The Jason Martin Show: 11/17/2019

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two days ago, I thought we were probably have a
pretty stock show here. Nothing that big happening. I mean, obviously,
we're gonna talk about the NFL schedule, and we're gonna
update the rankings in college football depending on what was

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gonna happen in these games. But we did not see coming.
And we knew the Kaepernick work out what's gonna happen,
So there was gonna be some discussion about that, but
we weren't sure past that. But sports in life and
news and everything else that can come at you awfully quickly,
and so two things have happened in the last forty
eight hours that are probably going to be the largest

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piece of this show again. You can find me on
Twitter at j mar Zone. You can call us at
eight seven seven on Fox. That's six three six nine.
Those two incidents. One happened on Saturday, one happened on
Thursday night. I don't even know if I need to
say more, Miles Garrett. That entire scenario we will discuss

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in good detail what a mess and the other one
just sad to a tongo Voloa done for the year,
may be done for his Alabama career. Seven win for
Alabama over Mississippi State on Saturday, up thirty five to seven. Basically,

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right at the end of the first half, two is
in there and he gets hit and it didn't look,
at least at first glance, as bad as it turned
out to be. How bad dislocated right hip and sources

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are now confirming a posterior wall fracture surgery gonna happen.
Expected to make a full recovery. But he's done for
the year at Alabama, which basically means they're done because
without him, they're gonna drop. I'll show you how far

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I think they will drop when I lay out my
top ten in college football to open up the second
hour of this program. There were three minutes left before halftime.
Two Mississippi State defenders pulled him down while he was
on a rollout to his left. There was a third
down play. Bloody knows. I don't see whether or not

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it's broken or riginally people thought that was also true.
He broke his nose, but he couldn't put pressure on
his right leg. After he was helped up, then comes
the cart. He gets airlifted to Birmingham, has cat scans,
has mr eyes and they confirmed the worst. There are

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so many different ways to look at this because on Saturday,
two of the biggest storylines in college football centered around
Alabama football players that don't play at Alabama anymore, one
of them to because of injury, the other one, Jalen
hurts because he transferred to Oklahoma. The bigger issue, though,

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for two a Tonga Voloa is as a college athlete
who has a very very bright future in front of him,
who has not been able to make any money as
of yet. What does this mean for that bright future
that's in front of him. He was considered a you know,

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top five ish level draft pick. Maybe he still is,
but this is a second year in a row where
he's gotten banged up in a bad way in the
second half of a season. Last year we remember, especially
against Georgia in the SEC title game, he was not right,
had to be replaced by Jalen Hurtz, who ended up

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winning that game for him. And then two it came
back in the National Championship Game and of course in
the College Football Playoff, played well in the Semis, not
so good al against Trevor Lawrence and company in the
National Title Game and the blowout loss this year, ankle
injury already and now this and this one ends his season.

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And when I think about Tuatango Valois future. I tweeted
this out from Matt J. Mart Zone on Saturday afternoon,
and this is not a new thing for me, I said.
I did not think too it was gonna be a
good pro, not because of any deficiency that he has
in terms of a skill set as a quarterback, but
because he has a major deficiency in that he's not

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going to be able to withstand when it's coming to
him as a high level NFL quarterback or any NFL
quarterback for that matter. Think about it. Whoever it is
that drafts to ultimately unless he just drops like a stone,
which I guess he could. But if he's still a
top five, top ten pick, the teams that are taking

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picks at that point in time are doing so because
of deficiencies that they have as a squad. As a team,
one of those usually is a putrid offensive line. How
well do you think to a is gonna stack up
with a bad offensive line in front of him against

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NFL level talent chasing him down, getting into the backfield
and getting after him. How many hits do you think
he can sustain? I don't care. If he's one of
the greatest deep ball throwers you've ever seen, one of
the greatest leaders you've ever seen, one of the greatest
people that you've ever seen. None of that has anything
to do with the fact that all of those things

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can absolutely be accurate, and he can be worse than
the worst backup in the league because he can't actually
be on the field for his football team. There's no
deep analysis that needs to go into this. It's possible
this is the last injury he will ever sustain, and
he will have a fifteen year NFL career and everything

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will be fine. But do you want to wager your
franchise on that. If you are in NFL g M,
put yourself in the shoes of one of those teams.
I happen to do this show in Nashville, Tennessee. I've
seen what an injury riddled career means for a quarterback.

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I've seen it, and I've seen the other side too.
I've seen what toughness looks like with Steve McNair, and
i've seen toughness in Marcus Mariota. But a body that
says no, it's not a mentality, it's not somebody being soft.
That's a lazy argument. Two was not soft. Marcus Mariota

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is not soft. Their bodies are just getting broken and battered.
Salman said he didn't think that this particular injury had
anything to do with the ankle injury that to a
hit Two had against Tennessee weeks ago. He said he
was moving fine, everything was fine. We knee jerk reacted,

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some people did. I actually pulled back on the take
that I put out originally, which was why in the
world is he in the game, And I compared it
to Brodie Croyle years ago for Alabama being in a blowout.
I think Mike Schuler was a coach at the time
against Western Carolina and his season coming coming to an end,
and BAMA fans didn't care for me bringing that back

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up and then tried to say this was worse, that
was not, blah blah blah whatever. I don't disagree necessarily
at all with what statements saying, it's very possible this
has nothing one has nothing to do with the other,
but he's having something else go wrong in another part
of his body. And you just have to wonder how
in the world is to Atongo Vola, who can't hack

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it physically for a full season in the SEC, going
to hack it in the National Football League. Yes, the
offensive linemen are better than the ones that he'll have
in front of him in college, but the guys on
the other side are gonna be much better too. And
as I told you, think about the teams that are
gonna be drafting early, how many of them do you

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feel like have a stud level offensive line or somebody
that can block for Outngo Volloa. If you don't have
a great offensive line, I wouldn't even consider drafting to AH.
But my take is I wouldn't draft to a anyway.
And that's hard to say, because I like him, and
I don't want to put something out there that indicates, Hey,

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this guy doesn't deserve to make money, because he does.
I hope somebody does not listen to me. I hope
that somebody in the NFL does take to UH and
that they both proved me wrong and he has a
great career. I don't want to see this young man
not be able to have the future that his talent

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certainly deserves. But then his body is not permitting. That's
not going to make me happy. To be right, as
a GM, I could not do it at this point
because it just feels like you are asking for it.
And I could never trust from one week to the

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next that my quarterback would be healthy. And I know
that that's true across the league. Across the board, anybody
can get hurt, but to Allel has a pattern of
such things. Not a lengthy pattern, but a pattern enough.
Two seasons in a row he is struggling, and this

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one is over and last. I don't know that he
was ever healthy when he came back last year either.
It's not gonna get easier in the NFL. You think
about even guys like a Cam Newton who's built like

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a superhero, tall and thick and just powerful. Dominated people
in the SEC ran over him. Got to the NFL,
still was running over guys. He was basically Shaquille O'Neal
of quarterbacks. But he took a thrashing to the point

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where he started to make comments that the referees weren't
paying attention to how he was getting brutalized after letting
the ball out of his hands in the pocket on
the run, claim that maybe there were different things that
other quarterbacks would get in their favor from the zebras
and when he would not. Where is Cam Newton right now,

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this big, giant, hulking human being, Where is he right now?
I'll tell you where. He's not on the field for
the Carolina Panthers. He's on I r TA. Is not
Cam Newton. But the same guys that injured Cam Newton,
whose body also is betraying him. Those are the same
dudes that are gonna be lined up against Tuatango Vola

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every single Sunday in his NFL career. You tell me,
do you think to A is actually going to be
able to stay afloat stay on the field in the
National Football League? I don't see how and again, this
is just me as an observer on the outside watching,

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But he is fragile. I know all of our bodies
are fragile, but twas on a football field appears to
be a little more fragile than others. And it really
is sad because he's a great player. It's bad for
college football. I know that there were some There was
some really just ridiculous tweets that a few people sent out,

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a few. I'm certain we're not gonna filify everybody, but
some saying, hey, nobody cared about this outside of Tuscaloose.
Howbould everybody just celebrate the fact that now Alabama is
not going to get in the playoff. I would suggest
to you that if that's your reaction, you maybe need
to stop watching football because you've got a problem. Your

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priorities are in the wrong place. This ain't good. Plus,
we don't get to watch two again in Alabama uniform,
whether they were going to make the playoff or not.
You're gonna see Alabama getst Auburn in a couple of
weeks without two, and this probably does knock them out

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of the college football playoff discussion. Whether Auburn beats them
or not, they'd have to get a ton of help
at this stage to get there. I just don't see it.
I believe we have a little bit here from Nick
Saban post game talking about what happened to his star

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quarterback and what it represents for his team, how it happened,
all of that. Let's hear what we've got from Nick Saban,
if we're ready with that. Way I looked at this
whole thing, is tours our number one quarterback. If he's
physically able to play, we wanted to play him in
the game. That's what he wanted to do. UM, and

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that's what our team wanted to do. UM. If I
would know, knowing that anything bad was going to happen,
I certainly wanted to put him in that situation. UM.
But you know, we're a team, and we're a team
that's trying to get better in the long term and
the long run, uh to see, you know, if we
can finish the season the way we want. And you know,

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I I hate it that the guy got hurt. Save
is really not excusing you. He's saying, look, he was healthy.
What are you asking me to do? Originally, when I
saw that score and I thought why in the world
is too in the game at that point in time. Well,
Saban said at halftime, when he was walking off the
field that that was gonna be to his last series,

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that he just wanted him to practice the two minute offense.
He was getting him out of the game after that.
A lot of guys, you know, they'll play the first half,
they won't come out for the second, and that's what
we were about to see with Tua. Just so happened
that it was one series too late for him. This
was again Saban said, hey, this was gonna be his
last series, and indeed it may have been his last series,

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but in the wrong way. That is the starting quarterback.
As far as we can tell, he was healthy in
terms of the ankle. This in an ankle injury. This
is worse. This is a dislocated hip and a posterior fracture.

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It doesn't sound good. I can tell you that watching
him stand there while he's being held up by others,
basically it would appeared like he was weeping or shedding
tears into a towel, not just because he was in pain,
but probably because he realized the ramifications of what was
happening and that it was probably the last time he
would suit up for Alabama. That sucks. I don't know

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what culpability you can place on a football coach for
leaving a football player on the field. Originally I said
wise in the game, but I backtracked off that. Because
Alabama is not in the top five, they need to
win in dominating, impressive fashion to its on Goo Va
Loa can do it. I can tell you that the
backup quarterback not as good because when TWA went out

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against Tennessee, Mac Jones completed exactly one pass to a
wide receiver in an Alabama uniform for the remainder of
that game. Consider the level of talent. Alabama has a
wide receiver, three first rounders, no doubt about it, and
a fourth guy that's at least probably a third rounder

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at worst. I mean, you don't see anything like that
in college. You can count on one hand wide received
groups that loaded, and most of them you don't even
know at the time. We know now how good those
guys should be. And the quarterback can only get one

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completion to those guys against the Tennessee volunteers at home
in Tuscaloosa. It's a big deal. A huge deal, as
a matter of fact, I mean the second half, what
they do. They scored a field goal and that was it.
I mean, they were gonna beat Mississippi State anyway. Some
people say its Mississippi State, it's not Western Carolina, which

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I don't think they remembered that Western Carolina was the
Brodie Cruel situation. But yeah, Mississippi States the team they're
gonna throttle. If two went out at thirty five to seven,
this doesn't happen. But you can't plan this. You could
have taken him out at twenty one to nothing, you
win too. Could have taken him out at fourteen to nothing,

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you would have won two. So I'm trying to give
saving a little bit more of the benefit of the
doubt here because there were reasons, I suppose for two
of to be in there. I still don't love it.
But if they were just gonna get to the half
and he wasn't gonna play in the second half, it
just so happened that he played one series too long

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and it's the last series he's gonna play in an
Alabama uniform. But the bigger question again, seven ninety nine
on Fox six three six nine, If you have a
take or you can tweet me at j mart Zone.
I have said I said this before. I feared that
this is gonna be the case. Two is not gonna
be able to hold up in the NFL. I would
not draft to a Tongo Voloa, despite what a pretty

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deep ball he throws, how accurate he is, how dynamic
he is. I mean, he's everything that you want, except
you don't know if he can actually be available to
you health wise, which means he's nothing that you want
because it doesn't matter the rest of it doesn't matter
if he can't play. We're often running. We'll talk about

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the other big stories in college football when we come
back a little bit more on to a again. If
you have thoughts, give us a call or tweet me
at j mard Zone. Be right back. This is a
Jason Mark Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Welcome back,
Jason Martin Show here on Fox Sports Radio. All right, Chris,
I didn't give you a band name. That's all right,
lemon heads. I'll go ahead and tell you now what

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I want when we come back. Maybe we'll do it
off the top instead the end of the segment. That way,
I don't forget, and we'll figure it out. Care to
wager a guess on this, though I'm not sure to
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said last segment, I would not draft to a Tonga
Voloa if I was an NFL team because I just
don't think he's gonna be able to hold up. I
see no evidence that tells me his body is gonna
hold up against the rigors of the National Football League,
and that's all I need to know. If it can't,

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none of the rest of anything around what he can
do for you matters. We'll talk more about two, but
I want to shift gears to a guy that used
to play at Alabama that no longer does. And this
is not one of my usual moves, but I think
it would be helpful for you to hear this. Baylor

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is no longer undefeated because Oklahoma came back down to three.
Where have I heard that before? And one thirty one
in Waco, Minnesota also lost. I predicted both of those
last week as a matter of fact, on this show.

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But I want to read something to you that was
written back on January the sixteen, and it was written
by Jalen Hurtz. There is nobody more routable than Jalen
hurts Folks, sit back and enjoy this and tell me

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I'm wrong about the statement I just made. Commitment, discipline, effort, toughness, pride.
Those are the five commandments of Alabama football. Those are
the five commandments that have been instilled in me and
that have defined me for the past three years. And
as I write this letter, I find myself drawing on
those commandments one more time. It's been almost four years

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now since the day I got the phone call that
changed my life. A coach by the name of Nick
Saban was on the line wanting to ask about the
chances of a Texas boy like me packing up for
Tuscaloosa and coming to play football at the University of Alabama.
I took my recruiting visit and then never took another.
It was just love at first sight between me and
this program, and it's crazy to think about the journeys

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we've both been on since then. As a competitor, I
wanted badly to be a part of the dynasty the
coach Saban was building. I wanted to make my mark.
I wanted to leave a legacy. Was what happened in
the National Championship game. Bitter suite, Of course it was.
It was a humbling experience. It was tough, man, but
I am even tougher for it. I am built for this.

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I understand that God put those obstacles and challenges in
my life for a reason. He wanted me to feel
the pain I felt for a reason. He wanted me
to understand the importance of never losing faith and of
always staying true to myself. He had not brought me
this far just to leave me there. This isn't something
you're stuck in. I'd tell myself, this is something you're
going through. And one thing I can promise you is

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that I'm better off for having gone through it. Everything
I dealt with Obama, I'm stronger for it, I'm wiser,
I'm a better man, And for that I have so
many people to think, people who've made a deep and
lasting impact on my life just from their paths crossing
with mine. People who have helped me, trained me, or
flat outraised me, or even just believed in me. Thank

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you truly. I have graduated from the University of Alabama
with my bachelor's degree in public Relations, and I couldn't
be prouder. This accomplishment means so much to me. But
the education I received Alabama goes beyond a degree. Coach
Saban taught me the values and principles of business, as
well as what it takes to be a great leader.
My teammates taught me the importance of togetherness, brotherhood, and love.

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And this past season it taught me a lifetime's worth
of lessons about how to deal with adversity. Now I'm
an alumnus of the University of Alabama. Now I'm Abama
for life, and that right there will never change. But
now it's also time for me to start a new
chapter in my story. I've decided to take my talents
to the the University of Oklahoma, where I will continue my
development as both a quarterback and as a student. I'm

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very fortunate to have this opportunity, and I'm excited for
the journey ahead. One of the things that people always
want to talk to me about is last month's SEC
Championship game. They come up to me and say that
it inspired them, or that they were rooting like crazy
for me, or how they've been hoping all season that
I would get another chance. They tell me how it

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was like a movie, or that they've got to make
you a thirty for thirty now you know, things along
those lines. But I just tell them back that thirty
for thirty you can bet on it, only not anytime soon,
not yet, because this story of mine, it's still just
getting started. There are movie moments still to come. Growing up,
I never thought i'd get to where I am today

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as a twenty year old, and I dang shre never
thought I would have the power to positively impact so
many people and especially kids across the nation like I
do now. It's a huge honor, but it's also a
huge responsibility. Not everyone in this life. It's the chance
to be a role model, and that's why I'm on
this mission to be the best player, leader and man
that I can be. I know everything will unfold according

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to God's timing. I am blessed to be where my
feet are. My trust is in his hands, so I
about to be family in Norman. I truly appreciate you
for bringing me on board. Y'all don't know me yet,
but just for now to introduce myself. I'm a motivated
coach's son from the East side of Houston and I
love to play ball. And to my Obama family, once again,

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thank you for everything. It's been a great three years.
I'll love you until the end of time. John thirteen
seven roll Tide. That from Jalen Hurts in the Players
Tribune back on January the sixteenth of this year. There
is no one more routable than that guy. I could
tell you stories and read you articles of how he

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has conducted himself off the field, the way he handled
what happened to him Alabama. But even tonight or even
last night, as Jalen Hurts played a brutal first half
against an undefeated Baylor team that the look they were

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kicking their rear ends. Oklahoma looked lost, no seeding lamb
out there. Lincoln Riley looked like he had no answers.
Hurts was getting thrown around, making bad decisions, it was bad.
And then the second half happened and Oklahoma showed some

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toughness and Jalen Hurts showed the leadership that I just
read to you from the Players Tribune, what he learned,
the kind of man that he is, what he's capable of.
And then after the game, when it's time for him
to do the interview on the field and he's super
excited about the win, what does he tell Maria It

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was a sideline reporter. He says, I put us in
a horrible position. I made some terrible mistakes, but I
knew my guys were always watching me. And then he
just turned it all to them. He played a large
role in that comeback, scrambling, throwing the football to a

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lot of guys that you wouldn't even know, making plays,
and after the game it wasn't about him, it was
about them. It wasn't false humility either. Think about that.
How many times in a comeback speech after that comeback

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has happened and you're standing there with a microphone in
your face, how many guys have you seen with something
that you can see right through or something that's very
self centering. This wasn't self deprecating in some kind of
a negative way. This was Jalen Hurts doing the only
thing he knows how to do, which is just tell
the truth and be honest. He said, at point blank,

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I didn't play well early in that game at all,
and my guys picked me up, help me, and we
ended up getting this victory and it feels sweet. He
was super excited, but he was super deferential to everybody else.
It was outstanding. And again, there is nobody more routable

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than that guy. Nothing makes me happier than to potentially
be wrong about him. He's not gonna win the Heisman Trophy,
but he has done better, I think already this season
than I anticipated he would. He's not gonna throw like
Baker Mayfield or Kyler Murray. He's just not. That's why
I thought it was a weird fit. But he is
a winner, ain't no doubt about that. Let's go out

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to Brian Finley. Let's check in with him and find
out what happened last night in the world of sports. Brian,
thank you so much. Jason fifth ranked Alabama missing the
services of TWA Tua Valoa for the rest of the
season after he dislocated his hip and Bama's thirty eight
seven win against Mississippi State. Also in college football, Number

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one l s U stays undefeated after a fifty eight
thirty seven win at Oxford against Old Miss Tigers. Quarterback
Joe Burrow completed in a stretch seventeen straight passes that
as a program record. He finished with four eighty nine
yards through the air and five touchdowns. Sixth ranked Oregon
winning the Pack twelve North, so they have booked a
spot in the Pack twelve Championship. After disgracing Arizona thirty

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four to six Justin Herbert four touchdown passes. The Ducks
have won nine straight games. Number eight Minnesota goes down,
so their hopes of making the college football playoff or
waiting as they fall nineteen to number twenty Iowa. The
Hawkeyes score touchdowns in their first three drives. Number ten
Oklahoma overcoming a twenty five point deficit to hind the

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Baylor Bay is their first loss of the season, thirty
thirty one. The final, Jalen Hurts four eleven total yards,
four touchdowns, three turnovers, and as Jason mentioned in the
postgame interview when Hurt spoke with Maria Taylor of ESPN,
he said, quote, I put us in a horrible situation
and we found a way to come back. I love it.
Ceedee Lamb did not play in this game, Oklahoma's top

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wide receiver with a medical issue elsewhere. Fourth ranked George
was securing its third straight SEC title after holding off
Auburn four team seventh ranked Utah forcing five turnovers in
at three rout of u c l A. Bruins quarterback
Dorian Thompson. Robinson called it a humbling moment for his
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seventy in his first two games with l A, which
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l A. Bo Benson is in tonight for Eric Roberts,
Brian Finley, Chris Perfett. Gentlemen, what do you think of

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my take about two in the NFL? I would be
beyond concerned using the draft pick. I assume you would
have to use to get him, at least for right
now way during that just based on what I've all
and he's seen from him, How in the world does
his body hold up in the NFL. I fear that
it's just never gonna happen for him the way that

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I wish we could see the talent that he has.
I just don't think we're ever going to get to Yeah,
I would say This is rough because it's in the
moment right now, and I don't exactly hold that he
was injury prone to begin with or anything to that sword,
but it's a hip injury, like we were taught. I
was talking about this with someone else beforehand, like it's

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not quite what happened to uh two Bow, but it
is very it's very similar. Like the problem with Bo
is that he kind of let the injury linger and
the and you know, the bones started to die. So
it's not going to be that much of a problem.
But hip injuries are not. This isn't just this isn't
some a c L you're coming back from. This is
this is a hip This is going to impact his mobility.

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This is going to impact a lot of things on
him playing the game. I think there will be some
teams that do draft him, but there's going to be
a lot of reservation and there's gonna be a lot
of between here and now. People are gonna want to
see some medical tape. They're gonna want to understand his
injury and see how he how he rehabs from it.
But it's not looking good right now. No, I mean

(33:15):
him in the top five bow, do you got something
for me. Yeah, I mean I I wouldn't take him
that high. I wasn't really high on him before this happened,
but um, you know, teams always talk themselves into a guy.
So I do think he's still gonna go top ten.
But I personally, if I was a GM, I don't
think I would do it. Any chance he would come
back to school with this I assume not, But I mean,

(33:40):
just if it looked like his draft stock was down underneath?
Where do you think he could have gone elsewhere? Is
there anything to be gained by coming back or do
you just have to go at this point in Tom,
the other question is now, just Trevor Lawrence go out
and try to find a waiver so he didn't have
to play next year, so that nothing can happen to
him before he goes. One would think number one. As

(34:02):
soon as he can get out, I I would hope
not please to it. Don't go back to school, just
get paid. Is there anybody you would suggest at this
point coming back to school to play football? I think
the answers no. If you have an opportunity to go
pro and make money at any decent clip, at this point,
there is nothing to be gained by coming back and
playing college football. I mean watching myself, like watching Sam

(34:25):
Bradford come back to school. He still went number one overall,
but he could have you know, it altered his career totally.
Probably you never know. Yeah, I mean we're looking at
Justin Herbert Oregon right now. It seems to be okay
for him, but there are a lot of stories and
you're just taking a gigantic risk and there's no payoff

(34:46):
unless you just and the thing for two is two
has been part of a national championship already. He wasn't
the starter, but he came in and was instrumental obviously
in the game a few years ago where they beat Georgia.
So he already has Hace did that. So what else
does he necessarily have to prove. I don't know. I
don't know that he has anything at this stage that

(35:08):
he feels like he would absolutely have to prove. When
we come back, we've got to We've got to prove
a couple of things, like paying for us being on
the air. When we come back, we are gonna get
into Miles Garrett thing with the Browns. I don't know
if we'll do it. To end this hour, or not.
I also want to talk about Disney Plus and just
how many services are gonna be out there that people
are gonna want, and how in the world you're supposed

(35:28):
to navigate all of that. And like I said, lemon Heads,
that's our first kind of nineties throwback band that I'm
throwing towards. Chris. We'll see what he's got for us
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have to think about this one, but I'm a big
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me with this one anyway. Still a fan off of
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dot com Slash credit scorecard limitations do apply. Two teams
that were undefeated no longer are Minnesota and Baylor. Baylor
had it lost it up three, couldn't hang on. It

(36:33):
was kind of amazing to watch that collapse. I mean,
Oklahoma had a lot to do with it, certainly on
the Minnesota side. That one was predictable from a mile away,
so was Ou. But when you take Ceedee Lamb out
of the game and then you give him a twenty
five point lead, you started to feel like maybe Bailer

(36:54):
was actually gonna be able to pull that thing off.
The biggest play in that whole game was Jalen Hurts
on that bad snap, running back and picking it up
and throwing it away, finding way to escape and throw
it away instead of just collapsing on top of it,
which may have cost him the chance to go for
that field goal that ultimately won the game for him.
That is the kind of thing that there are very

(37:17):
few guys in the country that could be that aware
to make that decision and athletic enough to pull it off. Now,
everything had to be perfect. If he doesn't pick it
up properly, then it could be disastrous. And we're having
an un totally different discussion about why didn't you just
fall on the football. But that's what we do for
a living. There's nothing you can do about that. Minnesota

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went to Ames, Iowa. Ames, Iowa is where records, teams, seasons,
and dreams go to die. You go up there and
you play against Iowa, and I think I said Ames,
and I didn't mean to say Aimes. Aimes is where
Iowa State is. Anyway, you go to the University of
Iowa and you go there in November, and you get

(38:05):
beat there at Kinnicks Stadium in Iowa City, And that's
what happened here. Iowa jumped on him early and then
strangled him. Even though Minnesota had a shot, it was
still fourth in twenty one inside their own ten. And
I love the Iowa fans booing Minnesota's quarterback when he
got hurt and had to come out of the game

(38:25):
on third down in twenty one because they thought that
he was just trying to give them an extra time
out that they didn't have with that injury. If somebody's
gonna fake an injury, I don't think it's gonna be
the starting quarterback for the team that's trailing in the
last two minutes of the game. That was hilarious to me.
The collusion, the conspiracy theories were right right there. There

(38:47):
are a lot of times where you can do that
booing and it makes a lot of sense, not when
it's the quarterback who then has to exit the game
for a play and was mad about it, because I
guess he was all right. I don't even know he
was actually what happened there, But there's no way he's
the one that goes down. It's some lineman, or it's
one of the wide receivers, like a third or fourth

(39:09):
wide out. It's not the starting quarterback. I'm not sure
exactly what happened there, but I can tell you he
was not just trying to get over on somebody. But
still a nice win for Iowa. Minnesota's got Wisconsin, They've
got Ohio State. It's still a great season for them.
One loss for Baylor. I mean, Baylor was a one

(39:29):
and eleven team when Matt Rule took it over, and
we all know the other problems that Baylor had. So
he's done a great job there. But don't tell him
that today because all he's gonna tell you about is
we had that game and we lost that game. When
you're up big and you get outscored thirty one, two, three,
and lose by three points. Not too good. What a

(39:53):
great first half they played. Unfortunately, had to play sixty minutes.
That becomes the trick. Sometimes you can play with the
team and then the pressure builds because, oh my gosh,
we might actually beat Oklahoma and stay undefeated. Then you
turn around, look up the scoreboard and it's thirty four
to thirty one and you just took a loss. We'll
be right back our number two of the program, Jason
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(40:36):
out in Los Angeles, Senior thinking about the top ten
in college football, which we do to open up the
second hour of this program each week during the season,
and I'm trying to not second guess myself and just
stick with what I wrote down, and anything you continue

(40:56):
to read can change your mind. And it's still fluid
because there's still a lot of football left to be
played and more of this is gonna shake itself out
at this stage. It's the only thing fool is just
to assume in any regard that you know what's going
to happen, because you absolutely don't know what's gonna happen.

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Here was my top ten a week ago. I had
Penn State at ten after the loss of course Oklahoma
at nine, and they narrowly came back were held off
a furious I should say held off a furious Iowa
State come back last week at Utah at eight, just

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the one loss to USC earlier in the year on
the road, Minnesota at seven after beating Penn State and
at the time undefeated Georgia at six. Because I waited
that South Carolina loss as really tough for them to
deal with Oregon at five. I test what they're capable

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of with Justin Herbert decent enough defense. Alabama at four,
even with the loss to l s U because of
the way that they fought back into the game in
the second half clepsing it three undefeated, killing everybody with
the exception basically of North Carolina. Schedule is terrible. Ohio

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State at two and l s U at one, and
I've had l s U at one in five straight polls,
and we'll see whether or not it's gonna be six
when we get to the end of today's But I
also said the l s U at Ohio State are
not separated by much. They don't have they don't have
common opponents, and we may get to watch them as

(42:53):
each other's opponents in the National Championship game. Potentially, Penn
State may have something to say about that for Ohio State,
whoever they meet the Big Ten Championship game, Minnesota or
otherwise potentially as well. Georgia might have something to say
about it for l s U. But we know what

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happened on Tuesday night when the first playoff rekings came
out and it was l s U Ohio State Clemson
in Georgia. People lost their minds that Georgia was number
four because they lost at home in Athens to South Carolina,
a very mediocre football team. They did, losing overtime, but
it was not a good deal because they had a

(43:35):
chance to win it a couple of times to regulation
and blew those opportunities. When you think about the one
lost teams, what's the worst loss. South Carolina at home
is probably the worst loss. Oklahoma lost on the road
to Kansas State. Oregon lost on a neutral site just
barely to Auburn and outplayed them throughout much of that game.

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Utah lost on the road at SC. That's not a
great loss either, but would still say that SC is
better than the SC that Georgia lost to. Of course,
Alabama's losses to l s U, Nobody's going to go
against that one. Penn State's loss to Minnesota. If it

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was in Minnesota, it wouldn't matter as much. Assisted that
program doesn't have a lot of glitz behind it, so
even though they were undefeated, you don't think that that's
a good loss if you're Penning State. But Georgia was
four and Andy Staples. I actually interviewed Andy Staples this
past week and he said, in advance of it coming out,
he thought Georgia would be four and people would lose

(44:38):
their minds, and people did. Here's the thing about Georgia.
George is gonna have the opportunity to play in the
SEC Championship game. Get another key win, and they're in
position to be number four, if not a little bit higher.
Should they do that. If they run the table, it's
gonna be hard to deny them even with that loss.

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If they beat l s U. If there are two
lost team, they're not getting in unless everybody else loses
as well. Because ellis you lost won't be a bad loss.
It's the other loss, the one they already suffered, that's
the bad loss. But here's the top ten as I
see it for this week. I'm gonna keep Penn State

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at ten. Not a particularly impressive performance for James Franklin's
crew on Saturday, but they still got the win. There's
still a one loss team and a threat for Ohio
State a week from now. Michigan's quietly playing a little
bit better. Of course, that game is still coming up
with the Ohio State as well. So Oio State has

(45:39):
some has some work to do and has some big
time wins that they can get coming up on their schedule.
Maybe they can end up number one or maybe their
number one. Now we'll get there in a second. So
I've got the Nitney Lions at ten. Minnesota loses to
Iowa in Iowa City. But if I've got Penn State

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at ten, I've got to put Minnesota at nine. So
I didn't drop them that far. I only dropped them
two spots with the loss, mainly because we saw some
other teams lose, and then there's a bunch of two
loss teams and I'll keep Minnesota. I'm gonna give Minnesota
a little bit of respect. I'll put PJ Flex team
at nine. Now come the arguments. I've got Oklahoma at eight.

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I had him at nine last week. I moved them
up one even though they beat an undefeated team last
night in prime time. They did it in stunning fashion,
coming back from a huge deficit down twenty five points,
came back and won the thing by three thirty four
to thirty one. Jalen Hurts the four combined touchdowns he
did turn it over, almost turned it over one more time,

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not on him on a bad snap. That would have
maybe been the one where Baylor comes scores and wins
the game. But I look at Oklahoma and Kansas State
lost on Saturday afternoon. Every time they lose, that hurts
Oklahoma because that makes their loss to KSE State worse
case States right there on the periphery, just barely out

(47:14):
of the top twenty. But between twenty and twenty five
they lose that game. Maybe they're not ranked this week,
so that loss gets a little worse for OU. But
they do have a Heisman candidate. He's not gonna win it,
but they've got a great leader, and they have an
unbelievable offensive mind on the sidelines where in the headsets
and an alex screenched defense and at times looks dominant,

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at times looks the opposite of dominant. I'll keep him
at eight, number seven, And maybe I should have flipped this,
but I'm gonna keep Alabama at seven because I don't
know enough about what mac Jones can do. I I
told you what I think he can do based on
the fact that you only had one completion to a
wide receiver against Tennessee after two of went out three

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or four weeks ago. Well, we'll see. For now. I'll
keep them there. They obviously want easily against Mississippi State,
but they've got the Iron Bowl coming up. That's a
tough Auburn team. If the quarterback can't play, will know it.
But again, I've got him at seven, and last week
I had them at four, even with the loss to

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L s U. I don't think they have a chance
without two of getting voted into the College Football Playoff.
I think the street for Alabama, who has been in
it every single year since it began, is over because
to his injury does change this procedure because that team,
the one that you be voting in, is not the

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one that you've been watching up to this point. That's
how important too it is. Unless Mac Jones does something
we are not expecting at all, and I guess anything
is possible, but I'm gonna go ahead and suggest that
Kevin Garnett is not going to be screaming that when
we get to see Mac Jones against Auburn. So Alabama
at seven, Utah at six. Hunley is tremendous and they

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put a whooping out there on tape on Saturday. Just
beat them down. Situation. They're impressive. You could easily put
them at five. They're lost to sc SC is not
very good, so that doesn't feel great. And that's really

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why I have them at six and I have the
other Packs Wealth team, Oregon at five, because Oregon's loss
was on a neutral site in a close game to Auburn,
who we know is still a pretty good team despite
the fact they have three losses, and the quality of
loss between those two is a reason. But we're going
to get to see Utah and Oregon match up, so

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that's gonna work itself out. One of those teams is
gonna knock the other one out. The other one may
get into the College Football Playoff with what happened to Alabama,
unless Georgia beat L s U. Because if they do,
then it would be hard to deny that that win
over L s U and the SEC title game would
not put them in over an Oregon team, for example,

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especially considering Georgia beat Auburn and Oregon lost to him.
So that's why I've got Oregon at five and I've
got Georgia at four. So I'm actually gonna agree with
the committee here and move them from six to four.
Georgia has three really solid winds, Notre Dame Florida and
on Saturday outlasting the Auburn come back on the road.

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Mind you at Jordan Hair the loss stinks, losing to
South Carolina that's no good, But Notre Dame Florida and
Auburn that's impressive and a chance to get L s
U as well. If they have Notre Dame Florida, Auburn
and L. S U on their resume, they're getting in.
So I'll put them at four for right now. I'm

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not saying they're gonna be L s U. I'm just
saying you can leave them there for now because they
will play are away either in or out of the
spot that you've put them in. So I'm fine having
them at four. I've got Clemson at three. Clemson starting
to look like Clemson now, Trevor Lawrence starting to look
like what we knew Trevor Lawrence was Davos when he
said on Saturday after the win that Trevor Lawrence now

(51:19):
looks like the best football player in the country. The
beginning of the season he didn't, even though he was
still the best player in the country. I don't necessarily
disagree with that, but Clemson is not somebody that you
want to see. They also have not played a soul
that's particularly impressive. I'll put him at three. Wouldn't be

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at least bit surprised if they win the national championship.
Anybody that would has not been watching college football for
the last half decade. Number two. I'm gonna keep Ohio
State there. You might want to try and push them
to number one. Another dominant win, like it's Rutgers, but

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it was Rutgers and they beat Maryland last week. Ohio
State schedules not particularly impressive either, at least now now
you're about to get Penn State, and you've got Michigan
coming up, and then you've probably got Minnesota. I guess
I need to double check that, but I believe it's
still on point to be Minnesota unless they drop another game,
which they might. You lose one in your Minnesota, maybe

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the wheels come off, but who knows. Ohio State has
an opportunity to get some good wins, but so far,
not a lot on that resume that impresses you, but
a little bit more impresident Clempson and Ohio State looks great.
Like if you want to tell me they're the best
team in the country, I'm gonna have a hard time
arguing that point, because you can make several bullet points

(52:46):
that are hard to deny. But I'm gonna put him
at too, the same place that I've had him for
the last one two, three weeks. So now this is
the fourth straight pole here on the Ason Martin Show
on Fox Sports Radio, where they finished at number two.
Because I've still got L s U at one. They

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gave up a lot of rushing yards, more points than
you want to see the old miss on the road
on Saturday night. Their defense is questionable, it's suspect, no doubt.
The offense not questionable, not suspect. Heisman Trophy winner soon
to be in Joe Burrow at quarterback. They can score

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against anybody. I think that will be the difference against
Georgia in the SEC Championship game. George's offense seems to
be stuck in about second gear and it needs to.
It's gonna need to be full on Marck five to
keep up with L s U. Now, they should be
able to run the ball and Swift ought to have
a really big day against the L s U defense,

(53:48):
and maybe ultimately if L s U in Ohio State play,
that will be the difference in Ohio State can win
because they can score, but they have a good defense.
We think they haven't played against a lot of high
powered offenses that they've had to shut down. They did
annihilate Wisconsin to make them look bad in the process,
so I'll keep l S shooting number one. Of course,

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they beat Alabama and they beat Florida. They've got a
couple of nice wins. So there are changes again, because
there always are. Baylor wasn't in my top ten last week.
They're certainly not now. Minnesota after beating Penn State had
to be and they still are because no one else
made a move to knock them out even with the loss.

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They just dropped a couple of spots, but I couldn't
drop them completely out of the top ten. There's still
a one lost team, even though that schedule is bad,
with the exception of the Penn State game and now
the Iowa game that they didn't win. So here's my
top ten again. Number ten, I've got Penn State. Number nine.
I've got Minnesota even with the lost to Iowa. Number eight.

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I've got Oklahoma with the comeback win to Baylor. Number seven.
I've got Alabama, and they may drop more because the
two of us. Alabama can't be ranked much higher than that,
not based on what we know right now about Mac Jones.
Utah at six because I think that Oregon's lost to
Auburn is better than Utah's lost to sc So I've

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got to Oregon at five, Georgia at four, with those
three really quality wins. Auburn on Saturday on the road,
they beat Florida in Jacksonville, and they beat Notre Dame
in prime time early in the year. Clemson at three.
Their schedule, no quality wins, but they're killing everybody, and
they're starting to peak at the right time, and they're undefeated,
and they're defending national champions. Number two Ohio State, undefeated,

(55:37):
killing everybody. But they've got a couple of big games
coming up, and if they win all those games, maybe
I'll have them number one. Right now, I'll keep l
s U at the top. Even though they don't have
maybe the most impressive resume in terms of who they played,
they still have a couple of quality wins, including the
best win of the season beating Alabama in Tuscaloosa last week.
So there's your top ten. We do it every Sunday

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morning to open up the second hour of the show.
When we come back, I want to talk about Nebraska football.
Scott Frost got extended a two year contract extension. He's
eight and fourteen at Nebraska and I think those two
facts tell you all you need to know about the

(56:21):
state of Nebraska football. I'll explain that when we come
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(56:45):
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Show rolled them right along here on a Sunday morning
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am j Mark did the show out of Nashville, Tennessee
Titans on by, so we won't be talking about them.
That's good news for the rest of the country, at
least so Nebraska extended Scott Frost. Scott Frost, who's eight
and fourteen in Nebraska. They gave a two year extension.

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And when I saw that, I just kind of nodded approvingly, like, yep,
Nebraska is starting to realize what they are. Scott Frost
might be the best coach that will ever go there,
at least at this point in time. If you recall
what he did at Central Florida, how successful he was,

(57:53):
what a hot property he was. He left, Hypol hasn't
done a bad job down there in replacement, in replacing
him at all. Of course, you had the injuries and
the big one as well. And then Scott Frost goes
to his alma mater where he was a hero at
Nebraska and he can't win there. But Nebraska knows what

(58:17):
they are. Let me explain how old are the guys
that Scott Frost is recruiting in Nebraska. This is not
a trick question. I'm not about to blow your mind.
They're eighteen, they're you know, seventeen going on eighteen. Younger guys,
guys who were born in around two thousand one, two

(58:41):
thousand two, somewhere in that neighborhood maybe when they were born,
Nebraska was decent or pretty good even, but by the
time they had eyes that worked to understand what was
on the television screens in front of them that was

(59:03):
not animated, meaning when their eyes could actually understand things
that were not the USA Network cartoon Express back in
the day, or Garfield and Friends or something like that,
when they could actually process football, Nebraska hasn't been good, folks.
This is the problem when you're once vaunted program takes

(59:29):
on water for such a long period of time that
then there becomes a generation gap where everybody that you
want to recruit has never known a time in which
you were good, and the best guys still want to
play in these elite places that they have idolized and

(59:49):
watched on Saturdays and marveled at the two Watograph Volos
and the Trevor Lawrences and the Justin Fields and the
Jalen Hurts and the Baker Mayfields, all of these places
that have won for such a long period of time
or that have recruiting advantages. Nebraska has not one consistently

(01:00:10):
and so long, no nobody that Scott Frost goes into
their living rooms, sits down and talks to knows the
time when Nebraska was what we remember. I'm forty one.
I remember when Nebraska was good, when Tom Osborne was there,
when Frasier was there, when they just mauled people, when
their defense was beastly and Dominican Sue. You know a

(01:00:34):
lot of those guys, and Sue has been there fairly recently,
but it was still in Nebraska. They've had a couple
of years, like once in a while where they're half decent,
but generally speaking, they're not elite in any way anymore.
That's problem one for Scott Frost and for anybody that
takes on that Nebraska job. The second problem is it's Nebraska.

(01:01:00):
This is not meant in any way to offend the
fine people that are listening to us in the state
of Nebraska or Nebraska natives that have transplanted somewhere else
for whatever reason. It is to say that if you
are going and talking to an eighteen year old kid
and trying to get him to uproot his life and
come play football for you, part of that is he

(01:01:23):
has to live there for several months at a time.
How many guys are gonna pick Nebraska over Miami or
Los Angeles or something like that. The only way that
you can get people to Nebraska is if you're already

(01:01:46):
winning at such a high level that it doesn't matter
where you are in the country. We want to be
a part of that. We're seeing something grow. It's not
like Clemson, South Carolina Anderson South Carolina is some great destination,
but there is great tradition there, and you've got Death
Valley and you've got all those things. You've got a
lot of things going for you down there, and you've

(01:02:06):
got the right coach who had the right stuff. A
lot of places where the best recruits go aren't the
best locations in the country in terms of where you'd
want to live necessarily don't have all the amenities maybe
that you would want, but they're winning. You have to
have one of those two things. You either have to

(01:02:26):
be a dominant program, or you have to be in
an awesome spot or a good state. Nebraska might be
a great state, but who wants to live in Nebraska
that doesn't already know a lot about Nebraska. The answer
is not a whole lot of people. So you look
at Scott Frost eight and fourteen in his twenty two games,

(01:02:47):
he gets a two year extension signs it, of course,
because he loves Nebraska and there's nothing he wants more
than to win. But if you remember when he took
that job, he even said, you know, it's gonna get
worse before it gets better. And he is a fine coach,
he really is. But that is a tough gig. Now

(01:03:10):
it's en It's not nine, it's not nine eighty nine.
The Nebraska Cornhuskers is not a program that moves the needle.
I mean, talk to high schoolers across the country who
played football and asked them what they know about Nebraska,
and maybe they know the mascot, and other than that,

(01:03:31):
they're like, it's some state in the middle of the country,
and I think their color is red. Nebraska think has
been more known for basketball than football in the last
throughout this whole decade. That's a problem, Like I see
it in this state, or I thought I was seeing
it in this state for a long time with the

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Tennessee Volunteers, because even though they have a top ten
program when it comes to their fan base and all
of that, they haven't won in a long long time.
And they're in a very tough conference. But they're also
in a rich state where there are a lot of
talented players, and they can still seemingly bring people there
because they do have a lot of facilities and all that.

(01:04:12):
Nebraska has very little offer right now. So when they
offer Scott Frost to six games under five hundred since
he's been there an extension, I don't roll my eyes
and say, what are they thinking? I say, they know
who they are, and they realize this might be the
best that they're gonna have for a while now. If
you find the right coach, you can you can turn

(01:04:33):
things around. But I'm not so sure Scott Frost isn't
the right coach. That's just a spot where the turnaround,
the rebuild is a long process, and they're committing to
him to be a part of that process. I would

(01:04:54):
keep my eyes on Nebraska over the next few years.
I don't know that he's gonna turn it around, but
it will be an intriguing story to watch because if
he can't. The one thing that Nebraska has taught potential
candidates for the future is we're not going to, you know,
completely give up on you too fast. We're gonna give

(01:05:15):
you an opportunity. Scott Frost is being given plenty of
time now to turn this thing around, show progress and
make it work. And if he doesn't, the next guy
at least won't feel like he's becoming the new coach
of the Cleveland Browns. Speaking of the Browns, Miles Garrett

(01:05:38):
and that story. I don't even know how long this
topic will go, but we will go there here in
just a couple of minutes. But first let's go to
Brian Finley real quick check in on the latest in sports.
B thank you Jason to a tongue of voloa dislocating
his hip in number five Bamas thirty eight seven win
on Saturday against Mississippi State to a done for the season.

(01:06:01):
L s U quarterback Joe Burrow nearly five yards passing.
He had five touchdown passes and had a program record
with a stretch of seventeen straight completions in a fifty
eight thirty seven victory at Ole Miss. Fourth ranked Georgia
locks up the SEC East title after dispatching Auburn fourteen,
even though the Tigers scored fourteen un answered in the

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fourth quarter. Sixth ranked Oregon wins the back twelve North,
so they have booked a spot in the pack. Twelveth
Championship after beating Arizona thirty four six, Justin Herbert four
touchdown passes, seventh ranked Utah forcing five turnovers, and a
forty nine three drumming of U C. L A. After
the game, Utah defensive lineman Bradley and I said, quote,

(01:06:43):
we figured out who was the more physical team in
this game, and then there was tenth ranked Oklahoma manufacturing
the largest comeback in school history. Hold his down, kick
is away, and it is good. It is good. Okay
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it was three nothing Oklahoma Radio Network, the Sooners coming
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figuring out which one of those methods is easier. Jason
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stat real quick before I forget about this. Oklahoma has
come back. This from ESPN stats in Info. They're twenty

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one point halftime deficit overcome to win is the largest
to defeating the FBS team that entered the game nine
and no We're Better. Since the n C Double A
began in seven. The previous record was USC coming back
from seventeen points down against the nine and no. Notre

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Dame team in nineteen sixty four. Nevada also did it
against ten and O Boise State in two thousand ten,
but no one has done it with more than seventeen
points until Saturday, when Oklahoma did it from twenty one
down to beat a team that entered the game nine
and O are Better. That dates back eighty two years.

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That's pretty impressive. That performance was super impressive. Not impressive
with what happened on Thursday Night football, And there's so
many directions to go here. There's so many different places
that you could take this story, and certainly we could

(01:09:17):
open an hour whether and maybe we're still talking about
it when we get to the top of the third hour.
Everybody's had their say, everybody's had their take, and my goodness,
this story hits and takes that leave you with like
the cringe face emoji or the handover face emoji, all

(01:09:38):
of it. You get it all from this thing, and
it did not take very long. The Miles Garrett defenders,
the ones that want Mason Rudolph suspended for the rest
of his life, the ones that are defending Miles Garrett
two an insane degree, not just the defenders, but the
defenders of Miles Garrett, the ones that claimed that this

(01:10:03):
helmet deal is not that big of a deal. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff out here that's just not
very good. And you knew that it was gonna be
this way, and you knew it wasn't gonna take very long.
This whole story is super rugly. Miles Garrett knew what
he did was wrong, but he still somehow managed to

(01:10:26):
say after that game, a win is a win. Let's
not let this overshadow the victory we had, which is
one of the more tone deaf things that you could say,
one of the more naive things. You can suggest that
all you want, so long as you recognize that no
one else is gonna pay attention to the fact that
the Browns beat the Steelers. We don't care, not not

(01:10:50):
after that whole deal. Nobody's gonna be talking about that.
I mean O. J. Simpson tweeted out a video discussing
that situation. That would be the only time I mentioned that,
because when I see somebody retweet him, I'm just like,
what are we doing here, folks? He needs to go away.

(01:11:10):
He needs to be not even ostracizes, he needs to
be left out, He needs to be excommunicated. You don't
need to retweet him, you need to talk about him.
The only thing I have to say but O. J.
Simpson is the fact that he is suing a Las
Vegas hotel for defamation of character is one of those
things that just leaves me unable to inhale an exhale properly.

(01:11:37):
And it's not even laughter, it's just stunned shock that
they defamed his character by claiming things about him that
weren't true, like he didn't pay his bill right or whatever,
and he's going after him for that because it's hurting
his character. I don't know how to tell you this, Juice,

(01:12:00):
but there's no possible way that anyone could defame your
character more than you've already defamed it. That that's just
unbelievable to me. Think about just the gall and the
nerve to sue a hotel because you think they are
putting you in a bad light publicly, and your name
is a rental James Simpson. I could just get quiet

(01:12:26):
now for a couple of minutes and let you actually
try to process that. But that's the thing that happened.
And now he's commenting on people's injuries or Andrew Luck
or tiring and football, and he's starting to Twitter and
he's talking, and you know he's trying to deliver hot takes. Dude,
nobody cares. You know, only time I want to see O. J.
Simpson is when I'm watching a rerun of The Naked
Gun Nordberg or not a But he's of course got

(01:12:54):
to take on this Miles Garrett thing as well, and
I would care about his football knowledge, except I don't
care about any of his knowledge. The Myles Garrett thinks
bad news. Myles Garrett was known to be a really
classy guy that got it right off the field and
was a terror on it, a sack machine. I think

(01:13:15):
it was thirteen sacks last year. He was fourth in
the league at the time of this incident, had been
a b since being the number one pick and overcoming
the original injury was unreal what Texas A and M.
Chase Young is considered the best defensive prospects since Myles Garrett,
and we know how good Chase Young is. But when

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you read the PostScript of Myles Garrett's career, whenever it
comes to a close and you're reading the bio or
whatever it is about his time in the National Football League,
within the first couple of sentences, it's going to be
this incident. And when you think of Myles Garrett, you're
not going to think of all of the many great

(01:13:56):
plays that he's made, or even some of the funny
things that he's done, or the nice things he's done,
the charitable things he's done. You're gonna think of a
helmet being swung at full speed to a quarterback's head.
And that's just gonna be it. You never want to

(01:14:17):
be known for the worst thing that you ever did. Unfortunately,
that seems to be the way it goes when you're
in the public sphere. Remember what I just said about O. J. Simpson.
O J. Simpson ran for a whole lot of yards,
ran for a whole lot of touchdowns. It was pretty funny.
As Nordberg and the Naked Gun did hurts, ads did

(01:14:38):
all sorts of stuff. There's only one thing we know O. J.
Simpson for, and it's the worst thing that ever happened
to him at his own hands. These two situations are
not the same. But you have to feel a little
sorry for Myles Garrett because if he just let his
emotions get the better of him, he made that decisi

(01:15:00):
as and and it's such a poor decision that right
there in a split second change. Now everybody's gonna perceive
Myles Garrett for the remainder of his life. Certainly his
public life was the suspension fair? Should Mason Rudolph have
been suspended as well? More of these bad takes. All

(01:15:23):
of this is stuff that I still want to get into.
Plus Todd Haley coming after Freddie Kitchens about this. This, folks,
is the devolution and the internal just combustion of the
Cleveland Browns franchise right before our very eyes. There were

(01:15:44):
too many elements that could force this to go wrong.
One of them definitely got it right. And what he
said to Aaron Andrews will let you hear some of
Baker Mayfield's post game and then some horrific reactions from
players who went after Baker Mayfield for what he said there.
There's just so many layers to this story. Tweet me

(01:16:06):
at j mard Zone if you are somebody that has
not gotten your take out and you feel like you
have something that needs to be said. But let me
tell you something. Because of some of the things that
I have said and have read and have gotten in
response two things I've said over the past couple of
days about this story, social media is not mandatory. I
promise you don't have to be heard on this. Be
better to just stay quiet because there are a lot

(01:16:29):
of people that are exposing themselves in a real bad
way over the last forty eight hours. We'll be right
back with the final segment of this hour. Here is
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credit scorecard limitations apply. The Miles Garrett story has brought
out some of the worst takes we've seen, at least
in a few weeks. I mean, it is Twitter. It
doesn't take long. I don't know how far we have
to go back. I'm not even sure. I'm sure they've
probably been some bad takes over the last day about
towah as well. Mm hmm. But the Miles Garrett thing,

(01:17:36):
we lay out one piece of this story that you
can't overreact to because I can't imagine Miles Garrett was
thinking about this in the moment. And he's had three
incidents this year now that are very uncharacteristic for Miles Garrett,
one of them being getting into an altercation with Delaney

(01:17:58):
Walker in the opener this year. But he's had three
separate incidents. This was the most egregious and the one
we'll see this forever because Fox had like the perfect
replace of this to see it. And when you see
the one in slow motion where you see this guy
rear back with everything he's got, with the helmet down
low and he's gonna go with that full motion swing,

(01:18:19):
you realize that Mason Rudolph could have died. Luckily did
not hit him with the crown of the helmet. If
he had, he might have killed him. Was Myles Garrett
intending murder? I don't think so. He just got a
little bit hot. But we have to remember Mason Rudolph's

(01:18:40):
concussion from a few weeks back, where he was motionless
on the field and Juju Smith Schuster actually broke into tears,
almost went hysterical because he wasn't sure he wasn't witnessing
the end of someone's life. But you can't fault that

(01:19:03):
on Myles Garrett in terms of that, I don't think
Myles Garrett even I'm he may have known it, but
I'm sure in the moment he didn't think about it.
So when you think, hey, he did this to a
guy who had a concussion, how evil? Slow down on
that one. That's about the only one where I'm telling
you to slow down as it relates to this. I'm

(01:19:23):
not saying Miles Garrett if he's out there the next
time he's out there whenever that is, that he would
do something like this again. But I can tell you
that there's a cultural problem in Cleveland. I can tell
you that there is an issue in the Cleveland Browns,
and there is no leadership on the Cleveland Browns. There
might be some leadership on the field. We come back,

(01:19:43):
We're gonna let you hear from Baker Mayfield off the
top of the third hour. We'll let you hear what
Baker Mayfield had to say to Aaron Andrews and maybe
some other audio as well from everything that went down
on Thursday and on Friday as well. Todd Hayley, former
OC saying that Freddy Kitchens is to blame for this.
It's a second guy now that's going after Freddie Kitchens

(01:20:04):
this season. If you remember the offensive line coach, the
former offensive line coach said that he shouldn't have gotten
that job to begin with because he wasn't really responsible
for the resurgence of the Browns last year, and now
Todd Hayley's coming after him. There's a whole lot of
bitter beer face here. There's a whole lot of I
wanted this and I don't have it. But Freddy Kitchens,

(01:20:25):
he's not right for that job. He's not ready for
that job. They are detonating right in front of his
very eyes. When we come back more on this final
hour of the program, welcome man. Maybe you're waking up,
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(01:21:10):
we do every single Sunday morning, the final hour. We'll
break down the NFL schedule for the day, pick winners,
and discuss the games of note, and there are some.
There's already been one this week in Division A f
C North Brown's beat the Steelers seven. Nobody cares about

(01:21:32):
that because they're talking about what happened with Myles Garrett.
Mm hmm. We're gonna play some audio for you here.
The Browns are a dumpster fire. They do have a
schedule that is conducive to a decent stretch to end

(01:21:52):
their season. That win was a big one that they
just got in division against the team that also has
a pretty easy schedule coming up, and one that they
definitely couldn't afford to lose. But Cleveland's now four and six.
Here's the rest of their schedule. Dolphins at Steelers. We

(01:22:15):
gotta play Pittsburgh one more time, so, Dolphins at Steelers,
Bengals at Cardinals Ravens, which of course is difficult. And
at Bengals. They got two against the Bengals coming up,
They've got Arizona. They've got Miami in addition to two
more division games outside of the Bengals with the Steelers

(01:22:37):
and Ravens. It's very possible looking at this schedule that
they could finish and nate there were three and six.
But I'm here to tell you it's also very possible
that they finished this season six and ten because how

(01:23:00):
you trust them? They don't have a coach that has
any experience in this and this is just not a
good position. This was not a hire that needed to
be made. It's not that nobody should have taken a
chance on Freddie Kitchens at some point, but why are
you taking a chance on him right now? Todd Hailey

(01:23:23):
went on Serious x M on Friday. He said this,
this falls squarely right on the head coach to this.
To me, this comes back to coaching, because the head
coach talks to every assistant coach, who then talked to
their groups of players. And there's an old saying in coaching,
you're either coaching it or you're allowing it to happen.

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If you're not coaching it, you're allowing it to happen.
And when I watched the Cleveland Browns, I see a
lot of stuff being allowed to happen, whether it's clown
shoes visors whatever it may be. Miles Garrett hitting the
quarterback low, hitting the quarterback in the head, it's happening
too much. Kitchens reply, I don't really get much thought

(01:24:06):
into what todd says. I'm not even gonna respond to it.
I know the way, we continue to talk about maintaining
our composure, and we have to do a better job
of maintaining our composure everybody. Here's somebody who did say
the right thing in a tough moment, and of course
there were some knuckleheads after this that responded badly. But

(01:24:28):
if you have not heard this, here's at least part,
if not all, of what Baker Mayfield said to Aaron
Andrews right after the altercation and of course after the
big win that we should have been talking about that
no one was talking about because of what his teammate
had just gotten engaged in. Here's Baker Mayfield. That's an
excusable I don't care a rivalry or not. We can't

(01:24:50):
do that. That's that's kind of the history of you
know what's been going on here lately, hurting yourself and
that's just endangering the other team. That's an excusable He
knows that. I hope he does now, It's just it's tough.
He also said he's gonna get suspended for that. In

(01:25:10):
response Bruce Irvan, who plays in the NFL Tach McKinley
of the Falcons. It was Irvan first, and it was
Tach McKinley responding to him, And I'm sure there are
probably others. Those are the ones that I saw accusing
Baker Mayfield of snitching in public on Miles Garrett, and

(01:25:33):
then Tach McKinley saying, shaking my head, can't did you
see that? In response to it, What in the world
are you are these two thinking? He was asked a question.
I'm not exactly sure what he was supposed to say there.
But there are times where things get lost in translation,
or you don't get the full context of something, some

(01:25:54):
tape gets doctored, you don't actually hear what was said,
You hear what they wanted you to hear. All this
kind of stuff. We saw this video from a ton
of different angles on Fox. Millions of people watching this
primetime game. I think it was sixteen point one million
that saw it. According to the last numbers that I saw.

(01:26:17):
There was no missing context here. We didn't just see
a snippet of this. We didn't just see one side
of this. We saw all of this. There's no snitching
that can be done here, Bruce. Sorry, There's no way
Baker Mayfield could cover for Miles Garrett in this situation.

(01:26:40):
Myles Garrett didn't even try to defend it. Really, no
one did, so that just that just threw me for
a loop when I read that. I knew that it
was coming, but players to say that it was unreal

(01:27:03):
then it was. Mason Rudolph clearly instigated this. In the
words of Drake Dwight K shrewd false. Mason Rudolph didn't
make it better, and he got fined as he should
have just for being part of everything. But those that
said that he should have been suspended just as much,
blah blah blah, you're out of your mind. The difference

(01:27:27):
in size between Mason Rudolph and Miles Garrett notwithstanding. But
if you want to go there, you can. Mason Rudolph
was driven into the ground by Miles Garrett after throwing
the football. Now it wasn't the most egregious late hit
you will ever see. But Miles Garrett landed on him
in a way that was should have drawn a flag

(01:27:49):
right then and there. Then it appeared like Mason Rudolph
got his hands stuck in Miles Garrett's helmet. Myles Garrett
was lean meaning on him while Mason Rudolph was trying
to get off him, and then Mason Rudolph tried to
dislodge his helmet. Now he's mad, and for a half
second or so he's trying to get that helmet off,

(01:28:12):
and then of course he didn't actually do it, and
that should have been the end of it. And then
Myles Garrett just lost it. As he's taking his helmet off,
he's lifting Mason Rudolph off the ground. This is how
strong this gentleman is. Myles Garrett is just an unreal size,

(01:28:36):
unreal talent, unreal everything. But he's super powerful, which makes
what happened after he dislodged the helmet and had it
in his hand that much more frightening, because when this
guy rears back and comes at you with a blunt
force weapon that's coming at you with a force of
hand grenade. I mean, I'm being hypothetical and kind of

(01:28:58):
figurative here, but it's coming with a lot of force.
And helmets are heavier than you think if you haven't
held one lately, if you haven't picked one up, there's
some weight there enough so that guys get head injuries
a lot from helmets that aren't anywhere near as violent

(01:29:22):
as the contact that Mason Rudolph was gonna sustain, not
even wearing one. Luckily, he got hit where he got hit,
not on his head. He got hit in a bad
spot on his head, but he got hit with the
right part of the helmet. If that had been the crown,
I have no idea what would have happened, but it
wouldn't have been good. Then Mason Rudolph, after he gets hit,

(01:29:44):
he reacts and then he starts to run towards Myles Garrett,
and I listened to I listened to media types on
multiple networks saying that Mason Rudolph was trying to pick
a fight then with Myles Garrett, he was trying to
get at him and attack him, and that this was
self defense and not what are you talking about, bro,

(01:30:05):
Let me tell you what Mason Rudolph was not doing
trying to fight Miles Garrett unless He's the dumbest individual
in the NFL. He was running up to him to
jaw at him, knowing his offensive line was there between
the two of them. His offensive lineman Di Castro was
gonna stop this from getting any more out of control.

(01:30:27):
Miles Garrett in no way feared for his own safety.
In no way did he see Mason Rudolph as some
kind of direct threat. I'm not in Miles garrett head,
but I have a hard time believing that Myles Garrett
thought that Mason Rudolph was actually gonna step to him physically.
Then Mason Rudolph got hit from behind while he wasn't

(01:30:48):
wearing a helmet by somebody wasn't even on the field.
And then it got even uglier because Marquise Pounce he
stood up for his quarterback, which you know, I've seen
many former players say that guy is now a hero.
Everybody loves him for that. He got suspended for three
games and prod Look, he kicked him in the head

(01:31:12):
and it was kind of ugly, and but ultimately he
was just trying to defend Mason Rudolph. Remember again, like
I said in the last hour, Mason Rudolph had a
concussion about three weeks ago against the Panthers. Believe it
was the Panthers and was motionless on the field, That

(01:31:33):
does not make this worse in terms of Miles Scarret,
because he had no idea might have just been unfortunate.
He may have known he had a concussion, but in
that moment, he wasn't thinking, ha ha, he's got a concussion.
I'm gonna crack his skull with his helmet. I'm not.
I'm not it. Like I said, I'm not Myles Garrett's head.
But I have a hard time believing that's what he
was doing. But even if you believe that Mason Rudolph

(01:31:56):
is somehow to blame here in some my old way,
because he instigated this thing or egged it on in
some fashion, one action does not make the other excusable.
If I come up and shove you, that doesn't mean
you have the ability to grab a baseball bat and

(01:32:18):
crack my skull in. I might be a jerk. If I,
you know, push you hard into a wall, that doesn't
mean you pull out a knife and stab me. These
two things are not equal. The helmet thing has happened before,

(01:32:41):
maybe not in front of this large an audience in
prime time and with this level of force, But it's
happened in practice a couple of times. I think Incognito
handful of years ago was involved in an incident where
he was hit with a helmet, But this one just
felt like it was so much more violent and past
the line of what we assume is acceptable in football,

(01:33:06):
that the NFL had no choice because if they want
you to believe that they care about safety, that ben
in Amalu and League of Denial and all of those
things matter, and that they're taking head injury seriously, I mean,
consider this, they clearly are where they want you to
believe they are, because the Antonio Brown helmet saga doesn't
happen if they aren't taking all these rigorous tests to

(01:33:28):
try and bring down the sheer magnitude of head injuries
in the league. So they certainly wanted out there. They
want you to believe that, of nothing else. If they
have an interest in safety and they're promoting player safety,
then this was a scenario where Miles Garrett had to

(01:33:48):
be punished severely for this. He's done for the season.
If they get to the playoffs, he's done for the playoffs.
Then he has to sit down on with the league,
sit down with the commissioner, and they'll determine when he
can come back. I saw a few people suggest he
should be out for all of next year too. I

(01:34:10):
think all of this year is probably enough. He knows
he made a mistake. I don't think that in some
way he thinks it's justified. There are some people on
Twitter that say everything he did was justified and more
power to him. But those people are idiots, folks, and
they expose themselves on social media by saying these things,

(01:34:34):
which is why I continually say social media is not mandatory.
You may think you have a brilliant take, but but
just think about it for a couple of seconds before
you put it out there. The Internet's written in inc folks.
You can't and it doesn't come out. Not even oxy
clean is going to clean that out. You can erase
a tweet, but if somebody screenshott at that joint, it

(01:34:54):
doesn't matter. And there were, like I said, people defending
Miles Garrett and the way in which they defended Myles Garrett.
I remember doing a show locally when the Ray Rice
situation exploded, When the video came out Hold nine and
people called up and tried to talk to me. I

(01:35:16):
had call after call after call, dude calling me to
say that she probably deserved it. And what is a
guy supposed to do if a woman is being physically
aggressive or in any way egging it on, What am
I supposed to do? Well, You're supposed to not do that.

(01:35:41):
This was some of the worst stuff in terms of
defenses that I've seen since that Ray Rice stuff when
I was taking those calls that day. This is not good, folks.
And like I said, if you want, if you just
wanna laugh and cry, then go to Twitter and just

(01:36:02):
search Miles Garrett and then just start to scroll, man,
go to top, go to the latest whatever it is,
and just look at how many people tried to find
any way that they could to excuse what Miles Garrett did.
And you'll know them when you see them because they

(01:36:23):
say things like, I'm not here to defend Miles Garrett,
but oh what he did was wrong, but you'll be
able to tell and right after that, but some of
the dumbest stuff you've ever read will be right there
for you to peruse. It's unbelievable. There is no defense
of this. When we come back we will look at

(01:36:46):
this week in the league. Cleveland's already played. I also
potentially asked for the guy's thoughts on the Miles Garrett
situation as well, But we always break down the entire
NFL slate in the third hour of the show. We're
gonna do that when we come back. Trying to think
right now about a band. I don't know if I
said it last week or not. I don't want to

(01:37:08):
double up on some of these, all right. I know
one that's safe because it just came to me. Candlebox.
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(01:37:51):
is Candlebox. I was never like the most gigantic fan
of theirs. I'm digging this, though not bad. They had
a moment the sun. We have not taught Kaepernick. Maybe

(01:38:12):
we won't talk Kaepernick. He had his workout, he moved it.
Apparently he could throw the deep ball well. He talked afterwards.
That whole story is we'll see, We'll see if anybody
signs him. I don't know. Let's talk about the teams
that are playing on Sundays. It's time for our Week

(01:38:35):
eleven NFL preview. The four teams that are on buys
this week, Green Bay Packers, New York Giants, Seattle Seahawks,
Tennessee Titans. Seattle coming off the big win of course,
on Monday Night Football in the best worst game of
all time over the forty Niners in overtime. We start
in Detroit, Chris Dallas at Detroit. I believe Matthew Stafford

(01:38:59):
is not playing in the game. He is not. I
believe that the Dallas Cowboys are gonna win this one
and probably convincingly. Any disagreement, I can't. I can't. Like
I've been I've been going back and forth some of
my guys talking about Jeff Driscoll, who is probably gonna
start for the Detroit Lions here, and I just can't

(01:39:20):
shake my memories of Jeff Driscoll playing at Florida where
he was not good, and I I'm a for a
believer that again, Matt Stafford was kind of the glue
holding this thing together, and I'm just key. I just
keep worrying about the future. But for this game itself,
I don't really have much to say other than if
there's no Matt Stafford, there's no hope for the Detroit Lions. Yeah,

(01:39:44):
Zeke might be able to run it. I think Dak
Dak had a good game last weekend lost. I think
you'll probably have another solid game. This one doesn't look
good for the Lions at all. Bow. I know you're
not usually in, but we have everybody talking this segment.
How do you feel about Dallas in Detroit. I'm a
fan of whoever is playing Dallas each week, so I
think the Lines are gonna win by at least thirty.

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Oh wow, Jacksonville at Indy. There are a couple of
games I'd written down where I had both of them
still in regular lowercase because I just wasn't so sure
Indy's got Jacoby pre set back, it's at home. They
did not look good last week, but Jacksonville is Jacksonville
and they've got Nick Foles, and this is nick foles

(01:40:27):
first game back. I am very curious to see how
Nick Foles looks and how this offense looks with him,
since the jackson decided to go back to him as
Minshew was kind of coming down to earth a little bit,
was struggling, and the team is just kind of fledgling
right now. I don't you know where I am on
Nick Foles in terms of what I believe about him,

(01:40:49):
even though man do I like him as a human
being and I would actually like to see him play well.
I think the culture just a better football team overall,
and it's gonna be a tough one for Nick Foles
have to go on the road inside to their building
and deal with that defense. I like the Colts, Chris, Yeah,

(01:41:10):
as you say, everything just lined up there. I just
I like the Colts. I like them as a playoff team.
I like everything about them right now, and getting Jacoby
per said back is big for them. This is this
is fascinating because it's gonna be the first time this
year we're gonna see the Jags and the Colts play,
and I feel like this has been a long time coming,
because as much as Jacksonville is a disappointment, I still

(01:41:35):
enjoy watching them play a little bit, if that makes sense.
I want to see what's left there of that team
that kind of fascinated us a couple of years ago. Uh.
That all said, though, yeah, I I think in the
case of Indianapolis, they know who their quarterback is. They're
just waiting. They've just been waiting to get them back.
In the case of Jacksonville, they don't know who their

(01:41:56):
quarterback is. If you don't know who your quarterback is,
you're not in the NFL. YEP, don't disagree, Bo, you
want to take the Jags or do you agree with us? No?
Give me the Jacks. Nick Foles is my guy, So
I I like the Jacks tomorrow. Nick Foles is your guy. Explain? Uh?
Super Bowl? What was that forty? Yeah? Two years ago? Yeah,

(01:42:18):
two years ago. I'm an Eagles fan, so I always
have love for Nick Foles and what he did. All right,
got you Eagles fan? That that makes sense? Buffalo at Miami.
Miami's like weirdly doing things all of a sudden, but
they're gonna do something called lose at home to Buffalo.
I can't imagine the Bills are gonna lose to them.
The Bills are not the Jets, so I think Buffalo

(01:42:40):
will get this done. I I I had Buffalo winning
this a few weeks ago, but Buffalo has been doing
some really odd things and I can't imagine it's gonna
be three straight from Miami though. But I would keep
this game close. Yeah. I don't think it's a blowout either.

(01:43:04):
Miami lost their reason to lose today, so it's gonna
be a competitive game. But I'll pick the Bills for
Eric since he's not here. Yeah, that's yeah. I think
he probably would pick them this time. I mean, yeah,
the Jets are the Jets, and then you get was
it Brian Hoyer out there? Josh Allen may not be
Tom Brady, but that defense is still legit, and I

(01:43:26):
think that's enough. I think Miami makes enough mistakes. Buffalo
probably scores on defense and gets to win that way.
Denver at Minnesota. Denver's got a defense, they got a
running back, but they don't have a whole lot. Minnesota
nice win last week. They're at home. This is in
the first window of games. This is where Kirk Cousins

(01:43:48):
often plays pretty well. I think the Vikings are just
a better team. Even though it looks like Adam the
When is out again, I think the Vikings win this
thing by double digits. Guys at you just referenced the
Jonas Knocks stat about Kirk Cousins playing in the one
o'clock windows. So that's all we really got to say

(01:44:09):
right now. I I've been a believer in the Vikings
since day one. I have them here on the Fox
Fox Sports Radio sheets that we have before the season.
I have them in the Super Bowl, so I I
like them here. They're just gonna keep blowing away. Yeah.
I think the Vikings are like one of the better
teams in football, so I don't see why they wouldn't

(01:44:30):
win tomorrow. So I take the Vikings. Chris, do you
have them? You have the Vikings in the super Bowl? Yeah,
this was my preseason pick. It was Vikings and Chiefs
in the Super Bowl. Not feeling good about that Chiefs
part though, Yeah, a little difficult at this point in time.
I'm still remember I told you last week I was
sure I was almost a boocket situation. The Titans we're

(01:44:51):
gonna get annihilated by the Chiefs. Whoops. And they came
here and lost New Orleans at Tampa Bay. Talk about
something weird the Saints Falcons game last week. I know
it was a division games, so sometimes it's all bets
are off, but that Falcons defense was awful. Couldn't stop
anybody that's a one you know, a one win team,

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and the Saints got three field goals in that game.
That said, everybody can have a clunker. The Saints are
still pretty good even going to Tampa Bay against Tampa
Bay's pretty solid run defense. I know New Orleans isn't
the same team on the road that they are at home,
but I do think they're better than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
I still think they're one of the best teams in

(01:45:33):
the league. So I think the Saints get right against
Tampa Bay. Yeah. I like that there. I I think
you're right that last week. You can shake it off
as a division rivalry game. I tell people all the
time Falcon Saints has always put up some pretty weird
ones in the past five six years or so. And
I also tribute that last game to Drew Brees shaking

(01:45:54):
off some ross hopefully, hopefully he looks good. Hopefully he
looks good coming back in Tampa Bay. I think this
is this can be a get right game for him,
and he can definitely throw on Tampa Bay and for
the Buccaneers. I just I never know what you're gonna
get in Jamis Winston. And I feel like every time
I say that though, the window of possibility for good

(01:46:17):
Jamis is disappearing by the day. He's a turnover machine.
I mean that's uh, I guess that's the that's the
biggest problem. Yeah. And then every now and then he
goes out, as you say, and he puts up like
three fifty yards or something. Yeah, and maybe he does that.
I still think that's not I think you can put
up four or fifty tomorrow and they still lose to

(01:46:38):
the Saints. But the Saints falcon S thing, I'm just
trying not to read too much into it, because, like
you said, New Orleans and Atlanta, that's just that's just
one of those where it doesn't matter. Yeah, I'm with
you on that. Jets at Washington, yikes, that's a football game.
People are actually gonna pay to attend seven dollars From

(01:46:59):
what I heard all right. Well, I would say that's
about six seventy five too much. But because you've still
got a park, that's the problem. I don't even know,
to be quite honest with you, I think Haskins is
starting for the Redskins. Adam Gaze. The Jets ownerships come
out and said they're gonna be patient with Adam Gaze.

(01:47:21):
How very Jets of them to have given him all
this control and he he looks like he's ruining Sam
Donald right before our very eyes. I don't know, I'm
I don't even have anything written down here. I had
both of these like, it's not it's like a toss
up of mediocrity, or maybe it's just a toss up
of awfulness. It's at Washington. I think Levian Belle is

(01:47:45):
supposed to play, though that might be enough. I'll take
the Jets. But man, I'm just glad that I have
red Zone and I don't have to watch this game.
So not to invoke too much classic English, but Herman Melville,
I'm just gonna you're you're asking me to pick this game,
and in the words of Bartleby the scrivener, I would
prefer not to prefer not to that that's my entire

(01:48:08):
take on this whole game. I would prefer not to
I prefer not to watch it. I would prefer not
to think about it. I prefer not to think of
this exists. Yeah. You remember the tagline for the Alien
Versus Predator movie, whoever wins, we lose. That's uh, that's
this game right here. Yeah. I mean, Jets at Redskins

(01:48:28):
is to football what Herman Melville is to football. Legitimately,
Atlanta at Carolina. All right, Falcons went to New Orleans
and one are they gonna go to the Panthers who
just took a tough loss in Green Bay. I'm still
trying to figure out why Ron Rivera went for two
when it was twenty four to sixteen. He's riverboat. I mean, well,

(01:48:53):
I've played Oregon Trail and I've seen like when you
try to forward the river and that thing goes down
and you all die and it's not dysentery. At that time,
I was just why, I don't care if he's riverboat
rang or not. I mean, that's basic math. I wasn't
even good at math in high school, and I know,
just keep getting touchdowns or if you want to go
for to go for it. When it's the game winner,

(01:49:15):
don't go for it early and then put more pressure
on your team, who then has to think to themselves,
all right, well we gotta get in the end zone.
And now we've got to get too, because we failed
on the other one. Now we can't even kick an
extra point. I still think Carolina is a better team
than Atlanta, and Atlanta's defense, as bad as they are,
Christian McCaffrey should run wild on them tomorrow. I'll take

(01:49:38):
Carolina to beat the Falcons. I just want to recap.
In the past three minutes, we've gone from Herman Melville
to Alien versus Predator to Oregon Trail. That's right, give
me what we do. Give me the Panthers. Yeah, the Panthers.
Falcons aren't any good at all. No, they are not,
and they don't have a coach that should have a
job right now, Houston at Baltimore, can we just sit

(01:50:01):
down and watch this? This, ladies and gentlemen, is a
football game. I can't wait to see Deshaun Watson at
Lamar Jackson, my number two and number three m VP candidates, respectfully. Absolutely,
you can play at Daniel Bryan stuff all the way

(01:50:22):
through this Baltimore doesn't have a fantastic pass rush this season,
but Houston has Houston's offensive line. So Houston, we have
a problem there because Deshaun Watson still running for his
life more often than he needs to do. I'm gonna
look at it from this perspective. I still like Deshaun
Watson a hair better than Lamar Jackson. I've been in

(01:50:42):
so big a fan of Watson since watching mc clemson.
I thought he was a no doubt draft should have
been at the top of that draft. He was not.
The Texans get a gym Lamar Jackson. I was not
as bullish on in terms of what he's gonna be
in the NFL. And I've changed my tune on that,
especially with the way Greg Roman is utilizing him and

(01:51:04):
John Harball is a good coach. And here's the way
I see this. It's at home in Baltimore, right. That helps.
But what helps more is one team has Bill O'Brien
on their side. The other one has John Harball and
Greg Roman. I'm gonna take that side. I think coaching,
which a lot of times doesn't make the difference in

(01:51:27):
the NFL as it relates to it compared to what
it means in college. I think the Ravens win at
home simply because I don't trust Bill O'Brien and I
think John Harball is a great coach. So I think
if it's close, give me Baltimore. Wouldn't be surprised to
be wrong here. I love the Shawn Watson. I just

(01:51:47):
think Baltimore right now is on a roll, and I
have a hard time seeing this Houston team coming in
there and beating them in their house. I'll take Baltimore.
I don't feel great about it, but I'll take Baltimore. Yeah,
I'm taking Baltimore just on home field advantage right now,
I don't have These are two really well stacked up teams.
I think Baltimore is the better team, but I think
any given Sunday, Houston can definitely play out of its mind.

(01:52:11):
So I'm just I'm gonna take the home team just
it seems like the safe thing to do, because otherwise
I don't know what's going to happen in this game. Yeah,
give me. Give me Baltimore on the strength of not
just Lamar Jackson, but two former Sooners who play a
big role in that offense, uh Marquis Brown and Mark Andrews.
I don't know this, Marquise Brown that you speak right, right,

(01:52:36):
right right, It's gonna be a good fooble. I just
can't wait to see that one. Like I'm excited we're
getting that this late. With both those teams playing the
way that they are and both of those quarterbacks playing
the way that they are. We've still got five more
games we need to predict. But let's go ahead and
get to Brian Finley, get this last update and be
what is up? Hey, what's going on? Jason? Yeah, Alabama

(01:52:56):
quarterback to a Tungo by Loa done for the season.
He dislocated his hip in Bama's thirty eight to seven
pummeling at Mississippi State. On Saturday. L s U wins
convincingly against Old Miss fifty thirty seven. Tigers quarterback Joe
Burrow had five touchdown passes. Georgia clinches a third straight
SEC East crown after holding off Auburn four team. Justin

(01:53:19):
Herbert had four touchdown throws as number six Oregon wins
thirty four six against Arizona to claim the PAC twelve
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(01:53:41):
Kittle doubtful for today because of knee and ankle injuries.
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four minutes at a Clipper uniform, seventy points of one

(01:54:03):
from the free throw line. He's shooting from the field
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(01:54:26):
The only hard part figuring out which way is easier.
We've got five more games to pick. I feel like
now is a good time to go ahead and take
that final break. So we got the time to devote
to those in this final segment, one more band tonight,
What do we want to go with? Here? Go with
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(01:54:50):
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we got five games left. We'll start in the NFC
West Arizona at San Francisco. San Francisco still licking their

(01:55:34):
wounds from the overtime loss. One of the worst kicks
you'll ever see after one of the best kicks you'll
ever see. Maybe the funniest video I saw a week
long was the one from the tunnel where the football
rolled through while people were just kind of chilling in
the tunnel. That's how off that kick was from the
rookie kicker after he made the first one San Francisco

(01:55:58):
looks like they're not gonna have George all again, but
they're still gonna beat the Arizona Cardinals because they have
a great defense. And I just don't see even though
the Cardinals have been playing better, I don't see their
defense having enough. I don't know that this is a
high powered, high scoring kind of football game. I just
think the forty Niners are a class above the Arizona Cardinals.

(01:56:20):
So I feel pretty confident in saying they will right
the ship after their one loss and get the win today.
The one thing I know about the one thing I
know about this game, Kyler Murray is gonna get a
full day working out running for his life from that defense. Yeah,
Kyler is a lot better in the NFL than I
thought it would be out the gate. And the Cardinals
are actually better team than I thought it would be.

(01:56:42):
But I don't think that matters tomorrow at all. I
think the Niner has been pretty handily. Yeah, it's gonna
be a bad matchup this afternoon for Arizona Cincinnati at Oakland. Well,
Bengals still don't have a quarterback. It's a tough spot
to ask Ryan Finley to come into last week didn't
look very good this week playing against the Raiders Josh Jacobs,

(01:57:06):
probably the offensive rookie of the year. Gruden's got his
team winning, and this is just a good matchup to
get another win and continue on that chase towards maybe
the FC was but at least a wild card spot.
I like the Raiders pretty big here again, no way,
j Green. The Bengals are one of the team, one
of the worst teams in the NFL. I don't think

(01:57:27):
this is a hard one to call, although it is
the NFL, so this is the weird one where Cincinnati
puts up forty and kills the Raiders. Probably, but I'll
take the Raiders as someone who witnessed an Owen sixteen
team with the Detroit Lions over what is an now
eleven years ago, then suddenly witnessed the Browns go Ohen
sixteen a few years ago, and now we're talking just

(01:57:49):
in that span of like three years, we might have
another team going Ohen sixteen. It's accelerating and I can't
keep up. And all I can say is I hope
the O eight Lions can pop some I guess Natty
Light and the Bengals pick up a win. I don't
see it though. Yeah, Like, if any team was gonna
like loose to the Bengals, wouldn't it be the Raiders.
But I'm I'm not gonna pick the Bengals to win.

(01:58:11):
The Raiders are gonna win. Yeah, I agree, this would
be a real Raiders thing for them to do. But
the Raiders so far this year, the Raiders things that
they're doing is winning a decent amount of football games.
I think they'll win another one. New England at Philadelphia.
I think this might have looked better at the beginning
of the year. But the Eagles. The Eagles secondary is
a big problem, continues to be. Their defense is just

(01:58:33):
not very good. New England's defense is good. Tom Brady
has not been great, but the defense has carried them.
It's in Philly, so that's a tough place to go
ask them to play. It's a rematch of a game
two years ago that look, this ain't that game. I
think the Patriots beat the Eagles here. I just failed

(01:58:55):
to see how a mixture of the Eagles secondary and
New England's defense adds up to a Philadelphia wins. I'll
take New England on the road. Yeah, give me New England.
I know we only got like a minute and changed left,
so I'll just bog let bog because he's the Eagles
fan here, right. Yeah, the the Eagles are the most
boring team that I've ever watched play football, and the

(01:59:15):
Patriots are going to win this game pretty handily, I think. Now,
I think that's the Georgia Bulldogs. I think I think
you mix that up. Chicago at the Rams. Chicago has
no offense. They've got Montgomery, but they don't have an offense.
The Rams need a win. They've got the Bears at home.
I think the Rams win this game. It might not
be that much fun to watch, but I think the

(01:59:36):
Rams will win it quickly. Yeah, there's no offense in Chicago.
My friend Ryan Matthews called it an infence, which I groaned.
At RAMSA MS Kansas City at Chargers. I could see
somehow the Chargers winning this game, but I ain't gonna
pick it. I think Casey's mad. I mean, Mahomes went

(01:59:57):
for four fifty plus or went for four forty five
against the Titans and lost last week. The defense is
still giving up a lot and they're giving up a
lot on the ground, so it could be a nice
day for Melvin Gordon. But I just can't imagine the
Chiefs lose again, and so I think the Chiefs win.
Give me the charges. I got a feeling about this game.
M Yeah, give me. Give me the Chiefs in Mexico City.

(02:00:19):
I think they'll throw the ball all around the field.
You've done pretty good with your I am having a
feeling about this game moments. And you took against the
Chiefs before at home, when you took the Texans to
beat them, and you turned out to be right, Maybe
you'll turn out to be right this time. We are
right a lot here on Fox Sports Radio. We'll see
how right Brian No and Andy Ferman are. They're up next.

(02:00:39):
Appreciate you guys. Tune and in of course, follow me
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