The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz talk Pacers dominance, NBA Analytics, College Football Playoff Seeding Changes, & MORE!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
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Speaker 3 (00:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
We are the Fellas.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
He's Jason Fits, I'm Anthony Garkan know, and that silence
you hear.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Is Madison Square Garden where the.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
Knicks are about to die.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Good morning Fits.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
Oh man, we're starting Saturday morning with a bang. I know,
but you're right. I mean, I sat there and watched
the end of that game last night thinking like, look,
deficit in the series is nothing new for the Knicks,
but this one feels different. Man. It's just this. This
feels like two Absolutely the way they've gone at each
other has been really electric. And I'll give them that,

(01:06):
it's been very close. I understand if you're a Knicks fan,
you're thinking we could easily be up to nothing, but man,
it just feels like, whenever you need the best of
the pacers, in the first two games of this series,
boy they've gotten them. It's been electric to watch Indiana
step up.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Man, we talked about it Sunday night.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
You and I were in for a special Sunday Night
the Fellas last weekend, we talked about that series and
we were both going, this Indiana is really dangerous because
they're deep, right. It was the Pacers' depth versus you know,
the start at that great starting five that the Knicks have.

(01:46):
I mean they're short, right, and you know, bruntching playing
incredible first two games. I mean, here's the thing. No
one could could have first seen that miracle in game one, right,
and like, once you lose game one, I love about you,
But I felt like there was a tension in that
whole game. The whole game, there was a tension. It

(02:09):
felt like a little tight in there.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, it did.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
And the alarm makings you saw it on the defensive
side of the ball, like they they swarmed at the
wrong times and lost guys repeatedly. Like even as I
sit here right now and as we're talking the sports
and the highlights of the running, it's amazing how many
of these highlights have a Knicks defender that is just
the wrong spot. Like, it was pretty surprising to me

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to see some of the meltdowns communication wise late in
that game. They all speak to a team that just
felt a little tight. Yeah, Indiana has felt through this
whole thing. I mean the joy on Halliburton's face when
he hit the improbable shot in Game one at the
end that I thought was absolutely incredible, and then going
into overtime like there's been a lift for Indiana and
I can't imagine now going back home. I mean, nothing

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up to nothing from the garden guy, that's gonna be electric.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Well.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
The other thing too, is that building's really great.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
It's a great atmosphere. Man, they love it.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Like I've been the playoff games in that arena as
I'm sure you have it. It's it's something man. They're
they're gonna be that's gonna be wild. I mean they're
gonna be talking about, you know, blood in the water
and the sharks circling. There's gonna be blood in the
water for Game three. Wow, they're gonna be ready. That's
that's gonna be a great, great kind of just atmosphere.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
And you talk about the dominance historically for teams that
are up to nothing, which is huge, Uh, the dominance
for the Pacers when teams are up to nothing, the
inability in these sorts of situations for the Knicks to
get the one shot they needed at the end of
both of those first two games. It's just, I don't know.
I think at some point we're gonna have to throw

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our hands up and begrudgingly, like you asked the question
Sunday that I think was a fair one, though, you know,
will people care? You know, how much are people going
to be into Indiana going all the way to the final.
We're not gonna be stupid here, obviously. You know, most
of the world has eyeballs on the Knicks. I know that,
But at some point you got to throw your hands
up and just acknowledge that this basers team, the way
they move the ball around, how well they get contested

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shots up, even they shoot so well from outside in
the first couple of games. It's just it's been pretty
delightful to watch. And I know the story is going
to be, oh, the Knicks lose, the Knicks lose, the
nixt lose, presuming that they lose this series. But at
some point, man, we got to put a little spin
on that and just at least give some acknowledgement here
to a really good basketball team is up to nothing.
The same really good basketball team that had no problem

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with the top overall seat on the road like this.
The road ability of the Pacers has been special this year.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah, it's a great point, man, You're right. I mean, listen,
and it has to. When you have New York and
you have a team, a storied franchise like the Knicks,
and that media market and that building, they're going to
eat up all the attention. But Indiana, man, what a

(05:08):
great story they are. First of all, do you remember
how they started. They start where this is a team
that struggled, that played no defense. They were up and
down the floor. The tempo was ridiculous. Remember the first
couple really, the first couple months of the season where
they were allowing you know, one hundred and thirty, one

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hundred and forty, like the games were wild, up and down.
And they've learned to kind of morph into that more
from that into a much better defensive team. They could
still move the ball, you know, halla Burton's playing great basketball. Siakam,
what you brought this up Sunday night where a lot

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of teams were talking about, you know, Pascal Siakam and
the free agent class the Indiana swooped in, was able
to trade.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
For him and then secure him, and we talk.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
About teams that are you know, I don't want to
say faceless, because Haliburton and Siakam are terrific players and
deliver deserve a lot of accolades, but they're the second
tier star, right, Like they're not on the marquee, They're
the second tier star.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
I wonder as we watch Halliburton, I wonder if some
of that changes. But you're right, there is this moment
of how many people in this series have just that
are just sort of tuning in or sitting there saying,
oh wow, I remember that name. Like that's where we
are with Siakam, like a star that has never really
been the bright light of having to carry everything on

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his own obviously, and so he's always been like a
really good Robin star, you know, and so to your
point putting him in this role where I mean, he
was absolutely mammoth last night, mammoth last night, and big
shot after big shot after big shot with somebody in
his face, it's it's those are the been there, done
that moment too for somebody that you know has the
resume that he has that you have to remind yourself,

(07:04):
oh yeah, this is all old hat for him, Like
he has been in these situations before, and you can
feel that last night.

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, you know, it's a good point. I mean you
can feel that.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
And he's been there, and I don't know, I mean,
you know, just the way the way they just kept coming,
and they just kept coming and it didn't matter, like
when they had that leader early, the double digit leader
early in the first half, and then Nicks come all
the way back and he had to build the drock
and he.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Never felt intimidated.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
Like I've covered a ton of games in that building,
and teams can melt in that building. That's one of
those places there's there's a there's certain venues across the
sports landscape where it's legitimate teams will melt inside when
it starts to kind of really tip and the building
whatever it is starts to rock. You know, teams could

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get intimidated, and that New York thing is an intimidating thing.
That place can be that way and then and in
the end it never feels that way.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
I mean, that never feels like.

Speaker 3 (08:10):
Overwhelmed or it's too big, or they feel intimidated. In fact,
they're the opposite. They play with a with a a
little bit of a swag.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
Yeah, and a little bit of a with that swag,
a little bit of a don't give a damn to
all of the celebrities, Like, yes, I do think it's
been It's been fun to see, as you know, somebody
that doesn't have a rooting interest in the series one
way or the other, to see, you know, the electricity
in New York has been really cool. And a lot
of times I just roll my eyes when they go
to Celebt shot after Celebt shot in general at playoff games,

(08:43):
but in this particular series, it has felt like this
like monumental thing, like the knickser back has become such
a monumental storyline. But this is and I say, you know,
with as much love in my heart as a Cannicks fans.
This is why after the series went against Boston and
I kind of cautioned, hey, there's a level to how
much celebrating you do after it went over Boston, because

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they don't they don't raise banners for that. Like right now,
the feeling in New York, like it's amazing how it's
gone from so high to so low in just a
few days, you know, And and it's it's this Knicks
team has been in both of these games. But if
you're a Knicks fan right now, you gotta be losing
your mind. I mean you got to be sitting there
saying no, no, no, no. We didn't go through the story
book Celtics chapter to then lose to the Pacers, did we?

(09:28):
But it sure hell feels like it feels.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Like, oh yeah, now you're you're spot along.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I mean, that's that's I don't want to say it's
cruel because like nobody's gonna feel sorry for celebrity route.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
You know, I mean that's just what it is.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
I mean we all feel the same way, which is
all right, Like who's postured like out out of those
celebrity rows. Uh, you know you got a handful of them.
And that are true Nick fans, right that like really
love it. Like I'll give Larry David and Spike pass
right like they they're legit fans.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
But you know people are gonna be like stop, who cares?

Speaker 6 (10:06):
But then no, man, it's actually great. It's just amazing
joy to see from the outside the story and in
you're then and you're going, oh my god, we slay Boston.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
I mean you and I both said it.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I thought the Celtics were you know, all but a
lock to win, right, Like, there was no way I
thought that they're gonna at least get back to the finals.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Oh yeah, I couldn't have been more wrong last series,
Like I thought throughout the course of it that the
Celtics were gonna be just fine. This is just one
of those moments. And again this is all something I
said to be fair and reasonable, hear balanced for everybody.
I said this after the win against the Celtics, Like,
you have to remember that. Do you believe a miracle's
game was not the gold medal game? You still have

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to win the gold medal for history to remember the
big moment? So like that's the the win over Boston
is really it's amazing. It's it's awesome. And now I
sound like a condescending jerk because all I can say
is it's cute, like because I don't know how we'll
remember that win over Boston if you turn around and
lose to Indiana and five. Like I just this Indiana

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team the whole time had to be sitting over there
saying cool, y'all pay attention to what you want to
pay attention, but you're gonna have to pay attention to
us at some point.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Yeah, and I don't think they. I don't know about you,
but I mean O two speaks for itself. Oh two,
you know, on the not going on the road speaks
for itself about the daunting nature of it. But and
this Indiana team doesn't feel like a team that's gonna
just let up.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
I you know, I'm with you. I think it's five,
maybe four.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean, you would think, because the Knicks are so
damn gritty, that they'll win won and try and you know,
gain free to try to make a series like it's.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
An all out thing.

Speaker 3 (12:04):
But I wouldn't be surprised if Indiana wins Game three too.

Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, I mean that to your point. And no, I
haven't actually been to a playoff game there, but the
atmosphere in Indiana is gonna just be I mean, we
sit here and we praise certain arenas, certain places as
oh my god, it's impossible. I just think the electric
energy in that arena for the first, you know, twenty

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minutes is gonna be pretty staggering if you're a Pacers fan,
to knowing that you're up to nothing and you're in
this unique opportunity to steal the attention of the world. Yeah,
I have a sneaking suspicion that's gonna be far more
rabid than most people expect.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah, yeah, well, I mean, look at let's pay a
little homage to what that faceless team did last night.
All right, we talked about Siakam who was the other worldly.
You know, we had thirty nine last night and Halliburton
fourteen eleven. You know, they shoot the ball great, but

(13:05):
was all over the floor, you know, eight boards two
to go along with this eleven assists. But man, Miles Turner, right,
he gives you sixteen, Netsmith twelve, Nemhart twelve, right, TJ McConnell.
Off the bench, he gives you ten, and they just
get good, strong play right, Like Shepherd comes in, it's

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a couple threes. They're so deep obi top and is active.
They're so deep off the bench. I mean they you know,
you play what they played last night. They played twelve
guys last night. I mean it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Well and they can get quality shots from all of
them and quality moments from all of them. Like you
mentioned the Smith, and like the way he has played
throughout the course of this series. I don't think anybody
had that on their Bingo card I like, even if
you're a massive fan, you don't have that other guy
coming in and just when they needed big bucket after
big bucket, even last night when they needed big free throws,

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and you know the broadcasts sitting there saying, well, first
free throw, he shot. The entire game doesn't matter, like
they just these depth guys aren't just dep guys. They're
reliable portions of of how this team is built. So
it's pretty staggering, I think in that sense too, to
be reminded that not only are they twelve deep, but
they're they're three or four or five deep. Sometimes guys

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that can give you quality big shots when you need them.
That that's that's pretty unusual.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, yeah, and especially today where you know, roster building
was always about stars. How many times did we hear stars? Stars?

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Star?

Speaker 3 (14:42):
We got to chase stars. Where's Lebron going? The summer
free agency? All the Big three, the Big four, the
Big two, the Big three back and you know there's
hardened in Durant and Westbrook and there, and they're Kyrie
and everybody.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
All the stars are there.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And then you look at THEE the other team, and
you go, yeah, well or and Okase. Even though a
Sga is you know, become the star this uh, this
brillly miss postseason, this entire season. Uh, they're a team
that's built with depth.

Speaker 4 (15:20):
I mean you mentioned that he's become a star, but
like that has taken a massive campaign from the league.
You know when you see Sga ad after ad after at,
I still sit with people like who is that guy?
Like they are still getting the world to know who
Sga is? And you know that's that's something that I
think we're gonna be talking about for the rest of
these playoffs, Like these playoffs have the opportunity to be

(15:42):
star makers, Like there is going to be a like
I keep saying Yannis moment right, there's gonna be one
of these other stars is about to win a championship,
and that we all know changes the way that guys
are talked about in this league. Like at some point,
Halliburton's gonna have to be acknowledged for who Halliburton is
if he goes out and wins, Like you just can't,
you can't get away from it anymore. So it's amazing

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that even though this this championship run could end up
being sort of a ratings nightmares. We've talked about the
opportunity to make a big star out of it is.
I think that's the transcendent moment that NBA fans have
to look at and say, hey, there's something really good
about this yet again, if we're going to get a
different champion, yet again, let's get let's get out here

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and get a champion that also makes another household name.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Do you where do you sit with the the star thing?
And you know, roster building and you know, I mean
obviously we spent a whole month talking about the Luca
trade to La right, and you know, ultimately the Lakers
are where they are right, and where are you at

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with just the star thing?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (16:53):
So that's It's funny because if you are going to
build a league that's consumed on social media and quick clips,
which is what the NBA has generally done, you're always
going to need somebody that has enough face and name
recognition that people want to watch those social media highlights
like that. So I think at some level the league's

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got to figure out how to make stars out of them.
But I don't think that you can just have a
Lebron or just have a Luca and win you've got.
At this point, we constantly see and I feel like
every every championship run. Maybe maybe not the Celtics last year,
but of late, it feels like ninety percent of these
championship runs are truly about not just the one big

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name that's on the team, but how much somebody else
steps up, how much somebody else contributes. So I think
the concept of just I'm gonna have one great guy,
I mean, how many games did that win San Antonio
to have Wemby, So it just takes more than that.
It definitely takes more than that at this point. But
the league, like I said, you can't you can't build
a TikTok league and to be mad when you don't
have TikTok stars, like that's just sort of, you know,

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an oversimplification of the way the game is consumed. But
that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
No, you're right, I was having his argument yesterday.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
The day before we were talking, I think was yesterday
when we were talking about I was just I was
having a debate with someone who we were talking about
the Sixers, and only in the sense that they're talking
about trading Paul George and the number three overall pick

(18:27):
to Phoenix. It was it was Kevin and the Gandhi
our friend and trading that pick and Paul George to
Phoenix for k D. And I'm like, why would you
want to do that?

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Oh, KD?

Speaker 3 (18:45):
KD thirty six? Like, I know you got embiid and
you know MAXI, but I don't think a thirty six
year old KD to go with a gimpy embib is
enough for me to give up the third pick in
the draft just so I can get rid of Paul
George's contract.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, that feels like a lot, and it feels like
a band aid on a bigger wound, you know. And
that's I think the problem is you organizationally, you got
to decide what you're gonna be. Are you gonna try
and compete today or you're gonna try and build something
that competes And you know, okac is I think the
ultimate reminder of the best soup takes it a long time.

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Sometimes too. You can't if you ever watch Chops, They're like,
don't make a soup in forty five minutes. It will
never get its full flavor. I think sometimes you have
to look at your NBA team and say, are we
trying to make a soup in forty five minutes, because
if you're trying to do that, I don't know how
often that truly works. Like you have to home grow
I think, the majority of it and then pick your

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poison on what you're gonna put around it in a
really calculated way. But I mean, when's the last time
I'll ask this without thinking I'm not putting, I haven't
put any thought into this before somebody destroys me on Twitter,
But like, when's the last time we saw a manufactured
dream team of outside pieces brought together and win an
NBA championship. Off the top of my head, it feels
like it feels like it's been a minute, but it

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feels like we still Charlie Brown at every time. We
still decide every time it's going to be this time.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, And you know, I go back
to that, and you know, we were Kevin and I
were arguing about Maury and I'm like, what, you know, listen,
I mean, he's a quality executive. I'm not saying he stinks,
but well, I missing the genius part. Let me go

(20:36):
build stars and you know, let me go chase James
Harden around the globe. And then you know, let's put
together a group of all these stars. Look what happened
in Brooklyn, right, Look what happened with.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
K D and Harden and Kyrie.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Like I thought that, like like everybody else, that collection,
man's that seems daunting.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
Meanwhile, I was just an unmitting gave a disaster. It
was a flop. I mean, you want to talk about
a Broadway flop, That's what that was. Crazy. All right,
let's say quick to you. We'll continue this conversation as
we talk. NBA playoffs. Win totals are all set in
the NFL, we will do that today. We're looking forward

(21:20):
to doing team by team win totals. FITZI yeah, who
I'm in? All right, thanks, we're the fellas, Jason Fitz Anthony,
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ABC Thunder looking at go up three to zero eight
minutes so series shifts to Minneapolis.

Speaker 2 (22:04):
But that one.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I don't know about you, FITZI, I mean you see
it right, like they just look completely overwhelmed.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
I just don't think Minnesota can have.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Edwards played great and you know they got you know,
Nikhil Walker, I thought, look terrific.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
You know what, they made.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
An interesting coaching, interesting switch where he didn't play. Julius
Randolin played the entire fourth quarter because you see that
slow they look on the floor with them at times,
and they tried to be more athletic and it worked
to extent, but they I just don't think that. I
just think, okay, se he's just too good in the matchups.

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Is too much.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, there are times where you get into a series
and you're like, I'm just looking for this one little adjustment,
Like again, if I wanted to be a beacon of
light in a dark dark world for Knicks Fan's man,
a couple of blown defensive assignments late in that game.
You clean that up. You feel like you're right back
in this series. So I could talk myself back into that.
I have a hard time talking myself into okay, see

(23:09):
losing that series. I just you just Game one felt
every way that we thought it would feel. If that
makes sense, and I just I watched that thought. Man,
this just feels like two teams that if you're in Minnesota,
you're still at the drawing board trying to figure out
how you're gonna surround, Like Anthony Edwards is so stinking good,
and it feels like they're so sticking close. But it

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also just feels like they need a guy or two.
They need extra depth is winning this year and they
don't have that.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
No, I know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I don't know how you uh, I don't know the
matchup wise, I don't, I don't. I mean I liked,
I like Nima said, I like the team. I love
ant Man, and I don't know. I look at him
and the you know the problem too is like go Bear,
do us even work in that series? Go Bear and

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Randall don't work against the athleticism of the OKC frontcourt.

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah, I'm buying what your selling. I'm buying what your
selling one hundred percent. And that's something I always go
back to Danny Green. You know, when I was talking
to Danny Green last year before during the NCAA tournament,
we were working together, and he mentioned one time that
you know, he was on the Spurs and they'd worked
all week on something they were going to implement in
the playoffs, and they got out there and it just
wasn't working. And you know, Danny was like, we went

(24:33):
to the bench and Papa was like, what are you doing?
Like we spent all this time working like this is
the plan, and Danny was like we had to look
at him and be like, got it. Yeah, there's just
better than we are and there's nothing we could do. Like,
there are moments I think sometimes that we have to
remember that, you know, oversimplification of NBA playoffs, But my god,
sometimes it's not that different than playing in the gym,

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Like you know that no matter what you do, you're like, damn,
they're just a little faster, a little better there across
the board, they're a little deeper. They just have every
real advantage there. It's asking Anthony Edwards to be Superman
at this point Superman.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, yeah, I mean you're you're right.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I mean, look, let's face it, the OKC it's clearly
better and that's obvious. But trying to look into the
matchups to it, you know, I mean the Randall go
beaar thing. I think that's that's a tough, tough matchup
and then to your point, and you got Connelly on
the other side of Anton. You know, he's just he's

(25:38):
just older and and he he can't hold up in
this series, I think I would play Alexander Walker more
like I thought that was the right move, and I
would play nas Red more and I would go more,
I go more athletic and try that route.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
Nothing to lose at this point. I mean, I think
you're right, by the way, like at some point you've
got to get just more. I like the way you
say athletic, you got it just feels they feel a
little slow, feel a little a little in the mud
against okay see, which, by the way, credit to Okay See.
I think a lot of teams, do you know. I
just I think we should say again, this is not
this is This is one of my my new resolutions.

(26:21):
You'll appreciate this, knowing me as well as we do
after this many years together. I'm trying desperately when we
look at some of these series to look at the
positives of certain teams instead of the negatives of the situation,
like this is what we do as a society. We
come like, ah, this team socks like not you and I,
but like the world comes in this team socks. I'm
trying instead this playoff run to appreciate really really good. So, like,

(26:43):
I do want to stress that this isn't about the
problems with Minnesota. This is about the quality path with
which Oklahoma City was built.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
That's all.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I'm taking a polly positive approach to the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, I respect that. I do. I respect that.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
Listen, I believe you and I share that opinion when
it comes to you know, look, Thunder is tremendous. I mean, dude, dude,
just what a team. I mean they they are. I mean,
and and SGA is I mean, he's terrific. Just talk
about and I love him too because of he's not

(27:22):
like what do you have? Thirty eight? The other night
and he had two threes, Like that's it. I love that.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
Mid range going to the line.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean, I don't know if he attacks the rim. Yeah,
I just checked two threes, made one of them. He
was one for two.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (27:41):
On the way that thirty act that's wild. That is
that is a wide in modern MBA. That is a
wild number.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
So the other night OKC shoots nine for thirty three,
from three point land that's it nine for thirty three
and they win by fifteen.

Speaker 4 (28:00):
They went effortlessly. I mean, that's that's crazy. That truly is, like,
especially after what we saw in the first two games
in the Eastern Conference front, like the number of time
that times that Indiana late in the game just had
to get hot from three to shoot themselves into these games.
You know, it's like able to make a shot from
anywhere is a big part of it, and that is
not a big part of the way that okay see

(28:22):
is just absolutely handing it to Minnesota. So that is
that is kind of a staggering number. I didn't realize
that as I was watching the game. It didn't feel
that way. And you're a thousand percent right, Like it's
funny because I mean, we are headed into this feels
like a collision course for Indiana and okay See. Not
just because they're up to nothing, like we've learned that
that's meaningless in the playoffs, but just because the way

(28:44):
that's looked through for the first two games, Like I
think we are truly going to get this. You know,
Haliburton versus SGA better get excited for it now, league,
because that's gonna be the inevitability coming at us.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
He Game one thunder shoots, they shot well, they shot
eleven for twenty one fifty only twenty one threes. Oh
my god, it's such a breath of fresh air. Only
twenty one three. You know you're loving that. You know
you are loving that.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Oh it's so great.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Meanwhile, in Game one, and remember, okay, see runs a
way in the second half, Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Shop fifty one.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I mean, maybe maybe mister analytics is wrong. Maybe you
could actually play basketball and win and not just JACKO.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Well, it's the math. It's just the math. You gotta
play with the math, and.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Maybe if you just played basketball, you got a change
to win the game.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
I love it. I'll be honest with you.

Speaker 3 (29:51):
I love it because all those analytic heads, the Maury's
I O you track GPTs is my assistant GM.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
I can't stare at it. I'm be honest with you,
I frigging hate it.

Speaker 4 (30:07):
I think it's it is you got to have a like, look,
you know, I'm somewhere in the middle on analytics and
the one thing I was like, I'm not, you know,
like tool right, but like I think that what the
one thing that has stood out throughout the course of
this entire playoffs is that at some point you have

(30:28):
to have another plan, Like this was the whole question
that was being asked to the Celtics constantly, is like,
well what else are they going to do when the
shots aren't following? It's like, well, this is just who
they are, this is how they're built. Man, I don't
know that you can do that. Like, we'll use the
football equivalent, like, at some point you have to be
able to play complimentary football. We what do we say
all the time in the NFL, Like when it comes

(30:50):
playoff time, you have to be able to run the football,
And even analytics heads will tell you that if you're
not running the ball effectively, there's still value to running
the football because of what it opens up the rest
of the way. So right, like like at some point
you look at the analytics and it's like, gott to
run the ball. I think that at some point the

(31:10):
challenge that will come to the growth of the n
b A is the the in the way the game
is played right now is even if the analytics say
that you can't trade three for twos, that's fine, Like
I understand that at some point the analytics will say, well,
you got to be able to force a basket when
you need a basket, Like, I know, the mid range
jumper is dead. I understand that, but you do need

(31:31):
a way to maximize possessions at some point, and that's
what a little loss. Yeah you're right, Yay, Midra Lives.
I mean you are, you are a thousand percent right,
You're right. He is the challenger to the entire analytics theory.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
I love it defense actually sharing the basketball, playing the sport.
I'm not saying there's no place for freese. I'm just
saying the excessive shooting of the three, which makes the
game ugly and not interesting, also is telling you that's

(32:14):
not how you win.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
And I love it, Fitzy.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Love it.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Score one for the sports all right, for the actual
game itself.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
That's amazing.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Fellas up on Fox, Wow wow wow.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So what do you got on tap for the weekend?
Big Memorial Day weekend? Fitzy?

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Is this a sign of personal growth? Nothing? You know?

Speaker 5 (32:48):
Like?

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Uh yeah, I don't really have anything big on tap,
Like no big, no big sexy plans.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
What about you?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Like, what's the Gargano family? Like you guys to be
doing something big for the weekend. Right, It's just like
there's there's a big family gathering at a lot of pasta,
maybe some a lot of food.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Come on, my older ones going to Costa Rica on
Sunday and in the Monday, so I have to take
him to the airport at three o'clock, three am. He's
got to be there. He's going with school. It's amazing
these trips. Like when I was, he's a freshman in

(33:27):
high school and like, you know, I think our trip was,
you know, you went to New York, went to Manhattan
and you took we took a bus and you went
to Manhattan and that was like your school trip. And
you know one year you did Manhattan because I was
in Philadelphia one year, did you did Manhattan one day?

(33:49):
One year you did d C. And like that was
like the big school trip. Now they got everywhere. You
should see the trips they do. It's unbelievable. Who's going. Look,
I'm fraid I'm not a parent.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
But like, like obviously not a parent, qualify this loudly,
but like how how the hell do parents afford that?
Like I just because we did New York too, and
like my family couldn't afford like selling candy bars was
like was like I grew up broke, right, So when
we took the bus to New York, that few hundred

(34:23):
dollars was like that was a lot of stinking money,
Like there was it was either I came up with
the money or I wasn't going. Like there wasn't really
an option. We didn't have any cash. And so I
just think about like parents and it's like your kid
coming in and saying, well, I want to go to
France on the school trip. It's like people in hell
on ice water too, kiddo, Like, man, I don't know
how parents do that stuff.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Yeah, let me tell you something. It's not it's it's
I got like seventeen jobs. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
I can't eat like which I So I'll tell you
was a fun fact that nobody asked for, but I
was looking at. I was at a vintage toy store
the other day with some buddies and we were talking
about the old Nintendo Super Nintendo. So like when I
was a kid, and we've talked a lot about my
music background, but when I was a kid and I

(35:12):
wanted a Nintendo, like the original Nintendo so bad, right,
So I was salivating over this Nintendo. So I go
to my parents. I'm like, I need, I want this Nintendo.
My Mom's like, well, I'm never gonna have the money
for that. So you want a Nintendo, then you're gonna
find a job. And so here I am like, I
don't know whatever, love of twelve years old, right, practicing
eight hours a day, two and the whole thing. So
I got a paper route at that time. We were

(35:34):
living in Maine for whatever that was. So like, I
got a paper route in Maine and so delivering papers
in the snow for a kid from Vegas from Maine.
So I spent a year building this paper route from scratch,
and like I would get up at three in the morning,
I practiced until I heard the papers delivered to my house.
I delivered the papers, and I come back and practice
till I went to school. Right, So, like there was
a whole thing. And my dad's rule was if he

(35:56):
had to get up and help me with the paper
route in the snow, then he was getting the kind
of my commissions that week because he was basically like
you got to learn, Like you took this job on
at your responsibility. So I spent a year saving the
money from a paper out to get the money for
a Nintendo. Really big deal. I buy the Nintendo right
and this is pre internet, literally, and so like a
week two weeks after I buy the Nintendo, and like

(36:18):
the three games I saved up to buy with it,
the damn Super Nintendo came out. I had no idea
the Super Nintendo was coming out, and they they didn't
they they didn't make it where the games were playable
on the new system, like it was totally. They basically
were just like back then, they were like sorry, Nintendo's
no good brother. I did not buy another Nintendo product
until I got a Wei like whatever twenty something years later.

(36:40):
So like I missed Super Mario Car, all of these
games that are transcendent from most people my age, I
missed all of them because I was so angry at
Nintendo because it took me forever to save up the
damn money to buy one of these things. And then
the Super Nintendo comes out, so like I only think
about that, Oh my god, yeah, like Nintendo. And I
said to this, like, you know, I hesitated. I love

(37:02):
Nintendo games and I hesitate to buy them half the
time because I'm like, you screwed me when I was
a child. That's it's just you don't get through it.
So I don't know how parents do things like trips.
I mean, that's just never what happened for me as
a kid. Ever, No, dude, even my summer it's my
therapy story.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
No, I know, I feel you.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
First of all, I got a lot of questions, like
why what happened in Maine?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
You went from Vegas to Maine.

Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, Well, because when I got into Juilliard and when
I was little and we knew we were my mom
hated the desert. So she literally came home one day
and was like, I want to move anyway, So we're moving.
So we loaded everything that we had left my parents
sold the house, loaded it in the truck, and we
drove to Niagara Falls and flipped a coint and we
knew we wanted to be driving distance to Manhattan so

(37:51):
that I could get in and out of the city
for everything I needed, And so it was between ironically,
it was between like the DC area or Maine. The
point came up ahead. So we went to Maine for
a couple of years and then ended up moving to DC,
after the outside of DC. After that, so.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
Show you went, you would drop, did they? They drove
you from Maine to Manhattan?

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Yeah, my dad and I drove down. My uncle at
the time lived in White Plains, and so my dad
would drive into White Planes. And my uncle's rule when
I was a kid was that if I'm going to
be your hotel, I won't be your restaurant, so you
can't eat here. So my uncle a kind human being,
I said, sarcastically. So we would drive into White Planes.
My dad would get the thirty nine cent Hamburgers. He'd

(38:32):
get like twenty thirty nine cent hamburgers from McDonald's and
just shove those in a bag and that would be
my food for the three or four days that I
was training in and out from White Planes to New
York every day to do that, and then I would
go back up to public school in Maine for the
rest of the week. So I was bouncing back and forth.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
I was everywhere.

Speaker 4 (38:48):
My dad was a hero of a driver for that
whole time.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Oh dude, that's rough man. You read three day old Hamburgers.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
Oh yeah, three day cheeseburgers. We got the cheese. We
spared no expense. They were thirty nine cents for the cheeseburgers.
Let's go.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Oh man, come on, that's not that's not right.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Oh man. We're the fellas. As we hang out on
this Fox Sports Saturday, you're listening to.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Good morning, good morning, very buddy, happy, Happy Memorial Day
weekend here on Fox Sports Radio, very solemn.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
Monday.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Let's not forget Memorial Day and paying respect for all
those who served, all those amazing people that served for us,
those who didn't come home, like my man Chuck, Southside
Chuck who lost friends, who's three generations of family served

(40:00):
and protected us. Jason Fitz Anthony Gargana. We're talking a
lot about the NBA playoffs. We're gonna switch over to
some of the NFL stuff going on. College football Fitsie
fixes the seating issue. We talked about this a lot
last year, and we kind of knew that they would

(40:23):
jump on it. And you know what's funny. I saw
some of the headlines college football tweaking again. Oh changing,
it's planning again.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
They did the right thing. They needed to change that.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
You had a seating issue last year, so do you
needed to change it?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
I applauded them for doing it.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
No, it was the right decision to make. And the
only thing that is funny is they've fixed a problem
that never should have existed. So I do look at
it and I'm like, what were you thinking in the
first place, Like the NCAA has a model for this
already with the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament Women's basketball Tournament.
That kind of tells you how you think you should
have been seated. But at least they got it right now,

(41:04):
and I think that's important, right. I don't want the
college football landscape to get so obsessed with the inevitable
expansion of the playoff that they don't tweak the playoff
that we have right now, and that's an important part
of this to me. So they got it right, and
you know, it's gonna change what we'll see this this
year in the opening weekend of college football for the better.
I think it will. It might it might not bury

(41:27):
some of these matchups the same way, but I do
think it's going to be you know, I think there
was a sneaky benefit to having an Indiana at Notre
Dame sort of opening weekend. So we'll see what seeding
now does. But this was the right thing to do
and the right time to do it, and I'm glad
college football corrected it.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
Yeah, yeah, I thought it was a I mean, you're right,
it was obvious it was. It was a myths to start,
but like you know, I mean, everybody's gonna make you
make mistakes. But the point is to correct it without
all the red tape and nod sets and what are
we going to do here? The next question is how
soon until you go to sixteen?

Speaker 4 (42:09):
I mean they're gonna get their asap as soon as
they possibly can come to an agreement. I would think
they're going to be there, and I think it's it's
inevitable at this point. Whether we want it or not,
it's gonna happen. So we just I'm used to it.
This is the funny thing about me as a personality.
I've Anthony, I've dug into so much that this is

(42:31):
going to happen that when it does happen, While a
lot of people have outraged the expansion of college football playoff,
I just won't because I've already accepted that it's gonna happen.
And yeah, it means we're gonna get some trash blowouts
in the first round. Just like sixteen one games aren't
good in the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, sixteen one games
they're not likely to be good in the NAA College
Football Tournament. But we're still gonna have them, and we're

(42:53):
gonna get them. It's it's I won't have outraged them
because I'm expecting it to be inevitable in the next
couple of years.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, I gotta tell you, I welcome it, like I
love it. It's like sixteen is a better number. It
just fits to me. The whole thing fits you. And
I talked about this Sunday night when we were together,
and I thought I had you a little bit. I

(43:21):
thought I swayed a little bit with the idea of
how the portal has changed things and how.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
You're going to have, you know, a lot more.

Speaker 3 (43:33):
I think parody among the top tiered schools, that you're
not gonna have any Cinderellas or what everyone to talk about.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
They won't exist.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
But at the very top of the food chain, I
think you can get sixteen really good teams.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah, I think you did talk me into it. I
think I've convinced myself if we're being fair, there's very
little to no hope for most mid tier programs within
the big two conferences. So I've sort of convinced myself
that for the most part, the Wisconsins are going to
just the Michigan states of the world are going to

(44:10):
just be floundering in the middle of it. And every
once in a while I'll have a year where you're like,
oh my god, they made the playoffs, but I've convinced
myself that they have less of a chance than ever
of just year in and year out meaningful competition. And
you did sort of talk me out of that because
when you know what, the the proposal, by the way,
for the sixteen team playoff would be four automatic bids

(44:32):
from the SEC and the Big Ten, And in my mind,
I thought, oh man, the fourth best team in the
Big ten's not really going to be a national championship contender.
And after we talked about it and really walked through it,
now I feel like I'm more saying, ah, the second
best team of the Big twelve in the ACC is
not likely to be a championship contended. But if we're
being fair, there's so much growth gonna happen to all
of these conferences. I think you're right. I think we're

(44:53):
gonna end up with you know, better matchups than I
give credit for. I just think most years the top
four team teams are going to be better than thirteen fourteen,
fifteen sixteen. But I do think you're right. There's more
parody that will make one through ten and better matchups
for sure, or even like three through twelve are going
to be better matchups too.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
Yeah, because if you're going to have all those kids
and basically you're going to be stealing from the Max
and the Americans and those conferences, and then the lower
rung of the Big twelve in acc like any of
those lower rung schools are going to lose all their

(45:36):
best players, and you know, they're basically going to be
a minor league type of system for the top echelon
to come in and swoop down.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
And because of nil and salary cap.

Speaker 3 (45:53):
And you're you know and all the talent, I think
it'll get dispersed somewhat evenly, like you're still gonna have
your you know, Like I'll ask you this, I'll put
it this way. If you're a backup at Alabama and
you are a you know, four star recruit and the
whole thing back up at Alabama and you're there just

(46:14):
to wait, you know, to wait your turn, and you're
gonna get your turn.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
It's like a d lineman at Georgia, right.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
Like you know, you're gonna there's a there's a lot
of you, and you're gonna wait your turn.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Well, no longer now do you have to wait to
come and play.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
And you're gonna go to one of the top schools
and play right away, right after you make a name
for yourself in one of those other conferences.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
So so let me ask you a philosophical question. Then
if you are, I'm gonna pick a couple of schools here, uh,
you and LV Memphis, you know, group of five schools
that last year were right on the fringe of winning
the automatic bid for the highest seated group of five.
Would you rather if you were let's say UNLV, who

(47:03):
turned down the Pac twelve in their expansion. If you're UNLV,
would you rather be the best of the Mountain West
and just take your shot that you can be the
best mid major group of five every year? Or would
you rather fight to get into the Big twelve eventually
because they get two automatic bids in the college football playoffs,

(47:23):
and it feels like we're gonna end up with really
these four, these four conferences, the ACC, Big twelve, SEC,
and Big ten kind of taking over.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Yeah, I would shoot for to be in the Big twelve.
But to your point, you know, there is another road, right.
The other road is what's going to happen. And it's funny.
Kevin and I were talking about this, are buddy Kevin
Nigandi from ESPN, who does a great job covered in
college football, and we were talking about what's going to happen,

(47:54):
and so there's gonna be it's just a matter of
time before it's a you know, Big ten, SEC, AFC,
NFC model, right, and there's basically just two conferences split
up into divisions, and.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Which I support, by the way. I would love that,
by the way, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
And then you know, you figure that's going to be
I don't know, forty to fifty teams, and then there
are forty to sixty teams, and then everybody else is
going to be in a secondary league. Now do you
want to be a second in the secondary league that
has a chance to win the secondary title?

Speaker 2 (48:38):
It's going to go there's no way it can't go
to the.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
European soccer where you have relegation in the Premier League
and then the second whatever. What's the second league in England?

Speaker 4 (48:57):
I just know that they do relegation. I don't know
what the second.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
League called, right, but you'll have that right.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
So you'll have, you know, you'll have you'll probably have
relegation because there's a great push for it. It's a
very interesting push and you can't have it in professional sports,
but you could have it in college.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
The funny thing is the way you said win the
secondary title, and that's that's almost it feels almost like
the n I T. You know, like at some point
programs just don't think it's worth it. What will they
want to play it? Will they not want to play it?
It gets really interesting when this goes to two mega
conferences because then you're you're really going to have to
decide are you in or out on college athletics, because

(49:37):
if you're out completely on big time football, you know,
maybe maybe basketball becomes such a different siphon that like
you can be okay with it, but it is really
it's interesting because as things stand right now, if we
don't go to two power conferences that rule the world.
I would make the argument that from a program standpoint,

(50:00):
what I want is the exposure of constantly being in
the playoff. What I don't want is the exposure of
constantly getting my ass kicked in a mega conference. So,
like I think, if you're really talking about the overall
optics of your school and the front porch of your
school is they like to say college athletics, athletics are
all the time. I'd rather be a team like UNLV

(50:21):
than a team like Vanderbilt for example, that's just going
to be in the SEC to get just ramroded by
all the real good teams and just sit there and
you know, take their punishment and say please, they're going
to have another and never really put a competitive products
on the field. So I think it's probably more beneficial
to be, Hey, over here, we might be more of

(50:42):
a development. We might be the launching pad program, but
we're going to constantly launch towards the college football Playoff,
which gets you the most eyeballs to be seen.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
You know.

Speaker 4 (50:51):
I think that's maybe your sales pitch on it. There
are going to be a lot of teams in the
bottom half of the Big Ten in the SEC if
it really goes to two mega conferences that are gonna
have to look in the mirror and figure out if
they even want to be competitive. And the answer from Vanderbilt,
for example, has always been, well, no, Realistically, the SEC
is happy with Vanderbilt being in there because it helps

(51:12):
their graduation rate numbers, but also it's an easy win
for SEC teams, and Vandy likes the paycheck of being
in the SEC. But none of those teams, that team's
not actually consistently good. So if you're doing something like relegation,
what happens to the bottom half of these power conferences
that aren't really putting in any effort into being great programs.
They just happen to be grandfathered into something that makes

(51:33):
them a bunch of money.

Speaker 3 (51:34):
Right, and then the beauty of relegation is it'll help
them hold them accountable.

Speaker 4 (51:40):
Yeah, how are you really like, you know, it's just
an interesting like yeah. Like, so let's say Vandy, you know,
the college football landscape that we know is so different
from conference to conference. If Vandy wins one game, Sorry Vanderbilt,
I'm picking on you, But if Northwestern wins one game
in the Big Ten and then You've got Memphis over

(52:01):
here that just absolutely destroys the AAC. The level of
competition between those two schools is so different, especially if
we've separated into two mega conferences. How do they pick
which teams are being brought up? It almost be like
a is it committee deciding because the the wins loss
is alone.

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I guess if you're in what and you're a the
final four of If you're in the final four of
that secondary league, you then move up and the lower tier,

(52:41):
the low four go in conference.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
I mean, could you imagine like if you're Northwestern and
it's a schedule year where you drew Ohio State, Penn State, Oregon,
you drew all of these in one year in your
Northwestern and you win one football game and then all
of a sudden, that means you get relegated out of
the Big and for a team that you know, UNLV
team that just won eleven games, but they did it

(53:07):
against the Mountain West, which at this point is you know,
in this new system we're talking about, God only knows
how much money they're actually investing in any of these programs.
So now this this one one loss, or this this
one win, Big ten or SEC school gets kicked out
for a team that they played, you know, nobody coming
in Like, I think people will be more up in

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arms about that than we think coming into it. I
love the idea. I just I wonder somebody somewhere is
going to have to have the foresight to be able
to look at strength to schedule and the difference in
who you're playing to figure out.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
Remember one thing, right, you know, you if you go
to this model where you have an AFC and NFC, right.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
Huge divisions.

Speaker 3 (53:56):
There's two conferences and then the conferences meet for the championship,
like it's an AFC and NFC, you're your Big ten
is now tripled or quadrupled, right.

Speaker 4 (54:09):
So yeah, you're you're absorbing the Big twelve and the
ACC into these mega conferences. It's not just a Big
ten and the I'm.

Speaker 3 (54:16):
Explaining it like it's the AFC the NFC. So it
just like the AFC the NFC, only larger, right, because
you have more teams.

Speaker 4 (54:26):
So you're taking like the top forty forty teams or something, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
And maybe fifty maybe maybe the top sixty comprise the
tier one of college football.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
I mean, go through it.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
So if you're doing the top six, like I guess.
My question is are you relegating within? Like, so, is
it one of those things where it's basically the SEC
and the Big ten it's sixty teams and you're relegating
within your own conferences where it's like, all right, the
bottom from in a different league.

Speaker 3 (54:56):
Yeah, two from the you know, the two worst teams,
and let's call the AFC the Big ten, in the
NFC the SEC. All right, so you have two teams
in the SEC and two teams from the Big ten,
those bottom two teams get relegated and the final four

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of the secondary league move up.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
That's I mean, it's just it's man, because now you.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Just do one Like I guess, I'm not the you know,
I don't know all the ins and outs, but the
relegation thing, I think it's only one team.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
I think it would make more sense. Look, if you
were relegating, if you basically had a split line within
the SEC and the Big ten where it's like, all right,
you're you're now in SEC light and you're now in
Big ten light because you finished poorly, and we're moving
those schools from Big ten light into Big ten automatic,
you know what I mean? So like, I'm taking your
sixty teams that are in these two.

Speaker 3 (55:57):
Mega Big ten Light is playing in this secondary league.

Speaker 4 (56:05):
Big ten Light is still playing Big ten teams. They
just can't. I don't know, because like, in this situation,
the best of the rest will have won a bunch
of games against the bottom twenty programs together. Like, so
how do you judge in this situation? Like, how do
you relegate? How do you justify relegating a Big ten team?
For let's say we're using the Big.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Ten as a as a holder. It's really not the
Big Ten. It's a conference with thirty teams in it.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Yeah, but but those thirty teams, like the teams that
are left out of these top sixty teams in this scenario,
so like you're talking about the bottom the bottom sixty
teams of college football will have played such trash opponents
because all of the good teams and all of the
money are all going to be going into these these
two conferences. That's all. I'm like, I'm still struggling to
figure out how whatever the imaginary conference be, is the

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worst team in imaginary conference is still going to have
played a much stuffer schedule, then Yukon will have of
the you know, beating up on the teams that don't.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I mean, you know, I mean I'm sure that. I'm
sure in that Premier League they have the same issue, right.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
They must, And I don't know, I'm thrown again.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
We're just kind of talking it out and talking through it,
which is kind of fun. I love this stuff. So
we're just talking through it. And I'm sure there's plenty
of holes. We didn't come in and go all right,
here's the plan. At some point, I will because it's fun.
But you know, I mean, they may not do any
regular relegation, but I I've heard that, I've heard it

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thrown out a bunch of times that I think that
they'll probably do something. I think they'll probably institute at
some point. I mean, I just think the landscape is
going to change so dramatically that you know, I mean,
it feels little you see it right like you see
it now, So why why wouldn't it whittle down? And

(58:01):
then you were to have a lot of these other
schools to your point that are just going to focus
on basketball because basketball is cheap er than football, right,
Roster size is the obvious, but then everything else, all
the facilities and training staff, supplemental staff.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
That you need for a football program.

Speaker 3 (58:22):
You know, basketball is cheap, so you can compete in basketball.
I think you'll have schools that will be baseball only schools,
maybe even hockey only schools, or you know, you have
your ancillary sports, but they focus on hockey where they
put all their money. At some point, athletic departments may

(58:42):
just look to put and invest in whatever avenue. They think, Well,
if you're Boston University, your bu why wouldn't you just
go all in on hockey and not and not worry
about you know, basketball, football or anybody anything else.

Speaker 4 (58:58):
You're a thousand percent right report all of that.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
I just think it could be it will provide some order.
There's no order. It's chaos now.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
So if you're UNLV squad can't pay its quarterback and
had all the issues because they couldn't suddenly didn't have
the money like they promised them the money and then
the money didn't come through, well, at some point, you know,
the university has to make that, make good on that,
or just get out of the football business. And you're
gonna see a lot of that. I think you'll see
a lot of universities dump football.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
I think we're gonna see universities dump football and basketball. Well,
there's a lot to talk about on this, for sure.
I think, yeah, I think they're gonna dump both over
over time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah. It's an interesting, you know proposition.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
The whole thing where the Fellas Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano
push push lives, the brotherly shove lives. Oh, FITSI I
celebrated the other day. I want to get your thoughts
on it. Next Fellas on five.

Speaker 7 (59:58):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Fellas from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Hanging out with
you on Memorial Day, weekend, Saturday, all the playoffs happen
and everything NFL. We're gonna do our wind totals coming
up next hour. It's really excuse ever over. I know,

(01:00:34):
it's excuse really just to dive into all the teams
and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
And I'm sure we'll do it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
It's May, so the end of May, we'll probably do it,
you know, once again in June at some point, definitely
in July, and most certainly in August, So we'll revisit
these wind totals several times just to kind of go
through it and talk what we love to talk, which
is football, my man. So, speaking of which, the owners

(01:01:04):
meet in Minneapolis this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
We all thought it was the end of the Tush
push play. But it wasn't. Even though everybody thought.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Chefty right, all of the Amena coins, all the NFL insiders,
and I get it, like this whole thing was done
so that the NFL could could kill it, right, Like,
all right, we're at a tablet until May, and they'll
get enough votes except Jeffrey lore In, the owner of

(01:01:37):
the Eagles, and Jason Kelsey who flies in as a
special testimony in passion plea, and they're able to get
ten owners to vote for the Tush push and they
pass it. They're able to keep the toushbush legal by

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two votes.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Absolutely huge. It was the right thing to do. I
keep saying that banning the Tousch push when only one
team is properly executing it, to me, would have been stupid.
The fact that we just saw in the playoffs the
bills inability to execute a Toush push was part of
the reason that they didn't advance, right, So I mean,

(01:02:21):
at some point, taking away what one team is doing
really well simply because you don't like the way it
looks is a wildly slippery slope. Now, my question to
the world is what happens if a team decides that
they just want to come in and not even have
wide receivers. They just want to have everybody lined up
close to the line of scrimmage and just grind the
ball four yards at a time down the field, suck

(01:02:42):
up the whole clock and try and win games three
to nothing. That should be a team's prerogative, even if
it's not pretty football. Now, at some point, to me,
if you take this away simply because Philly can't be stopped,
that's like going to Randy Moss at his heyday and saying, hey,
here are the four routes that we figured out nobody
can actually cover you on. So as a result, you
can no longer run those routes. Like the war doesn't

(01:03:04):
work that way. So I thought it was gross, and
I understand, and I've heard everybody tell me that, you
know a lot of this comes from Roger Goodell not
not loving the way the play looks, and doesn't think
it's it's aesthetically pleasing football or the way the game
should be played, all of these things. I don't give
a damn about any of that. This is that moment
where to me, teams shouldn't be spending their time trying

(01:03:25):
to outlaw the play. Teams should be spending their time
trying to figure ot how to emulate the play, but
figure out who on your and how the team can
do it. And then once you figure out how you
can execute it, maybe you can also figure out how
to stop it. Like I just I feel like this
is you can't just sit there, throw your hands up
and beg for something to be outlawed simply because you

(01:03:46):
can't figure out how to make it a play that
isn't as effective. So wildly, I'm incredibly happy that this
is not actually happening.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
You know, it's funny too, is that you know it's
a play that we have talked way too much about
right for the frequency of which it happened, facts and
which it's deployed. But it's really a product of goes
back to al roach LEI, back to football. So it's
some stupid play that's used, you know, a small percentage

(01:04:18):
of the time, but everybody talks about it because it
it affects our game, man, Like it's may and there's
more toush push talk than Nicks Pacers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:30):
Which is a reminder that my god, absolutely football is
king and everything. And I just don't I don't understand
why this got so contentious. I don't understand why we
spend so many hours talking about it. I understand why
it's frustrating. I feel it like it's like playing Madden.

(01:04:52):
If you're any good at Madden and you know that
you can always quarterback sneak for the last half yard,
like it feels like that's just unfair. Blah blah blah
blah blah. Okay, the entire league is doing it and
the conversion rate is out of control, then now you
have something you can base it on and say, hey,
like extra points, we're gonna change it. Or if there's
actually injury information And I cannot scream this loud enough,

(01:05:14):
my friend, the entire NFL can kiss my ass when
they sit here and tell me that anything's about player
health and safety, because you are also in a league
that is openly admitting they're going to add an eighteenth game.
You know, what's better for health and safety than taking
out one play that's run a few times a game
at most by one team. How about a whole extra

(01:05:37):
game of football. So like the concept that the league
is gonna come here and be like, well, you know,
we're really concerned about health and safety. You're not so
concerned about health and safety that you're not considering adding
an entire extra game where players won't have health and safety.
I just I want to vomit every time I hear
health and safety thrown down my throat as some sort
of reason for anything. Because the players, if they really

(01:05:59):
cared about it, they could, they could address it in
the collective bargaining agreement, but they don't. They always take
the money because that's really what it's all about. And
if the league actually cared about it, then they could
address it, and they don't because they also want the
extra money. So at some point, just be honest with us.
Tell us you don't care about your own health and safety.
Tell us you don't care about your players health and safety.

(01:06:19):
Tell us you only care about the money. But if
you're gonna do that, I just want you to do
that while you look me in the eyes. I don't
want you then to turn around and tell me that
health and safety should matter on the toush push when
it doesn't matter when it's adding an extra game.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Stupid. Well put, man, I'm gonna tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
I'll get off my self box now. I get up
myself box now.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
No, I well put, dude, you're a spot on because
it's like, you know, we've talked so much about it,
and you know how about they need to get rid
of it and everything else.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
It's the banting of their existence.

Speaker 3 (01:06:55):
I mean, you know, come on, like, you can't hypocrisy,
you can go down that road. So I'd rather than
just say I hate the play. It's ugly, right like,
I rather goodell, just go yeah, this place bogus. It
doesn't look full like football, doesn't feel like football. I
want it out, like whatever, that's all you gotta do.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Do you know how much I think our society would
absolutely thrive and gravitate towards that from any sports commissioner
instead of just sitting here and throwing us all a
line of junk. If you came out and you're like, hey, guys,
we've looked at the play and it just it looks ugly.

(01:07:37):
It like if Roger Goodell came out, I'll go back
to the eighteenth game. If Roger Goodell came out and said,
you know what, we don't feel good about an eighteenth game,
but we know you guys are gonna watch it, and
we can make so much money doing it. Frankly, we're
just going to do it. You know how electric that
would be the net Like no talk show anywhere, no

(01:07:59):
debates show, no information show would be able to sit
there and argue about any of it because you'd be
looking at it and saying, oh, well, at least he
was honest. I mean, they're doing it for the money,
so okay. Like if players came out and said, oh,
we hate this collective bargaining agreement and we understand that
this could be doing incredible damage to our bodies, but
you know there's two thousand union members and we want

(01:08:21):
the money, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Yeah, I mean you want believe it. Right, It's not
the first business.

Speaker 3 (01:08:26):
That's a harrowing business, right, Like you you watched the.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Do you watch the fishing shows?

Speaker 4 (01:08:34):
Like the Oh yeah, I've seen so yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:08:37):
Right, Like you know, I mean those guys make a
lot of money. It's also extremely dangerous, right, like you know,
you at the first one to put your life on
a life for danger.

Speaker 4 (01:08:47):
I think that level of honesty, you know, if if
they just came out and just spelled it for us,
like in a way that any idiot can't debate it,
You're I respect it. I genuinely believe that the NFL
handled the toasch push that way. Like if teams even
came out and said, you know what, I just don't
like the fact that we can't stop it. It doesn't

(01:09:09):
look good and we can't stop it. So you know,
if you can't stop it, at least try and make
it illegal. I think if they had just come out
with that level of blunt honesty, we'd all be saying, well,
you know, I understand where they're coming from from that,
Like you may not appreciate it, but you can't argue
it if you understand it. That's just blunt honesty the
only way that everybody shuts up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Yeah, man, you're so right.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
I've been wondering that forever, like why don't they just
give you a supreme honesty like just before for it,
Like what are you trying to when, especially when you
have situations where everybody knows the truth and the real deal.
Why would you just come out and go and just
be whatever the issue is. Yeah, well, I mean we

(01:09:53):
had to do it, like X, Y and Z.

Speaker 2 (01:09:55):
I the guy you know, forget. I'm trying to figure
the situation.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
I mean, my friend, I was sitting at a dinner
with one of my buddies not too long ago, and
he was complaining about everything in his job with a
bunch of us that know him well and have all
worked around him, and he was just complaining the whole
time about how much he hates everything about his job.
And I looked at him and I was like, dude,
you've had so much success in your life and you

(01:10:20):
could go out and start your own thing. You could
do anything you want to. If you hate your job
so much, why don't you just quit? And he just
looked at the whole table and he's like, huh, I
got a wife, I got kids, and I make too
much money. It's golden handcuffs. I can't replace the income
I make and it makes life manageable doing it that way.
And the funny thing is, I think the entire table

(01:10:42):
walked away from that with a different understanding of who
he is. Like there's a level of yeah, no, now
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Like, you know, you're kind of a pain in the ass,
but she explained why you're a pain of the ass.
And now we're all like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you
need the money. Like that's real. I think we as
a society respect anybody that comes. I was like, you
know what, I hate my job, but I get paid
so much damn money. I'm gonna do it and be
miserable while I do it. Now, I'll accept you being
miserable now because at least I understand.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, exactly, Like we all have a choice. And you know,
if you go down a route we were talking about
earlier about the family figure, how expensive it is.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Where the fellas, Uh, let's uh, there's a million things.

Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
You got this flag football thing that's interesting. You got
some insight on that college flag.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Football, knowledge on flag football.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
All right, I want to hear it. Let's talk about it, Fellas.
Jason Fitz Anthony Gargana right here. Fox Sports Radio. Fellas, Hey,
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Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. I educate me on
this flag football situation and the Olympics.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
So I had my mind blown this week. Yahoo Sports
I host Inside Coverage, their podcast with a bunch of
our insiders, and we were doing our production call on
Monday to get ready for Tuesdays taping, and somebody mentioned
flag football, and Charles Robinson said, well, you know, it's
pretty clear what all of this is about, and all
of us on the call were like, no, no, no,

(01:12:40):
please please extrapolate like I wasn't aware. And so we
ended up getting a deep dive masterclass in flag football
that I would encourage anyone to go check out the
show because frankly, it opened my eyes. Brother, it blew
my mind a little bit. Like we sit here and say, Okay,
NFL players are playing in the Olympics, that's cool for
flag football whatever, But what this really comes down to

(01:13:02):
is the league owners have been for years watching the
international particularly like the Chinese success of the NBA, and
one of the things that places like China have is
an advantage for the NBA is all you need is
a ball and a hoop. And so the NFL has
been looking for years with the process of trying to
grow globally for monetary purposes. They want international money, right,

(01:13:24):
so trying to figure out how to grow globally. The
concept for years has been how do we grow this
sport in a global way? And the easiest way to
do that is become part of something that only requires
a ball and a field. So the advantage here is
we want the entire world to fall in love with
playing football in a way that will then benefit the NFL.

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So what's interesting is that teams, GMS, coaches, they don't
love any part of this because there's a fear of
what if a player gets injured all of the things
that we've talked about as fans. Owners literally look at
players in this situation as some level of collateral damage.
If there's a process that God forbid results in a

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player getting injured, most of the owners don't care if
it means that they can get the global growth that
they need. So what's interesting year is players And then
you look at the player's side of it and you say, okay,
how many players want to play? Well, you know, talking
to some people that were involved and had been around
the players union, they'll tell you that part of what
players love about this is fifty three players get a

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get a ring every year for the Super Bowl. Only
about a dozen players are going to get a gold
medal every four years, which is substantial. But also they
looked at the marketing for people like Kobe when they
went over to China with Nike, and they saw what
it did to their global brand. The fact is, if
you're Ashtan genty, most of your success here has come

(01:14:48):
with the Boise State helmet on it and will come
with the Raiders helmet on it in the NFL. But
if you're playing flag football, well, now, when we start
to get to the NFL being involved in the Olympics,
when Nike trots all of their Nike the athletes over
to China and Egypt and you know, everywhere the rest
of the world, and you start seeing these players without
helmets on because that's how they play flag football. It

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changes their monetized capability for players as well. So players
are looking at it saying, man, this is my chance
to get my brand as an individual bigger. Nike looks
at it and says, this is a chance to make
our brands bigger, and the NFL says more important than
the eventual eighteen international games that we're going to have anyway,
this is a way for us to get NFL players

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paraded around the world in a way to get people
playing football. Brother like, this was the first step. I genuinely,
after hearing all the conversations and getting some of this knowledge,
I would be stunned if the NFL isn't part of
trying to grow an actual flag football NFL back to
league like this. This is this is the beginning of
the NFL in.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Women of it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Now you open it up to women like you know, well,
I's saw a huge growth in my area with high
school flag football and women and girls high school flag football.

Speaker 2 (01:16:07):
Huge. Girls love it.

Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
It's the fastest rising youth sport in America right now.
I didn't know that. And also twelve states have already
started the process of bringing varsity teams to their high
schools for flag football for men's and women. So now
think about what we were talking about earlier with college
football and all of these regulations and NIL and Title nine. Well,

(01:16:31):
these are more athletic scholarships that can be offered to
women in women's sports as well. Like, I man, I
wonder if we're a few years away from having a
flag football team for Clemson, a flag football team for Georgia,
Like these are easy in NFL fans, I.

Speaker 2 (01:16:49):
Don't care in the spring, right, like, so you have
to play that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Yeah, And NFL fans are like, wow, I know it's
not going to look like the football I want. This
is going to suck. I think what NFL fans have
to understand is that we're not really the audience. Like
the audience for this are people that haven't necessarily gotten
into the NFL. So how do you get a seven
on seven, open, scoring, flashy plays, fast people everywhere like

(01:17:13):
this is? This is a dream come true for the NFL.
They're trying to get people that don't even like football
into flag football, hoping that then they get into tackle football.
But also to your point, spring, like, could you not
see in a decade where the Las Vegas Raiders play
the Denver Broncos in flag football in the spring and
Allegiance Stadium, like I certainly could. To me, this is

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the beginning, not the end.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yes, I think you're I think you're spot on. I do.

Speaker 3 (01:17:41):
I think you're right on with it, from the global
nature of it without helmets to now you have no
safety issues. Right, there's no head and concussion issues. The
only thing is, oh fits heat. I could I just
be honest for a second. I don't don't really like it.

Speaker 4 (01:18:03):
I respect it. I don't like us to break down.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Come on, I mean, listen. I think it's great for kids,
all right, I do. I think it's great for I
think its existence is holy positive. It's a good thing.
There's an aesthetically we'll talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Fellas, you don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
All right, that's us. Welcome back, fellas, Jason Fitz Anthony
Gargano on this Memorial Day weekend, Saturday, as we approach
the gateway to summer, Memorial Day weekend always the gateway
to summer. Summer twenty twenty five looms, So hopefully everybody's

(01:18:47):
going to have a nice relaxing weekend. Joy yourselves. Are
you a are you a cookout man.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
I'm not very good, Like can can I be the
one honest manner in America that just admits that, Like
I'm not great with a grill. I'm a really good cook,
I'm just not great with a grill. Like I don't know.
Part of it's a lack of lack of you know,
over and over and over again trying it. But like
I have a grill, but I feel like I use

(01:19:15):
it like four times a year, and then when I do,
like because I don't use it as often, it just
isn't as consistent a cook for me. So like I
don't grill out often. So I don't know, Like you know,
some of these I like going to them, but also
I don't know, I'm sort of a snob. I think
I can admit that, like potato salad and like you

(01:19:36):
know that sort of stuff like it in especially like
living in the South all those years, it gets really
like hot and gross quick. I'm torn on this, Anthony,
Like you can, like the city kid in me right
now is really coming out because like none of this
is manly at all. But yeah, I'd rather be an
air conditioning than out of the grill. Usually I can say.

Speaker 3 (01:19:56):
That, Wow, you know, it's crazy. We may be the
only two men alive because I'm just like you. I'll mean, like, honestly,
it's terrible. I feel if there's one thing I feel
like a failure in life, it's the you know, suburban

(01:20:21):
dad thing. I feel like I failed it. Like I'm
good with everything, like I'm good. I feel parts of
it like I'm I'm I excel in the sports dad, Baseball, football,
basketball dad, right, like because that rules my life.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
So I'm good at that. But man, I don't even
own a grill.

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
And my wife like like, yeah, my wife's like I
don't understand you. And you know, we're the only people
don't have a grill and blah blah blah. And I
usually hear it like three times a summer and it's like, well,
you gotta just just got to do it, Like, how
come we don't have a grill. I'm thinking of myself.
I know, I'll like, I like you, I could cook,

(01:21:09):
like I do a big Christmas eve thing. I cook
probably twice a week, but I don't know what it is.
I'm intimidated by the grill.

Speaker 4 (01:21:21):
There's something too, you know, we're all sort of creatures
of environment everything. But like, I think there are certain
things growing up as a little kid in Vegas. I
just maybe it's different now, But when I grew up
in Vegas, it's one hundred and ten degrees in the
middle of summer. So the whole concept of standing outside
and in front of fire hot grill by the way, yeah,

(01:21:43):
zero interest in doing that. And then you know I've
gotten older, and then just out of my own in life,
it just was the skill I never really felt the
need to pick up. It's funny because I've been looking
at griddles lately. I like the idea of a griddle
more than I like the idea of a grill. But
then there's still the walking outside to cook. And it's
just like, man, I can I can do all that

(01:22:03):
on a stove and I feel pretty pretty confident and
I know I can whip up anything that is really,
really good. So why do I need to add the
element of going outside and turning on, you know, the
outside cooking device, and then you know, dealing with the
bugs and humidity, and it's just it's the grossness. Yeah,
Like I'm I'm a Whenever I go to a restaurant

(01:22:24):
and they're like, oh, would you like to sit outside?
My answers like, hell, no, I don't want to sit outside.
Like I like my temperature to be controlled, you know,
I like to be in a cold house like I like, yeah, no,
I'm I'm I'm out on most of these elements. And
I realized that that makes me the least manly man ever.
But at least I can admit it, you know, like,
well I can admit these flaws.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
Yeah I do, Like I like the al fresco eating,
but not I don't know. I also failed the backyard,
Like I look at it. My wife's like it's gross,
and it's it's expansive, like we live.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
In South Jersey.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
I you know, part of it is I was happy
in a row house, right like I so having a
like a house in the suburbs is it's a lot
of upkeep. And you know, I'm not good at that
stuff like that. There's guys that are great at it,
Like they can build everything, fire pits and landscape and

(01:23:25):
they can do it all.

Speaker 2 (01:23:26):
And I just have no skill and it frustrates me.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
And every time I tried it a couple times and
I fail miserably, like I stink at it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:34):
The about the only thing in the world I'm allergic to,
and I'm really allergic to it is the chemical that's
released when grass gets cut. So I literally can't like
if I try to cut my own grass, my skin
will welt up and I won't be able to breathe.
I have to wear the mask and do the whole thing.
So I literally have to pay somebody to cut my grass.
And you know how cheap I am. Like, so I'm

(01:23:58):
like the thought of like I hate the fact that
I have to spend money on somebody to cut my grass,
but like my grass needs at this point to be
like seated and like I need I need turf builder
and all of these things, and people keep telling me that.
I'm like, yeah, I'm not going to prioritize that. That's
just not as long as as long as the dogs
can run on the grass, and there's no problem, which

(01:24:19):
they can. They're divots now out there, and like everyone's like, oh,
I got to get that fixed. I'm like, well, why
am I gonna? Am I hosting a flag football tournament
in my backyard? Like I'm not that worried about it,
Like I could never go outside in the backyard, like
I am not the person that, like Animeel, likes to
run after the ball over and over and over again.
So I do that, and like I go out for
walks with the dogs every day, like I do all

(01:24:40):
of these things around the neighborhood. But I am never
going to be a person like I have an outdoor
the like patio set sort of thing that I think
in five years i've sat on once. I'm like, there's
a waste of money. Like I just I'm never the
guy that's like, oh, so let's go sit outside, like
get covered by pollen while I eat. That doesn't sound
like fun.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
God, work, Ah, that's great, that's great. Listen, I want
to turf my field.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
My my, oh, that's such a good idea.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
Well, I want to do it for because I mean,
I'm putting together a quarterback, uh like workout thing in
my back so I could be Marv Marinovich for my
twelve year old. Did it throw today?

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
He'll know?

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
But we're all from baseball this weekend, and uh we
got a big throwing session tomorrow morning.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Let's go football season, baby.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
I mean, I'd be all in for turfing, Like when
I was looking at Vegas again and thinking, oh, should
I moved to Vegas. Like one of the things that
that is kind of interesting is like it's almost impossible
out there to actually plant grass because of the water shortage.
So when I was talking to people that have dogs
out there, what do you do, It's like, well, they
get they get dog turf and they play that in

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the backyard. And I'm like, I don't I don't hate
the idea of turf. I mean, I don't know exactly
how that handles like waste from the dog put, you know,
and I imagine like it gets stinky. I don't know,
but I do know that like the concept of never
having to cut my grass, Like, yeah, if it wasn't
for the fact that I like to sit down and
play a musical instrument at two in the morning, if
I feel like it, I'm totally the type of person

(01:26:22):
that'd be like, yep, shared wall, don't care, no lawn,
all in for it. Give me the least amount of
maintenance possible. Like I think, as I get older, I'm
learning that I would be totally okay being an apartment
guy if it wasn't for my love of dogs and music.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Yeah, now I can see that. Yeah, I used to
joke all the time about I can live in a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
There see these like these dudes, Yeah, you know they
live in a hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:26:45):
You know they're there, or they're you know, Central Park
right live. They have their big spot in the city.
Like I always thought, big flat. I always thought that
was attractive, but you know not when you have kids.

Speaker 4 (01:27:03):
Oh yeah. I always like, there was always a part
of me that wanted like downtown loft, living in a
rustic building where the inside's modern but the outside is
all brick. I always thought like maybe phenomenal, it's just
for me. It's mostly about like you, what do you do?
Like where am I throwing the ball with Annabel? Now
I'd have to be like on a rooftop situation, and

(01:27:24):
that's just then having her run around the rooftop and
that's like a different level of money like that that takes.
Now you're talking about I want the whole top floor
of a building the park, Yeah, And I just like, yeah,
there's a part of me too even with that, Like
this sounds so weird, But when I was talking to
Vegas friends and I was like, what do you do

(01:27:44):
with your Like how do you play with your dog
during the day, and it's like, you don't you take
them to an indoor dog park with the reservation or
you play with them at night. And I'm like, God,
I can't imagine that for Annabelle, Like I just like
because she's such an active dog, and it's so easy
for me right now to be like, oh, yeah, you
want to go outside. We'll go outside and throw it
for half an hour and then you'll just like collapse inside.
Like so it's a weird thought for me to be like,

(01:28:06):
load up in the car and we'll go down the
street to the dog park. Like I don't know. I
also weirdly, as an animal lover, I don't trust other
people with their dogs as much as I trust me
with my dog. So, like I dog parks aren't my
favorite anyway. It's it's weird how much my decisions on
what to do in life are dictated by, you know,
the fact that I will always have dogs.

Speaker 3 (01:28:25):
That's awesome, man, can they're the greatest. We got my
I got my my man's right over here, go Goots.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
He's a big sheep dog.

Speaker 4 (01:28:35):
That's I love the fact that even even your dog
has a better nickname. Like that's just like gogoots Like
that just feels so good. Like gogots.

Speaker 3 (01:28:46):
Well he looks like he's got a huge head and
he's a monster, and he's, uh, you know, he's just
scared of his own shadow. He's huge, right, Like he's
a monster. It's my man, he's the greatest. So well
you know that, my little one. They'll tack wrestle with
them in all. He's the best. So we love him.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
He's you know, he's bes he's the goots. Where's the
goots at?

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
And the goots will come running to get his big head,
and you know he's cool. They're the greatest gift ever.
These dogs, they're you know, I mean, we're a dog family.
So we've we've had you know, we always have them
and they're just the best. They're part of family. They're
just beautiful, beautiful creatures. Man, they're God's gifts. They really are.

(01:29:33):
All right, So we got our Memorial Day conversation out there.
We learned that you and I are two losers.

Speaker 4 (01:29:39):
So let's I mean, I'm gonna stay off Twitter after
this for a minute because I just wes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:47):
The it's part of it, man, no problem, Uh, I
gotta I gotta get one thing with test and then
why would to start a win total conversation? Uh, the
flag football thing, it's it's great, Like I like, I
feel guilty not liking it. But here's what I don't

(01:30:08):
like about it. And I got both my kids played it.
They like my little one still plays. But like you
go to this, you go to the facility and there's
there's you know, fifteen games, twenty games going on at
the same time, and they're like whatever, it is thirty

(01:30:31):
minutes long, forty minutes long, and they're quick. The games
are are really really quick, and it's a lot of like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
You know, I mean, I get there.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
These guys taking really serious with plays and this and that,
and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
It feels like a microwave.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Football. It feels like microwave football. And like I tell
my little one, who's might both of them play? One
plays in high school and the other one plays uh
and waited game, waited ball. And I'm like, yo, like
you when you play football, you are you're at practice Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

(01:31:16):
you have walk through on Friday, you play on Sunday,
like like you devote a lot of time and you're
out all summer long, banging and working and doing every
like that is a ton of time and work that
you're putting in, whereas flag.

Speaker 2 (01:31:36):
Football, you know, you would show up to the.

Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
Half hour before they have a little practice and then
they go play a game. And I and I stressed,
especially to my little one because he plays quarterback, so
he's like, you know, he like enjoys the flag football
thing and the seven on seven stuff. But I'm like, dude,
you play real you play real football, and that is

(01:31:59):
a that's that's that's a lot of work that you're
putting in. That's not a shortcut, that's not a cliff note,
that's not microwave stuff. That's real sweat equity that you're
putting in. And there should be a like that should
be lauded, that hard work that kids are putting in

(01:32:20):
and not just going oh yeah, why some plays flag
Like flag, I'd be great.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
I'm glad everybody should play.

Speaker 4 (01:32:25):
Flag but football.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
But playing tackle football is a commitment and that should
be rewarded.

Speaker 4 (01:32:34):
Do you think over time that there's any chance that
the flag football will get more complicated more like if
it was a true flag because I've never been around
anyone that played in any of the flag football leagues
that have existed. I know some people that play in

(01:32:55):
you know, it's a pretty competitive rec leagues. That's about it, right,
So my I guess my wonder is, like, if we
reached today where it was Alabama, Georgia flag football, is
there going to be a level of practice and coaching
required for that at that level that then picks up
the slack or do you believe that flag football is
always at its core it just sort of the sort

(01:33:15):
of thing that's a little easier to play, So it
doesn't require any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:33:19):
Well, I mean by meat. Inherently it's got to be easier, right,
you don't have a line, yeah, I mean you're not
rodding the ball, like, hey, they could, they could do
little you know, quick running hitter run play hitters, but
it's not. It's it's not eleven eleven people on each
side of the ball, right Like, So inherently it's going

(01:33:43):
to be what it is and there's nothing wrong with it.
And I get it from every level. I get it
from parents that say, you know, I don't want my
kids exposed to the physical nature of it, exposed to injury,
but they can still play and in the game. I
think it's great, right. I love the fact that girls
can play it. I love the fact that your point,

(01:34:07):
it's an easier game to sell internationally, like American football,
because it's so complicated it's really hard to export, especially
when you're talking about you know, the like American football
compared to soccer, right, Like, it's a complicated game. So
flag takes the complications out of it and takes the

(01:34:30):
helmets off. So you're right, like, you see guys and
you see personality, and you know, one of the advantages
of soccer and why, you know, besides the fact that
such a monster sport internationally, but the players you see
them right, like their characters, right, they're not.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
Wearing a helmet, they're not wearing a hat.

Speaker 3 (01:34:51):
Right, it's the only o a sport in basketball is
basketball where you see the player.

Speaker 4 (01:34:57):
Yeah, I think with all of that, I'm just left
to wonder if the future of that sport evolves into
some sort of weird I don't know, because you're right,
like it's different than basketball, you know, when you talk
about just the practice and the plays that would be implemented,
I don't. I don't know, because certainly it lives separate.

(01:35:24):
I just wonder will people fall in love enough with
the openness of the game and the dynamic play of
the game that scores, you know, and then the branding
of the like I mean, my god, everybody's been trying
to make a spring football league work forever and it

(01:35:45):
never does right the the this has got to be
frustrating for the UFL, which is, you know, dying on
the vine in front of our eyes rating wise compared
to what I think they hoped it would do. So
the UFL is not exactly getting any traction. I just
am left to wonder, if, you know, does it change
if this becomes such an initiative that now you do
have a Georgia versus Alabama flag football team, why do

(01:36:08):
you watch you end up with a you know, Eagles
Giants flag football teams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:14):
I don't know. I go back and forth like what
do you what are you really watching? Like?

Speaker 3 (01:36:20):
And I guess you're telling me it becomes basketball on turf,
really basketball turf because it's five on five or six
on six, I should say. And it's you know, great
plays and bombs and interceptions and that sort of thing,

(01:36:41):
and leaping catches, and it's athletic and you know, but
will that ever take the place of real football the
only way and like you're saying, it's a game of itself,
like by itself or unto itself.

Speaker 4 (01:36:55):
Yeah, I don't think it's it's replacing anything. I think
that they're gonna use it as a way to get people,
you know. I think the hope for the league, well,
I know the hope for the league is that if
you see Rock Bauers in the Olympics and you're over,
you know, in China, and you're like, oh my god,
this is so cool, that maybe you become a Raiders

(01:37:16):
fan from that, much like the NBA has seen with
its growth. I think that's what they're they're looking for,
is to bring people over to the other section of it.
I just wonder, you know, too, if you treat it
like a different sport but you put the same energy
and branding behind it. I just wonder if the Olympic
thing is going to at that moment you're going to
see these you know, diving, amazing catches and the inability

(01:37:40):
for anybody to grab somebody's flag. Like I'm just thinking
about what it will look like to see I don't
know Jamiir Gibbs out there running around playing flag football
and watching anybody try and be able to grab him.
How exciting that becomes at some point to see, you know,
justin Jefferson, you know, absolutely diving for some touchdown in
the Olympics. Well, that be enough of a launching pad,

(01:38:01):
not just for the rest of the world to get
into the NFL, but for NFL fans to be like, no,
I like this, I want to watch more flag football,
and that becomes a greatness for the league to start
putting together their own flag football teams.

Speaker 2 (01:38:14):
Yeah, it's a great quest.

Speaker 4 (01:38:15):
Not with like, I think that the future is almost
in my mind. I think we're I can see in
a situation where like in ten years, it's like, oh,
here are the Raiders, here's the Raiders football team, here's
the Raiders flag football team. They play at different times,
and you're you're supporting a different group of people, all
with the same logos.

Speaker 3 (01:38:34):
I guess, you know, maybe it could be a you know,
I could definitely see a flukewarm.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
I got a lukewarm from him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
Yeah, I mean I don't really like it, you know,
I mean, honestly, I mean I don't really find you,
but it's not for.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Me, right, you know. A I'm I'm you know, older
be I love the sports.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
I love the way football is, so I'm resistant to
changing to change that way.

Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
So that's not what the reactor is.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
All the kids and all the young women, like I
could definitely see a flag football women's league under the Raiders,
Like I could totally see that, and that they played
in the spring, and maybe there is a men's team too.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
I don't know, but I don't know, Like, would you
watch it?

Speaker 4 (01:39:25):
I'll ask you, Yeah, I would. I mean, curiosity kill
the cat. I'll watch it at first, but then there's
got to be something that keeps bringing me into it.

Speaker 3 (01:39:34):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's so much out there.
I just I don't know. You probably would probably beat
baseball as much to my much to my chagrin. We're
the fellas. Let's take quick to you. Well, it's a
great conversation, man, Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargott it right here.

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I don't know, Hey, don't forget.

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Good stuff on Twitter too. The higher Glitzy says, hear
you guys talk about flag football and now for nothing,
there's a league in Rhode Island that it's there. It's

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basically three versus three on the line tight end, two
receivers are running back on the quarterback. It's the most
physical flag league I've ever been a part of. It's
basically tackle but with flags. And I'm sure that you
know that sort of thing gives you a good flavor
of the game.

Speaker 4 (01:41:19):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's as someone else
pointed out to me, and I stole it. But they
wear mouthguards in a lot of these leagues for a reason.
There's still some contact in it. I also think, you know,
I keep coming back to, you know, I'm not sure
flag football is for NFL purists, because look, I mean,
there's a whole generation of us. We can't sit here

(01:41:40):
and deny that used to watch the Madden introt just
to see the big hits, right Like we used to
watch Madden to see who got absolutely taken down in
those intros. I mean they used to do on NFL primetime.
They used to do the the you know, the week's
biggest hits. They try and avoid all of these things now,
But certainly a lot of people fell in love with
the sport because of the physicality of the sport, right,

(01:42:02):
So it's hard to combine both of those things at
this point. It's it's hard to understand the physicality of
the sport being part of the draw to it, and
then also sit there and love what flag football is.
I just think it's a different at some point. It's
just such a different game, you know, It's just it's
just being real. It's just a couple it's just such
a different game.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Yeah, it's it's a it's it's a great discussion with
the Olympic thing coming up.

Speaker 2 (01:42:28):
It really is, uh and they're just looking on X.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
My man, Larry Irving says, be honest, is Anthony the
dad who thinks if his kids aren't involved and good
at sports, then he's a failure. That's just a vibe
I get and I and I really want to stress
this because it's not whether or not they're good, like
that's irrelevant. They like it is important to be able

(01:42:56):
to go out and compete. I believe in sports as
a dad for all kids, for boys and girls, I
think they should be involved in sports. If I had
two girls, that'd be the same way. I think they
need to be involved in sports. I think it's good
for them. All the life lessons are obvious. I think

(01:43:17):
keeping them on a schedule is important. Schedules are huge,
right like you had it in music with Juilliard, Right
like you had a schedule. It made you not just
your gift, but your dedication to work, like you were
a worker at a young age, and it made you

(01:43:38):
a success in life. Having a schedule. I think the
sports schedule and competing is vital in the development of
a kid.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
I think they need to have schedules. I think they
need to be and I think they need to be
tired at night.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
So it's not about do I think they need to
be good good, But yeah, I think they need to
participate and listen if they were. And the other aspect is,
I don't know anything else, all right, So it's not
like I'm a failure or I think I'll be a
failure if they didn't compete in sports.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
I don't know anything else. Truthfully, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:44:19):
I wasn't blessed like FITZI you were with, you know
in music, all right. I have two boys, and yeah,
I pushed them towards sports. Now, I didn't make it
a mandate, but I wanted them to do whatever they liked,
and it just so happens that, you know, they wound
up playing Now the big one places football. He also
rose like when we leave, when we're off the air,

(01:44:42):
he's at a rowing event, race. I'm gonna leave here
and go do that. I don't know anything about rowing.
I think it's a great sport. I wasn't exposed to
that growing up. But the fact that he's rowing and
they have a race today. I think it's great. He's
in the kids in great shape. So yeah, I think
it's I think it's paramount. And it's the other thing

(01:45:04):
is I don't know anything else, right, Like that's our
family business. I've had a career in sports and I'm
a believer in it, and so I make it my
choice as a dad that to be involved. I think
there's a lot of good. It's communal, the community things real,
being part of a team is real, you know. I

(01:45:25):
think there's so many great aspects with it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:29):
Yeah, I also would say to that Tweeter, I mean,
certainly if you maybe the first time you've ever listened
to this show together. But you know, I again, I'll
remind loudly, I grew up a fat kid that played
the violin, like so there was you know, everything I
have now in sports media was earned from a ten
thousand hour principle of studying work. But certainly I was

(01:45:50):
not an athletic kid, and you've never held that against me, right.
I think that it's interesting when someone says, well, you know,
you would judge your It sounds like the tone of
that is like your kids suck if they're not good
at sports. I mean to Tantony's credit, like he if
that was the way you felt down to your wiring,
we wouldn't be working together. So, you know, I think
there's a there's a limit, like it'd be hard for

(01:46:11):
you to host with somebody that has my background, if
that's what he felt. I think there is an element
for all of us of whatever sport you're comfortable with.
And I see this a lot with my friends that
played the highly competitive soccer, you know, like their kids
are playing highly competitive soccer at a very young age.
Like we gravitate my parents while having absolutely no musical

(01:46:31):
skill whatsoever. My parents weren't into sports. They didn't like sports.
They were both music and they love to listen, to
appreciate and watch, go to concerts and be around music.
Like my parents love music, so they they the transition
of getting me into music was pretty easy because I
showed an interest in it as a kid, but also
they at the at their core, they loved it, so

(01:46:51):
it became an easy thing to support. So I think
that the concept that you know, obviously your kids, you're
going to gravitate your kids towards music because like, why
we're towards sports, because why wouldn't you like that That's
a huge part of your background, a huge part of
who you are. And then it's up to them to
commit to it. And you know, that's the one thing
that we share, no matter what you're talking about as
your background, Like, it's about the commitment to something, working

(01:47:14):
your ass off and trying to be the absolute best
that you can be at it every day. That is
a part of the process that makes you know, engaging
in any of it fun. So you know, I just
have to I mean, I roll my eyes at somebody
that says that about you in that situation in a tweet.

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
Yeah, no, it's fine. It's like I just wanted to
clarify it because you know, I'd hate to think that
that's what he thinks of about hearing the way we
talk about it, like my kids, you know, the way
we expose them to music. I think it's beautiful. Like
I think it's the greatest gift in the world. I
wish I had your gift. I admire. Listen to you

(01:47:53):
play and I haven't heard you play classical. Listening to
you play it is amazing, like we play it. So
Mark will play it coming out at times and I'm
just my marvel at it. What's amazing skill, whatever's skill
you have, but that's incredible. I had my kids, you know,
Mosmo was and drums, Anthony was doing the sacks like

(01:48:15):
they don't if they tried it, and if they if
they had a love for.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
It or had acuity for it.

Speaker 3 (01:48:23):
I would, Hey, man, let's go like, whatever you're into
and that's your gift that God gives you, then we're
gonna do whatever we can to to make it come
to fruition and the least please, you know, to achieve it,
you know, just to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:48:40):
Also, like your your kids have shown a skill there.
I think that's also part of it. Like you know,
for for me is once it became a parent that
I had a musical skill. My parents put everything they
you know, I've certainly I've had plenty of I've always
been open and honest about the fact that I don't

(01:49:00):
have any relationship with my family. But I also am
always wildly open honest about the fact that my parents
sacrificed a lot when I was a kid to try
and make music as possible for me as it could be.
Because I think you have to do that, and I
watch you do the same with your kids constantly, like
the number of times that you know, we're finishing a
show and you're running to a baseball tournament, because that's

(01:49:21):
just part of that's part of the role you've taken
on here. So I think, you know, if somebody's listening
for the first time, maybe they perceive this differently. If
you've listened to it for the course of even our
two years working together, I would have to clap back
a little bit and say, like, being a dedicated dad
and being super into your parents pushing to be the
best they could be is not a bad thing. I

(01:49:44):
cannot say. I've said this story a million times, but
I will say it again. When I was I guess
ten and I was getting ready for Cardie Hall, I
was practicing. One day, my mom came in the room
and she just looked at me and loudly said, loud
in my mom's tone, she said, you know, if that's
the best you can play the gd thing, just put
it away today. And like when I say that to people,

(01:50:04):
like they they look at shock and all. But like
my mom knew that I was capable of certain things,
and her whole thing was like the minute you pick
it up, be the best that you can be every
single day. That didn't make her a bad mom. That
made her, you know, somebody that was more invested in
my music than anybody she was invested in. Like, go
be the best that you can be. You're invested in
your kids in the same way. Go be the best

(01:50:26):
that you can be. I don't think you should have
to or anybody should apologize for that. There's a line
like you you know, there's a lot of the market
which is very real and very dangerous.

Speaker 8 (01:50:37):
But I think the other side of your mom knew
you knew that she could hear the notes, like she
knew what like you said, she knew what you were
capable of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Like that's pretty powerful.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
I mean that's the thing. Like you know, when when
I first started at Yahoo a couple of years ago,
after my ESPN chapter, the CEO of Yahoo Sports, Right Spoon,
we had like an all hands meeting and Spoon played
this video and it had footage of Saban and Shryshevski
Boll saying the same thing. Never worry about being the best,
because when you're worried about being the best, you're trying

(01:51:12):
to control variables you can't control. Worry about being your
best every day, you know. And that concept to me
to this day, like, that's what my mom always said.
My mom always said when I would compete, when I
was competing internationally in violin competitions, my mom always said, like,
you don't have to win, you just have to be
the best you've ever been today on that stage. That's

(01:51:33):
the expectation, is that right now, in this moment, you're
the absolute best. And if somebody's better, then you Okay,
Like then go back to the drawing board, keep working
your tail off. I think that's the principle that comes
from high level anything that is a good thing. And
I would never fault you for driving your kids towards
being their best, which is what I think you do.

Speaker 2 (01:51:52):
Well, thanks buddy, all right, we'll say quick too.

Speaker 3 (01:51:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
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Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Eastern Conference Finals at the Garden Halliburton, Haliburton.

Speaker 9 (01:52:39):
With the left hand. As we move inside of four minutes,
let's one fly cold blooded A three right through the middle.
He's got fourteen one hundred and six to ninety nine
three minutes and forty two seconds remain in the fourth four.

Speaker 3 (01:52:53):
There you know, tire rack play today. So little inside radio,
so Brion were going back and forth. So bre wanted
originally was going to play the uh Devers Rathfield Devers
City Grand Slam LA.

Speaker 2 (01:53:08):
It's like because they by the.

Speaker 3 (01:53:09):
Way, the Orioles, My god, you want to talk about
a collapse, epic collapse. But she wanted to use that
as the Tyraq play today. I said, you got to
use the Conference finals. But she was right in that
the call. There's four minutes to go in the game.
You gotta give me a little more than that fancy.

Speaker 4 (01:53:33):
Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I feel like you're
right though. You had to go with the Conference Final,
like it's just too big of an outcome too big
of a deal he had to go with that. But man,
I'm kind of with you there, especially in the game
that was down to the wire with the last couple
of minutes, I think I better cut.

Speaker 6 (01:53:52):
And if maybe I would have worked and actually edited
the game, I probably would have got a better cut,
you know, But I didn't work, so I didn't have
anything good to play.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
You know what I mean. I think in the in
the a number one you shouldn't have to an number one. Uh,
you're you're your top dog, like somebody should be doing
that for you. Number one, Uh, you know you need
an assistant on an assistant to cut those things. And
number two, you know, I think maybe next time we
should just voice our own like what we thought it
would sound like, and we'll just kind of see where

(01:54:23):
it was, you know, Halliburton with the big bucket. You know,
we could have picked one of the Sakam buckets and
like done like our own, like see you later see
our call, sort like we could have done something, We
could have could have figured something out. Yeah, it's a
tough broadcast, not gonna lie.

Speaker 3 (01:54:39):
Well, but and I feel you all right because we
love Bribrie here. But I gotta tell you, like what
that three puts them up seven. There's four minutes to
go in the game. At the breech points, he's right, like,
you gotta give me more Halliburton drills the three. Bet

(01:55:01):
I okay, we're I mean, you gotta go give me
a little more gusts right channel You're in.

Speaker 4 (01:55:07):
The problem is it? This is the guard off season
of like the off season of twenty point comebacks in
like a minute and a half, right, So, like you know,
you got to save a little bit of that that
little little little little chest puffin for the close to
the end, maybe, like I think you know, but you're right,
like I do, I kind of like a play by
play person in general that gets, you know, like you

(01:55:30):
feel like maybe they've just gotten like poked in their
no no places or something, right, and there's a big bucket.
I want that level of like oh excitement coming out
and NOEA.

Speaker 3 (01:55:38):
Well yeah, And I also want like it's listen, I'm
not saying you gotta be like that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:44):
Four minutes to go in the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
Four minutes to go into game of Game two of
the Eastern Conference Finals, when you got your team is
about to take the go go goes up seven at
the guard and on the road, I don't know. I
think you need more of a you know, you gotta
give me more gusts. You gotta get me speed off.

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
How a burnt back pacers up seven? You know you
gotta give me something. Man, you gotta get me fired off.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
You can go all right, but like, dude, you could
do that for the last four minutes. It's it's a big.

Speaker 4 (01:56:29):
That's fair. The governor did not get his harrumph, I
didn't get her wrong out of that guy. I think
there's a there's You're right. I like, I'm easily excitable, though,
like I'll be honest, Like, I think the reason that
it would be bad listening to me do play by
play on an NBA game, other than European pronunciations. I

(01:56:51):
think the other part of it would just be that
the number of times I would I would yell like
the play had tremendous meaning, because I just that's how
I watched sports. It's like every play is life or death.
And I think, you know, play by place, I love
that balance. But you're in the garden, you know that's yeah, yeah,
I think, yeah, are you right? That is Gus. That
is Gus.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
Look, I love a big you know he was excited
first the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (01:57:16):
Notre Dame Indiana, you know, stop all third like I
love that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:22):
Like, give me excitement because I'm excited. I think you'd
be great at it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:28):
There we go. When I found my next calling, I'm
gonna start working on those European pronunciations.

Speaker 2 (01:57:34):
All right, big al we're coming up next. I'm going anywhere.

Speaker 3 (01:57:36):
Fellas on Fox Sports Radio, Good morning, Good morning, buddy,
happy happy, happy Memorial Day weekends Saturday. That's right to
Saturday with the Fellas. Jason Fitz, Anthony Garganto FITZI hanging

(01:57:58):
with you guys on this house all day weekend. I
hope everybody enjoys it. One of those great three day
weekends at Ushers in summer. It's the gateway to summer
twenty twenty five. And of course our hearts go out
to all of those who served. We honor them, we
cherish them. Uh Fitzy wait wait wait.

Speaker 4 (01:58:20):
Wait real quick, you just said the gateway to summer. Yes,
I got the heat on in my house all right,
the heat is on and not the song. All right,
this isn't great music. I've literally got the heat on.
Like it's been in the forties in Connecticut over the
course of this week. So like, this is this first
time I've ever felt this Connecticut who had broken me?

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
All right?

Speaker 4 (01:58:40):
Winter has broken me. I am done with it. It's
in the forties, aware now, Like as we speak, right now,
I get the heat on and a hoodie on, and
it's almost summer. Like, what the hell's happening? What the
hell is happening right now? Anthony?

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
Well, I got to you know what, it's not much
warmer down here. I'm in Philly, and it's what is
it here? It's it's not you know, it's fifty five
degrees and it feels.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
Like I shouldn't I shouldn't have to worry about Like
I shouldn't have to have the heat on in my
car this close to summer. I just, as a general rule,
I'm out. I'm out like weather. God's hear me. Now,
you win, you win, I lose. I'm sorry, You're right,
I'm wrong. Whatever it takes to turn this trend around.
Just give me some heat.

Speaker 3 (01:59:20):
I know, no, I hear, I hear you man, listen,
you know it's been a long baseball spring because we're playing,
and you know, between all the rain drops and it's
cold and windy, hasn't been the greatest spring for our
baseball squad either.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Uh So, well, the top stories, let's go through, and we.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
Talked a lot about a lot of things during the
first three hours of the program. Of course, last night
we've talked a lot about Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Shock in the world at New York last night, where
the Pacers nah take a strike hold all this series.

Speaker 3 (02:00:03):
Well after the shocking win in Game one, I mean,
that was unbelievable. They did the same thing to Cleveland, right,
they did it to Milwaukee. It's amazing what that team
is done. And then they shocked the world. Larry David's
face what there was a great like a little video

(02:00:25):
going around Twitter where it's the Curb your Enthusiasm music
and it's his face watching the Knicks lose that game.
I mean, it's unthinkable. It was off the board with
the kids. Sports books like the Brain will be coming
up said you couldn't even bet it if you want it.

(02:00:46):
When the Knicks were up by nine with forty five
seconds ago end up with fourteen with a minute and
a half to go.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
I mean, the ability to suffocate the Garden so hard
to do. And to think of how loud it was
there in both Game one and two with just a
few minutes left, and how quickly all of that energy
just was taken away. Like I saw this the image
last night as they were, of course trying to find

(02:01:17):
Chalo May somewhere in the crowd. Of course I always
gotta find him course side, But behind him there was
what looked like a dad and his two kids, probably
two high school maybe college aged kids, and they were
all sort of standing there bewildered at the end of
the game. And all I kept thinking is three four
rows back. Those tickets were probably fifteen k each, right, So,
like you spent forty five thousand dollars to go to

(02:01:39):
the Garden and watch your team lose in the last
couple of minutes, and that's the second straight time that's happened. Like,
just the want for the Garden and Knicks fans to
just explode with energy is so real. It's so palpable.
I mean, we obviously all saw it flow into the
streets after Boston. To be able to not only.

Speaker 3 (02:02:01):
Win the game, streets after players, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (02:02:05):
Yeah, And then to see Indiana just not even give
a damn about that, like ice in the veins of
all the like Indiana just on the court, in the
in their eyes, like in their body moved. They just
seem unfazed by anything the garden throws at them, Like
they just they don't care about this garden atmosphere that

(02:02:26):
we keep seeing every single night. Like I think it's
one of the most impressive parts of what they've done here,
Like this is different than beating Cleveland, who was a
good basketball team. This is beating that entire arena full
of stars and energy and that that vibe. I just
I think it's it's it's truly incredible what Indiana did.

Speaker 3 (02:02:45):
Oh Well said, you're right on man. I'll tell you
one thing at we talk a lot about Halburn.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Is a killer man.

Speaker 3 (02:02:54):
He's a terrific ballplayer man. And all he does is
put up monster how of a player in Toronto, and
he never gets any kind of praise.

Speaker 4 (02:03:08):
It's funny to me because the Toronto win in the
championship was so defined by the legacy of Kawhi that
I truly believe, and I said earlier, I'll double down
on it. There are so many people that were watching
Game one of the Eastern Conference Finals, and we're like, oh,

(02:03:29):
Seacam's there now, like oh, Like it's it's amazing to
me that somebody that has had the accomplish accomplishments he's
had from a personal infom a team standpoint, is such
an afterthought in this league because there are so many
big name stars that it just feels like we gravitate
towards and Siakam going. Maybe it's because it's Toronto and

(02:03:49):
now Indiana. Maybe it just doesn't feel like those markets
have as much attention or those teams have as much attention.
But my god, I mean last night watching him over
and over and over again, and all I kept thinking
about was, yeah, this totally makes sense. When a guy's
got a ring, when he's got a trophy, this moment
doesn't matter to him. Like you want to talk about

(02:04:09):
improbable endings, Let's go back to you know, the shot
we all remember from Toronto that you know went off
the rim thirty two times, Like Siakam has seen how
much basketball in his life? Right, Like it just it
just felt like last night was just another game for him,
and he literally rose above defenders in his face all
night long it is crazy.

Speaker 3 (02:04:30):
It's a true and you know it's funny because he
scores thirty nine in thirty three minutes. He's fifteen for
twenty free for the field, three for five from three.
You know, he had a little foul trouble, so that
kind of limited a little bit. But my god, you know,
thirty nine and thirty three minutes. I mean, that's a night.
You want to talk about quieting celebrity row, that's a night.

(02:04:54):
Now tonight we got Game three OKC Minnesota. Every shifts
to Minneapolis anything year FITCI do the Wolves?

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
The can the Wolves win this Game three?

Speaker 4 (02:05:10):
I mean it will be an electric vibe there. I
mean I want to give Minnesota some credit. Uh and
Anthony Edwards is going to be spectacular because that we
just take that, we take that for granted at this
point is going. I don't even think we always say
who's the other one. I think a couple of guys
would have to have a huge game for Minnesota to

(02:05:31):
be able to take one from Oklahoma City, And I
just I don't see that happening. Like there's a there's
a swarm mentality to okay see that. Just this team
feels really prepared to constantly take the kill shot. You know,
It's just I think it would take an implosion by
a flat game by okay see, which by the way,
is not the nature of this young team at all,

(02:05:52):
and it would take a herculean effort from a couple
of guys not named Anthony Edwards for Minnesota to win.
So no, I don't see like this is gonna be
a gentleman's sweep. I think they go up three to
one and then end up winning him five.

Speaker 3 (02:06:05):
Yeah, I could. I could totally feel you. I I
just think the matchup is what it is. I thought
it was interesting going with Nikhil Walker trying to set
he wound up sitting Randall really in the third quarter,
and he wound up playing ni kill the rest of

(02:06:30):
the game, in third quarter, all the fourth quarter. I
think they need to be athletic, play him, play nas
Reed more.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:06:39):
I know what a hart and Stein to the game.
He wants to match it up with Gobert. But I
just don't think they lack athleticism right to be able
to match up with them.

Speaker 4 (02:06:49):
Yeah, and let's not get it twisted. Julius Randall was
benched because he has sucked throughout the course. I mean,
just he was having a rough night.

Speaker 2 (02:06:58):
You know. Well he played well game so, I mean,
you know, dropped, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:07:04):
But game two he was just having a dismal Well
it was single digits, I don't remember for him, but
Game two he couldn't hit anything. And so if you're
just having one of those nights, now you've got to
figure out as a team, was that just one of
those nights or is that a matchup issue?

Speaker 7 (02:07:17):
Right?

Speaker 4 (02:07:17):
Are you? Do you believe that Julius Reynold suddenly gets
hot again or do you have a larger issue there
that you got to figure out? And man, I don't know.
I feel for Minnesota because certainly remember that this is
a Minnesota team that they let katwalk because they knew
that Cat wasn't gonna be the other guy that they needed.
And I'm not sure as they sit right now they

(02:07:38):
still have the other guy they need. This just feels
like this feels like the closest thing to the the
Milwaukee comp where it's like they spent years trying to
figure out the right guy to get next to Giannis
that could help you actually win a chip, and that's
going to be the beast of Minnesota for the next
year or two they got They've got to find that
that next guy that can help them consent instantly, and

(02:08:00):
that certainly Julius Randall being terrible is a part of
why they got their butts whipped in Game two, and
I thought that than the final.

Speaker 3 (02:08:07):
Yeah, you know, I think to your point, he needs Robin.

Speaker 2 (02:08:13):
Who's the Robin.

Speaker 3 (02:08:15):
You know you got McDaniels, you got nice players, and
you know Randall was it was a late addition in
that sense. I think you're right. I think he needs
somebody else, he needs a wing. You need somebody, and
then you know Conley's older Gobar is again. I mean,

(02:08:35):
a great defensive player could board the whole thing. But
there are some matchup issues there. And I do think
against an OKAC team, you're gonna have to try to
be more athletic.

Speaker 2 (02:08:46):
I know you want to.

Speaker 3 (02:08:47):
I know you want to play half court, which I
think is great because OKAC is not good in half court.
But they just because they're so athletic, they they make
the game transition.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
They they forced you to players.

Speaker 4 (02:09:00):
You said they need to find their Robin, And I
want to go back to something you said earlier today
that maybe we need to reimagine how these teams are
being constructed, because to your point, I think what we're
discovering is that Indiana and OKC are both built to
be the Avengers. Like, there's a lot of guys on
those teams, and maybe not everybody is your a one

(02:09:25):
top of the mill superhero. Oh my god, they can't
carry their own movie franchise. But my god, when you
put them all together, the depth two teams. I just
like sports are all copycat leagues. So if the NBA
is going to copy anything from what I think is
the inevitable final of Indiana versus Oklahoma City, it is.
It's not just about SGA and it's not just about Haliburton.

(02:09:47):
It's about having a bunch of guys around them that
you can get in and out constantly that allow you
the ability to change what you do a little bit
when you need to. It allows you the ability to
be faster and more athletic. It allows you to ability
not to wear down the course of a game. Like
I don't think it's a miss, it's a it's a
coincidence that these first two games in the Eastern Conference

(02:10:07):
Final for Indiana have been really won in the last
four or five minutes. What do you know, the deeper
team wins in the last four or five minutes like that,
that makes it just taking your logic cat and putting
it on. That makes sense, man.

Speaker 2 (02:10:19):
So real quick.

Speaker 3 (02:10:20):
You know, we've ben't really talking any hockey playoffs, but
two things that stand out.

Speaker 2 (02:10:24):
One in Florida is ridiculous. We were all the.

Speaker 3 (02:10:28):
Area of the mike when they were Barry and they
were on that ridiculous flurry and blew the game open.
And they did the same thing the other night where
Carolina just can't play.

Speaker 2 (02:10:42):
They just can't play.

Speaker 4 (02:10:43):
With them, Na, Florida. Look, I was rooting for Toronto
because I wanted you know, I made our All Canada
prediction when the Stanley Cup started. My prediction was Toronto
versus Edmonton. I feel pretty good about Edmonton coming back.
They needed that win last night. But yeah, Florida. Right now,
through the entirety of the Stanley Cup playoffs, Florida has
looked like the unbeatable team, like just god goals and punches.

(02:11:08):
It's not a surprise to me that their hammering the Hurricanes.
It's just get ready for yet another you know, Florida
team to hoist the cup, because boy, it looks like
Florida's gonna be tough to beat. I would love to
see a ward where Edmonton takes them. But man, Florida,
I'm presuming Florida is going to get through the rest
of this Carolina series, This Dallas Edmonton series is going

(02:11:29):
to be tooth and nail. Let's se how that one goes.
But Florida looks just unstoppable right now.

Speaker 2 (02:11:35):
Yeah, they would.

Speaker 3 (02:11:36):
They take the first two games in Carolina, come back
tonight in Florida.

Speaker 2 (02:11:41):
So you know, I I'm with you. I don't see
how they lose. They just they just don't match. I
don't think Carolina matches up.

Speaker 3 (02:11:49):
And you're right about the other series, But who thinks that,
Like I thought, I Evanton out played Dallas up until that.
You know, remember in the third period they had a
couple of penalties and Dallas scores three straight power plays
to take the lead last night.

Speaker 2 (02:12:05):
Shutout. I mean I didn't see that shut out by Edmonton.

Speaker 4 (02:12:08):
No, I didn't at all, But I do think that
the quote after the game, you know, from Connor McDavid,
where he said, yeah, we can play defense. You know,
I think they felt a little challenged after that Game one.
It's like, okay, no, no, no, that that was an aberration.
We're gonna remind you we can lock down and my god,
that's why you know how many times because they win,

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they win Game two in a shutout, which they did
to Vegas several times. Like, I just this Edmonton team
can just lock you out of the net. And they also,
by the way, I have the best player in the world,
so you combine those two things. God, I just I'm
not betting against Edmonton. I I it's one of the
few times, brother, I think I've been right when a
playoff started. And I'm just gonna keep luding it over everybody.

(02:12:53):
I called this Edmonton thing. It's not like it's brilliant,
it's not like it took a foresight, but I called it,
and every I watch them play, and I just think,
night in and night out, if you got to bet
your house on somebody, night in and night out, man, Edmonton,
they have lived up to every expectation.

Speaker 2 (02:13:08):
Yeah you did, You're all over it.

Speaker 3 (02:13:11):
And then in the NFL this week, of course, we
talked about the push Push, but we didn't talk about
the NFL, not receeding like college football fixed their scene issue.
There was some talk about the NFL changing the playoff
seating where you would recede after the first round.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
They didn't do it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:32):
FITSI I'm actually glad, weirdly they didn't do it, because
I do think that conference scheduling has to be fixed
if you're going to do this, And what I mean
by that is like, Okay, let's be honest, Tampa Bay
is probably just going to absolutely stack wins against a
pitiful NFC South, like Houston's gonna stack wins against the
pitiful AFC South. How do you judge, Like, if we're

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just going by record and receeding teams, there's a really
good chance that Tampa Bay's gonna have a much better
record than let's say, whoever the second place team is
out of the NFC East. But do we know that
they're better simply because their records better? There's not enough
equity in the scheduling within conferences. There is within divisions,
but within conferences it can get so wildly different. I

(02:14:16):
think they'd have to really address that if they're going
to recede, because there has to be a better way
to have another Otherwise you're gonna end up with you know,
no different than well, how can you rank you know this,
this Mountain West team ahead of this SEC team. It's
gonna be the same because some of these divisions in
the NFL are trash some years.

Speaker 2 (02:14:33):
Yeah, I hear you. I feel you on that.

Speaker 3 (02:14:37):
People were talking about the division and you know the
sanctity of winning the division. But I feel with I
feel like you do. I'm I'm with you on this thing.
All right, we're to come back. We'll take a look
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Speaker 2 (02:14:54):
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Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
All right, fellas, Welcome back, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano fits
seeing it hanging out on this holiday weekend. Let's take
a look at it, all the playoffs, all the baseball
everything from a Betty standpoint.

Speaker 2 (02:15:55):
Joining us as he does each weekend.

Speaker 3 (02:15:58):
Oh man, the brain, the Brad Fineberg, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (02:16:02):
Brain, Good morning. How are you guys, sir?

Speaker 3 (02:16:07):
How's the brain? How's the brain this weekend? What's what's
on tap for the holiday for you?

Speaker 5 (02:16:12):
I know, well, listen, I'm always looking forward to watching
some good sports this weekend. And beautiful day here in Florida.
So everything is good here.

Speaker 3 (02:16:22):
How about that? Fitsy, He's in Florida right now. We
were just complaining with that in Florida, the h how
cold it.

Speaker 2 (02:16:29):
Is in the.

Speaker 5 (02:16:33):
Always be a filly guy just for the records. But yeah,
but yeah, moved to Florida.

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
So yeah you're living.

Speaker 4 (02:16:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not me. You know, the Florida things
starting to sound better and better. I'm gonna be honest
with your brain, like I don't know, I keep looking
at like that Tampa Saint Petersburg area, and I'm thinking,
you know what it might be, it might be time
to head down to the ocean, Like I there's something
to just put my feet in the end and and
like maybe work the summers at like some little tiki
bar with the pina coladas. That That's what I'm talking about.

(02:16:59):
Like it just it's just I can be like a
beach bum Connecticut, right outside of the ESPN. It's just
I'm up here freezing my toesies off. My toesies and
my woesies are all getting frozen off.

Speaker 5 (02:17:10):
I understand. I understand. Maybe you'll make that move. Maybe
you'll make that move.

Speaker 4 (02:17:17):
You know, I got a realtor like search I got.
I got a search on the realtor app constantly that
brings houses up in Tampa Saint Petersburg just to taunt
me every few days. And I'm just I don't know,
one of these days, Anthony, I'm just gonna be like
I'm missing the show this weekend. I'm moving. It's just
it's just it's just to be near the brain.

Speaker 2 (02:17:34):
You should. You should listen. My man balled, he's down there.
He he loves it.

Speaker 3 (02:17:42):
He he doesn't want to come back up here. Everybody know,
brain he loves it down there that by the way,
clear Water. I love that that area where you're looking at.

Speaker 5 (02:17:55):
Yeah, you've been spring training there. It's a great, great place.

Speaker 3 (02:17:59):
Great each beautiful beach, clear Water. Powder you'll be it.
You'll be living or the beach bars.

Speaker 4 (02:18:07):
And come down and visit me. Come down. Yeah yeah,
hitting the bars, Oh yeah, hitting the bars down there.

Speaker 3 (02:18:12):
Yeah, sure, sure, sure all my man, let's get to it.
Last night, sir Indian. You know we liked yesterday. I
told you yesterday.

Speaker 5 (02:18:27):
What's interesting thing again, like nicker up won nothing. So
there's just the assumption because they lost game one that
they're just automatically going to win game two. And I'm like, man,
this line on its own merriage should have been three
and a half maybe four max. And you got a
three point tax because they lose game one. And I

(02:18:49):
say to myself, you were in the final four here,
and I said, I go, you know, and he as
just say, okay, we're not going to try. We got
our game, let's just go back one one. I've never
understood that lot, like people just assume because the team
loses game one and the other team's just going to
automatically win game two. And yeah, there was a nice
streamium available on Indiana last night and they took it.

Speaker 3 (02:19:12):
Me.

Speaker 5 (02:19:13):
That was not a fluke, Anthony. Look, I know you
really liked Indiana to win series. You told me how
confident you were that they were the better team. And well,
I mean, look, what can you say? It's great, great
performance to be up to nothing.

Speaker 4 (02:19:25):
Yea, So what do we make of it? Then when
you win the first two games on the road, Because
you're right, we overplay some of these home court of managers.
So now are we over compensating by saying, man like,
it looks like Indiana's got this thing under control.

Speaker 5 (02:19:38):
Well, I would just say I look at every game
on its own merch. I was surprised, and I hadn't
looked this morning what it was. But last night I
saw the opening line and it did surprise me. I
thought Indiana would be at least a three and a
half point favorite. I saw one and a half night.
I'm seen what it is this morning. I've been doing
other work, but I thought that that line was again light. Uh,

(02:20:02):
you know, I think Indiana's every pit is good as
a team, So but again they're obviously saying nix quote unquote,
obviously do to win, must win game. But again, if
I'm an Indiana player and Indiana coach or whatever, I'm like,
I'm saying, Okay, we're up to nothing. We don't need
to we don't need to go as hard here. I
don't know, I just starting with the home crowd again,
I think Indiana should win both games. Quite frankly, I do.

(02:20:27):
I don't think anything we you know, like that's just
my opinion. But we'll see that plays out, all.

Speaker 3 (02:20:32):
Right, So let's go today or tonight, Okay, see Minnesota
Game three, the series shifts to Minnesota. I just keep thinking,
you know, we talked about, okay, see being superior athletically,
and it just seems like a bad matchup.

Speaker 5 (02:20:52):
Yeah, listen, you know, it's trying, Anthony, like it's been
like you know, sometimes in football, there's a game, you
know where they say that team could be a three
quarter team where they could hang with you for three quarters,
then in the fourth quarter, the other team's dominance or
that team's shortcomings, you know, over the long hauld, they
just can't compete quite for four quarters, maybe only for three.

(02:21:13):
That's kind of the way it's been like watching.

Speaker 2 (02:21:15):
This series so far.

Speaker 5 (02:21:17):
Minnesota Game one, hung around for almost three quarters Game one,
and then they just they just didn't have it. They
hung around for about two and a half quarters Game two,
and I couldn't hang the rest of the way. Look,
we'll see. I do think that Minnesota is a good team, though,
I do, and I just keep thinking that Oka See

(02:21:41):
against Denver. Denver was able to really push them and
they were able to get three games against them. Look,
the line is sitting at two and a half three
for OKC. I actually thought it would be a little
bit lower than that, believe it or not. I thought
it'd be maybe more like one and a half two
did It's a slight lean here, Anthony, believe or not.

(02:22:01):
Me For Minnesota, I do think they find a way
to win one of these two games, but I haven't
bet it because I do think Okay See is the
better team. So I'm not going to officially better, but
my knee actually would beat of Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (02:22:14):
I did better.

Speaker 5 (02:22:16):
Yes, Julius Randall guys had gone over seventeen and a
half points ten straight games, Okay, and his old runner
for Game two was twenty and a half. Now, he
had an awful game. Awful game in Game two against
they benched him. They actually benched him, which was crazy
to me. He'd been I thought, the best player in
the entire postseason. I'm not going to even I don't
think I'm exaggerating. I think until Game two he'd been

(02:22:38):
better than Shay, better than anyone. I think he'd been.
The best player in the postseason was Julius Randall. He's
been just dominant, and they carried this team to this point.
And again, I never thought of him as that kind
of player, but he's played great, had an awful Game two.
Look I bet over seventeen and a half. I did. Again,
I just think he was on a very good run.

(02:22:59):
And I'm going to take the three point discount because
they had a bad game in Game two. Again, obviously,
I don't think he's as good as Anthony Edwards Orshey.
I'm just saying he's played really well in the postseason.
He's averaging around twenty five a game, and he was
shooting in a great percentage. I think seventeen halfs too low.

Speaker 3 (02:23:15):
Do you think about we were talking about this. The
problem I think is athleticism. Sure, I mean, like with Gobert,
I know they want to go Bert to neutralize heart
AND's time, but yeah, I think they need nas Reed
to play a little more.

Speaker 5 (02:23:30):
I think that's not going to happen after I agree
with you. And we saw nas Reeds play a lot
more minutes in him two And it's funny. I was
looking to play nas Reads over, but they did jack
it up. I bet over nine and a half in
game two. He landed on ten, fortunately for me, but
they now made it eleven and a half. They did
raise that two points. But I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (02:23:48):
Look Gobert, even Alexander Walker who played for Julius Randall,
and he played well.

Speaker 5 (02:23:55):
He did, He absolutely did, he absolutely did. I agree
with you. And you know what's interesting. You talk about Anthony,
you mentioned Gobert, and it's for such a player who's
had an accomplished career like he's had, it's very interesting
when you look at him. It's it's been season. It's
guys on me. I'm just keeping it real. After postseason
or postseason where he's been exposed, even going back to

(02:24:17):
his Jazz days against the Clippers, that series where he
wins the Defensive Player of the Year and then you
can't play the guy in the playoffs. It's just that
he's had such an interesting career, but that is not
a postseason player. Clearly not a postseason player.

Speaker 2 (02:24:31):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (02:24:32):
And you know they gave up a zillion things to
get the guy, and you watch him and you're like,
he really does look like a fish out of water
out there. And Oka, see, Anthony, you everything fitsy. They're
like they have like twelve guys outside of SGA. They
almost seem like they're just interchangeable guys. All these guys
come in, they're all good, they're all athletic, they're all
like just pesky on defense. They're just so deep and good.

(02:24:56):
It's just hard to beat this team four times. I
don't think anyone I feel.

Speaker 4 (02:25:01):
I feel like, to your point, I'm going to use
a dated eighties analogy for everyone listening, But I feel
like if Optimist Prime ever joined Voltron, that's what you
have with Okay, See, like the rest of them are
all Voltron. They form one big robot that'll kick your ass,
but they also have Optimist Prime and SGA, so like
they add exactly the main transformer to Voltron and then
all of a sudden, you have a you know, there's

(02:25:21):
their eighties a dated reference. Is there any is there
any sneaky value? Thank you verybody. You know eighties cartoons
for me always comes back to is there any sneaky
value you can find in the Nick's Pacer series? Because
we didn't go any props. There is there any anything
that you like there?

Speaker 5 (02:25:38):
You know, it's fine, I haven't done my deep dive
on the prop shit. It's if you can find og
on a newbie under two and a half assists, which
I bet the first thing. Don't look, they're going to
lower it for one. There, that definitely is value that
goes under about almost three fourths of the time, and
you don't have to go anywhere near that. I would
like his under too an emphasis if you can find them.

(02:25:59):
Not sure again, I haven't looked yet. I'm not sure
if that will be available. But look that series again.
Uh we blow that game. It's funny watching Game two
was almost the exact opposite Game one. Guys, right, they
worked up like ken late and it became a one
point game, and I'm thinking myself, this would just be
the craziest thing ever if both teams won a game
like that. But I always say in the postseason, you

(02:26:20):
that's when you have to either you know, it's a
do or die thing and you don't want to get
unlucky in the postseason. And the Knicks blowing a fourteen
point lead with two and a half minutes to go,
it never happened before in the history of the sport.
It's gonna be tough for them to overcome it. It's gonna
be really hard for that twin four or five.

Speaker 3 (02:26:36):
But we'll see anything in the In the hockey tonight,
we saw the dominance of Florida again.

Speaker 2 (02:26:45):
Carolina.

Speaker 3 (02:26:46):
You said something yesterday, I finc he's a big hockey guy. Yeah,
if you were talking to your buddy who was talking
about the Florida match up and how Carolina just can't
match up there, like playing in a straight.

Speaker 5 (02:26:58):
Jacket, Yeah, I haven't. Funny who was like, knows more
about hockey than like anyone I know. And he and
he was telling me because I was like, oh, you know,
kind of think this should be a really good series.
He's like he's like no, because he was he's rooting
for kid, he's a big Carolina fan, and he's like
he goes, no, he goes this is actually the worst
matchup for Carolina. He goes, They're going to really struggle
to score here, and he goes through all these technical

(02:27:20):
breakdowns with me. I'm not a hockey the hats like
he is. But he was telling me all these reasons
why he thought that this was just the worst possible
matchup for the Hurricanes. And what's crazy, Anthony. I know,
I mentioned she the other day. The Hurricanes are now
as I think it's fifteen straight conference final games, fortunate, coageous, possible, No,

(02:27:40):
it's interesting. Anty. All that being said, all that being said,
I was looking at being the sick person that I
have a betting Carolina getting a huge price in game
THREATM like, okay, they got you couldn't get more dominated
in the first two games than they were. Florida was
favored to win the first two. I mean, no one,
no one is going to Caroline this game. I also,

(02:28:01):
when you get close to two to one odds, this
is the price in the game is reasonable. I can't.
I can't do it. They're about a dollar forty five
dollars fifty favorite for Florida. I can't. I have no interest.

Speaker 3 (02:28:13):
You know why is that that makes no sense to me,
is that.

Speaker 5 (02:28:16):
Like we well, Anthony, essentially, like I do you remember, Anthony,
when I'll give you a good example, remember two years
ago with the Eagles not just well you're sorry, my
dogs are going crazy? Remember two years ago when Eagles
lost like those five or six games in a row
and they still were barely affecting the line at all,

(02:28:36):
as if because maybe your power like at a certain point,
and if you lose like one game, it maybe gets
stinged a little and then a little, but it's not
like it's like losing weight. You can't lose like forty
pounds in a day. They're just not going to affect
the power rating. Anthony. You're a matchup guy, and maybe
they don't adjust it enough, right, maybe they don't, but
they just don't adjust the powering that much off of

(02:28:56):
one or two games.

Speaker 2 (02:28:58):
What do you got baseball?

Speaker 5 (02:29:00):
You know, it's interesting, And these couple of things I
think have some value. Phillies against the Oak or Las
Vegas Aes or whatever they are. I love under five
runs in the five inning line. Christopher Sanchez has been
great all year. Jeffrey Springs has been dominant this month.
Twenty five innings, fifteen hits, four runs allowed both teams bullpens.

(02:29:25):
Don't even have a word for both teams bullpens, but
know Bueno. I'll leave it at that. But I really
do like under five runs. I think this game should
have been totaled four. I think it's one full runoff.
I think it'll be a low scoring game through five innings.
Two really good pitchers going against each other, like under
five in that game. And then Merril Kelly has been
absolutely it.

Speaker 4 (02:29:44):
Listen to this.

Speaker 5 (02:29:45):
If you look at his stats, the stats are incredible,
but he had one game and the second start of
the year, we gave up nine runs and like thirteen
hits in one inning or two innings. I backed that out.
If you took out that one start is the ra
sub two and his with his A point eight, he's
basically been the best picture in the National League stat
wise without that one start. But I love him under

(02:30:09):
two and a half runs. He's eighting two to that
under uh he's pitching great. I have total faith in
how he's going against the Okay Cardinals lineup. But I
really do like Merle Kelly. I also like I'm over
seventeen and a half outs as well. I think both
those are really good, bets. I expecting that success today.

Speaker 3 (02:30:26):
All right, there you go, good stuff, brain listen, you
enjoy your holiday weekend.

Speaker 5 (02:30:31):
All right, brother Pittsy, you got to let me know
when you're visiting, when you're coming to Florida. I'm busney
at that tiki bar.

Speaker 4 (02:30:38):
Oh, let's call, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (02:30:41):
Be good, guys.

Speaker 3 (02:30:42):
I appreciate you both than I can hear Fizzy's voice. Man,
I just love toads of his standing and drinking my hand.
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My only she gritted goes by too fans fitsy, And
my only disappointment today was we never got to win

(02:31:51):
totals and I hate rushing through them.

Speaker 4 (02:31:56):
The glorious news is we've got time before the season starts,
there is no doubt about it. But I do agree
with you because win totals are sort of the first
statement of how the world precedes your team, after the
draft and after everything else.

Speaker 3 (02:32:12):
So it's always schedule, right, because you always need to
have to really do the win totals properly. You need
to have a schedule kind of rolls out.

Speaker 4 (02:32:22):
Yeah, And it's it's always funny to me because inevitably
fans will think that you suck for not being as
energetic on your team as you should be. But also,
like what's funny to me is the number of fans
that don't realize that their team is actually the easy win.
Like right now, look as a Raiders fan, you know

(02:32:44):
Raiders fans, and my mentions all the time, we're gonna
win eight, nine, ten games, is we're gonna win eleven
games to go to the playoffs. Okay, just acknowledge that
every team, every other fan base, when they look at
the schedule, sees the Raiders and they're like, a easy win.
Titans fans are like, oh, we're gonna have a big
researchence this. Yet Patriots, the Patriots are favored in eleven games.
So I've already got Patriots fans chirping in my ear

(02:33:06):
in Connecticut. That's like, no, no, no, we're back, We're back.
I just caution everybody a little bit, like, you know, wait,
just wait, give it a month, get a month into
the season before you talk too much smack. Because if
you thought it was bad for the Knicks to celebrate
this way after beating Boston when they still have plenty
of work to do in the playoffs, it's even worse
when you're celebrating in June, telling everybody they're idiots, and

(02:33:27):
then your team turns out to suck at the beginning
of September. It's just just if everybody's wrong and your
team's gonna be epic, you have plenty of time to
talk your talk. If you're wrong and your team's gonna
suck yet again, it's just gonna be thrown in your
face every week. So you know, I just just wait
to talk your talk. That's all I ask people to do.

Speaker 3 (02:33:46):
So that's funny, you're right. Uh So I got to
ask you a question. I got this conversation with during
the week on my show with Mike Carafalo from the
NFL Network. We were talking about this schedule invariably going
to eighteen games, and his point was when does it stop?

(02:34:08):
You know, you know they're going to at some point
go to twenty. And then he's like, already there's a
lull in the middle of the season. And I was
thinking about this, and I go, I don't think so,
I don't feel any lull. Do you feel any lull

(02:34:30):
during the season, Like, forget about twenty and they're going
to go to eighteen. You know, I don't think this
is a case where I get a lull. I don't
feel any lull.

Speaker 4 (02:34:41):
No, tell me that Garafalo has been working in the
business too long. That's it, Like it's right, when does
it stop?

Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
Like?

Speaker 4 (02:34:49):
So, I remember I was sitting Okay, so the suburb Hendersonville,
it's just north of Nashville, and I was sitting in
Hendersonville a long time ago, a couple of years ago,
and we were sitting there chatting. They were talking about
the fact that yet another Mexican restaurant was opening up
in town, and one of my buddies was like, there's
like eighteen Mexican places in town. Why do we need
another Mexican restaurant? And I literally looked at him and

(02:35:11):
I'm like, well, it's a Friday and we're waiting forty
five minutes to get into this one. They'll stop building
them when people stop waiting an hour to get into them.
Like the supply and demand is a real thing. So
I would challenge anyone that says, well, when does it
stop on the growth of NFL games when numbers decline
in the ratings, which they don't like, there isn't a

(02:35:33):
lull for most fans. You want to give me twenty
Raiders games, I'm gonna watch twenty Raiders I'm gonna watch
every single one of them, like like I'm a slobbering
dog waiting for my treat at the end of a day.
Like it's just they're gonna keep giving games because I'm
gonna keep watching them.

Speaker 2 (02:35:47):
Yes, yes, Yes, is preach preach. Yes, I mean like
this all I do. Oh there's a lull.

Speaker 4 (02:35:55):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (02:35:56):
How you quantify a lull? I don't know. I don't
think fans fins.

Speaker 3 (02:36:01):
Coat's part of my routine, right, Like every Sunday, I
watch my team, I watched the league, I play my
fantasy football and I'm happy.

Speaker 2 (02:36:10):
That's it. It's pretty simple.

Speaker 4 (02:36:13):
Yeah, And as long as we can gamble on it,
play fantasy football on it, and then cheer on our
favorite team wins and losers, they'll know when they've overexpanded
because people eyeballs will go down and tell then, my god,
they're gonna keep making money. We're gonna keep watching like
we're the problem, not them.

Speaker 2 (02:36:28):
Yeah, I'm so with you.

Speaker 3 (02:36:30):
Like you know, you got these old sports NBA and
MLB and they're long seasons and all, but the money's
still there so they don't really have issues, let alone
the NFL.

Speaker 2 (02:36:44):
I mean stop.

Speaker 4 (02:36:47):
Yeah, I watch it all, You'll watch it all, and
we'll talk about it on every show every single day.
That's the beautiful part of it.

Speaker 2 (02:36:53):
That's it. Man.

Speaker 3 (02:36:55):
Well, my brother, get warm. I want you to relax.
Seven great weekend. We love you, guys. See you next Saturday,

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