August 2, 2024 • 32 mins
On today’s episode, Jason discusses the official return of NFL football and his early feelings on the new 'dynamic kickoff' rule and why Simone Biles' dominance in the sport of gymnastics reaches him in a very personal way. Later, J-Mac shares his thoughts on the Olympic boxing 'controversy' involving Algeria's Imane Khelif and whether or not she should have been allowed to fight, how social media helped spread the misinformation that turned Khelif into such a big target and why it's clear that the vitriol being directed her way stems from identity politics.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up? Straight firefam hits me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Fire for Friday, August the second. Oh boy, the football
season is underway kind of sort of. I don't know
what you guys thought of that preseason game. Not the
crispest of football. But I'll say this. I will say this,
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The new kickoff had me just kind of sitting there
slack jawed, and I had to rewind a couple times
and you just kind of watch it. It's gonna take
a little while to get used to that. That is
the thing that jumped off the page from the Hall
of Fame game, which by the way, was called early
due to inclement weather. That's a new one. But I
think the kickoff that's really the only takeaway you can have.
I'm not gonna get worked up about a fifth round
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pick who had a sack. You know, there's a you know,
offensive lineman who looked good in his first first career
NFL started, Like, come on, I can't get too worked
up about that. Plus, I don't really care about these teams,
although the Bears are going to be interesting this season.
I just the whole kickoff thing Now, Rob, I don't
know if you were as I don't know that I
was shook, but without question, that kind of jumped off
(01:15):
the screen as this is different, this is new. It's
gonna take some time to adjusts. And as I watched
the kickoffs, I'm like, hmm, how can teams take advantage
of this? And I want they're not going to show
anything in the preseason, but you know, somebody creative is
looking through all the rules. You know, if Belichick were
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still coaching, he probably would have already found it. But
Belichick loves to push the envelope, whether it's a six
offensive lineman tackle eligible. He was always cooking up something.
And you know we are talking about mister spygate. But
I don't know, Rob. I thought the kickoffs were fascinating.
I'm very excited for them this season. And it seems
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to me like team are gonna get are gonna be
tinkering with kickoffs more than say touchdown commercial, come back
kickoff commercial, you know, like just standard operating procedure. I
feel like kickoffs are gonna be something this year.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I hope so, because if last night's game was INDI
indication they need to change the name it cannot be
called the dynamic kickoff when the average return is twenty
two yards. Ye, and of the five kickoffs, two of
them had illegal formation penalties.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So obviously they're working out the kinks.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I agree with you that these special teams coordinators
and head coaches, they're saving all their best stuff for
the regular They're not gonna show anything in the preseason.
I think right now, it's just trying to get everyone
aligned right, make sure they understand the rules to a
te so that they don't have these penalties moving forward.
But I mean, it was okay. I mean, to be honest,
I missed the old kickoff because I thought that that
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was more exciting than what we saw last night. But
you know, the first time, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm largely with you. It was different.
I am you know. There was some NFL stuff popping
around the league. I mean, listen, I'm sorry. I'm just
gonna give you the heads up. I'm going to talk
about this Olympic boxing story. You're not gonna like it,
but I gotta talk about that. We'll get to that
short shortly. I just want to let you guys now,
I'm not a dodging it. Listen, everybody, as I'm on
(03:21):
the Herd Thursday and this is unfolding, I would check
my social media like every thirty minutes, every hour or whatever,
and all anybody's saying, you guys are afraid to talk
about that boxing story, and I'm like, listen, a not
my show. B I don't know that it's a network call,
but that's certainly not a Hey, I'm going to dive
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into this. We don't have all the facts, and I'll
get to that shortly. But around the league, I saw
Justin Herbert foot injury. I'm like, what the hell's going on?
DeAndre Hopkins now will not be ready for week one?
Geno Smith, you know it doesn't sound one hundred percent now, listen,
it's the first week in August. I'm not gonna freak out.
(04:02):
I'm sure everybody's gonna be fine, but damn, last thing
I want to hear is quarterbacks going down. By the way,
DeAndre Hopkins going down ain't great news. Now, they do
have a good wide receiver crew in Tennessee, but that's
like the guy you trust most, he's your possession receiver.
I think that would be a crappy loss for Will
Levis as he goes into kind of a make or
(04:23):
break year. It's weird. I don't know that Levis is
the guy. I don't think anyone knows. We're just gonna
have to find out. By the way, I don't think
anybody knew that CJ. Stroud was going to lead the
Texans to ten wins and a victory in the playoffs
and be offensive, Okidia, Like nobody had all that come on.
So we don't know what Levis is. Gonna be a
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lot of change in Tennessee. And just losing your top receiver,
even if he's aging in the preseason when you're trying
to build chemistry with folks, just just not great. I
guess we could pivot to the Olympics. First, Let's start
with a pod Before we get to the boxing, we
have to start with Simone Biles, who just continues to
defy age and just the superhuman skills she possesses. I
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don't know. I'm not a huge gymnastics fan. My daughter
did do gymnastics, and I would go and watch her
do stuff. This is gonna sound so datish of me,
but one of the reason I didn't love gymnastics was
because it wasn't close by. It was a drive the
you know, we got to go to like a good
gymnastics place and it's not near us. And the times
(05:30):
for the classes were like five o'clock and I'm like
five o'clock traffic in La. So we were like, it
just wasn't great. So I'm going with a negative mindset.
Now I'll drive my kids to the end of the world.
But when you're doing gymnastics practice, toy so only you
can rush hour. It's just like after dealing with LA
traffic in the morning, and it just wasn't awesome. So
fortunately she decided I'm gonna bad gymnastics. I don't love it,
(05:54):
and I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Also, my daughter had tried ice skating back in the day.
This was pre COVID. She wanted to be a figure skater.
You know, listen, kids want to do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Going to the practice it was freezing. I mean you
have to like wear a jacket in July to go
into the facility. It was where the Kings do their practices,
which is kind of close by, and that was another
one where I was like, I, you know, we have
to drive to Anaheim, which is not the worst thing
in the world, but it's like hour fifteen minutes on
like a Saturday, and then you have to wait for
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your turn to be up in the gymnastic sorry, in
the figure skating routine, right, and it would last like
four minutes, however long a song is three four minutes
and then you're done. It's just so much sitting around,
not a lot of action, you know me, mister action.
I can't deal with that. I didn't love that, so
I didn't love gymnastics, didn't love figure skating, But when
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you watch these sports at the Olympics, you're like, damn,
that would have been awesome if my kids stuck with it.
It was was incredible, so shout out to Actually it
wasn't just some mobiles.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It was soon.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Lee also got the bronze, which was exciting. I watched
a little beach volleyball.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
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Speaker 2 (07:16):
I did, not, however, watch the boxing match, which frankly,
I don't even know women's boxing was a thing at
the Olympics. But in a battle, one girl quits after
forty six seconds, and again this is all this was
all happening in like real time. So the one boxer
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quits and everybody's saying, well, the girl who didn't knock
her out but was winning and forced the other girl
to quit. She was disallowed from the World Championships because
she failed a gender test and they didn't even specify
what the test was. And Rob you could jump in
withf I butcher any of these facts. But essentially within
(07:59):
like twenty minutes and it's every single person jumps to
social media to discuss the outrage about how the Olympics
can have men boxing against women. And I don't know
if they were the first person to jump in. But JK.
Rowling the author, and it's weird. I know her books obviously,
(08:20):
but I didn't know the backstory. I guess she is
like a huge political figure who's very divisive, and it
has turned a lot of her audience and she's one
of the biggest authors in the last like fifty years.
It has turned it against her. And she put out
a tweet essentially saying that that hey, men should not
be boxing women, blah, blah blah, and it was like,
whoa wait, wait, really did this happen? So when someone
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credible like that, one of the best known authors on
the planet, puts out something like that and then other
people are chiming in, it's like, oh my gosh, how
did this happen? And then I am like, hold on,
time out. Obviously, men should not be able to box women.
Men should not be able to swim against women. Men
should not be able to race against women. That's dumb
and it should never happen. I think we all know
(09:04):
that we need to get that out of the way. Yes,
I did text my dad as I was discussing this,
because you know, you talk Olympics with your parents, but
you're not gonna call them every day. So I text
him about this, and I'm like, man, if my daughter
had been trying out for like the high school volleyball
team and some boy who's going through gender reassignment comes
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up and takes her spot on the team, I would
be friggin' outraged. I mean, it's come on, give me
a break. No, I don't think there's anybody on planet
Earth who thinks that that's okay. I certainly hope not Anyways,
that's out of the way. So then you start reading
about this this woman who was in the ring and
I say woman because folks, I hate to break it
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to you, but by all accounts, so far as we
record this early Friday morning, by all accounts, the Algerian
fighter is a woman.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
She was born a woman.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
She has passed all gender tests except for the twenty
twenty three World Championships. I don't know what that was about.
She competed in the twenty twenty one Olympics, she didn't.
I mean, she was like a quarter finalist she'd been.
I mean she got beat. Okay, she passed tests to
box in the twenty twenty two World Championships, So what
(10:21):
did the test change? Did something change with her? I
don't know. I have no freaking clue. But at this point,
what do they say? The horses have left the barn.
It's official. This Algerian female boxer got to be a man.
And again, folks, I'm not like bearing bad news. I'm
just telling you what's out there. But she was born
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with female reproductive organs. This is not someone who's going
through a transition. So what happened? And that's where the
story gets dicey because while people have and by people,
I mean outlets like the BBC and stuff. When people
come out and say, well, how do we know that
she's a woman, I'm like, I don't know how to answer.
(11:05):
I mean, it sounds like the most basic question I'll
plan on earth. You would think given all these boxing
tournaments she's been in. And one boxer who won gold
at another Olympics said, you know, I hoped obviously that
this isn't a man, but watch and she posted like
an entire round of when she beat her, and she's like,
this doesn't look there's nothing out of the ordinary here.
(11:28):
What am I missing? And this Algerian boxer has lost
like nine times, she didn't win at the twenty twenty
two World Championships, Like, it's not like she is what
everybody thinks, like a guy coming in and dominating women.
That's not the case, apparently. And again this is, you know,
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just what's out there. She was born a female but
also has elevated testosterone due to chromosomes. Now I will
bring in doctor Rob g who is by the way,
taking heat for going after Steve Kerr. I tagged on
that on ig Rob. But we're bringing doctor Rob here
(12:10):
to chime in, because, like, I think I got that right.
By all accounts, she's a woman. We're not going to
get to the point where the Olympic Committee is gonna
be like, hey, we need someone a female to go
in there and tell us we're not getting to that
point because she's fought a million fights already. So, Rob,
where exactly does the outrage stem here? Like, where does
(12:31):
it come from if every single person's.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Wrong, Well, it stems from a rest to judgment. And
as someone who has a journalism degree, which I do,
I can tell you that even the people I work
with you exclude out and Jason McK andyre has never
made this mistake. But I've worked with a lot of
talent over the years, and in the age of social media,
where it's important to be first, not necessarily to be right.
(12:54):
I've worked with a lot of talent who have been
duped by something they saw on social media. And the
thing about social media specifically and Twitter specifically, is that
once it's out there, it spreads like wildfire. So when
you have quote unquote reputable people like JK Rowling, like
Elon Musk, like you know, social media players like Bradley
(13:17):
Martin Brandon shab with a very popular podcast, dan Orlovsky,
friend of this show going out there, and he deleted
the tweet but suggesting, hey, we should not have men
fight women.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Everybody agrees.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Everybody agrees with that, and I agree with that sentiment.
I have a young daughter, I'm about to have another
one on the way, another girl, So yes, I agree
that men should not be participating in women's sports. And
even if you had a boy, you would still Even
if I had a boy, I would would agree that.
That's just you know how I feel. Even though a
lot of my political leanings might lean left. That's one
that I'm not on board with, right, That's just me. However,
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once you have enough people putting this out, even though
it takes all of a minute and a half to
get the background on this woman, that according to even
the people who failed her, the IBA and the previous
World Championships, their president told the Russian news agency at
the time, the reason why she was disqualified was because, quote,
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it was proven that she has x Y chromosomes. If
you do a Google search, which takes all of three seconds,
can a woman have X Y chromosomes? First answer, yes,
there's actually a Nordic paper right underneath it. More women
actually are expected to be technically genetically men under this classification,
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because it's more common than you think that. Yes, it's
considered a disorder or a syndrome, but it is fairly common.
It's not something that if you say, Jane Doe has
an x Y chromosome, that this is unheard of. And
yet even though she is Algerian. Algerian is a country
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that is known to be very anti LGBTQ, that is
illegal to have gender reassignment surgery, even though there are
multiple articles before this ever happened where the fighter is saying,
my dad never wanted me to box because he doesn't
think boxing is for women. Like there's a long list
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of examples that say, if you just bother to look
it up, this is a unique situation, again because it's uncommon.
The fact that she was failed one test one time
and pasted every other other one. It's kind of a
murky situation. But by all accounts, by any reputable news outlet,
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the BABC, Yahoo, pick whatever one that you prefer, all
confirms she is a woman. She has a genetic if
you want to call it a disorder that leads to
her having an extra chromosome having elevated testosterone. But other
than that, she is by all account a woman. And
all it takes is one person with a big enough following,
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one person with a big enough social media presence, one
person who was seen as a celebrity type figure to
piggyback on the sea, this is not a man, or
this is not a woman. That's a man, And next
thing you know, it's like World War III on social media.
(16:31):
We actually we were going to talk about I told
you for our recording we were going to do this
story on The Odd Couple on Thursday night, and I
was talking to Chrispus Starry, friend of the show, mapping
out topics.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Once I explained to him and we discussed it all,
and we talked about the different news outlets reporting this
that no, she is a woman, and this is all
kind of being blown out of proportion. It seems like
he decided, well, then why is it a story? Why
are we going to do it? So we ultimately passed.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So it's interesting I had never heard of this person,
Riley Gaines.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, I've heard that is I didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I thought it was, well, never mind what I thought
it was. But okay, University of Kentucky swimmer just graduated college.
Looks attractive. So she's got a lot of a million followers.
So she posted almost wise, well I don't know if
this is wise, but it wasn't all. It wasn't big,
it was men don't belong in women's sports. Let's get
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it trendic, and then she wrote a hashtag I stand
with Angelina Karini, who is the Italian who boxed the
girl from Algeria. So Riley Gaines, who are again popular
swimmer according to her bio. So her posts got over
one hundred and sixty million just tweet that's it, men
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don't belong in women's sports. One hundred and sixty million tweets.
So Rob, that right there is where we are. Don't
have the full story, right, we don't. We don't know
about this boxer, clearly Ridley Gaines did not. But you
make a point men no belonging to a woman's sports
that everybody agrees with, and then it gets goes viral
and it's where and that's where we are. All we
are is like even if the story comes out tomorrow, Hey,
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the Olympics checked, everybody checks, she's a woman. Guys back,
you know, sorry, she has X Y com.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The IOC did come out with a.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Statement saying, I did see there's like she's a woman
or by their definition the way that they judge it. Now,
I don't mean to cut you off, but there was
some kind of ground swallow a little bit late Thursday
night that suggested or insinuated that because if you watch
the post fight, you know, interview the woman from Italy
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who pulled out her all she was saying was I've
never been hit the heart in the face, you know,
I couldn't breathe, and that's why I decided to call
it quiz. But you see afterwards, it started to leak
out afterwards that before the fight, a lot out of
Italian officials were publicly questioning, like, hey, she was just
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this this Albanian fighter was just banned from the World Championships,
and they were quick to say, she's a man, don't
do it, it's dangerous. So it's almost as if they
had this excuse ready for her. In the event things
went sideways, and they were very quick to pull that
card out immediately, and that may have helped spin the
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story forward a little.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Bit, and like, again, I'm not we didn't know if
what the situation was, whether she was a man or woman.
This is one Listen. I've had cases where like you said,
I popped off earlier that I was wrong. We don't
have all the info and you got to delete it.
It's no big deal. I mean whatever, who cares. Nobody
remembers the next week after you make some incendiary come in.
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Speaker 2 (19:59):
But rob I got to the point where I was like,
I've just there's everybody saying the same thing. People just
start to take it as fact.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
But I'm a little old.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
School now, you know. Come on, I grew up reading newspapers,
my dad's written, you know, a couple of books. I
grew up on real journalism. And I'm not saying I
do apply it all the time. Yes, obviously I've screwed
up and made mistakes, but that doesn't mean I want
to continue to make mistakes. Anyways, I don't know, Robbie,
it was just one of those disappointing moments where tomorrow
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Saturday comes another controversy. Right, hell, we might even get
one today, but more than likely saturdaybe the USA messes
around with Puerto Rico and only wins by like nine,
and it's oh my Steth Curry goes two for fifteen
and he's benched in the fourth quot you know, like, boom,
there's your new story. Phillies are playing the Dodgers this week,
huge huge games in Major League Baseball. Maybe that'll be
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the story by Monday Tuesday, WinCE like, we're good. People
will move off this, but the damage is done.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's like the mob goes to a house ransacks it.
As the cops show up, the mob disperses, cops don't
get anybody, and they're like, oh, they kind of just
robbed his house. It's not like they killed anybody, you know,
we just got to go on to the next crime.
It's one of those things where like this mob just
destroyed I mean, how do you think that woman from
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Algeria's feeling. And there's also an Asian woman who was
booted from the World Championships. She's under suspicion, as they
say wonder how that's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Rob, Well, I'll tell you what, Jason both and we
should name these fighters because you know we've been talking
about all day. Iman Khalif is the Algerian fighter and
Lynn yun Ting is the Asian fighter. They are the
two who were banned from the World Championships last year.
And according to a couple of outlies that I've read,
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neither one of them has failed any other.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Tests they thought they were in twenty twenty two, right.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Other than other than any of these ones. But both
of those women are scheduled to fight, well, one of
them on Friday, one of them on Saturday. Yeah, I
would imagine, even though we have all this information, and
even though it's readily available that by any other definition
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of what of women is these they are women if
either or both of them advance and they win their
fights on Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I'm not sure that this story is gonna go away.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
No, definitely not, Like I think it's catnep for a
lot of people, because, like you said, saying that men
should not participate in women's sports, I personally don't think
it's that controversial. I don't think that's that's you know
that's like that, don't hot take, regardless of what you
know some forward facing members of the news media might say.
And but the way it's kind of being weaponized against
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this specific person, I think is what's inappropriate. And I
believe that people who are pushing it so hard could
care less about the fact that, yeah, she's a woman
at this This is just.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
A culture battle another it's just a war online. And
next thing, you know, well, I saw who was it
to put that out? She's somebody dumb. If Kamala har
Kamala Harris has her way, we'll have this school in the.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Country, Tommy, it might have been it was a former
football coach.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, we'll have this kind of thing in every elementary
school in the country or middle whatever it is. And
I'm like, come on, that's just idiotic. But in a
political year, you're playing to your bass, right Rob, yep,
So his base here is that Oh damn right, Tommy,
we're not letting that garbage happens. If you vote for
Kamala Harris, that's what's gonna happen. Meanwhile, there was like,
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I mean, I don't know how many high schools were
in the country, fifty thousand folks, there's maybe one or
two of those stories a year, maybe out of all
the high schools and all the high school athletes. Like,
it's not a big deal. Obviously it shouldn't be a
deal at all. But I think Rob, you were wondering.
You said, you your statement wasn't that controversial. I think
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the controversy. Controversy stems from people defending when a man
does compete against women, probably because they're just defending that
side of a different culture war. I feel they have
to continue to protect them right because they're on their side,
and that's where it's like, you can't think independently. Those
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are the whack jobs on the far left that equate
to the nut jobs on the far right.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I totally agree with you because I am one
of those people who is, you know, pro LGBTQ.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
If you want to be trans, to be trans, it
doesn't bother me at all. Do your thing.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But where I draw the line is when it comes
to athletics. And for whatever, I can't exactly quant qualify
or quantify why I feel that way, but I just
believe that men should be with men and men women
people with women. But I think to your point, once
you say I'm pro something. In the world we live
in today, you have to be one thousand percent pro that.
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Even even in sports, like if you say, you know what,
I think that Josh Allen is not as good as
people think he is. If you really want to make
some waves and you really want to be at the
forefront of the sports media conversation, you can't just say
he may not be as good. You have to say
he's overrated, he's trash, he's a turnover machine. And you
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may not even really feel that way, but that's the
only way you can make that argument and have it
told up. So you're seeing that obviously on a much
grander scale here in this situation.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, you know the whole It's almost like you don't
vote down the ticket, right, Yes, you don't just say, oh,
I'm a Republican, I'm voting for every single No, you
don't do that. You look up, you know the candidates
and see what they're about. But I guess, to go
to your other point, you're right, it's it's like the
I guess people would defend. But like you said, LGBTQ,
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hey you guys want to be gay, but don't have
men competing against women is also the same as like, well,
men and women are equal, you know, there's a bunch
of people who just push that, and well not like
biologically they're not. You know, men are going to excel
in certain areas because of the way they're built, their makeup,
their chromosomes, all that fun stuff, and then women are
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gonna be on their side. So like, that's why even
when who was the young female golfer, Rob who kept
forever trying to break through on the right, And I
mean I was like, I guess this was when I
was a little younger, and I was like still like
partying a lot because I don't remember a lot of
the conversation around Michelle. We but Rob correct me if
(26:44):
I'm wrong. She didn't win a ton on the women's side, right,
I don't think so. Now, yeah, so why the hell
was she playing against men?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I mean, I don't remember the novelty of it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, that was the one thing guys just didn't It
made no sense to me. Now, nobody had a problem
with Michelle.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's gonna play with the men.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What would have been the reaction, Rob? If Phil Michelson
I'm said, I'm going to gonna go play with.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The women, he would be frowned upon. Yeah, I don't
think you think to put it lightly.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, So like, no, they're not an equal guy. Sorry,
they're just not. You treat him equally. You treat men
and women equally, is especially when it comes to their
respective sports. But like, I don't know, Rob, this just
the entire discussion. It's it's almost like there's a moving
target and sometimes they don't lock in on something for
(27:40):
a day or two or three, and then once they
lock in, it's all we got our target, and everybody
just and there as you know, a lot of stuff
going on in sports media and there are some people who,
like you said, want to ratchet it up to overrated,
but they also find their target. And then just you know,
peck away constantly. Sure, and you're a big you've been
(28:01):
producing forever. You don't endorse that, And I gotta say,
I've never been that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I cannot say with a straight face that I've never
endorsed that, to be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Some of the early times of the.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Odd Couple radio show with Brussard and Parker. Rob obviously
is much more hot takesh than Chris's. I think we
know that just by knowing him for as long as
we've known him. But we would have production meetings and
one of them would come in with an opinion and
it would be an innocuous opinion, like it was a
reaction to a game and it was nothing that was
(28:32):
really going to get people interested. So I would challenge them,
I'd question them, I'd poke and prod and you might
have a statement that says, you know, if Kevin Durant
was willing to shoot more threes, I think that, you know,
it would be a better thing for the Brooklyn Nets
at the time or whatever something like that, And I
(28:53):
would find a way to spin it and say, what
you're saying is Kevin Durant is leaving his long his
legacy up in the air by refusing to shoot the
three ball because he's afraid of what it's going to
do his percentages.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's like, well, no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well if you didn't say that'd be better for us,
And so Broussard would usually kind of get mad at me,
like why are you always trying to like turn it
up and not?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So that's not what I'm I want to be.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I don't mind making headlines and you know, baving a
good show, but I'm not going to do it at
the expense of my credibility. And so sometimes we'd argue
about that kind of stuff, but I've moved on from that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah no, no, listen, that happens more than you guys know,
and you know what you experience it. I mean, it's
never going to be like once there's some people rob
you would I think you would agree. Once they get
a taste of that drug where they you know, go
viral for some take that was, they just are like, oh,
this is a good feeling, and I got the views,
(29:47):
and that's going to help my career and it's going
to help my profile and my brand or whatever. And
they just turn that up to ten. You and I
both know some people in this industry who've done that.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And you know, so right off, handsomely handsome.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, so they got paid big time. But like you know,
I I'll say, I'm not a believer, yokic, I'm not
a believer. I don't you know, good player, I get it,
I get it, But he's never broken through. He hadn't
broken through in the playoffs. Then he wins the title. Hey,
you won the chimp there's no argument that he's not amazing, right,
I would have to stop saying that unless I was
(30:20):
a crazy person who you know, so just continue to needle,
And that to me is a little cheap. And I
you know, I'm not as impressed what takes like that,
because it's like, listen, if embiid and Paul George go
out and win the title this year, Rob, it's hey
Man and Beid Frickin did it? You know, Listen, I
mocked that guy for all the failures he came through
in that series. Whether he gets the MVP, Paul George,
(30:42):
who cares. Now let's say Paul, Let's say Tyrese Maxi
gets the MVP. Okay, Rob, you know there's people in
this industry who aren't going to be praising Maxi for
MVP but knocking Paul George for not getting it and
EMBIID for not getting it, and like, again, that's total
chicken shit. I think it's embarrassing, And that's why I
(31:05):
start tune out, tuning out a bunch of people when
their takes are so predictable, they're going to say incendiary stuff.
But I like to think this pod between Rob and I,
we're never going to be faking the funk and making
up shit. And you know, again this topic, people will
hopefully come out of it thinking that's a reasonable take.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
As opposed to, oh my gosh, you're right, I gotta
go to so I agree a million times, you know,
and like that's I don't want to be on that side,
and I don't want to be on the other extreme too.
I think the middle is a smart place to be.
But now we're rambling on a Friday, Rob no vegas
for you this weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I would assume no, But let me just say very
quickly that if you did want to stick to the
anti Jokic sentiment, I do have some ammunition for you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Oh that's my.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Job, whether I agree with you or not, I'm going
to find some information that's going to help you make
your point.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Just you know, August, it seasons three months out and
he's already prepping.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm actually out of town Sunday, so no pod Monday Tuesday.
I will have a good story for you, I promise,
because of why I'm not doing the pot on Monday.
All right, have a good weekend. We'll talk to you Tuesday.
This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What is up? Straight firefam hits me Jason McIntyre, Straight
Fire for Friday, August the second. Oh boy, the football
season is underway kind of sort of. I don't know
what you guys thought of that preseason game. Not the
crispest of football. But I'll say this. I will say this,
(00:32):
The new kickoff had me just kind of sitting there
slack jawed, and I had to rewind a couple times
and you just kind of watch it. It's gonna take
a little while to get used to that. That is
the thing that jumped off the page from the Hall
of Fame game, which by the way, was called early
due to inclement weather. That's a new one. But I
think the kickoff that's really the only takeaway you can have.
I'm not gonna get worked up about a fifth round
(00:54):
pick who had a sack. You know, there's a you know,
offensive lineman who looked good in his first first career
NFL started, Like, come on, I can't get too worked
up about that. Plus, I don't really care about these teams,
although the Bears are going to be interesting this season.
I just the whole kickoff thing Now, Rob, I don't
know if you were as I don't know that I
was shook, but without question, that kind of jumped off
(01:15):
the screen as this is different, this is new. It's
gonna take some time to adjusts. And as I watched
the kickoffs, I'm like, hmm, how can teams take advantage
of this? And I want they're not going to show
anything in the preseason, but you know, somebody creative is
looking through all the rules. You know, if Belichick were
(01:36):
still coaching, he probably would have already found it. But
Belichick loves to push the envelope, whether it's a six
offensive lineman tackle eligible. He was always cooking up something.
And you know we are talking about mister spygate. But
I don't know, Rob. I thought the kickoffs were fascinating.
I'm very excited for them this season. And it seems
(01:57):
to me like team are gonna get are gonna be
tinkering with kickoffs more than say touchdown commercial, come back
kickoff commercial, you know, like just standard operating procedure. I
feel like kickoffs are gonna be something this year.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I hope so, because if last night's game was INDI
indication they need to change the name it cannot be
called the dynamic kickoff when the average return is twenty
two yards. Ye, and of the five kickoffs, two of
them had illegal formation penalties.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
So obviously they're working out the kinks.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I agree with you that these special teams coordinators
and head coaches, they're saving all their best stuff for
the regular They're not gonna show anything in the preseason.
I think right now, it's just trying to get everyone
aligned right, make sure they understand the rules to a
te so that they don't have these penalties moving forward.
But I mean, it was okay. I mean, to be honest,
I missed the old kickoff because I thought that that
(02:54):
was more exciting than what we saw last night. But
you know, the first time, so we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, no, I mean, I'm largely with you. It was different.
I am you know. There was some NFL stuff popping
around the league. I mean, listen, I'm sorry. I'm just
gonna give you the heads up. I'm going to talk
about this Olympic boxing story. You're not gonna like it,
but I gotta talk about that. We'll get to that
short shortly. I just want to let you guys now,
I'm not a dodging it. Listen, everybody, as I'm on
(03:21):
the Herd Thursday and this is unfolding, I would check
my social media like every thirty minutes, every hour or whatever,
and all anybody's saying, you guys are afraid to talk
about that boxing story, and I'm like, listen, a not
my show. B I don't know that it's a network call,
but that's certainly not a Hey, I'm going to dive
(03:42):
into this. We don't have all the facts, and I'll
get to that shortly. But around the league, I saw
Justin Herbert foot injury. I'm like, what the hell's going on?
DeAndre Hopkins now will not be ready for week one?
Geno Smith, you know it doesn't sound one hundred percent now, listen,
it's the first week in August. I'm not gonna freak out.
(04:02):
I'm sure everybody's gonna be fine, but damn, last thing
I want to hear is quarterbacks going down. By the way,
DeAndre Hopkins going down ain't great news. Now, they do
have a good wide receiver crew in Tennessee, but that's
like the guy you trust most, he's your possession receiver.
I think that would be a crappy loss for Will
Levis as he goes into kind of a make or
(04:23):
break year. It's weird. I don't know that Levis is
the guy. I don't think anyone knows. We're just gonna
have to find out. By the way, I don't think
anybody knew that CJ. Stroud was going to lead the
Texans to ten wins and a victory in the playoffs
and be offensive, Okidia, Like nobody had all that come on.
So we don't know what Levis is. Gonna be a
(04:45):
lot of change in Tennessee. And just losing your top receiver,
even if he's aging in the preseason when you're trying
to build chemistry with folks, just just not great. I
guess we could pivot to the Olympics. First, Let's start
with a pod Before we get to the boxing, we
have to start with Simone Biles, who just continues to
defy age and just the superhuman skills she possesses. I
(05:10):
don't know. I'm not a huge gymnastics fan. My daughter
did do gymnastics, and I would go and watch her
do stuff. This is gonna sound so datish of me,
but one of the reason I didn't love gymnastics was
because it wasn't close by. It was a drive the
you know, we got to go to like a good
gymnastics place and it's not near us. And the times
(05:30):
for the classes were like five o'clock and I'm like
five o'clock traffic in La. So we were like, it
just wasn't great. So I'm going with a negative mindset.
Now I'll drive my kids to the end of the world.
But when you're doing gymnastics practice, toy so only you
can rush hour. It's just like after dealing with LA
traffic in the morning, and it just wasn't awesome. So
fortunately she decided I'm gonna bad gymnastics. I don't love it,
(05:54):
and I was like, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Also, my daughter had tried ice skating back in the day.
This was pre COVID. She wanted to be a figure skater.
You know, listen, kids want to do everything.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
And.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Going to the practice it was freezing. I mean you
have to like wear a jacket in July to go
into the facility. It was where the Kings do their practices,
which is kind of close by, and that was another
one where I was like, I, you know, we have
to drive to Anaheim, which is not the worst thing
in the world, but it's like hour fifteen minutes on
like a Saturday, and then you have to wait for
(06:27):
your turn to be up in the gymnastic sorry, in
the figure skating routine, right, and it would last like
four minutes, however long a song is three four minutes
and then you're done. It's just so much sitting around,
not a lot of action, you know me, mister action.
I can't deal with that. I didn't love that, so
I didn't love gymnastics, didn't love figure skating, But when
(06:48):
you watch these sports at the Olympics, you're like, damn,
that would have been awesome if my kids stuck with it.
It was was incredible, so shout out to Actually it
wasn't just some mobiles.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
It was soon.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Lee also got the bronze, which was exciting. I watched
a little beach volleyball.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
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Speaker 2 (07:16):
I did, not, however, watch the boxing match, which frankly,
I don't even know women's boxing was a thing at
the Olympics. But in a battle, one girl quits after
forty six seconds, and again this is all this was
all happening in like real time. So the one boxer
(07:37):
quits and everybody's saying, well, the girl who didn't knock
her out but was winning and forced the other girl
to quit. She was disallowed from the World Championships because
she failed a gender test and they didn't even specify
what the test was. And Rob you could jump in
withf I butcher any of these facts. But essentially within
(07:59):
like twenty minutes and it's every single person jumps to
social media to discuss the outrage about how the Olympics
can have men boxing against women. And I don't know
if they were the first person to jump in. But JK.
Rowling the author, and it's weird. I know her books obviously,
(08:20):
but I didn't know the backstory. I guess she is
like a huge political figure who's very divisive, and it
has turned a lot of her audience and she's one
of the biggest authors in the last like fifty years.
It has turned it against her. And she put out
a tweet essentially saying that that hey, men should not
be boxing women, blah, blah blah, and it was like,
whoa wait, wait, really did this happen? So when someone
(08:43):
credible like that, one of the best known authors on
the planet, puts out something like that and then other
people are chiming in, it's like, oh my gosh, how
did this happen? And then I am like, hold on,
time out. Obviously, men should not be able to box women.
Men should not be able to swim against women. Men
should not be able to race against women. That's dumb
and it should never happen. I think we all know
(09:04):
that we need to get that out of the way. Yes,
I did text my dad as I was discussing this,
because you know, you talk Olympics with your parents, but
you're not gonna call them every day. So I text
him about this, and I'm like, man, if my daughter
had been trying out for like the high school volleyball
team and some boy who's going through gender reassignment comes
(09:25):
up and takes her spot on the team, I would
be friggin' outraged. I mean, it's come on, give me
a break. No, I don't think there's anybody on planet
Earth who thinks that that's okay. I certainly hope not Anyways,
that's out of the way. So then you start reading
about this this woman who was in the ring and
I say woman because folks, I hate to break it
(09:47):
to you, but by all accounts, so far as we
record this early Friday morning, by all accounts, the Algerian
fighter is a woman.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
She was born a woman.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
She has passed all gender tests except for the twenty
twenty three World Championships. I don't know what that was about.
She competed in the twenty twenty one Olympics, she didn't.
I mean, she was like a quarter finalist she'd been.
I mean she got beat. Okay, she passed tests to
box in the twenty twenty two World Championships, So what
(10:21):
did the test change? Did something change with her? I
don't know. I have no freaking clue. But at this point,
what do they say? The horses have left the barn.
It's official. This Algerian female boxer got to be a man.
And again, folks, I'm not like bearing bad news. I'm
just telling you what's out there. But she was born
(10:44):
with female reproductive organs. This is not someone who's going
through a transition. So what happened? And that's where the
story gets dicey because while people have and by people,
I mean outlets like the BBC and stuff. When people
come out and say, well, how do we know that
she's a woman, I'm like, I don't know how to answer.
(11:05):
I mean, it sounds like the most basic question I'll
plan on earth. You would think given all these boxing
tournaments she's been in. And one boxer who won gold
at another Olympics said, you know, I hoped obviously that
this isn't a man, but watch and she posted like
an entire round of when she beat her, and she's like,
this doesn't look there's nothing out of the ordinary here.
(11:28):
What am I missing? And this Algerian boxer has lost
like nine times, she didn't win at the twenty twenty
two World Championships, Like, it's not like she is what
everybody thinks, like a guy coming in and dominating women.
That's not the case, apparently. And again this is, you know,
(11:48):
just what's out there. She was born a female but
also has elevated testosterone due to chromosomes. Now I will
bring in doctor Rob g who is by the way,
taking heat for going after Steve Kerr. I tagged on
that on ig Rob. But we're bringing doctor Rob here
(12:10):
to chime in, because, like, I think I got that right.
By all accounts, she's a woman. We're not going to
get to the point where the Olympic Committee is gonna
be like, hey, we need someone a female to go
in there and tell us we're not getting to that
point because she's fought a million fights already. So, Rob,
where exactly does the outrage stem here? Like, where does
(12:31):
it come from if every single person's.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Wrong, Well, it stems from a rest to judgment. And
as someone who has a journalism degree, which I do,
I can tell you that even the people I work
with you exclude out and Jason McK andyre has never
made this mistake. But I've worked with a lot of
talent over the years, and in the age of social media,
where it's important to be first, not necessarily to be right.
(12:54):
I've worked with a lot of talent who have been
duped by something they saw on social media. And the
thing about social media specifically and Twitter specifically, is that
once it's out there, it spreads like wildfire. So when
you have quote unquote reputable people like JK Rowling, like
Elon Musk, like you know, social media players like Bradley
(13:17):
Martin Brandon shab with a very popular podcast, dan Orlovsky,
friend of this show going out there, and he deleted
the tweet but suggesting, hey, we should not have men
fight women.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Everybody agrees.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Everybody agrees with that, and I agree with that sentiment.
I have a young daughter, I'm about to have another
one on the way, another girl, So yes, I agree
that men should not be participating in women's sports. And
even if you had a boy, you would still Even
if I had a boy, I would would agree that.
That's just you know how I feel. Even though a
lot of my political leanings might lean left. That's one
that I'm not on board with, right, That's just me. However,
(13:53):
once you have enough people putting this out, even though
it takes all of a minute and a half to
get the background on this woman, that according to even
the people who failed her, the IBA and the previous
World Championships, their president told the Russian news agency at
the time, the reason why she was disqualified was because, quote,
(14:17):
it was proven that she has x Y chromosomes. If
you do a Google search, which takes all of three seconds,
can a woman have X Y chromosomes? First answer, yes,
there's actually a Nordic paper right underneath it. More women
actually are expected to be technically genetically men under this classification,
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because it's more common than you think that. Yes, it's
considered a disorder or a syndrome, but it is fairly common.
It's not something that if you say, Jane Doe has
an x Y chromosome, that this is unheard of. And
yet even though she is Algerian. Algerian is a country
(15:04):
that is known to be very anti LGBTQ, that is
illegal to have gender reassignment surgery, even though there are
multiple articles before this ever happened where the fighter is saying,
my dad never wanted me to box because he doesn't
think boxing is for women. Like there's a long list
(15:27):
of examples that say, if you just bother to look
it up, this is a unique situation, again because it's uncommon.
The fact that she was failed one test one time
and pasted every other other one. It's kind of a
murky situation. But by all accounts, by any reputable news outlet,
(15:47):
the BABC, Yahoo, pick whatever one that you prefer, all
confirms she is a woman. She has a genetic if
you want to call it a disorder that leads to
her having an extra chromosome having elevated testosterone. But other
than that, she is by all account a woman. And
all it takes is one person with a big enough following,
(16:11):
one person with a big enough social media presence, one
person who was seen as a celebrity type figure to
piggyback on the sea, this is not a man, or
this is not a woman. That's a man, And next
thing you know, it's like World War III on social media.
(16:31):
We actually we were going to talk about I told
you for our recording we were going to do this
story on The Odd Couple on Thursday night, and I
was talking to Chrispus Starry, friend of the show, mapping
out topics.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
He wanted to do it.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Once I explained to him and we discussed it all,
and we talked about the different news outlets reporting this
that no, she is a woman, and this is all
kind of being blown out of proportion. It seems like
he decided, well, then why is it a story? Why
are we going to do it? So we ultimately passed.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
So it's interesting I had never heard of this person,
Riley Gaines.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Yeah, I've heard that is I didn't.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
I thought it was, well, never mind what I thought
it was. But okay, University of Kentucky swimmer just graduated college.
Looks attractive. So she's got a lot of a million followers.
So she posted almost wise, well I don't know if
this is wise, but it wasn't all. It wasn't big,
it was men don't belong in women's sports. Let's get
(17:32):
it trendic, and then she wrote a hashtag I stand
with Angelina Karini, who is the Italian who boxed the
girl from Algeria. So Riley Gaines, who are again popular
swimmer according to her bio. So her posts got over
one hundred and sixty million just tweet that's it, men
(17:53):
don't belong in women's sports. One hundred and sixty million tweets.
So Rob, that right there is where we are. Don't
have the full story, right, we don't. We don't know
about this boxer, clearly Ridley Gaines did not. But you
make a point men no belonging to a woman's sports
that everybody agrees with, and then it gets goes viral
and it's where and that's where we are. All we
are is like even if the story comes out tomorrow, Hey,
(18:16):
the Olympics checked, everybody checks, she's a woman. Guys back,
you know, sorry, she has X Y com.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
The IOC did come out with a.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Statement saying, I did see there's like she's a woman
or by their definition the way that they judge it. Now,
I don't mean to cut you off, but there was
some kind of ground swallow a little bit late Thursday
night that suggested or insinuated that because if you watch
the post fight, you know, interview the woman from Italy
(18:44):
who pulled out her all she was saying was I've
never been hit the heart in the face, you know,
I couldn't breathe, and that's why I decided to call
it quiz. But you see afterwards, it started to leak
out afterwards that before the fight, a lot out of
Italian officials were publicly questioning, like, hey, she was just
(19:05):
this this Albanian fighter was just banned from the World Championships,
and they were quick to say, she's a man, don't
do it, it's dangerous. So it's almost as if they
had this excuse ready for her. In the event things
went sideways, and they were very quick to pull that
card out immediately, and that may have helped spin the
(19:26):
story forward a little.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Bit, and like, again, I'm not we didn't know if
what the situation was, whether she was a man or woman.
This is one Listen. I've had cases where like you said,
I popped off earlier that I was wrong. We don't
have all the info and you got to delete it.
It's no big deal. I mean whatever, who cares. Nobody
remembers the next week after you make some incendiary come in.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
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Speaker 2 (19:59):
But rob I got to the point where I was like,
I've just there's everybody saying the same thing. People just
start to take it as fact.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
But I'm a little old.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
School now, you know. Come on, I grew up reading newspapers,
my dad's written, you know, a couple of books. I
grew up on real journalism. And I'm not saying I
do apply it all the time. Yes, obviously I've screwed
up and made mistakes, but that doesn't mean I want
to continue to make mistakes. Anyways, I don't know, Robbie,
it was just one of those disappointing moments where tomorrow
(20:30):
Saturday comes another controversy. Right, hell, we might even get
one today, but more than likely saturdaybe the USA messes
around with Puerto Rico and only wins by like nine,
and it's oh my Steth Curry goes two for fifteen
and he's benched in the fourth quot you know, like, boom,
there's your new story. Phillies are playing the Dodgers this week,
huge huge games in Major League Baseball. Maybe that'll be
(20:53):
the story by Monday Tuesday, WinCE like, we're good. People
will move off this, but the damage is done.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
You know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's like the mob goes to a house ransacks it.
As the cops show up, the mob disperses, cops don't
get anybody, and they're like, oh, they kind of just
robbed his house. It's not like they killed anybody, you know,
we just got to go on to the next crime.
It's one of those things where like this mob just
destroyed I mean, how do you think that woman from
(21:22):
Algeria's feeling. And there's also an Asian woman who was
booted from the World Championships. She's under suspicion, as they
say wonder how that's gonna go.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
Rob, Well, I'll tell you what, Jason both and we
should name these fighters because you know we've been talking
about all day. Iman Khalif is the Algerian fighter and
Lynn yun Ting is the Asian fighter. They are the
two who were banned from the World Championships last year.
And according to a couple of outlies that I've read,
(21:52):
neither one of them has failed any other.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Tests they thought they were in twenty twenty two, right.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Other than other than any of these ones. But both
of those women are scheduled to fight, well, one of
them on Friday, one of them on Saturday. Yeah, I
would imagine, even though we have all this information, and
even though it's readily available that by any other definition
(22:17):
of what of women is these they are women if
either or both of them advance and they win their
fights on Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
I'm not sure that this story is gonna go away.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
No, definitely not, Like I think it's catnep for a
lot of people, because, like you said, saying that men
should not participate in women's sports, I personally don't think
it's that controversial. I don't think that's that's you know
that's like that, don't hot take, regardless of what you
know some forward facing members of the news media might say.
And but the way it's kind of being weaponized against
(22:56):
this specific person, I think is what's inappropriate. And I
believe that people who are pushing it so hard could
care less about the fact that, yeah, she's a woman
at this This is just.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
A culture battle another it's just a war online. And
next thing, you know, well, I saw who was it
to put that out? She's somebody dumb. If Kamala har
Kamala Harris has her way, we'll have this school in the.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Country, Tommy, it might have been it was a former
football coach.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Yeah, we'll have this kind of thing in every elementary
school in the country or middle whatever it is. And
I'm like, come on, that's just idiotic. But in a
political year, you're playing to your bass, right Rob, yep,
So his base here is that Oh damn right, Tommy,
we're not letting that garbage happens. If you vote for
Kamala Harris, that's what's gonna happen. Meanwhile, there was like,
(23:47):
I mean, I don't know how many high schools were
in the country, fifty thousand folks, there's maybe one or
two of those stories a year, maybe out of all
the high schools and all the high school athletes. Like,
it's not a big deal. Obviously it shouldn't be a
deal at all. But I think Rob, you were wondering.
You said, you your statement wasn't that controversial. I think
(24:09):
the controversy. Controversy stems from people defending when a man
does compete against women, probably because they're just defending that
side of a different culture war. I feel they have
to continue to protect them right because they're on their side,
and that's where it's like, you can't think independently. Those
(24:30):
are the whack jobs on the far left that equate
to the nut jobs on the far right.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, I totally agree with you because I am one
of those people who is, you know, pro LGBTQ.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
If you want to be trans, to be trans, it
doesn't bother me at all. Do your thing.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
But where I draw the line is when it comes
to athletics. And for whatever, I can't exactly quant qualify
or quantify why I feel that way, but I just
believe that men should be with men and men women
people with women. But I think to your point, once
you say I'm pro something. In the world we live
in today, you have to be one thousand percent pro that.
(25:08):
Even even in sports, like if you say, you know what,
I think that Josh Allen is not as good as
people think he is. If you really want to make
some waves and you really want to be at the
forefront of the sports media conversation, you can't just say
he may not be as good. You have to say
he's overrated, he's trash, he's a turnover machine. And you
(25:29):
may not even really feel that way, but that's the
only way you can make that argument and have it
told up. So you're seeing that obviously on a much
grander scale here in this situation.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, you know the whole It's almost like you don't
vote down the ticket, right, Yes, you don't just say, oh,
I'm a Republican, I'm voting for every single No, you
don't do that. You look up, you know the candidates
and see what they're about. But I guess, to go
to your other point, you're right, it's it's like the
I guess people would defend. But like you said, LGBTQ,
(26:00):
hey you guys want to be gay, but don't have
men competing against women is also the same as like, well,
men and women are equal, you know, there's a bunch
of people who just push that, and well not like
biologically they're not. You know, men are going to excel
in certain areas because of the way they're built, their makeup,
their chromosomes, all that fun stuff, and then women are
(26:22):
gonna be on their side. So like, that's why even
when who was the young female golfer, Rob who kept
forever trying to break through on the right, And I
mean I was like, I guess this was when I
was a little younger, and I was like still like
partying a lot because I don't remember a lot of
the conversation around Michelle. We but Rob correct me if
(26:44):
I'm wrong. She didn't win a ton on the women's side, right,
I don't think so. Now, yeah, so why the hell
was she playing against men?
Speaker 4 (26:54):
I mean, I don't remember the novelty of it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah, that was the one thing guys just didn't It
made no sense to me. Now, nobody had a problem
with Michelle.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
He's gonna play with the men.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What would have been the reaction, Rob? If Phil Michelson
I'm said, I'm going to gonna go play with.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
The women, he would be frowned upon. Yeah, I don't
think you think to put it lightly.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah, So like, no, they're not an equal guy. Sorry,
they're just not. You treat him equally. You treat men
and women equally, is especially when it comes to their
respective sports. But like, I don't know, Rob, this just
the entire discussion. It's it's almost like there's a moving
target and sometimes they don't lock in on something for
(27:40):
a day or two or three, and then once they
lock in, it's all we got our target, and everybody
just and there as you know, a lot of stuff
going on in sports media and there are some people who,
like you said, want to ratchet it up to overrated,
but they also find their target. And then just you know,
peck away constantly. Sure, and you're a big you've been
(28:01):
producing forever. You don't endorse that, And I gotta say,
I've never been that guy.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I cannot say with a straight face that I've never
endorsed that, to be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Some of the early times of the.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Odd Couple radio show with Brussard and Parker. Rob obviously
is much more hot takesh than Chris's. I think we
know that just by knowing him for as long as
we've known him. But we would have production meetings and
one of them would come in with an opinion and
it would be an innocuous opinion, like it was a
reaction to a game and it was nothing that was
(28:32):
really going to get people interested. So I would challenge them,
I'd question them, I'd poke and prod and you might
have a statement that says, you know, if Kevin Durant
was willing to shoot more threes, I think that, you know,
it would be a better thing for the Brooklyn Nets
at the time or whatever something like that, And I
(28:53):
would find a way to spin it and say, what
you're saying is Kevin Durant is leaving his long his
legacy up in the air by refusing to shoot the
three ball because he's afraid of what it's going to
do his percentages.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
It's like, well, no, I didn't say that.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Well if you didn't say that'd be better for us,
And so Broussard would usually kind of get mad at me,
like why are you always trying to like turn it
up and not?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
So that's not what I'm I want to be.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
I don't mind making headlines and you know, baving a
good show, but I'm not going to do it at
the expense of my credibility. And so sometimes we'd argue
about that kind of stuff, but I've moved on from that.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah no, no, listen, that happens more than you guys know,
and you know what you experience it. I mean, it's
never going to be like once there's some people rob
you would I think you would agree. Once they get
a taste of that drug where they you know, go
viral for some take that was, they just are like, oh,
this is a good feeling, and I got the views,
(29:47):
and that's going to help my career and it's going
to help my profile and my brand or whatever. And
they just turn that up to ten. You and I
both know some people in this industry who've done that.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
And you know, so right off, handsomely handsome.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
Yeah, so they got paid big time. But like you know,
I I'll say, I'm not a believer, yokic, I'm not
a believer. I don't you know, good player, I get it,
I get it, But he's never broken through. He hadn't
broken through in the playoffs. Then he wins the title. Hey,
you won the chimp there's no argument that he's not amazing, right,
I would have to stop saying that unless I was
(30:20):
a crazy person who you know, so just continue to needle,
And that to me is a little cheap. And I
you know, I'm not as impressed what takes like that,
because it's like, listen, if embiid and Paul George go
out and win the title this year, Rob, it's hey
Man and Beid Frickin did it? You know, Listen, I
mocked that guy for all the failures he came through
in that series. Whether he gets the MVP, Paul George,
(30:42):
who cares. Now let's say Paul, Let's say Tyrese Maxi
gets the MVP. Okay, Rob, you know there's people in
this industry who aren't going to be praising Maxi for
MVP but knocking Paul George for not getting it and
EMBIID for not getting it, and like, again, that's total
chicken shit. I think it's embarrassing, And that's why I
(31:05):
start tune out, tuning out a bunch of people when
their takes are so predictable, they're going to say incendiary stuff.
But I like to think this pod between Rob and I,
we're never going to be faking the funk and making
up shit. And you know, again this topic, people will
hopefully come out of it thinking that's a reasonable take.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
I hope so.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
As opposed to, oh my gosh, you're right, I gotta
go to so I agree a million times, you know,
and like that's I don't want to be on that side,
and I don't want to be on the other extreme too.
I think the middle is a smart place to be.
But now we're rambling on a Friday, Rob no vegas
for you this weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I would assume no, But let me just say very
quickly that if you did want to stick to the
anti Jokic sentiment, I do have some ammunition for you.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
Oh that's my.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Job, whether I agree with you or not, I'm going
to find some information that's going to help you make
your point.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Just you know, August, it seasons three months out and
he's already prepping.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm actually out of town Sunday, so no pod Monday Tuesday.
I will have a good story for you, I promise,
because of why I'm not doing the pot on Monday.
All right, have a good weekend. We'll talk to you Tuesday.
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