February 7, 2019 • 48 mins
Clay Travis brings you all the latest ahead of the NBA trade deadline including Kevin Durant's outspoken remarks aimed at the media. NBA insider Chris Mannix joins the show to break down all of the wheeling and dealings and what he expects to happen in the few hours left until the deadline arrives. Clay shares a theory on the Anthony Davis saga and destroys Jemele Hill for her joke during the State of the Union address!
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Sports Radio. Today is the NBA trade deadline. It comes
down right at three o'clock Eastern, so we have got
let me do the math live. Math on the air
is always a disaster right at nine hours if I'm
not mistaken, right at nine hours until the trade deadline
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is officially here. As we start off at six am
Eastern on the Thursday Show, and people in the NBA
are starting to come undone, particularly the players. We got
a couple of different audios of you that I'm gonna play, um,
but I got a theory for you off the top here,
and we're gonna talk to Chris Mannix covers the NBA.
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He's gonna be on with us next segment and I'll
hit him with some of these theories I got a
theory for you. I think the New Orleans Pelicans, we're
so upset by the way that Anthony Davis handled his
impending free agency that they decided, you know what we're
gonna do. We're just gonna blow up the Lakers franchise
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this year. And do you know how they decided to
do it by doing absolutely nothing at all? Because everything
that Anthony Davis and Rich Paul and Lebron James tried
to manufacture was about Anthony Davis forcing a trade to
the Lakers this year. Rich Paul and Lebron James thought
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they were chess grand masters, and they thought by going
public with this Anthony Davis demand, it would put so
much pressure on the Pelicans that it would force the
Pelicans to deal Anthony Davis. And you know what's happened. Instead,
the Pelicans basically laughed at him, engaged in negotiations that
only went one way, with the Lakers obsessively offering basically
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every player on their roster in exchange for Anthony Davis,
and then they just cut off all contact. Reports are
the Pelicans haven't responded to the Lakers in multiple days now.
And if you watched the Pacers beat the Lakers by
forty two points. You tell me that in the process,
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the Lakers haven't blown up their entire season, because if
they're unable to make any big deal, and it looks
like that is probably likely with about nine hours to
go till the trade deadline, It's three am on the
West Coast right now, and the Lakers have been unable
to do anything to grab Anthony Davis. Meanwhile, the Pelicans
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are saying, so what, We'll just wait until the end
of the year, and then if we decide to trade
Anthony Davis will be able to talk with every single
team in the n b A and we're not going
to allow Lebron James and Rich Paul to dictate to
us what should we should be doing and as a result,
instead of making his team better. I think there's a
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strong argument that Lebron James has blown up the Lakers.
I really do. I think it's very hard to go
back into the locker room and argue, hey, you guys
should listen to me and believe in me. If you're
Lebron James, when you know that entire roster was basically
on the shopping block and Lebron was doing everything he
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could to get rid of everybody. It's hard to trust
Lebron James after that, and most relationships, especially in sports,
are founded on trust. I think Lebron James has fundamentally
lost the trust of his teammates and the Lakers locker room.
And Lebron now is kind of like, uh, gone off
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on this strange soliloquy where he got on Instagram all
up in his feelings and it doesn't make any sense
what he was saying. Did you see all the Lebron
quotes that he put out there? Um, this was a
lead headline and now I see that it's that it's vanished.
But Lebron got on the got on the Instagram machine,
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and he decided to tweet all about the trade of
Harrison Barnes last night that took place while the game
was actually going on. And the Lebron Instagram post, which
I'm gonna read to you basically basically had to do
with the fact that players somebody send me that link
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right now. Um, I want to read that Lebron. Uh,
the Lebron Instagram post. But first everybody's kind of come
and undone. As the NBA trade deadline gets closer and
closer and in particular. In particular, here's the challenge. The
NBA itself on the court doesn't provide any real drama
because the Warriors are by far the best team in
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the league, and as a result, all of the media
is forced to cover all of the free agent and
trade news because that's what the fans actually care about.
And so now Kevin Durant is mad about speculation that
he might go join the Knicks, and in a pretty
extraordinary postgame press conference, he went off on the media
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for speculating about where he might go. If you haven't heard,
this had happened late last night after the Warriors beat
uh the the Spurs pretty soundly. Kevin Durant hadn't talked
to the media for a couple of days. Here's what
he had to say. You've obviously been around the noise
for so long as it's bothering you more. This year
is it louder? This year is unnecessary. You gotta do
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thing Strauss, who come in here and just give his
whole opinion on stuff and make it seem like it's
coming from me, and he just walking around here, don't
talk to nobody, just walking here and survey and then
write something like that, and now you're piling on me
because I don't want to talk to you about that.
I have nothing to do with the Nicks. I don't
know who traded porzingis. They got nothing to do with me.
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I'm trying to play basketball. Y'all come in here every day,
asked me about free agency, asked my teammates, my coaches,
you rill up the fans about it. Let us play basketball.
That's all I'm saying. And now when I don't want
to talk to y'all as a problem with me, come on, man,
grow up. Come on, bro. I come in and go
to work every day. I don't cause no problems. I
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play the right way. I try to play the right way.
I try to be the best player I can be
at every possession. What's the problem? What am I doing
to y'all? I'm talking? So who are you? Why do
I got to talk to you? Tell me? Is that
is that going helped me do my job better? No?
I like talking and all honesty. The players have created
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this situation in the NBA, and now they're upset that
the media is following this situation in the NBA. It's
much more interesting to the average NBA fan whether Kevin
Durant is gonna leave and join the Knicks than it
is talking about the Warriors winning their third championship in
four years. Because they have a super team. It's much
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more interesting for Laker fans, I think, to talk about
who might be joining the team than it is to
talk about this year's team. The NBA has traded on
court drama for off court drama, and the players can't
then get upset when the media is following the narrative
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that they have already set. Lebron James last night on
on Instagram, as Harrison Barnes was traded to Sacramento for
Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph while the game was going on,
he took to Instagram and said, so, let me guess
this is cool because they had to do what was
best for the franchise, right traded this man while he
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was literally playing in the game and had zero idea.
I'm not knocking who traded him, because it's a business
and you have to do what you feel so it's best.
But I just want this narrative to start to get real.
Change all caps and not when a player wants to
be traded or leaves a franchise that he's a selfish,
ungrateful player. But when they trade you, release, wave, cut, etcetera,
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it's best for them. I'm okay with both on both honestly, truly,
am just call a spade a spade. Well, these aren't
similar situations, Lebron and I don't know if Lebron doesn't
see this or if he's been an intentionally uh daft here.
And by the way, Anthony Davis liked this Instagram post.
When a team trades a player or releases him or
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cuts him, it's about the team trying to get better.
If you are a fan of that team, you might
not agree with that move, but you know that your
executive has the same goal that you do, i e.
They want that team to become better. When a player
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like Anthony Davis says trade me, I don't want to
be here anymore, Anthony Davis is making the team that
you care about worse. So those aren't a spade a
spade Lebron James. Those are completely different situations. Now, I
don't begrudge a player for deciding to do what he
thinks is better than him or better for him, I
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should say, but it isn't the same, and you shouldn't
expect fans to react the same way because the team
trading for a player or trading away a player, or
cutting or releasing him is about the team trying to
get better and fan root for teams. A player saying
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I don't want to play for your team anymore is
not the same. Now, a player can make a business
decision like a team can make a business decision, that's fine,
but don't expect fans to react to those in the
same way. Because the fan is rooting most of the
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time for the name on the front of the jersey,
not the name on the back of the jersey. A
player has to take care of the name on the
back of the jersey more than he does the name
on the front of the jersey. Those are not similar situations.
But I do find this amazing that the two best
players probably in the n b A, Durant and Lebron
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are both starting to crack under the pressure of the
situation that they have created. They created the idea that
what matters in the n b A isn't what happens
during the season, it's the drama that happens off the
court during the off season. Lebron created this situation with
decision one, decision two, and decision three point oh. Kevin
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Durant created the speculation that he might go to the
Knicks by the decision that he made in his decision
one point oh when he went to the Warriors. Players
jumping all over and across the country when they become
unrestricted free agents is a huge topic that the media
wants to care about. Think about it. If you're a
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Warriors fan right now, do you care what Kevin Durant
has to say about the game they just won against
the Spurs, Or do you care whether or not he
might be interested in going to New York And that's
why they're trading all of those players at the end
of the season. It's not even close. You can't blame
the media for covering what fans want to hear and
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talk about, and you certainly can't blame the media when
you are the one who helped to create a situation.
The NBA free agency is frankly, a lot more interesting
than the NBA regular season right now, So I don't
know how you blame the NBA media for covering something
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that you created. Be sure to catch live editions of
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the I Heart Radio. Chris Mannox joins us now does
a great job covering the NBA. Chris, what's gonna happen?
Your best prediction between now and trade deadline hitting at
three eastern. Well, I still think there's a handful of
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significant deals that could get done. Um Ultimately, I think
Memphis is going to auction off Mike Conley Marcus al
deal gets done that. They've made it pretty clear that
that they want to kind of reboot this whole thing,
so they're gonna move off both those guys. Uh. An
interesting team I'm watching is Orlando. There are another team
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that outside of Mo Bomba and Jonathan Isaac to their
young players, they've made it pretty clear everybody else is
available and there's some pretty good talents on that roster.
And I guess the you know, the non in the
non Anthony Davis division. It's kind of what's Philadelphia gonna
do with Marquet? Folks. Uh, You're not gonna get dollar
for dollar value back from folks. You're not gonna get
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a draft pick. That's that's commisurate with with what Folks was.
But you may be able to get a rotation player
who can help you in the playoffs. And you know,
the way the Sixers team is kind of being built
right now, that could be a pretty valuable asset to them. Um,
did or have the Pelicans intentionally blown up the Lakers
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pursuit of Anthony Davis to blow up their team in
the process, because if you've seen the team chemistry with
the Lakers right now, it's certainly kind of feels that way.
Do you think that was intentional? I don't know if
it was intentional the way it all kind of shook out.
I've said, Clay for days, I didn't think the Pelicans
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had any intention of trading Anthony Davis, at least not
before the trade deadline. I mean, there are legitimate reasons
for not doing it. Um, you know, the draft lottery
being unknown, and who has that number one pick. More importantly,
Boston's ability to get into the mix and make a
deal that is more significant than what anybody could do.
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And and and look, this is going to be and
should be the most substantial trade in NBA history. You
should get back the most assets for you and it's
a chance to rebuild your entire franchise on the fly.
But I do think there was a more personal aspect
to it, and looked at the the from what I
was talking to something in New Orleans last night. I
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don't know that they necessarily blame the Lakers, but they
do blame Rich Paul and and they they they know
that this season was this is probably gonna be Davis's
last season, Like they expected that come July Davis would
reject their contract extension and they'd have kind of what
san Antonio had a few weeks to piece deals together
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and and make one this trade request. The public tradelness
of the trade request and the obviousness that this was
connected to desperation to get him to the Lakers, that
really rattled, you know, people in influential positions in that
front office. So again, I don't know if it's it's
a Laker centric thing as much that to do with
Davis's representatives and how they've chafed the Pelicans front office.
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The Rich Paul and Lebron James think they're playing chess
and in reality they're actually playing checkers, because to me,
their entire movements here have been conducted as if they
think they're moving from a position of power, and the
reality is they don't have that much power. And I
think this entire process has blown up on them. Do
you agree or disagree? Oh? I agree, because you know,
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unless something changes dramatically in the next seven or eight hours,
you know, Davis is gonna be on the Pelicans and
it's gonna be an incredibly uncomfortable a few months for
him as he tries to play as the Pelicans sort
of decide what to do with him. Uh. The fans
support obviously just vanished. Uh. And if you know anything
about Anthony Davis, it's the last thing he wants, like,
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you know, he he you know, up until this point,
he not only has not made any public trade request,
he hasn't even grumbled, Like there hasn't even been this
kind of sourced reporting of Davis's unhappiness and that this
was a strategic play on the part of his representatives.
That that I think, and I'm just sort of speculating here,
but I think he was talked into and and here
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and here we are where you know, it all kinda
fell flattened. If we've learned anything over the last few years,
you know, a player with one year left under contract
can can force a trade, but he can't force where
he's gonna get traded too. So, you know, just like
Kauai went to Toronto and Paul Georgie went to Oklahoma City,
there is a realistic chance that even if it's not Boss,
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it's somewhere else that Davis winds up and then he's
gonna have to make a decision. Do you go to
Los Angeles with the thirty six year old Lebron James
and play alongside him in and and that that's that
could be an even tougher call. Yeah, and that's what
I've been saying from the get go, Chris, I'm surprised
more people in media haven't pointed this out. I understand
completely why Lebron wants Anthony Davis. I don't understand at
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all why Anthony Davis wants Lebron. Yeah, look, it's it's
a very fair point, and it makes even less sense
when you know, you and I both know what public
statements don't always mean everything. What a guy says publicly
and privately are oftentimes two very different things. But the
trade demand, you know, his agent statement said he wants
to go somewhere we can consistently win and beyond a
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championship contender. His media gaggle after the trade request, he said,
it's my time. I want to win all these these
kind of things in in what world like just putting
a push put of the selfish and Lakers on the table. No,
and can legitimately say that a trade to Boston is
not better than a trade to Los Angeles. It's just not.
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I mean, you can we can quibble about. You know,
what's the deal with Kyrie Irving. I don't think anybody
really knows out there, but the Celtics are pretty well
stacked right now. And the Lakers if they make this
Anthony Davis trade, it's Anthony Davis, you know, thirty five
year old Lebron James, and god knows who else. And
I think that's so well said. We're talking to Chris Mannix.
So what if this Lebron James said yesterday everybody needs
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to stay off social media during the trade deadline. You know,
these young guys, they spend too much time there. And
then what does Lebron do? He gets on social media
and sends out a Instagram post that doesn't really make
any sense, but I guess he thinks it does about
Harrison Barnes getting traded. How does Lebron right now? So,
with the Lakers sitting at twenty seven and twenty seven
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and likely to lose their next two frankly against the
Celtics and the seventies Sixers rebuild this team, it feels
like to me like the Lakers have pretty much blown
up in his face if they aren't able to make
a trade, and it doesn't seem like they're going to
be because why would these guys ever trust him? And
can you imagine? I mean, I'll be at the game
in Boston tonight and you know Celtic fans who who
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will declare victory that Davis didn't get traded, Like that'll
be their victory and they'll they'll declare a Lakers loss
with all the animosity that exists between Boston and later
begin with that, the Pacers fans set the blueprints, and
I think the selfish fans will take it to like
the the the extreme level with some of the chance
they're gonna make when um, you know, guys like Ingraham
and Kuzma and whoever are at the free throw line.
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Here's the problem with that. Lebron is going to encounter
and I talked to someone close to that team about
this just the other night. You know, the young players
on that team, they're gonna look at Lebron as the
guy because Lebron's agent, like you can't. It's reasonable to
assume that that Lebron's agent and Anton David's agent that
they had this discussion with Lebron James. It's reasonable to
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assume that that. You can say that Lebron comes in,
talks about, you know, playing with these young guys and
within you know, half a season, is basically orchestrating their
trade out of town. Now you can say Lebron doesn't
know who the Lakers are gonna trade. He certainly knows
that to get Anthony Davis, it's gonna take every viable
young talent on that roster. So Ingram Kuzma, Alonzo Ball,
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who already saw do the goofy thing of uh take
all his Laker stuff off his social media and LaVar
his mirror Miraculous resurfaced in the last week like these guys,
it's gonna be on undisputed with Skip Baylis this morning,
here we go. So it's here and here it comes
like he And you know, I tell you this much,
and I talked to a jam about this during the week.
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It reminds people that if you're trading for Alonzo ball,
you get the LaVar ball experience too. And everybody knows
how distract he was in the first half of last season. Alright,
we're talking to Chris Mannix. Kevin Durant goes off on
the media last night in Golden Golden State after their
win over the Spurs. But haven't Lebron James and Kevin
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Durant created this situation in the NBA where there is
no drama right now on the court. Right. I think
everybody would be stunned if the Warriors don't win the
championship again, and so as a result, all of the
drama comes off the court. When you do the decision
like Lebron did one point oh, two point oh, three
point oh, and when Kevin Durant made the decision already
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one point oh to leave Okay se like he did.
They have created this system whereby the players off the
court decisions are a lot more interesting in the NBA
than the on court product. And therefore, I think it's
hypocritical of them to suddenly say to the media, why
are you guys covering this so much? Well, because you
created this. You made it fertile. There is no franchise
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tag like in the NFL, which would restrict player movement.
This story is by far more interesting than Who's gonna
win the championship, which is how most other sports are covered. Absolutely,
and I think more importantly, Lebron and Kevin Durant have
created this by you know, bucking the system and only
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signing short term deals. You know, if Kevin Durant was
under a four year deal, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We're not having any conversation about Lebron's future because he
signed a four year deal. There are plenty of advantages
to signing short term contracts. The power you gain within
an organization by signing a short term contract is significant.
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But this is the fallout, Like, this is what you
get when a team like the Knicks, which you know,
God help them if if they did this without any
kind of head No Kevin Durant, I mean, they they've
been the gang that can't shoot straight for the better
part of the last two decades. If they did it again, um,
you know, there should be a storming of the garden.
But this they're doing this. They're doing this because they
believe that they're going to get Kevin Durant, and because
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Kevin Durant keep signing these one year deals. This is
what happened. So it's you can't have what the good
that comes with the short term deal and the bad,
and you can avoid all the bad. Outstanding stuff is
always what's your I always like this from a process
point because I think there's a lot of people out
there driving into school and work. They think, oh, I'd
like to work in sports media someday. What will today
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be like for you? And what has the past several
days been like for you as a guy covering the NBA.
How many hours a day are you working right now?
It's it's most of them. How many hours are you working?
It's most of them. It's hard to it's hard to
keep track half the time. I mean, the Tobias Harris
straight kind of. I've never experienced that where it's it's
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two am and a major deal uh goes down on
the East Coast. But it's like it's it's a lot
of texting and guys don't want to be bothered most
of the time with phone calls. I will say this though,
there is there's a lot of people that are grumbling nowadays,
especially involved with the like the Lakers, as you know
the last few years didn't really piss some teams off,
like it's you know, Kauai wants to go, and it
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wasn't a lot of Lakers necessarily, but they were part
of it. It's Paul George and now here we have
Anthony Davis. Like there are teams that are their teams
out there with gms that feel like they've built their
teams the right way. They've done it through the draft,
they've done it through shrewd maneuvering, and then they see
the Lakers out there who were just like dangling like
Manhattan Beach and saying like, come play for us, because
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you know you might like our lifestyle better that you wouldn't.
You'd be surprised how and know how many teams that
really annoys going into days like this. Do you think
it's possible the Clippers, by the way, have outplayed the
Lakers quietly and free agency and getting ready for the
off season. I think they've I don't know how successful
they're going to be, but they are in a much
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better position. Yes, the Lakers have Lebron James, but the
Clippers got two first round draft picks for a guy
they weren't going to resign anyway, and it takes them
out of the playoff mix. But they get to keep
their draft pick if they're out of the playoff mix.
Otherwise it transfers over to Boston. They've done a very
good job in Los Angeles in an organizationally preparing for
free agency. Last question for you, I know how busy
you are. I appreciate you coming on with us. Chris Mannix,
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he kills it. Go follow him on Twitter. The Lakers,
let's say, don't make a move here. What can they
do in the off season to make themselves substantially better
by next year? Because I'm starting to look at it
and say, Okay, if Durant's gonna go to New York, like,
who is the what is the addition that's going to
make the Lakers infinitely better? Who were they going to
be in the running for If Anthony Davis ultimately doesn't
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come there, who's the guy? What changes? I don't know
that there is one Clay, to be honest with you,
that you know when you canvas the league at a
top free agent level. I haven't really encountered anybody, and
I'm trying to think, Yeah, I haven't encounted anybody that
says put the Lakers at their top choice or that
that list the Lakers high up there. I mean, you know,
the Clippers have been all in on Kauai from Jump, like, Yeah,
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that's the guy that they're going after. Jimmy Butler, He's
gonna go where the money is, But I don't know
that it's gonna be in Los Angeles. Kemba Walker, I
don't think that's happening either. You know, Durance is not
gonna play with Lebron James, like for no other reason,
he's trying to chase championships and eclipse Lebron James. I
I think they're in trouble. I really do. I don't
think there's a guy out there that could be make
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a significant difference for them that next season. Outstanding stuff
is always get some sleep in a cup days, but
until then, nine more hours and kill it, my man.
Be sure to catch live editions. If I would kicked
the coverage with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern,
three am Pacific. Kevin Durant also went off on the media.
If you're just waking up on the West Coast after
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the win over the Spurs last night, I want to
play this audio for you. Kevin Durant coming a little
bit undone over all the speculation that he might be
going to New York in the off season. This is
what he had to say. You've obviously been around the
noise for so long as it's bothering you more of
this year? Is it louder this year? It is unnecessary.
You gotta do Ethan Strouss who coming here and just
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give his whole opinion on stuff and make it seem
like it's coming from me, and he just walking around here,
don't talk to nobody, just walking here and surveying there.
Write something like that, and now y're piling on me
because I don't want to talk to you about that.
I have nothing to do with the Knicks. I don't
know who traded porzingis. They got nothing to do with me.
I'm trying to play basketball. Y'all come in here every day,
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asked me about free agency, asked my teammates, my coaches,
who ride up the fans about it. Let us play basketball.
That's all I'm saying. And now when I want to
talk to y'all as a problem with me, Come on, man,
grow up, Come bro. I come in and go to
work every day. I don't cause no problems. I played
the right way. I try to play it right way.
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I try to be the best player I can be
at every possession. What's the problem? What am I doing
to you? We're talking? So who are you? Why do
I got to talk to you? Tell me? Does that
is that gonna help me do my job better? No?
I didn't feel like talking. Lebron James all up in
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his fields as well. He took to Instagram to comment,
Anthony Davis is liking things. It's all a mess. And
it's all a mess because the NBA players have created
a situation where the NBA on court product is not
as interesting as the NBA off court product. So you
can't get it upset at fans and media for being
more interested in free agency than they are the actual
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season when we all know how it's gonna end. The
Warriors are gonna win the championship again. Unlike the Major
League Baseball, NHL or NFL playoffs, where anybody can theoretically
win a championship. The Warriors are by far the best team.
They are gonna win a championship, So it's natural for
fans and media to move on to the next question
of where are the superstar players gonna go, particularly when
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free agency has become such a prominent part of the
story of Kevin Durant and Lebron James, the two best
players in the NBA right now. But we will talk
about all that with Chris Mannox coming up here shortly.
In the meantime, Jamal Hill is being investigated, potentially, it
sounds like by the Secret Service for her tweet, which
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implied at least partly that Donald Trump should be assassinated.
She has apologized for the tweet and deleted it. I
want to get the opinions of the crew, and then
I'm gonna take your phone calls on this seven seven
nine six three six nine. A lot of people wind
up and wanting to talk about it. Uh, Coop, what
are your thoughts on Jamal Hill's tweet and the subsequent
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Secret Service investigation? My general perspective is, if the Secret
Service is investigating one of your tweets because they think
you might have threatened to assassinate the president of the
United States or been rooting for it to happen. You
probably done did something you shouldn't have done. Is that
a fair approximation of it? Yeah, I mean, and and
you know, and and most of the listeners know, I'm
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not a fan of Donald Trump by any means. Like this,
that's just stupid. Like, I mean, of all the jokes,
there's so many other things that you could say to
get your point across, Like what was what's the joke?
They're like, the only punch line on the joke is
that somebody's gonna kill the president, right, I mean, that's
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the only possible punchline you could have. When you use
the phrase that Malcolm X that was yelled out before
Malcolm X got assassinated, then the only punchline which people
can fill in is ha ha, Trump's gonna get assassinated too. Like,
I don't even understand the thought process. I mean, I
think it's an attempt to make a joke. Maybe there's
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a joke angle here then I'm just not getting I'm
not an expert in Jamal Hills joke thought processes, but
if you have to deconstruct the joke to the point
where you're like, oh, the assassination is the joke? Like,
probably not a good play, right That's that's a joke
that you make to your friends that are sitting with
you in the living room, not something that you put
on Twitter. And I don't even know that it's a
joke you make to your friends sitting in the well
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if I mean if for her, like if that's like
that's the thing that popped into her head and she thought, oh,
like this is funny. But then where how did that
go to let me post this to my you know
million Twitter falls what It's such a stupid thought to
to to go with. And I think about this all
the time because the line between what's going to be
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accepted as funny and what's not going to be accepted
as funny is a fine one, right, Like you don't
in this day and age, people get offended by things
all the time. But I think assassination humor. While the
president is speaking, probably not a direction you want to go.
What about you, Roberto? I mean, are you like, what
what's your thought when you see this? Yeah, it's stupid.
I totally agree with the coop what he's saying. I'm
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not a big Trump fan either, But that's just something
you don't something you don't you don't do on social media.
I mean, it's it's stupid. And and like you say,
the the what what what's the punch line? Like you say,
the punch line is that I guess of what someone's
in the shoot Donald Trump. I mean, it's it's so stupid.
And also to do the flip side. Can you imagine
if the same joke had been made, Like if I,
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as a white guy, am sitting down and I decide
I'm gonna make a Barack Obama assassination joke, they would
immediately have taken away my radio show. I wouldn't be
allowed to be on television. I would be the most
racist human being that's ever walked the planet if I
made the joke. So she's a black woman and she
makes the joke with the white guy as a punchline,
and people are like, oh, well, I mean a lot
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of people are defending her. Some people are defending her.
Maybe not a lot of people, but some people. But
if I made that same joke while Barack Obama was
doing the State of the Union, I would lose my
radio show. I would have lost my television show. I
would be like a social media pariah and the Secret
Service would have shown up on my door twenty minutes
after I sent that tweet, Dub, What do you think
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she could possibly have been thinking? Well, I think what
she was thinking is making that joke that implies assassinating
the president, And in terms of jokes you could you
should not tell when you have millions of Twitter followers
that may top the list. Especially it's not even a
joke that it's while he was doing the State of
the Union, so he she's literally sitting watching the State
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of the Union and she decided to make an assassination joke.
And again, I'm not the joke police. I don't ever
think people should get fired for what they put on
Twitter for like one individual tweet or one individual Facebook post,
even if it's like really bad, because my thought is
we shouldn't ever judge somebody solely based on the worst
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thing they put on social media, and a lot of
people do that, so I'm not saying she needs to
be fired. Would differently if it was this was a
comedian who did it and not Jamal Hill, I would
still think it was dumb. But the comedian, like I
think it's where it's made matters to me on some level.
Like I will defend a comedian to the end of
the earth. If a comedian is on a stage in
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a comedy club and he makes a joke that seems insensitive.
Later when like somebody in the comedy club records it
and they put it out and people are like, oh
my god, I can't believe that comedian said this. Well,
it's like their laboratory, right, if you are a comedian
and you're up on the stage, they're testing out humor,
they're figuring out what was To me, that is like
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that that is their place to be able to test things.
But it's different Like when what was it Kathy Griffin
or whatever like held up the severed head of Donald
Trump and a photograph and I was like, well, when
you're posing for a photograph you like this, you have
a lot of time to think. Maybe it's not a
good idea to pose with the severed head of the president,
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no matter who the president is, Like that seems like
a little bit of an exaggerated move, you know, Like,
so I would even that this is not as bad
as that, right, because when you're posing for a photo,
you have a lot of time to think about what
you're doing, and Twitter is very spur the moment. But
and and I I think, what's what's the update? Well,
so I was. I was looking at her her Twitter
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account and she's she sent this out about thirteen hours ago.
She said, so f y, I I literally have used
get your hand out of my pocket a bunch of
other times on Twitter, and always in a manner where
you want to escape or distract from a situation, never
in a way that was harmful or melissas malicious. And
she posted a screenshot. I understand. I understand that, but
I have said before a too brute, right like I
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have used that phrase. It's a famous phrase that was
said when Julius Caesar was assassinated. It the way that
you use a phrase matters, Like if I say to
you right now, Coop, I'm gonna kill you, like, people
will be like ha ha ha, because because they disagree,
because I disagree with your opinion. If I had Donald
Trump on the radio and I was interviewing him and
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I said I'm going to kill you, that would be
at the same phrase, right like, So I don't necessarily
buy into I saw that she had put out that tweets, Oh,
I've used this phrase before. Well yeah, so what like
the way that you use a phrase matters, Like if
I say to my wife, hey, want to f that's
different than me saying F you right, or you know,
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like the way that you use phrases matters. I'm gonna
kill you, coop ha ha, You're an idiot. For what
you're saying about the Lakers is different than saying it
while I've got the president or while the president is speaking, right.
So I understand she's trying to make that distinction. Now
I don't think that's a good distinction to make. Well,
I think then, I think what it proves is that
it's a phrase that she's used in different situations and
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then she's just using it again and was too like,
I don't know, you're gonna say stupid, And I think
there's a fair and that's a fair position to make,
Like you can't say that same again if I said
a to brute and like I put a picture of
myself like holding a knife alongside of a photo of
Donald Trump, right, that would be different than if I
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said A to brute and I'm performing in a play
of Julius Caesar and uh and I've just been killed. Right,
Like the way that you use phrases matters, And if
you don't understand that, then I think you failed one
of the most basic and important parts of being a
writer and someone who makes a living with your words. Right.
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I just think that's bad. We've got a lot of
calls of people who want to weigh in. Did I
get the opinion of Dub or did we end up
talking over Dub. Let's get to these callers opinions we got.
We got about ten callers lined up here, that one
one to hop on. All right, let's do it. Joel
in Virginia. What you got for me? Solid? Start by
the callers, Dub. What's shaking with the callers? Or is
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our is our call screen? Or not working again? No,
it's working. We got Rama in North Carolina? All right?
Joel started off with a big, big with Rama in
North Carolina. What's up? Uh? Hi? Um? I think it's
about time people should be held accountable for their words. Um.
Just like Madonna, she wanted to blow up the White House,
nothing happened to her with it from secret didn't do anything.
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So it's not Jamal Hill. It's time to hold people
accountable and not just you know, hide behind First Amendment.
And just like you pointed out, and if it was
Barack Obama, she'd probably be in the slimmer by now.
And why is it a double standard? He's still the president.
Elections are over, Get over it, move on. You know,
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there's a process, deal with it, not you know, trending
everybody every day. Thank you very much, Thanks for the call.
And by the way, it's not just Jamal Hill who
said stupid stuff like this. Johnny Depp said that maybe
it was a time you remember this quote like where
Johnny Depp said, maybe it's time for another actor to
kill the president, like implying that John Wilkes Booth, who
killed obviously Abraham Lincoln, that another actor meaning himself for
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somebody else needed to kill Trump. I mean, so there's
been a lot of people who I think have this
what's called Trump derangement syndrome where they hate Trump so
much that they end up being even more ridiculous than Trump,
which is oftentimes even tough to pull off. But Trump's
most hated critics are making him seem sane, which is
which is ultimately playing into his benefit, which is uh,
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the worst thing that I would imagine somebody like Jamal
Hill or or in the back in the day when
he did this, I think it was the last year
Johnny Depp would have liked Daniel in Indiana. What's up, Daniel?
Y know what's going on? Gley living the dream? A
man man. I think I'd being a little too hard
about this one man. Let her have her social media
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and say what she wants, because he says what he wants,
and everybody in the world says what they want. Sticks
and stones can break your bones, but what can words
do to you. It's not like it was a threat
from isis. She's already been fired from ESPN, you already
lost their jobs, So I stop. If she doesn't like him,
she don't like him, Yeah, but you understand, you understand
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there's a difference between not liking somebody and tweeting out
assassination jokes. Right, But she didn't say I want to
assassinate him. She was subliminable about what she said, and
she said it out of a jokingly manner. Now, if
everyone wants to take that so serious, why he says
this and he says that, and then Daniel, what do
you think what do you think of what it hold on? Daniel?
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What do you think would have happened to me? If
I had jokingly said that Barack Obama should be assassinated
during the State of the Union, I would have been
I would have been listening to your radio station and
I would have laughed and fell over. And I am
a black man, so I would appreciate that. If you're standard,
I appreciate that. Thanks. If your standard is the exact same,
that's all I ask, right treat What I tried to
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do on this show every single day is treat everybody
the exact same, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation,
anything else. I try to treat everybody the exact same.
Now you might say I don't treat people that well,
or you might say, man, that guy Clay Drivers, he
could be a real a whole. Sometimes all those things
can be accurate. But I try and treat everybody the
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exact same. That's the best that I can do. Eddie
in Texas. What's up, Eddie? So if Daniel wants to
treat everybody the exact same, I appreciate that. I respect that, Eddie.
What's upy? Good morning? Hey? Uh? This real quickly. I'm
in the education business and I try to teach kids
besides the textbook every day, before you open your mouth,
make sure you can accept the responsibility after you spread
your words out there. Yeah, so when when when you want?
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Everybody needs to know whether it's a Joe was social,
I don't care where it is, think about it before
you make a comment. It's also the situation. And she's
watching the speech. I mean, there's all kinds of factors
that come into this place. She's I mean, I've watched
her before on television, I kind of I mean, I
heur she's okay, but she's highly educated and she should
know better than what she's doing. And and I do
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have an expression that I'm gonna use now, and it
comes after I heard her say this, and everybody's whatever.
What she knew what she was doing, and she chose
to do it, So she now has to accept the responsibility. Again,
that's all of us. When you choose to do something,
be able to accept responsibility not It doesn't make a
difference what I say, you say the guy that just called,
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but you better because you know what, I had a
friend in the Secret Service, and you all to see
what them guys go through to protect the president. Oh,
I don't know at all. That's I mean, it's a
it's a serious it's serious business. You know what I'm saying.
Here in Texas with and here in Texas with I mean,
I tell kids all the time, when you do stupid
things with your mouth, I'm gonna call you catfish, all mouth,
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no brains. That's a good line. What I've always said.
I tell my kids now, even though they're young. Freedom
of speech doesn't mean you have freedom from consequence. It's
an important lesson to learn. Also, I had to learn
this with what I do. I talk for a living
three hours every morning hour on television. I write. Sometimes
you have to think is the jokes payoff worth the joke?
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Right when I'm sitting there with Twitter open and I'm thinking, oh,
this would be a funny line, is the jokes payoff
worth the risk of the joke? Because Twitter, I think
Jim Rome said this a while back. Twitter is like
a loaded handgun. When you go out there and you
pop something off, you don't control where that goes and
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how people respond to it. Your intent is lost. Like
I said earlier, you don't see sarcasm there's no joke
font there's no uh, there's no sign for when somebody
is being serious or when they're not being serious. Dan
in Indiana, what's up? Dan Jamal Hill is basically a
highly educated person who walks on and playing yoke bomb
with that. And that's that's the problem in And I'm
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a thirty three year old male who's a registered Republican
who opposed Donald Trump in the in the primary, who
opposed him on the general. But the problem is the
media leans the left way, so there's very little repercussions
for things they say. So I've actually been turned on
more to Donald Trump and the party because of how
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the kid, the Covington Catholic kids recovered, how the how
Cavan always traveled. Those things have brought me back to
more centeral or Republicans because there is no consequence what
people because people have the same belief that she has
in media and especially sports media, there is no repercussions
for what they do. And that that to me is
where and this when she gets she gets her hand
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called in the cookie jar because the thirty other times
she tweeted about him, she says negative things and people
there's never a consequence because people have tend to agree
with her stance most of the time. Yeah, I think
that's true. That's why I say I try to treat
like situations likely right, Um, And maybe that's the lawyer
in me who has studied for years. Is the importance
of precedent. When you respond one way to a story,
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I want to ensure that I'm responding the same way,
so I'm not a hypocrite. I'll give you an example.
When I worked on Capitol Hill when I was in
college during the Bill Clinton impeachment trial, I did not
believe Bill Clinton should be impeached for a private sexual misconduct.
I still believe that's the correct standard for the president,
but I certainly don't believe that Donald Trump should then
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get impeached because of some relationship he might have had
with a porn star a decade ago. Similarly, on the
Brett Kavanaugh story, you've been paying attention to what's going
on in Virginia right now. You had the guy in
black face who's the governor. You had the lieutenant governor
who comes out and may have been guilty of sexual assault,
at least it's been alleged, and then you got the
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Attorney general who also did black face. I mean, all
three of the dudes at the top of Virginia right now,
the white guys and the black guys are all falling apart.
But when it comes to that lieutenant governor's allegation, my
standard is the same as it was on Kavanaugh. Just
because one woman says that she was sexually assaulted or
treated inappropriately without corroborating evidence doesn't mean you have to
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believe it. And that's the lawyer in me. So my
standard is the same for Cavanaids it would be for
a lieutenant governor of Virginia. The race doesn't matter, the
party doesn't matter. You gotta treat people the same. So
I tried to do Bryce and Roanoke. You're in Virginia
in the center part of that insanity, right. I just
wanted to say, man like uh at the end of
the day. I was always taught that there is some
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truth in jest, you know, And Jamal Hill can go
out and say or backtrack her way into saying that
this was a joke. But like the previous caller said,
the Supreme Court already ruled a hundred years ago. You know,
you cannot use your words to incite violence and to
incite a riot, and it's just one of these things
that you're sitting here and going, you know, what in
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the hell were you thinking, lady, And it's just the shame.
It's an absolute shame. And the problem is that if
at the end of the day, if Trump killed over today,
she wouldn't she would hear it. You know, most of
these people would hear it. The problem that I have
is that all of these little wink and NodD jokes
that they make for me is just them saying, I
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really do wish something would happen to this man, but
I'm just too I'm I'm not enough of a person
to do it myself. So I just kind of wish
I could toss it into the ether and maybe something,
you know, maybe something will happen, and then we can
just joke about it later. Yeah. I think that's the
problem is she's got a history of not liking Trump,
so when you put out an implication of an assassination,
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it's like, well, we clearly know you don't like the president,
so we're not assuming that this is a joke standing alone. Uh,
Donnie and Richmond, what's up? Donnie? Okay? Claire, Welcome to
our state of denial about our politics. I believe my
kindergartens principle is up next to be the government. It
might be you. I don't know how they will fart
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out the listener gonna go. Might be you the next governor. Lord.
I hope not. We'd all be in trouble. But in
all honest Jamale's hill, open your mouth again and stuck
your foot in it. It wasn't funny, it wasn't cute,
and I'd like to know when somebody's gonna look at
this what it is. It's a racist issue. Gets a
de president, is what it is. If this was said
about Obama, you would have been a handcuffs Clay and
I wouldn't be listening to show today. I think there's
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some truth to that. Like me a couple of more
quickly Alan, New Mexico, what's up? Hey? I think everybody's
taking this, uh just totally the wrong way. I think
Jamale put it is just striving get the nomination for
the Kathy Griffin uh idiot uh two thousand nineteen Idiot Awards.
I'm out. Yeah, there's no doubt. Robert in Kentucky with
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Robert A. He've had a couple of callers on their
cover pretty much everything I needed to say. But uh,
I think you know, if I'd wrote a letter to
the President Britain and his wife, even though just be
in my eyes and someone else decides that would have
seen a letter, I would have been in jail the
next day. Yeah, I think she deserved about thirty days
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Sports Radio. Today is the NBA trade deadline. It comes
down right at three o'clock Eastern, so we have got
let me do the math live. Math on the air
is always a disaster right at nine hours if I'm
not mistaken, right at nine hours until the trade deadline
(00:45):
is officially here. As we start off at six am
Eastern on the Thursday Show, and people in the NBA
are starting to come undone, particularly the players. We got
a couple of different audios of you that I'm gonna play, um,
but I got a theory for you off the top here,
and we're gonna talk to Chris Mannix covers the NBA.
(01:07):
He's gonna be on with us next segment and I'll
hit him with some of these theories I got a
theory for you. I think the New Orleans Pelicans, we're
so upset by the way that Anthony Davis handled his
impending free agency that they decided, you know what we're
gonna do. We're just gonna blow up the Lakers franchise
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this year. And do you know how they decided to
do it by doing absolutely nothing at all? Because everything
that Anthony Davis and Rich Paul and Lebron James tried
to manufacture was about Anthony Davis forcing a trade to
the Lakers this year. Rich Paul and Lebron James thought
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they were chess grand masters, and they thought by going
public with this Anthony Davis demand, it would put so
much pressure on the Pelicans that it would force the
Pelicans to deal Anthony Davis. And you know what's happened. Instead,
the Pelicans basically laughed at him, engaged in negotiations that
only went one way, with the Lakers obsessively offering basically
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every player on their roster in exchange for Anthony Davis,
and then they just cut off all contact. Reports are
the Pelicans haven't responded to the Lakers in multiple days now.
And if you watched the Pacers beat the Lakers by
forty two points. You tell me that in the process,
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the Lakers haven't blown up their entire season, because if
they're unable to make any big deal, and it looks
like that is probably likely with about nine hours to
go till the trade deadline, It's three am on the
West Coast right now, and the Lakers have been unable
to do anything to grab Anthony Davis. Meanwhile, the Pelicans
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are saying, so what, We'll just wait until the end
of the year, and then if we decide to trade
Anthony Davis will be able to talk with every single
team in the n b A and we're not going
to allow Lebron James and Rich Paul to dictate to
us what should we should be doing and as a result,
instead of making his team better. I think there's a
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strong argument that Lebron James has blown up the Lakers.
I really do. I think it's very hard to go
back into the locker room and argue, hey, you guys
should listen to me and believe in me. If you're
Lebron James, when you know that entire roster was basically
on the shopping block and Lebron was doing everything he
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could to get rid of everybody. It's hard to trust
Lebron James after that, and most relationships, especially in sports,
are founded on trust. I think Lebron James has fundamentally
lost the trust of his teammates and the Lakers locker room.
And Lebron now is kind of like, uh, gone off
(04:06):
on this strange soliloquy where he got on Instagram all
up in his feelings and it doesn't make any sense
what he was saying. Did you see all the Lebron
quotes that he put out there? Um, this was a
lead headline and now I see that it's that it's vanished.
But Lebron got on the got on the Instagram machine,
(04:30):
and he decided to tweet all about the trade of
Harrison Barnes last night that took place while the game
was actually going on. And the Lebron Instagram post, which
I'm gonna read to you basically basically had to do
with the fact that players somebody send me that link
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right now. Um, I want to read that Lebron. Uh,
the Lebron Instagram post. But first everybody's kind of come
and undone. As the NBA trade deadline gets closer and
closer and in particular. In particular, here's the challenge. The
NBA itself on the court doesn't provide any real drama
because the Warriors are by far the best team in
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the league, and as a result, all of the media
is forced to cover all of the free agent and
trade news because that's what the fans actually care about.
And so now Kevin Durant is mad about speculation that
he might go join the Knicks, and in a pretty
extraordinary postgame press conference, he went off on the media
(05:38):
for speculating about where he might go. If you haven't heard,
this had happened late last night after the Warriors beat
uh the the Spurs pretty soundly. Kevin Durant hadn't talked
to the media for a couple of days. Here's what
he had to say. You've obviously been around the noise
for so long as it's bothering you more. This year
is it louder? This year is unnecessary. You gotta do
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thing Strauss, who come in here and just give his
whole opinion on stuff and make it seem like it's
coming from me, and he just walking around here, don't
talk to nobody, just walking here and survey and then
write something like that, and now you're piling on me
because I don't want to talk to you about that.
I have nothing to do with the Nicks. I don't
know who traded porzingis. They got nothing to do with me.
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I'm trying to play basketball. Y'all come in here every day,
asked me about free agency, asked my teammates, my coaches,
you rill up the fans about it. Let us play basketball.
That's all I'm saying. And now when I don't want
to talk to y'all as a problem with me, come on, man,
grow up. Come on, bro. I come in and go
to work every day. I don't cause no problems. I
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play the right way. I try to play the right way.
I try to be the best player I can be
at every possession. What's the problem? What am I doing
to y'all? I'm talking? So who are you? Why do
I got to talk to you? Tell me? Is that
is that going helped me do my job better? No?
I like talking and all honesty. The players have created
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this situation in the NBA, and now they're upset that
the media is following this situation in the NBA. It's
much more interesting to the average NBA fan whether Kevin
Durant is gonna leave and join the Knicks than it
is talking about the Warriors winning their third championship in
four years. Because they have a super team. It's much
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more interesting for Laker fans, I think, to talk about
who might be joining the team than it is to
talk about this year's team. The NBA has traded on
court drama for off court drama, and the players can't
then get upset when the media is following the narrative
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that they have already set. Lebron James last night on
on Instagram, as Harrison Barnes was traded to Sacramento for
Justin Jackson and Zach Randolph while the game was going on,
he took to Instagram and said, so, let me guess
this is cool because they had to do what was
best for the franchise, right traded this man while he
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was literally playing in the game and had zero idea.
I'm not knocking who traded him, because it's a business
and you have to do what you feel so it's best.
But I just want this narrative to start to get real.
Change all caps and not when a player wants to
be traded or leaves a franchise that he's a selfish,
ungrateful player. But when they trade you, release, wave, cut, etcetera,
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it's best for them. I'm okay with both on both honestly, truly,
am just call a spade a spade. Well, these aren't
similar situations, Lebron and I don't know if Lebron doesn't
see this or if he's been an intentionally uh daft here.
And by the way, Anthony Davis liked this Instagram post.
When a team trades a player or releases him or
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cuts him, it's about the team trying to get better.
If you are a fan of that team, you might
not agree with that move, but you know that your
executive has the same goal that you do, i e.
They want that team to become better. When a player
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like Anthony Davis says trade me, I don't want to
be here anymore, Anthony Davis is making the team that
you care about worse. So those aren't a spade a
spade Lebron James. Those are completely different situations. Now, I
don't begrudge a player for deciding to do what he
thinks is better than him or better for him, I
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should say, but it isn't the same, and you shouldn't
expect fans to react the same way because the team
trading for a player or trading away a player, or
cutting or releasing him is about the team trying to
get better and fan root for teams. A player saying
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I don't want to play for your team anymore is
not the same. Now, a player can make a business
decision like a team can make a business decision, that's fine,
but don't expect fans to react to those in the
same way. Because the fan is rooting most of the
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time for the name on the front of the jersey,
not the name on the back of the jersey. A
player has to take care of the name on the
back of the jersey more than he does the name
on the front of the jersey. Those are not similar situations.
But I do find this amazing that the two best
players probably in the n b A, Durant and Lebron
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are both starting to crack under the pressure of the
situation that they have created. They created the idea that
what matters in the n b A isn't what happens
during the season, it's the drama that happens off the
court during the off season. Lebron created this situation with
decision one, decision two, and decision three point oh. Kevin
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Durant created the speculation that he might go to the
Knicks by the decision that he made in his decision
one point oh when he went to the Warriors. Players
jumping all over and across the country when they become
unrestricted free agents is a huge topic that the media
wants to care about. Think about it. If you're a
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Warriors fan right now, do you care what Kevin Durant
has to say about the game they just won against
the Spurs, Or do you care whether or not he
might be interested in going to New York And that's
why they're trading all of those players at the end
of the season. It's not even close. You can't blame
the media for covering what fans want to hear and
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talk about, and you certainly can't blame the media when
you are the one who helped to create a situation.
The NBA free agency is frankly, a lot more interesting
than the NBA regular season right now, So I don't
know how you blame the NBA media for covering something
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that you created. Be sure to catch live editions of
out kicked the coverage with Clay Travis weekdays at six
am Eastern, three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and
the I Heart Radio. Chris Mannox joins us now does
a great job covering the NBA. Chris, what's gonna happen?
Your best prediction between now and trade deadline hitting at
three eastern. Well, I still think there's a handful of
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significant deals that could get done. Um Ultimately, I think
Memphis is going to auction off Mike Conley Marcus al
deal gets done that. They've made it pretty clear that
that they want to kind of reboot this whole thing,
so they're gonna move off both those guys. Uh. An
interesting team I'm watching is Orlando. There are another team
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that outside of Mo Bomba and Jonathan Isaac to their
young players, they've made it pretty clear everybody else is
available and there's some pretty good talents on that roster.
And I guess the you know, the non in the
non Anthony Davis division. It's kind of what's Philadelphia gonna
do with Marquet? Folks. Uh, You're not gonna get dollar
for dollar value back from folks. You're not gonna get
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a draft pick. That's that's commisurate with with what Folks was.
But you may be able to get a rotation player
who can help you in the playoffs. And you know,
the way the Sixers team is kind of being built
right now, that could be a pretty valuable asset to them. Um,
did or have the Pelicans intentionally blown up the Lakers
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pursuit of Anthony Davis to blow up their team in
the process, because if you've seen the team chemistry with
the Lakers right now, it's certainly kind of feels that way.
Do you think that was intentional? I don't know if
it was intentional the way it all kind of shook out.
I've said, Clay for days, I didn't think the Pelicans
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had any intention of trading Anthony Davis, at least not
before the trade deadline. I mean, there are legitimate reasons
for not doing it. Um, you know, the draft lottery
being unknown, and who has that number one pick. More importantly,
Boston's ability to get into the mix and make a
deal that is more significant than what anybody could do.
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And and and look, this is going to be and
should be the most substantial trade in NBA history. You
should get back the most assets for you and it's
a chance to rebuild your entire franchise on the fly.
But I do think there was a more personal aspect
to it, and looked at the the from what I
was talking to something in New Orleans last night. I
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don't know that they necessarily blame the Lakers, but they
do blame Rich Paul and and they they they know
that this season was this is probably gonna be Davis's
last season, Like they expected that come July Davis would
reject their contract extension and they'd have kind of what
san Antonio had a few weeks to piece deals together
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and and make one this trade request. The public tradelness
of the trade request and the obviousness that this was
connected to desperation to get him to the Lakers, that
really rattled, you know, people in influential positions in that
front office. So again, I don't know if it's it's
a Laker centric thing as much that to do with
Davis's representatives and how they've chafed the Pelicans front office.
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The Rich Paul and Lebron James think they're playing chess
and in reality they're actually playing checkers, because to me,
their entire movements here have been conducted as if they
think they're moving from a position of power, and the
reality is they don't have that much power. And I
think this entire process has blown up on them. Do
you agree or disagree? Oh? I agree, because you know,
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unless something changes dramatically in the next seven or eight hours,
you know, Davis is gonna be on the Pelicans and
it's gonna be an incredibly uncomfortable a few months for
him as he tries to play as the Pelicans sort
of decide what to do with him. Uh. The fans
support obviously just vanished. Uh. And if you know anything
about Anthony Davis, it's the last thing he wants, like,
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you know, he he you know, up until this point,
he not only has not made any public trade request,
he hasn't even grumbled, Like there hasn't even been this
kind of sourced reporting of Davis's unhappiness and that this
was a strategic play on the part of his representatives.
That that I think, and I'm just sort of speculating here,
but I think he was talked into and and here
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and here we are where you know, it all kinda
fell flattened. If we've learned anything over the last few years,
you know, a player with one year left under contract
can can force a trade, but he can't force where
he's gonna get traded too. So, you know, just like
Kauai went to Toronto and Paul Georgie went to Oklahoma City,
there is a realistic chance that even if it's not Boss,
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it's somewhere else that Davis winds up and then he's
gonna have to make a decision. Do you go to
Los Angeles with the thirty six year old Lebron James
and play alongside him in and and that that's that
could be an even tougher call. Yeah, and that's what
I've been saying from the get go, Chris, I'm surprised
more people in media haven't pointed this out. I understand
completely why Lebron wants Anthony Davis. I don't understand at
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all why Anthony Davis wants Lebron. Yeah, look, it's it's
a very fair point, and it makes even less sense
when you know, you and I both know what public
statements don't always mean everything. What a guy says publicly
and privately are oftentimes two very different things. But the
trade demand, you know, his agent statement said he wants
to go somewhere we can consistently win and beyond a
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championship contender. His media gaggle after the trade request, he said,
it's my time. I want to win all these these
kind of things in in what world like just putting
a push put of the selfish and Lakers on the table. No,
and can legitimately say that a trade to Boston is
not better than a trade to Los Angeles. It's just not.
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I mean, you can we can quibble about. You know,
what's the deal with Kyrie Irving. I don't think anybody
really knows out there, but the Celtics are pretty well
stacked right now. And the Lakers if they make this
Anthony Davis trade, it's Anthony Davis, you know, thirty five
year old Lebron James, and god knows who else. And
I think that's so well said. We're talking to Chris Mannix.
So what if this Lebron James said yesterday everybody needs
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to stay off social media during the trade deadline. You know,
these young guys, they spend too much time there. And
then what does Lebron do? He gets on social media
and sends out a Instagram post that doesn't really make
any sense, but I guess he thinks it does about
Harrison Barnes getting traded. How does Lebron right now? So,
with the Lakers sitting at twenty seven and twenty seven
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and likely to lose their next two frankly against the
Celtics and the seventies Sixers rebuild this team, it feels
like to me like the Lakers have pretty much blown
up in his face if they aren't able to make
a trade, and it doesn't seem like they're going to
be because why would these guys ever trust him? And
can you imagine? I mean, I'll be at the game
in Boston tonight and you know Celtic fans who who
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will declare victory that Davis didn't get traded, Like that'll
be their victory and they'll they'll declare a Lakers loss
with all the animosity that exists between Boston and later
begin with that, the Pacers fans set the blueprints, and
I think the selfish fans will take it to like
the the the extreme level with some of the chance
they're gonna make when um, you know, guys like Ingraham
and Kuzma and whoever are at the free throw line.
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Here's the problem with that. Lebron is going to encounter
and I talked to someone close to that team about
this just the other night. You know, the young players
on that team, they're gonna look at Lebron as the
guy because Lebron's agent, like you can't. It's reasonable to
assume that that Lebron's agent and Anton David's agent that
they had this discussion with Lebron James. It's reasonable to
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assume that that. You can say that Lebron comes in,
talks about, you know, playing with these young guys and
within you know, half a season, is basically orchestrating their
trade out of town. Now you can say Lebron doesn't
know who the Lakers are gonna trade. He certainly knows
that to get Anthony Davis, it's gonna take every viable
young talent on that roster. So Ingram Kuzma, Alonzo Ball,
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who already saw do the goofy thing of uh take
all his Laker stuff off his social media and LaVar
his mirror Miraculous resurfaced in the last week like these guys,
it's gonna be on undisputed with Skip Baylis this morning,
here we go. So it's here and here it comes
like he And you know, I tell you this much,
and I talked to a jam about this during the week.
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It reminds people that if you're trading for Alonzo ball,
you get the LaVar ball experience too. And everybody knows
how distract he was in the first half of last season. Alright,
we're talking to Chris Mannix. Kevin Durant goes off on
the media last night in Golden Golden State after their
win over the Spurs. But haven't Lebron James and Kevin
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Durant created this situation in the NBA where there is
no drama right now on the court. Right. I think
everybody would be stunned if the Warriors don't win the
championship again, and so as a result, all of the
drama comes off the court. When you do the decision
like Lebron did one point oh, two point oh, three
point oh, and when Kevin Durant made the decision already
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one point oh to leave Okay se like he did.
They have created this system whereby the players off the
court decisions are a lot more interesting in the NBA
than the on court product. And therefore, I think it's
hypocritical of them to suddenly say to the media, why
are you guys covering this so much? Well, because you
created this. You made it fertile. There is no franchise
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tag like in the NFL, which would restrict player movement.
This story is by far more interesting than Who's gonna
win the championship, which is how most other sports are covered. Absolutely,
and I think more importantly, Lebron and Kevin Durant have
created this by you know, bucking the system and only
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signing short term deals. You know, if Kevin Durant was
under a four year deal, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
We're not having any conversation about Lebron's future because he
signed a four year deal. There are plenty of advantages
to signing short term contracts. The power you gain within
an organization by signing a short term contract is significant.
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But this is the fallout, Like, this is what you
get when a team like the Knicks, which you know,
God help them if if they did this without any
kind of head No Kevin Durant, I mean, they they've
been the gang that can't shoot straight for the better
part of the last two decades. If they did it again, um,
you know, there should be a storming of the garden.
But this they're doing this. They're doing this because they
believe that they're going to get Kevin Durant, and because
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Kevin Durant keep signing these one year deals. This is
what happened. So it's you can't have what the good
that comes with the short term deal and the bad,
and you can avoid all the bad. Outstanding stuff is
always what's your I always like this from a process
point because I think there's a lot of people out
there driving into school and work. They think, oh, I'd
like to work in sports media someday. What will today
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be like for you? And what has the past several
days been like for you as a guy covering the NBA.
How many hours a day are you working right now?
It's it's most of them. How many hours are you working?
It's most of them. It's hard to it's hard to
keep track half the time. I mean, the Tobias Harris
straight kind of. I've never experienced that where it's it's
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two am and a major deal uh goes down on
the East Coast. But it's like it's it's a lot
of texting and guys don't want to be bothered most
of the time with phone calls. I will say this though,
there is there's a lot of people that are grumbling nowadays,
especially involved with the like the Lakers, as you know
the last few years didn't really piss some teams off,
like it's you know, Kauai wants to go, and it
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wasn't a lot of Lakers necessarily, but they were part
of it. It's Paul George and now here we have
Anthony Davis. Like there are teams that are their teams
out there with gms that feel like they've built their
teams the right way. They've done it through the draft,
they've done it through shrewd maneuvering, and then they see
the Lakers out there who were just like dangling like
Manhattan Beach and saying like, come play for us, because
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you know you might like our lifestyle better that you wouldn't.
You'd be surprised how and know how many teams that
really annoys going into days like this. Do you think
it's possible the Clippers, by the way, have outplayed the
Lakers quietly and free agency and getting ready for the
off season. I think they've I don't know how successful
they're going to be, but they are in a much
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better position. Yes, the Lakers have Lebron James, but the
Clippers got two first round draft picks for a guy
they weren't going to resign anyway, and it takes them
out of the playoff mix. But they get to keep
their draft pick if they're out of the playoff mix.
Otherwise it transfers over to Boston. They've done a very
good job in Los Angeles in an organizationally preparing for
free agency. Last question for you, I know how busy
you are. I appreciate you coming on with us. Chris Mannix,
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he kills it. Go follow him on Twitter. The Lakers,
let's say, don't make a move here. What can they
do in the off season to make themselves substantially better
by next year? Because I'm starting to look at it
and say, Okay, if Durant's gonna go to New York, like,
who is the what is the addition that's going to
make the Lakers infinitely better? Who were they going to
be in the running for If Anthony Davis ultimately doesn't
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come there, who's the guy? What changes? I don't know
that there is one Clay, to be honest with you,
that you know when you canvas the league at a
top free agent level. I haven't really encountered anybody, and
I'm trying to think, Yeah, I haven't encounted anybody that
says put the Lakers at their top choice or that
that list the Lakers high up there. I mean, you know,
the Clippers have been all in on Kauai from Jump, like, Yeah,
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that's the guy that they're going after. Jimmy Butler, He's
gonna go where the money is, But I don't know
that it's gonna be in Los Angeles. Kemba Walker, I
don't think that's happening either. You know, Durance is not
gonna play with Lebron James, like for no other reason,
he's trying to chase championships and eclipse Lebron James. I
I think they're in trouble. I really do. I don't
think there's a guy out there that could be make
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a significant difference for them that next season. Outstanding stuff
is always get some sleep in a cup days, but
until then, nine more hours and kill it, my man.
Be sure to catch live editions. If I would kicked
the coverage with Clay Travis week days at six am Eastern,
three am Pacific. Kevin Durant also went off on the media.
If you're just waking up on the West Coast after
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the win over the Spurs last night, I want to
play this audio for you. Kevin Durant coming a little
bit undone over all the speculation that he might be
going to New York in the off season. This is
what he had to say. You've obviously been around the
noise for so long as it's bothering you more of
this year? Is it louder this year? It is unnecessary.
You gotta do Ethan Strouss who coming here and just
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give his whole opinion on stuff and make it seem
like it's coming from me, and he just walking around here,
don't talk to nobody, just walking here and surveying there.
Write something like that, and now y're piling on me
because I don't want to talk to you about that.
I have nothing to do with the Knicks. I don't
know who traded porzingis. They got nothing to do with me.
I'm trying to play basketball. Y'all come in here every day,
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asked me about free agency, asked my teammates, my coaches,
who ride up the fans about it. Let us play basketball.
That's all I'm saying. And now when I want to
talk to y'all as a problem with me, Come on, man,
grow up, Come bro. I come in and go to
work every day. I don't cause no problems. I played
the right way. I try to play it right way.
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I try to be the best player I can be
at every possession. What's the problem? What am I doing
to you? We're talking? So who are you? Why do
I got to talk to you? Tell me? Does that
is that gonna help me do my job better? No?
I didn't feel like talking. Lebron James all up in
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his fields as well. He took to Instagram to comment,
Anthony Davis is liking things. It's all a mess. And
it's all a mess because the NBA players have created
a situation where the NBA on court product is not
as interesting as the NBA off court product. So you
can't get it upset at fans and media for being
more interested in free agency than they are the actual
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season when we all know how it's gonna end. The
Warriors are gonna win the championship again. Unlike the Major
League Baseball, NHL or NFL playoffs, where anybody can theoretically
win a championship. The Warriors are by far the best team.
They are gonna win a championship, So it's natural for
fans and media to move on to the next question
of where are the superstar players gonna go, particularly when
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free agency has become such a prominent part of the
story of Kevin Durant and Lebron James, the two best
players in the NBA right now. But we will talk
about all that with Chris Mannox coming up here shortly.
In the meantime, Jamal Hill is being investigated, potentially, it
sounds like by the Secret Service for her tweet, which
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implied at least partly that Donald Trump should be assassinated.
She has apologized for the tweet and deleted it. I
want to get the opinions of the crew, and then
I'm gonna take your phone calls on this seven seven
nine six three six nine. A lot of people wind
up and wanting to talk about it. Uh, Coop, what
are your thoughts on Jamal Hill's tweet and the subsequent
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Secret Service investigation? My general perspective is, if the Secret
Service is investigating one of your tweets because they think
you might have threatened to assassinate the president of the
United States or been rooting for it to happen. You
probably done did something you shouldn't have done. Is that
a fair approximation of it? Yeah, I mean, and and
you know, and and most of the listeners know, I'm
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not a fan of Donald Trump by any means. Like this,
that's just stupid. Like, I mean, of all the jokes,
there's so many other things that you could say to
get your point across, Like what was what's the joke?
They're like, the only punch line on the joke is
that somebody's gonna kill the president, right, I mean, that's
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the only possible punchline you could have. When you use
the phrase that Malcolm X that was yelled out before
Malcolm X got assassinated, then the only punchline which people
can fill in is ha ha, Trump's gonna get assassinated too. Like,
I don't even understand the thought process. I mean, I
think it's an attempt to make a joke. Maybe there's
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a joke angle here then I'm just not getting I'm
not an expert in Jamal Hills joke thought processes, but
if you have to deconstruct the joke to the point
where you're like, oh, the assassination is the joke? Like,
probably not a good play, right That's that's a joke
that you make to your friends that are sitting with
you in the living room, not something that you put
on Twitter. And I don't even know that it's a
joke you make to your friends sitting in the well
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if I mean if for her, like if that's like
that's the thing that popped into her head and she thought, oh,
like this is funny. But then where how did that
go to let me post this to my you know
million Twitter falls what It's such a stupid thought to
to to go with. And I think about this all
the time because the line between what's going to be
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accepted as funny and what's not going to be accepted
as funny is a fine one, right, Like you don't
in this day and age, people get offended by things
all the time. But I think assassination humor. While the
president is speaking, probably not a direction you want to go.
What about you, Roberto? I mean, are you like, what
what's your thought when you see this? Yeah, it's stupid.
I totally agree with the coop what he's saying. I'm
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not a big Trump fan either, But that's just something
you don't something you don't you don't do on social media.
I mean, it's it's stupid. And and like you say,
the the what what what's the punch line? Like you say,
the punch line is that I guess of what someone's
in the shoot Donald Trump. I mean, it's it's so stupid.
And also to do the flip side. Can you imagine
if the same joke had been made, Like if I,
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as a white guy, am sitting down and I decide
I'm gonna make a Barack Obama assassination joke, they would
immediately have taken away my radio show. I wouldn't be
allowed to be on television. I would be the most
racist human being that's ever walked the planet if I
made the joke. So she's a black woman and she
makes the joke with the white guy as a punchline,
and people are like, oh, well, I mean a lot
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of people are defending her. Some people are defending her.
Maybe not a lot of people, but some people. But
if I made that same joke while Barack Obama was
doing the State of the Union, I would lose my
radio show. I would have lost my television show. I
would be like a social media pariah and the Secret
Service would have shown up on my door twenty minutes
after I sent that tweet, Dub, What do you think
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she could possibly have been thinking? Well, I think what
she was thinking is making that joke that implies assassinating
the president, And in terms of jokes you could you
should not tell when you have millions of Twitter followers
that may top the list. Especially it's not even a
joke that it's while he was doing the State of
the Union, so he she's literally sitting watching the State
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of the Union and she decided to make an assassination joke.
And again, I'm not the joke police. I don't ever
think people should get fired for what they put on
Twitter for like one individual tweet or one individual Facebook post,
even if it's like really bad, because my thought is
we shouldn't ever judge somebody solely based on the worst
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thing they put on social media, and a lot of
people do that, so I'm not saying she needs to
be fired. Would differently if it was this was a
comedian who did it and not Jamal Hill, I would
still think it was dumb. But the comedian, like I
think it's where it's made matters to me on some level.
Like I will defend a comedian to the end of
the earth. If a comedian is on a stage in
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a comedy club and he makes a joke that seems insensitive.
Later when like somebody in the comedy club records it
and they put it out and people are like, oh
my god, I can't believe that comedian said this. Well,
it's like their laboratory, right, if you are a comedian
and you're up on the stage, they're testing out humor,
they're figuring out what was To me, that is like
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that that is their place to be able to test things.
But it's different Like when what was it Kathy Griffin
or whatever like held up the severed head of Donald
Trump and a photograph and I was like, well, when
you're posing for a photograph you like this, you have
a lot of time to think. Maybe it's not a
good idea to pose with the severed head of the president,
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no matter who the president is, Like that seems like
a little bit of an exaggerated move, you know, Like,
so I would even that this is not as bad
as that, right, because when you're posing for a photo,
you have a lot of time to think about what
you're doing, and Twitter is very spur the moment. But
and and I I think, what's what's the update? Well,
so I was. I was looking at her her Twitter
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account and she's she sent this out about thirteen hours ago.
She said, so f y, I I literally have used
get your hand out of my pocket a bunch of
other times on Twitter, and always in a manner where
you want to escape or distract from a situation, never
in a way that was harmful or melissas malicious. And
she posted a screenshot. I understand. I understand that, but
I have said before a too brute, right like I
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have used that phrase. It's a famous phrase that was
said when Julius Caesar was assassinated. It the way that
you use a phrase matters, Like if I say to
you right now, Coop, I'm gonna kill you, like, people
will be like ha ha ha, because because they disagree,
because I disagree with your opinion. If I had Donald
Trump on the radio and I was interviewing him and
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I said I'm going to kill you, that would be
at the same phrase, right like, So I don't necessarily
buy into I saw that she had put out that tweets, Oh,
I've used this phrase before. Well yeah, so what like
the way that you use a phrase matters, Like if
I say to my wife, hey, want to f that's
different than me saying F you right, or you know,
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like the way that you use phrases matters. I'm gonna
kill you, coop ha ha, You're an idiot. For what
you're saying about the Lakers is different than saying it
while I've got the president or while the president is speaking, right.
So I understand she's trying to make that distinction. Now
I don't think that's a good distinction to make. Well,
I think then, I think what it proves is that
it's a phrase that she's used in different situations and
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then she's just using it again and was too like,
I don't know, you're gonna say stupid, And I think
there's a fair and that's a fair position to make,
Like you can't say that same again if I said
a to brute and like I put a picture of
myself like holding a knife alongside of a photo of
Donald Trump, right, that would be different than if I
(36:17):
said A to brute and I'm performing in a play
of Julius Caesar and uh and I've just been killed. Right,
Like the way that you use phrases matters, And if
you don't understand that, then I think you failed one
of the most basic and important parts of being a
writer and someone who makes a living with your words. Right.
(36:38):
I just think that's bad. We've got a lot of
calls of people who want to weigh in. Did I
get the opinion of Dub or did we end up
talking over Dub. Let's get to these callers opinions we got.
We got about ten callers lined up here, that one
one to hop on. All right, let's do it. Joel
in Virginia. What you got for me? Solid? Start by
the callers, Dub. What's shaking with the callers? Or is
(37:02):
our is our call screen? Or not working again? No,
it's working. We got Rama in North Carolina? All right?
Joel started off with a big, big with Rama in
North Carolina. What's up? Uh? Hi? Um? I think it's
about time people should be held accountable for their words. Um.
Just like Madonna, she wanted to blow up the White House,
nothing happened to her with it from secret didn't do anything.
(37:24):
So it's not Jamal Hill. It's time to hold people
accountable and not just you know, hide behind First Amendment.
And just like you pointed out, and if it was
Barack Obama, she'd probably be in the slimmer by now.
And why is it a double standard? He's still the president.
Elections are over, Get over it, move on. You know,
(37:45):
there's a process, deal with it, not you know, trending
everybody every day. Thank you very much, Thanks for the call.
And by the way, it's not just Jamal Hill who
said stupid stuff like this. Johnny Depp said that maybe
it was a time you remember this quote like where
Johnny Depp said, maybe it's time for another actor to
kill the president, like implying that John Wilkes Booth, who
killed obviously Abraham Lincoln, that another actor meaning himself for
(38:08):
somebody else needed to kill Trump. I mean, so there's
been a lot of people who I think have this
what's called Trump derangement syndrome where they hate Trump so
much that they end up being even more ridiculous than Trump,
which is oftentimes even tough to pull off. But Trump's
most hated critics are making him seem sane, which is
which is ultimately playing into his benefit, which is uh,
(38:31):
the worst thing that I would imagine somebody like Jamal
Hill or or in the back in the day when
he did this, I think it was the last year
Johnny Depp would have liked Daniel in Indiana. What's up, Daniel?
Y know what's going on? Gley living the dream? A
man man. I think I'd being a little too hard
about this one man. Let her have her social media
(38:53):
and say what she wants, because he says what he wants,
and everybody in the world says what they want. Sticks
and stones can break your bones, but what can words
do to you. It's not like it was a threat
from isis. She's already been fired from ESPN, you already
lost their jobs, So I stop. If she doesn't like him,
she don't like him, Yeah, but you understand, you understand
(39:14):
there's a difference between not liking somebody and tweeting out
assassination jokes. Right, But she didn't say I want to
assassinate him. She was subliminable about what she said, and
she said it out of a jokingly manner. Now, if
everyone wants to take that so serious, why he says
this and he says that, and then Daniel, what do
you think what do you think of what it hold on? Daniel?
(39:36):
What do you think would have happened to me? If
I had jokingly said that Barack Obama should be assassinated
during the State of the Union, I would have been
I would have been listening to your radio station and
I would have laughed and fell over. And I am
a black man, so I would appreciate that. If you're standard,
I appreciate that. Thanks. If your standard is the exact same,
that's all I ask, right treat What I tried to
(39:59):
do on this show every single day is treat everybody
the exact same, regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation,
anything else. I try to treat everybody the exact same.
Now you might say I don't treat people that well,
or you might say, man, that guy Clay Drivers, he
could be a real a whole. Sometimes all those things
can be accurate. But I try and treat everybody the
(40:22):
exact same. That's the best that I can do. Eddie
in Texas. What's up, Eddie? So if Daniel wants to
treat everybody the exact same, I appreciate that. I respect that, Eddie.
What's upy? Good morning? Hey? Uh? This real quickly. I'm
in the education business and I try to teach kids
besides the textbook every day, before you open your mouth,
make sure you can accept the responsibility after you spread
your words out there. Yeah, so when when when you want?
(40:44):
Everybody needs to know whether it's a Joe was social,
I don't care where it is, think about it before
you make a comment. It's also the situation. And she's
watching the speech. I mean, there's all kinds of factors
that come into this place. She's I mean, I've watched
her before on television, I kind of I mean, I
heur she's okay, but she's highly educated and she should
know better than what she's doing. And and I do
(41:06):
have an expression that I'm gonna use now, and it
comes after I heard her say this, and everybody's whatever.
What she knew what she was doing, and she chose
to do it, So she now has to accept the responsibility. Again,
that's all of us. When you choose to do something,
be able to accept responsibility not It doesn't make a
difference what I say, you say the guy that just called,
(41:28):
but you better because you know what, I had a
friend in the Secret Service, and you all to see
what them guys go through to protect the president. Oh,
I don't know at all. That's I mean, it's a
it's a serious it's serious business. You know what I'm saying.
Here in Texas with and here in Texas with I mean,
I tell kids all the time, when you do stupid
things with your mouth, I'm gonna call you catfish, all mouth,
(41:51):
no brains. That's a good line. What I've always said.
I tell my kids now, even though they're young. Freedom
of speech doesn't mean you have freedom from consequence. It's
an important lesson to learn. Also, I had to learn
this with what I do. I talk for a living
three hours every morning hour on television. I write. Sometimes
you have to think is the jokes payoff worth the joke?
(42:17):
Right when I'm sitting there with Twitter open and I'm thinking, oh,
this would be a funny line, is the jokes payoff
worth the risk of the joke? Because Twitter, I think
Jim Rome said this a while back. Twitter is like
a loaded handgun. When you go out there and you
pop something off, you don't control where that goes and
(42:37):
how people respond to it. Your intent is lost. Like
I said earlier, you don't see sarcasm there's no joke
font there's no uh, there's no sign for when somebody
is being serious or when they're not being serious. Dan
in Indiana, what's up? Dan Jamal Hill is basically a
highly educated person who walks on and playing yoke bomb
with that. And that's that's the problem in And I'm
(43:00):
a thirty three year old male who's a registered Republican
who opposed Donald Trump in the in the primary, who
opposed him on the general. But the problem is the
media leans the left way, so there's very little repercussions
for things they say. So I've actually been turned on
more to Donald Trump and the party because of how
(43:20):
the kid, the Covington Catholic kids recovered, how the how
Cavan always traveled. Those things have brought me back to
more centeral or Republicans because there is no consequence what
people because people have the same belief that she has
in media and especially sports media, there is no repercussions
for what they do. And that that to me is
where and this when she gets she gets her hand
(43:42):
called in the cookie jar because the thirty other times
she tweeted about him, she says negative things and people
there's never a consequence because people have tend to agree
with her stance most of the time. Yeah, I think
that's true. That's why I say I try to treat
like situations likely right, Um, And maybe that's the lawyer
in me who has studied for years. Is the importance
of precedent. When you respond one way to a story,
(44:05):
I want to ensure that I'm responding the same way,
so I'm not a hypocrite. I'll give you an example.
When I worked on Capitol Hill when I was in
college during the Bill Clinton impeachment trial, I did not
believe Bill Clinton should be impeached for a private sexual misconduct.
I still believe that's the correct standard for the president,
but I certainly don't believe that Donald Trump should then
(44:25):
get impeached because of some relationship he might have had
with a porn star a decade ago. Similarly, on the
Brett Kavanaugh story, you've been paying attention to what's going
on in Virginia right now. You had the guy in
black face who's the governor. You had the lieutenant governor
who comes out and may have been guilty of sexual assault,
at least it's been alleged, and then you got the
(44:46):
Attorney general who also did black face. I mean, all
three of the dudes at the top of Virginia right now,
the white guys and the black guys are all falling apart.
But when it comes to that lieutenant governor's allegation, my
standard is the same as it was on Kavanaugh. Just
because one woman says that she was sexually assaulted or
treated inappropriately without corroborating evidence doesn't mean you have to
(45:09):
believe it. And that's the lawyer in me. So my
standard is the same for Cavanaids it would be for
a lieutenant governor of Virginia. The race doesn't matter, the
party doesn't matter. You gotta treat people the same. So
I tried to do Bryce and Roanoke. You're in Virginia
in the center part of that insanity, right. I just
wanted to say, man like uh at the end of
the day. I was always taught that there is some
(45:30):
truth in jest, you know, And Jamal Hill can go
out and say or backtrack her way into saying that
this was a joke. But like the previous caller said,
the Supreme Court already ruled a hundred years ago. You know,
you cannot use your words to incite violence and to
incite a riot, and it's just one of these things
that you're sitting here and going, you know, what in
(45:52):
the hell were you thinking, lady, And it's just the shame.
It's an absolute shame. And the problem is that if
at the end of the day, if Trump killed over today,
she wouldn't she would hear it. You know, most of
these people would hear it. The problem that I have
is that all of these little wink and NodD jokes
that they make for me is just them saying, I
(46:14):
really do wish something would happen to this man, but
I'm just too I'm I'm not enough of a person
to do it myself. So I just kind of wish
I could toss it into the ether and maybe something,
you know, maybe something will happen, and then we can
just joke about it later. Yeah. I think that's the
problem is she's got a history of not liking Trump,
so when you put out an implication of an assassination,
(46:37):
it's like, well, we clearly know you don't like the president,
so we're not assuming that this is a joke standing alone. Uh,
Donnie and Richmond, what's up? Donnie? Okay? Claire, Welcome to
our state of denial about our politics. I believe my
kindergartens principle is up next to be the government. It
might be you. I don't know how they will fart
(46:59):
out the listener gonna go. Might be you the next governor. Lord.
I hope not. We'd all be in trouble. But in
all honest Jamale's hill, open your mouth again and stuck
your foot in it. It wasn't funny, it wasn't cute,
and I'd like to know when somebody's gonna look at
this what it is. It's a racist issue. Gets a
de president, is what it is. If this was said
about Obama, you would have been a handcuffs Clay and
I wouldn't be listening to show today. I think there's
(47:20):
some truth to that. Like me a couple of more
quickly Alan, New Mexico, what's up? Hey? I think everybody's
taking this, uh just totally the wrong way. I think
Jamale put it is just striving get the nomination for
the Kathy Griffin uh idiot uh two thousand nineteen Idiot Awards.
I'm out. Yeah, there's no doubt. Robert in Kentucky with
(47:40):
Robert A. He've had a couple of callers on their
cover pretty much everything I needed to say. But uh,
I think you know, if I'd wrote a letter to
the President Britain and his wife, even though just be
in my eyes and someone else decides that would have
seen a letter, I would have been in jail the
next day. Yeah, I think she deserved about thirty days
in jail. That would be wild. Fox Sports Radio has
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