The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz talk Football Being Back, NFL Top 100 List & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Well, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning,
good morningy buddy.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Where the fellas Jason fitz Kevin figures.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
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(00:39):
week and the whole thing. It's August and we had
a game, and it's always about football, FITZI, how about it.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
I am we have I'm disappointed in you, brother, I like,
I really thought that I was gonna get full like
American Dad intro. I thought maybe that you were gonna
come in with a song. I didn't know, maybe some
tap dancing, definitely some screaming. I'm telling you. The minute
the Hall of Fame game kicked off, the first thing
I thought, is man Cousin's so happy right now.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I was sitting here.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm sitting there just happy.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Happy, exactly where I was the other night on Thursday night,
I was ear to ear.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
It was funny.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was telling yesterday during my show, my local show,
I'm talking about watching the game, and they're going, what
do you mean?

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You actually said? What do I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
I said, I had buck, I had ap been, I
had can't Ohio, I had I had real football. And
I'm saying, man, it was even crisp, like the first
half was you know, for the first game, it was
actually good football.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
Man, it was.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
It felt so good, and they're going, what the hell's
wrong with you? Hey? Right away?

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You know, everybody's got a mock because it's the preseason,
oh preseasonable.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
It was back and it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
It was great, just a great telecast talking about the
whole fame. You know, we got to see Devin Hester,
you got to see Julius Pepper's, you got the new kickoffs.
I mean, I don't know. I thought it was I
thought it was it was a blessed I was. I
was upset that these storms came and the game got canceled.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, abruptly.

Speaker 4 (02:30):
Anybody that tells you preseason football stakes has either been
in this business too long or has been jaded by
this business, Like like the commentary that happens on it,
because let's be honest, like, so here I am, I'm
paying a little picture for you, my friend. Thursday night,
I was sat in a Collective Soul at Exfinity Amphitheater
and Hartford played a song. Yeah yeah, like it was

(02:50):
so I was at backstage and so it was Collective
Soul Edwin McCain and Hoody in the Blowfish right full
nineties to her. And when that game started, every single
dressing room in the back everybody was sitting there watching it.
And the funny thing is, as people were watching it,
I heard people say, oh, man, preseason football sucks, but
they're all sitting there watching it. And I think we
just have to remember when you when you get into

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like the second half of a preseason game and somebody
inevitably is like, what degenerator is watching this? The very
people that have spent like you and I the last
several months screaming I just missed football? Like that's what?
Like I mean, we don't sit here as I sit
right now in my little studio with the TV on
and I could see cycling happened live live, nobody's saying, well,
what degenerate is watching cycling? But that's the narrative we

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put around preseason football. Preseason football is magical. It's time
of hope, it's time to like you can feel the
spirit means that we're almost through the hell known as
summer and we're almost to the heaven known as fall. Like,
it signifies so many good things. It's just magical, man Like,
it gives me all the feels. If I had hair
on my arms, they would stand up.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I'm just saying, see, this is why I love you.
But you know, I have to say, you know, we
we have hit it off, you know, just like swim
like smashingly right like you know before the show, we
knew of each other. And you know, I was a

(04:11):
fan of a fall from Afar but you never know,
and like right of webs, like, honest, I love this
fitsy man. And part of it is is that you
appreciate suff like what you love, right like we happen
to love the same thing, but you could appreciate it.
And that let soliloically was so perfect. You're so spot

(04:35):
on because it goes beyond let's be real, I've being
one hundred percent serious here having football back. It's it
wasn't about the game itself obviously, Like I love watching
the game only because I missed it, right, I missed
seeing it, so I enjoy it. Didn't matter who was

(04:57):
on the field, didn't matter that there was no Caleb Williams, right,
it just mattered that they were playing on the field.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
You get to just.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
See it because you miss that piece of it. But
then it is the whole thing. Like you said, it
is about hope, it's about you know, Hey, what's my
team gonna look like?

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Heading into camp?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
And we're in camp, first preseason game for the other
teams coming in next week, and there's bucket Ak been
talking about the league, talking about the new kickoffs, and
it was back and that's where I go. I don't
understand people, because we all love it and it's better
than it's not having it at all. And what it

(05:36):
does it signifies the real thing is really close and
also not for nothing.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Look, maybe I'm being too deep, but there are very
few times in life that you can watch football without consequence.
So you can watch your favorite team, you can get
the rush of feeling your favorite team, but you also
know win or lose doesn't really matter, so you can
just sit back like I you know, football season. I
talk about how I love a beer game where you
can put your feet up and you're having a beer
because it's just, yes, you know your team's gonna win.

(06:06):
There is something about preseason where it's like, look, I'm
gonna sit there and watch the Raiders preseason game and
guess what if it goes terribly, the next day is
not going to be ruined for me. It's just I
just get to watch the Raiders play and it's fun.
And that's there is some magic to that, because once
you get into the regular season, all of it just
to all of us as fans, means so much that
becomes so difficult to just sit back and enjoy. I

(06:28):
do think that there's an innocence and enjoyment that comes
with preseason football for super fans of a team.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
Hell yeah, hell yeah, because and it's also the beginning
of like you're watching without angst, as you said, and
you are. It's about hope, like you're just because you're
just watching a couple of plays, like invariably you can

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look and because no starters play in the preseason anymore,
you're looking for backups, right, so you know it's not
even in years past you would look at starters. Sometimes
you go, you know, oh, you know whatever, and then
and then you're just looking for a play, a play here,
a play there. Oh, I don't know, maybe he could

(07:15):
come in and play nickall or maybe he come in
and start a linebacker. We need him to play at linebacker.
There's there's just a million things that way. I just
I love, uh what yah, I love I love your
description of it because it does it just provides you know,

(07:36):
angst freak and and it just you know, you can
look at it through the prism of hope.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Yeah, and that's part of such a huge part of
what we all want to feel right now. It's like
this is this is like a first date and you know, yeah,
there are times that it goes really wrong, but it's
what you don't know if she like, you don't know
she's crazy yet. So you're just like, I'm just gonna
sit back and enjoy this thing. This is I'm just
having a good time. You know, I think there is
some there's some value to it because I'll say the

(08:03):
same thing when we get into college football season and
it's you know, less than a month away at this point, right,
so when we when we all just start. And when
we're obsessing in week two about how are they already
giving us cupcake matchups? I just want us to remember
what we would have given in the middle of June
to watch McNee State take on Alabama.

Speaker 6 (08:22):
It really matter.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Yeah, I agree, I love it.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
You just gotta love it.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, your spot on Figgie, Please tell me you had
to say reaction.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
You know I didn't come on now.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Long enough. I knew.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I knew that I was hoping that you know, now
that you're a new father, that you had a new
perspective on preseason.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
No.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
Look, my perspective on preseason is. Look, I appreciate the
fact that football, that football is back to a certain degree,
but let's be real, a lot of these players names
that we don't even recognize that we're not going to
see when the games actually matter. And look, I would
not begrudge any single soul or person that partakes in
watching every single second of preseason football that they can get,

(09:11):
because I certainly understand the fervor. We've talked about it
on this show at nausea in the last few months.
We talked about it when the playoffs started in January
that oh my god, the end of the season is
already here. So I can certainly appreciate people like both
of you who look forward to any sort of football
that we can possibly get. And I'm not gonna lie
and say that I didn't have it on. Honestly, more

(09:32):
than anything, I was more intrigued by how the new
kickoff situation we're gonna flush itself out more than anything else.
So it was on. But I'll be lying to you
if I said I was sitting there on the couch
glued to every single solitary play for the entire broadcast,
that just wasn't the case, and rarely is the case
for the majority of these preseason games. Now for my team,

(09:52):
for my team, and Fitsy brought up you know, watching
the Raiders, I will because you're following your team closely,
you're following camp, You're following certain potential breakouts here and there.
So from that standpoint, yes, I understand it. But just
a regular composite preseason game on a random Friday, I
just I don't know if I can sit there and
be totally glued to it and have my full on attention.
I just can't.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Okay, But well, remember real quick.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
Like I'm not glued to it. But you know, it's
like law and Order in the background. Like I'm not
glued to law and order, a bar rescue. I just want, okay, well,
back ground noise. That's better. That's better background noise. I
get it.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
Just I just that's that. That wasn't the vibe that
I was getting initially. And that's fine if you are
glued to it. I don't, but watch you. I was
glued to it, and that's great. I'm going to tell
you I was glued to it.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Here's why, because now I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
flighting it. Go oh, I'm glued to every preseason football game,
you know, yeah, coming up, I'm not. But it's the
first one. It's the Hall of Fame. So I watched
it without doing anything else other than actually just watching
the telecasts, right, I wasn't, you know. I mean, I'm

(10:57):
sure I looked at my phone, but other than that,
I mean I was. I was actually paying attention and
watching the game because you know, it's bucket acheman, right,
and you're talking and the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
So I'm interested.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
In the Hall of Fame class, right, I'm interested in
you know, bucket Akman just talking about the season, right
and that, like it's the first one and it's a
natural you know, it's it's those two. It's it's Fox,
and so I'm our ESPN.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Fox for fifty years.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, right, right, it's right, it's it's you know, ESPN,
and I'm watching those two and I'm going, all right,
I love this.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
I you know, I'm into it. So I was clue to.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
It to that end. Like to that end, I did
appreciate that it was Aikman and Bucket. They made it
feel like it mattered, you know, like that there is
something about making it feel the broadcast felt big?

Speaker 3 (11:59):
It did it?

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Did?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
I think that it was whole of fame.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
I love the whole of fame.

Speaker 4 (12:04):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (12:04):
I look forward more to the speeches today than I
do than I did to the game this about the
other day. To be honest with you.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Okay, you guys are crazy about that. The speeches are
so boring they go on forever.

Speaker 5 (12:12):
That's me, Well, there there's a ten minute limit and
move on. It's not as bad as it was a
couple of years ago.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
No, even at that. I'm just like, I just I want,
you know, like the orchestra to start playing and play
these speeches off. Let's know, you made the Hall of
Fame come up.

Speaker 5 (12:25):
With I'd much rather hear from Julius Peppers than here
about defensive end was taken into the seventh round, was
not even gonna play next year. But that's me.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
But you're not doing that like they're talking about this season.

Speaker 5 (12:37):
I get it. But as far as where my focus
is just general in a general sense, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Yeah, and I and I like interspersing. Hey, let's go
to Julius Peppers and big smile, right, and and you
know there's you know, there's Rutledge talking to Julius Peppers,
you know, like it's.

Speaker 5 (12:56):
The irony of that Devin Hester is going in and
that they're changing the and he wouldn't even be in
the Hall of Fame if the rules were in what
they are now.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
So I'm watching them, I'm and I'm thinking the same thing,
and I'm going, wow, man, it's so different. So let's
let's throw this out there. Since you brought up the
it looked gimmicky, it felt weird. It's got potential because

(13:24):
it's a football play. Yeah, I'll miss the EP the
Majestic Open right, There's something about the kickoff because as
the ball tumbles through the air right and there is
a den it's like it's the perfect open but it's

(13:49):
a waste of play, right, Like eighty percent of kickoffs
go out of bounds, nothing really happens. So this actually
has a chance to be something. I guess. I'm I'm oh,
I'm definitely curious. I'm want to have an open mind
with it because I could see the value in it,
but it looks weird.

Speaker 8 (14:11):
So the only thing I would say is I covered
it a lot when I because I hosted the flagship
studio show for the XFL for ESPN, So I've seen
this this kick off a lot.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
It doesn't it to me? Was the way you described
it is really well described by the way, because the
first week I watched watched it in the x I
was just like, man, I don't know, this just feels weird.
By the end of the season, I came to love it.
So for a while I think, there's yeah, love it.
It's because of the proximity of everybody. It's a little
bit like a run in the sense that there is
if you've got the right returner and you can get

(14:45):
one gap, you are gone. You are just gone, and
so it really creates fun in that situation. I think
the fact that they kept some level of onside kick
is stupid. That you have to announce it, you have
to be trailing, you have to be in the fourth quarter,
all these stupid like that was stupid to me. But
this actual kickoff rule, I think by the end of
the year, people are going to really love it. And
I do think it's important to note that every single

(15:06):
special teams coordinator right now is working on this in practice,
and most teams are limiting what reporters can say about
it because everybody's trying to surprise everybody at the beginning
on how they handle the two returners back. So I
just I want to remind everybody that what we're seeing
in preseason is just a very vanilla Yes, I understand
how to execute this, but I don't think we're going
to see any gadgetry. So I think Week one could

(15:27):
actually be really interesting for that.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah, I agree with its one thousand percent on this one.
People think it's gimmicky and don't like it because it's different,
it's weird. They're not used to it. What you are
used to and to you wroughte this up a second ago, Anthony,
you kick the ball off and go through the back
of the end zone. It's just a non factor of
a play. It's basically what the extra point was for years,
you know. I mean, these guys became so automatic. It

(15:49):
was like, what was the point? Now they've moved it back.
Now there's at least an element of excitement to it.
This actually brings an element of the unknown or some
excitement back to the kickoff. It's not a foregone conclusion.
And to your point, it's an actual football play now.
So it looks weird. It might be a little clunky
early on, but ultimately, once these guys get their sea
legs under them and I know exactly what they're doing, I

(16:10):
think it's ultimately going to end up being for the better.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's funny, you know, And I can see where you
guys are right and fits you know this, you know
to play pretty well. It's something that when you make
changes to the game, it's hard for people like you know,
if you look at baseball that major dramatic changes to

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the game.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
I you know, the pits clock has worked.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
The shifting band, the banning of the shift right.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
It's worked.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I still don't like extra innings and a ghost runner itself.
I just think it's kind of for bogus. But you know,
by and large, where it's just it takes time because
we're used to it some where, any sort of change
like this, and it's going.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
To take time for us to get used to.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
It, especially if your team gives up a big play
on the first kick go off of the seas and
you're gonna be like, ah, there's stupid rollwady into it,
blah blah blah. But you know, in three years, once
we're used to it, you know, everybody all love it.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
I'm sure, I think so. I'll go back to a
music story here, But when you in country music, particularly,
your sets are almost always exactly the same. You spend
the first month of the year in rehearsals getting all
your video lights together, Like Kenny Chesney's gonna do the
same set every single night. That's the way that works.
And the funny thing is what really stunned me when
I started touring is that there were times you play

(17:37):
for some artiststare outside of that, But when you're doing
like big arena tours, most of them have it that way,
and there'd be times that we would just mix up
the set on the road and there'd be so many
fans that were actually upset because they had either googled
the set list and they were planning on a certain song,
or you move this and they want to take this picture.
Like it's funny how people become very obsessed with having
things exactly the way they want them. No different than

(17:59):
if you've find your favorite restaurant in town. How many
people that go to their favorite restaurant they order something
different right right, and it's like, no, I come here
for this. And that's where we are with our sports.
But everything you just mentioned in baseball, you may not
love the ghost runner. I don't frankly love it either,
but it's not preventing people that love the sport from
watching it, and maybe it's getting one or two new

(18:20):
people involved in it, you know. And I think these
kickoff rules wasted plays in the NFL don't do well right,
and the kickoffs before had become virtually a wasted play.
So now you at least give yourself a chance. We're
all going to be glued to our TVs this year
to figure out what this looks like and if it
doesn't work, the NFL will walk it back and they'll
do something different next year.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Yeah, and oddly it's you know, it does help with
safety in that, you know, the way kickoffs used to
be you can't have anymore because you can't have wedge
fosters and you can't the running down the field like that.
It was you know, dangerous. I mean no kickoff. I

(18:59):
mean you remember what kickoffs used to be before they change,
before they tweaked them and made it a non play.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
But you can't have kickoffs like that anymore.

Speaker 5 (19:09):
Which is why this was such a great idea because
you kind of have the best of both worlds. It's
a way to make a football play out of the kickoff,
you know, while also trying your best to protect the
players as much as you possibly can. Because the kickoff
for so long had been is the foregone conclusion. It
was the time where everybody gets up and goes to
the bathroom. You know, exactly, nothing's gonna happen here. Chances
are they're just gonna kick kick it through the back

(19:31):
of the end zone or fair catch it, taking knee whatever. Well,
now it's an actual play that can end up changing
the game. Once again like it was years ago. So
I think this is actually the best decision the NFL
could have made. And it's gimmicky for some but like
we've been talking about, I think ultimately it's gonna end
up being better, better for the game.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yeah, I do too. And you remember, you know, before
they moved it up, like.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
You, I mean, their returns every play just about I mean,
you had some touchbacks, but the returns, you know, sixty
seventy percent of the time, and they were dangerous. Oh yeah,
I mean like those guys were I mean the comic has.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I mean, remember they would call them comic hausings.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
Right, they'd have like the quote unquote the craziest player
on the team, the guy who was a loose can
and no reckless abandon usually is like some reserves safety linebacker. Yeah,
they would keep guys on the rosters, specific the wedge busters.
That's pretty much all they did. They might not see
a snap on defense. All they did was go out
there and just try to cause a wreck on the
special teams. That was their only job.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
Yeah, and that's how they made a roster, right. Yeah,
then you think about like not only that's that's how
they made a roster. So that was being echoed in
every practice, that was being echoed in every single opportunity
that they had to put anything on tape like that
was creating recklessness weekend and we got now, we loved it,
but it was reckless.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
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we're talking about the as you can well imagine Thursday
night start of the preseason Buck Aikman, Canton, Ohio New Kickoffs,
the new inductees into the Hall of Fame, and they're Fitzy.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
I'm sure you've been to Canton, right, Uh?

Speaker 4 (23:18):
No, so I've never been to the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
No really.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
We played once not too far from there, but it
was like twenty twenty five minutes away, and that's just
far enough. In the touring world pre uber that you
were sort of stuck, and so I didn't have anybody
that wanted to go. And when there's one guy on
a tour with you know, hundreds, you don't get to
just you know, get out there, Sona. That's closest I've
come been to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
been to Cleveland a bunch, and played outside of Canton,

(23:43):
but never been to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
All right, well, I want you to make the pilgrimage
at some point, maybe next summer, maybe, uh in the
off season. Maybe we'll give you a show there. It's
it's awesome, dude, It's figure have you ever read?

Speaker 5 (24:02):
Unfortunately, no, but it's definitely on the bucket list.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah, all right, now we need to we definitely need
to do a show there.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, I gotta tell you, I fitz you would You'll
you'll love it because it's a celebration of the sport.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's you know, it really is.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Like the Louver right, like it's got if you care,
which we do, and uh, you go there and it's
just feels it exudes football and the Hall of Fame
weekend is awesome and you see it all. It's like Cooperstown.
I don't I don't know if you either of you

(24:40):
guys have been to Cooperstown, but it's it's a celebration
of the sport and I love it. I could spend
hours and hours in that place, look at all the
stuff and all the exhibits, and it really is it's
a timeline of the sport, the great players, and I

(25:03):
love them.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I highly recommend the way.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
In fact, I really want to do it, and sometimes
I think it's on the plate, like we talk about
it once a year, but the FED really needs to
go and just see it once.

Speaker 5 (25:15):
It's one thing I.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Love about you, and not just because we're on air together,
but that I think is interesting because we've talked before
about the fact that maybe I don't gravitate towards history
the same way a lot of people do, right, Like
I'm sort of an in the moment person, right, But
there is a difference between you know, dwelling on all
of these things in the past that I don't necessarily
do well versus appreciating the aura of something that got

(25:40):
you to where you are. You know what I mean.
If that sounds as cheesy as that sounds like to me,
there's something beautiful when you're at the Rock and Roll
Hall of Fame and you see like the piece of
paper that a song was written on, and yes, there's
just something to that that just really reminds you. Reminds
me of the beauty that music can bring, right, And
so the way you describe that is so perfect, because
sometimes in my mind, I think there's just a part

(26:01):
of me that's like, yeah, football in the fifties, Like
I understand it, but it doesn't really like I I
don't have to feel like I'm part of it to
love the game today. But at the same time, I
do think there's something beautiful in the way you describe
that of just like being around the spirit of football.
I feel like I'm so cheesy right now, but it's
it's just the way you described it. It totally gave
me the feels.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yeah, it's and it's got that, and it's the players,
and you learn a lot about it and it's just
something you care about, right, So I get, you know,
about being in and out, which I actually admire and
I think is a really good thing.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
There's a lot you know what. Moderation, my friend, is
something that I'm learning. I've never done well. There's probably
a good line between being in the now and also
appreciating what's happening in life. I've never done that very
well ever.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Well, especially with something that you love, like how much
you love football and you know the Raiders, like you
go back and you'll just the Madden stuff that's there,
and the celebration of that team.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
I mean that's cool too, like just seeing you know, the.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
Your team and through the years and and just you know,
again the great players that you heard about, the lore.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
You know, it's got that kind of cool vibe to it. Man. Yeah,
I love I loved it.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
I did when I first time I went, and I
did it as a reporter when I was the Post
and I did a whole weekend there in Canton when
Reggie White got inducted in four and it was like
an Eagle celebration and and it was funny.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I'm trying to remember who was to me from the Packers.
I was getting in.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Well, Reggie also played for the Packers too, so there
was some you know, Green Bay there. And it's cool,
like there's a every team has a legion of fans
and it's you know, it feels like you're your your brethren.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
You know. The one thing about you know preseason.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Two is you you're all any together before we're before
we become tribal and and go into our respective places
with our teams. You you you like Bob because over
the sport itself.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
The way you described that, before we become a tribal,
I just love that because you're so right, Like so
before we all decide that we're going to turn on
each other and now it's the part of the flies
we at least in the beginning, you're like, you know what,
I really respect you man, Like you're right about that too.
You can see that so often in general with the
Hall of Fame game, you can see like the love
everybody has for others, like, oh, we're all fans, we're
all in this together, we all love each other. And

(28:38):
then like by week three, we'll all hate each other, right.

Speaker 5 (28:42):
I just love the the appreciation that you have for
for a great play. The all the old saying of
like you don't know where you're going unless you know
where you've been, you know, to be cheesy or poetic
or anything. But you know, and I was beautiful man,
just watching, you know, seeing player great players who made impacts.
We talked about Devin Hester, you know, and you know
he wasn't didn't really make much of an impact on offense.

(29:04):
But I was as important of a piece to those
Bears teams. I mean, it was as big of a
reason as any that they even made it to the
Super Bowl the year that they made it, in two
thousand and five. And think of how crazy they has
to say about a specialist, about a return specialist, and
how many highlight plays he's had. The Dennis Green, you know,
slapping the microphone and all that that was because Devin
has to return two kicks in a game where the

(29:25):
Arizona was up big. You know, Mongol McMichael, long overdue
is making it in Julius Pepper is one of the
most dominant defensive ends of all time. Andre Johnson never
really did much from a playoff standpoint, but was one
of the best players in the sport for the time
that he played, Like, I have an appreciation and I
would go into a rabbit hole on YouTube and watch
like the one hundred greatest players of all time and

(29:46):
history stuff like that. I nerd out on things like that.
I have a great appreciation for all time players that
I saw that I didn't see, and then even greater
appreciation for the ones that I did who are now
finally getting their you know, getting their flowers and getting
inducted into the Hall of Fame or even now seeing
those things pop up on the whole potential Hall of

(30:07):
Fame list coming up. So I'm great, a great appreciator
of history when it comes to that sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
I do wonder when you mentioned that, because like, look,
I die on this hill. Every year we get to
Christmas time and I always say, like, you know, to me,
white Christmas Holiday, and these are like classic Christmas movies.
And when I talk to people younger when I was
working at ESPN that I worked with a lot, they
would all be like, I've never seen it, don't want
to see it. And there's this moment for me where

(30:33):
I look at the way the young population in general
has always always even when I was a kid, we
always looked at our mom and dad or like stay current,
like keep watching, keep listening. Right, So there's always been
the demand on people to stay current. But in today's
world where Spotify makes absorbing old music so easy and
Netflix makes absorbing old movies so easy, it's out there.

(30:54):
Like if you want to find culturally relevant historic movies,
like if you want to watch Cosablanca, you can do
that easy than ever now, you know. But like, I
find that a lot of people just don't seem to
have the interest to even try. So I wonder how
the current like in twenty years. I wonder what the
Hall of Fame looks like for a generation that doesn't
seem as impassionate about necessarily going back in time for history.

Speaker 3 (31:16):
You know what's I agree with you?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I think, by in large, I think people you know, are.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Inherently afraid of.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
The hit of history in the past because it takes
away from their moment and they don't want If they
were it's almost fomo right. Well, I wasn't around, so
you know, how do I know that was so great?
I'm around now, so now it's great so that's kind
of the mentality right of why we don't like it.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
But I will say, and this is interesting.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think you're spot on about like Spotify, Netflix and all,
because I know a lot of young people that you know,
they have fallen in love with the stars or they
fall in love with the Beatles, and you know, they
they look at at that music and they.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Love it because it's great, and they should because it's great.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
It's great music, it's and it's something that's timeless that
you know, you you look through time. Movies are probably
a little different because sometimes they're hard to translate to
modern day.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Yeah, a lot of things don't don't age well for
lack of a better time.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Right, you know, I mean there's no cell phones, and topically,
I would some of the movies I just mentioned didn't
age well. It's important, you know, but we also can't
there's a fine line in art even of like That's
why I think there is some some storytelling to be
done about Hey, like this, this speaks to where the
country was and why there were some real problems. Then

(32:48):
I think they're still value in it. But yes, I mean,
we all remember what it was like when movies were
being remade all the time, and it's like, oh, well
they're just doing a remake of this or remake of that.
Now that becomes more and more frustrating to me because
if you really want to go see the movie, it's like,
why do you need to remake Footloos? The original Footloose
is out there on Netflix, just go watch it, right,
Like that's so there's a fine line on all that,

(33:09):
you know.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Nah, totally totally, but it's it's it is interesting to
your point, you know, that your overarching point that you know,
you go back into something we all care about, and
you can look and see football through the years and
as you know, it's it's inception from I mean prehistorically

(33:30):
when you look back at old games.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
I like, I'll go through the.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
YouTube rabbit hole often and I watched these old games
and you know, like from the eighties or nineties and
the game looks slow.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yeah, well the sixties, those Packers teams, you know, well.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
That's even with anything with the goalposts in the front.
It's almost like those are like prehistoric, right, like those
are bc Uh.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
I love that stuff though, I mean, and the NFL
has done a good job recently, Like I believe the
Ice Bowl, the old Ice Bowl between the Cowboys and Packers.
You're going to watch the entire game on YouTube. The
whole three and a half hour broadcast on the NFL's
YouTube page is right there for you to see if
you want to. It's awesome, it's amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
All right, coming up, I'm going to pose the question
and I we're going to go around the horn and
we're going to go three players from the past that
completely predates it.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
That you would have interested watching. I love this, all right,
So well, we're going to get into that.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
I got a bunch of these questions that I want
to kind of throw at you to signify that football
is back. Where the Fellas we hang out every Saturday
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(35:19):
fitz Kevin Figures on Anthony Gargano. All right, So I
want to get into the about the books of these
questions that I want to run by you. And the
first one is because you're talking about the whole fame
and great players, you know, I want you to go
back and tell me.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
And we're gonna go one by one.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
We're gonna do it three times, three different players that
you would have loved to really see. And I want
to include the players that might have played when you
were a kid, because you didn't have the same discerning
eye when you're ten the way you do now is
an adult. Like I'll give you one of mine is
Dan Marie, Like I would have loved to watch Dan

(36:03):
Marino now understanding the game, really seeing it, and now
seeing how his greatness could be. So watching a Dann
Marino today would be very interesting to me because the
key to me is the one quarterback from the past,
maybe along with Randall Cunningham, who would be great players today.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Uh are we gonna include lay In that? Would you
put Alway in that scene?

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yes, he was a little later, It's just I guess why,
but not months later.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
I mean he played longer, but yeah, I would include yeah,
l Way for sure.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
Okay, so when you say blast from the past players,
my brain immediately goes to the defensive side of the
ball because for me now defense is so bastardized in
the way it's running. What's allowed. If I'm going to
go back in a time machine and get to watch somebody,
the first name that came to mind was Dick Buckers.
I just want to see somebody's commands in a lost

(37:03):
art because yeah, he does look him feel so different now,
Like I just I want to see people just get
on the field and just smack each other around. So
I went with Dick Buckiss as my first choice.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I like that. That's great. Figure.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
The first one for me is a guy who was
a defensive back back in the fifties and sixties. Believe
it or not, his name was Dick Knight Train Lane.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Oh.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
He was just as adept at getting interceptions. He still
holds the individual record fourteen interceptions in a single season,
still the most that any player has ever gotten, and
that was in the fifties and sixties when they barely
even throw the ball. He will also take your head off.
This was a corner who hit like a linebacker, not
even like a safety. They change rules three different times
during his playing career because of the way that he

(37:45):
tackled people and it didn't affect him one bit. The
you got jacked up segment that ESPN used to do
back in the day, those hits basically were revolutionized by
the way that he played because when they told him, hey,
you can't grab guys around the face, he said, all right,
I'll close line him around the neck. When they said
he can't close line him around the neck, He's like,
all right, I'll just take my forearm and just blast

(38:06):
the crap out of him in the chest. And that's
where those sort of hits basically came from, was from
Dick Knight train Lane and to watch his highlights and
to see the speed and really just how smooth he
is and being able to bake quarterbacks into into into
the throwing interceptions his way. I would love to have
been able to watch him play. He's one of those
players who just says generational that he probably would have

(38:27):
been now. Granted the rules are different, but he would
have been just as good of a player now as
he was back then. As watching I would love love
to see dig Nite train Lane play because his his
highlights look amazing.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
Wow, that is such a great answer because I you.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Know, again I going off the board a little bit,
by the.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Way, I gotta tell you guys killed it.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
You guys killed it because like and as you both talking, going, yeah,
those are great answers, right, Like you would love to
see buckis, You'll love to see night train lane, Like
you said that corner who's laying the wood like something
we'd never seen Like today cornerbacks are these like you

(39:10):
know regal cats, right, Like they play with just pure
athleticism and no physicality. And back then it was the
sport was all physicality.

Speaker 5 (39:23):
Back then he was blowing running backs up in the backfield.
It's insane to watch it really is.

Speaker 4 (39:29):
Like there was a whole era, by the way, where
kids coming up wanted to play on that side of
the ball because you could just it was like being
a fighter, Like you could just get in and nail anybody. Now,
like much harder to convince somebody to want to be
a linebacker or want to be even in the secondary,
compared to the offensive money that goes out there and
the highlights go out there. So yeah, I it's totally

(39:49):
different era.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
I want to see that, Yeah, when you sneeze on
a guy, if you're a defensive player, you're not sure
if you're gonna get a flag or get ejected or not.
So you don't even know how to tackle anymore.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's right, And like that pure physicality and is uh
I mean you go back and you look at some
of the old games. It is amazing, like the hits,
because it's stuff that just won't to you know, that
shouldn't happen today.

Speaker 5 (40:15):
Right, Yeah, it's a night and day. Yeah, right, and like.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
You'd see it and you're like, oh my god.

Speaker 5 (40:21):
I don't know if he's on anybody's list, but Jack Tatum,
I mean talk about a hand none my god.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Oh my god. Crazy.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
All right, where the fella, it's gonna take quick t o.
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Speaker 2 (41:03):
All right, So fellas our number two of the program,
talking heavy Football, Can I just say one thing? And
I I feel so guilty about this. Blake Snell throws
a no hitter last night. I mean, you know, I mean,
what an incredible feat and I and I was so

(41:27):
football focused and football centric that I didn't even mention it.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
It's a tree falling in the forest, huh.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
And I feel guilty about it because you know, I
profess how much I love baseball, and I don't even
mention in the first hour of our program because you know,
preseasons bad football, and now it takes center stage. You know,
no Katie Ledecki, no Shimon Biles, no Blake Snell. You know,

(41:55):
it was just an hour of you know, football's back,
and that's probably not right. So I need to apologize,
do you.

Speaker 5 (42:05):
I mean, look, look, we all understand. I will say
one thing about baseball with Blake Snell is like, this
isn't just some of those fly by night guy who
just got called up and he's having an amazing start.
Guys won a couple of cy Young's been an All
Star pitching in a World Series. All that, he's a
recognizable name now. Granted, the Giants in Cincinnati are not
going anywhere, which certainly doesn't help. You know, if the

(42:26):
Yankees are playing the Red Sox or they're playing Cleveland
or something, it was more of a marquee matchup, it
mean a lot more. But as of right now, you know,
you're kind of in the dog days of the Major
League Baseball season with two teams that aren't going anywhere.
Blake Snell didn't get traded at the deadline to a contender.
So it's a great story. Anytime you have a no
hitter or a perfect game or something like that, it's

(42:46):
obviously a phenomenal story. But the timing just wasn't right.
With a football coming back and these two teams going
not going anywhere. It's kind of just a perfect storm
of events for it's unfortunately not to be necessarily recognized
by as many people as it usually would.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Well.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
But you know, one of the things that's uh that
I can't have it both ways, like I rail against
with the pirates to get schemes out right, you know,
with the no hitter going right, and I'm like, no,
hitter is so special and this and that, like, oh,
it's your fan base to achieve that. And if we're not,
if I'm not talking about it in the first hour,

(43:23):
if the fresh after it happens last night, then you know,
shame on me.

Speaker 4 (43:29):
Part of it, though, is the nature of the beast
of what we do. I'm not trying to excuse any
of it, but I would say this, like, so.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
Not Sports Center, So I agree with you.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
Yeah, yeah, sports talk radio is like why are we
talking about it? What's the big what's the angle, what's
the conversation, what's the point? You know, and other than saying, Wow,
that's incredible and what an incredible moment for the fans. Okay,
but then then then what are we spend in ten
minutes on you know, Like that's just I'm being like
wildly real with everybody about sort of what our bosses

(43:58):
expect and what this media expects. Right Like, we get
we get coached on the term the broadest set of
the audience, right like, what are most people tuning in
right now to sports talk radio care the most about?
And the answer to that is going to be football,
even preseason football. That's just the way. So I don't
make the rules. That's just what it is. So you know,
I hear you. But I also don't know what great

(44:19):
conversation was missed by not talking about the no hitter
other than saying, hey, heck of a job. Congratulations, that's
really cool.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Well, I mean, that's and that's it. That's where I was.
That's where I was wrong, Chilie.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
It's also I think it kind of on the on
the way that baseball is viewed now, the way that
the game is played. It's almost as if the no
hitter is not as much of a novelty as it
used to be. I don't know what year it was,
it was either twenty twenty one or twenty twenty two.
We had a ton of no hitters. It's insane. And
the way that the game is played now, when you
have a bunch of flame throwers and a bunch of

(44:51):
guys who are swinging for the fences, and of the
night that the flamethrower is getting by everybody, and the
guys swinging for the fences are swinging and missing, I
feel like it's not as special as it used to be.
It's still special, it's still somewhat rare and I'll see
if I can find this, But there was one year
a couple of years ago where there are like six
or seven no hitters in a season, yeah, you know,

(45:12):
and that whereas it used to happen once every couple
of years, right, So, I think the novelty of the
no hitter is just not what it used to be.
And that's and that's an indictment on how the game
of baseball is played nowadays. It's power versus power, and
if the pitching power is better than the hitting power
on that given day, you can see situations like this happening.
I mean, the last no hitter was what two weeks
ago before this was Dylan cease, and even two weeks ago,

(45:35):
it might have been last weekend.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
And the interesting thing is, too, you know how we
view the sport like we view the sport.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
A strikeout isn't a bad thing.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Right, yeah, you know, before he struck alls, not putting
the ball play, you know, things should happen when you
put the ball in play and all this other stuff.
And the strikeouts were evil, straight guts are no longer evil.

Speaker 5 (46:02):
Nine twenty twenty one, there were nine no hitters. I
think how insane that.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Is Yeah, that's that is wild.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Pick a year that's isn't that a little bit like
the triple double, like which was such an amazing thing
until it was an amazing thing. Like I mean, we
we see incredible things and then we just normalize it.
We're like, well, now that's not a big deal anymore.
And that's we. I don't mean you and I we.
I just mean the popular like society. That's just what happens.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
No, I no, I'm with you, all right. So I
got that off my chest and thank you fellas for
make you feel better. Well we got it in. So
there you go. Yeah, and that's all I wanted to do. Yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 3 (46:40):
So back to football.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
So when last week left me just June joining in, right,
just tuning in to us. We're talking about you know,
obviously it's football. And we got it on the discussion
of the Hall of Fame because of the Hall of
Fame game. And I got a bunch of questions surrounding
the start of football.

Speaker 3 (47:02):
And one of them is to go back and to.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Look at players who played before your time or when
you were young, and you couldn't really understand them how
their greatness? Right, Look, get me we're going three players
apiece that we wish we could have seen, And so
I started with Dan Marino just to to digest him

(47:29):
as an adult and his greatness. And then you guys
hit out of the ballpark with Dick buckets and night
train lane. As we went defense, you guys went defense,
and how great like defenses where back then? And you
know they had the nicknames right, the Purple People, Eaters,

(47:50):
the Vikings, steal Kurt and the Steelers all that. I
want to add another voice into it because he's our
senior here on the show. He's our technical engineer, Mighty Mark,
and Mighty Mark during the break said to me.

Speaker 10 (48:05):
What I said, I wish you guys could have seen
Frank o'harris this and see if you could compare him
to how Dereck Henry runs. And my other ones would
be also Rocky, Blier and branch and blittann a cough
when it comes to wide receivers. So those are three

(48:26):
names I'm giving you right now. Yeah, but just Frank O'harris,
he was tall, he would gallop. I mean, we've all
seen the reception that he you know, immaculate, immaculate receptions,
and you could see how he runs. And if you
could look at that and look how Dereck Henry runs,
this big, gigantic, galloping guy that you can't take down.

(48:47):
You cannot bring him down if he's in an open
field and you try to run up and grab him.
And then there's Rocky Blier, another running back, and then
my other two would be Branch and Bullittannikoff of making
it three people we thought we talk about.

Speaker 3 (49:02):
Yeah, it's funny you said that.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
It's interesting because you know, people talk about Franko. Harris
and you know in Pittsburgh he's just you know, this
the legend right Penn State and all of p a right.
I was born in Pennsylvania, right, so Philly, and you
know the lore of Penn State. And frank o'harris was

(49:24):
with you know, he was like this amazing, you know,
amazing figure, mythical figure if you will, those running backs,
and I think those guys, like I was about to say,
Jim Brown, I I like thinking about Jim Brown, one
of the greatest. You go back and you watch those highlights.

Speaker 5 (49:42):
You go, oh my god, always like a man playing
with children against and it's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (49:48):
Oh man, no wonder why like they looked at him
as this you know, godlike figure, like he was impossible
to take down. He was big, fast, and straw. And
that's when the running back mattered.

Speaker 7 (50:03):
Right.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
The game is so interesting back.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Then, right, guys, because the back was it like everybody
had to have the back. Like go back to drafts,
you know, up and through the eighties and into the nineties,
running backs were populated in.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
The first round like they were the quarterbacks.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
Yeah, the quarterbacks were nowhere near as popular back then,
or were near perceived to be as important as the
running backs were. It's not I.

Speaker 4 (50:30):
Think, you know, it speaks to the physicality that came
with football. Football is still it's a wildly physical game
because of the way it is built. But let's be honest,
football in the sixties was a much different version of physicality.
Like it's just people were just hammering people. So if
you're gonna have, like I mentioned, dick Buckets, if you're
gonna have somebody like tick Buckets laying out hits, you
better have somebody that can take that hit and still

(50:51):
get up and take the ball over and over and
over again. And let's also admit too that these guys
were doing that in an era where they didn't have
cryo chambers to help with their body healing, like they
didn't have all of the modern accoutrements that we have
now to try and help guys get through recovery. Didn't
have any of that, Like they had off seats and jobs,
and then they were just getting a snoppeat out of

(51:12):
them getting up and doing it over and over and
over again.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
I mean that's you know, I know there's a cliche here,
but that's when men were mad bad. I'm not a
man compared to that. Like those dudes, I mean they
just took it bad.

Speaker 5 (51:28):
Yeah, Now there were teams back then that zagged a
little bit when everybody was zigging and so I yes,
so Mark, you brought up you have the thunder and
lightning for the Raiders with a Cliff Branch and bolitan
a coffee, you know, the vertical game and airing it out.
Cliff Branch. Everybody knew exactly what he was going to
do every single play. He's just running a nine straight
up the field and see if you can stop it.
And most of the time people couldn't, you know. So

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there was so there was that element of it too.
United colds through the ball a lot back in his day,
or at least a lot for the time that they played,
you know, and had there had a measure of success
as well. So the idea where people think this is
so revolutionary and everybody's doing things differently than everybody else
and they're reinventing the wheel. Everything is so cyclical in
this league, it really is at all.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Yeah, I mean that's you're right, and that's going to
continue to happen in the league even as we see
it right now. Like you know, every time it spreads out,
somebody figures out that the way to counter that is
to pack it in, and then they do the opposite.
So it's like this this pattern, we all just wait
for it to continue and it never ends. So I
totally agree with your assessment there.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
Yeah, it's funny and how stuff concepts come back like forever.
I'll never forget when the Washington brought back the read
option with RG three, it was like, oh my god, meanwhile,
that's what they rad like back in college. They read
it was antiquated. It became antiquated in college.

Speaker 5 (52:50):
Or remember the Wildcat with Ronnie Brown and h and
Ricky Williams in Miami. Well, I mean the quarterback was
a glorified running back back in the day in the fifties,
the quarterback that was Yeah, that's exactly what the offense
was back then.

Speaker 2 (53:05):
That's pretty interesting. I these concepts kind of coming back
and forth in the history.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
I'll never forget sitting.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
With and I talk about it sometimes because he was right, uh,
sitting with Spags in like oh eight. He had gotten
a job with the Rams, and we were talking about
guy had Stephen Jackson, and you know, obviously everybody was
into the quarterback at all.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
You know, a physical, upright runner. Stephen Jackson was a
beast in his day too.

Speaker 2 (53:35):
And we were talking about the cycle of you know,
the sport and how remember everybody was devaluing safeties and
linebackers because nobody was running the football. And he's like, dude,
it's going to come back. It just it just always does.
And sure enough, we've seen it. We seen it come back.
Even though the rules, you know, more and more they

(53:57):
get changed all the time about the past, the running game,
you know, we've seen it matter.

Speaker 5 (54:03):
You also see its interesting. So the valuation or the
value of linebackers has returned, but it's a different type
of linebacker now than it was when it was your
bucket types. Because, as Patrick Willis gets ready to go
into the Hall of Fame, one of the great linebackers
who was able to cover receivers and also be physical upfront.
Fred Warner following in his footstets in San Francisco, is

(54:25):
kind of that same mold. So a lot of the
great linebackers you see now are the versatile types. If anything,
someone like a Derrek Brooks was kind of revolutionary in
that he was a smaller linebacker that can get up
field and cover receivers well, is also extremely physical at
the same time, and now pretty much every linebacker is
built that way, the wint essential three down linebacker. A

(54:45):
lot of teams are playing in nickel packages where you
don't have three linebackers anymore. You have to have a
linebacker that can stay on the field for the entire
entire defense of you know, the entire playbook. So yes,
there is a return to the value of the position,
but the position in and of itself is different now
than it was back then.

Speaker 4 (55:01):
Well, we've talked about this before we go watch the
YouTube clips of football games in the eighties and nineties
and see how differently everybody's built, Like everybody had little
chicken legs and huge shoulders because that's what you needed
at the time in the league to just be able
to punish somebody. And that speaks to the linebacker position also,
like the balance on bodies is so much different than
it was thirty forty years ago. Watching the sport, I

(55:24):
think it's one of the most incredible things. You can
not only see that athletes can take better care of themselves,
you can see that the training of athletes has just
gotten smarter and smarter and smarter to where guys are
just physically they're just in a they physically have a
different shape to be able to play the game.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
How about do you guys remember like back then they
had two hundred and ninety pounds ends.

Speaker 5 (55:46):
Yeah, you know, which was just seventy pound linebackers.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
You know. Yeah, Well, I mean think about the fridge
being People were like nobody could ever tackle somebody as
huge as the fridge. He'd be an undersized defensive tackle. Now, like,
what are we talking about? Like that's how different, Bob.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Yeah, And everything was so packed in you go watching
no games back and everything is just so tight you know,
full back and two and tight ends and everything is
now everything is so spread out. If you're someone who
just didn't know the difference of it, you'd be looking
at a completely different game. If you were to watch
highlights of a super Bowl from the eighties and one
from say last year, Yes, the night and day.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Almost yeah, because everything is between the tackles. Yeah, right,
like everything was between the tackles smash like think about
you know how much the route and the run get
like I you know, it was me. It was so frustrating.
I remember being a kid being frustrated by the play
call and go. You know it's like first down, run

(56:40):
second and nine, run third and seven, throw under the
sticks right like underneath and he'd be like, what is
that so second and nine? Why are you in front
of the football?

Speaker 5 (56:54):
So were you like an air corio guy or something,
as you fall in love with the West Coast and
what a fouts and those guys are doing because of oh.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
My god, yes, it was so Yes, it was great
because like just being a kid watching that kind of football,
I mean that never it never made sense to me
that if it's second and long and you're staring at
a front, and remember they would play you want to
talk about the box being loaded? Yeah, I mean they would.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Have eight men box, nine men box, nine men. We
can imagine, how are you gonna run against nine men box?

Speaker 5 (57:28):
And they'd run right into it head first.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
It's oh god, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
And the thought of what it plays.

Speaker 4 (57:33):
That could you imagine taking this year just take this
year's highlights from across the NFL of third and three
or shorter and go back in time and play. For
every coach in the NFL in the eighties nineties, they
would have gone absolutely out of their mind seeing how
a shotgun throw the ball as done it like third
and three, you know, three yards and a cloud of dust.

(57:55):
We all grew up with these things. Like third and
three was a I'm gonna try and get my beefcake
to take down your beefcake, and we're gonna fall forward
for three yards. I dare you to stop me. And
now third and three is spread them out and let's
see if we can get something quick slant over the
middle and get a quick completion and just keep running
this this thing done. It's it's crazy how much that
has changed.

Speaker 2 (58:14):
I know, I mean, it's it's wild and it's funny
where you go, you never just it's the game so
more sophisticated, like how the game is coached, how the
game is thought about, is way more sophistic and it is,
like I'm about I'm not making a statement one era

(58:38):
is better than the other era. Like wherever you are
you're from, you're always going to be partial to because
or whatever. I get it, But if you're to look
at it objectively, it's way more, way more sophisticated. Now yeah, well,
I mean these guys didn't look at they like they
just didn't. Dude, I'm sorry, but real quick, the I

(58:58):
was watching a game and it's just in the nineties
and during the pandemic. On my show, I would do
the think will playback, and I would pick a game
in history every day and I would break it down
and I go way back.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
So there was an Eagles Raiders game.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
And it's it's two minutes and the Eagles are running
place that they weren't taking a knee like they weren't.
They were throwing the ball like it was stupid, like
they were doing stuff they were they were winning a game.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
All they had to do was like manipulate the clock.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
I forget what it was, but like they're up like
two scores, it's inside three minutes, and like they're just
throwing the ball like dumb stuff, and the Raiders come
back and tie the game right like win it overtime.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
It was.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
It was absurd. It's like, how could you manage this game?
Like who?

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Like you should have been fired, Like you would have
been fired on the spot if it happened today.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
It's just a difference in mentality because back then it
was all about being tough. He's like, hey, we're not
gonna sit here and take a knee. We're going to
the knee wasn't even a concept that anybody even thought
of at that point in time. We're just gonna ram
it ahead and we're gonna we're tougher than you are
and it doesn't matter. So where now it's just like, well,
what's the smart play? Like, what's what's the easiest way
the highest percentage of us to be able to get
this first down?

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
You know?

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
And the old school people would say like, oh, you
guys are doing all this man be pamby reverse stuff
and slants and all that. We would ram our head
into the middle. I was like, well, was that really
the smart thing to do at the time. If the
goal is to get the first down, whatn't I want
to maximize my chances of being able to do that,
And maybe throwing a slam pass to my athlete who
can beat their athlete on the perimeter is better than

(01:00:40):
ramming a through two hundred and sixty pound guy into
a two hundred and twenty pound guy off the middle
and hoping my guy wins.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Exactly, you know, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
And then I remember one of the it was one
of the game time touchdown was up on an interception.
It was third and seven and the Eagles through the
ball when they're up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Yeah, like there was no like you would never have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
Thrown today, like you have run it, and they threw
it and Connie Game through an interception and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Like why would you throw the ball at this spot?
Like like what's wrong with you?

Speaker 5 (01:01:12):
I don't get the announcer say anything at that point
or Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
It was like like and this is like Madden or
whatever whoever was there was that era right, Like it
was like, you know, it wasn't nineteen sixties, it was
nineteen nineties.

Speaker 5 (01:01:27):
Yeah, if it's cap Randall, you're thinking like you know, nineties, yeah, right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Right, and yet they still like stuff that we take
for granted in the game. They still like that's a
cardinal sin that the coach committee. It was like, what anyway,
We're gonna take quick to you. We'll come right back,
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the air. All right, fellas hanging out and we're going
through our players before we continue with hours. Uh, Brie,
let me ask you a question. Get you which players
would you have?

Speaker 11 (01:03:11):
So it's funny because you know, we have two Raider
fans on the show, and actually Kenny Stabler was one
of mine, the first one.

Speaker 12 (01:03:20):
Oh yeah, that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
That's a great answer. He was he left handed. Uh,
he was like a bigger than life character. I mean,
you guys know, you guys are Raider fans. Uh, there
was a great I remember supports illustrated after a game
and he's sitting there and you know, he's beaten and
battered and he's got a cigarette and a beer.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
Just the thought of that being like the thought of
my home sitting in front of his locker room afterwards,
it's like, oh, my guys gotta get here. It like
it's just so fortant.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It's how nuts is that? I mean they're sitting there
like they were, and that's how it was. I remember
going into a who was it?

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
God? It was a basketball.

Speaker 11 (01:04:11):
Moses No Milo's Testofovich the Clippers guy, right, was he
the point guard Milos was talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Yeah, yeah, there was another guy was a Rick Mhorn
was a rick out somebody. I remember when I was
first covering sports, and this was in the mid and
like in the nineties, and I walked into six Ers
locker room and one of the players just sitting there
with a smoke and a beer. And the beer wasn't

(01:04:42):
anything any big deal, but I remember thinking, like, why
is he smoking?

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Like how you played basketball? You're smoking?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Like I just remember thinking at that point, like, you know,
I was twenty two, twenty three years old to thinking, wow, man,
that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:56):
So what else? She got?

Speaker 11 (01:04:57):
Bree And then I had a Ricky William and Dion
Sanders those are my other two.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
That's great. Yeah, that's good stuff. I love your Kenny
Stable bad.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
We just loved that. I love the Dion major list,
which makes me feel wild, very old.

Speaker 11 (01:05:13):
I'm sorry, It's just I was so young. I was
probably like two years old or something, you know, I
mean I was alive at least, right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:20):
I missed the very very beginning of Dion and is
Atlanta days and all that. But by the time he
got to Dallas and San Francisco and especially when he
came back with Baltimore. I was, I was, that was
knee deep into it. So Ken Staveler, by the way,
uh we go talking about the Immacula reception before that
play had a great thirty five forty yard touchdown run
as a quarterback against Pittsburgh and had not, had it

(01:05:41):
not been for the Immacula reception, that would have been
the highlight of that game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
Yes, yeah, that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:47):
I think that was the only touchdown to the Raiders
score that entire game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
That's a great pool zero.

Speaker 4 (01:05:52):
Is there a fan base that has more if it
wasn't fo Yeah, oh god, I'm not sure. That's still hurting.
It's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Oh maybe Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Yeah, you're right. The fumble and the drive back to
back I mean you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:12):
Know, back to back years.

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Yeah, that's that's brutal, that's cross. That is all right.
Let's keep going through your guys lists. So, uh, Fitzy,
you're up. Fitzy, you gave you go.

Speaker 4 (01:06:25):
I gave a dick Buckets the first time. I stay
on the defensive side of the ball because again, I
I just want to watch people get absolutely hammered. I
stay with my favorite team and I go to the
Mad store Ted Hendricks, Like, that's to me, that's I
want somebody that is just that instills fear in the
heart of anybody that chooses to cross the middle of
the field. And that's exactly what he did for I mean,

(01:06:47):
part of the reason that the main reason I'm a
Raiders fan. My dad was a Raiders fan. You know,
we watched the game every Sunday and split a dozen
donuts And there's just this element of like part of
why my dad's a Raiders fan is because of Ted Hendricks.
So like there's just certain guys that established not just
how they play the game, not just how the game
was played. Not only are they part of every highlight
reel you could ever imagine from hard hits, but also

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establish the identity of an organization for an entire generation
and for generations to come. Like there are still there
are Raiders fans today that are influenced even if they
don't know it, by the play Aten Hendrick. So he
goes on my list.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
How great a nickname is the mad Stork, right?

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
I mean think, I mean think about that fire, not
just the Stork, the mad Stork, right, Like he's out
of his mind. It's the stork that is touched in
the head like that is awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:07:39):
Man.

Speaker 5 (01:07:39):
Well, I mean you were talking about, like, you know guys,
you know positions they played back in the day. He
was he was six seven as a linebacker. Yeah, like
you to be a TB a defensive end. He'd be
an edge rusher today. You know, he was a stand
up linebacker right about.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
You are so right about that, just his body being
that much different. You're right, it's and that was also
freakish for anybody to try and block, like a yeah, absolutely,
I don't even know what the equivalent like six to
seven back then is the equivalent being seven something now,
So absolutely incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:08:10):
Yeah, that's wild, figgie.

Speaker 5 (01:08:13):
So I'm gonna go and stick with the defensive theme
here as well. Saw a little bit of him on
the back end of his career, but I was still
young at the time. And that's Lawrence Taylor that I
mean basically made the left tackle the second most important
position on a football team single handedly because the San
Francisco forty nine ers and Bill Wallace said, like, we're
not gonna win a game. I win a playoff game

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if we can't block this guy, and it still didn't matter,
and he'd come in. Look his his party days and
all that are well documented. But this guy, he told me.
You know, our locals show a story about how he
came straight back from the Strip club one night. He
and his limo driver were driving by the Giant Stadium
and he says, what the hell's going on there tonight?

(01:08:53):
They pulled in, He ran into Parcels in the hallway,
and Parcels said, well, you're gonna get dressed for tonight
or what? They had a game playing Sunday night football.
He didn't even know, And he went out and had
four sacks that night and they won.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
How nuts is?

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
How insane is that he didn't even know there was
a game? He said, And he was at this trip
club all night, hadn't slept, and just rolled right to
the stadium, had to be happened to be driving by
and thought, oh oh there's a game going on all right,
I guess I'll suit up.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (01:09:22):
Just incredible freak of nature, crazy athlete, the only the
last defensive player to win League MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:09:30):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:09:30):
He would have been incredible for me to be conscious,
you know, now with the understanding that I have of
the game of football now to actually see him and
appreciate the kind of player that he was totally totally interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:09:44):
Yeah, interesting how you guys go all four of your
players on.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
Defense honestly, Like, hey, we've seen everything on the offensive
side of the ball now, so like I just if
I'm an go back and watch Politnic, Coffin and Branch
like that's yes, it's amazing, But is it really better
than you know, one handed obj I I don't know.
I don't know, but I know for I know for

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sure that if you give me these guys, these guys
on the defensive side of the ball, what they're gonna
do if I'm going to go back and watch him,
is just going to be So that's why I loved
your running back pick. Like I think you know, when
you when you see what we can't see any more
to that same level, it just hits different.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
Well, like the offensive player that I would pick is
Jim Brown just because of because of how big he was,
because of how fast he was. You know, he'd be
the one offensive player from back in the day that
I'd say, I want to be able to see and
I want to be able to see him play in
this era, and there's no doubt that he'd be just
as good and just as dominant because he was an athletic,
freaking nature back then.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I My only, my only counter to that would be
and I'm talking about the football player, not the human being.

Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
But oh yes, always go back and watch.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
No doubt O Jay would be on my list. It's
just I don't watch the way that looked.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You know, listen, he crossed my mind. I was thinking
for my third player. And you know, it's funny because
like Ojy was, I mean, imagine two thousand yards, imagine
that you were the whole team's offense. And you know,
we think about today, right, and the injuries that happened today, right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
I mean, those guys carried the ball.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Now, it's sure shof LIFs, but they carried the ball
thirty times a.

Speaker 5 (01:11:30):
Game, like four hundred times a season. And by the way,
oh Jay's two thousand yards season, I think it was
a fourteen game season. Yes, yeah, that makes it even
more incredible. Yeah, and he was returning kicks at times too,
like he was doing everything.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
Yeah, what what was it that those guys?

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I mean, they were injuries, but they were but there
wasn't a lot of soft tissue injuries back then. And
I guess because the game wasn't It's fast, but you know,
there's not as much. You know, guys got hurt. When
the guys got hurt, then it was broken bones, broken hand,
broken leg, Like that's how they that's how they missed time.

Speaker 5 (01:12:12):
You didn't get a lot of hamstring polls and you
know stuff like that. You know, at least you didn't
get those that kept guys out of games. You know,
I'll say that, No, they just played through it again.

Speaker 4 (01:12:22):
It was such a less it was such a less
explosive game, right. I just wondered, like the wear and tear,
because we talked earlier about how legs were scrawny then,
but the wear and tear on knees and hammies and
calves and feet, for the way the game is played
explosively now, when you think about how fast everybody is,
I just I just have to wonder if that plays
a part in all of it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:41):
Yeah, usually when you get players who are tearing acls
or I'll think of like the NBA Achilles. You can
think of someone like Dominique Wilkins. It's explosive players, Derek Rose,
Guys who play like that, and to your point, fits
like in every sport, football and basketball especially now, everybody
everything is so predicated on being fast, explosive, quick twitch.
It wasn't and emphasis wasn't a focus. I don't even

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know if the guys were just talented enough, like our
good enough athletes back then for that to be a
major issue. So that's a good point.

Speaker 4 (01:13:08):
But I do want to say quickly to that every
time somebody says, well, Michael couldn't have played in this
era or Lebron couldn't have played in that era. Anytime
I hear that, the one thing I remind everybody is
look back at the past. Every single era, athletes have
taken advantage of the best training that they have to
be the best version of themselves that they can be.
So I would presume that any of the players we're
talking about in today's era would be able to just

(01:13:31):
morph their bodies just like athletes can. And if these
athletes had played in that era, they would have bulked
up just the way they were.

Speaker 5 (01:13:37):
A thousand percent agree.

Speaker 3 (01:13:39):
Yeah, yeah, I'm with you guys. All right, let's say
quick too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Will come right back The next thing on what you
think about is I'm going to give you, guys, you
could have any quarterback, any era, obviously modern day or
anything you want. You could take one running back, two receivers,

(01:14:02):
and one tight end. So you get to build your
own dynamic five. So start sketching your dynamic five. One quarterback,
two receivers, one back, one tight end. Were the fellas

(01:14:23):
hang it out right here Fox Sports Radio fellas Jason
fitz Kevin figures, I'm Anthony Gargana. Uh, before we get
back to you're gonna build your perfect five, your offensive five,

(01:14:44):
because we're doing uh with football back I'm doing.

Speaker 3 (01:14:47):
I have a bunch of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
Uh that false star, our love of the game, and
I want your perfect five quarterback, running back, two receivers,
and a tight end. So it's your old five. We're
gonna do that and coming out. But first, I want
to get to Olympics for a second, and I want
the stories that have stood out to you this so far.

(01:15:12):
With the Olympics fits he what stood out to you
so far?

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
I think the most incredible thing with Leon Marshaan doing
what he's doing in front of the home crowd and
to hear that crowd. Like we all watch swimming every
year in the Olympics, we always see what it looks like.
But to hear the crowd pulse with him as his
head comes out of the water is one of the
coolest things that I've ever experienced. I was lucky enough

(01:15:37):
in twenty sixteen I was in Rio, I was in
the room when Phelps set the record. I think there's
a magic to swimming live that I don't know that
really gets captured on TV as much. But watching Marshawn
do what he is doing in front of the home
crowd particularly has been I think one of the most
incredible Olympic memories, frankly, I've ever seen. So it makes
me even more excited for what LA is going to

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be like a few years when we have the opportunity
then to really see the best of sort of what
we can be with our country. So I think it's
really incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:16:09):
Big.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I just think the fervor around the Olympics as a whole,
the fact that Biles is back, you know, after what
happened to her, and you know Tokyo a few years ago,
and how well she and the gymnastics team is performing,
and just the excitement and the exposure we talked about
before the Olympics started and how you know, maybe it's
lost its luster a little bit. It's not as popular,
do people really care that much? And its TV ratings

(01:16:33):
have been through the roof. Now, granted it's summer, a
lot of people are off, kids are at home from school,
and it's a lot of the events are on at
a reasonable time. You're talking mid day East Coast time
and you know, somewhat mid morning ish in the West Coast,
and there's a little bit more of a time difference
when it comes to Tokyo and some other places. So
maybe that has something to do with it. But for
a lot of people who thought the Olympics had lost

(01:16:54):
its luster overall, I think it's kind of showing, you know,
non pandemic year somewhat back to normal and from the
United States standpoint, at least in somewhat digestible in a
reasonable time for us to be able to view it.
The Olympics is just as popular as it's ever been.
And I think that's great. That's an encouraging thing, and
that's a good sign. With the Olympics coming to Los

(01:17:14):
Angeles in twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Yeah, it's so cool.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I'm with you, Katie Ledecki and Simone Biles. The shot
of Katie Ladecci where she looks like she's alone in
the pool, that's unbelievable, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:17:35):
Simone Biles, who I just adore.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
I just think she's such a special, incredible gymnast, incredible athlete,
and I love her as a woman in which she does.
I just think she's awesome. Like those two to me
have stood out as the highlights of the Olympics. The

(01:17:59):
low light. I mean that the biggest disgrace ever. Shocked
that that allowed to happen, that person who failed the test,
the gender test and then beat up the Italian woman.

Speaker 3 (01:18:17):
I mean, you can't have that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
But it's complicated because that person was I mean, to
be fair, that person was born of a woman and
has been a woman in their entire life. They have
a chromosome anomaly, they.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Have a genetic defect.

Speaker 11 (01:18:30):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:18:30):
So it's it's an interesting because where's the line on that, Like,
you know, frankly, this isn't a lot of people just
coming right in and saying, you know that it was
a man that was choosing to compete in rhyme in sports.
That's just a misrepresentation of what this is. So it
gets really like to me, it gets really complicated because frankly,
they're within the guidelines. Everything was done the right way,

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and it's a genetic anomaly, not you know, not someone
that's trying to cheat.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
I get it, and like I listen, we've seen the
other side with that wall is when it came to swimming,
which I thought was a disgrace.

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
But unfortunately you can't have that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
It's it's not fair. It's not fair to it's not
fair to women. I know it's complicated, and I understand
that it's a genetic defect, but you can't you can't compete,
not if you not if you had that kind of
that kind.

Speaker 4 (01:19:26):
Of what you just tell them there was a woman
like that is like this isn't this isn't even a
like this isn't a transitioning or like I understand that
the there's it's a really complex issue when it comes
to what to do, uh in in sports in general.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
But this one it becomes it becomes a safety like
it becomes a safety issue.

Speaker 5 (01:19:46):
Right well, I mean there's I mean, there are advantages
a certain athlete that certain male athletes have other other
male athletes. Are we saying that Lebron can't compete in
the same NBA that John Stotton competed in because he
has a better you know, athletic gene genealogy, which he
probably did if you did deep enough. I don't know
how that would apply.

Speaker 3 (01:20:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:03):
I got I gotta tell you, I I like it felt.
It felt like a man versus a woman. Like that's
the this issue. This woman has lost.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
I mean, she's been maybe slightly above average would be
the way to put it. She's lost to other women.
She's like Mike Tyson knocking people out left and right.
Maybe maybe the conversation is different if that's the case,
But that's not even close to being the case.

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
I know, I look at the sheer power of the
punch and I cringe. Where the fellas hanging out right here?

Speaker 3 (01:20:35):
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beginning of college football, and then shortly thereafter we'll have
a NFL kickoff. So it's uh, it's coming fast like
a freight train. Hey, fellas, I know, I think we
all we love like hanging out every Saturday morning, and
it's like you feel amongst family.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
So I have it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
I have I need you guys because I'm scared. So
I yeah, obviously I'm from Philadelphia if you listen to
the show, and I'm an Eagle guy, right, Phillies, flyers, sixers,
the whole thing. So the Eagles are coming off of

(01:22:19):
an epic collapse right like, let's face it, they were
ten and one, the team in the NFC. They beat
the Chiefs on the road. The Dolphins the Bills. They're
like cowboys. They smoked right, like, they beat everybody. They
were ten and one, and then they collapsed, epic, epic

(01:22:41):
collapse to the point where they got beaten by the
lowly giants, the Seahawks. Right, they got smashed by the
Buccaneers in the playoffs, sash by the Buccaneers. It was
an epic fall off the table collapse. Well, the Phillies

(01:23:02):
had the best record in baseball roll over the first
half of the season, and they have now lost six
straight series. And they were down eight nothing after three innings.

Speaker 3 (01:23:19):
I'm starting to freak out.

Speaker 4 (01:23:23):
Look, I don't blame you on that one. Like, honestly,
I think that's got Like, Look, I'm not saying that
you need to freak out, but there is some level
of man, didn't we just live this as a fan
base that I think absolutely Like what you're I understand
where the fear is coming from. My friend, I don't know, Like,
you just need to see something. A little bit of
good has to happen here, because a little bit of
good will go a long way.

Speaker 5 (01:23:43):
Yeah, and me from you know, two thousand miles away,
I'm saying, like, hey, you know, you're hitting a rough
spot in the season. Sometimes these things happen for a
number of different reasons. They're still have a healthy lead.
I think they're still what five to six games up
in the division at this point in.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
Time, So it were up double did they were?

Speaker 4 (01:24:00):
They were?

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
And to see the problem is you're comparing this to
what happened to the Eagles last year too. So if
you just take these two things independent of each other,
if the Eagles had a great year last year and
they just lost in the NFC Tile Game and things
didn't work out, maybe you be encapsulated a little bit differently.
I'm not saying that there shouldn't be any concern, but
I'll say it's August third, So you much rather the

(01:24:22):
Phillies work out whatever they need to work through now
than on September twentieth, you know what I mean. Actually,
I've got.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
A reason for you to hope. Cousin it has known
you not for a year. I can tell you this.
I sat with you on air every weekend and we
talked about the Eagles, right, and you felt it when
the Eagles were the ten and one, you felt it right.
Then You're like, yeah, but it's not the right ten
and one like you saw that from a mile away,

(01:24:49):
you haven't had that same trepidation so far. So like,
you know, you're smart when you take your when you
put your your emotion out of it and your head
into it, which you do a great job of doing
all the Eagles thing before most people did. But I
would say that you know the fact that you haven't
had that same trepidation with the Phillies.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Means something except down start and why because they're pitching.
I go, they have been right. They're pitch is starting
to leak oil. They're starting, they're starting rotation. It's funny,
I say to my audience, because I'm the kind of
voice of reason in the sense, well, you know, it's

(01:25:29):
August and you're gonna go through funks and it's one
hundred and sixty two games. Blah blah, blah's baseball. But
I love what the Dodgers did getting Flaherty. They're going
to get healthy rotation wise, So figure your boys are
kind of in a good spot there.

Speaker 5 (01:25:48):
In some senses. Yes, I mean, you know, getting healthy
is one thing. Will they be effective once they are healthy,
because some of these guys were not even when they
were So there's a lot of question marks arounding the Dodgers,
even though they have some better health on horizon here
in the coming weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:26:02):
I love what the Padres did.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
I have a super pen now staying aggressive.

Speaker 2 (01:26:05):
Man, They're they're frightening. Uh, they're starting to hit the
ball too. They're gonna get tattoos back. Ye, so they're scary.
So it's just interesting parallel that you know, we saw
the eagles fall off the table and fell off, because
I do know it's an interesting story that's going on
now because people are like freaking out in my town

(01:26:26):
because they're going, oh my god, like what happened? You
were rolling like it was every night. They were just
pounded teams at citizens Back.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
Park, And now all the sudden they're like in this
free fall.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
I got, I gotta my buddy touch sent me to
petty free fall. And the other day he goes, I
just I don't even I got didn't talk to him,
I just got the petty free falling, and I go,
he's watching the Phillies because they just lost. They got
swept by the yank It was funny.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Uh, that's hysterical. And by the way, too, still a
hero on this show because it's such a cool nickname.
I'm just gonna say.

Speaker 3 (01:27:11):
So, all right, a couple of things.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
I want to ask you guys this because the NFL
Network did its top one hundred players, and I just
say one thing, like, I think Tyreek Hill is great
and he's the number one overall player, and I think
it's fine. I'm sorry, nobody's better than Patrick Mahomes. He

(01:27:36):
should be number one, there's not even a question in
my mind. And he's number four. And listen, I love Lamar.
I think he's dynamic. I like McCaffrey, and I you know,
Tyreek Hill is a complete game changer.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
They ain't better than Mahomes.

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
This is the normalization of greatness That makes me sick.
Like at some point we just get used to seeing
Mahomes do what Mahomes does, so then it's like, oh, yeah, Mahomes,
Yeah he's fine. His number four is fine. Like we
spent all last year saying this Chiefs team is not
good enough to win a Super Bowl. And then one
guy like, look, I if you take Tyreek Kill off

(01:28:18):
that offense, sure it has an impact. I'm not saying
it doesn't. But if you take Patrick Mahomes out of
the chiefs offense. Good God, then everything changes and we
all know that. So I just don't. I don't understand
this at all. I didn't. I thought when I saw
it it was stupid. It felt like it was clickbaity.
It feels like they're just trying to make people react
to it on social media, and I don't want to
be treated like I'm stupid. So I just I hated

(01:28:40):
everything about it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:40):
That's one hundred percent what it is. Fits they want
to get people to talk about it. How can you
leave Patrick Mahomes that far down the list they're trying
to draw attention to it, because that's really the only
justifiable reason. How can you pull Lamar Jackson, who hasn't
won a playoff game in front of him? How in
what world do you do that?

Speaker 12 (01:28:58):
I mean, it's in sane. Christian McCaffrey, it was a
great player. I love Christian, I love Lamar. Tyreek Hill. Yeah,
if I had an MVP vote last year, I would
have given it to Tyreek Hill. I said it on
the show.

Speaker 5 (01:29:10):
He's not I think he's that dominant, but he's not
the best player in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
It's not even It's like and it's interesting. It's not
even closed that was on a.

Speaker 5 (01:29:18):
Super Bowl without him? What it's talking about here?

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Everybody was like, there's no way in the world they
could win without Tyreek Hill.

Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Oh yeah, I mean Jay right back after he left
and won, I mean twice, by the way, twice, right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:34):
Twice they won two Super Bowls without him, and last
year they won without a receiver.

Speaker 5 (01:29:41):
Basically, right, I mean what was a joke with the
whole talk was all the drops, Yeah, all the receivers
dropping balls left and right.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Oh, I got the ball being on the money that
Patrick Mahomes. It's unbelievable in twenty twenty four when we
are like hypes on steroids in twenty twenty four, right,
Like it's just amplified to the nth degree. And Patrick

(01:30:09):
Mahomes is underrated? How in the world is he underrated?
He is a great dude, Like tremendous a dude. Like
you talk to anybody on the Chiefs, any coach, I
talk to those guys.

Speaker 3 (01:30:29):
They love him. He does all the right things.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
He's a great role model, do everything, teammate selfless, and
he's the best player by far.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
He's a magician. How is he underrated? How do we
how could he possibly be underrated?

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
He is? He is because if they put out the
list of Mahomes's number one, nobody talks about it, and like,
I don't want to be j on it, but that's
got to be the only reason. Just think about it.
If I if I went to every single person listening
right now and said, got to take off this.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
The the players vote on this, vote on this, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:31:11):
Yeah, yeah, I don't I will believe. Look supposedly America
votes on American Idol too, But all I'll tell you is,
is it an accident that the same guy that runs
American Idol never had two conflicting acts year in and
year out?

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
Like? Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
We think America is so varied that in the beginning,
the same record label, the same executive is running the show,
and you get one year, You're like, oh it's country girl,
Now it's a pop girl. Now it's a gospel guy.
Oh my gosh. I built a whole record label worth
of acts that don't compete each other against each other,
And America did that for me. Though I don't. I
don't give a damn until they show me the player voting.

(01:31:46):
I don't believe any of it. I'm a conspiracy theorist
on this one thing.

Speaker 5 (01:31:49):
It makes sense to me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:50):
No, no, I figure spot on.

Speaker 2 (01:31:52):
But like, forget to list for a second, It's true,
he's under appreciated. Patrick Mahomes is underappreciating other how cony,
how is that possible he is? It's a disgrace.

Speaker 4 (01:32:10):
I think right now it's pretty clear that Patrick Mahomes
is on the path too. I'm not gonna say today
he is, but it's on the path to becoming the
best quarterback, the greatest quarterback in NFL history.

Speaker 5 (01:32:19):
Yes, he has an argument already.

Speaker 4 (01:32:22):
You're not wrong. I would I would agree that. I
would say he's in the discussion already. I think it's
gonna be clear cut in the next few years that
that's exactly who he is. And to think that we
are sitting here in an era where we are watching
possibly the best that's ever done it, and you're gonna
tell me that like players are looking around and not.
I don't understand that. I just don't understand it because

(01:32:44):
it's this is not a system. I understand why we
want to rock pretty doubters. I understand at least where
they're coming from. I understand where Cowboys doubters at least
are coming from I do not understand how anybody can
look at Patrick Mahomes and not see that he is
basic superman. He is all of the He's the whole
Marvel Universe in one because without him, the Chiefs are

(01:33:06):
literally nothing I do.

Speaker 3 (01:33:09):
That's well said.

Speaker 5 (01:33:10):
I mean there's no I mean if you he could
retire right now after seven years, and he'd be a
first ballot Hall of Famer without question, nobody would think
twice about it.

Speaker 3 (01:33:18):
Yeah, I retire today.

Speaker 4 (01:33:20):
The party I would throw if Patrick Mahomes announced today
he's retiring, I would like I'd empty the bank account
there would be the Mother of Connecticut would never be
the same because I'd actually have a hope at that point,
Like there is some level of I understand how Jets Bills,
how are they all of the Dolphins?

Speaker 5 (01:33:37):
The Dolphins years?

Speaker 4 (01:33:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand how they all felt, because
you just want to curl in a ball and give
up on football every single year when you're taking on
Tom Brady in his prime. That's how I feel about
Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes together. So the two of
them could do me a favor and decide they don't
love the game and retire today. It would change my
entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:33:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he like I listen obviously, Brady Longevity
enough said, but I think Mahomes is better.

Speaker 3 (01:34:03):
I mean, this is like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:07):
Taking Hill away from him and seeing what he's done
the last two years. The only thing he hasn't been
able to overcome, and he overcame it up to the
Super Bowl was going into a season with no tackles.

Speaker 5 (01:34:22):
Yeah, and by the time they got to the Super
Bowl against Tampa Bay, he was on like his fourth
and fifth offensive tackles or whatever it was. I mean,
nobody had a hope at that point. It didn't matter
who you were.

Speaker 2 (01:34:31):
But he still got to the Super Bowl. Correctated to
the Super Bowl with deep roster tackles both sides.

Speaker 5 (01:34:41):
You know how things get lost by the way, so
you realize he could have gone to another Super Bowl.
I believe his first season when they played at the
New England Patriots. This is the other Patriots beat the
Rams in the Super Bowl and it was a low
scoring and time hit Gronk and they had the one
touchdown at the very end. But if you remember the
defensive end for the Chie he's lined up off sides

(01:35:01):
and Tom Brady throw an interception.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
Yeah, he would have gone to another super Bowl and
it's possible that Chiefs would have beaten the Rams. I
mean he would have had another super Bowl under his
belt there, Yeah, I mean it's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
Yeah, his run is Can we can we also talk
about how he is as a guy?

Speaker 3 (01:35:22):
Yeah, like we always.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
Listen, you know, we're the first as a society to
rip people for being creeps and crumbs and the whole thing.
And I get it, there aren't. He's a good He's
a good dude. Like listen, I don't care what anybody says.
I talked to all that those two Andy Reid's bags,

(01:35:44):
to all those guys. They just talk about how grounded
he is, how special he is as a leader and
a teammate and all those other intangibles that we talk
about with football.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
He's the most skilled, but he does all the other
stuff and and and it's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:05):
Amazing, right, all these quarterback contracts come out and all
these kids that are getting paid that had no business
paid the highest paid quarterback?

Speaker 3 (01:36:14):
Right, do you hear a peep out of Mahomes?

Speaker 7 (01:36:18):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:36:18):
He basically said, hell, he get it. Worked out when
he gets worked out. You know, he's not even worried
about it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:36:24):
She was asked specifically, do you feel like you're underpaid?
And he said no, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:29):
Can we take a moment just to celebrate somebody that special,
that has that that's putting just and righteousness out. I'm sorry,
I like, like I have as a father of two
boys who play football.

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
You how many times I talk about Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
I mean, that's how you act, That's how you purport
yourself in public.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
Now, if this is truly a player poll, maybe it's
one of those with the players just that fatigue, and
I'm tired of saying, you know, Patrick Mahomes, he's kicking
my ass every single year. I want to knock him
down a pick or two for whatever it means. You know,
I'm more in line with Fitz is that a lot
of this stuff is manufactured by whoever the powers that
be might be. But I can also see if this

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truly is indeed a player dominated pole, I can see
where the players would say, yeah, I'm tired of Pat,
I'll put somebody else up there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:25):
I know, I just wanted to be honest with the pulse.
You know, the polls, the poll, But I really just
wanted to to Lord Mahomes for being who he is.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
I just I love that dude, man, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:37:42):
I just respect him to no end as not only
greatness of the position, the most important position in all sports,
the whole thing. But he's just he's the perfect athlete.
It's like, you know, it's funny, it's amazing. But Lebron's
that way too. I don't care where you say you

(01:38:04):
like him, don't like him, or whatever. You know, you
want to talk about doing the right thing. I mean,
Lebron does the right thing all the time. Yeah, he
does great dad the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:38:15):
And I don't believe that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Listen, it's modern day and we go by social media,
so this is how it's. You know, he's out there
on social media and this is what he does. I
don't it's not an act. I believe in the guy.
I hit the guy, and I'm an MJ guy, right,
you know that. But I'm sorry when it comes to

(01:38:37):
doing things the right way, that Lebron's is the top.

Speaker 5 (01:38:41):
I mean, even what I do think there are some
things that he does are a little self serving, but
I'm willing to overlook all that stuff for all the
other stuff, you know benefits.

Speaker 4 (01:38:49):
I mean, look, you can be a little self serving
when you're also providing education the kids all over, and
you're helping the world be a better place, and you're
also creating business opportunities for young entrepreneurs. Like there there's
a little level of it, Like we may not like
that he sits and I'm gonna take my talents to Miami,
But does that outweigh the good that he's done in
communities he's been in over the years. God, No, Like,
so's you're one thousand percent right about that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
Yeah, I just I that's really important to me.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
So at Mahomes, Mahomes is the best because he's not
even you know, you could say Lebron's polished and the
whole thing. Mahomes still has that kind of all shucks
thing about it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
I kind of like the dorky like thing going, which
is fine and it works.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
I don't think he's even on social media. If anything,
it was he was his wife and his brother back
in the day that he was annoyed, but them doing
TikTok videos and all that stuff, Like he shines away
from all of that. He just wants to play. I
respect the hot ball for that bad Yeah he is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:45):
He's he's the best.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Uh, just to round up the top ten of that list,
so you know, Miles Garrett comes in at number five,
Chris Jones comes in at number six, Trent Williams at
number seven, t J Watt at eight, Travis Kelcey nine,

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and Max Crosby comes in at ten.

Speaker 3 (01:40:15):
Man, man, I love Crosby.

Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
That's gonna be that's gonna be fuel in his belly.
I'll take it all day long.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
Yeah, he's the He's another one. I love that dude.
That dude's about achievement. He's, uh, you have to sitway
a bunch of times. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:30):
I mean Max and I are buddies and and so
I you know, humble brack. But I will say this,
like I remember talking to him when we were getting tattoos.
I remember talking to him. He had just signed his
mega deal. He went into work the next day at
five in the morning because that's what his routine is,
and he's like, man, I haven't done anything yet. I
just got paid, that's all. And there's there's a there's
just a level of every time I talk to him,

(01:40:52):
every time I catch up with him. He's just he's
the sort of guy that works his tail off but
then also makes you want to work harder in the process.
To talk some five minutes with Max and you realize
that you've got more in your tank and you should
spend more of your energy bettering yourself. Like that's just
so rare to see. That's just his energy.

Speaker 5 (01:41:07):
But he's an example of a guy that had to
fight for everything that he got. You know, low round
draft pick, went to a small school, didn't get recruited. Yeah,
one of those classic stories.

Speaker 2 (01:41:17):
Yeah, yeah, great story, great story. All right, guys, are
you working on your five?

Speaker 5 (01:41:22):
I got my five?

Speaker 7 (01:41:23):
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Speaker 4 (01:41:24):
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(01:43:20):
to have a bunch of questions to mess around with
little exercises. This is offense, and so I will allow
you to construct, to construct your best five quarterback, two receivers,
tight end, and running back. All right, I'll start position

(01:43:46):
by position, FITZI, who's your quarterback?

Speaker 4 (01:43:51):
So the quarterback was actually the toughest of all of them,
but I'm going to go back to so what I
want a quarterback. I want somebody that I know can
make every throw. I want somebody I know that can
make every throw off schedule. I want somebody I know
that has ice in their veins that can save me
if everything's done. And I want somebody in the modern
NFL that's mobile enough to do some damage. So I

(01:44:13):
am going with John Elway.

Speaker 3 (01:44:15):
John Elway, John Away quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:44:18):
All Right, I can break my heart too many times.
I want somebody. Two minutes left in the game, it
was between Montana and Alway for me, and I went
Olway because I want the mobility that Lway can bring
me also running around to let some of my guys
get wide open.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
So you get the clutch gene you got. He was strung,
he had a big arm, and he was mobile. You know,
it's interesting because he was I mean, and he was
thick too, Like he was tough, yep, tough to bring down,
and he had a rocket of an arm. As great
an athlete was he was a great thrower too. So
that's a great choice, all right, figure, who's your quarterback?

Speaker 5 (01:44:57):
So I seriously considered Joe Montana as well, but for
all of the reasons that Fits gave in his decision
to take John Elway. Is why I selected the guy
that I selected, someone who can make every single throw
in the pocket, out of the pocket, can make plays
on the run with his legs. I'm deciding to go
with the modern pick, and I'm going with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
Yeah, I would have went Mahomes too, Okay, Yeah, I
love Elway too.

Speaker 5 (01:45:21):
I like you too, and would would have been third,
to be honest, probably behind Montana for me, So I.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Would have went I would have met Mahomes. I still think,
you know, Brady Uh Marino.

Speaker 5 (01:45:35):
Marino was up there in my mind choices. Marina was
just more of a statue, uh working against him a
little bit for me, he was.

Speaker 3 (01:45:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
No, And listen, that's why Elway, of all the Yesterday quarterbacks. Yeah,
Elway probably is the best choice for.

Speaker 5 (01:45:51):
The for today's game. I would agree with that. Yeah,
he could move, I mean strol and he had the
big arm.

Speaker 2 (01:45:57):
So se I like the fact that you guys went
and that way both directions because I like both those picks.
All right, I'll go with the least sexy tight end
FITSI mmmm.

Speaker 4 (01:46:13):
So, you guys, I'll probably get killed for this for
recency bias, But this was a really tough one for me.
But I'm gonna go Kelsey. I'm just like, I want
somebody that can beat you a million different ways. I'm
gonna go Kelsey. It was between Gronk and Kelsey. And
maybe I'm too in my fields with Kelsey right now
and how good he is, but I'll go Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (01:46:30):
All right, Kelsey, how about you?

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
Fig So this was the toughest one for me because
I wanted a guy that I know can make plays,
who's also clutch but could also block a little bit,
and that eliminates a few guys like I had Antonio
Gates on the list, but he was more of a
receivering type, you know. So I liked Kelsey, but I
actually ended up going with Gronk. Gronk played biggest in
the biggest games and was an underrated blocker, probably one

(01:46:55):
of the best blocking tight ends who was also a
dynamic receiver whoever played the BASSI.

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Yeah, I would have went Gronk too. Listened, Kelsey. Nobody
could kill you Fitzy for going Kelsey. Right, yeah, you
know means great.

Speaker 4 (01:47:09):
Well, I think I think he's a great player. But
we do all think of Gronk and it was it
was a tough one for me. But yeah, I'll stand
on my Kelsey.

Speaker 2 (01:47:15):
Pick no, no, listen, it's good, it's good, all right, Uh,
give me one of your receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:47:24):
Yeah, I mean this, this is this was one of
This was the easiest. The two receivers were the first
two things I had said.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Give Rice, give you one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:32):
I'ly give you one. I'll give you Jerry Rice. Jerry
Rice one hundred percent. Like there was just that wasn't
even a conversation. Like when you said pick two receivers,
I'm like, yep, got Rice. There we go. So yeah,
I'll start with Jerry Rice.

Speaker 3 (01:47:43):
Do you have Rice on yours?

Speaker 4 (01:47:46):
I did?

Speaker 5 (01:47:46):
But also what other options? Because I knew there was
a possibility that he would not be available, so.

Speaker 4 (01:47:51):
Well, we were not snake drafting him.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
We were not, but you know, and I guess we
could double up if we wanted to. But for the
sake of being a little bit different, I had I
would have potentially had right, and I definitely would have
had Randy Moss.

Speaker 4 (01:48:02):
Now let's say you I went Rice and Moss.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
With you went Rice and Moss.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
All right, So let's says so you you get Rice,
Fitzy get Rice, figure gets Moss, right, all right, Now
you got to come up with your second receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:48:20):
Yeah, no, i'd look, I'm going to be a complete
homer and my favorite receiver in my life is Tim Brown.
So I'm taking Tim Brown. And I don't really give
a damn what anybody thinks about that.

Speaker 5 (01:48:27):
You know, I like you, I love that, I respect it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
I'm recreating the eraror that I loved of Raiders football.
So that's that's happening, right.

Speaker 5 (01:48:35):
So, and then the way that I think of it
as far as like building a team. So I got
a guy that Moss that can hit you deep. Rice
would have been my guy that can hit you short
and then take it take it to the house. So
the other option, if I didn't have Rice, would have
been Larry Fitzgerald so interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:48:50):
Would you take Hill?

Speaker 5 (01:48:52):
Because I love him, I can't take everybody, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:56):
Well, I'm saying Hill and Moss, because well, Moss could
go deep. Moss also had great size he.

Speaker 5 (01:49:03):
Did, which is what kind of the advantage he has
over Tyreek for me?

Speaker 2 (01:49:07):
And you could go short with Tyreek and along with Tyreek, right,
real short.

Speaker 3 (01:49:12):
Well, I had to go medium with Moss.

Speaker 5 (01:49:15):
That was the Now. The drawback on Moss, especially early
in his career in Minnesota, was that all he ever
did was run out field. He didn't run short. When
he got to New England, I encourage people to go
back and watch he ran a much more sophisticated routrey
in New England. Yes, he had d balls, for sure.
He wouldn't go over the middle. He would catch slants
and go take it to the house. He wasn't just
a one trick pony.

Speaker 4 (01:49:36):
I was just happy he actually ran routes when he
got to New England. The year he mailed in and look,
I'm not saying anything I haven't said to Randy Moss,
but like, I don't know, like I got for me
for my money, I know you're you're arguably the best
that's ever done it, and you may arguably be the
best that ever does it. But I don't like my
Hall of famers mailing in the whole season just because
they didn't like their situation.

Speaker 5 (01:49:56):
And the cold part about it is he mailed in
that season and still came just shy if a thousand
yards receiving. And that's the year he wasn't even trying,
didn't even ut.

Speaker 4 (01:50:04):
He was just standing there at the snap and be like, no,
I'm not doing this, isn't And he was right, his
logic was right, But I don't know, like.

Speaker 5 (01:50:10):
Well, it's just not you know, demand to trade if
you're going to do that. We've we've all of us
have had these sorts of discussions about mosson his tenure
in Oakland. Specifically, we don't have to rehash that part,
but just the talent the player, especially when he was engaged.
I mean, I couldn't you couldn't find a more unstoppable
receiver than Randy Moss.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
Yeah yeah, uh, Fitzgerald definitely an underrated.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
He's an all time great. And I don't know if
it's because he played in Arizona or what.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
Yeah, but I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
I didn't have it never had the quarterback to go
with him, Warner.

Speaker 5 (01:50:43):
For a while he had Warner on the back end.
But I mean a lot of it. You know, Matt
Lioner in and out of the lineup, a bunch of
other cats on the back end of his career.

Speaker 3 (01:50:52):
Imagine if he's got a my homes.

Speaker 5 (01:50:54):
Right right and still one of the top, you know,
three leading receivers in every category. What was I tell you?

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Yeah he was. He was amazingly special. All right, So
give me your running back, FITZI.

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
Barry Sanders. I mean, like, so now I've given you
this offense that is just going to be able to
run around. You're not going to be able to tackle anybody,
and I'm gonna win a bunch of football games to that.
Like I got l Way handing off to Barry Sanders.
And at the same time, if he doesn't like what
he's got there, he runs around, he finds Kelsey. If
he doesn't like what he's got there, he's got two
receivers that can get open anywhere. I know, I don't

(01:51:33):
have a lot of depth in this, but I'll take Jerry.
I've got early Jerry Rice where he's still ran deep.
That's that's the only constantly surprise I can get myself.

Speaker 3 (01:51:41):
No, I mean that's a good squad. Yeah, so it's
arguing against that's a good squad. Figure who you got.

Speaker 5 (01:51:46):
I'm sticking with my versatility, So I want it Gronk
because he's a great receiver and a great blocker. I
wanted someone who, if I needed him to, I probably
wouldn't block a little bit, catch the ball out of
the back foot a little bit, and be a dynamic runner.
And I picked Marcus Allen. Marc is Alan Wow made
a Pro Bowl as a fullback when he was feuding
with Al Davis, and Al took Bo Jackson that you'll

(01:52:09):
move the full back, all right, I'll blow some cats
up in the hole, catch some balls out of the backfield,
and ball out at full back two. One of the
great athletes to ever play.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
He had one of the most amazing plays I'll ever
oh ever, think it's indelible in my mind.

Speaker 5 (01:52:25):
The epic cutback against Washington in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Yes, right, I remember being a kid and I was
like I just I was a closic quasi. Everyone to
call it second team sympathizer.

Speaker 5 (01:52:41):
Sure. I think a lot of people as kids are
I was like a Raiders thip.

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
I like the Raiders as a kid to his day.

Speaker 2 (01:52:50):
When you guys talk like I root for the Raiders
now because of you, you guys like, I'd like to
have you guys be happy.

Speaker 5 (01:52:58):
And our guy a big link of course.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Well yeah, I was about to bring that up too,
like and having link and the whole thing, like, yeah,
so you know, I you know, the Raiders were always cool.
And we were kids, my cousin Joey and I, we
were always we always had that Raider you know.

Speaker 3 (01:53:15):
They were because you were a kid, you always.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
Have an AFC team that you kind of like and
root for, right, and that was always the Raiders.

Speaker 4 (01:53:23):
That was I think that was awesome, Like growing up
in that era. The Bears were just such a phenomenon
with Jim McMahon and Walter Payton and that like eighty
five Bears, like I found myself. I always had a
soft spot for the Bears when I was a kid.

Speaker 5 (01:53:37):
Yeah, for me, it was a little bit easier growing
up in Los Angeles. I had both the Rams and
the Raiders here. The Raiders were decent. The Rams were
balling early on, especially that was in the heyday of
Eric Dickerson.

Speaker 2 (01:53:47):
So, oh, man, Eric Dickerson, who is the quarterback you had?

Speaker 3 (01:53:52):
Uh? Who was his quarterback back? Then?

Speaker 5 (01:53:57):
Well he was forgettably tell you about the the likes
of guys like Dieter Brock and you know, people like
people like that. You know, it wasn't that. It wasn't
the heyday have great quarterback play for the Rams. Out
of his days was before Hayden, was before he got there.
Jim ever, and I think it was towards the back
end with him as well. But a lot of the

(01:54:19):
quarterbacks is really the big reason why he didn't play
with Jim Everett. But it was really road on the
back of avers a whole lot. I think Fara Gama
was in there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Yeah, wow, man, that's nuts, Like you think about that.
This is this is so much fun going down like
talking to all this football.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Uh. We got to take quick time out.

Speaker 2 (01:54:44):
But you know, in the honor of football being back,
I wanted to make our whole show.

Speaker 4 (01:54:49):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
And I got another couple of questions to hit you
guys with. But you guys did a great job on
the five man and loved it, absolutely loved it. Where
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the year has but gone.

Speaker 3 (01:55:08):
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I want three of them. Actually, I want two of them.

(01:55:40):
You can't have Belichick or Andy Reid. I want man
Or or Walsh. I gotta take him off of it too.
The two best, two best coaches that you like, and
the two dumbest. So I want the best and worst,
all right, but you can't have you know, you can't

(01:56:02):
have Read Belichick Walsh. Now I'm gonna take them off
the table parcels. So I got to do it with
kind of a bust out because it's too obvious, and
they give me the worst coaches because it struck me.

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
I was having this conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
We're looking at, you know, these teams, and we were
talking about like my town, about Sirianni and whether or
not he is just going to make it right, whether
or this is it like this is either he achieves
and they make a run the playoffs, or he's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:56:41):
And Bill Belichick's here. That's what it feels like.

Speaker 2 (01:56:45):
And so we were talking about these coaches and how
these good coaches makes a difference, Like is there any
doubt in your mind that Harball will succeed with the Chargers? Now,
I do believe that Herbert's going to be there. I
don't understand this talk about Herbert not being there. I
still think, uh that Herbert will be there. But there

(01:57:10):
is stupid.

Speaker 4 (01:57:11):
If Herbert wasn't going to be there, then why the
hell didn't need draft JJ For anybody that says Herbert
is gone that if that was the approach, they could
have gotten a king's Ransom form right now and they
could have JJ on a rookie deal.

Speaker 3 (01:57:26):
So Besidebert's ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:57:29):
This is just this is just people getting too smart
and too cute when they're watching the football situations going on,
like there is actual I am good at this in
life to a fault, But sometimes you have to take
all of your emotion out and simply use logic. Have
no heart to it, no opinion to it, just look
at it and say, how do the brick stack up?
And the brick stack up? Really easy for the Chargers
if they were going to move on from Justin Herbert.

(01:57:51):
Imagine the bounty of picks that they would have gotten,
players that they would have gotten, which would have accelerated
their entire process. They could have moved up in the
draft if they wanted to with Justin Herbert and gotten
whatever quarterback they wanted. So this opinion is just filling
a twenty four hour news cycle. Justin Herbert's not going anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Yeah, thank you. I thought it was absurd. There's no
way in the world. And yeah, I get Harball likes
to run the ball. He's also likes quarterbacks. It's one
of the other reasons why he went to the Chargers,
why the Chargers were a draw. The fact is, I
don't care what you think, oh Jim Harball does. He

(01:58:30):
also knows the NFL, and the NFL is different than
college and you can't overpower teams like like you can,
and Kyle's in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (01:58:41):
There's also like, what was the interview, like you know,
put yourself. I love the movie Elf, and I love
the scene in the movie Elf where they're trying to
figure out their new book and the two riders sitting
there and say, you know what we need to do.
We need to call somebody else right, And it's always
laugh at that because it's the way modern society goes.
I cannot imagine Harball sitting in the interview for the
Chargers job and saying, all right, step number one, let's

(01:59:02):
get rid of Justin Herbert and then start a full rebuild.

Speaker 3 (01:59:05):
Like there's no way.

Speaker 4 (01:59:06):
There's just no way that's happening.

Speaker 3 (01:59:09):
Yeah, it's stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:59:10):
Anyway, we were having these conversations about is there any
doubt in your mind that Harball wins?

Speaker 4 (01:59:17):
No, I don't think he wins this year, but I
think long.

Speaker 3 (01:59:19):
Term, well, yeah, I'm talking about real long term.

Speaker 4 (01:59:22):
I think he's gonna be great. I think they're gonna
be great for a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:59:26):
And the dispatterity between true competency from a coaching standpoint
and incompetent it's amazing the league because you have this
elite level and there is a true bottom level where
you can't get out of your own way.

Speaker 4 (01:59:48):
Yeah. I've got an easy pick for the worst coach
I've ever seen in my life, but I'll save it
for you. That's a tease right there. I get an
easy pick for the worst coach, but you're right, like
it is funny how we forget coach coordinator system and
match up with the players, Like these are the basics
that we should be thinking about, and we forget about
it every year when we start trying to figure out
who's gonna be good and who's going to be bad.

Speaker 5 (02:00:09):
I know, you see it fake, No, it's easy. Like
you know, the worst ones are pretty easy to pick
out for me too. The good ones are hard that
the worst ones are at the forefront of your mind,
so it is very easy to see.

Speaker 2 (02:00:23):
It's interesting because you can't like the good ones are
the great ones and that's it, you know.

Speaker 3 (02:00:31):
I'm like, oh, you can't have this guy.

Speaker 2 (02:00:32):
Really, there's like five guys, you know in the whole league,
right Fellas Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2 (02:00:44):
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how much fun the Hall of Fame is, and then
the Hall of Fame game, and you know, we fifteen
nine wax poetically about the game.

Speaker 3 (02:01:48):
Figuie mocked us, knocking strong. Well, you guys used always
get me.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
I would hit you with this every year, right, and
now I got Now I finally got somebody agrees with me.

Speaker 5 (02:02:04):
You got some sport.

Speaker 4 (02:02:07):
I don't blame you at all, like we're gonna keep
bringing this up because you're right. I'm just saying it's
hard work being right and then we stand on the
right side of history.

Speaker 5 (02:02:15):
So that's all. I would just say that my enthusiasm
was a little more temperate than the two of you.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
Put it that way. Oh, it was great having it back. Man, Hi,
I'm Joe, He's Troy. I love it, man, I do.
I there's something about it.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
I just we've we've both talked, so we've been on
this kick all day long today talking about it. I
have some more questions. When we last week left, I
was talking about the coaches. So I have to do
this because they're sore. They're so good, like Belichick read

(02:03:01):
Walsh Parcels. I gotta believe that's the mount rushmore. So
I'm taking them off the list. Give me two that
are great and two that are just embarrassingly bad coaches.

(02:03:22):
Because you see the disparity in the league. Man, that's
the one constant is that there are guys that know
how to do it and guys that don't. So I'll
start with you, FITZI give me that are give me
the two bad ones.

Speaker 4 (02:03:40):
Two good ones. Okay, this one was a little tougher
good ones. I'm gonna go back. I think we're all
influenced by the football we grew up watching. So when
I go with two of the greats, I also like
I thought Shula was a little bit of a cliche answer,
so I kept Shoola off the list. My my two
that stand out. I'm gonna go Marv Levy, who was
I think invator before offenses looked the way they do

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now and four straight Super Bowls. I don't care if
we're talking about four straight Super Bowl losses four straight
Super bowls is something that deserves way more credit than
it ever gets. So to me, Marv lev stands out
on that because yeah, and he's just he did it different.

Speaker 3 (02:04:16):
I mean, rather than school.

Speaker 4 (02:04:18):
Yeah. Yeah, Like I think if Marv Levy existed in
this current offense, although you know, you could argue that
none of this would even exist where it not for
his already influence, but if he existed in this world,
I think he'd be much much better appreciated. And then
my other one, I'll go with Bill Kauer. I think consistency,
uh you know, toughness, you think about everything, but the

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ability to mold a team into the vision of exactly
who he is. I think there's something really beautiful about that.
So I'm going with two old guys from my list.

Speaker 5 (02:04:48):
I like it fig So someone else I don't think
I've mentioned who I also feel like I can't pick
is Vince Lombardi uh so towards the top, but I
feel like he's like an untouched so I'll leave him alone.
So one that I'm gonna mention is Tony Dungee took
the Buccaneers, who are a laughing stock and turned them

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into a legitimate franchise contender. For for many years, they
just couldn't get the offense fixed. Finally went to a
place in Indianapolis where he already had an offense and
he had to rebuild the defense, and he certainly did that.
They had their shortcomings at times in the postseason. One
one super Bowl, lost another and if you know, I
guess he didn't wasn't technically at the helm for the
other loss. That was Jim Caldwell. But we know that

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was Tony Dungee's team. But a great man of character
and I think a great football coach too. And look,
he has his own coaching tree of guys for him.
Morris getting his second crack added Mike Tomlin as a
Dungee guy. So all the respect and love in the
world for Tony Dungee. I think his analysis, his work
as an analyst leads much to be desired. But as
a head coach, I think he's the I think he's
one of the underrated greats in recent member.

Speaker 4 (02:05:53):
I love that great. The only reason I hesitated for
a second was because you know, Gruden came in took
that team to a super Bowl. That's the only reason
I hesitated on Dungee, but he was on my list
for sure.

Speaker 3 (02:06:04):
Who who is your Who's your other one? Dungee?

Speaker 5 (02:06:08):
And so I'm probably gonna get some pushback for this
because he never won a Super Bowl, never played, never
coached in the Super Bowl, but he turned around places
wherever he went, always had success and was well respected.
I really liked Marty Schottenheimer, and I thought he was
a great coach who never really, you know, got over
the hump for any number of reasons. I thought he
got a raw deal at the end of his Chargers tenure,

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and I think if he would have stayed there, they
possibly could have ended up winning a championship. But turned
around Cleveland, turned around Kansas City, was knocking on the
door in every place that he went, and for whatever reason,
it never worked out for him. But I thought he
was a great head coach, and even though he never
made it to a Super Bowl, I think he's worthy
of at least Hall of Fame consideration, considering the amount
of wins and the and the impact that I.

Speaker 2 (02:06:52):
Agree with you, it's a shame because he never gets
any credit, none at all, And in fact, they owe ways.
They always take shots at him because you know he
never won a super Bowl and it's a Shottenheimer and
you're you're right.

Speaker 5 (02:07:10):
I mean, you know, for me, it's it was really
ever like, oh, he made a coaching blunder and that's
what cost him.

Speaker 4 (02:07:17):
Now you know, yeah, I look, we both knew this
as fans of an opposing team. Shottenheimer is a guy
that you sat there and thought, Man, that team's gonna
be good. They're just they're they're gonna be well coached,
They're not gonna make stupid mistakes. They're gonna beat you
like he there is. I think you're right on Schottenheimer.
I didn't even think of him in the minute you
said it. I was like, oh, that's a smart choice.

Speaker 2 (02:07:39):
All right, give me, uh the two boobes, the two
coach boobs.

Speaker 4 (02:07:47):
I don't think I have to say much about Nathaniel
Hackett why he belongs on that list. So I'll start
there recent But then that's that's all I need to
say about that, because I will then plant my flag
on the If you haven't changed a single word in
your playbook, when you're going into the Super Bowl and
you're facing your former boss who coached the team, you're
gonna get your ass kicked. And that's exactly what Bill

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Callahan did. You know. Bill Callahan went into a Super
Bowl and John Lynch said later that not only did
they know every single call as it was coming out,
they knew every single audible because the Raiders hadn't changed
a single piece of their verbiage coming into the game.
So John Lynchen and Gannon and both acknowledged that every
time they would try and shift, Lynch would just call
out exactly what the play was. How stupid do you

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have to be as a head coach to never sit
there and think, you know what, Gruden's had a little
bit of time to get ready for this thing. It's
his playbook. Maybe we should change some things. The level
of ignorance that took from Bill Callahan is unforgivable. He
got your team to a Super Bowl because they were
too talented for you to screw it up, but you
did screw it up when they needed you. That makes
you one of the worst coaches in history.

Speaker 3 (02:08:51):
Yeah, I mean, that was that was just abysmal. I
mean link how about a figure.

Speaker 5 (02:08:57):
She talks about all the time.

Speaker 2 (02:08:59):
Yeah, Oh my god, about hearing them call the playout Yeah,
so Linky was that right tackle and he would hear
where they where their play would be, and they quit
even audible out.

Speaker 3 (02:09:10):
The only thing they could do was run the ball.

Speaker 2 (02:09:13):
But and that's what got them a little momentum, very
little in the second half. But he kept saying, why
are you throwing it? Run the ball and try to
run through it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:22):
Yeah, well, link did say their plan was to run
it more than they had throughout the season. But when
Barrett Robbins went on, you know, his unfortunate situation down there,
and they had to go throw Adam True in there,
who was much smaller, much slender, wasn't as powerful. They
kind of went back to their passing attack. And that's
kind of what really, you know, hurt them a lot.
But what their game play you you cannot have.

Speaker 4 (02:09:44):
Like you, everybody knows Gruden's intelligence, right, you know, hearing
Lynch talk about Gruden giving them the playbook weeks in
advance and saying, hey, that guy's an idiot. He's not
going to change all of it. Like that built it.

Speaker 5 (02:09:55):
Gruden built the playbook. They said. Gruden was the one
doing the he was the scout team quarterback. Is that
Richard's going a pump fake like this, he's gonna do
all of that. Ever to a tee, they knew so
imagining a defense that dominant basically and knowing exactly this
is the Houston Astros, but except they didn't cheat. They
knew exactly what was coming, and you had one of
the great defensive units in the history of the sport.

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That's how you get fifty five to whatever, twenty whatever
the final score was.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, it's spot on. How about you fake?

Speaker 5 (02:10:26):
Well, you know what, just as incompetent has not changing
your place is hiring an assistant football coach who was
running a bed and breakfast to be your offensive coordinator.
And I'm throwing that on art Shell. Artshell the first
run with the La Raiders solid. I don't think he
was great then either, but he was okay. The second
stint absolutely embarrassingly terrible. Fits. No Raider fan will ever

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forget Opening night against San Diego, when Sean Merriman was
living in Aaron Brooks's lap. He might have Khalil Mack
last year had was six sacks against the Raiders. I
think Sean Merriman had twelve that weekend. Because Aaron Brooks
is doing seven step dry in two thousand and six
behind a terrible offensive line when nobody people stopped doing
seven just step drops in nineteen ninety four. Yeah, yeah,

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the game had changed by then, Artshell had not, and
that's why he lasted only one season and they won
two games that year. Horrible head coaching higher by Al Davis,
although he had many of them the last two decades
of his tenure.

Speaker 4 (02:11:22):
The only reason I didn't put ar Shell on the list,
because he would have made it, was because the first
the first was pretty good. Yeah, So I looked at it.
I was like, man, I don't know how to balance
the first hint being pretty good and the second stint
being that bad. But I support your your I mean
my first thought was bed and breakfast offense, Like, just
I'll never stay at bed breakfast in my life. I
would never stay in a bed and breakfast, and I

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think I can speak for most Raiders fans were also
traumatized by the fact that our offensive coordinator had been
running a bed and breakfast that now, like, I just can't.
I can't even if somebody's like, let's go stay at
a nice bed and breakfast up yours. I don't want
nothing to do with that, right, Just get out of
my mouth.

Speaker 5 (02:11:58):
Tom Watsh was his name, offensive coordinator like in the
eighties or something for the Raiders. They brought him back.
He'd been running a bed and breakfast for like sixteen years.
And his opening press conference with the media and they
asked him, hey, you've been gone for a while. You
know football's changed a little bit. How are you gonna
adapt your offense? He was like, well, it's all just football.
Football still football, and changed all that much. I knew

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then in July this team is screwed.

Speaker 3 (02:12:25):
Football.

Speaker 5 (02:12:26):
It was over. I knew it was over. I don't
want your.

Speaker 4 (02:12:28):
Demon's fluffy eggs. I don't want to sleep in.

Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
The weird like that.

Speaker 4 (02:12:32):
You take your you can take your bed and breakfast people,
and you can just go to hell. I got want
nothing to do with it. That was. That was an
undefeated preseason that turned into the worst season of football
I've ever watched in my life. I know, I just yeah,
the I am. I am still shook it. I don't
even know if I can AIRBNP just because it's too close,
like it says B and P in it, and that
just makes me like I can't do it unless Airbnb

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is a sponsored in which case I use them exclusively.

Speaker 3 (02:12:57):
Yeah, that's the best. Uh do you have you ever
stayed in the B and B?

Speaker 4 (02:13:03):
No? No, I'm not. I'm not even kidding, Like no.

Speaker 5 (02:13:08):
No, no, neither of I've been. I've stayed in an Airbnb,
but a legitimate bed and breakfast, like I can't say
I've ever stayed in.

Speaker 3 (02:13:14):
No. Okay, So I they have them in Italy, a
lot of them. Like it's kind of like the uh.

Speaker 2 (02:13:23):
The thing because they're like boutique, little boutique hotels, right,
and so they're and they and you have they'll have
a homemade breakfast and you know, the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:13:35):
But the breakfasts are different over there.

Speaker 2 (02:13:37):
I have to tell you, I love it because they
have these they'll cook these elaborate meals for you and
then you know, you might have you know whatever, fifteen
to twenty gas the max. And it's the level of
service because you're in a foreign country is so good

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because they're giving you a word to go. When they
love it, they take over. You know, they're family and
the food's ridiculous. So I wouldn't do it home, but
abroad it makes sense if that makes sense.

Speaker 4 (02:14:15):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that makes total sense. Like abroad,
everything feels cool. Like let's just be honest, everything feels cool.
But again, like Anthony, I got one life rule. One
life rule. If you would sit in the theater and
you'd see it in the opening scene of a horror
movie and say why are you doing that, don't do it?
Like that's my one. Like I remember years ago, pre

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cell phones being easily accessible in Europe. We were on
tour out there and this is probably nine twenty ten
somewhere back then, and nobody had phones. And I was
walking back towards a hotel with the tour manager at
the time that I had and the tour managers looked
at me and he's like, came, man, I think if
we cut through this alley, we'll get to the hotel.
Now we were derunk, like we weren't drunk, we were drunk,

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and I was like, I just looked at them and
I was like, dude, neither of us have cell phones.
Nobody knows where we are. We're drunk in a foreign
country where we don't even speak the language, and you
want to walk down a dark alley to get to
the hotel that's how we die. And it was that
moment that I decided if I would see it in
the beginning of a horror movie, I'm not gonna do it.

Speaker 5 (02:15:15):
For me.

Speaker 4 (02:15:15):
There's a little bit of like going to going to
Italy for example, and like staying at a random Airbnb.
I don't know. Again, I get a little that feels
like the opening is Saw nine. I'm just I gotta
see a lot of reviews. I'm gonna need like somebody's
gonna have to make sure I'm not in a hostile movie,
because I wouldn't do well in those things, you know,
I like, I need a little I need a little
security there.

Speaker 2 (02:15:35):
Yeah, now they're they're good, but I feel, yeah, I
love your role. It's a great life rule. All right,
I got another football question for you off my list.
Give me the two teams that if you weren't a
Raiders fan, you could see yourself being a fan of,

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and in two teams you could never root for.

Speaker 5 (02:15:59):
I will say about the way my second coach, I
didn't get my second coach.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (02:16:04):
The runner up would have been Josh McDaniels. And that's
not just for his Raider tenure. He was in Denver too.
People might forget Matt Patricia. Matt Patricia absolute disaster with
the Lions. Allions team that was actually decent most years
with Jim Calwell, they fired him, brought this guy in
clearly didn't know what he was doing, and the Lions
turned into the old Lions yet again. But you know what,

(02:16:24):
Lion fans are probably smiling because they wouldn't have the
greatness that is Dan Campbell right now, So they're probably
appreciative of a couple of years that they had to
suffer through with Matt Patricia as the head coach.

Speaker 3 (02:16:34):
Don't forget I had Matt Patricia last year.

Speaker 5 (02:16:36):
That's right, he got three coordinator extraordinary.

Speaker 3 (02:16:40):
Yeah, yeah, interesting, dude.

Speaker 5 (02:16:45):
Some guys just aren't cut out to be head coaches,
you know, I.

Speaker 3 (02:16:47):
Know, I know, I felt that I was a smart guy.

Speaker 2 (02:16:50):
That onen't surprised me that he was a flop, be
honest with it anyway.

Speaker 5 (02:16:56):
I mean, same vein. I mean, I know Morning Wegg
is a guy too. Spent some time out there in Philly.
You probably know him a little bit.

Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (02:17:02):
I just don't think Marty was cut out for a
head coaching situation either. In Detroit.

Speaker 2 (02:17:06):
No, I no, I agree with you, all right, you'll
give me first fits. He give me the two teams
that you know, if you weren't a Raider fan, you
could see yourself being a fan of these two teams.

Speaker 4 (02:17:26):
That's like I've been so universally, just like one way
for my whole life. I think like I was a
Bears fan, like a side piece with the Bears as
a kid, Like I always like McMahon, So I would
say the Bears have a soft spot in my heart,
so I would go Chicago. I have spent so much
of my life absolutely anti every other AFC team. I

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don't know if I could pick an AFC Like people
are gonna expect me to say Titans because I lived
in Nashville for so long. But Titans fans, and I
know some of you guys are listening, I know we're
on there. I just gotta say, like, Titans fans are
the most fair weather. It's so obnoxious, like they yell
about not getting enough credit and then the minute the
team stinks, they all stopped talking about it, stopped going
to the games, and like stop, it just stops resonating.
I could never be part of a fan base like that.

(02:18:07):
Oh that's anation, So like, you know, sorry, Titans fans,
you can at me, but like I just I could
never be a Titans fan. So I think I go Bears,
and then I as a second right now, I would
say the Lions because it's such a fun story, but
like historically that's a terrible team to want to root for,
so you know, but I could see I could see
the Lions right now being sort of a fun way

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to transition into loving a different team.

Speaker 5 (02:18:32):
Fig So it's so funny because you're a fandom. When
you were a kid, you had your Eagles and you
had the Raiders. It was the same thing for me.
The Raiders were number one for me, and then when
the Rams left I mentioned earlier in the show, and
the Rams are an easy one, so I'm gonna put
them as one of the teams. I think that's an
obvious one. But the Eagles are the other one because
I was a huge fan of Donoviguan McNabb back to day.
I loved Andy Reid. I love that team, the toughness

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on defense. Dawkins was one of my favorite players, so
like that was a squad about that I love. I
was actually somewhat dreading the potential of the Raiders playing
the Eagles in the Super Bowl in two thousand and two. No, granted,
I wanted the Raiders to win, but I did want
it to be at the at the expense of Eagles
because I love McNabb and I love reading. I love
that team so much. So Rams and the Eagles are

(02:19:15):
the two franchises that I would root for.

Speaker 3 (02:19:18):
That's interesting. Did you ever see Cunningham or was he
before your time?

Speaker 5 (02:19:22):
A little bit? A little bit, Yeah, but he was.
He was a little before I'm not liked to where
I was conscious watching every single week, you know, knowing
exactly what's going on.

Speaker 3 (02:19:30):
Dude, you would have loved him.

Speaker 5 (02:19:33):
I love of the highlights, for sure.

Speaker 2 (02:19:36):
I loved Cunningham. Oh my god, he was He would
have been. He would have been a great player today.
He had no coaching. Yeah, like you know, he was
coming out of UNLV, was the second round pick, and
he had rich Coke tight.

Speaker 5 (02:19:52):
Oh he was on my list too, by the way,
as far as bad coaches, he was. He was on
the short list for me.

Speaker 3 (02:19:59):
Well that's what's by the question.

Speaker 2 (02:20:02):
Yes, he was horrible and Randall had no offense Buddy
was the speaking of the eighty five Bears fift he
brought him up. Buddy Ryan was the coach of Randall,
but he was really defensive coordinator and the OC was
the guy in charge of the offense, and that was

(02:20:22):
Rich co Titan.

Speaker 3 (02:20:23):
It was a disaster. Yeah, just it's a shame because
he was so great and he could do everything. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:20:30):
When I started watching the Eagles consciously, it was more
of like the late nineties. My co worker, now Rodney
Pete was was a quarterback then. I think Duce Staley
was young, had just started, you know, playing there.

Speaker 3 (02:20:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:20:41):
Ray Rhodes, whoever, was insane, at least Rodney says he
has some stories about Ray rhads for sure, but that
was kind of like, you know what I can get
with this team. I liked him, and then when McNabb
got there that it kind of took off from me.

Speaker 2 (02:20:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:20:52):
Ray was Ray was nuts. Yeah, he was nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:20:57):
He gave these speeches about truiders coming into your house.

Speaker 5 (02:21:02):
Yeah, and you know.

Speaker 2 (02:21:05):
They're coming after your family, right, Like he like the
crazy things they want to they want to peel on
your drapes.

Speaker 3 (02:21:16):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (02:21:17):
The thing was UNBELI like horrible stuff to like you
know what, I really can't say on the air, right,
and then you know, like this whole idea that the
opponent was coming in your house.

Speaker 3 (02:21:30):
They were intruders. Ah, he was the best. He was nuts.

Speaker 2 (02:21:35):
And then after practice there was like an ot b
uh right down the street from practice, from the where
the Eagles practice, and he go and spend the whole
day at the otb after practice.

Speaker 3 (02:21:48):
He was He was a character man. He loved the horses.
He was great. He was a cool guy, great coordinator.

Speaker 2 (02:21:56):
Like, hey, coach, yeah, yeah, all right, give me two
teams fits your up who you could never root for
it ever, ever, never, ever.

Speaker 4 (02:22:09):
Ever, Denver and Kansas City. I mean like that, that's easy.
I'm indifferent towards the Chargers compared to those two like
Denver in Kansas City. Now, like if somebody today offered
me a million dollars to go root for those teams,
I wouldn't be able to do it. I wouldn't be
able to do it in any level of sincerity. I
just it's impossible. I also could never root for the Patriots.
I could never root for the Chargers. I could never

(02:22:32):
root for the Steelers. Like my list, my hate list
is heavy when it comes to like, I want all
these fan bases to have their their joy. But yeah,
my list of nope, nope, nope, I'm out. Like I'm
a very picky person in that sense.

Speaker 5 (02:22:43):
There is there enough hate to go around. That's literally
my entire list. Like it. It starts with Chiefs Broncos.
It trickles down to the on a lesser level, to
the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Patriots. And I'm kind of
indifferent to the Chargers. I can really care less what happens,
So I love that.

Speaker 2 (02:22:58):
I'm like that with the Cowboys the Giants, yeah, but
definitely Cowboys. There's no way in the world. All right,
let's take a quick tear. We'll come back and uh,
we'll talk to the brain. We'll get a little NFL
how to attack the NFL preseason and some NFL futures with.

Speaker 3 (02:23:20):
Our betting expert.

Speaker 2 (02:23:21):
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Speaker 6 (02:23:28):
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Speaker 3 (02:23:43):
You're listening to that man last night.

Speaker 2 (02:23:50):
On stage, Jason fits, that's just beautiful, man.

Speaker 4 (02:23:59):
I gotta give the thanks to the Collective Soul guys,
like they've had a bunch of hits and to let
me come out and play on one of them was
a really cool experience. Spent the day with him, it
was awesome and the guys just like, they're just great guys.
I've known the guitar player Jesse in that band for
a long time, and we've actually, for all the years
we've been on different tours together and music, we've never

(02:24:20):
actually stood on stage and played a song together. So
we figured we might as well do that. And it
was great, like you know, twenty three thousand people strong
and Hartford having a blast, but also like everybody backstage
like it was such a cool moment for me. I'm
a big Edward McCain fan. I have been for my
whole adult life. I love those songs. And he went
out and slayed the first this opening set. He was

(02:24:41):
absolutely great, and then walked up to me backstage after
I played and you know, said, he He's like, hey, man,
you really crushed it, and he's like, if I'd have
known you were out here, I wish you would have
sat in with me too, and it was cool moment
because I was like, man, when I would love to
do that, he said, take my number. So now I'm
texting buddies with Edwin McCain and it was like those
for me, that's cool. I love that stuff. Obviously, Hoody

(02:25:03):
was the headliner. I've known Darius for a long time,
but even the Hoody guys, who I hadn't met until
until the concert, we're just salt of the earth.

Speaker 7 (02:25:11):
I love.

Speaker 4 (02:25:11):
I love these acts that have had their moment, that
are now getting their second chapter. There's such a grace
and thanks in all of it. And for me it's
it's like, you know, it's like getting a scratch and
itch and then just getting to go back home and
and you know, continue about my move about the cabin
in my normal life.

Speaker 3 (02:25:26):
I love it. I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:25:27):
You sound great, buddy, you sound great. Collect the Soldan
really awesome stuff. All right, let's welcome in our man
as we look at football from a betting angle and
the preseason from a betting angle. The big Brain, Hello Brain,
Good morning, Brad Feinberg.

Speaker 7 (02:25:46):
Good morning. So I gotta tell you, sifty that is impressive. Eye.
I like collect the soul. That's really cool, man. I
gotta if I was wearing my hat, it'd be tips
right now. That's really me. No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (02:25:59):
Joke, salented man, it fits, He's no joke.

Speaker 4 (02:26:03):
It is funny though, because like I made my money
in country music, and I love country music. I love
the people in country music. But of all the golden
platinum records I have in my life, humble brag, the
one I'm proud of stuff is actually Matchbox twenty. Like.
I grew up a nineties rock guy, like so like
eighties eighties hair metal turned into nineties rock turned it
like so, it is funny how playing with the band
like Collective Soul actually did it meant a lot. I've

(02:26:25):
been lucky to be on stage with a lot of
huge country acts, but I think when you crossover into
different different genres, it just hits different.

Speaker 3 (02:26:32):
It does. That's why I listened to you.

Speaker 2 (02:26:34):
I was like, wow, man, so you know that's I
love that nineties rock like I love that stuff, and uh,
it just don't know, that's pretty awesome.

Speaker 7 (02:26:42):
I got it.

Speaker 4 (02:26:43):
I know.

Speaker 7 (02:26:43):
I know it's a sports show, guys, but what happened
to that? You just think that was my that was
my favorite whatever you want to call it, Like Era
was that nineties rock and it just disappeared.

Speaker 4 (02:26:58):
Yeah, I mean I think there's a couple bands have
disappeared because if you're a record label, the cost to
launch in a band is far higher than it is
to launch a solo act, so they're you're risking it
from the music industry side, and then in a you know,
and the way the creativity works now, so many people
are just you know, used to be got in a
garage with some buddies and you just try to figure

(02:27:18):
out how to be a band. And now you get
in the garage with a camera and you start making
your own content. So you just have more and more
people that don't want to share the creative process. They
just want to be the creative process. I'm a band guy, man,
like I like being on the fellows. I like in
my life, I like to be surrounded by people. So
I'm a band.

Speaker 2 (02:27:34):
You're a team guy. Band guys are team guys. So
with you, man, I'm a team guy too. I completely
relate to you. And and you know what's interesting is
I just in fact a buddy of mine. Hey, Brad,
you know vg VG is a music works for a
music label by Day, and he's one of my guys

(02:27:57):
on my show, and he was tell me a story
about he just saw it in the first four years
of each decade they went through.

Speaker 3 (02:28:10):
Because we're in the twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (02:28:13):
The number one, the number one singing number one song
on the chart was like forty eight out of fifty
two weeks was a band in nineteen ninety and two thousands,
except now it's only two weeks. There's no bands. To

(02:28:34):
Fitzi's point, wow, there's only two weeks of the first
four years was a band song and like, I guess
one was like a Beatles kind of.

Speaker 4 (02:28:44):
Re and like think about the band world too, like
it's it really is like being in a marriage. The
reason bands eventually break up is because creativity is sort
of everything to creatives, you know, and so you spend
your whole life making compromises and it is like a
marriage in the sense of like what do you want
to do on a Saturday? But what do you want
to do when it comes to like the tour and
the way it looks and how the video walls are,

(02:29:06):
and like what the songs are and what's going to
be the next single, and every one of those things
becomes a level of compromise and a level of negotiation,
and it just wears your down over time too. So
like you used to have to have that band because
you wanted to go out on the road. Now you
know you can just grab a guitar and go out
on your own.

Speaker 3 (02:29:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29:22):
Well, it's something about the power of people together and
what they can do.

Speaker 3 (02:29:27):
You know. All right, brain, we're excited.

Speaker 2 (02:29:30):
I know you were too about preseason football, So let
me let me ask you what's the way to attack
preseason football.

Speaker 7 (02:29:42):
Yeah, well, it's funny. I'm only so far the one
preseason game. But what it is, it's all and I look,
I'm lucky. I have a network of people now that
texts me stuff, give me stuff of information they're hearing,
and and I can just follow that information without me
having to do it all by myself. So let me
make that perfectly clear. But it's an information based game.

(02:30:03):
And in preseason, if you know, look, if you're following
the beat writers on Twitter of all the you know
the thirty teams, Okay, if your thirty two teams aren't
getting I get any of thirty two games might have
thirty two games. If you're following on Twitter to beat
writers of all thirty two teams, seeing, okay, what's the
quarterback rotation going to be in a game? That is

(02:30:26):
obviously a paramount importance. If Team A is not going
to be playing, there are any other quote unquote decent quarterbacks,
and Team B is the obviously going to look to
take Team B. And if you just see how many
starters are going to be playing in a game versus
another team, again, some teams take these games. You think

(02:30:46):
it's the flute guys that the Ravens won twenty three
or twenty four straight preseason and jink that was just luck.
I guarantee it wasn't okay. Obviously, Harball for whatever reason,
whether it's right, wrong, and different treated the pre season
in different manners than other coaches would. Now again, that
started to catch up. The line started to catch up
to them when they kept winning and people knew about

(02:31:07):
the trend. But you know, certain coaches take this, For example,
Sean McVay, he's in the past taken preseason like who
cares a a little about it as you can care
about something, and he doesn't play as players. And now
if you think of us. The line makers have gotten better.
I'll say that, guy's the line makers have really improved

(02:31:28):
in comes of being bumps this for a while on.
Now you know they've they've gotten better and understanding Okay,
wait a minute, make them ends up playing here that
we're not going to see, you know, Matt Stafford. We're
not going to see Cook and the Coup. We're not
going to say Cooper Club. We're not going to see anyone,
you know, an Donald back before to retire. We're not

(02:31:50):
going to see those guys. So they've done a better
job of doing that. But again, not to be extremely
guys of the NBA and well draft, that would not
be fair to say because that's real information in terms
of who guys in the pick. But it is an
information basically just reading about what players you expect to play.
It's a little bit like.

Speaker 2 (02:32:10):
We can say rotations, like quarterback rotation, yea quarterback ro
the most important what players are they talking about?

Speaker 4 (02:32:19):
Benching sitting rightly, it's like week seventeen in the NFL.

Speaker 7 (02:32:23):
Guys, if you look at the Lions could change the
most of the seventeen weeks in the pro football season
or eighteen whatever it is eighteen weeks in the pro
football season with the bye weeks. The week eighteen is
the lines that the line can change most suggressively because
you get players who are going to be sitting out.
You know, teams are clinching, like for example, like when

(02:32:45):
Baltimore played Pittsburgh last year, the last game of the year,
they didn't play Lamar Jackson, so that line changed like crazy.
You know. You just if you're ahead of that information
and you're in early versus a minute late, that could
be the difference in getting like three points in mind value.
Those lines never moved like that during weeks one through seventeen,
but during the preseason, during Week eighteen of the NFL season, Guys,

(02:33:08):
that's what if you can get that information. You're fast,
and you're right on the ball, and you're ready to
enter and hit go. When you get that information, you'll
be extremely, extremely profitable.

Speaker 4 (02:33:21):
Is there I told my friends last night when I
was hanging out that I was going to ask you
an important question. Is there value in at the beginning
of the NFL season Week one? Let's say, is there
value to just hanging out in the sidelines letting Week
one happen? And then seeing how things normalize, given the
fact the preseason tells us so little.

Speaker 7 (02:33:36):
No, I actually I'm gonna I'm gonna go over the
top and disagree with you. I think week one actually
they posted now again, now at this point the lines
have changed, but like there were, you know, I bet
like four or five things, and all the lines that
moved substantially in my favor of the things I bet.
Because they post the lines in the summer, like you know,

(02:34:00):
before the game start, there's more, it's up there for
a longer time and you can you can see how
things potentially do change, and you can get value if
you betting early. But no, you're talking about break betting
right now. Then I won't disagree with you that much
in the sense that you can do that if you
want to just see how things go in week one.

(02:34:20):
But if you would have bet this stuff, you know,
when these lines first came out, which was literally like
six weeks ago, you could have had stuff in your
pocket where you're beating these lines by two points. But
from the day of the game, yeah, I mean, there's
not going to be any value per se. And that's
just you know, dealer's choice. If you want to do
that and just see how things go. That's certainly you're right,
but yet preseason is certainly you're not going to tell

(02:34:41):
us anything.

Speaker 2 (02:34:42):
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Speaker 3 (02:34:46):
Uh, you got to check them out. What do you
got for us today?

Speaker 7 (02:34:49):
Buddy, got a lot of stuff, my friend, I'll run
through it quickly. Brought up Royals, Anthony. I know I
talked about with you the other day. Tigers. Right now,
I think the worst team in baseball. You hurt me right.
I think they're gonna be as bad as the White Sox.
They had. Look at their lineup right now, they had
nothing except except when the great three school pitches as

(02:35:10):
they touched up yesterday. They can't. They can't hit. I
like the Royals minus one thirty Lorenzine versus the Tiger's
bullpen game, Royal's playing role. I'll take that. Laying a
cheap price. Pirates to Mitch Keller lane one fifteen over
Jordan Montgomery. Montgomery's been a gab can all year. Keller's
been really really good. Basically at pick them price, I'll
take the Pirates. Jack Flaherty laying a half run of

(02:35:31):
the five inning line going gets Mitch Spence, I'll lay
a half run there, laying no juice clarity to me.
In the league picture, Spence is a blow average picture.
As bad as the Dodgers have been, it's bad as
the lineup is right now. I say they'll at least
scored a few runs off Spence, and I'll expect Oakland
that much success for Flarerty Clarity over seventeen and a
half outs against Oakland, he's done this about he's really

(02:35:53):
done this. Twelve out of sixteen starts, there was two
starters on a pitch count. I see no reason why
he will not pitch six tens against Oakland. I know
it was playing much better than I think Slarty to
get his six innings in. Aaron Savali over three and
ath strikeouts. He's averaging five strikeouts in the Brewers fifteen
and six for the year forty three and twenty two
is the last three years. Why is this? Why is
this only three and a half? No way should be

(02:36:15):
at least four and a half. Big advantage. Aaron Svali
over three and a haf strikeouts. Tara Houps averaging five
manth strikeouts. He's fourteen and seven over four and a half.
You can get Jews taking over four and a half
strikeouts today, Boston Red Sox, Tara Halk like that and
last one for they gave you guys. Hunter Green under
two and a half runs. He's pitching amazing this year.
He's fifteen to sixty under. Giants. Don't scare me at

(02:36:36):
all offensively, I say, Hunter Green allows zero one or two.

Speaker 2 (02:36:39):
Hey, great stuff. As always the Brain check it in
the Big Brain.

Speaker 7 (02:36:44):
I'll give you a pre season game too, Patriots. It's
line's gone off. But the Patriots minus three I still
think is good.

Speaker 3 (02:36:50):
Hatreds min straight.

Speaker 2 (02:36:51):
That's what Thursday Friday, it is the Thursday.

Speaker 7 (02:36:56):
Against the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (02:36:57):
Thursday gets back, Okay, Patriots, Minestra, here you go. All right,
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Fellas will come back and wrap it up right here
on Fox Sports Radio. Fellas wrapping it up from the

(02:37:21):
tairaq dot com studios.

Speaker 3 (02:37:26):
Jason fitz Kevin Figures. I'm Anthony Gargano.

Speaker 2 (02:37:28):
Hey, we got to always thank our wonderful production team.

Speaker 3 (02:37:33):
Uh as always.

Speaker 2 (02:37:34):
Our technical producer Mighty Mighty Mark and our producer Brianna
both are terrific.

Speaker 3 (02:37:41):
And we appreciate their hard work during the program. So
thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (02:37:46):
Uh all right, boys, So, uh give me your Raider
update now. Uh, this is uh, this is a big
week because this is kind of where it starts to
kind of shape, takes form, it gets real for a
lot of camps, right you'll lead into a preseason game,
practices are tougher.

Speaker 3 (02:38:07):
Give me your Raider once.

Speaker 4 (02:38:11):
I mean, somebody's got to win the quarterback job. And
it's so unusual. We rarely go into this deep into
a camp with a team anymore that just doesn't really
know what they're doing at the quarterback position. I just
it feels like Aidan O'Connell to me, is who the
organization would love to have win the job. They gave
Gardner a contract to come in and push him. But

(02:38:31):
some people say Gardner has a slight edge right now,
but nobody knows. What we do know is that right
now the defense is absolutely dominating the offense in camp.
And I think that's important because I honestly believe the
Raiders have a chance to have a top five defense
in the NFL this year. I think the defense could
be great for this team. I think the quarterback play
is gonna be abysmal all year long, and so how
do you manage that? Can Antonio Pierce manage that? And

(02:38:53):
how the college football mindset? Because cousin, you know this.
If a coach just starts to get wishy washy at
the quarterback position immediately like that guy doesn't know what
he's doing right, like so ap, he's gonna have to
make a decision, to stick with the decision and then
deal with all that comes with that. I think he's
gonna be chaos.

Speaker 5 (02:39:08):
Yeah, at least find somebody who are going to start
at least, you know, first five, six, seven games give
him enough least to figure out what they're doing. But
this back and forth, I've kind of already played this
out in my mind that he's gonna start with Minshew,
that he's gonna go to O'Connell. Then he'll put Minshew
back in because o'connorll was making young guy mistakes. I'd
rather just have Honestly, I'd rather just put O'Connell back
in there and see if he has some growing pains
and maybe he improves from last season. My fear would be,

(02:39:31):
you know, they get to mid season. DeVante Adams. We
saw how frustrated he was in the Receiver series on Netflix.
Whether or not he's actually gonna be a Raider by
the time the trade deadline comes. I'm not very optimistic
right now, to be honest, Even though I love the
defense the prospects of the defense as much as I
do as you do, fits, I just don't know how
this offense is going to operate when you don't know
what you're doing at the quarterback position.

Speaker 3 (02:39:51):
Yeah, I mean that. That keep going back to that,
looking at it and going, I don't know. It's almost so.

Speaker 2 (02:40:00):
Not dysfunctional, but it makes it impossible when you don't
have a clear cut quarterback.

Speaker 5 (02:40:06):
And it's not like you have like when you're taking
on Mahomes right, you know, it's like you have a
hogs up front and you can run the ball, you know,
for two hundred yards a game or anything, you know.
I like zamir're White. I think he's a solid player
and could have a good year. But I don't think
they can just lean on the run game and say
we're going to run the ball and win games, you know,
fourteen to ten all season long, and make the playoffs.
I don't think that's realistic.

Speaker 4 (02:40:25):
No preseason's gonna matter for this team. They've got to
see if somebody takes control.

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
Yeah, but like as we started the program preseason, alls
could in the preseason. Hope right, we'll be watching I
know that, fellas. Thanks for everything, everybody, We love you.
See you next week.

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