The Bernie Fratto Show Talks JJ Redick, Willie Mays, Pete Rose & More!

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Way Tired Buying should be another absolute jam pack show tonight.
I've got to get to Willie Mays and certainly his
passing and the epic event that took place last night
at rickwood Field. Got to give the Boston Celtics to flowers.
Was their championship boring? Yes? But was it meaningful?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
It was?

Speaker 2 (00:45):
And I will explain. Larry Beale, former Sports Center anchor,
you remember him, alongside Dan Patrick and Keith Oberman. He
joins in about fifteen minutes, And of course I've got
two great, great thought provoking men night our topics at midnight,
of course, about fifty eight minutes from now from where

(01:07):
I sit. It'll be midnight literally in Las Vegas, Pacific time,
and figuraedly and literally around the world. When you're listening
it's the midnight hour where you're at as well, and
you'll be dialing in and you'll hear the topics. I'll
set that up just a little bit, but we start
with frankly, the news this week that I think that
will resonate and we'll be talked about certainly between now

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and next June, as the NBA news starts a little early. Yes,
in the worst cap secret since I don't know what,
JJ Reddick has been hired by the Los Angeles Lakers.
He got thirty two million. Danny Hurley was offered seventy million.

(01:50):
I don't know if they wanted Danny Hurley twice as much.
But the long and short of it is JJ Reddick
as your and you know the first thing that popped
into my mind, and honestly, Lebron James has had eight
coaches in his NBA career. I would have been nine,
but he couldn't get Eric Spolster fired. And all of
those coaches, three of them, David Blatt, Tyloo and Darvin

(02:17):
Ham had one thing in common, and you know what
it is. When they were hired, all of them had
zero coaching experience in the NBA as a head coach.
Zero and all of them lasted exactly two years. Now,
am I predicting that JJ Reddick's only gonna last two years? No,
I'm not. But if passed his prologue, you'll have to

(02:39):
tell me what's going to be different. What also jumps
at me is market calendar of December thirtieth, Lebron turns forty,
and in theory, he can also become a free agent
between now and then. Do I think he'll do that? Yeah,
it's a formality, and I think he'll sign a three
year deal with the Lakers. And we'll see if Brony

(02:59):
ends up with the Lake. Okay, we'll see. That's all
the kind of Michigan. So I'll get to with Mark
Medina on Saturday Night. But as a basketball situation, the
Lakers leave a lot to be desired. I mean, now
is what I call reality is set again. Be careful
what you wish for now reality is set again. I
do believe this will be an extremely short honeymoon period.

(03:23):
Reality sets in when you realize the team is built
on a forty year old's foundation. Yes, Lebron James is
still a pretty good player, made thirteen All NBA this season.
He's gonna suck up all the year in the room,
He'll suck up most of the salary cap. He'll get
fifty million dollars for three more years. He'll have some
good nights, He'll talk too much. He can carry the

(03:45):
load on a temporary basis, but there's limitations on defense,
and those limitations lower the team's ceiling period. Lebron James
is not just a guy who can the I got this, guys.
We're gonna go to the Western Conference Finals. We're gonna
go to the NBA Finals. No you're not. They've got

(04:07):
a scramble. They've got a scuffle just to make the playoffs.
Remember how Lebron wanted the guy fired who came up
with the playing tournament. But the Lakers have been a
fixture in the Playing Tournament, and to their credit, they've
done well. But if you don't acknowledge this, then you
just don't acknowledge reality. Now, the Lakers still do have
Anthony Davis, and he was a key part of their

(04:29):
twenty twenty Epic championship run. Hey, it was a key
part of their epic in season tournament as well. Okay,
just have a little fun on a Friday night, thirty
one years old, enjoyed the healthiest season of his career.
He was solid defensively and had some big games. For me,
Anthony Davis is their primary building block, not Lebron James.

(04:53):
You mean, I like hearing that, but it's fact and
Anthony Javis. Anthony Davis can be that defensive a anchor
that the Lakers really neat if he stays healthy. To
his credit, he played seventy six games last year. Will
he do that again next year? I don't know. I
don't know that he won't, but I you know, certainly
don't know that he will back to Lebron fifty million

(05:17):
for a forty year old. Am I implying that Lebron
James might be holding the Lakers back?

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Now?

Speaker 2 (05:25):
I'm not implying it. I'm emphatically stating it. Lebron is
not going to elevate them into contention as their primary option. Now,
the Lakers have some flexibility a little bit to approve
their roster. They got some mid tier contracts. You got
Austin Reeves, right, you got some first round draft picks

(05:47):
that can get their foot in the door. I don't know.
You know, if you want to trade that capital, do
you take a shot at a tree young, do you
take a shot at Zach Lavine or a Brandon Ingram,
Maybe even a Jimmy Butler. I don't know, he's thirty
five years old as well. But anybody that would be
the type of guy that could be the difference maker

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to get the Lakers and do serious contention, which I
don't see in the cards at all, would cost more
than the Lakers can pay for. And let's say you
bring in one of those names I just mentioned. Hell,
let's say the Cleveland said we'll give you Donovan Mitchell
for three draft picks. Okay, does that help you topple
Luka Doncic about the you know, Anthony Edwards or Shay

(06:32):
Gilgess Alexander. If they do that, then coach Reddick is
even better than I thought he was. And he was
pretty good with those nine year olds. I like the dude.
And I told you many times on the show. Chuck
Day told me once that managing an NBA team, coaching
an NBA roster is all about managing an adult daycare center.
He didn't say it the pejorative. He's got to win

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that locker room. That's more than anything else. And JJ Reddick.
To me, seems like he can flip into that hard
ass more anytime he wants. And I don't know that
I would call him stubborn, but i'd call him sent
his way. It's kind of like Lebron and I would
say this that, you know, even if anything I just
mentioned is remotely possible. I don't know how they round

(07:14):
out this roster. You just don't. That's what happens when
Lebron's on your team. Lebron leads your team, you exhaust
every available option to build a champion. Well, the Lakers
tried four years ago. They're still paying for it. They
cleared their prospects, brandon Ingram and Josh Hart, handful of
draft picks, including their twenty twenty five first round selection,
all to acquire Anthony Davis. Lebron also made the decision

(07:39):
that they wanted to chase Russell Westbrook that also cost
the Lakers their twenty twenty seven first round pick, just
to get rid of his salary. This system is a
broken one. I am all in to see what is
going to happen. I love outside the box hires period. Frankly,

(08:00):
many times in history they've worked more than you may
ever realize. So we'll see what happens when the Lakers
run into trouble next season, because they will. I'm not
wishing it on them. It's just when you look at
the composition of the roster, some of the combustible, you know, personalities,

(08:21):
I don't know. You know, Lebron and JJ might have
a hell of a good time yucking it up when
they're doing their podcast, but this is serious business and
you're gonna get on the floor next year against the
likes of you know, Dallas and certainly Denver, who I
expect to be back in a big way and up
and down the Western Conference. It's not a it's not

(08:42):
a picnic. So the long and the short of it is,
this will be fun to watch. It's a nice vanity
high for the Lakers. Keeps him in the news. JJ
Reddick does check a lot of boxes when you consider
what the Lakers are really trying to accomplish. But still
I believe in, you know, inside the average, they see
themselves as a championship or bus team. They do. Do

(09:05):
you really think when Lebron signs this three year deal,
which I'm certain he's going to, and you take up
all that real estate the next three years, they're gonna
even be in the finals. I don't you know what,
Laker fans. Lakers prove me wrong. Maybe you're right and
I'm wrong, but don't tell me. Show me coming up.

(09:27):
It keeps rearing its head, the Olkland names to Vegas.
We keep finding speed bumps, and they're not little speed bumps.
Coming up, We're gonna bring you the perspective from the
Bay Area side of things. Larry Beale, he's a news anchor,
a KGOTV and San fran former Sports Center anchor. He

(09:47):
and I have corresponded for about a year. It's got
a lot of good things to say. You're gonna want
to hear it. I'm Bernie fraddleer Kemedy live from Las Vegas,
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All right back in the Bernie Fattle Show, Fox Sports
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Pacific five em Easterns. Welcome and a gentleman you remember
him back in the day hosting esp and Sports Center
along the likes of Alongside the likes of Keith Oberman
and Dan Patrick, currently with KGOTV in San Francisco. Say

(11:05):
hello to Larry Beal. Larry, good evening, Good to be
with you.

Speaker 7 (11:09):
Yeah, it's great to finally talk, although not in person
but electronically.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yes, so we've corresponded nicely of the past year, and
without further ado, we should dive right into the meat
of the matter. Larry. Let me set it up this way.
Three weeks ago, I'm in a pub in London, sitting
next to some folks from Houston, and they found out
if from Vegas. The first thing you want to know
is how do you feel about the Oaklan A's coming.
So if anybody doesn't think this as a topic, this

(11:36):
is a topic. Let's start here at thirty thousand feet.
The A's are in the midst of a long homestand
they drew about three grand the other night. They dragging
about six thousand per game on the season. What is
the state of the state among the fans in the
city Visa VI the Oaklan A's right.

Speaker 7 (11:52):
Now, Well, the fans have responded to John Fisher's ownership style,
which is to be cheaper than cheap. And you know,
there's a misconception that because there's nobody in the stands,
that Oakland doesn't have a strong fan base. It's actually

(12:16):
the exact opposite of that. So when they conduct what
they call reverse boycott games, the place is packed. The
fans love the Oakland Bays, they hate the owner. And
so you know, given that trying to move here, trying
to move there, trying to move here, trying to move there,

(12:38):
you know, finally everybody just said, hey, we hate this guy.
We're not giving him another dollar of our hard earned money.
And that's why you don't have any crowds unless it's
a reverse boycott day, because right now they've been pretty
much boycotting every game.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah, well said, And that dynamic, that odd dynamic you
articulate that, Well, I'm aware of that, and I guess
it speaks to a general malaise for a city. It's
been a great baseball time for over fifty years. How
will it work next year in the A's or the
year after next when they're in Sacramento. How will they

(13:14):
draw there?

Speaker 7 (13:16):
That's a great question. And I think the park that
they're going to play in is like ten thousand seats,
so they could pack, you know, three games worth of
fans in Oakland up in Sacramento.

Speaker 8 (13:30):
They may do, Okay.

Speaker 7 (13:31):
I mean, I'm really curious to see how this grand
experiment is going to work because I was told this
week that they're putting in a turf field there because
you're going to still have a Triple A team there
in addition to the A's pseudo major League team, and
the field would not hold up, so I think they

(13:52):
had to go with an artificial surface. And I was
told that it's going to be about one hundred and
fifteen into one hundred and twenty degrees on the field
for the players on term. Why the Players Association would
go along with this nonsense? I don't have the slightest idea,

(14:13):
but it's absurd.

Speaker 8 (14:16):
And if you.

Speaker 7 (14:17):
Wonder, well, why Sacramento?

Speaker 8 (14:19):
How did this happen?

Speaker 7 (14:21):
So the Vekrona DV who owns the Sacramento Kings, he
made all of his money in Silicon Valley. He and
John Fisher are the current as owner. They're billionaire buddies.
So it's the billionaire helping out a billionaire. Except for this,
the Vekrona dive has already said he thinks the Vegas
deal is going to fail and he believes that Major

(14:44):
League Baseball will just say, okay, well where are the
A's right now? Oh, they're in Sacramento. Good, that's where
we're going to keep them. And that's the end of
the story. So he is giving his ballpark because he
owns the park for free for three years.

Speaker 9 (15:00):
Nope.

Speaker 7 (15:01):
I mean, and let me tell you, when John Fisher
hears the word free, worst in the line. He is
first in line, baby, So you know it's funny. How
you know one of your buddies is counting on you
to fail in building in Las Vegas, and so that's
why he's hosting the team in Jacramento.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah. One of the theories has been is this address
rehearsal for Sacramento to get a baseball team. That's why
I'm so fascinated by the story, because even if everything
goes perfectly, Larry, they're not going to have their first
pitch until you know, April of twenty twenty eight here
in Las Vegas, and there's a lot that has to
happen between now and then. I'm glad you brought up
the players Association. I agree with you and alan vocal

(15:42):
line from George Steinbanner in nineteen eighty one during the
fifty one day players strike that that was really the
very first long strike. George Steinbacher said, if Buie Koon
were alive today, we'd still be playing baseball. Of course,
that was a facetious comment. I didn't say about Rob Manfred,
where has he been in this hole? Or it seems
like his motives had been nefarious and that he's trying

(16:04):
to steve it or this move to get it get
the a's out of Vegas or check that get the
A's out of Oakland into Vegas.

Speaker 7 (16:13):
Rob Manfred is, I'm sorry, he's a buffoon. He has
no clue what he's doing. And I have to give
him credit on two things. The pitch clock, brilliant, lad
that we have the pitchclock, let's move the games along.
And the game at rick Wood Field that we saw

(16:35):
yesterday with the Giants paying homage to the negro leagues
and Willie Mays, who unfortunately passed away this week. But
it's just a difficult situation. It makes no sense to
me what Manford is trying to do. I think that

(16:58):
the best that we can come up with is that
the other owners and Manford are just tired of dealing
with Oakland politics, which is a complete mess and has
been for the better part of twenty twenty five years,
and they just don't believe that they can get something
done with Oakland because they've tried and tried and tried.

(17:18):
The problem is they're trying with John Fisher and nobody
believes anything he says, or Dave Cavill says.

Speaker 8 (17:24):
It's like a clown show.

Speaker 7 (17:26):
And so if Rob Manford were to say, look, you
either have to get a shovel in the ground or
sell to a local ownership group. In Oakland, I can
give you easily three to five ownership groups that would
put down the billion one point five whatever, and then
you go through the undertaking of building a stadium. There's

(17:49):
a ton of money here.

Speaker 8 (17:50):
There's people.

Speaker 7 (17:51):
Joe lake of, the owner of the Golden State Warriors,
he would buy the A's in half a second. He's
told me personally, Look, Larry, I can't buy something that's
not for.

Speaker 9 (18:00):
Sale, and that's this.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
So until it's for sales, what do you want me
to do?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Talk with Larry bl ABC seven in San Francisco, former
Uespean SportsCenter anchor. Right, let's cut to the chase. Let's
talk about John Fish here. One of the reasons I
really wanted to have you on the night is about
ten days ago a report was banned about that in
the A's inaugural year, they want to play six or
seven games elsewhere from Las Vegas, some sort of barnstorming

(18:29):
tour that did not sit well here, and that led
me to believe there actually could be a chink in
the armor. Although the people I'm pretty plugged in here
and people here that no, still believe it's in ninety
nine point five percent, or that the a's are common
because enough of the powerful people wanted. But when you
hear something like that, Larry, it gives you pause. Were
you aware of that and what were the a's thinking.

Speaker 7 (18:51):
I was not aware of it until it became public.
I look, this is standard operating procedure for John Fish
and Dave Cavill. Throw something out there that makes absolutely
no sense, that's going to outrage people. And also, by
the way, the phony boloney projections that they're supposed to be,

(19:13):
you know, generating like selling out every game for eighty
one days. I'm sorry, this is Fantasy Lands stuff. So
you know, you say ninety nine point five percent.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Well, well, they're raising the Tropicana and there's a lot
of mechanisms in play here that if they don't come,
it's going to be at it's going to be a fiasco.
Continue Larry.

Speaker 7 (19:37):
Sorry, Well yeah, I mean sorrdy a fiasco. But I
would take the under a ninety nine point five just
from where I'm sitting. Here's you know, you want to
cut to the chase.

Speaker 8 (19:48):
He doesn't have the money.

Speaker 7 (19:49):
I was just going to go there he does not
have the money. Yes, he's a billionaire. And you know
he just got a bunch of stock from Gap, which
is family owns. And you know he won the genetic
lottery because his parents were brilliant and the created. Now
he's a billionaire. Okay, wow, I was born, I'm born,
and I'm a billionaire.

Speaker 10 (20:09):
Man.

Speaker 7 (20:09):
I'm really cooking here.

Speaker 8 (20:11):
Anyway.

Speaker 7 (20:13):
They spent a year with Golden Sacks trying to figure
out a financing plan. Golden Sacks is out of the deal.
Now now you tell me you can't get something done
with Golden Sacks behind you?

Speaker 11 (20:27):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 7 (20:30):
They John Fisher does not want to put up much
of his own money. First he said it was going
to be five hundred million that he was putting in.
Then he said no, no, no, it's going to be
a billion, and then he went back to five hundred million.
You don't this guy, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday still get three
different responses. And that's why, you know, I if there's

(20:51):
a way for them to screw it up, they will
figure out how to screw it up, because that's all
they do. I mean, they live. This franchise for twenty
plus years has been trying to build stadiums everywhere. They
tried twice in Oakland, they tried in Fremont, which is
a neighboring community. They were trying to get the San Jose.
They can't do anything properly. And that's you know, that's

(21:16):
that's where it is. And it's unfortunate because if if
Manfred had any kind of guts, and I know he
works for the owners, so you know, the other owners
want to use Oakland as an example.

Speaker 8 (21:29):
Like you're going to lose your team if you don't
come up with the money.

Speaker 7 (21:33):
So that that's also a part of this and why
they keep you know, pushing, pushing and pushing Vegas. But
here's the other, you know, the other part of it.
Their plans, at least as we were explained, once the
ballpark is built, they still want to be on MLD
revenue sharing. They're not going to make enough money with

(21:57):
their plan. So who in his right mind would invest
in a money losing business that requires you to sell
out every home game, do not even break even?

Speaker 12 (22:12):
And what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (22:14):
So, Larry, let's talk money real quickly. Last thing for me,
the fundamental issue this is a one and a half
billion dollar ballpark cause it going to be funded. And
you're right, Fisher went from five hundred million to a
billion dollars back down to five hundred million and later
supporting for me indicates some sports finance company. I don't
know who they are, galaty Ote of Sports Partners, I
don't know who they are. I just heard their name

(22:35):
for the first time a couple days ago. I understand
they're bringing them in to help this much needed cash infusion,
which means Fisher would need partners, which means, according to
this econometric model, he could part with as much as
forty percent of the team, which I think is in
n F money him. Finally, today, what's going on here? Larry?

(22:57):
The local public funding here in Las Vegas committed three
hundred eighty million, and that money, which was approved by
Nevada legislators, is being heavily challenged by education advocates here
in Las Vegas. Can Fisher cover this nut when push
comes to shove.

Speaker 7 (23:15):
The information that you just conveyed is new to me,
and I don't know who this group is or.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Galaate Yoto, I'll spell it. You look into this because
I really enjoy corresponding with you. G a La t
Ioto galaate Yoto Sports Partners apparently some sort of finance
company who has a long history in sports finance, and
they're helping to raise five hundred million for the project.
And you're right, the Garrett the Air to the Gap fortune,

(23:42):
presiding over a franchise worth one point two billion, needs
to raise money. You got the floor.

Speaker 7 (23:49):
It's none of this makes any sense, and you set
it up properly. He doesn't want to have to sell
off a huge chunk of the team because he's not
going to make nearly the amount of money. And that's
why I keep saying the intelligent thing to do is
to just sell it to Joe Lacob or the there's

(24:12):
another there's several other groups. So just put it that
way and take your billion or your one point five
billion dollar profit and walk and get out of this
because you're not running a functioning business and there's no
evidence to show that it's going to be any different.

Speaker 8 (24:31):
In Las Vegas.

Speaker 7 (24:32):
Again, we're talking about even if if this group can
come up with the five hundred million, you're still talking
about being on revenue sharing. You're losing money. Why would
anyone invest in this? It makes no sense. So that's
why we're that's why it's been eerially quiet for months,
nothing because they don't.

Speaker 8 (24:53):
They have nothing.

Speaker 7 (24:54):
I mean, the first renderings they put out were.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like a fall. Don't get me started.

Speaker 7 (25:00):
I mean, every step of the way, they've managed to
do something that just makes them look like complete incompetence.
And that's what they are. That is what they are.
The only thing to say. On the baseball side, with
David Forst and Billy Bean, he's kitting on more in
the shadows now. They do a great job of drafting

(25:21):
and developing players. That's the only reason they have anybody
interested in what they're dogma from really good young players.
But so that that's the baseball outside is fine, even
woefully underfunded, but the business side is a complete inferno,
just a disaster.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Hey Larry, great stuff. This is long overdue to have
you and periodically able to reach out because I think
this is a fluid situation and I appreciate your candor
so this is a real story. Thanks so much for
making time for me tonight.

Speaker 7 (25:53):
Hey man, I'm glad. I'm glad we finally had the
time to connect. And next time I'm in Vegas, I'm
going to find.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
You look forward to it. I'll pick up the tab evening.

Speaker 7 (26:05):
Well, I might, I might be flying in tomorrow. Then
after that, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Let me know. We got three thousand restaurants. I'll pick one,
all right, Thanks Larry, Larry b O ABC seven Barrier.
He's he and I have corresponded quite a bit over
the last year since the age to Satura. They were
going to move, but as you heard him say, it's
not necessarily a fade of complete. This is a this
is a you know, a going situation, and we don't

(26:29):
know really ultimate what's going to happen, although it still
feels like they're coming, but it's not one hundred percent
coming up. There was an amazing event, Rick would feel
last night in Birmingham, Alabama. I've never been to that stadium,
but actually drove by in April of twenty twenty three,
and I want to talk all about that, just ever
so quickly in the passing and Willie Mayson set up

(26:50):
our two midnight hour topics. And oh, by the way,
you may have heard Reggie Jackson's candid, kurt poignant dissertation
last night about what he had to go through. Well,
I'm going to tell you a story that Hank Aaron
told me in nineteen ninety one. I spent two hours
with him in the National Sports Collectors Convention that might
even top Reggis. But first, let's go to our guy,

(27:11):
Kevin Figures with the latest.

Speaker 13 (27:13):
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Back to Bernie Fredo.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
All right, thanks, Kevin, Sure everything's going well with fatherhood?
All right? I want to talk about last night at
rick wood Field, and I want to set up the
Midnight Hour topics. We've got two. But let me let

(28:36):
me talk ever so quickly about the passing of Willie Mays.
He once said court I wasn't the best hitter Ted
Williams was, I wasn't the best fielder for Berto Clemanny was.
I wasn't the best base stealer Morriy Willis was, But
I was among the best in everything. Willie May said
that back in nineteen seventy nine he was among the
best at everything. And I saw Willie play when he

(28:57):
was thirty eight years old, still at an athlete. He
made a catch in an old timers game at fifty
once that some center fielders in Major League Baseball today
might not even make. Played his career in Candlestick, part
six hundred and sixty home runs. I guarantee you playing
in that win tunnel. You know. At the eighty four
All Star Game, Reggie Jackson looked over at Bob Bramley says,

(29:19):
I really admire you. Bob. He goes, Why he goes?
You got to play in this mole for every night
it was freezing, it was windy. Had Willy played in say, Atlanta,
he might have hit another one hundred home runs. Plus
he lost two years of the military. Someone one asked me,
and twenty four once asked me in twenty four years,
why did Willy Maze only win twelve Gold Gloves? Well,
it wasn't. The Gold Glove wasn't even established until Willie's

(29:42):
seventh year in baseball, and then he won a twelve
straight seasons after it was established. Look, there's no way
you can compare Willie Mays to anybody playing today. Better
than anybody playing today. Sorry, the closest to me was
maybe Echiro, because eachro could run like the wind throw,
hit with power, hit, you know all those things. He

(30:02):
just did things with a freak show Ken Griffy Junior.
I would say Barry Bonds, yeah, offensively, but Barry Bonds
was nowhere near the defensive player Willie Mays was. And
on paper it's possible to argue that will he was
the best to ever played the game, not just statistics
but his tally in terms of his ability, whose work

(30:23):
transcended the game. He was larger than life, which is
going to be part of the first topic of Tonight's
Midnight Hour, which you'll dial up twenty two minutes from
now from where I sit in Las Vegas. It'll be
twelve midnight on the dot twenty two minutes from now
from where you sit, whether it be here on the
West Coast or anywhere around the world, it will either

(30:45):
be twelve midnight literally or twelve night midnight figuratively. Will
take your calls at eight seven seven to nine, Fox
ninety nine one Fox. Try that again, eight seven, seven
nine to nine on Fox. All right, here's where I
want to go with this topic. It's been quite a month.
Bill Walton passed away, legend icon Jerry West passed away,

(31:07):
legend icon Willie Mays passed away, legend icon transcended. Bill
Walton hadn't played an NBA game in thirty eight years
when he passed away. Jerry West hadn't played in fifty years,
Willie Mays fifty one years. Yet they're iconic, and they're transcendent,
and they arouse emotion. The reverence, the respect, the high

(31:30):
esteem that these gentlemen, you know, Garner still resonates decades later.
So here's the question, who in the hell in today's
sports tapestry might engender the same admiration fifty years from
now if they pass. I have one name, and I'll
save it for later. And it's a big maybe, but

(31:51):
it's the one guy that's in the NFL. But I'll
save it for later. So Bill Walton thirty eight years
ago was the last time he played, hadn't played after
nineteen seventy four, Willie Mays nineteen seventy three. Yet they
remain iconic, and the emotion that is engendered when people

(32:11):
talk about them, the transcendent nature, the reverence, the respect
people hold him the highest team, the tangible, visceral feel
still resonates decades later. Who possibly in today's sports tapestry,
Playing any sport might engender that same emotion and admiration
fifty years from now, when we're doing this show in

(32:33):
twenty seventy four. The second topic, You know, we've had
a couple of players now one in the NBA, one
in Major League Baseball, banned for life. In the last
thirty days, Pete Rose has been making the rounds, been
on a lot of podcasts. I think Pete's eighty two
years old.

Speaker 14 (32:50):
Now.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Does it serve any fruitful purpose anymore to keep Pete
Rose out of baseball? There are two aspects of this.
He's banned from baseball. He can't work in baseball, he
can't coach, he can't be really be around it. Also,
I see no path for him to get to the
Hall of Fame. But if you're a commissioner for a day,
would you waive some sort of magic wand so at
least the writers could vote on Pete Pete in the

(33:12):
Hall of Fame. Does it serve any fruitful purpose anymore
to deny Pete that opportunity and an opportunity to be
part of the Major League Baseball tapestry? He might, you know,
he might be a real asset and speaking to groups
as to the ills and dangers and the thirty five
years Peach's beIN in purgatory. I get it. If you
had to do it over again, he might have handled

(33:33):
it differently. Okay, he suffered enough, he's paid enough. Charlie
Hustle is still a name that invokes the same type
of emotion. He might be a real asset to baseball.
So those are two topics. Doesn't serve any fruitful purpose
anymore for Pete Rose to be banned. Secondly, Bill Walton,
Jerry West, Willie Mains. None of him played a game
in decades, yet they arouse that same transcendent emotion when

(33:55):
you mention her name. Who fifty years from now might
garner that same coming out. I tell the story that
Hank Aaron told me in nineteen ninety one at the
National Sports Collector's Convention in Anaheim. I was part of
the executive staff and I was working the green room,

(34:16):
and Hank, what an elegant, lovely man and what a
gentleman actually, believe it or not, He told me a
story about the biggest indignity he hit for suffered in
the minor leagues. And if you heard Reggie Jackson's story
last night, which is important to tell you want to
hear this, I'm Bernie Friddle or coming to you live

(34:37):
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Keep it locked right here. You're listening to the Bernie
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Speaker 2 (34:49):
How we're back on the Bernie Fridtle Show Fox Sports Radio.
Come to your live after the TIRECT dot Com studios
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From where I sit here in Las Vegas, it will
the clock will stry midnight. We'll take your calls at
eight seven, seven, nine ninety six sixty three sixty nine.
If you watched that impeccably wonderful event last night at
rick wood Field, great baseball, great history, great entertainment, celebrating

(35:14):
the Neger Leaks, their contribution to professional baseball, celebrating the
life of Willie Mays. If you watch the beginning of
the show, Reggie Jackson sat on a panel, and we
all know that Reggie is knocking immence words and he
didn't last night, and I'm glad he didn't because part
of The reason of the celebration is that until nineteen

(35:35):
forty seven, Blacks were denied access to Major League baseball,
even though they were good enough to play, merely because
of the color of their skin, a scorge that will
never be forgot. There was a young man who was
born in Mobile, Alabama, went to a high school, didn't
even have a baseball team, tried out for the Brooklyn
Dodgers we know it was fifteen, got cut, but hung around,

(35:58):
kept playing, joining independent Legal League team, and the ended
up moving along and signing with the Indianapolis Clowns. His
idol was Jackie Robinson, and by the time nineteen fifty
one rolled around, when Hank Aaron signed his contract with

(36:18):
the Indianapolis Clowns of the Negro League, Blacks were allowed
to play in Major League baseball. Obviously, Hank Aaron was
a standout player, but if you heard Reggie Jackson's story
last night, you're gonna want to hear this one. Reggie
Jackson talked about the inability to eat in restaurants and

(36:40):
stay at hotels that it made for quite a stressful existence. Well,
one particular time, the Indianapolis Clowns were playing an away
game at Griffith Stadium in Washington, DC, and apparently the
game got rained out or something like that. So somehow
they got to eat in a restaurant that was near

(37:03):
Griffith Stadium, which was unusual because they would have normally
been denied, but they were allowed to eat. So as
they were finishing up their meal and they started to
file out, the players heard a strange noise. They heard
plates being smashed against the walls in the kitchen after
they finished eating. Henry Aaron told me that was a

(37:25):
really terrible thing to hear. Terrible thing to hear, because
they all looked at each other and they realized what
was happening. This restaurant, even though they allowed the black
players to eat there, decided they were going to smash
and destroy the plates and throw off the forks because
they'd been in the mouths and been touched by a
black man. Henry Aaron told me that, you know, if

(37:49):
dogs had eaten off those plates, they would have just
washed them. That doesn't leave you. That doesn't leave you.
Now you know why Reggie Jackson said what he said,
and part of the reason the celebration last night was
so epic and so heartfelt, and there was such a tangible,
visceral feel, not just in the game between played between

(38:11):
the lines. Look, I got to interview Buck all right,
I just said my brain cramp. Buck O'Neil, excuse me,
what a wonderful man talked to him thirty years ago
and talked about the sound of the ball, back to
the ball, the back the ball coming off of Josh
Gibson's bad because the last time I heard that, when
I heard Bo Jackson hit a baseball, that was what

(38:33):
it sounded like when Josh Gibson played. Well, Josh Gibson
wasn't allowed to play in the Major League. So look,
the bottom line is this. We had an event last
night celebrated Willie Mays. William Mays has passed, along with
Bill Walton and along with Jerry west three huge icons.
None of them have played in fifty years. Walton played

(38:53):
thirty eight years ago. Yet they still have the same reverence,
the same respect. People hold them in the same high
esteem even though they hadn't played. You know, in Maze's
case in seventy three, Walton's case in seventy four, and
in Walton played in eighty six, eighty seven, and Jerry
Weston seventy four, who today might inspire that same type

(39:16):
of admiration fifty years from now. I've got one name,
but I don't even know if he will. And then
the other part of the equation tonight, Pete Rose has
been making the rounds. Doing a lot of podcasts doesn't
serve any fruitful purpose anymore. To keep Pete Rose banned
from baseball, he might be an ascent speaking to team,
speaking to players. We've already had two players banned for

(39:37):
life one of the NBA won of Major League Baseball.
Or maybe we make you commissioner for a day. You
get to waive of magic wand and you can create
a special ballot whereby at least writers can vote current
and past. Should Pete be admitted to the Hall of Fames.
Get your fingers ready eight seven seven nine nine six
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have two great topics. We waste no time. It is,
in fact the midnight hour.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
Right now, the midnight hours.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Where I sit in Las Vegas, it is twelve midnight,
and from where you sit in maybe twelve midnight literally,
and it's certainly twelve midnight figuratively. We have two great
topics tonight. Look forward to hearing from all of you.
Callers have been great since we instituted this back around
New Year's. We start with Jim in Massachusetts. Jim, good evening.

(41:09):
How are you tonight?

Speaker 15 (41:10):
Hey Bernie, how you doing?

Speaker 11 (41:12):
Oh yeah, I'm sorry about Willie Passon and all.

Speaker 8 (41:15):
Those guys and everything.

Speaker 11 (41:16):
I remember when I was in Little League, I got
drafted by the Giants. I wanted to be Willie made
you know, you reached the team together, and then I
had to switch over to Willie McCovey. Because I threw
left and I batt left, but I was willing, and
I went up in the Cubs and Babe Ruth and
then I wanted to be Ernie Banks. And you know,
when you're a kid, you never cared about about the color.
You wanted to be the best. You want to imitate
the best. And those guys, And I know you said

(41:40):
another guy will be remembered in fifty years.

Speaker 9 (41:42):
No, no, No.

Speaker 11 (41:44):
The reason about those guys and that era is that
they came to play every day, whether it was practice
or a game, they came to play. They didn't think
about money. They didn't think about even though they were
getting paid. They didn't think about all that. It was
all about the games. And you don't have that anymore,
you know.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
He Just so, I'm accepting your answer that there won't
be anybody in fifty years like a Bill Walton. Jerry
West is certainly Willie Mays that we'll talk about with
the same reverence. Good stuff, Jim, any any quick thoughts
on Pete Rose.

Speaker 11 (42:12):
I know I told you this before a bit, Bernie,
that Lions used to say the Hall of Fames football players,
you know, and Heaven's the Saints. But after what Pete
Rose did to Ray Fosse and that all start game.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
No, no, no, him over.

Speaker 8 (42:29):
Yeah, yeah, there.

Speaker 9 (42:30):
Was no excuse for that.

Speaker 11 (42:31):
It's just there's something about that guy that he's just
not on this planet, you know. And I know he
was the leading hits ahead of but there's always something
about him.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
That you know, just you know, he's not all there.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
You know.

Speaker 11 (42:44):
That's the way I look at that and one other things, Bernie.
I know it's not a topic tonight. I think Lebron
and Reddick are going to go together like a bolonean
whipped cream sandwich.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
I don't think.

Speaker 11 (42:55):
That that whole thing hiring him isn't going to be
any good. I mean, he's going in there, what forty
million shy, what what they were going to offer early,
and he's going to solve all their problems with all
of his piers are going to be looking at that
and the way he carries himself and the way.

Speaker 8 (43:12):
He's been that. Oh, that's going to be ugly, Bernie.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
I think that's gonna be I don't think you're wrong.
I'll see how it plays out. All right, good stuff
as always, Jim, and joy your weekend. Steven in Los
Angeles joins the Bernie Frattle Show. How are you Stephen?

Speaker 10 (43:25):
Hey, I'm doing fine, Burnie and yourself?

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Great, buddy, What do you got for us tonight?

Speaker 10 (43:30):
Okay, look, I want to touch all three individuals that
you're focusing on. First, real fast, Will Walton. I'm a
U c. L A basketball guy, kind of a USC
football guy, but I was a big Mountain Man fan

(43:50):
and so I love Bill. Secondly, Jerry West. My comment
regarding Jerry West is that what might the Lakers look
like today if there hadn't been the rivalry between Joe
Jackson and Jerry West that I think affected Genie Buss's

(44:12):
attitude towards Jerry Buss, I mean Jerry West, so that
when he left the Warriors, he expressed some interest if
I am not mistaken, at coming back with the Lakers,
and I think the Jackson Genie relationship affected that so
that it never happened, and then he went to the Clippers.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
But what I want to do, Bud, I got a
lot of calls online. Is there anybody fifty years from
now that you can see will have the same type
of reference as May's Walton?

Speaker 8 (44:42):
Or Well?

Speaker 10 (44:43):
Can I say the one thing that I wanted to
say regard really because I saved him for last. So
I'm African American. I've been a Dodger fan since nineteen
fifty nine. I'm a hardcore Dodger fan, and I at
least for sports fun. I hate the Giants and always have,

(45:04):
but Willie Mays was the one giant I was never
able to hate. I was always holding my breath with
Vada Bretch every pitch was pitched to him. Loved him
in the All Star Game. Was never able to hate
him even though he was a giant.

Speaker 2 (45:22):
Hey, I appreciate you calling in, Stephen. Don't be a stranger.
We'll hear from you again, Solomon, also in Los Angeles.
Anybody here fifty years from now that you will carry
the same you heard the gentleman before the reverence to
Willie Mays. You heard come from his heart. Is anybody
today playing going to match that fifty years from now?

Speaker 14 (45:44):
Well, here's believe it or not.

Speaker 8 (45:46):
The name I came up with.

Speaker 14 (45:47):
I don't know if he's going to get the reference
because he's in the cervice personality and a lot of
people really.

Speaker 15 (45:52):
Don't like him.

Speaker 14 (45:54):
But like Lilly Mays and Lily May's greatest five tool
American baseball player of all time. Lebron greatest five position
basketball player of all time. There's no other player that
can play the five positions as well as Lebron. He
may not be the best at each, but no one
plays as many positions as Lebron.

Speaker 9 (46:14):
And he's done it forgot over twenty I.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Don't want to talk about Lebron. I could care I
couldn't care less about Lebron, and we ain't gonna be
talking about him fifty years from now. Willie May's Bill Walton,
Jerry West. These are icons that have moved people emotionally.
Is anybody playing today, Solomon that you think will be
carrying that same type of reverence fifty years from now?

Speaker 9 (46:37):
Maybe magic? Maybe magic because he was real.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It's a good answer, you know what, that's a good answer.
I can see that, right. I got a lot of
loss to get. Oh you want to see something about
Pete Rose real quickly?

Speaker 16 (46:48):
Oh yeah, you know it's between the rock and the
hard place.

Speaker 14 (46:51):
Technically demand that on baseball, if it's his lifetime, bans you.

Speaker 8 (46:55):
Got to respect that.

Speaker 9 (46:56):
It comes up to a commissioner, then you got to
respect that.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
Okay, thank you, appreciate your answer on that. Poppy. What
do you got for tonight?

Speaker 17 (47:05):
Poppy?

Speaker 4 (47:07):
No?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
What happened to Poppy? Where do you go? Poppy? Poppy? Poppy?
Ian do you have? Poppy?

Speaker 18 (47:17):
He's connected?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
Might have put him on hold. See what you gotta do?
We get Poppy right back? Oh you're back? Okay, Poppy,
we lost you? What happened?

Speaker 8 (47:26):
Man?

Speaker 2 (47:27):
You follow him?

Speaker 3 (47:28):
Man?

Speaker 17 (47:29):
You know right?

Speaker 19 (47:30):
You know I'm working, and you know I'm gonna tell
you Bernie Gondo very sad. I mean I know he's
still have Hopefully you talk a little bit more. I
know you worked with the Lions and you can talk
about Bernie Sanders about and then uh, you know I
was gonna say about the you know Pete Rose.

Speaker 11 (47:46):
I think he deserves to go to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 19 (47:49):
You know, I'm sports setting is legal and you know
baseball basketball their advertising that crazy, so I think there'll
be a bad job of they don't put him on there.
And uh, another thing I wanted to.

Speaker 17 (48:00):
Talk about it.

Speaker 11 (48:00):
I know you talked about it.

Speaker 19 (48:01):
The first hour, great first hour of Bernie is a
you know basketball real quick. I have a prediction because
the MBA Draft is coming up, and I think the
Lakers are gonna make a move and trade with this first,
because then the first they got too.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I gotta get back on topic, Poppy, I got too
many callers, but you know I love you. Anybody fifty
years from now, yes or no?

Speaker 10 (48:20):
Yes?

Speaker 19 (48:21):
On baseball, what sport?

Speaker 2 (48:23):
It could be, any sport.

Speaker 19 (48:25):
Oh, Victor Wambama. I think vic to Wamayama is the
next one.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Well, we'll you know what, We'll see what he does.
He could potentially be when Poppy appreciate you man, Uh,
we'll see you next Friday. I got to get to
these callers. I don't want anybody getting shout out tonight.
Gary in San Francisco, I'm sure you've been listening all
leaving me. What are your thoughts on our topics?

Speaker 12 (48:45):
Just just a couple of hot topics, especially when you
talk about Willie just briefly, Bernie, I appreciate the interview
with Larry Beal. He's one of my favorites.

Speaker 8 (48:55):
But good guy.

Speaker 12 (48:55):
Getting back, Yeah, getting back on topic. You know a
couple of guys I have in mind fifty years from
now would be Aaron Judge baseball. I just love him
and Steph Curry. You know one of our guys. So
are those are two guys that I.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Think, Well, they did with a lot of championships now,
you know, and if Curry kind of changes the game
a little bit with his three pointers, I'm not going
to rule that out. Do you think though, Curry has
the same type of residence though, transcending the sports, just
the way he carries himself. Because Walton and West and
Mays they're just in the stratosphere when it comes to

(49:33):
their ability to relate to people above and beyond the sport.
You think Curry will have that cashet?

Speaker 12 (49:38):
Oh, most definitely.

Speaker 8 (49:40):
I think.

Speaker 12 (49:41):
Okay, the talk about the talk around the Bay Area
this week, Bernie has been there's only one other guy
that compares with Willie as far as charisma and cashe
a is is Staff and they comparing him a lot
to him.

Speaker 7 (49:55):
And then as far as that Pete, Yeah, the.

Speaker 12 (49:59):
Whole it's a museum, Bernie, not a corner boys section.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Yea.

Speaker 12 (50:04):
So Pete has, like you said, Charlie hustle, played the
game hard, played the game tough. Yeah, I think he
deserves an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Hey, good stuff, Gary, don't be a stranger. And I
would say this that after thirty five years now and
now that legalized betting is legal in thirty eight states,
we now have a couple of guys banned for life.
One in the NBA, one in Major League Baseball. There
are still some people who believe Shohio Tani was somewhat culpable.

(50:35):
I don't, but look there's the conversation. You see where
I'm going with this. Perhaps Pete could be an asset
speak to teams and does it serve any fruitful purpose
anymore to keep him out? But also, fifty years from
now we have any athlete who's playing today have the
same kind of reference. So far, Steph Curry's been the
best answer, although Magic Johnson was a pretty good answer
as well. Coming up, we're going to take all your calls.

(50:57):
Terry and Jerome, You're both up next. We keep it
rolling here on the Bernie Fraddle Show. I'm Bernie Fraddle.
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(51:20):
just getting started. I want to read a tweet from
a Rod Sloan who's listening. He's not able to call in,
but he said Pete Rose should be in the Hall
of Fame and fifty years from now to be talking
about Tiger Woods. Yes, greatest ten year run ever changed
golf absolutely when they start tigerproofing courses. And I think

(51:43):
Tiger has rounded into really an elder statesman. Anyway, good stuff.
I like that. Back to the phones, Terry in Colorado
joins this good evening. Terry, Hello, how's the gun? Good you?

Speaker 8 (51:58):
I'll tell you what you that I command for the
Hall of Fame Roberto Clemente, and not only because of
his on action, you know, but you know humanitarian and
mister Hank, mister Hank all the time, uh, you know
until well but no up to that point, you know, Hank.

(52:22):
I'm tell you what, Yes, do you know who I'm
talking about?

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Well, what you're what I'm trying to get from folks
tonight is given the passing of Willie Mays.

Speaker 8 (52:34):
Well, I'll tell you what Willie Mays was talking about.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Fifty years from now with potentially what.

Speaker 8 (52:42):
I'll tell you what. Unfortunately, he's a bet as a
bit before my time.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
You know, I but you know who he is. But
you know who he is?

Speaker 17 (52:53):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (52:53):
I was to say, hey, kuld oh, I know you.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
Even know his nicknames. So we are we going to
be talking about fifty years now?

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Hey hey kid? Do you know why they told him
to say he could? Because he was that excellent greeting people.
He would say say, hey, how you doing? No, I
know who he is, Willie, what you do?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
That's what we're talking fifty hadn't played a game in
fifty years. We're still talking about it, Terry, real quickly.
Anything on Pete Rose.

Speaker 8 (53:22):
Well, I'll tell you what pe Rose. Until the gambling thing.
I was a huge he Rose fan.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
So you and I have Is that fair? He's done?

Speaker 8 (53:31):
Well you know something? You know he is gambling on
his own team. Okay, I understand that now it was wrong.
It was against baseball rules. I think he made a
huge mistake.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
All right, Terry, appreciate you checking in tonight. Don't be
a stranger. Next up, I believe we have Jerome and Charleston.
Where you been Jerome? He took a few weeks off. Man,
what's going on?

Speaker 17 (53:56):
You didn't nobody took me to London waterm.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Know you're available? Man?

Speaker 9 (54:03):
What was that?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I didn't know you were available? So, hey, you saw
the great event last night, the reverence Willie Mays, not
just him, but Bill Walton, Jerry West, anybody we're gonna
be talking about fifty years from now, today's landscape.

Speaker 17 (54:17):
Lebron James, that's for dog. Sure. Hey, no one will
ever make me disrespect that guy's career and what he's accomplished.
And I'm saying, I'm disappointed in Pete Rose because.

Speaker 8 (54:27):
How did you possibly do so?

Speaker 17 (54:29):
You know what they tell you about baseball, don't ever gamble,
and yet you don't win ahead and did it? I'm
disappointed at he would love his career going on and
asked is like this, I'm disappointed. I've always been a
baseball fan, Okay, I grew up. I love baseball. I
don't know how they even do it. Hey tell me
how you have a ball going one hundred miles and

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I'll coming straight at you, and you don't know what's
gonna go down. I'll try to wa inside out.

Speaker 8 (54:55):
How do you do?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
That's just to keep your heading the tunnel and trying
to score up the bat. If you feel seven times
out of ten you go to the Hall of Fame,
that's how hard it is. It's Jerome.

Speaker 17 (55:05):
No, I still be in a way. I still think
Willie and uh Hankering are two of the more underrated
players you know, in the history of baseball.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Player it were. They're phenomenal human beings too. That's the epic. See,
that's really the essence of what I'm trying to get
across to people tonight, Jerome. These guys were not only
phenomenal baseball players, world class athletes that performed for decades,
set records that'll you know, but they were wonderful people.
They were they transmitted to sport.

Speaker 17 (55:34):
They weren't self promoted. I mean a lot now they
were like they're just it was just a different time,
and I'm just glad that I got a chance to
see maybe a small glimpse of them when I was
going up, because uh, they were just tremendous baseball players.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
Good stuff, Jerome, very good. I feel I felt that
I felt that phone call Ben in Minnesota joins the show.
Good good night or you have to good night. Jeesus,
good evening, Ben, do we have been in I apologize
you and you told me that Fred Nebraska is up next.
Thanks for hanging on Fred.

Speaker 15 (56:11):
Hello there, Uh, he rose. I'd put him in because
of what he did on the field. I think the
gambling stuff came lay here in his career. But you know,
you can't get manager and it.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
And it predated. Yeah, you make a you make a
distinction there. Uh yeahd that that they never had any
evidence that he gambled as a player, to the best
of my knowledge, but as a manager. So continue on.

Speaker 15 (56:36):
That was just going as a player. And as I
understood your question to be, who is playing in sports
today that we'd be remembering in fifty years, because yeah,
the one guy, the one guy stole my thunder And
he said, Tiger Woods. The only Tiger still playing.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
He just played in the US Open. He might not
have made the company. He's still entering tournaments.

Speaker 15 (56:56):
Yeah, I mean he's not Tiger more.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
We get that, right, right.

Speaker 15 (57:00):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
So yeah, and for you, I'll tell you, let's do this.
You selected Tiger for a reason. Tiger is still active.
I believe he'll be active a couple more years as
long as he's you know, can walk the course, I
think he's going to continue to play. What is it
about Tiger? I know my answer? What is your answer
that would make you believe that people will be talking
about him fifty years fromout, which I believe they will

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for sure.

Speaker 15 (57:23):
Just because of how he dominated when you played for
that but eight year stretch or whatever like that, ten.

Speaker 20 (57:28):
Years yeah, absolutely, Yeah, this is going to be a
bad comparison, but TV all the numbers go way up
when he's a lot playing, just.

Speaker 15 (57:39):
Like Caitlin's are. But regardless of that, who's playing today
In the four ball sports that I can think of
that we'd be remembering fifty years. I can only think
of one or two, and they both played for the
Kansas City Chiefs. But then to go beyond the stick
and ball sports, you could look at car racing.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Any sport. It could be car racing, be in the
Olympic sports, it could be individuals sports. You'd be track
and field. Somebody who's transcendent, not necessarily just because of
their performance on the field, but because of the way
they're perceived in public.

Speaker 15 (58:11):
You guys is thinking in IndyCar racing, we think of
Mario andreting aj Poyt. We don't think of anybody else
that I know of, And in stock car racing, with
all of the championships of Jeff Gordon and Jimmy Johnson,
is one we still think of Dale Earnhart Senior. So anyway,
that's all I got.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Okay, thanks a lot for checking in, fred Tony and Miami.
How are you, Buddy, Bernie.

Speaker 21 (58:34):
I don't know if they have to be alive, but
I would go with Charles Barkley whenever if.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
He makes it go under what I'm trying to what
I'm trying to get, just to reset the topic, anybody
who's still active today that that you know. So Barkley
has obviously been retired a long time, so it's anybody
who's active. Tiger's still active. Somebody mentioned Lebron. If these
people resonate with you in a transcendent fashion above and

(58:59):
beyond this foard on the floor or the court of
the field, we might be talking about fifty years from now.

Speaker 8 (59:05):
I mean, with.

Speaker 21 (59:05):
Because Brady retired, I would say, Brady, I don't think
he's inactive, but I'll count him.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
What the hell he's He's only a year or two
removed and Yeah, well that's a good one. That's that's
a really good one.

Speaker 21 (59:16):
We're going on personalities and the way Jerry West and
Will Walton, it really made made you feel after hearing them,
it touched your soul. And I really believe that the sadly,
the advent of phones and technology has watered down a
lot of personalities that are playing today. And somebody, just

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so you know, somebody brought.

Speaker 9 (59:38):
Up the business aspect of it.

Speaker 8 (59:40):
It was always a business.

Speaker 21 (59:41):
But we still have Isa Thomas and Lawrence Taylor.

Speaker 8 (59:47):
It was a business back then.

Speaker 21 (59:48):
But I'm saying that technology has watered down to where we.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Shrumped the world's reality. It shrumped. Yeah, so that's a
good theory that has been banned about what would Mickey
Mantle's care look like if Twitter were alive, when Mickey
Mannle were alive, you get my drift. I mean some of.

Speaker 21 (01:00:04):
Those yeah, or Bill Walton, I mean he was beyond technology,
and so was Jerry West talking about a lot of
the topics he touched on. It wasn't about technology.

Speaker 8 (01:00:16):
He was connecting.

Speaker 21 (01:00:17):
So they're never going to be forgotten.

Speaker 22 (01:00:20):
And the guy some of these guys bring up Lebron
Lebron to be forgotten ten years in terms of his records,
won't go anywhere. But he's got a very sterile, inauthentic
personality and I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's a very thoughtful call. Ben, don't be a stranger.
We do this every Friday night at midnight Pacific time.
Appreciate your thoughts. Ian Am I having a brain cramp?
Was that Tony or was that Ben in Wisconsin?

Speaker 18 (01:00:47):
That was Tony?

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
I apologize. I'll pay better attention here Ben and Wisconsin.
Thanks again, Tony, Ben Wisconsin, you're up next. Your thoughts?

Speaker 23 (01:00:57):
Hey, you're going active? I think that at the home.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
There's my guy.

Speaker 23 (01:01:02):
Yes he is what he does in the community. How
personally is I think that's your guy.

Speaker 8 (01:01:09):
Now I'm thirty nine.

Speaker 23 (01:01:10):
So I'm with the baseball guy.

Speaker 16 (01:01:12):
The ninety for me did.

Speaker 23 (01:01:13):
Not active, but ten years did Jr. I think the
reader he brought people into baseball. And it's a personality.
And I'll go, I mean he's a kid.

Speaker 10 (01:01:21):
You have to take a ke.

Speaker 17 (01:01:23):
You're not a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
But for sure noted any quick thoughts, Ben on Pete Rose.
Would you would you let him back in.

Speaker 23 (01:01:33):
If he showed some kind of remark that you consist
all hav an intelligent conversation and it kind of admit
to what he did. And as the player, absolutely, I
think as the player, those records beat something and they
have something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
Hey appreciate you checking in man, good points both. We
will continue after Kevin's update, Ben Well and Jeff and
will continue to take your calls at seven to seven
the Fox. We've waved goodbye in the last month to
Willie May's, Bill Walton and Jerry West. None of them
have played in decades. Who among today's landscape Maybe Tiger

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that's a good one. And Patrick Mahomes is my guy.
I think he's got a chance. He's got that or
about him very much. He's the likability factor. And Pete
Rose does a serety, fruitful person anymore to keep Pete
Rose on the outside looking in. We'll continue with your
calls eight seven to seven ninety nine on Fox. For
first we go back to a guy Kevin figures with
the latest.

Speaker 13 (01:02:30):
All right, Bernie, We're headed to a game seven in
the Stanley Cup Finals after Edmondson defeated at Florida five
to one on Friday night. Despite a relatively quiet evening
from Connor McDavid. He didn't even have a shot on
goal did not matter. A win on Monday Night in
Florida would make the Oilers just the second team to
win the Cup after falling behind three games to none
on the dime of the Angels defeated at the Dodgers

(01:02:51):
three to two and ten innings. Despite show Heal Tiney
hitting his twenty second home run of the season, Houston
scored nine runs in the sixth inning and held on
to be Baltimore or fourteen to eleven. Luisa Rise and
Jay Cronerworth both with home runs for the Padres. They
defeated the Brewers nine to five. The Braves have won
seven of their last eight. They hammered the Yankees eight
to one. The Red snapped Boston's five game win streak.

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Wins for Cleveland, Texas and Miami, who picked up their
third consecutive walk off win a three to two victory
over Seattle in ten innings and the WNBA. Kaitlin Clark
scored sixteen points with seven assists as the Fever defeated
the Dream in Atlanta ninety one to seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Back to Bernie Freddo all right, thanks Kevin, we go
back out to the full lines. Man, Well, the biggest
thing to come out of LA since Paco's Tacos. We
have been man, well, you took a couple weeks off too. Man.

Speaker 16 (01:03:40):
Oh, Bernie Sprotto burn baby Bird.

Speaker 17 (01:03:44):
Hey man, you know what, Yeah, I just been.

Speaker 16 (01:03:48):
Working, but I've been listening. You know you always put
on a really good show. You're a broadcast professional. Appreciate
all the sports kid beats what my name? Kind of
a fooler?

Speaker 9 (01:04:01):
You all that good stuff.

Speaker 16 (01:04:03):
Speaking of fools, O is p row still combing his
hair with a spoon, Bernie, he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Lives here in Vegas. I run into him now and
then I'll have to ask him you he turned eighty two, man,
well two years old, believe it or not.

Speaker 16 (01:04:16):
God bless him. I know he was with that one
Asian addie, which is still rack.

Speaker 10 (01:04:22):
God bless him.

Speaker 16 (01:04:23):
Man, Hey, but you know what, he's a hit king,
and uh, I think MLB really needs to lift themselves
in the mirror. I don't know if you brought it
up or not. You know, in old days, per Willie Mays.

Speaker 24 (01:04:36):
That say hey kid, regarded by some as.

Speaker 16 (01:04:39):
The greatest baseball player ever, was actually reprimanded, right because
it's a greater.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
In Atlantic City. Yeah. And then they told him he
couldn't do it anymore.

Speaker 16 (01:04:49):
Yeah, and you know so, and now they're in bed
with draft Kings and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Yes, seasons pull that thought, man, well, because does it
serve any fruitful purpose anymore? Now to keep he out
and let it what's happening? I could see him speaking
to team.

Speaker 16 (01:05:04):
Yes, absolutely, I'm trying to say, you know, Paul Giomotti's
pops had an act to grind. He did. Pete was lyon,
you know. I mean, hey, we all know what's worse
to cover up or the lie itself.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
And again you're onto something big there. Man. Well he
had a chance to come cleaning. Eighty nine A Bart
Giamatti passed and his deathbed wish uh was no, don't
let him in. Hey, real quickly, I want to get
your thoughts. We're gonna be talking about anybody playing today
in any sport. I don't care it's Telly Winks, like

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we're talking about William May's, Bill Walton, Jerry west.

Speaker 16 (01:05:46):
Man. I hate to say it, but you know who
that we're going to be talking about like that, Lebron James. Okay,
you know down the line, whether it's his legacy of
his galleon or whether it's his legacy of nepotism. It
will be poking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
And well, always with your your ball. I love it.
You set us up and then you snap off. Uncle
Charlie there you're the man.

Speaker 8 (01:06:13):
Love the show, Bernie.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Keep up the good work, bir baby burn.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
That is the legendary Manuel in Guardina, Jeff in Denver,
you are up next. Welcome to the Bernie Frattle Show.

Speaker 9 (01:06:26):
First of all, shout out to your who what kind
of fool are you?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
We do it every Saturday night, man, I know it's
it's really taken off. We do it Saturday night at
two am Pacific, five am Eastern. We'll have another doozy
tomorrow night. All right, what are your thoughts on our
two topics?

Speaker 9 (01:06:41):
I got a couple of them. And as far as
who's active who's not active, you almost got to include
Mike Tyson.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
I like that one. I like that one a lot
because he's a guy who's clear, he's been in movies transcended. Yeah, yes,
continue on. I'll go with that one. He's still active
fighting Jake Paul fifteen.

Speaker 9 (01:07:02):
And a couple other ones that Candermine or Shohani for
the fact that you know can pitch and hit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
See what he does really good ones, really good ones.

Speaker 9 (01:07:12):
Joker and being from Denver, Joker Nicole entirely.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Possible, depending on how many more championships he wins been
entirely possible. Thoughts on Pete Ruse, Pete Rose, excuse me, Ruse?
Is that is that a Freudian slip?

Speaker 9 (01:07:25):
Go to go ahead, and I am adamant adamant on
Pete Rose. Let him in the Hall of Fame is
based on what you did as a player, not anything else.
He bet, Yeah, he made mistake. He bet when he
was coaching, Okay, But as a player, he deserves to
be let in. I am adamant on that. You've got
to let him in. As a player, he's an he's

(01:07:47):
an author. Hall of Famer.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yeah. Plus, you know, Jeff, so much history has transpired, right,
gambling is legal now, he's paying his pennance for thirty
five years. I think he could be an asset to baseball.
I don't think it serves a fruitful purpose anymore. Uh. Anyway,
you got the last word, Jeffy, I want to get
to the air calls.

Speaker 9 (01:08:07):
Go ahead, it should be based on what he did
as a player. As a player, he's a hall of
you should need they need to separate it and let
him in. I am adamant on that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He really really good stuff. Jeff really good. Don't be
a stranger man, Bill in Chicago, How are you?

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
Bill? Very good?

Speaker 4 (01:08:29):
Good?

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
You got the you got the floor man.

Speaker 9 (01:08:32):
Well, first of all, you know, with p Rose, I
was like an amateur sports is.

Speaker 12 (01:08:37):
He's betting on That's something that happens all the time.

Speaker 11 (01:08:40):
Like in bowling leagues, softball leagues and everything else.

Speaker 12 (01:08:44):
He's betting on his own team. I definitely don't have
a problem with that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
So, uh so you give him a shot to to
reinstate himself in some in former fashion. Anybody we're talking
about fifty years should matter with the same reverence as Williams,
Bill Walt and Jerry West.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
I think he's an obvious one.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
Leo mess Oh, that's a good one too. Now it's
an international sport at soccer, that's okay, I'll go with that.
You're you're ratching out for that.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:09:11):
First of all, he's in Miami, so he's.

Speaker 12 (01:09:13):
A US now. Yeah, I mean it's his popularity and
you know, having won a world that they're gonna be
talking about him because here, well, you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Know, I'll tell you why I liked that one a lot,
because you know, we still talk about Pelee. Pelee hadn't
played a long time. All right, Hey, that's good stuff. Bill,
appreciate you, man. Uh. Kovika in Maui, Hawaii, Hello, welcome
to the show.

Speaker 24 (01:09:35):
Hello, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 17 (01:09:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:09:37):
Absolutely, I'd let Pete rose in Gammoti head it out
for him, and then Ceely was just friends of Gammty.

Speaker 8 (01:09:44):
I think that.

Speaker 15 (01:09:47):
Yeah, but he.

Speaker 24 (01:09:48):
Was the best hitter of all time with the last
one hundred years. However, major League Baseball is uh, they should.

Speaker 15 (01:09:54):
Let Bonds in.

Speaker 24 (01:09:55):
I mean just for his numbers in Pittsburgh and Clemens
uh who else?

Speaker 14 (01:10:01):
What else?

Speaker 24 (01:10:02):
Fifty years turnout? Tiger Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
Yeah, we've heard some doodles Tiger, Mike Tyson and Lebron Okay,
all right, not bad, good stuff, Kovika, appreciate you man.
Mike in Arizona, you're up next. Your thoughts?

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
How you doing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Thanks for having me you bad? Welcome in.

Speaker 8 (01:10:26):
I do I have I have too.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
The first one is new, but I do believe Caitlin
Clark will be because I think that's going to change
the n W n b A in popularity, and I
think she'll be talked about the transending that point.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Yeah, she's just getting started. But it's entirely popple. When
you see. The thing is, when you sell that many tickets,
that's not a fluke. When you you're ready to the roof,
that's not a fluke. So it's got to play itself off.
But I'm not gonna I'm not going to be dismissive
of that, Mike at all. Uh, you're our thoughts on
I'm Pete Rose.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Pete Rose should definitely be an all of man.

Speaker 2 (01:11:08):
Or maybe even involved. It's kind of double faceted. Whether
or not they allow him an opportunity for a vote
to be in the Hall of Fame is one thing,
but at least maybe allow him back in baseball, Let
him speak to teams, let him make the rounds. Right,
you can't do it?

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Yeah, I mean I'm a huge baseball fan and like
Pete Rose was a big part of that, so I
I think he's a huge part of baseball and history
and everything. So yeah, he should definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Sure, all right, Mike appreciate you man, don't be a stranger.
Thank you. Bryce in Texas, You're up next. How are you?

Speaker 25 (01:11:44):
I'm doing well?

Speaker 8 (01:11:45):
Uh yeah, let Peter Rose.

Speaker 25 (01:11:47):
Back into baseball. If you're going to kick him out,
you got to kick Berry Bonds out and Mark Required
those guys out too. And to me, Star Wars is
a lot more clicking to baseball than gameling. So yeah,
you gotta let Peter Ros back.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
All right. So who are we going to be talking
about fifty years from now that's still suited up.

Speaker 25 (01:12:06):
I think it's a group of athletes. I think you
just missed the golden era of tennis. So the big
three adults that A and Djokovic and then Serena Willitons
like if you haven't been one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Yes, all good names, especially Serena Williams, especially Serena Williams,
you know, because she's American too, right, and and a
lot of you know, tennis used to be huge And
I've often wondered, Uh, Bryce, part of the reason I
think tennis is not mainstream anymore is because the best
players aren't American. Is that is that a fair assumption?

Speaker 25 (01:12:38):
Oh yeah, and uh there's no real like dirty rival
like John mcro used to be the bad guy.

Speaker 8 (01:12:45):
Who's the bad guy?

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
Connors McEnroe, Chris Everett, Martina and Avertilova. Right, you're excellent points,
all right, Bryce, good stuff, man. We do this every
Friday night. It had midnight Pacific coming up. We wrap
up the two topics on the midnight hour. We got
to get the crew as well, to get their thoughts. Listen,

(01:13:08):
you felt it last night, the reverence towards Willie Mays
when he passed on Wednesday, issued the statement he had
planned to attend that event, and look what happened. Bill Walton,
same deal, Jerry West, same deal. Who're going to be
talking about fifty years from now? And of course doesn't
serve any fruitful purposes anymore. To keep Pete Rose outside

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of baseball on the outside looking in. Have Bernie Fridda
our company live from the Las Vegas Fox Sports Radio
Diirect dot Com studios. Keep it locked. You're listening to
the Bernie Frattle Show on Fox Sports Radio. I we're
wrapping it up the midnight hour, the Bernie Frattle Show.
Of course, from where I sit. In the last forty
eight minutes, it has been the midnight hour here literally

(01:13:52):
in Las Vegas, where we did the show. Perhaps where
you live it's the minnight hour as well, but figuratively
for all the listener hits him in that hour. Really
good stuff tonight. I'm impressed with a lot of the
thoughts as I figured the Pete Rose things kind of
down the middle, some yes, some no, and as far
as fifty years from now, had some interesting, really good

(01:14:13):
names that maybe I hadn't thought of Patrick Mahomes as
going to be my guy. But look, Mike Tyson, Tiger Woods,
even lean O Messi right on down the line, some
really good ones. Kevin Figures. Let's start with you. You
saw the reverence for the Willie Mays this week. Proud
to that we talked about Bill Walton, certainly Jerry West
as you peruse the landscape, anybody playing today that we

(01:14:34):
are going to be talking about in fifty years with
the same type of reverence.

Speaker 13 (01:14:38):
Yeah, you know, somebody brought up Lebron James. I think
it was Manuel and Guardian and it's kind it's kind
of hard to argue. I know, he's very, very polarizing
as a figure, but you talk about the fact that
he's you know, broken records, won multiple championships, regarded as
one of the best players in league history, along with
you know, Michael Jordan. There's kind of a one in
one a or a great.

Speaker 5 (01:14:55):
Debate, you know.

Speaker 13 (01:14:56):
And someone said that he's not going to be remembered
because of all the dramas surrounding Yard, the fact that
he's not that great of a personality, or he's not genuine,
whatever you want to say about him.

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
You know, Kevin, not to cut you off what you
just did. I plead guilty. I said that because he'll
be remembered, he'll be acknowledged. I don't think there'll be
the reverence. I think Lebron wants there to be. I
don't think there will just an opinion. We're doing sports
talk radio here, not solving the world's problems. Continue on.
It means to cut you off.

Speaker 13 (01:15:21):
No, no, you're right, and from a reverence standpoint where
you universally loved. I think you're right, because he is
a polarizing figure from that standpoint, so he's not going
to be universally loved. I think he'll be respected. And
someone brought up Tom Brady. I think Tom Brady to
a certain graph. I also think the second part of
his career as a broadcaster. If he does as well
of a job as I think he's going to do,
I think a lot of people who are not necessarily

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in his camp are going to end up being fans
of his, and he's going to end up having a
legacy not only as a broadcaster, but obviously following up
his great playing career as well.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
Kevin hold that thought. I want to get to you
and the rest of the crew after the top of
the hour because it gets your thoughts on Peter Rose
as well. I want to wheeze in one more call here,
being it is the midnight hour. Rob in Michigan, joins us. Rob.
What part of Michigan you call him from?

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
Well, the straits like Mackinaw City if you're familiar with
the area.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Remember I lived there seventeen years, Bud. And by the way,
I've even been to the Grand Hotel in this somewhere
in time exhibit.

Speaker 4 (01:16:20):
All right, well you know the place.

Speaker 10 (01:16:23):
I'm Pete.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
You know, okay, I'm Pete Rose. I think he doesn't
have to do any kind of act of contrition.

Speaker 10 (01:16:32):
That's stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
It's like not acknowledging the fact that Nixon was ever president.
You know, he screwed up, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:47):
He did some pretty good at forgiving in America. This
kind of crossed the line with gambling and baseball in
the locker rooms. My thing, Rob, is that that doesn't
serve any fruitful purpose anymore. That's all I'm asking. Thirty
five years in limbit in progatory. Gambling is legal. Now
you got guys being banned. I think Pete could make
a contribution. That's my thought.

Speaker 4 (01:17:06):
Oh for certain, Yeah, yeah, anybody we're.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Gonna be talking about fifty years.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Hero Now, well, I still have to go with Tiger,
but I also would like to sneak John McEnroe in there,
just because I'll go with it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:20):
But he's not playing anymore. But you're not wrong. Maybe maybe,
but you can't be I could resist.

Speaker 4 (01:17:29):
The British guys thought that he was such an awful thing,
but he really held up for America.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
He did. Hey, listen, he was part of those great rivalries.
And listen, Rob, we do this. I'm short on time.
We do this every Friday night. It'd be three am
your time there in Mcanawsie, a beautiful part of the country.
I encourage anybody to go there. We do have one
more Frank in Orlando, Frank, before I get to you,

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acc tweets in that anybody mentioned Michael Phelps got about
a minute, Frank, go go ahead.

Speaker 26 (01:18:01):
Yeah I got too, if you don't mind, I got
Steph Curry.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Okay, that was mentioned basketball.

Speaker 7 (01:18:07):
And then you're saying Bolt.

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Is he still competing? You've seen Bolt he is.

Speaker 9 (01:18:14):
He's still He's still doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
It, you know what, because of his astronomical world records.
But you think it's somewhat stained by the fact of
the sterid testing.

Speaker 26 (01:18:25):
Yeah, maybe, uh.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
Okay, uh, Pete Rose, yes or no?

Speaker 26 (01:18:29):
You will let men, he's one of the best hitters
ever to play well. It was a hitting coaching coaching different,
but as a hitter, you ain't getting better than him.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
Yeah, And I mean the thing is, Charlie Hustle, What
what purpose does it serve anymore to keep him out
at this point since gambling is legal?

Speaker 8 (01:18:49):
Right, yep? Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
Thanks for joining us tonight, Frank. We do this every
Friday night. As always. I appreciate the callers. Man, We
don't have to agree. You've heard me say a thousand times.
The most boring conversations are when everybody agrees. And you know,
as I've also said a thousand times that in the
landscape of radio, in the shopping malle of life, sports

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is a toy department. We're not solving the world problems here.
We're not doing anything except exchanging thoughts and opinions, and
hopefully you back your thoughts up with relevant specifics and
accurate knowledge and personal information. And the calls are tremendous.
I mean, we had twenty one calls tonight and I
appreciate every one of them. And next Friday rolls around,
we'll have more salacious topics. I guess. I also want

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to bring the crew in. We can't complete the midnight
hour without Kevin finishing and Mark and Ian, so we're
going to do that coming up top of the art.
But I also want to give the Boston Celtics their flowers.
It was boring, but meaningful. I'll explain. Keep it locks.
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The way tire buying should be another raucous, rousing informative.
I thought Midnight Hour we talked certainly about the situation
with Pete Rose, and look in the last few weeks
Jerry West, we wave goodbye to Bill Walton, and now

(01:20:41):
Willie Mays, and Willie was going to attend the event
in Rickwood. These are guys who haven't played games in decades,
in some cases fifty years. Yet they're still iconic, They're
still transcended, they still arouse emotion. People have reverence for
these guys, the respect the highest team. It still resonates
decades later. Easier people you thought would live forever. Let's

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go back to Kevin figures. Kevin, you answered, and who
we thought might be talked about in the same reverence
fifty years from now. Let's get to the Pete Rose situation,
which was much more kind of down the middle. Some yes,
some know your thoughts.

Speaker 13 (01:21:17):
You know what's interesting, You know, in light of the
fact that gambling has become legalized. You know, over the
last couple of years in many places in the US,
and also consider how many scandals there have been in
recent years since it has been legalized. You know, it's unfortunate
for Pe Rose, but I've kind of, i think, changed
my tune on this. You almost have to, you know,
stick to it if you're major League Baseball and say like, no,
we can't allow you to make it to the Hall

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of Fame and get back into Major League Baseball, because
if we let you in and allow this exception, who's
to say if another scandal happens, if we wait another
fifty sixty years and allow somebody else to get in.
If we're going to really take a serious stance against
players gambling and the sports that they're participating in, I
think you have to take a hard line stance and say,
even if you're one of the great players in the
history of the sport, the fact that you broke one

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of the cardinal sins, we can't relent.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
We got to be able to keep you out.

Speaker 13 (01:22:03):
And if we can keep pe Rolls out, we can
keep anybody else out of any other sort of Hall
of Fame or any other involvement with another major sport.
So I think because gambling has been legalized, you almost
have to reverse course if you are in favor of
it and say no, well, yeah, we have to stick
to it and keep him out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
I think that's a very fair and a very coaching point,
especially the part about just because gambling is legal doesn't
mean we can open the doors for players, and you
can't unring the bell right and Pete, I think had
opportunities back in nineteen eighty nine, I can tell you
from my knowledge of the situation. Although Pete did have

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a come up in two thousand and four. He wrote
a book and he's tried a lot, but no one's
really going to forget anytime soon. I think the way
that he sort of blew off a bar Giamatti, then
Bart Giamatti died suddenly in Labor Day at a very
young age in nineteen eighty nine. It was there to

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take over, and they were friends, and I think there
was I really believe there was a deathbed wish no,
don't let this guy in that was carried on, I
believe from Faye Vincent onto Bud Ceiling and certainly under
Rob Manfred and those guys are all sort of joined
at the hip. So bring up a couple of good points, Kevin.
That's that's a tough one to defeat, and that kind
of answers the fruitful purpose. It might serve that that's

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a lesson for anybody that if you can, if the
Hitking can be denied, you can too. And we've already
had two players a band for life. Well one in basketball,
of course, but the other major League baseball. All right,
let's get to ian Ian first. Look, we've had three
monumental passings of athletes, two in basketball. And then when

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Willie Mays uh looking ahead, anybody playing now will have
the same kind of rev type of reverence fifty years
from now.

Speaker 8 (01:23:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:23:54):
I've been compiling a little bit of a list here
throughout the midnight hour and cross crossing off name as
listeners have have said that one name that that was
brought up that I will repeat is Steph Curry as
a Warriors fan, I like, I completely concur with with
the caller who brought his name forward, the way that
he's changed the game of basketball. The three pointer is

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bigger than it's ever been, and kids growing up playing basketball,
all they want to do is just pull up three
point shots. And however you may feel about that good
or bad. It's it's the fact of the matter is
that it's true. And and that's because of Steph Curry
and he changed. So yeah, definitely Steph Curry. I think
he'll be remembered along with his four championships. You know,

(01:24:37):
we'll see if he gets any more. But someone else
that hasn't been brought up is Aaron Donald. I I
I think he is in all time NFL player and
and I I think.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Anyone transcended part though well transcended part the.

Speaker 18 (01:24:54):
Fact that he did what he did and got the
production and dominance that he did from the interior of
the defensive line. Like it's pretty unprecedented.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
One about pull that thought you're gonna you, we're gonna
keep going Ian But I almost made this aimn that
our topic when he retired. He retired, like back in
around June first. Yeah, but if we're gonna talk about him,
how we not talking about Reggie White or Lawrence Taylor
or Ronnie Lott or Ray Lewis.

Speaker 18 (01:25:21):
So but I would argue that we do.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
Well, do we?

Speaker 17 (01:25:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 18 (01:25:25):
No, one go ahead, Well, no, they haven't passed away thankfully. Yeah,
not knock on Wood obviously, But but I isn't the
whole topic that like went once they've passed away an athlete,
that we're going to roll.

Speaker 2 (01:25:36):
Okay, fair enough, you got me on that one. But
as much as I love those guys Reggie White, who
Dick shapp told me the best story about him, my
God when they hung out one day, Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie
Lott three, I don't know if we'll be talking about
those guys fifty years from now with the same reverence.
William May has made people cry. Same with Walt, same
with West. They're different people, They're just different.

Speaker 18 (01:25:56):
Go ahead, continue, No, that that is a good point.
Another NFL player that I that I wanted to bring
up his Travis Kelcey, just like I don't know if
it's the same type of remembrance as like Willie Mays
and these guys, but it's it's the fact that like
he's currently dating the most popular woman in the world
right now, he's he's a complete phenomenon and and he's

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putting so many new eyes on the NFL. It's it's
it's crazy, and it's completely unprecedented. We'll see maybe a
year from now it's completely died down. But you know,
with the recent.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
If they if they three p Saturday night, go.

Speaker 18 (01:26:32):
Ahead, Yeah, and then another one Jake Paul just again
not remembered in the same way, but he's so polarizing
and is bringing so many new eyes to the sport
of boxing. I really feel like there's the potential for
him to really go down in history and be remembered.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
He's a bit of a cult following. All right, good,
put some good thought onto that Ian Mark Ramsey, here
it comes. I'm waiting for the historical reference mark that
you has become your trademark. Let's start though with Pete Rose.
Would you let him in? Yes or no?

Speaker 27 (01:27:06):
When it comes to Pete Rose, k Fig had the
same mindset that I'm thinking about. If we waited out,
then let somebody in. No, you broke the rule, it's
betting you stay out. It's like for baseball players, genuinely speaking,
the Hall of Fame is like there heaven and you

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broke a rule, and now you can't go to heaven.
I know there are guys that are in the Hall
of Fame that have done certain things, but as the
rules was with that particular commissioner, Pete Rose broke a
rule and now he cannot go in, and we're not
gonna allow him to wait it out. We're not going
to allow anybody to be able to wait out their

(01:27:47):
sentence and be able to sneak in just because of
this emotional attachment, because of what he did on the field. No,
you broke the rule. No, you cannot get in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
Okay, I accept that, Mark, I'm not I'm not even
going to quibble with that. But let's talk about the
other part. He's banned from baseball. He could never work
for a team. He can't be around the game. Would
you perhaps bring down that barrier, allow him to speak
at rookie symposiums, allow him to speak at team meetings
as to the ills of betting.

Speaker 27 (01:28:18):
Yes, he could do that, because.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
He's banned from that. Right now, he won't even do that.

Speaker 27 (01:28:22):
Well, if he's banned from that, maybe he should maybe
find something in his heart. Maybe it's not there that
he could attempt to give back to baseball because he's
been cut off. He hasn't made that attempt. He's spent
a long time lying about it and writing in books
about it, but he never, in a sense, never came clean.

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And then what it was found out, he denied it
and denied it, and that made the commissioners and people
mad about it. So yes, since he hasn't been able
to come clean in a sense and own up to
whatever he did, and he hasn't made any step to
come towards Baseball and do something nice, basically forget him. No,

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you can't do anything because he hasn't even based on
what you're just saying, he hasn't made the attempt on
his own to do things for Baseball.

Speaker 2 (01:29:15):
There in lies the grudge aspect of this whole ordeal,
and it very much exists because Pete truly had an opportunity.

Speaker 27 (01:29:23):
He had not any chances. He wrote books about things,
but he never in a sense owned up to it
and came clean and said yes I did it, Yes
I've been banned, or and then what you're talking about now,
he hasn't made any steps to come towards baseball to
be Baseball is a nice guy, Baseball's ambassador.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
He has made some steps, it hasn't gotten the broad
based platform I think he would like.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
But to your point, he's Pete Rose.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
He could do just about anything.

Speaker 27 (01:29:53):
He can walk up to Baseball and say, hey, I
want to do something. Well, are they going to turn
that down.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yeah, they much.

Speaker 27 (01:30:01):
They show people how to hit a ball, but he
hasn't gone towards baseball. They try to teach people.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
To Rob Manfred won't even take his call. I mean,
it's it's pretty it's pretty dramatic. But to your listen,
the one theme here that you guys have brought forward
that's undeniable is he made his own bed. Yep, he
made his own bed. And this is a serious business.
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NBA Finals are in the books. Boston's got their nineteenth championship.

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It's their nineteenth. Might it be their sweetest? Well, why
would I say that? I'll explain. And also, yeah, it
was kind of boring, but it was a little bit
more meaningful than you think. I got some receipts. I'm
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The NBA Finals were a bit of a blur. I
never once believe there would be a series just because
Dallas won Game four. The Boston Celtics were the best team,
and they proved it, and they were on a bit
of a mission, and they won in convincing fashion. It
was not entertaining. There was no high drama basketball. Frankly,

(01:32:11):
it was a big letdown. It was a bore. I'm
sure the TV ratings are going to reflect that, but
that doesn't change the fact that Boston deserves their flowers.
It's their nineteenth championship, which is the most all time
for any NBA franchise. They were tied with the Lakers
at eighteen Boston Now polls they had in the lead.

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They had once sin so eight and before that they
had one since what eighty six, so basically before last week,
won championship in thirty eight years. On the surface, it
was a boring result. Boston entered the season as a
title favorite, then they won the most games in the
regular season, and then they win the rings. Good night, goodbye,

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nothing else to see here, move along, right, However, this
was meaningful to the folks who cheer on the Celtics,
and you got to give them their props. You say,
how well, I'll give you a few reasons why I
say that. One, there should be some lasting effects for

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people who have created narratives around this team, all right.
For instance, you can't dog the pairing of Jason Tatum
and Jalen Brown anymore. You can't say that pairing doesn't work.
They made the NBA finals two years ago, but they
were still whispers. They weren't getting their love. They weren't,
you know, they weren't. Now Jalen Brown, who had been

(01:33:41):
kind of sort of the odd man out in those conversations,
not only when's this first finals to finals MVP Okay?
That puts you in pretty rarefy there. And in this
age of player movement and free agency and player empowerment,
where you walk? I mean, look at Kyrie Okay talked

(01:34:02):
this way out of about four places. But in this
age of player movement, the Celtics they stuck with their
homegrown talent. That's meaningful. These are two guys they both
drafted them as the number three overall pick back in
twenty sixteen and twenty seventeen. They stuck with it and

(01:34:24):
it worked. It worked. That I think is meaningful, especially
in this day and age of transient players. Give it
up to Joe Missoula. I you know, after what happened
with the prior coach and that was not a good look.
And you know, the Celtics had just been to the
NBA Finals. A young guy that barely anybody had ever

(01:34:47):
heard of, steps in. He takes over as the interim
head coach just a couple of days after the twenty
twenty three season began. The twenty two to twenty three
season began after the team suspended Emiadka. He'd been fired
yet Adoka, who led the Celtics to that twenty twenty
two Finals appearance, and in two seasons now oh nothing,

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Joe Missoula has won one hundred and twenty one regular
season games. It's averaging sixty a season. Pretty good with
the man there, huh? All right? In his first season
after removing the interim tag, Joe Missoula wins the title.
Now coming up at the bottom of the hour, I'm
gonna give Joe Mizzoula his flowers because I give it up.
I think this is also meaningful. The Celtics made a

(01:35:35):
choice to stick by Joe Missoula last year, and I
think there are very I think there are very prevalent
leadership lessons to be learned from this by not only
the Celtics stuck with Missoula, but how Joe Missoula really
managed that squad. I was really impressed as the season

(01:35:57):
went on. Remember you've already forgotten in Game three three
of twenty twenty threes NBA Eastern Conference Finals. The Miami
Heat ran a seemingly, you know, Boston looked like a moribund,
lifeless team. They ran him completely off the court, won
twenty eight one oh two. And they, believe me, the
cat calls for Joe Missoula and saying they should fire him.

(01:36:17):
It became it became pouring. They were pouring in. Okay,
Joe Missoula got revenge and I'll well, maybe not revenge,
but he got his He got his comeuppets, and I'll
share with that in a minute. So get you know,
Joe Missoula was not only successful, he was successful under duress.

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You've already forgotten. He took over that team, the Celtics
in a very odd ball, unique situation with Emi Udoka,
all kinds of pressure, big time pressure cooker, especially there
in Boston, and he wins basically, you know, one hundred
and twenty one games in two years, and now he's
won a title. And last year he was kind of
the interim tag. This year, for the first full year,

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no interim tag wins the title and it's Boston they
were expected to. I mean, really, there's almost more relief
than happiness. But you know where I'm going with that.
I know there will also be people saying, well, Boston
didn't really have to face a worthy opponent in the
NBA playoffs, But if you just look at the numbers

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and if you look at the accomplishments and the records,
they have to go down, at least in a paper
because of what they did as one of the best
teams in NBA history. It doesn't feel that way. I mean,
they don't look anywhere nearly as entertaining as the nineteen
eighty six Celtics did. That team, the way they passed

(01:37:43):
the ball, their flair, their panache, the way they ran
rough shot through the league. That team had five Hall
of Famers, arguably maybe never a better team in history.
But the Celtics, now, this current team and the NBA
is different. Now, it's a water down version, you know that.
I mean, it's three point er and one on one basketball.
But the Celtics look played by the same rules as

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everybody else. And there have been only thirteen other teams
in NBA history that wont to combined eighty games in
a single season. Boston the Celtics, including the sixteen games
they won on the playoffs, won eighty basketball games this year.
It's only be done thirteen times in history. Here's the kicker.

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Not all of those thirteen teams finished with titles, including
Golden State. They didn't finish with the title the year
they won eighty games. What makes this also meaningful again
is I just said a minute ago. Boston, which not
only now holds the most championships in NBA history, they're

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a very storied franchise. They only hit eighty wins two
other times in their entire franchise, with all the Hall
of famers they had. You know, Boston not only won
the championship, they pretty much as I got. Kevin Figures
would say, Molly whopped everybody in their path. Don't believe me.
Go back and look at the scores. That gets you banners,
that gets you respect. It's meaningful. It's meaningful to those folks.

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Maybe not to you and me. Maybe it was boring
to watch, but when you add it all up. Jason Tatum,
Jalen Brown, Joe Missoula, the stressful situation he took over Boston.
Eighty games. They're expected to win. You heard the cat calls,
had people tweeting them me, They're not going to be
Dallas around a heater. I'll be careful with that one.
I didn't know that I necessarily trusted the Celtics, but
you know what, be careful with that one. I think

(01:39:33):
the Celtics proved you can certainly trust them. We'll see
what they do next year. I don't want to hear
about dynasty and all that kind of stuff. Game five
kind of boring, one oh six eighty eight win. I
said last week. I said, look, we don't have a series.
Stop it just because Dallas won Game four. If they
go to Boston, if he go to Boston and win,

(01:39:54):
and if they go back to Dallas to win, we'll
talk about a Game seven hydrama basketball. But we're nowhere
near that. I said it last Friday night the same chair.
I said, you got a better chance of Gilligan's Island
re recording. You get a better chance of Led Zeppelin
re recording the Gilligan's Island theme song and sell them
maning copies. Didn't happen. Boston took care of business. I

(01:40:15):
said that they would, you know, they would handle Dallas,
you know they would. They'd ride him like a stick horse.
And they did. Tatum thirty one points Jalen Brown had
twenty one. And what was really noteworthy that Boston defense.
Oh my goodness. Yeah, they may have allowed twenty eight
points to do Luca, but they shut out the rest
of the team. Kyrie Irving obviously his trips to Boston,

(01:40:38):
they were in his head, man, they were in his head.
He had just fifteen points. So give it up to
the Celtics defense. Their commitment to defense was superb. In
the end, Boston was just simply the better team they were.
And I want to make sure I emphasized this point. Yes,
the quote unquote dynamic duo, how much creativity did people

(01:41:01):
come up with that? We're not talking Batman and Robin Well,
We're talking Jason Tatum and Jaylen Brown. Yes, they were huge,
they were kind of the heart and soul, but they
weren't the only guys on the team. Okay, stars might
win you one game, but a team might win them all.
How about Al Horford. Al Horford, a very respected elder

(01:41:22):
statesman in the National Basketball Association gets his first ring
in seventeen NBA seasons. How about Drew Holiday. Give it
up to Drew Holiday, a two time NBA champion, He
won his second one after Milwaukee decided they needed Damian
Lillard more than him. Who gets the last laugh, Drew Holliday.
You tell me if that's not meaningful. How about Derek

(01:41:44):
White not only chipped into wins, he chipped the tooth
It was worth it. Maybe he's a hockey player. How
about Peyton Pritchard, kind of a fan favorite, gets a
halftime buzzer. People are going to remember that one forever
because it was part of a championship closing thoughts. In
the end, Boston shook off that bad Game four lost

(01:42:07):
in Dallas. They took the series on their home floor
one by eighteen. They put a bowl on a tremendous season,
sixty four and eighteen in the regular season, sixty to
three in the playoffs. It's still the playoffs. The resounding
lesson of Boston's championship, I believe is this, and I
will tell you coming up. But first let's go back

(01:42:28):
to our guy, Kevin Figures with the latest.

Speaker 1 (01:42:31):
All right vernion.

Speaker 13 (01:42:32):
For the first time since nineteen forty five, a team
has forced a Game seven in the Stanley Cup Finals.
After falling behind three games to none, the Oilers got
out to a three to nothing lead in the second
period and never looked back. They pick up a five
to one victory over the Panthers. Game seven will be
Monday night in Florida, as the Panthers look to avoid
being the first team in over eighty years to lose
the Stanley Cup Finals after getting out to a three

(01:42:54):
to nothing series lead. In Major League Baseball, the Dodgers
blew a two nothing lead to the Angels, who picked
up a three to two victory extra innings. Shay Langueleer's
with the go ahead home run in the eighth inning,
leading Oakland over Minnesota six to five. It was a
Padres nine and the Brewers five five hits there for
Jay Croninworth. Houston had a fourteen to three lead through
six innings and had to hold on for a fourteen

(01:43:14):
to eleven victory over Baltimore. Atlanta got home runs from
Austin Riley, Ozzy Albi's and Matt Olsen in an eight
to one victory over Corlos. Verdon and the Yankees were
don lasting just three innings and allowed all eight runs.
Victories for Detroit, Arizona and Cleveland, who scored all seven
of their runs in the second inning as they defeated
Toronto seven to one, and the WNBA Indiana won its

(01:43:34):
fourth straight as they defeated Atlanta ninety one to seventy nine.
Caitlin Clarke with sixteen points and seven assists. Back to
Bernie Frido.

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
Okay, thanks, Kevin, appreciate it, Bud. All Right, what is
what do I believe is the biggest lesson from the
Celtics championship? I think the NBA now is officially beyond
past the super team era. Right. Why do I say that? Well,
the NBA has now seen six straight champions six straight seasons. Okay,

(01:44:10):
the last four title winners, the twenty one Bucks, the
twenty two Goal State Warriors, the twenty three Ducats and
twenty four Celtics, they were all built with their homegrowing stars.
Think about it. They didn't try to stack a superteam.
We're talking Giannis, We're talking Steph, We're talking Jokic, We're
talking Tatum and and Brown. Now, Boston, I realize is

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no stranger to the superteam phenomenon. They twenty eighteen came
after they got Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen. That's at
the stage for a full decade. And when you had
you saw Lebron James jump teams three times. You saw
Kevin Durant leave the Oklahoma City Thunder for the Warriors. Meanwhile,
as I said, you go back seven years, eight years,

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the Celtics drafted and developed two superstars, Jason Tatum and
Jalen Brown. Now we also saw some breakout years from
for teams that had the homegrown stars like the Timberwolves
and Thunder, and in course you had the Lakers and
Clippers and Phoenix. They were built to compete in the
short term, but they fell short of expectations. So listen,

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the NBA is a star driven league. You're gonna see
teams pursue deals with stars, and stars want to go
to high profile franchises. But if we go back just
the last five six years, I think what the Celtics
did is put a caper on the fact that if
you got great players paired with the elite front office,
stay home, continue to build your brand, and you're gonna win.

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I think one of the most meaningful things of the
Celtics championship is the fact they prove that's true. Now,
I want to give Joe Missoula's flowers, Okay, because I
mentioned he took over the team in a rough situation.
I believe the Boston Globe reported after they lost that
game to Miami two years ago last year one twenty eight,
one oh two, I believe the Boston blow reported that quote,

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the Celtics need to move on from Joe Miszoula, and
they had a lot of support. A lot of people
felt that way. But one year and three weeks later
after that Miami loss, Boston beat Dallas one O six's
eighty eight to win their NBA title. All right, now,
I think you gotta give Brad Steve's a lot of
credit to because he chose to stick by Joe Missoula.
He got a ton of criticism, he got a ton

(01:46:28):
of blowback last season, and uh, I think it leads
to three very important leadership lessons. And we need more
leadership in sports, and I think we have it in
that Celtics franchise. One, Sometimes you got to be patient. Yeah,
that sounds like a real platitude. But if you've got personnel,
if you've got people that can do the job rather

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than break it down a retool every few years. Uh,
you know, the tortoise and the hair. It's not just
in business. It's in sports. Everybody craves instant success. Everybody
wants to be ahead of the competition. Everybody wants to
cut corners if they're able to, or jump the line
if they're able to. But when you are hasty to

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obtain the desired results, I think you cheat the grind
and you overlook what really builds championships when you are
able to overcome that struggle. And in life, it's not
what happens, it's how you react. Life's ten percent of
what happens. In ninety percent of how you react, it
becomes a very meaningful pursuit. And when you saw the

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Celtics pulling on the same end of the rope with
the entire franchise for two full years, you know in
the end they got their just do it's actually by rights.
I think it's poetic justice at the Boston Celtics, by
the way they've managed that franchise got their championship. I
think it's very crucial when you go through periods of frustration,

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you capitulate the impulse. What the Lakers do? You know?
I don't. I'll be fascinated to see if the JJ
Redick thing works. But let's not talk about that right now.
We're gonna talk about that more Saturday night. You go
to impulse, you go to public opinion. But if you
just step back, and I know this sounds easier to
do than it is, you take a more broad based,

(01:48:20):
you know, global perspective. You take a strategic assessment of
where you are as an organization, and you say to yourself,
we give up on this person today. It may be
too soon. We've come this far. Let's stay invested. It
may be a pivotal point in terms of your future success.
Clearly that was the case with both Jalen Brown and

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Jason Tatum. Give it up and it's stuck with Joe Miszula.
So patience, patience with your personnel. I think another leadership
lesson is every great leader at some point has a
very down moment. They're gonna look lesser than at some
point point. It's inevitable. You know, many many years ago,

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I don't know this had ever happened. Now you got
to go clear back to nineteen eighty one or eighty two.
Mike Kryzewski was nine games under five hundred his first
three seasons at Duke thirty eight and forty seven. They'd
have thrown him in the trash in this day and age,
and this day and age of you know Michael Wave,
ovens and cell phones and instant gratification. Nick Saban in
his first four years of Michigan State just two games

(01:49:25):
over five hundred. You focus on successful coaches and leaders,
but you never really go back and look at the
struggle and the process. Everything is a process orient endeavor.
John wouldn't do it. Nick Saban knows it. Augie gurrido't
know it. In Bay all the great coaches understand. You
don't focus on the scoreboard. The scoreboard is a byproduct

(01:49:47):
of the process. Any coach and any business leader whoever
accomplished anything meaningful has blemishes, and they have speed bumps,
and they have setbacks and rejection and temporary failure, never
final though. It's not what happens, it's how you react.
But the truth of the matter is what's relevance, what's
excuse me? What's relevant the fact that when these leaders stumble,

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do they have the fortitude and the emotional intelligence to
recover from it? And do their bosses recognize that? So
number one, patience Number two, every leader is going to
look bad at some point Joe Missoula sure did. Last
year they were calling for his job finally, believe it
or not. Not only do players improve if they're allowed

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and you have a foster and environment that encourages development,
but coaches improve, management improves. Joe Missoula took over two
years ago under incredibly extenuating circumstances. You suspend coach Emy
and Dooka, who had just been to the Finals a
year before, days before the start of training camp, right

(01:50:52):
before the start on real timing, youngest head coach in
the NBA, very little experience. So you talk about player development,
you talk about growing your assets, your players and your employees.
Rarely do you talk about growing your coaches, growing your leaders.
They can get better with reps as well, they can

(01:51:15):
get better with time as well. The truth of the
matter is, if you saw fit to hire this person,
try to create the environment where who they are tomorrow
is better than who they are today. Boston did that,
Brad Stevens did that with Joe Miszula, even though he
had a serious down moment, and we know it. I

(01:51:36):
think probably the most meaningful thing, and the reason I
said this earlier in the show, is there were just
a few seconds left on the clock Monday night, Joe
Missoula and Jason Tatum had an embrace probably lost on
a lot of people. It's not exactly like the Jimmy
Valvano running around looking for his dad back in nineteen
eighty three when they beat Fas s Lama. Jama wasn't

(01:51:58):
like that. But they shared a very powerful hog on
the sideline, and there were almost twenty thousand people in
Boston that were cheering it. They knew, they got it,
they understood all right. That was only made possible because
cooler had prevailed the other noise. Brad Stevens tuned out certainly.

(01:52:19):
Joe Miszula, I believe turned it out pretty good, dude.
He's really won me over. And I don't know if
Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown tuned it out. They opened
their mouth a few times, but when it mattered on
the floor, they turned it out, tuned it out. So
when you recognize the fact that the vast majority of
people a year ago wanted Joe Missoula fired, you have

(01:52:40):
to also acknounce the fact that he was very capable.
He helped, He was a key cock in getting that championship.
Even though at some point it was in as fine
as moment, but they were patient with Joe Missoula, and
Joe Miszula was patient with his personnel. Coming up, we
wrap up the show, and I don't know, man, maybe

(01:53:03):
the Dodgers have some magic dusts when you consider what
they did in Colorado the other night. I will share
that coming up and we'll preview Saturday show. I'm Bernie Frattle.
We are Company live from the Las Vegas Fox Sports
Radio tiract dot com studios. Keep it locked, you're listening
to the Bernie Fraddle Show, a Fox Sports Radio. All right,
we are wrapping it up on the Bernie Fraddle Show,
Company live from the Tirack dot Com studios here in

(01:53:26):
Las Vegas. Before I go any further, I want to
thank my broadcast team back in Los Angeles. They've been
with me since eleven PM Pacific tonight. Of course, Mark
Ramsey are technical producer, turning all the dials, keeping us
glued together. Kevin Figures on all the updates, and Ian Roddy,

(01:53:46):
our executive producer, did a great job maiming the phones.
Another rock as midnight hour. We took twenty one calls
tonight on the Pete Rose situation as well as well.
You know, we just we just waved goodbye to three
epic legend Willie Mays, Bill Walton, Jerry West. They haven't
played a game in thirty eight years, fifty years, and

(01:54:08):
fifty one years, respectively, but they're transcendent, they're iconic. They
arose emotion. The reverence is there, the respect is there.
The highest team still resonates. Who in today's sports climate
that is still active might engender that same type of
reverence fifty years from now. I don't know. We had

(01:54:28):
some good names, some good stuff. It was an excellent
segment and you can hear the podcast to you. I'll
have that here posted probably within an hour or two.
All Right, this is an interesting sports here, and I'm
starting to wonder even though Mookie Betts got hurt and
I don't think you see him back for eight weeks,
and I'm starting to wonder if the Dodgers might have

(01:54:52):
some magic dust. The other night they beat the Rockies,
they were down nine to four in the ninth inning.
They end up winning eleven to nine in regulation. The
last time the Dodgers were down by five runs in
the ninth inning and won the game without going into
extra innings was July twelfth, nineteen twenty nine. That's a

(01:55:16):
that's a minute or so ago. Okay, it was against
the Cardinals. Now, that's ninety four years and eleven months ago,
down by five in the ninth inning and still managed
to win without going extras. Well, since nineteen oh three,
how many times has a team been down by five
and the ninth inning? Eight hundred and twenty two times,

(01:55:41):
all but thirty one ineded losteven ninety one in and loss.
So out of eight hundred and twenty two games, thirty
one were comeback wins. Now it's thirty two? All right?
Where am I going with this? Why do the Dodgers
have magic? Thus? Well, it took some things to happen

(01:56:03):
to set the damn thing up. There was a very
controversial call. Taoscar Hernandez was at the plate. If you're
scoring at home the umpire behind home plate, I don't
know how robots are going to get this fixed. Lance
Barksdale says that on what appeared to be a strike

(01:56:24):
and the game was over, Taos Scargarnanez checked his swing
that led to World War seven breaking out Bud Bud
Black the manager for the Rockies, gets run and the
next thing, of course, it never fails, right the next pitch,
Taal hits a dinger, and you know, I don't think

(01:56:44):
the pitcher, Jake Cave, was too happy. And if you
go back and so the games, you know, the Dodgers
went eleven nine. Okay, now was at There are no
amount of history onics I can I can try to
build this up, So I'm just going to deal with
it on the facts. They come back down five, they win.
If you look, if you if you look at the replay,

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which is not hard to find on the internet. I
don't know anybody. I have talked to my own you know,
I trust my eyes. They tell me a lot. It
looks like Hernanda swung. It looks like that should have
been called a swinging throw. It strike Bud blacksher thought so.
But the game's played and umpired by humans. So there
you have it. That allowed the Dodgers to continue to

(01:57:29):
lead the National League West, which they keep winning. The
Rockies are a bottom three team in baseball. And you
know Tascar Hernandez, he's only hitting two fifty five, but
he's got a lot of meaningful home runs. Eighteen home
runs fifty four dingers, and it's been a nice comeback
year for TASCAR because they got them from Seattle. You

(01:57:50):
got Mookie Bets out. The Dodgers need big contributions from
the rest of the lineup. That's been their thing all year.
Ryan Berschinger comes on our show and we believe they'll
make a deal by it, but by the LSTA our
break or by the trade deadline. So look, do the
Dodgers have magic dust? Well, time will tell, and they've
been to the playoffs over here. They're a fixture. It
doesn't mean they're gonna win it. So there you have it.

(01:58:10):
We'll have to continue to watch it. But they share
had magic dusts the other night against Colorado. I will
be back on these airwaves at eleven pm Pacific time
for the Saturday night edition of The Bernie Fratterle Show.
Aaron Torris is going to join us. He had a
very interesting encounter with JJ Reddick that might show the
sight of JJ Redick. Some of you may think you know,
but it's worth mentioning because he's about to step into

(01:58:34):
a white hot spotlight and you might could have, you know,
a glimpse of Holly reacts. We also got the Brownie,
James Lebron situation, lots of NFL updates, Justin Field's will,
maybe a salary cat for quarterbacks, the Chiefs of course,
brand new fool and what my Name and all kinds
of hijinks. So back on these airwaves at eleven pm

(01:58:54):
Pacific time on Saturday night. We will see it in.
That's going to do it for the Bernie Fratter Show,
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