The Jason Martin Show: 05/24/2020

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with the Walt Disney Company about reach. Starting the twenty
NBA season, in late July at Disney's ESPN wide World
of Sports Complex in Florida as a single site for
an NBA campus for games, practices, and housing. Our priority
continues to be the health and safety of all involved,
and we're working with public health experts and government officials

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on a comprehensive set of guidelines to ensure that appropriate
medical protocols and protections are in place. That from NBA
spokesperson Might Bass. He said that on Saturday. So what
does that mean, Well, it means it looks like we
could see basketball before July is out now the first

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when I first heard this, I realized that's still, you know,
nearly two months away. Think about that. There are so
many logistical hurdles and things that have to be overcome.
I read Brian Windhorse article and I read some stuff
over at the Athletic as well about all of the

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things that have to be put into motion to make
this happen, even with the country reopening and the numbers
not exploding in a way that would tell you that's
a mistake, because it's absolutely not. I'm done with the
argument that we need to stay in our homes forever.
I haven't done it. The whole time. But um, you know,

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maybe if I was seventy, but I'm not. But you
talk about the bubble idea and being away from your
family for months and months and NBA players and support
staff and all of this stuff. But one thing I
want to talk about is the season went away on
I think it was March the eleven. I believe that's

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when the season actually went away. And that was after
the Rudy Gobar deal and when they just kind of
shut it down. There were two d fifty nine regular
season games remaining on the schedule at the time that
the season halted. The article I'm looking at right now
says to complete those games and four rounds of playoffs.

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The bubble. If you're gonna put everybody into this, you know,
experimental bubble deal where they're all together, they're all being
tested every day, blah blah blah, it would take about
three months. And players don't want to do with the
NBA don't want to do it. They don't want to
be away from their families. All of that and all
the nine yards. You've got infectious disease experts talking about

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layers of protection. You've got this optics problem for the NBA,
which we have talked about on this show before. At
least that's their belief about this. I think Michelle Roberts
mentioned this, as did Adam Silver at one point in time,
that they can't be seen as hogging tests when people
out there having trouble getting tests. Now I read that

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today and I thought to myself, wait a second, I'm
hearing reports in many states where they have far too
many tests and people aren't taking advantage of them on
a daily basis. That may not be true where you live.
It may not be true in every state, but it's
true in some major areas where they have, you know,
fifteen thousand tests or ten thousand tests available, but only

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three or four thousand are being taken. For whatever reason.
There seems to be a surplus in some areas, but
they don't want to be seen as well because we're
more important. We have testing every day, because apparently that's
the dream, is to be able to test every single
person inside this bubble every day for COVID nineteen to

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make sure everything is as pure as a driven snow
in terms of layers of protection. But I want to
go past the experiment. How long it might take in
fifty five days, I think is the amount of time
it would take to play four rounds of playoffs, maximum
amount of days. You've got three courts at this deal

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in Orlando, and they'd be playing eight games a day potentially,
and it would be like Summer League where you had
stuff going on at the exact same time. They're trying
to figure this out because, as you heard Bernie Friday
say just before us here on Fox Sports Radio on
his excellent show, it's about nine million dollars that's on

(05:28):
the line here if they weren't to come back. If
they come back and do something, they can recoup nearly
a billion dollars. That's a lot of money. That's a
lot of inspiration, I would say for finding a way
to play as much as you can. But I was
thinking about the end of July, and then I was
thinking about March eleven. March eleventh feels like it's about

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fifteen years ago. It feels like back to the future
to released at the theaters around the same time we
saw our last NBA game. Time has just I don't
even know the best way to describe it, but it's
been hard to tell days. But all of a sudden
you look up and you realize weeks have passed. So

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if the season were to come back and they were
to play however many of the regular season and then
play the playoffs, do you really feel like it's the
same season, Because I don't. I feel like that season
has been lost, the one that ended on March the eleven.
I think that needs to be in the history books

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as done zo, because I'm never gonna be able to
view it. Like, when you really think about this season stopped,
you're gonna place an asterisk on whoever wins the championship.
Unless it's a favorite like it come back in the
Clippers win or the Lakers win. You're probably not putting
an asterisk on it because what you expected happened happened anyway.

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But if you come back and there's rust, as there
certainly could be with an aged Lebron James coming back
after a lot of time off and just the weirdness
of trying to come back, it's gonna be different for everybody.
It's gonna be unique for everybody. I don't want to
single out Lebron James. I'm just saying he's a little
bit older, so maybe it would take him a little
while to get firing again on all cylinders. So if

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like some team that you didn't expect went deep or
even won the championship, you tell me you're not placing
placing an asterisk next to that. The favorite is the
only way you get away from that. So I know
that there's a lot of scenarios out there, but what
I think the NBA needs to do is to use

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this as an opportunity to make every game matter. And
here's what I mean. I think you can look at
the college basketball model and the complete irrelevance of the
regular season because of this sheer depth and amount of
teams that make it into the n c Double A tournament.
If you don't make it in, you're not really that

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good and you have no argument period if you're on
the bubble and you don't get in, so what you're
not winning a championship. But right now, well, I mean,
once you get to the tournament that we watch, every
game doesn't matter. We'll watch that one versus sixteen, even
though we've only seen one time where that's really been
particularly close. Well we've seen a few scares, I guess,
but we've only seen one time where it's actually been something,

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and in that moment it was everything with Virginia and
Maryland Baltimore County. But we will watch the tournament because
it's pretty much the only reason to watch. It's the
reason why the four team college football playoff is effective
in terms of those four teams and those four spots
being so coveted because they're so rare. With novelty comes intrigue.

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With novelty comes a higher price, tag comes more value.
So I don't know how exactly you shake off the
rust in this example, but somehow the NBA just needs
to run a tournament when they come back. They don't

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need to try and finish this regular season. This season
was a rickety rap back on March the eleven. If
it had come back at the first of April, we
might have had a different argument. But we're talking about
the end of July. That's EON's folks. That's a vast
expanse of time where no one dribbled a basketball for
the association except in a bad cell phone video horse

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tournament on ESPN about a month ago. So why don't
you just come back with an expanded playoffs. You can
probably still eliminate the bottom feeders, but if you want
to put them all in there, you can put them
all in there. How the first round be the best
two or three. Yeah, you might have some crazy things happen,

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but you know what, who cares nothing. It's gonna be
crazier than the real life that we just experienced or
that we're currently still experiencing, especially in some states. If
you come back and this is a chance to do
something completely different, This is a chance to come back
with brackets and say, boom, here's the best players in

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the world in a tournament, to crown a champion. Once
in a lifetime, once in a generation. It will never
happen again. Our season ended because of a global pandemic
out of our control. Us. Trying to recapture that or
restart that just flat out makes no sense at this
point because it's been far too long. In fact, it

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will have been over four months. But if you come
back and you do a tournament and you advertise it
as such, and you still call that the NBA champion,
you can still do that. Everybody comes back and there's
so much interest and intrigue because for the first time ever,

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we don't know what any of these teams are gonna
look like, because there's gonna be russ to shake off,
there's gonna be you know, having to get back into
game shape, dealing with game fatigue at times, and then
just this constant competition that breeds from the tournament atmosphere.

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What's been the big lament for the non hooped folks
that come around in early June or late May to
the NBA, it is that the regular season is too long.
The teams don't really care. You know, you're gonna see
them play again when it matters, So why do I

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care about Lakers Clippers in October? And look, you can
make those arguments, and you're not wrong, but think about
the idea if you came back and you didn't have
to worry about those things, if all you want to
watch for is the playoffs, if you come back and
just give us an expanded playoffs as a tournament and
crown a champion, that way, we're not going to place

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an asterisk bigger on that champion then we would otherwise.
In fact, because it's a tournament, it would just feel
like this almost completely separate entity, and it would be
wildly entertaining and there would be suspense. And yeah, I
still think the cream would probably rise to the top,
but you might get some upsets in there. And the
one thing that the NBA has been dogged for for

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decades is a lack of parody. Now, if you look
at the numbers, the lack of parity is an overblown
story as it relates to the NBA. But you might
have an opportunity here. I mean, everything is going to
be different anyway. This is a totally unique situation. We're
not likely to ever experience it again. Everything taking place
in the same place, maybe no fans or a very

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small number of people in the seats, limited per sannel,
limited media, a certain number of referees, everybody contained within
a certain you know, block of hotels and things of
that nature for an expanded time, or however it is
that you want to do this. Everything about this is different,
so why shouldn't the format of the actual league be

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different also? And then you can come back and you
can play exactly the same season you've always played, where
you can tweak it a little bit and come back
in December however you want to do it, that's fine,
But don't come back and tell me that we need
to finish this regular season or we need to find
a way to finish this season. That season is finished.
This just needs to be something different. That's what we're

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all clamoring for. Anyway, don't come back with the records
and everything else. You can seed everybody in the tournament
based on the records that they currently have, and maybe
you come back and you play five games and you
can let some people advance or move up seeds or whatever,
and maybe you do cut the bottom seeds out. If
the NHL is coming back with twenty four, maybe you

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come back with but come back with a lot of teams,
ones that wouldn't have otherwise made the playoffs. And usually
I'm not somebody that would clamor for something like that,
but this isn't usual. This is the very definition of
unusual any other year we have ever experienced. Ever, So

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the NBA has a chance to do something different, something inventive,
something unique, something fun, something uber competitive, and something uber
interesting both to the gambling public as well as just
a sports watch in public, because all of a sudden,
you have no argument about the regular season not mattering,
because the regular season doesn't exist, and they've been trying

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to figure out, you know, how do we bring these
numbers back up. Our ratings are down in these regional markets,
and Lebron playing on the West Coast means we have
a worse lead in you fix it all and maybe
you come back and you can continue to work on
tweaking rules and adding these mid season things and all
the stuff that that has been ballyhooed and discussed the
scuttle butt around the league. But right now, just come

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back and run a really badass tournament and crown and
handle arrya Brian Trophy to whoever wins it. I don't
think anybody's got a problem with that at all, because
whoever wins it, you're gonna have the same problem because
of how long the layoff was. It's just something I
think that you can consider because with everything on the table,

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and with all the difficulties and the challenges and the
laundry list of stuff that has to be done to
try and get this league back, and they want to
do it to save this money, find a way to
make sure it's gonna be a home run as an
entertainment product. Here's what wind Horse said at the end
of his article. To be clear, this would require unprecedented

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work in a tight and uncertain time frame to construct
the NBA's path back to live games. But this is
an unprecedented situation. That's my that's where I stop. When
I see unprecedented situation, I say, do something unprecedented, Do
something we don't have a template for, Do something different,

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stand out from the crowd. The NBA right now has
an opportunity to attract an audience that doesn't care about
its regular season by eliminating it and saying, bye, gosh,
every game is gonna play into this bracket. You love
the n c Double A tournament. Now take the unpredictability
of college athletes away. Put the best in the world

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out there. Let him go knock down, drag it out
through this thing, and let's crown a champion that way.
Not for that season that just ended. That one goes
into history books with a paragraph that's not gonna matter
who would have won the championship. The final paragraph on
that season is gonna be on March the eleventh, Rudy Gobert,
Donovan Mitchell and then the NBA c STO operations. That

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was it. Whatever happens after this, I can't even remember
what I saw from the season. The last thing I
remember the NBA is Kawhi Leondar winning an NBA championship. Seriously,
that's how that that's it. That's the lasting memory we have.
So this. I know they played games, and I know
it's wear and tear on their bodies, but we just
need to let that Vanish man come back and play

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a tournament. People will be down for this. I promise
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l A. My idea about the NBA coming back and

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doing something different with the tournament as opposed to trying
to recapture what was lost what will then have been
four months ago, where I just think it's dumb to
come back and try to act like you can bridge
that gap, like eventually you run out of duct tape.
Eventually you just don't have any more caution tape. There
is nothing more to see here. You just you gotta

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let it go. We if we come back, even if
we come back in first to May, maybe you could
have made the argument, well, folks were talking about the
last ten days at July here. I know Spencer Denwity
tweeted July, but that seems unlikely. It seems it's gonna
be in the twenties and maybe even in the higher twenties,
the upper twenties. It just seems to me you have

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an opportunity for your NBA to just cut the fat,
trim the fat, do what it looks like the NHL
might be trying to do. And I think if you're
the NHL, it's even smarter because look, a lot of
people are not watching regular season hockey around this country,
except if you're just a die hard fan in one
of these markets. But it's not something that gets talked
about on national sports radio because we see numbers and

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we know what people actually want to hear about, and
we're not programming for ourselves. Even if we're hockey fans,
we're probably not talking a ton of hockey. But if
you come back and you just run a team playoff,
hell yeah, we're gonna watch that. I mean, doc Emery
is the best play by play guy in all of sports.
I listened to him call anything, so I'll certainly listen
to him. But just watching a tournament, I like watching hockey.

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I just can't get down with an eight two game
regular season, like I just I don't have the time
or the inclination to sit there and maintain my interest
level for that long. But a tournament, yeah, because I
know every single thing goes into the end game, and
I know you can tell the story of a long
regular season by hey, you know all these things. These

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guys get separated by one game, so each game does matter.
But it's just so long. All these seasons are so long.
It's been a refrain that I've at on this show
since a day one. The smaller the number of regular
season games you have, the better each regular season week
can be, or each regular season game can be, because

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they're rarer, which means each piece is bigger you get
the more you get, more of the pizza with each slice,
and there's more there, but pro and con or bury
me or praise me for my idea of just running
a tournament if you're the NBA, which just a little bit,
maybe to shake off the rust, but just do something
a little bit different because we're in such a unique circumstance.

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I don't even think you need to do that much different,
to be honest. Look, I mean we've had the NBA
had a lockout shortened season in twelve. We didn't put
an asterix next to any of that. The fact that
we played half a season and got you know, thunder
heat at the end of that season. We were fine
with that. No one was saying there's an asterix next
to where it, or is a tainted season or doesn't

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count or anything like that. People were fine with a
shortened season, same deal year, you know, we were. We stopped. Uh,
Like what mid March for the NBA times just warping
for me over So someone was talking about conference championships
the other week, and it took me like three minutes
before I realized they were talking about n b A

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and not not college for this time of year. But
my my point is that by the time of mid March.
The standings the NBA don't change that much. If you
are if you are in the one to eight seeds
in the standings in East or West, there's not a
good I mean maybe at the eight seed that changes
up a lot, but the eight c is always getting
eliminated in that first round anyway. But the best teams

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are staying where they are. You're just jockeying for position,
so losing the rest that season doesn't really matter. Like
I'm with you, I I don't think you could need
to overhaul the tournament format that much. Just do like
you know, a week or two, maybe the games count
for the standing, maybe their exhibition for warm up, but
then go right to the to the playoffs. That's fine,
like we've we've had that before and it would be

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great theater. And as the said, people are there for
the NBA playoffs, they're very exciting. They're there for the
Stanley Cup playoffs too, because the same deal. So I
think it works well for both sports. Like you know
who the best teams were at these times, Nothing dramatic
is going to change except for maybe teams who are
gonna get eliminated in the first round anyway. I'm sorry,

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like this isn't there There's not a lot of upsets
in the NBA when it comes to the standing, So
going straight to the playoffs, that's that's a winner in
my book. That's that's That's why I wonder though, if
maybe you have the chance at a little bit more
intrigue or some surprises, just because nobody's ever come back
off of this kind of Oh yeah, there's gonna be situation.

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There's absolutely be some russell and will be some scares
early on, and you'll see which teams are really ready
to get back in action. It'll probably affect teams with
older players, like I'm sure the Lakers would probably be
more affected than some other teams. Exactly, yeah, exactly that
that that's why I mentioned Lebron is the idea. And
I also think teams that are you know, they're they're
used to playing with each other for longer, they haven't

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had as much roster turnover veteran guys that have actually
succeeded together. You might see more success out of those
guys than maybe some of these other teams as well.
But Eric, how about you? Do you like the idea
and do you like my idea of maybe expanding it,
adding a few more teams to it, the same way
the NHL is doing just to add more entric. I mean,
it seems like the more teams you add the n

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C double a tournament, more people are down for that
since this is unique. Even though I would never want
to do this regularly because you already have half the
league in the playoffs right now, I can see it
that way, You've got a little bit more basketball. Yeah,
I mean, I'm a I'm a hockey guy. So I mean,
outside of the Sabers and the King's, my two teams
being two of the seven, the only seven that got
kicked out of the league, I guess for this season.

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I'm a huge hockey guy, so I love the tournament.
I love the idea of just I mean, like you
said in in the monologue and to open the show,
it's like, this is something we've never dealt with before.
So the idea of saying we have to do it
a certain way or not being open to doing it
more stable ways is just asinine because of the fact
it's like we don't have anything to pull from in
the past to even grasp how we should handle this.

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And I'm I'm of the idea that we should get
the most sports out of sports in general right now.
So what what what would the problem be if, yeah,
expanding a tournament style format or bringing more teams into
the fold, even if it's a three game play in
series to get into your official playoff record, or however
you want to phrase it. My biggest thing and hang

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up on. This is why people are poking holes and
into ideas and theories to get sports back when we've
all been you know, griping and grumbling and moaning over
the last three months without sports. So it's like, now,
all of a sudden, we have an idea in a structure.
Oh no, that's not good enough. For that's not good enough.
I'm just happy that there's something to look forward to
or an idea of concept to get something back on

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a court and ice field somewhere. Um but I'm I'm
I'm I'm of the idea of Yeah, I mean I
would be for more expansion, Like I love the NHLs.
How they're gonna unroll it and it's kind of crazy
how they've all of a sudden, uh, you know, slipped
into almost the the leader and hey, we're gonna be back.
We have an idea setting in motion, and it's for

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the most part it seems like teams are ready, the
players are ready. As opposed to I mean, Adam Silver,
I haven't remember the last time he said a word
about what's goind of come out of this, Rob Branfred
and MLB have almost been at like a stand still
since we got you know, that report last weekend um
and then I just I just like that the NHL
has a Hey, this is what we're doing. We're moving forward,

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and it seems like everybody's on board. You know, Yeah,
well what you're saying about hockey, I mean I I
concur I also look at them and I say, this
is exactly what you should do if you're the the NHL.
You don't want to sit around and have bad headlines.
People want sports, and and your sport is fourth okay,
Like it's just a lot of people, it's just not
something that moves the needle for them. It's not something

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they've ever cared about before. Maybe they've watched Stanley Cup playoffs,
which are riveting pretty much every single year, basically just
to come back expand that and say hey, come on,
come on and check us out. You have an opportunity
right here, if you're the NHL, to try and make
some stars, to make some people who wouldn't be paying
attention to you at this point pay attention because of

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this particular format. This is exactly what you should be doing,
is thinking outside the box and trying to not just
make the most of this situation or make the best
of a bad situation, but actually improve your standing. Like
I don't know that you could do this in every sport,
but you can in hockey because there's less risk, there's
less to lose because you're starting from a lower place

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in the first place, right And I almost I want
to and I want to. I wish I could be
behind the scenes and kind of some of their talks,
because I've talked about it in the hallways here at
Fox Sports Radio. I mean, hockey players, you can't just
go and grab a ball. You can just be in
your backyard doing drills. Like these guys haven't been skating
for three or four months. You know. It kind of
stuck out to me. A Dustin Brown, he's a guy

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in that lake Kings for those who don't know, probably
don't know whatever. He was a video I saw a
couple weeks ago. He's just in his kitchen, you know,
it's on his Instagram or whatever, and I'm like, and
it snapped him. Like these dudes haven't even been on
skates for three months. Like I'm thinking if the NHL
and A war was like, Okay, we gotta move forward,
because if we want to get a product on the
ice that's worthy of people trying to, you know, try
to grab some new fans because it's the first time

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I've seen because it's the only thing on we gotta
get ahead of this thing so we get players back
on the ice, because, like I said, you can't just
go in the backyard and shoot hoops or do some
drills for your footwork. These guys have to put on
ice skates and be on ice, a sheet of ice,
you know, and that's that's not to be in somebody's
backyard for them just to do on a random Tuesday
to get back in the flow things. Yeah, I think
that's a good point. Just I mean, yeah, well, I

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mean Janice didn't have a hoop either, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
for some reason, we we we had some fun. Some
of these Canadian guys probably do have better backyard rings
than some of these basketball players do. Yeah, that's probably true,
but yeah, you're right. Plus, ice is unpredictable anyway. I've
always talked about one of the things that I do
find interesting about hockey is just how difficult it can

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be to determine what's going to happen, just because ice
doesn't behave right and and I'm sure that stuff they've
talked about too, Like me playing growing up throughout my life,
like ice, you know, you're inside, people don't think about it,
but the temperature outside of your arena, if your ice
drink determines your ice quality. So it's like you know,
they might be trying to speed this up too, because

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later you play into summer, your your ice, your ice
will change in an arena, just be based on your
outside temperature. We could be we could be talking about
like the Stanley Cup finals or even the conference finals
for the NHL, and like end of July early August,
if you're playing that in a place like Nashville, and
Nashville tends to have good teams, Like that's yeah, that
that changes. That changes a lot for you. Yeah, it does.

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And again, if you're hockey and you want to maximize exposure,
people are starving. They're looking for anything, and if you're
gonna bring a tournament out of what you can still
claim to be one of the four major sports, this
is a total look at the crazy number the NASCAR
put up crazy numbers last last. Yes, and that's and
that's a sport also known for who watches NASCAR. Right,

(29:04):
It's like if you throw something live sports related on TV,
like I'm assuming the match tomorrow with Tiger Woods, you
know at QB NFL Legends, Tom Brady, pay Manning, Phil Mickelson,
Like I'm assuming it's gonna get crazy numbers one just
because it's a live sporting event. You know, you don't
even need to care about it, really, but you're gonna
watch it because of something live that's not predetermined. Now

(29:24):
we're talking sport, Yeah exactly. I mean this, this is
returning back to normal a little bit more the matches.
It's gonna be entertaining. But I mean, we're not watching
for great golf. We're watching for trash talk, and we're
watching to see what Barkley does, and we're watching to
see um I do like the alternate shot format that
they are doing for nine holes, which means there's gonna

(29:46):
be some really bad situations that especially the pros, are
gonna be hitting out of from time to time. I
think it could be entertaining. I'm certainly be watching it,
and we'll be talking about on now kick the coverage Monday.
I'll be in for Clay on Monday and Tuesday with
Jeff Schwartz. But I mean, if people are gonna be
coming out and droves to see that, and then you've
got six plus million people watching the last dance and

(30:07):
you've got these crazy NASCAR numbers, imagine a team sport
in this country coming back and coming back in this
format where it's playoffs. Baby, it's a tournament. Your dagging right,
We will watch that. You are dagging right. We will
be wearing bells watching that. Let's go to Brian Finley
out in Los Angeles and catch a look at what
else might be going on in the world of sports,

(30:27):
if we haven't already stolen at all. But well, Jason,
I wanted to add to kind of what you guys
were talking about. I'm actually of the belief I like
it if they can keep in the NBA a normal
playoff structure, because I know you guys were talking about
extending it, making it a longer and bigger tournament with
all the teams. But I wonder though, I think there's
a difference between fun and substance, and if you get

(30:50):
into the fun, you get in the gimmicks stuff, and
I just don't think that has the longevity or the
lifespan as far as ratings are concerned. As substance, You've
got guys out there who want to take on that
trophy and they want to know that it wasn't with
that gimmick year. You know. I just feel like if
you win a trophy in an extended tournament with all

(31:12):
these added bells and whistles, that it's like picking a
toy out of a cereal box. And at one point,
the reason why I think NASCAR did so well last
week is because that was substance. It's not like they
were driving around the other way, you know, they were
making a right hand turn or doing something different. They
kept the product as is, and so that's what I'm

(31:34):
worried about. If you mess it up too much and
get too creative that I think that might do more
damage than not, because at the end of the day,
people want to watch something that means something and what
means something is a traditionalist is I got a title
in my hand, and I did it the way it's
done the year before and the year before and the
year But was it though? If it's been four months,

(31:55):
I mean the layoff has been as long as an
off season to some degree, like it doesn't feel like
it's the same season. I'm just trying to wonder, like,
can you actually bridge a gap that far or eventually
do you just have to try to find another way
because the Grand Canyon is too big of an expanse
to try and get between. Well, I know Adam Silver
is one who does not want the asterix. And I

(32:17):
remember even Chris just talking a moment ago about the
lockout that the NBA has had. Yeah, and that was
a good point. And we don't think about an asterix
to that year, right, And I just think that over time,
I think people are going to kind of connect the dots,
you know, especially if it's also you're a Clippers fan,
right and you think that's your team has a really

(32:38):
good chance of coming back if things don't change and
winning an NBA championship. I just want to throw that out.
Let's just be honest. Jason The only reason I want
all this to come back is because the Laker fans
are already declaring themselves world champions, and that's just that's
just wrong. I knew it. I just want to go
and cut through the club. Let's just be honest here,
all right. Tell us what's going on in sports? All right?

(32:59):
So yeah, speak go to the NBA guys. You guys
were talking about it. They are dead set on having
Disney's state of the art Sports Complex and Orlando to
stage the rest of the league's season. The compound has
three arenas, ample practice courts, and plenty of hotel space.
It's a two acre property that world would turn into
a self containing bubble essentially that's closed off from the public.

(33:22):
And the NBA will come out with more details on
this proposal once they have their Board of Governors meeting
this upcoming Friday. That according to ESPN and the reports
are presuming, the teams will start playing in late July.
And finally, Eddie Sutton, a college basketball coach, a mastermind
who won north of eight hundred winds passed away by

(33:44):
natural causes on Saturday. Sutton, fewer than two months ago,
made the class for the Nate Smith Hall of Fame.
He was eighty four years old. And later today Guys
Nascar back at it the Coca Cola six hundred on
Fox TV six pm Eastern Time, and as Eric alluded to,
their ratings were wonderful last week. Over six million viewers

(34:05):
that tuned into last weekend, which was like almost at
increase from the prior race which happened before all this
COVID stuff back in March. Back to you, Jason, Yeah,
and you're actually, for the first time in a while, guy,
is gonna see multiple sporting events kind of happening at
the same time. You're gonna be able to watch a
golf event that's actually live and then potentially watch a

(34:26):
NASCAR race if you want to. You actually have sports
plural to watch both in this country as well, like
you don't have to watch the Korean Baseball League today,
Not that you sett I think that's been a smart
play by ESPN and certainly smart by that Baseball Association
also to just try and raise their profile. But this
shows how starved we are for sports, no question about that.

(34:47):
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(35:33):
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We're live in the Fox Sports Radio studios. Were brought
to you by Geico. I'm really trying to figure out
why Sam Smith continues to say what he's saying about
Michael Jordan in the last Dance. He's claiming that, uh,

(35:54):
the idea that the flu game was actually food poisoning,
which is what was positive in the documentary. He said
it was altitude sickness, and that m J didn't actually
want to play, which sounds preposterous to me. But I'm
just wondering why he's talking. I don't know Sam Smith,
so I can't say for sure whether or not I
believe him, but I can tell you that he wouldn't

(36:15):
be doing a bunch of radio hits if he was
just saying, yeah, this whole thing was true. Everything Michael
Jordan said was true. There be no interviews, there'll be
no one talking here, There'll be no interest in anything
Sam Smith had to say. Remember Sam Smith and one
that wrote the Jordan Rules, which put him on the
outs with certain folks. So he's done the rounds. I mean,

(36:39):
he's done an awful lot as a matter of fact.
But he's claiming that there's a lot of things in
this documentary from Jordan's camp, from Jordan himself, flat out
lies that the altitude sickness in particular was a lie.
That that did not saying that was a lie. Here's
what he said. There are several things in the documentary
what I saw I would know that he made up
or he lied about. You know, there weren't major things,

(37:03):
but it was like when a TV movie comes on
and they say this is based on a true story,
that's what that was. It was based on a true story.
There were all the outlines of what happened, but a
lot of the detail, like the pizza thing, the poison,
that was complete nonsense. There were a couple of other
things like that I won't go into. Well, why Sam,
why if you're gonna come out and call him a

(37:26):
liar for one thing, why don't you come out and
call him a liar for everything? Why not just go
ahead and tell us they said they weren't major, but
the thing at the end was a complete blatant lie. Okay,
if they're not major, then why even mentioned this? And look,
I'm not gonna sit here and like defend Michael Jordan

(37:46):
from pillar to post. I know that some of this
was propaganda. It was also very entertaining and we're gonna
talk when we opened a second hour about Tom Brady's
nine part documentary it's gonna be on ESPN next year,
and the pros and cons there and some qualms that
we have with what we're gonna see, and there were
some things that you know, I took Ken Burns to

(38:07):
task a couple of weeks ago, and I might actually
come back and defend not my point, but defend what
kim Burne said a couple of weeks ago. If indeed
this is gonna become a trend, if it felt like
a one time thing, I sort of understood it. This
was definitely Michael Jordan looking back at Michael Jordan's more
than anything else, because there wasn't a ton of critique

(38:30):
to be done here. But I don't know that that's
what we all went into it for. We still saw
some pieces of Jordan that if he was trying to
gloss over everything, we never would have seen. But I
just don't get the like, Yeah, Sam Smith wrote a
book a long time ago, and I'm not saying don't
book the guy. And I know people that Fox have
and it's been they've been compelling interviews. But he wouldn't

(38:50):
be booked on these things if he wasn't telling you
things like that was a blatant lie. And then hey,
there were a lot of other things, but they weren't
that big a deal, So I'm not gonna tell you
what those are. Well, why if you're gonna call him
a liar for one thing that you might as well
call him out for all of it, because it's not
like you're saying that one thing doesn't tarnish his reputation
in terms of how seriously you take the documentary. You're

(39:12):
saying there's several other things doesn't help the situation. Be
specific or don't say things like that so that I'm
still trying to figure out exactly where he's coming from.
But there has to be some level of agenda Tom
Brady's documentary. We'll talk about that next second hour of
the program. Jason Martin Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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website and get your free rate quote today. Well what's up.
I hope you're well. I hope some of your life
might be returning more to normal. We do have some
crazy golf coming up later today. We'll talk some about
that in a bit. But we were talking a little

(40:15):
bit at the end the last hour about the Last
Dance and Sam Smith making the rounds to call Michael
Jordan a liar for some unknown reason. And now we
talk about what we all expected, which is once the
Last Dance comes out and does what it does, and
it was unique and that as many people watchington, I
think it would have done great anyway. There was the

(40:35):
out of benefit that we were all stuck at home
without live sports, so it made it a perfect storm.
This There could have been a better time to have
released the documentary. Remember, I clamored that they needed to
move it up, and they ended up doing that, not
because they heard me, but because it was obvious that
you do that and you maximize this window where everybody
is sitting at home and you just bank as much

(40:58):
as you can here. But we're going to see more
of this kind of thing that's that's obvious, that's clear
as day, And the first instance of that appears to
be in and the Tom Brady nine part documentary that

(41:19):
is called Man in the Arena, which is based off
a famous Roosevelt speech which he actually tweeted the speech
and said that it was on the weight room wall
at Michigan. Deadline broke the story, and you would assume
that this nine part are coming out next year off
the heels of a ten part Jordan's Dock Last Last Dance,

(41:40):
Dock that was so well done that this makes all
the sense of the world. Because but but you know what,
it makes sense, and then there's no way it can
live up to what we just saw. If you recall
before you got to see the Last Dance, when I
was previewing it for you because I had screened it
and had to write on the entire thing, I was

(42:02):
telling you that one problem the Last Dance was going
to illustrate was that, well, it doesn't get better than this.
This is Michael Jordan. Where do you go from Michael Jordan?
You go down. Yeah, you might come up with names
of other people that you might want to hear from
and see from, But how many of them had documentary
crews following them around for an entire season and had

(42:23):
all of that footage? Because so much of that was
crucial to that documentary, there has to be extreme planning.
I mean, this thing was done so long ago, and
it was originally going to be released, you know, at
a far different time. And I don't just mean this year,
I mean in the past, and there had to be
cooperation and all sorts of things like that. And I'm
not saying there's not footage available, and people have had

(42:46):
cameras around more than we know, but this was unprecedented access.
So my first question about the Tom Brady documentary is
where is the footage coming from that we haven't seen. Yeah,
I mean NFL films is everywhere. I mean, we used
to watch those highlights back on inside the NFL, especially

(43:06):
back in the day, like the Lynn Dawson years and
those you know, those slow motion cameras and everything else,
Steve Sable and all that stuff. Like, I mean, they
have a lot of footage. So maybe there's a lot
more here than we think there is. But the other
thing is the iconic nature of Michael Jordan's and if
you were trying to find, well, what's the closest thing

(43:28):
to Michael Jordan that exists today, it probably would be
Tom Brady in terms of how many championships he had
won with one organization and just how dominant he was
and how he had basically defined sport for a long
long time. Yeah, there have been other great players, and
I do mean all time grades. I mean you had
two of the top five quarterbacks of all time with

(43:49):
him and Payton Manning playing simultaneously throughout their entire careers.
Basically Brady still playing in Peyton now, well, he'll be
playing golf later on against Tom Brady. Because there's son
of us together, They're always going to be attached to hip.
But Tom Brady's greatness, in his championship pedigree and everything

(44:09):
that came along with it, his story certainly hits that
maybe greatest team sport athlete we've seen since Jordan's just
in terms of the success, the competitive nature, all of that,
and a lot of factors had to play right for
the Patriots, and one of them being belichicked obviously. But

(44:31):
there are those out there that are critiquing this, and
they're critiquing it because they don't think it's gonna be
interesting to watch a story of the New England Patriots
nine Super Bowls. And I will tell you that the
difference between the last dance and man in the arena today,

(44:52):
long before we see the ladder is the polarizing nature
of the key figure. Jordan might be a little bit
more polarized in coming out of the Last Dance It
maybe it affected how you felt about him. But Tom
Brady has always been bolar rizing always, And yeah, there's
been spy Gate, and there's been to flight Gate, and
there's been those things, and they've been blow ups on

(45:15):
the sidelines with Josh McDaniels and just the tom Brady
nous of Tom Brady at times. Even what turned out
to be the Hulu ad and how wild everybody went
over that one black and white photo trying to figure
out what it meant, reading into it, and then him
finally becoming a free agent deciding to go to Tampa Bay.
But I mean his life. I mean, dude used to

(45:37):
have a moat around his house. He's married to just
Cell Bunchin. He seems to be like almost untouchable. You
don't seem to be real. He doesn't really have that
much of a public face. He's not out doing a
bunch of interviews all the time. He's definitely got that

(45:57):
celebrity status about him. But he's been in polarizing because
he plays for a team that unless you're a fan
of them, you hate them. The Bulls were kind of
adopted with Jordan's as almost America's team in the NBA. Yeah,
the NBA has always risen and fallen first on the
Los Angeles Lakers and the Celtics right behind them. But

(46:18):
you think about the Bulls, and you think about those
nineties eras Bulls. Now. I actually started cheering against them
when Barkley and the Sons played him because I loved
Barkley so much and because I was just getting tired
of watching the same team win. But I never like
hated Jordan's but they were adopted by everybody. Now. When
the Patriots beat the Rams in that first Super Bowl,

(46:41):
the one where it was like, oh, was this ragtag bunch,
here's Shane Falco, Well, actually that's this guy named Tom Brady,
and they won that Super Bowl and it seemed like, wow,
that's quite a story. Then that story became less and
less fun for many, and then you saw like the
Falcon collapse and the comeback and the boring Super Bowl

(47:02):
with the Rams and just the aura of the Patriots,
and there was so much Patriots fatigue that I think
the sheer idea of watching Tom Brady firsthand, with his
production company attached to it describe his triumph over adversity

(47:24):
over and over again with a team that's not particularly
beloved outside of its own fan base. And by not
particularly I mean not at all. I think that rubs
people the wrong way before they ever see a second
of this. I also think that a lot of people
are lying if they say they're not interested in this,

(47:45):
because one thing that we have found out in this
industry that the crew out in l A and and
I work in, is that people say they don't want
to hear about stuff that they absolutely will never turn
off the radio when they start hearing about m It
doesn't mean that you always have to go there, but
it does mean that there is a lot of there's

(48:10):
a lot of fiction on social media in particular, but
people say things and then they do other things. Yeah,
Oh I don't want to hear you talk about Lebron James. Yeah,
but you're not turning it off if I start talking
about Lebron James, are you? I mean, how much airtime
did Brett for versus Aaron Rodgers get? How much airtime?

(48:33):
I mean, one of the most I hope you haven't
heard me do it, but during the last dance, I
was so disappointed in the level of discussion and debate
that came from that show because I thought it was
so surface and lazy. You watch that documentary and you
don't want to talk about the character studies within it

(48:57):
or any of that stuff. You just want to say,
so who was better? Was it MJ or was it
lb J? It's like, is that all you've got for
me is Lebron versus Michael after a temparty documentary like that?
You you ain't got nothing more from me than that,
just lazy stuff. But there are many things that you

(49:18):
can go to on a rainy day that people are
just like, oh this again, Yeah, this again. That's why
you're not getting out of your car. That's why people
do it. I mean, people are not programming over and
over again certain content when they know you're not going
to consume it. There's a reason why the Cowboys are
talked about so much. Yeah, it makes me roll my

(49:38):
eyes because I'm not a Cowboys fan, but I get it.
I understand. We'll talk about Dark Prescott before the end
of this show, promise, because we know we should, because
we know you're interested in that story. Whether you tell
us so or not, we know it tom Brady because

(50:00):
he's polarizing. You're going to watch this now. You might
watch it to try and poke holes in it and say, yeah,
look at him telling this rags the richest story, acting
like there was so much adversity and all of this.
I've always thought that Tom Brady was a pretty thoughtful, conscientious,

(50:22):
interesting guy when you actually hear him break stuff down,
when you hear the Howard Stern interview that he did
near the beginning of this pandemic, when he talked to
him for nearly two hours. If we can get some
of that guy in this documentary, I think it could
do him some good, just in terms of how people

(50:43):
view him. The thing about it is, I don't think
he cares. I think he wants to be loved like
anybody else. But I mean there's an argument out there
for why in the world should you care about someone
that dislikes you, whether or not they agree with you
or not. You know, like, I can't remember who was

(51:05):
that actually put this quote out there, but I've used
it on this show before and I think it perfectly
applies to social media. If you go there and people
say things that are negative to you, you know, call
you names or whatever, call you a moron because of
something that you've tweeted or whatever, Like, well, I mean,
whatever you're saying on social media, that's what you want
the world to see. Okay. The vast majority of the

(51:28):
people that send you stuff or see stuff or maybe
this is in my experience, certainly are people I've never
met and have no idea what they look like, and
never will meet. And the quote was, why would I
take criticism from somebody I would never take advice from now.
I'm not arrogant enough to think that there's not something

(51:49):
I could learn from every single person listening to me
right now. But if you generally don't like me, then
I'm not going to waste my time trying to change
that based on opinions. Like, if you don't like my opinions,
then okay, that's fine. Then you're probably just not gonna
like my opinions. But there's no reason for me to
alter my behavior in order to try and win you over.

(52:11):
If you've already decided that you dislike me, there are
plenty of people that do. I'm just gonna continue to
do me, you know, I'm going to continue to do
things my way, and I think that's where we are
with a Tom Brady. I don't think Tom Brady's out
there necessarily trying to win popularity contests. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe he is more vain than we think, but I

(52:33):
think when you think of vanity, you don't think of
Tom Brady necessarily compared to some of the other quarterbacks
through the years. He's got his own things. But the
biggest reason that there is controversy surrounding Tom Brady is
just because they've won so dagon often and there was
so much fatigue. It's the same thing as Alabama, It's
the same thing as any dynasty. I felt like that's
what we were getting with Golden State before the series,

(52:57):
where Durant had gotten hurt beforehand, and then you got
out the situation with Toronto and Kawhi learn. But that
might be the biggest issue for the Brady dot going in.
It's just he's not beloved and he never really was.
But that team is hated and the idea of watching
nine hours about that team might be a turn off

(53:19):
to some people. At least that's what they will tell
you before they set their DVRs and watch every bit
of it. I mean, you're talking about a guy that
I mean, you think about where he was drafted, the
chip on his shoulder, and the success that he has had.
It feels like there's gonna be some compelling stuff there.
I mean, I don't think there's any doubt about that.

(53:43):
But him having his own production company around there, that's
something will address when we come back. But I will
tell you this. This is Frank Schwab from Yahoo, who
I've actually interviewed in the past. He said, many of
you don't want to hear this, but Tom Brady is
the greatest success story in American sports history. People have

(54:04):
tired of Brady the New England Patriots, an annual success,
and the story of him being the pick of the draft,
but he has put together the greatest resume of any
NFL quarterback ever, the only six time Super Bowl winner
in league history. Every other greatest of all time Canada
and the other major sports was either a child prodigy,

(54:25):
high draft pick, or was a top prospect before hitting
the big leagues. Brady succeeded like nobody else in NFL
history after being an overlooked six round pick. There's some
fatigue with Brady, and then he goes on from there
into a point that I want to get into a
little bit more when we come back. Yeah, there's Patriots
fatigue and there's Brady fatigue. But don't tell me this

(54:47):
ain't Capella. Don't tell me that this guy's story, which
is so unique in the annals of the elites in
all of these sports, that that's not interesting, that that's
not a good bet for ESPN. Because you might think,
and you might even say out loud, I'm tired of

(55:08):
Tom Brady. I think you're still gonna watch this. More
of you will watch this than think you will today.
When you get down to it, your DVR will be
set for this thing. We'll continue to talk about it.
We'll bring in the crew and get their thoughts on
it as well. You can have your say with me
on Twitter at j mart Radio. Will be right back.
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Man in the Arena. I have heard some disappointed already,

(56:19):
even though they don't know what this is gonna cover,
because basically what they've been told is, or what we've
heard is it's going to be about all the Super Bowls.
They're upset. They're just like, well, if it's about spy
Gator deflate gate, I'm interested in that, are you. I mean,
this is another example of what I was telling you
in the first segment. You're just sick to death about
hearing about these things, but you can't but you're angry

(56:40):
that it's not going to be included in this What
exactly don't we know already about those two things that
we would find out here? Was there not coverage of
spy Gate into flate Gate. I seem to remember so
much coverage. I actually did go to the degree of

(57:02):
basically turning off all of the noise there were times
I had to talk about it, so I had to
be a little bit plugged into some degree. But the
difference in me and I think a lot of other
people is I get tired of it. I'm literally just
gonna move on. If I wasn't doing it for a living,
that is, I'm not ruin the position where I can
do that. But I don't think there's there's a whole

(57:25):
lot there there that we don't already know. Because spy
Gate was on our television screens every day for months,
because the flate Gate was on our television screens every
day for months, SNL is doing skits about it for
crying out loud. I like, how is that something novel?

(57:48):
Something new to do? Now? Ken Burns had said about
the Last Dance that that's not journalism, that's not at
all what you're taught in journalism, And yeah, big problems
with it because Jordan was part of it is his
production company, and you know, he had a lot of
control over the project. And at the time I was like, well,
that's what I want because I want to hear Jordan

(58:10):
tell his story. Now I understand that means we may
get some things changed and look like I said, I'm
not saying Sam Smith what I kind of took him
to task in the end the first hour. I'm not
saying Sam Smith is not being above board about what
he's saying. He may be dead right about all he's saying.

(58:33):
That's definitely gonna come. There's gonna be biased in favor
of Jordan. If Jordan's the guy behind it. You kind
of have to pick your poison here. Whoever it is
it's making a documentary's coming at it from some perspective
of the time. You're either gonna get one that Jordan's
associated with, where you get a lot of him talking,

(58:57):
which is kind of a rarity in terms of going
into detail about a lot of things that were going
on during his career, okay, or you get one that
doesn't have him included at all, that's basically a hit
piece of the two because it's Jordan's I would rather
have the one that has a ton of access to him,

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even if that means there's gonna be a little bit
of shortcake involved here. Let's be a little bit of
added dessert on the Jordan's side. Now, Brady's production company
One Productions, which of course where he was taken in
the draft. It's a part of the project. Here is Brady.

(59:42):
I'm excited to have my company On Productions be in
business with the ESPN and Disney, along with our religion
of Sports partners, to launch this new series that gives
an inside look into the championship moments I've been blessed
to experience through the series, where you're defining the key
moments and challenges that were seemingly insurmountable but through hard

(01:00:03):
work and perseverance, became career defining triumphs in both victory
and defeat. This compelling and powerful show will entertain, inspire,
and have you on the edge of your seat. We
can't wait to share it with the world. I'm looking
forward to watching it. I don't think that it's a
trend that we want to get into where the subjects,

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especially when there are obviously pros and cons to every
subject as a person, because we're all human and flawed
and broken. I don't think it's a good trend for
long documentary series to be helmed. We're heavily attached to

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production companies run by said subject. So I kind of
sound hypocritical here because I was in favor of it
happening with Jordan's. But I also think Jordan's sort of unique.
I know tom Brady again, it is the closest thing
we've seen to Jordan in terms of the team sport
athlete because of the competitive nature and the level of success,
the championships, the goat status, all that. But I still

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think Michael's sort of different than everybody else. Doesn't mean
that I want a nine part documentary series about Tom
Brady without his involvement at all, because I don't want
to see a hit piece on Tom Brady either, So
I don't. I'm kind of torn here, but I am

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wary of propaganda pieces for various athletes that want to
take victory laps. And let me give you one other
little caveat I have about this series in advance, and again,
we don't know what it's actually gonna look like just
yet either. Tom Brady now plays for the Tampa Bay Bucks, too,

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your deal. I think he retires at the end of it,
which I have predicted since before he made his selection.
I said two years and out. If I'm Tampa Bay,
I don't know how thrilled I am that we're about
to relive nine championships and remember that he was a
New England Patriot, because I think they already have to

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feel some level of insecurity because he's never going to
be seen as a buck even if he wins two
super Bowls and then retires. I think he's gonna win
zero and retire. But if he wins two and retires,
they're still not going to see him as a Tampa
Bay buccaneer. Yeah, people knew Michael Jordan played for the
Washington Wizards, but did you care? Do you think of

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him that way? No? Brett Farve played for two other
organizations after he left the Green Bay Packers, but maybe
only because the Vikings got close to a Super Bowl?
Do you even remember or any of that? And then
the Jets You may remember it because of jin Sturger Sturger,

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But Tom Brady is always gonna be a Patriot. And
a nine part documentary series nine hours of remembering his
highlights and triumphs probably that come after mediocre to decent
results in Tampa Bay. Ten wins, nine wins, whatever it's
gonna be, they'll be good. I don't think they're gonna
win a super Bowl. That's just gonna reinforce who he

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was and what he's always gonna be, which is the
quarterback of the New England Patriots during that dynastic twenty
year run in Foxboro. So this is it's interesting, like
you would want this if you're Tampa Bay, to come
out after Brady's career, not while he's playing for you,

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because he's not gonna be wearing a Bucks uniform at
any point in this documentary unless they show it at
the very end, and I doubt they even do that. Again,
he says, through the series, we're defining the key moments
and challenges that were seemingly insurmountable but through hard work
and perseverance, became career defining triumphs in both victory and defeat.

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The other thing I don't really need is for Tom
Brady to be Tony Robbins or Joel lo Stinging or
somebody like that. Like I don't need the self help here.
Doesn't mean you can't deliver positive messages through storytelling in documentaries.
I think there were positive and negative messages you could
take away from the Last Dance. Perseverance, which I think

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applies to both m J and to Tom Brady certainly
a positive, but competitive to a fault, maybe competitive word
to where it's tough to enjoy one championship because you're
looking for the next. I think there's something to be
said for that being negative to making sure you have
the right thing on the pedestal in your life, that

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your priorities are in order, and if they're out of whack,
then nothing's gonna bring you the happiness, contentment, long lasting
that you really want. But at the same time, I
said about Jordan's if Jordan wasn't the guy at the
end of the last dance who said, man, we could
have won seven, meaning if they had brought the band

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back one more time and all of that deal, if
he hadn't been the guy that said that, he wouldn't
have won three. So yeah, it seemed like he was
so disappointed that all he won was six, But it
was because of that that he won six. There's always
trade offs. There are trade offs there. It's cost benefit

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analysis to be done in everything. Very few things subjectively
boiled themselves down to being zero sum games. But I
don't love that we have another long documentary series where
the subject the key figure, it's his production company behind it,

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because it just opens up questions that otherwise might not exist.
But again, we don't know what's going to be shown.
We don't know the level of vulnerability we may see
from Brady throughout this thing. As I've said, I was pleasantly.
I don't know if i'd say surprised, but you just
you had never heard Tom Brady as open as you

(01:06:32):
heard him with Stern. Because of that interview, I feel
like we have a chance to still get kind of
a good give and take and some pros and cons
from Tom Brady's own mouth about his career and about
his Super Bowls and about his time in New England
and everything else. Do I think He's gonna bury Bill
Belichick and this thing? Probably not. I mean, if he

(01:06:54):
does at this point, I don't know what it would hurt,
but I I doubt it. It doesn't strike me as
something he would do. And maybe if it's just a
propaganda piece and a victory tour, then it will be
pretty boring. Halfway through will realize it and move on.
But I tend to think if they're going to greenlight this, yeah,
Brady has a celebrity status, so it makes sense to

(01:07:16):
give it a go. But if you're gonna devote this
kind of air time and even if you're Tom Brady,
if you're gonna put together something this long, there's gotta
be some meat on this bone, or it's a disaster
waiting to happen. We all have. There are so many examples,
especially on Netflix, of series that felt like they had
to have ten episodes or twelve episodes of an hour

(01:07:37):
long when they didn't have that much of a season,
when they'd have been much better off not having to
fill that time. Because it's Netflix and you're not, you
don't have to fill a certain number of episodes. Here's
my season. It's seven episodes. Three of them are thirty
five minutes and the other four are somewhere between forty
and fifty minutes long, and then the finale is an
hour or whatever it is. You're on Netflix, so you

(01:08:00):
can make those decisions. The Tom Brady documentary doesn't have
to be nine hours. Everyone being a Super Bowl year. Okay,
maybe you roll your eyes at that, but that's just
because of your Patriots fatigue. I think it's probably a
gamble worth taking. I just the one ninety nine productions thing.
It's not that I want to agree with Ken Burns

(01:08:20):
on this, because I don't as it relates to Jordan's
I just don't want to see this become the trend.
I think Jordan was a different case because he's one
of the most famous people to ever live, at least
in our generation. Let's go to another famous person. His
name is Brian Finley. He's out in l a and
find out what's happening and shaking in the world of sports.

(01:08:40):
B Jason, what is going on? Legendary college basketball coach
Jetie Sutton passed away on Saturday due to natural causes.
Less than two months ago, the Nate Smith Hall of
Fame included him in its class. His resume entails twenty
five trips to the n C Double A Tournament. He
got to the Big Dance with four different teams. He

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was eighty four years old. An NBA return is gaining traction.
The league has struck up talks with the Walt Disney Company,
intending to use their elaborate sports complex in Orlando as
the staging grounds for the rest of the NBA season.
The twenty property would turn into a bubble that would
be closed off from the public. The NBA has yet

(01:09:23):
to determine if they would finish out the regular season
or go directly to the playoffs, and according to ESPN,
the league will get more details on how this intricate
plan could work during the Board of Governors meeting this
coming Friday, and the reports are that it would be
probably realistic that things would get going in late July

(01:09:43):
as far as actual games being played. And then later
today NASCAR back at it with the Coke six hundred
on Fox TV six pm Eastern Time is when the
green flag drops and that race a week ago was
their first race since the poema due to COVID nineteen
and it drew over six million views. And Jason, I

(01:10:05):
hear you talking about Tom Brady. I just think that
this would be a documentary that would be so boring.
I just don't think he's gonna say anything. It's like
when we're in fourth grade and the teacher rolls up
that TV into the classroom and you watch an old
history documentary that just can't keep your attention. I feel
like that's something that would we we would get if

(01:10:25):
watching a Brady documentary. Why do you think he wouldn't
say anything because he's never said anything yet. Wait a second,
with the I agree with you right up until I
heard that Howard Stern interview where for two hours he
talked about how he realized that, you know, his marriage
was in trouble because he was taking and not giving
and he had to learn to serve. There was a

(01:10:46):
vulnerability and there was a difference in that Tom Brady
that I feel like maybe always existed, but he never showed.
And it's because of that interview that I think that
there's a more personable guy that's itching to get out,
that was stuck behind the Patriots a that now might
actually be a lot more approachable and interesting than he
otherwise would have been. I feel you there, and we're

(01:11:07):
gonna see that soon, because if he begins to be
more of the personality that you saw and that we
were hearing from that interview, then you might be honest something.
But until I see more of that personality come through,
I'm still gonna be thinking that it's the Tom Brady
that is just trying to be, you know, to himself
and keep quiet and not say anything very interesting. I mean,

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I think a lot of people agree with you. I
hope you're wrong, just because that would be absolutely terrible. TV.
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I don't think that will happen. If Tom Brady didn't

(01:11:50):
want to say anything, then why in the world would
you do a nine hour documentary like you Like I said,
you can make it four, you can make it three,
you can make it one, you can make it zero.
He didn't need the money, he don't need the exposure,
He don't need any of this. I think the reason
you do this is to shock people by what you
do say, not confirm that you're not gonna say anything.

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I think this becomes a slam dunk grand slam for
Tom Brady if he's simply able to shock people by
saying stuff. And the guy that you heard from on
Howard Stern, is a guy that's no longer a part
of the Patriot way where no one ever said much

(01:12:38):
of anything, where the biggest news was a couple of
scandals or the fact that there was a Donald Trump
maga hat in somebody's locker. Yeah, I mean the Patriots
had some things going on, but there are people never
said anything interesting. Now Brady gets out. As soon as
he gets out, he does this interview with Howard Stern

(01:12:59):
where he's vulnerable and open and very compelling. And now
you find out there's a nine part documentary that's going
to start next year. It's gonna run on ESPN about
those nine Super Bowls, but about but it's not a
Patriots run thing. It's a Tom Brady run thing. And
if Tom Brady is more the guy we've seen in

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if that's the guy that's always been there that now
has the opportunity to go out there and be that
guy in the twilight of his career, then I think
you have a chance, if you're Brady, if you're ESPN,
if you're everybody associated with this project, to just wow
everybody because of vulnerability, because of weakness shown. One of

(01:13:42):
the things about the Last Dance that was so interesting,
and one of the reasons it was so well done,
is because, yeah, we knew Jordan was an unbelievable competitor,
the greatest competitor, the most driven competitor we've ever seen.
But you saw flaws and blemishes in a way you've
never had before, and it humanized him. It brought balance

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between him and us. And you're thinking to yourself, if
that guy was still I think, dealing with some insecurity issues,
just in terms of needing you to know he was
the greatest, not being secure in the fact that we

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did always holding the slights, all those things, the grudges
that he held, signs to me that he was just
not fully content if it was that guy, But it
was that vulnerability, it was that humanity we saw at
different times in the last Dance, and I thought made
it so much more interesting, whatever flaws you want to

(01:14:48):
think that it had. If Brady just tells nine boring
stories about Super Bowls, yeah, that would be terrible. But
I just think he's too smart to put that out there.
If that's all the is here. So I'm airing on
the optimistic side that says that the Tom Brady post
Patriots is gonna say some stuff, maybe more compelling stuff

(01:15:11):
than Jordan's said, just because a lot of the Jordan's
stuff we expected and or had already heard through other sources.
Brady still actively playing and yet maybe he doesn't want
to burn bridges. So maybe it's not napalm here, But
because he's never said virtually anything until that stern interview.
At least he's got a lot he can say, even

(01:15:36):
the fifty percent level stuff, not even the hundred level.
He's probably gonna impress people or shock them, or lead
to a lot of content on sports talk radio. So
I think you're selling this thing short if you think
that he's not gonna say something, because I just don't
see why you do a nine hour documentary if you
don't have anything to say. I think you do a
nine hour documentary if you've been dying to say some

(01:15:58):
stuff and just never half food for thought. We'll be
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Sports Radio studios. Brought to you by Geico. I'm blessed
beyond measure, all reasonable and otherwise. Hope you recognize that
you are as well. Hope things are good in your
life as good as can be expected, and hope they're
getting back to normal. Hope sanity has taken over in
your state. We talked pretty much this hour exclusively about
the Tom Brady documentary, and I said right before the break,
I feel like Tom Brady is too smart to agree

(01:16:43):
to a nine part documentary series or to be at
the helm of it his production company, to be at
the helm of a nine part documentary series about him
where he's not gonna say anything of of relevance. I mean,
where he's just gonna be dulls a door new. I
feel like you do this because you've had a lot
to say, and there's many things that you want to

(01:17:03):
say that you just haven't. You only get one chance
sometimes to tell some stories. Yeah, you know, there's always
that story that you know your wife will tell you,
Oh yeah, why don't you tell him this story when
we're at this dinner party and she's heard it fifteen times?
But you tell it every time anyway, or some people
just want to hear it from time to time so
you retell it. But here tom Brady has an opportunity,

(01:17:28):
I think. And we talked about novelty off the top
of the show as well, with the n b A
and my idea to do a tournament with maybe expanding
it out a little bit longer to do it, similar
to what the NHL seems to be on the verge
of doing, which is brilliant to me, thinking outside the
box and doing something novel in novel times because with
novelty comes value and I don't think it places as

(01:17:50):
an asterisk on it to do it that way. But
you've got ultimate novelty here with Tom Brady because he's
a guy that hasn't said much of the two. Was
Peyton Manning that talked more. He was more the you know,
affable celebrity type. He's the one that would go on
Saturday Night Live and just tear it up, and Brady

(01:18:12):
just kept more to himself and spent time with his
family and played football in one championships and seemed unapproachable.
But Brady has a golden opportunity, I think, because we
see him as that guy to then actually open his
mouth and say the things that we've never heard him say.

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And again I urge you go to YouTube or wherever
you can find it and listen to his nearly two
hours with Howard Stern from earlier this year during the pandemic,
when he talked about everything, including his marriage and how
they had to go to counseling because he was too
selfish about his time. And he talked about the Patriots,

(01:18:57):
and he talked about feeling unappreciated, and he talked about
a lot stuff. And Finley, when I was talking to
him during the update, he said, you know, I don't
expect him to say anything, but if we could get
more of that guy, well, I think that's the guy
we've never gotten any of before because he played for
an organization that frowned on that kind of communication. Now
he doesn't. Now he's the guy. He's not in Belichick land,

(01:19:20):
he's not in a Patriots uniform, so now he can
tell us some stories. And and because he's got such
a blank he's got a blank canvas with which to
spend this art. And I think there could be a
home run here. Even though people are gonna dog this
thing because of his because he's Tom Brady, because he's
not universally beloved, I still think there is value here

(01:19:44):
people are missing, And the biggest value is the novelty
of Tom Brady having the chance to say some stuff.
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you're doing well out there. Certainly glad to have you
as a part of the audience here wherever you happen
to be across the country. So I told you that
there are things that we know in this industry that
we should cover and there are things that we know
we shouldn't. For instance, if you want me to show

(01:20:59):
you a sports talk station that's struggling in your market,
then all you have to tell me is which one
of them is talking more hockey. And I'm not saying
that because I hate hockey. It was actually enjoy it,
but just because I know what people listen to and

(01:21:20):
what they don't. You find that out. You see the numbers,
you see the interaction, you see all of these things.
So I said that it made sense for a Tom
Brady doc in nine part are because even though people
say they have Brady fatigue, they're still going to be
intrigued to see this, even if just to confirm that
they don't like the guy. But I also mentioned that

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one of the things that it's consistently talked about is
the Dallas Cowboys, and there's a reason because people can't
get enough of it, America's team and Jerry Jones and
the glitz and the glamour and everything else that goes
around Jerry World. So let's talk about dark Prescott with

(01:22:11):
that in mind. Prescott who still hopes to leap frog
Russell Wilson and make the most of any quarterback in
the league. You had that crazy story about forty five
million dollars, that's absurd, seems to have been debunked completely.
Edward Are pretty much shut that down. Chris Sims shut

(01:22:33):
it down to I believe. But word Are said on
Friday that a five year deal is a quote non
starter unquote for Dak Prescott, meaning to him, he wants
a four year extension so we can go back and
test the market again around his thirtieth birthday. Remember I

(01:22:57):
told you that the prime year, the year where you
start to see a decline in a quarterback in the
NFL statistically historically, is twenty nine. So he wants to
test the market pretty much right after that, which makes sense.
Right around time you turn thirty, that's when you probably
do want to go ahead and ink that next long
contract if you can, and then you have that short one,

(01:23:18):
and then you're probably near the end of your career.
And that's if everything goes well for Dac and he
hasn't deal with a lot of injuries, and you never know,
but you know Dak was turning down money, and so
they do the franchise deal, and when that happens and
then you bring in Andy Dalton, the stories then start
to spiral about and the questions begin to be asked

(01:23:39):
about whether or not Dak Prescott is worth the money
he is asking for. And if you look at the
way the quarterback salary market goes in terms of how
guys are paid, next guy in line gets more, blah
blah blah, then Dak is certainly in that list. When
you look at his numbers. There are things that you

(01:24:00):
can take away where you can say, well, he benefits
from Zeki, benefits from an offensive line. All of that.
I was very down on Dak Prescott before the beginning
of last year. I just thought he was kind of
middle of the road, and then I thought he played
pretty well. I saw things that I liked. One of

(01:24:20):
the things I didn't like two years ago was it
just seemed like his accuracy wasn't there. I saw him
throwing over Michael Gallup and missing that guy way too often.
It's just like, I don't know if that's going to change,
and if you're not accurate, I don't know how good
you can be. I like his moxie, I like his attitude.
I like his competitive nature. I like his physicality at

(01:24:43):
the quarterback spot I see. I really felt like he
had good intangibles. And I don't think contract disputes means
all of a sudden he's got character concerns because he doesn't.
He just bes trying to get paid like anybody Else's
the one thing that did stand out and I saw this.
I think it was the ESPN Stats and Info put

(01:25:05):
it together, but I crushed. I did my list of
six most overrated figures in sports right around and I
did it a couple of years ago on My Daily show,
and then I brought it to this show and attached
some of those names to it, and one of the
guys on that list with Kirk Cousins, and it was

(01:25:28):
just like, show me a game that matters that he
has won, and think about the money that he was
paid and how much better has he actually been than
case Keenum for the Minnesota Vikings. And I saw, and
I've seen flashes of great things from Kirk Cousins, but
I also see if you go in primetime, you're planning
against great competition. He's not somebody you probably want out there.

(01:25:50):
He's not who you need on that wall. He's not
who you want on that wall, Colonel Jessop style. But
if I'm gonna crush Kirk Cousins the way that I
have for his lack of success in big games against
good competition, then I have to be very careful to

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apply that universally to everybody else, apply the same metric,
the same standard. Here's Dak Prescott chart. Again, I think
from stats and info a ESPN Dak Prescott versus good competition,
his record against teams with nine or fewer wins it's

(01:26:36):
thirty five and eleven. His touchdown interception ratio is seventy
five to seventeen. His QBR, which is not a stat
I love, but because it's ESPN staff, they're gonna throw
it in there, seventy two point nine, and his rank
with that seventy two point nine is second in the league. Again,

(01:27:00):
teams of ten or more wins, He's five and thirteen,
just twenty two touchdowns to nineteen interceptions, just plus three,
whereas nine or fewer. Oh, I'm trying to do math here,
it is plus fifty eight QBR nine or fewer. With

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seventy two point nine ten or more, fifty five point three,
that's good for nineteenth instead of second. In twenty nineteen,
Cowboys went eight and eight, lost the NFC East to
the Eagles who were nine and seven, and against those

(01:27:46):
ten win teams, the Dallas Cowboys in nineteen went oh
and five eighteen career games against teams with temple us wins,
and he's won five of them. Those aren't good numbers.

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And the main reason I killed Kirk Cousins wasn't because
he wasn't talented, because he couldn't win the games that
he needed to win, to make the money he was making.
It wasn't that I said he was overrated just because
of how hyped he wasn't how much money he was making,
not that he was a scrub. And when I look
at this, I'm like, well, what's the difference between my

(01:28:28):
argument against Kirk Cousins and what I just read to
you in terms of Dak Prescott's struggles against good competition?
And the answer is not a whole heck of a
lot quite frankly, So if I'm gonna put Kirk Cousins
in that list, and how can I now be impressed

(01:28:50):
with Dak Prescott. I did think he took strides and
felt like he felt like a better quarterback to me
last year, but those numbers are hard to deny. And
how much of that is the Cowboys deal? How much
of it was the you know figurehead that was Jason Garrett,
the lame duck session that was going on throughout the
entire season, when we pretty much finally figured out that

(01:29:13):
Jerry Jones wasn't actually going to keep Jason Garrett forever,
just almost forever. There was a lot of turmoil on
that team. There was Zeke and his money before the
year and everything that was going on there. So they're
always unforeseen circumstances here. And maybe you know what, if
I went back and I actually meticulously went through every

(01:29:34):
one of those kirk Cousins games in prime time against
great competition, I'm sure I could find reasons that would
mitigate to some degree his failings. But if I apply
to same metric, then Dak Prescott isn't really worth the

(01:29:54):
money he's asking for either were He's certainly not worth
what I think Kirk Cousins is making because I don't
think kirk Cousins is worth that money. And don't get
me wrong, You're worth whatever somebody's willing to pay you.
Just so happens, there's a lot of dumb teams. I mean,
talk to the Jacksonville Jaguars about it. But how much

(01:30:17):
of Dax numbers that I read to you about how
he's done against good teams are on him, I don't know.
I don't have all of the information in front of
me to look at every one of those games. Numbers
can lie, They can certainly deceive or make something out
to be worse than it actually is. But Dak Prescott,

(01:30:43):
because of where he plays, if they think he can
be the future and win a lot of games for them,
then he's probably worth it a lot of money. Let's
be real, the Dallas Cowboys are the team. Doesn't mean
they're the winning franchise, but they're the one that when
they are on top, they are on top in terms

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of everybody's opinion. You can argue whoever America's team is,
but Dallas Cowboys in that afternoon window on Fox, that's
what everybody's gonna watch at least, And by everybody, I
mean not the hardcore fans that are watching their specific
market teams, but the vast majority of just the country's
gonna tune in to watch that Dallas Green Bay game

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in the afternoon. That's why they're on all the times,
why they're on in prime time. So Dak is twenty six,
he's pretty good, but he hasn't had success against great teams,
and he's trying to get paid. They're bringing Andy Dalton,
whose numbers, when you look at them, you're just like, well,

(01:31:46):
how much worse off for the Dallas Cowboys with Andy
Dalton is their quarterback than Dak Prescott is their quarterback.
And I've heard arguments on all sides of that equation.
I would actually look at it and flip side and say,
what would Dak Prescott have done in Cincinnati if he
had been the quarterback instead of Andy Dalton there? Because

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these are not you can't do this first of all,
but you think of the challenges that Andy Dalton faced,
the constant injuries to A. J. Green, the coaching turmoil,
the lack of skill, position talent, just a lot of
issues there. And they've addressed some of those things. But

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we're about see how good Joe Burrow actually is because
he's now in that scenario, in that circumstance, How good
do you think Dak would have been in Cincinnati? If
you want to ask, well, what would Andy Dalton have
done in Dak's place? What would Dac have done in
Andy Dalton's place? The same? Probably maybe a little better.

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How much better is Dak Prescott than Andy Dalton? I
think in terms of the highs when Doc is on fire,
I think from his just the nature of how he plays,
the winning mentality, and even I think at times the
electricity with which he can kind of ignite the fuse.
I don't see that very often from the red rifle,

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but Andy Dalton doesn't go out and lose you a
bunch of games either. Andy Dalton is game manager most
of the time, but can be pretty talented and seems
to be an affable guy just like Dak does. But
Dak has more explosive in him. And of the two,
if you want, if one of them is going to
be a star, it's gonna be Dak Prescott. In terms

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of the guy doing commercials and endorsements and you know,
being fun to listen to. Nothing, it's Andy Dalton. But
the guy that's going to move that needle is always
gonna be Dak Prescott. So there's been there's been a
lot of misinformation out there. There was never forty five
million dollar a year request, but the Cowboys Edward or

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again saying look, no new offer in more than a month,
but they're in striking range. Is how he phrases it.
Of a possible deal that would pay Prescott about thirty
five annually and that would be before that deadline where
he would sign that thirty one point four franchise attack

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and they could do that before July. And if he's
making thirty five million a year, here's my question to you,
is Dak Prescott worth thirty five million dollars a year
to you tweet me at j Mart Radio. You can
tell me exactly what you think about that, especially in
light of the stats I read you about his success
against teams with ten or more wins. But again, the

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way the quarterback market works and how gods are paid
in line and everything else until there's a reset and
you think about what Jared Goff got, Is Dak Prescott
worth that money? With all of that in mind, it's
not as simple as just he's good enough to make
that money. He's not good enough to make that money.
There's more or to it than that. Yeah, that's the

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nuts and bolts, but nothing's ever that simple. Before we
get to the break. Actually, know what, we'll get to
the break now. When we come back, I'll bring in
the crew and ask them their thoughts on the Dak
Prescott situation and read some of your tweets as well.
Think again, of eighteen games that Dak Prescott has played

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against teams with ten or more wins, just keep this
in mind, five and thirteen with a thirty two QBR,
which is good for nine in the NFL. And if
you were on my side of the kirk Cousins argument,
which I know many of you were. Then it's tough
not to apply similar standards to Dak Prescott in this situation,

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because those stats are exactly the reason why I said
Kirk Cousins is vastly overrated, not that he's not good,
but that the hype doesn't match the results. We'll be
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I like it in l A. It wasn't some type
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That was velvet revolver. Oh gosh, that's all right. What
was still Scott Wiland? It threw me off? That's right?

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Was that contraband or contract with slither? Yeah? Slither off
of contraband I think was the album. Yeah, all right,
well I had the lead singer, right, you did? You
got me. I'm not happy about it, not at all.
Is about a fact, but so Dak Prescott. I said

(01:37:08):
this before the break, and actually somebody tweeted me during
the break said, Hey, as a Bengals fan, I would
have rather had Andy Dalton over Dak Prescott. Look, I'm
not going there. I just suggested to you. I'm not
trying to compare the two of them. I'm just saying
that because of my earlier opinions on Kirk Cousins being
paid a ton of money that I didn't necessarily think

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his actual play had lived up to based on his
record in prime time and his record against winning teams.
If I'm gonna make that argument, which I already have,
then I kind of have to look at Dak differently
than I did before this past season. Two years ago,
I said he was middle of the road, and then
I felt like he had improved, even though the Cowboys

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were eight and eight and all that, because there was
so much going on that Dak could not control with
that organization, with Gary It and everything else. But when
I read those stats, I'm reading to you again that
I'm gonna bringing the crew and get their thoughts on Doc.
But it's his status are it's mind boggling nine or
a fewer playing against teams with nine a fewer wins

(01:38:13):
thirty five and eleven, ten or more wins, five and
thirteen touchdown interception ratio seventy five to seventeen, and then
twenty two to ninety in those teams with ten or
more wins, total QBR drops seventeen points from seventy two
point nine to fifty five point three. That makes his
rank drops seventeen spots from second to nineteen. Now, yes, obviously,

(01:38:37):
if you're playing against better teams, your record is probably
not gonna be as good as it's gonna be against
nine and a fewer. I get that, but it's how
badly he has played in those eighteen games, and he's
owing five and twenty nineteen against ten win teams and
that was, you know, one game short, but the Cowboys
finishing eight and eight, they were one game short of

(01:38:57):
the NFC East, which was certainly open because nobody was
very good in that division last year. And Doak is
still trying to get paid. He doesn't want to sign
that franchise tender, and they're trying, and Edward or seems
to be indicating they're moving towards a deal where he
will get thirty five million year, which will get him
either right at or above the Russell Wilson number. And

(01:39:20):
so now I bring in the crew out in l A. Who, Look,
you're not Cowboys fans, but look, we do this for
a living, so we are always paying attention to what's
happening in Dallas. And Dak has been a topic of
discussion off and on for months. Really, I think it
would have been talked about more, except Tom Brady sucked
up a lot of the oxygen during the quest to

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find out where he was gonna play or not play,
and and the fallout from that decision, he just soaked
up a lot, and then you had the NFL Draft
and then he had a pandemic going on. But is
Dak Prescott worth the money if it's thirty five million year?
Is Dak Prescott a guy that you look at and
think is better than out over the road, Or when

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you hear those stats against good teams, do you think, Okay,
well he's Kirk Cousins. At which point I don't know
that I would pay him that much money. I wouldn't
be paying him. I mean I would. I mean, I'm
sure there's numbers out there. I've never really been I'm
always been more of a U eye test guy versus
stats guy. It's probably because I hate math to begin with,
but I was always on the side that I feel

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like the offense in Dallas runs through Zeke in the line,
not the QB play. I don't. I don't feel like
DA's winning you games. I feel like Zeke's winning you games.
And then you throw out numbers against good teams like that,
and it just only solidifies your like points that point
out his shortcomings. And in in NFL and sports, it's
very much what have you done for me lately? And
you look back to you just recently the last few

(01:40:44):
weeks last year, it was very much win in your
in situation, and then you loose to Philly. You know,
it's like, the the rewards are the means don't justify
the rewards. I feel in Das case, and there's plenty
of numbers and trends, I feel like you could point
out where even when they do win, it's not really
him winning these games. For him, and in order to
lock up that much salary for a guy who's not

(01:41:05):
the one, who's not the focal point, you're handcuffing your
team in many ways. So it's like, what if you
do lock it up and then he regresses instead of
propelled excels. I mean, you're gonna have a lot of
questions to answer. I mean, and Jerry Jones is very
much loyal to a fault in a lot of these instances,
So I feel like he's taught he's tossing him a
bone it this way, and then you're gonna you're gonna
ring him dry, and then you're gonna you're gonna handcuff

(01:41:27):
your team to a salary that you're not gonna be
able to live up to. And it's just it's I
wouldn't be paying him, that's for sure. All Right, let
me read something real quick and then we'll get the
rest of your thoughts as well. And you may want
to respond to this, Eric, but this form ESPN stats
and info, over his career, Prescott has a higher total
QBR on plays with Elliott off the field than he
does with him on seventy one point three to seventy

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point three from sixteen to nineteen, meaning two thousand sixteen
to two thousand nineteen. The only qualified quarterback with at
least to seventy one point three QBR is Patrick Mahomes.
He is better without Elliott on the field, although it's close.
There's a similar split with his yards per tempt seven
point six five with oh it seven point five three

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without and first down percentage of past attempts thirty seven
percent with thirty five without. As a team, Dallas is
third down percentage without Elliott forty three point five is
better than with him forty three point three. So there's
I know what you're saying, and I know how valuable
Zeki Elliott can be, but the numbers seem to indicate

(01:42:30):
that it's a lot closer than yeah. And I feel
like it's kind of, you know, when when Zeke's on
the field, you're gonna kind of okay, you're gonna lean
a little more towards run a, You're gonna be a
little more aware of, you know, stacking the box stuff
like that. So I feel, you know, the numbers, can
you know? Again, I said, I'm an eye test kind
of guy, but I just I don't feel like Dac
is the reason the Cowboys are in games. When they're

(01:42:50):
in games and winning, you know, I feel like money shouldn't.
Does Dac deserve a pay day? Yeah? Does he? Is
he back in of you know, the hierarchy of the
f L qbs. No. Is he closer to the upper
echelon maybe, But I definitely don't think he should be
getting paid what he's asking for. He's not the guy yet.
Maybe there is that top ten I'd say, like maybe

(01:43:13):
second ten, maybe like the ten of twenty range. Yeah.
I mean I've always seen him or I used see
him around like I think maybe he's maybe a little better.
It's not a buster. I'm not saying he's out there.
You know, he's not. He doesn't deserve to get paid.
You know, he's he's a good QB on a good team.
But what he's asking for, I don't think so. Not
coming off of a season where you didn't win your

(01:43:34):
division in a crappy division and you you lost to
the Eagles in a win and you're in kind of situation.
What what two weeks left in the year. You know,
I think the one thing that you can look at
I said this at the time, and I like Doc
and I love that he's gotten an opportunity, But Romo
wasn't done when he was replaced. I think that's one
thing you can go back and look at and say,

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I don't know that that was a good decision at
the time. Now, you don't want to spend somebody until
they're done. And obviously Romo has been just fine since
he decided, or since he moved on from football and
decided to hop into the broadcast booth, he's been a
dagon revelation. But I still thought Tom Tony Romo was
the guy that was gonna win more games for Dallas

(01:44:15):
for a couple of years, and they moved him out
to Pasture a little bit early and moved to Doc
and Doc had success. But that team there was a
lot of they were uncommonly healthy, and they were just
on fire, and they haven't ever duplicated that portion again,
so I think maybe it looked they were like Dallas
colored glasses that made Dac out to be a little

(01:44:37):
bit better at that point in time than he was.
But again, I'm so I still think he's milled the road,
but probably on the better end the middle of the road. Chris,
where are you on Doc? In terms of the money
he wants and where you see his value. I don't
know where I see his value because I just I
view these things less about if a guy deserves the
money and more about if they can get it or not.

(01:44:58):
Like when it's the NFL, beggars just emp he choosers
and everyone's a beggar in the NFL when it comes
to their quarterback. The question for me and my mind
is always like, yeah, I don't think he's like if
we're doing this in a straight up universe, I don't
think he's worth the money that he's asking for. But
I guess the question for Dallas is what's your alternative?

(01:45:18):
And I think I think the reason why it's been
going hard for Dak right now, why these stories are
coming and he's playing hardball right now, is I think
Dac knows his his time for this leverage is kind
of limited. He's got to strike now to get the
money while he can, because otherwise, like it's kind of
open a little bit more for the Cowboys to get
a quarterback in the near future than I think they

(01:45:40):
anyone kind of realizes it would. It would be a
problem because they would have to try to slot in
then a rookie quarterback if they get one in the draft.
But if right now, if like something happens and it
all fall falls apart for some reason, dak Knot is
not playing like that second string is still is probably
a huge wit, still a huge wind delta downwards for

(01:46:01):
for the Cowboys, Like I don't know if that's the
reason they're winning games, but he's also the reason they're not.
They're not just straight up losing them too. And that's
the case of any UH quarterback in the NFL. The
differences between backup and starter are so stark. It's why
it's created these market problems. And for Dad himself, I
think he realizes that and he's just trying to get

(01:46:23):
that money, get the money right now because he realizes
he's got the leverage right now in this kind of
in this negotiation. I don't I as a quarterback itself,
evaluating him individually, I don't think he's that stellar. I
don't think he's that great. But at the same time,
it's not like the Cowboys don't have options here there

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As as I said before, beggars can't be choosing in
this league. They're they're a beggar right now. This from
the big lead. In his first year, Prescott through for
thirteen touchdowns and four interceptions against above five teams and
compiled a six and three record including the offs. That's
what I was indicating about how good he was early,
which I think is why they moved to him and

(01:47:05):
moved on, you know, moved past Tony Romo, I think
too early. Since then, his touchdown to interception ratio is
twenty five and twenty five. His record as a starter
is six and seventeen. That against above five hundred teams.
Last year he had an eight to eight touchdown interception
ratio and the Cowboys went one in six against teams

(01:47:26):
with an above five hundred record. That includes the O
and five that I mentioned from the other stat line
a bit ago. Yeah, I'm, I'm I'm always kind of
a little worried. I know. That was like a long
thing for me as a Lions fan. People would always
invoke staffords record against above five hundred teams, and usually
there there's a lot of weirdness that goes with that
particular status, because hey, if you beat a team when

(01:47:47):
they're looking good in the year, great and then they
just stumbled to the finish line and suddenly they're under
five hundred. But then as you say those touchdowns interception
ratios or something that starts to worry me probably a
little bit more. There he's he's fine. I don't I
don't think of him as like a bad quarterback. I
just don't think of him was a great one either, Right,
And that's what I'm saying when you say he's fine.

(01:48:08):
And then thirty five million dollars is a number that
you're hearing. Yikes. I mean that that that causes a
little pause, But you know that there's a market. There's
a market situation here too, in terms of the escalation
a little further here again, I said he was thirteen
and four in that first season, but since that point
T D d I NT ratio six and seventeen is

(01:48:31):
a starter. This against above five hundred teams eight to
eight last season touchdown to interception Cowboys went one in
six in those games. Now, how about other quarterbacks? The
Big Lead also added this against over five hundred teams,
both in the regular season and the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers
twelve to four ratio five and three. We're the Packers.

(01:48:53):
Russell Wilson eleven to four ratio four and four, Kirk
Cousins fifteen to six ratio but three and five. That
indicates again what I've told you before. He didn't win
a lot of games, but he doesn't play badly. In
him at least a lot of me didn't play badly,
and but he doesn't win them. Jared Goff six to six.
His record was two and four, Tom Brady six to five,

(01:49:18):
three and four, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, and DeShawn Watson
twenty to four and five and two for Mahomes ten
to three ratio and five and two for Lamar Jackson
twelve to five ratio, four and three for Deshaun Watson.

(01:49:38):
And all three of those guys are gonna be getting
paid sooner rather than later. And then Prescott against bad
competition sixty four to nine ratio of touchdown to interceptions
and a twenty nine and five record. A lot of

(01:49:58):
good quarterbacks beat up on bad teams. He's twenty six
years old. I told you you've become the best version
of yourself usually as a quarterback in the NFL historically,
at if you get him for four years, which is
what he wants. But a non starter is a five
year deal because he wants to test the market again

(01:50:19):
at thirty. But you want to make sure you got
him in this next stretch. If you think that he
is good at all, I'm right there and where I
think he's middle of the road. If it takes that
much money to get him, I guess maybe you have to.
But who Again, the way that I felt about Kirk Cousins,

(01:50:42):
I have to say similar things about dark Prescott because
he's losing the games that you need him to be
able to win. I know you gotta win them all,
but you've definitely got to be better against good competition.
Then he's been, at least based on the numbers. It's
going to Brian Finley one more time and find out
what's going on in the world of sports. Would you
pay Dak? I would not. I mean, I think that

(01:51:05):
you're not losing a whole lot with uh Andy Dalton
in there. I really don't think that he's that much worse.
And in fact, I look at if JaMarcus Russell had
an offensive line, had the weapons offensively the DAK had
and wasn't on the scissor, I think that he would
be like like what we're seeing with Dak I mean,

(01:51:26):
I think, Dak, Jason, it's like the girlfriend that you're
you're too nice to say goodbye to. You keep her
along too long, you play with her heart, you lead
her on, and she starts wanting more, gets big headed,
and now look where you are. You're both in this
big predicament. Wow, that's quite an analogy. I was gonna
when you first started that, I was gonna say, that's

(01:51:47):
Jason Garrett. But then when you said let her on
and she started asking for more, I'm like, all right,
I'm with this, Dak Prescott, Yeah, well, Jason banks Man. Meanwhile,
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at a piece back in February. Do you even remember
how old you were long before we even knew what
COVID nineteen was. The article was the NFL's top fifteen quarterbacks,
entering where does the Cowboys Dak Prescott rank among the
league's best Chris and Eric, where would you predict the
Dallas Morning News would place Dak Prescott in a list

(01:53:56):
of the top fifteen quarterbacks in the NFL. Eight Maybe No,
I can't be top ten. I I would say, probably
like I'm trying to roll a Dax. All the quarterbacks
in my head probably like, okay, number one, and you
can balk at this when when you want to number one.

(01:54:17):
Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs, number two, Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks,
number three, Lamar Jackson Baltimore Ravens number four, Drew Brees,
New Orleans Saints number five, Deshaun Watson Houston Texans, number six,

(01:54:38):
Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers, number seven, Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons,
number eight, Dak Prescott Dallas Cowboys, DA showing my I'm
showing my Detroit Colors. Now Dack over Matt Stafford. Let
me give you the list of the rest of the
fifteen number nine, Carson Wentz, number ten, Tom Brady number eleven,

(01:55:02):
Ben Roethlisberger number twelve, Kirk Cousins number thirteen, Jimmy Garoppolo
number fourteen, Kyler Murray number fifteen, Ryan Tannehill, Kyler Murray,
I have sent to some friends. Now, hold on a second, Okay,
can you tell me at least we're Stafford placed on there?
Like that's in fifteen? Is the end of the list?

(01:55:27):
So not so good? Al for the Detroit Lions. Way
to go, Eric number eight for Dark Prescott. I'm just
gonna go ahead and say, Dallas Morning News, maybe has
Dak Prescott slidded a little bit higher than I would have,
like we could parse the list beneath him, and yeah,

(01:55:48):
Matt Stafford not being on there, Kyler Murray being fourteenth,
I think we need to see a little bit more.
I'm saying this is Jimmy Garoppolo, slow your role. I'm
saying this is an unbiased taking my Detroit out of it.
Matt Stafford is a top ten quarterback in the NFL
right now, by every obective, by every objective imagination. That
that list is bizarre. Number eight, Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys.

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(01:56:36):
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Schwartz in for Clay Travis on I'll kicked the coverage.
We'll have some fun Memorial Day and on Tuesday with you.
I hope some of you will tune in. Always fun

(01:56:58):
to be in that chair, Always fun to work with
Jeff as well. This afternoon could be fun. We've got
the match Tiger and Phil, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning
playing golf on t n T a live sporting event.
We won't have patrons. We'll probably have some trash talking.

(01:57:20):
We'll have some fun. Charles Barkley's part of the broadcast crew.
We don't know if he's gonna be on the course
or where exactly he will be, but he'll be entertaining.
I'm trying to figure out how I think this will do.
I think it will do well from a ratings perspective,
at least for a while. If it's not any good,
if it's just dull, then the numbers won't hold. But

(01:57:45):
what's the real competition here? I guess the question is
just how interested you are to watch Tom Brady and
Peyton Manning play golf. We've already seen Tiger and Phil
play one on one. Maybe they have more fun this
time with the other guys out there. They might be,
you know, throwing football around. Who knows, could be some

(01:58:10):
joking out there, could be a lot of lighthearted stuff.
I think that the key to the entirety of this
is that it just needs to be fun. Even though
we are starting to see a lot more hopeful things happening.
Positivity is hopefully sweeping more and more places, and we're

(01:58:33):
getting some things back, we still need a lot of help.
This year. There's been a lot of division and it's
not going anywhere. We've seen deaths of icons. We've seen
obviously COVID nineteen and what it's done to the economy.

(01:58:55):
We've just seen a lot of stuff, so I'm probably
not gonna be somebody you're gonna hear tomorrow bury this
even if it's not that great, just because I like
the idea of it, well, I watch every second of it.
Probably not, but this one feels like it's definitely worth

(01:59:16):
the risk. I don't really think there's much of a
risk anyway. There's an intrigue factor, even though I mean,
this ain't them playing football. They're not the greatest of
all time at this sport, but they're playing with the
greatest arguably of all time, and another very very very
high up on that list guy. And they're gonna raise

(01:59:37):
some money and it's gonna be fun, and Barclay ought
to be greatly entertaining. It'll just be fun to hear
him doing something again on TV. So you know, we'll
cover it tomorrow on fs are regardless of what it
looks like. But I'm excited to see it. You've actually
got a chance to watch that and then flip over
to Fox and watch NASCAR at the Coca Cola six Under.

(02:00:00):
There are multiple sporting events, sports like plural happening today.
It feels good and the NBA and NHL talking about
coming back. We're getting excited. I'll see you next week
and i'll talk to you tomorrow morning on I'll kick
the coverage

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