans and saying, hey,
I heard Will Levis. It's gonna be out for the
season with a shoulder issue. You need someone to back
up cam Ward? How about a lightly use Kenny Pickett?
(18:26):
How about a very season Joe Flacco. Right, That's what
I'm doing because I'm a forward thinking individual, and like you,
I think that you could do a hell of a
lot worse than be part of the March for Art
situation and just accept you're gonna go three and fourteen
and deal what you got to do. The problem is
all of the reporting coming out of Cleveland. I know
this is what Mike Clay's the pain is about Picket.
(18:48):
All the reporting, as you mentioned, is that Kenny Pickett
is the QB one that they gave up real assets
to get in. They gave up a draft pick and
Dorian Thompson Robinson, who they had been very high on
for a couple of seasons as a young developmental guy.
So now when you look at some of the reporting
coming out of Cleveland, it's Kenny Pickett's QB one. They
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really really really want to keep Joe Flacco because the
last time they had any kind of success was with
Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco's wing have got into the playoffs
a couple of years ago, and so then you're down
to the two rookies. As you've mentioned over and over
on this podcast, Stefanski must really like Dylan Gabriel to
take him the third round. So I don't see a
(19:32):
situation where he's fourth string that only leaves then shaduor
Sanders to be fourth string. That leaves chaduor Sanders to
be your practice squad quarterback, because you're not going to
keep four guys an active roster, which means he's eligible
to be waived and picked up by another team. So
in an effort to cleanse yourself of this problem, I
think the logical move is to try to trade Picket
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or Flacco or whoever, because you're not gonna win anything this.
Let's be honest. It behooves you to be bad, honestly
to get Archi Manning or if you like Drew Aller
or whoever it is that you like. And you have
two guys, one of them that you're obviously high on
in Dylan Gabriel and another one that were his last
(20:15):
name not Sanders. I think probably goes much higher than
in the draft than what he did. So I would
rather keep the lottery tickets than a guy like Kenny Pickett,
who you know what the ceiling is.
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Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm probably with you and I totally forgot. Yeah, that
Will Levis thing is is a bummer. Will Levis went
from hey man, he could be a top ten pick
to sliding to the second round to playing in Tennessee
last year basically getting yelled at what the hell are
you doing by your coach? And now they draft a
quarterback one and now Levis is out for the year.
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I mean, that's a stunning fall. However, I mean Kenny
Pickett's going from hey man, the Brown sign me to
a deal to oh, you're gonna make me the backup
in Tennessee because.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Cam Ward is the guy. Let's make no mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeap, so very weird now, I said, too. Surprise teams
for Arch. One of them, yes, could be my Jets.
Justin Field's broken toe at practice and it's unclear how
long he's gonna be out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I'm sorry, fractured, broken, same deal.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know if a running quarterback is gonna be
able to have success with a broken toe. So is
there a world where he's out for I don't know
eight weeks now. If you start it now, he's gonna
miss what maybe three games?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The Jets quarterback room is horrific.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Tyrod Taylor, Adrian Martinez, who I thought was gonna be
a stud in college and just never quite became one.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
They're not gonna be good. I think the Jets could
be a sneaky arch.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Manning team and I will remind people the Jets were
in the mix for Trevor Lawrence back when he was
coming out. They won one stupid game against the Rams
in December. It cost him Trevor Lawrence. They had to
settle for Zach Wilson. I don't need to say.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Anymore, but the other team who could get arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A lot of rumblings that the Rams acquired an extra
first round pick for next year in hopes that they
can trade up for arch Now they've had two tumultuous
summers in a row dealing with Matthew Stafford. Obviously, Rams
are Super Bowl contenders this year, but I think it's
gonna take more than two picks to move up and
(22:39):
get arch Manning. It's gonna take more than two first
Whereas the Jets are gonna be in the next just
because they're not very good, although I do I will
say I think their defense rob is gonna keep them
competitive most of the season.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I mean it should you know, as a until week one,
a lifelong Jets fan, right because I picked them last season,
so after all till the start of this next season,
that I can really get off the bandwagon like they
have players. I mean there's a reason why in the
last month that Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson both became well,
(23:10):
I know sass being the highest paid, but two of
the highest paid players in NFL history at their position.
Like they have dudes, they just do not have a
quarterback similar to the New York Giants. The New York
Giants got dudes in a lot of places. They're just
unsettled at quarterback. And it's interesting. This season is gonna
(23:31):
be interesting to see if Arch Manning is as good
as we all think he is, which team is gonna
pull the ripcord first. Because one thing about the NFL,
it's not like the NBA, where you know, going in, Hey,
the Jazz are gonna suck. Hey, uh, the New Orleans
Pelicans are gonna suck. The Washington Wizards are gonna suck.
(23:52):
They're gonna tank, They're gonna play all their young guys.
They're gonna be bad. They're trying to capture the flag,
right like that was the motor in the NFL. One
thing that's that's much different is like hope springs eternal.
This time of year, every team, right or wrong, thinks
they can make a run at the playoffs and if
(24:13):
we get in, anything can happen. Hell, Miles Garrett said
on Wednesday his expectation is the Super Bowl. I don't
know what Miles Garrett is smoking, but that's what these
guys all feel, because we've seen year after year after
year someone goes from worse to first. Someone you're not
expecting is all of a sudden a juggernaut. Shout out
to the Commanders, shout out to the Minnesota Vikings. So
(24:37):
who's gonna be the team that starts out one in three,
two and four. That says, you know what, rather than
try to make a push and maybe we sneak into
a wild card game, pull the rip cord early, let
it go, Let go of the rope, because we're gonna
go all in on the March for Arch.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I will say, Rob, you got me laughing here, Capture
the flag March for Arch. These are not bad now,
Drew Aller? Is it Aller or Lars Aller?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah? Good luck finding one for him.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I will say I was not as keen on Penn State,
and then Feldman was on the pod this week. I'll
be betting on Penn State to win the Natty, And
I looked at some numbers from Aler. He got significantly
better year over year. He just had a really rotten
game against Notre Dame and elite defense in the final
game of the season, like literally threw the game away
with a horrific interception. I think it was either in
(25:31):
the waiting moments of the fourth or overtime, and Notre
Dame was able to win. But I think good luck
coming up with a nickname for Drew Aller and the
NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
By the time you get back from vacation, I'll have one.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, and as one final side note, and I just
want to get this on record, Rob Maybe I'll remember
to clip it off. But when Arch struggles badly against
Ohio State and he's something like fourteen for thirty one
two o seven and two interceptions in a fumble. When
he has a bad game, everybody's gonna write him off. Remember,
(26:07):
first impressions matter a lot, and this will be his
real first impression, even though he you know, he's played
a little bit as a backup. I will buy Arch
Manning stock after they lose to Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's when you want to get in on the ground level.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh wow, okay, Ohio State an elite team with superstar
players on defense, bottled up Arch Banning.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, so he'll go back to the drawing board. He'll
destroy some bad.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Teams, and I think he's gonna he's gonna have a
good season in the seas. That would be my guess
for Arch. And then he comes out. Now a lot
of people seem to think he ain't coming out. I'm
not buying that rub.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I have to buy the stock now because I'm
already on record is saying I think they're gonna go
into the big house in shock, Ohio State. And then
I was only in Bolden when Sark was on with
you guys on Thursday, and he was just gassing up
arch Manning talking about his his prepa, his preparation and
his commitment to the film study and the playbook and
that kind of stuff. And It's like, all right, you
(27:01):
got me going a little. I was already in the
I was already in the bag, but now I'm really
feeling it. And then I read that Charles Robinson Peace
and Yahoo about the Rams and how much they like
arch Manning and how they want to trade up because
they think Stafford's gone. And during I don't know if
you've read the article. But in the article, this is
what it says. This is I'm not making this up.
The comparison for arch Manning inside the Rams franchise that
(27:23):
is ceiling after the twenty twenty five college season could
be a Josh Allen type of prospect. What so, Yes,
I am all in one thousand percent on arch Manning.
I can't afford to buy the dip like you are.
I gotta buy it now at a high point size
could it's only going up?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh, I didn't realize he was six four two twenty five.
He looks much smaller than that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, he doesn't look much thinner than that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
He there's no way he's six four to two twenty five.
I mean, I think that's the inflation. You know how
the NBA players inflate their height all the time. Yeah,
I'm sure he's like six two two fifteen or something.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Or hear me out. Josh Allen is also just much
bigger than what his listed sizes.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Josh Allen is a hoss, that's for sure. Anyways, all right,
you guys have a great weekend and week we are back.
Next time we're back, it's in early August. I'm sure
Rob G will just be chopping it up. He's so
dominant as a producer and a thought leader when it
comes to guests.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
So you guys be safe out there. We'll talk to
you soon
This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Fire for Friday, July the twenty fifth. I'm stoked for
this weekend, folks, and not for reasons you'd expect, but
just as a programming note. Next week a little hiatus.
Fox gave Kawenan and I the week off, so there
(00:35):
will be no podcast. Obviously, I will be unplugging or
doing my best and listen. It's really hard to unplug
now with so much happening in.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
This world sports.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Obviously, I'm getting fantasy offers to join leagues left and right,
and then you get news like something that kind of
stunned us Thursday morning, and that was a rough week
for gen Z. On the heels of theo Huxtable passing
aka his real name Malcolm Jamal Warner from The Cosby Show,
(01:06):
then you had Ozzy Osbourne and they.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Come in threes.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Allegedly Hulk Hogan, the passing of a wrestling legend. His
real name obviously was Terry Bolea. I don't know if
I'm pronouncing that rights, but Hulk Hogan hard cardiac arrest.
It sounds like at the age of seventy one. Now
(01:31):
it's it's an interesting Hulk Hogan is a really interesting
test case. And I don't know that we've ever really
talked wrestling on this show. But now Rob and I
are different ages, pretty much different generations. He's the young
whipper snapper. I used to be the young whipper snapper.
But I one hundred thousand percent grew up watching a
lot of wrestling. Okay, this was when we didn't know
(01:53):
if it was real or fake. My parents said, oh,
that's so fake. There's no way people are getting hit
over the heads with the chair. And it's fine, this
is fake. But me and my friends, but no way,
it's real. We would buy like the wrestling magazines. I
know that there's a segment of the population out there
who's with me. Just deal with me for a second.
So we're huge wrestling fans. Wrestle Mania, Hulk Hogan vers
(02:15):
Andre the Giant. He body slammed Andre the Giant. It
was macho man Randy Savage and Hulk had an amazing run.
He was the man eat your vitamins, you know, Like
I mean, I'm just telling you, Hulk Hogan to like
what eight nine year old j Mack was a legend. Like,
I honestly was a bigger fan of Hulk Hogan than
any NFL player back then.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
I was a huge Don Maddingly fan.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And obviously the NBA Magic Johnson that was my guy,
Patrick Ewing blah blah blah. But Hulk Hogan was like
on that level. I thought of him that way, that
he's just amazing. And then you know, he gets old,
I start to phase out of wrestling, you know, probably
middle school, and.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Do you kind of forget about Hulk Hogan?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Right, hulk a Mania running wild. That was fun when
you were a kid, but you get older and nobody
really into it. But he apparently made a comeback into wrestling.
By that point, I was like, this is fake. What
am I doing? I'm not a reality TV guy. Wrestling's
basically reality TV anyways. So then all this info comes
out about Hulk Hogan kind of sort of being an
(03:24):
asshole and his daughter, Brooke Hogan was dating a black
guy and he's caught on audio dropping all these racial slurs,
and then of course there was the lawsuit that sank Gawker.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Essentially, Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Was not quite dared, but like his friend, this crazy
DJ guy Bubba the Love Sponge, who I was not
really familiar with. I mean, I had heard his name
on Howard Stern.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But I didn't know him.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Bubba the Love Sponge basically said to Hulk Hogan, Oh, yeah,
you can bang my wife.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'll record it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And then I guess he sold that tape or whatever
happened to Gawker, which was a really cool website when
I was in New York in like two thousand and six, seven,
whatever it was, and Hulk Hogan essentially wins his lawsuit.
Gawker published part of the sex tape, and that was
kind of the beginning of the demise of Hulk Hogan.
(04:23):
It all went downhill from there. And I didn't even
know this, but Rob g reminded me that when Netflix
was rolling out their first live event with Raw earlier
this year, I think it was January, they brought out
hul Covid.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Oh yeah, let's get some celebrity star power.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
They bring out Hulk Hogan and he's booed, And for
a moment, I'm like, wait, are they booing the character
or the person? And it became very clear quickly that
they were booing Hulk Hogan.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
The person.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He had done that many rotten things as a human
being to kind of sink himself with the general public.
I mean, again, what's the saying, Rob, Is it you
don't meet your heroes, they'll always let you down or
something like.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
That, something like that.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not one hundred percent certain on the saying,
but it's something like that. And like I'm just telling you,
eight year old j Mack was all about Hulk Hogan's
the man. Oh he's jacked and look he's coming out
to the ring and he's cupping his ears.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I can't hear you. Come on, who didn't do that
when you.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Were watching Saturday Night's main event, Like, there was a
lot of cool ass wrestlers, Ricky the Dragon, Steamboat, Jake
the Sting, Roberts.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
I could do this for hours.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
But Hulk Hogan was the man. And just the way
his downfall in the last fifteen twenty years has just
been kind of sort of gross. And I don't know,
I thought we'd open the show talking about that. It
was a bit of a surprise to me. Now, Rob,
I know Hulk Hogan. I mean, you weren't even born
when he was. Hulk Hogan was really popping off. But
(05:56):
are you a big wrestling guy? Are you a Hogan guy?
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You know? Was I really was back in the day.
And I think p one listeners of the show will
remember that my dad back in the day ran the
LA Sports Arena. So I've been to plenty of wrestling events,
like you know, and and part of the one of
the perks of having my dad work there and be,
you know, behind the scenes so to speak, is I
(06:19):
got a lot of WWF swag, Like a ring I had,
you know, those little fluffy characters that looked like they
were always flexing, and we used to you know, wrestle
with those kinds of things. So yeah, I was a
huge hol Cogan fan. Actually, matter of fact, i'd lie
I was an ultimate Warrior fan first and foremost, and
ho Cogan was like his nemesis. So even though I
liked hol Cogan, I was always a Warrior guy. And
(06:41):
the thing, like you though, is I got to a
certain age where I just kind of stopped watching wrestling,
Like I just kind of I don't know if I
aged out of it, mature out of it, whatever word
you want to use. So my remembering and my feeling
towards Houlk Cogan was always a positive one, like it was.
I remember the way he made me feel. I remember
(07:02):
that I want to be a mayor, like that was
a thing. I remember when he went to WCW Hollywood,
Holk Cogan in the New World Order like the nWo.
That was the coolest thing I'd ever seen at that
So wait, he was he a bad guy when he
did He was a bad guy in nWo, but he
made it cool to be bad kind of a thing, right.
It was. That's how I remembered Holk Cogan And because
(07:24):
I guess distanced myself from the community and I wasn't
necessarily checking for what ho Cogan was doing in my
twenties and into my thirties. Yeah, you know these situations
that came up, you know, the sex tape being one,
and you mentioned the racial slurs where even he says
on look tape, I guess I am a little bit racist, right, Like,
(07:46):
those things didn't necessarily stick to me because I wasn't
really following ho Cogan. I didn't like I heard about it.
But it's like, well, you know, Hokgan to me is
always gonna be the ready yellow tights coming out, you know,
pointing at the guy and hooking up that kind of thing,
and we were talking before we started recording, or even
Thunderlift Delton Male from Rocky Like that's how I remember
(08:06):
oh Cogan, but to see when he died and the
news hit my phone on Thursday morning, and it was
a clear chasm like and almost a split down the
middle between people who I guess were like me, who
unlike you, grew up with hol Cogan remembered how he
made them feel as a kid, what he meant for
wrestling and your Saturday nights, your Saturday mornings, whatever. You
(08:29):
watched it and it was positive. And then there's a
whole other group of people that either kept following wrestling
or never followed wrestling and only knew the name and
they just got into it later. And everything they pointed
to was the sex tape, they pointed to, the racial slurs,
they pointed to him being the front man for the
(08:50):
Mega Movement for Donald Trump. And one other thing that
I noticed, and like this little small piece of the
pie is the people who are wrestling fans. And I've
been wrestling fans their entire lives, and even they flipped
on houlk Cogan because they'll say, yeah, Hulk was great
for the time in the eighties and that he was
(09:12):
the biggest star. But lest we forget him being such
an asshole and not wanting to put other guys over
and let someone else be the champion for a little
bit and let someone else get the glory for a
little bit. Like that derailed WCW. That's why it didn't
exist anymore. That's why you had guys like Seaan michaels
And and Bret Hitt matn Hard didn't really break through
(09:32):
the way they could have because Hole Cogan didn't want
to give up the spotlight for such a long period
of time. So he's the one who kind of derailed
the sport that I love or the you know, the
entertainment that I love. And it's just crazy to me
how one person who if I were to go down
the list of controversial figures, he'd be way down the
list of controversial sports entertainment figures. But he has such
(09:55):
a dichotomy, a split amongst what his legacy all really is.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
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Speaker 2 (10:13):
We talk about it sometimes in the NBA. The hates giography.
We just remember everything from our youth is perfect. The
music was amazing, the athletes were the best, the sports,
the beach, the life.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
It was all awesome. Not everybody.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Rob is able to just step back and be like, yeah,
you know it was. It was okay, My childhood was good.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
It was solid. But right now, like it's not even close.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Like literally everything is better. Everything buy a mob do
you remember? Well, you don't, Rob, but I mean, you know,
if we need to go on a computer and like
type out like a project, it was like a massive ordeal.
And printers took forever, like computers sucked in the eighties,
like it just nothing was as good as it is now.
(10:59):
And like again I'm not in wrestling now, so I
can't speak to it. I don't even know that stuff
about Brett the Hitman Heart and were they was that
the British Bulldog? Was that his partner that was like
his cousin or something like that.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, okay, I'm just I was in deep on wrestling.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah, it was just because I was fun. I have
friends in the in the the business, in the sports
media business who like love wrestling, right, and they'll share
clips from certain documentaries and things like that, and it
kind of makes you feel the nostalgic. I can go
watch that. I remember watching wrestling in the nineties and
what that felt like. And I don't know what's the
word KFA they use, like you keep the illusion that
(11:34):
like Terry Buley is whol Cogan in real life and
this is really what he does. And so all of
this behind the scenes, behind their curtain stuff. And I've
watched like maybe two or three of these documentaries and
you're like, man, I don't remember Hulk Hogan being disliked,
but apparently nobody liked him at that time. Yeah, that business,
and it's.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Just wild, Like I don't were you in in on
like the Undertaker and all those guys.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, I thought he would really dead for a period
of time.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, that was an era I missed. It was, I
forget what it was. It's inappropriate for this podcast. But
there's this movie Funny People with Adam Sandler, which isn't
a great movie, but it has really really funny moments,
mostly early and.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Adam.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
There was like a question to Adam Sandler from Seth
Rogan and it was about something and he's like, no,
I actually I talked to girls.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
You know, I don't watch wrestling.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It wasn't quite that, but that's like The Undertaker, like
is was I think when I was like a little
older and oh, yeah, are you up on wrestling? No, no,
I try to hit on girls. I'm not paying attention
to wrestling.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So I missed The Undertaker and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
But it is weird because, like you said, the word nostalgia,
I mean, I'm always gonna have nostalgia for my guy
Magic Johnson, and Rob you put Magic Johnson in today's NBA.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
I mean it's even an All NBA player. Again, I
love it. Oh that's a super hot take.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But like, yeah, he's not better than Steph Curry and
like SGA had had a season that you know, offensively,
he's better than Magic Johnson ever was. And again I'm
the hugest Magic Johnson fan in the fast break amazing.
Sure he could post up folks, but that style, that
brand of basketball, the half court stuff, it just doesn't
(13:24):
really work anymore. Obviously, he's one of the greatest passers ever,
but like, I don't know, it's just the nostalgia of
Hulk Hogan has clearly worn off.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
It's been a tough week, man.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
At least.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Uh some of the not not all the wrestlers broke
bad as they will if you will, some of them
ended up being okay guys, right, I'm pretty sure I can.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, I mean to the extent that I follow it. Yeah,
it seems like you mentioned, it seems like everybody loves
the Undertaker, right, And it's funny because I believe he
was one of the guys who, you know, one of
the first prominent people who I believe support or did
Donald Trump like at the time when it was the Undertaker,
So yeah, uh Undertaker and the response that people had
(14:08):
for him versus what they had for ho Cogan when
he first did it is like night and day. It
was like, oh, well, you know, Taker's a good guy.
I'm sure he has his reasons. And then when Hoe
Cogan did, it was like no, man, f that guy.
And like, you know, that was before it became more
normalized as a board. You know what is they call
it the quiet majority at the time. So yeah, it's
just it's just wild that this has happened. I wonder,
(14:32):
as we you know, twenty years from now when we
have another unfortunate passing of somebody that we love in
sports and entertainment, Like, who's another guy who's going to
have this kind of a split.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Complicated history.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Oh that's a good one, because I thought it might
have been Kobe when he had passed and it was
completely the other way. Well, is different because everybody had
almost totally forgotten about everything that happened in Colorado, totally
forgotten about some of his foibles, and it was all positive.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Like a helicopter accident with his daughter. Yeah, it's awful. Yeah, no, no,
I'm trying to think of it's tough.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You're right, uh, Mike Tyson.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I mean listen, his his whole he went to jail
and stuff, he's for all that stuff's forgotten. I don't
think they'll be a complicated one with Tyson. He seems
to have cleaned up his act. But again, you can
never tell with some of these boxing guys. Anyways, I
don't know, it's summer. Hulk Cogan just passed away, so
we thought we'd quickly touch on that, just two quick
NFL stories before we take a little hiatus. I'm sure
(15:33):
you guys saw this, but Mike Clay, who has been
on the podcast, and we'll probably have to get him
next week as well, uh or.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
In two weeks.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
He is like the roster guy at ESPN for covering
the NFL, and he's projecting the fifty three man rosters.
These are his projected cuts. At the very top of
the list, Cleveland quarterback Kenny Pickett. We need a full
star there because rob he appears as of now it's
(16:03):
late July, to be the starter in Cleveland. Mary Kay Cabot,
who covers the team, basically is like, hey, Kenny Pickett's
getting reps, He's the first team blah blah blah. Mike Clay,
who covers the league very closely, is saying, Kenny Pickett
is a projected cut. That divide is about as big
as it gets. Other guys on the list that kind
(16:24):
of sort of you'd know Cordurell Patterson in Pittsburgh, Damian
Pierce in Houston, Cam Akers with the Saints, the.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Big ride receiver that I like, Jake Bobo in Seattle.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
I don't know how he's not gonna make the team.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Sky Moore in Kansas City, remember when he was a thing.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Those are like the biggest names, but the Kenny Pickett
when I don't know what to make of this.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Rob.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
If you cut Pickett, are you just saying, you know,
if we start Dylan Gabriel or Joe Flacco, we're well
on our way to arch Man. Not that Kenny Pickett
takes you out of that running, but if you have
Kenny Pickett, Rob, You're not carrying four quarterbacks every week,
(17:06):
somebody's gonna have to be inactive. And what's the vibe
gonna be if that's Shadoor Sanders? Is Dion gonna be like, Hey,
they lost thirty one to seven and my kid was inactive?
What do you want from me? And all of a
sudden then it comes. It just has the potential to
get ugly. So if you rid yourself of Picket, there's
a world where sure we could keep three quarterbacks active,
(17:30):
Moost just keep two, but with two rookies, it's not
the worst thing in the world to have three.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't know what to do with Picket.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I'm not even a Browns fan, but to me, all
signs are the Browns, the Saints, and then I'll talk
about two mystery teams in a minute are basically lining
up their ducks, saying, hey, you know what is it
Arch Manning time?
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Let's just look at Art.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
We're not tanking for a full season, but we couldn't
get anybody who's gonna get us to the playoffs. So
what's the point.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Let's just explore these young guys and see what happens.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. If I'm the Cleveland Browns
front office, I'm Andrew Berry. The first thing I'm doing
right now, as soon as I listened to this podcast
is I am number one subscribing to the podcast. Of course,
but I'm calling up the Tennessee Titans and saying, hey,
I heard Will Levis. It's gonna be out for the
season with a shoulder issue. You need someone to back
up cam Ward? How about a lightly use Kenny Pickett?
(18:26):
How about a very season Joe Flacco. Right, That's what
I'm doing because I'm a forward thinking individual, and like you,
I think that you could do a hell of a
lot worse than be part of the March for Art
situation and just accept you're gonna go three and fourteen
and deal what you got to do. The problem is
all of the reporting coming out of Cleveland. I know
this is what Mike Clay's the pain is about Picket.
(18:48):
All the reporting, as you mentioned, is that Kenny Pickett
is the QB one that they gave up real assets
to get in. They gave up a draft pick and
Dorian Thompson Robinson, who they had been very high on
for a couple of seasons as a young developmental guy.
So now when you look at some of the reporting
coming out of Cleveland, it's Kenny Pickett's QB one. They
(19:11):
really really really want to keep Joe Flacco because the
last time they had any kind of success was with
Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco's wing have got into the playoffs
a couple of years ago, and so then you're down
to the two rookies. As you've mentioned over and over
on this podcast, Stefanski must really like Dylan Gabriel to
take him the third round. So I don't see a
(19:32):
situation where he's fourth string that only leaves then shaduor
Sanders to be fourth string. That leaves chaduor Sanders to
be your practice squad quarterback, because you're not going to
keep four guys an active roster, which means he's eligible
to be waived and picked up by another team. So
in an effort to cleanse yourself of this problem, I
think the logical move is to try to trade Picket
(19:55):
or Flacco or whoever, because you're not gonna win anything this.
Let's be honest. It behooves you to be bad, honestly
to get Archi Manning or if you like Drew Aller
or whoever it is that you like. And you have
two guys, one of them that you're obviously high on
in Dylan Gabriel and another one that were his last
(20:15):
name not Sanders. I think probably goes much higher than
in the draft than what he did. So I would
rather keep the lottery tickets than a guy like Kenny Pickett,
who you know what the ceiling is.
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Speaker 2 (20:38):
I'm probably with you and I totally forgot. Yeah, that
Will Levis thing is is a bummer. Will Levis went
from hey man, he could be a top ten pick
to sliding to the second round to playing in Tennessee
last year basically getting yelled at what the hell are
you doing by your coach? And now they draft a
quarterback one and now Levis is out for the year.
(21:00):
I mean, that's a stunning fall. However, I mean Kenny
Pickett's going from hey man, the Brown sign me to
a deal to oh, you're gonna make me the backup
in Tennessee because.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Cam Ward is the guy. Let's make no mistake.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Yeap, so very weird now, I said, too. Surprise teams
for Arch. One of them, yes, could be my Jets.
Justin Field's broken toe at practice and it's unclear how
long he's gonna be out.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I'm sorry, fractured, broken, same deal.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I don't know if a running quarterback is gonna be
able to have success with a broken toe. So is
there a world where he's out for I don't know
eight weeks now. If you start it now, he's gonna
miss what maybe three games?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Folks.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
The Jets quarterback room is horrific.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Tyrod Taylor, Adrian Martinez, who I thought was gonna be
a stud in college and just never quite became one.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
They're not gonna be good. I think the Jets could
be a sneaky arch.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Manning team and I will remind people the Jets were
in the mix for Trevor Lawrence back when he was
coming out. They won one stupid game against the Rams
in December. It cost him Trevor Lawrence. They had to
settle for Zach Wilson. I don't need to say.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Anymore, but the other team who could get arch Manning.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A lot of rumblings that the Rams acquired an extra
first round pick for next year in hopes that they
can trade up for arch Now they've had two tumultuous
summers in a row dealing with Matthew Stafford. Obviously, Rams
are Super Bowl contenders this year, but I think it's
gonna take more than two picks to move up and
(22:39):
get arch Manning. It's gonna take more than two first
Whereas the Jets are gonna be in the next just
because they're not very good, although I do I will
say I think their defense rob is gonna keep them
competitive most of the season.
Speaker 4 (22:50):
I mean it should you know, as a until week one,
a lifelong Jets fan, right because I picked them last season,
so after all till the start of this next season,
that I can really get off the bandwagon like they
have players. I mean there's a reason why in the
last month that Sauce Gardner and Garrett Wilson both became well,
(23:10):
I know sass being the highest paid, but two of
the highest paid players in NFL history at their position.
Like they have dudes, they just do not have a
quarterback similar to the New York Giants. The New York
Giants got dudes in a lot of places. They're just
unsettled at quarterback. And it's interesting. This season is gonna
(23:31):
be interesting to see if Arch Manning is as good
as we all think he is, which team is gonna
pull the ripcord first. Because one thing about the NFL,
it's not like the NBA, where you know, going in, Hey,
the Jazz are gonna suck. Hey, uh, the New Orleans
Pelicans are gonna suck. The Washington Wizards are gonna suck.
(23:52):
They're gonna tank, They're gonna play all their young guys.
They're gonna be bad. They're trying to capture the flag,
right like that was the motor in the NFL. One
thing that's that's much different is like hope springs eternal.
This time of year, every team, right or wrong, thinks
they can make a run at the playoffs and if
(24:13):
we get in, anything can happen. Hell, Miles Garrett said
on Wednesday his expectation is the Super Bowl. I don't
know what Miles Garrett is smoking, but that's what these
guys all feel, because we've seen year after year after
year someone goes from worse to first. Someone you're not
expecting is all of a sudden a juggernaut. Shout out
to the Commanders, shout out to the Minnesota Vikings. So
(24:37):
who's gonna be the team that starts out one in three,
two and four. That says, you know what, rather than
try to make a push and maybe we sneak into
a wild card game, pull the rip cord early, let
it go, Let go of the rope, because we're gonna
go all in on the March for Arch.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
I will say, Rob, you got me laughing here, Capture
the flag March for Arch. These are not bad now,
Drew Aller? Is it Aller or Lars Aller?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Yeah? Good luck finding one for him.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
I will say I was not as keen on Penn State,
and then Feldman was on the pod this week. I'll
be betting on Penn State to win the Natty, And
I looked at some numbers from Aler. He got significantly
better year over year. He just had a really rotten
game against Notre Dame and elite defense in the final
game of the season, like literally threw the game away
with a horrific interception. I think it was either in
(25:31):
the waiting moments of the fourth or overtime, and Notre
Dame was able to win. But I think good luck
coming up with a nickname for Drew Aller and the
NFL draft.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
By the time you get back from vacation, I'll have one.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, and as one final side note, and I just
want to get this on record, Rob Maybe I'll remember
to clip it off. But when Arch struggles badly against
Ohio State and he's something like fourteen for thirty one
two o seven and two interceptions in a fumble. When
he has a bad game, everybody's gonna write him off. Remember,
(26:07):
first impressions matter a lot, and this will be his
real first impression, even though he you know, he's played
a little bit as a backup. I will buy Arch
Manning stock after they lose to Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's when you want to get in on the ground level.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh wow, okay, Ohio State an elite team with superstar
players on defense, bottled up Arch Banning.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
Okay, so he'll go back to the drawing board. He'll
destroy some bad.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Teams, and I think he's gonna he's gonna have a
good season in the seas. That would be my guess
for Arch. And then he comes out. Now a lot
of people seem to think he ain't coming out. I'm
not buying that rub.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Yeah, I have to buy the stock now because I'm
already on record is saying I think they're gonna go
into the big house in shock, Ohio State. And then
I was only in Bolden when Sark was on with
you guys on Thursday, and he was just gassing up
arch Manning talking about his his prepa, his preparation and
his commitment to the film study and the playbook and
that kind of stuff. And It's like, all right, you
(27:01):
got me going a little. I was already in the
I was already in the bag, but now I'm really
feeling it. And then I read that Charles Robinson Peace
and Yahoo about the Rams and how much they like
arch Manning and how they want to trade up because
they think Stafford's gone. And during I don't know if
you've read the article. But in the article, this is
what it says. This is I'm not making this up.
The comparison for arch Manning inside the Rams franchise that
(27:23):
is ceiling after the twenty twenty five college season could
be a Josh Allen type of prospect. What so, Yes,
I am all in one thousand percent on arch Manning.
I can't afford to buy the dip like you are.
I gotta buy it now at a high point size
could it's only going up?
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Oh, I didn't realize he was six four two twenty five.
He looks much smaller than that.
Speaker 4 (27:44):
Yeah, he doesn't look much thinner than that.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
He there's no way he's six four to two twenty five.
I mean, I think that's the inflation. You know how
the NBA players inflate their height all the time. Yeah,
I'm sure he's like six two two fifteen or something.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Or hear me out. Josh Allen is also just much
bigger than what his listed sizes.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Josh Allen is a hoss, that's for sure. Anyways, all right,
you guys have a great weekend and week we are back.
Next time we're back, it's in early August. I'm sure
Rob G will just be chopping it up. He's so
dominant as a producer and a thought leader when it
comes to guests.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
So you guys be safe out there. We'll talk to
you soon
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