January 7, 2026 • 41 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses what's next for John Harbaugh after he was unceremoniously fired by the Baltimore Ravens, why he's all-in on Kliff Kingsbury as an NFL head coach during this upcoming hiring cycle, the biggest difference between the presumptive top two NFL Draft eligible quarterbacks (Indiana's Fernando Mendoza and Oregon's Dante Moore), and why the idea of a Trae Young-Giannis Antetokounmpo pairing in Milwaukee isn't that farfetched.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up fire for Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight bowyer for Tuesday. No, it's Wednesday, January the seventh. Listen, folks,
I'm a little rattled. I'm shook. I am totally all
messed up. John Harbaugh, the long time Baltimore Ravens coach,
spent nearly two decades in Annapolis. He's been fired. We
(00:34):
are officially in the chaos stage of the head coaching carousel.
I know some people were predicting it. Oh yeah, Harball
could get run. Listen, if John Harbaugh's rookie kicker doesn't
shank a forty four yard field goal at the end
of regulation on Sunday night, the Ravens are in the playoffs,
(00:54):
and we ain't talking about John Harbaugh being on the
unemployment line. That being said, we're not going to talk
about Harbaugh in the unemployment line for long because his
resume dwarfs any other resume that is out there. You
probably will hear from some people. Listen, man, I don't
know about Harbaugh. Are we sure he's the top candidate? Folks?
(01:15):
When you're applying to a job, they look at all
the resumes. Okay, John Harball by a mile has a
better resume than any other coaching candidate. It's not even close.
Kevin Stevenski has two Coach of the Years, Mike McCarthy
has a Super Bowl. Do you understand what John Harbaugh
(01:36):
has done? Guys? And I saw this amazing, amazing tweet
from some guy who said John Harbaugh's last four seasons
ended this way and it was the shank from the kicker.
I think his name is Lup Tyler Loup. Okay, there
was Zaveflowers against the Chiefs in an unbelievable, unbelievable fumble
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at the goal line. There was that was two years ago.
There was Mark Andrews dropping an automatic catch in the
end zone against the Bills in a memorable playoff game.
And then there was a tush push failed against the Bengals,
I believe, with their backup quarterback an unlucky run. Now
you could say all you want, oh, well, Harpball's not
(02:22):
that good of a coach. Okay, fine, I mean if
you could say that, but just because you're saying it
doesn't make it true. Like you could say whatever you want.
Maybe you don't like him, maybe Oh, well, he's sixty three.
He's a special teams guy. Folks, you don't stay around
that long if you're not a good coach. Knowing what
he's doing, I mean, playoffs success is important. Thirteen and
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eleven record in the playoffs. I know, he hasn't won
a super Bowl since twenty twelve. All these people yell, oh,
what about John Gruden. He hasn't won a playoff game
in longer than that. I mean, Harpball was in the
AFC Championship in twenty twenty three, he was in the
divisional game in twenty four, twenty and nineteen, he was.
(03:06):
He won the Super Bowl in twelve. In eleven, he
lost in the AFC title game. Like, the guy has
had a lot of success. Let's remember I love how
people do well. He had Lamar Jackson. Guys, who was
Lamar Jackson. Oh he was a guy that was gonna
fall out of the first round, and the raven said,
let's trade back into the first round and grab him.
(03:27):
We've got a statue in the pocket in Joe Flacco
and Lamar is the antithesis of Joe Flacco. But let's
do it anyway. And it worked amazingly. That's the kind
of stuff that makes a head coach amazing. Now you
could say, well, it was the OC, maybe it was
the JOC. You could say it was the GM, maybe
it was the GM. But John Harbaugh sure his shit
played a huge factor in that. Are you kidding me?
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That's why these guys, Well, Belichick had Brady for so long.
Who was Brady? Everybody passed on him in the draft?
Everyone he was a sixth rounder. He only got on
the field because mo Lewis Drew Brees and sorry not
Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe into next year. That's the only
reason he got on the field. I mean, guys, we're
(04:09):
trying to rewrite history here and it's not looking good.
Bottom line, is John Harbaugh one with a true pocket
quarterback in Flacco. He won with an amazing talented dual
threat quarterback in Lamar Jackson, and I'm pretty sure he's
gonna win the next place he goes, unless that's Cleveland
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of the Jets, then it's a toss up. But in
all seriousness, I think, without a doubt, the New York
Giants are the leader for this. It makes way too
much sense regionally. It's a blue blood program that's gonna
do whatever he wants. They have Joe Shane as GM.
If Harbaugh says I want to bring in my own guy,
I'm sure Joe Shane will get dusted in a heartbeat.
(04:55):
There's no arguing that John Harbaugh is the best coach
on the mark. There isn't. There really is no case
for Oh, what about Brian Floraes, what about Jesse Minter.
They might be fine coaches, but right now they've never
been a head coach before. Never. I mean, we didn't
know Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen would be this good.
(05:18):
We thought, okay, Ben Johnson, great offensive coordinator. Nobody had
them winning the division and being this good. Nobody, guys,
it's just nobody. And this idea that John Harball, well,
I don't know how I had ended in Baltimore. Once
you pay the quarterback, you're kind of shafted. And it's
funny because you remember that big story right around Christmas
(05:39):
from I believe his name is Preston, Mike Preston in
one of those Baltimore media outlets talking about how the
situation with Lamar was not great. Harball kind of defended
in there was work, work, habits, sleeping in meetings. Lamar
denied the sleeping. I don't know. It was just not
one of these unified fronts where it was like, hey,
(06:00):
we're on the same page. You guys are way wrong,
We're to you know. It just didn't feel like that
at all. And now Harball's gone and we'll see what
happened with Lamar. I guess they're gonna pay Lamar. I
don't know. He wants a new deal. You want to
pay him. I mean, his cap hit is massive. He
definitely lost a step this season. Maybe it was the
injuries and we'll get it back. But I don't know, Guys,
(06:22):
this feels it was an amazing run. Tomlin Harball will
live forever as one of the great rivalries. I'm just
a little surprised, honestly, Like I really did not think
he would get run. And now a new era begins
in Baltimore. So it's funny after this news hit, Rob
(06:43):
g and I had actually recorded something talking about other
movement around the league, Black Friday, little NBA action, and
we've got that for you now. So we will pivot
from the just amazing Harbaugh news to Cliff Kingsbury.
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I'm sitting there on the side of the herd Tuesday,
and all of a sudden, the news comes across Cliff
Kingsbury and Dan Quinn have parted ways. Kingsbury will not
remain with Washington, he will move on. And I was
just like, what so? A year ago? At this time,
Kingsbury was a genius. Jaden Daniels had one of the
(07:35):
great rookie seasons in NFL history, and they end up
going to the NSC Championship Game. So year two, a
lot of people love Washington. I was a little lukewarm obviously.
The defense old as hell, and then Jaden gets hurt
early and often, and they tumble and are terrible. Jayden
Daniels is in year two and Kingsbury's leaving. What so
(08:00):
Aden will go INTI He'll have gone amazing rookie year,
historically great stuff. Injury plagued, and then year three with
a new offensive coordinator so new schemes knew everything. I
this deserves a major deep dive. I'm hoping that some
reporter in Washington could break it wide open. I know
Kingsbury has a check of pass. People don't like him.
(08:21):
Oh he's not an alpha, he can't be hard on players.
Come on, Kingsbury, what did he win in Arizona? Well,
I don't know. He had. Kyler Murray had the best
season of his career and got to the playoffs. They
didn't win, but they eclipsed their win total. Got to
the playoffs, lost to the Rams, who I think went
on to win the Super Bowl. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Maybe,
(08:43):
but bottom line is they lost to a better team
than Rams on the road, and Kingsbury leaves in, Oh,
how's how's Kyler done? By the way? Oh awful? And
they want to move off am Interesting. Yeah, so Cliff
bought the best out of a young quarterback in Kyle Libray.
So then Cliff goes to Jayden Daniels and, like I said,
a historic rookie year. So he knows how to work
with young quarterbacks. You're telling me he's not gonna get
(09:04):
a plumb head coaching job. I don't know. The New
York Giants have Jackson Dark who is a young quarterback.
The Tennessee Titans have cam Ward who is a young quarterback,
and frankly, the Raiders. Rob G's Raiders gonna be picking first.
They're gonna be taking Mendozo or Dante Moore. You don't
think they could use Cliff Kingsbury. So I'm I'm just
(09:26):
stunned by this move off Listen. Obviously, Kingsbury is gonna
be a little bit behind Kevin Stefanski in some of
these interviews because I think Stefanski's accomplished more. But I'm
way above market on Cliff Kingsbury. And yes, Rob, I've
seen all the stats about how Kingsbury in the second
half of season's teams catch up with his offense and
they slow down. Didn't happen to Daniels, but whatever. And
(09:48):
I know that it didn't really work out for him
in college. He had some okay runs, but never was
able to really win much. And you know, he's one
of these McVeigh types who's a handsome guy, he's young,
he's energetic, he's creative offense. But the big difference is
McVeigh can command a locker room. Kingsbury so far has not.
So Rob, I'll posit this team for all the naysayers
(10:10):
on Kingsbury, Ye had no thanks. I'm gonna look to
the positive and say, well, wait a minute, what if
he took that job in Washington because A he got
to work with a superstar young quarterback and B he
got to work under a hard ass named dan Quinn
who would show him maybe how to crack hard and
bust heads when you need to. And what if he's like,
(10:33):
I picked it up. There's some good head coaching openings.
I this whole hearting of ways. Josina Anderson had a
report where she was saying that essentially there was some
disagreements on the offense. That that's interesting. What does dan
Quinn know about offense? He's a defensive guy his whole life,
and so if you're disagreeing on what the offen should
(10:54):
look like, I mean, yeah, Cliff's gonna move on. But
I wonder if that's cover for well, you know, I
think there's something in cam Ward and that division. I
like what I see from Jackson Dart, who's very mobile.
We know Cliff likes mobile quarterbacks. Who can you know
the RPOs on the move? I mean, cam Ward is
(11:14):
that Jackson Dart is that Mendoza is not as much,
but he's not like a cement shoes in the pocket.
So my hot take here is that Kingsbury saw an
opening and said, you know what, I'm gonna bounce because
I think dan Quinn's in trouble. This defense stings. They
fired the defensive coordinator in Washington yesterday as well, and
rog Gie, I think this is an elevation coming for
(11:38):
Cliff Kingsbury. I think he will move up. I think
he's gonna get a head coaching job. And frankly, I
know a lot of people are like, oh yeah, gimme
Brian Flores, give me jesse mentro I get all that.
I would, as we always talk about, I would lean
offense here. I'm curious, rob, do you want Kingsbury as
your head coach with the Raiders? You got Mendoza, genty Bowers.
That's a good offensive nucleus. I think he could do
(12:00):
damage with that in the desert.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
You know, Jamck, I think you're half right with all
of this, because I do believe to your point that
Cliff Kingsbury has bigger fish to fry than being in
OC in the NFL. I mean, he was even a
candidate for the Raiders OC gig last year before they
gave to Chip Kelly. So that's a different conversation right there.
And I agree with you. I think that in his
mind he is just as good as the McVeigh, Shanahan,
(12:25):
you know, Tree, Like he's one of those type of
guys where the reason why I say you're only half right, though,
is I believe that this parting of the ways was
less about him wanting to get into this cycle now
and more about dan Quinn trying to save his bacon.
Because to your point, you said it right there at
the end, he cleared out the OC and the DC.
(12:45):
And usually when that happens and the head coach is
the last man standing, it's because he knows that his
butt's on the line and he's got to do something
to turn the tide there in Washington, like we saw
Sean mcderry that McDermot do that in Buffalo a couple
of times. I've seen this happen. I think it was
all in Chicago a couple of years ago. Like this
happens regularly when coaches know they're on the hot seat.
(13:06):
And I think that that dan Quinn. The way that
things went this season, obviously, when you have Jaden and
Daniels being hurt, you know, that's gonna change the things
a little bit. But even when he was out there,
they didn't look good like as a team. They took
a big step back from year one a year two.
So that's where I think that is. But to your
overall point about Cliff Kingsbury, I'm skeptical of him personally
(13:29):
just because all the things that you mentioned or think
that would be a red flag to me. You know,
he's kind of a little too cool for school, not
really disciplinarian, not really you know, a football guy, all quotes,
you know, the way they say. He's more of like
a New Age type of dude. Having said that, when
you have friend of the podcast, NFL insider Jordan Schultz
(13:49):
coming out on Tuesday and saying that Jade and Daniels
was quote blindsided by the Kingsbury news and that Daniels
and several of his team were quote disappointed with the decision.
That's face volumes, but that's huge because they thought they
were building something and Jade and Daniels, you know, so
(14:11):
much of being a successful Unflur quarterback is not about
your talent, because all these guys are talented. Trevor Lawrence
is talented. Kaylor One is talented. You don't know if
they're going to reach their full potential like Trevor Lawrence
is now if you don't have the right stuff around you.
And I believe that Jaden Daniels thought that Cliff Kingsbury,
that they're pairing together, was gonna maximize his talent. And
(14:33):
who's to say now that in year three and year four,
maybe they don't get it right with the OC, or
they get a guy where it takes a year to
figure things out. And instead of saying Jaden Daniels is
the next guy to crack that Burrow mahomes Alan Jackson,
you know, fearsome, forsome, maybe it's a conversation like, hey,
remember when we thought CJ. Stroudard's gonna be that guy
(14:55):
and they fumbled around their OC for a couple of
seasons and it looks like he peaked as a rookie
and never really got better. Like that's the risk you
run when you get rid of a guy like Cliff
Kingsbury who made such good music with your starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeh, never good when your offense is blindsided. So I'm
looking at their schedule. So they beat the Giants, lost
to the Packers. The Packers understandable. They smashed the Raiders,
then they lost a tough one to the Falcons with
Mariota quarterback. Daniels comes back and beats the Chargers. I
was at that game. Chargers are in control early and
there was like one big play and boom, Daniels gets
(15:29):
them right back in the game. So at that point
they're three and two with Jayden Daniels. Then they lose
a heartbreaker of the Bears at home in the rain,
and that's when things went off the Rails. Daniels gets
hurt against Dallas, they get smashed, and then they didn't
win a game again for like two months. And you know,
Daniels missed like all of them, came back to early
against Minnesota, came back to early against Seattle like he
(15:50):
just tried to play through injury. I'm just I think
you can automatically cross Washington. Well not, let me not
say automatically. I don't you know you're looking at potential
playoff teams fort year because we're always spinning it forward.
I don't think I think Washington's are in a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yep, they got the rookie.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Quarterback, but the defense needs like fifty pieces. They need
The Deebo Samuel deal didn't work out, even though he
led them in receptions. I liked it at the time,
it just didn't work. And they now have an uphill
clim because Rob, you know, we're gonna have Daniel Jeremiah
on the pod here shortly. He likes the Giants a lot,
and I'll be honest, I think the Cowboys have a
(16:26):
better roster. I would look at Washington in the cellar
next year. In the NFC East, I don't think it's great.
And then you look at the NFC North. Every team
was above five hundred. The NFC South stinks. We get
that the NFC West is probably the best division in
football with three playoff teams. So there's no path to
the playoffs for Washington other than Jaydon Daniels being superhuman
(16:47):
in the defense, playing way above their head. I don't
know that we're gonna get that. I think you're right,
Dan Quinn, probably on the clock in DC and uh yeah,
that's a tough one. So let me ask you about
Kings three. The Raiders are gonna be attractive. Have the
number one pick, I know there's a bunch of stories
out there swirling about, well Brady Brady was having an
input on the Raiders team that went sideways. That's Pete
(17:09):
Carroll's spin. Okay, Pete Carroll's people are coming out and say, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't blame this on me. I didn't want to go
out like this, but I didn't handpicked by O C
and blah blah blah blah. I everybody's spinning to make
themselves look good. Who picked Gino Smith? I will never
get a clear answer. You know, you'll never hear official
(17:31):
word that yes, I wanted Gino Smith above all, I
was pounding the table. Nobody will admit that he led
the league in interceptions. But you can reboot quickly, man.
I honestly the idea of floor what's better to you
Flores and Dabole Combo or Kingsbury as head coach? Combo
because I always lean offensive guy. I don't know if
I don't know if you're rocking with that, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Especially if you have a young quarterback. I'm gonna go
with the young guru, offensive minded guy. And especially and
this is even though I'd like Brian Flores I think
he'd be a solid addition to whatever team he goes to,
even if it is the Raiders. You forget that when
he was win Miami and things ended badly there for him.
(18:14):
They were winning, they were you know. I think he
actually got fired because they want too much. If you
remember the investigation right, like, there was a finding of
the owner because the owner wanted him to lose. But
the bigger story with that situation was they had their
young quarterback and it was Tua, and Brian Flores mismanaged
the hall at it Tua in that first year, I
(18:35):
think a year and a half, kept ying yoyoing back
and forth with him and Ryan Fitzpatrick because he's like, hey,
I got to win now, and Fitzpatrick gives me a
better chance to win. I'm not interested in developing a
young quarterback. So that's the drawback. If you're the Raiders
and you're dead set on Mendoza or more and one
of those guys at your quarterback or the future, can
we trust that in this hypothetical scenario, Brian Daball is
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going to be able to be the good cop to
Brian Flores's bad cop and kind of keep him at bay.
While he develops this young guy. That's the question, because
I think that we know the answer with Cliff Kingsbury.
He did it pretty well with Kyler Murray. Say what
you want about how he's turned out the last couple
of years. When he was with Cliff, he had his
best seasons, and he did it with Jayden Daniels. So
if your number one goal is to develop the quarterback,
(19:22):
give me Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, So I floated this scenario. So obviously, you know,
I don't want to talk about the Jets again. I
know you guys hate you talk about the Jets. But
you know, I saw Todd mcshade. We might have to
get him on the podcast. I used to know him.
He had some issues at ESPN, and and now he's
like I think he's who's he with Bill Simmons.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I think maybe I think he was with Simmons. He
might be doing his own thing as well.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, So he had a take that Dante Moore should
tell the Jets bleep you and stay in college and
make you know, five million dollars or whatever it is
at Oregon. Okay, I love that, and that's a little bit. Yeah,
of course, everybody listen, everybody, let's crap it on the Jets. Fine,
I get it, cool, enjoy it. I think the reality
(20:05):
is this is in play rob So Oregon, Indiana. I
think is Friday night. What if Dante Moore has a
wail of a game, outplays Mendoza and that Indiana defense
and Dante Moore goes I don't know, three twenty five
three touchdowns and Oregon wins thirty five thirty okay, all
(20:26):
of a sudden that changes the draft discussion. Oh my gosh,
super high profile game, twenty million people watching. Dante Moore's him,
He's him, and all of a sudden, the Raiders turn
their attention from Mendoza, who everybody liked all season, to
Dante Moore, and then the Jets have Mendoza fall into
their lap. At that point, I would I would strongly
(20:49):
consider dumping Aaron Glenn and saying, Kingsbury, we want you
to be our offensive coordinator or I'm sorry, we want
you to be our head coach. We're dumping Glenn come
in as head coach mentor Mendoza. I would be on
board with that in a heartbeat. Now, the problem is,
Dante Moore did not look great against Sexis Tech. I
didn't see it. He also didn't look great against Indiana.
(21:10):
He's looked good in other games, but they were not
great opponents. Clean pocket guy's running wide open. Sure he's
gonna crush, but making plays happen when things break down,
when they take away your first read, like, we'll see
that on display. I don't know, Rob, do you have
a lean Mendoza or more? Do you? I mean you
might think More goes back to school.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, I definitely think he's gona go back to school,
even though I don't want him to. Because full disclosure,
I know that I'm not Daniel Jeremiah, I'm not Todd Mayshe.
But the guy I believe has the higher ceiling is
Dante Moore over Fernando Mendoza. And I think what you
saw in that I wasn't call it a bowl game.
What you saw in that college football playoff quarter final
game stupid, is that Dante Moore is a guy who
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has what less than fifteen starts under his belt in
college Yeah, and Fernando Mendoza is a guy who has
like thirty five starts under his belt. And even Mendoza
didn't look great against some of the best competition. You know,
this past season, I know he looked awesome there against Alabama,
and you know in the rainyar South California. He looked
really good in the Big Ten Championship at Ohio State.
(22:14):
But if you'll recall against Penn State, I remember the
game winning drive. He looked really bad in that game
through three and a half quarters, and then he turned
it on there at the end. And so what you're
seeing when it comes to those two guys, in my opinion,
you're gonna have the established, the polished passer in Fernano Mendoza,
who I believe is gonna come into the NFL and
(22:36):
be better than Dante Moore just because he's gonna be
more seasoned, he's gonna have seen More's. He plays the
quarterback in a classic way better than I think Dante
More does at this stage in his career. But Dante
Moore has so much more upside with his physical gifts.
That's the only drawback to me with Mendoza is he
has the height, but I don't know if he has
any of the measurables you look for in a slam
(22:58):
dug number one overall pick. And so that's going to
be an interesting conversation because if you're a team like
my Raiders or like your Jets, or you know, pick
whoever might potentially try to trade up when you know
that your roster is two or three years away, I
would much rather roll the dice on the upside guy
than the guy who's gonna come in and just be solid.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Interesting. So, some of the things you were saying there
makes sense. But I don't know if you saw this
stat So there's fourteen playoff teams, right, Twelve of the
fourteen quarterbacks were first round picks. The only two that
were not Jalen Hurt second and Rock Purty dead last
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in the draft. Yep, everyone else first round pick. So
we're headed toward an arrow where it's like, Okay, you're
either a first round pick and you're going to be
a quarterback or you're not. There just aren't a lot
of those guys sneaking through the cracks. I mean, yeah,
we've had a couple, you know, Gino Smith made the
playoffs one year, he wasn't a first round pick. Russell
Wilson had a good run, Dak Prescott like yeah, but
(24:05):
by and large its first round picks. So if you
don't think if people think Moore is a second round pick,
I don't think he comes out right. You could stay
at Oregon and make I don't know, three million dollars a.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Year, or you could make more than that. I mean,
I don't know if you saw this. The Athletic published
the piece that came out on Tuesday, and in it
they were discussing how the transfer portals kind of running.
Look that you got basically a third of one out
of every three college football players is in the portal
right now, or or it was in it and has
now picked a new team or whatever. In it, they
(24:36):
discuss how there was supposed to be a salary cap,
right remember the House representative of incaas there's gonna be
twenty and a half million dollars across the board, so
everybody has the same opportunity to get players, and that
was going to be the thing according to the Athletic
and the survey of all the you know, gms around
college football, with the third party nil being the way
that it is you can get players and kind of
(24:58):
quote unquote circumvent the cap. So they're saying teams are
spending like thirty million dollars and that the athletic. This
is in the athletic and that the average going rates
for a transferred portal quarterback. And this is just the
average guy. They said, the best guys are going to
exceed this amount is between one and four million dollars.
And they expect guys like u is It Levit from
(25:20):
Arizona State and another kid who his name escapes me
that they're gonna be getting, you know, between five and
seven million dollars in the portal. So if you're Dante Moore,
I know you don't have to enter the portal, but
you know you could nudge Phil and Dy and say, hey,
instead of me going to the pros, I'm not jumping
in the portal. But if I jump to the NFL,
maybe you make it work for a while so I
can stay here another season.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well that's interesting because if they beat Indiana, most of
the seats are going to be taken in the quarterback
musical chairs game.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Sure, some people are claiming Dylan Reyola is waiting on
Dante Moore before he commits to Oregon. That's the Nebraska
Patrick Mahomes look alike. But I don't know. I mean,
the guys are starting to pick and like, I don't know,
that becomes interesting because I don't know what to make
them more. I mean, he looks good, but that game
against Texas Tech was not impressive. I know the body
(26:12):
of work is one season. I mean, we need to
see more, But I mean, can the Jets risk see more?
You know, I don't know. They don't have time.
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All right, let's quickly pivot to the NBA rob because
there was a bomb dropped yesterday by Shams that Trey
Young and his agents are working with the Hawks on
a trade. Now, everybody knows Trey Young still do about
eighty some odd million dollars the rest of this year
and next year by your option. Next year, he's definitely
gonna pick that up. And after that, who knows. We're
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in a weird era in the NBA. This new second
aprin is so punitive that unless you're really elite, there's
no more. Well, we'll give him the deal and figure
it out later. You're just not doing that. Nobody wants
to pay very punitive luxury taxes for a you know,
a nine seed that it gets knocked out on the plane.
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The rich guys saying that's not worth it. I'm not
cutting a check for two hundred million dollars, you know,
for a team that doesn't even make the first round.
And the Hawks are now better without Trey Young. And
I feel kind of bad because Rob, he was and
not that long ago, really freaking good and had the
Hawks in the Eastern Conference finals, and my, how quickly
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things have faded. He don't play a lot of defense,
but we've always known that that hasn't really changed. Hawk's
currently tenth in the East, tied with the Milwaukee Bucks.
This is interesting, Rob. So the market seems very very thin.
Everybody's speculating the Wizards some sort of CJ column salary dump,
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nothing sexy. It would essentially be Trey Young to the
Wizards for CJ McCollum filler. And you're probably gonna have
to give up a good pick if it like, attach
it to Trey Young, whether it's a high second or
a late first. But that's the deal that everybody kind
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of agrees is top line. The interesting one is do
the Milwaukee Bucks throw one last hail Mary to partner
him with Yannis? Or or are you ready for this?
Do the Bucks say we're not going anywhere with Yannis,
he ain't signing with us. Why don't we get Trey
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Young who will help us clean up our books in
two years? He could stabilize things as a point guard.
Maybe we make the playoffs, whatever, but we'll take on
Trey Young and we ain't. You know, we'll probably not
making the playoffs. The reality is, but guess what after
next year, we're in much better cap shape. We'll take
a two year hit, not really be competitive. Maybe Tray
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Young sells some jerseys because he's fun and exciting. Maybe
he drops a fifty burger I don't know, twice a month,
I who knows. But we get out of this Giannis thing.
We don't make it ugly, we don't get an awful deal.
And after two years, guess what, we're off Trey Young.
We start to get our picks back. The Damian Lillard
thing will be done. Maybe there's something there to do.
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The Bucks and Trey Young do anything for you, j Mac.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We talked about this two or three weeks ago. Remember
Rich Paul floated Jalen Johnson to the Bucks. Remember that
for Yiannis? Oh yeah, yeah, and you and I said
on this podcast we did that. It's it's less It's
unlikely obviously that they're gonna trade Jalen Johnson because he's
like their franchise guy in Atlanta right now. It's more
likely that the Hawk that the Bucks would try to
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be buyers and say, hey, how about instead of doing
a deal where we send you Yannis for Jalen Johnson,
how about you send us Trey Young. And they called
us the mad Man and we were getting tweets about
it and dms about it, saying, you guys are crazy.
There's no way that the Hawks are going to trade
Tree Young for the Bucks. The Bucks don't have anything.
And yet I'm looking at ESPN dot com as you
were reading that story and talking about what's going on,
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and of course washing is number one, because there seem
to be the place where NBA careers go to die.
So if you're going to trade somebody, trade him there.
The second most likely team is the Milwaukee Bucks for
all the reasons that you mentioned. Because if you have
this pipe dream of satisfying Giannis and the idea that
we can keep him long term and we can win
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it a high clip. And do you know whatever it
is they think that they can do in Milwaukee, which
they've been doing for years now, because if one thing
that people don't I don't think realize with that Land,
excuse me with Milwaukee is they have been pushing all
in time and time again. Like you view the roster
now you say, oh, no, it was a tear down. No no,
it wasn't. Like they thought that they needed more scoring punch.
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So that's why they got off the Drew Holliday thing.
For Dame. They thought that Chris Middleton's knees were shot,
so that's why they traded him and tried to add
something else with that. They do the sign and trade
with the Miles Turner to get off the Dame Litdard
and they're pushing all their chips further and further down.
They're gonna pay the piper eventually, but for now they
want to win. And to your point, if you can
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make this deal for Trey Young, ESPN floated out Kuzma,
Portis Harris and potentially a first round pick like that's
nothing for a guy like Trey Young. For the upside,
of a Trey Young. Kyle Kuzma is the sunk cost.
Bobby Portis is, you know, is a good player, but
when you already have Giannis and Turner, he kind of
becomes what you're third fourth big man. Gary Harris is
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a rotational guy. It is what it is, the upside
hypothetically of a Tray Young Jannis pairing. I don't think
he's gonna win you a championship, but in a water
down Eastern Conference, you can get to the second round,
maybe even the conference finals with that. So why wouldn't
you take the risk If it doesn't work out two
years from now they're both gone anyways, It is what
it is. You recoup some of those assets with Giannis
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that you gave up, because when you trade him, you
get something back.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So are you you're saying that they would move off
of this Portois? Who who are the guys again?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
They said Kuzma, Portis, Harris, and a first round pick.
Because then if you're Atlanta, the reason why the Washington
is being floated is you get expiring contracts. But according
to Mark Stein, you'd have to throw in a pick
attach the Trey Young to get off of him.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I think you got to do that. Yeah, and in.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
This situation, because you know, I think Kuzma, Portis and
Harris have longer deals, you'd actually be getting a pick.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
See. The only problem with that the Bucks giving up
twenty thirty one. I know you say, in two years,
if it doesn't work, they're both gone. But I don't
think the Bucks have any picks then for like what
two years would be twenty seven. I don't think they
have their twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty first round pick.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, that's where the Yanis trade comes in. If this
doesn't go well and it fails spectacular, which it probably
will for being honest, you know, like the upside is there,
but so was the downside.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh so you think Giannis can fetch you three or.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Four, Yeah, then gianna Is gonna get you three picks
back you're and then you're right back where you started.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Very curious if anybody bites on that. The problem is,
like I think that Lakers stuff with Trey Young was
it last summer or two summers ago?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Two summers ago?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, it was fun and smart on the part of
the Hawks or his agent trying to get ahead of
this and move him. But the Lakers were good to
dodge at bullet, Like, can you imagine if they gave
up Buston Reeve for Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, though that was the clutch Sports Ridge Paul Special
where he was trying to get all the guys to
LA and then eventually Trey Young got a new agent,
so that kind of changed the whole calculus.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's so strange how quickly he's
fallen out of favor. Man, this guy was a top
five pick. So DeAndre Ayton is on his Let me
look at that draft. What was it twenty nineteen? I think, oh,
I think all the top five picks.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
It was eight and Bagley, Luca, Trey Young. Right, that
was the first four.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So nineteen was Zion and John Morant. Twenty eighteen Anthony Edwards. Yeah,
so twenty eighteen, the number one pick was DeAndre Ayton.
He he was Sons, he was Blazers, and then he
likely I think, yeah, so he's on his thirteen. Marvin
Bagley the third. I mean, he's been on a ton
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of teams. He's currently on the Wizards. He's had some injuries,
Luca third pick, he's on his second team. Jaron Jackson
Junior is still in Memphis, Trey Young about to be
on his second team, and unbelievable turn of events, Luca
was traded for Trey Young. Yeah, this is how bad
the draft with Mobamba went six. I think he's cooking
in like the G League. Oh no, he's on the
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rap He just got called up to the Raptors. H
But Wendell Carter, he's kind of Orlando, Chicago, Collins, Sex
And it's weird. Man. You look back at some of
these drafts, like, none of these guys were good. I mean,
we could wrap up with this rub. Have you followed
the Warrior situation lately.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Peripherally just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It seems like everybody's losing their mind because on the team,
because they realized we don't have anything here. They're currently
eight in the West by three games. They're in the playoffs.
The Clippers are surging. Okay, they're they're trying hard because
they have they don't have their picks. I don't think
Dallas is going to be competitive. They're they more likely
(35:34):
to dump a D. But the Golden State Warriors are
one game above five hundred. Steve Kerr is getting tossed
from games Draymond Green and Steve Kerr beefing on the bench.
Draymond is getting tossed from games, and all the while
Steph Curry is, you know, playing amazing, and they're not
going anywhere and they're probably gonna lose in the plane.
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Curry currently had twenty eight points per game. He's shooting
thirty nine percent from deep. Did Jimmy Butler thing? I know,
they tried rob they tried real hardy. It just it's
not really working. And the Curry injury last year cooked them.
After they got the first round. Who they beat in
the first round? They bee Houston, Houston, that's right in seven,
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and then Curry gets hurt in the first game against
Minnesota and that was it. I don't think they win
another playoff series with this group. It seems like it's
just a powder keg. But especially with the Draymond and
Kurr stuff, and then underlying everything is the Steph Curry.
What do you do with Curry? Do you just tell him, hey, man,
we're really sorry, we can't build anything around you, or
(36:39):
do you say, hey, we're sorry, we couldn't. Do you
want us to trade you? Is there anywhere you want
to go? I don't how do you ask Steph Curry
that he's mister Warriors. But as we've talked about on
the pod over the years, Rob, I mean, you look
at everybody. Go look at where Scottie Pippen was in
(37:00):
his late thirties. Go look at Michael Jordan after he
came back and retired. He was with the Wizards trying
to win. Who is the achemological Look at Lebron James.
Lebron James has bounced around, Kevin Viewing, Kevin dur Everybody's
bounced around. I know the idea of being a lifer,
like Magic and Larry and Isaiah, is alluring and cool.
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I don't know, man, I mean, I know he's gotten
used to the area and his family and all that stuff,
and I get that you want to be near the kids.
But Rob, it's it's getting late early, Bro, I don't
know how you fix this. It's just not fun like
in the NFL right now, No Lamar, no Borough, no
Mahomes in the playoffs. That could be a year or two.
I don't know. This might be the new normal. But
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Curry's thirty seven turning thirty eight in March. Can we
get him another playoff run. I don't know if you
can facilitate or trade. It's just not happening in Golden State.
They can't get Yannis and there's no path I mean
there's They're not even a top six team. I don't
if everybody's healthy, it doesn't matter. So what do you
do with Steph Curry? I don't even have a let now.
(38:10):
I do know he was born in Cleveland, right, akrons hospitality,
He grew up in Carolina, grew up in Carolina. Cleveland
is down bad. After last year's Fugazi season where everything
went right, this year nothing's going right. They're a five
hundred team Carolina. I mean, Charlotte is what middling. I mean,
if you are the Warriors, you could have had LaMelo
(38:33):
Ball back in the day in the draft. Is there
a world where they say, hey, guys, you can reboot
around Lamelow, give us Curry for his final few years
and then all of a sudden, Charlotte, you know, in
the East, I think your chances are much better Curry
to do some damage. Charlotte currently twelfth in the East.
(38:53):
This kid Khan canipple rookie. Yeah, he's putting up some numbers.
And having a really good rookie year. Bridges is playing well.
Brandon Miller looks like something I don't know. Can you
do you think you could sell a LaMelo bowl trade
for goal. He's just the antithesis of the Curry era.
(39:14):
You know, he's all about himself. I mean, Steve Kerr
would have to have to leave for sure. There's no
way he's sticking around.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
With Steve Kurr should leave anyways, he probably should, Steve
Steve look, look, man, I know where he gets it.
We've been going for too long. We'll do another pot
another day. But Steve Kerr has shown over the last
few years that he has no understanding of how to
deal with young players. Yeah, between the Kaminga stuff, the
cowtow into Draymond, the way they handled Jordan Poole, you
(39:42):
know that, that the way the Yo Yo Pajemski and
all these other guys around their their lineup because they
got to appeal like what they had was great with
the Splash brothers and Draymond and what they did was
Kevin Durant, that was incredible. But that kind of stuff
runs its course and you have to reimagine yourself and
you have to you know, reinvent yourself. And he is
(40:04):
so hell bent on playing this same style, which they
don't have the pieces for, and rather than develop these
young guys and see what you have and maybe tweak
some things, there's just holding on to this idea that
Steph Curry, Draymond and guys running this motion offense is
gonna be able to take to the promised Land. And
then flash forward to about a week ago, he says,
(40:27):
I don't know if it was a radio interviewer on
a news conference where he says, people who expect we
can compete with Okac and san Antonio, like that's not it.
We can't. So it's like so yeah, so it's like, well,
what are we doing here? Then? Like why are you
holding on to the old guard of Steph Curry and
Draymond and Jimmy Butler and doing everything you can to
appease those guys. If you know you can't win, then
your plan should be what do we have in these
(40:49):
young guys? What can we do to build the next
era of Warriors basketball? And he doesn't want to or
he's incapable of doing it. So if the only way
that's gonna happen is for them to make a swing
and potentially a huge miss or a home run on
LaMelo ball, then so be it. But the way you're
trying to play both sides and sit on the fence
(41:10):
about it is just it's bad for everybody in Golden State.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, maybe we need to speak it into existence. LaMelo
ball for Steph Curry. I mean, if you're the Warriors,
that's not the worst idea in the world. You get
way younger, you just let the LaMelo. You just let
him loose with Kaminga Stan Pods. Yeah, Steve kirk Quitz,
you move off Jimmy Butler somehow and then you start
(41:35):
your new era. I mean, Labello ball. He's still young.
Was he like twenty five because he didn't go to college? Right,
hold on, No, he's got to be he's super young. Yeah,
LaMelo ball is twenty he's twenty four. Yeah, I do that.
And Charlotte don't need him because they got Miller and
some other Oh. I like it. Rob, we'll wrap on
that speaking into existence Curry for LaMelo talk to you tomorrow.
This is straight fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up fire for Bam, It's me Jason McIntyre,
Straight bowyer for Tuesday. No, it's Wednesday, January the seventh. Listen, folks,
I'm a little rattled. I'm shook. I am totally all
messed up. John Harbaugh, the long time Baltimore Ravens coach,
spent nearly two decades in Annapolis. He's been fired. We
(00:34):
are officially in the chaos stage of the head coaching carousel.
I know some people were predicting it. Oh yeah, Harball
could get run. Listen, if John Harbaugh's rookie kicker doesn't
shank a forty four yard field goal at the end
of regulation on Sunday night, the Ravens are in the playoffs,
(00:54):
and we ain't talking about John Harbaugh being on the
unemployment line. That being said, we're not going to talk
about Harbaugh in the unemployment line for long because his
resume dwarfs any other resume that is out there. You
probably will hear from some people. Listen, man, I don't
know about Harbaugh. Are we sure he's the top candidate? Folks?
(01:15):
When you're applying to a job, they look at all
the resumes. Okay, John Harball by a mile has a
better resume than any other coaching candidate. It's not even close.
Kevin Stevenski has two Coach of the Years, Mike McCarthy
has a Super Bowl. Do you understand what John Harbaugh
(01:36):
has done? Guys? And I saw this amazing, amazing tweet
from some guy who said John Harbaugh's last four seasons
ended this way and it was the shank from the kicker.
I think his name is Lup Tyler Loup. Okay, there
was Zaveflowers against the Chiefs in an unbelievable, unbelievable fumble
(02:01):
at the goal line. There was that was two years ago.
There was Mark Andrews dropping an automatic catch in the
end zone against the Bills in a memorable playoff game.
And then there was a tush push failed against the Bengals,
I believe, with their backup quarterback an unlucky run. Now
you could say all you want, oh, well, Harpball's not
(02:22):
that good of a coach. Okay, fine, I mean if
you could say that, but just because you're saying it
doesn't make it true. Like you could say whatever you want.
Maybe you don't like him, maybe Oh, well, he's sixty three.
He's a special teams guy. Folks, you don't stay around
that long if you're not a good coach. Knowing what
he's doing, I mean, playoffs success is important. Thirteen and
(02:45):
eleven record in the playoffs. I know, he hasn't won
a super Bowl since twenty twelve. All these people yell, oh,
what about John Gruden. He hasn't won a playoff game
in longer than that. I mean, Harpball was in the
AFC Championship in twenty twenty three, he was in the
divisional game in twenty four, twenty and nineteen, he was.
(03:06):
He won the Super Bowl in twelve. In eleven, he
lost in the AFC title game. Like, the guy has
had a lot of success. Let's remember I love how
people do well. He had Lamar Jackson. Guys, who was
Lamar Jackson. Oh he was a guy that was gonna
fall out of the first round, and the raven said,
let's trade back into the first round and grab him.
(03:27):
We've got a statue in the pocket in Joe Flacco
and Lamar is the antithesis of Joe Flacco. But let's
do it anyway. And it worked amazingly. That's the kind
of stuff that makes a head coach amazing. Now you
could say, well, it was the OC, maybe it was
the JOC. You could say it was the GM, maybe
it was the GM. But John Harbaugh sure his shit
played a huge factor in that. Are you kidding me?
(03:47):
That's why these guys, Well, Belichick had Brady for so long.
Who was Brady? Everybody passed on him in the draft?
Everyone he was a sixth rounder. He only got on
the field because mo Lewis Drew Brees and sorry not
Drew Brees, Drew Bledsoe into next year. That's the only
reason he got on the field. I mean, guys, we're
(04:09):
trying to rewrite history here and it's not looking good.
Bottom line, is John Harbaugh one with a true pocket
quarterback in Flacco. He won with an amazing talented dual
threat quarterback in Lamar Jackson, and I'm pretty sure he's
gonna win the next place he goes, unless that's Cleveland
(04:32):
of the Jets, then it's a toss up. But in
all seriousness, I think, without a doubt, the New York
Giants are the leader for this. It makes way too
much sense regionally. It's a blue blood program that's gonna
do whatever he wants. They have Joe Shane as GM.
If Harbaugh says I want to bring in my own guy,
I'm sure Joe Shane will get dusted in a heartbeat.
(04:55):
There's no arguing that John Harbaugh is the best coach
on the mark. There isn't. There really is no case
for Oh, what about Brian Floraes, what about Jesse Minter.
They might be fine coaches, but right now they've never
been a head coach before. Never. I mean, we didn't
know Ben Johnson or Liam Cohen would be this good.
(05:18):
We thought, okay, Ben Johnson, great offensive coordinator. Nobody had
them winning the division and being this good. Nobody, guys,
it's just nobody. And this idea that John Harball, well,
I don't know how I had ended in Baltimore. Once
you pay the quarterback, you're kind of shafted. And it's
funny because you remember that big story right around Christmas
(05:39):
from I believe his name is Preston, Mike Preston in
one of those Baltimore media outlets talking about how the
situation with Lamar was not great. Harball kind of defended
in there was work, work, habits, sleeping in meetings. Lamar
denied the sleeping. I don't know. It was just not
one of these unified fronts where it was like, hey,
(06:00):
we're on the same page. You guys are way wrong,
We're to you know. It just didn't feel like that
at all. And now Harball's gone and we'll see what
happened with Lamar. I guess they're gonna pay Lamar. I
don't know. He wants a new deal. You want to
pay him. I mean, his cap hit is massive. He
definitely lost a step this season. Maybe it was the
injuries and we'll get it back. But I don't know, Guys,
(06:22):
this feels it was an amazing run. Tomlin Harball will
live forever as one of the great rivalries. I'm just
a little surprised, honestly, Like I really did not think
he would get run. And now a new era begins
in Baltimore. So it's funny after this news hit, Rob
(06:43):
g and I had actually recorded something talking about other
movement around the league, Black Friday, little NBA action, and
we've got that for you now. So we will pivot
from the just amazing Harbaugh news to Cliff Kingsbury.
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I'm sitting there on the side of the herd Tuesday,
and all of a sudden, the news comes across Cliff
Kingsbury and Dan Quinn have parted ways. Kingsbury will not
remain with Washington, he will move on. And I was
just like, what so? A year ago? At this time,
Kingsbury was a genius. Jaden Daniels had one of the
(07:35):
great rookie seasons in NFL history, and they end up
going to the NSC Championship Game. So year two, a
lot of people love Washington. I was a little lukewarm obviously.
The defense old as hell, and then Jaden gets hurt
early and often, and they tumble and are terrible. Jayden
Daniels is in year two and Kingsbury's leaving. What so
(08:00):
Aden will go INTI He'll have gone amazing rookie year,
historically great stuff. Injury plagued, and then year three with
a new offensive coordinator so new schemes knew everything. I
this deserves a major deep dive. I'm hoping that some
reporter in Washington could break it wide open. I know
Kingsbury has a check of pass. People don't like him.
(08:21):
Oh he's not an alpha, he can't be hard on players.
Come on, Kingsbury, what did he win in Arizona? Well,
I don't know. He had. Kyler Murray had the best
season of his career and got to the playoffs. They
didn't win, but they eclipsed their win total. Got to
the playoffs, lost to the Rams, who I think went
on to win the Super Bowl. I'm not one hundred percent sure. Maybe,
(08:43):
but bottom line is they lost to a better team
than Rams on the road, and Kingsbury leaves in, Oh,
how's how's Kyler done? By the way? Oh awful? And
they want to move off am Interesting. Yeah, so Cliff
bought the best out of a young quarterback in Kyle Libray.
So then Cliff goes to Jayden Daniels and, like I said,
a historic rookie year. So he knows how to work
with young quarterbacks. You're telling me he's not gonna get
(09:04):
a plumb head coaching job. I don't know. The New
York Giants have Jackson Dark who is a young quarterback.
The Tennessee Titans have cam Ward who is a young quarterback,
and frankly, the Raiders. Rob G's Raiders gonna be picking first.
They're gonna be taking Mendozo or Dante Moore. You don't
think they could use Cliff Kingsbury. So I'm I'm just
(09:26):
stunned by this move off Listen. Obviously, Kingsbury is gonna
be a little bit behind Kevin Stefanski in some of
these interviews because I think Stefanski's accomplished more. But I'm
way above market on Cliff Kingsbury. And yes, Rob, I've
seen all the stats about how Kingsbury in the second
half of season's teams catch up with his offense and
they slow down. Didn't happen to Daniels, but whatever. And
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I know that it didn't really work out for him
in college. He had some okay runs, but never was
able to really win much. And you know, he's one
of these McVeigh types who's a handsome guy, he's young,
he's energetic, he's creative offense. But the big difference is
McVeigh can command a locker room. Kingsbury so far has not.
So Rob, I'll posit this team for all the naysayers
(10:10):
on Kingsbury, Ye had no thanks. I'm gonna look to
the positive and say, well, wait a minute, what if
he took that job in Washington because A he got
to work with a superstar young quarterback and B he
got to work under a hard ass named dan Quinn
who would show him maybe how to crack hard and
bust heads when you need to. And what if he's like,
(10:33):
I picked it up. There's some good head coaching openings.
I this whole hearting of ways. Josina Anderson had a
report where she was saying that essentially there was some
disagreements on the offense. That that's interesting. What does dan
Quinn know about offense? He's a defensive guy his whole life,
and so if you're disagreeing on what the offen should
(10:54):
look like, I mean, yeah, Cliff's gonna move on. But
I wonder if that's cover for well, you know, I
think there's something in cam Ward and that division. I
like what I see from Jackson Dart, who's very mobile.
We know Cliff likes mobile quarterbacks. Who can you know
the RPOs on the move? I mean, cam Ward is
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that Jackson Dart is that Mendoza is not as much,
but he's not like a cement shoes in the pocket.
So my hot take here is that Kingsbury saw an
opening and said, you know what, I'm gonna bounce because
I think dan Quinn's in trouble. This defense stings. They
fired the defensive coordinator in Washington yesterday as well, and
rog Gie, I think this is an elevation coming for
(11:38):
Cliff Kingsbury. I think he will move up. I think
he's gonna get a head coaching job. And frankly, I
know a lot of people are like, oh yeah, gimme
Brian Flores, give me jesse mentro I get all that.
I would, as we always talk about, I would lean
offense here. I'm curious, rob, do you want Kingsbury as
your head coach with the Raiders? You got Mendoza, genty Bowers.
That's a good offensive nucleus. I think he could do
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damage with that in the desert.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
You know, Jamck, I think you're half right with all
of this, because I do believe to your point that
Cliff Kingsbury has bigger fish to fry than being in
OC in the NFL. I mean, he was even a
candidate for the Raiders OC gig last year before they
gave to Chip Kelly. So that's a different conversation right there.
And I agree with you. I think that in his
mind he is just as good as the McVeigh, Shanahan,
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you know, Tree, Like he's one of those type of
guys where the reason why I say you're only half right, though,
is I believe that this parting of the ways was
less about him wanting to get into this cycle now
and more about dan Quinn trying to save his bacon.
Because to your point, you said it right there at
the end, he cleared out the OC and the DC.
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And usually when that happens and the head coach is
the last man standing, it's because he knows that his
butt's on the line and he's got to do something
to turn the tide there in Washington, like we saw
Sean mcderry that McDermot do that in Buffalo a couple
of times. I've seen this happen. I think it was
all in Chicago a couple of years ago. Like this
happens regularly when coaches know they're on the hot seat.
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And I think that that dan Quinn. The way that
things went this season, obviously, when you have Jaden and
Daniels being hurt, you know, that's gonna change the things
a little bit. But even when he was out there,
they didn't look good like as a team. They took
a big step back from year one a year two.
So that's where I think that is. But to your
overall point about Cliff Kingsbury, I'm skeptical of him personally
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just because all the things that you mentioned or think
that would be a red flag to me. You know,
he's kind of a little too cool for school, not
really disciplinarian, not really you know, a football guy, all quotes,
you know, the way they say. He's more of like
a New Age type of dude. Having said that, when
you have friend of the podcast, NFL insider Jordan Schultz
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coming out on Tuesday and saying that Jade and Daniels
was quote blindsided by the Kingsbury news and that Daniels
and several of his team were quote disappointed with the decision.
That's face volumes, but that's huge because they thought they
were building something and Jade and Daniels, you know, so
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much of being a successful Unflur quarterback is not about
your talent, because all these guys are talented. Trevor Lawrence
is talented. Kaylor One is talented. You don't know if
they're going to reach their full potential like Trevor Lawrence
is now if you don't have the right stuff around you.
And I believe that Jaden Daniels thought that Cliff Kingsbury,
that they're pairing together, was gonna maximize his talent. And
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who's to say now that in year three and year four,
maybe they don't get it right with the OC, or
they get a guy where it takes a year to
figure things out. And instead of saying Jaden Daniels is
the next guy to crack that Burrow mahomes Alan Jackson,
you know, fearsome, forsome, maybe it's a conversation like, hey,
remember when we thought CJ. Stroudard's gonna be that guy
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and they fumbled around their OC for a couple of
seasons and it looks like he peaked as a rookie
and never really got better. Like that's the risk you
run when you get rid of a guy like Cliff
Kingsbury who made such good music with your starting quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeh, never good when your offense is blindsided. So I'm
looking at their schedule. So they beat the Giants, lost
to the Packers. The Packers understandable. They smashed the Raiders,
then they lost a tough one to the Falcons with
Mariota quarterback. Daniels comes back and beats the Chargers. I
was at that game. Chargers are in control early and
there was like one big play and boom, Daniels gets
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them right back in the game. So at that point
they're three and two with Jayden Daniels. Then they lose
a heartbreaker of the Bears at home in the rain,
and that's when things went off the Rails. Daniels gets
hurt against Dallas, they get smashed, and then they didn't
win a game again for like two months. And you know,
Daniels missed like all of them, came back to early
against Minnesota, came back to early against Seattle like he
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just tried to play through injury. I'm just I think
you can automatically cross Washington. Well not, let me not
say automatically. I don't you know you're looking at potential
playoff teams fort year because we're always spinning it forward.
I don't think I think Washington's are in a rebuild.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Yep, they got the rookie.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Quarterback, but the defense needs like fifty pieces. They need
The Deebo Samuel deal didn't work out, even though he
led them in receptions. I liked it at the time,
it just didn't work. And they now have an uphill
clim because Rob, you know, we're gonna have Daniel Jeremiah
on the pod here shortly. He likes the Giants a lot,
and I'll be honest, I think the Cowboys have a
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better roster. I would look at Washington in the cellar
next year. In the NFC East, I don't think it's great.
And then you look at the NFC North. Every team
was above five hundred. The NFC South stinks. We get
that the NFC West is probably the best division in
football with three playoff teams. So there's no path to
the playoffs for Washington other than Jaydon Daniels being superhuman
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in the defense, playing way above their head. I don't
know that we're gonna get that. I think you're right,
Dan Quinn, probably on the clock in DC and uh yeah,
that's a tough one. So let me ask you about
Kings three. The Raiders are gonna be attractive. Have the
number one pick, I know there's a bunch of stories
out there swirling about, well Brady Brady was having an
input on the Raiders team that went sideways. That's Pete
(17:09):
Carroll's spin. Okay, Pete Carroll's people are coming out and say, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Don't blame this on me. I didn't want to go
out like this, but I didn't handpicked by O C
and blah blah blah blah. I everybody's spinning to make
themselves look good. Who picked Gino Smith? I will never
get a clear answer. You know, you'll never hear official
(17:31):
word that yes, I wanted Gino Smith above all, I
was pounding the table. Nobody will admit that he led
the league in interceptions. But you can reboot quickly, man.
I honestly the idea of floor what's better to you
Flores and Dabole Combo or Kingsbury as head coach? Combo
because I always lean offensive guy. I don't know if
I don't know if you're rocking with that, Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Especially if you have a young quarterback. I'm gonna go
with the young guru, offensive minded guy. And especially and
this is even though I'd like Brian Flores I think
he'd be a solid addition to whatever team he goes to,
even if it is the Raiders. You forget that when
he was win Miami and things ended badly there for him.
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They were winning, they were you know. I think he
actually got fired because they want too much. If you
remember the investigation right, like, there was a finding of
the owner because the owner wanted him to lose. But
the bigger story with that situation was they had their
young quarterback and it was Tua, and Brian Flores mismanaged
the hall at it Tua in that first year, I
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think a year and a half, kept ying yoyoing back
and forth with him and Ryan Fitzpatrick because he's like, hey,
I got to win now, and Fitzpatrick gives me a
better chance to win. I'm not interested in developing a
young quarterback. So that's the drawback. If you're the Raiders
and you're dead set on Mendoza or more and one
of those guys at your quarterback or the future, can
we trust that in this hypothetical scenario, Brian Daball is
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going to be able to be the good cop to
Brian Flores's bad cop and kind of keep him at bay.
While he develops this young guy. That's the question, because
I think that we know the answer with Cliff Kingsbury.
He did it pretty well with Kyler Murray. Say what
you want about how he's turned out the last couple
of years. When he was with Cliff, he had his
best seasons, and he did it with Jayden Daniels. So
if your number one goal is to develop the quarterback,
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give me Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
Okay, So I floated this scenario. So obviously, you know,
I don't want to talk about the Jets again. I
know you guys hate you talk about the Jets. But
you know, I saw Todd mcshade. We might have to
get him on the podcast. I used to know him.
He had some issues at ESPN, and and now he's
like I think he's who's he with Bill Simmons.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
I think maybe I think he was with Simmons. He
might be doing his own thing as well.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Okay, So he had a take that Dante Moore should
tell the Jets bleep you and stay in college and
make you know, five million dollars or whatever it is
at Oregon. Okay, I love that, and that's a little bit. Yeah,
of course, everybody listen, everybody, let's crap it on the Jets. Fine,
I get it, cool, enjoy it. I think the reality
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is this is in play rob So Oregon, Indiana. I
think is Friday night. What if Dante Moore has a
wail of a game, outplays Mendoza and that Indiana defense
and Dante Moore goes I don't know, three twenty five
three touchdowns and Oregon wins thirty five thirty okay, all
(20:26):
of a sudden that changes the draft discussion. Oh my gosh,
super high profile game, twenty million people watching. Dante Moore's him,
He's him, and all of a sudden, the Raiders turn
their attention from Mendoza, who everybody liked all season, to
Dante Moore, and then the Jets have Mendoza fall into
their lap. At that point, I would I would strongly
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consider dumping Aaron Glenn and saying, Kingsbury, we want you
to be our offensive coordinator or I'm sorry, we want
you to be our head coach. We're dumping Glenn come
in as head coach mentor Mendoza. I would be on
board with that in a heartbeat. Now, the problem is,
Dante Moore did not look great against Sexis Tech. I
didn't see it. He also didn't look great against Indiana.
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He's looked good in other games, but they were not
great opponents. Clean pocket guy's running wide open. Sure he's
gonna crush, but making plays happen when things break down,
when they take away your first read, like, we'll see
that on display. I don't know, Rob, do you have
a lean Mendoza or more? Do you? I mean you
might think More goes back to school.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Yeah, I definitely think he's gona go back to school,
even though I don't want him to. Because full disclosure,
I know that I'm not Daniel Jeremiah, I'm not Todd Mayshe.
But the guy I believe has the higher ceiling is
Dante Moore over Fernando Mendoza. And I think what you
saw in that I wasn't call it a bowl game.
What you saw in that college football playoff quarter final
game stupid, is that Dante Moore is a guy who
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has what less than fifteen starts under his belt in
college Yeah, and Fernando Mendoza is a guy who has
like thirty five starts under his belt. And even Mendoza
didn't look great against some of the best competition. You know,
this past season, I know he looked awesome there against Alabama,
and you know in the rainyar South California. He looked
really good in the Big Ten Championship at Ohio State.
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But if you'll recall against Penn State, I remember the
game winning drive. He looked really bad in that game
through three and a half quarters, and then he turned
it on there at the end. And so what you're
seeing when it comes to those two guys, in my opinion,
you're gonna have the established, the polished passer in Fernano Mendoza,
who I believe is gonna come into the NFL and
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be better than Dante Moore just because he's gonna be
more seasoned, he's gonna have seen More's. He plays the
quarterback in a classic way better than I think Dante
More does at this stage in his career. But Dante
Moore has so much more upside with his physical gifts.
That's the only drawback to me with Mendoza is he
has the height, but I don't know if he has
any of the measurables you look for in a slam
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dug number one overall pick. And so that's going to
be an interesting conversation because if you're a team like
my Raiders or like your Jets, or you know, pick
whoever might potentially try to trade up when you know
that your roster is two or three years away, I
would much rather roll the dice on the upside guy
than the guy who's gonna come in and just be solid.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Interesting. So, some of the things you were saying there
makes sense. But I don't know if you saw this
stat So there's fourteen playoff teams, right, Twelve of the
fourteen quarterbacks were first round picks. The only two that
were not Jalen Hurt second and Rock Purty dead last
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in the draft. Yep, everyone else first round pick. So
we're headed toward an arrow where it's like, Okay, you're
either a first round pick and you're going to be
a quarterback or you're not. There just aren't a lot
of those guys sneaking through the cracks. I mean, yeah,
we've had a couple, you know, Gino Smith made the
playoffs one year, he wasn't a first round pick. Russell
Wilson had a good run, Dak Prescott like yeah, but
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by and large its first round picks. So if you
don't think if people think Moore is a second round pick,
I don't think he comes out right. You could stay
at Oregon and make I don't know, three million dollars a.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Year, or you could make more than that. I mean,
I don't know if you saw this. The Athletic published
the piece that came out on Tuesday, and in it
they were discussing how the transfer portals kind of running.
Look that you got basically a third of one out
of every three college football players is in the portal
right now, or or it was in it and has
now picked a new team or whatever. In it, they
(24:36):
discuss how there was supposed to be a salary cap,
right remember the House representative of incaas there's gonna be
twenty and a half million dollars across the board, so
everybody has the same opportunity to get players, and that
was going to be the thing according to the Athletic
and the survey of all the you know, gms around
college football, with the third party nil being the way
that it is you can get players and kind of
(24:58):
quote unquote circumvent the cap. So they're saying teams are
spending like thirty million dollars and that the athletic. This
is in the athletic and that the average going rates
for a transferred portal quarterback. And this is just the
average guy. They said, the best guys are going to
exceed this amount is between one and four million dollars.
And they expect guys like u is It Levit from
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Arizona State and another kid who his name escapes me
that they're gonna be getting, you know, between five and
seven million dollars in the portal. So if you're Dante Moore,
I know you don't have to enter the portal, but
you know you could nudge Phil and Dy and say, hey,
instead of me going to the pros, I'm not jumping
in the portal. But if I jump to the NFL,
maybe you make it work for a while so I
can stay here another season.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Well that's interesting because if they beat Indiana, most of
the seats are going to be taken in the quarterback
musical chairs game.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Right.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Sure, some people are claiming Dylan Reyola is waiting on
Dante Moore before he commits to Oregon. That's the Nebraska
Patrick Mahomes look alike. But I don't know. I mean,
the guys are starting to pick and like, I don't know,
that becomes interesting because I don't know what to make
them more. I mean, he looks good, but that game
against Texas Tech was not impressive. I know the body
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of work is one season. I mean, we need to
see more, But I mean, can the Jets risk see more?
You know, I don't know. They don't have time.
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Speaker 2 (26:32):
All right, let's quickly pivot to the NBA rob because
there was a bomb dropped yesterday by Shams that Trey
Young and his agents are working with the Hawks on
a trade. Now, everybody knows Trey Young still do about
eighty some odd million dollars the rest of this year
and next year by your option. Next year, he's definitely
gonna pick that up. And after that, who knows. We're
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in a weird era in the NBA. This new second
aprin is so punitive that unless you're really elite, there's
no more. Well, we'll give him the deal and figure
it out later. You're just not doing that. Nobody wants
to pay very punitive luxury taxes for a you know,
a nine seed that it gets knocked out on the plane.
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The rich guys saying that's not worth it. I'm not
cutting a check for two hundred million dollars, you know,
for a team that doesn't even make the first round.
And the Hawks are now better without Trey Young. And
I feel kind of bad because Rob, he was and
not that long ago, really freaking good and had the
Hawks in the Eastern Conference finals, and my, how quickly
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things have faded. He don't play a lot of defense,
but we've always known that that hasn't really changed. Hawk's
currently tenth in the East, tied with the Milwaukee Bucks.
This is interesting, Rob. So the market seems very very thin.
Everybody's speculating the Wizards some sort of CJ column salary dump,
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nothing sexy. It would essentially be Trey Young to the
Wizards for CJ McCollum filler. And you're probably gonna have
to give up a good pick if it like, attach
it to Trey Young, whether it's a high second or
a late first. But that's the deal that everybody kind
(28:24):
of agrees is top line. The interesting one is do
the Milwaukee Bucks throw one last hail Mary to partner
him with Yannis? Or or are you ready for this?
Do the Bucks say we're not going anywhere with Yannis,
he ain't signing with us. Why don't we get Trey
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Young who will help us clean up our books in
two years? He could stabilize things as a point guard.
Maybe we make the playoffs, whatever, but we'll take on
Trey Young and we ain't. You know, we'll probably not
making the playoffs. The reality is, but guess what after
next year, we're in much better cap shape. We'll take
a two year hit, not really be competitive. Maybe Tray
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Young sells some jerseys because he's fun and exciting. Maybe
he drops a fifty burger I don't know, twice a month,
I who knows. But we get out of this Giannis thing.
We don't make it ugly, we don't get an awful deal.
And after two years, guess what, we're off Trey Young.
We start to get our picks back. The Damian Lillard
thing will be done. Maybe there's something there to do.
(29:31):
The Bucks and Trey Young do anything for you, j Mac.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
We talked about this two or three weeks ago. Remember
Rich Paul floated Jalen Johnson to the Bucks. Remember that
for Yiannis? Oh yeah, yeah, and you and I said
on this podcast we did that. It's it's less It's
unlikely obviously that they're gonna trade Jalen Johnson because he's
like their franchise guy in Atlanta right now. It's more
likely that the Hawk that the Bucks would try to
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be buyers and say, hey, how about instead of doing
a deal where we send you Yannis for Jalen Johnson,
how about you send us Trey Young. And they called
us the mad Man and we were getting tweets about
it and dms about it, saying, you guys are crazy.
There's no way that the Hawks are going to trade
Tree Young for the Bucks. The Bucks don't have anything.
And yet I'm looking at ESPN dot com as you
were reading that story and talking about what's going on,
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and of course washing is number one, because there seem
to be the place where NBA careers go to die.
So if you're going to trade somebody, trade him there.
The second most likely team is the Milwaukee Bucks for
all the reasons that you mentioned. Because if you have
this pipe dream of satisfying Giannis and the idea that
we can keep him long term and we can win
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it a high clip. And do you know whatever it
is they think that they can do in Milwaukee, which
they've been doing for years now, because if one thing
that people don't I don't think realize with that Land,
excuse me with Milwaukee is they have been pushing all
in time and time again. Like you view the roster
now you say, oh, no, it was a tear down. No no,
it wasn't. Like they thought that they needed more scoring punch.
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So that's why they got off the Drew Holliday thing.
For Dame. They thought that Chris Middleton's knees were shot,
so that's why they traded him and tried to add
something else with that. They do the sign and trade
with the Miles Turner to get off the Dame Litdard
and they're pushing all their chips further and further down.
They're gonna pay the piper eventually, but for now they
want to win. And to your point, if you can
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make this deal for Trey Young, ESPN floated out Kuzma,
Portis Harris and potentially a first round pick like that's
nothing for a guy like Trey Young. For the upside,
of a Trey Young. Kyle Kuzma is the sunk cost.
Bobby Portis is, you know, is a good player, but
when you already have Giannis and Turner, he kind of
becomes what you're third fourth big man. Gary Harris is
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a rotational guy. It is what it is, the upside
hypothetically of a Tray Young Jannis pairing. I don't think
he's gonna win you a championship, but in a water
down Eastern Conference, you can get to the second round,
maybe even the conference finals with that. So why wouldn't
you take the risk If it doesn't work out two
years from now they're both gone anyways, It is what
it is. You recoup some of those assets with Giannis
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that you gave up, because when you trade him, you
get something back.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So are you you're saying that they would move off
of this Portois? Who who are the guys again?
Speaker 3 (32:17):
They said Kuzma, Portis, Harris, and a first round pick.
Because then if you're Atlanta, the reason why the Washington
is being floated is you get expiring contracts. But according
to Mark Stein, you'd have to throw in a pick
attach the Trey Young to get off of him.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I think you got to do that. Yeah, and in.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
This situation, because you know, I think Kuzma, Portis and
Harris have longer deals, you'd actually be getting a pick.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
See. The only problem with that the Bucks giving up
twenty thirty one. I know you say, in two years,
if it doesn't work, they're both gone. But I don't
think the Bucks have any picks then for like what
two years would be twenty seven. I don't think they
have their twenty eight, twenty nine to thirty first round pick.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, that's where the Yanis trade comes in. If this
doesn't go well and it fails spectacular, which it probably
will for being honest, you know, like the upside is there,
but so was the downside.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Oh so you think Giannis can fetch you three or.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Four, Yeah, then gianna Is gonna get you three picks
back you're and then you're right back where you started.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Very curious if anybody bites on that. The problem is,
like I think that Lakers stuff with Trey Young was
it last summer or two summers ago?
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Two summers ago?
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Yeah, it was fun and smart on the part of
the Hawks or his agent trying to get ahead of
this and move him. But the Lakers were good to
dodge at bullet, Like, can you imagine if they gave
up Buston Reeve for Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (33:36):
Yeah, though that was the clutch Sports Ridge Paul Special
where he was trying to get all the guys to
LA and then eventually Trey Young got a new agent,
so that kind of changed the whole calculus.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Yeah, I don't. Yeah, it's so strange how quickly he's
fallen out of favor. Man, this guy was a top
five pick. So DeAndre Ayton is on his Let me
look at that draft. What was it twenty nineteen? I think, oh,
I think all the top five picks.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
It was eight and Bagley, Luca, Trey Young. Right, that
was the first four.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
So nineteen was Zion and John Morant. Twenty eighteen Anthony Edwards. Yeah,
so twenty eighteen, the number one pick was DeAndre Ayton.
He he was Sons, he was Blazers, and then he
likely I think, yeah, so he's on his thirteen. Marvin
Bagley the third. I mean, he's been on a ton
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of teams. He's currently on the Wizards. He's had some injuries,
Luca third pick, he's on his second team. Jaron Jackson
Junior is still in Memphis, Trey Young about to be
on his second team, and unbelievable turn of events, Luca
was traded for Trey Young. Yeah, this is how bad
the draft with Mobamba went six. I think he's cooking
in like the G League. Oh no, he's on the
(34:53):
rap He just got called up to the Raptors. H
But Wendell Carter, he's kind of Orlando, Chicago, Collins, Sex
And it's weird. Man. You look back at some of
these drafts, like, none of these guys were good. I mean,
we could wrap up with this rub. Have you followed
the Warrior situation lately.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Peripherally just a little bit.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It seems like everybody's losing their mind because on the team,
because they realized we don't have anything here. They're currently
eight in the West by three games. They're in the playoffs.
The Clippers are surging. Okay, they're they're trying hard because
they have they don't have their picks. I don't think
Dallas is going to be competitive. They're they more likely
(35:34):
to dump a D. But the Golden State Warriors are
one game above five hundred. Steve Kerr is getting tossed
from games Draymond Green and Steve Kerr beefing on the bench.
Draymond is getting tossed from games, and all the while
Steph Curry is, you know, playing amazing, and they're not
going anywhere and they're probably gonna lose in the plane.
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Curry currently had twenty eight points per game. He's shooting
thirty nine percent from deep. Did Jimmy Butler thing? I know,
they tried rob they tried real hardy. It just it's
not really working. And the Curry injury last year cooked them.
After they got the first round. Who they beat in
the first round? They bee Houston, Houston, that's right in seven,
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and then Curry gets hurt in the first game against
Minnesota and that was it. I don't think they win
another playoff series with this group. It seems like it's
just a powder keg. But especially with the Draymond and
Kurr stuff, and then underlying everything is the Steph Curry.
What do you do with Curry? Do you just tell him, hey, man,
we're really sorry, we can't build anything around you, or
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do you say, hey, we're sorry, we couldn't. Do you
want us to trade you? Is there anywhere you want
to go? I don't how do you ask Steph Curry
that he's mister Warriors. But as we've talked about on
the pod over the years, Rob, I mean, you look
at everybody. Go look at where Scottie Pippen was in
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his late thirties. Go look at Michael Jordan after he
came back and retired. He was with the Wizards trying
to win. Who is the achemological Look at Lebron James.
Lebron James has bounced around, Kevin Viewing, Kevin dur Everybody's
bounced around. I know the idea of being a lifer,
like Magic and Larry and Isaiah, is alluring and cool.
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I don't know, man, I mean, I know he's gotten
used to the area and his family and all that stuff,
and I get that you want to be near the kids.
But Rob, it's it's getting late early, Bro, I don't
know how you fix this. It's just not fun like
in the NFL right now, No Lamar, no Borough, no
Mahomes in the playoffs. That could be a year or two.
I don't know. This might be the new normal. But
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Curry's thirty seven turning thirty eight in March. Can we
get him another playoff run. I don't know if you
can facilitate or trade. It's just not happening in Golden State.
They can't get Yannis and there's no path I mean
there's They're not even a top six team. I don't
if everybody's healthy, it doesn't matter. So what do you
do with Steph Curry? I don't even have a let now.
(38:10):
I do know he was born in Cleveland, right, akrons hospitality,
He grew up in Carolina, grew up in Carolina. Cleveland
is down bad. After last year's Fugazi season where everything
went right, this year nothing's going right. They're a five
hundred team Carolina. I mean, Charlotte is what middling. I mean,
if you are the Warriors, you could have had LaMelo
(38:33):
Ball back in the day in the draft. Is there
a world where they say, hey, guys, you can reboot
around Lamelow, give us Curry for his final few years
and then all of a sudden, Charlotte, you know, in
the East, I think your chances are much better Curry
to do some damage. Charlotte currently twelfth in the East.
(38:53):
This kid Khan canipple rookie. Yeah, he's putting up some numbers.
And having a really good rookie year. Bridges is playing well.
Brandon Miller looks like something I don't know. Can you
do you think you could sell a LaMelo bowl trade
for goal. He's just the antithesis of the Curry era.
(39:14):
You know, he's all about himself. I mean, Steve Kerr
would have to have to leave for sure. There's no
way he's sticking around.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
With Steve Kurr should leave anyways, he probably should, Steve
Steve look, look, man, I know where he gets it.
We've been going for too long. We'll do another pot
another day. But Steve Kerr has shown over the last
few years that he has no understanding of how to
deal with young players. Yeah, between the Kaminga stuff, the
cowtow into Draymond, the way they handled Jordan Poole, you
(39:42):
know that, that the way the Yo Yo Pajemski and
all these other guys around their their lineup because they
got to appeal like what they had was great with
the Splash brothers and Draymond and what they did was
Kevin Durant, that was incredible. But that kind of stuff
runs its course and you have to reimagine yourself and
you have to you know, reinvent yourself. And he is
(40:04):
so hell bent on playing this same style, which they
don't have the pieces for, and rather than develop these
young guys and see what you have and maybe tweak
some things, there's just holding on to this idea that
Steph Curry, Draymond and guys running this motion offense is
gonna be able to take to the promised Land. And
then flash forward to about a week ago, he says,
(40:27):
I don't know if it was a radio interviewer on
a news conference where he says, people who expect we
can compete with Okac and san Antonio, like that's not it.
We can't. So it's like so yeah, so it's like, well,
what are we doing here? Then? Like why are you
holding on to the old guard of Steph Curry and
Draymond and Jimmy Butler and doing everything you can to
appease those guys. If you know you can't win, then
your plan should be what do we have in these
(40:49):
young guys? What can we do to build the next
era of Warriors basketball? And he doesn't want to or
he's incapable of doing it. So if the only way
that's gonna happen is for them to make a swing
and potentially a huge miss or a home run on
LaMelo ball, then so be it. But the way you're
trying to play both sides and sit on the fence
(41:10):
about it is just it's bad for everybody in Golden State.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
Yeah, maybe we need to speak it into existence. LaMelo
ball for Steph Curry. I mean, if you're the Warriors,
that's not the worst idea in the world. You get
way younger, you just let the LaMelo. You just let
him loose with Kaminga Stan Pods. Yeah, Steve kirk Quitz,
you move off Jimmy Butler somehow and then you start
(41:35):
your new era. I mean, Labello ball. He's still young.
Was he like twenty five because he didn't go to college? Right,
hold on, No, he's got to be he's super young. Yeah,
LaMelo ball is twenty he's twenty four. Yeah, I do that.
And Charlotte don't need him because they got Miller and
some other Oh. I like it. Rob, we'll wrap on
that speaking into existence Curry for LaMelo talk to you tomorrow.
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