Clay's Canoe

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for spending your time without Kick the Coverage and starting
off your day rolling with us. A couple of little
details that are I think potentially significant down the road. Uh.
First of all, yesterday you should have gone and downloaded
the podcast. We spent eight hunt of time talking about
Urban Meyer leaving Ohio State and what the overall impact

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of that decision is going to be. That news broke
right about seven forty five ish uh yesterday morning Eastern time,
so we unpacked that live on the radio yesterday. I
think it's pretty solid. Uh. The fallout from that decision continues.
Urban Meyer was asked whether or not he was going

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to consider this to be the end of his coaching career.
He kind of waffled either directions that he thinks it is.
Let me go ahead and tell you this right now,
It's not the end of urban Meyer's coaching career at
Ohio State. He's not going to ride off into the
sunset and never be heard from again at the age
of fifty four as a coach. I don't think anybody

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out there listening to me right now believes that. And
I don't know whether urban Meyer is delusional and he
deludes himself into believing things that everyone can see are
not truthful, And there could be some aspect of that
in his personality, because in order sometimes to be a

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successful coach, you have to be able to convince other
people of things that don't seem to be objectively true,
because it leads to them performing at a much higher
level than they otherwise could have. And what I mean
by that is the mind is so powerful that if
you can convince someone that they can do something, they

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often can do it. And and that's a really powerful thought,
especially in the world of sports, and the analogy I
always like to use to prove that is Roger Banister
was the first man to break a four minute mile.
People had been trying to break a four minute mile
throughout human history. As soon as Roger Banister did it,

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a bunch of other people immediately did it too, because
they knew that the human body was capable of it,
because their mind allowed them to go places that they
hadn't been before. So much of success in life is
first believing that success is possible, and I use urban
Meyer as an example of that because I think urban Meyer,

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like many coaches, is very good at delusion, convincing players
they are better than they are, convincing players that if
they buy in, they will have success. And I think
urban Meyer is also often deluding himself, which is why
he lies so incredibly often. He's a congenital liar because

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in many senses of the word, he's a con man.
He convinces himself of things that may not be true
in an effort to make them true. And so I
don't buy at all into the idea that urban Meyer
is done coaching at the age of fifty four. I
think he'll sit out a year. I think he'll feel healthier.

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I think he will realize, Wait a minute, what am
I gonna do with all of this time? His kids
are getting up and they're out of the house. By
and large, he's got this huge space of time to fill.
What's he gonna do? Be a special assistant at Ohio
State and really fil fulfilled by that. No, there's no way.

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By this time next year, urban Meyer will be the
number head, number one head coaching candidate in America and
there will be a lot of schools that are throwing eight,
nine or ten million dollars a year at him. And
he's gonna take a job. And I said yesterday that
I think he's gonna take the USC job. I think
that's where he's going to end up. So that is
a story to pay attention to over the next year.

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Number one coaching Canada, in America, it's urban Meyer. Every
time a decent sized job comes open, urban Meyer is
going to be rumored to take it, and eventually he
will and he'll come back to coaching. How will Ryan Day?
Do I have no idea, You have no idea. The
best case scenario, Lincoln Riley esk He'll come in like Oaklaw,
Alma's offensive coordinator did. He'll step right into that job

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and he'll be rolling and they'll be absolutely zero concerned
with how he's gonna do, and he'll take the program
to the next level and they'll be more consistency, and
the defensive side of the ball will get fixed. All
of that could potentially happen, or he can be in
over his head and we can see that urban Meyer
still mattered a great deal to the success of the

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Ohio State program. So we will have to We'll have
to see how that transpires as as that transition occurs,
and we'll also have to wait a year from now.
Put a pin in this conversation, we will be talking
about urban Meyer. I believe being a head coach at
a new football program USC is my prediction. I think
USC will come open. Even though news here USC hired

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Cliff Kingsbury as their new offensive coordinator. I think that's
as good of a higher as USC could have hoped
to make. We will see exactly how that goes with J. T.
Daniel and everything else that is put together there at SC.
Can Cliff Kingsbury make a substantial difference? Now Here's a

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larger context issue. You hired Clay Hilton to be the
guy who would handle the offensive side of the ball.
You've basically fired everybody else on this coaching staff. What
is Clay Hilton there for now? If Cliff Kingsbury is
going to come in and be the offensive guru and
you hired Clay Hilton because he was an offensive coach,

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isn't he completely a figurehead already? And the success or
failure of USC now pretty much squarely on Cliff Kingsbury.
Why is Clay Hilton still the head coach? Other than
the fact that you signed him to multiple bad contracts
and you're not able to get out of them. I
just don't get it. It doesn't make any sense to

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me in that context. On top of that, uh, we
have another pretty substantial news, I think, in the world
of college football, and that is that Kelly Bryant, the
transfer quarterback from Clemson, went on a tour visited schools
all over the country to try to decide where he

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wanted to finish his college football career, and last night
he announced that he would be going to Missouri. It's
a really big get for Missouri football coach Barry Odom.
The offensive coordinator there Derek Dooley, who a lot of
people have not paid attention to MISSOO was really pretty
good last year. Uh they went eight and four. They

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could have easily been tenant to if it doesn't start
to rain at South Carolina and they don't turn the
ball over like three times in about five minutes, they
end up losing on the final play of the game.
And they lost literally on the final play of the
game against Kentucky. If both of those losses don't happen,
Missouri's like the number five or six team in the
country sitting at ten and two and uh, and they're

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playing in a major, major bowl game. So I say
that for this reason there, he's gonna be pretty good
next year. Now with Kelly Bryant. They also got in
Arkansas grad transfer. There's a lot of reason for optimism
at at at Missouri based on how Barry Odom and
Derek Dooley are doing together. UM, and Derek Dooley is

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in the process if you remember him as the former
University of Tennessee coach of resuscitating his college coaching career,
because if he has back to back a really good
years as an offensive coordinator, he's still a relatively young guy.
He may get an opportunity to go coach somewhere else
again as well. So that is UH, that is worth
paying attention to. Those are stories that are hanging around

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out there. Yesterday because of the Urban Meyer news, we
did not get into top five bottom five in our
NFL rankings as we usually do on this show. So
we come back out of this next break, I will
give you the top five and the bottom five the
NFL according to out kick my rankings of the top
five in the bottom five teams in the NFL. We'll

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five in the bottom five in the NFL, so we
are the way through the NFL season. At this point

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in time, by and large, we have a pretty good
sense for who's good who's bad. It's unlikely there's gonna
be massive shifts in our overall impressions of the NFL season.
I'll get into the NFL playoff picture here shortly, but
let me first start with the top five teams in
the NFL. This is the list of excellence that is

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out there hanging right now, and I'll go in reverse order,
starting at number five. In the five spot, I've got
the New England Patriots. Now, the Patriots are going on
the road against the Miami Dolphins. They are one in
four both against the number and straight up in their
last five trips to Miami. So we'll see whether or

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not the Patriots, who are sitting right now at nine
and three, are able to continue their solid march towards
being able to grab overall a bye and maybe once
more overall the number one seed in the a f C. Again,
they are sitting at nine and three. This is a
little bit of a landmine game for the New England
Patriots as they go on the road against the Miami Dolphins.

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But I have got them firmly slotted in at number
five at the number four spot. It's may surprise a
few people, but what I saw from the Chargers in
the second half on UH Sunday night was so good
that I have got them solidly penciled in at the
number four spot. Also at nine and three. They're only

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two losses. Early in the year they lost to both UH.
I believe the Rams and the Chiefs if I'm not mistaken.
Early in the year the Chargers did and then they
lost on the last second field goal on the way
on the road in Mile High. Not any bad losses
on their resume, and that win over the Steelers, I
thought solidified them as a major factor in the NFL

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going forward. So I've got the Chargers peg Den at
nine and three in the three spot. I have got
the Kansas City Chiefs sitting pretty solidly at ten and two.
But I do wonder We've got an excellent matchup coming
up this weekend between the number one overall offense in
the NFL and that's the Kansas City Chiefs, and they
are going up against the number one overall defense in

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the NFL and that's the Baltimore Ravens. As Lamar Jackson
will get I believe, his fourth straight start. So what
is likely to happen there with the Chiefs the number
one offense going up against number one defense. Do the
Chiefs have the the ability to stay above the New
England Patriots, because remember they're only a half game up

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right now, because the Patriots have the tie break on
the Chiefs. So as we come down the final stretch,
that Thursday night game, so they play on Sunday against
the Ravens. That's a tough game. And then the final
Thursday night football game of the year, I believe not tomorrow,
but the week after, is the Chiefs going up against
the Chargers, who will be coming into town. Not only

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are the Chargers potentially going to the Chiefs in the
a f C West, but the Chiefs are under siege
as well as it pertains to the overall number one
seed in the a f C from the Patriots. So
we'll see how all of this plays out down the stretch.
But right now, I've got the Chiefs in my three spot.
In the two spots, I have got the Rams who
are also sitting at ten and two, and then I

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have the New Orleans Saints coming off that Thursday Night
football loss to the Dallas Cowboys. I still have them
at the number one overall team in the NFL because
to me, that thirteen to ten loss was a bad
look for the Saints, but also they gave basically their
D level game and they still had a really good

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chance to beat the Dallas Cowboys. Credit to the Dallas
Cowboy defense for how well they played in everything else.
But still the Saints, sitting at ten and two, I
believe are the best team in the NFL. So my
top five number one Saints, number two, Rams, number three Chiefs,
number four Chargers, number five, the New England Patriots. All right,
let's go to the list of sadness the weakness. These

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are the worst teams in the NFL. These are teams that,
in theory are already preparing for the NFL Draft and
who they might take at the top of the draft board.
And we'll start off in the spot with the Detroit Lions.
And let me say this, by the way, even the
list of awfulness, most of the teams that are bad

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in the NFL have started to uh to to pick
up their game such that the awfulness is not as
awful as it has been earlier. In the season, because
you look at the Detroit Lions and you're like, well, yeah,
they're not very good. You know, they're sitting at I
believe it's four and eight right now. But they beat
the New England Patriots. And they also were good enough

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just a couple of weeks ago to UH to beat
the Carolina Panthers, and but for a couple of late
interceptions on Thanksgiving, they very well may have beaten the
Chicago Airs. So the bottom part of the NFL is
actually not as bad as it as it has been
earlier in the year because they're starting to round into shape. Uh.

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In the twenty ninth spot, I've got the Cardinals, and
this also speaks to the fact that the Cardinals are
playing decent football right now. They're three and nine, yes,
but they just got Mike McCarthy fired. They just went
on the road in Green Bay and took down, uh,
the the Green Bay Packers and Aaron Rodgers. So I
have got the Arizona Cardinals at twenty nine in the

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thirty spot. In the thirty spot, I have got the
New York Jets. I believe that the Jets, sitting at
three and nine, played a predecent game against Tennessee Titans.
I watched them in person with Josh McCown, thirty nine
year old Josh McCown. Sam Donald has been out, but
the Jets have been decent. They weren't awful against the
New England Patriots the week before. I actually think they're

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gonna give the Buffalo Bills a a run for their money.
And I realized that I don't have the flow Bills
right now in the bottom five, and that's a sign
of maybe the Bills getting a little bit better. I
don't know, but it wouldn't shock me if the Jets
won that game. And then we go out to the
Bay Area, the saddest part of our nation's uh entire
football playing region. We have got the Oakland Raiders slotted

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in at thirty one UH sitting at two and ten,
and then the San Francisco forty Niners are sitting as
well at two and ten also, So all of those
teams the bottom five again, the Detroit Lions, the Arizona Cardinals,
the Jets, the Raiders, the forty Niners. Those are my
bottom five, my top five, the Saints, the Rams, the Chiefs,

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the Chargers, and the Patriots. That is top five bottom
five in the NFL so far, let me go ahead
and bring in Eddie Garcia. Then I want to dive
into the overall NFL playoff picture in general. Eddie Garcia,
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number twenty five Furman. Of course, the big news continues
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They did have a press conference where the fifty four
year old Meyer was asked about his coaching future. He said,
quote I believe I will not coach again and quote
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only hard part figuring out which way is easier Okay,
let's go into the playoff picture in the NFL. I
said earlier that they're of the season is in the
books and as you come down the stretch of the playoffs.
I was planning in the wake of Monday Night football
to spend some time breaking down the playoff picture with everybody,

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but we ended up having the Urban Meyer News break
while we were on the air live yesterday, so there
was so much discussion there that we didn't really dive
into the playoff picture. So I want to start in
the a f C. So, if you're an a f
C fan right now, Kan City Chiefs would be the
overall number one team in UH football. They are sitting
at ten and two overall. Now they don't have the

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tie break over the New England Patriots. If you remember
that game they went into Foxborough and lost that game.
Here's what the final four looks like for the Kansas
City Chiefs. If you're sitting out there and you're saying, Okay,
what are our odds of actually maintaining that home field? Now,
it's also worth noting the Kansas City Chiefs have not
won a home playoff game since Joe Montana was the

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quarterback the last time the Kansas City Chiefs won a
playoff game in Arrowhead, that is a long long time ago.
So what does the rest of the chief schedule look like. Uh,
They've got the Ravens, which I said before is a
battle of the number one defense against the number one
offense in the NFL. The Chiefs are around a touchdown
favorite in that game. We'll see what ends up happening

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with that one, but it's not an easy game. Then
the Chargers are coming to town on a Thursday night
football game. I believe that's the final Thursday night football
game aime of the year. That's about eight days from now,
a week from tomorrow, and that game may go a
long way towards deciding whether there's gonna be any race
at all in the a f C West. In fact,
that will decide because if the Chiefs win, they'll have

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beaten the Chargers twice. Chargers would drop back to UH
to UH four lost team, and the Chiefs would effectively
put their stranglehold on the division. If the Chiefs lost
that game, UH, then maybe things get a little bit
more interesting. Although the Chiefs have the better record in
the division, so they would have the tiebreak there UH.
Then the Chiefs go on the road against the Seahawks.

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They then finish at home against the Raiders. So if
you look at that, there are three losable games for
the Kansas City Chiefs down the stretch of their season.
They could certainly lose to the Ravens. They could lose
to the Chargers, they could lose on the road against
the Seahawks, and then they're not gonna lose to the Raiders.
They will beat the Raiders to finish out the seasons.
But the Chiefs, as good as they have been, could

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stumble substantially down the stretch. And if you are a
Chiefs fan, you know that has been the story of
Andy Reid, right. It has been that just when you
think everything is perfect, they start to stumble. We talked
earlier about the New England Patriots and the fact that
the Patriots have a game on the road against the

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Dolphins this weekend. It's been a factory of sadness to
the extent that there is any at all in the
a f C East for the Patriots when they go
on the road against the uh Against the New England Patriots,
against the Miami Dolphins, they've been very mediocre. Tom Brady
and his career seven and ten on the road in

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uh in New England, I mean with New England in Miami.
For some reason, they can't win down in Miami. One
and four in the last five. So the Dolphins in
the playoff race a little bit. And then they have
the Patriots go on the road against the Steelers the
next week, and then they finish against the Bills and
the Jets at home. So they're gonna win their final two.
And so the question for the Patriots is what are

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they gonna do on the it against the Dolphins and
what are they gonna do on the road against the Steelers.
Those are your two teams that would get buys right now.
The Houston Texans. Everybody is still overlooking. I think the
Houston Texans, who have won nine games in a row.
They get a chance to end the a f C
South playoff race by playing the Colts this weekend. If

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they beat the Colts and they're about a four and
a half point favorite, the Colts went scoreless on the
road against the Jacksonville Jaguars, then the Texans will grab
control of the a f C South and effectively in
this thing. Then they go on the road against the Jets.
Then they go on the road against the Eagles. They
finish at home against the Jags again. The Texans can
win their tenth straight and basically lock up a first

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round playoff bid if they can beat uh the the
Indianapolis Colts this weekend. The Steelers, you look at their
final four. They're going on the road against the Raiders.
That should be a win. Then they come back home
against the Patriots. That was a game you thought earlier
in the season, Oh, maybe that will decide who gets
the home field. Well, now the Patriots basically are in

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really good shape to get that second second home field thing,
unless unless the Texans continue to win out. But you're
feeling like the Steelers need to worry about winning their
division more than they need to worry about getting a bye.
And then the Steelers finish on the road against the Saints,
and then they finished with the Bengals. I don't know,
it's a tough conclusion. Two games that would be very losable.

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So those are the four teams that would host home
playoff games right now. The Chargers we ran through their
their schedule. The Chargers are in I think as a
wild card at minimum it's hard to believe they are
not gonna lock up the number five overall spot. And
then these are the teams that are all competing down
the stretch for the final playoff wild card spot in

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the a f C. The Ravens the Miami Dolphins. The
Ravens are seven and five, but they're likely to lose
this weekend UH to the Kansas City Chiefs, which would
dropped them to seven and six. The Miami Dolphins, we
just said they play against the Patriots. They are six
and six. Indianapolis Colts on the road against the Houston Texans. Uh.
The Denver Broncos I think maybe left for dead early

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in the season. The Broncos have since won three games
in a row. They've beaten three pretty solid teams. Uh,
it's certainly two solid teams. They beat the Chargers and
then they beat the Steelers, and now the Broncos are
are sitting at six and six, and they finished with
this this role. They're gonna beat the forty Niners, then

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they get the Browns in Mile High, then they get
the Raiders on the road, and then they finished with
the Chargers. Now that Chargers game, if you're a Broncos fan,
I think you hope that it won't matter at all,
but there's a decent chance that they could get on
a roll there. And then finally, the Tennessee Titans are
also sitting at six and six. Could they make a run. Well,

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they got the Jags tomorrow if they win that one,
and they're a four point favorite in that game. If
the Titans can beat the Jags, then they would get
to seven and six, and then they finish with the Giants,
which is certainly a winnable game, although the Giants are
playing better. Uh, then they get the Redskins, who are
basically done, and then the Titans would finish at home
with the Colts. So for three of the final four

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games for the Tennessee Titans are all at home. One
of these teams is gonna need to get on a
run and get to six and six, get to ten
and six in order to win that final spot. I
think you're gonna have to post a pretty good record
in order to make the playoffs. In the a f C,
they're gonna a lot of teams that are in the
run running. And again, I think the most fascinating part

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about the playoff race so far right now in the
a f C is gonna be that final spot in
the wild card race because you have so many different
teams that are legitimately in the mix. The Baltimore Ravens,
the Miami Dolphins, the Indianapolis Colts, the Denver Broncos, and
the Tennessee Titans all come down the stretch looking to

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get to ten and six and snagged that last playoff berth.
The Bengals, the Rounds, the Bills, the Jags, the Jets,
and the Raiders are all done. We pour out a
drink for them. That's the a f C playoff picture.
If you haven't been paying a lot of attention, and
I know a lot of people haven't, that's where we
are right there in the NFC. Uh. The Rams, I
think I misspoke earlier when I said they were tending

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to They're actually eleven and one and they're only loss
is against the New Orleans Saints. And that's why the
Rams are your number one overall seed right now. Uh
the Saints can they catch back up with the Rams?
That's the question. They gave up the number one overall
seed that would have sent the Super sent the road
to the Super Bowl through the Super Dome down in
New Orleans. Your Saints are number two. Those two teams

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seem like they have created a decent amount of space
for themselves and are going to have the buy and
advanced to the divisional round of the playoff. It just
remains to be seen in the NFC who's gonna have
the overall number one seed. I also don't think it
matters as much for the Saints if they have to
go on the road against the Rams, because as you're

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playing in l A, it's not like the weather conditions
are gonna be massively important for a dome team like
the New Orleans Saints to suddenly have to go play
against the Rams. I think it would be a bigger
deal if, for instance, they had to go to Chicago
or god forbid, if you're going to Foxborough or someplace
where the weather conditions could be massive for a dome team.
I just don't see it. So the Rams are one

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in the two spots. We got the New Orleans Saints
rolling into three the Chicago Bears. Every team in the
NFC North lost, and the Bears have an intriguing setup.
Uh as they get ready because they have uh I
believe right, I mean that we've got a really big
game with the Rams coming on the road against the Bears.
That is Sunday Night Football, and the Bears, if they

(29:43):
are going to UH, I don't know, legitimately contend in
the NFC, this is an opportunity to send a message
about what their defense can do against the Rams. The
Rams are three point favorites in that game, and we're
still not sure about Mitchell Turbinski's health. Uh. In the
four spot, Dallas Cowboys. The Philadelphia Eagles are coming to town,
and the Cowboys can really take control officially of the

(30:04):
NFC East if they can win that game against the Eagles.
Otherwise the NFC East is gonna be wide open. Then
we got the Seattle Seahawks, uh, the Seattle Seahawks that
refused to die there in the five spot, then the
Minnesota Vikings are still holding on to the sixth playoff spot.
Right now in the NFC, you've got Carolina Panthers sitting
at six and six trying to fight their way around

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the Philadelphia Eagles at six and six. The Washington Redskins
are also at six and six, and they are falling
maybe maybe possibly in the best case scenario, the Tampa
Bay Buccaneers are still alive for a playoff berth if
they were to win out, but they play against the
New Orleans Saints this weekend, so the Saints can officially
wipe out the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Packers, the Falcons,

(30:48):
the Giants, the Detroit Lions, Arizona Cardinals, and the San
Francisco Forty Niners are all dead. That is your NFL
playoff picture. Will continue to update you as we move
through the rest of the of of the year, But
to me, the a f C playoff race is gonna
be a lot more interesting than the NFC playoff race.

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There are far more teams that are still alive for
the playoffs in the a f C than in the NFC.
All Right, we're gonna be joined by John Campbell. We
just ran through a lot of the different NFL matchups
this weekend. He's gonna give us some gambling tips. Will
be joined by him here on the backside of the show.
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as we head into the NFL weekend. Uh John Campbell?
What to you stands out as we start? Let's start
with a Thursday night football game tomorrow between the Titans
and the Jags. We have the lowest I think our
second lowest. I think it is over under total. It's
down to thirty seven and a half or so, suggesting
not many points are going to be scored? Is that

(32:33):
the way to play this one? Do you like the Titans?
Do you like the Jags? I like the Titans. Here
on Thursday Nights and winning doubt you take the favorite
on Thursday Nights. They're They're now nine three and two
against the spread at this season, so I'm a little
fuzzy on this one, so I'll go with the favorite here.
But this total says a lot. It is the second
most total in the NFL this season, and the NFL

(32:55):
needs to stop putting these guys on Thursday Night because
twelve of the last thirty meetings between these two have
had totals lower than four. So this has not been
a good game in the past. Well, what's crazy is
the NFL thought I believe that this year Jags Titans
would be decent because they were both playoff teams last

(33:16):
year and they both won games last year in the
playoffs and then they so I think they slotted it
on Thursday Night not thinking, oh, this is your typical
Jags Titans pyramid of awfulness and then it's gonna end
up as a pyramid of awfulness again. Yeah. And I
always say, if if you're ever having a rough NFL season,
don't feel bad about being a bad picker, because the

(33:37):
NFL is one of the worst prognosticators out there. They
in the past. They pack caterrible Monday nighters. They pack
a lot of terrible Thursday nighters, so even they have
trouble picking a good game. All right, So the Dolphins
have been enormously successful against the New England Patriots down
in Miami. I don't know if it's weather, I don't

(33:58):
know what goes on, but the Patriots and Bill Belichick
are one in four overall, one in four against the
spread in the last five I think seven and ten
overall against the number. In Tom Brady's tenure as the
Patriots quarterback, they're over a touchdown favorite. Even still, what
happens between the Patriots and the Dolphins, I I think

(34:21):
the Patriots do cover this one, and I really did
not like betting against the Pats. When you go back
to even further tom Brady as a road favorite, it's
just incredible. He's covered at on the road as a
favorite in his career, which is just just crazy because
you've seen a lot of numbers like this one where
his favorite by more than a touchdown. And uh, the

(34:42):
other thing that the Dolphins have some meaneries that I
didn't read all a year, or the starting center at
Daniee and golaverre out last week. They're questionable this week.
I think God could be big. I I like the Pats.
You I can't beat against Ravens. Going on the road
against the Chiefs, number one defense in the NFL, going
up against the number one offense in the NFL, the

(35:02):
Chiefs right around a touchdown favor, At what happens? Well,
I I used to lead the defense in these games,
but I just think it's a new NFL and now
I've I've started leading to offense. So so I like
the Chiefs here. Uh with this one, even though the Ravens,
I think they're giving teams some trouble because there's such
a different look right now with Lamar Jackson. Then we're

(35:23):
averaging a hundred twenty nine rushing yards per game. Now
they're averaging two hundred thirty eight rushing yards per game,
and they're just blowing teams away in the yardage battle.
But you I like the Chiefs here. I don't think
the Ravens are that great. They've got a great defense,
but they just don't do anything different on offense right now.
So in these games, now I'm leading to offense. I've

(35:45):
had to change the way I hate to come to
Colts Texans. Um, the Colts looked like they were going
to maybe make a run in the a f C South.
Then they didn't play very well against the Dolphins. They
were fortunate to win that game, and then they didn't
score against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Now they go on the road.
The Texans are looking for their tenth straight win, which

(36:06):
would effectively end the a f C South race. It's
an improbable and incredible run the Texans have gotten on. Meanwhile,
if the Colts get beat, it effectively ends the Colt season,
right because they would follow the six and seven I
don't think there's any way you make the playoffs in
the a f C if you look at that race,
even if the Colts went out sitting at nine and seven.
So are are the Texans gonna eliminate the Colts from

(36:29):
the playoff race or are the Colts gonna stay alive?
I think the Colts stay alive. And and it's funny
with the Texas here, how how they won nine in
a row and we're still asking a question if they're
if they're any good? And uh, there they are good,
But how don't weak schedule here? And it's not enough
to convince, but they are covering spreads. They covered five

(36:49):
of their last six. Now, well, what worries me from
the Texans there? They're going up against what I think
the best offensive line in the NFL right now? How
do rough way to ask one against the Jags? But
I think they bounced back here and this offensive line
has just done such an incredible job. Quoth getting five,
I think this this pled should be more like a
seal goal. What's happened to the Panthers? They've lost four

(37:10):
games in a row, They're going on the road and
what is close to a pick um game against the Browns.
Ron Rivera suddenly on the hot seat. Christian McCaffrey has
been playing out of his mind. I mean, I'm just
kind of stunned. The Panthers were sitting at six and
two and looked like a legitimate Super Bowl contender and
then they've completely fallen apart. Yeah, it really comes down

(37:30):
to defense for the Panthers here, and and specifically it's
third and long defense. They do a great job of
putting teams into third and long situations, and they do
a terrible job of stopping them in those situations. Over
their last four losses. That allowed an NFL worth twelve
conversions on third and long, so third and seven yards

(37:52):
to go, and that's let the four gds. So so
they're allowing teams to get those first downs and then
score from there, and it's really killing them right now.
They're also a terrible beat on the road. They're one
and five against the spread on the road. So I'm
leaning to the Browns here at home. I think I
think it was natural that the Browns had a let
down after ending their terrible road losing streak last week.

(38:15):
But um so so I kind of like them here
and it's tough to bed on the Panthers on the road.
This season, the Cowboys are hosting the Eagles. The Cowboys
seven and five, the Eagle six and six. The Cowboys
have a chance to basically take control of the NFC East.
Does it happen? H Yeah, I think so. And I
think the Cowboys are the best They're the best Super
Bowl bet on the board right now at to one.

(38:37):
I think that's the best value out there right now.
I think the defense is playing great. Everything's getting rolling
for it for the Cowboys right now. They had a
little extra time this week after beating the Saints at
home on Thursday night as well, So, so I think
they are a great value back for the Super Bowl
as well. Right now? All right? Uh? And last question
for you here the Rams going up against the Bears. Uh,

(38:59):
do you buy into the idea that the Bears are
a legitimate threat in the NFC? The Rams are around
a three point favorite. We're not sure about the quarterback situation,
but this could be an interesting matchup because you've got
the Rams offense going up against the Bears defense. Do
the Bears have a chance to slow him down? Which
side of this equation would you take? Well, it really

(39:20):
depends on who's playing at quarterback and if Chake Daniel plays.
I love the Rams, but I think this line suggests
that Troubinsky will play here. So but Rams are hotually
warning against the spread against winning teams this year, so
I would hold off the state Daniel plays. I love
the Rams. If not, I leave it it bears outstanding stuff.
As always, John Campbell, we will talk to you next week.

(39:42):
Thank you for hanging with us. Thanks go follow him
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is time for the Anonymous mail bag. All right, we're
gonna do the Anonymous Mailbag live on the air Wednesday
and hour two. That's our plan every single time. Alright,
I need you to load up the phone lines. You

(40:02):
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will answer and solve it. My man Dub will field
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(40:25):
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(41:30):
broke after just waking up. We broke down, continuing fallout
of the Urban Meyer news. Ryan Day has uh I've
been named the interim at Ohio State. We talked about
that live yesterday on the radio show. As that news
came down, UM, we also talked about what I think
is a pretty substantial news potentially in the world of
college football. Kelly Bryant, the former starting quarterback at Clemson

(41:53):
who was replaced by Trevor Lawrence about halfway through the season.
Ish Uh was was now announced or has now announced
last night that he will be transferring to Missouri. That's
a big get for Missouri head football coach Barryotem an
offensive coordinator Derek Dooley. But as we come into our
two on Wednesday. My plan is to turn this into

(42:15):
a regular anonymous mailbag live on the radio. Now, if
you read my website OutKick dot com every Tuesday, I
will respond to whatever questions you have in the anonymous mailbag.
Any question under the sun I respond in written for him.
In a while back, people started saying, hey, why don't
you do Initially we would respond, we read those questions

(42:35):
and we would respond to him on the radio. But
the anonymous mail bag has gotten so popular in the
written form that so many of you were going onto
OutKick dot com and reading that that you're like, hey,
we already know what you're gonna say in response to
this question. Why don't you start doing it live on
the radio? And I said, well, this is an interesting experiment,
and so we are. Now I don't know, this is
the fourth or fifth different time that we have done

(42:56):
this live on the radio on Wednesday in our too.
So eight seven seven nine nine six six three six
nine is the phone number. Now the key here is
you guys drive this segment as good as the questions are,
and as good as dubble as at fielding them and
then lining them up in order is as good as
the segment will be So this is me saying to you, guys, Hey,

(43:19):
you want callers to be involved in the show, and
we have actually tried to make that happen by occasionally
having the phone lines actually work when we do the
show live. But in particular, I have a specific call
screener in Dub who is set there with ten loaded
lines that are available in front of him at any
particular time, so I know it's sometimes a challenge to

(43:40):
get through, but he is there to field all of
the questions. Eight seven seven nine six six three six
nine is the phone number. Eight seven seven nine six
six three six nine is the phone number, Danny G
you said you actually have a question that you want
to start with today. What is your question? While Dub

(44:02):
fields these calls and put them into order for us. Yeah,
And I'm glad I get a chance to ask you
this because when I walked into work, the first thing
I did when I saw Coope was I asked him
about this because he's a restaurant expert, he's a while,
he was a longtime bachelor, so he always ate out. Now, Clay,
when you were a bachelor, how often do you think
you ate takeout food all the time, say, I never

(44:24):
cooked right, because it's really hard to cook for one
person when you live by yourself. Well, and if I'm
by myself, I'm just gonna put like, uh, you know,
like I would just use a microwave, so I would
use like hot pockets or whatever else, something easy to fit.
And then I eat turkey and cheese sam which is
pretty much all the time. So yeah, I mean I think, uh,
for most single men, you probably eat out a decent

(44:45):
amount of time. Not always healthy either, but if you
want to count fast food, going through the drive through,
everything else. So and then I'm glad you bring that up,
because this is exactly why I've been frequenting this restaurant.
So across the street from where I live, there's a
nice tie restaurant that opened about a year ago, and
they have really healthy food. So they use like good
quality chicken, breast and broccoli. So I average eating there

(45:07):
probably two times a week at least. And after the
tip online, it's really simple. I order online, put the
tip on there, and it's really easy. I just walk
across the street. They have the bag sitting there ready
to go, boom simple. Now a year into this, they've
been given me trouble, and and I'm not sure whether
or not I should be petty and stop going and

(45:29):
giving them my business, or if I should just suck
it up because their food is delicious. So what's been
going on is every time I order their pat cu
which is the broccoli and the flat noodles, I asked
for soy sauce and a little side of the peanut
sauce to kind of flavor the chicken because it is healthy,
so you know, I need something to make it a
little more fattening. And they've never given me a problem.

(45:50):
They throw what I asked for in the bag, and
it's all good. Except now a few weeks in a row,
every time I go in there just about they've been
asking me for fifty cents for the side of the
peanut sauce. And it doesn't sound like a big deal,
and it's not. I don't care about the fifty cents,
But the problem is there's nowhere to add that onto

(46:12):
my order on their online ordering. So now this nice
easy system that I always had where I just ordered
it online, walk in there, get what I want, and
go back home, They've suddenly made it really difficult for
me because now I walk in there and instead of
just handing me my bag, the waitress tells me, um,
I need fifty cents. So the first time this happened,

(46:34):
I was irritated, but I walked back to my place,
grab a couple of quarters, walk back, and she tells me, oh,
it's fifty five cents with tax. So at this point
I was like, you know what, just keep your stupid sauce,
give me my bag please, and I walk out and leave.
A few days later, I'm over it, and I'm like,
let me order again. I don't have very many options

(46:55):
that are you know, this easy across the street from
where I live. So I went back same thing. They asked, stop,
are you tipping them much? So it's like an eleven
dollar order? And I tipped three dollars. That's pretty good tip. Yeah,
because I figured, you guys are making it easy for
me and and so I'll give you a good tip.
So and I and I wondered about that same thing.

(47:17):
I'm like, man, what would they be giving me crap
over if I didn't tip them? So I asked for
a manager on Friday because I had a date and
I can't cook obviously, so I went and I ordered
extra food so that I could, you know, set up
a nice table at home for the girl coming over.
And it's the next best thing to you cooking somebody
else cooking something that would taste much better. Right, So

(47:39):
they give me the junk again about the fifty cents,
and I said, look, let me talk to the manager please.
So I told this guy, said, look, I've been ordering
here for the entire year. I've spent hundreds and hundreds
of dollars here. I'm a regular, obviously. Don't you think
it's bad business to treat your regulars like this? And
he told me, well, you know, you gotta understand, blah
blah blah. You just giving me excuses. And I said,

(48:01):
are your local? Are your owners local? And if so,
can I have their email address? He would not give
me the the owner's email address. He said, well, I'm
a manager. You could just talk to me, tell you what.
I'll give it to you for free this time. And
I said, wow, that's big of you. This was Friday, right,
so over the weekend I was feeling kind of bitter
about it. Normally I would get food for Sunday football

(48:23):
from there and walk back home, but I didn't this time.
I'm like, let me just wait a few days, see
if they do this again. So I ordered last night
walk over there, same thing. They asked me for the
stupid fifty cents, and obviously I use my debit card.
I'm not caring change. Do you think they don't? So
my my question is do you think they don't like
people coming in for takeout food? Some places like are

(48:47):
are very open to the takeout business. I wonder if,
like over fifty cents, this doesn't make any sense, right, No, no, now,
this is the thing, and this is really gonna piss
you off when you hear this. Take out I would
say is a huge, huge part of their business because
they only have about eight seats inside their small restaurant,
so every time I walk in there, they actually have

(49:07):
a counter and bags are lined up on that counter.
So it's a huge part of their business. Would I
would stop going there if it's fifth fifty cents? Is
bothering you that much? Yeah? And it's not so much
the fifty cents. Like I said, what's bothering me is
I don't feel like you should treat your regular customers
like that. Well, just stop tipping and give them a
dollar bill. That's what That's what I would do, so

(49:29):
giving them, if you're tipping them an extra three dollars,
I would stop tipping them then and order the peanut
sauce and give them a dollar and then they get
to keep the forty five cents extra and then see
if at some point they start to change their behavior,
because I mean, honestly, I always question if you order
food and all you have to do is pick it up,

(49:50):
I tip, but I don't feel like, what are you
tipping for? They put your food in a bag and
you're walking over to get it. They're not delivering it.
You're to me being That's why I asked if you
were tipping it first, because I thought maybe it was
passive aggressive on their far on their part. But I
think it's probably just that that somebody has decided that
they were looking at my bed, is that they were

(50:12):
looking at the books and they don't make very much
of a profit, and they said, man, we're getting killed
on the peanut sauce. It's like the number, you know,
Like for instance, if you go to zax Piece, they'll
they'll give you like one Zaxby sauce or two zaxby
sauce or whatever, and then like their their profit margins
are such that if you ask for like four, they're like, oh,
it's a quarter extra for the zach whatever. Like, just

(50:34):
give me whatever sauce that I want, right is my position.
And also in you know, with like catchup and everything else,
I feel like a lot of these restaurant chains are
really pinching pennies and the the CEOs who run them
and everything else are like, Oh, this is how we
can increase the profit margins this year by two percent
or whatever it is um and so I think that's
probably what happened, and they're applying that rule. But I

(50:55):
would just give him a buck and stop tipping, or
take instead of tipping three dollars, take it down to
two dollars, and then give them the extra dollar. The
more frustrating thing to me is just having to have
the cash. The only time I have cash is UH.
That that that I need cash for now is for
UH is for babysitters. It's it's really frustrating because I

(51:17):
don't have cash that often in my wallet. And if
we have a babysitter over the only person that I
deal with on a regular basis. Who gets paid in
cash is a babysitter. Everything else is credit card uber
you know lift you're in a car like, you never
have to pay a cab like. It's so the cash list,
the cash transaction thing is is a is a big
deal to me because you might not have, you know, cash,

(51:40):
or certainly any change. So that's an interesting question. Eight
seven seven. I would I My solution is cut a
dollar out of the tip and just start giving them
a dollar and just just ignore the fight. I wouldn't
I mean to to me getting the manager involved in
sending emails and everything else. That's like, I'm a big
believer in don't create more conflict in your life than

(52:01):
you need, And it seems like a way of an
overreaction to me in terms of the amount of time
that you're spending there. Just know that you're gonna have
to pay fifty five cents, take an extra dollar, give
it to them, and be done with it. Eight seven
seven nine six three six nine. All of your calls
lined up, We got a bunch of them. Let me
go to Kentucky first. By the way, where's dub Why

(52:30):
do the phones never work on this show? It should
be working Kentucky. Y're on right now? Yeah, all right, thanks,
listen to you every morning. Appreciate that. Hey. In the
history of bad presidents, where does Donald Trump rank in
your opinion all time presidents? Here is my all time

(52:52):
presidential power ranking for presidents that have been alive in
my life. I've done this before, but I'm gonna try
to do it off the top of my head right now. Um,
I think so I was born in nineteen nine, right,
So let me go ahead right now and sketch out
all the presidents that have been alive I can. I
feel like you can only really judge presidents that have

(53:13):
been alive for your life in terms of the power rankings. So,
Jimmy Carter was president when I was born. Then he
was followed by Ronald Reagan, and then after Ronald Reagan,
we had George arrest is rest in peace. George H. W. Bush,
who obviously was late in state in the Capitol yesterday
and I believe is having a funeral in Houston today.

(53:36):
Then we had Clinton, uh and then we had uh W. Bush,
and then we had let's see, I'm I'm rolling through everybody.
Then we had Um after w we had Obama and
now we have Trump, all right, So I would rank
the presidents of my life in this way, my power
ranking of the presidents one, two, three, four, five, six,

(53:56):
seven presidents. I would make Ronald Reagan number one. I
would make Bill Clinton number two. I would make Obama
number three. I would make uh h W. Bush number four,
I would make Trump number five, I would make Carter

(54:18):
number six, and I would put w at number seven.
That is my Clay Travis out kick power rankings of
presidents that have been alive in my life. That's live
in real time. Ronald Reagan one, I've got in the
number two spot, Bill Clinton in the number three spot.
I've got Barack Obama and the number four spot, i

(54:38):
have got H. W. Bush number five, I've got Trump
number six, I've got Carter and number seven, I've got W. Bush. Now,
Jimmy Carter has had the best post presidential life of
anybody in my life. He's been incredibly accomplished. What he
has done in his post presidency has been extraordinary. Uh.
And the reason why I put w last is because

(54:59):
he took us to war, and I think the whole
part point of the Iraq War was a waste. We
should have never gone to war. There we wasted trillions
of dollars. So I have got him in uh in
last place. Those are my power rankings one to seven.
Colorado is up next, Colorado what chicken? Uh? Yeah, thanks
for having me on Clay, appreciate it. Um. My name

(55:20):
is Tim. Um. Recently, I've given up cooking after twenty years,
and I've been delivering newspapers to the last couple and
I'm not really sure what to do next. You deliver
newspapers for a living, I am right now, yeah, but
that's all you do. That's all I do right now? Yeah,

(55:40):
all right, So what'll be the question is, so what
do you do for? Like what does newspaper delivery pay?
Like what are you make in a year? I have
no idea. Um, well, I got a pretty good route
up in the north North Foulder area, so I make
about uh, I make about three thousand a month. Alright,
So that's thirty six thousand dollars a year. Are you married?

(56:01):
Do you have kids? Yeah? I'm married. I have two kids.
So does your wife work? H yeah? So financially, Boulder
is really an expensive place. So do you make enough money? Now? Um? Yeah,
I'm make enough money now, but I mean, obviously it's
definitely not something for the long term, you know. Yeah,

(56:21):
so you used to be like a cook in a restaurant.
I was an executive chef for for good ten years.
So why did you give that up to deliver newspapers? Um? Well,
I kind of work myself into the ground pretty much,
both physically and mentally, and I got out of the
restaurant industry not only to save mine my marriage, but

(56:43):
to save myself as well. All right, So you're opposite
in terms of schedule because the restaurant industry is very
late night. Uh. In terms of your usual work, I
would imagine now you deliver I can hear in the
background there you deliver papers early in the morning, or
do you take care of the kids, like get them
off to school and stuff like that? Is that one
of the reasons you do what you do? Yeah, I
mean it's I mean, as far as delivering papers goes,

(57:03):
it's added a lot of balance to my life. Um.
But you know, again, like looking kind of long term,
I know that it's not going to be something that's
gonna last, you know. Yeah, all right, thanks for the call. Well,
first of all, there's a billion jobs out there. Right.
The positive thing is that we literally have the lowest
unemployment rate in the history of most of our lives,

(57:24):
going all the way back to the Vietnam War era.
This is the lowest unemployment rate that has ever existed.
So it's a broad question to say, what should I
do with the rest of my life? Like what profession
should I do? The reason why I asked if he's
married and if he has kids. Everything is a balancing
act once you have kids. If you don't have kids,
then you can make decisions that other people cannot make,

(57:47):
but you have obligations when you have kids. So I
think you need to balance out. First of all, how
much money do I need to make? And then what's
the quality of life that matters to me? Um. I like,
for instance, when I finished my radio shop, I walk
my kids to school, um, and I enjoy doing that.
Or sometimes when we like today, when it's gonna be
super cold, I put him in the car and drive

(58:09):
them to school. But I get to have breakfast with them.
I get to hang out with him in the morning.
That's a pretty nice attribute of my schedule, right. Uh.
And it's tough because I have a television show in
the afternoon. Now I used to go pick up my
kids at school in the afternoon. Because my schedule starts
so early in the morning, I can work and I
would try to be done with official work by four.

(58:30):
Now I start at four in the morning, so you know,
that's twelve hours, So I'd feel pretty good about putting
in a twelve hour day. Now I go even longer
because my television show doesn't until five thirty. So everything
in life is sort of a balancing act between money
and time, and right now I'm going after money more
so than time. I think in the next five years
I'll probably start to go after time more than money.

(58:51):
That's a broad answer to your question. But to me,
for a guy like that, you used to work as
an executive chef, You worked late night hours, you had
a completely different schedule. Now you deliver papers, you get
up early in the morning. It sounds to me like
you're making a choice to spend more time with your kids.
And if that's the case, at some point, your kids
are gonna want to spend less time with you. I'm

(59:12):
kind of intrigued. In general, dobb is saying people still
read newspapers. Yes, yes, I still read newspapers. I get
two newspapers delivered every morning. In fact, right now I'm
looking at the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal.
Let's see what's on the front page of the newspaper.
I understand I'm an old man at thirty nine to
still be reading physical newspapers, but I still read the

(59:34):
Wall Street Journal and the New York Times every morning.
Let's go to Alabama next. What's up Alabama? Yeah, you know,
follow on Twitter and everything and all the you know,
fix game one. Wise, I want to know some uh
you know about plays five to bed on in the
stock market within the next five years that are quality

(59:57):
dividends and then something that's got a lot of ceiling
to it that could just explode. Thanks. My advice in
general to everybody who wants to buy stocks is by
S and P five hundred index fund futures and just
hold onto them. Just the index fund and hold onto
it for the next twenty years. Don't try to pick

(01:00:18):
individual stocks. If you're not a professional investor. You'll return
eight nine percent a year. Put it off to the side,
don't worry about it, look at it in twenty years.
That's my easiest solution to The best thing that everybody
should do is just buy SNP five hundred index index
funds and don't worry about them, hold them for the
next twenty years and you will be fine. Right, So

(01:00:41):
that's my number one advice. Uh. In terms of individual stocks,
I own uh take two Interactive, I own Activision, I
own w w E, which I told you guys to
buy a while ago and has done fabulously well. I
own Twitter, and I own some net like stock. Those
are the individual stocks that I own and follow on

(01:01:04):
a regular basis. Um. None of them do I feel
like you're going to explode from here in terms of
you know, like they're gonna suddenly triple. So always go
by the advice I always give is don't worry about
individual stocks, particularly if you are not an expert in investing.
Don't get seduced into investing in things you don't understand
and following the masses and everything else. Just by SMP

(01:01:27):
five index fund uh futures and hold them forever. New York.
What you got for me? Yeah? How are you doing? Claim?
My name is Ken? Yeah, I've got a son who
made that with a sports personality on Twitter and uh,
the sport that my son won the bat and the
sports personality guy, the ringo talk show guy hasn't lived

(01:01:47):
up to his end of the party. My son doesn't
want me to see anything. He said, No, don't worry
about it. Some day, don't remember. What do you think
at that idea? I think I should say something? Or what?
What's the bet? Was it? The Buffalo Bills could beat
the Tennessee Titans? Oh? Is my the Am I the gambler?
Am I the gambler? Here's hold on a set. People

(01:02:11):
go on Twitter all the time and want to bet me, Like,
if I go into my mentions, I don't understand this.
If I go into my mentions, I get like I
guarantee you every week, particularly during football season. I'm not
kidding about this. Fifty to a hundred people who are like, Hey,
I want to bet you X, Y or Z. I

(01:02:32):
barely have time to read any of my mentions these days,
but by and large I don't respond to any of these.
Did I respond to your son? Or does he think
he has a bet because he sent it to me
and just assumed that I saw it. No, he's he's
a regular. He sent it to you and you said done.
Do you o any So he assume that, all right,
tell him to email me if I actually responded to him.

(01:02:54):
I can't keep up with all the responses. If I owe,
if I owe a bet payoff every now and then
I do fun to one of these questions. So send me,
send me a copy of the tweet and my response.
Then I will be happy to fulfill it. All right? Uh?
Polly from the Dan Patrick Show. What's up? Polly? Hey,
I've been sitting here listening to the guy. He used

(01:03:15):
to be a chef and now he delivers newspapers. I
got the solution for him. He doesn't want to do
the grind of being an everyday chef. He can continue
to deliver to the newspaper because that's a nice based
salary of three thousand a month. But then, let's say
he teaches two cooking classes in his home each day
for local people, local couples. You charge let's say seventy
I think that's a very fair price for a one

(01:03:37):
hour cooking class from a former executive chef. That's one
fifty a day over the course of the month. That's
an extra three thousand dollars and you can probably charge
cash and there you go. He just doubled the salary
with two hours a day of teaching cooking. That's a
really good idea. Or on top of that, you know
what we've done a couple of times is having a
chef come into the house and actually prepare a meal. Uh,

(01:03:59):
he would probably do that one day a week. And
how those parties on like a Friday night for Saturday night,
charge four hundred bucks, get a bunch of couples together
who overpay for wine, and a bunch of flatterers and
there you go. Next thing, you know, he's taking six
grand a month. That's perfect. That's a great that there's
your solution for for a man delivering. That's a great solution,

(01:04:20):
Paul Pas delivering a perfect solution. See that is um
that's a way to think smart as opposed to trying
to completely redo your life. You are a chef, you're
delivering newspapers. You're making thirty six thousand dollars a year boom.
You can probably add twenty to thirty thousand dollars a
year just by starting that business if you're a good chef.

(01:04:41):
There are a lot of people out there who have
done that before. I know I'm doing it with a
bunch of couples in a week like we are instead
of going out to a restaurant, we're having a Christmas
gathering and they've got a chef that's coming over to
the house to prepare everything. You don't have to worry
about going to a restaurant. You get to hang out
at somebody's house. The person doesn't have to cook. I
think the home chef angle is an incredible business. In fact,

(01:05:05):
in fact, everybody wants to do different ubers. I think
home chef uber like if you could just get on
your phone and you could be like, hey, I'd like
to have a home chef coming over to my place
to cook, and you get the reviews and you can
look at them and you can see what kind of
specialty they have. I think that would be an incredible business.

(01:05:26):
I think because I think there's tons of people out
there that would be like, Hey, you know what, let's
have Chinese. Let's have Chinese food on Friday, and you
just go on. But I want Chinese food and I
want somebody to just come over and cook it at
my house and you just go on. You can look
at the reviews, you can see everything. Boom, you order it.
I think that would do phenomenally well. Hell yeah, they
could make me my own peanut sauce at home. They

(01:05:49):
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(01:08:02):
up next. Hey, good morning. Hey we're checking. I don't
yeah where you're on the air? Okay, sorry about that.
Um just about Urban Meyer. Uh, I know it's a
little pretty emptied on this, but the same morning he

(01:08:23):
left Florida. UM, I don't think he would have come
back into coaching if Ohio State hadn't opened up. And
we all know he's leaving at the end of the year.
What do you think USC would think about having Urban
Meyer come in after? You know, the Pete Carroll the Championships,
the dynasty, and then the backlash from everything that happened,
you know, giving up the Highsman. Do you think USC

(01:08:46):
would risk the championships for one more run with Urban Meyer?
Thanks for the call. First of all, let me say this.
We've been doing the show for three years now. Presume
that when I say yes, you just start talking. I
don't understand why callers don't do that. In addition to
the fact that we have a antiquated Alexander Graham Bell

(01:09:07):
esque television uh telephone system that seems to work like
fort of the time. If I say yes, just start talking.
What's the worst thing that can happen? You're talking only
to yourself and you aren't actually on the air when
I say yes, like, hey, yes, go just pretend just go.
If I say a name that sounds like your name,

(01:09:29):
like if your name is Phil and I say Bill,
assume that it might be you and just start talking
and then stop talking after you've talked for a minute.
And if I don't respond, then you're not on the air.
It seems like a pretty good tutorial, right worthy, useful,
just an idea to apply out there in the caller universe. Um,

(01:09:51):
I I talked about this all day yesterday. I think
that urban Meyer will sit out, and I think I
started the show with it. I think that urban Meyer
will sit out for one year. I don't believe him
when he says he thinks he's gonna stay retired for
the rest of his life. Urban Meyer is gonna live,
you know, to eight four eighty five years old, if
you follow health actuarial tables, maybe older. He's not gonna

(01:10:14):
suddenly do nothing for the next thirty plus years of
his life. He's gonna coach. And the question is where
is he going to coach? I think if you look
around the country, the biggest best job in the weakest
conference is the PAC twelve, the place that would make
the most sense for urban Meyer to go to. That

(01:10:34):
is a historically very good program that is right now
in difficult straits that will be potentially probably looking for
a new coach in the off season unless suddenly Cliff
Kingsbury comes into USC and cures everything that has ailed
that team. Unless that happens in one year, then Clay

(01:10:55):
Helton is gonna get fired and they'll be looking for
a new head coach. And who is a better option
than urban Meyer? There isn't one, which is why I'm
predicting that urban Meyer will end up before all is
said and done at USC. I think it follows the
pattern of his life. Florida, I believe is the best

(01:11:16):
job in the SEC. I think the best job in
the Big Ten is Ohio State. I think the best
job in the Pack twelve is USC. And if you look,
when urban Meyer went to the SEC, the conference was
a little bit down. I don't think it was anywhere
near the apex that it is now. Urban Meyer got

(01:11:37):
there in two thousand and five and has ridden up
the SEC. When the SEC got insanely competitive and Nick
Saban came in and started to beat everybody up and
down the conference, urban Meyer got his ass kicked by
Nick Saban twice, suddenly got sick, said he wasn't healthy,

(01:11:59):
had to be hospital lies after the beating in the
SEC championship game, and fled out of the SEC and
went to the Big Ten where he could win a
lot more football games without having to worry as much
about the quality of competition. Quality of the competition followed
urban Meyer to the Big Ten. James Franklin goes to

(01:12:19):
Penn State, Mark D'Antonio continues to rise up at Michigan State.
Jim Harbaugh gets hired in Michigan. Now you've got Scott
Frost going to Nebraska. Paul christ has done a pretty
good job at Wisconsin. There's a lot of different programs
firing at a high level in the Big Ten. Urban
Meyer starts to have to fight a lot more battles

(01:12:41):
competitively in that own In his own conference, defense falls apart.
Three of the last six games urban Meyer has coached
in the Big Ten, they've given up fifty five points
to Iowa, forty nine points to Purdue, and fifty one
points to Maryland. The wheels have started to come off
the Ohio State program. Now that urban Meyer's credit, he

(01:13:03):
managed to beat Michigan, got past Northwestern in an easy
Big Ten title game, and he leaves with a Big
Ten championship. But I think most people who are Ohio
State fans would have to say the program feels a
little bit wobbly. You don't get fifty hung on you
by Iowa and forty you don't get beat by twenty
nine by per Due, and then have a quarterback for

(01:13:25):
Maryland miss a wide open two point conversion pass that
would have lost you that game. All those things don't
happen if the program's firing on all cylinders. So I
think Urban realized people are catching up with him because
suddenly has health issues again. Urban Meyer's health issues only
seemed to arise when his team is not as good.
And I think he'll sit out for a year. I

(01:13:45):
think he'll get healthy, sleep more, eat better, be more
physically in control of his health and well being. And
I think somebody will come and offer him eight nine
ten million dollars a year and he'll become a head
coach somewhere else at a power program. I think it
will be usc That's my prediction for where urban Meyer goes.
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This is Animal thunder Dog. All right, Danny, g what
you got for me? Alright, Clay, you gave me the
green light to go ahead and cover this story. Officials
in the Yukon have now conducted a necropsy on the
grizzly bear that fatally mauled a thirty seven year old
mother and her ten month old infant daughter. Valerie Theory

(01:16:27):
was killed outside her cabin in Canada a couple of
mondays ago. Her husband Gremond, was charged by that same bear.
Upon returning from his trapline, he shot the grizzly bear
dead before making the horrifying discovery that his family was dead.
Oh this is the worst story ever I know. Is

(01:16:48):
this Alaska or was it Canada? Canada? The Yukon um So,
this guy is like a trapper out in the Canadian
outback or whatever. He goes out to check and see
whether or not his uh I don't know what's he
trapping seals. I don't I don't even have any idea
what you're trapping out there. Comes back home and a
grizzly bear has killed his wife and his and his baby,

(01:17:11):
and then he shoots the grizzly bear and kills it.
He kills it before even knowing what had happened at
his cabin. Wow. Crazy. And now the study that they've
done on it, it allows them to see what the
bear had been eating and it maybe helps them, you know,
as far as knowing what was going on with the
behavior of the animal prior to the attack. Man, that's

(01:17:33):
an awful story. Uh so uh grizzly bear, um man,
Uh you know that. That's what I always said. Like
up there, as we get closer to the Arctic, the
grizzly bear and the polar bear are mating. And I'm
not kidding about this. They now have created like a
super bear. It's called the pizley bear. That's what they're

(01:17:54):
calling it. I don't know, you know, the polar and
the grizzly mix. This is one and I'm not making
this up. They have on DNA test to confirm that
the polar bear and the grizzly bear due to the
polar bear habitat like is shrinking and the grizzly bear
habitat is expanding as it gets warmer or whatever. And
they now are coming into contact with each other and

(01:18:14):
they're breeding and creating a pizzly bear. What a horrible story.
Officials in the Yukon say that the study they just
did helps them understand the broader health, whether or not
the animals suffering in some way or was plagued by
a disease. Maybe that was affecting its ability to move
or think or eat in the normal way that a
bear would. This is only the third attack from a
bear there in the last twenty two years. What else

(01:18:38):
we got? All right? A Florida woman is what they're
calling incredibly lucky to be alive after she was nearly
killed by a fiercely protective mama hippo while on a
dream vacation to Africa. Kristin Yaldor of Odessa decided to
celebrate her thirty seventh birthday with a big trip to
South Africa and Zimbabwe with her husband Ryan. In the

(01:19:00):
Tampa Bay Times reports and then it talks about how
they were floating down this Zambezi River along with two
tour guides when the hippo came up under the canoe
tossed it into the air, sending Kristen and everyone into
the water. Her husband managed to swim to a nearby island.
The hippo chopped down on Kristen's legs, snapping or femur.

(01:19:22):
She's just say this we pause for a second year.
It seems like hippos are attacking people in canoes on
a regular basis, which raises me the interesting question, why
are you getting in a canoe in an African river
that is filled with hippos? When I have been in
canoes like just canoeing in like Tennessee where I live.

(01:19:44):
It's easy to flip over a canoe, and also the
canoe doesn't provide very much protection. It seems to me
if you were telling me, hey, this African river is
full of crocodiles and hippos and everything else, maybe don't
get in the canoe. Like are these people decided to
get in the canoes thrill seekers? I wouldn't. I wouldn't

(01:20:05):
do it. Luckily for her, she survived the attack. Kristen did.
She's still in intensive care in South Africa. I mean,
are you out with me that? If I go to
Africa and somebody says, hey, this hippo and crocodile infested
river is right there, do you want to get into
a canoe? My answer every single time is gonna be no.

(01:20:29):
I like to live the d BAP philosophy, but you
also need to live the s BAP philosophy. Sometimes be
a pussy willow. If somebody says, hey, that crocodile and
hippo infested river, we can put you in a canoe
and you can go down it. I'm not doing it.
That's not my idea of an African safari. Call me crazy,
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the crew? Am I crazy? On that last story from
Africa that if you went, let's say you're fortunate enough
to be able to afford to go on an African safari.
And for those of you just waking up, maybe your
alarms are going off right now and you are coming
in and you're hanging out with us. We just did
the Animal Thunderdome at the end of our two and

(01:21:35):
as part of the Animal Thunderdome, we had a story
about a woman who for her thirty seventh birthday from
down in the Tampa area, she decides, you know what,
I'm gonna go to Africa and we're gonna go on
an African safari and as partions with her husband, as
part of that trip, they decided to get into canoes
and go down an African river. What river was it, Danny,

(01:21:57):
g give me a little bit more detail here as
I continue to tell this story. They're going down the
river and they've come across an irate hippo that flips
the canoes. Now, the husband evidently makes it is able
to swim to an island and he is safe. The
wife gets attacked by the hippo and the hippo bites

(01:22:20):
her leg and breaks her lege like seriously into I'm
sure the hippo's jaws are insanely powerful and the hippo
is incredibly violent predator right on a very territorial and
as a result, this woman is now in a South
African hospital in intensive care. Correct, they were going down

(01:22:44):
the Zambezi River, the Zambezi River, and the husband okay, yeah,
he swam to an island. Obviously, the canoe got shot
up into the sky, so all the people flew out
of it in different directions, so everybody tried to make
it to the shore. She didn't. Instead, the hippo got her,
so the hippo bites her seriously, injures her. And my

(01:23:08):
question for everybody out there is this, am I crazy?
Or is getting into a canoe a death sentence? Why
would you like, I don't even enjoy being in a
canoe if there is the possibility that there are alligators
in the lake or the river or anything else that

(01:23:30):
that I might you know, when I'm in a canoe,
because if you have ever been in a canoe, you're
not very far from the water, you know, and you
have virtually no protection in the event that anything in
the water decided it didn't like you, Why would you
go to Africa and get in a canoe? That seems
to me to be a recipe for disaster. I would

(01:23:53):
expect the whole time that I was in the canoe
that an angry hippo was gonna flip my canoe and
that he might attack me. Am I crazy for believing this?
Let's go around the horn dub. If you were in
Africa and somebody said, hey, do you want to get
into this canoe and go down this crocodile and hippo
infest infected, infested maybe I'm infected it's not the right word,

(01:24:16):
but infested river. Would you get in a canoe and
do that? I don't understand all these people, Like I understand.
If you go on an African safari and you're in
like a car or a big jeep and it goes
much faster than a animal could run, and it's relatively difficult,
I have yet to hear. Maybe it's happened, But I

(01:24:37):
have yet to hear of an animal like grabbing hold
of a person in a car with like the windows
up and everything and yanking them out and killing them.
Maybe it's happened. Now, if it's an open air jeep.
I guess the animal could theoretically like just yank you
right out, but I feel like it's easier and you're

(01:24:58):
better able to control roll the jeep, and the jeep
can actually go faster than the animal, whereas I feel
like an alligator, crocodile, a hippo, all of them can
swim faster than a canoe can go. So it's not
like you can be like, oh, there's a dangerous thing. Plus,
in the like in the land, we are a land

(01:25:21):
based animal. I know if there are other animals around me.
When you are in the water, you have no idea
what's underneath you, so the amount of time that you
can have to react is infinitesimally small. So dub am
I just totally being a pussy willow here? Or would
you also not want to get in a canoe in

(01:25:43):
an African river that was filled with crocodiles and hippos. Yeah,
I don't really care how big the boat is. If
there's waters that have hippos in them, I am officially out.
Those things are looking for trouble. I mean, they kill
more people than than I think any other animal on
the planet every year. So if there's hippos, and I
am out, yeah, And look, I understand a bigger boat,

(01:26:04):
Like if you have a boat that is massive, and
I know the boat could still get attacked, or it
could still turn over or whatever else. I think, if
it's a big boat, you have to take your chances,
like if like the people who got who died in
the Titanic back in the day. To me, that's a
rough break because by and large, really big boats don't sink,

(01:26:24):
and if they do sink, they take so long to
sink that everybody's gonna be okay. Right, Canoes get flipped
all the time, Like you could just have a bad
guide who hits a rapid a little bit wrong, and
you could get flipped even if the even if the
hippo doesn't flip you. There's a zero percent chance that
I'm getting in a canoe, you know how, I'm gonna

(01:26:44):
end up dying. Somebody's gonna be gonna bully me into
getting in a canoe in in Africa, and then a
hippo is just gonna flip us over, and I'm gonna
be like, as I'm in the air, in the air,
as I'm in the air, after the hippo flips is over.
I'm gonna be thinking to myself, I knew I should
have never gotten in this canoe. Why did I go
on an African safari? There were all these other things
I could have done on vacation that didn't end in death,

(01:27:05):
and now I'm in the air about the land in
the water and get eaten by hippo. Am I Eddie Garcia?
You're a reasonable person, would you get You just had
a big vacation for your tint Yer wedding anniversary. I
think it was you went all over Europe. I bet
you didn't do a single thing that was really dangerous.
You went to London, you went to Paris, you went
to Croatia. What would it take for you to be like, Hey,

(01:27:26):
you know what I'm gonna do for fun, I'm gonna
get in a canoe and go buy all these hippos
and crocodiles in an African river? What would it take
a giant, giant pile of cash for me to even
consider something like that. I wouldn't go on safari to
begin with. Frankly, I don't. I can't see myself doing that.
I'm sure there are many wonders of nature that you

(01:27:47):
could see, but I don't know. I could watch it
on TV or something. I don't My argument, yeah, this
is my thing. My argument on the Safari in general
is I have been to Disney World with my kids
a bunch of times. Tell me what I'm going to
see on the Safari that I don't see on the
Animal Kingdom ride at Disney World. If you've ever been
on the Animal Kingdom ride in Disney World, they take

(01:28:07):
you through it's a make believe African safari and you
see every animal that you would see on the safari
uh in Africa in about a fifteen minute ride in Orlando, Florida,
from a safe jeep with all the animals unable to
hurt you. Why would you not choose to do that?
Like I The first time I did that ride, I said, Wow,
that ride is incredible, and I said, I think it's

(01:28:29):
better than actually being in Africa doing it on a
safari because the animals are all really close to you.
It only takes fifteen minutes and you know they can't
hurt you. And then you come back home and you
can go get a Mickey Mouse ice creamy year, and
and you know what you can do. You can drink
the water and not die, and also you don't get malaria.

(01:28:49):
That seems to me to be an infinitely better version
of the African Safari that I get to do in
an Orlando, Florida theme park. And then I can go
ride Everest, which is a roller coat st I don't
think there are any great African roller coasters like that,
not that I've heard of anyway, So I don't get it.
I would have to be paid a ton of money
to get into a canoe and go, you know what,

(01:29:12):
And I think people naturally don't trust canoes. Like I'll
tell you this. Down in Florida this past summer, we
have a barrier lake right by where we have our
place in Florida, and I got my boys, uh, and
I was like, you know what, We're gonna go canoe.
It's a small little barrier lake and it Barrier lakes
are really cool. It's like in the Panhandle of Florida.

(01:29:35):
It's a lake that is only separated from the ocean
by like a hundred and fifty yards, So you can
get in the canoe and you can canoe to the
edge of the lake, and then you can get out
and walk to the ocean and they're separated by like
a hundred and fifty yards. It's amazing, and there's all
sorts of cool wildlife. You can walk around in the lake.
There's crabs, there's cool fish. It's a sandy bottom lake. Uh.

(01:29:58):
There aren't really any alligators in there, I am told,
but there is a beware of alligators sign. My boys
were terrified to get into the canoe and go out
on the water. And that's alligators, which really don't do
that much damage by and large in the grand scheme
of things. They don't harm people that often. And they're

(01:30:19):
the people there say there are no alligators in those
lakes because the lakes are too salty and the alligators
don't like them. And also if they ever do see
an alligator, they remove it, so if they did have any,
they would be tiny. Right. But my point here is
there is a natural disinclination for people to get into canoes.

(01:30:41):
If you are just a kid, you're like, no, I
don't want to get into that canoe. So your natural
biology is don't get in the canoe. Are you with me? Roberto?
No canoe here, No canoe, man, no canoe. I've been
in a cruise I like being on the water, bug canoe,
sun by hippos and all that nine doing. I'm not
even a huge cruise guy. We did the Disney Family Cruise.

(01:31:03):
That's what we did on vacation last time. Um, I
just I don't like being stuck on a boat. But
at least again my same theory on the Titanic. If
your cruise ship goes down, that's a bad break, right,
that's a bad beat in gambling terms, Like the odds
of a huge ship going down are really low. Happens
every now and yeah, I thought there was a while

(01:31:23):
they think we're like back to back then they were
going down for a while there. They had that one
ship that they grounded and a bunch of people died
in Italy. Massive cruise ship like the captain was the
first one to get off. And I can't even imagine
the feeling of being a cruise ship captain when you
hit something. You know how nervous you get when you

(01:31:44):
parallel park. Imagine if your only job is to be
the cruise ship captain and then you hit something with
the cruise ship like and you start to think, oh,
I might have just Titanic to my cruise ship that
has to be I I imagine the worst nightmare than
any captain could have. And then you certainly have to
go down with the ship like you have to go
find the part of the ship that's flooded and just

(01:32:05):
jump in there and pretend that you're trying to fix them.
I mean, and all honesty. If you're the captain who
hits something and it starts to flood, you gotta go
down there with like uh, with like a broom and
a mop and everything else and try to plug the
hole that m by room and make sure everybody is
out of there before he gets out of there. No,
I think you gotta be in the water. If you're
the captain who hits something, you gotta go straight in

(01:32:27):
the water, and you gotta be like, man, I'm trying
to I'm trying to plug this hole. You gotta get
your fingers in there. You gotta do whatever you can,
and you gotta be the only person that drowns. If
somebody drowns on the ship. But that's a bad beat.
That's a big ship. I'm saying in general, get me
on a on a like. I just I don't understand
this decision. I don't understand this decision, and inevitably to me,

(01:32:51):
you get into a canoe, you're gonna get flipped over
by a hippo and attacked by either a hippo or
a crocodile. Is in anybody like Dan? Is there anybody
who would get in a canoe on this show on
an African Safari? No? No, no canoe. What would it
take money wise? What would it take money for you
to get into a canoe on an African Safari? Fifty grand?

(01:33:18):
You do if I was in the fast part of
the river. Because I was reading an article here, You're
so right about the canoe, by the way, because it's
safer to be in a raft on the faster part
of the river. It says, the canoe in the upper
river area where it's going slow, that's where the crocodiles
and the hippos are. Those breeds do not like the
fast moving water. So the faster part of the river,

(01:33:40):
the safer you are. I don't even care what part
of the river I'm in. If they're if they're gonna
pay you, though, I'll be give me fifty thousand and
put me in a raft in the fast part. So
you would do it for fifty dollars. All right, what
about you, Eddie Garcia, how much money would it take
for you to go down the Zambezi River in a canoe? Oh? Boy,

(01:34:02):
especially knowing these stories, right, it's not like you. You
know that there are people getting flipped, and how they
even allow this to continue. By the way, these are
confirmed crocodiles in the river. The hippos to it says,
some large crocodiles do walk into the gorge from the
upper river, and others do inhabit larger, quieter pools, but

(01:34:22):
they stay away from the fast moving water. Yeah. First
of all, are you really going to rely on the
You can't distinguish between the fast moving water and the
slow moving water because the crocodile sometimes would be in
the fast moving water too. So and if you get flipped,
are you gonna think, Oh, I'm glad I'm in the
fast moving water. Now I don't have to worry about

(01:34:43):
the crocodiles and the hippos. No, all, you'd have to
worry about his victoria falls coming. Yeah, yeah, going going
down the drop. Honestly, I'd rather go over the falls
than get attacked by a hippo or a crocodile. And
not that I want to go over the falls, but
at least going over the falls like you know you
you know it's gonna be relatively fast death, I would imagine,
as opposed to getting dragged around by a crocodile or

(01:35:03):
a hippo. How much money does it take to you
you do, Eddie, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna my life
is worth worth twice as much as Danny somebody? What
about you, Dubbed, You're the youngest, theoretically, you have the
most years of life you left. How much money would
it take for you to go down an African river
in a canoe? Are there piranhas in Africa? I don't
think so. I think piranhas are in South America, Okay,

(01:35:27):
because that was one factor I was trying to weigh
in on this, because if there's piranhas and out crocodiles
and hippos, I'm not sure there is a dollar amount,
but uh, crocodiles and hippos. I mean, I do have
a lot of life to live. I hope I do. Fifty.
I don't even know what dollar figure I would take
to do this. I mean, I mean this, you guys

(01:35:49):
would do it? Fifty K. I don't know that there
is a dollar figure like when I'm just sitting around
thinking about it right now, that I would be willing
to take to do this. I mean, I know it
would be at some point somebody would hit a dollar figure,
but it's not gonna be fifty K. Five. I don't
think I would do it for five hundred. I'm trying
to think about what I would buy that I that
I absolutely positive because to me, immediately when you get

(01:36:12):
the money, you're thinking, Okay, how is this going to
change my life? Five K wouldn't change my life. I'm
still gonna be working. I'm still gonna be you know,
like in all, I don't know how much money it
would take to change my life. Like you guys are saying,
fifty K, that's half a Landrover. You're willing that's half
a range Rover. You're willing to give up your life
for half a range Rover. I don't know. I'm not willing.

(01:36:33):
Like when you buy fifty k, is like it's a
nice round sum, but it's not like fifty that you
would spend the fifty k and your life wouldn't feel
that much different. What's interesting is this woman and her
family paid to go in the Yeah, of course, that's
what I'm saying, Like you were choosing, So that's what
I was saying. If you put me in the raft
in the faster part where there's no crocodiles, fifty k.

(01:36:54):
But to be in a canoe in the slower areas
there where those hippos and crocodiles are hanging out, that's
a million right there. That have to be one million.
I just I mean they spent so, I mean one
million would even change your life a little bit, right,
you take a year off. I don't think one million
dollars would even change my life that much. It's not

(01:37:14):
like you can reach a million a million. You guys
are overvaluing a million. Like if you have a million dollars,
that's great. We don't like to pay taxes on the money,
do we. Yeah, well, the week after tax guy always
comes in when you have to pay taxes on or not.
Like if you're making a difference based on if you're
making a choice based on taxes the million dollars, Like

(01:37:36):
you guys are all relative, like you're if you were
seventy year years old, I'd be like, okay, Like you've
got enough money to last the rest of your life.
A million dollars is not going to mean that you
never have to work again, right, Like, I mean, if
you if you have a million dollars, you can, let's say,
best case scenario, you can make a comfortable six and

(01:37:56):
a half percent on that are eight sixty five thousand
dollars without touching the principle if you have kids, and
if you have a mortgage, and if you've got obligations,
like I don't know. I mean, there are a lot
of people who would say, yeah, sixty five dollars sounds fine.
I don't think it's that easy to live on sixty
five I don't think so. In other words, to me,

(01:38:17):
in order to change your life, you have to have
a dollar figure where you're like, I've got enough money,
I never have to To me, it's like ten million,
ten million dollars, Like then you have plenty of money
to do pretty much anything you want for the rest
of your life. If you get ten million dollars in
a lump sum, a million dollars, I'm still showing up
and doing my radio show, I'm still doing my writing,

(01:38:38):
I'm still doing TV. Like that doesn't really change my
life very much. So to me, ten million dollars might
so maybe ten like I just but I'm not willing
to risk my life for I need to see the percentages,
like what percentage of these canoes are getting flipped? I'm
terrified by this is like my worst nightmare. All right,

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he's going to join us right now? Is that right? Boys? Yes,
Richard Sherman is with us. He's San Francisco forty niner.
And uh, we know you're a member of the forty
Niners now, Richard. But you guys just played against your

(01:41:47):
former team. What was it like going up against the
Seahawks after all the time you spent there? It was cool.
It was cool getting to see you know, all the
all the friend um that I have, their um you know,
the staff obviously I was really close with um. You know.
Seeing the stands, you know, it's always great. I always
get a lot of love in the stadium. Those stands

(01:42:08):
always the phenomenal over the years, and you know, just unfortunate.
The game didn't go the way we wanted to, like
we needed to. But overall, you know, were you are
you at any point I know you're still playing, but
are you at any point in the time in your
career where you're reflective? I mean, when you go back
into the stadium to play in Seattle? Uh, did it

(01:42:30):
feel nostalgic? I mean, you know, as you age, sometimes
you look back as much as you look forward. Do
you fill yourself in that part of your career yet? No? No,
I'm not. I'm not quite there yet. You know, maybe
in a two years I'll be uh taking a big
exhale when I'm using leaps up and I'd say, then,

(01:42:51):
you know, send some cool tough there. You know, obviously
have a home in Seattle and go back there all
the time. But I'm not, I'm not quite at that
point in my career. It What what do you think
about the transition from Seattle to San Francisco. Obviously the
injury to Jimmy Garoppolo has made it hard to figure
out exactly what this team might have been like if
they've been able to stay healthy at the quarterback position

(01:43:12):
and elsewhere. What has it felt like to you this
year playing for the forty Niners. How has it gone
from your perspective as you come up on the final
four games of the year. It's it's been it's been
difficult to injuries um um and having continuity week to week,
especially with a young team that's really important. So um,
obviously it's you know, the part I've been focusing on

(01:43:36):
just making sure my body is ready every week. That's
something that's been positive for me this season is that, um,
each week, my body has gotten a little bit better
and a little healthy here and low stronger, um. And
that's something that I've I've taken ticket solten. Did you
watch Monday night football between the Redskins and the Eagles?

(01:43:57):
Did you watch that at all? I did not get
a chance go out. Yeah, So the Redskins now have
had two quarterbacks with broken legs, Alex Smith, and now
with Colt McCoy, they're down to Mark Sanchez. If you
were running the Washington Redskins franchise, is there any doubt
in your mind that you'd call Colin Kaepernick can get

(01:44:17):
him into camp and see whether or not he can
go for the final four weeks? Not? None, If I'm
making purely football decisions, No, nothing, nothing that any of
these teams that have lost their starting quarterback would have
done unless they have run an entirely complicated offense. And
don't think that bringing a quarterback in at this point
would would would help him. But I think that the

(01:44:39):
decision not to sign College Kaepernick isn't entirely football related.
I don't think it's related to call at all, because
if you're making football decisions, you don't fign those other
guys over col Kaepernick. You know he has a because
at his peak, he's played better in every quarterback that's
probably been sunned last two or three months. However, he

(01:45:01):
hasn't gotten the opportunity to show what he can he
can do. These huge quarterbacks have one and lost games
and and played up and down their entire careers, and um,
I definitely think that he's been he's been frozen out
of the league. And um, I think at this point
it's become pretty obvious to everyone what's going on when

(01:45:22):
you see a guy like Ruben Foster, who obviously can
have many off the field related incidents, and the Washington
Redskins are comfortable claiming him on waivers but and maybe
they'll change their mind. Maybe and now that they've got
two quarterbacks down, but they're not willing to go and
pursue Colin Kaepernick. What does that say to you in
your mind as an NFL player? It says that that

(01:45:45):
in some situations, football decision outweighs um other issues and
in other situations, the football move, regardless of his the
best move available, doesn't outweigh the other issues that they
think are out there. Are the other stances, are the
other agreements that they have out there with other other teams,

(01:46:08):
because it seems like that's the only thing, Like they're
not even most of these teams aren't even looking at it,
Like Colin Kaepernick is an option at quarterback on in
sixteen through a thousand interceptions and that's not the player
he was. Is that frustrating as a guy in a
locker room to feel like at times teams are willing

(01:46:30):
to do whatever they can to get guys in the
locker room and other times they aren't. I mean, it's
it's it's it's more disappointing because that guy, he's a
he's a good player and he's a good person. He
deserves play. Um if the if the guy has done
something that ess was morally wrong and just against the law,
and you can understand, you can understand what blave teams

(01:46:51):
were chot away from boat has something that he believed in.
Is incredibly disappointed, all right. The reason why I'm asking
you on the side of trying to think about management
for a change is because you are doing something that
I think is actually pretty cool, the Fan controlled Football League.
You and Marshawn Lynch both are fan captains and minority
owners of new individual teams. What does that mean? What

(01:47:15):
are you guys gonna do? What should I know about it?
What I mean? We're big shots now, you know, you
know we're first, we know we have to go to
different meetings and and moving difference now and now getting Uh.
It's just a really cool concept that that I was
interested in in and obviously Marshal was interested in and

(01:47:35):
um there are a few other co captains that will
be announce at a later time. But it's something that's
really cool that allows the fans to get involved and
in making decisions UM regards to their team, all the
way down to the personnelity decisions, UM logos, team names,
even the plays that are around the field. I think

(01:47:57):
that it it just gives us saying something really cool,
cool concept and it's in vegas um that I think
we will be attractive and fun for the people to
be involved in. Richard Sherman, will you send Russell Wilson
a Christmas card? Will I send him a Christmas card? Yeah?
He on the Christmas cards in the eight years, right, right,

(01:48:20):
I don't think i've received going or said once? Uh
and quite. When's the last time you guys texted H
three years ago? Way? Three or four years ago? Oh?
Actually actually after I after I got released. We take
a little bit. Okay, So, so when you went back
to Seattle, did you guys have any interaction at all?
Because a lot of the talk when you went back

(01:48:41):
to Seattle was about how you would interact with Russell
Wilson and everything else. What would you say about your
relationship with him now that you guys have played again
four games left in the season. What kind of relationship,
if any of you guys have. That's that's when people
people I mean, I think I've already answered that question.
People people ticket you know, and went up with it
because that's you know, that's what sensationalism does. You know.

(01:49:03):
It's like we're we're on the same team, you know,
we we we we interact, we we shipped shipped up
before the game said hey, but I mean at the
end of the day, like any other job, you've got
co workers and it's like, hey, do you talk to
every one of your co workers and send them Christmas
cards and beat up with him for drinks all they
don't note. You know, you have guys that you're close.

(01:49:25):
If you have guys that you talked to all the time,
and then you have guys that that you don't communicate
with as much, you know, it doesn't make you still teammates.
You still you know, go for the same calls and
and they're out there. But I think people make a
lot over nothing. But you know, I guess that's the
way of the world. Now, what about Pete Carroll? Do
you miss playing for Pete Carroll in anyway? What was

(01:49:45):
it like when you guys were rolling with Pete Carroll
as your coach? Pizza Pizza of a real fun coach
to play for you, just a real fun personality and
always you know, optimistic and and playing jokes and and
pranks and things like that. You know, he's probably the
youngest whatever six year old out there, and he's he's good. Richard,

(01:50:08):
appreciate the time. Good luck with your your new franchise
and uh and hanging out in Vegas and hopefully win
some championships as an owner. I can't wait. Thank you.
Very much. That's uh, Richard Sermon. Appreciate him getting up
early with a San Francisco forty nine er. UM. I
want to expand on some of the questions I asked

(01:50:30):
him there. When we come back for the final segment,
I am going to tell you what I would do
if I was Washington Redskin owner Daniel Snyder and why
I think the risk reward on it would be brilliant.
It involves Colin Kaepernick, it involves Kareem Hunt, and it
involves Ruben Foster. I will share it with you next

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where prohibited. UM, we just talked with Richard Sherman. He
was talking about the Colin Kaepernick story. And I got

(01:51:37):
a blockbuster idea for you that I'm about to share.
But let me begin that blockbuster idea by telling you
something I think is important. I got a call two
days ago, and on that call, somebody was calling me
from We bought a beach place down in Rosemary Beach
in Florida, Gulf Coast. Right love it down there, Absolutely fantastic.

(01:51:57):
Our places brand new. Got a call from a broker
and he said, Hey, I've got somebody who was interested
in buying your place. He said, is it for sale?
It's an interesting question. My answer, what do you think?
My answer was? My answer is it's not listed. But
everything that I own is for sale. There is a

(01:52:19):
price that I will sell any possession that I own
to someone else. I love the house that we have
right now that we live in full time. If somebody
knocked on the door and offered me several hundred thousand
dollars more than I think my house is worth, I
would probably sell it and move to another house. Because

(01:52:40):
everything has a value in my life of possessions. And
so I said to that real estate agent who called.
I said, yeah, look, it's not for sale, but if
your client wants to buy my place down in Florida
and wants to make an offer on it, I'll consider
it because I'll sell anything if the price is right.

(01:53:01):
And I think that's the way you have to live
in life. If you are a logical, reasonable person, you
have to be open to making deals when the deals
benefit you. That's what I'm thinking of when I give
you this idea. Dan Snyder has been the owner of
the Washington Redskins for twenty years. He has been a

(01:53:24):
thoroughly mediocre owner of the Washington Redskins. He has been
dragged over the coals. He has been repeatedly criticized. He
has been reviled in the Washington, d C. Area. I know,
I went to college there. I pay a lot of
attention to the d C radio and media markets. He
has been crushed for a generation in Washington, d C.

(01:53:48):
He just signed Reuben Foster and they had that awkward
discussion about Reuben Foster on Monday Night Football two days ago,
and he got ripped again, and everybody he has signed
up to tee off on Dan Snyder saying, my god,
what in the world could he be doing. Why would
you sign Reuben Foster? And I think there's probably a

(01:54:09):
strong defense on the signing of Reuben Foster. And I
think that defense is that the woman who has accused
him of domestic violence is a known liar and maybe
lying again. That's what I would say. You can believe
some women, you don't believe all women, just like you
can believe some men, you don't believe all men. You

(01:54:30):
got to investigate every case. You can't rely on believing
somebody because of their race, or their sex, or their gender,
or their sexual orientation, or their religion or anything else.
Trust but verify is what every lawyer would tell you
who's ever done an investigation of any case. Okay, what
could Dan Snyder do in one move to erase twenty

(01:54:53):
years of media ridicule and turn himself into the man
of the year. He could sign Colin Kaepernick. If I
were advising Dan Snyder right now the same way that
I said, you know what, I love my house in Florida.
I don't want to sell it. I love my house
in Nashville, Tennessee, where I live now. I don't want

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to sell it. But if the market was right and
somebody made me an offer that I thought exceeded the
value on the market of my house by a substantial amount.
I would sell either one of them and I would
go by a new one, and I would take advantage
of that offer and take advantage of the opportunity that
had presented itself to me. Right now, I think Dan

(01:55:37):
Snyder has an incredible opportunity. If Dan Snyder went and
signed Colin Kaepernick, nobody would crush question him for signing
Reuben Foster ever again for the rest of his life.
And if Dan Snyder signed Colin Kaepernick, he would be
able to do something else. He'd be able to go
sign Kareem Hunt. Right now, he would be able to

(01:55:59):
go sign Kareem Hunt as well, and he could sign
all three of those guys, and he could say the
Washington Redskins is the franchise that begins and believes in
fresh starts. And you know what, it wouldn't even matter
if Colin Kaepernick started one of those final four games,
because you know what, with Mark Sanchez right now, you
have virtually no chance to make the playoffs. And if

(01:56:22):
you made the playoffs, you have virtually no chance of
actually winning a game. I have no idea how Colin
Kaepernick would play, but I know the risk reward is
definitely slanted in your favor. If you are Dan Snyder
and you make that move. Worst case scenario, you bring
in Colin Kaepernick, You put him on the field, He

(01:56:43):
stinks for the final three or four games of the season,
and nobody is able to say the reason why Colin
Kaepernick isn't being signed is because of his politics. You
tried him out onto the field in Washington, d c.
And either he leads you into the playoffs and he's
infinitely better than you could have ever hoped for, or
he's not very good and at the end of the

(01:57:05):
season you wash your hands of him, and you go
back in the NFL draft and your draft a quarterback,
and you then, for the rest of your life as
an owner, are branded as a guy who will give
players chances, even if those players might have done things
that made other people not willing to give them chances.
You go get Kareem Hunt. You bring him back next

(01:57:26):
year as a running back. He looks pretty good alongside
of Darius Guys who is recovering from a torn a
c L. You get Ruben Foster worked out you put
your security with him, you get him to get his
life straightened out. He's got first round talent at linebacker,
and maybe if Colin Kaepernick's actually decent. You've got two
quarterbacks with broken legs, and you then have found a

(01:57:49):
quarterback who can be a building block as you wait
to go and hand the reins to your first round quarterback.
Tell me this isn't brilliant. Life is about seeing opportunity
and grabbing it when the opportunity is there. It's about
assessing risk and assessing reward, and when the risk is

(01:58:11):
low and the reward is high, you strike. I believe
right now, with two quarterbacks with broken legs, Dan Snyder
can say, look, we didn't anticipate signing Colin Kaepernick, but
Alex Smith broke his leg, and then Cold McCoy broke
his leg, and then we brought in Mark Sanchez, and
our offense was awful. We had absolutely no chance to

(01:58:31):
make plays. We need a dynamic play banker at the
quarterback position. The only one available on the free agent
market right now that has any possibility of leading us
into the playoffs is Colin Kaepernick. The other guys that
are out there are so incredibly bad that there is

(01:58:51):
no value whatsoever to having any of those other guys.
The other quarterbacks that are available out there right now
are total trash. These are the guys that are available
right now on the open market e J Manuel T.
J Yates, Kellen Clemens, Josh Johnson, Nathan Peterman, anybody there,

(01:59:12):
Matt Moore, Paxton Lynch. Any of those guys gonna lead
to Washington Redskins in the playoffs. Zero percent chance you,
by signing Colin Kaepernick, would free yourself up to sign
Ruben Foster and Kareem Hunt, two guys that could be
really good. Nobody's gonna pay attention to those signings because

(01:59:33):
they're all gonna focus on Colin Kaepernick. If somebody asked
you about it, you can say, at the Washington Redskins,
we believe in fresh starts for talented people. We do
our own investigations. We believe in second, third, and fourth chances.
And maybe Colin Kaepernick doesn't want to come work for you,
you still publish the fact that you have made him
an offer. And in one fell swoop, I think Dan

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Snyder would go from one of the most hated owners
in the history of the NFL to one of the
most beloved owners in the history of the NFL, and
he wouldn't cost himself anything. Much of life is seeing
opportunity grabbing it at the right time. The price on
Colin Kaepernick is so low that there's no risk in

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signing him. You've already gone and got Reuben Foster and
gotten criticized for it. That story disappears. You could also
go grab Kareem Hunt. If I am Dan Snyder, That's
what I'm doing. Fortune favors the bold. You don't end
up a billionaire without taking some chances. The benefit is
all in Dan Snyder taking Colin Kaepernick right now. It

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would allow him to snag Kareem Hunt as well, and
nobody would criticize it. That is the kind of move
that a brilliant owner would make. This is out kate.
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