The Fellas with Anthony Gargano & Jason Fitz Set the Stage For Game 7 of the NBA Finals, Look Ahead to the NFL Season & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning,
good morning, good morning. E everybody happy, happy. Fox Sports
Saturday Fellas Chase Fitz Anthony Gargano from the Fox Sports
Radio Studies in Los Angeles, getting ready for Game seven

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tomorrow night. What a series? What are great playoffs? And
what a finals? It's been Indiana And I heard people
talking about this the other day about will O Casey,
let me go or choke to whatever you want to
call it, Indiana jump. Then the Pacers jumped them. They

(00:49):
were fantastic. They took that game. They exposed their weakness
with a game which is half court, which is secondary
scoring besides SGA. When they're taking SGA on the game,
they're begging everybody else to beat you. Jalen Williams beat
him a Game five when he went off, but nobody

(01:10):
can really step up outside of that SGA to score
regularly in the half court. Good morning, Fitsie.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
So I need your brilliance. I need the absolute the brain.
I know we'll talk to him later this morning, but
I need the brain of Anthony Gargotta this morning because
everything you just said makes total sense. So why is
it every time I think, Okay, this series has figured
itself out. And by the way, every time that's happened,

(01:37):
it's really been for Indiana, not for Oka See. As
much as the world keeps telling me okay See is
his huge favorite, every time they get the opportunity, I
feel like every time I've looked at it and been like, yep,
all right, they gotta figure it out. This is easy.
Then all of a sudden they don't win the next game.
Like I can't wrap my head around what you just
said is absolutely one thousand percent right. Why isn't that simple?

(01:59):
Isn't it that simple? Because I don't feel right now
like I can just here, sit here and put my
feet up and say, Indiana's gonna win Game seven. But
if we only base this series on what we've seen
in this series alone, Indiana should win game seven.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh yeah, yeah. And here's maybe part of it. Well,
there's two. There's two things to play. When we have
a perceived favorite, a perceived really really good team, you
can't fathom how the underdog is in the game because

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in your mind you're like, oh, man, I watch Oka
Se roll over the regular season, I watch okac look
at periods of show, periods of dominance, So that's cos
to be what it is. But they have one huge
flaw that we gloss over and we act like we
don't see, and it's scoring and a half court it's

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a half court offense their lack of because they look
so dynamic when they're running up and down the floor
and walking into threes and you know, SGA's got space
to work and it looks pretty. So that's where our
mind is seeing, and you're glossing over all the all

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the warts, and there's a lot of warts. O case.
He's a good team. They're not some epic team. They're not.
They can't execute the half court and they lack secondary scoring.
But in our mind, it's tricking us to say, well,
I mean, okay, see that dev team which is not
that good. Tuck them to the brink. That should have

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been the light that went off, that should have told us.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
You're so right. And I just you know me and
the fact that it is like I've for years, I've
made the same joke. Ah, they don't build these huge
casinos out in Vegas by being wrong. Vegas has been
so wrong on this series and we have not we
you and I, but we as a collective, you know,
watching the NBA have just bent over backwards to try

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and make Vegas right on this series. I do think
I don't remember the last time I had to hear
the odds just crammed in my face.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
From day one, it's like, well, even if the Indiana
wins a game, but Vegas will still tell you that,
Okayc's gonna win this series. Every single time that we
bring that up, I just have rolled my eyes for
two weeks because at some point we have to step
up at to your point, I think, you know, the
confirmation bias that came into this series because Vegas said

(04:45):
that OKAYC was gonna just wipe the floor with them.
Every time there's just a glimmer of hope, we're like, well, no,
that that's the see now, this is the thunder that
we knew it was going to be here because look
what Vegas has to say. Like, I think it's pretty
obvious throughout the course of seven games the Vegas doesn't
know what the hell the hell they're talking about on
this series at all, and that's rare. But let's just
like just start throwing our hands up and say, hey,

(05:06):
Vegas got this one wrong. Man, because I do believe
that to your point, the first point that you just made,
the concept that Vegas believes this is such a wildly
uneven series has skewed the way that the series has
been covered and talked about.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
But even when Vegas is wrong, it's right because the
public is batting. OKAYC. I assume you know, I'm I
also think that Vegas is all about public perception, right,
Like Vegas to make a to make money, generate revenue,

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and to win it. They go and they read the public.
They go, all right, well, you know what's the public
willing to lay with OKAC? Clearly public opinion is on OKAC.
So is it? You know? Six points on the road,
seven points in the road, five points at home, four

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points at home. I think that's part of what you're
seeing too. I just think everybody's chasing Oka C. And
I look, I mean, I can't sit there and go.
I thought the game would be close. I didn't think
Indiana would win in the blowout in game six, and
plus I swore Haliburton's calf was a lot worse and

(06:27):
that would limit him. I mean, he looked like he
couldn't move in the in game five and I'm going, oh, man,
I don't know how that's gonna work, right, How does
he come back? In fact, I thought that Rick Carlisle
made a big mistake by leaving him in the game five,
and I would have got him right out of Game

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five and went to rest it away with TJ and
just wrote a hot hand and gave Haliburton a chance
to rest right because I figured I was gonna lose
that game. And you know, I'm sure enough. He came
back and he played well. You ain't even played a
ton of minutes, but he played well the time he played,
and that to me was another big deal. But this
series is at seven games for one reason. It's defending

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okay scene a half court.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Yeah, and that there is a level of intensity to
what Indiana is doing on the defensive side of the
ball and a level of I don't know, there's just
a fearlessness to the way that they push with the basketball.
That it's just it is. So it has been evident
throughout the course of this playoffs that when Indiana has

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any level of offensive rhythm, like if Indiana is going
to get to triple digits, you are going to have
a hard time beating them if they have any offensive
rhythm at all. They are just tough. And they are
tough ironically because coming into this this series, but what
everybody was touting, or rightfully so, based on the regular
season was the depth of Oklahoma City, and the comment was, well,

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Indiana is deep, too, but Oklahoma City's just better and deep.
And throughout the course of this series, the truth has
been now Indiana is much more balanced, much deeper, much
more capable of running the ball all the way over
around on the offensive side, fearless in pushing the ball
up the court, and when they unless they're shooting like idiots.

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Like the times that they lose the game has been
one of two things for Indiana. They're losing either because
they're turning the ball over recklessly or because it's just
one of those nights where they can't hit anything. When
those are not their problems, man, theys, the balanced scoring
that they are capable of getting from all over the
court just makes it really hard to shut them down.

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And to your point, the turnaround in Halliburton from Game
five to Game six was truly phenomenal, but also just
I mean, I feel like every single game they are
going to get double digits from six guys and that's
just that's tough to beat in the modern NBA.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Totally, you're Steers spot on, spot on, FITZI. And the
other issue too, is we completely overrated the OKC bench.
Facts we just did. The Indiana's bench is not just better,
but it's way better. Like Obi Toppin has been a guarantee.

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And this is where Vegas is wrong because Brain, I
thought the brain during the week on my other show,
and he brings up these player props and like t
J McConnell and Obi Toppin's player props were like six points,
eight points. Obi Toppen was like ten, nine, eleven, like
and the entire series day have gone over those points

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because they've been delivered for them. And I go back
to the secondary scoring. And this is where Rick Carlisle
I think is a really really good coach. All right.
I know I made the remark about you know, taking
Halib right now, but I I think Carlisle is a
great coach. I remember when he was Larry Bird's assistant
and the Indiana went to the finals, and like he's

(10:08):
always really good defensive coach. He's figured out a way
to take out SGA, like by blitzing him and again
who steps up? I mean Jana william stepped up one
time and went nuts right like. I mean, he's had
a decent series. He's got great looks one all one.

(10:28):
I mean they're double and triple in SGA and it
wears Chet Holmgren. He had one game this series. The
other night he was miserable. He had opportunity after opportunity.
If they have all those picks and and all that all,
you know, you have a coffer filled with assets. They

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need to turn it into some scoring. They need another score.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
I mean, I pulled the box up from the last
game because I wanted to. In my mind Chet was terrible.
But I pulled the box pro upe two and nine
from the four over three from the from free throw,
from three point line, four points total, like in a
game where you can win the NBA Championship. That's just
that's tough, man. That is a tough tough yeah, one

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hundred percent. And you know you just start looking at
not just the scoring on the other side, but the efficiency.
I think I use the word efficiency too much. Don't
take a shot this morning. Every time we talk about efficiency,
because you're gonna have a rough morning. But my god,
when you talk about the efficiency of Indiana in that
last game, when you've got not just scoring from everybody,

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but everybody's shooting around fifty percent while they're doing it,
that's just golly that that's where Indiana again, when they're
moving the ball around and they're hitting those open looks. Now,
as somebody smarter than me, he's got to explain why I,
okay See is so bad on the road at times
and so good at home. I get that in other sports,

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I really do, but in the it's always confused me
in the NBA, like every court's the same, Yeah, every
ball is the same, every rim is the same. This
isn't Major League Baseball. I understand why home field advantage
is such a big deal there. It's always blown my mind.
But the fact is, okay See is a different beast
at home than they are on the road. I get
all of those things. But now let's factor that cliche

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with the cliche that Indiana is absolutely fearless on the road,
which they have been throughout the course of this Like
they've they've won in every environment, in every situation, and
they've done it over and over and over again, Like
I gotta be honest, like I just if I got
to put trust, you know, if I going into Sunday night,
if you've got to put trust into one side or
the other. The only reason I could make an argument

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for trust for Oka See is that SGA does a
nice job of drawing a lot of calls, getting a
lot of calls in games, and if the if the
rest are calling it tight, that plays to the advantage
of Okay See. I can't find anything else I can
really trust Oklahoma City more than I can trust Indiana
going into a Sunday Night.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Can Well you talked about it with the home court,
their role players play better, So like I can make
the case like here, what I believe is I still
believe OKAC will win. I think, I mean, I think

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Indiana is going to keep it close because they just
have all serious and I could see it again and
so that I believe is a given. But I think
it's gonna come down to some role players and like Wiggins,
Wiggins shoots the ball better at home right for whatever
reason it is, but you see it ob top in

(13:52):
the Indiana role players. Just I think in general, role
players play better at home. They give you a little
bit more. Uh, And I think they shoot the ball
better at home. Whatever it is, whether it's just friendly rims,
understanding the rims, I don't know. They just shoot the
ball better at home. So I expect, okay, see to

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get some contribution from like Wiggins. Maybe Dort HiT's a
couple of threes, like those secondary threes two three here
means so much in the course of a game because
the courtse of a run, right, Like they extend those runs.
Nobody's like, I don't care about SGA knocking down threes.

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You know, you need those role players, which maybe deep
Isaiah Joe like you can't get on the floor because
he plays no defense, right, Cason Wallace promising player, not ready? Right,
Dort can't shoot on the road. Wiggins can't shoot on
the road, Like that's been the story of their betch. Meanwhile,

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gives a TJ. McConnell. Who should be an MVP candidate?

Speaker 3 (15:10):
I mean, you're not You're not wrong. I think all
these conversations about should he be in the the MVP. Hell, yes,
he should be. Do you think that the fact that
we got a couple of days matters at all? Like,
do you think the fact we think of Friday and
Saturday off, they come back on Sunday. You know, I
think we all felt like Indiana the sort of the pace.

(15:31):
This is a pace of play series. I don't know,
I can't. I can't wrap my head around whether or
not I feel like an extra day of rest actually
makes the difference in this series.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
Well, it's gonna it just helps in the Anna only
because it helps Halliburton.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
So yeah, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean it's gonna help him. And I do think
it's you know, I think you're right. I mean, it's
gonna come down the pace, but it's gonna come down there.
It's gonna come down there. Like who's hitting the secondary
role players they've that are hitting shots. I mean they win, right,
figu about this? They win game six. Miles Turner was
awful in the game, awful, and Siakam was good, but

(16:14):
he wasn't as good as he wasn't the previous game. Right,
Like they won because Obi top of gives him twenty
off the bench, because McConnell gives them what twelve nine boards,
six assists off the bench. Like that's how they won
the game.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Yeah, one hundred percent that and the fact that they
had ten less turnovers and okay, see, I just I
it to me Game five and their sloppiness with the
turnovers was just gross to watch from an Indiana team
that's better than that. I feel like the path to
losing this game from Indiana is just pushing recklessly and

(16:56):
carelessly and giving up the basketball if they don't do that,
I genuinely at this point, maybe it's a prisoner of
the moment and I'm trying not to be in this series,
but my god, throughout the course of this series, I
think what Indiana has done has been more bankable, more
reliable to bet on for a Game seven than what
Oklahoma City has done. And I've said this to you
now over the course of this series multiple times, but

(17:19):
I know you mentioned wasn't as good in the last
game as he was the game before, necessarily, but I
still think you go into a Game seven having somebody
like Siakam that has been in these situations. I just
think that's a calming force that really does matter. I'm stunned,
because my I'm stunned to sit here and say this.
I genuinely believe Indiana is gonna win tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Night.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yeah, listen, I I'm not trying to talk. I won't
talk you out of it. I mean, I you know,
I think they have more than a puncher's chance, that's
for sure. I will talk about it. What morning we got,
we'll get through. Uh. We've got a lot of NFL
stuff to go through as always, we got you know,
uh draft stuff, college football. But this hadba files. Man,

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this is fun. All right, this is good stuff. I
hope people are watching it. So we're gonna dive deep
dive into all that stuff. We're just getting started. The
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Speaker 2 (18:31):
Welcome back, Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano hanging out with
you guys, getting back to it. It's funny when you
look at you talked about public perception. You know, look

(18:54):
no further than last Super Bowl. Last Super Bowl which
the game wasn't even close and the Chiefs were the favorite, right,
the Chiefs went off of this a little slight favorite, like,
you know, if you candycap that game, right, you go,

(19:14):
oh the Chiefs, you know, ah, the chief And I
remember talking to people and going, I think the Eagles
went big and it was only because of the Eagles
defense in the front versus Kansas City's OH line, and
it was like, I don't know, I'm like, I'm not
seeing from the Chiefs. Like everybody talked about the regression
from Kansas City, that you know, they were in close games.

(19:36):
You just have to win close games, and that you know,
were they really the best team in the AFC? But
this is you know, a team went for a three
p and they deserve respect, which I get and they
do deserve respect. But if you actually kind of looked
through the whole thing, I think the answer was there
for you. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
And that's one of the interesting things about the amount
of gambling coverage that we have now is that, more
than ever, it just creates huge narratives one way or
the other, and it absolutely sways groupthink in general to
decide that the outcome is just a known And the

(20:18):
funny thing is I can so often we can forgive
that in a one off situation, you know, being wrong
about one game being wrong about the Super Bowl or
the NCAA tournament feels right point in a seven game series,
It's just it is abundantly no matter what happens tomorrow,

(20:39):
it's abundantly clear that Vegas was wrong about this series.
And that's that's just a wild moment where we got
to step back from all of it and just remind
ourselves that you're so right the money and the way
it comes in and how they get the action and
who's who's gambling on what, and now, especially living in

(21:00):
a time where in a world where you've got so
much money being gambled by so many people, crowd mentality
becomes a bigger part of it. So it feels like
point spreads are even more volatile at times because it's
not just well, these small pockets of gamblers and sharks,
you know, it's truly everybody with the phone. It's kind

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of wild to look at this series and just step
back and say, Okay, it became a common narrative. And
I'm not just talking with the gambling community. I mean
the number of times I was sitting around watching ESPN
and after every single game, it's like, yeah, but reminder,
Vegas still tells you that this is OKAC series. All right,
Well that for me, that narrative really died after I

(21:44):
don't know what Game two, when you realized, okay, no,
this series is going to be a back and forth,
a just two fighters going at it, and it is
what it is at this point, no matter what we
thought it was going to be. This is one of
those series where, frankly, I think it's been elite. I
think this has been incredible. This is as much as

(22:05):
I'm the one I know on this show that always
talks about who's watching it, who's watching it? I sit
here now and I say, I don't give it, damn like,
because if you're not watching, you're like, this is great basketball,
Like this is to me, this is wildly entertaining. So
this series has done everything it was supposed to do
and more, and it should have through the course of
seven games, broken through whatever people thought it was gonna

(22:27):
be at this point, so that I no longer care
what Vegas or anybody else thinks. I think at this
point you just kind of crumble that up and throw
it away and say, Okay, we got one game. At
this point, it's this series has been wild and court.
This should be a series that has given us two
Golden States. There should be two teams everybody's falling in
love with, good, good stories to track for the next

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several years. Like this should be that that crowning moment
for Indiana and Oka. See that says, hey, we're gonna
be here for a minute, and let's fall in love
with these So to me, that's what what we've had
throughout the course of this now seven game series.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. Man, it's good. It's fun.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
Like this, I don't know, this is.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
What I love about basketball, right, Like what I enjoy
about the NBA. I don't enjoy the regular season and
stars sitting out and like this weird who cares mentality
scheduled losses and stuff like that. That stuff I hate
that stuff. But like, let me in on this, man,

(23:28):
this is great. This is this has been awesome. And
the other issue has been look peace and the way
that the way the two and a half months goes,
it really should make you rethink how you build teams.
And like, I know that that you know Yannis, and

(23:50):
I still think Yannis isn't at the end, but I
would be careful with getting in bed with these old
aging stars anymore with the huge contracts. I just think
it's a recipe to get old quick and not keep
up because I'm watching the pace here and the pace

(24:14):
is legit, like you know, and I look, look, we've
seen what the playoffs? Do you know? Tatum has an
achilles tear. H you know, look what happened to Dame
right like these older players that have to deal with this,
this up and down and two and a half months,

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it's tough. Man.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
It takes some tall on you, I mean modern NBA
to me. And this flies right smack into the Kevin
Durant conversation because rightfully, everybody's obsessed where's KD gonna go.
I think it's a problem with your league that we're
worried about that in the middle of the NBA Finals.
Like I would, I would let us all focus on
the finals. I would hold all players.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I'd be worried about it. Or is that a media
driven thing?

Speaker 3 (25:00):
It's a media driven thing, but it just gives people
an excuse to talk about something other than the actual game.
And your point, and I keep saying, this is a
really valid one. If we take the in my mind,
if we take the bubble as a weird year. I
think that's just fair to say the bubble was a
weird year, not taking away the Lakers championship. It's just

(25:20):
a weird year. If you take that weird year sort
of out of this conversation for a second, then look
at our NBA champions a year by year. When's the
last time a kd like acquisition resulted in a championship? Like,
we spent more time talking about Kawhi going to the
Clippers than we did Kawhi winning a championship with the Raptors.

(25:42):
And if you just go back over the course of
the last several years, whether it's this series, or whether
it's the Celtics or the Nuggets or you know, the
version of the Warriors that did win, or the Bucks
you know, or Toronto before them, Like, keep going through this.
I mean, over the course of the last several years,
it's pretty clear that the way to win a championship
is to draft, to find yourself a superstar in the draft,

(26:05):
find some pieces you can put around them, and build
a deep basketball team like that. I don't think that's
a hot take, and nobody seems to be obsessed with
following that path. I mean kudos to whoever gets KD,
but there is no current in my mind proof of
concept that that's actually the way you win an NBA championship.
It's the way you make yourself more relevant going into

(26:26):
the season. And it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't
make you a championship. But my god, we just are
a champion. But we just did this a few years
ago with KD, you know, and every time it's wow,
how many rings is he gonna have to win with
the Suns that the answer was none, And so what
are we doing? Like in my mind in the copycat league,
I just the way to build it is not to
go out and acquire KD. No, Well, dude, I don't

(26:48):
even understand it.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
There was there was talk before it gets KD put
out the team's his his preferred destinations. There was talk
about the six Ers rating the number three pick and
trying to come away with k D, and you know,
the Sixers ownership was looking to do that. I'm like,
you guys just don't get it. You guys just don't understand.

(27:13):
Like Daryl Morey again chasing like how many times do
we need to see the Brooklyn nets right? Like we
saw that we saw when it was like, oh my god,
it's Kyrie and Hardy and KD together and so much
so that they go, you know, we're gonna get a
coach that's a collaborator, and a collaborator not a coach.

(27:37):
You know, I don't work for him, He's gonna work
for us. You remember Kyrie saying that stuff, you know,
like they didn't want to coach, like they they felt
like they were gonna win. And it just goes to
show you again, players play and coaches coach, right, and
the way the whole thing is done is not with ego.

(27:58):
You're not winning with ego. And all those stars together
is too much ego in this ego just filled overflowing league.
You gotta have selfless players to win.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
I also think that, So I'm gonna tie this all
into you just mentioned the number three overall pick. The
beauty of the NFL draft is that college football creates
household names and stars, and we're so invested by the
time we get to the NFL draft in you know,
the guards that we know people that are being drafted

(28:38):
in the third round as a general population. In the
NBA draft, once you get through like two names half
the people are looking around and have no idea who's
going to be any good?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Right?

Speaker 3 (28:48):
And I will remind everybody that the two biggest stars
in this series Terry Salliburton. He was the twelfth overall
pick to Sacramento and then traded right and then SGA
was the eleventh overall pick to the Hornets. Ironic. I mean,
it's amazing that the Hornets can say that they traded
Kobe and SGA, but SGA was traded by Charlotte, right.
So like the concept here, and I'm hearing it a

(29:11):
lot with this year's draft because everybody knows like three
names and then we start to get into no idea
who that person is, no idea who that person is.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
We need to.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Start accepting that the part of this process is finding
your whatever timing and the rough year guy that or
your draft pick that you believe smart basketball minds are
going to build around and then build around it. And
that doesn't feel as sexy because we walk into these
drafts only knowing Cooper Flag and everybody else is like, well,
we'll see. I have no idea. But this final series

(29:42):
is a pretty I think relevant reminder to everybody that
eleventh pick twelfth pick in the draft. Those can turn
into future NBA Finals teams. You just got to be
patient and build the right things around them. You gotta
have a really good basketball mind making the picks for you.
You got to get a lot of things right a
lot of times to build these teams the right way.

(30:02):
And that doesn't feel as sexy or an immediate as
just going out and acquiring a KD. But my god,
this this final series we're watching right now. But it's
the same thing. Like nobody was doing naked cartwheels in
the street in Milwaukee when they drafted Giannis Onto Tumpo.
That wasn't a thing. Like when Jokic was drafted, people
weren't turning around and saying, we're gonna kick your ass

(30:25):
because we got Yokish, right, Like, It's just the NBA
doesn't work that way. So everybody's got to slow and
lower it a little bit and just live through the
process of figuring out, do you have a guy, and
then developing that guy and being smart enough to not
be Sacramento and trade that guy right, Like, I mean,
the number of these guys that were on a team
and then go somewhere else and then they're built around

(30:46):
with an organization that has no choice but to be
patient because they suck. And now all of a sudden
you find them in the NBA finals.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Dude, spot on on. And here's the other thing. We
had no patience. There are no patience for growth, for development.
You know, one of the things in football with the
best teams is that the best teams develop players. You
develop online, you take guys late, and you know there

(31:16):
are projects, but you go, all right, I can develop.
I have great coaches that can develop players. NBA, you know,
player development is a real thing. Guys get better, and
we have no patience. Teams are teams have no They
are run so badly. Many of these teams are just

(31:39):
run poorly because they have no patients. They have a
lot of bad money, bad contracts, and they don't develop players.
Like when you're getting kids that are coming out and
you know, young kids that are not four year players
five year players, right, you know. The one of the
things in the NFL now they're older, right, So that

(32:01):
makes it easier of coaches because guys been around, they're
older the whole thing. But the NBA is a younger league.
You've got to have time for development, and you've got
to have coaches who can develop players.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I feel like this we echo this in all sports.
We live in a nozipic society. I say this all
the time. We all want results right now, We all
want everything in our lives to change right now. Most
of the time, we don't want to put in the
work that it requires. We don't want to be patient enough.
And I say that because we live sort of in
this society at this point where it may have taken

(32:36):
it ten years to put on the weight, but you
want to take it off in three months and then
you feel better about everything. It's just none of it
is that simple. And you're right, the backbone of every
single sport at some level is still drafting. Like you
have to have a minor league system at least in
theory and to put yourself in a competitive situation. Go

(32:59):
back to the beginning of the Chiefs dynasty and something
that Field Gates pointed out on Twitter at that point
a couple of years ago is that the Chiefs hadn't
missed literally on a top three draft pick in like
five years at that point. And that's the way you
We talk all the time about who you pai and
who you don't pay. But the way you consistently win
in the NFL is you consistently nail it in the draft,

(33:19):
and once you do that, all of a sudden, wow,
your franchise looks wildly different. Like, you know, the conversation
of would you would there ever be a trade like
we saw in the NBA in the NFL where a
player goes for four first round picks. I don't think
there ever would be in modern NFL, but you know
who there should be that sort of trade for Howie Roseman,
Like somebody should go to the Eagles and say, I'll

(33:40):
give you five years of first round picks and I'm
going to pay him a hundred million dollars because there's
nothing that stops you from doing it, and you need
somebody in your front office that can actually consistently build
a champion. Like that's just that it's invaluable to be
the draft. Well and every.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Singport and how He's done a great job. But there's
two factors that get overlooked. And if one of it
is we just talked about, and I want to I
really need to bring this up because it's germane to
the conversation. Uh, well, take quick t o come right
back and continue. Fellas hanging on.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
The precipice of Game seven tomorrow night.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Jason Fitz, Anthony Garganda right here, Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
Radio, listening to Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Radio Radio, Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano hanging out with you. Uh.
One of the things you brought out fits which is
interesting about talking about Howie Roseman and you're right, I mean, he's,

(34:44):
you know, a really great gemman. Will you be the
first to tell you that when you have I don't know,
say Jeff Statlin, right, who's one of the best O
line coaches that you have and understand about developing play
like Jordan may Alatta became one of the best left

(35:04):
tackles in football because of Staltlin. Staltlin turns, turns.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Uh uh with his face left late with the guard
from the Jets, Mkai Beckton, Thank you, I'm gonna say,
Anthony beck.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
He turns uh. McKay Beckton, who was a failure right
as a tackle with the Jets, turns him into a
player at guard and he winds up getting paid going
to the Chargers, Like you know, when you could develop
young players like they lost Jason Kelcey and it didn't matter.

(35:51):
Let me think about that for a second.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
I mean right that you're one thousand percent right. If
I I in the NFL, particularly, and I will credit
my buddy Frank Schwab over Yahoo was the first person
that ever said this to me, and I never thought
of it, and I think it's right. In the NFL particularly,
there is no salary cap for coaches, and there's no

(36:14):
salary cap for front office. I don't care how much
it costs. Like if I ran an NFL, if I
was Mark Davis today, instead of worrying about bringing him,
you know, Tom Brady and then bringing over Pete Carroll,
I would look around and I say, okay, it is
clear who the best person in the NFL has been
for the last several years drafting. I will offer him

(36:35):
whatever it takes, go full eighties, pro wrestling, million dollar man.
Everybody's got a price, So I want to know your price.
Whatever I give you twenty million dollars a year, I
don't care. And then the first thing I ask him
is who are the best coaches that you need?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
All right?

Speaker 3 (36:48):
Cool? Then give me everyone, Like to your point, if
I know that there's an offensive line coach. That is
a distinct advantage, and there's no salary cap that prevents
me from paying what it like if I'm Jerry Jones,
My god, I got more money than I can ever
figure out. I could scrooge mcduckett and sleep and beds
filled with one hundred dollars bills for the rest of
my life. Go spend all of that money to bring

(37:11):
in whoever it takes to build that team. That's the
only to your point, it's a great part of why
Philly is absolutely dominant, and we agree and talk about
it all the time, and the show you win in
the trenches. Go pay whatever it takes to get the
best offensive line coach, the best defensive line coach. Like
money is no object at that point, Go outbid everybody

(37:32):
else and create Who cares if it screws the coaching
salary system for everybody else, Go do whatever it takes,
trade all the pics you need to, spend all the
money you need to. That's the real way that you
build a team moving forward.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
So case and point, the Eagles win with defense last year.
I mean obviously that good offensive Barklaton whole thing in
their all line, but their defense was the difference two
years ago. Their defense was a mess. A mess. They
bring in Vic Fangio, right, Fangio in the first four

(38:08):
games that they were leaking, right first, the game one
against the Packers in Brazil, they gave up twenty nine points.
They were a team that didn't know how to tackle.
I mean, look basic stuff. Fanju comes in and that
they took it, just took form. Now you got two
great young rookies at quinnya Mitchell Cooper Dejen But again

(38:33):
that's also Vic Fangio saying I liked this Jack Bawn.
I'm going to put him in the middle, and he
turns out to be one of the best linebackers in
the NFL. But that's because of Fangio. He sees this stuff.
He puts these players in that spot. He knows how

(38:54):
to develop players, knows how to coach players. You know,
been around a game one thousand years and that's the wisdom,
and it's development. That's the point.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah, I mean, how often do we talk about stable
organizations and I don't care what's what we're talking about.
Your front office has a true understanding of exactly why
they're acquiring who they're acquiring, and the coaching staff has
a true understanding of exactly what they're getting in hand.
And you know, it's to use a restaurant analogy. It's

(39:26):
no different than you got to have make sure the
chef has to know who's buying the food and why
they're buying the food. And if the chef's making a menu,
it's got to be with the right ingredients. And that's
that's a tougher synergy to get than it seems to
make sense to most of us.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, you're yeah, you're spot on. I know we're doing
giving you football analogies, and you know it's not always
apples to apples, but you know, the idea of the
star man, I mean, Kevin Durant, Who's Kevin Durant? Want
to win? You God blessed whole famer. Fellas on Fox.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
In the morning. Morningbody well, Happy Abby, Abby, Fox Sports
Saturday winding down June. I believe I lost tracking the
countil I think seventy six days until the start of

(40:28):
the NFL season.

Speaker 3 (40:31):
Jon, That's what I saw on social media. I think
I saw that on social media. Yeah, yeah, it feels
like a lifetime.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah, No, I haven't really, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (40:41):
I'm ready. I'm just I'm I don't know. It feels
like the weather's been weird this summer. All it does
is rain in Connecticut. Had the had the this this
fun little tidbit. Today will be the first Saturday that
doesn't have rain in Connecticut since February fifteenth, So oh
my god, yeah, so this whole years just like, yeah,

(41:01):
I just I'm ready for summer to be over. Just
take me straight to fall.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Well you having are you getting a heat wave? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah, yeah, we're getting a hundred degrees this weekend too,
so yeah, it's finally. But I'll take that over. I
had to turn the heat on in my car going
to the gym the other day, so I'll take I'll
take the heat wave over that.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
Well.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
It's bizarre, right because you're right, last weekend it was
like sixty five degrees and now it's going to be
one hundred, you know, like it's nuts. We had like
these crazy storms. I mean, yeah, it's been a weird spring,
you know, like what's wrong with seventy eight eighty? Like, Sony,

(41:39):
I'm all in for that.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
If you if you could go ahead and you know,
talk to the man upstairs and make that happen. I
would be forever grateful, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
Yeah, man, I mean come on, yeah, today's going to
be a nice, beautiful hot day for baseball. Nothing like it.
Muffel white baseball games in the ninety degree heat. Oh
my god. UH lots to get to, but let's get

(42:08):
let's get back to uh in the attic because I
love covering this thing from many different you know kind
of advantage points and the pacers and what we learned.
We were talking toward the end of last segment about
the Star thing and how the star thing has been

(42:28):
a failure. Like when the players got control of the
league and there was a you know, this cadre of players.
It was Lebron and k D and Steph and Kyrie
and Harden. Right, you had these these guys who were

(42:49):
who were the elite of the elites and in charge
of the league. And every time there was three together,
they didn't win. Is that about ego? Like I know,
people go, well, you know they could play together, But
you know, TJ. McConnell and Obi Toppin have had such

(43:15):
a major force on this year. I've been such a
major force in this series, Like TJ McConnell, it's ridiculous.
He's the MVP. I don't care what anybody says this
whole series. You don't win without TJ McConnell. That's TJ McConnell.
He was in Philadelphia during the process cast aside as

(43:37):
just this you know nothing player, it's you.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Know it's it's back to the the concept of the
right way to build a team. It feels like both
of these teams, you know, they're a combination of Transformers
in Voltron, right, Like so Voltron for anyone that remembers
their eighties cartoons or a bunch of robots that came
together they made one big robot. But Transformers, which were
far more popular, had optimist prime. Both of these teams

(44:06):
have essentially who their optimist prime is meant to be
by construction. But they're really more Vultron than anything and
that works. And I think part of it is having
the right person in charge that knows how to make
sure like Rick Carlisle has done such a good job
and is a Hall of Fame caliber coach for a reason, right,
so it gets a lot of street cred from all

(44:26):
of us. I think both coaches throughout the course of
the season. Not necessarily. There's been times in this series
that there have been questions, but both coaches about the
course of the season have shown an ability to make
the most of the combination they have. I also think
that it takes the right group of people together in
any of these situations. You know, if you're putting together

(44:46):
a band, super bands rarely work right, Like, you don't
need the best guitar player, the best drummer, and the
best bass player of all time. Unique guys that are
capable of playing with each other and have an understanding
of how to make that work. I think if you're
putting a radio show together, you know you need two guys,
three guys with people, guys and girls that have an
understanding of how to work together, and that creates a

(45:09):
better chemistry and that creates a better show. I just
I think this is a common thread in most things,
that it's about building the right team. But in sports,
the weird part about it is we get our hope
from things that we know, and this happens again. You
can go back to the NFL when we get the
free agency, most fans want their teams to sign every

(45:32):
person they've ever heard of on red zone that they've
seen score a touchdown or get an interception. They don't
necessarily want to take this approach of yeah, our team
did nothing. How often do you hear that my team
did nothing? Because at some point you spend so much
time waiting for the moment that the only thing that
gets you through that is hope, And hope comes far

(45:54):
more easily from name recognition and from having an understanding
of who you're acquiring. If you're a team right now
that's trying to figure out how to get if you're
a fan of a team that's trying to figure out
how to get to the next step, if you're a
Sixers fan right now, even though you shouldn't be this way,
what's easier to sell, Hey, we're going to keep the
third overall pick and we're going to put the right

(46:14):
pieces in place, and you may never even heard of
these players, but we're going to build something here that
will work together, I promise, Or we're going to go
out and get KD. That's just such an easier sell
to a fan base and to people that are sitting
back here looking for a reason to be excited. And
the way we talk about sports the way we cover it,

(46:35):
and we want reasons to be excited. And that's far
easier to sell with either the first overall pick in
the draft or name everybody's heard of than it is
to sell with pieces and and it's just that's just fact.
If you are a Pacers, if you're just a random
NBA fan that's sitting around, and it's like, okay, well,
we're either going to spend our time talking about TJ

(46:57):
McConnell or we're going to spend our time talking about KD.
Most people just don't know anything about TJ McConnell, so
it's easier to fall in love with the concept of
what KD will do.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Yeah, now you're right, you know you're spot on, but
that's not how you win. And ultimately, to talk about
those players get you so far, Like, ultimately there's got
to be some sort of substance. That's kind of where

(47:30):
I like this finals because I think it's the finals
of substance. It's not empty stars. And you know, me, me, me,
me me, I can be honest with you, I'm into
this new NBA, starless NBA. Yeah, where you got great players,

(47:54):
but you know, this whole Kyrie, I walk home order
and look at me, look at me. Like again, Kyrie
was a great player. But when his idea that he
was going to have a coach who was not going
to be in charge, he was explicit in saying that

(48:15):
he was not this coach is not going to be
in charge, that he was going to be a collaboration
with him and Harden and KD. And it's so disrespectful
to the to the to the sports in general, Like,

(48:38):
you need a coach. I don't care how veteran you are.
You have to have a coach because the ego is involved.
Ego is the danger. And when you got three gigantic egos,
you see it when you would go, well, can you

(49:00):
win because of the cap, No, you can't win because
you got three mega egos that will never take from self.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Is part of the magic of what Steve Kerr did
and has done for so many years. And Phil Jackson
also just the ability to manage egos, Like I think
getting everybody to buy into doing things a certain way
is you know, and great coaches say all the time.
It's a cliche, but I think a lot of people
that have had tremendous success say all the time, fall

(49:34):
in love with the process because the outcome is something
that you don't necessarily control, but the process is something
you can control every single day, right, And so I
would say the same thing to fans, fall in love
with the process. And that's not a great answer because
especially when your team sucks, you feel like you're always
starting the rebuild over and over and over and over.
But the fact is, you got to do that till

(49:55):
you get it right. And that's the process you have
to fall in love with, because, as cliche is, it
sounds the only thing you can truly affect you. You
can't guarantee a win, but you can guarantee the little
things within the process every single day. And we spent
some time earlier this year talking about how hard it
is at times to watch regular season basketball. But think

(50:16):
about the things that we talked about that are tough
to watch with you know, lack of effort and with
just iso ball everywhere and people standing around and it
just it doesn't feel like things matter. And then you
think about what we've seen in this series and it's
the opposite of that, Like the ball movement has been beautiful,
and watching just the defensive effort has been really incredible

(50:38):
to see, and just the flow of the game has
been awesome, and the coaching has done a really good
job of managing all of this, and the role players
have said like, this is everything modern NBA basketball wants
to be, and it's a great example. And that is
the celebrated portion of it. But I do think it's
a reminder to the teams and the players and the

(50:59):
coaches and the front offices, but also importantly to the
fans that it is a true process to build a
championship caliber team like Okay, see had to you know,
try and rebuild, throw it away, try and rebuild, throw
it away, start building draft picks, throw it away. They've
they've had to do so much to get back to
the finals from when they were here before that, it's

(51:21):
like it's a total different everything for every single fan.
It doesn't even feel like it's the same franchise, but
it is because at some point that is the process.
You just keep throwing it out until you get it
right and there I don't think there's any cheat to that.
That's the only way you can actually build a championship team.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Now you're spot on, spot on, I mean, that's what
it is, it's the only way.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
How do you how do you sell that? Right? Like
that's all like it takes so much trust from everybody
or so much Like I was hanging out a couple
of days ago with a guy that's an Oklahoma City thunderfan,
and he just has been his whole life, and he
was just sort of laughing about the fact that, like, hey,
what other choice. We sucked for a long time, but
what other choice do you have? You just kind of

(52:09):
have to go through it, and like, I think the
only fan bases that are able Like this is why
it's weird to be a Lakers fan, because if you
ever go to a Lakers fan and say, hey, you
know what the process is going to be with our
ten billion dollar team. We're just gonna rip this thing
apart of the studs and we're going to start a
whole rebuild process that may or may not work, and
we may have to restart it three or four times
and it could take fifteen years, but man, we're gonna

(52:30):
come out of it on the other side with the
team that can be really good for six or seven
or eight years in a row. And that's a tough
sell when you have options when you don't have options,
You're like, well, what choice do I have? I just
have to suffer through this over and over and over again.
But now you look at that, that suffering is certainly
like Sunday night. That suffering was worth it. If you're
a thunderfan of you're a Basers fan, like, it's been

(52:53):
worth a long wait because you're looking at it and say, man,
we're really good, and we're also really young, and there's
a lot of hope here, not just for right now,
but for the next several years, and it feels like
we're finally relevant, like all of these magical things. But
they didn't happen overnight from signing D. They happened doing
it the long, hard, brutal way that a generation has
to suffer through to get to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Yeah, I mean it could be again. It could be done.
You just gotta have the metal and the fortitude for it.
And you know, I hate to say it, and it
sounds cliche and stupid all but it's true. Man. These
short cuts don't work. They just don't work. That's why
I lost I lost my mind when I heard Maury

(53:38):
talking about you know, KD. I'm like, are you out
of crazy, you already went down this road, Like I
don't mean to put it through a philophic perspective only
because I use that and use that as an example
because I'm here and I just see the mistake as
from the stake, and I'm like, are you kidding me?

(54:01):
You got an ag You can't win. You have Joel
Embiid and Paul George guys who break down right listen.
I love him beand I know I'm in a minority,
but the guy, the guy was an amazing town. The
guy can't move like, he doesn't have the same his
knee doesn't have cartilage right like, and he's struggling dealing

(54:23):
with pay management and all that stuff. How's he going
to go through two and a half months of a
playoff rigger? He hasn't been able to do it yet,
and now once he's in his thirties and the injury
is there, he's going to do it now?

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Like you're delusional.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
And Darryl Moury makes a lot of money, like a
ridiculous sum of money, Like I think, can't these guys
in this in this league, Like they're almost like col
Charlatan's Like I viewed him as these as these carpetbaggers
that I'm into town promising championships and they're just got

(55:05):
no substance and they're not smart, Like oh, Darryl Morey
acts like well, like he's because he goes to tech
summits and talking about well, AI be my sister GM.
I have CROC to be my sister GM. CROC can't

(55:26):
evaluate players right like you. At some point, I'm sure
it will be there, but you're still gonna watch them
and you're gonna strapolate that hard data is only one
tiny piece of the puzzle.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Isn't it also part of the complication too that so
many of these guys, like if everything I just said
earlier about a long term vision is true, if you're
a GM of a franchise, how do you sell that
not just to the fans, but also to an owner
in a true palpable way where you're not going especially
in the modern NBA, Like you can be the coach
of the Year one year and fired the next. You

(56:04):
can win a championship one year coach Bud and then
you're fired the next you know what I mean? Like
you just it happens over and over and over again.
So what you have is this. Hey, the only way
to do this is the right way, which is the
long play. And I would say, right now, with no
invested interest or any feeling one way or the other
other than I love for you for the seventy six ers,

(56:24):
I would say that at some point you're just gonna
have to accept it. The entire not you, but the
seventy six ers fans are gonna have to accept it.
The whole thing's gonna have to be ripped down or
you're just gonna have to start over. And you tried everything,
You tried to do it the right way, you tried
to build it didn't work. Start and start the process
over again. Just try again. It's a tough message to sell,
but it's even tougher when you realize that the GM

(56:47):
and the coach, well, I mean, can they afford to
go through what could be five, six, seven years of
trying to get it right, to build it the right side.
They're not gonna be around.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
No, not gonna be around. And that's like with the
jobs right in football like this when he's owners The
problem is ownership because ownership empowers these people. And you
gotta be like all in with a guy like you
can't have all the guy's job over his head. Like

(57:21):
you're walking into the season with the Giants and you
got a coach and I like Dabo. I mean, I
just never think he's had a guy. His first GM
was horrendous, This GM. I mean he showed you like
he lets Barkley go to the Eagles. I mean, are
you kidding me? And so they intrust this group, these

(57:45):
two guys with Jackson Dart and that pick, Well, what's
gonna happen if if you know, are they gonna do
what's best for Jackson Dart and the future of the franchise?
You know, I mean, it's a question you have to ask.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
It was unprecedented when San Francisco gave John Lynch and
Shanahan long deals. Right at the time, everybody was saying, well,
Shanahan's never done this or John Lynch has never done
this at all, and you just gave them fully guaranteed.
I think it was six years at the time, and
that was so long for a coach and GM on
their first shot together. But I think the statement it
made from San Francisco from ownership was hey, we're a

(58:26):
revolving door and we want to stop it. And we
understand this is going to take time. So by giving
it six years, we are day one committing to a
long term. Like I genuinely think coaches and gms would
need to convince ownership, hey I need six years, I
need seven years, and ownership would have to turn around
and say, yeah, I'm just gonna put blindfolds on and
I'm not even gonna worry about it. I will give

(58:46):
you that amount of time. And the problem is if
you get the higher wrong and you give them that
amount of time, now you're screwed for a generation. But
at some point, I don't know that you can truly
turn around a franchise to turn them into an OKAC
or in Indiana unless you are doing that sort of
thing you're giving. You're giving so much runway that you're saying, hey,
it's like my it's like the stock market. I'm gonna

(59:08):
put it in here and I'm gonna walk away from it,
and I will come back and look at it when
I'm ready to retire. Like It's just I don't know
that you can do it any other way, and I
don't think most owners are patient enough to deal with that.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. On Man right on
and that, and you know that's where these rich head
funds people, they're gonna understand that if you want to
win in sports, it's like, this is what it is.
It's not always just about you know, you got to
invest time and you got to invest you know, you know,

(59:39):
I didn't even understand it because the TV money is
enough to keep you afloat, right, like the TV revenue
should be enough to get get you through hard times
at the gate in your local media market. You know,
we're gonna take quick t o. Uh. We got a
request to for a topic that I want to frow

(01:00:00):
a So we'll take a minute and talk about what's
happening the NIL deals, all right, So we'll dive into
that a little bit. Fellas hanging right here on Fox
Sports Radio, Ah Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargana. So my man, Chucky,

(01:00:30):
south side.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Chuck, Southside, Chuck. I don't know why I had to
do that, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So Chucky says, he goes, let'sten, because I have I
have a request. We always like, oh what it's evolve it.
In fact, one of the things I wish we did
more of was evolved. I like once in a while
we'll do calls. I love it because like you really
kind of kind of really get to know people little

(01:01:00):
bit and you get to get to talk to him.
We love that sort of thing. Uh So, so Chuck says,
this this incredible wild wild West of college ATIL signings
and the twenty and at point five million dollar athlete
budgets kicking in and seeing all these high school kids

(01:01:22):
signing multi multimillion dollar deals before it starts, like Missouri
has already spent eleven million dollars on kids, not for
the up and coming season, but the following season to
avoid the cap. Like it's it's insane. Now, I will
say that good news for Notre Dame fans, because there's

(01:01:45):
a kid in my neck of the woods, Uh, Joey
O'Brien who plays at the Saint Joe's perhaps a really
good school, Joey O'Brien, it's the prep. But anyway, he's
just six' five receiver and defensive back stud and he

(01:02:08):
chose The. Irish, now how Does joey O'Brien not go
To Notre?

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
DAME i mean that you?

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
Do like?

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
That that's you tell me how's? He how's? He how's
he not go?

Speaker 4 (01:02:21):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Right he had offers from, everybody like all the big,
players and uh so it's. FUNNY a friend of mine
told me that his best position is defensive. Back i'm, like,
wow six five, corner.

Speaker 3 (01:02:40):
THAT'S i, mean are we gonna see More Travis? Hunters
do you think as they, like you've got kids coming
up that are they don't want to pigeonhole themselves and
if you can do, that my, god just six.' five i,
was like that's. THAT'S tall, i mean that's. Just big
that is huge.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
For, THAT yeah i. DON'T know, i mean you have
the he have. THE length, i mean he's got. The
length does he have? THE hips i. Don't know, but
anyway the kids would be, really good. Really good and
to Get to, chuck's point what do you think about?
These programs and, you know spend now again it's the

(01:03:21):
twenty point five MILLION dollar kap is just the base
that you. Could spend you could spend more. With nil
the nil has to Go through deloitte to make sure.
It's VALID but i don't see how they're gonna really
police that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
To, You no and THAT'S where i think it'd be.
Really Interesting intel congress steps in and at some point
that's probably. The inevitability the hard part Is that deloitte
has the opportunity to look at it and say this
isn't an appropriate amount of money for what. They're asking
so basically The way deloitte works it is, if you
let's say you sign an nil deal with, You know

(01:04:02):
anthony for his. Favorite restaurant anthony facilitates this for temple,
favorite restaurant but they're going to pay you five million dollars. Per,
tweet well you only have ten. Thousand followers deloyte's going
to turn around and look at that, And, say nope
that that is an inappropriate you're basically paid. To play
that's too much money. For that what that position is
they have the right to look at deals and say
that is not the right amount, of money it's. Too,

(01:04:24):
much well the first time they truly deny that and somebody,
wants to they'll challenge it. In COURT and i still struggle,
to see despite, this settlement how a court's going to
look at that and not think that it's some sort
of a, you know it's some sort of a limiting or,
earning opportunity which isn't necessarily a right that. They HAVE
so i feel like the first time somebody challenges all

(01:04:46):
of this, in court it's going to. Get ugly this
is just. The beginning. To me this is dipping the
toe in the water of what will eventually be a
salary cap in a college. Football system and it's also
interesting now because You have Wisconsin suing University of miami
for a breach of contract deal where they went out
and they took somebody that was already under nil and,

(01:05:07):
you know this is kind. Of weird but to, explain
this what a lot of people don't realize is that
colleges don't want to make any kid. An employee they
just don't want to. Do it so these, nil deals because,
that's complicated it involves insurance and workers compet all. These
things these nil deals, specifically, say hey, You know vanderbilt
is not paying you to. Play football they're paying you

(01:05:27):
to use your name. Image likeness but it also says in,
the contract well understand that, your name image likeness has
no true value to the school if you're not playing.
For them so it's this weird workaround and so this
court case is actually going to be pretty landmark now
that You know wisconsin Is suing, miami, saying hey this is.
Breaching contract we had somebody under contract for, their name. Image,

(01:05:48):
likeness well the player's, argument is, you, know hey you
can still use my name image likeness for. These deals
it's just going to be in a. Different UNIFORM so
i say that to say all of it is so
LEGALLY complic, I know congress and the government has better
things to do than police. College football but until there
is actually, law made every single one of these things

(01:06:09):
that tries to limit somebody is going to be challenged.
In court and there has yet to be a player.
That's LOST the ncaa hasn't won a single one of.
These things so all of this feels like a band
aid on a Like a samurai. Sword wound it just.
Doesn't work.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
You, Know yeah i'm with, you too because you can't
like The minute, deloitte, SAYS no i don't know how
you don't go to court and they. GO wow i,
mean yeah on, the surface it looks like a, Bad
deal but you can't tell a kid not the profit

(01:06:45):
off a. Bad deal everybody's you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:47):
Can't tell you can't tell a business not to write
a bad, Deal too LIKE if i own my own,
cake SHOP and i decided that my cake Shop Wanted
drew aller to be the face of that. Cake shop
who the Hell is deloitte to tell ME that i
can't pay HIM whatever i want to pay him to
make him rise in my? Cake shop LIKE that's i Have,
My GOD like i can DO whatever. I want i
own my, Own business like that Is a i'm not

(01:07:09):
going to dip into POLITICS because i don't, want to
but that is a politically charged conversation in general in
our society of what can you tell a business they
can or? Cannot do but you sure as hell can't tell,
you know The local you you Can't tell Gatorade if
gatorade wants to turn around and pay, You know, Juju Whatever,
juju watkins the female, Basketball superstar if they decide they

(01:07:32):
want to pay her forty million dollars for, one tweet
who's delight to tell her that they tell them they can't?

Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Do that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Like that that's just way outside the spectrum of anything.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
That's, legal, yeah yeah so, You know chuck, Brings up
but it's just it's such a. Fascinating, World man it's
such a. FASCINATING world i don't KNOW how i mean
we have a theory of how it shakes out that
line with, you, know consolidation, you know the power five into,

(01:08:01):
two conferences, you know each LIKE an NFC, to afc
that sort.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
Of thing but and unionizations like eventually, like yoh this
is this. Is inevitable there's going to be a collective
bargaining agreement which requires unionization of college, football players and
then they'll have to decide are they unionizing all college
athletes or just. College football and they're separating college football from,
college basketball like all of. These things the problem is
nobody wants to actually rip the band aid off and fix.

(01:08:31):
The issue everybody wants to protect what, they WANT and
i don't think college sports as we know it can.
Be protected so at, some point you just got to
be honest, With EVERYBODY like i don't know if anyone
listening has ever sat down and realized that they're in
a year where they owe the irs a bunch OF money, i, Have,
right like that's the glory of being an independent contractor

(01:08:51):
from much of. My life when, that happens all you
can do is, be, like well this is just one
of the suckiest days of. My life let's figure. IT
out i think that that's ultimately as painful as it
is to go through that whole process and, Be, like
okay well my life looks a little different for the
next couple. OF years i just think that at some point,
that's why like somebody has to, sit down be the
grown up in the room, And say i'm sorry if

(01:09:13):
this hurts, Your feelings, i'm sorry if this costs you,
Your scholarship, i'm sorry if this to cost to school millions.
Of dollars this is the only way it's gonna. Get
done let's just get it done and then we can
all deal with what the future of college sports looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
After. That, YEAH no, i again, you're right because at
some point somebody's got to deal. With it, right now
kids are free agents twice. A year the portal's open twice.
A year what could that be where you can leave

(01:09:51):
and get better deals twice. A year i was talking
to a friend of mine as, a coach and, he's,
like ude, he goes, you know have no. An idea,
he's like we sweat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
It out.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Like it's one thing where you're, you're, thinking oh it's
all about landing, a player but it's also about these dudes,
that well these kids will call up, and, go YEAH
well i, GOT it i got. An offer and, you
know you're not dealing with ages that you deal with years.
AND all a lot of these kids are being wrepped

(01:10:28):
by these, other kids like that's a whole. Other thing
and so there's fake offers and you got to disseminate
what's real what's. Not real and, you're praying, YOU'RE like
i got, you know fifteen thousand dollars left in. The
budget i'm praying that, you know my left tackle doesn't
come to me AND say i got an offer because

(01:10:51):
there's no money to. Keep them and then then what
happens then to my quarterback and my, running back and,
you know it's it's. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
My entertainment attorney used to always say that you know
you've got a good deal when everybody involved. Is unhappy
it's just a. Little unhappy if everybody involved is a,
little unhappy you probably got the. Fairest outcome this is
one of the situations where, you're right coaches can't live in,
this situation so they got to figure. It out and in,
that process you're gonna be looking at. Roster limits you're

(01:11:22):
gonna be looking at. Lost scholarships you're gonna be looking
at people all over the place that are losing their
opportunity for. Free education these things are. Gonna happen players
are going to have to get hit a, Little bit
coaches are gonna have to get hit a, little bit
and everybody's gonna scream how wildly unfair. It is but
we can either do that and get, it right or
we can keep incrementally trying to change and change and change,

(01:11:44):
and change and that just wears everybody, Out out like
it just THIS is i think people get as exhausted
by this as they do every time, we hear, you
know the words lockout or hold out in in, professional
sports where inevitably fans just roll. Their eyes LIKE the
wnba the End, in october they're they're gonna be collectively
bargaining a new labor agreement between the league and. THE

(01:12:06):
players i don't think it's gonna, Be pretty and if it's,
not pretty that's really bad for. The sport it's just
epically bad for. The sport but they're gonna have to
go through it to get to whatever they think common ground.
LOOKS like i just think college football needs to just
accept the fact that that's where things like if you're
sitting here, purist saying well that's, you know they get,
free scholarship all these things like your, argument's dead you lost.

(01:12:30):
That case, it's over so just accept the loss and now.
Move ON and i think the entire college, football community
players and coaches need a grown up to sit in
in the room, and, say hey so what now what
whatever it used, TO be i, don't care what is
it actually gonna be for the next fifty years AND
that i think that's gonna TAKE law i think that's
gonna take, law makers it's gonna, take mediation it's gonna

(01:12:52):
take attorneys all over, the place and it's gonna look
so different in three or. Four YEARS like i would rather, see,
them honestly see all college sports shut down for six
months while they negotiate it and get it figured out
so that we actually have, a future rather than do
what we're, doing now which is just, you know that's,
not fair that's, not fair that's. Not fair, this changes This,
changes god just rip it, all apart change it and then. Restart.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
It, YEAH yeah i got to get to the player
piece of, IT too i, really do because the Amount,
OF like i don't know if it's jealousy. Or whatever
people begrudging these kids' money is. JUST wrong i just
got to addressing for. A second where the fellas hanging

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Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
It's a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
Of. Work now it's Funny as i'm doing, THE show
i look outside my office DOOR and i see, my son,
who's fifteen who is getting ready to go to. Football
practice Now, it's, june right school just let out two,

(01:14:47):
weeks ago And, it's saturday and they have football practice
at seven, point thirty like On a. Saturday morning that's a.
High school this is a lot. Of work like, these

(01:15:09):
kids these high school kids are putting in a Ton Of,
it's june it's not camp. Hasn't started they call these, things,
workouts right involuntary, or whatever how they. Do whatever you
have to be at. These workouts you've got to be
able to. Work out you have to do. These workouts
and these. Are practices they're called workouts just so they

(01:15:33):
don't get, you know they fall under the realm of the.
Spring workout these are full fledged two and a half.
HOUR practices, i mean these kids, Are working they're, Earning
there they're earning. Their keep there's money evolved when it
comes to college sports and high. SCHOOL sports, i mean

(01:15:59):
it's real fit these.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
KIDS need i just literally give me any other industry
where people openly root against kids to. Make money it
doesn't like it just doesn't make sense. TO me I
mean i've said this. For years when everybody sits down and,

(01:16:21):
tells you oh, my god, YOU know i can't believe
that these kids are gonna go. Make money nobody sits there, and,
wonders man how much education Did justin. Timberlake Get, like no, it's,
like hey go get yours like. We see we see,
music people we, see actors we see, content creators all
out there making money off of their skill set as

(01:16:43):
soon as they're, humanly, possible like and nobody faults. For
it and you know This is i've made this argument
with you a. MILLION times i will always die in
the hill of, you know why is it that you
can be a music kid and get a full scholarship
to a school and then also turn around and teach
lessons and make money and use that school as part
of the leveraged opportunity to make cash while you're on.

(01:17:05):
Full scholarship but we don't let the basketball players. Do
that like there Was a big ten school that offered
me a full ride as, a musician AND then i
would have gotten the best instructors in the world at,
THAT school i would have gotten the best, practice FACILITIES
and i would have been able to use their school
on my resume as a reason to get better auditions
and get teaching jobs right out of the Gate while
i'm still. In school and nobody cares. About that but

(01:17:26):
when it becomes a, basketball player, it's, like, well, no,
no no you can't. Do that, you know it Just
doesn't none of this concept makes, Any, sense like you
can be, a kid you can be an engineering kid
that's on a full scholarship and then make side money
tutoring and. Nobody CARES like, i just what is at
the end of, the day other than the fact that

(01:17:47):
people just like things the way that they, like things
what is the reason that the world seems to not
want to let kids get paid based on the skill
set that. They, have like if, you're talented it's something good,
at something and you work your ass, off something you
should be allowed to make money.

Speaker 7 (01:18:02):
DOING it i don't think that's a. Hot, Take no
and by, the way, it's work. It's work you're playing.
Him out you can't get.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
A job like my friend of, Mine, says hey, when's
Uh little ant want to get?

Speaker 4 (01:18:20):
A job.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Summer job, i'm Like little ant has a. Summer job
He spends he spends twice, you know to. A day's
you guys practice every day again before camp. Even begins his,
PRACTICE wherever i guess they get together four times a
week and then, he lifts, you know. Every day he

(01:18:44):
works out every day and Then come july they're gonna
be the start. Training camp that's'll be two. A day's
when's you kids supposed to get. A, JOB.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
Yeah, I mean i, Mean, SERIOUS no i mean as
a kid that practiced the violin eight hours a day my,
whole life you, go, like yeah like when when if
you are putting in the work to get to the
one percent of the, one percent it's just it's A
different you're living in a. Different sphere you're living in
a total, Different world like your reality is. Totally different

(01:19:18):
and if you have a chance to make money off,
of that especially knowing how many of these kids that
play college ball somewhere are never going to play in, The,
pros like why are we trying to deny them their
opportunity over and over and. Over again don't use the
scholarship as real income because they give scholarships. To everybody
that just doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
MAKE sense i so thank you because it bugs ME
and i hear it all. The time people begrudge, these
Kids and, I'M like i. SEE it, i mean some
of these elite kids with the hours, and hours it's
amazing what. They do where the fellas hanging out? Right
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Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
You're Listening To Fox Sports.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Radio, radio well, good morning, good morning good, mo morning,
good morning happy Happy Happy Fox, Sports Saturday Jason Fitz
anthony gargano hanging out From The fox sports. Radio, STUDIOS
uh fitzi are you a? Sure guy are You a

(01:20:20):
are you? A?

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
Beachman, NO yeah I mean i like being around the
beach for a. Little bit, but, LIKE yeah I mean i.

Speaker 4 (01:20:29):
DO that i.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Knew it you're not A beach you're not a, beach guy,
All Right yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:20:33):
I'M not i don't, lounge, Well brother so like the
concept to be at, The BEACH like i always think
it's gonna, be great AND then i get there for
like a few Minutes and i'm bored out of. MY
mind I just i, Need activity i'll. ADMIT it i.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
NEED activity i can totally see. You fidgeting you're a.
Fidget YEAH like i.

Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
Make it like ten, fifteen minutes And then, i'm like
what are? We doing we did we bring? Into games
like what are? We are we are we? Playing something
like is there something going on?

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Like?

Speaker 3 (01:20:57):
That Yeah or i'm in the water like jump around
for for no, good reason just BECAUSE like i FEEL
like i got to.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
Do something oh. THAT'S awesome i. Knew it, your energizer
bunny all, The way I'm the i'm. The opposite, I'm
like i'm like, a bear like forget, about it and
IF's and if, there's service like, YOU know i can
get a Gen and Tonic that i'm even worth.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
SETTLED in i can just give you a book And
then i'm good. FOR hours i feel this like, You
know anthony on the beach With the Gin, and tonic
like this is this is so. Wildly on branton just,
sitting back got a little bit of the vibe Of
like i'm. ENJOYING this i got the family, around him
everybody's having a, good time like, you know the boys

(01:21:44):
are sort of rough house and over on. The sand
anthony's got his toes in the sand reading a book
and he's got this like smile on his face with
a little bit of a don't bother, me vibe but
Also like i'm in a really good. Spot vibe i'm
over like jumping up and down in, the ocean getting
ocean water In My penia colada that has two umbrellas
in it and. Extra cherries while i, Jump around, i'm,
like whoa look? At whoa there we go like there's

(01:22:06):
this is this is this completely tracks for. This show
it tracks that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Is awesome Oh, my god you're, spot. OFF brother i totally,
see you totally see you. Doing that oh. That's great were,
you got like will you make any, you know like
what vacation will?

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
You go.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
I'm curious i'm curious, about like will you do? Any,
VACATION yeah i.

Speaker 3 (01:22:29):
MEAN no i think this every year is sort. OF
different i like to go into different like summers with,
different approaches AND so i decided this, this summer the
approach was Gonna be i'm gonna go to a bunch.
Of concerts i'm gonna like stay sort, of local just
keep my head down and just sort of relax a
little bit, without travel, because travel to me is either

(01:22:50):
the best or IT'S really i travel over so many
years of my life, at work You know I've got
i've sort of SORT of i went back. AND forth,
i think, You know i've got a couple of bucket
LIST places i want to go. NEXT year I was
i was really infatuated with the concept of Going to italy,
this YEAR but i had some people tell me it
wasn't like it was going to be a very busy
year because Of something i'm not smart enough. To UNDERSTAND

(01:23:11):
so i was, just, Like ah i'll wait, a year so,
YOU know i think. Next year, Next year Hawaii and
italy are on. The list those are like the two
Buckets places i've been. Waiting for so. That's great, you
know right after, The draft i'm gonna Go. To hawaii
have made, that decision and then later in The summer,
i'll go, You know I'll Pick anthony gargano's brain and
figure out the right way. To go i've Been, TO
italy i, don't know three or four times, for Work

(01:23:33):
but i'm gonna go. For pleasure so, you Know that's
those are two bucket. List THINGS so i Decided knowing
i'm going to accomplish two of those. Next year this
is the year of keep, it simple keep, it local
keep my, head, down enjoy, you know save a little
bit and instead spend that time and and fun money
go into concerts. And things what? About you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
That's awesome hawaii where you're gonna got one of my.
FAVORITE Spots i kawhi is one of my favorite spots in.
The WORLD but i can't see You in kwai because it's.

Speaker 4 (01:24:04):
So.

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Remote, Yeah no i've never Been.

Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
With, maui yeah that's.

Speaker 3 (01:24:09):
My first it's my. First trip it's the only state
LEFT that i haven't, been To so i'm gonna cross
it off. The list, But, Yeah maui i'm GOING like
i am the worst in the sense that EVEN when i,
was traveling, you know, for music the number of times people, are,
like oh don't go, do this. It's touristy i'm the
guy that says it's touristy for. A reason SO LIKE
i i am all in on doing Every cliche so,

(01:24:32):
like whale, you know going to see like the dolphins
and whales. And Whatever like i've got like a laundry list. Of,
thing yeah whale watching, that's yeah while watching the whole
like rented jeep and drive through, An, area, Like yeah
i'm gonna do all of The cliche. Maui things and,
to me not doing a cliche thing is kind of

(01:24:52):
like Going To new york for the first time and
deciding you're gonna Skip The Empire state building And the
Statue of liberty because you don't want to do the. Cliche,
stuff EVERYBODY e i want to. GO right i want
to hit singles the FIRST time i visit someplace, for
fun and then look for home runs the.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Second time smart that's the way to, do. IT man.
I agree. I agree you have. To go like if
you Go to rome and you've never been To The,
kyle sam you got to. See it she's got to.
SAY it, i mean, YOU know, i mean you don't
need to take selfies and do all, that stuff just
but you got to. See it it's you have to

(01:25:28):
look at it and let it develop you because it
is a. Big deal there's a reason why it's, been there,
you know two. Thousand Years so i'm, With you i'm.
With you we. Are going we have there's a Town
in italy that we love and. It's bizarre so, you

(01:25:50):
know because of traveling and, everything else we have all
these points and it's actually cheaper to go to this
Town in pulia that we love, to eat to sleep
and and eat and everything than it is to go
to our local Seashore In. New Jersey h that's that's

(01:26:13):
take care of because. Of, points right so there's four
of us the floods take.

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Care of.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
But. IT'S cheaper, i looked we looked at it like
we're gonna go down the shore for a week and.
Go there it's. Markedly, cheaper, like yeah it's far and
you gotta. Do it but when you take the, flight
out it's not. Even close and so we're gonna we're
gonna go to this town we Love. Called yesterday it's

(01:26:43):
it's it, sounds stupid but it's but it's. The truth
there's a peninsula that juts Into The. Adriac sea it's
Called The. Gargano peninsula oh, that's, Amazing right so, you
know how do we? Not go so, years ago, like
whatever my WIFE and i went and we like fell

(01:27:05):
in love with. This town and the town's Called. Vi
estay it's In, northern pulia and so we took the
kids a couple of. Years ago the kids. Freaked out, they're,
like cause, you know you're walking around our, names, Everywhere
right like You see gargatto And ask gargatto, of that and, you're,
like well. It's bizarre and the people there when you
show them, your NAME like i show my passport, or whatever, they're,

(01:27:29):
Like wow, you're like we've never Bet. A garganto and
all really is is you know how many hundreds and
hundreds of years ago whoever whatever my real last name
is was from that region and they left to go
to another region and That's, in naples and they Were

(01:27:53):
called gargato because that's where they. Came from, so reality
we don't even know where our last.

Speaker 4 (01:27:59):
Name, IS.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
Look i full transparency to. OUR audience I text anthony
like a couple of weeks AGO because i was sitting
at a, like fancy just fancy farm to Table restaurant
connecticutte that everybody rages about and raves about and. They
should it was. Absolutely was it. Was insane it was
the food was. Just AMAZING and i can't even remember

(01:28:24):
the Name of, i'm terrible but it was one of
those trendy places everybody, goes to but in like a
little town That's Very. New england but all of, the
pasta everything is. Very handmade all, the breads all, the
pastas every single thing that they do they make in
house every. Single day AND when i sat down and
looked at, the menu it said at the bottom like
the name of the chef and the executive chef in

(01:28:44):
the propriety of, the restaurant and the last Name. Was
GARGANO so I text ANTHONY and, I said i'm, CONVINCED that,
i mean it has to BE like I just i've
decided that every single person with the last Name of
gargano was actually at your house For, like thanksgiving In For,
christmas eve and that. Includes family so, you know it's
just everybody must be related with the. Last, NAME yes
I felt i laughed at MYSELF as i sent you,

(01:29:06):
the TEXT but i had TO because i, was like
this is too small a world to be At an
italian Restaurant in connecticut and my co host name is.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
ON it I love i. LOVE it i. Love it
you gotta Come For christmas eve next year without. A doubt.
You gotta you just gotta. MAKE it, i yeah official
invite to so you know is. Right now so you
are officially Invited To. Christmas eve you got to. Come
in uh so let let's let me get to this

(01:29:33):
because because YOU and i could talk about the vacations.

Speaker 4 (01:29:36):
Whole.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Day uh, you know every year, everybody Does Like pete
prisco came out with the HUNDRED greatest. Nfl, players today
they rankings, AND listen i get it slow period of
time and we all like to.

Speaker 4 (01:29:53):
DO it.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
I always think you need to rank by position and
not ranked the toll hels, so stupid but it bugs
ME ranking nfl players won the one hundred without grouping
them in. THE position.

Speaker 3 (01:30:10):
I would agree, with, that like how do you actually.

Speaker 4 (01:30:14):
Do a?

Speaker 3 (01:30:15):
Ranking properly while because it's almost like great not, A
curve like if you are the best safety IN, the
nfl you are not as important as the thirteenth best
quarterback IN. The nfl so like that's just a that's that's,
that's difficult, you know right?

Speaker 2 (01:30:33):
RIGHT now i. Thought that, you, KNOW again i don't
want to be stupid and silly, bit Petty but, I'M
like i can't deal with the. TOTAL rank, i mean
it feels like we react to these rankings like And
in philadelphia we're highly Acute To chris simm's right, quarterback

(01:30:56):
rankings and people freak Out Where jalen hurts is ranked as,
A QUARTERBACK and i. Don't understand why can you explain that?
TO me.

Speaker 3 (01:31:11):
I think people freak out On Where jalen hurts is
because it's like we're so obsessed with quarterbacks being a
certain like the way they throw the. Ball WHATEVER like
i think we were obsessed with video, game Quarterbacking And
jalen hurts. Is not when you watch, him play it

(01:31:32):
doesn't always look the same as it does from A
HOMES but i think that we've forgotten that there are
different styles, of fighter and, SO frankly i Think that
hurts is chronically undervalued most of. The time but then
The anti hurts crowd wants to come in, and, say
well he's just a. Game manager and they say he's
just a game manager because he's on a team with
the great offensive line that at times can be a

(01:31:55):
boring offense to some that are just watching, red zone.
You KNOW so i think that it's just part of,
the perceptions like we've decided that a great quarterback has
to Play like mahomes where they run around to make
these crazy throws and that's the crux of. Their offense
not a guy that, you know can plow into the
offensive line and get, one YARD which i think is

(01:32:15):
Minimizing What jalen. Hurts does i'm just giving the ARGUMENT
that i think people make that Are Anti.

Speaker 2 (01:32:19):
Jalen.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Hurts.

Speaker 2 (01:32:20):
Yeah yeah and, you know the, other, thing too would
kind of, bugs me, is like you get, the Well
What's justin? HERBERT won, i, don't like here's. The thing
if you just Look At, Justin Herbert justin herbert is.
Immensely talented.

Speaker 3 (01:32:40):
He's a.

Speaker 2 (01:32:41):
Terrific Quarterback justin herbert can't help how his who was
his Coach before harball and how that thing was. Put together,
LIKE honestly i hear get on again the uh we'll
do It in philadelphia because we're, highly parochial and try

(01:33:02):
to talk about How great, hurts is which again. He
is herbert's a different. Style QUARTERBACK and i hate that,
argument too, which, is well they haven't want he isn't. Want, anything,
yeah well, you know because the sport is what, it
is and you need, great coaching and you need, a
plan and you need a. Whole thing, you know Doesn't

(01:33:24):
Make justin herbert a Bad quarterbacks herberts and howl of
a quarterback that goes back to that rookie year when
he comes in and just to make, the playoffs remember
the game Against. The RAIDERS.

Speaker 3 (01:33:37):
But, I Mean justin herbert could could.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Spit, It man he's a great he's got a, great
arm all that stuff and how. We crown there needs
to be a, new, way too rank to talk. About
quarterbacks i'm trying to figure it out because it's. Bugging me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:58):
The hard part is. You're right the hard part is
that the way people consume the, game now so much
of it is red zone and so much of it is, box,
score right and, fantasy football all of. These things so
what we do is we decide somebody's great because they're

(01:34:21):
a fantasy quarterback that scores a whole boatload, of points,
you know or somebody is great because they make some
red zone plays they get, picked up and very little
time is actually spent watching full. Games anymore so it's
a little LIKE the nba in that sense where you're
getting sort of a bastardized version of. What happens so
now narratives, take over Like The justin herbert is. Overrated narrative,
TO me i hear it all the Time because I'm a,

(01:34:43):
raiders fan so, YOU know i listen To fellow raiders
fans all the time tell Me That justin herbert's not all,
that great TO WHICH i, i mean my immediate counter to, that, is,
okay well if you had the choice for the next,
five years if you have the choice this year Of
Having justin herbert as your Quarterback Or, gino smith who would.
YOU take i think we all know the answer to
That Is, justin, Herbert right so the fans that are

(01:35:03):
oftentimes Saying That justin herbert is overrated are the same
fans that would gladly trade their quarterback straight up, for
him you KNOW what. I mean so it's just a
it's a weird fan narrative on that because he hasn't.
Won anything that's tough. For me i'll always die on
the hill that you cannot judge wins and losses by

(01:35:23):
in a team sport. To individuals you you. Just, can't
now if one individual consistently melts down all, the time
maybe it can be part of the. Nuanced conversation but
if you really look at the overall, successful player you
have to factor in what they have, around them who,
their coaches who their offensive, coordinator is what's the system,
look like where their. SKILLS maximized, i mean it's just

(01:35:44):
it's making sweeping GENERALIZATIONS that i don't think you can.
Necessarily make like if you have the best chef in,
the world but you have the worst, restaurant manager do you?
Even know you KNOW what. I mean so it's like
we just suddenly applied to, All, sports well how many
championships if, you want which is just in my in,
my opinion how many championships have? You won is really

(01:36:04):
asinine argument to make to any individual player in a
team school in a. Team sports so now it's it's
this overriding Well justin herbert's overrated narrative that it just
it just doesn't make any sense. To Me justin herbert
is in the category of quarterbacks that is very very,
very GOOD and i ain't nothing wrong. With, that like
there are a few quarterbacks that are epic in. The
league there are a few quarterbacks that are very very,

(01:36:26):
very good and then there's a bunch of quarterbacks that
will win you some games and lose you. Some GAMES
and i just trying to trying to rank one above,
the other, to me makes way less sense than just
turning it into shelves at, a bar like, top shelf,
mid shelf. Lower, shelf well, you know like what's going
to be your happy? Hour drink like that's that's.

Speaker 2 (01:36:44):
More accurate, you're right, the shelf the, Bar life, You're
right you're that's the way you should. Do it it should. Be,
shelves now if.

Speaker 3 (01:36:54):
You walked in with ten of your buddies into a bar,
and said what's the, best vodka you can have this
argument between vodka snobs about whether it's this brand or,
that brand. Like whiskey, right now it's, The, worst, like
well you walk into any bar with the whiskey head
and they're looking at the shelf for like fifteen minutes because, they're,
LIKE well, i mean do they have this? Or that
they're like do they have? Plantings back, they're like that's what, everybody's.

(01:37:16):
Doing right at some point we just have to admit
that if you're if you're super into, these things, then
Lamar Then josh Allen and patrick mahomes like they're on
this shelf, over here and we can debate whether Or
Not justin herbert belongs on the shelf right, below that
Or Is Justin. HERBERT'S tito's i, don't know but like
trying to turn it in suddenly That, justin herbert's, You

(01:37:36):
Know cherry burnett's doesn't make any. Damn sense He's Not.

Speaker 2 (01:37:39):
Cherry Burnett's, it's Titos which cherry is that A Going.

Speaker 3 (01:37:47):
Cherry burnettes is. Not, good, No NO but i used
to like that like, pop off, you know like if you,
if look there's a group of quarterbacks out there that
are essentially vodka in a, plastic bottle right like, you
know it's it's gonna get the, Job done it's gonna get,
you droves but it's certainly not gonna, feel good and
you're gonna feel terribout and bull about it the. Day
after like you might have a, good night you might

(01:38:08):
have a. Terrible night there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks that.
Are that BUT like i think there's a there's probably
a handful of quarterbacks that are Somewhere between Tito's and.
Kettle one they're all, they're fine. They're good everybody's happy.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
With it.

Speaker 3 (01:38:20):
You know it just doesn't need to be more complicated. Than, that,
Yeah dude i'm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
With you i'm with you. All right time to, be bold,
All RIGHT and i want. Five thoughts we'll go back
and forth on them for the upcoming season because we've
got to fit IN. Our NFL so i want, you
to off the top of, your head, right down five

(01:38:46):
bold thoughts ON the. Nfl, season, LIKE honestly, i mean
how Are? The LIONS and i. LOVE that i think
they got screwed last year by injury. Tough Luck but
i'm worried About the Lions losing Frank. RAG now i

(01:39:07):
think it is a. Huge one you got the two
coordinators And, rag now that's a lot. To OVERCOME so
i want five thoughts. From you, All right, i'm ready,
all right where the fella is hanging Right Here Fox. Sports,
Radio fellas Jason Fitz anthony garganto hanging out with you

(01:39:29):
guys every week right Here On Fox. Sports radio so
we're counting down TO the nfl because you know we'll
get back to. The finals we started with. The finals
first two hours of the show predominantly done On, THE
patriots okc AND, the nba which is a lot. Of
fun and, then uh we'll Get to we'll go back

(01:39:50):
to that. Next Hour but i'm gonna talk some. Football,
MAN uh i gave. YOU five i want your. Five
thoughts knowing it gets, around teams gets. Around players like
one of the examples Is that i'm really concerned About,
the LIONS and i to SHAME because i Think the

(01:40:11):
lions got screwed last year because of their health and
like they should have been in the IN The nfc
championship game Against. The eagles it would have been fun,
to see and, you know injuries rob them. Of that
so give me your thought, Number. One fitzie i'll.

Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Stick there for. A second because you Mentioned, THE lions
i would argue that THE Entire nfc north while still
going to be, VERY good i. GET it i don't
THINK The nfc north has a draw that makes me
feel great. About it and there's a good yeah but
for every one of, these TEAMS because i would look

(01:40:53):
At the lions, and, say, okay yeah but you lost
ragnow and now you've lost two fists of your. Offensive
line you're replacing both coordinators like whatever, that means and
a bunch of. Position coaches so there's a lot of.
THINGS there i think the yeah butt Of the vikings
where we're just PRESUMING that jj McCarthy steps in and,
is great even though you know he didn't play it all.

(01:41:14):
Last year he's essentially. A rookie he lost a lot
of weight after. The procedure they're not sure what any
of that's going to look like on his knee that
he had two. Procedures ON so i think that's a
pretty reasonable reason to be concerned if you keep going
through the rest of. The, division chicago we're just presuming
everything works Out With, ben johnson first time. Head coach
that's not always. The CASE like, I look i think

(01:41:35):
he's a home. Run higher we all think he's a home.
Run higher But. MY god, i mean there's enough variables
with that alone that it makes me a little uncomfortable With,
where chicago even though they're, a hot hot team in,
everybody's mind they were a hot team. Last year and
if You're, the packers, YOU know, i mean there was
some up and down last Year With, jordan LOVE and

(01:41:56):
i Think the packers are probably the most stable of
all of the teams IN. The, NFC no i just
this presumption they have three teams win more than. Eleven
Games the packers, won eleven and then you Know the,
Minnesota fourteen. DETROIT fifteen i think this whole division could
be in for a. Step back and it doesn't mean
they're not. Very good it's just when you have to
figure these. THINGS out i just wouldn't be surprised To

(01:42:16):
See detroit minnesota following the ten eleven win Category green
bay ten. Eleven wins that's a much different view on
where this. Division, is then let's say a lot of
people have. It now i'm CONCERNED The nfc north there
is not as dominant as people want it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
To. BE yeah i think it's a, great point and
it's interesting because when you look, at it, you're right
everybody's got. The flaw they all had the. MAJOR flaw,
i mean, We'll see like, you, know again McCarthy could
be great and that takes care of. That flaw and

(01:42:51):
you keep going down, the list and you go, all
RIGHT because i agree. With you, you know everybody takes you.
For Granted ben johnson's a home. Run higher. We'll see
and because you got a lot of work to Do
with caleb and, You, know packers they could be.

Speaker 3 (01:43:08):
Really good.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
There's A chance minnesota. Same THING and i just don't.
Know how One of detroit's great gifts of last year
WAS their. O line i thought they And the eagles
had THE best o line IN, the nfc and that that,
run game it. Makes GoF GoF. Can't win if he's

(01:43:33):
under the, rest constantly he. Can't, Win.

Speaker 3 (01:43:37):
YEAH and I think i'm willing to die on the
hill of replacing important offensive line pieces is something that
you shouldn't take. FOR granted I know i said the
same thing a year ago right now About, the eagles
and that was a big concern. FOR me i will
show that math and present that math every, single time
even if my answer. Is wrong the math, of man

(01:43:59):
there's some change of the offensive line is significant, To
ME so I will i will stand by that take,
all day, every day and that means things get a.
Little complicated it's just all the way across, the BOARD
The nfc north has a chance to be a lot
more COMPLICATED than i think people want to.

Speaker 2 (01:44:16):
Make, it, YEAH yeah i. Like it, it's good. All
right thought. Number, two.

Speaker 3 (01:44:24):
Uh The washington commanders are going to take a step,
Back also and it doesn't mean that they're not. Very
good IT'S just i don't think you can replicate some
of the way that all, went, Down, right like so
if you if you look at some of the. Weird
ANALYTICS so i pulled it back up here to MAKE
sure i don't get this. Right Wrong the commanders converted

(01:44:48):
eighty seven percent of their, fourth downs which is an, alarming,
rate right and twenty three point seven percent of their
points were scored. On drives it included a successful fourth.
Down conversion that's the fifth highest percentage. This CENTURY so
i think when it's just a Reminder that washington was
nine and four last year in one, score, games man

(01:45:09):
that's tough. To replicate they played so far ahead of
their Skis Because jaden daniels is HIM and i respect
the hell out. Of that, BUT man, i look Even
if washington only wins ten Games like washington feels to
me a little bit like where we Were, with houston where, it,
Was man houston's about to take this, Next leap they're
gonna be in the same category As, the chiefs and
it turned out that that didn't happen. LAST year i

(01:45:30):
Think the commanders are still a playoff, football TEAM but
i think anointing them too quickly to be able to
run it back the way they did last year. Forgets it.
Last year better to be lucky, than good but this
team also had the, fifth heaviest fifth. Healthiest team we
need to look at, GAMES loss i mean across. THE
board a lot of things broke right For the commanders,
last YEAR and i don't know that you can count

(01:45:52):
on that again.

Speaker 2 (01:45:53):
This YEAR so i think they take a small. STEP
back i think it's. Fair now i'm A huge. DANIELS
like i Don't think daniels is. STROUD like i don't
think see we still see a struggle, let YEAR which
i think was due to his. OLD line I think

(01:46:15):
washington's old line is, pretty intact. PRETTY good i don't
think he struggles now you're right, about like, you know
when the, game hit the one dude get Against, the bears,
you know jaring with the fans and the, whole thing and,
you know so there has to be some sort. Of
REGRESSION but, I mean i. DON'T know i think they're still.

Speaker 3 (01:46:40):
Pretty, GOOD no i definitely think they're still. PRETTY good
i know you're, saying, that, yeah, yeah, Yeah NO and
i do want to be clear on that because it
Feels like i'm being a Hater and i'm. TRULY not
i just, you know it feels like the hype train
is is asking still yet even more work to be
Done by Jade, and daniels and he's certainly capable. Of it,

(01:47:02):
BUT man i. DON'T know I just i think this
skuy isn't falling if they turn out to be also
a ten win team. This year but it may feel
like this sky is falling when you go through.

Speaker 2 (01:47:12):
That process so we all agree that there's a possibility. Of,
regression yeah because the fact that they get new guy
like You, got tonsol You, got debo you Get, Her,
big like is there a way does? That alone, you

(01:47:35):
know does that how what does that do to?

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
THE formula, I MEAN tunsol i think is probably. PRETTY
significant i, Don't. KNOW deebo i don't know if you've
seen the videos on. Social Media and i'm certainly not
here to to pick apart social media uh social media,
practice videos but it was pretty jarring To see, deebo look,
you know maybe looked a little thick and a little

(01:47:58):
slow on some of, that STUFF AND i i just
looked at, That, THOUGHT man i don't know it's gonna.
BE interesting I just i want to. SEE it i
just want to, see it, you know me and my
my stupid proof, OF concept, i like, give me, give
me just give me the first month of the season
to fall in Love with. Washington again until, THAT happens
i just WANT to i want to press pause on
it a.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
Little, bit, yeah, YEAH listen i think. IT'S fair. I
do i don't read. IN that i can't Read into
june mini camps on what a player's yeah you KNOW what. I,
MEAN yeah, I mean i. Don't know i'm not saying
that their offense is going, to be, you, know INCREDIBLE
but I mean. I'm not i'm listening, to that. All right.

(01:48:42):
NUMBER three.

Speaker 3 (01:48:44):
I know i've said this to, you before but big
thought Here the steelers will start fast and then fall
apart at.

Speaker 2 (01:48:49):
The END SO i i.

Speaker 3 (01:48:51):
Do believe i'm going to continue to. SAY this i
believe this will become the first losing Season. FOR tomlin
I don't i Don't Trust. AARON rodgers i think when
you look at the, Numbers Again, frank, swabat yeah who
always says if you're looking at quarterbacks that have THROWN
for x amount of yards and had a quarterback rating,
over whatever. Seventy six he espoused us all. The time

(01:49:13):
the only name that's done It is brady over and
over and over and over and. Over again and we
use the far Season in minnesota as the great comp, of,
like yeah this could. BE that i just think you're
asking to pay your mortgage with scratch off. LOTTERY tickets
i don't think. It'll happen the beginning of the. Schedules
soft the back end of the schedule is. REALLY tough
i Think the steelers, start hot everybody buys in, too

(01:49:33):
much then they, fall apart and so Unfortunately for, STEELERS
fans i think this is finally the moment that the
rubber meets the road on a, disappointing season, because frankly
it's hard not to be disappointed when you have a name.
You like but this kind of goes back TO our,
nba conversation like that name doesn't necessarily equate to what
everybody thinks it does.

Speaker 2 (01:49:53):
To, me, YEAH yeah i. HEAR you I mean i'm, Rooting,
Otherwise like i'd love to see that story, Be real
but last week we went over. THE schedule i don't
see how in the world it can. Be real that. Schedule's.
BRUTAL yeah i was trying to get to whatever, it

(01:50:15):
was NINE and i couldn't get. To nine that's why
YOU should i would you have it six? Or? Seven?
Seven yuh?

Speaker 3 (01:50:23):
OR no I think i might've got seven OR eight.
I think, but yeah they'll be right on the edge and,
LOOKS again i don't think that means this. GUY'S falling
i won't be yelling and screaming about any of that when,
it happens if, it happens because you know that was
sort of.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
My, Expectation, Yeah no i'm, with you, all right let's
say quick to we'll come. Right back we get thoughts
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Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
WORKS today i saw someone tweet and by by, the
way he Played That, john williams the composer That. Wrote Jaws,
john williams for anyone that doesn't who also Wrote Like
star Wars, and superman, et like he'll go down as
the greatest movie composer of. All time and, you know
one of the Great honors i've ever had is getting to.

(01:53:10):
Hang out and he conducted SOMETHING that i wrote a
long TIME or i orchestrated a long. Time ago but
he also stole. THAT theme i will tell any classical
like the classical music nerd go back and Listen Is
Divorzac's New World symphony symphony starts with the same. Dud
dud it's. In there so, You know i'm Just Saying
john williams. Stole IT but i saw someone tweet the. Other, day,

(01:53:30):
yeah well, YOU know, i borrowed, let's. Say borrowed nothing's original,
in music so. Borrowed IT but i saw someone tweet
the other Day that jaws might be the most influential movie.
Ever MADE and i laughed, at first AND then i thought.
ABOUT it i, was like, you know that might, be
right and the point it might Have Been klay travis
that tweeted. It out but the point is every single
person that ever gets in the water Thinks. The jaws

(01:53:53):
like it's kind of crazy that that one movie created
this storm of you just the concept of him on
the Beach and i'm not Safe because i'm in, the
ocean all from that one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:04):
ICONIC movie i know went back and. REWATCHED it i
do A film tv segment on my show and with
a guy who is really great, at it and he's
in the entertainment industry and the, whole thing and SO
when i watched it for him to just go back,
And see i'm seen it a, thousand times but paying

(01:54:27):
attention to the. Little things and, YOU know, i mean
the speech is still the greatest scene ever where he
talks ABOUT The uss indianapolis is still. The greatest and,
you know a chief eleven hundred meno in, the water
sixty seven, come out, you know like that. Whole thing

(01:54:48):
He's from cleveland. Baseball player, you know like you just look.
At it you watch. That scene it's gripping and the
character development of the whole movie. Is ridiculous it's.

Speaker 3 (01:54:59):
So good it's also crazy to me to have something
live fifty years, In cinema like when you think about
it was released in nineteen, seventy five which means its
comp would have been, that year would have been a
movie that was made in nineteen, twenty, five right like
you think about what was fifty when it, came out

(01:55:21):
and when you start to do the, math backwards it
really it's so hard to make. Something timeless it's so
hard to make something that still holds up and it still,
has relevance and that movie has relevance to people of,
all generations like the fact that they did the signature
popcorn buckets, for it and, you know all these things

(01:55:43):
as they put it back, in theaters and it's just
amazing to me to make something fifty years ago when technology,
was different pace of storytelling, was different the way things
were shot and told, was different and to still have
it resonate. With people we have people culturally understand and
know what it. Is like that's tougher and tougher to

(01:56:05):
do even now than it. Was then but, my god
that's the biggest tip of the cap, to me because
it's so hard to make something that, you know you
Can say jaws and it doesn't matter if you're eight.
Or eighty you know what. It's about, you know the
base of, the storyline like it has some impact that's
so impossible to do that you have to.

Speaker 2 (01:56:28):
Celebrate, that no and, you know the iconic movie poster
is still, the greatest right with the shark coming up
the in. THE swimmer, i mean it's, so perfect it's
everything about it is just A great it's, just, great
great a. Great movie and it was the first one

(01:56:49):
hundred million dollar. Summer blockbuster it really ushered in the summer.
Movie blockbuster. THAT'S wild i mean that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:59):
Is truly, you know to go from that time where
that was such a new concept to now where theaters
are desperately trying to find ways to get people back
in and, it's deep. Deep conversation but it's so hard
to create that sort of a cultural, phenomenon that like
You and i've talked before about the fact that it's
hard to create water, cooler moments, you know and now

(01:57:22):
hell that most places don't even have, Water coolers but
like those cultural moments like the Finale of cheers where,
you know the, next day everybody's talking. About it, you know,
for me my, my Age, like Friends when friends were a,
cultural phenomenon everybody sat down And watched Friends on. Thursday
night and, you know to think that that is so

(01:57:43):
impossible now to create it's a shame because you, KNOW
that i don't know how you could even create something
today that would matter as much and last as long
and have the Impact that, jaws had like to be
one hundred million dollar movie fifty. Years ago it was such,
a standout oh my. GOD moment i can't even think

(01:58:05):
of a modern movie that would be capable of having
that level of impact financially and changed to. The industry,
and like what movies now are we going to be
talking about in? Fifty years is you're going to make five?
Billion dollars because it feels like that's The COMP and
i don't know how.

Speaker 2 (01:58:19):
That, enksts, No, dude no it's, YOU know i mean
IT'S and i guess that's why it's a big deal.
New documentary and, you know that's What, makee spielberg, you know,
so brilliant is that he was, you know he invented
that formula and one blockbuster. After another but you know

(01:58:40):
that one was that would have had. At all and
you're right about the. Universal, moment shit the ONLY thing
i can think of that is a water cooler moment
where we all. Watch together it's The. Super, bowl god.

Speaker 3 (01:58:56):
You're, right LIKE as, i said doesn't matter if you're
a fan. Or not everybody talks, about it everybody's, around
it everybody latches. Onto it like what else? Is that,
because certainly like award shows in general used to sort of,
be that and they're not even. Relevant ANYMORE so i think.
You're right i'm not sure what else can stand that
sort of test of time and get the. Cultural.

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Eyeballs now it's weird because it wasn't too. LONG ago i.
REMEMBER doing i used to Do a sopranos talk After
on mondays after the, show aired and people. Loved it
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Your podcasts you'll see today's show posting right after we
get off. The air we started OUT The nba finals
and We got game, seven tomorrow so that is the
biggest thing. In sports and then WE Got, NBA Draft,

(02:00:29):
nhl draft and then we go into training camp and
that's kind of how the. Calendar Goes so game seven.
We begin we began the show game seven, tomorrow night
and you post, a Question is? Indiana? Reel like you

(02:00:52):
looked at it and, you go how could we not
See this indiana thing that's happening and what do? We
MISS which i thought was a.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Great, Question yeah i'm just trying to figure out why
THEY were i get why they were left for dead
coming into. THE series i, truly, do because as YOU
and i have talked, ABOUT repeatedly i not a lot
of people watch a ton of REGULAR season, Nba basketball
so right, or wrong good, or bad that's just. Way
coast so if not a lot of people are, watching

(02:01:22):
it and you know from sort of the narratives that
one is a, one seed one's a, four seed and,
You know indiana started the season off a. Little SLOWER
and i even hear smart, people, say well look at
the last half of the season and they're two of the.
Best teams all of these things, Are fine, but okay
see was just supposed to be this, dominant force and
that's just that's sort of what's been shoved down. Everybody's

(02:01:42):
throat but, to me even if you want to take
game one as, an outlier it was abundantly clear after
the first two games of this series that this was
going to be one of those series like these two
teams just it didn't feel like somebody was lucky or,
somebody sucked and it's like any. Of those it just
this has felt like a back and forth series from.

(02:02:03):
The outset and at some point THAT'S why, i think
especially on a seven, game series you just got to
stop using the any logic that applied before you got
to the series and just apply what we've seen in
this series through. Six games and through, SIX games i
just can't find any Reason that indiana. DOESN'T belong i

(02:02:24):
can't find a Reason that indiana is not a Favorite in.
GAME seven I just i. Just can't it's it's, better
depth IT'S better, i trust more quality scoring across. The
board if one person is a, little off that Doesn't
murder indiana's chances in. This GAME if sga is not
just absolutely, a behemoth, then okay se doesn't stand. A

(02:02:47):
chance and even if, HE is i Still think indiana
has to step on, their own you, know what to
get out of to eliminate themselves from. This game there
are more variables that spin Me to indiana than didn't
spin ME. To okac at, this, point.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Well you know. What's nuts you mentioned the. Word favorite
You're like indiana not. A favorite like think about that
for a. Second now obviously home court and, everything else
but your eyes aren't. Deceiving you there's one. Major issue
there's one major issue with this SERIES that, i think

(02:03:23):
and it has to do with doubling and tripling AND
blitzing sga AND turning okc into a half court team
and NOT giving sga the space. To create he's such a,
gifted creator a shot creator who goes to, the line

(02:03:45):
who's just a what? A? Player right but after That
And jaymann williams a nice, player man and he had
a terrific. Game five he goes off for thirty and
whoever it, WAS thirty i forget what, it was, thirty
eight wherever, it was and he looks great the. Whole
thing but he hasn't, been consistent and they still need

(02:04:06):
somebody else that. Could score so when they're blitzing and SLOWING,
down sga you got, somebody else, you know when they're on,
the road all those role players seem. To disappear so
that's just, To SEE like, i think o case he wins,
THE game i think, it's CLOSE but i can see

(02:04:29):
GUYS like I think wiggins comes up with a. Big
game like some of those role players play better, at
home they shoot the, ball BETTER and I think wiggins
is a guy that can give them pretty. Good minutes
but your over arching point is, spot On like indiana
is Real and indiana has a real chance to win.

Speaker 8 (02:04:50):
The.

Speaker 3 (02:04:50):
Game yeah and the funny thing is we've spent so
much time trying to figure out what that Means, for
halliburton when in fact your point earlier was an important
one to continue, to echo Is that indiana is not
going to live or die in this Game. By halliburton
they're just not like there are enough other people that

(02:05:11):
can step up and give them quality if they get
quality from their bench the way they have gotten quality
so far throughout the course of. This, series like is
it not jarring to go back and look at game
SIX and, i know backs up against, the wall all,
Those Things but indiana didn't just come out and, you
know hang on for. Dear life indiana came out and it, felt,

(02:05:33):
like okay see was ready for that punch. Of energy
it was a, close game and then all of a
sudden it wasn't a close Game because. Indiana helped they
protected the ball well and they just absolutely never took
their foot off. The gas and when you see that version, of,
it man. It's hard it's hard for that not to
just be stuck in. My head, you know it's just
it's hard to see the anxiousness With which indiana awaits

(02:05:56):
the ball from the ref out of bounds to push
the ball up. The court is? That's real that? Is
real the just the frenetic pace and energy and the
frantic sort of oh, my god hang on for, dear
life tornado that it Feels like indiana IS man i
that's stuck in. My head and your effort is the

(02:06:17):
one variable that you can control in any of. These
games so when you get the, absolute BEST if i
get the absolute Best of okac versus the absolute Best,
of indiana if both teams are playing one hundred percent,
of themselves. LIGHTS out i think That. Favors indiana so,
YOU know i hear you that the role Players for
oka see more comfortable. At home. THAT'S real I can't
i can't. EXPLAIN it i just think in this this

(02:06:40):
particular scenario with these, two, TEAMS man I think indiana
has to beat themselves. To loose i'm gonna die on.
This hill i'm Picking the pacers to WIN The. NBA
championship i Can't believe i'm. DOING it i didn't do
it before, the Series but i'm picking them at this
point to get.

Speaker 8 (02:06:53):
It.

Speaker 2 (02:06:53):
Done, wow, wow man you're really, you know you're really
polish ON and i, Get it like, you know there's
there's a reason to. FEEL good i. DON'T KNOW i
i still can't get Over the my biggest issue is.

Speaker 5 (02:07:12):
The.

Speaker 2 (02:07:12):
Role PLAYERS like i think they're gonna. SHOOT better I
think I think homeward's the other, One man he's the,
other guy like on, the road, he disappears.

Speaker 4 (02:07:25):
And that to me.

Speaker 3 (02:07:30):
Is just. A concept i guess this IS where, i
oversimplify but the concept of anyone melting and and somebody tweeted,
us earlier all the pressure Is on, OKAY see. I
don't i don't think pressure in a game seven hits
one side any different than. THE other i, truly don't
because everybody knows that no matter what their season's ending

(02:07:51):
at the end of, THE day i DON'T think, o
say okay see walks in with more pressure because they're
one seed at Home. Than Indiana it's game seven OF The.
Nba finals these guys have imagined this moment since they
were little kids in a driveway shooting at a hoop
and screaming they, got fouled even when they didn't just
because they wanted another shot at that, last shot you
KNOW what. I mean like they have lived their whole

(02:08:12):
lives waiting for. This moment, so now, to me if
pressure becomes the, great equalizer, then MAN do i BELIEVE
that okc will Will handle game seven Better. THAN indiana
i don't know that being at home is enough of
a boost for me to feel like it's gonna. BE

(02:08:33):
different I just i. Don't Know If, I'M indiana i
come in with such a Confidence of i've won in
the toughest environments in. THE world i have seen the
wild coverage of this whole. PLAYOFF run I just i
think all of That. Aids indiana AND then i keep
going BACK to i. FULLY expect i expect a huge

(02:08:54):
Game from siakam in game seven because he's lived through.
THESE things i just such a difference maker for me on,
you know having a voice in that locker room, that's,
LIKE hey i know how to normalize. My adrenaline listen.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
To me this is what we have.

Speaker 3 (02:09:09):
TO do i GOT the i trust their, coach MORE
and i. TRUST more i Trust the.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Pacers, MORE okay I. TRUST carlisle I think carlisle is
a big Advantage. For INDIANA so i agree with.

Speaker 4 (02:09:25):
You here.

Speaker 2 (02:09:27):
I'm not as Bullish on sam as. YOU are, i mean.
GOOD player I mean i'm not, you know discounting he's
had a couple of. Good games he also he also
didn't show up in a couple of games in The
fourth core in the, second HALF so i think his

(02:09:48):
game also kind of warrants that you'll get off from
three once in. A while but he's not a great free.
Throw shooter he's, you know he's not a great. SHOCK creator,
i mean he's. Really good i'd like To say i'm
not trying to denigrate. His game i'm just sorry about for.
CONSISTENCY purposes i think it goes Back, to halliburton Into

(02:10:11):
what halliburton can, give you because in that limited time
when he played twenty, four minutes he. Played terrific.

Speaker 4 (02:10:22):
That.

Speaker 2 (02:10:22):
SHOCKED me i. Was Shocked, and halliburton with that, camp
injury had that kind of game, in him and he
had to watching the previous game when he.

Speaker 3 (02:10:31):
Was, hurt yeah and he gets the extra day's rest
here to get really amped up and ready. For it,
oh man whatever, they're whatever they're going to rub on
to make sure that he's as numb, as possible like
he's he should be good, to, Go, right like here's.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
The thing give me twenty seven really. Good minutes That's
what i'm. Looking for twenty seven really. Good MINUTES and
i got McConnell and sometimes McConnell being a game. With
him AND if i can get that out Out, Of halliburton. I'm.

(02:11:07):
Good now nemhart played really well in game. Six too,
You know Nemhart and netsmith are two other keys to,
this thing because one of them has to. Show up,
and then like Even if siakan Gives you siakam right
eighteen to twenty, NINE boards, i mean that's kind of what, he,

(02:11:30):
Is Right miles turner was horrific in, game six oh,
for whatever and he was he. Was awful he's gotta
get he's got to, play better and then, you know
the bench has to be the bench like ob topping
to me was. The difference he. Comes in he just makes,

(02:11:52):
big shots those run those. Run, shots now the other
thing that's interesting to me that favorites IN the ah
Is that matherin didn't go nuts the. Other night matherick's a.
GOOD player i Could see mathree shooting the ball a
little bit. Tomorrow night.

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
To, Your point mathern could go, off right McConnell could,
Go off obie could, Go Off nie smiths could Go
off thatnmark could, Go off haliburton can, Go off turner can.
Go off I'M just i know this, feels Redundant but
i'm making this point because they had whatever six guys

(02:12:36):
in double digits in the. Last game any one of those,
six seven they've, got, six seven eight guys they can
all give you in, this game you could reliably say
they've got what eight guys on, the roster they could
give you? Eighteen points like that is that's. A lot
that's a lot to try and figure out how to,

(02:12:56):
deal with especially with the pace that like to run
with in, these playoffs and that's asking a LOT. Of,
OKAC now okac has obviously the, best PLAYER and i
usually god and IN The, nba Finals particularly, GAME seven
i would usually look at it, and, say hey give
me the, best player and the best player in this,

(02:13:18):
entire series without, any doubt is GONNA. Be sga we all,
know that you know AND Certainly Sga jaylen williams can also,
go off there is no doubt. About it BUT do
i really trust anybody ELSE in okc to, Just, say
hey this guy out of nowhere is gonna give me.
Twenty points who's Gonna be for All the jordan conversations

(02:13:38):
we'd like, to have they're. All stupid we can look
at it, and, say hey who's gonna Be The, steve
kerr who's gonna Be The, Craig hodges who's gonna be
the weird guy On a jordan team that turns around
and just gets big bucket after big bucket when you
absolutely need it to get a championship out of. This
THING AND i, I know i hear you that these,
role players BUT like i want Chet ho holmgrun to.

(02:13:59):
BE that i want to have this like, awakening moment
especially the way they put him in, Every Ad, my
god like they are trying to Make chet holme Gonna Star.
MY god i want that star making moment. For him
but BUT if i got a bank on somebody Not
named SGA and i got to bet my house, On
it i'm not comfortable with any. Of THOSE if i
have to bet my you are comfortable.

Speaker 2 (02:14:19):
With it you're Comfortable With.

Speaker 3 (02:14:20):
Jalen, williams, Yeah Well Jayleen willim, YEAH yeah. I did,
YEAH preference i said PREFACE that i Did say. Jayalen
earlier the rest, Of them i'm not really comfortable. With
that but if you TELL me i got to bet
my house on anybody Other than haliburton to come through
and have twenty points On, on indiana so a whole bunch,
OF guys i take that bet on a whole bunch.

Speaker 2 (02:14:39):
Of, them, YEAH yeah I think i think would shock
people with this series Is that indiana is the. Deeper,
team yeah nobody, thought everybody. INCLUDING myself, i, thought okay
she was the. Deeper TEA and i Liked the. Indiana's
bench we all knew that had a. Good bench, but

(02:15:01):
clearly clearly they're, a better, much better and. Much deeper
and it showed you because Look The isaiah joe who
was a part of, the rotation kicking on the floor
because you. Can't, defend, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:15:19):
Nah all. Of IT am i talking to you? Into
it you feel Like maybe I'm Making i'm i'm. Tickling.

Speaker 2 (02:15:26):
YOU listen i think you're, right there, like HONESTLY like,
I do i think you're, right THERE and I think indiana.
COULD win i just had THIS and i think the.
GAME'S close i think it's a. COIN flip i something
tells me that they're they're. Gonna home grin, plays better

(02:15:46):
and it has to do with being. AT home i
know it doesn't, mean anything and you're right home, court
homewise it's. That different but there's Something about rims and
and there's something about those runs is that they go
on that crowd ENERGY that i think wills them over.

Speaker 3 (02:16:08):
The, top well you're not wrong about the impact all
of that, can, make obviously and it is that, is
real that the energy from, the crowd all of these things.
ARE real i do agree that the one thing that
stands out to ME is i JUST don't i don't
see any way that it's a bludget in one way or,
the other, You know and this to me feels like

(02:16:30):
it's just going to be back and forth and it's
going to have a level. Of desperation like YOU and
i have talked to before about the FACT that i
Think The Stanley cup final And The stanley cup playoffs
in general are maybe some of the best things you
can ever watch in sports because it's so the tension
with every single goal is. So real the tension is

(02:16:50):
going to be real for both of, these teams just
in a level of can you match, my pace can
you match? My effort and as this is the iconic star,
making moment, you know that's the other part. OF this
i walked into this series with, you saying this is
an opportunity for the league to find some of the,
Next stars like because of the way everybody talks, about

(02:17:11):
championships somebody coming up Huge into game seven and this is,
an iconic immortal MOMENT in. Nba, history like that's that's what's,
At stake and there's going to be an opportunity for
whatever whatever has happened through the. Whole playoffs nobody will give.
A damn nobody will even. Remember It For. Chet holmgren
they will not remember how terrible he was last game

(02:17:32):
if he comes out in lays twenty four Points in
game seven and is a, big, Factor, right like that's
that's the cool part of this, to me that it
makes it electric because you're you're truly watching legacy be
made in front of. Your eyes And that's no sport
covers championships more THAN. The NBA so i don't believe
that there's a sport that matters more for your overall

(02:17:52):
conversation and the tone of your team and your franchise
and your stars Than a game seven IN The. Nba finals.

Speaker 2 (02:18:00):
You mentioned some beautiful by, the way beautiful like beautifully
said beautifully the, whole. THING right i got one question
though you mentioned the star finding? The stars do we
have to find?

Speaker 3 (02:18:17):
The stars.

Speaker 2 (02:18:19):
What's the lasting piece of? This final some of all
parts matter? To me?

Speaker 3 (02:18:28):
And, YOU yes i think two. Good conversations i'd like
to think we're having a. GOOD conversation i think to
People like, i'll Say Like ryan rossella, for EXAMPLE that
i think covers the sport really. Really WELL to nba
heads to some of the parts is, the lesson it's
the lesson that's. Been learned there's nothing anybody can do

(02:18:49):
about the, fact that, you know there are certain moments
in sports now that are blown up to the fact
that everybody makes it a. Conversation piece so should it?
Be no but is yes in some level to me
that maybe that's just me throwing my hands up and
giving up on certain parts of the WAY the nba.
Is COVERED but i do agree. With you the lesson
here should be some of all parts go, you know

(02:19:12):
and go do it the. Right way should be the
lesson that we get out of this playoff run by
both of, these franchises and by the way that that
should be part of the hope because there is a
moment where we have to remember that it was laughable
at one Time The golden state would become the focus of.
The league like my hope is that both of these
teams showed that the focus of the league can Still
be it doesn't matter, the market it matters. The team

(02:19:33):
and if you put the right group of, guys together
you can win.

Speaker 2 (02:19:35):
A chip, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, all right lots to.
Get to still the brains going to, join us so
we'll go hang out, with him look at the sports
from a, betting standpoint where the fellas, Right Here Fox,
sports radio, all right, welcome back fellas HANGING out NBA

(02:20:04):
Game nba finals game seven, tomorrow night to look at
it from a, betting standpoint as he always joins us
this time, each week, our Man, the Brain buddy brad Fed.
By brain, Good morning, good.

Speaker 4 (02:20:19):
Morning guys how are? You today?

Speaker 2 (02:20:20):
We're good get ready for, Tomorrow night fitzi's all About. The,
pacers yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:20:27):
Should be a, good one should be a. GOOD one,
i mean who would have thought before the series that
this was going to go? To seven the answer is not.
Many people BUT as i, TOLD you i think through,
six GAMES if i didn't know one player on either
TEAM and i just just, WATCHING it I just i
Would say indiana's been a slightly, slightly better more impressive team.

(02:20:47):
So far so it's been. Eye, opening indiana clearly a
team that was not, getting respected is irved and, uh,
okay see, you know probably because of their lack of
ability to find that Other score anthony a little.

Speaker 2 (02:20:59):
BIT overrated, i mean let.

Speaker 3 (02:21:04):
Me just get straight into. Game seven how much we
get all to. This point so most of us are
sitting here dealing, with emotion dealing with the fact that
we've seen Such different we saw what we saw in,
game six right like You saw indiana just sort of
come out. And, overwhelm, okay see so how much does
any of that play into the way that you do
your logic for? This game, how like what impact does

(02:21:26):
the series that we've seen have on the way that
you're playing?

Speaker 4 (02:21:29):
Game, seven well the impact they had, for me fit
see is, Just okay i've now seen a. Data point
like when these team for first playing in, game one
there is no data anthe is a really. Big person
in terms, of matchups there was really no data in terms.
Of matchup how would these teams play when they actually face?
Each other what would? It mean what players, would struggle

(02:21:49):
what players would have. More, success now if we have,
six games the data point where we see what players,
have success which, players struggle the minute rotation for, every
player and we have an idea of what will happen
when these two teams play? Each other, for me fifty
again through these. Six, games, now again most of, these
games unfortunately from a, competitive standpoint a lot of them
haven't been, that, GOOD right i mean a lot of

(02:22:10):
them have just been blowouts that really haven't been. That
exciting but a couple of the games In the anna.
Were Decent in game one obviously was. Pretty good but to,
me Again when i'm watching, These teams i'm saying, to, myself,
Huh yes okasey's power rating was significantly Higher. Than indiana but,
RIGHT now i don't think that's the case. At all now.

(02:22:31):
What's happened it's again this line you gotta. Grab mine
it's now a stone cold painted seven and. A half
so every sharp Has. Hammered indiana, but again a lot
of that value when, it's nine now it's seven and.
A half it's a. Big difference but to, ME again
i really adjusted my power Rating, on INDIANA and i,

(02:22:54):
don't know okayc, quite FRANKLY and i think this is
a much more of an even game than, you KNOW
like i would have Thought before game.

Speaker 2 (02:23:01):
One started so when you look at, this, thing brother,
and like HERE'S how i suss. It out role players
shoot the ball better.

Speaker 3 (02:23:15):
At, Home, yep.

Speaker 2 (02:23:19):
Okay see is in dire need of somebody else. Stepping
up they Need So, jalen WILLIAMS who sga they were,
Gonna blitz he'll get points like even he'll he'll he
can labor and work and all and He'll get he'll
wind up. Getting thirty but you gotta get all the,

(02:23:40):
Points Right Like jalen williams stepped up the one game.
Two games needs to do more. HOME grin i Brought
up nat he was horrible in. Game six he's got to.
STEP up i think he plays better. At HOME and
I think wiggins they need production off the beat because

(02:24:01):
that's been the big Difference. With INDIANA so i Think
it's wiggins who gives them off the bench two or, three,
threes right that could. PROPEL them i think that's the. Only, way, yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (02:24:17):
Look they need someone, like that that extra. Scorer off
and it's interesting is this is a team all year
that would made them. So special anthony has been that
they've been Along, with indiana these have been the two
teams that have such good, bench play but in this
series it's been, a mismatch an absolute. UTTER mismatch, i,
mean Look the indiana the one game in matter and

(02:24:38):
went off for twenty nine. OR whatever TJ McConnell i said,
TO you i know. HE won't i know. He won't
BUT if i had to TAKE an mvp in this
series so Far, FOR indiana i give it him Slightly.
OVER siakham i think he's been. That, TREMENDOUS.

Speaker 2 (02:24:54):
Hey i don't forget It'll be topping in.

Speaker 4 (02:24:55):
That Too obie top has been. Great too i'm saying.
Their benches you could argue it has been more impressive
than than the Starters. FOR indiana, i mean because, You're
Right obi top and will probably be the third player
on my list AFTER a tj McConnell And. Pascal siakam so,
look again it should be a. Good game but here's.
The thing let's think, about value and we talk. About

(02:25:16):
value how much of the value has Evaporated for indiana?
Right now let's think about this game six, at home
which is a great. Home crowd they're taking six and
a half. At home now they're taking seven and a
half on. THE road, i, MEAN gosh, i mean it's.
It is it is just night, and Day which i'd

(02:25:37):
RATHER do i mean it's taking six and a half
at home versus seven and a half on, the road
a much better spot in game six and in, game seven, real.

Speaker 2 (02:25:49):
Quick, jump down. Real, quick yeah value compared to what
you think the value once. Was correct but knowing that
what your eyes are saying Is that indiana, is legit
they are SO like i can argue that the value is,
still THERE like i that it hasn't moved Enough and

(02:26:13):
aliana still.

Speaker 4 (02:26:13):
Has, value yeah, Listen again i'm one hundred percent On the. Indiana.
SIDE again i did take it when it was nine because,
to me that was. Just ridiculous but it has gone.
Down again it has gone down to now seven and.
A half so again and for me to sit here
the distant, general saying oh it was seven and a,

(02:26:34):
half nine? WHO cares i. Answers me but, BUT yeah
i do think that this line is still, too HIGH
and i do Think that. Indiana, ABSOLUTELY look i think
this will be a. CLOSE game. I do i don't
think it's going to be A double. Diger, game okay
see most likely winner, for sure but let's call it

(02:26:55):
the final score will go one on nine one. O,
four okay see.

Speaker 3 (02:27:00):
Does because we've talked a lot today about the role
players at, home specifically do you look at some of
these ancillary like when you're looking, for props do you
look at some of these ancillary players different because we're, At,
home like how much does game seven or be IN
an okc matter to that with Props, SPECIFIC.

Speaker 4 (02:27:20):
Yeah i mean not all, of it so because. IT depends, i,
mean YEAH obviously i do look at the home road
splits of players just to get every kind of EDGE that.
I CAN so i try to factor literally every aspect
into It when i'm making. These debts but again it's,
Also look i'm also starting. To flow it's a one, shot,
Deal right it's, one game, so truly not to sound like,

(02:27:43):
a coach anything can happen in. One game so in
a one, Game, scenario look nothing would utterly shock me
here because it's just. One performance We've seen okase guys
lose by Forty, to minnesota then the next game win, by,
four right so we've. Seen them we're Sending in indiana
lose by, you know loosed by thirty points the. Other

(02:28:07):
night so this is a team that has a wide range.
Of outcomes so the Thing, with indiana if you remember game.
Game Free the cavaliers beat them on their home court by,
forty points so one game anything. And that, but yeah
obviously for the, ROLE players i do agree with that
Analysis to anthony that it is obviously favors guys. Like

(02:28:28):
that it's obviously a lot easier being at home with
the home crowd behind you to be a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:28:33):
More, productive yeah just to, get that like that crowd
was FITTY and i never talked. About earlier when you
when you go on, a run is when the, crowd
really especially a Team, like okay say, good point because
that's when they start to bury. Those, threes right That's

(02:28:54):
when dort who who couldn't hit in the side of
a barn, a yeah will knock. Down three and THAT'S
why i get you, a, piece Right the, Wiggins PIECE
like i Could, see wiggins he would be my pick to, go,
off right say, GO off i mean get you? Twelve,
POINTS yeah i.

Speaker 4 (02:29:12):
Get it he have aged thirteen during the. Regular season actually, Any,
THINK yeah i didn't know he's that productive during the.
Regular season, but yeah he's a guy that they certainly
could use to have because, you're right there's so much PRESSURE.
ON sga i mean there. Really is that's one of
the good Things. ABOUT indiana i feel like their team's
MORE like i feel like they have more guys that

(02:29:34):
potentially can score than okayse where it's JUST like sga,
and Yeah obviously williams had that game where he at
the forty and he's a really. Good PLAYER but i
feel like they've been struggling to score more consistently from
the rest of their Team than. Indiana has.

Speaker 3 (02:29:50):
Oh is there any value IN series mvp? TYPE things,
i mean we see those props. OUT there i just don't,
know if like from a, professional standpoint do you care about?

Speaker 4 (02:29:58):
That stuff look? It AGAIN but i told, you that
like it's Fun INTERESTING and i didn't even look to
see what the. HUDs were And because i'm away, right
NOW but i will say IF if tj McConnell was
the year the igodol had one when they Had like
Bran and Curry and clay and all, those guys and
do you STILL? WANT mvp tj McConnell was like sitting

(02:30:21):
at like two hundred, and one if he has one
more good game and they win, THE game, i again
hand In, THE bible i would vote. For him it's
not this isn't Me exaggerating if you wanted to make
a small pizza ball, on him obviously you need a,
huge parlay You need indiana, to win and then you
need ONE more, i mean he keeps playing these. Great

(02:30:41):
games you need one more great game from him that
happens to will either be Him or siakam so, To
me so if you're looking for like a crazy, LONG
shot i would go. Him, Now also i'll, say this
if you Like, okay see let's say with the, money
line let's wait in the laying minus two seventy and
you Can find shay at minus two thirty TO. WIN
mvp i would Gladly take shade to WIN m vp

(02:31:03):
minus two thirty because if they win, the series he's
going TO. Win mvp it's a way for you to
Get okay se to win the game at seven minus
two seventy minus. Two thirty.

Speaker 2 (02:31:14):
That's a good that's a. Great point that's a. Great,
point yeah BECAUSE when i Say If jalen williams goes
off for, another game he's not WAYING, be stga they
don't do anything ABOUT S. G.

Speaker 4 (02:31:25):
A yeah I just, I can't i mean THAT would
i think that Would Take jalen williams having like an
all time moment Game and, shase STRUGGLING which i GET
is i can't say, it's impossible BUT if i, could say,
let's SAY as i said forty cents on the, MONEY
line i Will say shay will probably know. WIN it
i will win. It, unanimously, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:31:47):
Yeah, ALL right i THINK for us Official, play, yeah
look look.

Speaker 4 (02:31:52):
IT'S funny i there are a couple of things in.
This game i'm actually gonna give. YOU again a lot
of the value get sucked out as time, goes on
and take sevens a. Lot HARDER but i do have
two THINGS which I think. I Value miles turner IN
these Nba playoffs Anthony and fitzy sixteen and four to
under one and a, half threes he Just hasn't his minutes,

(02:32:14):
Are down, he's struggling. Been ineffective i'm going under one
and a Half Thres miles, turner again sixteen, and four and.
HE isn't, i know he's gotten here once in, this
series and his minutes to keep getting worse and worse.
And Worse and i'm going To Go isaiah hartenstein's pra
for EVERYONE listening praa points redouns TO the, sys combined
we're going to go over thirteen and. A half he's
actually started the last couple. Of, games NOW when i

(02:32:37):
get the mathematics factory In what i'm expecting to get
nineteen to, twenty minutes that thirteen and A half pr
should be closer to sixteen sixteen and. A half it's.
Too low take over thirty and. A Half isaiah hartenstein
and then some baseball guys didn't love a toront. Of
stuffday but there's THREE things. I liked Royals With noah
cameron going against stale and seas like under four and

(02:32:59):
the Five anymal cameron's been. Utterly dominant royals. Can't score
don't think will be five run scored in. That game
in the five, inning line we're gonna Get. The Phillies
nick abel, OVER sorry, i think don't meant to hurt.
Your feelings over four And it's hits a loud against
a very very very VERY good. NETS lineup i. Think
able this was his toughest match of his faced Born

(02:33:20):
hath hits is usually reserved for The Elite all stars
gets a little bit too much respect from. MC gabel
i say he gives up five six or more, and
last but, not least who Is A Burios Toronto blue
jays twenty three to nine, last year ninety four his
last thirteen this year pitching over seventeen ha f outs
going against a Very important Chicago light, Sox lineup give
me various over seventeen and a. Half outs, ALL right i.

Speaker 2 (02:33:43):
Like, you buddy great, Stuff listening, good, luck pal, all right.

Speaker 3 (02:33:47):
GOOD luck i appreciate my friend.

Speaker 2 (02:33:48):
Out there, all right there he is the brain. Checking,
in well take quick, t out come right back and wrap,
it up fellas right Here On Fox. Sports radio.

Speaker 3 (02:34:00):
Hear, Me Out. Anthony gargana they should play this as
they as they Lift the Larry. O'Brien trophy think. ABOUT
that i love. My way both of these teams did it.
Their way, come on like there's just too.

Speaker 2 (02:34:15):
Much, cinnamento. Yes, TREMENDOUS yeah i think. YOU'RE right i think.
That's tremendous, Cause yeah i'm down, with that completely down.

Speaker 3 (02:34:26):
With that, you know make Me the tzar of. All
sports i'll fix. These things, YOU know I start i
was just gonna Be the zar of. College Football now
i'll take. It all i'll just take all.

Speaker 2 (02:34:34):
Of, IT yeah i think you should do all. Of
it let me just be the schedule Maker that i'll
generate revenue.

Speaker 4 (02:34:43):
For you.

Speaker 3 (02:34:44):
I'm in.

Speaker 4 (02:34:45):
For, that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:47):
Hey did you See what otani did the? Other? Day
no what do? You do What do?

Speaker 3 (02:34:53):
Tony do?

Speaker 2 (02:34:55):
All right so you know that he. Gets hit you
saw you can, get hit, got chippy right? And right
and so they hit him at the end of. The
game first he. Gets hit it's nasty and he could
be out for. A while and. He's not, he's fine
but it was, a nasty nasty fastball right right. At him,

(02:35:18):
and emotions he's, like it writhing in pain and emotions
to his bench to, stay, in like don't. Come out
and then after the game he Approaches the padres dugout
with his hands behind his back in the most non

(02:35:43):
threatening manner and proceeds to talk To, THE dodgers i
mean To the padres and then you seem shaking hands.
With guys it was the, ultimate, like respectful japing ease
culture at. Its best it was. Beautiful walk him walking

(02:36:06):
over by himself to address the dugout with his hands
behind his back. Was unbelievable theater that.

Speaker 3 (02:36:17):
Is so incredible and just. So authentic you KNOW what,
I mean like it doesn't work for everybody in, that
situation it works so well for him that that is really,
that's special and that continues to just be. The, THEME

(02:36:37):
look i Think Major league baseball has done a really nice,
job of frankly, this year giving us not only an.
ENTERTAINING product i don't know if, anyone saw But The
father's day attendance numbers were absolutely. Insane incredible, you know
the world spends so much time trying to, fix baseball
like maybe a tip of the cap to the fact that,
right now there's a lot of reasons to love it

(02:36:58):
And show hayes a big one. Of those so like
that that just speaks to why it's such a unique
and interesting cultural story as well as a unique and interesting. Baseball, story,
YEAH DUDE i, i yes everything.

Speaker 2 (02:37:12):
YOU said i freaking. LOVE it i. LOVED it i
thought it was beautiful and. It was it was, all thick,
wholly authentic, YOU know, i mean and the way their
reaction like they're looking platters are looking at them, like
wow this, is, nuts right and then they, got like,
you know it shows you, the, power uh and the beauty,

(02:37:36):
of that like, respecting kindness like there's a power in
that that. IS beautiful i. LOVED it, i, like yeah,
well yeah. We listen we're, you know we're, half, troglodytes
right so we love, you know when guys get into

(02:37:57):
it and the brawl and, the thuggery, and like, YOU know,
i mean there's a reason why people like, hockey, Fights,
right like, you know it's part of kind of who.
We are but the other part of this is equally powerful,
and beautiful which is when you see, This moment like
anybody who hasn't, seen it just Go on twitter and.

(02:38:19):
Find it you'll see. It anywhere you Can just google
it and you'll. See it you'll, see it and it's an, awesome,
moment man, really is and it puts you in a.

Speaker 3 (02:38:29):
Good mood, it also like, you mentioned sort of our
love for. Violence sometimes but baseball there's such a love
from the fans of what the game looks like and
how the game, is played in the respect of the
game and the honor of. THE game, i mean you,
know that and to see somebody personify that in that
way is really it's. Pretty amazing like it's the sort

(02:38:52):
of thing you latch onto, and, say hey this is
just cultural. Or not it's just such a respectful way to,
do it and that just speaks to how so much
of baseball fans want their sport to. BE consumed i think. It's, beautiful, yeah,
brother yeah really really.

Speaker 2 (02:39:08):
Good stuff, All right so you were you're gonna go
all the way pacers pacers By?

Speaker 3 (02:39:13):
Eight, wow, wow dude do? It well you, Know what
i'm gonna lay a little cash on. It too i'm
gonna lay a.

Speaker 2 (02:39:23):
Little cash talk about what's, FIVE hundred i, don't know
three hundred something.

Speaker 4 (02:39:27):
Like that.

Speaker 2 (02:39:28):
That's, Fantastic anyway we love. You guys have a. Great
week fellas are out

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