October 18, 2025 • 43 mins
LaVar, TJ, and Plax talk about Bill Belichick's rocky start at UNC and how it has altered his overall legacy, Matt Rhule and Fran Brown comment on the Penn State opening, and more! Plus, another edition of Up on Game / Down on Game!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Has this team been exposed? TJ.
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
All I gotta say is this, don't hump the bell man.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
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Sanna and Super Bowl champion Plexicoe Burrets.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right, welcome into hour two. This is up on game.
It is t J. Hushmanzada and plus Goo Burst myself,
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a matter of moments, we're gonna talk Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We've been talking coaches. This seems to be a coach
heavy show today. We're going to talk about uh. You know,
there were some sound bites from coaches around the country
that were being maybe targeted for possible job opportunities, especially
the Penn State one being a big vacancy out there
could end up being the biggest job out there for uh,
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the coaches circuit this this offseason. So we'll touch on that.
And there's always up on game down on game Uh BO,
how did I do this week? Did I spank? Did
I spank them? Did I did I did I last week?
All Right, let me know the calculations, because I feel
as though I got myself together and I'm back to
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my dominant ways. But we'll get to up game down
on game as well at some point in time. But fellas, uh,
we got to start to the top of the hour
off with the u NC Tar Hills the football team.
They had a very interesting loss take place against cal
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in Cal playing against them. They are now two and
four on the season, and the the the bauchery, as
they will say, continues on. For one Bill Belichick, Uh,
what's what's y'all's take on this? Man?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Was?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
This? Is this a bad look on Bill Belichick. Can
this can this stint that he has right now with
the or stench? Some may say with U n C,
can this hurt his legacy? Does does this hurt him?
Come on, man, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
If he had performed very, very well, would it have
helped his legacy?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It would have.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So now that you're not performing well, of course it
hurts your legacy. I'm gonna give you a parallel. At
one point, Roy Jones was on his way to being
the greatest boxer ever. Y'all know I love boxing, so
you know I give you these little comparisons and analogies.
Roy Jones was on his way to being the greatest
boxer we had ever seen.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jamaica. Showed up and tested Machen and he I ate
my porridge.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He loses to Antonio Tarvor. He goes up to heavyweight,
wins a heavyweight championship of the World. He's fighting at
light heavyweight that's one hundred and seventy five pounds, So
he moves up to heavy eight, wins it. He drops
back down to light heavyweight. Everybody said, oh, Roy, why
did you do this? He loves Antonio Tarbor. Then he
goes fights Glenn Johnson loses to him. Roy Jones ends
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up with these multiple losses on his record, and now
he's still one of the greatest boxes ever. But he
is easily greatest. He's not the greatest, but he was
on his way to being the best boxer ever. In
his tarbor twice. By the way, no Tarboro lost one.
No hest, did he lose the first one?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes he did. Yes, Okay, becauseuse when he said, like,
y'all acting like Tarboroa bum though, that's my guy's a
bum nobody. So to me, Bill Belichick, you can't win
without Tom Brady. You have never won a playoff game
without Tom Brady. You're under five hundred without Tom Brady.
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And then you go to college and you can't. You
can't beat average teams, below average teams without Tom Brady.
He's a great defensive coach. I never felt like Bill
Belichick will work in college. I don't know Bill Belichick,
but the way he comes off and his personality, you
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come you, I wish you would come in my living
room and try to recruit my son with that drip
peronality and think I'm a believe you're gonna take care
of my son and so yes, it has to hurt
his legacy because had he done great, it would have
uplifted his legacy.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's only fair. I really don't think. I think it's
too totally different. You know, obviously entities of ball and
being able to being a professional football player to being
a professional coach is a lot different from being a
college coach coaching college players. I mean from a mental standpoint,
just being able to you know, you know, you know,
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from a mental standpoint, being able to go out and
have success on a pro level. Man, it's more mental
than it. Anything is well, especially in college football. I
know we all can relate. Man, playing college football on saturdays,
Man was just going out there having as much fun
as you possibly could.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
If you won the game, you kicked it. If you lost,
you still kicked it.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
But from a college from a professional standpoint, man, you
have to be dialed in mentally understand everything was going
on around you as a player, as a coach. So
when I look at Bill Belichick in college, man and
not having a success, you know, I just think that
some coaches aren't meant for college and he's one of
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those guys. And how in college Nick Sable was my
first year and my second year coach at at at
at Michigan State, and he always told me, he said,
I'm never going to coach pro football because he's not
a He didn't really feel that he's a professional football coach.
He went to the Dolphins for one year, y'all saw
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how that went, and then he went right back to college.
And that's what I think it is for Bill Belichick.
I don't believe that he's a college coach on this
level because I just believe that those kids.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That are in college.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I'm not insulting their intelligence, but what I'm saying is
he runs like a pro style game I would assume
from the quarterback position all the way around defensively, and
maybe those kids just aren't able to grasp, you know,
what he's teaching the coaches. So I don't think that
he's a pro college football coach. I just think that
he should should have stayed away from football. He won
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with Tom Brady, and now you're starting to see some
chinks in the alma him at the college level, and
now you know, we're looking at him. You know what,
maybe he's not who we thought he was.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
We saw chinks and armor in New England when Brady left.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Let me ask this, because again, this is always going
to be for some some type of reason. It's going
to be a major, major conversation as time continues on.
Is there no credit for the fact that he brought
in or he was a part of Tom Brady coming
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to I mean, there's all kinds of quarterbacks that come
into the league every single year. There's always going to
be a late round pick, a late round draft pick,
or an undrafted guy that comes into the league every
single year. But look, you were there when Plex was
in college. Plex, you were there when Tom was in college.
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I was there when Tom was in college. Tom was good.
Tom was good. Tom wasn't a world beater. He was
barely starting. He was splitting time with Hanson, So he
wasn't He wasn't the Tom Brady that everybody got to
know he became in New England. Do we just say
that it's Tom Brady in discredit that he had to
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be with Bill Belichick's team, the staff that he hired,
the staff he put together. Like, shouldn't there be should
that be Tom Brady's success, shouldn't that be synonymous with
Bill Belichick?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It doesn't sound like it. The way DJ putting it,
I know it definitely is. But I think that with
Tom Brady. You look at what Tom Brady was drafted at.
He wasn't this team All American quarterback in college? I
played against them twice, And I think the evolution of
him over the years is obviously what got him to
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being the goat and Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But don't you have to put that on the environment
that was created for him? Does that directly fall on
Bill Belichick? Ta? Good? Wait?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait?
You said directly fall on Bill Belichick because of the
environment that he put Brady in. It that's his environment
because he's a hard coach.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
What about everybody else was that was in that environment
when Brady was there? When Brady left, everybody else was
in the same environment. When Brady left, the environment changed. Oh,
it did change, because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Understand that that the environment changed and the success changed.
But what I'm saying is for Tom Brady to get
to where he got to to become what he became,
isn't that on Bill Belichick to make sure that the
players get to the highest potential level. That again, and
Tom Brady's just happened to be higher than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's a relationship.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Bill Belichick does, in my opinion, get credit for his
development of Tom Brady. But to me, the biggest hit
is when Brady left. Okay, Brady leaves and we all
know this, and he just wasn't able to recreate another one.
Brady didn't just leave and play well. Brady won a
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super Bowl. The next year, he won a super Bowl
and Bill Belichick couldn't get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But that's still when he comes from a player Jones.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, then do the same thing with somebody else.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Then if if you made me, did not create.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Another jay Z, he never created He never created jay Z.
He never created jay Z that But that's what jay
z acknowledges. So you're saying you made jay Z, well,
then make another, make another meal, but just sagither.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Just like you said said Bill bellisay is a defensive
money coach. You said he's the best defensive coach football time.
And I played against those defenses back in the early
two thousands, and I love the AFC at three ABC
Championship to those guys, so I know exactly what I
was playing against. So you can't just sit there and
say nobody's taking away from what Tom Brady accomplished. I
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think that we can all agree if you put Tom
Brady on any football team, all the thirty one teams,
that we will be saying having that same conversation about
whoever was coaching him, because he was that good.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It just happened to fall that if he goes to
a different organization out of the draft, tom Brady does
not become Tom Brady. I would be confident disagree. He
might ever, he might not ever even disagree with that.
He might not ever even play you out of your mind.
He might not ever even play a down and.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Washington go drug test LeVar right now, somebody, y'all, y'all
Brady was in Washingtons, which you y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Would have had multiple Super Bowl championships. No way, don't
sit there and tell me that you would. Crazy national
titles he got in college.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're talking about college. How many national titles he got
in college?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
We're talking about what was his record in college football?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He was? He was. He was a pretty dog one
good college quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Pretty good people were average in college and great and professional, yes,
great college and sucked in the pros.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's the point I'm trying to make, TJ. You know
how many dudes are sitting at home, sitting at home
that were better football players than what we probably were.
Do you know how many of them are sitting at home? Like, Bro, Like,
let's not make it sound like like you just gonna
go anywhere and be the greatest ever all time dude
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that had the environment.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
To be able to do that being being being a
mentally smart person.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You don't see that, Like everybody just looks at the physical.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Everybody always want to look at the physical, and a player,
you have to have a mental capacity to handle everything
around you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Bro, there's a lot of it. There's a lot of
athletes that that pro that have gone pro, going pro
that had the mental capacity of a Tom Brady or more.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They don't No, they don't go tripp it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You've lost your mind.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The mental capacity is the reason why Tom Brady is
the greatest football player of all time.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Hey, how many quarterbacks you played with that headed mental
capacity that with Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Name name one. I never played with Tom Brady, So
I don't know. I never played with Tom Brady. How
are you going to say that this is what I
do know. This is what I do know. I've been around,
so it's really into. I've been around some really really
intelligent dudes, and I would be more than water. I
would be more more than than uh than than confidence.
(14:10):
Saying that Todd Usak that played quarterback in the league,
who went to Stanford is smarter than Tom Brady, I
would have no problem saying that. I could say that
Tebron Hamden, that played quarterback in the league is probably
smarter than Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You're talking, I need to stop that. No, no, you
need to stop stop. You're talking smarter from a book
in a.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Intelligent You're saying intelligence, my mind, brain capacity. Just because
you talk louder doesn't mean I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, TJ.
Let me look.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
No, no, listen, we're talking a football capacity, a football
smart understanding football.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Mentally. They can be smart intellectually.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
That doesn't mean in the game that they can process
things as quickly as Brady and get the job done.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
That's what we're talking about. He's a Mentally, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Not better than he's not. He's not better than then,
he's better than everybody manning.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He's not he's better than he's not.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I disagree wholeheartedly. Will this is I disagree.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
This is what I will say when you say he's
not smarter than a Peyton Manning. I think we can
all agree that the Indianapolis coach had a better football
team on paper when they were going to New England
and they could not get past him.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
End Wayne Alvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Even James no Way, Dallas Kloe, Joe White, Freeny no Way.
Maybe one of those wide receivers or running back that
was that player in.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The defensive always loaded, always man, always run, always loaded
offen the front, defensive fronts, always always a well. The
only the only position that they did not have until
they had Randy Moss was that receiver. That's it. They
had the blasphemy rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So you mean, so you mean to tell me back
in what I can go back for whatever the case is,
that the that the Indianapolis coach did not have a
better offense for possibly rhetor he never had a reguaying
he didn't have an edge.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
James and he didn't he did have running backs. He
had running backs. I mean, we're not going to say
he had an Edger and James. I'm not going to
diminished Edgering James, but he had good running backs in
his backfield. He did Kevin running back, dope running back.
There was some dope running backs in that that get
Hall of Famous. They get that awful of famers. A
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lot of the reason why them guys became Hall of
famers because they had planning to a lot of the
reason why they became Hall of Famer is because they
had Peyton Manning and I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Talking loud, and did it with less.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Then why don't he have any Hall of Fame receivers?
Because he just said he did it with less, Then
why didn't he have more? Because they should have became
more because he was so great. Like these dudes be bombs.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
They not bombs, the bombs nobody said they were.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
They not Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But maybe they don't turn into Marvin Harrison and Reggie
Wayne if they go to a different team. And I
feel the same exact way about Tom Brack. Tom Brady
might not even even touch the field where he got drafted.
And if he was so good coming out of college
and was supposed to be this messiah of quarterbacks that
played in the league, then why did he go so
late in the draft. Why did so many quarterbacks go
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before him in that draft? It happens all the time.
We don't see tom Brady's emerge. We don't have tom
Brady's emerged. There's a guy that gets drafted late every
single year, and that's a quarterback. Every not happen all
the George Sanders has yet to start a game, play
a game in the National Football League yet, and he
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went earlier than Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It happens every year.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Happened all the time. That does not It does.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
If you're sitting here saying that quarterbacks are being drafted
in the fifth and sixth round and they're going out
on a football field and having a career that Tom
Brady has had.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm not saying I'm not no, no, no, don't draw
no wrong conclusion. I'm saying that the guy that getting
drafted time, that they get drafted late. Quarterbacks get drafted
late all the time. I'm not saying. I'm not saying
that they go out there and have there's only one
guy that's gone out there and had the career that
Tom Brady he's had. The point I'm making is is
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that they do get drafted all the time, and it
matters to have a Bill Belichick, and it matters to
have an environment that Bill Belichick created to have a
Tom Brady emerge from that late ass draft pick that
he was drafted at. That's what I'm saying. You don't
have that happen every single year. You gotta have the environment.
You gotta have the development, you gotta have the understanding,
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the support, you gotta have some other things. You gotta
stay healthy, you got you gotta have some guys can
make plays for you. You don't just go out there
and become Tom Brady because you have the mental capacity
to become Tom Brady. Y'all stop that, man. I'm just
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm resistant
to accepting that. Y'all some respect on Bill Belichick's name,
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how about that. I am all right. We gotta take
a break. We went along. I'm sorry. I did not.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hate it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I did not hate on I didn't. I just I
acknowledge that he is the greatest. I'm from Pittsburgh. You're right,
you didn't hate on him. You didn't. I did not.
I did not discredit him. I did not discredit him.
I'm just saying I'm not going I'm just not going
to bend the knee to Tom Brady like y'all just
did on live radio. That's all I'm saying. I'm not
gonna bend to knee. I think y'all need he needed
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some support to become what he became. Y'all don't think
he did. Y'all think that he was just a football side.
I guess that's what it is. I mean, I trust y'all.
That's why we do the show. I mean, I bang
with y'all. So, I mean I get where y'all coming from.
I guess I don't know. I mean, let's take a break.
Let's let's keep the debate going on. I mean, you
know there's some coaches. Let's let's see what y'all's opinions
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on this is. Uh, well, they're shutting down the rumors
in the talks of what could possibly have or could
happen in terms of the opening at Penn State. Uh,
this is up on game. Uh, that's t J. Hushman's OUTA,
that's Plexico burs and Uh I'm LeVar Arrington. Yeah, I
hope y'all enjoying the show. We'll be right back after
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of the air. Fellas, It's it's interesting times when when
a major opening comes in the college football ranks. Penn
(24:11):
State we talked about it earlier, uh and our feelings
about it. Well, there's some prospects out there. Obviously we
heard about Kirk Signetty he got his deal, but there's
another you know, there are a couple others that were
out there. Matt Ruhle, one of my teammates from Penn State,
was a linebacker there and he coaches at Nebraska. Now
(24:34):
his name came up. Fran Brown, his name came up.
These rumors have been out there. Friends of Dope Dude
Man So's Matt Rule. Actually, uh, here's what they they
interestingly enough, here's what they had to say about what's
going on with the coaching situation. Here's Matt Ruhle.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I'm not gonna talk a lot about job openings when
they come. Maybe it's been a while here, but this
is what happens when you win. I've dealt with it,
you know, we've wont to come when I deal with
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Done with bail.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I'm not going to talk about those things ever. I'm
not gonna talk about my contract here. I'm gonna talk about
the team.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you, if anything you want to say to the
Syracuse fan beasts, like this is where you want to be?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I mean, I'm working at Syracuse right now, so I
don't really need to talk about that. If this wasn't
where I wanted to be at right at the moment,
what i'd be standing here at this moment. Yeah, So
I'm just focused on that. I'm focused on being here.
I'm locked in on coaching the players that I have here.
This is where I work at. I think that's disrespectful
to even bring that up and ask that, like, what's
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the point asked in that? To make some media or
me to say something opposite of it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't. I don't feel as though those things were
I don't feel like what Matt Rule said, who was
the first voice you all heard, and I don't hear
I don't hear in fran Brown's voice and what I
heard him say. I don't believe they sit there shutting
down the rumors of them being interested. I think they're
(25:59):
making it a point to say it's disrespectful and it's not.
You know, that's not good good wisdom exercise to talk
about a different job, a different job opening while you're
coaching your current team. I mean, what person would want
you to come out and say, oh yeah, super interested
in the Penn State job. You know, went there, would
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love to coach them. Hopefully they come in and really
really try to put something together where maybe I could
seriously consider it, Like who's going to do that? Like
what's y'all's take on it? Though?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
If I'm Penn State, I want to hire somebody that's
an up and coming coach, like a fran Brown, that
can recruit, that can bring top players in, because when
you really look at the way Penn State plays, they've
always developed defensive players on the offensive end, and college
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or guys are just okay. Then they go to the
league and you like, where was that when you're at
Penn State.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't know the man. We've developed running backs and
receivers running in college receivers. Yeah, we got good Godwin
we got in college. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, come on, man, come on, Godwin. Godwin was a
better is a better player in the NFL than he
ever was at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, he was really good at Penn State. Bro. They
won the Big Ten when he was there.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
All I'm saying is I'm going he was this is
bias running back, Chestercau Johnna, Carter's, Sakuon.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Barkley's all those dudes.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yes, all I'm gonna say is I would hire a
Fran Brown because of the recruiting aspect of it. He's
familiar with that area. He can recruit that area. He's
done very well as Syracuse. And I know Matt Ruhle
played at Penn State. He was a linebacker and all
those different things.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Why do you change your voice tone when when you
said Matt Ruhle, like because what you what you said?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like like I know, like what because a lot of
these a lot of these schools. They oh, he understands
Penn State, he played here. What is there to understand?
They want to win, You want to win. What is
that to understand?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, there are a lot of things to understand, DJ,
But I agree with you, I mean understand winning, Like
I agree with that God.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
When he leaves, hold up, when you leave Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Now they got to find a coach, right, But not
only that, those players now want to leave Nebraska because
a lot of these players, we go to the school
for the coach, not the school. We go to school
for the coach. So now they want to leave. So
it's just a ton of turnover that comes with it.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, it kind of sounded like to me when we
had this conversation earlier about Patrick Kraft, some of the
words that he used and he had to say it
kind of led me to believe that he was looking
for a coach who had played or previously coached at
Penn State. He's looking for a Penn Stater or to
take the sideline as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I don't, I don't. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
That's what That's the way it made me feel. We mean,
that is our values, that that that is how he
made me feel with some of the rhetoric and the
words that he used. Uh, you know, as far as
hiring their next head coach at Penn State, I mean
there's Jim, There's some guys.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean there's Jim Cardwell, he's a Penn State or
he's old. I'm not saying it's Max. I don't know.
It just seems like there's a lot of guys that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
It seems like he's going to dig into Penn State
bag for for who's going to be the next head
coach exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm not made Maybe I would say confidently, I don't
think that that's the case. I think I think Pac
Graft wants to win a But I know, just my time,
I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm gonna be honest
with you.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I don't think Penn State is really going to do
better than what James Franklin has done over the past
few years.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just looking at the schedule, whether you're basing that
off of like, are you basing it off?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
We're going to see how the rest of the season goes,
and then we can have a better understanding of just
how good or how well James Franklin has been doing
previously until this season, but that his team and his coaching, well,
they're under a whole different direction as far as the
head coach is concerned. They don't coach. Coaches don't coach
(30:27):
the same way. So moving forward with the schedule that
I just I will at Ohio and there.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't think you in any of those games. I
don't know if James was still there. Maybe we don't
know because we don't have the opportunity to see.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get back, I'm gonna get
back to I'm gonna get the wild Cats.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Bro, I'm gonna get Cats. Part of it. I agree
with TJ. I know, friend, I think he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He was able to lure way Angelly from the Dame
to get him to go to Syracuse and Syracuse. Syracuse
used to be at that station for kids wanted to
go to Syracuse and play football, to Carrery Dome, all
of those things. But I think Penn State it makes
a lot of sense to me for him being from Camden,
New Jersey, understanding recruiting in this area, and he's an
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up and coming good coach who has it. Syracuse has
been able to rebuild a program putting a respectable.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Product on the football field.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But you never know, and getting back to the players
go play for the coaches, it's something that we forgot
to ask you. So how does that affect you and
your young man? And as far as him playing at
Penn State knowing that James Franklin is no longer there
or you did not want to answer, I didn't choose
(31:51):
Penn State for the coach. I chose Penn State because no,
I'm talking about your son.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying so, dovetails and to
the point that that I'm making, we have we had
become a part of that community, right, so when I
when he was growing up, when they were growing up,
they they were acclimated and they lived in it, and
they that was a part of who they were growing
up and and they had their own experiences. I didn't
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choose for them to go there. And when asked why
did they go there, the twins together, it's because of
everything that that we discussed. James Franklin was a major
part of it, but not the only reason. And and
so you know, the conversations that I've had with with them,
both both Leyla and Man during this time. It's just
(32:43):
it's it's kind of it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Man didn't like it for coach, like felt bad that
that it ended this way. But at the same time
he was like, look, I'm focused then on what I
need to do, and I'm gonna make sure or that
I get my grades and I'm gonna make sure that
I'm putting my best foot forward on the field. Like
That's what he said to me, and then was kind
of he was done with it. So something most most
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guys do go to schools for the coaching staff and
for the coaches. And I think that the only way
that answer can be answered by him because I allow
him to have that that type of conclusions and feedback.
I do not. I do not force him into his conclusions.
I think we're gonna have to wait and see who's
hired to figure out what's next for him at Penn State.
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I think that that's.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Many people, and just like TJ sail it, absolutely so
many people, but it's not him.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But it's not It's not like it's like I'm leaving
now because I came here to play for James James Franklin, respectfully.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So when I asked for more than that. When I
asked you the question, you said, you went to Penn
State because of the school, got the coach. Is that
what you just said?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It was they played a really really good brand of
football and that brand defensively for you, Yes, and what
you wanted to do. Because because it pends about what
you're saying. The crazy thing about what you're saying is
I wouldn't have did anything that I didn't do because
of the experience I had. But I'm just being honest
with y'all, I would have went to the school that
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had the best quarterback prospect period if if I was
choosing now today. So when man Man chose Penn State,
we're looking at the fact that you got you got
Drew Aller, You got Drew Aller, you.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Came into this the season as a trophy candidate.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
What do you tell what I'm saying. So, and there's
some high, highly touted guys that came in with Man
in his recruiting class. That's I would have made a
lot of my decision based off of how good the
quarterback was that was there and was going into the
school today Because of LBU defensively everything that you wanted
(34:57):
to do, but not so much to play for Joe Batno. Yes,
that's that's kind of correct. Yeah, yeah, that's news. Yeah.
I mean, and Joe Paterno was a major draw because
he's you know, his reputation. But I mean yet, I
mean that was kind of you know how it kind
of played out for me. So anyways, let's get a
(35:19):
let's get an update from Ilo. Way you got islo,
what's going on in sports today?
Speaker 9 (35:23):
Sir LeVar I got seventeenth rank Vanderbilt holding a seventeen
to thirteen halftime lead over number ten LSU.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Hunder setter wow fort Dlights trailing by three.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There's the step. It's a handoff for Seti's he launches corta.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Gol lot He's got it touchdown.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Better belt set kind of tender punt pork and Cody
Gold bet Dworms leaders bit wait for the second quarter
against the Tiger.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
The call on w p RT again. That game now
at halftime with Vanderbilt leading tenth ranked LSU seventeen to thirteen,
and fellows LSU fan are not amused. These following post
courtesy of the popular social media curating account message board geniuses.
At Flapping, Pierre no word on what exactly was flapping
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posting quote, can we pull a James Franklin and fire
Kelly after this.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Game if we lose?
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Who cares anymore about a buyout?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Amount? Done with this loser? Unquote?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Are you paying your board? Are you paying that buyout?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I have a feeling at Flapping, Pierre might have some
other concerns before he can dig into what I'm sure
is an ample bank account.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Then we have.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
At Ghostface underscore kill a little Wu tang reference by
the way, I like that. I hate this coaching staff.
This team can't be this bad with this much talent.
And then at Big c adding quote, this offense is
still dog bleep. Yet our sunshine pampers believe each week
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will be a breakout for the offense unquote have not
heard the phrase sunshine pampers in reference to college football analysis.
Well done at Big Sea anyway. Number twelve, Georgia Tech
and Duke tied at seven at halftime. Here's how the
Blue Devils equalize the call on WDNC.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Here's a snap to MINSA looking to throw hastime winding
down lost one to the inZone, it's time and it's
a touchdown for Landing KG showing off the physicality. He
just threw the defender to the tech and he's got
a touchdown his start of the season.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Meanwhile, in ann Arbor there at halftime, they're Michigan and
Washington tied at seven, the Huskies tying the score on
a one yard touchdown run by Jonah Coleman.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Guys, back to you appreciate, I love enjoy today fellas.
We're gonna take a quick break. We're going to get
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up on game. Hope you guys enjoyed the show. Immediately
(39:45):
following our show, Jonas Knox will be coming on. Would
have loved to gotten to a tongue of a low
a conversation about the things he said and then he
walked them back, but we didn't have enough time. Time
flies when when you're having those locker room debates with
your brothers. So I hope you guys enjoyed it. But
now it's time for me to whoop these cats on
(40:07):
what I do, because this is what I do when
I do. Time for this.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
For some picks. Are you up on game?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Let's crack this U, let's break it up. BO tell
them how I dominated TJ last week?
Speaker 10 (40:25):
God, yeah, no, I had to run the numbers a
few times. Go, TJ went five and one last week.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Stop playing with me. That's when I stopped playing with me.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
LeVar went, LeVar went one in five.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Oh oh, exactly exactly. I mean that I get that
one more time, one more time.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Said yeah TJ. TJ went five and one last week.
LeVar went one in five. So there's always room for improvement.
What I beat plex co Yeah, p plax went.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I beat him about at least I beat one out
of the two. Here you got somew TJ had the
sunshine on his blind dog. Let's go, let's get.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
We're We're gonna start this week in Tennessee as the
Patriots take on the Titans Mike Rabele coming back to
Towny Patriots a seven point favorite on the road. The
total is currently set in forty two and a half
and LaVar will start with you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I'm going to take the under on the points, but
I am going to take the Patriots on covering.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'll take the Patriots. I'll take Donder also and the
plan who I missed the Tennessee. Oh man, you know what,
Brian Callahana just got fired.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
So I'm gonna go with Campbell would be able to
get a first get his I guess second win of
his young career. And I'm going undoing the points because
there won't be a lot of scorn. So I'm taking
Tennessee on.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
The points, all right.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
Next up, we have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers heading to
Detroit to take on the Lions. The Lions a five
and a half point fa at home if he totals
currently said at fifty two and a half, and TJ.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Will start with you.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'll go over the points. Tampa Bay's hurting the receiver.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I will take the Detroit Lions to bounce back after
that loss against Cats.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Man, I'm taking undering the points, and I'm also taking
the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm gonna take the over on the points, but they're
not gonna cover, So I'm gonna take the Tampa Bay
Bucaneers with.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
The points, all right, real quick? Last one Miami at
Cleveland Cleveland a two and a half point favorite. Somehow,
he total is thirty five and a half.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Oh, I'm taking the Cleveland Browns. Miles good defense, and
I'm doing over on the points. You said the game
is at Cleveland. Yeah, I'm expecting bad weather. I'll take
the under and I guess I'll go Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I'm gonna take the over on the points and I'm
gonna take Cleveland to cover.
Speaker 10 (42:53):
All right, that's up on going down again?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Well, thank you. Bo I certainly believe I shall dominate
and bounce back to my dominance week TJ Plex enjoyed
the weekend. Great show. Everybody, stay tuned in for Jonas dooc.
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
Has this team been exposed? TJ.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Huschman, Zanna, let the players aside the game, and Plexico Burress.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
All I gotta say is this, don't hump the bell man.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It's a show with three of the best to ever
do it on and off the field and no live
from the Fox Sports Radio studios. Here's pro Bowlers, LaVar Aring, Ted, TJ. Hushman,
Sanna and Super Bowl champion Plexicoe Burrets.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
All right, welcome into hour two. This is up on game.
It is t J. Hushmanzada and plus Goo Burst myself,
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That's Louisiana hat. Make sure you value some uh. In
a matter of moments, we're gonna talk Bill Belichick.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
We've been talking coaches. This seems to be a coach
heavy show today. We're going to talk about uh. You know,
there were some sound bites from coaches around the country
that were being maybe targeted for possible job opportunities, especially
the Penn State one being a big vacancy out there
could end up being the biggest job out there for uh,
(01:36):
the coaches circuit this this offseason. So we'll touch on that.
And there's always up on game down on game Uh BO,
how did I do this week? Did I spank? Did
I spank them? Did I did I did I last week?
All Right, let me know the calculations, because I feel
as though I got myself together and I'm back to
(01:57):
my dominant ways. But we'll get to up game down
on game as well at some point in time. But fellas, uh,
we got to start to the top of the hour
off with the u NC Tar Hills the football team.
They had a very interesting loss take place against cal
(02:18):
in Cal playing against them. They are now two and
four on the season, and the the the bauchery, as
they will say, continues on. For one Bill Belichick, Uh,
what's what's y'all's take on this? Man?
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Was?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
This? Is this a bad look on Bill Belichick. Can
this can this stint that he has right now with
the or stench? Some may say with U n C,
can this hurt his legacy? Does does this hurt him?
Come on, man, listen.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
If he had performed very, very well, would it have
helped his legacy?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
It would have.
Speaker 4 (03:00):
So now that you're not performing well, of course it
hurts your legacy. I'm gonna give you a parallel. At
one point, Roy Jones was on his way to being
the greatest boxer ever. Y'all know I love boxing, so
you know I give you these little comparisons and analogies.
Roy Jones was on his way to being the greatest
boxer we had ever seen.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Jamaica. Showed up and tested Machen and he I ate
my porridge.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
He loses to Antonio Tarvor. He goes up to heavyweight,
wins a heavyweight championship of the World. He's fighting at
light heavyweight that's one hundred and seventy five pounds, So
he moves up to heavy eight, wins it. He drops
back down to light heavyweight. Everybody said, oh, Roy, why
did you do this? He loves Antonio Tarbor. Then he
goes fights Glenn Johnson loses to him. Roy Jones ends
(03:52):
up with these multiple losses on his record, and now
he's still one of the greatest boxes ever. But he
is easily greatest. He's not the greatest, but he was
on his way to being the best boxer ever. In
his tarbor twice. By the way, no Tarboro lost one.
No hest, did he lose the first one?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yes he did. Yes, Okay, becauseuse when he said, like,
y'all acting like Tarboroa bum though, that's my guy's a
bum nobody. So to me, Bill Belichick, you can't win
without Tom Brady. You have never won a playoff game
without Tom Brady. You're under five hundred without Tom Brady.
(04:35):
And then you go to college and you can't. You
can't beat average teams, below average teams without Tom Brady.
He's a great defensive coach. I never felt like Bill
Belichick will work in college. I don't know Bill Belichick,
but the way he comes off and his personality, you
(04:55):
come you, I wish you would come in my living
room and try to recruit my son with that drip
peronality and think I'm a believe you're gonna take care
of my son and so yes, it has to hurt
his legacy because had he done great, it would have
uplifted his legacy.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
It's only fair. I really don't think. I think it's
too totally different. You know, obviously entities of ball and
being able to being a professional football player to being
a professional coach is a lot different from being a
college coach coaching college players. I mean from a mental standpoint,
just being able to you know, you know, you know,
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from a mental standpoint, being able to go out and
have success on a pro level. Man, it's more mental
than it. Anything is well, especially in college football. I
know we all can relate. Man, playing college football on saturdays,
Man was just going out there having as much fun
as you possibly could.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
If you won the game, you kicked it. If you lost,
you still kicked it.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
But from a college from a professional standpoint, man, you
have to be dialed in mentally understand everything was going
on around you as a player, as a coach. So
when I look at Bill Belichick in college, man and
not having a success, you know, I just think that
some coaches aren't meant for college and he's one of
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those guys. And how in college Nick Sable was my
first year and my second year coach at at at
at Michigan State, and he always told me, he said,
I'm never going to coach pro football because he's not
a He didn't really feel that he's a professional football coach.
He went to the Dolphins for one year, y'all saw
(06:39):
how that went, and then he went right back to college.
And that's what I think it is for Bill Belichick.
I don't believe that he's a college coach on this
level because I just believe that those kids.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
That are in college.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
I'm not insulting their intelligence, but what I'm saying is
he runs like a pro style game I would assume
from the quarterback position all the way around defensively, and
maybe those kids just aren't able to grasp, you know,
what he's teaching the coaches. So I don't think that
he's a pro college football coach. I just think that
he should should have stayed away from football. He won
(07:15):
with Tom Brady, and now you're starting to see some
chinks in the alma him at the college level, and
now you know, we're looking at him. You know what,
maybe he's not who we thought he was.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
We saw chinks and armor in New England when Brady left.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Let me ask this, because again, this is always going
to be for some some type of reason. It's going
to be a major, major conversation as time continues on.
Is there no credit for the fact that he brought
in or he was a part of Tom Brady coming
(07:52):
to I mean, there's all kinds of quarterbacks that come
into the league every single year. There's always going to
be a late round pick, a late round draft pick,
or an undrafted guy that comes into the league every
single year. But look, you were there when Plex was
in college. Plex, you were there when Tom was in college.
(08:13):
I was there when Tom was in college. Tom was good.
Tom was good. Tom wasn't a world beater. He was
barely starting. He was splitting time with Hanson, So he
wasn't He wasn't the Tom Brady that everybody got to
know he became in New England. Do we just say
that it's Tom Brady in discredit that he had to
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be with Bill Belichick's team, the staff that he hired,
the staff he put together. Like, shouldn't there be should
that be Tom Brady's success, shouldn't that be synonymous with
Bill Belichick?
Speaker 5 (08:48):
It doesn't sound like it. The way DJ putting it,
I know it definitely is. But I think that with
Tom Brady. You look at what Tom Brady was drafted at.
He wasn't this team All American quarterback in college? I
played against them twice, And I think the evolution of
him over the years is obviously what got him to
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being the goat and Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
But don't you have to put that on the environment
that was created for him? Does that directly fall on
Bill Belichick? Ta? Good? Wait?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait?
You said directly fall on Bill Belichick because of the
environment that he put Brady in. It that's his environment
because he's a hard coach.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
You're right, You're right.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
What about everybody else was that was in that environment
when Brady was there? When Brady left, everybody else was
in the same environment. When Brady left, the environment changed. Oh,
it did change, because.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Understand that that the environment changed and the success changed.
But what I'm saying is for Tom Brady to get
to where he got to to become what he became,
isn't that on Bill Belichick to make sure that the
players get to the highest potential level. That again, and
Tom Brady's just happened to be higher than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It's a relationship.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Bill Belichick does, in my opinion, get credit for his
development of Tom Brady. But to me, the biggest hit
is when Brady left. Okay, Brady leaves and we all
know this, and he just wasn't able to recreate another one.
Brady didn't just leave and play well. Brady won a
(10:26):
super Bowl. The next year, he won a super Bowl
and Bill Belichick couldn't get to the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
But that's still when he comes from a player Jones.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Okay, then do the same thing with somebody else.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Then if if you made me, did not create.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Another jay Z, he never created He never created jay Z.
He never created jay Z that But that's what jay
z acknowledges. So you're saying you made jay Z, well,
then make another, make another meal, but just sagither.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
Just like you said said Bill bellisay is a defensive
money coach. You said he's the best defensive coach football time.
And I played against those defenses back in the early
two thousands, and I love the AFC at three ABC
Championship to those guys, so I know exactly what I
was playing against. So you can't just sit there and
say nobody's taking away from what Tom Brady accomplished. I
(11:22):
think that we can all agree if you put Tom
Brady on any football team, all the thirty one teams,
that we will be saying having that same conversation about
whoever was coaching him, because he was that good.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
It just happened to fall that if he goes to
a different organization out of the draft, tom Brady does
not become Tom Brady. I would be confident disagree. He
might ever, he might not ever even disagree with that.
He might not ever even play you out of your mind.
He might not ever even play a down and.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Washington go drug test LeVar right now, somebody, y'all, y'all
Brady was in Washingtons, which you y'all.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Would have had multiple Super Bowl championships. No way, don't
sit there and tell me that you would. Crazy national
titles he got in college.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
We're talking about college. How many national titles he got
in college?
Speaker 5 (12:21):
We're talking about what was his record in college football?
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He was? He was. He was a pretty dog one
good college quarterback.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Pretty good people were average in college and great and professional, yes,
great college and sucked in the pros.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
That's the point I'm trying to make, TJ. You know
how many dudes are sitting at home, sitting at home
that were better football players than what we probably were.
Do you know how many of them are sitting at home? Like, Bro, Like,
let's not make it sound like like you just gonna
go anywhere and be the greatest ever all time dude
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that had the environment.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
To be able to do that being being being a
mentally smart person.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
You don't see that, Like everybody just looks at the physical.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
Everybody always want to look at the physical, and a player,
you have to have a mental capacity to handle everything
around you.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Bro, there's a lot of it. There's a lot of
athletes that that pro that have gone pro, going pro
that had the mental capacity of a Tom Brady or more.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They don't No, they don't go tripp it.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
You've lost your mind.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
The mental capacity is the reason why Tom Brady is
the greatest football player of all time.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
Hey, how many quarterbacks you played with that headed mental
capacity that with Tom Brady?
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Name name one. I never played with Tom Brady, So
I don't know. I never played with Tom Brady. How
are you going to say that this is what I
do know. This is what I do know. I've been around,
so it's really into. I've been around some really really
intelligent dudes, and I would be more than water. I
would be more more than than uh than than confidence.
(14:10):
Saying that Todd Usak that played quarterback in the league,
who went to Stanford is smarter than Tom Brady, I
would have no problem saying that. I could say that
Tebron Hamden, that played quarterback in the league is probably
smarter than Tom Brady.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
You're talking, I need to stop that. No, no, you
need to stop stop. You're talking smarter from a book
in a.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Intelligent You're saying intelligence, my mind, brain capacity. Just because
you talk louder doesn't mean I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, TJ.
Let me look.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
No, no, listen, we're talking a football capacity, a football
smart understanding football.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Mentally. They can be smart intellectually.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
That doesn't mean in the game that they can process
things as quickly as Brady and get the job done.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
That's what we're talking about. He's a Mentally, he's.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Not better than he's not. He's not better than then,
he's better than everybody manning.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
He's not he's better than he's not.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I disagree wholeheartedly. Will this is I disagree.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
This is what I will say when you say he's
not smarter than a Peyton Manning. I think we can
all agree that the Indianapolis coach had a better football
team on paper when they were going to New England
and they could not get past him.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
End Wayne Alvin Harrison.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
Even James no Way, Dallas Kloe, Joe White, Freeny no Way.
Maybe one of those wide receivers or running back that
was that player in.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
The defensive always loaded, always man, always run, always loaded
offen the front, defensive fronts, always always a well. The
only the only position that they did not have until
they had Randy Moss was that receiver. That's it. They
had the blasphemy rhetoric.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
So you mean, so you mean to tell me back
in what I can go back for whatever the case is,
that the that the Indianapolis coach did not have a
better offense for possibly rhetor he never had a reguaying
he didn't have an edge.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
James and he didn't he did have running backs. He
had running backs. I mean, we're not going to say
he had an Edger and James. I'm not going to
diminished Edgering James, but he had good running backs in
his backfield. He did Kevin running back, dope running back.
There was some dope running backs in that that get
Hall of Famous. They get that awful of famers. A
(17:00):
lot of the reason why them guys became Hall of
famers because they had planning to a lot of the
reason why they became Hall of Famer is because they
had Peyton Manning and I'm.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Talking loud, and did it with less.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Then why don't he have any Hall of Fame receivers?
Because he just said he did it with less, Then
why didn't he have more? Because they should have became
more because he was so great. Like these dudes be bombs.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
They not bombs, the bombs nobody said they were.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
They not Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But maybe they don't turn into Marvin Harrison and Reggie
Wayne if they go to a different team. And I
feel the same exact way about Tom Brack. Tom Brady
might not even even touch the field where he got drafted.
And if he was so good coming out of college
and was supposed to be this messiah of quarterbacks that
played in the league, then why did he go so
late in the draft. Why did so many quarterbacks go
(17:59):
before him in that draft? It happens all the time.
We don't see tom Brady's emerge. We don't have tom
Brady's emerged. There's a guy that gets drafted late every
single year, and that's a quarterback. Every not happen all
the George Sanders has yet to start a game, play
a game in the National Football League yet, and he
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went earlier than Tom Brady.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
It happens every year.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Happened all the time. That does not It does.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
If you're sitting here saying that quarterbacks are being drafted
in the fifth and sixth round and they're going out
on a football field and having a career that Tom
Brady has had.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
I'm not saying I'm not no, no, no, don't draw
no wrong conclusion. I'm saying that the guy that getting
drafted time, that they get drafted late. Quarterbacks get drafted
late all the time. I'm not saying. I'm not saying
that they go out there and have there's only one
guy that's gone out there and had the career that
Tom Brady he's had. The point I'm making is is
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that they do get drafted all the time, and it
matters to have a Bill Belichick, and it matters to
have an environment that Bill Belichick created to have a
Tom Brady emerge from that late ass draft pick that
he was drafted at. That's what I'm saying. You don't
have that happen every single year. You gotta have the environment.
You gotta have the development, you gotta have the understanding,
(19:24):
the support, you gotta have some other things. You gotta
stay healthy, you got you gotta have some guys can
make plays for you. You don't just go out there
and become Tom Brady because you have the mental capacity
to become Tom Brady. Y'all stop that, man. I'm just
I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm resistant
to accepting that. Y'all some respect on Bill Belichick's name,
(19:46):
how about that. I am all right. We gotta take
a break. We went along. I'm sorry. I did not.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Hate it.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I did not hate on I didn't. I just I
acknowledge that he is the greatest. I'm from Pittsburgh. You're right,
you didn't hate on him. You didn't. I did not.
I did not discredit him. I did not discredit him.
I'm just saying I'm not going I'm just not going
to bend the knee to Tom Brady like y'all just
did on live radio. That's all I'm saying. I'm not
gonna bend to knee. I think y'all need he needed
(20:17):
some support to become what he became. Y'all don't think
he did. Y'all think that he was just a football side.
I guess that's what it is. I mean, I trust y'all.
That's why we do the show. I mean, I bang
with y'all. So, I mean I get where y'all coming from.
I guess I don't know. I mean, let's take a break.
Let's let's keep the debate going on. I mean, you
know there's some coaches. Let's let's see what y'all's opinions
(20:39):
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happen in terms of the opening at Penn State. Uh,
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of the air. Fellas, It's it's interesting times when when
a major opening comes in the college football ranks. Penn
(24:11):
State we talked about it earlier, uh and our feelings
about it. Well, there's some prospects out there. Obviously we
heard about Kirk Signetty he got his deal, but there's
another you know, there are a couple others that were
out there. Matt Ruhle, one of my teammates from Penn State,
was a linebacker there and he coaches at Nebraska. Now
(24:34):
his name came up. Fran Brown, his name came up.
These rumors have been out there. Friends of Dope Dude
Man So's Matt Rule. Actually, uh, here's what they they
interestingly enough, here's what they had to say about what's
going on with the coaching situation. Here's Matt Ruhle.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
I'm not gonna talk a lot about job openings when
they come. Maybe it's been a while here, but this
is what happens when you win. I've dealt with it,
you know, we've wont to come when I deal with
it all the time.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Done with bail.
Speaker 7 (25:02):
I'm not going to talk about those things ever. I'm
not gonna talk about my contract here. I'm gonna talk about
the team.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Do you, if anything you want to say to the
Syracuse fan beasts, like this is where you want to be?
Speaker 8 (25:12):
I mean, I'm working at Syracuse right now, so I
don't really need to talk about that. If this wasn't
where I wanted to be at right at the moment,
what i'd be standing here at this moment. Yeah, So
I'm just focused on that. I'm focused on being here.
I'm locked in on coaching the players that I have here.
This is where I work at. I think that's disrespectful
to even bring that up and ask that, like, what's
(25:33):
the point asked in that? To make some media or
me to say something opposite of it.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I don't. I don't feel as though those things were
I don't feel like what Matt Rule said, who was
the first voice you all heard, and I don't hear
I don't hear in fran Brown's voice and what I
heard him say. I don't believe they sit there shutting
down the rumors of them being interested. I think they're
(25:59):
making it a point to say it's disrespectful and it's not.
You know, that's not good good wisdom exercise to talk
about a different job, a different job opening while you're
coaching your current team. I mean, what person would want
you to come out and say, oh yeah, super interested
in the Penn State job. You know, went there, would
(26:20):
love to coach them. Hopefully they come in and really
really try to put something together where maybe I could
seriously consider it, Like who's going to do that? Like
what's y'all's take on it? Though?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
If I'm Penn State, I want to hire somebody that's
an up and coming coach, like a fran Brown, that
can recruit, that can bring top players in, because when
you really look at the way Penn State plays, they've
always developed defensive players on the offensive end, and college
(26:55):
or guys are just okay. Then they go to the
league and you like, where was that when you're at
Penn State.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
I don't know the man. We've developed running backs and
receivers running in college receivers. Yeah, we got good Godwin
we got in college. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
Yeah, come on, man, come on, Godwin. Godwin was a
better is a better player in the NFL than he
ever was at Penn State.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, he was really good at Penn State. Bro. They
won the Big Ten when he was there.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
All I'm saying is I'm going he was this is
bias running back, Chestercau Johnna, Carter's, Sakuon.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Barkley's all those dudes.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yes, all I'm gonna say is I would hire a
Fran Brown because of the recruiting aspect of it. He's
familiar with that area. He can recruit that area. He's
done very well as Syracuse. And I know Matt Ruhle
played at Penn State. He was a linebacker and all
those different things.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Why do you change your voice tone when when you
said Matt Ruhle, like because what you what you said?
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Like like I know, like what because a lot of
these a lot of these schools. They oh, he understands
Penn State, he played here. What is there to understand?
They want to win, You want to win. What is
that to understand?
Speaker 2 (28:09):
I mean, there are a lot of things to understand, DJ,
But I agree with you, I mean understand winning, Like
I agree with that God.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
When he leaves, hold up, when you leave Nebraska.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Now they got to find a coach, right, But not
only that, those players now want to leave Nebraska because
a lot of these players, we go to the school
for the coach, not the school. We go to school
for the coach. So now they want to leave. So
it's just a ton of turnover that comes with it.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Yeah, it kind of sounded like to me when we
had this conversation earlier about Patrick Kraft, some of the
words that he used and he had to say it
kind of led me to believe that he was looking
for a coach who had played or previously coached at
Penn State. He's looking for a Penn Stater or to
take the sideline as a head coach.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I don't, I don't. That's not true.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
That's what That's the way it made me feel. We mean,
that is our values, that that that is how he
made me feel with some of the rhetoric and the
words that he used. Uh, you know, as far as
hiring their next head coach at Penn State, I mean
there's Jim, There's some guys.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
I mean there's Jim Cardwell, he's a Penn State or
he's old. I'm not saying it's Max. I don't know.
It just seems like there's a lot of guys that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
It seems like he's going to dig into Penn State
bag for for who's going to be the next head
coach exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I'm not made Maybe I would say confidently, I don't
think that that's the case. I think I think Pac
Graft wants to win a But I know, just my time,
I'm gonna be honest with you, I'm gonna be honest
with you.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
I don't think Penn State is really going to do
better than what James Franklin has done over the past
few years.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I'm just looking at the schedule, whether you're basing that
off of like, are you basing it off?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
We're going to see how the rest of the season goes,
and then we can have a better understanding of just
how good or how well James Franklin has been doing
previously until this season, but that his team and his coaching, well,
they're under a whole different direction as far as the
head coach is concerned. They don't coach. Coaches don't coach
(30:27):
the same way. So moving forward with the schedule that
I just I will at Ohio and there.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
I don't think you in any of those games. I
don't know if James was still there. Maybe we don't
know because we don't have the opportunity to see.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
I'm gonna get I'm gonna get back, I'm gonna get
back to I'm gonna get the wild Cats.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Bro, I'm gonna get Cats. Part of it. I agree
with TJ. I know, friend, I think he's a great coach.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
He was able to lure way Angelly from the Dame
to get him to go to Syracuse and Syracuse. Syracuse
used to be at that station for kids wanted to
go to Syracuse and play football, to Carrery Dome, all
of those things. But I think Penn State it makes
a lot of sense to me for him being from Camden,
New Jersey, understanding recruiting in this area, and he's an
(31:21):
up and coming good coach who has it. Syracuse has
been able to rebuild a program putting a respectable.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Product on the football field.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
But you never know, and getting back to the players
go play for the coaches, it's something that we forgot
to ask you. So how does that affect you and
your young man? And as far as him playing at
Penn State knowing that James Franklin is no longer there
or you did not want to answer, I didn't choose
(31:51):
Penn State for the coach. I chose Penn State because no,
I'm talking about your son.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I'm just saying so, dovetails and to
the point that that I'm making, we have we had
become a part of that community, right, so when I
when he was growing up, when they were growing up,
they they were acclimated and they lived in it, and
they that was a part of who they were growing
up and and they had their own experiences. I didn't
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choose for them to go there. And when asked why
did they go there, the twins together, it's because of
everything that that we discussed. James Franklin was a major
part of it, but not the only reason. And and
so you know, the conversations that I've had with with them,
both both Leyla and Man during this time. It's just
(32:43):
it's it's kind of it's it's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Man.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Man didn't like it for coach, like felt bad that
that it ended this way. But at the same time
he was like, look, I'm focused then on what I
need to do, and I'm gonna make sure or that
I get my grades and I'm gonna make sure that
I'm putting my best foot forward on the field. Like
That's what he said to me, and then was kind
of he was done with it. So something most most
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guys do go to schools for the coaching staff and
for the coaches. And I think that the only way
that answer can be answered by him because I allow
him to have that that type of conclusions and feedback.
I do not. I do not force him into his conclusions.
I think we're gonna have to wait and see who's
hired to figure out what's next for him at Penn State.
(33:31):
I think that that's.
Speaker 5 (33:34):
Many people, and just like TJ sail it, absolutely so
many people, but it's not him.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
But it's not It's not like it's like I'm leaving
now because I came here to play for James James Franklin, respectfully.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
So when I asked for more than that. When I
asked you the question, you said, you went to Penn
State because of the school, got the coach. Is that
what you just said?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
It was they played a really really good brand of
football and that brand defensively for you, Yes, and what
you wanted to do. Because because it pends about what
you're saying. The crazy thing about what you're saying is
I wouldn't have did anything that I didn't do because
of the experience I had. But I'm just being honest
with y'all, I would have went to the school that
(34:18):
had the best quarterback prospect period if if I was
choosing now today. So when man Man chose Penn State,
we're looking at the fact that you got you got
Drew Aller, You got Drew Aller, you.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Came into this the season as a trophy candidate.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
What do you tell what I'm saying. So, and there's
some high, highly touted guys that came in with Man
in his recruiting class. That's I would have made a
lot of my decision based off of how good the
quarterback was that was there and was going into the
school today Because of LBU defensively everything that you wanted
(34:57):
to do, but not so much to play for Joe Batno. Yes,
that's that's kind of correct. Yeah, yeah, that's news. Yeah.
I mean, and Joe Paterno was a major draw because
he's you know, his reputation. But I mean yet, I
mean that was kind of you know how it kind
of played out for me. So anyways, let's get a
(35:19):
let's get an update from Ilo. Way you got islo,
what's going on in sports today?
Speaker 9 (35:23):
Sir LeVar I got seventeenth rank Vanderbilt holding a seventeen
to thirteen halftime lead over number ten LSU.
Speaker 10 (35:32):
Hunder setter wow fort Dlights trailing by three.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
There's the step. It's a handoff for Seti's he launches corta.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Gol lot He's got it touchdown.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Better belt set kind of tender punt pork and Cody
Gold bet Dworms leaders bit wait for the second quarter
against the Tiger.
Speaker 9 (35:50):
The call on w p RT again. That game now
at halftime with Vanderbilt leading tenth ranked LSU seventeen to thirteen,
and fellows LSU fan are not amused. These following post
courtesy of the popular social media curating account message board geniuses.
At Flapping, Pierre no word on what exactly was flapping
(36:15):
posting quote, can we pull a James Franklin and fire
Kelly after this.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Game if we lose?
Speaker 9 (36:22):
Who cares anymore about a buyout?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Amount? Done with this loser? Unquote?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Are you paying your board? Are you paying that buyout?
Speaker 9 (36:33):
I have a feeling at Flapping, Pierre might have some
other concerns before he can dig into what I'm sure
is an ample bank account.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Then we have.
Speaker 9 (36:45):
At Ghostface underscore kill a little Wu tang reference by
the way, I like that. I hate this coaching staff.
This team can't be this bad with this much talent.
And then at Big c adding quote, this offense is
still dog bleep. Yet our sunshine pampers believe each week
(37:07):
will be a breakout for the offense unquote have not
heard the phrase sunshine pampers in reference to college football analysis.
Well done at Big Sea anyway. Number twelve, Georgia Tech
and Duke tied at seven at halftime. Here's how the
Blue Devils equalize the call on WDNC.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Here's a snap to MINSA looking to throw hastime winding
down lost one to the inZone, it's time and it's
a touchdown for Landing KG showing off the physicality. He
just threw the defender to the tech and he's got
a touchdown his start of the season.
Speaker 9 (37:48):
Meanwhile, in ann Arbor there at halftime, they're Michigan and
Washington tied at seven, the Huskies tying the score on
a one yard touchdown run by Jonah Coleman.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Guys, back to you appreciate, I love enjoy today fellas.
We're gonna take a quick break. We're going to get
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following our show, Jonas Knox will be coming on. Would
have loved to gotten to a tongue of a low
a conversation about the things he said and then he
walked them back, but we didn't have enough time. Time
flies when when you're having those locker room debates with
your brothers. So I hope you guys enjoyed it. But
now it's time for me to whoop these cats on
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what I do, because this is what I do when
I do. Time for this.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
For some picks. Are you up on game?
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Let's crack this U, let's break it up. BO tell
them how I dominated TJ last week?
Speaker 10 (40:25):
God, yeah, no, I had to run the numbers a
few times. Go, TJ went five and one last week.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
Stop playing with me. That's when I stopped playing with me.
Speaker 10 (40:33):
LeVar went, LeVar went one in five.
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Oh oh, exactly exactly. I mean that I get that
one more time, one more time.
Speaker 10 (40:42):
Said yeah TJ. TJ went five and one last week.
LeVar went one in five. So there's always room for improvement.
What I beat plex co Yeah, p plax went.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I beat him about at least I beat one out
of the two. Here you got somew TJ had the
sunshine on his blind dog. Let's go, let's get.
Speaker 10 (41:05):
We're We're gonna start this week in Tennessee as the
Patriots take on the Titans Mike Rabele coming back to
Towny Patriots a seven point favorite on the road. The
total is currently set in forty two and a half
and LaVar will start with you.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
I'm going to take the under on the points, but
I am going to take the Patriots on covering.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
I'll take the Patriots. I'll take Donder also and the
plan who I missed the Tennessee. Oh man, you know what,
Brian Callahana just got fired.
Speaker 5 (41:41):
So I'm gonna go with Campbell would be able to
get a first get his I guess second win of
his young career. And I'm going undoing the points because
there won't be a lot of scorn. So I'm taking
Tennessee on.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
The points, all right.
Speaker 10 (41:53):
Next up, we have the Tampa Bay Buccaneers heading to
Detroit to take on the Lions. The Lions a five
and a half point fa at home if he totals
currently said at fifty two and a half, and TJ.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Will start with you.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I'll go over the points. Tampa Bay's hurting the receiver.
Speaker 4 (42:08):
I will take the Detroit Lions to bounce back after
that loss against Cats.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Man, I'm taking undering the points, and I'm also taking
the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I'm gonna take the over on the points, but they're
not gonna cover, So I'm gonna take the Tampa Bay
Bucaneers with.
Speaker 10 (42:22):
The points, all right, real quick? Last one Miami at
Cleveland Cleveland a two and a half point favorite. Somehow,
he total is thirty five and a half.
Speaker 5 (42:31):
Oh, I'm taking the Cleveland Browns. Miles good defense, and
I'm doing over on the points. You said the game
is at Cleveland. Yeah, I'm expecting bad weather. I'll take
the under and I guess I'll go Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Flip a coin.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I'm gonna take the over on the points and I'm
gonna take Cleveland to cover.
Speaker 10 (42:53):
All right, that's up on going down again?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Well, thank you. Bo I certainly believe I shall dominate
and bounce back to my dominance week TJ Plex enjoyed
the weekend. Great show. Everybody, stay tuned in for Jonas dooc.
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