Burrow Blows Up Bourbon Street

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome in podcast listeners. Absolute chaos in New Orleans as
L s U wins the National Championship. Your boy here
was wrong. I didn't believe coach O could do it.
And how about Joe Burrow best single quarterbacking season in
the history of college football. All of it happened last
night in the Superdome. I was there, and boy did

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we ever have to wake up and work and break
down everything that happened. Uh, big guest. We got Charles Davis,
we got Joel Clatt, and we got Petros Papadakas all
counting down the chaos and the insanity and the beauty.
If you are an L s U fan of the
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. What a epic performance from
Joe Burrow last night. We're talking about the man, the myth,
the legend, Joe Burrow going out and posting four hundred

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and sixty three yards passing, five passing touchdowns one rushing touchdown.
He also helped put up six hundred and twenty eight
yards of offense for the l. S U Tigers, going
up against what had been the nation's best defense. They
came back. L s U did from a seventeen to

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seven deficit against Clemson. I believe it was early in
the second half, if I'm not mistaken, outscored Clemson thirty
five to eight from that point forward and Joe Burrow
put together. Let's not make this confusing. Let's not complicate this.
This is the single greatest season that any college quarterback

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has ever produced in the history of the sport. He
went for sixty total touchdowns, passing and running through four
over five thousand, six hundred yards against the best competition
that anyone could play in the country. He did fantastic against.

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These are teams that Joe Burrow and LSU beat this year, Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Clemson. That doesn't even count Texas. But I believe
those six teams are six of the top teams, a
top ten teams in the country. L s you beat
them all on route to becoming I believe, the best

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fifteen and oh team in the history at college football.
One of them, I believe was like pen back in
two or something like that. And then last year Clemson
went fifteen and oh. But nobody has gone fifteen and
oh and played anywhere near the caliber of competition Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida,
Oklahoma and Clemson the nation's best conference, the most dominant

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performance you can possibly imagine. Joe Burrow is going to
be drafted number one overall. His ability to know and
get better as the game goes along is absolutely splendid.
His ability to recognize defenses, his ability to PenPoint pass,
and to completely manage things in a flawless fashion. This

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is an unprecedented level of success for Joe Burrow. Again,
I think the best we have ever seen from a
college quarterback in the history of the sport. Now it's
not just Joe Burrow. This is redemption and a sense
for l s U, which came into New Orleans the

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last time they were trying to win a championship with
Les Miles as their head coach and a thirteen and
old football team, and Nick Saban and Alabama embarrassed them
here in New Orleans found a way to get the
win against L s U. L s U had beaten
Alabama nine to six earlier that season. This is a

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party that feels like it's been nine years in the
waiting and L s U comes into town. They had
a seventy incredible environment in the in the Superdome. I
was there watching it. It was a splendid performance. The
party raged on into the night. I'm gonna be honest

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with you all, it's still going in the French Quarter.
I feel like all night long they have continued to serve.
It was loud all night in my hotel room. I
could hear people out in the streets well into the night.
Uh and on into the more Ning where we are
doing the show now on Tuesday morning, as people are
picking themselves up literally out of the gutters, I think

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that's happening in some places and dusting themselves off, still
celebrating the Bayou Bengals big win. It's not just Joe
Burrow either, how about at Oseron, a guy who was
told by USC you aren't good enough to be our
head coach when he went six and two. Is an
interim head coach, a guy who I'll be honest with you,
I didn't believe in at all when he was at

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ole Miss, because he went ten and twenty five as
a head coach, three and twenty one in the SEC.
And you can go back and look at my comments
when l s U hired at Oseron, I said, they
are settling. This guy is not going to be able
to compete at a high level with Nick Saban. I
didn't believe it based on what I had seen and

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how incompetent he was as a head coach with Ole Miss,
how unable they were to ever have an offense that
made sense. He recruited well, he brought in a lot
of talent, talent that was good enough eventually for Houston
Nutt to be able to come in and win with
the players that he had brought to Oxford. But ten
and twenty five, three and twenty one, I didn't believe

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that he could be a success at l s U.
And here he is forty and nine now at l
s U. Twenty three and seven in the SEC, fifteen
and oh outright nine and oh in the SEC this
year and a national champion. It's an incredible story Hollywood
storybook ending for both at Ogeron and for Joe Burrow,

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because remember, Joe Burrow was the quarterback who dreamed his
entire life of playing for Ohio State, that Ohio State
said you're not good enough. Dwayne Haskins wins the job.
He's a graduate transfer last year at l s U.
He's just okay. Sixteen touchdowns, six interceptions. No one on

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the planet believed that he was gonna come in and
perform like this. Hell, you could have gotten at two
hundred to one to win the Heisman Trophy. It is
off the charts what he was able to accomplish. Sixty
five touchdowns and this is what he's done in the
final three games of his college career. How About against Georgia,

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pretty good football team. How about against Oklahoma in the playoffs?
How about against Clemson in the playoffs? Six team touchdowns,
zero interceptions. Since he has gotten done with the regular
season when he went twelve and oh and since he
has played against Georgia, who you remember was a top
four team, Oklahoma who you remember, top four team? Clemson

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second best team in college football according to Uh, the
way that the playoff worked out and Joe Burrow goes
out and dominates. Congratulations to l s U fans, Congratulations
to Joe Alleva. I believe it was the athletic director
at l s U who made the decision to go
with that ogeron when I'll be honest with you, Uh,

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the sexy higher would have been Tom Herman in Texas
or Jimbo Fisher leaving f SU to come to l
s U. Those were the rumored names, guys who had
want at a high level. Instead, Coach Oh and that
gruff go Tiger talk has been the absolute perfect higher
in the absolute perfect situation. I just I don't know

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what else to say except that l s U clearly
the unquestioned best team in college football this year, Joe
Burrow the greatest college football quarterback of all time, and
incredible redemption both for Burrow and his family finding a
new home in Louisiana and for Coach Oh, who seems
like he's out of central casting. The perfect coach to

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be representing l s U and all the die hard
Purple and Gold people all over this great state where
we are broadcasting from today for the second day in
a row. Everybody is letting the good times roll laon.
Tom Rouley. I believe that I mangled that, probably in
my French accent, but it's been all about that in
the French quarter. I want to bring in Jason Martin. Now,

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j mart you watched last night. You saw the performance
by Joe Burrow, how dominant L s U was, and
how incredible it has become that coach O wins a
national title and Joe Burrow, the guy that nobody wanted,
puts up the greatest season in the history of college football.
It's all remarkable, isn't it. It's unbelievable. Um. You know,

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there are times when you feel like you're stealing money
in this job, and me being paid today to sit
here and tell you Joe Burrow is good. It's one
of those times. Yeah, this was transcendent. This is something
we've never seen before. I was just looking at the
current final a P top pole and you think about

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L s U and who they went through this year.
They beat Clemson, they beat Georgia, they beat Florida, they
beat Oklahoma, and they beat Alabama Emma. That's five of
the top eight in the final poll. Any Associated Press
I'm pretty sure that's never been done before. And they
didn't just beat those teams, they annihilated those teams, And

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in some respects, the teams didn't look the same after
they played them either. You go back to that Texas game,
which seems so long ago. Texas is back. No, they're
really not like after that happened, they were not the
same football team. L s U was so good they
demoralized you when you played against them. If you can
beat Trevor Lawrence and make him I saw this stat
he had thirteen overthrows against l s U, which is

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the second worst in any FBS game performance by a
quarterback all season. This is Trevor Lawrence. We're talking about that.
Dude's really good. Everybody's entitled to a bad day, but
it seemed like most everybody had a horrible day when
they matched up with Joe Burrow in this offense. What
we just saw was a redemption story for two guys.

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You mentioned O Geran, But when you think of Joe Burrow,
how easy Clay and I actually mentioned this on my
Fox show about a month ago. I said, and when
he won the Heisman, how easy would it be if
you dreamed of playing at Ohio State and you were
there but couldn't get on the field. To play the
victim card and to say, you know what, this ain't
gonna work out for me, and just be that guy.

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Because it's real easy to get down on yourself, play
the victim card and try to draw in sympathy. It's
a lot harder to not let that define you. Your
hardships don't define you. What defines you is how you
react to said hardships, how you react to adversity, and
sports is a good metric for that. We see it
all the time, and we just saw it with Joe Burrow,

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and we just saw it with that Ozeron. We saw
it with Virginia Cavaliers losing to a sixteen seed and
coming back the next year and winning the national championship.
We saw a ten year struggle for Tiger Woods to
get back, but he did make it back and actually
win the Masters last year. This is an ultimate example
of somebody who did not let a add circumstance, a
tough scenario, something that hurt his ego, I'm sure, and

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hurt his pride and was tough for his family. He
didn't let that define him Clay. He came back and
he went fifteen and oh, which only two teams have
ever done in the history of college football, and put
forth by far inarguably the best season I've ever seen
from a college football player. I don't know what else
I need to say. It was absolutely unbelievable to witness

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this season from Joe Burrow. Man, it really was, and
it was so improbable. Again, if you kind of use
the Heisman Trophy prognostications as a rough approximation of what
to expect, two hundred to one. That is, if you
put down a dollar on Joe Burrow, you would have

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gotten two hundred dollars back before the season started. And
the Heisman Trophy is for the best single season, right
for the for the most outstanding player. We're not even
talking about him being the most outstanding player this season.
We are talking about him being the greatest quarterback in
one season in college football history, which would have been

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what like two thousand to one. I mean, I don't
know what the numbers would have been on Joe Burrow
putting up what he did total touchdowns, And again, to
think about it, you ran through all those great teams
that he beat, but just starting with Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson,
three teams that were ranked in the top four when

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he played against them. Sixteen touchdowns, no interception. That's absurd.
It really is amazing. We're gonna talk about what his
projection is going forward, also what we learned, if anything,
from Trevor Lawrence. Gonna be joined by Joel Klatt, national
college football analysts and the man who calls all of

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the big games on Fox. He's up next. This is
out kicked the coverage with Clay Travis joined now by
Joel Flatt. You can follow him on Twitter at Joel Clatt.
He's on his way up to the Fox a lot
to to sit in with Colin Cowherd and break down
what happened in the college football national title game last night.

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He'll be on Fox Sports Radio later today doing that
as well. But he joins us now. Uh and so Joel,
let's dive right into it here. Uh. I I tweeted this,
and I don't look I I tweet a lot of things.
Some things are smart, like uh, like hey Joe Burrow
is uh is maybe the greatest college quarterback of all
time for one season. Other things are such as there's

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no way at Oseron ever wins at a high level
at l s U. Uh So, let's break down what
we learned last night in this game. First of all,
is this the greatest single season for a quarterback in
college football history? Uh? Joe Burrow sixty five touchdowns, he
puts helps to post six hundred and twenty eight yards
of offense. Uh in a game to win the national championship.

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His team goes fifteen. You know, my argument is, yes,
would you argue anything else? Uh No, I wouldn't argue
against that. It is. I tweeted the same thing. It's
the best single season a quarterback play that we've ever seen.
He set the touchdown record being called Brennan's mark called
Brennan played at Hawaii. He beat Colt McCoy's mark of
completion percentage. Uh So, he's got the highest completion percentage ever.

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He's not that far from yards. And when you look
at some of the competition that those guys outside of
Colt McCoy, who faced a much better Big twelve than
it was now you know, I mean he did this
against what is it, five top fifteen defenses, I mean
play so this was the number one defense in the country.
It was supposed to be um number one defenses in

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the country, you know, in particular when they're facing really
good offenses in the National championship game, are supposed to
be the ones that win. In fact, the only other
number one offense that went against a great defense and
one was that old five Texas team. So, you know,
I think that when you look at at this season.
He didn't play at Hawaii, you know, all respect to

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colet Brendan, who actually know personally. You know, before he
transferred to Hawaii, he was at Colorado with me and
it was a teammate of mine. But this he did
this against Georgia and Florida and and at Texas when
we all thought Texas was really good. Uh, he did
this against Auburn at Alabama. He did it against like
I said, Georgia in the SEC championship game, Oklahoma, number

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four team in the country, and the playoffs again against
the number one defense Clemson. This was the best single
season any quarterback has ever played in our sport. And
I don't and I don't really think that you can
argue against that. It really was remarkable and he never
had an off game. That's the one thing that I
think is the most remarkable is that he never threw

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out that game. I was like, oh, he threw for
six and to two interceptions, Like that didn't happen, Clay,
It's in It's insane the level of consistency that he had.
And even after Clemson was getting restaurant him early, even
after he was shaking up just a little bit last night,
even after he was maybe flustered a little bit in
the first few series, what do you do? He just

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kept plugging along and then just delivered dime after dime
down the stretch, in particular on those fade routes to
Jamaar Chase. So can the Bengals even screw him up? Like,
let's let's take a look the problem. But that's the problem. Yes,
they can screw him up. That's that's what sucks. Like
Joe Burrow played himself into a terrible situation. Financially great,

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but from a career standpoint, like an awful situation. He's
got to go to one of the worst organizations in football. So, uh,
I listen. I know Zach Taylor personally, and I think
he's a really good coach. I hope he had success.
I think he's a really good quarterback coach. He understands
what he's doing. But you know, I mean, would you
want to go to Cincinnati? No? I mean if and

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if I did, you know what I would. You know,
it's a shame somewhat that we almost don't get a
package deal in a situation like this, because I'll be
honest with you, I feel like the Cincinnati Bengals should
pay whatever it takes to bring Joe Brady with UH
with UH, certainly Joe Burrow to Cincinnati. Like, if you're
gonna invest it to pay this guy fifty million dollars

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and you know or whatever the number is, I don't
know what the number one overall pick gets guaranteed, but
it's around fifty million dollars. I think if you're gonna
make that, I think it was like one or two
that could be wrong. Okay, So if you're gonna guarantee
somebody that whatever it takes for Joe Brady to leave
l s U and come with Joe Burrow would be
a decision that I would make and have to do

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right because I want him surrounded by whatever the best
possible scenario is to help him learn and to put
him in the best possible situation to succeed in the
NFL because you watched him play this year. I watched
him play this year. He can make every throw right, like,
there's not throws that he can't make, and he's clearly
a cerebral guy. He gets better as games go along.

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It took him a little while, Joel. Like last night,
it was seventeen to seven, Clemson was up and l
s U had looked a little bit wobbly. Now, partly
that's because they penned them deep a couple of the
early possessions and they couldn't really kind of get the
space going that they needed. But from being down seventeen
to seven, l s U outscored Clemson thirty five to

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eight the rest of the game. And really it wasn't
very close. Now the Clemson's credit, they came out and
scored early in the second half to make us think, Okay,
what's gonna happen here, But they never really put themselves
in position where you felt like, oh, Clemson's gonna take
control of this game. I no, I totally agree. Um, okay,

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two parts to that. The whole Joe Brady thing. Let
me get to you, I mean, you made all strong points.
Let me just work through all of them if you
don't mind. Okay. So the Bengals Joe Brady type as
Shue here is the one saving brace I think for
Joe Burrow is that if you if you get back
into like the origins of offense of what he was

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running this year that Joe Brady brought in the passing
game with Ensminger, they were running the New Orleans Saints offense.
That offense via Sean Payton has its origins in the
West Coast. Okay, so it's kind of a West Coast system,
Okay style that the terminology, the philosophy, the way the

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quarterback is supposed to think and read progressions, and how
he's supposed to view certain coverages, so on and so forth. Well,
Zach Taylor with Cincinnati, he's also a West Coast disciple. Remember, uh,
he was with um On. I'm blanking his name. Why
am I blinking his name? He was with the l
A coach out here, San Sean McVeigh. I always forget

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his name for something. Yes, it's weird. I don't know.
There's many Shawn's. I forget the McVeigh. I don't know
what it is there's certain names you know that sometimes
you just forget, and he's one for me too. He's
it's his he's too handsome, was blinding me with flora Um.
And so he has his background if you remember now
back through the Redskins and and really through kind of

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the Shanahan tree, and and that's how he came up,
which is the West Coast origins. So I will I
will say that when you're looking at fit from a
schematic standpoint, if you if you throw away the the
the really poor nature of the organization when you look
at football fit, this is a decent football fit for

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Burrow under Zach Taylor. So I don't think that they
have to have Joe Brady as well. You're making a
suit point, but but you know what I mean. It
has to do more with just the origins of offense.
And he is going to go to an offense that
has its origins in the West Coast, and I think
that that's gonna help. That's gonna help a lot. Now
to your point about the game and how he got

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better the entire time, he absolutely did. You were correct
about them getting backed up, and it was like Clemson
knew that they were going to have to come in
as an their dog and a championship fight and throw
some haymakers early. And they did that, and they did that,
and Brent Venables had a really good game plan, and
they were confusing l s U most of the night
with their pass rush. And guess what, regardless of how

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many times they threw a confusing pressure at Joe Burrow
or how many times they hit him, which they did often,
he never panicked. Never one time last night did Joe
Burrows get blustered or panic. This dude was just like
the steely eyed assassin. And he just kept coming back,
going through his progression and delivering the ball accurately. Um,

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you're right. He probably played a little bit fast for
his own good early in the game, but man, by
the end of the game, he had figured him out.
He was delivering the ball in the right spot. I
hope he has a ton of success. He's gonna get
paid forty or fifty million dollars, and I hope that
he gets the second contract. This is the type of
guy that is easy for NFL evaluators to look at

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and say, Yep, this absolutely works in the NFL because
he's operating an NFL says them, He's making checks on
his own. He knows protections, he anticipates windows, he throws
guys open. He's accurate, he's on time, he checks every
single box and and Clay. This is my favorite part
about Joe Brady is the dude has had to deal

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with adversity. See so many times that I used to
talk with John Kitten about this a lot. Actually we
would call it the only child syndrome of quarterback play.
When a quarterback has been the pampered star his entire life.
And there are many of them right that have never
had to compete for a job, never faced adversity. Those
guys you never you never exactly know how things are

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gonna go when they face adversity in the NFL. Now
with this guy, we know he was lightly recruited. He
had to transfer from Ohio State because they gave the
job to Dwayne Haskins. He went in there and he
had to win over new teammates. He became a leader,
he became a captain. He had an average season, then
he had a great season. Like this dude has been
down the war path, and you know how he's gonna

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deal with adversity. You know his leadership style. It's a
no brainer, and I hope he has a ton of success.
We're talking to Joel Klatt, Fox lead college football analyst.
Let's talk about Ed Oseron for a minute. All right,
I got this completely wrong. I don't remember exactly what
you said, but when l s U decided to hire him,

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I said, my god, this is such a mishap. To
not get Tom Herman, to allow Texas to outplay you,
to allow Jimbo Fisher to play you a little bit.
It felt like at Florida State, so that you kind
of fell on back on at oh, coach Oseron, you
didn't have a better option. I looked at what happened
with him at Old Miss. It was a disaster, and

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I said, if he couldn't win at all at Old Miss,
I don't believe he's gonna take over l s U
and be able to compete with the Nick Sabans of
the world. I got that completely wrong. I don't know
what you thought when L s you hired him, but
what does this say about coaching fit? And say can
chances that he could fail so epically at Old Miss
and be a national championship winning coach at L s U.

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There aren't a lot of examples that we could even
point to. And one reason there aren't a lot of
examples is a lot of times when a guy fails
completely somewhere, he doesn't get the second opportunity. Everything had
to eventually fall right for coach Oh, and really it
cost him USC as well. Right, that's the reason he
didn't get a second option, uh, second chance at USC,
because they were afraid uh to to be that that

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school giving him a second chance. That's that's exactly right.
And and but sometimes you know, you're never the coach
that that you You never reach your potential unless you
go through some of those trials and tribulations, you know.
And I think he needed old Miss, He needed to
be rebuffed by USC. You need some of those play
You and I talked about I can't remember what you

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called that podcast and thought it was really good, but
it was Origins or something like that. And Wins and
loss Yeah, yeah, the wins and Losses, that's right, and
and the winds and lit. It was a fascinating discussion.
I felt like we had I remember one of the
points that I made to you was like one of
the most frustrating parts and parts about hindsight is realizing
that I always desperately wanted to be a lead analyst

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in college football for a network. But in hindsight, I
realized that I wasn't ready until I actually got it,
you know, like I needed to experience some of the
things that I experienced, some of the failures that I
that I went through in my life before I was
I was good enough and prepared enough to be where
I'm at today, and I'm not liking that being a
head coach, but Brett Ogeron he needed to be on

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the path to be the guy is uh, you know,
waking up a national championship coach this morning? Um so
fit has a lot to do with it. And I
will take you back to exactly what I said, because
I got it a little bit wrong as well, Mabjack failure.
But I did say, why in the world would you
pay this guy three and a half million dollars or whatever?
They paid three point eight million dollars at a time

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like who else was offering. You know, at some point
you've got to understand leverage, And I thought, like, ed
Oh has no leverage right now, why are you paying
him over three and a half million dollars to be
your head coach. Obviously that was a little bit shortsighted hindsight,
but hindsight now delivers a ring for for l s U.
I think fit has a lot to do with it.

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He obviously fits there. And I would make one other point,
and I think that this is something that we need
to start viewing um a little bit more acutely and
more accurately as we evaluate jobs and head coaches and
head coaching possibilities around college football, maybe even in the NFL.
But if you look at since the year two thousands,

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some of the best dynasties, if you want to call
it or runs in college football, you would start with Miami,
of course, but then you would go to USC. USC
Pete Carroll was their fifth choice, and they were widely
panned for making that higher, and they thought he was
kind of a failed option from the NFL before he
went on to run with the USC. Then you start

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looking at some of the other runs that took place, uh,
and I would put Clemson on a little bit of
a run right now. They were widely panned for hiring
Dabo Sweeney as a guy that was an interim and
then they gave him a job, and everyone thought, why
in the world would give Dabbo Sweeney this job. Now
he's one of a couple of national championships within the
National Championship again tonight. He's been in four National Championship

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games now and the last one is in five years.
I mean, the guy is constantly there. Um and now
at oseron who's a national champion and what was he?
He was a guy that was an interim coach and
kind of got that tag lifted. There's a lot of
ringing of hands and everything like that. You see some
of the other guys making playoff appearances. Look at Ryan Day,
he was hired from within, Lincoln Riley was hired from within.

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And then some of the splashiest hires out there have
not panned out, namely Jimbo Fisher at at Texas A
and m we'll see what happens next year, and Tom
Herman in Texas. So I think it's just a fascinating
look at the year two thousand. We've had guys that
were widely criticized before they coached the game, and they
turned a program into an power um, you know, without

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a ton of experience in their back pockets. As the
head coaches. It relates to the success from that standpoint.
So just something interesting that I think we should all
be aware of moving into the future. Uh. Last question
for you, what do you think about Trevor Lawrence? He
wasn't very good in this game? He was superb in
his game last year at this time. You came on
with us right after Clemson had won with a true freshman,

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after they whipped Nick Saban. Uh. He missed a lot
of throws tonight. He was high on a lot of
the throws. I gotta give l s u a lot
of credit because they put him in third and long
quite a bit. But also he was nowhere near the
same quarterback uh in this title game as he was
his first title game. What do you attribute that to?
Was it just finally looked the guys? Whatever? He was

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twenty nine wins in a row for Clemson. They were
due to have a game where they didn't kind of
click on all cylinders. What did you see? Did you
think anything to see anything to be concerned about? For him? Well?
I think from him not not really, other than it's
becoming pretty apparent to me that their conference is so

(30:15):
easy that they're not forced to be very creative offensively,
and I think that they've gotten very comfortable with what
they do and it's not very hard to figure out.
And I think in other words, their players are just
so much better that they don't have to out scheme anybody.

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That's right, They don't out scheme anybody. And and I
think Lawrence falls into the trap of waiting until guys
are open to throw the football. And if you do
that against a team like l s U or even
Ohio State, which they didn't throw the ball well against. Remember,
I mean, it's not like they were light in the
world on fire throwing the football against Ohio State. And
in in the same respect, you can't wait for windows

(30:58):
to be open. When Joe Borrow was anticipating throws and
throwing his guys open, Lawrence was waiting to see throws
open before he released. And when you do that, there's
there's a sense of I don't know what the right
word is, play like jumpiness or panic in in your
throw and you kind of jump at the throw because
you want to make it right. Now you realize that
it's a touch late, just uh innately, you realize that

(31:21):
it's a touch late, and that's why. I think some
of those throws were high. I think he is the
product right now of his system, and if he worked
to get with a guy like Joe Brady or Ryan
Day or Lincoln Riley, he would take even more of
a jump than what we've seen over the last couple
of years. But right now, he's the product of what
I would call is is kind of a mundane offensive

(31:41):
system where he doesn't have to play great the entirety
of the season, and then at times when he gets
into those big games late in the year. At least
this year, I felt like the speed of the game
was different for him and he didn't play play quite
like I thought he would in particular, and like last
night's ball game. So think that he needs a coach
that's better for him from a quarterback perspective than what

(32:03):
he has now. Outstanding stuff is always go Follow Joel
on Twitter at Joel Klatt. You can listen to him
later today with Colin Calherd breaking down everything as well.
Appreciate my man. Awesome to thank fud. This is outkicked
the coverage with Clay Travis. I want to bring in

(32:27):
Jason Martin cause I want to have this conversation with him.
One of the topics we had j Mart was how
is Joe Burrow going to do in UH the NFL,
And we'll get to that in a sect because I
want to get your thoughts on it as well, particularly
my idea of potentially bringing in Joe Brady, and Joel
did a good job explaining why he thinks that could

(32:47):
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Slash cash back match. UH is interesting. UH. Last night

(33:09):
in the press box in UH in New Orleans Superdome
up there talking with several other people media there, sportswriters, whatnot,
and our conversation in the second half turned to surely
there is no way the Bengals can ruin Joe Burrow,
right because the expert nests with which he was throwing

(33:33):
UH passes in the second half, combined with the stats
that he's produced all season long. I don't remember that
if I've watched a college quarterback and thought, more, my god,
this guy is almost a surefire NFL success story. Now,
I know that you out there listening to me right
now have probably thought and said that about guys that

(33:56):
ended up not being successful. Certainly I have before as well.
And there are elements that make you a little bit
nervous about Joe Burrow. Yes, he is incredibly accurate. But
if you want to say, okay, he's not managing the game,
calling every play, he's looking to the sideline as many
guys do in college football to get the best matchups

(34:17):
identified to help have the defense called for him to
be told exactly what to do, different than what would
take place in the NFL. Certainly, But Jason Martin having
watched Joe Burrow in person now, I watched him in
person against Georgia, I watched him in person against against Alabama,

(34:39):
and I watched him in person now against Clemson. Those
are three really good teams, three teams that finished in
the top eight of the AP Top twenty five pole.
I don't have any doubts at all about Burrow. I
said his performance on the road against Alabama was arguably
the best game I'd ever seen a quarterback play on

(35:01):
the road in a situation like that in my life.
And I've already said to start the show that I
think Joe Burrow is posted now the best single season
in the history of college football. I think he moved
past Cam Newton. Maybe we'll talk about that a little
bit later in the show. But do you have any
doubts about this guy at all? No? I really, I mean,
is that crazy? No? I mean I might have if

(35:22):
I hadn't, Like I told you this yesterday when we
were talking about Burrow, these throws where he's about to
walk out of bounds and he's able to throw on
a frozen rope down the sidelines and stuff I've seen
two guys in the NFL do in the last decade consistently,
Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. If I'm putting you in
the same classification with those guys in terms of what
I think you can do with your arm and what
kind of talent I'm watching from you, I mean, I

(35:45):
think that there's no possible way that you can actually
speak hyperbolic about him. If that's the way you see
him now him going to the Bengals, it's a perfect
story if he goes there and he succeeds because the
Ohio tie in and the futility of the Bengals and
everything else that goes there. Like it's not quite the
same obviously, but he's he could do for that state

(36:07):
in football, kind of what Lebron didn't basketball in some
respects if he was that good. The problem is the
Bengals have been bad for a long time. They're still
gonna be bad. The offensive line is not good. They've
got to go get some weapons, they've got to build,
and they've got a head coach is gonna be in
a second year in Zach Taylor, who I don't know
that we know enough about yet. I don't think that

(36:28):
they should fire him. I'm glad that they're gonna keep
him around. He was a quarterbacks coach for the Rams
last season when Jared Goff did enough to get paid
all of that money in the off season. He knows
what he's doing. He was around Sean McVeigh, so clearly
he must know what he's doing. I certainly hope that
they don't screw him up. I don't think they're gonna
screw him up. Don't you think that potentially bringing in

(36:51):
Joe Brady would be Oh yeah, absolutely, pay him every
cent that you have to pay him to get him there.
Why in the world wouldn't you It doesn't count of
get your cap and just pay him millions. It doesn't matter.
Get him there. Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna invest
that much money in Joe Brady, uh, sorry, in Joe Burrow,
I want to surround him with whatever I possibly can
to make it as successful as possible for Joe Brady

(37:12):
going forward. I don't think it's a difficult decision. To me,
it's kind of a no brainer to be quite honest,
and do everything that you can to get that guy
as successful as he possibly can be. All Right, appreciate
all of you hanging out with us from what is
a wild and hectic New Orleans as they are celebrating
the big national championship for l s U. Helps to

(37:34):
assuage some of the pain by the way of the
Saints not being able to make a run to the
Super Bowl the past couple of years. Uh. We will
continue to break down this game, in particular when we
come back to start off our two. I want to
discuss who are the guys who have had the best
single seasons in college football history, particularly at the quarterback,

(37:54):
but beyond will debate and discuss. Be sure to catch
live editions about kick the Coverage with claytre of US
week days at six am Eastern, three am Pacific. I
said coming into this game that this was a incredibly
important game as you looked towards the future of both
Joe Burrow and Trevor Lawrence, And in particular, I said, look,

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if Joe Burrow wins and gets to fifteen and oh,
I think he's gonna have the greatest single season in
the history of college football. If Trevor Lawrence wins, he's
gonna have two national championships to start off his college
football career. And probably assume he doesn't decide to sit out,
he's gonna come back for a third year and be
going for a third straight national championship. Well, Joe Burrow

(38:39):
was transcendent last night. He went out and these are
the stats, by the way, four hundred and sixty three
yards passing, five passing touchdowns, one rushing touchdown, finishing with
five thousand, six hundred and seventy one yards passing no
one else in SEC's history had ever gone over forty hundred.

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The l s U Tigers posted six hundred and twenty
eight yards of offense against Clemson, the number one defense
in all of college football coming into this game. Joe
Burrow finishes with sixty five total touchdowns, sixty passing against

(39:19):
just six I N T s. I mean, this is
just I mean, these are like not real life numbers
that he manages to post here. Also has several rushing touchdowns.
Just an unbelievable performance. In an hour one and also
on Twitter, I talked about the fact this is the
best single season that I've ever seen from a quarterback. Now,

(39:41):
there have been other great seasons by quarterbacks, certainly in
college football history. The best season that I've ever seen
from a quarterback prior to now was Cam Newton in
the national title year with the Auburn Tigers, when he
won a uh when we won a Heisman Trophy, when
the team went four Tina Oh, when Cam Newton kind

(40:01):
of came out of nowhere. He was a transfer from
Blend Community College, if I remember correctly, had been kicked
out of Florida. Not the exact same as Joe Burrow.
But somewhat similar in that the initial school that he
went to he had not succeeded at. He had to
go back, go do somewhere new in order to win
them a championship. Now the same thing has happened at

(40:22):
L s U. Different scenarios, but new quarterback comes in,
transfers in and wins you a championship. I believe that
Joe Burrow has surpassed Cam Newton four the best ever
quarterback season in the history of college football. Um And
when you really think about this scenario in general, it's

(40:44):
so incredibly improbable. You could have gotten minimum. You could
have gotten forty two one odds on L. S U
to win the national Championship. I believe before the season
started you could have gotten two hundred to one odd
on Joe Burrow to win the Heisman Trophy. And probably
in general, if you had been like, hey, what are

(41:07):
the odds that Joe Burrow is going to have the
greatest single season in the history of college football for
a quarterback, you probably could have gotten even crazier two
thousand to one, four thousand to one. I don't even
know what the odds would have had to been for anybody,
but then to say nothing of a guy like Joe Burrow.

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It could have at least been somebody if in Trevor Lawrence,
people might have said, Okay, I could see him having
an unbelievable season, maybe even two. Uh, because of how
good they were the year before. I don't think I've
ever seen anything like it. I'm trying to go through
right now. Uh, Jason Martin. I want to bring in
Jason Martin here and think about who the other guys
are that you could point to at the quarterback position.

(41:51):
I think Cam is number two on my list, Joe
Burrows one. Who's your number three? Um? Number three? I
think would probably just looking at one list, I'm looking
at his Tebow and OH seven. Yeah, but that's not
the year that he won the national championship. So the
challenges that knocks him down because Tebow won the national
championship in OH six and oh eight. His O seven

(42:13):
year was the single best statistical year that he ever had.
But I believe the Florida Gators went nine and four
that year, So I think you have to knock him
down quite a bit because the two years when he
won national championships, he was a part time helper with
Chris Leak and O six and an OH eight that
was his team. But OH seven was the best year

(42:34):
he ever had on a rush, rushing and passing basis.
But again I think you have to dock him some
there because he didn't have a championship. No, I agree
with you. I mean I think Cam is number two. Um.
I mean you can maybe look at like v Y
maybe Yeah, I think I think you could. I think
you could argue in OH five that Vince Young when
his team went undefeated and beat USC in what I

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still think is probably the greatest college football game of
the modern era, certainly of the BCS era and and
playing for titles, I think that's probably the best. I
think you could make an argument for Liner, but it's
almost like a career achievement because he was so good
for all those years with that with sc Uh that
I think that's a little bit hard to kind of
to kind of make that argument on the one particular year.

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A few others that that I see in this list
mentioned again, none of them had fifteen To know, I mean,
that's all we've been done two other times, first of all.
But Manzel had his one year that was pretty dagon stellar.
They were eleven and two if I remember correctly, pasting
touchdowns twenty one rushing touchdowns. Uh. And then the other
one that's actually mentioned interestingly enough, and obviously this is

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not going to compare because of opponents and everything else.
Steve mcnarrat Alcorn State with his seventy seven passing yards,
forty seven passing touchdowns, nine rushing touchdowns, and nine four
rushing yards. Here's here's the other couple. Here's the other
couple of guys that I would put into the end
of the equation. And even maybe I'm being a little
bit difficult in that national title in order to it's

(44:03):
a little bit. It's a little bit of an important
aspect to me. So I would go, if I'm ranking
right now my top five, let's say, uh. And it's
somewhat also going to be slanted in the last you know,
thirty or forty years, because it's a lot different playing
quarterback now than it was in nineteen fifty and sixty.

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I don't I didn't watch the sport. It's hard to judge, right.
I would put Joe Burrow one in the second spot.
I think you have to put Cam Newton uh in
the third spot. And uh, and this is one that's
also relatively recent vintage. I think he might have to go.
Jamis Winston Heisman Trophy winner. Uh is phenomenal in his

(44:44):
red shirt freshman year, team goes undefeated fourteen and oh,
his stats were pretty spectacular that year to go win
the Heisman Trophy and be able to put all of that,
all of those kind of rolled in together. Uh, in
terms of big time performances, I think you have to
put him there. I agree with you on some level

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that two thousand seven Tim Tebow year was just so
flat out unbelievable that I've got him at number four
on my list and then in the five spot. I mean,
it's a little bit of a challenge, but I feel
like you almost have to give it for multiple years
of performance to Matt Weiner. It's almost like a career

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achievement award for all the stats that he put up
during those sc years. Some other guys that you could
put into the equation, because we know Liner one at
least two championships, and I understand some of you out
there were like, well, you know, they had the Reggie
Bush issue and they took it. That's a championship, right, Like,
I'm not I'm not taking that away. Um, I I
thought Johnny Manzel was unbelievable in his Heisman Trophy year.

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You can't take anything away from him. Marcus Mariotta came
really really close fourteen and one in his final year,
loses the championship. His statistical year was off the charts.
Robert Griffin the third, even though Baylor was not particularly great,
the statistics that he put up that year. Um, you know,
you'll look at Lamar Baker, Mayfield, Kyler Murray. There's a

(46:12):
lot of different people that you could have the arguments for.
But I think my five my five greatest single season.
And again I'm cheating a little bit on this because
we'd have to decide which one we want to give
for Matt Weiner. But I would go Burrow one, Cam
Newton to Jamis three, Tebou for Matt Liner at five.
I think that's a pretty good list, And maybe we

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need to fairly say the last you know, twenty five years,
because I do think that sport of college football is
a lot different in the last thirty thirty five, forty years,
whatever you want to say as it compares two in
past seasons. Yeah, one other one that I was I'm
looking up now because I don't remember if he was
banged up at a different time. But maybe we're forgetting

(46:54):
about Deshaun Watson when they beat Jalen Hurtson beat Alabama
in the championship that Pittsburgh that year. But Shaun Watson
was outrageously great day year you didn't even win. Didn't
win the Heisman obviously, yeah, but was phenomenal, but arguably
would have won the Heisman if we had waited until
after the season to actually award the Heisman Trophy, which

(47:17):
is what I've always said, Like, let's like Joe Burrow,
would I mean, I don't even think there would be
another vote, right, Like, if if you wait until after
the season was over, it would be unanimous. Every single
person who has a Heisman Trophy vote and didn't vote
Joe Burrow as the Heisman Trophy winner would deserve to
have their Heisman Trophy pulled away. And you're right, I'm
looking at Heisman trophies and trying to use that as

(47:37):
a as a rough approximation for the best player. But
some years they get it wrong. And you know what,
I'm gonna go back and revise it, revise my issue,
revise my list because I do think v Y and
Deshaun Watson need to be in there. So let me
recalibrate my list right now, all right, live on the radio.
List making here greatest single seasons in college football history.

(48:00):
Joe Burrow one, Cam Newton too. I'm still gonna you
know what I'm gonna put. I'm still gonna go with
Jamis Winston three. This is getting tough, but I'm gonna
go with v Y. I mean, just because of what
he did for Texas, Vince Young. I'm gonna slot in
Vince Young fourth. I'm gonna go with Deshaun Watson fifth,

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and then I'm gonna go Tebow six and Matt Weiner
at seven. I don't have too many qualms with that.
I think a larger question that we can have is
could you take the word quarterback out of the discussion?
And Joe Burrow is still in the argument, Well, the
best single It's a good question because I think the
best single season that any non quarterback has ever had.

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And you may be able to pull up this data,
we need to break it down. I bet we're gonna
to come to the same it's Barry Sanders. I think
in eight rushing yards, thirty seven rushing touchdowns, fifteen special
teams yards and to return touch downs and human of course,
so I think you could have it. Maybe we debate
that at the end of the hour, Uh is was

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it better for Barry? Because you could be right, we
could be to that point where I don't what was
that Oklahoma States team's records. I'm not that that's what
I'm unaware of. Like, if you wanna apply this to
the highest level and the pressure that he was under
and and and the opponents that he faced, I honestly

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I know how great Barry Sanders is I and I
don't want to be prisoner of the moment here. I
tweeted out before the end of the National Championship game
last night, Clay, I think that's the best single season
I've ever seen from a college football player, not just
a quarterback. And I know that covers a lot of ground.
They lost two games that year. Um they played in

(49:48):
the Holiday Bowl against wy And I'm not an expert
on football, I think, although I do think Notre Dame
won the title, Sorry Notre Dame fans, I think that
was the last title Notre Dame one. I think that
was Lou Holtz eight eight last Notre Dame national championship. Uh.
But and somebody can look that up to confirm it.
But I've got Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, and Clemson

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that I know we're really good, and that the AP
decided this year our top eight teams, and Joe Burrow
beat all six of those teams. Right, So I think
you can make an argument that his statistics are so
otherworldly that they're comparable. Now here's the problem. Who Who's

(50:31):
got the second most rushing yards in n C double
A history? Uh? That I I think I'm probably gonna
go Barry Sanders, just because I don't think anybody else
has ever come remotely close to that. Uh. I think
it might be Tony Dorset, who had fifty yards for Pittsburgh.
There've been relatively few guys who ever had two thousand,

(50:52):
Right Rashaan Salam, I feel like did two thousand? Well,
you know what, I think it's Melvin Gordon. Actually I'm
taking Joe Burrow. I'm sorry. And I love Barry Enders
and he had four games where he was over three
yards rushing. But I saw what Joe Burrow did against
that competition. I'm taking that guy bold. When we come back,
spegin of Bold, We'll have Charles Davis and we'll dive

(51:12):
back into this question. You can also breach out to
us on Twitter. Let's know what you think. I'm at
Clay Travis, He's at Ja mart Zone. Am I right
about that? Uh? You can let us know what you
think about that, because some people are going to consider
that to be basically a pox on your house, Ja Marks,
who have even suggested that somebody might be better than
Barry Sanders at college football. When we come back, Charles Davis,

(51:36):
this is outkicked the coverage with Clay Travis. He joins
us every single Tuesday. He is Charles Davis Voice of Madden.
He comes and he knocks it out on Fox with NFL.
We got some NFL questions. We'll get to him, but first, Charles,
you've watched college football your whole life, like a lot

(51:57):
of us who are listening right now, like I have.
I don't believe we've ever seen a quarterback better than
Joe Burrow. Just completed this season fift and oh and
oh geron now national championship winning coach, the entirety of
and the enormity of what l s you just did
last night in New Orleans? Have you ever see anything

(52:18):
like it from Joe Burrow as a quarterback? Can the
Bengals even mess him up? That's a great question. Yeah,
And look, bottom line is this as much as I
absolutely and I'll just lay it on the line, and
I think you'll know rom coming from. I despise having
to say, well, this guy is the greatest system that

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and one season's worth. You know, it looks he's been
a two year starter there, so let's not let's not
get it wrong, but this one season makes him the great.
But when you sit and analyze it, because it's funny
because a friend of ours and I let him go
name us, but you would know him in the business class,
he texted me a similar question about a week ago.

(53:01):
Is this the best single season that a guy has
had playing quarterback in college football? I was like, darn it,
don't ask me those kinds of things. But yes, but
the answer is yes, and there's and there's no way
you can I don't think there's any way you can
say otherwise, because look, we've lived through a lot of
great quarterbacks. A lot of great play, a lot of
great college football moments, a lot of great college football careers,

(53:21):
but what he has done has been so off the
charts because usually there's at least one average game, one conquer,
one struggle. Well, what path for struggle tonight with him
down seven geen to seven, and he still ends up
doing what five touchdown passes, makes great plays with his feet,
absorbs that big kid comes back from that. Yes, in

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a long winded way, the answers, yes, the greatest single
season a quarterback has ever had in college football. I
would go, yes, thirty one four hundred and sixty three yards,
passing five touchdowns and he also, oh, by the way,
ran fourteen times for fifty eight yards and another touchdown.
Six touchdowns Charles. This year he accounted for throwing and

(54:08):
rushing sixty five touchdowns. I mean that you. You are
the voice of Madden. If I if one of my
sons tells me that they have a quarterback who's done
that in their Madden game, I tell them they need
to up the difficulty level because they're not challenging themselves enough.
And they beat seven teams ranked in the top ten.

(54:29):
If I heard that correctly at night at the time
that they played them. Then if you go back and
take Georgia and the SEC championship game, Oklahoma in the
Semis finals, that taking on obviously UM Clemson in the
National championship game, that's three straight top five teams that
they've beaten at the time that they played down. This
is this is this is clearly one of the greatest

(54:52):
runs in one of the greatest seasons in college football history.
And I'm right back to, oh god, I'm making that
snap judgment again, But I don't know how again you
can argue otherwise. And I'll give you one quick thing.
Years ago, when the BCS existed, I did a BCS
National championship game with an Oklahoma team that came in
after over fifty points per game. They were after fifty
point four or something like that, and Florida shut them

(55:14):
down in the national title game beat the seven team.
This team came in averaging l s U point something
per game and went ahead and decimated a very good
Clumpson team. All Right, I know the a SEC was
quote unquote down this year. Clumson wasn't. That is a
really good team that after the early you know, fight

(55:35):
that they had clearly after the first score of the
second half, LSU absolutely reduced it to rubble. I mean,
they were dominant in the second half. Wow, that is
one heck of a good football team. Six hundred and
twenty eight yards of offense, and this was a one
of the best defenses in the NFL's to I mean,
in the college football statistically. Now you pointed it out.

(55:56):
The A C C as a group was not particularly sound,
but they handled South Carolina pretty easily. They handled uh,
they handled Texas A and M pretty easily, and everybody
that they played in the A C C and l
s U just kind of toyed with him. And they
came back from a seventeen to seven deficit, I mean
after and my math is always a little bit difficult,
but I believe after spotting them a seventeen to seven lead,

(56:21):
l s U outscored Clemson from that point for thirty
five to eight. So, uh, you know, I mean, that
is a heck of a run to put on somebody. Uh,
to come back from a seventeen to seven deficit and
to finish it the way they did, um is uh,
you know, just kind of running away with it. Now,
Trevor Lawrence we all know is really good. We talked
about how good Joe Burrow is. You spend a lot

(56:43):
of time analyzing and breaking down guys for the next level.
Did you see anything? Is it just L. S U
being that good? I mean, he was high on a
lot of throws. I believe that Clemson went one for
ten or one for eleven or something like that. On
on third downs they couldn't extend draws. A lot of
those were long third downs because L. S U put
them into third and long a lot. But you know,

(57:05):
let's be honest, Joe Burrow is a third down and
long eracer. The best quarterbacks in the NFL and college
are and Trevor Lawrence at least four tonight was not
that No, and L. S Shoe secondary more than up
for the challenge because what they were playing against with
Clemson one of the best receiving cors in the country.
Not the best though, because L s who has the

(57:27):
best receiving corps in the country, and Alabama would have
one that would rank up there as well, but still
a Te Higgins and the rest of that crew of
he got dinged up a little bit, wasn't able to
be on the bottom line was every time you looked
up in those third down situations, whether they were long, short,
long distance or not, you had a white jersey affixed

(57:49):
to orange jersey's downfield. That made it very difficult for
Trevor Lawrence to find anyone that sit balls in and
as the game went on, it became increasingly difficult and
his accuracy really went and went went south on It's
something you don't see very often from Trevor Lawrence. Look,
he'll be back, He'll be the guy we're talking about
next year at the top of the draft board as

(58:10):
we head into the season, and rightly so. But to
but in this ball game at the Superdome on National
Championship Night, the best quarterback on the field was the
guy who won the Heisman Trophy. That was Joe Burrow.
And I said it going into the game, Clay, bottom
line with him, you almost want him to throw on
time and in rhythm because when he when he creates

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extra time and breaks out of there, don't big plays
usually end up as a result for l s U.
And we saw that time and time again in that
game against Clumps and Joe Burrows movement skills, keeping eyes
down fields and his receivers knowing this and staying alive
for him to create those plays. It was lethal. We're
talking to Charles Davis at CFD twenty two. You can

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find him on Twitter. There, you can listen to him
as the voice of Madden. You can hear him on
this show very frequently as we've takedown NFL Action, and
you can always watch him on the NFL on Fox
calling games as big and as impressive as Joe Burrow was.
How about the Edo Geron story, Charles, You've got a
guy who grew up in Louisiana, who is born and

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bred as much of a L. S U Tiger as
anybody could be in any kind of way connected to
their alma mater from a college perspective with coach oh
and for him to lead L. S U to a
championship and do it, I'm gonna be honest with you
after USC basically said this guy is a little bit

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too to redneck, let's be honest to cajun to not
uh not l a for the Hollywood Trojans and for him,
and I didn't believe it. I didn't believe that he
could win like this because of what happened to him
at Old Miss. What does this say about coaching second
chances in general? Because for him, this is a dream
come true. This is a Hollywood fairy tale ending for him. Him,

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But how many other coaches out there looking around saying, see,
I could do this too, if I got the right opportunity.
Because clearly at Old Miss he was a disaster, but
he learned from that disaster. He had some success at
usc usc never has approached what the what what l
s you was doing this year? And it seems like
he's really got things rolling now. Maybe it'll be a
step back, Maybe Joe Burrows just that good and l

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s US just a top ten caliber team and they'll
come back down to earth next year. But they're recruiting
like crazy, and it seems like he is the perfect
fit for this program. Oh, I think at this stage
now we we know for sure he is the perfect fit. Look,
if you took the Old Miss thing out, he's central
casting for l s U. Right, all the things you said,
born and bred, and the way he speaks, you know,

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how how much he embraces the state, the go Tigers.
Everything is perfectly there. But then you say, but yes,
but Kenny chose because old Miss didn't work very well.
I know he was. He was good at USC in
the short term. It six it two, but they didn't
keep him. And that was Pat Hayden who didn't keep him,
who was one of the smartest guys I've ever met
in the business, even though it didn't end well for
him and his tenure at USC as an athletic director.

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But as you said, probably didn't fit the mold of
what they were looking for. But the one thing that
he's always been able to do his recruit It didn't
matter where he was in the country, did it, Clay,
didn't matter whether he's on the West coast, where he's
on the East coast. He recruits talent. And l s
U was doing that again under his tutelage getting Joe Burrow. Look,
that was almost a master stroke. And and to this

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day and look down the road we're going, someone's gonna
write a book and say, you know how State had
essentially two first round picks in their in their in
their meeting room. One was picked through fifty touchdown pass,
the other one to LSU won a Heisman and became
the number one picked the NFL draft that's off. That's
off the charts. Normally, you pick a guy and you go, oh,

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why did they pick that guy? The other guy won
the Heisman somewhere else now. The other guy, Dwayne Haskins,
was the player of the year, a big ten. It
took of touchdown passes, so it wasn't a mistake. If
it's a Joe Burrows time and place, what's elsewhere and
ed Orgerron. I think this will continue where they will
be a major factor in the SEC West because he

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fit the l s U l U F tim and
these kids are gonna want to go play for him.
He's always been able to recruit. All Right, You are
an NFL analyst as well as being a big college
football guy, and we just happen to be talking to
you the morning after the big college football game. So
I want to get quick thoughts from you here on
the a f C in the NFC Championship game. In
addition to doing all that you do calling a game

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of the week for the NFL on Fox, you were
also calling Tennessee Titan preseason games. Titans get a unbelievable
win on the road against the Ravens, second huge back
to back road win. They now are going on the
road against the Chiefs. How do you break down that
game for the Titans and what did you think of

(01:02:54):
their performance against Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh and the Baltimore Ravens.
I'll start with the second part of it. It was scintilating,
just as it was in New England, but this one
maybe even more so because a lot of times clays.
You know, once you surprise someone, the second one test
is a lot tougher. Now you've got everyone's attention, I go, okay,
we won't be surprised by this. I thought that the

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ability of Derrick Henry to continue to eat carries, and
and and and really lay it on defenses, and that
offensive line giving him great access to the secondary before
he pounds people. That's obviously one big, big key to success.
The second part I thought was their defense. They had
a game plan that was ready for Lamar Jackson. But
Mike Rabel, head coach, dnps the coordinator. I don't want

(01:03:40):
to act like I'm not giving them credit plan. I
hope you understand where I'm coming from. But their defensive
game plan wasn't something that was so exotic that no
one else has tried it. It's just that they executed
it better than anyone else. They had the discipline to
actually play option football, read their keys, take care of
their assignments, and it get difficult. Did Lamar Jackson get yards, Yes,

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but I thought Dan Fouts on the TV broadcast pointed
out perfectly. He's getting yards, but he's not gashing them,
and that was huge for the Tennessee Titans. I think
they played great and yeah, there's the blueprint, how many
people are going to actually execute it that team did
so I think that this team is playing with supreme
confidence and play. You know this Titans team as well

(01:04:23):
as I do. This is what they This was their
vision of what they would be when the season began,
but they couldn't get there until they got Mariota right.
Didn't happen to tan Hill took over, the offensive line,
had to call less together, Taylor the wand had to
come back, etcetera. Arthur Smith to play caller, had to
get it right, and Derrick Henry had to get healthy
because he wasn't healthy in the preseason. He's more than

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healthy now and he doesn't mind carrying the ball thirty
times a game. You ever seen anything like what Derrick
Henry is doing right now. I mean, we talked about
we talked about Joe Parcogaro, and I know you said,
I hate having to be like prisoner at the moment,
but it's not prisoner at the moment to say, no
one has ever for one A plus in three straight
games in the history of the NFL. And I think,
as Mike Vrabel said, when you hear the phrase in

(01:05:06):
the history of the NFL and it's a positive, it
probably means something pretty good. Yeah. I think Mike's onto
something there. And look, I was asked about this a
couple of days ago after Derrick Henry's big, big, big
game in in Baltimore, and someone said, are we seeing
something that's just unprecedented? And I said, no, We're not
seeing something unprecedented. In what they meant was, is Derrick

(01:05:28):
Henry an unprecedented type back, I think, no, we've seen
Derrick Henry before. You ever heard Earl Campbell the same franchise? Yeah, Okay,
that's just one example. But your point is well taken.
And what I said was, but this run he's on
is unprecedented and historic and we should be celebrating it
because everyone knows he's coming, and he's still delivering one
a D plus go back to about eight games in

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the season, Clay, he's after like a hundred sixty yards
the game over his last eight. That's ridiculous territory. I
can't wait to see how this thing continues to turn
out in an FC title game. We're talking to Charles Davis.
All right, so we've got Titans, we got Chiefs. What
happens in the NFC. You've got the two best teams
in the NFC. Not a particular surprise at least based
on seating Packers outlast the Seahawks and the forty Niners

(01:06:14):
just defensively totally stifled everything the Vikings were trying to do.
Who's the favorite there? Who do you think wins between
the forty Niners and the Seahawks out in San Francisco?
I think San Francisco. Beating Seattle in that last game
of the regular season and getting that open week was
absolutely huge for them mentally and physically, and they showed
up against Minnesota. They finally got a chance to breathe

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after a difficult stretch to finish and got a chance
to heal as well. Here's here's the way I see it,
San Francisco to me is the favorite in this game.
Green Bay loves to play with five and six defensive
backs against a team that ran at forty seven times
and lugends Minnesota, that's a difficult territory. Kenny Clark in
the middle, can he hold all that down? Tyler Lancaster,

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a lot of smaller guys on the field with those
running backs coming down that big offensive line, that's a
that's a tough task for Mike Penton's defense for Green Bay.
And flipped over to the other side. Can they run
it well enough with Aaron Jones Jamal Williams to keep
it the third manageable so they can't just tee off
on Aaron Rodgers. Remember they have five sacks in that
Sunday night game, and then he threw for a hundred

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and four yards I repeat one four and he had
to get those hundred He had to get over a
hundred mark late in the ballgame. I don't see it
going quite like that. Class and Green Bay have be
more competitive, but it's difficult for me to see how
they're going to beat them, especially on with their defense
on the field as well as green Bay has played
San Francisco will run the football if you continue to

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have that light box out there. Uh, good stuff. As
always from Charles Davis at cf D twenty two. We
will talk to you maybe next week. Maybe the Titans
will be in the Super Bowl. Who knows, Uh could
be a heck of a conversation, or the Chiefs will
be there and Patrick Mahomes will be going for his
first We know that for sure coming out of the
a f C. Appreciate your time, my man. I hope
you enjoyed the last night's game and thanks for coming

(01:08:02):
on with us. I certainly did a heck of a
college football season. Two undefeated matching up and one actually
proving to be dominant. What a year for LSU. Congratulations
Amen for sure. That's Charles Davis at CFD twenty two.
Go follow him on Twitter, make sure you don't miss it.
Thank him for coming on this morning. This is outkicked
the coverage with Clay Travis all night long, Jason Martin

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noise echoing all over the streets of New Orleans as
the l s U Tigers fan base was celebrating an
improbable championship that they enjoyed all the more so because
of how improbable it actually was forty to one odds
to win a championship entering this season, two hundred to

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one for Joe Burrow to win the Heisman Trophy fifteen
and oh, and you have made the argument potentially the
greatest season in the history of college football. And again
some people always get blown up all the time you
say history college fool. I don't know, and neither to
you unless you're like ninety years old. What was exactly

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was going on in the fifties and the forties and
all the sixties and trying to wage and compare everybody.
I feel like now the players are the best they've
ever been. And so when I say like the modern era,
I mean essentially the last you know, thirty or forty
years of college football. I think that's a good window,
almost two generations, going back to the to the seventies.

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I think that's fair to try to compare players. There's
nobody at quarterback who's been better than Joe Burrow. I
think you agree with me. The vast majority of people
out there agree You've taken it to the next level
and said not only do I think Joe Burrow is
the best quarterback, I think he might be the greatest
player in college football history with the stats that he
put up this year. I mean, I agree. I mean

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that's I sticking to it too. I'm not saying he's
better than Barry Sanders. Look he looks like j D.
McCoy who tried to take Matt Saracen's job on Friday
Night Lights, great television program. That's that is what Joe
Burrow looks like. He looks like the evil quarterback that's
going to take your son's job. But he was so great,
and I know what Barry Sanders did, and he's the

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only other one that that I look at and say
that you can actually put in this classification. There's been
a number of great We talked about Cam and I
think you're dead right about Cam Newton. And then I
looked at another list. I found a list on Sporting
News of their list of top you know whatever, and
they have Sanders one, and they have Burrow two, and
then they have Cam three and Dick butt Kiss four.
So here we go back to the nineteen sixties. No
idea how good Dick Buckets was, but I think he's

(01:10:41):
probably pretty good. But it's hard for me to assess
he was good in My Two Dads as on NBC.
But I just look at fifty six seventy one passing yards,
sixty passing touchdowns, three sixty nine rushing yards, five rushing touchdowns.
Broke Brennan's touchdown numbers, and he played at Hawaii. It
wasn't exactly the same count that, and he broke Colt McCoy's.

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And you heard Joel Klatt say, look, I played. I know, uh,
Cole Brennan. You know he's a good dude, but you
can't compare the numbers that he put up in at
Hawaii with anybody else. And if I remember correctly, didn't
Hawaii just get boat raced by jo and his Sugar
Bowl Back in the day, they also had like quarterbacks
that did something similar to that several times when they

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had like Tim Chang. I had a couple of guys
in a row where you just couldn't stop them on
Saturday night at one am. Oh, that's the that's the
catch up with your gambling bets game, where everybody's been
like taking them on the chin all day and then
you're like, all right, I'm gonna get back even I'm
gonna get back in that Hawaii. That's why the Hawaii
game exists is for late night gamblers or also insomniacs,

(01:11:46):
also drunk people who passed out. Wake up, and then
they're like, oh, television still on against here's, here's, here's
this is the answer right here against a combined seven
top ten opponents in touchdowns, two interceptions for Joe Burrow,
what else again? I mean, I think it speaks to
how good he is. That what I would say is

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that Barry Sanders season is like the uh, you know
Babe Ruth in nineteen twenty seven season, right was at
the sixty nineteen twenty seven the year the Babe Ruth
at the sixty home right, I don't know I was watching,
but I can't remember when year was. I think it was.
I think it was twenty seven. And then Marrison, you know,
caught up with him and and beat the sixty record,

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but they put the asterisk on it, and then I'm
not even gonna get into the ridiculousness of of McGuire
and Sosa and the way that with the kind of
everything changed with the numbers in baseball then. But the
Babe Ruth sixty was ken to the Barry Sanders number,
and that the guy who came in second had like
eighteen home runs. Right, it wasn't just the babe Ruth

(01:12:51):
had sixty, It was that he had like forty more
than everybody else. He was playing a different style and
at the time and eight Barry Sanders was playing a
different in style. And we'll have to see whether or
not in the years ahead, we're gonna be looking back
at Joe burrow in and saying that guy was playing
at a different speed than everybody else too. All right,

(01:13:11):
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into l s U the big win for Coach O
and Joe Burrow Plus, we're gonna be joined by Petros Papadegus,
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And you saw last night Petros First of all, thanks
for getting up early with us, a guy you know
pretty well. I want to start with this angle for you.

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When did you first meet at Ogeron? Well, and he
was hired by Paul Hackett after getting involved and some
bad stuff at Miami. He was kind of being reclaimed
into big time coaching by Paul Hackett to be the

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D line coach at USC. So he was on the
coaching staff for three years. When I played at USC,
SO I knew Ed intimately as a coach and competed
against him, you know, every spring and every camp and
every Tuesday and Wednesday, and he was every bit of
the competitor he is today. He's obviously evolved. And I

(01:14:41):
got to say, Clay, I couldn't watch this game, you
know without rooting really hard for l s U. I.
I have a lot of respect for Clemson's program and
all that, but it was really fun to see Ed
kind of reached this pinnacle. And for those of us
in l A, it really felt like a guyant extended

(01:15:01):
middle finger to USC and Pat Hayden for not hiring
Head in the first place. Can I ask you a
couple of questions, how high up is your hotel? Room.
It was on floor, so I could have your good partying.
I could hear people partying though, even on the floor
with all the you know, first of all, it's impossible

(01:15:21):
to drive around anywhere in like New Orleans after this
party got started, and I can hear people all night
long hawking, even up at the floor of my hotel.
Now it helped that I was way up high in
the sky. I can't even imagine if I had a
low level room. And if you were in the French
Quarter tonight, I mean, the French Quarter is always wild, right,
this was wild, even for French Quarter wild. Well, Sunday

(01:15:43):
night is a night off in New Orleans. New Orleans
is a weird culture where everybody kind of does the
same thing on different days of the week. Uh, And
they have kind of odd Southern traditions, as you know.
But Monday is the day that you know, perennial, that
people do their laundry and that's when they eat the
red beams and rice. Uh. And then that's Monday and

(01:16:07):
nobody drinks. Uh. This is different. I think there's a
lot of people waking up this morning that said, usually
we don't drink a lot on Monday. I think there
are people all over Louisiana listening to us right now
who who definitely had their fair share of celebrating going on.
So I want to go back to the coach. Oh uh,

(01:16:28):
would you have ever believe back this guy is going
to be a head coach one day? Oh yeah, you
could see. Well he was wild though, you know he
was wild. We used to fight, you know, uh, I
mean we used to compete like like crazy, and he
was a wild man. You know, he would will that
defense and he recruited his ass off and he would

(01:16:50):
you know, create great defensive lines. You know what. The
players loved him. Well, he pushed the hell out of him.
You know, the defensive line wasn't really ill by how
hard he pushed him. He pushed him like a freaking
task master. I mean he was animal and he intimidated
the crap out of him. I mean, I mean, he's
he's evolved as a coach, but I would have thought

(01:17:13):
that he could become a head coach, especially after I
mean somebody just sent me on Twitter an article about
me way back when we had that that show on Fox,
the Saturday Morning Show, about me saying, you know that
they need to hire at O Giron because you know,
he's proven himself, you know, in a month and a

(01:17:33):
half and turned a really negative situation at USC into
a positive one, you know, after the Steve Sarkissian embarrassment
and all that stuff, and you know, or the Lane
Kiffin embarrassment. Uh and and there was absolutely right back then.
You know, the guy was always going to be able
to recruit, and he was always going to be able
to develop fronts. Now what they founded l s U,

(01:17:55):
you know, which I'm sure many of your smarter guests
are telling you, you know, with Brady passing game coordinator
and Joe Burrow and I was really impressed with him
last night and his feet and his ability to be
accurate and take hits, and what a great leader and
just overall is a team. I mean, they were wildly

(01:18:15):
talented and and and overwhelmed everybody. There was one really
eerie thing about it to me, Clay. And you know,
I don't know how familiar you were with the Pete
Carroll era at USC, especially when they were really dominant,
like that two thousand four year when they beat Jason
White's Oklahoma team. Remember, Oh yeah, And that was what

(01:18:36):
Nicholas was going crazy in the in the press box
during Newlyweds they were filming it and didn't did your
dad get didn't your dad getting like to an argument
with the Sooner schooner. People think he punched a guy
in the tunnel. Uh, But I mean that this is

(01:18:57):
a lot like that. You know, this this this, uh,
this l s U team this year. I mean they
got on the field with really good teams and beat
the living tar out of them, like Oklahoma, like Alabama,
and like Clemson. I mean beat their ass at the
end of the game. You know, they're running the ball

(01:19:17):
and running over people and taking a knee so they
don't score fifty. I mean that is pretty impressive. And
we had d O Geron on the show last week.
You know, he always calls in whenever he has time.
He always wants to talk to people in Los Angeles
through the show. I mean he's been very consistent about
that for years. And uh, and I asked him about that,

(01:19:40):
you know, if it does kind of feel like, you know,
when you were with Pete, you know, when you guys
really had it going, and he said, that's how we've
modeled everything, uh, in our entire program. And it is
kind of interesting because their planning obviously at a very
high level, and they're planning teams that are a very
high level, but they're that much edder and it makes

(01:20:01):
you wonder about, you know, who's their next quarterbacks going
to be, and if and if he can keep it going,
you know, and get like like a thirty game win
Street kind of thing going, which would be unbelievable. So
it is, uh, I think bitter sweet because a lot
of people liked at osor on a great deal in
l A. Do you think that this role that he's

(01:20:23):
got l s you on could have been USC? Oh?
Without question. I mean, but USC could have hired a
lot of different people that weren't the people they hired.
You know, they could have given a lot of different
men the keys to the football program and been in
a better position than they are right now. You know,

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Ed was just the one that was was right in
front of their face. You know, they had him as
an interim head coach and he was sitting right there
and you didn't have to pay him a whole bunch
of money, and you could see what he could do
with the program at a time where they were still
kind of reeling from sanctions. You knew Ed was going
to recruit and made me fine up front. You know.

(01:21:06):
The knock on Ed, as you know from your sec stuff,
is that he had a hard time finding somebody on
offense to call the plays and and kind of run
the offense for him. And that was the problem at
Old Miss. But uh, they've and that was always the
issue with Les Miles right at l s U, uh

(01:21:30):
to a certain degree. But Ed has found a way
around that and l s U is the premier program
right now in college football. It's pretty amazing. How good
is Joe Burrow? Like? So, I I made the argument
to start, I don't know. I made the argument that
he's got this year is the single greatest year for
a quarterback ever standing alone one year, right, I mean,

(01:21:52):
not a career, not a you know, entire time. I'm
not saying he's Tebow. I'm not saying that he's you know,
somebody who Matt Weiner, who had multiple years where he
was dominant, the team won high levels, all those things, right,
But for a single year standing alone, I don't know
that we've ever seen. And the only other guy that
I could compare him to is Cam Newton because Cam

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Newton kind of came out of nowhere went fourteen and oh.
They won a championship with him and now Joe Burrow
fifteen and oh sixty five total touchdowns that he's responsible
for either passing or running. Six total yards of offense.
They put up four sixty three petros against the defense

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that supposedly was the best in the entirety of college football.
I mean, I don't know what more he could do.
I think this is the best year I've ever seen,
single year for a quarterback. You can argue that no doubt,
you know, and you talk about Liner, Now, I saw
that stuff up front, and you know, him and Burrow
had one thing in common. You know, they were really

(01:22:56):
really well coached, and they had a lot of weapons,
and they could distribute the ball and get it out
really fast. It's a different time, uh, in football, and
they're much more spread out than USC was back in
those days. And Ed was on the radio show talking about,
you know, his beliefs about the spread and how you

(01:23:19):
can still remain physical and and LSU has proven that
in Ohio State and Oklahoma. You know, they're all spread
teams and then they're all very physical. They've they've all
proven that over the years, which is a different thing. Uh.
Then the air rate, Uh what how good is he?
I could not believe how good his feet were, you know,

(01:23:42):
just watching him in the last couple of games, and
just the kind of four wheel drive nature of his
feet in the pocket while he looks down field, you know,
forward backward, and and he can talk and go and
and be very physical and he's obviously really will full.
They say that his arm is not the same arm

(01:24:03):
as you know, a super talented guy. But I know
some of those longer throws were to the short side.
But I mean the ball looks like it comes out
pretty pretty well to me. You know, Tom Brady and Liner,
you know, which are a great college quarterback and one
of the great pro quarterbacks. Ever. Neither of those guys

(01:24:24):
were known for their arms strength, you know, and then
neither was Joe Montana. Uh. But to me, I mean,
you could put this up there with and the stats
are different than they used to be. And the game
has changed, you know. I mean the game was different
when Leiner played. It was different when when I played,
uh you know, maybe five six years before that, and

(01:24:45):
it's really different, you know, fifteen years later, Uh So,
the stats are always kind of a little jello like,
you know, to sit there and say it's the best ever.
But watching the kid and looking at the way he
kind of willed himself through the season and all the
teams that they beat, Um, we're obviously prisoners at the moment,

(01:25:06):
but it's you can't argue with with with what they've accomplished,
you know, undefeated Heisman Trophy, all the games they wont
beat in Texas, you know, going to storied places like
Tuscaloosa and winning football games. I mean, you've got to
crown him. Yeah. You look at the teams that he
beat Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, Oklahoma, and Clemson, and they

(01:25:30):
beat the crap out of those teams, a lot of them,
they did. Yes, that's six teams that I think it's
fair to say are either top ten or top twelve. Right,
if you really want to quibble, Oh, Auburn lost in Minnesota,
All right, there the thirteenth best team instead of top ten. Right, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, Florida, Oklahoma,
and Clemson arguably six of the ten best teams in

(01:25:52):
the country. And like you said, they tended to beat
a lot of those teams pretty soundly. And then that
doesn't even count Texas, who they obviously went on the
road before Texas had really fallen off. I mean, Texas
put a lot into that game, and they went into
Austin at night, which is not a very common occurrence,
right to have a top ten Texas team, you're playing
at night on the road, and they hung forty plus

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on them too. So I mean you look at the
fifteen wins, it's not like they tiptoed up. I mean, Clemson,
you could argue, Okay, Clemson's got a great win over
Ohio State, what was their second best win all year, Virginia, Texas,
A and M right. I mean you could make an order. No,
Clemson's time to shine was going to be the College
Football Playoffs, you know, if they could win it. But L.

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S U's body of work is as impressive as anything
we've seen, and it was a great year of college football.
I mean, there are going to be people that will
argue that it would have been a better game if
Ohio State had made it, But you know, I don't
see how you can do that without sounding super flimsy.
I think it's pretty clear who the best team in
college football was this year. I don't really feel like

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Ohio State would have been able to match up with
Joe Burrow either. Now, Ohio State fans might be out
there arguing differently, but L s U handled Clemson a
lot better than even Ohio State did. If Ohio State
had won the game, right, you could argue that Ohio
State might have been a little bit better, But L

(01:27:20):
s U could have won this game pretty easily by
twenty four points. Ohio State was never really in a
position in the second half to ever be able to
win by that, so I think it might have been closer.
It might have been a ten point game instead. And
who knows, you know, like crazy things could happen LS.
You didn't turn the ball over. Maybe they have two
or three tip ball interceptions that can change the outcome.

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But I don't think anybody who watched this game could
have watched it and said, oh Clemson is just about
as good as L s U. I think L s
U is the unquestioned national champion, and I'm not sure
there's a close second team. But can you imagine if
Joe Burrow put a fifty burger on Ohio State that
had him on their rash her and that wouldn't be

(01:28:01):
just the middle finger of d O Geron towards Pat
Hayden and USC, but a huge middle finger from Joe
Burrow toward Ohio State. Yeah, I think you can argue
he would have been even more motivated and dialed in
to prove Ohio. He wouldn't have said it publicly, but
it would have been about much of a perfect storm,
you know, of reigning US. You know, it's just probably

(01:28:25):
best that it happened this way. It is best I
appreciate by the way you tweeting me last night, don't
go to the Crystal because the last time they played
a national title game down here between if I remember correctly, well,
the last time they played l S you did a
national title game. They lost to Alabama to finish the
two thousand eleven season, and Badger I was there. That's

(01:28:45):
what I was trying to tell you. The honey Badger
got beat, that Less Miles team got beat and gosh,
what was the Alabama running back that ran all over
that night? It wasn't Henry. It was the one, uh
between Ingram and Henry. Anyway, I think I was at
t J Yelton. I can't remember, I believe so. Anyway,

(01:29:08):
I was in the omni uh kind of between the
quarter and the Superdome, and we were my wife was pregnant.
She was on the trip with me. I was working
for Fox Sports dot Com. And there were so many
people in the streets, like no one. We could not sleep.
We were on the second floor. There were grown men,

(01:29:29):
like fifty year old men, you know, and nice clothes,
feel so drunk that they could not stand without leaning
on each other. I mean, just get out of the
way of the street sweeper at six in the morning, Clay,
because there's gonna be a lot of corpses, a lot
of Cajun corpses rolling along the gutter. I tell you this.

(01:29:51):
Like my wife was also with me at that game,
and we also had like our oldest son at the
time was whatever the math is, like three or four
years old maybe uh and uh, and I feel like
he was down here for some reason. And we left
the youngest son with my parents. And I told her
because yeah, we we went and like did a you know,
tour of like a swamp, you know, like and he

(01:30:12):
held an alligator and like all this cool stuff and uh,
and I told her that night, I said, hey, don't leave,
just order food in the room service. I was like,
it's like, it's like, you know, Arma getting out there
in the streets of New Orleans right now. It's like,
I don't even think it's safe for a woman with
a young kid to be out there. It's that crazy.
I was like, just order some some room service. You

(01:30:33):
can look outside the window and look at the chaos.
I'll be back late night after this game. But in
the meantime, you guys just chill and have a good time.
We literally I literally told my pregnant wife the same thing. Yeah,
you know, because it was a Monday, I had to
do the radio show, uh, and then run over to
do the to do some postgame stuff. And Uh, I

(01:30:55):
told her not to leave the house. And then let
next thing, you know, that guy put his ball sack
on that faith at the crystal. That's right, and he
went to jail for it. Yeah, it's sexual assault. Hey
is this? Uh? But back then, and I've been to
New I mean I was at the Marty Gras right
after the Saints won the Super Bowl, uh, and been

(01:31:16):
to a couple other Marty Grass and things like that.
So I've seen New Orleans when it's really going, and everybody,
to a man said that that L. S U Alabama
was the craziest they've ever seen the city. And I
can imagine that last night dwarfed that with L s
U winning it all because New Orleans is not at

(01:31:37):
two Lane Town. New Orleans is a L. S U.
To people don't realize that. Oh yeah, for sure, Hey
appreciate it. As always. We will talk to you next week.
Thanks for hanging out this man. Petro A M five
seventy l A Sports at the Old p on Twitter
to fe Indeed, that's Petros Papadas. This is outkicked the

(01:31:58):
coverage with clat Man. Welcome back, final segment of the program.
I mean, I hop a flight here shortly to get
back to Nashville, be back in time for lock it In,
which will be a fun lock it In show if

(01:32:18):
you've watched lock it In on FS one thirty Eastern,
five thirty three, thirty Central to thirty Mountain one thirty Pacific.
I'm gonna be in first place after nearly what is
it August, September, October, November, December. As we come into January,
six months of the television program. It's gonna make Todd
Ferman and cousin Seal and Rachel Bonnetta very nervous, particularly

(01:32:41):
because my Tennessee Titans are still alive to potentially go
to the Super Bowl as well. Uh, we haven't talked
by the way. I'll talk about this Sun tomorrow, but
we were so focused on on the uh the college
football national title game between L s U and Clemson
that I haven't really dove into and talked about at
all today in the program. The Houston Astros story, and
I understand it's a big baseball story. Will pivot around

(01:33:04):
on it again tomorrow, but I know my audience, you
guys want to talk about football when there's football games
to talk about, So we haven't even hardly addressed the
Houston Astros story. I do think it's a fascinating one,
and we will talk about it quite a bit on
Wednesday's program, so tomorrow if you want to hear kind
of a big picture take on everything surrounding the Astros.
But we've been all in on L s U winning

(01:33:26):
the national championship, on everything that did Joe Burrow season
can represent in leading into what it means for coach
oh Uh in particular, I think it suggests and you
said this really well, I thought in the open, Uh,
Jason Martin, you said, uh, the ability to deal with failure.
And this is kind of what my Wins and Lost

(01:33:47):
his podcast is about. In general, everybody's going to fail.
Joe Burrow failed as the starting quarterback at Ohio State,
a job he had dreamed of having his entire life,
and had to go down to the Bayou and remake
himself with teammates that he didn't know, with guys that
he had never spent any time with, and he remade

(01:34:08):
himself into maybe the greatest quarterback for a single season.
I believe pretty much we agree in the history of
the sport, one of the greatest single seasons in the
history of college football in general. Coach oh Humbled himself
said he cried a ton when USC wouldn't give him
the trojan job after he went six and two as

(01:34:31):
an interim set out for a year a raw pain
that he felt for not getting the opportunity to be
the head coach at USC. At Old Miss, he went
ten and twenty five as a head coach, three and
twenty one in the SEC. People like me. Clay Travis

(01:34:53):
didn't believe in him at all when he got the
l s U job. I said it was a bad higher.
There were other better coaches that L s U could
have brought in. I was a wrong coach. O gets
the final laugh because he and Joe Burrow both found
each other in l s U and created an incredible championship.

(01:35:17):
A guy at quarterback that the team of his dreams
didn't believe in, a guy at coach that the team
that had become the team of his dreams didn't believe in,
they end up together at l s U, and they
create a magical season, and it really is, Jason Martin
a testament to the undying belief that if you can

(01:35:42):
find an opportunity and if you believe in yourself, that
no loss, no matter how devastating it may be, is permanent.
Redemption is just another game away. And again, you are
not defined the worst moments of your life because they're

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not always and generally they're not ever going to be
the last moments of your life. When Virginia lost to U,
NBC Tony Bennett told his team, YEP, this is part
of our book. It's not something we're gonna erase or whitewash.
But it's not the end of our book. There's still
more of our story to tell. Joe Burrow there was
more of his story to tell after Ohio State at Ogeron,

(01:36:24):
there was more of his story to tell after USC
And you know what, fittingly, Jalen Hurts and the way
he handled himself at Alabama, That's not how he thought
that was gonna go. But he went to Oklahoma and
still ended up the runner up for the Heisman. This year,
the stories in college football this year about redemptive behavior

(01:36:45):
and not letting your worst moments define you. Where you
are today is not a reflection of where you're gonna
be a year from now. I think it's very inspirational
to look at what we saw last night as a
testament to the human spirit and a testament to the
fact that things are gonna change. Not everything's gonna be
rosy all the time, Clay, but there's always potential for
better times ahead if you believe in yourself. The only time, Clay,

(01:37:09):
that your failures are gonna define you is when you
allow them to. As long as you have air in
your lungs, you have an opportunity to change your definition,
to add to your story, to write the final chapter
or the next chapter in your book. Burrow or Iran
Jalen hurts so many examples of that. It's one of

(01:37:30):
the great things about sports. Amen appreciate all of you.
There's a lot of good times down here in New Orleans.
I'll be back in Nashville tomorrow, same bad time, same
bat channel. Congrats to l s U, to coach Oe,
and to Joe Burrow. They didn't let defeat define them forever,
and today they are waking up national champions. This has

(01:37:52):
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