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of stories to dive into. After a weekend of college
football and after a weekend of the NFL, we start
with Sunday Night football, as we frequently do for those
of you who may have gone to sleep or didn't
really finish it off. The Minnesota Vikings got a much

(01:07):
needed win in the NFC North, and they came close.
I know the Packers don't have a very difficult remaining schedule,
but they came very close to eliminating Aaron Rodgers and
the Green Bay Packers from playoff contention. The Packers fall
to four six and one with the twenty four to
seventeen defeat. The Minnesota Vikings climb to six four and one,

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bouncing back after the tough loss on the road against
the Chicago Bears on Sunday Night Football. The Bears control
of the division. It feels like a long time ago, uh,
since the Bears one on the early game against the
Detroit Lions on Thanksgiving. But the Bears now sitting at
eight and three. They are five and one at home

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and down the stretch. They have a substantial lead in
the NFC North, but the Minnesota Vikings at least served
notice that they potentially could stay in that race in
the NFC North. Aaron Rodgers, Mike McCarthy, lots of questions
about what's going to happen with those guys going forward.
Here is what it sounded like when Kirk Cousins through
the winning touchdown past the Minnesota Vikings win seventeen here

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was Cousins final touchdown pass that won the game. Kurt
rolls out to the right. He can run for a
bunch of he wants it, but he pros cot fling
at the five right touchdown. That is I'm assuming the
Minnesota Vikings radio network, we are going to go through
now everything that happened in the NFL. I'll try and
get you set for all that will transpire. But again,

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the Sunday Night Football big takeaway is the Mike McCarthy
and Aaron Rodgers relationship over. It might well be unless
the Packers can get on a hot streak and really
win out and then get some hope to make it
in as a wild card team. They've got the Cardinals,
who are awful coming to green Bay. That should be
a win. Let's be honest. The Packers a couple of

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touchdown favorites in that game. Then the Falcons come to
green Bay. The Falcons seem to have mailed things in
with with everything that has happened to them so far.
They had there maybe the last stand against the Saints
on Thanksgiving Night and they lost the pack The Falcons
are sitting at four and seven. Uh. Then the Packers
go on the road at the Bears. I think that's
effectively going to be the game where the Packers season

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comes falling down around them, because I think the Bears
are gonna win, although Aaron Rodgers obviously has had a
lot of success in Chicago. Then the Jets are awful,
they're trying to lock up a high round draft pick.
You would think the Jets will lose. And then the
Lions come to Green Bay to finish off the season.
So the Packers do have a very favorable see the
schedule remaining, but nine six and one probably probably not

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good enough to uh to make the playoffs. The Minnesota Vikings,
by the way, where my Super Bowl pick before the
season started. Vikings get a big win to get to
six four and one. They really needed it because they
go on the road now against the Patriots. You have
to assume the Vikings are gonna lose that game. Although
the Patriots they weren't that great against the Jets. We'll
talk about them in a little bit. Then the Vikings
go on the road against the Seahawks. Yikes. Uh, those

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are two really difficult games back to back. Seahawks got
a big win on the road against the Panthers, so
the Vikings had to win this game as well. I
really don't feel that strong about the Vikings playoff chances either,
because then the Dolphins, Okay, maybe Tannehill will eventually be back.
We'll see what happens there. Then they go on the
road against the Lions. Uh. Then the Bears come to
town to finish the Vikings with a really difficult closing five.

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So that is the Sunday night football game. What about
the rest of the NFL games? What did we learn
over the weekend? Well, we'll start Thanksgiving because we didn't
do a show. I hope you guys had fabulous Thanksgivings,
a good long weekend. Everybody got rested up, ate a
lot of turkey, had a good time, got some naps. Uh.
The Bears beat the Lions on Thanksgiving in the early game.

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Then the Cowboys now in first place, first place, Dallas Cowboys,
sounds crazy to say. Uh, took care of the Redskins,
and the Saints took down the Falcons. I think the
Saints are the best team in the NFL right now.
I think the Saints of those games, I think the
Saints are in better position than anybody else in the NFL.
I think they are the best team. And interestingly enough, Thursday,

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just a couple of days from now, it's a pretty
good game. Saints going on the road against the Dallas Cowboys.
The Cowboys look like they have control right now of
the NFC East, but we'll see what happens in that game.
Then the Saints go on the road get a revenge
game against the Bucks. I feel good about the Saints
getting that game. Uh. Saints then go on the road
against the Panthers, who are suddenly uh losers of three

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straight and uh they close out with the Steelers and
uh the Panthers again, both at home in New Orleans.
I feel pretty good right now. I have a future
sticket on the New Orleans Saints. I think they are
the best team in all of the NFL. The Cowboys,
I said there in first place in the NFC East.
I think they will lose on Thursday against the Saints. Uh.

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And then you look at the rest of their schedule, though,
and you don't necessarily feel like, you know what, that's
a that's four that the Cowboys can win, even assuming
they lose to the Saints. They got the Eagles coming
to town, which is an elimination game for the Eagles
could be for first place, by the way in the
NFC East, depending on what happens. Then they've got to
go on the road against the Colts. The newly resurgent
Colts weren't as good against the Dolphins, but found a

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way to get a win. Colts sitting at six and five.
Then the Bucks, uh, they're awful, and then the the
Giants are basically mailing it in. So Cowboys, you do
feel pretty good about the NFC East. That's a reaction
to what happened on Thursday with the Thanksgiving Day games?
What about everything else? Bucks get a win over the
forty Niners, most irrelevant game in the NFL on Sunday, Uh,

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not very important one way or the other. The Patriots,
you know what, just not They didn't look Patriots like
against the Jets, even though they won by a couple
of touchdowns. I expected them to come out and be
more dominant. Offense. Looked okay, but you're going into late
in the third quarter in its high aim with the Jets.
I just I didn't feel like the Patriots took the

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next step coming off a bye week and looked phenomenal.
Having said that Patriots are eight and three and they
are the the team to beat as always in the
NFC East. They've basically locked up the NFC East for
another season, and down the stretch, we'll see how they do.
That Patriots Steelers game UH close to Christmas is looming

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as a massive, massive game for them because the Patriots
finished out, they only got five games left, and they
finish out with the Bills and the Jets at home
in Foxborough, and UH, that's just UH, I don't know,
I just don't see a lot of of difficulty on
this schedule. I think there's a good chance that potentially
the the by the number two seed overall comes down

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to that game against the Steelers in Pittsburgh. Still feel
good about the Chiefs, the way they looked even in
defeat UH most recently against the Rams. I think the
Chiefs you have to be pretty optimistic about them being
able to grab home field advantage in UH. In the
a f C, all right, the the Giants and the Eagles.
Giants get up big, have a chance to officially put

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a a bullet in the Eagle season. Can't quite do it.
The Eagles staying alive in the NFC East of the
Ravens Lamar Jackson. It's it's intriguing to think about what
he's capable of. The Raiders continue to be awful, but
Lamar Jackson is such an intriguing player. I tend to
feel like when you look at his overall performance, I

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tend to feel like Lamar Jackson is not going to
be able to maintain what he is doing right now.
He's not even playing that well in the passing game
fourteen and twenty five a hundred and seventy eight yards,
but he had more success running the football. He only
had eleven carries this week, but eleven carries for seventy
one yards. The Ravens they needed to win two in

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a row at home, and they have done it. Now
we'll find out whether or not they're legitimate playoff contenders.
They go on the road against the Falcons, we don't
feel like the Falcon and to have a very good defense,
and then they go on the road against the Chiefs.
So over the next couple of weeks we'll see what
transpires there. But the Ravens with Lamar Jackson certainly an
entertaining team to watch. We'll see whether NFL defenses get

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a read on what Lamar Jackson can do. I always
say that when you're a rookie quarterback, if you come
out and you play decently early. It's hard to prepare
for a rookie quarterback because there's not a lot of
tape on them. And then as all these mad geniuses
in the NFL start to break down all the tape,
they say, oh, you know what, maybe Lamar Jackson will
make him do this. He seemed to have a little

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bit of failure with this level of his game, and
eventually they figure out what you don't do well and
they make you do it over and over and over again.
I'm not sure the NFL defenses have enough tape yet
on Lamar Jackson, but I would think down the stretch,
depending on how long he's gonna be the quarterback, eventually
that will occur. Uh, the Bill's gotta win over the Jags.

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The Jacks have completely fallen apart. I don't know if
you guys saw the Leonard four net fight getting kicked
out of the game. This has to be driving Tom
Coughlin crazy. The the the Jags have lost. This is wild.
It's hard to remember now, but the Jags were at
one point sitting at three and one, coming off a
huge win over the New England Patriots, and everybody was

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talking about the Jags as legitimate Super Bowl contenders. Maybe
they're the best team in the a f C. Since then,
they have lost seven games in a row. The Bill
is not very good, but Josh Allen, who got insulted
in the off season by Jalen Ramsey, gets his revenge
uh with a fourteen yard run in the fourth quarter.
Bills beat the Jags, and the Jags I I don't

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know what the solution is gonna be for the Jags,
all right, But the Jags now are sitting at three
and eight. It feels like they basically have mailed the
season in. UH. They've got a couple of division games
coming up against the Colts and the Titans. Uh, then
they go on the road against the Redskins. I mean,
their season is over. But the question I think that's

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hanging out here, and I think it's a good one,
is what's Tom Coughlin gonna do about the Jacks. It
seems clear that Blake Bortles is not the answer for Jacksonville.
I think if there's anybody out there who is still
a yeah, Blake Bortles can be a high level quarterback
in this league. He was twelve or twenty three for
a hundred and twenty seven yards with two two I

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n t s against the Bills. I mean, as bad
as Josh Allen has been, Josh Allen outperformed Blake Bortles
at quarterback. Leonard four Nette undisciplined enough to get kicked
out of the game even though he's the offensive heavyweight.
UH for Jacksonville. This has to be driving Tom Coughlin crazy.
I would expect for there to be a certain level

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of house cleaning in the off season for the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Probably gonna finish five and eleven, four and twelve, something
like that down the stretch. This is an ugly, ugly
team that has completely fallen apart a year after we
thought this is a young team that can go after
the Super Bowl. The Jags completely falling apart the Bills,

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it's hard to have much of a read of what
they're capable of. Josh Allen was not very good one
seventy five yard touchdown passing, mad over a hundred yards rushing.
He's athletic, but ultimately athletic quarterbacks don't get it done.
In the NFL. You have to prove that you can
be a pocket passer, gotta be a that third down
converter on some level. But four and seven. The Bills

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aren't incredibly awful. The Jags are incredibly awful. Seven straight defeats.
I don't know how that ends. The Seahawks, I don't
know how this ends either. It looked like the Panthers
were in great shape. They were sitting at six and two.
Cam Newton was having an m v P caliber season.
Christian McCaffrey is still playing at a very high level.
So is Cam Newton, who performed at a high level again.

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But the Seahawks go on the road and get the
Carolina Panthers. The Panthers have now lost three games in
a row, and a season that seemed like it had
so much optimism as a return to glory season for
Cam Newton and the Panthers, they now are up against
it in terms of being able to make the playoffs.

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They really probably need to go four and one down
the stretch. Lots of division games still to come. They've
got to play the Saints twice in the final three
weeks of the season. Maybe the best thing they could
have going for them is that the final week of
the season, the Saints might have already locked up home
field advantage. But man, uh, this is not a particularly

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easy schedule down the stretch. When you're sitting at six
and five, If you figure that you're not gonna beat
the Saints, that drops you all the way to best
case scenario nine and seven. Nine and seven probably not
gonna be good enough to make the playoffs, so they
we'll see exactly what happens. Meanwhile, if you're the Seahawks,
you gotta be ecstatic. This team is coming around. Gets

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a big win on the road against the Panthers. Graham
Gano made a sixty three yard or earlier this season.
Now is kicking has started to desert? Uh, the Carolina Panthers.
There is in close games. This was I thought one
of the most intriguing games of the day, even though, uh,
it's probably not a game that's gonna matter very much
in the grand scheme of things. Hugh Jackson can't win

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with the Cleveland Browns gets fired. I thought this was
an indefensible move on behalf of Hugh Jackson. You cannot
go to work for another team after you got fired
during the season and become an offensive coordinator ish for
the Cincinnati Bengals and coach against your former team. That

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just violates to me all precepts of football. And Baker
Mayfield said as much. He said, he can't stand in
the locker room and encourage us to play as hard
as we can for you, and then in the same
season go coach against us. Well, Hugh Jackson got his
ass kicked by Baker Mayfield and the Cleveland Browns, and
Baker Mayfield was phenomenal. Baker Mayfield two of the best

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games back to back for raid rookie. It's been a
long off season of about twenty years. It feels like
searching or more searching for a quarterback for the Cleveland Browns.
Baker Mayfield may finally be the answer. And I'm coming
around on how good Baker Mayfield has been. I don't
know if you've been watching him play, how you could
not the performance that he put forward nineteen and twenty six,

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four touchdowns over a hundred and forty passer rating after
going over a hundred and forty last week too. The Browns,
dare we say it actually a pretty decent football team.
They get to win. The Bengals fall to five and six,
the Bengals falling out of the playoff race. I think
injury to Andy Dalton, Marvin Lewis is never gonna get

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fired because evidently he's never going to be fired by
owned by the ownership there in Cincinnati. He would have
been fired years ago if he were actually gonna be
held to a high standard. But I thought the postgame
UH refusal of Baker Mayfield to give Hugh Jackson a hug,
if you haven't seen that video, that's phenomenal. How about
Hugh Jackson getting given the interception ball. This was a

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team that was fired up to go against their former coach.
I don't know how you bounce back if you're Hugh
Jackson from the beat down that they took. That was
an utter, utter embarrassment for the Cincinnati Bengals. For Hugh
Jackson to get whipped by the team that wasn't good
enough to win while he was there. This is UH,
I think becoming a pretty fun team to watch in

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the Cleveland Browns and for next season as Baker Mayfield
continues to show so much, so many flashes of brilliance.
I don't think there's any doubt that Baker Mayfield has
been the best rookie quarterbacks so far among all of
the draft picks, making John Dorsey and the Cleveland Browns
look like genius is so far is Baker Mayfield. I
know it's earlier, early, but he's been a lot better

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than josh Allen. He's been better than Sam Donald, He's
been better than Lamar Jackson, He's been better than Joshu
Rosen so far. The rookie quarterback debate being won by
Baker Mayfield, who may end up giving a run at
se Kwan Barkley for overall Rookie of the Year. Charge
is get a win. Philip Rivers virtually fantastic. Chargers now

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surged to eight and three. They're not that far back.
May surprise a lot of people. Not that far back
in the a f C West. Right now, Philip Rivers
having the best game of his career. He was twenty
five for twenty five at one point against the Arizona Cardinals,
just putting on an offensive clinic. He and uh Drew

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Brees both older guys that are posting the best seasons
of their career. In fact, I think Philip Rivers would
be a bigger story were it not for how good
Drew Brees has been and the fact that Drew Brees has, basically,
assuming he stays healthy, walked up the the NFL m
v P so far on the season. The Colts mentioned
him earlier. They continue to roll. They've gotten to six
and five. My guy sal On lock It in the

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television show that I Do took him at twenty one
when he looked at the rest of their schedule. Is
it possible that the Colts could run the table? That
might sound like a crazy question, but here's what the
Colts have left in the final five. The Jags. The
Jags seem like they basically have quit. We'll see whether
or not that continues. The Colts could go on the
road beat the Jags and Jacksonville. We'll see what happens there.

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The Texans, the Colts are every bit as good as
the Texans. Uh. The Texans, by the way, obviously played
a night against the Titans, big game for them. If
the Texans could win to get to eight and three,
that would effectively grab control of that division completely. Would
also kick the Titans down the standings quite a bit.
On the flip side, if the Titans could go on
the road and beat the Texans. Titans get to six

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and five Texans seven and four. Everything is opened down
the stretch in that race. By the way, the Colts
then go host the Cowboys. That's a tough game, but
certainly a winnable game. Then they get the Giants, very
winnable game there, and then the Colts go on the
road against the Titans to finish the season. Could that
be a monumental game in either the division race or

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the a f C wild Cards. Certainly, and you'd have
to feel good about that if you are the Colts,
because Andrew luck is tenan oh against the Tennessee Titans,
he owns the Tennessee Titans. Uh, that could be a
massive game to to finish off the season. And finally
the Steelers. My argument is here, we have only really
three good teams in the NFL, three good teams that

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you can rely on weekend and week out in the
NFL as we come up on completing the eleventh game
of the season. Those are the New Orleans Saints, the
Kansas City Chiefs, and the l A Rams. Otherwise, the
other twenty nine teams in the NFL have all given
you a reason not to believe in them. In other words,

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there is as much of a reason not to believe
in the other twenty nine. Yes, I'm including the Steelers,
who lost, which is why I'm putting them there. The
Broncos have bounced back and put themselves into potentially Wildcard
contention with a couple of wins for Vance Joseph over
two really good teams. They beat the Chargers, and now
they've beating the Broncos. Now they've beaten the Steelers and

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back to back weeks, and both of those teams, now
the Chargers and the Steelers have given you reasons not
to believe in them. Maybe you could believe in the
Patriots historically. I think if you look at what they've
done on the field, the losses that the Patriots have
posted have given your reason not to believe in them.
Certainly on the road, the Patriots have not been the
same team by and large, got absolutely destroyed by the Titans,

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lost to the Jags. I'm not necessarily buying in, and
certainly to the the Lions as well. All three of
those performances not that good. You know that the Patriots
are unlikely to get home field advantage although we'll see
what happens in the final five weeks of the season.
At some point they're gonna have to go on the
road and leave Foxborough, and they have not been that
impressive on the road so far this season. All Right,

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that is the rundown of the NFL, breaking down every game,
giving you my impressions of everything that took place in
the NFL yesterday. When we return, I'll dive into college football.
Urban Meyer destroys Jim Harbaugh. What did it tell us
about the college football play picture? I will break all
that down for you. This is Outkicked the coverage. Appreciate

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car insurance. On the guy goes scoreboard from the NFL
Sunday Night Vikings over the Packers twenty four to seventeen.
Minnesota now six four and one. With that win Kirk
Cousins their quarterback at three or forty three yards passing
and three touchdowns. Green Bay now four six and one
with the loss in oh and six on the road
this year. In the late action, Broncos beat the Steelers seventeen.
Pittsburgh six game winning streak was snapped. Chargers over the

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Cardinals forty five to ten. L A improves to eight
and three, and quarterback Philip Rivers completed his first twenty
five passes of the game, finished twenty eight of twenty
nine passing with three scores. Colts over the Dolphins four.
Indianapolis wins it on the last second field goal. They've
won five straighter now six and five on the year.
Andrew Luck three touchdown passes for the eighth straight game.
Early games. Broncos excuse me have Browns beat the Bengals Cleveland,

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stepping in twenty five game road losing streak in Baker
Mayfield had four touchdown passes for Cleveland. Seahawks on the
last second field goal beat the Panthers thirty twenty sevenths
Carolinas for his home loss of the year. Eagle's gonna
last second field going to meet the Giants twenty two
Patriots or eight and three. They beat the Jets twenty
seven to thirteen. Tom Brady two eighty three yards passing.
He passes Peyton Manning for the most passing yards all time.

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Ravens over the Raiders thirty four to seventeen. Lamar Jackson
now two and oh as a starting quarter right for Baltimore.
He had a touchdown pass and a touchdown run Builds
over the Jaguars one. That's seven straight lost for Jacksonville.
Josh Allen backer quarterback for Buffalo. He had a TV
pass and a TD run, and the Buccaneers beat the
fort Nighters twenty seven and nine. Nuts now oh and
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seven auto. The only hard part figuring out which way
is easier. Listen mostly because it happens rarely. I was wrong.
I believed in the Michigan Wolverines and Jim Harbaugh, and
I was wrong. I believed in their defense and I
was wrong. I believed that they were an elite team

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in college football, and I was wrong. Sometimes games occur
and you have to go back and re examine everything
that you believed about a team or a program. If
Michigan had gone out and they had lost seventeen to
fourteen to Ohio State in a hard fought, close football game,
I would have said, you know what, Ohio State got

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the better of them. But I don't really feel that
much differently than I did about Michigan football before that
game actually took place. The way that Ohio State picked apart,
decimated and destroyed Michigan, to me, convinces me that I
was wrong about the Wolverines all season long, that they

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were in fact a paper tiger, That they were not
and are not anything other than maybe a top twenty
five team. I don't even think Michigan's a top ten team.
I think this is about the overall weakness of the
Big Ten, with the way that they got beat down.
When you allow sixty two points and you enter into

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this game as the number one defense in college football.
Something is not adding up. The answer is, Michigan was
never a number one defense. Ohio State made him look slow,
they made him look undisciplined, they made him look thoroughly average.
And so you go back and you look. Now, I

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think this is what you have to do in the
wake of what we saw happen in the game between
Michigan and Ohio State. You have to go back and
you have to look at Michigan's overall schedule and what
do you uncover? Effectively, Michigan played a lot of really
bad offensive teams all season long and built up a

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a a a colossal house in the clouds of a
defense that had no foundation and would have been exposed
on an incredibly drastic degree if they had actually made
the college football playoff. Oklahoma might have scored a hundred
points on them. Alabama would have never stopped running up

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and down the field. Clemson, Georgia, all of the other
teams that right now we are considering as college football
playoff teams would have exposed and embarrassed the Michigan Wolverines.
Jim Harbaugh doesn't have that good of a defense. He
had a great schedule. Remember, they lost a Notre Dame

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in week oneted this season, and they lost a Brandon
Wimbush before Notre Dame even went to ian book. Who's
the best quarterback that Michigan played all season? You go
back and look at their schedule. There weren't any offenses
at all on that Michigan schedule. The best quarterback they

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played all year was Trace mcsortley from Penn State. In fact,
you can argue pretty soundly the only team that Michigan
has played all year that's any good that they beat
was Penn State. That's literally the only team. I mean,
when you go back and look at this Michigan schedule,

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now you definitely have to re examine it in light
of everything that happened against Ohio State, and I think
you have to go back and look and say, man,
Michigan got to play against a lot of really mediocre
to bad quarterbacks. When they played a decent team against
Notre Dame, they lost. When they played a decent team
against Ohio State, they got run. The only decent team

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that Michigan played all season and beat was Penn State.
It's the only Top twenty five win right now they
have on the entire year. We thought it was a
big statement when when they beat Wisconsin. Wisconsin is awful.
The Big Ten as a group only has right now

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three teams that are in the in the rankings in
the Big Ten East, and I'm not even really counting
the Big Ten West because Northwestern is there, but Northwestern
is thoroughly mediocre. They lost Akron. Northwestern almost beat Michigan too.
Remember they were up seventeen to nothing on that game.

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We were like, oh, maybe it was just Michigan didn't
come ready to play. No, maybe Michigan's just kind of
like Northwestern. They're somewhere around the twenty best team in
college football, and we got bamboozled into believing that they
were a top team. If anything, if you're a Wolverine fan,
at least you didn't get humiliated in the College Football Playoff,

(28:57):
you got humiliated by Ohio State instead. I still don't
think Ohio State is that good. I think there's somewhere
around the ten to fifteen best team in college football,
but I think there are a lot better than Michigan.
I think that's what you have to take away from
that performance. I mean We're talking about an Ohio State
team that gave up forty nine to Purdue, a six

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and six perdue team, and lost by twenty nine to them.
We're talking about an Ohio State team that last week
gave up fifty one point and to Maryland who had
a wide open two point conversion play that should have
been an easy touchdown pass, easy two point conversion play
to actually go ahead and end that game and end

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Ohio States chances in the playoff. Now, I was wrong
about Urban Meyer. I thought that he was gonna lose
to Jim Harbaugh. Looking at Michigan right now, there are
no excuses you can make if you are a Michigan
Wolverine fan. For a long time, people said, well, all
it takes Jim Harball has got to get a quarterback. Well,

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I always say, if you don't have a quarterback, that's
your fault. That's why you recruit, that's why you developed talent.
We're in year four for Michigan. The fact that Jim
Harbaugh still didn't have a quarterback was not a flaw
of the larger college football universe. It was a flaw
of Jim Harbaugh's coaching and recruiting. Well, he brings in

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shape Patterson, there are no more excuses left for Jim
Harbaugh or Michigan. They went ten and two. Congratulations, They
finally finished second in the Big Ten East. But the
gap between them in Ohio State was massive this year.
You played three top twenty five teams right now at

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the end of the season. You went one in two
in those games. You lost a Notre Dame even without
Ian Book at quarterback, and you got destroyed by Ohio State.
Urban Meyer now is four no against Jim Harbaugh head
to head. This was I think a sobering and eye

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opening loss for Michigan people because the one thing you
thought you could hang your hat on was your defense,
and you were just flat out wrong. That defense was
old and slow. It looked like against Ohio State they
picked you apart all game long. You'll lose a game.
Sometimes it happens to arrival. You'll lose and give up

(31:34):
sixty two points. You have majoral, structural foundational issues in
your program that aren't close to allowing you to compete
at a championship level. I thought Michigan was close to
taking the baton from Ohio State as the best program
in the Big Ten. I was wrong. Ohio State is
still the dominant class of the Big Ten, and Jim

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Harbaugh is still the little or other of Urban Meyer.
Urban Meyer beat down Michigan like I haven't ever seen
Urban Meyer beat down Michigan. I mean, yeah, there we go,
Homer Simpson voice. That was as bad of a beat

(32:18):
down as Michigan has ever taken in this rivalry. And
with all the stakes up for grabs here, with everything
that Michigan and Jim Harbaugh believed they were playing for,
to show up and get beat down like this, I'm sorry,
it doesn't make me think remotely that Jim Harbaugh is
close to contending for a national championship. Because what Ohio

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State did to Michigan, Alabama would have done, Clemson would
have done, Uh, certainly, Georgia would have done, Oklahoma would
have done. All of the teams that are right now
in the mix to compete for a national championship at
a really high level, have it elite offensive talent. I'm

(33:02):
gonna talk about that when we come back. I'll tell
you the college football playoff picture. I'll also open up
the phone lines ifenny Ohio State or Michigan fans want
to react I started off this season saying that Jim
Harbaugh was the most overrated coach in college football history.
You know what, I was right then? I should have
never bought into Michigan. I should have stuck to my

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guns until Michigan actually proved that they could beat Ohio State.
I should have stuck to it. I didn't. I bought
into the hype. That's on me. I was wrong. Michigan
still a fraud, Jim Harbaugh still incapable of proving that
his team is good enough to contend for a championship.

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I'm telling you right now, I have zero faith in
Jim Harbaugh and in Michigan, and Jim Harbaugh remains the
most overrated coach in all of college football. Eight seven
seven s nine. I'll dive in and give you a
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Who's gonna make it? Which six teams are still alive?

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And how will you break down those six teams as
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Welch's toughest grapes. Uh anther thing I would say about
the Michigan Ohio State game. At what point do you
question whether a game is still a rivalry. I think
that's something that has to be re examined on a
regular basis. You can have a historic rivalry. There's no

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doubt that historically Michigan and Ohio State is a rivalry.
When you are one in your last fourteen one in
your last fifteen, Michigan has won one game and they
have lost fourteen in this rivalry, fourteen of the last
fifteen games that's not a rivalry. It's not when you

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have never beaten to Urban Meyer, it's not a rivalry.
It's a historic rivalry. Oh, back in the nineties, that
was really a challenging game. When you have not won
in Columbus, Ohio since two thousand, you've won once this century,
and we're coming up on twenty years in that century,
it's not a rivalry. To me. A rivalry requires you

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don't know what's going to happen whenever these two teams play. Historically,
if you make the landscape, oh, we're gonna include the
nineteen forties and the nineteen sixties and nineteen eighties, all
those things since the last fifteen years. There are kids
today that are growing up that are in high school

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and they don't really remember Michigan ever. Beating Ohio States
not a rivalry. It's a historic rivalry. It's not a
present day rivalry. There are lots of examples of that.
Tennessee Alabama, it's a historic rivalry. It's not a rivalry
right now. Tennessee's never beaten Nick Saban. If you have
never beaten the head coach of the opponent and they

(36:38):
have been there a long time, not a rivalry Urban
Meyer owns Michigan. The game maybe a rivalry historically, not
right now. We just saw Alabama and Auburn play. Gus
smells On has beaten Nick Saban, and he's beaten him

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in crippling, debilitating fashion. The kick six. That's a rivalry game.
The beat down that Auburn put on Alabama last year
that almost cost Alabama a chance to play for the
national championship, that's a rivalry win. You can't go back
historically and say, well, we played a really good game.

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That's why this one is so popular and so powerful. No,
the kids playing today virtually have no recollection of it.
The people who are gonna sign, the kids who are
gonna sign scholarship papers either in December for college football
or in February in do you know what their record

(37:45):
of remembrances. Maybe maybe they can think all the way
back to two thousand eight or two thousand nine, that's
their frame of reference. Really, they probably weren't paying attention
to games until like two thousand twelve, two thousand eleven.
You telling them that something happened in is like when

(38:08):
we were kids. You telling me something that happened in
nineteen fifty four. It's like Brown versus Board of Education.
To them, they got no historical framework for it in
their relevant mind. Urban Meyer is four no against Jim Harbaugh.
Urban Meyer has never lost to Michigan. Michigan does not

(38:30):
have a rivalry with Ohio State while urban Meyer is there. Really,
Michigan did not have a rivalry with Ohio State while
Jim Trustle was there. Michigan really doesn't have a rivalry
with Ohio State. Right now, you lose fourteen out of fifteen,

(38:51):
at ain't a rivalry, might have a historic rivalry, might
be able to say, hey, remember that team we had
that was really good back in boy, we really get
to Michigan, then Michigan, we really took it to Ohio State.
Then nobody cares. Fifteen years you've won one game and
ain't rivalry. Would Michigan say, you know, it's a real

(39:12):
rivalry us against Indiana. Now, would Michigan say, hey, you
know what, we get really fired up to play every year?
You know in Michigan that game we really can't wait
for Maryland. Now. That's basically how Ohio State looks at you.
Right now. You're Maryland to them, except less competitive because

(39:35):
Maryland was thrown into the end zone with a chance
to win. You guys just got your ass kicked. All right,
I'll give you the college football playoff picture when we
come back. I am Clay Travis will open up the
phone lines, give you guys a chance to react to
the NFL and to college football. But I will break
down for you perfectly the six teams still alive for
the college football playoffs and what they need to be
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eight seven seven six three six nine. My argument is
that a rivalry requires a rivalry requires that you could
win the game, something Michigan can do. In fact, going
all the way back to two thousand four, all right,
there are right now kids out there as we approach

(41:00):
two thousand nineteen that are about to be able to
drive cars that have never seen Michigan beat Ohio State
when Ohio State had a full time head coach. The
only win since two thousand and three that Michigan has

(41:22):
gotten over Ohio State, going all the way back to
December of two thousand three two now, is when they
beat Luke Fickle by six points forty thirty four in
two thousand eleven in Ann Arbor, didn't beat Jim Trussell,
didn't beat Urban Meyer for years and years and years.

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You have to go all the way back to two
thousand three to the last time Michigan beat Ohio State
with a full time Ohio State head coach. Not a rivalry.
Maryland has beaten Michigan more frequently than Michigan has beaten

(42:07):
Ohio State. Michigan's rival is Michigan State that's a team
you can occasionally beat. Usually you lose to them too.
Your two and five in your last seven against Michigan State,
but that is your rival. Michigan State fans expect that
you might beat them. Ohio State fans do not respect
you or your program. They know that they are gonna

(42:30):
beat your ass when push comes to shove and they've
got to play. Now. Maybe urban Meyer is gonna retire,
or maybe you gave him the fountain of youth with
that ass kicking that he put on you. Michigan ain't
close to being a contending team. I think it's actually
more likely in the wake of that game that Jim
Harbaugh runs away from the Big Ten than it is

(42:51):
that urban Meyer does. Maybe both of them believe. My
theory that I gave you a while back was that
urban Meyer was going to take a year off and
then take over the USC job. Go back and listen
to the tape on this poor USC fans, they're sticking
with Clay Helton for another year. My prediction, if you
go back and listen on this show was that urban
Meyer pattern is that he leaves, he sits out a year,

(43:13):
he miraculously gets healthy and he takes over a program
in a weaker conference. Pact twelve is a joke right
now in terms of the overall conference. Tell me it
wouldn't follow the pattern perfectly. If urban Meyer, what do
you do when he left Florida set out a year,
goes to Ohio State. What if he left after the
end of this year. Now he could do it and

(43:34):
feel pretty good about himself given the fact that I
think Ohio State will beat Northwestern and win the Big Ten,
and he can say, you know what, my health is
just not right. I'm gonna ride off into the sunset now.
Or maybe, Frankly, maybe this beat down of Michigan will
have re energized urban Meyer. I think that's how big
this game was. Like. This was a major pivot point
in the Michigan Ohio State battle for supremacy in the

(43:58):
Big Ten, even though I think Penn State's actually got
a better program right now than Michigan. And I know
Michigan beat Penn State pretty soundly. It's the only good
win Michigan's got this year. But I think if I
had to bet right now on who's going to be
more successful over the next five years, James Franklin or
Jim Harbaugh, I go James Franklin and Frankly, if I

(44:20):
had to bet the program that I think is going
to be the most successful over the next five years.
I feel better about what James Franklin is gonna do
because I don't think he's gonna stroke out on the
sideline like Urban Meyer sometimes appears like he's gonna do.
Because I don't think that he's gonna show up and
get waxed like that in the biggest game of his season,

(44:41):
like we just saw Michigan happen against Ohio State. I
like James Franklin as the best bet in the Big
Ten right now over the next five years. Don't feel
good about the long term health or security of Urban
Meyer at Ohio State, and Frankly, I just don't feel
good that good about the program that Jim Harbaugh has built.

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I think they are still miles and miles away from
being elite national championship caliber team. I think that's what
you learned watching them get decimated, destroyed, embarrassed frankly against
Ohio State. All Right, there are six teams right now
alive for the college Football Playoff. I'm gonna walk you
through what each of them needs to do in order

(45:22):
to advance to the College Football Playoff. First team. Number
one overall on my list of the out kicked top
ten is Alabama. Here's what Alabama needs to do. They're
in the playoff nothing. They are in no matter what
happens against Georgia unless unless and this is the one
caveat and I hate to say it, but if you

(45:44):
saw what happened to u CEF, if you saw what
happened to the Washington Redskins, unless TWA gets injured and
is out for the season against Georgia, Alabama is in
the playoff no matter what happens against against Georgia. All
right now, hey, knock the music down back in the background.

(46:04):
That's that's that's too much noise. I gotta this is
this is too serious. Knock the music down. I don't
want the music in the background. The college football playoff
picture is complicated. If I got that music going in
the back of my head, I can't escape it. I
gotta break down this picture, all right, Alabama? Right now,
Alabama has got When the new poll comes out, the

(46:24):
new rankings, I believe they will have four wins because
I think Missouri is gonna come into the top twenty five.
Missouri is a top twenty five team. I think Missouri's
top fifteen team. But Missouri is gonna come into the
top twenty five Alabama, then we'll have four wins over
the top twenty five. That's more than anybody else in
college football. So if you are out there, you know Alabama,

(46:45):
hey played nobody. That's the favorite thing that stupid college
football fans want to say. Alabama not only has played
more top twenty five teams than any other playoff contender,
they have won every game by twenty two or more points.
That's a level of dominance we have never seen before
in college football history modern history. Anyway, Alabama is the

(47:06):
unquestioned best team in college football. And you're gonna tell
me that if they lost to Georgia, who was my
number four team, and I'll run through Georgia here in
a minute in a close game in Atlanta, that suddenly
they're not gonna be one of the four best teams
in college football, even though Vegas would tell you that
they are a double digit favorite over virtually everyone. By

(47:29):
the way, they're nearly a two touchdown favorite over Georgia.
I don't think George is gonna win. But if Alabama
were to lose, and we know that Nick Saban only
loses close games. Nick Saban has not lost an SEC
game by more than seven points since two thousand nine.

(47:50):
That's a real stat. The last team, I believe this
is correct, to beat Alabama by double digits in the
SEC and the regular season was South Carolina. Stephen Garcia
was the quarterback. I believe I'm correct on that. Somebody
can look that up in the in the radio studio there,

(48:12):
urban Meyer gets his ass kicked, you know, gives up
fifty five dioa, forty nine to Purdue, fifty one to Maryland.
That's just in the last six road games for Ohio State.
Or urban Meyer gets blown out every now and then
Nick Saban, when he loses, it's always by like the
absolute slimmist Margins. Clemson throws a touchdown past with one

(48:34):
second left, You got the kick six, you got Auburn
pulling away late. Pretty incredible the level of dominance. So
Alabama is in the playoff. Anybody who argues otherwise with
you is an idiot. Only way Alabama doesn't make the
playoff is if TWA gets injured. Now that could happen.
It has to be a serious injury like what we

(48:56):
saw happen to UCF quarterback, like what we saw happen
to Alex Smith and the Redskins. It would have to
be a Mackenzie uh Milton style utterly awful beat down
that's just awful, not just an injury, but a truly
awful one. In two thousand ten, not two thousand nine,

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Alabama lost thirty five to twenty one. It's the last
time Nick Saban lost an SEC game by more than
a touchdown. That's a crazy stat. So the odds of
Georgia beating Alabama are low. The odds of Georgia beating
Alabama by a substantial margin are virtually zero, unless you
think Alabama is gonna take the worst beating they've taken

(49:37):
in conference in eight years. Now will be a Georgia
predominant crowd. I might even be betting on Georgia, but
Alabama is in regardless of what happens in that game.
In the two spots Clemson, now, I do think Clemson
has to beat Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh seven and five. Clemson is
a twenty four point favorite over Pittsburgh in the a

(49:58):
C C Title Game. I think if we get the
win there Clemson does, they're in solidly. I think you
can even make an argument, by the way, that even
if Alabama lost to Georgia, they would still deserve to
be the overall number one seed in the College Football Playoff.
I would still vote him number one. If Alabama lost
like twenty four to twenty one to Georgia, I would

(50:21):
still vote Alabama as the best team in college football
because Clemson doesn't really have very many good wins. The
only two top twenty five wins that Clemson is gonna
have this year they beat A and M by two,
and they beat Syracuse by a couple of points as well.
Not saying Clemson is not a good team, just saying

(50:41):
the A c C is really bad. Did you see
what Kentucky did to Louisville utter beat down? Did you
see what Florida did to Florida State beat down? You
see what Georgia did to Georgia Tech beat town And
by the way, South Carolina went on the road and
scored thirty five on Clemson. Clemson is pretty good. I

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don't think they're anywhere near Alabama level elite. I would
still keep Alabama Number one, even if they lost to Georgia.
That's how good Alabama has been compared to everybody else.
More top twenty five wins, Alabama does more dominance. We've
never seen a team win every regular season game by
twenty two or more ever in history. I went back

(51:24):
and look, not two thousand one Miami, not two thousand
three USC, two thousand four, two thousand five USC. They
weren't as good, and not even ninety five Nebraska, the
Tommy Frasier team that was so good. None of them
beat down everyone else like Alabama. So Alabama is my one,
and they're gonna stay my one. Frankly, no matter what

(51:46):
happens in the SEC title game, I think they're gonna
win by double digits because they've won every game by
double digits. But even if they lost a close game
to Georgia wouldn't change my mind. Number two spot, I've
got Clemson. Number three. I think Notre Dames in. I
think there are only two teams that are already in
the College Football Playoff, Alabama and Notre Dame. The only

(52:06):
small possibility I can see for Notre Dame is there
only thirteen committee members and what if four or five
committee members decided, you know what, we don't think it's
fair that Notre Dame gets to avoid playing a conference
title game. So if Ohio State wins, and if Oklahoma wins,
we're gonna take all the major conference champs and kick
Notre Dame to the curb. I don't think it's gonna happen.

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I think it's a very small percentage chance. I think
twelve and oh Notre Dame is in no matter what.
But that's the only sintilla of possibility, as miniscule as
it may be for what could happen to keep Notre
Dame out of the playoffs. So I've got Notre Dame
at my number three, in my fourth spot right now,
I've got Georgia. Now, if Georgia beats Alabama, then both
Alabama and Georgia are going to be in the College

(52:51):
Football Playoff and that would mean you're in trouble if
you're Oklahoma or your Ohio State. Doesn't matter what happens.
If Georgio loses to Alabama, as I expect to happen,
then Georgia will fall out of the race. You're fortunate
that Georgia had to go on the road against l
s U. Because if Georgia had gotten an easier draw
against the SEC West, if they've gotten to play Arkansas,

(53:14):
god forbid, if they've gotten to play even A and M,
even Mississippi State, even Old Miss, any other team maybe
other than Alabama. I think Georgia would be twelve and
oh right now, and Georgia would be in the playoff
and Alabama would be in the playoff and it wouldn't matter.
So I've got Georgia my fourth spot, and then this

(53:35):
is important. In my five spot, I've got Oklahoma. I think,
how do you get to Oklahoma in your five spot
over Ohio State. Some would ask it's turned into the
big debate already. I think you have to look at
the totality of the resume. Right now, Oklahoma has, in
my opinion, a better collection of winds and a much

(53:58):
better loss van Ohio State does. Ultimately, it's gonna come
down to the loss because Oklahoma lost by three to Texas,
who is a top fifteen caliber team, and Oklahoma gets
the opportunity to effectively erase that loss by beating Texas
on Saturday. If Oklahoma beats Texas, they will be twelve

(54:21):
and one and they will have a race. The one
bad blemish on their schedule, Ohio State lost by twenty
nine to a six and six Perdue team. I can't
put Ohio State above Oklahoma based on that fact alone.

(54:41):
I've got Ohio State at the six spot. I think
if you want Ohio State to advance to the playoff,
you are hamstrung by the fact that they're playing Northwestern,
not a very good team. Let's be honest. If you
beat Northwestern, they fall to eight and five. Oklahoma is
already above you, and they have got a more difficult
and more significant win still out there on the horizon.

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If you are an Ohio State fan, the only way
the Buckeyes make the College Football Playoff is if Alabama
beats Ohio State. Sorry, Alabama beats Georgia, Clemson beats Pittsburgh,
which we would expect to happen. We already know Notre
Dame is in by and large. Then you would need
Oklahoma to lose to Texas, and you would need to

(55:26):
beat Northwestern. Those are the only six teams that are
alive right now for the College Football Playoff. I will
answer all of your questions. I believe I have a
magic ball. I believe I have got a window into
the college football Playoff Committee, Soul. I can tell you
exactly what they want to do. Everybody loves hypotheticals. You
can jump in. You can hit me with whatever questions

(55:48):
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year calls Chris and Charleston, South Carolina, which you got
for me? Hey, Yeah, I was wondering if Alabama and
Clemson both win and Oklahoma and Ohio State lose, does
UCF have a chance to jump in there, even with
their quarterback injury. Now, yeah, I appreciate the call. That's
one of the complicated They're a couple of complicated hypotheticals

(58:39):
out there, so, uh, given how big of a of
a favorite they are, I think it's fair to say
that Clemson losing to UH to Pittsburgh would be a
tremendous upset. Right. I also have already told you that
I think Alabama is in regardless. So if Alabama wins
and knocks Georgia out of the playoff contention, and Clemson
wins and Notre Dame we assume as already in so

(59:01):
that's three, and then Oklahoma. Then Oklahoma lost to Texas,
and then we had uh Northwestern beat Ohio State, who
would then be the fourth team in the College Football Playoff.
There's not an easy answer. I think Mackenzie Milton had
not gotten hurt, that maybe you'd be able to argue
to Mackenzie Milton and uh U c F would be

(59:24):
able to slide up. Maybe. I still don't think they would.
I think with the injury, there's almost a zero percent
chance of that happening. Now I think ridiculously, I think
Georgia would end up in the College Football Playoff. I
don't know how many of you watched the end of
that Texas A and m l SU game that went
seven overtimes seventy two. The real impact of that game,
in the event that Ohio State lost to Northwestern and

(59:47):
Oklahoma lost to Texas, would be that it would knock
l s U out of the College Football Playoff. Because
if LSU had won that game, and I thought they wanted,
I tweeted that they wanted. I didn't see that uh
that man's uh leg was down, that his knee was
down before he threw that interception. It was a crazy,
crazy ending. Coach at Oceanon got dunked by the gatorade bath.

(01:00:10):
If you weren't watching that, maybe the most crazy college
football game I've ever seen. But I think that Georgia
would get in the playoff because I think they would. Then,
I mean, who would you have out there who would
have a better resume than eleven into Georgia At that point,
you'd have to go to a two lost team. I
don't think two loss Ohio State has a better resume

(01:00:31):
than eleven into Georgia. I don't think that two loss
Oklahoma would have a better resume than eleven into Georgia.
Neither one of those teams would have won a championship.
You're gonna get a three loss pack twelve champ. I
don't think certainly Michigan sitting at ten and two would
have a better resume than Georgia. I think Georgia would

(01:00:53):
get in. I think again the hypothetical that that we
just got in Charleston, Chris and Charleston is I think
it would be Georgia that would get in. Dub is
saying wouldn't it be Texas after beating Oh you, I
don't think so, because Texas has got three losses and
they'd be ten and three. I think Georgia would be

(01:01:15):
the team that would get in. I mean Texas, I
don't think they would get in. Maybe you could make
that argument, and certainly the television ratings would like that.
They'd like to get Texas in, but I think it
would be I think it would be Georgia because you
think at eleven and to Georgia they would have lost
to L. S U on the road and they would
have lost to Alabama. Texas three losses, I don't think

(01:01:38):
they get in. You never had a two lost team.
I don't believe make the college football playoff. The jump
to three loss team is I think too substantial. Now
I think Oklahoma and uh Ohio State are both gonna win,
But that's kind of that. That's that breakdown. What about
Gary and Pennsylvania? Which got for me? Gary, Thanks for

(01:02:02):
taking my call diehard Buckeye fan, and I totally agree
with your breakdown on the college football playoffs. Although this
is what I'd like to ask you, and also it's
kind of a statement. I do believe that they should
have said to Notre Dame, if you are really going
to be considered in the top four, you're going to

(01:02:24):
play you see him as your conference to see who
gets in. Uh. That's that's just a kind of a question.
Let's say you sir. Yeah, I do think it's a
little bit unfair that Notre Dame is getting basically to
go sit and kick their feet up and wait to
see who they're going to get to play against. And
you know, they don't have a conference championship game. And

(01:02:46):
you could say, well, Alabama got into the College Football
Playoff last year and they went eleven and one. By
the way, let me clean one thing up. Alabama lost
last year by twelve to Auburn in the Iron Bowl.
So they've lost two games by double digits, uh over
the past eight years. In the SEC. They lost all
the way back in UH and they lost by two

(01:03:06):
touchdowns by fourteen, So I gotta change my stat to
two touchdowns or more two uh, Stephen Garcia back in
the day, and then they lost to fourteen. I think
last year in the in the Iron Bowl to Auburn
is the only game Auberma that Alabama lost last year.
And I think that The difference is the expectation is

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you're gonna play in a conference title game, but for
kind of a crazy cork of the schedule circumstance. And
so that's why I think there's a little bit of
difference with Notre Dame. I think what would be great,
and look, I'm always in favor of more college football.
I think what would be great if we have what

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I think is likely to end up happening, which is
Alabama beats Georgia, Clemson beats Pittsburgh. Notre Dame is already in.
I think that Oklahoma is gonna be Texas US, and
I think that Ohio State's gonna be Northwestern, and the
decision is gonna come down to Ohio State against Oklahoma.
By the way, Vegas oddsmaker makes Oklahoma a one point

(01:04:12):
favorite over Ohio State. I think that would be a
lot of fun to watch that game. Why don't we
have a play in game? If we were going to
create a brand new game, put it on pay per view.
Tell me that game wouldn't produce a massive audience if
we knew that Oklahoma and Ohio State, given how good

(01:04:33):
the past couple of games those teams played, Remember Baker
Mayfield planting the flag. If we played a neutral site
game somewhere between Oklahoma and Ohio State, tell me that
wouldn't be an insanely successful television event and the winner
got to go to the College Football Playoff as the

(01:04:54):
four seed, that would be, by far, I think the
most fair situation we could poss We have what you
got for me, Robert in New York. Yeah, so I'm
a die hard, and I just want to ask the
question already. And like you said, we get the six
back and kick our. I was wondering if everything played out,

(01:05:14):
all the teams went out, and the top four stays
the way it is, how do you think we match
up against Clemson? And if we were to beat Clemson,
what do you think the opening line spread would be? Uh?
If we played the final game against Alabama? Yeah, Notre
Dame fan there. He was breaking up a little bit
for Robert in New York. And by the way, the
phone number eight seven seven six three six nine right now.

(01:05:36):
The way it would break down is I think if
if everything went according to the way that I'm anticipating
it right now, it would be Alabama against Oklahoma and
it would be Clemson against Notre Dame. I don't know,
it's it's an excellent question. So I think that Alabama.
We do Alabama Oklahoma first. I think Alabama Oklahoma Oklahoma

(01:05:59):
has no hope of stopping to a tig of Byloa, right.
I think he would throw for four hundred yards. I
think Alabama would score seventy points if they needed to,
And I think Oklahoma would be capable and in a
shootout like that, of scoring thirty five or forty against Alabama.
But I think Alabama would get a lot of stops

(01:06:21):
against Oklahoma, and ultimately Alabama would win by two or
three touchdowns pretty easily. So that's what I think would
happen in the Oklahoma game. I think Alabama is the
much better team than everybody else. I'm a little bit so.
First of all, I don't think Notre Dame is gonna
get dominated like they did the last time they got
into one of these big signature games against Alabama by

(01:06:44):
anybody other than Alabama. I think Alabama has a chance
to wipe out everybody in the College Football Playoff by
a substantial margin. But I think Notre Dame could be
competitive against Clemson, primarily for this reason. We really haven't
seen Clemson play a lot of high level competition. I
don't I think the a c C is really bad

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this year. And the three examples that I will give
you just on what we saw last weekend. Did you
see what happened in the rivalry week games between the
SEC and the a c C. It didn't get a
lot of attention because none of these games were really
kind of like high level games. It wasn't a lot
of people sitting around saying, band I'm really excited to
watch Georgia play Georgia Tech. I'm really excited to watch

(01:07:25):
Kentucky play Louisville. I'm really excited to watch Florida play
Florida State. Florida went on the road and one forty
one to fourteen against Florida State means that Willie Taggert
is not going to a bowl game at f s U.
I believe that's the first time since nineteen eighty one
that we have not had a bowl game for Florida State.

(01:07:47):
And by the way, somebody wrote something racist about Willie Taggart,
so stupid, like I see it like it's a headline
some places like Look, you can dislike somebody for a
variety of reasons. There plenty of reasons that you can
think Willie Tagger did a bad job as a coach
this year. His race really has nothing to do with it, right,

(01:08:08):
I Mean, I just it's so lazy, like they are
all sorts of reasons why you can hate a coach
in terms of his performance, for what he's done for
your program. Basing it on anything other than the coach
stinks is to me just trying way too hard, right period.
That's all I'm gonna say about that. Georgia destroys Georgia Tech,

(01:08:32):
not even remotely close, forty five to seven. Georgia Tech
gets a couple of scores late, Georgia Tech got wiped out,
and Kentucky hung fifty six on Louisville and beat him
fifty six to ten. Those are sec against A C
C games. And then South Carolina went on the road

(01:08:52):
against Clemson and scored thirty five points against them. So
I'm not a hundred percent sold on Clemson as much
as some others might be. Uh, that's kind of my
personal read on that game in general. I just don't
know that I really buy into it, right, I don't

(01:09:13):
know that I buy into Clemson being head and shoulders above. Uh,
Notre Dame. So I think that would be a competitive game,
I really do. I think Ian book makes it a
difference maker. Uh. And so I think that Notre Dame.
I look, do I think Notre Dame would be the underdog? Yeah,
probably by six and a half seven points, But I
think that can be a very competitive game. I think
Alabama otherwise substantially better. Alright, eight seven, seven, six three

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Who's up next? Dub? Who should I go to next?
We got Charlie and Dayton. Charlie and Dayton. What you
got for me? Clay? I Love Where Your Heads out
with Oklahoma HIA Safe pay per view played in Bristol,
Tennessee Motor Speedway and also uh Notre Dame. I don't

(01:11:45):
know why everybody's so upset that they don't play a
championship game. I mean, NBC abuses them and makes them
play all across America, so they should get a little
credit for that. Thanks. Yeah, it is true. Look, I
mean Owner Dame went to New York City and then
they flew all the way across the country and they
played in l A. They played against Syracuse and they

(01:12:05):
played in UH in l A back to back weeks.
It's pretty tough schedule. Um and uh and and they have,
you know, basically played all over the place. They played
Navy in a neutral side game. UM. I'll come back.
We've got a bunch of you got lined up eight seven, seven, nine, nine, six, six,
three six and nine uh Kentucky, Texas and Arkansas right
off the top. You'll be our next three up. Then
I'll roll in with the rest of the calls. Then

(01:12:27):
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In eight seven, seven, three, six nine will be joined
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(01:13:31):
we saw over the long holiday weekend through Thanksgiving. Kale
in Kentucky, what's up man? Oh yeah, I'm just kind
of curious as to what your take would be on
with the human aspect of taking these teams. If everything
shakes out where you have Oklahoma and Ohio State being picked,
all the off all the off field crap that happened.
Homer Simps went the megaphone and all that stuff. Does

(01:13:53):
that leave a bad taste everybody's mouth, and potentially, you know,
regardless of margin of wins in these championship games, keep
them out of playoffs. I think if Oklahoma beats Texas
and Ohio State beats Northwestern, there is no way that
Ohio State gets in above Oklahoma. I I don't see
it possible because I don't understand how you could look

(01:14:15):
at those two resumes at that point in time. Barring
let me say this, I hate that I have to
say it, but after the Mackenzie Milton injury, after the
Alex Smith injury, if something happened to one of the
starting quarterbacks, right, even if they won, and I said
this about TWA, even if Alabama lost to Georgia, I
think Alabama's in unless TWA got injured and was not

(01:14:37):
going to be able to play in the College Football playoff,
because I think that changes everything. If something happened to
Kyler Murray for Oklahoma, I don't think there's any way
you could put in Oklahoma over Ohio State. If something
happened to Dwayne Haskins, I think the same thing would
have to be said about Ohio State. Like the quarterback
position has become so paramount in college football as well.

(01:14:59):
Give in these offensive systems that if you don't have
your starting quarterback, there's a precipitous drop off. The difference
between Kyler Murray and Tuah and Dwayne Haskins and all
of their backups is night and day. Even at Notre Dame,
the difference between the end book and Brandon Wimbush is massive, right.
I think the difference between Justin Fields, who's the backup

(01:15:21):
right now, and Jake from at Georgia also massive. So
much like in the NFL, I think these offenses have
become so geared towards the starting quarterbacks that if you
lost the starting quarterback. That's why I say, I hate
to say it. I think if you CEF still had
Mackenzie Milton, they would be potentially in the mix in

(01:15:43):
the event that both Ohio State and Oklahoma lost. Now,
I don't think there's any way you can put them
in there. Jim in Texas, what's up, Jim? The showy? Uh?
The thing I think you gotta think of the conference
is the Big Twelve. They played erald defense outside of
Texas and Iowa State in the Big Ten. I can't
figure it out because the speed difference on the lines

(01:16:06):
between Michigan and in Ohio State. It was unbelievable. And
I just think if if Texas goes ahead and beats UH,
beats Oklahoma, which I think is gonna happen, in Ohio
State wins and they win dig you either got to
take Ohio State or you're really gonna take UCS because
they haven't lost. These other teams have lost two games.
That's all thanks. I don't think u CF is in

(01:16:29):
the running at all. I think if Oklahoma, if Oklahoma
loses and Ohio State loses, I think it would be Georgia.
Even if Georgia loses to Alabama, that who I think
would be. I think Georgia would have the best resume
of any two lost team. Unfortunate for l s U
that they've lost that seventy seventy two game, or LSU
would have the best resume of any two lost team

(01:16:51):
because LSU could be like, hey, we lost on the
road against Florida, we lost on the we lost Obama,
but we beat Georgia by a sound margin. I think
that would have put LSU and as the two lost team.
Now I don't think it's gonna matter because I don't
think Ohio State's gonna lose the Northwestern and I don't
think Oklahoma's gonna lose to Texas. I think both those
teams will win and maybe it'll sort itself out. Right,
If one of those two teams loses, then it's easy.

(01:17:13):
We know exactly who gets in Vincent in Arkansas. It's Vincent. Hey,
you kind of answered the question. I had a question
about what you think about. I mean, if Alabama some
kind of way they lose the Georgia, I mean, how
could they keep them out the playoffs When you're saying
they're the most dominant team so forth through twelve games,

(01:17:33):
and and they lose one one game to Georgia. I mean,
I don't see how you can keep them out of
the playoffs. I'm not just saying that because I'm Obama fan.
But and another time, you I think me, you and
the only one in America that season. I'm not that
impressed with Clemson. I mean, you're right, they haven't. I
mean their best win was on the road against Texas A,
and m with the game that's Texas A and them

(01:17:53):
should have won, you know, and they try to say
Boston College the game they won that Boston College wasn't
president win. Look at Boton College. What you mean, what
is day? You know? So that's that's what I had
to say. Yeah, look, I mean I thanks to the call.
I you and I are in agreement there, Vincent. I mean,
I think Bama's in. I think there are two teams
that are in the College football Playoff should be a hundred,

(01:18:15):
Alabama and Notre Dame. I don't think it matters what
happens in the Alabama game against Georgia. As long as
two has not hurt, two has hurt, everything changes in
the same way that I would adjust Central Florida U CEF.
I can't let you see FM with Mackenzie Milton hurt
because I just don't know what that team has. I
also similarly can't do that for Alabama. Now, if Alabama's

(01:18:37):
thirteen and O and two, it gets hurt and you're
not sure whether or not he's gonna play, Yeah, they're
still in the Only way I can see Alabama getting
knocked out of the playoff as if two had a
devastating leg injury, something like we saw happen to Mackenzie
Milton or something that we saw happen to Alex Smith,
and I hate to say it, but that's the only possibility.
I'm just trying to give you all the possibilities as

(01:18:57):
is the four teams that are in the playoff. I
believe Alabama's the one. You're two seed to be Clemson,
your three C two be Notre Dame, and then your
four would be Oklahoma assuming they beat Texas. Even if
Ohio State beats Northwestern, or if Oklahoma loses in Ohio
State beats Northwestern, then they're in. That's your four. If

(01:19:18):
both those teams lose, Oklahoma State and I'm sorry Oklahoma
loses and Ohio State loses, then I think Georgia would
be in. Dub made the argument, shot me a line,
what about Texas at ten and three? I just don't
think ten in three Texas would get it done. Certainly,
that's a debate we could have this week at some point.
It's a discussion worth having. When we return, we'll break
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We treat you like you treat you. And right now, boy,
as we come down the stretch in the NFL, We've
got a game tonight that is pretty significant in the
playoff race in theory, and it's been an interesting line move,
the Tennessee Titans going on the road against the Houston Texans.
The line has dropped from around seven to three and

(01:20:24):
a half as Marcus Mariotta's health is firmed up. Maybe
there's some more news out there that we don't know
about yet. But that is the final game of Week
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(01:20:45):
We are continuing to roll in that arena. Uh. The
Patriots have taken control. Stop me if you've heard this before.
The a f C East effectively decided The Miami Dolphins
lost against the Indianapolis Colts, and as a result, the
Patriots sitting at eight and three, they have complete control
over that division. And the question is, as you walked

(01:21:08):
work your way down the stretch. Vikings going on the
road against the Patriots. Vikings obviously got a big win
to basically end the playoff chances of Aaron Rodgers and
maybe to end the Mike McCarthy era in UH in
Green Bay. UH. The Patriots then go on the road
against the Dolphins. We know they've had trouble in South Florida,

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but in terms of competing in the division, not likely.
And then I think the game that's likely to decide
one of the two buys in the a f C.
The Patriots going on the road against the Steelers. Steelers
got a tough performance against the against the Broncos. That's
two straight weeks really that the Steelers have gone on
the road and not looked very good. I know they

(01:21:49):
stole the game away against the Jags, but the Steelers
have not looked very good the past couple of weeks.
So anyway, the a f C East effectively controlled by
the New England Patriots. The a f C Earth, we'll
see what happens with this Lamar Jackson experiment. The Ravens
have won two in a row. They're sitting at four
and six and five now a little bit of a concern.

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They've already played six home games, so now the Ravens
are gonna have to go on the road a decent
amount in the final five weeks of the season. They
have three road games. That's a little bit of a
concern if you think that they're gonna contend in that division. Again.
The Steelers sitting at seven, three and one, a game
and a half up on the Baltimore Ravens in the

(01:22:31):
a f C South. I just kind of hit it,
by the way the Cincinnati Bengals completely given away everything.
I think they're the worst team now in the a
f C North and the Browns. How good has Baker
Mayfield been the past two weeks and everything about that
Hugh Jackson defeat that he took. You leave your team

(01:22:51):
in the middle of the season, get fired, and then
go become an offensive consultant for the Bengals. I think
that it's a disgusting move by Hugh Jackson. I think
it's an indefensible move. Marvin Lewis seems to be unfire able.
But man, it seems to me clear that the Cleveland

(01:23:11):
Browns were out to get Hugh Jackson and felt like
he had treated them wrong by going and now working
against them in the same season. I agree with him.
I understand why Baker Mayfield didn't want to give Hugh
Jackson a hug after the after the game and uh,
and why so many of the Cincinnati Bengals UH players

(01:23:33):
got exposed by the Browns. I think it's because everybody
out there was like, you know what, I can't respect
this guy quitting on us, getting fired in the middle
of the season, and then going to work and coach
against us. Uh, that's just a different level. And how
about Hugh Jackson. You can't win with the Browns and
then you get fired and the Browns come on the
road and beat your new team. No idea how he

(01:23:55):
keeps the job, No idea how he gets another head
coaching job. That was a disaster. I don't understand what's
going on with Marvin Lewis, why he still has a job.
The Bengals look finished, Andy Dalton taking off the field
with the injury. UH. They get the Broncos and the
Bengals playing in frankly a game that is that's an
elimination game for the a f C wild Card race
to the extent that either team is still in that race.

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And uh, I think the Bengals are effectively done, even
though the schedule is not necessarily that brutal. Over the
next four weeks, you get to play the Raiders, you
get to play the Browns again, but I think they're done.
The Bengals are officially done. In the a f C South,
I just mentioned that Monday Night football, Texans won seven
games in a row. They're hosting the Tennessee Titans. Titans

(01:24:41):
need to get a win if that is gonna be
a competitive division, because if you let the Texans get
to eight and three, that becomes a real challenge. On
the flip side, the Titans win, then you basically got
a three way race down the stretch between the Texans,
the Colts, and the Titans. In UH. In the a
f C West, and by the way, the Jags have
fallen apart, I think in the offseason, Tom Coughlin Leonard

(01:25:03):
four Nette getting into a fight, like an actual fist fight.
He's your best offensive player. Blake Bortles still can't throw
the ball in the ocean. I mean, it is an
ugly performance from the Jags, who have fallen to three
and eight and lost seven straight games. The Wheels have
come off that franchise. I don't know what's gonna happen,
but I know that it's gonna be an ugly conclusion

(01:25:24):
for them. And Uh, I don't know what the resolution
is gonna be, but I would expect for major changes
to be made there. And the a f C West,
we're turning into a pretty interesting race. Uh. The Chiefs
obviously sitting at nine and two, seems like forever ago. Uh,
they played that that epic game against the l A. Rams,
and we're sitting with the Chargers now at at eight

(01:25:48):
and three. Chargers get an easy win, Philip Rivers basically
unstoppable twenty five straight completions that could end up being
an actual race in that division, and the Broncos still
somewhat a live the Raiders chasing the number one overall
draft pick in the NFC seems like this game was
played a long time ago. To the UH Dallas Cowboys,

(01:26:09):
given up for dead after they lost Monday Night to
the Tennessee Titans, now sitting at six and five have
the tie break over the Washington Redskins in that division.
The Eagles got the win, came back from a nineteen
to three deficit. They're still kind of kicking around in
that playoff race as well. We'll see what happens. The
Giants the only team that's effectively been eliminated. I guess
O'Dell Beckham Jr. Not correct that they were gonna go

(01:26:32):
out and win every game for the rest of the way. Uh,
the Bears got the win. They're now eight and three again.
That game was played on Thanksgiving and it seems like
forever ago now the early game they eliminated effectively the
Lions last night, the Vikings get to win over Aaron
Rodgers and the Packers. Feels to me like Mike McCarthy's
tenure with the Packers and Aaron Rodgers may officially be over.

(01:26:55):
The Green Bay Packers not officially dead, but they gotta
win out. They gotta win five stray and even then
they would only be at nine six and one. Would
that be good enough to make the playoffs? Probably not,
But I don't feel like the Packers are gonna win
five games in a row anyway. They're now oh and
six on the road. There's nothing that has suggested to
me that they can go on the road and for

(01:27:16):
instance win in Chicago. NFC South, the Saints best team
in the NFL in my opinion, sitting at ten and one.
Carolina Panthers have fallen apart, losing three in a row
to put themselves into very precarious position when it comes
to the playoffs. UH and UH Atlanta and Tampa Bay
both bad football teams. In the NFC West, we got
the Rams, who haven't played in a long time either.

(01:27:38):
They got the bye week. They're sitting at ten and
one after that epic Monday night football contest, the Seahawks
not officially eliminated from the NFC West race. The Seahawks
get a huge win on the road against the Panthers,
and neither Arizona nor the forty Niners mad matter at all.
Those are both awful football teams. That's where we are

(01:27:59):
right now in in UH the NFL picture, we broke
down the college football playoff picture for much of our two.
We're gonna be joined by Alex Marvez here shortly, but
I want to tell you right now, there are only
in my mind six teams alive for the college football Playoff.
In order, those are Alabama, who will be the number
one seed when the playoff rankings come out, Clemson, who

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will be the number two. In the three spot. We're
gonna have Notre Dame in the four spot I believe
will be Georgia. Five will be Oklahoma. Six I believe
will be Ohio State, assuming that that is correct, Alabama
and Notre Dame, in my opinion, both already in the
college football playoff. Alabama four top twenty five wins. Assuming

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that Missouri is gonna slide up into the top twenty five,
which I think they will. If that occurs, Alabama would
have more top twenty five wins than anybody in college
football right now who is contending for the playoff. So
stop with that they ain't played anybody argument. That's a
stupid argument. If you are making it, then you are
effectively saying nobody has played anybody. Alabama also has won

(01:29:02):
every game by twenty two or more points so far
this season, which isn't heard of a level of dominance
we have never seen before in college football. So long
as Tua is not severely injured, no matter what happens
in the sec title game. I believe Alabama will be
in if Georgia were to pull off the upset over Alabama,
I believe that Georgia would be in the College Football

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Playoff as well. Clearly, Clemson twenty four point favorite over Pittsburgh.
Expect for Clemson to win the a C C in
advance at thirteen and oh Notre Dame sitting at twelve
and oh they should be in good shape to advance
as well. All of those teams, when when you break
it down, are in great shape. I believe if Oklahoma
beats Texas and right now they're around a seven point favorite,

(01:29:49):
that would vanquish their one loss. That would put Oklahoma
into the College Football Playoff. I think that if Ohio
State beats Northwestern, the only way Ohio State would get
into the playoff is if Oklahoma loses to Texas. That
is the college football playoff picture. What if both Oklahoma
and Ohio State lose, then I think even if Georgia lost,

(01:30:13):
they would be in the College Football Playoff. I think
that two lost Georgia would have the best resume of
all of those available teams. That is the college football
playoff picture. That is the NFL Playoff picture and more.
As we moved through the eleventh week of the NFL season,
only one game left, uh Marcus Mariota, Tennessee Titans going

(01:30:33):
on the road to take on the Houston Texans and
Deshaun Watson. That is your Monday night football game. We
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and one on the year. Kirk Cousins led him with
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one and now o and six on the road this season.
In late action, Broncos beat the Steelers to seventeen. Pittsburgh
six game winning streak is snap. Chargers beat the Cardinals
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Early Action Brown snapp at twenty five game road losing streak,
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in now Alex Marvez and Alex it's certainly seemed like
the Browns wanted to beat Hugh Jackson, just badly with

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the fact that he's flipped teams in the middle of
the season. Can you ever remember seeing anything like that? No,
I can't. You know, sometimes you might bring in someone
as a consultant, but not someone who gets fired as
a head coach who immediately assumed such a major part
with another team. And it's funny how it was spun right. Remember,
Hugh Jackson didn't want to leave the Cleveland Browns, at
least I don't think he did, you know, but he

(01:35:10):
was fired. It wasn't like, oh, he had in a choice.
I mean, he wanted to keep working and he wants
to remain you know, a viable member of you know,
the coaching fraternity in the NFL. He doesn't want to
sit out waiting for another job. So and I think too,
he sees a path potentially to becoming a head coach
again with the Cincinnati Bengals, a team that obviously can't
get out of its own way. And if there is
a change made, I do think that Hugh Jackson would

(01:35:32):
get strong consideration from Mike Brown because at this point,
Mike doesn't want outside ideas. He is very hard ever
going to fire Marvin Lewis, Well, that's the whole thing.
I mean, Look, it's Mike Brown's decision, and Mike doesn't
want change. I mean, that's just how he is as
a team owner. He's very good with comfort at this
point in his life now that he's in his early eighties,

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and Marvin does with Mike wantson. It's similar to Jason
Garrett and Jerry Jones, except the Cowboys actually have success,
whereas the Bengals now are having no success. So yeah,
it was personal, I think, And you know, look too.
I think people realized that Hugh Jackson was an anchor
on the Cleveland Browns. I mean, think about how this
year might have gone had they actually had Greg Williams
as head coach, who has done a good job and
his defense has played well. Freddie Kitchens has done a

(01:36:14):
nice job as offensive coordinator. Now, all this being said,
let's not forget here. This is a four six and
one type of team as well, and they've beaten two
slumping teams in Atlanta and Cincinnati. But look, other Browns
teams would have lost. This team won and they're fun
to watch entering December. So yeah, I mean I think
that I think that's a real positive for them. And
as for the Bengals, you know, the fans all they
can do shrug, their soldiers play. Look, I know the

(01:36:35):
Bengals really well as an organization. That was the first
team I ever covered. I follow him really closely, and
it's really just all on Mike Brown. If Mike wants
something different, wants to make it change, wants to change
the culture in his organization, well he's hiring a different
coach and he's listening to different ideas. If he's content
with the same old same old and cashing those giant
checks from the NFL. Then you're gonna keep seeing what
you're seeing. Do you think that, uh, that Greg Williams

(01:36:58):
could get a chance to keep this Brown's job or
do you think they're going to go outside regardless? My
impression initially from speaking to people who know the situation
well is that everyone was going to get cleared out
and there'd be a whole new look for the Browns.
You know, in now, if the Browns keep winning and
responding the way they are, maybe John Dorsey takes a
different look at it. The question is this, you know,
do you trust Freddie Kitchens to develop Baker Mayfield into

(01:37:20):
a quarterback? And if it's not him, then who is it?
Because really, that's what the whole purpose of the next
head coach is, right making sure that you develop Baker
Mayfield into a franchise quarterback. It's what the Chicago Bears
did with the hiring him, Matt Neggie, Sean McVeigh. The
same thinking, you know with the Los Angeles Rams is
to develop the franchise quarterback. So is Freddie Kitchens that guy?
He's not going to be the head coach, Don't get
me wrong. He's not there yet, but you know, is

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he the type of offensive coordinator you want? Can he
and Greg Williams work together? Listen, there's no previous relationship
between those guys either. This staff was put together as
a Hodgepodge type of staff by John Dorsey and John
I think, you know, maybe trying to move you a
little bit closer to that exit door, hiring a guy
like Todd Hailey and taking away the play calling from
Hugh Jackson. Think about that. Hugh Jackson didn't have the

(01:38:01):
ability to control whether or not he called the plays
for the Cleveland Browns. How goofy is that right? As
an organization? So there's still some dysfunction going on in Cleveland,
But whoever, it has just got to make sure that
everyone is rowing the boat in the right direction. So far,
Greg Williams has done a good job with it. And look,
if they win out or they go, they finished with
a winning record. I think that his his candidacy grows.
But again, it's all about Baker Mayfield. It's not in

(01:38:24):
and beyond, it's not about eighteen. Last night, the Packers
not officially officially dead in the playoff race, but they
seem awfully close. Does Mike McCarthy keep his job? I
don't think so. I think this is the end of
an era. And you know, I mean has any quarterback
looked as unhappy on the field lately as Aaron Rodgers?
I mean, really, it's like when when I see those

(01:38:46):
State Farm commercials and how unhappy I am. Gonna have
to watch that direct this season? The same look on
his face, you know, every time I see him, he's
just he looks miserable, and you know it's it's starting
to seep into his play a little bit. You see
Aaron miss firing on some passes that he normally wouldn't
miss fire, and you see the frustration that he's thinking
of wide receivers one place and it is in or
the protection breaking down. And you know there's a terrible
third down offense as well. There twenty four in the

(01:39:08):
NFL in third down conversions. They've lost eight straight road
games dating back to last season. But look, if I'm
looking for a silver lining for the Packers, there is
a way for them to make the playoffs. At nine
six and one, they're just giving themselves no margin of
error here. They have tied with the UH sorry Rams
for the easiest schedule, strength of schedule. Over the final
five games of the season, their opponents have a combined

(01:39:29):
winning percentage of three eight two. So it's got to
start next Sunday against a team that's actually even worse
than them right now, the Arizona Cardinals. They gotta be
the land at home. Go to Chicago, you gotta win there.
In week fifteen. Then you're at the Jets home against Detroit.
You run that set, you run that you know, gambit.
All of a sudden you're nine six and one. Maybe
Mike McCarthy saves his gig, but right now not looking good.

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You know what's so weird to the play calling is strange.
You got Aaron Rodgers not going on some in some
fourth down situations that you would think, Wow, if you
have a guy that's talented, maybe you want to go
for it. You don't want to put too much pressure
on a defense last night that had a secondary that
was just ravaged by injuries. I mean, and the special
teams remain just so inconsistent, and you know they're more
missed than hit. So yeah, I mean, all these signs

(01:40:11):
are pointing towards that because again, the narrative play continues,
how come Mike McCarthy hasn't won multiple Super Bowls with
Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback? And you know, there's no, no,
really answer to that right now. I mean, there's there's
a lot of people to blame on that, but Mike
McCarthy is probably gonna take the hit on this one.
The Jags have lost seven in a row. They got
their best player on offense getting in a legitimate fist

(01:40:33):
fight and getting kicked out of the game. Jalen Ramsey
talks trash about Josh Allen low and behold, Josh Allen
finds a way to get the win. Scrambles of all
things for a touchdown against them, rushes for a hundred yards.
Josh Allen does, What is the takeaway here? If you
are the Jags, the Bills are what what they are?
You know, they're four and seven, They're not very good.

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They have a better record than the Jags do. This
has to be driving Tom Coughlin crazy. What did the
Jags do now in the off season, Well, Jack's got
to find a quarterback, right and they put this one off.
They were really hoping that Blake Bortles could could be
that guy based upon what they saw last year, and
I can't blame him for thinking that, you know. I
mean they're around the guy every day. You saw some improvement,
but all of that fell by the wayside this year.
He just is he just cannot make game changing types

(01:41:16):
of plays. I mean, you know, you look at at
the previous week, his longest completion or a wide receiver
was fourteen yards. I mean, you know, just you can't
win like this. I mean, they rushed for two or
twenty six yards yesterday, even when Leonard for Nette getting
ejected in the third quarter, and you're still losing games.
They the Jags offense, they tried to take the football
out of Blake Bortles hands. How many teams in the
NFL can win like that on a consistent basis when

(01:41:38):
you don't have the type of quarterback that you want.
They got to ask themselves if Jalen Ramsey is worth
the headaches that he can provide by continuing to open
his mouth. You know, he's a great player, but you know,
of course, you know, you see that the Buffalo Bills
trolling him as well, and there on their social media account,
you know about Jalen Ramsey talking trash about him. Jag
Wars didn't even sack you know, um Josh Allen yesterday.

(01:41:58):
I think the thing too then the fence, there's something missing.
Maybe it's the slot cornerback spot. I don't know, but
there is way too much talent, way too much money
being spent on that side of the football to get
which you're getting. And again on offense, you know, the
play calling by Nate Hackett has been pretty poor. But
you know, then again you think about it, he's just
trying to not give the football to Blake Portles. It's
a mess there right now in that regard. But I
really think if they can get that game change in quarterback,

(01:42:19):
it makes a difference in Clay. Each week that goes by,
the Jaguars keeps thinking and you know, are they going
to be in position with the top three, top four
pick to potentially get that guy because you look at
San Francisco, you look at other teams that are playing poorly. Arizona,
they already have their franchise quarterback in Toe, so they
don't need to be drafting at the position that plays
well for the Jaguars potentially getting their guy in Lamar Jackson.

(01:42:44):
Not as many rushes this week for the Ravens as
he had last week, but they gotta win. Maybe the Raiders,
like you said, are just completely tanking. What do we
make of the Ravens quarterback situation? What's going on with
Joe Flacco health situation? What do you hear here? Because
the Ravens are sitting at five and maybe they can
make a run down the stretch with two straight wins. Yeah,

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and listen, they're at Atlanta next week, so you figure
that they're at a very winnable game with the way
the Falcons are playing. So if you're at seven and
five and I don't think Joe Flacco is coming back
this week, then you've got a decision to make it
because you know you're at You're at Kansas City home
against Tampa Bay at the Chargers home against Cleveland. So
you're looking at about a nine and seven type of
record there, maybe, you know, I mean, that's where they're at.

(01:43:26):
Look what Baltimore is doing better than what they haven't done,
it better than at any point this season. Play they
are running the football and O Lamar Jackson is a
big deal as part of that. But for the past
two weeks two forty two and two hundred sixty seven
yards on the ground and they rolled over the Raiders
even without Alex Collins and twenty two minutes of time
of possession in the second half. I mean, so there,

(01:43:47):
So this offense is playing better with Lamar Jackson. That
run pass element is something that's catching teams off balance.
And listen, Joe Flacco wasn't exactly as we know, setting
the world on fire anyway. So my impression is they're
going to continue to ride with him. We know that
Joe's probably had gone probably and I say probably his
salary cap situation play. They made such a huge mistake
extending his contract back in It will cost him a

(01:44:10):
boatload of dead money to to cut Joe flack over
to trade him in twenty nineteen. But it's something that
they're going to have to do because I think that
the ship has sailed on his time with the Ravens
and we'll see, you know, listen, John Harbaugh, he's coaching
for his job. There's no time to wait for Joe
Flacko anymore. He's got a ride with Lamar Jackson. I
think that's what you'll end up saying, which are you
more confident in right now? The Patriots, who looked a

(01:44:31):
little bit wobbly but got the win over the Jets
coming out of the bye week after getting whipped by
the Titans. Or the Steelers who are one and one
in their past two on the road but looked pretty
bad against the Jags and then looks pretty bad again
against the against the Broncos. In terms of making winning plays,
which one are you more confident in coming down the

(01:44:52):
final five weeks of the season. Oh, I'm confident in
the Patriots. I mean, look and the way they did
it yesterday. By the way, two yard it's on the
ground against the Jets. That's the highest total since against
the Colts. Remember the Jonas Gray game. When when Jonas
Gray that? But yeah, well, of course, I mean when
no one has seen Jonas Gray ever since he's on

(01:45:13):
a you know, America's most wanted like missing person's list,
because you have that one great game and that was
about it. But for the Patriots being able to give
Tom Brady help like that because the passing game is
struggling is tremendous. They always play that. It's always tough
with them against the Jets on the road, and they
still won by two touchdowns. I mean, and they still
covered the spread, and of the money in Vegas yesterday
was coming in on the Patriots and they delivered. So

(01:45:35):
a lot of happy folks right there. You know. The
their schedule really evens out, you know, their home against
the Vikings that're at Miami at Pittsburgh, and then after
that home against Buffalo home against the Jets. So if
they can survive these next three weeks, they're putting themselves
in great position to play at home and play first
Pittsburgh has to beat New England, something that they just
simply don't do. Then on top of that, you gotta
try to get home field advantage. You gotta get the

(01:45:56):
Patriots on a Foxboro. They have never made a Super
Bowl playing on the road in the postseason underbuild. But
I look, check in Tom Brady. You can get him
out of Foxboro. You've got a chance to beat them.
But if they're playing up there, it's gonna just make
it that much tougher. So, I mean, I just think
New England is the more consistent team heading towards December.
Are the Colts going to make the playoffs? Sure looks
like it, right And and listen, what a big time

(01:46:16):
comeback and of course, you know, Dolphins fans are just
banging their heads against the wall watching Adam Gaze, you know,
in this play calling in the fourth quarter, which was
absolutely disastrous. You know, again a little you know, a
little bit of a tougher schedule. You know, they're at
Jacksonville this week, at Houston after that home against the Cowboys,
then home against the Giants and at Tennessee. So they
put themselves in good position. Andrew Luck is playing brilliantly

(01:46:37):
right now, as we know, thirty and thirty seven yesterday
one on the completion percentage right there, throwing at least
three touchdown passes in eight straight games. That is the
second longest streak of at least three touchdown passes in
a game in NFL history. So, I mean he you know,
Tom Brady's the guy who has the record with ten.
I mean, the guy has just been absolutely brilliant. So yeah,

(01:46:59):
I mean Rick Ebron, he's getting stuff out of him
that no one else has been able to get on
offense and the defensive sound. I mean that you know,
a lot of and that's big spimes about a guy
that we got to talk about Clay real quick. Matt Ever,
flew their defensive coordinator. I know that offensive coaches are
the flavor of the month. This guy playing about two
years is probably going to be an NFL head coach.
He was a Cowboys linebackers coach, did a great job
there with Shawn Lee, Jalen Smith. Anthony Hitchens during his

(01:47:21):
time in Dallas, got the chance to be a defensive coordinator.
Was supposed to be working with his buddy Josh McDaniels,
but Josh left him high and dry. The Colts wanted
to keep him. Frank c Reich wanted to keep him.
And playing that Tampa too. They've done an outstanding job.
So yeah, I mean I think that they're they're out
of the sick. You know, the teams that we've got
that were five and five entering yesterday. I like Indianapolis
as chances. It's amazing. Of course, they could have done

(01:47:42):
themselves a favor by playing for the tie against the
Houston Texans in Week four. And you ask anyone in
Houston if Houston ties that game and goes to oh
three and one, and they're not getting hot, they're not
doing what they're doing right now, and you know, winning
seven straight games after nohe three started. No team in
NFL history did that. Colts made a big mistake there.
We'll see if it's going to cost him at the
end of the year. Titans Texans Monday Night. Do you

(01:48:03):
buy into the Texans as pulling away in this division?
Something interesting? I don't know how much tension you pay
to the line and what you what you do, but
that that the Texans were around a seven point favorite,
that line came back to three and a half. It's
kind of sitting right around there. Do you think the
Titans will be competitive in this game or do you
think the Texans win their eighth in a row. I

(01:48:24):
think the Texans win their eighth in a row. And
and some of it's gonna because it's just gonna be
so emotionally charged there. Now, we've seen emotionally charged Texans before.
Remember Week one in two thousand seventeen when they opened
their season at home following Hurricane Harvey, and they got
absolutely smoked by the Jacksonville Jaguars. So you know, they
got to be careful and not not get too wrapped
up in all the pre game emotion and then just
be completely flat the rest of the game. But I

(01:48:46):
just think you know, primetime game for the Texans. I
also feel like the in the wake Obam mc marriage
passing gonna be a lot of emotion. Wanted to win
one for this guy. And I just think the Titans
are just a limited team. They really are. I mean,
they're still in the process of rebuilding the team to
the image of what they want. You know, I'm both
the offensive and defensive side of the football. The secondary.
Malcolm Butler has not lived up to that big money

(01:49:06):
contract on offense. You know, Derrick Henry doesn't really fit
into what they're trying to do there. On offense. I
mean he's a he's a closer, but really Dion Lewis
is more their guy. They're okay at wide receiver, Corey
Davis is stepping up a little bit. You know, he's
actually nineteen yards away from his first thousand yards season.
I just think Houston's a better team. And kudos to
Bill O'Brien for keeping everything together when it looks like

(01:49:27):
it was all going to fall apart. You know, I'm
not I haven't been the huge Bill O'Brien fan through
the years, but I give him credit for the first
time working with the general manager. He gets along with
and Brian Gaine, and they've got the team headed in
the right direction. Drew Brees and the Saints, uh with
I know they played on Thursday night, but you've watched
and covered Drew Brees for a long time in this league.
Are you stunned by how good he is this year?

(01:49:49):
And also Philip Rivers, who we haven't even talked about.
I mean, both of those guys in their thirties upper thirties.
Drew Brees is thirty nine, he's exact same age as me.
Uh I leave that Philip Rivers is thirty seven ish. Um.
Why is it that these guys are both having career
years at the exact same time. I think one of
the reasons is, you know, continuity with the people at

(01:50:12):
the offensive coordinator and this I put it out on
Twitter last night. And you know, Ken wizzen Hunt, I
think is going to re enter the head coaching mix,
believe it or not. I know Clay he was terrible
at the Tennessee Titans. You know his time in Arizona
didn't end well either. But look at the numbers that
are being put up by the Chargers, and I just
think Philip Rivers, Look, he has great weapons at his disposal.
Don't get me wrong. They short up the offensive line

(01:50:32):
and he's a fantastic passer. But I really think that
has something to do with it. That the fact that
you know, look, you you are so comfort he knows
every week what Ken wizen Hunt wants to call, He's
able to get feedback. They just these two work extremely
well together. And it was really pivotal when I talked
to Anthony Lynn about this for him. Now both his
coordinators back and get him signed to three year deals,
Ken Wizon Hunting, Gust Bradley both. And you know, look,

(01:50:52):
the Arizona Cardinals are horrendous, right but with Philip Rivers
did yesterday, you know, and think about it as a
secondary too. With Patrick Peterson, you know, and the guy
completed twenty five straight paths that's open the game of
twenty nine. He was. It's just a performance we've never
seen before in NFL history. So you're right. And as
for Drew Brees again, continuity, Pete, Carmichael, Sean Payton. These
are guys that are so that he's so familiar with.

(01:51:12):
The where New Orleans has made their big deal is
with personnel groupings, and they're they're able now because Drew
is so comfortable in this offense. Austin Carr said that
they had fifty five different personnel groupings ready to go
against the Atlanta Falcons, fifty five different things that they
can put out their unbalanced lines, three receivers, two receivers,
two tight ends, three tight and all these different things

(01:51:34):
that they're able to do to try to keep teams
off balance. And it's one thing trying to contain a
guy like Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, mark Ingram. It's another one.
You're shuffling guys on and off the field so much,
and you're getting caught because of Saints hurry up, or
they put Taysom Hill in the game. You know, throw
a curveball actually like that. It's just you know, And
I think that's why Sean Payton's not gonna win Coach
of the Year. I don't think. I think that's probably
a Matteeneggie thing. If the Bears continue to win and

(01:51:55):
take the division, maybe Frank Reich. But I think this
has been Seawan Payton's best coaching I've ever based upon
what we've seen from Drew Brees and and based upon
the way that He's kept teams off guard. This is
a type of offense. I know the Rams get attention
in the Chiefs as well, but this Saints one is
so unique because of all the different things are doing.
From an next no standpoint, outstanding stuff has always Go
follow him on Twitter at Alex Marvez. Alex will talk

(01:52:18):
to you next week and we'll only have four weeks
left in the season by the time we talked next week.
Don't don't make me cry. Please it's Alex Marvez. Go
follow him on Twitter. Like I said, at Alex Marvez.
Final segment of the show. Up next, get your popcorn.
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(01:53:21):
Urban Meyer leaves Ohio State at the end of this year,
sits out for a year, and then takes over at
usc Tell me it doesn't fit completely his pattern of
what urban Meyer has done historically. Leaves Florida with health issues,
sits out for a year, gets well, goes and takes

(01:53:41):
Ohio State. What did urban Meyer do when he went
to Ohio State? He brought the SEC to Ohio. He
brought the same pattern and same blueprint that worked at Florida,
and he took it to the Big Ten at a
time when the Big Ten was incredibly weak. And since
that time, the Big Ten has risen up some, although

(01:54:04):
they haven't quite gotten to the level of Ohio State.
Ohio State has SEC caliber athletes. They go down south,
they bring up and supplement what Ohio produces, and Ohio
State has the most athletic and skilled team in the
Big Ten. Now doesn't mean necessarily they're gonna play well.
I don't even know necessarily that they're the best coach

(01:54:25):
team in the Big Ten by any stretch of the imagination.
He doesn't have the Urban Urban Meyers is not the
dominance that Nick Saban has established at Alabama, where Nick
Saban's got the best players and he's also got the
best coaches. And by best coaches, I mean they've got
him and everything that he puts into place and works flawlessly.
But if Urban left after this year, set out for

(01:54:48):
a year, what job would be coming open in the
weakest major conference in America U s C The Trojans?
Would the USC advantage of Urban Meyer brought the same platform,
the same blueprint to USC that he used at Florida
and that he used at Ohio State work at a
very high level in the PACKT twelve. Yes, I think

(01:55:10):
it would. I think Urban Meyer, if you follow his
sort of tradition and what he has done, there's at
least that idea that's out there now. What might upset
that apple card of expectation? Here? The beat down that
Ohio State put on Michigan. You don't hear me say
it a lot. I want you to listen closely. I

(01:55:32):
was wrong when I said that I thought Michigan had
cut into the Ohio State dominance in the Big Ten.
Michigan looked slow. They looked unathletic, They looked plotting. They
looked like a traditional Big Ten team does when they
play against an SEC team. When you watched that game

(01:55:53):
on Saturday, it wasn't just that Michigan lost, Because Michigan
could have lost seventeen to fourteen. They could have lost
twenty one to seventeen, and you could have said, you
know what, Michigan is what I thought they were. But
credit to Ohio State. They found a way to win
at the shoe at home. They gritted one out. This

(01:56:14):
wasn't that this was utter domination. This was Ohio State
kicking Michigan right in the teeth and running circles around them.
This was what we saw for so many years when
the SEC teams would go up against Big Ten teams.
This was Michigan being exposed as a fraudulent, slow, unathletic

(01:56:38):
football team in comparison to the teams that are dominating
college football right now. This would have looked the same
against Oklahoma. It would have looked the same against Clemson.
It would have looked the slame, same against Alabama, would
have looked the same against Georgia. All of the best
teams right now in college football have dynamic offensive skill
position players. Not sure about Notre Dame. Notre Dames a

(01:57:00):
good football team. They beat Michigan, but they won a
big ten style football game against Michigan. Remember, Vanderbilt went
on the road and was throwing driving late to try
to beat Notre Dame. Vanderbilt lost by five points against
Notre Dame on the road, and arguably, if Kalijah Ollipskam

(01:57:22):
makes the catch, sorry for the few Vanderbilt fans out there,
if they make the catch that they should have on
fourth down, I think that Vanderbilt would have gone into
Notre Dame and one right there in their stadium. So
I'm not sold on Notre Dame. Necessarily Notre Dames in
the playoff, no need to worry about that. But I'm
not sold that they're on the same caliber of offensive

(01:57:44):
skill as Clemson, Alabama, as as Oklahoma, and as in
theory Ohio State was against Michigan, this was a beat down.
I don't think even that Michigan can call their game
against Ohio State a rivalry right now, he said, it's
a huge drive in Ohio State. Michigan's a huge right downa.

(01:58:06):
It was a huge rivalry in the nineteen hundreds, It
ain't been a huge rivalry in the two thousands. And
I think you have to judge rivals based on how
they do over a twenty year period. And right now,
over the last fifteen years, do you know how many
times Michigan has beating Ohio State one time? Do you
know who was the coach when Michigan beat Ohio State

(01:58:28):
by six when they got that one win in the
last fifteen years, Luke Fickle. In the last fifteen years,
Michigan has not beaten a full time Ohio State coach.
The only person they beat was an interim Luke Fickle,
and they only won that game by six points and
they gave up thirty four. This is not a rivalry.

(01:58:52):
Ohio State owns Michigan. Urban Meyer might as well pick
up Jim Harbaugh and put in his front pocket because
he's carrying him around like he's a little brother. Michigan's
rival is there we go, there's the Urban Meyer chap.
It's well deserved today I've been critical of Urban Meyer,

(01:59:13):
but when you hang sixty two on your hated rival,
it ain't a rivalry anymore. Michigan got exposed. Jim Harbaugh
is not close to winning a championship. Ohio State may
not win a championship, but they have an SEC caliber
team and they took it to Michigan, just like the
Big Ten used to get it taken to it back

(01:59:33):
in the day by the SEC. My name is Clay Travis.
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